NationStates Jolt Archive

:: insert comment on the superiority of MY navy ::

My navy isn't something to sneeze at either.

I think that, with regards to population, we should amend it that we adopt our territories' populations for our nation as opposed to using the NS figures, because there's no way we can fit over 100 billion people into a planet and still have all our nations be viable.

Thoughts?

Indeed if you want to limit your population for this you very well can. With all my colonies my population is like 7.5 billion. I just use my Layarteb population 2.6 billion for this...

By the way I thought this was amusing...1776?

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Nation-States/Other/1776-earth2.gif

Indeed if you want to limit your population for this you very well can. With all my colonies my population is like 7.5 billion. I just use my Layarteb population 2.6 billion for this...

Yeah, but is that manageable? When I was calculating my economy, I realized that there was no way I could support a population of 2.125 billion people (my current population)- with agriculture alone I could only feed around 160 million. So unless I'm not running my country well enough, I don't think it's far-fetched for me to say that I don't think anyone else could use their NS populations here too, because it's not manageable.

By the way I thought this was amusing...1776?

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Nation-States/Other/1776-earth2.gif

??? Where'd they get that number from? We haven't hit 1776 posts yet. Besides- if you ask me- if you really want to make a tie to American history, it should be 1783, when the British actually left the US.

??? Where'd they get that number from? We haven't hit 1776 posts yet. Besides- if you ask me- if you really want to make a tie to American history, it should be 1783, when the British actually left the US.People delete their posts, but the front page still records it.

Besides, 1776 is when we told Britain to go **** themselves. '83 was when they took the handy advice.

what nations can I claim or is there none left

People delete their posts, but the front page still records it.

Besides, 1776 is when we told Britain to go **** themselves. '83 was when they took the handy advice.

Yeah, but technically speaking (and I'm a technical person), the US didn't gain its independence until 1783. It's one thing to declare that you're independent, but another to actually uphold it, and 1783 is when that happened.

Yeah, but technically speaking (and I'm a technical person), the US didn't gain its independence until 1783. It's one thing to declare that you're independent, but another to actually uphold it, and 1783 is when that happened.
Well then say the numbers 1776 and 1783. What is more appealing?

"SEVENTEEN-SEVENTY-SIX"

or

"SEVENEEN-EIGHTY-THREE"

Wrong. The US was not free of European presence until after the war of 1812, which is considered the end of the American Revolution.

Colodia: yeah, but that's hardly persuasive :p

Wrong. The US was not free of European presence until after the war of 1812, which is considered the end of the American Revolution.

Article 1 (http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/britian/paris.htm#art1) of the Treaty of Paris (1783) recognized the US as independent from Great Britain, which also brought an end to the American War of Independence (I don't like calling it the "American Revolution" as it was a struggle for independence). With the War "officially" over and in favour of the Americans, it- for me anyway- is considerably more safe to say that is when the US was independent, as that's when the practical independence began.

As for the War of 1812: correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't it begin with the British confiscating an American ship? Regardless, I don't think there were any British troops left in the US (at least what it was in 1812). There were some in Oregon, but that's it.

France was eager to gain land west of the Mississippi, as was England. They had no intention of leaving the fledgling American government alone. Canadians managed a defense when American troops pushed north into Canada. They then marched on the US mainland and reached DC, where they burned down the White House. The Canadians were larger pushed back and suffered heavy losses too. At the time, both the French and English were in Canada, but mostly English.

This ultimately led to the Monroe Doctrine which told Europe to stay out of the Western Hemisphere. The American govt. just wished to be left alone.

France was eager to gain land west of the Mississippi, as was England. They had no intention of leaving the fledgling American government alone. Canadians managed a defense when American troops pushed north into Canada. They then marched on the US mainland and reached DC, where they burned down the White House. The Canadians were larger pushed back and suffered heavy losses too. At the time, both the French and English were in Canada, but mostly English.

This ultimately led to the Monroe Doctrine which told Europe to stay out of the Western Hemisphere. The American govt. just wished to be left alone.

A few things:

-One, I'm aware of the prescence of the British ("England" ceased to be a national name since the 1707 union of Scotland and England) and French in North America, and obviously, I know they were not going to leave the US alone. Still, technically speaking the British and the French recognized the American government after 1783- they may not have liked it, but they still recognized it (though, to my knowledge, France recognized the US in 1776, but since the US was not a French colony this point is moot).

-Yes, the British invaded the US in 1812 (from Canada) and had to stop an American invasion into Canada later on into the war, but the War of 1812 had nothing to do (initially) with a British or American invasion threat. In other words, American independence wasn't directly threatenned prior to 1812, and wasn't until later on in the war. Plus, by this point France sold Louisiana to the US, eliminating any direct French threat to the US in 1812.

Once a nation declares its independence that is largely seen as the date of independence. For us, July 4, 1776, with the Declaration of Independence, is our independence. 1783 is when the British realized we weren't some rag tag bunch of colonists and 1812 was when they basically said, "Well we lost that one..."

New thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8066104#post8066104

Since Gintopar does not exist anymore, can I have Spain and Portugal?

Since Gintopar does not exist anymore, can I have Spain and Portugal?

Can i have the Balearic(sp?) Islands?

Since Gintopar does not exist anymore, can I have Spain and Portugal?

Huh? Gintonpar was online on NationStates 1 day ago, check yourself:
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=gintonpar

Huh? Gintonpar was online on NationStates 1 day ago, check yourself:
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=gintonpar

Yes, but he doesn't RP in II or in Earth II >_>

Any one mind if i take india ?

Any one mind if i take india ?

I own it :D

WEll, except for the southern two provinces.

Hmm the maps need updateing then

Hmm the maps need updateing then

Map of Earth II India (http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Nation-States/Earth%20II/india.jpg)

No they don't.

Once a nation declares its independence that is largely seen as the date of independence. For us, July 4, 1776, with the Declaration of Independence, is our independence. 1783 is when the British realized we weren't some rag tag bunch of colonists and 1812 was when they basically said, "Well we lost that one..."

I go from the date the former colonzier recognizes its independence, not from the date it was declared, and that date was 1783. Greece's independence dates from 1829, even though it declared its independence eight years prior.

ooc: I generally go from July 4th, 1776 when it comes to America. It's the same here in Norway. We use May 17th, 1814 as our national date just like you Americans use July 4th, because that was when we got our constitution signed (we had been under Danish rule for 500 years, then a few months after the signing of the constitution, the Swedes came).

Trouble is that we didn't get independence from Sweden untill June 7th, 1905 (100 years ago! Partytime in Norway this year!).........

well now i dont know whats not claimed for all i know the entier world is clamed so can i invade you ?
im planing a 2050 invasion ...

well now i dont know whats not claimed for all i know the entier world is clamed so can i invade you ?
im planing a 2050 invasion ...

Um.

Earth II is modern-tech (as in from 2005-2020 ish).

Also, I have alot of allies(The Roman Confederacy), so invading me would be t3h sux0rz.

well now i dont know whats not claimed for all i know the entier world is clamed so can i invade you ?
im planing a 2050 invasion ...

There are some pacific islands still up for grabs...

ooc: I generally go from July 4th, 1776 when it comes to America. It's the same here in Norway. We use May 17th, 1814 as our national date just like you Americans use July 4th, because that was when we got our constitution signed (we had been under Danish rule for 500 years, then a few months after the signing of the constitution, the Swedes came).

Trouble is that we didn't get independence from Sweden untill June 7th, 1905 (100 years ago! Partytime in Norway this year!).........

OOC: Ah yes, the good ole' Swedish Empire.

Completely devastated the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, it did. Sure, we (I'm saying we because my ancestors were Polish) won, but the Swedes killed too many of our people. And then our allies turned on us.

Sad, isn't it?

OOC: Ah yes, the good ole' Swedish Empire.

Completely devastated the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, it did. Sure, we (I'm saying we because my ancestors were Polish) won, but the Swedes killed too many of our people. And then our allies turned on us.

Sad, isn't it?

Yup. But we wooped their a** in the Nordic Wars in 1718. Took a lot of land and stuff. Crushed their fleet.

But there's no bad blood between Norway and Sweden. Hell, they saved 50 000 Norwegian lives during WW2 while the Germans occupied us. Those 50 000 fled to Sweden because they were wanted by the Germans because they were
1. Resistance fighters
2. Jewes
3. Commies
4. Just people the Germans didn't like

I know but im asking if any one would go post mod tech .. ive been wanting to test mine

I know but im asking if any one would go post mod tech .. ive been wanting to test mine

Try to go on regular NS Earth.

Or use them while conquering some un-claimed territory, like in the Pacific.

Yup. But we wooped their a** in the Nordic Wars in 1718. Took a lot of land and stuff. Crushed their fleet.

But there's no bad blood between Norway and Sweden. Hell, they saved 50 000 Norwegian lives during WW2 while the Germans occupied us. Those 50 000 fled to Sweden because they were wanted by the Germans because they were
1. Resistance fighters
2. Jewes
3. Commies
4. Just people the Germans didn't like

True.

But the Swedes conquered you again in 1814 :D

Oh, and here's some information on the Great Northen War. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_War)

Because since we're talking about Sweden, this was a big part of its history.

True.

But the Swedes conquered you again in 1814 :D

Oh, and here's some information on the Great Northen War. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_War)

Because since we're talking about Sweden, this was a big part of its history.

True, but Karl Johan sent 40 000 well-trained troops to get Norway.We didn't have even half that number, and the Norwegian Army wasn't too well trained either. I know this because in the Ancient History class in High School we recently had a project on 1814. It's really big in Norway. Here's a picture of the May 17th Parade in Oslo (the capitol of Norway).
http://www.sidene.no/17mai/images/barnetog.jpg

As you see, no military parade, just the various schools and organisations, sport clubs and politicians walking in the parade with a lot of flags. That is a symbol of how important May 17th, 1814 is to the Norwegians.

Yerffej no longer exists.

I wish to announce my claim to North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia.

True, but Karl Johan sent 40 000 well-trained troops to get Norway.We didn't have even half that number, and the Norwegian Army wasn't too well trained either. I know this because in the Ancient History class in High School we recently had a project on 1814. It's really big in Norway. Here's a picture of the May 17th Parade in Oslo (the capitol of Norway).
http://www.sidene.no/17mai/images/barnetog.jpg

As you see, no military parade, just the various schools and organisations, sport clubs and politicians walking in the parade with a lot of flags. That is a symbol of how important May 17th, 1814 is to the Norwegians.

Hippies :D

(j/k)

I am willing to trade Mozambique, my land in In India, My half of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bhutan for Northern Algeria, Northern Morrocco, Northern Libya, Sardinia, the Balearic Islands, Southern Spain, and Western Sicily.

Basically, this : http://www.freewebs.com/thelightningstar/Wanted%20Claims.PNG

I AM willing to negotiate(as in the area I get, what You get, rights of passage etc...)

TLS, if you do, can i snatch whats yours in Tamil Nadu?

TLS, if you do, can i snatch whats yours in Tamil Nadu?

If no one wants it from a trade, be my guest.

The High Sultan would like to issue the following official response:
yay! :D

new thread The Sultan Has Cancer (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=393518)

RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRRR

I just got off 11 hours of work and I am so hyper right now...This and severe ADD does NOT help!!!

Gimme like a hour to settle down and I'll catch up...need hardcore fast heavy techno to calm my insanely fast brain right now...

RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

I just got off 11 hours of work and I am so hyper right now...This and severe ADD does NOT help!!!

Gimme like a hour to settle down and I'll catch up...need hardcore fast heavy techno to calm my insanely fast brain right now...

Hmmmm... Layarteb isn't thinking correctly right now...think of the possibilities...

Can I have Africa-Eurasia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa-Eurasia) please?

I am willing to trade Mozambique, my land in In India, My half of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bhutan for Northern Algeria, Northern Morrocco, Northern Libya, Sardinia, the Balearic Islands, Southern Spain, and Western Sicily.

Basically, this : http://www.freewebs.com/thelightningstar/Wanted%20Claims.PNG

I AM willing to negotiate(as in the area I get, what You get, rights of passage etc...)

I'm willing to sell Western Sicily to you, but it's gonna cost you. 500 billion for Western Sicily + free passage thru the Gibraltar for all my ships, military base(s) and embassy/consulate rights in your country.

I'm willing to sell Western Sicily to you, but it's gonna cost you. 500 billion for Western Sicily + free passage thru the Gibraltar for all my ships, military base(s) and embassy/consulate rights in your country.

Ok.

And is there anyway you would accept the provinces of Punjab in both India AND Pakistan instead of 500 billion?

Oh, and for security reasons, I can't let you put an Uber-lot of bases all over my country. Let's say... 5?(debatable)

Ok.

And is there anyway you would accept the provinces of Punjab in both India AND Pakistan instead of 500 billion?

Oh, and for security reasons, I can't let you put an Uber-lot of bases all over my country. Let's say... 5?(debatable)

No, I have no wish for the provinces. The money will be sufficient. It will be used for the reconstruction of what left I have in Sicily and for constructing embassies and military bases.

I was thinking to maintain the Cottish military base in Palermo (home base of he Mediterranian fleets), perhaps a base in Sfax (Tunisia), one near Gibraltar (doesn't matter whether it's on the Spanish or the Algerian side), and a few more elsewhere. 5 will be sufficient.

No, I have no wish for the provinces. The money will be sufficient. It will be used for the reconstruction of what left I have in Sicily and for constructing embassies and military bases.

I was thinking to maintain the Cottish military base in Palermo (home base of he Mediterranian fleets), perhaps a base in Sfax (Tunisia), one near Gibraltar (doesn't matter whether it's on the Spanish or the Algerian side), and a few more elsewhere. 5 will be sufficient.

Deal.

Oh, and you'll have to wait for anything outside of Tunisia or West Sicily. I don't control Gibraltar.

Yet :D

Deal.

Oh, and you'll have to wait for anything outside of Tunisia or West Sicily. I don't control Gibraltar.

Yet :D

When you do...

Layarteb, please transfer western Sicily to TLS once he wires the 500 billion he owes me.

When you do...

Layarteb, please transfer western Sicily to TLS once he wires the 500 billion he owes me.

Wired.

You seem to make alot of money selling provinces to me.

Just like you sold Tunisia...

You seem to make alot of money selling provinces to me.

Just like you sold Tunisia...

I know. You are making Cotland rich. Thanks mate.

Layarteb, I hand control of Western Sicily over to TLS. A RP will be posted shortly.

I know. You are making Cotland rich. Thanks mate.

Layarteb, I hand control of Western Sicily over to TLS. A RP will be posted shortly.

We dun need an RP. It's REALLY small area of land.

We dun need an RP. It's REALLY small area of land.

Well, what does it matter. I don't really have anything better to do..

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8074260#post8074260

I am posting for The Island of Rose since he is having some forum problems.

TIOR claimed Algeria when nobody had claims over it and started an RP invading it. He does not wish to hand over the part of Algeria TLS wants. He also claims Spain because the person owning it is not active RP wise. And he also claims Morocco because the person that owns isn't even active RP wise. He did this before TLS posted his claims.

I am posting for The Island of Rose since he is having some forum problems.

TIOR claimed Algeria when nobody had claims over it and started an RP invading it. He does not wish to hand over the part of Algeria TLS wants. He also claims Spain because the person owning it is not active RP wise. And he also claims Morocco because the person that owns isn't even active RP wise. He did this before TLS posted his claims.

I am willing to buy those territories from him.

And if not, I will get them, one way or another.

Also, I claimed the Balearic Islands at nearly the same time as TIOR.

And when did he claim Morocco?

Also, I am willing to give him rights of passage, military instalations, etc.

And while I'm not looking for a war(when I handed him Sardinia we agreed to a non-agression treaty), I REALLY need those territories.

Not to mention I will give him some of the South Asia and Mozambique land.

Sorry my mistake. He wants to claim Morocco and he also wants to keep his territories.

Sorry my mistake. He wants to claim Morocco and he also wants to keep his territories.

So....

He doesn't want Spain, but he's not even willing to negotiate transferring even a fraction of the land I want?

Talk about stubborn.

And has he seen my extensive claims in South Asia? South Asia is very nice this time of year...

Oh! And Mozambique! He'd looooooove Mozambique.

And who can forget that lovable Palau?

So....

He doesn't want Spain, but he's not even willing to negotiate transferring even a fraction of the land I want?

Talk about stubborn.

And has he seen my extensive claims in South Asia? South Asia is very nice this time of year...

Oh! And Mozambique! He'd looooooove Mozambique.

And who can forget that lovable Palau?

I do want Spain and Morroco. And I'm willing to buy it for alot of money.

Even though I claimed Spain first, so I just want Morroco. How much?! And I also claim Portugal.

I do want Spain and Morroco. And I'm willing to buy it for alot of money.

Even though I claimed Spain first, so I just want Morroco. How much?! And I also claim Portugal.

Is there any land in those countries you don't want?

Like the Balearic Islands?

Or the eastern half of northern Algeria?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Thelightningstar/WantedClaims2.png

And I am serious man. I will trade almost anything for these territories.

Anything(exept for my nation, of course :D)

You can keep the Baelric Islands. I just want Spain, Portugal, Morroco, and Algeria.

You can keep the Baelric Islands. I just want Spain, Portugal, Morroco, and Algeria.

Hmmm. You drive a tough deal.

What about the other claims on my map?(south-east Spain, north-east Algeria, that itty-bit of Morocco)

I mean, the only MAJOR city that would be not under your control would be Cartagena. You would still have all these other uber cities(including Algiers)

I'll give you 250 Billion dollars

I'll give you 250 Billion dollars

What if...

I pay you 1 trillion USD, give you the India Provinces of Gujarat, Rajasthan, Maharashtra(which includes Mumbai, which is also knwn as Bombay), Goa, and Madhya Pradesh.

And in return, I get that small part of Algeria, that minor part of Spain, the Balearic Islands, and that itty-bitty part of Morocco.

You also get passage through my territories, 15 military bases all over my country, a joint-defence pact, and an embassy in Carthage and Consulates in Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi, Marsala, Cartagena, and Cagilia.

I'll give you two trillion, plus passage, an Embassy in each of my lands, a NAP and a Free Trade Agreement.

However, you get the payment in stages.

When I get the north-east of Algeria, you get: 500 Billion, Goa, and Maharashtra, as well as 5 military bases, an Embassy in Carthage, and a Consulate in Lahore.

When you recieve Spain and I get the south-east, you get: Madhya Pradesh, 200 billion, 3 bases, and consulates in Karachi, Islamabad, Marsala, and Cartagena.

When I receve the Balearic Islands, you get: Gujarat, 100 billion, 4 bases, and a consulate in Cagalia.

When I recieve that tinsey bit of Morocco, you get: Rajasthan, 200 billion, 3 bases, and free travel throughout my territorial waters.

I'll give you two trillion, plus passage, an Embassy in each of my lands, a NAP and a Free Trade Agreement.

Hmmm..

Ok, i give you five Trillion.

When I get the north-east of Algeria, you get: 2 trillion, Goa, and Maharashtra, as well as 5 military bases, an Embassy in Carthage, and a Consulate in Lahore.

When you recieve Spain and I get the south-east, you get: Madhya Pradesh, 1.5 trillion, 3 bases, and consulates in Karachi, Islamabad, Marsala, and Cartagena.

When I receve the Balearic Islands, you get: Gujarat, 750 billion, 4 bases, and a consulate in Cagalia.

When I recieve that tinsey bit of Morocco, you get: Rajasthan, 750 billion, 3 bases, and free travel throughout my territorial waters.

900 Billion once a year. You get the 900 billion for this year if you agree. On the third year you get the final 200 Billion.

900 Billion once a year. You get the 900 billion for this year if you agree. On the third year you get the final 200 Billion.

Argh!

You get 10 trillion USD, all of Lightning Starian India except for Jammu & Kashmir, Bangladesh, free trade, joint defence initiative, free movement, AND unlimited Ice Cream for your leader.

Argh!

You get 10 trillion USD, all of Lightning Starian India except for Jammu & Kashmir, Bangladesh, free trade, joint defence initiative, free movement, AND unlimited Ice Cream for your leader.

Let's see, I claimed Spain first thus I own it.

I claimed Algeria first, thus I own it.

I claimed Portugal first, thus I own it.

All that's left for me to get is Morroco. I'll tell ya what, let's split Morroco in two. I get the Northern half, you get the southern half. You keep the Baileric Islands or whatever. Also, you can have a base in each of my Protecterates and TIoR and the offer for 2 trillion still stands.

And free trade, NAP, and free pizza for your leader.

Let's see, I claimed Spain first thus I own it.

I claimed Algeria first, thus I own it.

I claimed Portugal first, thus I own it.

All that's left for me to get is Morroco. I'll tell ya what, let's split Morroco in two. I get the Northern half, you get the southern half. You keep the Baileric Islands or whatever. Also, you can have a base in each of my Protecterates and TIoR and the offer for 2 trillion still stands.

And free trade, NAP, and free pizza for your leader.

Deal.

Oh, and I'll throw in Mozambique if you'd like.

Of course, this doesn't mean i'll stop trying to get Numidia(north-east Algeria) and Souht-east Spain, but I think this is good for the moment..

Call me slow, but don't Gintonpar already own Spain and Portugal?

Call me slow, but don't Gintonpar already own Spain and Portugal?

Yes.

But TIOR is working on getting the stuffz0rz from him.

Thats why I wanted that area of Algeria first. Because TIOR already has it!

Yes.

But TIOR is working on getting the stuffz0rz from him.

Thats why I wanted that area of Algeria first. Because TIOR already has it!

Oh. OK. In that case.. go for it.

ok, whoever owns that little bit of tamil nadu now (TIOR?) how much would it cost?

ok, whoever owns that little bit of tamil nadu now (TIOR?) how much would it cost?

Uh.

I still own it. We never traded land :/

We just decided how we would divide Morocco.

Deal.

Oh, and I'll throw in Mozambique if you'd like.

Of course, this doesn't mean i'll stop trying to get Numidia(north-east Algeria) and Souht-east Spain, but I think this is good for the moment..

Wonderful, and you can keep Mozambique.

But if you try invading any of my land, I won't be happy. :)

Wonderful, and you can keep Mozambique.

But if you try invading any of my land, I won't be happy. :)

Same here ;)

The Lightning Star: RP added. Gintonpar never went bye bye so your claim of the Balearic Islands is invalid. Disinformation from elsewhere (below). Granzi still exists as well so no claiming his land.

The Island of Rose: Algeria RP added. Claim verified. Map updated. Spain & Portugal, no. Gintonpar still exists. Stop lying and trying to get land. I hate dishonesty and I will take a giant s*** on anyone who practics it in this place (in the sense of getting more land). Lie to each other I don't care thats politics but lying about that isn't cool. Granzi still exists as well so no claiming his land.

The Fedral Union: Insert sarcastic comment here...

Colodia: Lands are yours.

Hmm.

Ok Layarteb.

But a question:

If both of them almost never RP, how am I to get their land? I can't invade, due to the fact that they are never on, and I can't trade...due to the fact that they are never on.

From what I know Granzi is being overloaded with schoolwork and should become more active in around 2 weeks time.

Also any invasion of his land will be met with immediate retalitory strikes against the attacking nation blah blah blah blah blah boom boom. (long day)

Um, does anyone know if Hogsweat has done something to Mecca?

Um, does anyone know if Hogsweat has done something to Mecca?
He better treat it like the bloody holy city it is. That's all I know.

Any different, full warfare would be implemented. Grr...

Not really kidding either.

BTW Layarteb, could I have a breakdown of how much land I have?

Hmm.

Ok Layarteb.

But a question:

If both of them almost never RP, how am I to get their land? I can't invade, due to the fact that they are never on, and I can't trade...due to the fact that they are never on.

Therein why I want to establish Decree 12. But until that's finalized unless you get them to sell it you can't do much without their permission, unless they go inactive for 21 days or 28 days.

BTW Layarteb, could I have a breakdown of how much land I have?

Brazil (north) 1,643,244.00
California (south) 80,497.08
Colombia 439,735.60
Costa Rica 19,729.82
Florida 65,811.50
Galapagos Islands 17,374.60
Georgia (US) 59,489.46
Kentucky 41,602.12
Maryland 12,417.05
Nicaragua 49,997.91
North Carolina 53,864.73
Panama 30,193.19
South Carolina 32,032.97
Tennessee 42,180.50
Virginia 42,804.06
Washington D.C. 6.95
Total 2,630,981.54

He better treat it like the bloody holy city it is. That's all I know.

Any different, full warfare would be implemented. Grr...

Not really kidding either.

What happened to Hogsy? He was really active and then dropped to nadda...

Some thoughts on Decree 12. Let me know what you guys think.


Decree 12: Realizing that Earth II is a phenominally active Earth, it is imperative that all nation-states within this planet play a vital role. Mimicking real-life politics, one can easily see that nations, even small ones, play vital roles. In order to establish such as a coherence here it is vital that we too adopt a policy of activity. Insomuch as Earth II will be concerned, nations larger than 25,000 square miles must be active participants. One can simply look at real life situations and see that such small actors as South Korea, Taiwan, Kuwait, Bahrain, etc. are all relatively tiny countries yet they play highly importance roles. Therefore, if nations possessing more than 25,000 square miles are not active inside of Earth II then their territory will be open for claiming without their consent but subject to some limits. The concept of "Claim Land & Run Away" shall not be the staple point of Earth II. There are many nations that do not have a stake in a claim in Earth II but who very much want to and will be active if they could claim land. Therefore it is the necessary action that all nations which do not maintain a minimal level of Earth II activity be removed against their will if they do not choose to do so on their own. The limits imposed upon the claiming of land that is held by inactive players will be of the following. First and foremost, the claiming MUST be done with an RP, no questions asked. Secondly, nations who are not part of Earth II must RP as well but as an insurgent or rebel force. And lastly, the nations whose land is being attacked can defend themselves but only on the pledge that they will continue to be active in Earth II. If said nations abandon their pledge then they will be removed and their land open for anyone. Inactivity will be defined loosely. Nations who are a part of Earth II and were never involved within a single RP or action of Earth II will be considered inactive. Nations who in the past were active but have since become less active or even not active at all will be considered "on the fence." This means that if their nations goes to 14 days of NS inactivity, rather than 21, their nations will be open for the taking without their consent but MUST BE DONE SO WITH AN RP. A list will be maintained of members who were never active in Earth II and those who were active at one point but have since become inactive.

In addition a modification to the Land-Population Matrix to include that if you have under 100 million people you are limited to under 50,000 square miles but the 50,000 square mile buffer will not apply nor will the population buffer.

This will be the new matrix.


Land-Population Matrix


under 50k sq. mi. = population non-important°
50k to 500k sq. mi. = population of minimally 101m
500k to 1.0m = population of minimally 500m
1.0m to 2.0m = population of minimally 1.0b
2.0m to 3.0m = population of minimally 2.0b
3.0m to 4.0m = population of minimally 3.0b



° = buffers do not apply

OOC: Despite my best intentions, I'll be unable to stay within Earth II. I was hoping to come up with some kind of grand imperial-style RP; however, I've invested a lot of time and effort in the Modern World RP group. I've realised that I can't stay in both, so it's best if I leave the one where my absence will cause less of an impact.

Good luck to you guys, and have fun.

OOC: Despite my best intentions, I'll be unable to stay within Earth II. I was hoping to come up with some kind of grand imperial-style RP; however, I've invested a lot of time and effort in the Modern World RP group. I've realised that I can't stay in both, so it's best if I leave the one where my absence will cause less of an impact.

Good luck to you guys, and have fun.

Respectful actions like that cannot be considered bad. If such is then such is. We're sorry to see you go and hope that in the future you can return to us and make an impact. You are welcome back at any time in the future.

As for Decree 12, I agree with it.
As for the new population matrix, I agree with it.

Also, I would really like to have Myanmar.. Unfortunately, I 'only' have a population of 464 million... :( If someone claim it, can I buy it later then? Please? I'll RP for it if you wish...

The Island of Rose: Algeria RP added. Claim verified. Map updated. Spain & Portugal, no. Gintonpar still exists. Stop lying and trying to get land. I hate dishonesty and I will take a giant s*** on anyone who practics it in this place (in the sense of getting more land). Lie to each other I don't care thats politics but lying about that isn't cool. Granzi still exists as well so no claiming his land.

Whoa whoa whoa. I only thought that new decree of yours went into affect. I am not a liar. If it seems like that sorry, I just thought that new decree on inactivity went on effect :(

Anyone willing to give up a bit of land in Europe for some good cash? C'mon...I got money! Preferably in mainland Europe...

Decrees go into effect when they were on the first post.

First and foremost I agree with the new land matrix, and agree with the decree as written. I also would like to pick up Japan since its owner is vacating Earth II, if Layarteb is not putting the property on the shelf for a possible return of the owner? I will RP the acquisition of it if its agreeable with the higher powers that I can claim it.

According to my calculations I have Montana (147,046), Eastern Egypt (313,000) ,and if adding Japan (142,000) total land would be (602,046) well under the land to population matrix provided (my population 730+million).

Thanks for consideration.

-Hawdawg

Baltic Karelia goes to Defcon 4 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=394082)

We are scanning the scene
in the city tonight
We are looking for you
to start up a fight
There is an evil feeling
in our brains
But it is nothing new
you know it drives us insane


In light of that I would like to say that when/if the decree goes into effect I'll let everyone know what's available.

I should mention that, until Thursday, my participation in RP's may be scant (I have another essay to write). I may still be quite active even before Thursday, but I can't guarantee it. After Thursday I'll return back to active service.

It's cool. I'll keep off Maya for the time being ;).

Just a few questions about Decree 12.

First, you say there will be a list of inactive nations. How often will that be updated? Would that not require quite a bit of vigilance on the part of Layarteb? Certainly there will be problems with people trying to claim RL nations of members who have become active before the list has been updated. It seems like this would be a difficult undertaking.

Also, I don't think that necessarily it should be size of country that matters when it comes to importance. My territory, French Guiana is 91,000 sqare km, roughly 56,500 square miles. This is greater than the activity limit, yet in RL French Guiana is not all involved in national politics. From an economic standpoint, they are helpless. They depend on importing food and energy. Their exports include shrimp, timber and rum. They are in no way important or active in world politics. My point is, size should not be the [only] factor at which land is considered prominant in politics.

Furthermore, I think that Decree 12 will be heavily abused, and if it remains as is, should be at least held for proper use, or maybe have nations get an approval from Layarteb or another important member before RPing an invasion.

Yo, Layarteb, I'd like to ask you to review Dublin Commune once Decree 12 goes into effect. I've had difficulty finding any rp's he has participated in and I'd be very interested in taking Ireland.

That's right, I'm a land-whore.

Just a few questions about Decree 12.

First, you say there will be a list of inactive nations. How often will that be updated? Would that not require quite a bit of vigilance on the part of Layarteb? Certainly there will be problems with people trying to claim RL nations of members who have become active before the list has been updated. It seems like this would be a difficult undertaking.

Also, I don't think that necessarily it should be size of country that matters when it comes to importance. My territory, French Guiana is 91,000 sqare km, roughly 56,500 square miles. This is greater than the activity limit, yet in RL French Guiana is not all involved in national politics. From an economic standpoint, they are helpless. They depend on importing food and energy. Their exports include shrimp, timber and rum. They are in no way important or active in world politics. My point is, size should not be the [only] factor at which land is considered prominant in politics.

Furthermore, I think that Decree 12 will be heavily abused, and if it remains as is, should be at least held for proper use, or maybe have nations get an approval from Layarteb or another important member before RPing an invasion.

Indeed a valid point. Perhaps size is non-consequential because he is right, what role does French Guyana play? Yet Taiwan is much smaller and plays an impressive role. Kuwait is tiny but look at the role it plays, same goes for Qatar, Bahrain, and Chechnya.

What's happening with Hogsweat? If he don't want to RP in Earth II anymore, I'd be more then happy to take over his Russian territories once I jump over 490 million (I'm at 469 million right now)...

Oh! And if Hogsweat doesn't wanna RP anymore, I'll take over his Middle East paces and get rid of my Indian ones(or at least Makkah(Mecca), Al-Madina(Medina), and everything In between. Baisically, the Holy Land.

Of course, I am already trying to buy them from him...)

Since so many people have decided to show their ownership of various canals and channels, I'll do the same. I present: The Suez Canal (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8094308) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8094308)

Any nation wishing to pass must subject to the terms listed in the thread. It's pretty straight-forward, so it shouldn't be a big problem for most nations.

: : : All members of the Roman Confederacy : : :

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8094658&postcount=45

The Empire establishes the Imperial Mediterreanean Alliance (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=394264)

Have fun.

: : : All members of the Roman Confederacy : : :

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8094658&postcount=45

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What does this have to do with me?

I don't know whats going on...

Cotland you are going to have to clue us in on what is going on in Belarus (I read the post and don't really have a handle on the situation yet). If Confederacy help is needed it needs to be brought up in the Confederacy Thread.

-Hawdawg

Changes coming to French Guiana!!!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8096248#post8096248

I'm going to cleans the RP list soon (basically putting whats inactive on the inactive list). If anyone can share information that would make it easier please do. If so just do this:

Copy & Paste the title
List the status

Thanks!!!

Please let only the thread owners or those who are capable of making a decision post, I don't want any miscommunications...

PS: At this point I'll add the latest RPs :).

PPS: Please everyone check the claims list and verify that you have what you should have. If there are errors please do let me know but be forewarned that I might question those errors so back up your citations. If it's legit then you won't get an argument from me.

My thread on the taking of the north american territories has now passed its stage of usefulness. You may remove it.

Just a quick post:

I'll give up Altai (and, if I have to, Tuva and land in the south of my Antarctican claims) to get Yerrfej's old land in Mexico.

Cotland you are going to have to clue us in on what is going on in Belarus (I read the post and don't really have a handle on the situation yet). If Confederacy help is needed it needs to be brought up in the Confederacy Thread.

-Hawdawg

Well, North Germania's been attacked by Aquatio (sp?), and requests Confederacy help. I'll tell him to post in the forums too, but it don't seem that many people visit there...

I'm going to cleans the RP list soon (basically putting whats inactive on the inactive list). If anyone can share information that would make it easier please do. If so just do this:

Copy & Paste the title
List the status

Thanks!!!

Please let only the thread owners or those who are capable of making a decision post, I don't want any miscommunications...

PS: At this point I'll add the latest RPs .

PPS: Please everyone check the claims list and verify that you have what you should have. If there are errors please do let me know but be forewarned that I might question those errors so back up your citations. If it's legit then you won't get an argument from me.

Cotland becomes Empire
Completed
Cotland constructs first oil rig off Gintonpar
Dead

Also, Pushka's propably going to go DEAT in a few days (he said bye bye a long time ago), so this one is also out:

Enemy within
Completed

I finished the essay...now all I have to do is edit it, which isn't a lot of work. :D

Anyway, on more "official" business:

Roman Confederacy members: I've decided to officially open up the nominations for the position of "Chairman" of the Confederacy. Details here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8097178&postcount=167

Please mark your interest in the thread for the Confederacy. Thanks.

EDIT: New thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8097364#post8097364

(Open to everyone)

These two threads are done:

Hawdawg to buy/lease naval bases................

Hawdawg extends diplomatic relations..................

Excellent. Good job keeping current gentlemen (and ladies if there are any). I appreciate it.

We'd wish to claim Chihuanhua, map says it remains unclaimed. Thread for my territories are still underway so this territory will be included into the thread if my claim is accepted.

ITD: I don't know what thread you are talking about, what's the title of it?

RomeW: The Mexican land is yours. I did have to remove those last two places you talked about in order to get them to fit.

Cotland: RPs edited.

Tanuio: The province was claimed a few rows back by RomeW.

PLEASE NOTE THAT I HAVE UPDATED THE RPS, THE MAPS, AND THE CLAIMS.

What would I have to sacrifice to get the unclaimed land in Russia that's in between North Germania, Cotland, Nerotika, Pushka, and the Order of Reptiles(its either that or Nazguul. Those yellows are too much alike)?

Layarteb, when does Decree 12 come into effect?

What would I have to sacrifice to get the unclaimed land in Russia that's in between North Germania, Cotland, Nerotika, Pushka, and the Order of Reptiles(its either that or Nazguul. Those yellows are too much alike)?

You'd have to name the provinces so I could plot exactly what you want with the exact square milage.

Bangladesh 55,598.71
Bhutan 18,146.80
India (part) 1,204,125.24
Mozambique 309,495.60
Pakistan 166,535.00
Palau 180.70
Sardinia (Cagilari) 21.20
Sicily (west) 4,961.41
Sri Lanka 25,332.10
Tunisia 63,170.17
Total 1,847,566.93

That's what you have now.

Layarteb, when does Decree 12 come into effect?

There is no definite date set. It's sort of an estimation, which is probably soon.

There is no definite date set. It's sort of an estimation, which is probably soon.

Ok.

One more thing. Can you please tell me how many square miles I have? I'll give you a cookie...

Ok.

One more thing. Can you please tell me how many square miles I have? I'll give you a cookie...

Bashkortostan Republic 55,444.27
Chuvashia Republic 7,065.67
Egypt (northeast) 23,352.26
Faroe Islands 540.16
Franz Josef Land 6,229.37
French Polynesia 1,608.89
Ivanovo Oblast 9,266.45
Kirov Oblast 46,641.14
Kostroma Oblast 23,166.13
Lakshadweep Islands 12.36
Mari El Republic 8,957.57
Mordovia Republic 10,115.88
Nizhny Novgorod Oblast 29,691.26
Penza Oblast 16,679.61
Perm Oblast 62,008.01
Permyakia Okrug 12,652.57
Pitcairn Islands 18.15
Ryazan Oblast 15,289.65
Samara Oblast 20,695.08
San Marino 23.55
Sicily (east) 4,961.41
Sverdlovsk Oblast 75,212.70
Tambov Oblast 21,313.03
Tatarstan Republic 26,254.95
Udmurtia Republic 16,254.90
Ulyanovsk Oblast 14,401.61
Vladimir Oblast 11,196.96
Vologda Oblast 56,255.08
Yaroslavl' Oblast 13,899.68
Total 589,208.34

You'd have to name the provinces so I could plot exactly what you want with the exact square milage.

Bangladesh 55,598.71
Bhutan 18,146.80
India (part) 1,204,125.24
Mozambique 309,495.60
Pakistan 166,535.00
Palau 180.70
Sardinia (Cagilari) 21.20
Sicily (west) 4,961.41
Sri Lanka 25,332.10
Tunisia 63,170.17
Total 1,847,566.93

That's what you have now.

The problem is...

they aren't full provinces. And ur RL map is TOTALLY different than your map. But I'll try...:

Khantia-Mansia, whats left of Yamalia, and the other part has no name on the map...

I'm so confused!

The problem is...

they aren't full provinces. And ur RL map is TOTALLY different than your map. But I'll try...:

Khantia-Mansia, whats left of Yamalia, and the other part has no name on the map...

I'm so confused!

That's what's left of Krasnodar Kray, which will total all to (when you are done with them) 2,232,229.33 square miles. You got a long way to go to exceed 2 million square miles.

That's what's left of Krasnodar Kray, which will total all to (when you are done with them) 2,232,229.33 square miles. You got a long way to go to exceed 2 million square miles.

WOAH!

Thats JUST that land?

But it looks smaller than what Cotland has...

WOAH!

Thats JUST that land?

But it looks smaller than what Cotland has...

Khantia-Mansia 201,970.00
Krasnoyarsk Krai (part) 60,000.00
Yamalia Okrug (south) 122,692.40

Khantia-Mansia 201,970.00
Krasnoyarsk Krai (part) 60,000.00
Yamalia Okrug (south) 122,692.40

Oooohhh!

You meant If i added those to what I already HAD id have 2,000,000 plus.

What if...

I get rid of Mozambique, Bangladesh, Bhutan, and the Indian Provinces of Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, and Goa?

All you really need to get rid of is Mozambique. That'll put you at 1,922,733.73.

All you really need to get rid of is Mozambique. That'll put you at 1,922,733.73.

Oh. Ok.

Buh bye Mozambique!

Bashkortostan Republic 55,444.27
Chuvashia Republic 7,065.67
Egypt (northeast) 23,352.26
Faroe Islands 540.16
Franz Josef Land 6,229.37
French Polynesia 1,608.89
Ivanovo Oblast 9,266.45
Kirov Oblast 46,641.14
Kostroma Oblast 23,166.13
Lakshadweep Islands 12.36
Mari El Republic 8,957.57
Mordovia Republic 10,115.88
Nizhny Novgorod Oblast 29,691.26
Penza Oblast 16,679.61
Perm Oblast 62,008.01
Permyakia Okrug 12,652.57
Pitcairn Islands 18.15
Ryazan Oblast 15,289.65
Samara Oblast 20,695.08
San Marino 23.55
Sicily (east) 4,961.41
Sverdlovsk Oblast 75,212.70
Tambov Oblast 21,313.03
Tatarstan Republic 26,254.95
Udmurtia Republic 16,254.90
Ulyanovsk Oblast 14,401.61
Vladimir Oblast 11,196.96
Vologda Oblast 56,255.08
Yaroslavl' Oblast 13,899.68
Total 589,208.34

Thanks Layarteb. It's nice to know what I have..

Well, that pretty much wraps up what I had to say today. Now, I'm off to bed. Good night all.

Oh. Ok.

Buh bye Mozambique!

Alright let me do some editing to the maps and claims.

Alright let me do some editing to the maps and claims.

WEEEE!

Now me and Cotland are gonna be NEIGHBORS!

Well, we already were but...

even CLOSER neighbors!

WEEEE!

Now me and Cotland are gonna be NEIGHBORS!

Well, we already were but...

even CLOSER neighbors!

Editimited...

WEEEE!

Now me and Cotland are gonna be NEIGHBORS!

Well, we already were but...

even CLOSER neighbors!

final post:

Emperor Thomas on learning of the new neighbor: Oh sh*t. All available brigades on the border STAT!

j/k with you. It'l probably be fun, as long as you don't send any crazy cossacks after me. Good night and plesant dreams to you sir.

RomeW: The Mexican land is yours. I did have to remove those last two places you talked about in order to get them to fit.

Thanks.

EDIT- Layarteb, I'm still interested in finishing my SW US thread.

Thanks.

EDIT- Layarteb, I'm still interested in finishing my SW US thread.

Isn't it?

Isn't it?

Not really. I mean, I still have the rest of Texas (including the capital, Austin), Arizona, Coahuila and Chihuahua to capture. Dallas is toast but I still have a long way to go.

For personal reasons I'll RP Houston myself, but the rest of Texas still needs to be taken care of.

Time to watch the State of the Union.

Watching Mr. Dumb-Dumb-Head (who I voted for) give the State of the Union address.

40 minute speech, 300 applause interruptions...if only they didn't clap after every paragraph!!!

Time to watch the State of the Union.

Watching Mr. Dumb-Dumb-Head (who I voted for) give the State of the Union address.

40 minute speech, 300 applause interruptions...if only they didn't clap after every paragraph!!!

Would you like to help me finish everything off?

Would you like to help me finish everything off?

Sure. Has the word of the decimation of Dallas spread through the other ranks? Because if so I may do what the Chechens did.

Sure. Has the word of the decimation of Dallas spread through the other ranks?

My troops or yours?

My troops or yours?

The rebels elsewhere in the state.

So, question.

binthor's gone. He'll be gone for about two months. Itt's cause his dad had a heart attack and I think we all understand and sympathize. However, switching to the role as a heartless bastard, I need to know. What will happen?

What happens now? I've got a navy sitting on Cuba's doorstep waiting for an invasion that will take at least two months to even start again. I've got other RPs popping up left and right. I've got an enemy who won't be able to reply to me for a long while. What happens now? Do I get Cuba? Did nothing ever happen? Is time frozen and fast forwarded to that point, whenever Binthor gets back?

just wanted to let you all know that i wont be on as much, I'll still post sometimes, kinda busy right now

So, question.

binthor's gone. He'll be gone for about two months. Itt's cause his dad had a heart attack and I think we all understand and sympathize. However, switching to the role as a heartless bastard, I need to know. What will happen?

What happens now? I've got a navy sitting on Cuba's doorstep waiting for an invasion that will take at least two months to even start again. I've got other RPs popping up left and right. I've got an enemy who won't be able to reply to me for a long while. What happens now? Do I get Cuba? Did nothing ever happen? Is time frozen and fast forwarded to that point, whenever Binthor gets back?

I think we should probably make an amendment to the rules.

Something along the lines of:If you are facing an RL Crisis and inform Layarteb, your territories will automatically be protected from attack or something like that.

I'd say that qualifies as a logical excuse for taking a leave of absence and I really doubt people will disagree with that one. He is most certainly going through hell in a handbasket. I lost my father in August '03 from cancer so excuse me if I sympathize a little with him. As far as the RP I can offer no suggestions. I understand it completely throws a monkey wrench into what you were planning and what you wanted and that certainly it isn't fair to you at all. For that I can offer no suggestions. Perhaps Binthor will let someone RP in his proxy? That's up to him. Honestly I stopped paying attention to that conflict some time ago.

I think we should probably make an amendment to the rules.

Something along the lines of:If you are facing an RL Crisis and inform Layarteb, your territories will automatically be protected from attack or something like that.

That's a given...

The rebels elsewhere in the state.

Well, I'm sure they'd hear about it- you don't utterly destroy one of the biggest cities in the state and no one knows about it. It'd be through word-of-mouth though (as the rest of the state is still in anarchy), so the word would be garbled.

I have thought about having a "Confederation of Austin" in central Texas, but I'm not sure what that would entail right now.

Okay I'll put that thread back on active. Let me know what cities you want. Beware though I read that Chechnya book front to cover and I'm going to do some of that stuff :).

I'd say that qualifies as a logical excuse for taking a leave of absence and I really doubt people will disagree with that one. He is most certainly going through hell in a handbasket. I lost my father in August '03 from cancer so excuse me if I sympathize a little with him. As far as the RP I can offer no suggestions. I understand it completely throws a monkey wrench into what you were planning and what you wanted and that certainly it isn't fair to you at all. For that I can offer no suggestions. Perhaps Binthor will let someone RP in his proxy? That's up to him. Honestly I stopped paying attention to that conflict some time ago.

Did I say i disagree? What I'm concerned about is the RP. I don't give a wooden nickel about anything else pertaining to Binthor on E2. Just the status of the Rp. Is it frozen, conceded, fought by proxy, what?

Did I say i disagree? What I'm concerned about is the RP. I don't give a wooden nickel about anything else pertaining to Binthor on E2. Just the status of the Rp. Is it frozen, conceded, fought by proxy, what?

That wasn't directed just to you. It was directed to everyone.

Okay I'll put that thread back on active. Let me know what cities you want. Beware though I read that Chechnya book front to cover and I'm going to do some of that stuff :).

Well, I have no problems bombing everything if I have to. Just to warn you...

Though I think this time I should make maps, as that's what did me in before.

Well, I have no problems bombing everything if I have to. Just to warn you...

Though I think this time I should make maps, as that's what did me in before.

Now that I would like. I ask you, how often are your soldiers on the front lines paid?

A thought. Should we perhaps state that this is World War I for EII (i.e. the going-ons in Europe with Aeq & NG, the stuff in the Carribean, Mexico, N.A., Africa)?

Uhm, since I didn't get a response from Layarteb (posted several pages back) I will ask again. Is it alright for me to claim Japan as a territory since it stands vacant? I am fully prepared to RP for it. I have been fairly active within the Earth II realm and would like a territorial claim Asia. Just let me know if I can do this.

-Hawdawg

A thought. Should we perhaps state that this is World War I for EII (i.e. the going-ons in Europe with Aeq & NG, the stuff in the Carribean, Mexico, N.A., Africa)?

Well...

Considering that it's not international and quite contained, I don't think so. I'd think of a "World" War as just that- a "world war".

Now that I would like. I ask you, how often are your soldiers on the front lines paid?

Quite often. Because of who we are there's great pride in being in the Army. I just have an aversion to use them...

Perhaps we should rename the war after its over. Anyhow. Haw, yeah its free land up for grabs. I think you can fit it in right?

According to my math, if I add Japan to Montana and W. Egypt, I would have a total area of 602,046 sq. miles, with a population of 758 million people. That is under the radar if I ran the numbers right.

-Hawdawg

According to my math, if I add Japan to Montana and W. Egypt, I would have a total area of 602,046 sq. miles, with a population of 758 million people. That is under the radar if I ran the numbers right.

-Hawdawg

IF you did yes. I don't feel like doing math at this hour. Maybe tomorrow I'll try it.

Yeah, someone should pass a law that says math should only be done in the daylight hours.

No hurry when you get a chance to check just let me know and I will post a RP for it.


-Hawdawg

Yeah, someone should pass a law that says math should only be done in the daylight hours.

No hurry when you get a chance to check just let me know and I will post a RP for it.


-Hawdawg

668,083.60 with Japan.

Post 1912: What happened in 1912? The Titanic sunk.

See the pattern. For every post # you do, post something that happened that year. Fun game?

1913: Second Balkan War with Turkey.

1914: The assassination in Sarajevo started WW I.

I didn't have anything other to say, I just continued the game. :)

As we speak of WWI, I don't think that this ongoing war qualifies as WWI for Earth II. To be called a world war we need more participating countries, and more fronts.

1914: The assassination in Sarajevo started WW I.

I didn't have anything other to say, I just continued the game. :)

As we speak of WWI, I don't think that this ongoing war qualifies as WWI for Earth II. To be called a world war we need more participating countries, and more fronts.

...and it's not "worldly" in scope.

Game:

1915: Battle of Ypres

Can I claim the African territories west of Madagascar(Kenya? The big white space.) and the white spot southeast of Egypt.
Sorry, need to bursh up on my geography
1916: Battle of Verdun

Can I claim the African territories west of Madagascar(Kenya? The big white space.) and the white spot southeast of Egypt.
Sorry, need to bursh up on my geography
1916: Battle of Verdun

IDF have claimed the white spot near Egypt, I believe.

1917: The United States joins World War One (WW1).

Can I claim the African territories west of Madagascar(Kenya? The big white space.) and the white spot southeast of Egypt.
Sorry, need to bursh up on my geography
1916: Battle of Verdun

That's Mozambique. I was eyeing it, but I'll let it go.

However, to the owners of Egypt: is there any chance that you would could be swayed to trade/sell it all to me? Egypt is very importat to Rome and always has been.

Oh- Game: 1918: End of WWI.

That's Mozambique. I was eyeing it, but I'll let it go.

However, to the owners of Egypt: is there any chance that you would could be swayed to trade/sell it all to me? Egypt is very importat to Rome and always has been.

Oh- Game: 1918: End of WWI.

I own Northeast Egypt, and I say "No way". The colony is way too important to me. But you can have a military base, embassy/consulate, businesses, etc there, due to me being in the Roman Confederacy and a close ally to Rome.

1919: Versailles conferance

I'll take Mozambique. I think I'm under my total area limit. Not sure what you consider too much for a 4+ billion nation. Hmm, on the other hand I don't really need it and I'd have to start and rp and everything. Eh...I'll let it go.


EDIT: Totally screwed up the game, sorry about that. 1920: Prohibition goes into effect and Adolf Hitler presents his national socialist program in Munich.

The Knights Templars: Yes you may have both of them. The northern one is Dijibouti and the southern one is Mozambique.

Cotland: I don't have any claims within the thread of IDF going for Dijibouti at all. If he claimed it he didn't let anyone inside Earth II know by posting in the main claims thread, which is general practice and law. Hell the last time Dijibouti was spoken about was post #1683.

GnOoLoCoPeLep: Templars claimed it earlier and you fooed up our damn game!!

1920: League of Nations first meets & subsequent US Senate says "NO" to joining.

1921: Albert Einstein wins Nobel Prize for Physics. The Anglo-Irish Treaty establishing the Irish Free State is signed in London.

The Knights Templars: Yes you may have both of them. The northern one is Dijibouti and the southern one is Mozambique.

Cotland: I don't have any claims within the thread of IDF going for Dijibouti at all. If he claimed it he didn't let anyone inside Earth II know by posting in the main claims thread, which is general practice and law. Hell the last time Dijibouti was spoken about was post #1683.

GnOoLoCoPeLep: Templars claimed it earlier and you fooed up our damn game!!

1920: League of Nations first meets & subsequent US Senate says "NO" to joining.

1921: Albert Einstein wins Nobel Prize for Physics. The Anglo-Irish Treaty establishing the Irish Free State is signed in London.

Well, he's RPing an invasion of it right now. I had a small argument with him over the Suez in another thread. I'll post a link right away so you can have a look..

Well, he's RPing an invasion of it right now. I had a small argument with him over the Suez in another thread. I'll post a link right away so you can have a look..

He should have probably posted that some time ago in the thread like everyone else.

psst ya didn't do 1922 :) (I want to see what happens when we get to 2006)

1923: NY Yankees win first WS.

hey can I have whats left of india?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=394004

1925: Norway takes control of Svalbard

hey can I have whats left of india?

There's nothing to take in India. Read the claims and maps before you post.

Cotland: As far as the thread goes, he never posted squat so as far as I am concerned, it's up to Templars and him to discuss.

1922: USSR forms.

1924: Lenin dies.

1926: Japanese expansion begins.

if the white are in africa is free can I have that?

if the white are in africa is free can I have that?

Given to The KNights Templars.

1927: First transatlantic telephone call - New York City to London. NY Yankees win WS.

1928: NY Yankees win WS.

Given to The KNights Templars.

1927: First transatlantic telephone call - New York City to London. NY Yankees win WS.

1928: NY Yankees win WS.

You a Yankees fan?

1929: Wall Street crack.

Given to The KNights Templars.

1927: First transatlantic telephone call - New York City to London. NY Yankees win WS.

1928: NY Yankees win WS.

Urge...to....kill....rising.....

Urge...to....kill....rising.....

1930: Yankees didn't win but neither did the Red Sox. The first diesel-engine automobile trip is completed (Indianapolis, Indiana, to New York City).

1931: The Star-Spangled Banner is adopted as the United States National anthem.

1930: Yankees didn't win but neither did the Red Sox. The first diesel-engine automobile trip is completed (Indianapolis, Indiana, to New York City).

1931: The Star-Spangled Banner is adopted as the United States National anthem.

Hmmm...

Screw going in order!

2004: Red Sox totally crush the Yankees (Making this the greatest comeback in world history), then go on to easily win the World Series. Everyone is happy except for the New Yorkers and the Panamanians, but that's only because they have mental problems.

:D

Hmmm...

Screw going in order!

2004: Red Sox totally crush the Yankees (Making this the greatest comeback in world history), then go on to easily win the World Series. Everyone is happy except for the New Yorkers and the Panamanians, but that's only because they have mental problems.

:D

2004: Red Sox buy the World Series and the Penant in the first Black Sox scandal of the 21st Century.

1932: Yankees win the WS.

1933: Babe Ruth joins the ALL-STAR team.

I own Northeast Egypt, and I say "No way". The colony is way too important to me. But you can have a military base, embassy/consulate, businesses, etc there, due to me being in the Roman Confederacy and a close ally to Rome.

I was referring to more Egypt proper, not the Sinai Peninsula (and, thus, the Suez Canal) that you own.

1934: Dionne Quintuplets born.

1934: Hitler is doing his think in Germany...you know...holocaust...something the Allied Nations did NOT know of untill twards the end of WWII...which is kind of sad..but hell...( And if I am wrong and it was the year before or after, then he was allected around this year....aka just assumed power )

Greece Puts Tariffs on the Black Sea Entrance (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=394715)

1935: Italy invades Ethiopia.

1936: Yankees win WS. Hitler becomes chancellor.

1937: Spanish Civil War. Japan invades China. Yankees win WS.

RP added Nikolas.

1935: Italy invades Ethiopia.

1936: Yankees win WS. Hitler becomes chancellor.

1937: Spanish Civil War. Japan invades China. Yankees win WS.

RP added Nikolas.

1935 - Italy invades Abyssinia!!!!!!!!!, It wasn't Ethiopia back then :P

Silly baseball fans, its Blue Jays all the way


1938 - German Anchluss with Austria

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Nation-States/Earth%20II/asia-east.jpg

Japan is open, thus I claim it! I also would like to claim Laos, Cambodia, and Thailand since they are also open.

I will make the thread as soon as it's approved.

( DAMN YOU I WAS GOING TO DO 1938..I will do it anyways )

1938: Germany Annexes Austria and Sudentenland
1939: Germany Invades Poland and Britain and France declare war, WWII Begins
1940: German blitzkrieg (lightening war) takes Denmark and Norway
Italy, Germany's ally, declares war on Britain and France
Germany conquers France, the Netherlands, and Belgium
1940-41: Battle of Britain

1935 - Italy invades Abyssinia!!!!!!!!!, It wasn't Ethiopia back then :P

Silly baseball fans, its Blue Jays all the way

Correct you are. By the way, Celtayoshi, you from Toronto at all?

1941: Pearl Harbour attacked- US enters WWII

1935 - Italy invades Abyssinia!!!!!!!!!, It wasn't Ethiopia back then :P

Silly baseball fans, its Blue Jays all the way


1938 - German Anchluss with Austria

You are right. It was Abyssinia. Ethipoia either way.

1938: Yankees win WS.

1939: Germany invades Poland. Yankees win WS.

HOLY COW that went from 1939 to 1942 fast.

1942: Yankees don't win WS but do win penant. Also in the news, World War II rages. France surrendered real fast in 1940. (Big surprise). Too much happened in 1942 to name one event really but the Yankees still ruled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankees

And I quote:

The New York Yankees are a Major League baseball team based in The Bronx, New York City. They are in the Eastern Division of the American League.

The Yankees have won 26 World Series in 39 appearances; the St. Louis Cardinals and the Oakland Athletics are tied for second with 9 World Series victories each, and the San Francisco Giants is second with 15 World Series appearances. Among the North American major sports, their success is only approached by the 24 Stanley Cup championships of the Montreal Canadiens of the National Hockey League. It is the only team that is represented at every position in the Baseball Hall of Fame.

God damn you I was going to RP a take over of Japan...

I even asked Lay

Clubckrprivatesn (4:09:28 PM): Hey can I have Japan? I'll make the RP for it...and hopefully others will leave me at peace and let me have it lol

1935: Italy invades Ethiopia.

1936: Yankees win WS. Hitler becomes chancellor.

1937: Spanish Civil War. Japan invades China. Yankees win WS.

RP added Nikolas.

God I hate you :)

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Nation-States/Earth%20II/asia-east.jpg

Japan is open, thus I claim it! I also would like to claim Laos, Cambodia, and Thailand since they are also open.

I will make the thread as soon as it's approved.

Give me a few min on that I think someone claimed it way back when to be honest, just after Mariamia said "good-bye"

1943: Yankees win the WS. The United States and United Kingdom give up territorial rights in China.

This is a history lesson :).

HA I SNAGGED 1945!!!

1944: D-Day
1945: Atomic Bombs, VJ/VE days.

Uh, Layarteb, what your E-mail?

*whispers* "Spencer, how's that virus coming along? Another few hours, eh? Ah well.

Anyhoo, is your SPAM ready? Not yet? DANG!"*whispers*

Uh, Layarteb, what your E-mail?

*whispers* "Spencer, how's that virus coming along? Another few hours, eh? Ah well.

Anyhoo, is your SPAM ready? Not yet? DANG!"*whispers*

1946: The 20mm M61 Vulcan gatling gun is invented.

1947: Yankees win WS. Berlin Crisis.

It's in my profile. If I get spam from you I'm going to destroy you.

42-43:Axis lose in North Africa
Soviets stop Nazi advance at Battle of Stalingrad
43-44:Soviets slowly push Nazis back to Germany
1944:June 6, D-Day Invasion: massive Allied naval force lands at Normandy, France
1945:February: Yalta conference: FDR, Churchill and Stalin discuss surrender settlement
March: U.S. firebombs Tokyo on massive scale
May: Germany surrenders
August: U.S. drops atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Japan surrenders, ending Pacific theater of W.W.II

1946: Lots of FUN is had back in America cuz finally, all the masculine men have returned to these girls who were stuck with nerdy freaks and others who were too...I would say it but people would be mad...to fight in WWII

Yeah Hawdawg claimed Japan in #1910 through #1912.

I updated the list on my MS Excell file but never did the claims list or uploaded the updated map. That was my fault, sorry.

1950: Korean war began.

I claim Thailand and/or Myanmar

I also would like to claim Laos, Cambodia, and Thailand since they are also open.

I claimed it first. Right Layarteb >_> <_< :D

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Nation-States/Earth%20II/asia-east.jpg

Japan is open, thus I claim it! I also would like to claim Laos, Cambodia, and Thailand since they are also open.

I will make the thread as soon as it's approved.

I can give you the other three just not Japan.

1953: Korean war ends. First hydrogen bomb tested by US (right 53 not 51 or am I mixed up)?

Yea I just noticed, so I'll have Myanmar and Vietnam

Yea I just noticed, so I'll have Myanmar and Vietnam

That works.

So TIOR you want the other three so I can update the map and be done with it?

1955: Hmm what happened. Yankees lost the WS but won the penant. Go Dodgers ;). Oh yeah this happened: Israel obtains 4 of the 7 Dead Sea scrolls. Now thats definitely something important. Too bad they haven't been allowed to be fully translated yet by the Church but we'll leave that alone for now.

I can give you the other three just not Japan.

1953: Korean war ends. First hydrogen bomb tested by US (right 53 not 51 or am I mixed up)?

Okay, I don't mind.

Alright TIOR and Psy your claims are verified, added, and the maps are updated.

1957: Launch of Sputnik I, the first artificial satellite to orbit the Earth.

No countries open. Bah...

Any other earths with open countries? Or anyone willing to make another earth?

No countries open. Bah...

Any other earths with open countries? Or anyone willing to make another earth?

There is stuff open. If you are going to request and advertise for a new Earth though go elsewhere.

1958: Treaty of Rome founding the EU is implemented. Sputnik falls to Earth.

1959: Fulgencio Batista flees Havana when forces of Fidel Castro advance.

I haven't seen anything open,and I've checked all the maps. I'm pretty sure I'm not blind.

I haven't seen anything open,and I've checked all the maps. I'm pretty sure I'm not blind.

You are blind. Look at Russia and Antarctica.

1960: The United States announces that 3,500 American troops are going to be sent to Vietnam

1961: Bay of Pigs.

1960: Seventeen African nations achieve their independence.

1961: The Chicago Blackhawks win their last Stanley Cup, the longest Cup drought in the NHL.

1962: Cuban Missile Crisis

Originally Posted by RomeW

However, to the owners of Egypt: is there any chance that you would could be swayed to trade/sell it all to me? Egypt is very importat to Rome and always has been

I am not interested in selling an of Eastern Egypt at this time.

TIOR posted:

Japan is open, thus I claim it! I also would like to claim Laos, Cambodia, and Thailand since they are also open.

I will make the thread as soon as it's approved.

Sorry man beat you to the punch.

-Hawdawg

1963 JFK killed in Dallas. Shortly there after accused shooter gunned down by Jack Ruby.

Originally Posted by RomeW



I am not interested in selling an of Eastern Egypt at this time.



In your case, I'd figure we'd trade, as Egypt is your base.

Game:

1963: John F. Kennedy Assassinated in Dallas
1964: Beatles release first album in the US

Oops I meant Western Egypt my bad. And what are you offering in trade RomeW?

-Hawdawg

Game:

1965 Voting Rights Act passed, Malcolm X assassinated

Hawdawg takes Japan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=394769)

1966 Miranda Rights case heard before Supreme Court. Now all suspects are "read there rights" before taken into custody.

Oops I meant Western Egypt my bad. And what are you offering in trade RomeW?

Eastern/Central Libya, right along the coast.

RomeW stated:
Eastern/Central Libya, right along the coast.


How many Square Miles? Eastern Egypt is about 350,000 square miles. If we trade I will need to stay under 1 million with the population I have.

I also have a couple of conditions that will have to be met:

1. All current Hawdawg Military Installations will be allowed to stay for a period of 10 NS years. (This allows for new construction, etc. in Libya)

2. I would like to see the Interstate system in North Africa expanded to benefit truck and rail traffic through the region.

3. Since my economy is based on Agriculture, I would like grazing rights for the "official" state herd for 10 NS years. (this will allow me enough time to establish crops and irrigation centers in Libya)

4. I ask for NO Money in this exchange only the provisions listed above.


-Hawdawg

game:

1968, The year my father was born, may he rest in peace. PS I miss you pop.

You are giving part of Libya to him instead of me?

I feel so sad...

You are giving part of Libya to him instead of me?

I feel so sad...

I didn't want to give up Tripoli. The area I'm trying to give up is Cyrenaica, which I don't believe was Carthaginian.

Let me think about all this right now. I'm not thinking straight at the moment (personal).

I didn't want to give up Tripoli. The area I'm trying to give up is Cyrenaica, which I don't believe was Carthaginian.

Let me think about all this right now. I'm not thinking straight at the moment (personal).

Good point.

*revs up the tank engines*

I mean, uh...yeah...

*turns off tanks and slowly walks away.*

RomeW stated:

I didn't want to give up Tripoli. The area I'm trying to give up is Cyrenaica, which I don't believe was Carthaginian.

Wait a second, didn't know I wasn't getting Tripoli. Humm I will have to think this over myself. BTW take as much time as you need, just list the details of what you propose to keep. The devil is always in the details.

Hawdawg

Map:

http://www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/libya.png

The blue is what I'm keeping. The red will go to The Lightning Star. The green will go to Hawdawg. Since we're allies Hawdawg you won't have to worry about going in between your pieces of land, and in your section you get Propylaeum, "The Gateway" for my Superhighway system (the city's name means "gateway" in Latin).

I'm just wondering.. Is Nikolaos the Great (Greece) still a member of the Roman Confederacy?

I'm just wondering.. Is Nikolaos the Great (Greece) still a member of the Roman Confederacy?
I believe so. It says so in his signature.

I believe so. It says so in his signature.

Then we may have a problem... He's threathening to go to war unless I allow him free passage thru the Suez, a sovereign Cottish terrirory..

Link?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=394715

I responded to it.

I responded to it.

Me too

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8116540#post8116540

Celtayoshi has a King, tapes of the coronation in full are available from CSN.

Map:

http://www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/libya.png

The blue is what I'm keeping. The red will go to The Lightning Star. The green will go to Hawdawg. Since we're allies Hawdawg you won't have to worry about going in between your pieces of land, and in your section you get Propylaeum, "The Gateway" for my Superhighway system (the city's name means "gateway" in Latin).

YAY!

I am one step close towards achieving my dream of a Carthage Empire thats almost as large as the real one was...

The Empire of Layarteb has recently purchases Ireland from Dublin Commune. He shall post here shortly, (I hope) to confirm it for everyone.

1983: Year I was born.

that Oman purchase never happened, right? So I still have the trillion? Also is Socotra unclaimed?

Also, ive heard rumors of Hogsweat going kaput (fun word), if so, can i claim Kuwait?

1984-People everywhere happy that George Orwell was wrong about 1984

RomeW: Libya. What's the deal? ?Que paso?

Celtayoshi: RP added.

Elephantum: Hogsweat, kaput? Nope. I'm not exactly sure what the deal is BUT if he does renounce his territory its first come, first serve. Socotra is in control of Yemen so whomever has Yemen has it.

1985: "New York, New York" becomes the official city anthem of New York City

1986: New York Mets win the WS against the Boston Red Sox.

The Empire of Layarteb has recently purchases Ireland from Dublin Commune. He shall post here shortly, (I hope) to confirm it for everyone.

1983: Year I was born.

The purchase of Ireland is unacceptable. This is indeed a disturbing revelation. I think I'll have to outbid you.

The purchase of Ireland is unacceptable. This is indeed a disturbing revelation. I think I'll have to outbid you.

Deal is a done.

Deal is a done.

I can't say that I care.

I can't say that I care.

:)

FYI about 2 days before you mentioned it I was already in the process of trying to buy Ireland.

FYI That doesn't do anything to decrease my desire to obtain it.

Damn it. Who took 1987!?

1987: I was born!!! :D

1988: End of the Iran-Iraq war

1989: End of the Afghanistan-Soviet war

1990: Operation Desert Shield

1991: January 17 - Operation Desert Storm (Bushwar #1), January 17 - death of King Olav V of Norway.

RomeW stated:

Map:

http://www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/libya.png

The blue is what I'm keeping. The red will go to The Lightning Star. The green will go to Hawdawg. Since we're allies Hawdawg you won't have to worry about going in between your pieces of land, and in your section you get Propylaeum, "The Gateway" for my Superhighway system (the city's name means "gateway" in Latin).

It appears that I would be trading a large parcel of land for a smaller one. I also don't like the fact of having a separation between my parcels. I will only approve the swap if all my territory is connected and the square mileage is the same. Sorry but those are the terms. I realize we are in the Alliance together and have no hostilities towards each other but time changes things and I don't want to be land locked with an unfriendly neighbor.

Let me know.

Thanks,

Hawdawg

Game: 1992 Dan Quayle forgot how to spell Potato.

New poll. "What do you think about Nikolaos the Great's taxation of the Med.?"

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=395009

1993: I don't really remember anything...

http://www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/africa2.jpg

The above is Layarteb's map with the proposed division of Libya (shaded in colours slightly different than what Layarteb gave you) as I set out before with some alterations. I've decided to give you the land link you wanted Hawdawg.

EDIT- For your purposes, Layarteb, the division won't be official until all parties completely agree on the parameters of the division.

Game:

1993: Toronto Blue Jays win second straight World Series

1994: New York Rangers win first Stanley Cup since 1940, National Hockey League lockout obliterates half of 1994-95 season.

ok, Layerteb. By the way, my alliance thread as not been touched for a while, so you can drop it

1995-I started kindergarten, some other stuff I dont remember happened.

EDIT-layerteb, can I get a land breakdown, I cant seem to find the areas of those provinces in India, and i wanted to see what you have for Bahrain's area (I have 260 square miles)

ok, Layerteb. By the way, my alliance thread as not been touched for a while, so you can drop it

1995-I started kindergarten, some other stuff I dont remember happened.

1995: Okalahoma City bombing

1993: WTC bombing *(1)*

1996: Yankees win WS after going 0 - 2 in the first 2 games then to come back and win 4 in a row.

You sure you want to kill it? (BTW which alliance is that)

just asking for embassies and stuff, nothing important, did you see the edit?

did you see the second part
1997-Bill Clinton starts term 2 :mad: (seven years later President Bush Starts term 2, Ms. Clinton is happiest Democrat in world :headbang: )

1998-umm i dont remember

did you see the second part
1997-Bill Clinton starts term 2 :mad: (seven years later President Bush Starts term 2, Ms. Clinton is happiest Democrat in world :headbang: )

1998-umm i dont remember

1998: Embassy bombings, Yankees win WS.
1999: Yankees win the WS again. Y2K problem feared.

ok, Layerteb. By the way, my alliance thread as not been touched for a while, so you can drop it

1995-I started kindergarten, some other stuff I dont remember happened.

EDIT-layerteb, can I get a land breakdown, I cant seem to find the areas of those provinces in India, and i wanted to see what you have for Bahrain's area (I have 260 square miles)

2000: Yankees win WS again. Y2K problem over. Bush wins election by electoral votes, not popular. USS Cole bombing.

Bahrain 256.76
Gambia 4,007.74
India (Kerala) 15,005.09
India (Tamil Nadu) 50,215.67
Total 69,485.26