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Am i still technically at War with Kreynoria? Whats going on with that?
If i still am, it is time for my first offensive action of the war, Operation Doomsinger (corny i know, but who cares? militaries can do that sort of thing)

Am i still technically at War with Kreynoria? Whats going on with that?
If i still am, it is time for my first offensive action of the war, Operation Doomsinger (corny i know, but who cares? militaries can do that sort of thing)

I'm as clueless as you are as to where that actually is, to be honest.

To clarify, that quote was my claiming post from 2004. Not to sound like an ass but if you can say your newly recunstructed federation has all its old money plus trillions more then I can recreate the Empire of Nerotika along with all its assets and its former power. That would mean you (Pushka) become a target of Nerotika because you own Imperial land, this would also mean I would have the ability to combat you with my newly aquired assets and military strength. Trust me, we do not want to play that game. If you want to threaten people learn more about them before you go ahead and do it. Just cause you say you have the power to take my land or repel the entire of TOA doesn't mean you can. Hell I must say, if I had not left in the first place Russia would be divided between me and Cotland with you out of the picture.

Well technically, if I were to change myself to the Nerotikan Empire, yes I would have been born before you. But who cares, I didn't mean anything mean by it I was just saying it that your return would have cost alot of money. Your troops are armed with up to date weapons right? are you to say that those weapons had always been there, you needed to produce the new technology in mass amounts to rebuild the defense you need to pay your soldiers (Unless they are so willing to die for the country they work for free, and I doubt that). Its just a matter of the time you spent away, it might not have been as long as I was thinking but still with NS time it was years upon years. You have to understand where im coming from, its hard to think that a nation could come to rise (Even if it had once before) and be perfectly stable.

The fall of your nation had to do something to the moral of your people, troops and the amount in your banks. Why would people transfer money to other accounts if its basically worthless, the country that produced it does not exist. Unless your money was made of gold or silver it has no value thats like trying to take a piece of USSR money and trying to spend it. Im only comparing realism because you said something to Lay about him not being real.

Well first of all, you being born earlier than me doesn't really work even if you do proclaim yourself an Empire. Secondly my gov't migrated to Yakutia during the anarchy, taking the money and the armed forces with it. As for Lay, well I only brought up the inflation thing cause he seemed to have a problem with me having 100 trillion saved up.

Eh...those days are long gone, as I am Rping you have never owned my current lands in Siberia. In my history those lands have been owned by Pushkavites since the first century AD. Heh, so you don't think I can take your land? Alright then, I was indecisive on the object of coming into that conflict but now Im not. Congrats, Im coming in, you're fucked.

You can't simply just disregard our existence. The nerotikan ethnicity is spread all around Russia now, infact Vitaly Kurstrovitz is the decendant of the Imperial nerotikan leader (Which is why he was given leadership of the USR). Your Pushkavites are nothing more then renamed Nerotikans, like catholics are renamed Christians or something like that.

To clarify, that quote was my claiming post from 2004. Not to sound like an ass but if you can say your newly recunstructed federation has all its old money plus trillions more then I can recreate the Empire of Nerotika along with all its assets and its former power. That would mean you (Pushka) become a target of Nerotika because you own Imperial land, this would also mean I would have the ability to combat you with my newly aquired assets and military strength. Trust me, we do not want to play that game. If you want to threaten people learn more about them before you go ahead and do it. Just cause you say you have the power to take my land or repel the entire of TOA doesn't mean you can. Hell I must say, if I had not left in the first place Russia would be divided between me and Cotland with you out of the picture.

Eh...those days are long gone, as I am Rping you have never owned my current lands in Siberia. In my history those lands have been owned by Pushkavites since the first century AD. Heh, so you don't think I can take your land? Alright then, I was indecisive on the object of coming into that conflict but now Im not. Congrats, Im coming in, you're fucked.

Heh, this should be interesting, considering i own acouple territories in Russia.

Official Statement to the separatist regions of the Federation controlled by Nerotika

We do not recognize your government and have classified you as territories separated from the Federation without Federation government consent. As such, we take it upon ourselves to fix this injustice and bring you and your people back under the Federation control. More so this must be done so the inhumane practices that go on at your prison camps would seize. You have two choices to either to surrender or be forced to surrender, you have three days to come up with an answer.

-Igor Stepanov,
President of Russian Federation

Well first of all, you being born earlier than me doesn't really work even if you do proclaim yourself an Empire. Secondly my gov't migrated to Yakutia during the anarchy, taking the money and the armed forces with it. As for Lay, well I only brought up the inflation thing cause he seemed to have a problem with me having 100 trillion saved up.

Without the aide of a bank, the tumultuous past, I'd say a $100t saved up is a massive wankitudinal event almost a godmod.

You can't simply just disregard our existence. The nerotikan ethnicity is spread all around Russia now, infact Vitaly Kurstrovitz is the decendant of the Imperial nerotikan leader (Which is why he was given leadership of the USR). Your Pushkavites are nothing more then renamed Nerotikans, like catholics are renamed Christians or something like that.

Indeed...

Eh...those days are long gone, as I am Rping you have never owned my current lands in Siberia. In my history those lands have been owned by Pushkavites since the first century AD. Heh, so you don't think I can take your land? Alright then, I was indecisive on the object of coming into that conflict but now Im not. Congrats, Im coming in, you're fucked.

Which is also a godmod.

No we are not, and you can not claim that we are.

Neither can you claim that he never existed....fucking jolt clock

You can't simply just disregard our existence. The nerotikan ethnicity is spread all around Russia now, infact Vitaly Kurstrovitz is the decendant of the Imperial nerotikan leader (Which is why he was given leadership of the USR). Your Pushkavites are nothing more then renamed Nerotikans, like catholics are renamed Christians or something like that.

No we are not, and you can not claim that we are.

I'll put an invasion thread post up soon, Nero if you're wondering about how many forces I have in my Siberian territories its somewhere around 5 million ground forces plus the bulk of the navy (which has already returned to port since Spizanian campaign seized). Expect to get your ass wooped sometime soon.

Lay thats some fucking bullshit and you know, the asshole left for fucking years so me being forced to recognize his control of my land is just that, bullshit. Also 600 trillion in a bank over fucking few months is also bullshit and a god mod if you want to go there. But I don't really care how much money you have in your bank same as you shouldn't care how much I have saved up, either way I have over 20 trillion in my defense budget meaning that I can afford ANYTHING! Understand?

You can't just write someone out of history, it sucks but too bad...The bank actually has been running for a few "years" now in time scale and there is a lot of things with interest rates that may seem high but at least it's something than just coming out and making up an arbitrary number to try to to compete.

Lay thats some fucking bullshit and you know it, the asshole left for fucking years so me being forced to recognize his control of my land is just that, bullshit. Also 600 trillion in a bank over fucking few months is also bullshit and a god mod if you want to go there. But I don't really care how much money you have in your bank same as you shouldn't care how much I have saved up, either way I have over 20 trillion in my defense budget meaning that I can afford ANYTHING! Understand?

Oh yeah Nero, btw, its my personal goal now to remove you from EII completely. You're not here no one will say anymore bullshit about my history.

Oh yeah Nero, btw, its my personal goal now to remove you from EII completely. You're not here no one will say anymore bullshit about my history.

So what the federation is doing is trying to eliminate a certain aspect of their true history. I rocognize that our territories were once Pushkan, as well as once being cottish and other nations. The thing is, a revolution takes away what was your or any other society. We do not see our lands as being yours as the USSR saw all of Russia and others lands as being Soviet and not the respectful nations. Although they did have them named they were apart of the USSR nation and so they were soviet because the people had fought to gain soviet freedom. (I dont want to attempt to even talk about russian history with a russian cause I know I will get slammed). But the thing is, if you fought for independence, if your brothers and such died to gain freedom would you just give it all up to the old leaders you fought to get away from? Its like Britain just suddenly saying hey america was once ours lets go take it back.

also it seems you've been trying to write me out of history ever since the empire collapsed. If you want I could got back into this thread and gather everything you said about the Nerotikan population not existing, I believe Pys defending my people over this because the Nerotikan people lived in japan at the time, hence this is where the Syndicate came from. I have always been here, just till recently I have been watching to get my lands back. I saw an opening here and took it, I did not want a war with you, or cotland but apparently being a nation built on a revolutionary spirit does not get you respect. Sure, I will most likely loose, but I will still be here. The Nerotikans will always be here, you take my land and we will be here, Cotland takes my land and we will be here just under new management until I return again. I can without a doubt say that Russia truly is built between Cottish people and Nerotikan people, along with a few other types of people if they counted themselves out of regular russian people. Like I said before, your people are nothing more then maybe even the combination of cottish and nerotikan.

Final thing, never said you cant take my land. What I said was if I did what you are doing I would be able to repel you. BUT I did not do this so when you invade you will be up against only the soviet forces. You will win, im sure of it but in the long run you are only fooling yourself.

Oh and cotland, so you have closure or whatever it is because the Nerotikans are basically a brother society to yours The Syndicate made up of Nationalist Nerotikans attacked your embassy. Most nerotikans probably live in your lands and respect your people but when you get a nationalist group held up in a concentrated area with a "rival" societies embassy there was bound to be an attack. I never would have said anything at that moment cause I did not want your full wraith but that was the reason. The Empire was never against you in any way, infact from our perspective Russia was divided between our people peacefully, now it seems this division is recieved with rejection as though Nerotikans never existed, so Pushka are you to say that cottish people do not exist either. I thought I would not defend cotland after his attack but he is being alot nicer than you are. Cotland I have sent you a TG please read and think about it carefully, casualties between our people do not have to come we can settle this before the bloodshed continues. It is not too late as it is never to late.

So what the federation is doing is trying to eliminate a certain aspect of their true history. I rocognize that our territories were once Pushkan, as well as once being cottish and other nations. The thing is, a revolution takes away what was your or any other society. We do not see our lands as being yours as the USSR saw all of Russia and others lands as being Soviet and not the respectful nations. Although they did have them named they were apart of the USSR nation and so they were soviet because the people had fought to gain soviet freedom. (I dont want to attempt to even talk about russian history with a russian cause I know I will get slammed). But the thing is, if you fought for independence, if your brothers and such died to gain freedom would you just give it all up to the old leaders you fought to get away from? Its like Britain just suddenly saying hey america was once ours lets go take it back.

If you're not here no one will be there to object. I have been RPing my history as those Siberian lands being mine since 1st century AD, for the time when you weren't here (which was several years) and now you unexpectedly come back and tell me to revise it, bullshit. I am not saying you shouldn't fight me, I expect you to (good for me since the others will see what my army can do) but I will not stop until I've taken all the lands that are currently under your possession.

also it seems you've been trying to write me out of history ever since the empire collapsed. If you want I could got back into this thread and gather everything you said about the Nerotikan population not existing, I believe Pys defending my people over this because the Nerotikan people lived in japan at the time, hence this is where the Syndicate came from. I have always been here, just till recently I have been watching to get my lands back. I saw an opening here and took it, I did not want a war with you, or cotland but apparently being a nation built on a revolutionary spirit does not get you respect. Sure, I will most likely loose, but I will still be here. The Nerotikans will always be here, you take my land and we will be here, Cotland takes my land and we will be here just under new management until I return again. I can without a doubt say that Russia truly is built between Cottish people and Nerotikan people, along with a few other types of people if they counted themselves out of regular russian people. Like I said before, your people are nothing more then maybe even the combination of cottish and nerotikan.

my people are the lost slavic tribe, they are Russian people, not Cottish and not Nerotikan. As for your people, don't worry, there will be a genocide. Now because you've made that last statement, I must eradicate you so that bullshit will no longer be continued.

If you're not here no one will be there to object. I have been RPing my history as those Siberian lands being mine since 1st century AD, for the time when you weren't here (which was several years) and now you unexpectedly come back and tell me to revise it, bullshit. I am not saying you shouldn't fight me, I expect you to (good for me since the others will see what my army can do) but I will not stop until I've taken all the lands that are currently under your possession.

And we will do the same, but reconsider your invasion. As I am not the nerotikan empire I have no objections to your history as it is the governments choice where there history goes. You do not have to recognize nerotikan people, you can simply disregard them as being out of touch for to long to be considered a people. I don't want a war on two fronts all because I had to revolt in the land you claim is yours as well as cottish. What will happen if you begin to invade, one wrong move and the eye of the international community will be upon you. Can you really repel the TOA in all its strength? I believe only Marimia (Spelling?) and Japan could do that and those two are the oldest recognized nations along with of course Lay. Are you going to unrecognize Japan because he harbored Nerotikans? Wipe him from here because he will object to your history? You cannot get rid of me by taking me out, I created what is northern russia in the beginning and then lost it all because im computer fried. What was your reason for leaving?

I will not let anyone state that my nation is somehow their historic subordinate and that Pushkan people are not an ancient Slavic tribe in their own right. If Nero wants to compromise and agree upon a single history that doesn't interfere with mine than sure, if not I'll make an example of him.

and if it is that easy to disregard ones history than whos to say you owned what I own now. Hell if you can take me out of your history then I can do that same. What you are doing is a direct invasion with no plausible reason because I dont recognize these territories as being yours or ever being yours. Pushka im sorry but when your beat, your beat. Go ahead with your invasion but do it for a real reason not because I challenged your history books. You should have studied more into the past before writting your history without important nations. I believe there are plenty of nations that are left out of your history, and im sure when I write mine many will be left out. Like I said it is a governments choice to exclude details from its people to provide national pride. Its a cost some must pay to get the support of their people, like the nazi's did. They tried to change history and include themselves in every aspect of culture to get support for the nazi (Aryan) race.

And we will do the same, but reconsider your invasion. As I am not the nerotikan empire I have no objections to your history as it is the governments choice where there history goes. You do not have to recognize nerotikan people, you can simply disregard them as being out of touch for to long to be considered a people. I don't want a war on two fronts all because I had to revolt in the land you claim is yours as well as cottish. What will happen if you begin to invade, one wrong move and the eye of the international community will be upon you. Can you really repel the TOA in all its strength? I believe only Marimia (Spelling?) and Japan could do that and those two are the oldest recognized nations along with of course Lay. Are you going to unrecognize Japan because he harbored Nerotikans? Wipe him from here because he will object to your history? You cannot get rid of me by taking me out, I created what is northern russia in the beginning and then lost it all because im computer fried. What was your reason for leaving?

Life was my reason for leaving, I had university school work, before that I went to Russia for 2 months, before that I had to start working my ass off to pay the fucking rent. Yes I can get rid of you by taking you out, thats what is going to happen.

Life was my reason for leaving, I had university school work, before that I went to Russia for 2 months, before that I had to start working my ass off to pay the fucking rent. Yes I can get rid of you by taking you out, thats what is going to happen.

Ok so i'll be gone but in a way I will still be here. Trust me Nerotika never left it was just moved until I came back. My history is soviet, not Nerotikan. I am not that empire and so I do not have that in my history. My history begins when the revolution began, nothing any further back than that. What I am saying is that, sure you can write me out of your history but keep the thought that the empire did exist. With EII there is no exact russian nationality, thats why I concidered your people split from ours its cause I was the first nation to claim that particular section of russia and so my people were born there and have always been there because I was the original.

But, I my history says nothing about your people, Nerotikan people or anything else as we are the soviets and not Nerotikans. This is Soviet land not Nerotikan land and you are challanging the USR not the Nerotikan Empire because you want to eridicate nerotika from all thought. That makes no since, we are not Nerotika, we do not claim to be because we see ourselfs as Soviet people nothing more. Not Pushkan, not Cottish, Soviet. What you are doing is invading a land because you want to eridicate a differant land from history, all your doing is eliminating the USR out of history not Nerotika.

and if it is that easy to disregard ones history than whos to say you owned what I own now. Hell if you can take me out of your history then I can do that same. What you are doing is a direct invasion with no plausible reason because I dont recognize these territories as being yours or ever being yours. Pushka im sorry but when your beat, your beat. Go ahead with your invasion but do it for a real reason not because I challenged your history books. You should have studied more into the past before writting your history without important nations. I believe there are plenty of nations that are left out of your history, and im sure when I write mine many will be left out. Like I said it is a governments choice to exclude details from its people to provide national pride. Its a cost some must pay to get the support of their people, like the nazi's did. They tried to change history and include themselves in every aspect of culture to get support for the nazi (Aryan) race.

I did own those territories though, last year, and I will invade you and I will not alter my history because once you're gone there will be no one left to object and since this is a forum game if there is no one to object to something then its assumed that it happened. Thats all there is to it. What you're saying is that my people are not unique, that my nation's culture and heritage are not our own but yours and thats bullshit, I will never agree to that, my history is the way it is not because my gov't wants it to be but its the way it is because as far as EII is concerned it was the way I say it and once you are gone (and you will be by your own fault) there will be no more objections.

To summarize. You are claiming that my people are not my own but yours that my nation is not my own but yours, that my motherlands are not my own but yours, that my nation's culture is not my own but yours and that my nation's history is a lie. OOCly and ICly I will NEVER agree to those claims, they are ludicrous. You have been gone for for a bloody year than you come back and tell me that my national pride is a joke, what the hell did you expect but to have me tell you to go fuck yourself?

*Hides behind his couch* Pushka-san is scary... 0_0

The point you missing Nero is that once you're gone (you as in the RPer), you will no longer be able to interfere with my history and thats all there is to it. More so, before all this although I originally thought to invade you after Cot did I became indecisive but was leaning more towards helping you out atleast with arms, now after all this I will be invading you, don't blame me, its your own fault. Unless you are willing to compromise thats my only choice.

Nero, Pushk, quick comment....


If you're gonna have a heated debate, please take it to Lay's boards (http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2).

Its basically over, Cot get on aim.

Pushka and Nero stop fighting please! We as Russian nations need to unite not fight each other.

Even though you may think nothing of my me. I like both of you and i consider you allies, even though we dispute our heritage. I'll even admit that my people aren't fully Russian we are mix Slovak-Russian. But I don't want to see you two go to war. Bottom line we have more in common then meets the eye. Our concerns about TOA being one of those

How bout a conference in Kursk...where you two can talk it out. Not to mention some nice fine Panthean Whiskey to go with. It's not poisoned

Pushka and Nero stop fighting please! We as Russian nations need to unite not fight each other.

Even though you may think nothing of my me. I like both of you and i consider you allies, even though we dispute our heritage. I'll even admit that my people aren't fully Russian we are mix Slovak-Russian. But I don't want to see you two go to war. Bottom line we have more in common then meets the eye. Our concerns about TOA being one of those

How bout a conference in Kursk...where you two can talk it out. Not to mention some nice fine Panthean Whiskey to go with. It's not poisoned

You do know that when the TOA does "Operation Sunfall" the sun will fall on you guys?

Hello all. I've been looking at E2 for a while with interest and was would dearly like to join. Even though I realize that everything is taken, I was wondering if there were any lands up for grabs or anyone is willing to part with :p

Otherwise, I'll just watch and wait.

Parthini;12443351']Hello all. I've been looking at E2 for a while with interest and was would dearly like to join. Even though I realize that everything is taken, I was wondering if there were any lands up for grabs or anyone is willing to part with :p

Otherwise, I'll just watch and wait.

Actually there's some stuff in South America.

You do know that when the TOA does "Operation Sunfall" the sun will fall on you guys?

I don't see why..ive done nothing to hurt TOA except criticize it..but Pantheans have no where to go so if you want to be fighting an insurgency for the next 3 months (Real Time) then be my guest

Actually there's some stuff in South America.

Ottoman showed me that a lot of Brazil is open so I claim the rest of the land in Brazil.

On this map: http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Nation-States/Earth2/Maps/brazil.jpg

4, 10, 8, 27, 12, 7, 5, 26, 17, 6, 19, 9, 13, 3, 22 for measure.

Is there anything I should look up for background before I RP it (if it's ok that I do it!)

You do know that when the TOA does "Operation Sunfall" the sun will fall on you guys?

Lol (unless you're not joking, if you're not then "shakes fist, pounds a shoe on the podium and points another couple hundred nukes at Layarteb City.")

Pushka and Nero stop fighting please! We as Russian nations need to unite not fight each other.

Even though you may think nothing of my me. I like both of you and i consider you allies, even though we dispute our heritage. I'll even admit that my people aren't fully Russian we are mix Slovak-Russian. But I don't want to see you two go to war. Bottom line we have more in common then meets the eye. Our concerns about TOA being one of those

How bout a conference in Kursk...where you two can talk it out. Not to mention some nice fine Panthean Whiskey to go with. It's not poisoned

Im willing to compromise OOCly about such things as history so we don't interfere with each other and so on, however I will not accept that my people are somehow Nerotikans and that is final. The only way to stop Nero from claiming that nonsense is to remove him from EII which Im fully prepared to do through eliminating his nation in Russia and doing the same every time he attempts to claim land in any other region on EII.

Pushka, final word. Please do not reply to this as it is the last thing I will say on the subject.

First, I am not saying anything of that sort. Nothing is mine, it was the Nerotikan Empires and only the upper area. That would have been so long ago that the Nerotikan people would have had time to expand. I know I was gone for a year, I had lost everything. I am not trying to rebuild that empire, I am starting anew BUT it is just that the empire did exist at one time. Just like your nation, you existed at one time fell then came back BUT you came back as the same nation. I am the soviet republics not the Nerotikan Empire. My views are entirly OOC, in IC the USR is watching your nation challenge us over a dead empire because some voice is arguing the heritage of your people. All we see is the potential invasion, nothing more. The USR claims nothing on the matter so your attack in unprovoked. I dont know what I can say to not get you pissed, im sorry for saying that the pushkan pride is a lie. Although in not those words im sure I would have figured the same thing out if I were being told those such things. You can have you pride, its not a lie. You can have your history and everything, I do not have a problem with it as the Empire has fallen. Its just when I read back in the thread all you've been trying to do since you came was eliminate "Nerotikan" from society, basically get rid of what was the Empire so you could establish your history and such. EII runs like a real earth from what i've seen and when a nation lives and falls it is not forgotten so simply. You remember the Aztechs? Mayans? Rome? even the recent empires such as the Third Reich of Germany? USSR? history cannot be taken away and so it falls the nation to preserve what was. I will not contest your history, nothing of the sort as I am not the Nerotikan Empire and see no problem as nerotikan people in my nation are now soviets as are pushkan people, cottish people and every other race that lives in the USR. There is nothing else other then Soviet. Our history though, falls on you. The history you tell is the history we'll tell up to the revolution. Because you owned this land our histories coincide, basically I am forgetting the Nerotikan empire as well because the USR does not know any better, historians and such in the USR read Pushkan history books and so what you say goes basically. Just remember that if by any chance the empire does rise, then I will contest your history books. Right now, you are threatening an almost puppet nation that is willing to fight to the last man to protect the rights they fought for. What you are doing is attacking a nation that sees you as directly threatening the rights people died for in the revolution.

Pushka, concider all actions you make before making them. I will not allow you to take OUR land, WE fought for it, WE bleed for it. YOU did not. From how we see it we were abondoned and the Soviet Party led us to glory. Make your choice but im sure you already have. Good day.
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Off that, WE WON THE MATCH BITCHS. BF2142 Northern Strike TGL Rolling Thunder tournament, EVIL rises above the first bracket. I am teh happy.

Finally watched The Departed. HOLY COW!

Parthini;12443416']Ottoman showed me that a lot of Brazil is open so I claim the rest of the land in Brazil.

On this map: http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Nation-States/Earth2/Maps/brazil.jpg

4, 10, 8, 27, 12, 7, 5, 26, 17, 6, 19, 9, 13, 3, 22 for measure.

Is there anything I should look up for background before I RP it (if it's ok that I do it!)

Berkner Island
Brazil (Amapá)
Brazil (Bahia)
Brazil (Ceará)
Brazil (Distrito Federal)
Brazil (Espírito Santo)
Brazil (Goiás)
Brazil (Maranhão)
Brazil (Mato Grosso)
Brazil (Minas Gerais)
Brazil (Pará)
Brazil (Piauí)
Brazil (Rio Grande do Norte)
Brazil (Roraima)
Brazil (Tocantins)
Paraguay
South Orkney Island
Thurston Island
Uruguay

If you want you can claim up one of the big ones (like paraguary or uruguay) and 2 or 3 of the smaller ones.

Lol (unless you're not joking, if you're not then "shakes fist, pounds a shoe on the podium and points another couple hundred nukes at Layarteb City.")

Ehhh you people here and your nuke threats...pfftttt nobody can fight a really good war with tactics anymore they just want to nuke happy without realizing the concept of MAD.

Lay I think I have a perfect sumation of EII and nukes.

"Someone's implying something mean against someone...TO THE NUKES."

Finally watched The Departed. HOLY COW!

Isn't it the SHIT!! Fuck, I know its blasphemy but I liked it more than even God Father. Can't wait for the prequel, in it they tell the story of how the main mob guy in the movie rose to power, it is going to be da shit!

Ehhh you people here and your nuke threats...pfftttt nobody can fight a really good war with tactics anymore they just want to nuke happy without realizing the concept of MAD.

Well I assumed by "sun falling on your heads" you meant hydrogen bombs so MAD doesn't work in that case, anything else, I'll beat you conventionally (unless you mean the sun as in the star is going to fall on my head, than I'll have to either have to take some bigger star and put it on your head or resolve to nukes)

Well I assumed by "sun falling on your heads" you meant hydrogen bombs so MAD doesn't work in that case, anything else, I'll beat you conventionally (unless you mean the sun as in the star is going to fall on my head, than I'll have to either have to take some bigger star and put it on your head or resolve to nukes)

The Empire does not make nuclear threats but rather illusions and metaphors.

*sigh*

Fine, I'll go get my rocks now.

I don't suppose anyone here watches cricket? I don't, its boring, annoying and English. But right now there is a Cricket World Cup going on in Jamaica, and a couple of weird things have happend. First, England got thrashed by Canada...yes...Canada. And, much more importantly ;), Ireland...where cricket is as rare as a non-alcoholic...beat the former World Cup Champions, Pakistan! The Pakistanis happen to be one of the worlds best cricket teams...and we beat them... on St. Patrick's day...doesn't it just make ya want more Guiness and a big green hat?

The Departed was over-rated. Good flick but not oscar worthy in my opinion. There wasnt anything ground breaking in it.

The Departed was over-rated. Good flick but not oscar worthy in my opinion. There wasnt anything ground breaking in it.

HERETIC!!!! The Departed was aweseome! Prolly the best Mafia-related film I've ever seen! :)

*sigh*

An no one communicates with the Pivotal, Psychosomatic, Asiatic Empire to the east. Oh, no, we pose no threat...no tactical and strategical importance...we're all opium smokers and don't care about war...

:'(

That is a tear of a man who could do so very little, yet cause such massive catastrophe. Yet...

No one bothers to ask for help on either side :(

*Yes, Pushka on AIM I said I don't give a fuck but I also said that because you were sort of being an ass about my friend Nero, which I know in a non EIIish sense you don't mind him...bleh...and yes I said that neutral thing...but remember, I said don't pull the threat bs or I'd throw my rocks at you too...so...to summarize it*

God Dammit, you have the nation that wants a war so badly but you don't even bother with talking to him.

Bah, bah to you all! BAH YOU ALL TO HELL!

>.>

HERETIC!!!! The Departed was aweseome! Prolly the best Mafia-related film I've ever seen! :)

Leave it to me, the half Italian, to decide...

Once I pop it in my DVD Player.

*Sad I have it but I haven't watched it yet*

Hint - Piracy

The Departed was over-rated. Good flick but not oscar worthy in my opinion. There wasnt anything ground breaking in it.

Everyone Brink is a witch! Stone him!

Leave it to me, the half Italian, to decide...

Once I pop it in my DVD Player.

*Sad I have it but I haven't watched it yet*

Hint - Piracy

Eh, its about the Irish mob.

What seperates it from a movie like Boondock Saints? It was a fun movie and good no doubt but i just dont think it was as great as everyone else makes it to be.

Its not the Irish 'mob', just gangsters as I don't think the Irish have ever had 'mobs', just gangsters/criminals like I said. I haven't seen the movie, I don't really care for gangster flics, I had front row tickets to that plus terrorism my whole life, so meh. A good series about Irish gangsters in Rhode Island is 'Brotherhood', on Showtime in the US, FX in the UK/IRL.

Eh, its about the Irish mob.

Shh...

and...

Shh...hirg...shh...

The Departed, yeah good movie but like Brink said. Not ground breaking. Its kinda what you expect when you hear about the movie. Dont dog on The Godfather because that right there was ground breaking, very well made for its time and a wonderful movie. The Departed has potential but I dont think its as good.

wow...I cant think right now. I've sat down to reply to cotland three times, got the reply page up and suddenly I forget everything...ummm...yeah im just having a major writters block, excuse me for awhile.

Nero, ignore the comments I've made yesterday, somehow you manage to strike one of my nerves (probably due to a major headache I had), as long as you not bringing the empire back and start claiming all kinds of things we're cool, infact, infact how about you me and Panth chat a little bit about ways that we Russian nations can stick together?

Nero, ignore the comments I've made yesterday, somehow you manage to strike one of my nerves (probably due to a major headache I had), as long as you not bringing the empire back and start claiming all kinds of things we're cool, infact, infact how about you me and Panth chat a little bit about ways that we Russian nations can stick together?

...ummm...eh, ok? We'll talk but I dont think I can trust you now. If Pantheaa wants to create a meeting thread I will attend and your diplomats are allowed to fly over USR territory (Get the permission out of the way early)

Nero, check your TGs and reply forthwith please.

...ummm...eh, ok? We'll talk but I dont think I can trust you now. If Pantheaa wants to create a meeting thread I will attend and your diplomats are allowed to fly over USR territory (Get the permission out of the way early)

Alright, sounds great, Panth, wanna set it up?

The USR announces is surrender to the cottish forces. There is no need for this senseless bloodshed between brothers and so we will see to it that there will be no more. Conditions of this surrender are as followed.

10 days allowed time to pull all troops out along with prisoners and soviet citizens that wish to come. Trucks and planes will arrive at certain areas to supply transport to these people. (Territories will stay under USR control until all forces have been confirmed pulled out - Please note I will report this tommorrow)

A Non-aggression pact between Cotland and Nerotika on the Kirovian border (Time was not specified)

Further Conditions were not worked out.

The USR announces is surrender to the cottish forces. There is no need for this senseless bloodshed between brothers and so we will see to it that there will be no more. Conditions of this surrender are as followed.

10 days allowed time to pull all troops out along with prisoners and soviet citizens that wish to come. Trucks and planes will arrive at certain areas to supply transport to these people. (Territories will stay under USR control until all forces have been confirmed pulled out - Please note I will report this tommorrow)

A Non-aggression pact between Cotland and Nerotika on the Kirovian border (Time was not specified)

Further Conditions were not worked out.
Official Communiqué

The Realm accepts the USR surrender, and wishes to commend the USR leadership for reconsidering the Realm's proposal and chosing to settle this through diplomatic means. Through the back channels, diplomats has been able to settle a conflict which would otherwise have been settled with the proverbial sword. The terms specified in the USR surrender has been accepted, and the Realm shall allow the ten days for the USR pullout, upon which time the Realm shall reassume control over the territories of Kostroma, Ivanovo and Yaroslavl. With the contents of this communique being made public, all offensive operations in the Russian Area of Operations shall cease and all troops shall return to the standard ROE of "fire if fired upon". The war between the Realm and the USR is, for all intents and purposes, over.

[signed]
The Realm of Cotland
.

Hello, Boys. I'm Baaaaaaack.

Hello, Boys. I'm Baaaaaaack.

Who the hell are you?

EDIT: Oh you. Sorry mack. You're SOL --> http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Nation-States/Earth2/Maps/australia.jpg

Third time's the charm?

Re-granting Tasmania and Victoria to Azimeth.

As per-RP purposes, nothing really serious because it will transfer with-in the week or so, New South Wales under joint-rule. The Capital Territory is split sort of like West/East Berlin. South Australia *That isn't Kreynorian* under Azimethian Control, and I'll map a part of Western Australia that is Azimeth's now.

Sorry I didn't mention the odd thing over New South Wales earlier, it's just going to be a bit hard to immediately get rid of such a prosperous territory fully. Slowly, yes, it will be yours mostly and by mostly I mean we'll agree onto which small pockets I'll keep as 'Small Coastal City-Colonies'. :-D, welcome back.

I confirm this transfer. TREMBLE, MORTALS!

Who said I was mortal? :(

Cya guys tommorow.

Ok, I thought of what I want:

19 (Rio Grande do Norte)
6 (Ceara)
17 (Piaui)

If it's ok!

And what would I need to do next?

I don't suppose anyone here watches cricket? I don't, its boring, annoying and English. But right now there is a Cricket World Cup going on in Jamaica, and a couple of weird things have happend. First, England got thrashed by Canada...yes...Canada. And, much more importantly ;), Ireland...where cricket is as rare as a non-alcoholic...beat the former World Cup Champions, Pakistan! The Pakistanis happen to be one of the worlds best cricket teams...and we beat them... on St. Patrick's day...doesn't it just make ya want more Guiness and a big green hat?

The day I understand cricket is the day I will shoot myself because I will have understood the most complex thing in the world...

HERETIC!!!! The Departed was aweseome! Prolly the best Mafia-related film I've ever seen! :)

Easy easy there...Goodfellas and A Bronx Tale are some golden shit there...

What seperates it from a movie like Boondock Saints? It was a fun movie and good no doubt but i just dont think it was as great as everyone else makes it to be.

Boondock Saints, now that's a movie!!! St. Patty's Day ended and I didn't watch it...foo!

Hello, Boys. I'm Baaaaaaack.

Welcome Back

Third time's the charm?

Re-granting Tasmania and Victoria to Azimeth.

As per-RP purposes, nothing really serious because it will transfer with-in the week or so, New South Wales under joint-rule. The Capital Territory is split sort of like West/East Berlin. South Australia *That isn't Kreynorian* under Azimethian Control, and I'll map a part of Western Australia that is Azimeth's now.

Sorry I didn't mention the odd thing over New South Wales earlier, it's just going to be a bit hard to immediately get rid of such a prosperous territory fully. Slowly, yes, it will be yours mostly and by mostly I mean we'll agree onto which small pockets I'll keep as 'Small Coastal City-Colonies'. :-D, welcome back.

I confirm this transfer. TREMBLE, MORTALS!

Noted.

Parthini;12447185']Ok, I thought of what I want:

19 (Rio Grande do Norte)
6 (Ceara)
17 (Piaui)

If it's ok!

And what would I need to do next?

Noted...Now you have to bow down and worship me as your lord and savior...if that isn't doable just have a glass of water ;) and play

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OK/SL [Post 18890]: Land transferred.
Pushka [Post 18894]: Land transferred.
Pantheaa/Nerotika [Post 18895]: Land transferred.
Cotland [Post 18905]: Thread up.
Soviet Trasa [Post 18941]: Thread up.
Pys/Azi [Post 19069]: Land transferred. Welcome to E2.
Parthini [Post 19071]: Land given. Welcome to E2.






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The COH has decided to recognize Soviet Trasa and has signed a Provisional Trade Agreement with them.

Wtf is "E2 Population"?

Its the population you RP on EII, for example my NS population is around 4 billion, my EII population is 750 million. So if you only control a small patch of land you won't have billions living on it.

*It's Trensk in EII Hirgizstan*

The Trenskian Government confirms the Provisional Trade Agreement.

Everyone has so much fun when I'm not around. Spring break at the end of the week, I'll be able to get back to RPing. Welcome back Azimeth. Fuck, a nuclear war, what else has been going on?

Well, I want to wait until we come with a definite border for my returned Imperial Republic so I can be sure of how much land I'll be getting so I can maximize the amount of people I have. If all goes well, I was thinking somewhere around 150 - 200 million.

Name: The Republic of Tropico
Government: Benevolent Dictatorship
Economy: Free-Market
Population: 60,000,000

Parthini;12451207']Name: The Republic of Tropico
Government: Benevolent Dictatorship
Economy: Free-Market
Population: 60,000,000

The Empire is proud to be the first nation to recognize the sovereignty of the Republic of Tropico. We hope that future relations can be furthered greatly.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs

EDIT- Psychotika, if you see this I did get your TG...it's just too late for me to get back to it at the moment. I'll respond sometime tomorrow.

I don't suppose anyone here watches cricket? I don't, its boring, annoying and English. But right now there is a Cricket World Cup going on in Jamaica, and a couple of weird things have happend. First, England got thrashed by Canada...yes...Canada. And, much more importantly ;), Ireland...where cricket is as rare as a non-alcoholic...beat the former World Cup Champions, Pakistan! The Pakistanis happen to be one of the worlds best cricket teams...and we beat them... on St. Patrick's day...doesn't it just make ya want more Guiness and a big green hat?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Canada actually lost to England, and lost badly (http://cricketworldcup.indya.com/scores/html/live/enca1803.html). I was beginning to wonder why I- being in Toronto- didn't hear about it (because I probably would have) so I decided to check it out. The Canadians are 0-2 in their first-ever Cricket World Cup, having already lost to Kenya. How much play is the CWC getting here in Toronto? Put it to you this way: today, the big story was whether or not Tomas Kaberle would suit up for the Toronto Maple Leafs against the New Jersey Devils and Cam Janssen, who decked Kaberle violently a few weeks ago (this would be a hockey story- for the record, Kaberle didn't play, but the Leafs did win, keeping them in the race to qualify for the right to get decked in the first round of the playoffs). The Toronto Star actually has a reporter covering the event in Jamaica and he actually wrote a few pieces about cricket in the leadup to the tournament, but the CWC is always buried deep in the paper (on the third last page, albeit with a colour photo), and the cricket articles were always in the back; and this is an event Canada is actually in. Conversely, the World Cup- which Canada has not qualified for since 1986 (their only appearance)- is always front-page news. Cricket hasn't yet hit the status of soccer yet here in Canada and that says a lot- soccer is also always buried, but at least it's covered on a weekly basis and their writer actually writes a piece once a week (he's a nitwit, but that's a different matter). Sad? Maybe...but that's just reality, I guess.

The day I understand cricket is the day I will shoot myself because I will have understood the most complex thing in the world...

It really isn't that complex...it's basically baseball only that there's two bases and runners keep running between them until they're thrown out. I know there's more to it than that- but those are the basic rules. Cricket as a game isn't more complex than any other sport, which, subsquently, could also be considered "complex"- think about it: baseball has things like the strike zone (an inexact science), the infield fly rule, the foul-strike rule, rules regarding baserunning, etc.; hockey has all those penalties (whose definitions should be clear, but our referees don't show a uniform knowledge of them), offsides, icing, etc.; American football also has all those penalties...I could go on but the fact remains that if you watched a cricket match without *any* prior knowledge of the rules it should be pretty easy to figure out what a positive and negative result is. Just like any other sport.

To qualify, I am *not* a cricket fan nor do I actually watch it...I've heard games take all day, so I'm not sure if I have *that* kind of patience...but I used to think it was complex until it was actually explained to me by a cricket fan...then I realized it's really not that hard to understand. It just gets that reputation because a lot of the terms used in cricket are just so...well, odd. A pitcher is a bowler, batters are batsmen, being struck out is an over and to record an over without hitting for a single run is to record a "duck". To finish, I'll just quote Karl-Eric Reif and Jeff Z. Klein: "(cricket players) know how to reverse sweep a bodyline googly to silly mid-off with the best of 'em." ("The Death of Hockey", 1998...they might even have that quotation off because they're not cricket writers (they were writing in the context of hockey being "a world sport"), but I figured that quote better described what I think most people feel about cricket than I could).

Parthini;12451207']Name: The Republic of Tropico
Government: Benevolent Dictatorship
Economy: Free-Market
Population: 60,000,000

The Realm recognize the Republic of Tropico, and wishes to open more formal diplomatic and trade relations at the earliest possible convenience.

[signed]
The Realm

I HAVE S.T.A.L.K.E.R. BITCHES!!!

I GOT IT AT 12:48 P.M. TODAY (OFFICIAL SALE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BEGIN UNTIL 2:00 P.M. BUT I'M GOOD)..

IF YOU NEED TO REACH ME YOU ARE ASSED OUT... :)

Shit...I'll have to wait a week before my paycheck comes in to get it. Damn you Devlin!

(Better tell me how it is...if it sucks, I'll spend the pay check on that genocide trip to Ukraine.)

Shit...I'll have to wait a week before my paycheck comes in to get it. Damn you Devlin!

(Better tell me how it is...if it sucks, I'll spend the pay check on that genocide trip to Ukraine.)

No need for the genocide...trying to find where it puts the screenshots. By the way the names are Russian and they talk in Russian (except when you talk to them, then it's English).

Found the dir...

Yay, one of the few times when knowing both Russian and english will be a significant advantage.

Yay, one of the few times when knowing both Russian and english will be a significant advantage.

Yeah they're talking and laughing and singing and I haven't a clue what they're saying...Trading is fun.

Parthini;12451207']Name: The Republic of Tropico
Government: Benevolent Dictatorship
Economy: Free-Market
Population: 60,000,000

OOC- LOL Tropico is a fun game but its really easy

IC-

The Kingdom of Pantheaa formally recognizes the Republic of Tropico and will be glad to assist the young state in whatever it needs. We would also be honored to participate in a embassy exchange as well a free trade agreement

OOC: Lay, can you take me off Decree 13?

Can someone fill me in on what's happened in my absence?

IC: The Divine Empire of Kreynoria would be pleased to extend its recognition to the Republic of Tropico.

OOC: Hehe, yeah. Possibly my favorite game.

IC: The Republic thanks those who have recognized the fledgeling nation and will accept all aid given to it in all forms. Tropico also wishes to discuss free-trade agreements with other nations in order to bring in more wealth to our budding republic.

I am officially done with the final version of my Cherep IFV picture:

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8011/untitled45245ht9.png

notes:

Buttom squares are side skirts, up from them the trapezoids are heavy ERA, the flaming skull on the front is the Insignia/unit markings of the 1st Gvardia, 3rd Tank corpus. The shield and the star is my original symbol of Russian Federation armed forces. The numbers up top are the identification numbers for that particular vehicle. Russian Federation flag, the tri-color and the soldering bear are the flag of Russian Federation that I RP on EII. Both the shield and the skull are magnetic stickers that may be removed quickly if the operation calls for it.

Yeah, im the man.

Soon I'll be redoing the write up, basically just the armor layout and a few other minor details.

and the variant with the cages:

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9831/untitled1213bt1.png

and a little less cages:

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7152/untitled34256is0.png

and the silhouette drawing that I am sure to abuse somewhere.

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6914/untitled343453456rc3.png

More S.T.A.L.K.E.R. pics posted...

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8490/adfasgxk4.png

My company logo.

and another of the better quality pics:

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5187/untitled102ai0.png

I'd just like to say:

I GOT STALKER- RADIATION EDITION, BITCHES!
STEEL CASE, SURVIVAL GUIDE, EXCLUSIVE DVD, ZONE MAP AND UNLOCKABLE MULTIPLAYER MAPS AND SKINS!
OOOOH YEAH!

Meh, fuck, I still got a week to wait....damn you, damn you all!!

I'd just like to say:

I GOT STALKER- RADIATION EDITION, BITCHES!
STEEL CASE, SURVIVAL GUIDE, EXCLUSIVE DVD, ZONE MAP AND UNLOCKABLE MULTIPLAYER MAPS AND SKINS!
OOOOH YEAH!

:'(

I don't have a good enough PC to play STALKER. Damn it... what's the specs? I might just go out and buy a good enough PC if I have the cash! ARGH!!!!

fuck...store opening postponed till April 10th....damn it...no paycheck till than.

I'd just like to say:

I GOT STALKER- RADIATION EDITION, BITCHES!
STEEL CASE, SURVIVAL GUIDE, EXCLUSIVE DVD, ZONE MAP AND UNLOCKABLE MULTIPLAYER MAPS AND SKINS!
OOOOH YEAH!

We don't have that here I don't think, I just got the regular edition but I got both "unlock" codes to get the special features. There are two right or is there more?

Push, could you post the image things on Imageshack? Those are awfully big and really throw the screen out of whack. It's usually option 1 for stuff and has the URL with the pic and the black bar @ the bottom with the pic size?

k, i'll get around to it, getting drunk in a second here.

Get STALKER. Being drunk in the game is fun the screen goes all around and you fall into shit.

Sorry I disappeared for awhile. Got in some trouble and shit, suspision of marijuana usage as school. Got suspended but whatever it was kinda funny at the time. Apparently my math sense was hightend at that moment ^.^

Anyway, cotland just hold on i'll get the post in soon and you can do whatever, as for everyone else, I have no threads involving you so shoo.

Sorry I disappeared for awhile. Got in some trouble and shit, suspision of marijuana usage as school. Got suspended but whatever it was kinda funny at the time. Apparently my math sense was hightend at that moment ^.^

Anyway, cotland just hold on i'll get the post in soon and you can do whatever, as for everyone else, I have no threads involving you so shoo.

Not good dude not good.

On the lighter side though, I am going to make a post in Cot's thread with a new unit that has been created [albeit it's been in the Empire since the 1990s (early '90s)].

Since I really haven't been too active and am sort of losing interest in the whole roleplaying thing, I think I'll quit Earth II and hand over my territories to more active members.

Saint Lazare can have first dibs on Karnataka and Tamil Nadu.
Lay, you get first dibs on Kuwait, Qatar, and the Johnston Atoll.
The Crozet Islands will be open to anyone that wants them.

Thanks for the opportunity, guys, and sorry I couldn't be a little more active.

Sorry to see you go Koryan.


I call dibs on the Crozet Islands.

If lay doesnt want the gulf territories, il take em, <<< this is an official contesting of the territory, i think i can do that. *is confused and runs off to eat some chocolate*

Hmm.... I give up my claim on the Crozet Islands, and instead I urge SL to check his TGs and send a hopefully positive reply back.

I'll take India (Karnataka, Tamil Nadu)

-edit-

*Reads Koryan's post.*

blast it.

Since I really haven't been too active and am sort of losing interest in the whole roleplaying thing, I think I'll quit Earth II and hand over my territories to more active members.

Saint Lazare can have first dibs on Karnataka and Tamil Nadu.
Lay, you get first dibs on Kuwait, Qatar, and the Johnston Atoll.
The Crozet Islands will be open to anyone that wants them.

Thanks for the opportunity, guys, and sorry I couldn't be a little more active.

Damn Koryan I hate to see you go but you are welcome back whenever you want :). I'll take those territories for sure. Don't know what I'll do with them yet but for now I'll grab a hold onto them.

Damn Koryan I hate to see you go but you are welcome back whenever you want :). I'll take those territories for sure. Don't know what I'll do with them yet but for now I'll grab a hold onto them.

I could always do with some more oil contracts in those areas.

I could always do with some more oil contracts in those areas.

Yo Hirgizstan could get online for a bit on MSN.

Global Stability Organization

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12465306#post12465306

Lay add that thread please. And yeah, I made the GSO flag...well except for the dove but I had to patch it up it was fucked up.

Lay can you put up a sub-forum for GSO on forsaken?

LOL, wow this is the greatest thing I have seen in awhile.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge-Neon-SXT-POKEMOBILE-Neon-COVERED-in-Pokemon-cards-MUST-SEE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6204QQihZ018QQitemZ280090012383QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD#ebayphotohosting

Just look at it and laugh. You know you need a good laugh sometimes and this outta give you one.

BEHOLD THE POKEMON NEON CAR. This is why we have to catch them all, so we can make cars out of them.

Since I really haven't been too active and am sort of losing interest in the whole roleplaying thing, I think I'll quit Earth II and hand over my territories to more active members.

Saint Lazare can have first dibs on Karnataka and Tamil Nadu.
Lay, you get first dibs on Kuwait, Qatar, and the Johnston Atoll.
The Crozet Islands will be open to anyone that wants them.

Thanks for the opportunity, guys, and sorry I couldn't be a little more active.

I'll take it :) with modifications:

I will consider rendering Tamil Nadu, although I think I will want to own Karnataka.

LAY - WHEN RTL GOING TO START UP AGAIN? Simeone is probably going to be assimilated to being a Lay citizen by the time we start up again!!!

And I accept the territory SL's giving me.


On a different note, Nero's officially a double-crossing SOB, and I shall look forward to totally destroying him in the field of battle.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12466444#post12466444

Операция Витязь

And I accept the territory SL's giving me.


On a different note, Nero's officially a double-crossing SOB, and I shall look forward to totally destroying him in the field of battle.

Well you did kind of take his land without any provocation...also, we will stand behind him if you attempt to take more of his land.

Squornshelous is reborn. The Mediterranean Republic will reunite with what remains of Squornshelan Canada (mainland Northwest Territory and Nunavut) as the United Squornshelan Republic, with its capital in Malta.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12466678
ooc:
Yay! Jolt finally fixed the auto-login!

EDIT: and let's bump my E2 population up to a mil and a half

"You know who is going to inherit the earth? Arms Dealers, because everyone else is too busy killing eachother. That's the secret to survival. Never go to war...

Espcially with your self."

--- Nicholas Cage as Yuri Orlov from "The Lord of War"

That movie gets at me each time I watch it, I love it.

Squornshelous is reborn. The Mediterranean Republic will reunite with what remains of Squornshelan Canada (mainland Northwest Territory and Nunavut) as the United Squornshelan Republic, with its capital in Malta.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12466678
ooc:
Yay! Jolt finally fixed the auto-login!

EDIT: and let's bump my E2 population up to a mil and a half

Yay, your back! >.>!!

First, Cotland. That was not a public notice so basically I have not officially double crossed you. What I had planned was a total assault before you had time to act. Its a legitimate military maneuver, if you had read carefully I had specifically laid out the entire plans right before your eyes. But without the time I cannot even try. Trust me though if I did have the time you would be up for the fight of your life cause I had a full plan to repel you. Guess I'll just reserve this for any future attacks, check you TG's.

Also, pys. I dont know if your computers able to play games yet or if you have the time, but we need a sub for tommorrows match in place of Jeiting so if you want to get in please do cause we would fuck some people up in a 2 man team.

I havn't seen North Germania for awhile, anyone seen him lately?

"You know who is going to inherit the earth? Arms Dealers, because everyone else is too busy killing eachother. That's the secret to survival. Never go to war...

Espcially with your self."

--- Nicholas Cage as Yuri Orlov from "The Lord of War"

That movie gets at me each time I watch it, I love it.

Great movie, saw it in theaters, own he DVD, watched it about 6 times never gets old.

Well I beat S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 1 ending down 6 to go!

Well I beat S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 1 ending down 6 to go!

Wow that was quick...either it's real easy or you just put in a lot of time...:p

Sorry for the rather extended disappearance guys, I started a new job recently and things have been hectic (it's nothing special really, but there are a lot of procedures to memorise and such). Anyhoo, I should be settled into a routine soon and then I can properly get back into things.

Just one thought though, regarding this GSO of Pushka's......why do all of these organisations get based in Voronej? I know it's Pushka's capital, but it just evokes an impression of yet another VCO. For the meantime, the UER shall steer clear and evaluate the possibility of membership application.

While we're being quiet, our nuclear arsenal shall be regularly inspected, so don't start on us. Any attempts by anyone to frame the other alliance and thereby trick us into joining yours will result in...well, there might be a bit of a mess to clean up.

Wow that was quick...either it's real easy or you just put in a lot of time...:p

Of the 4 levels of difficulty I was playing on level 2...

Sorry for the rather extended disappearance guys, I started a new job recently and things have been hectic (it's nothing special really, but there are a lot of procedures to memorise and such). Anyhoo, I should be settled into a routine soon and then I can properly get back into things.

Just one thought though, regarding this GSO of Pushka's......why do all of these organisations get based in Voronej? I know it's Pushka's capital, but it just evokes an impression of yet another VCO. For the meantime, the UER shall steer clear and evaluate the possibility of membership application.

While we're being quiet, our nuclear arsenal shall be regularly inspected, so don't start on us. Any attempts by anyone to frame the other alliance and thereby trick us into joining yours will result in...well, there might be a bit of a mess to clean up.

Well GSO is a bit different from VCO but personally I don't view VCO as anything bad, it failed and that is not good, the evil of TOA was allowed to stay but that doesn't mean that we should forget the fact that VCO has ever existed. GSO as I said is differet, GSO's objective is to preserve peace (and possibly basic human rights) if we have to cooperate with TOA to accomplish our objective we will, if we have to battle against TOA we will also.

No offense but I really don't think that you should join GSO, you weren't committed enough to VCO and you most likely won't be commited enough to this alliance. As of now we only have very committed members, none of which will pull a "Mari" or a "Bjornia" on me and thats the way I'd like to keep it. No reason we can't be allies outside of GSO though as you and I already are.

Well GSO is a bit different from VCO but personally I don't view VCO as anything bad, it failed and that is not good, the evil of TOA was allowed to stay but that doesn't mean that we should forget the fact that VCO has ever existed. GSO as I said is differet, GSO's objective is to preserve peace (and possibly basic human rights) if we have to cooperate with TOA to accomplish our objective we will, if we have to battle against TOA we will also.

No offense but I really don't think that you should join GSO, you weren't committed enough to VCO and you most likely won't be commited enough to this alliance. As of now we only have very committed members, none of which will pull a "Mari" or a "Bjornia" on me and thats the way I'd like to keep it. No reason we can't be allies outside of GSO though as you and I already are.
This alliance doesn't really bode well, you going from the start with your ancient and, quite frankly, boring "TOA is teh evil!!!1!!!!SHIFT+1" routine and all. Change the record already! I'm tired of your unsubstanciated ranting about how the TOA is "evil". Prove it. Provide just one piece of unquestionable proof that the alliance as a whole is an evil alliance. I challenge you.

Well GSO is a bit different from VCO but personally I don't view VCO as anything bad, it failed and that is not good, the evil of TOA was allowed to stay but that doesn't mean that we should forget the fact that VCO has ever existed. GSO as I said is differet, GSO's objective is to preserve peace (and possibly basic human rights) if we have to cooperate with TOA to accomplish our objective we will, if we have to battle against TOA we will also.

No offense but I really don't think that you should join GSO, you weren't committed enough to VCO and you most likely won't be commited enough to this alliance. As of now we only have very committed members, none of which will pull a "Mari" or a "Bjornia" on me and thats the way I'd like to keep it. No reason we can't be allies outside of GSO though as you and I already are.

So is GSO yet another attempt to get a bunch of people on your side to act as cannon fodder while you coax TOA into attacking you for some ungodly reason?

No offense but I really don't think that you should join GSO, you weren't committed enough to VCO and you most likely won't be commited enough to this alliance. As of now we only have very committed members, none of which will pull a "Mari" or a "Bjornia" on me and thats the way I'd like to keep it. No reason we can't be allies outside of GSO though as you and I already are.

No offense taken, the truth is you're probably right. TOA has always been quite fair with the UER, so there's no massive incentive for the UER to fight them. Anyhoo, good luck with it all.

Of the 4 levels of difficulty I was playing on level 2...

That's pretty impressive...to beat it that quickly at that level is quite the accomplishment.

That's pretty impressive...to beat it that quickly at that level is quite the accomplishment.

Playing on "master" is the real thing...

Playing on "master" is the real thing...

Level 2 isn't bad. Level 1...maybe I'd see how you could beat it so quickly, but Level 2 is something else.

Level 2 isn't bad. Level 1...maybe I'd see how you could beat it so quickly, but Level 2 is something else.

LOL some of those bastards are impossible. On level 4 right, I hit the soldier guys dead square, point blank range with 2 shots out of a 12 gauge shotgun right dead square and they were still alive!

LOL some of those bastards are impossible. On level 4 right, I hit the soldier guys dead square, point blank range with 2 shots out of a 12 gauge shotgun right dead square and they were still alive!

Hmmmmnnn....I'm thinking that's goddmodding, don't you think? :D

Hmmmmnnn....I'm thinking that's goddmodding, don't you think? :D

Just a little bit...

Just a little bit...

LOL...did you eventually get the guy?

LOL...did you eventually get the guy?

Yeah I crept up on him and shottied him in the head twice more and took his AKS-74U.

My one problem with games is the unrealism of weapons. Only one game ever gets it right, even down to ammunition innacuracies. The game was Operation Flashpoint, and the sequel was recently released, ArmA: Armed Assault. It ain't for any old FPS fan though, its a war sim a version of which the US Marines and others use. If you shoot someone one shot will usually kill them, if it doesn't it will hurt them so they can't shoot straight or make it so they can't do anything but crawl. That rarely happens though, one shot, one kill nearly all the time.

In STALKER though, I do like the way the guns jam, thats quite good.

Ooo auto login works yay...

Anyways -

America's Army does it pretty well, however you can tell they purposely made it a bit loose so people would think "Oh, in the Army it's easy to shoot an M4A1."

The guns irl do jam a shit load due to people being too lazy to maintain them completely and correctly, however in AA you will have the unfortunate jam. It seems the JAMMING occurance, however, has been lowered. Because I've gone into full auto firefights, and not have a jam. Maybe once towards the end, but then again me and my cousin are always playing a two-man team so he just Carbine'Snipes whoever is left.

However, I haven't really played the maps I remember the jam being frequent on. There is this one Sandy map, called Radio Tower, and the Objectives are as followed -

TEAM DEFENSE -

Prevent the Insurgents from Sabotaging Local Weapons Cache, From Rescueing Captured Insurgent, and from Destroying the Generator *for the radio*.

TEAM ASSAULT -

Rescue POW, Destroy Insurgency Weapons Cache, Cease All Radio Activity *IE Blow the fuck out of the Generator*.

I remember when I first started playing, this was MY map...my FAVORITE map. People would snipe like crazy, well the snipers that had the sniper rifle of course. There was this bombed out house with a hill off and away that had the perfect scrimmage point. Snipers and Grenadiers *Assault Rifles with Grenade Attachment* would basically pepper this house, for it was our only protection unless you risked it and went around for a blind dash for the radio.

I would always usually take the house, and sort of camp it out and because I was a noob at this point...I really didn't bother pulling off long rage shots with out a real scope. But, one day, this probably saved me. I stood in a corner, I heard the arabic for FRAG OUT or whatever. Large explosion above me, I could hear a MEDIC from just outside and a few AK shots and the sound of a body plummeting. Three guys playing Defense, or the OPFOR for me, went up the ramp of course I believe to look for extra sniper rifles. I came up and around them, killed those guys in close proximity *Oh I wish that map allowed you to carry a suppresor, or atleast a pistol...thanks the new patch sort of makes it realistic with field armament*, etc. They're dead, I pick up the sniper rifle and literally sling it to my back, I come back down and survey my surroundings with the sights on my M4A1's Acox, and tab.

Everyone on my team but me is dead. Okay, that's great. Adrenaline rush now, I'm being counted on and at the same time being yelled at I bet. I take a route, it's sort of in the shade so I know I have partial cover, and I hit a tunnel entrance. I go down it, run about and find the POW. I rescue him, and it triggers the "POW Rescued" for my side and "Insurgency Leader Rescued" for my OPFOR. I went to look around for a ladder or something, and ended up takeing my self half way across the map. I figured everyone must be in the tunnels by now hunting me down, so I take a mad dash across open desert *was sniper bait basically* and got into the building with the generator. Well, I was thinking the weapons cache would be around here too but I was wrong. I sort of have to go way across Desert again to reach it, okay that'll be fun.

So, I'm at the Generator thinking to my self how the hell do I destroy it. I literally thought I needed explosives or something, and so I'm up there and I think me and another little gamer just flip out. I heard footsteps comming from underneath, however I think they heard me running around the upstairs looking for something I may need to blow the generator with. So, I hear a tink tink *no real FRAG OUT* and a puff of smoke emerges. I think I'm screwed, however this guy or how many it was *I only kill one, however from the rate I was being shot at there had to be another rifleman who got away* isn't very bright. He goes up into the smoke, fires some random rounds. I take a hit, my first injury in the round, and I go crazy. I open fire, me being exposed really but they can't see shit as they're actually IN the smoke.

A fourth of the way through the round, a jam. I got one of the guys, but a jam. I freaked out, I hear something rummaging *don't know if the body's rag doll affects were going off or what, but I took it as my queue to hit the high road.* Well, even though I'm a medic you can't bandage your self. So I'm sort of screwed, I think, never taking a wound that degraded me from green to yellow simply by bleeding. My walk/run/sprint speed is reduced by a bit. Oh well, I sort of wait it out in this one room, across the roof and well I was still on a roof but I had climbed a ladder to such roof. I had the sniper rifle I picked up laying out, bipod deployed and was looking around. In the far off distance there was two guys climbing out of the same tunnel hole I had taken to get to the POW. At this point my paranoia kicks in and tells me to check my back but I decide not too, perfect oppurtunity.

Well, first shot had to be lucky as hell. I...I was lucky as hell. I centered my shot, in prone with 2x or 4x can't rmember and a bipod deployed. Inbetween my breath, just like I learned in Virtual Boot Camp, and I clicked that mouse button. I swear, for me, there was nothing sweeter than the sound of that rifle, be it a virtual rifle, and this guy's head temporarily turning into a blood mist and then flying face first into the sand *atleast, what was let of his face*. Note, they were running TOWARDS where I ran from to get to this tunnel earlier in this post. The other guy stopped, just stopped and looked at the guy. I was centering my shot as he ran to the body, I guess to grab the rifle, and I fired. Hit, but not a fatal hit. Okay, two loud noises comming from the radio tower. One is a FRAG OUT in Arabicanese, and another one is an actual explosion. Both near-by, and my hearing is ringy *my virtual guy's hearing, that is*.

So, literally dump the rifle and pull out my M4. One problem, I forgot to fix my jam. So, I wait for Virtual dude to fix his virtual rifle's virtual jam, and I sort of camp it out, I go into a crouch but a bullet whizzes past so I decide to stay prone. These guys atleast know it's dumb to climb up a ladder with a guy's muzzle basically kissing the air above it's final step. I look around me, and towards a mountain cliff sort of thing. More or less, it's a rather large sand dune/hill. I think to my self, and go into a "Always time for a first mode" and I sort of slide off to the side none of them could see, and hit a slope which I slid down to a non-cruncing ending. Went around the house and found my favorite entrance, a stair case going up stairs from the outside and the fact I could see the two guys sort of ready to converge on my ladder. I give them a false sense of security that I'm still up there, and sort of go up and around for a better shot since I love to spray and pay because it seems to piss people off when pulled off 'tactfully'.

Today, I would have done it in three or four shots. Then, I was 13. So, what the hell. I can waste almost an entire clip, well these two guys are dead. I look at my tab, two guys remaining. I'm thinking to my self, unless one guy is camping....because I know another guy is running around about to bleed to death or with a very severe wound. This leaves me with a one shot kill, and a guy who could still be in green. I can't see weapon classes, but if I re-call...

First guy - His rate of fire, before I heard a second rifle in the smoke screen battle, wasn't anything more than an AK-47. The second guy, whom I'm sure there was a second OPFOR in this battle, had the same rate of fire. Besides, if he had an RPK he would have gone rambo on my ass. Anyways, the third guy *my second kill* from the looks had something larger than an AK. It also explains why the guy who I severely wounded would grab his comrade's gun, fully aware that there is a sniper about to make silly puddy of his ass too. So, I assume he now holds an RPK. He's too far away to get to my position, and as far as he knows I'm still sniping that hole so he won't bother. At this moment, he's more than likely going up on the hill near the house to get a vantage point to binoc my position for his other teammate, or he's going to a house in the far back with another tunnel entry way. *Where I ran too, underground wise, to get to the POW and then ran back to the radar house*.

And this is me - Clueless as to destroy the Radar Station, and no clue where the Cache is at. So...my only option is too...eliminate the last two OPFOR.

Now, this post was sort of random and long...hope y'all read it. If you want to hear the ending, let me know....


*I thought it was appropriate with the JAM talk and FPS realism talk, so yea...sorry for the lengthyness.*

Hey Lay, Pushka, have you seen this:

http://www.stalker.jolt.co.uk/index.php?action=show&id=10630

It would have been so much better had they actually allowed you to use the vehicles. Looks like they need to update their website! I sincerely hope vehicles will eventually come along in an add-on or something, the distances are too big to walk sometimes.

300 Fucking rocked...

Anyways, I love how these guys look like *The Persian Immortals*

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/300/gallery.php?page=27&size=hires&nopop=1

I don't see the TOZ-34 and I wish it was still in there. Pushka got annihilated by that a few times :).

I don't see the TOZ-34 and I wish it was still in there. Pushka got annihilated by that a few times :).

What the hell is TOZ-34 and if you tried to annihilate me with it why aren't you dead yet? Oh...STALKER? Yes....I see. All they need to do is give us more grenades and I'll be owning in that game..

Saw 300 today, liked it very much.

Squornshelous is reborn. The Mediterranean Republic will reunite with what remains of Squornshelan Canada (mainland Northwest Territory and Nunavut) as the United Squornshelan Republic, with its capital in Malta.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12466678
ooc:
Yay! Jolt finally fixed the auto-login!

EDIT: and let's bump my E2 population up to a mil and a half

*pokes Lay*

That reminds me, went to see 300. Not bad, but it must be the first film to ever be shot mostly in slow motion.

My one problem with games is the unrealism of weapons. Only one game ever gets it right, even down to ammunition innacuracies. The game was Operation Flashpoint, and the sequel was recently released, ArmA: Armed Assault. It ain't for any old FPS fan though, its a war sim a version of which the US Marines and others use. If you shoot someone one shot will usually kill them, if it doesn't it will hurt them so they can't shoot straight or make it so they can't do anything but crawl. That rarely happens though, one shot, one kill nearly all the time.

In STALKER though, I do like the way the guns jam, thats quite good.

Operation Flashpoint is a classic, loved that game
Told you all 300 was awesome, i saw it twice already...Plus the fact that Iran is pissed off with the movie gives you even more reason to see it

That reminds me, went to see 300. Not bad, but it must be the first film to ever be shot mostly in slow motion.

Eh? Forgetting the Matrix are we? Not the good first part the shitty second and third parts.

EDIT

Lay now that I am no longer addicted to KOTOR I need to talk to you about creating a sub-forum for the GSO on theforsakenoutlaw if that is at all possible. I kind of need some private space for the alliance to work, a place there we can vote on the issues and what note without everyone looking at us.

'AND SO THE SUN SHALL FALL ON THOSE WHO NO LONGER DESERVE ITS LIGHT'

OPERATION SUNFALL:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522476

Havent updated alot because its been low on my priority list. However with a vaca only days away expect numerous updates. Also I've been keeping up to date, I just dont have the time to sit and bang out good writing at the moment. Keep an eye though, itll start up again.

TOA, if its war you want, you'll get war and you'll be sorry.

Sort of makes me unsettled that it is Sunfall, and I'm the Rising Sun.

Anyways, everybody *I mean everyone, not just a group of people* watch out for -

.::Moonlight Shines on the Guilty and Innocent Alike::.

Alright I am doing an update now. Kuwait will be transferred to Ottoman Khaif and so will Qatar as I really don't have any use for Arab territories...I will claim Johnston Atoll though, which is not claimed by anyone.

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Alright I am doing an update now. Kuwait will be transferred to Ottoman Khaif and so will Qatar as I really don't have any use for Arab territories...I will claim Johnston Atoll though, which is not claimed by anyone.

Alright I confirm this deal.

Eh Lay, how do I get to the forums you've created?

Eh Lay, how do I get to the forums you've created?

Hmm I don't think I edited the group permissions, I'll have to fix that... [fixed]

Can you give me the power to add people to the group?

@Nerotika, Panthea, Pyschotika:

Check GSO forums on theforsakenoutlaw, I added all of you.

Even as a member of the GSO the USR will remain nuetral in this oncoming conflict. It is the responsibilty of the nation to protects its own borders I believe was told to us when cotland invaded and so we will follow that rule. The Federation must defend itself and no military aide will be sent in. The GSO cannot risk a full sclae conflict right at its birth and if that is the TOA's intintions here they will not succeed. Good luck to the federation it is quite obvious they will need it.

Encrypted Communique to USR

We have the power to defend our own, however the relief as in any war against any opponent would be preferable, if such is your stance then so be it. I do believe however that such an action interferes with the law of the charter and thus is grounds for expulsion. The situation with the unprovoked invasion of your lands by Cotland was different in the sense that it was over before the charter of the alliance was crafted and your nation has become its member. Make your choice, we are a beacon of light in the dark world controlled by the OA, we will prevail with your help or without it. We will fight for our land, we will fight for our soul, we will fight for our heritage and we will win.

-Igor Stepanov
President of Russian Federation

Encrypted Communique to USR

We have the power to defend our own, however the relief as in any war against any opponent would be preferable, if such is your stance then so be it. I do believe however that such an action interferes with the law of the charter and thus is grounds for expulsion. The situation with the unprovoked invasion of your lands by Cotland was different in the sense that it was over before the charter of the alliance was crafted and your nation has become its member. Make your choice, we are a beacon of light in the dark world controlled by the OA, we will prevail with your help or without it. We will fight for our land, we will fight for our soul, we will fight for our heritage and we will win.

-Igor Stepanov
President of Russian Federation
Am I the only one who is seeing history repeat itself here (read: VCO...)?

Am I the only one who is seeing history repeat itself here (read: VCO...)?

Not really.

VCO is when EVERYONE backed down at the site of a threat.

You, sir, also seem to repeat history. Always sticking to big words, never to any actual witty comments.

As for my self, I've been quite bussy in life.

The Empire hereby announces the following changes, effective immediately, to its foreign policy:

1. The Empire hereby severs all diplomatic relations with The Commonwealth of Asia and removes its 2,500 citizen travel quota back down to 0.

2. The Empire hereby issues a 5,000 citizen travel quota to Tropico, pending approval from the Tropican government. We hope that this move will bring us closer together, eventually establishing an embassy in Tropico and Layarteb City.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs

Am I the only one who is seeing history repeat itself here (read: VCO...)?

OOC: Not really, Nero isn't pulling a Mari on me, he is trying to play with your mind but I explained to him that is not necessary. Plus this is different, you are the clear aggressor in this conflict, you are the evil and we are those who will defeat you and non can claim otherwise. Either way can I get a god damn explanation on what the hell is going on with operation Sunfall? Why the hell would you attack us without provocation? Why the hell would it be now? You do realize that I will not stop until TOA is defeated or I am defeated in which case all TOA nations will be just a stretch of nuclear wasteland, I am not getting kicked out of EII without taking the Evil and Co. (aka TOA) with me.

OOC: Not really, Nero isn't pulling a Mari on me, he is trying to play with your mind but I explained to him that is not necessary. Plus this is different, you are the clear aggressor in this conflict, you are the evil and we are those who will defeat you and non can claim otherwise. Either way can I get a god damn explanation on what the hell is going on with operation Sunfall? Why the hell would you attack us without provocation? Why the hell would it be now? You do realize that I will not stop until TOA is defeated or I am defeated in which case all TOA nations will be just a stretch of nuclear wasteland, I am not getting kicked out of EII without taking the Evil and Co. (aka TOA) with me.

ag·gres·sor /əˈgrɛsər/ –noun a person, group, or nation that attacks first or initiates hostilities; an assailant or invader.

Nobody has attacked anyone yet and nobody has initiated any hostilities yet.

So we're not aggressors...

Of course you are, but you are never going to admit it. Its your way of looking clever with those unnecessary mind games, really every one can see through them and if you start moving your forces towards my border, in casing my border and the conflict breaks out you are infact the aggressor, people with a brain will see that quite clearly, you're not that smart and we're not that stupid.

Of course you are, but you are never going to admit it. Its your way of looking clever with those unnecessary mind games, really every one can see through them and if you start moving your forces towards my border, in casing my border and the conflict breaks out you are infact the aggressor, people with a brain will see that quite clearly, you're not that smart and we're not that stupid.

If you can show me one instance where we, in this event, have clearly initiated hostilities towards you or have attacked you then, by all means, we'll be the aggressor but until then no we aren't. Everything we've done, thus far, is within our own sovereign territories or international waters/airspace. Do you think you own international airspace/water now that acting there is initiating a hostility towards you? I've seen no borders breached, no airspace breached, no territorial waters breached but if you can show me an instance then, by all means, go right ahead...

As I said before, play your games, everyone can see through them quite clearly. With your moves your building tension and expect me to react accordingly thus make the first move, you got a quite a wait ahead of you cause I am never going to do it, not this time. It shows how pathetic you guys are, instead of waging war (which is your intent in this case) you first have to provoke the other side into initiating the conflict thus fooling yourself into believing that you are not the aggressor, the Romans did the same exact thing to Carthage, its nothing new and its not at all complex, everyone can see through it. Why do you ignore me on aim?

As I said before, play your games, everyone can see through them quite clearly. With your moves your building tension and expect me to react accordingly thus make the first move, you got a quite a wait ahead of you cause I am never going to do it, not this time. It shows how pathetic you guys are, instead of waging war (which is your intent in this case) you first have to provoke the other side into initiating the conflict thus fooling yourself into believing that you are not the aggressor, the Romans did the same exact thing to Carthage, its nothing new and its not at all complex, everyone can see through it. Why do you ignore me on aim?

You seem quite certain of yourself, knowing our motives and all. Still doesn't answer Lay's challenge though...

Doesn't have to, I'll let you play your game, I will not get involved, I'll let you make the first move.

You are wrong Cot, I do understand your plan however I don't understand your motivations, this is unprovoked and unnecessary. As Igor Stepanov stated in the interview GSO was really going to try to find common ground with TOA because war is not stability, peace is stability and if the two world-ruling factions have peace then everyone can have peace while at the same time ensuring that no one faction will do anything like what you did to Nerotika aka unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation. We were also going to attempt to lay out basic human rights and attempt to inforce them, but hey, the evil can't let the good be can you?

As I said before, play your games, everyone can see through them quite clearly. With your moves your building tension and expect me to react accordingly thus make the first move, you got a quite a wait ahead of you cause I am never going to do it, not this time. It shows how pathetic you guys are, instead of waging war (which is your intent in this case) you first have to provoke the other side into initiating the conflict thus fooling yourself into believing that you are not the aggressor, the Romans did the same exact thing to Carthage, its nothing new and its not at all complex, everyone can see through it. Why do you ignore me on aim?

So you can't show "the world" an instance where we initiated hostilities or actually attacked you? So then, ergo, we aren't aggressors...Fun isn't it? As far as AIM goes, I'm not paying attention to AIM at all, I've got 8 IM windows open and haven't responded to any of them.

Doesn't have to, I'll let you play your game, I will not get involved, I'll let you make the first move.

Okay so you'll let us make the first move, hence no moves have been made, hence we cannot be aggressors, since no moves have been made because to aggress means "to commit the first act of hostility or offense; attack first." So if no moves have been made, hence no action, there can be no aggressor.

You are wrong Cot, I do understand your plan however I don't understand your motivations, this is unprovoked and unnecessary. As Igor Stepanov stated in the interview GSO was really going to try to find common ground with TOA because war is not stability, peace is stability and if the two world-ruling factions have peace then everyone can have peace while at the same time ensuring that no one faction will do anything like what you did to Nerotika aka unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation. We were also going to attempt to lay out basic human rights and attempt to inforce them, but hey, the evil can't let the good be can you?

Ehh it's funny that once you start the GSO you begin the "anti-TOA" rhetoric. Just like with the VCO you'll use them as cannon fodder, they'll leave you, and you'll be all alone. You only act tough when you have the VSO or GSO or XRO or QRF or AJB behind you and each and every time you find yourself alone because your allies eventually see that you're just using them to put a buffer between you and us so you can say whatever you want from the rear. When they disagree with you, you throw them out of the alliance or if they exercise some free will you toss them out.

After careful review the USR will comply with the GSO charter, any movement of TOA military forces or anything otherwise toward any nation will be seen as an act of agression and the USR will support any nation that is assaulted. We also see the cutting of diplomatic relations to the commonwealth of asia as a move that was not provoked or warned, if you are not planning something then why cut realtions with such an economic nation as the COA has been. You are digging yourself into a hole, you claim nothing is happening when every move you make proves it is, nothing is explained in your actions and yet you make them thinking we wont ask. Step one foot into GSO territory and neutral territory and the USR will see this as the act of aggression you want pointed out.

Or bully them into acting...

After careful review the USR will comply with the GSO charter, any movement of TOA military forces or anything otherwise toward any nation will be seen as an act of agression and the USR will support any nation that is assaulted. We also see the cutting of diplomatic relations to the commonwealth of asia as a move that was not provoked or warned, if you are not planning something then why cut realtions with such an economic nation as the COA has been. You are digging yourself into a hole, you claim nothing is happening when every move you make proves it is, nothing is explained in your actions and yet you make them thinking we wont ask. Step one foot into GSO territory and neutral territory and the USR will see this as the act of aggression you want pointed out.

After careful review the USR will comply with the GSO charter, any movement of TOA military forces or anything otherwise toward any nation will be seen as an act of agression and the USR will support any nation that is assaulted. We also see the cutting of diplomatic relations to the commonwealth of asia as a move that was not provoked or warned, if you are not planning something then why cut realtions with such an economic nation as the COA has been. You are digging yourself into a hole, you claim nothing is happening when every move you make proves it is, nothing is explained in your actions and yet you make them thinking we wont ask. Step one foot into GSO territory and neutral territory and the USR will see this as the act of aggression you want pointed out.

Actually the EOL never really traded with COA. We had a shaky diplomatic relationship, at best, with a 2,500 citizen travel quota, which was HEAVILY regulated and limited. We've been planning on doing that for a long time.

In an act of defense the USR has begun initializing its defense place, all prisoners will be given freedom in exchange for a four year military duty sign up. All prisoners that do not sign up will be transferred into work camps where a mass production of weapons, tanks and planes will begin after the proper teaching of how to build them to technological standards.

Also, when is the population freeze over cause I refuse to stay at this low number while it is obvious my population has increased with the newly aquired territories and the amount of time that has gone by.

In an act of defense the USR has begun initializing its defense place, all prisoners will be given freedom in exchange for a four year military duty sign up. All prisoners that do not sign up will be transferred into work camps where a mass production of weapons, tanks and planes will begin after the proper teaching of how to build them to technological standards.

Also, when is the population freeze over cause I refuse to stay at this low number while it is obvious my population has increased with the newly aquired territories and the amount of time that has gone by.

Reguarding the population freeze, I've been trying to find out an appropriate % number that would be able to give people like a monthly boost in population that would factor into newly acquired territories and annual population growth...I have, sadly, forgetten about it but thanks for reminding me.

your welcome.

The thing is though, I chose 23 mil when I held my original four territories. I dont think I changed it sence then even after taking the southern territories, koryan's territories (I think it was koryan I can remember) and most of Nueva rica's except for that bit I gave pantheaa.

http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=570

I finally got around to posting Project Apophis.

So you can't show "the world" an instance where we initiated hostilities or actually attacked you? So then, ergo, we aren't aggressors...Fun isn't it? As far as AIM goes, I'm not paying attention to AIM at all, I've got 8 IM windows open and haven't responded to any of them.

War is your intent, you can deny it all you want that ain't changing the truth.



Okay so you'll let us make the first move, hence no moves have been made, hence we cannot be aggressors, since no moves have been made because to aggress means "to commit the first act of hostility or offense; attack first." So if no moves have been made, hence no action, there can be no aggressor.

You are attempting to provoke me into making a move, however you are the ones building up tension, you are the ones attempting to wage war, you are the ones bringing war to my doorstep, you are the aggressors, it can be seen by anyone.

Ehh it's funny that once you start the GSO you begin the "anti-TOA" rhetoric. Just like with the VCO you'll use them as cannon fodder, they'll leave you, and you'll be all alone. You only act tough when you have the VSO or GSO or XRO or QRF or AJB behind you and each and every time you find yourself alone because your allies eventually see that you're just using them to put a buffer between you and us so you can say whatever you want from the rear. When they disagree with you, you throw them out of the alliance or if they exercise some free will you toss them out.

First of all, GSO is not intended to be anti-TOA as I have explained. The anti-TOA rhetoric has begun naturally, but what did you expect then you started moving your forces towards my borders? You expected me to welcome with open arms? Secondly, right now I am making moves to protect myself and my allies, they may wish to return the favor and they probably will but if they do not then so be it, I am fully capable of defending myself on my own. They are not cannon fodder, they simply see through your lies and see your true evil nature. VCO was different, it was composed of weak willed nations that could not make the sacrifice required to protect themselves and the world from the TOA. Atleast Pyschotika, Nero, Pantheaa and I are strong willed enough to see this through to the end once you start firing your guns. It is about time the good wins against evil, it is about time TOA is given a bloody nose.



Or bully them into acting...

You're not the one to talk all that TOA has done is bully the whole world into obliging their will. Im not bullying anyone, Nero is free to help or free not to help, I am seeing this through in any case.

GSO members, check the forums.

War is your intent, you can deny it all you want that ain't changing the truth.

You surmise too much from too little. Assumptions are the mother of all fuckups.

You are attempting to provoke me into making a move, however you are the ones building up tension, you are the ones attempting to wage war, you are the ones bringing war to my doorstep, you are the aggressors, it can be seen by anyone.

Provoke you? I haven't even begun that yet. Why jump ahead?

First of all, GSO is not intended to be anti-TOA as I have explained. The anti-TOA rhetoric has begun naturally, but what did you expect then you started moving your forces towards my borders? You expected me to welcome with open arms? Secondly, right now I am making moves to protect myself and my allies, they may wish to return the favor and they probably will but if they do not then so be it, I am fully capable of defending myself on my own. They are not cannon fodder, they simply see through your lies and see your true evil nature. VCO was different, it was composed of weak willed nations that could not make the sacrifice required to protect themselves and the world from the TOA. Atleast Pyschotika, Nero, Pantheaa and I are strong willed enough to see this through to the end once you start firing your guns. It is about time the good wins against evil, it is about time TOA is given a bloody nose.

Every alliance you have is an anti-TOA alliance. Sure they are cannon fodder. You only act tough when they're around you to act as a buffer. In a war, they'd be the first to go and you'd stay behind and let them take the heat and hope a peace deal worked out before forces got to your territories. It's fun when they all learn it and desert you like VCO did. But aren't the same members that were in VCO in GSO with the exception of Mari who knew enough not to be used as cannon fodder?


You're not the one to talk all that TOA has done is bully the whole world into obliging their will. Im not bullying anyone, Nero is free to help or free not to help, I am seeing this through in any case.

TOA has never bullied the world. Once again if one nation within TOA acts it isn't the alliance. This is actually a TOA effort not as was the plan to get you to stop the ice melting thing but aside from those two TOA has not acted as a whole unit in ages. Would you call the attack on Iraq in real life a NATO attack because the US & UK are involved? Obviously not because it isn't a NATO act. The same logic applies with TOA.

You surmise too much from too little. Assumptions are the mother of all fuckups.

Unless they are correct assumptions, unless you yourself don't know what you're doing.



Provoke you? I haven't even begun that yet. Why jump ahead?

I haven't really done anything ICly except get ready for it, but I know thats what its leading up too.



Every alliance you have is an anti-TOA alliance.

You assume to much their already. I had one anti-TOA alliance, GSO is not intended to be one, it was intended to stabilize the world, protect everyone's interests not only those of TOA members. If we could cooperate with TOA diplomatically to keep the peace we would, Stability is the purpose of Global Stability Organization, of course TOA can't have that and thats why you're going to attack me, but thats fine, Im ready now.

Sure they are cannon fodder. You only act tough when they're around you to act as a buffer. In a war, they'd be the first to go and you'd stay behind and let them take the heat and hope a peace deal worked out before forces got to your territories. It's fun when they all learn it and desert you like VCO did. But aren't the same members that were in VCO in GSO with the exception of Mari who knew enough not to be used as cannon fodder?

Firstly, no I am not using them as cannon fodder. What the hell are you talking about? In the VCO conflict the main battle and the first battle was to be fought on my land and in GSO the way things are looking its going to be the same deal. The current members of GSO are motivated, they're ready to act not just talk like VCO. I haven't even invited Mari to participate in GSO infact I told him that I really don't want him to participate, I don't want Mari to pull a "Mari" on me.


TOA has never bullied the world. Once again if one nation within TOA acts it isn't the alliance. This is actually a TOA effort not as was the plan to get you to stop the ice melting thing but aside from those two TOA has not acted as a whole unit in ages. Would you call the attack on Iraq in real life a NATO attack because the US & UK are involved? Obviously not because it isn't a NATO act. The same logic applies with TOA.

Okay, how about this TOA nations (mostly you, Hirgy and Cot) individually bully the world knowing that no one can do anything about it because if they try to counter attack they'll have the whole TOA on their backs. TOA nations are cowards, you hide behind your alliance and have been doing that for ever now. GSO is different, we help each other but we do not wish to be the aggressor, we do not wish to bully the world, we wish to prevent TOA from bullying it.

This post from GSO thread explains fully GSO's position on TOA (or the position we had before TOA decided that its wise to go to war against us for no reason):

Vesti News Channel
interview with Igor Stepanov,
Kremlin, Voronej

Natalia Repova was anxious to begin the interview that was to be a milestone in her career as a reporter. The interview footage was to be worth millions of rubles since it was the first time President Igor Stepanov agreed to have a private interview since he gained his post. The topic of the year was the Global Stability Organization, the GSO that Igor Stepanov began and that was to bring justice and peace back to the TOA controlled world.

He entered the room and set on a brown leather chair opposite that of Natalia's. Taking a sip of water from the glass that stood on a table beside him, he leaned forward towards Natalia and told her that he is ready. She nodded and signaled to her camera man, he counted off from five and the
tape started rolling.

Natalia: "Во первых я хочу поблагадорить господина президента за это интервью, от канала Вести и себя лично. Очень приятно знать что наше государство нечего не прячет от народа."
[First of all I would like to give thanks to Mr. President for this interview, from channel Vesti and from myself personally. It is very pleasant to know that our government is not hiding anything from our people.]

Igor nodded and smiled at the camera.

Igor: "Без гласности не может быть демократии. Не надо меня блогадорить граждане должны знать правду это их врождёное право."
[Without glasnost there can be no democracy. There is no need to thank me, citizens must know the truth, that is their birth given right.]

Natalia: "И всё равно спасибо. Я хотела бы начать с главного. Организация Глобальной Стабильности, ОГС...какая цель у данного альянса?"
[And still, thank you. I would like to begin with the most important item. The Global Stability Organization, GSO....what is the goal of this alliance?]

Igor: "Хороший вопрос...севоднешний мир нестабилен, в нём есть только одна всё сокрушающая сила Октябарьский Альянс. Нации которые входят в него...Котланд, Хаудог, Лайартеб, Хиргизстан, Северная Германия и Советский Блок...могут атаковать любую страну и безнаказанно забрать чужую землю. Нету здерживающего фактора и это преводет к страданию и хаосу. На земле должна быть сила которая может сказать стой и Октябарьский Алльянс остановитса. Так же должна быть зона к которой ОА неможет прикасаться потому што если они зделают этот шаг они будут повержены. ОГС создаёт такую зону, нации которые в неё входят будут воевать с любым кто посегнёт на их тереторию или тереторию их союзников по ОГС. Всё это должно быть или нестабильность продолжица."
[Good question....today's world is unstable, in it there is only one all destructive force the October Alliance. Nations that are included in it...Cotland, Hawdawg, Layarteb, Hirgizstan, North Germania and Soviet Bloc...can attack any nation and without fear of punishment take foreign land. There is no preventing factor and this leads to suffering and chaos. On earth there must be a force that can say stop and TOA will stop. Also there must be a zone that TOA can not touch because if they take that step they will be defeated. GSO creates such a zone, nations that are included in it will fight against anyone who attempts to claim their land or their GSO ally's land. All of this must be or the instability will continue.]

Natalia: "Значит ли это что внешняя политика ОГС будет направлена против ОА и в конце концов приведёт к войне между дву мя алльянсами?"
[Does this mean that the foreign policy of GSO will be directed against TOA and in the end will bring a war between the alliances?]

Igor: "Не совсем. У ОГС будут свои интересы, у ОА свои но это незначит што они будут сталкиватца. Цель ОГС сохранять мир, организация будет предотвращать такие не спровоцираваные атаки как не давняя атака Котланда на Советские Социалестические Республики. Тот факт что если такая атака повторится то будет ответная реакция не от одной и не двух а четырёх, пяти наций у которых есть высоко технологичные, хорошо организованые армии, тренерованые сражаться вместе с армиями союзников как один кулак, предатвратит саму попытку подобной атаки. Наше первое орудие будет то што наша сила существует, если это не сработает то тогда мы используем эту силу. Российская Федерация не собираетца прекрощять развивание отношений с Котландом, с Советским Блоком или любой другой нацией в составе ОА которая захочет начать развивать отношения. Если мы по нимаем друг друга и если мы друзья это толко превидёт к ещё большей стабильности и это то что мы хотим."
[Not really. GSO will have its own interests, TOA will have it own but that does not mean that they will collide. The goal of GSO is to keep peace, the organization will prevent such unprovoked attacks as the one that happened not so long ago then Cotland attacked Soviet Socialist Republics. The fact that if an attack like that is repeated then the opposing reaction would come not from one or two but from four or five nations that have highly technological, well organized armies, trained to fight together with the armies of their allies like a single fist; the very attempt of attack will be prevented. Our first weapon will be the fact that our power exists, if that does not work than we will use that power. Russian Federation does not intend to stop developing relations with Cotland, Soviet Bloc or any other nation that is a member of TOA that will wish to start developing relations. If we understand each other and we are friends that will only lead to more stability and that is what we want.]

Natalia: "Спасибо господин президент. Мы прервёмся на пять минут и потом вернёмся к этому очень важному интервью. После перерыва наши зрители узнают больше о внутренней политике России."
[Thank you Mr. President. We will take a five minute break and come back to this very important interview. After the beak our viewers will learn more about the domestic policy of Russia.]

You assume to much their already. I had one anti-TOA alliance, GSO is not intended to be one, it was intended to stabilize the world, protect everyone's interests not only those of TOA members. If we could cooperate with TOA diplomatically to keep the peace we would, Stability is the purpose of Global Stability Organization, of course TOA can't have that and thats why you're going to attack me, but thats fine, Im ready now.

Why would we cooperate with an alliance that proclaims we're evil left and right and what case does that make for you guys and your members who cooperate with the "evil TOA"?

Firstly, no I am not using them as cannon fodder? What the hell are you talking about in the VCO conflict the main battle and the first battle was to be fought on my land and in GSO the way things are looking its going to be the same deal. The current members of GSO are motivated, they're ready to act not just talk like VCO. I haven't even invited Mari to participate in GSO infact I told him that I really don't want him to participate, I don't want Mari to pull a "Mari" on me.

Sure you are. It's alright they know it they just don't realize it yet. Give them time, they'll see.


Okay, how about this TOA nations (mostly you, Hirgy and Cot) individually bully the world knowing that no one can do anything about it because if they try to counter attack they'll have the whole TOA on their backs. TOA nations are cowards, you hide behind your alliance and have been doing that for ever now. GSO is different, we help each other but we do not wish to be the aggressor, we do not wish to bully the world, we wish to prevent TOA from bullying it.

I'll raise ya one. I'll let Hirg & Cot ask the same questions if they want but I'd love to see an example when the Empire bullied the entire world into doing something? The polar ice cap melting thing I asked the world to look rationally at the situation and realize how foolish it was but there was no bullying so with that example out of the mix go ahead show me. I'm up for it and I bet curious eyes would too. I'm actually anticipating what you have...

This post from GSO thread explains fully GSO's position on TOA (or the position we had before TOA decided that its wise to go to war against us for no reason):

Vesti News Channel
interview with Igor Stepanov,
Kremlin, Voronej

Natalia Repova was anxious to begin the interview that was to be a milestone in her career as a reporter. The interview footage was to be worth millions of rubles since it was the first time President Igor Stepanov agreed to have a private interview since he gained his post. The topic of the year was the Global Stability Organization, the GSO that Igor Stepanov began and that was to bring justice and peace back to the TOA controlled world.

He entered the room and set on a brown leather chair opposite that of Natalia's. Taking a sip of water from the glass that stood on a table beside him, he leaned forward towards Natalia and told her that he is ready. She nodded and signaled to her camera man, he counted off from five and the
tape started rolling.

Natalia: "Во первых я хочу поблагадорить господина президента за это интервью, от канала Вести и себя лично. Очень приятно знать что наше государство нечего не прячет от народа."
[First of all I would like to give thanks to Mr. President for this interview, from channel Vesti and from myself personally. It is very pleasant to know that our government is not hiding anything from our people.]

Igor nodded and smiled at the camera.

Igor: "Без гласности не может быть демократии. Не надо меня блогадорить граждане должны знать правду это их врождёное право."
[Without glasnost there can be no democracy. There is no need to thank me, citizens must know the truth, that is their birth given right.]

Natalia: "И всё равно спасибо. Я хотела бы начать с главного. Организация Глобальной Стабильности, ОГС...какая цель у данного альянса?"
[And still, thank you. I would like to begin with the most important item. The Global Stability Organization, GSO....what is the goal of this alliance?]

Igor: "Хороший вопрос...севоднешний мир нестабилен, в нём есть только одна всё сокрушающая сила Октябарьский Альянс. Нации которые входят в него...Котланд, Хаудог, Лайартеб, Хиргизстан, Северная Германия и Советский Блок...могут атаковать любую страну и безнаказанно забрать чужую землю. Нету здерживающего фактора и это преводет к страданию и хаосу. На земле должна быть сила которая может сказать стой и Октябарьский Алльянс остановитса. Так же должна быть зона к которой ОА неможет прикасаться потому што если они зделают этот шаг они будут повержены. ОГС создаёт такую зону, нации которые в неё входят будут воевать с любым кто посегнёт на их тереторию или тереторию их союзников по ОГС. Всё это должно быть или нестабильность продолжица."
[Good question....today's world is unstable, in it there is only one all destructive force the October Alliance. Nations that are included in it...Cotland, Hawdawg, Layarteb, Hirgizstan, North Germania and Soviet Bloc...can attack any nation and without fear of punishment take foreign land. There is no preventing factor and this leads to suffering and chaos. On earth there must be a force that can say stop and TOA will stop. Also there must be a zone that TOA can not touch because if they take that step they will be defeated. GSO creates such a zone, nations that are included in it will fight against anyone who attempts to claim their land or their GSO ally's land. All of this must be or the instability will continue.]

Natalia: "Значит ли это что внешняя политика ОГС будет направлена против ОА и в конце концов приведёт к войне между дву мя алльянсами?"
[Does this mean that the foreign policy of GSO will be directed against TOA and in the end will bring a war between the alliances?]

Igor: "Не совсем. У ОГС будут свои интересы, у ОА свои но это незначит што они будут сталкиватца. Цель ОГС сохранять мир, организация будет предотвращать такие не спровоцираваные атаки как не давняя атака Котланда на Советские Социалестические Республики. Тот факт что если такая атака повторится то будет ответная реакция не от одной и не двух а четырёх, пяти наций у которых есть высоко технологичные, хорошо организованые армии, тренерованые сражаться вместе с армиями союзников как один кулак, предатвратит саму попытку подобной атаки. Наше первое орудие будет то што наша сила существует, если это не сработает то тогда мы используем эту силу. Российская Федерация не собираетца прекрощять развивание отношений с Котландом, с Советским Блоком или любой другой нацией в составе ОА которая захочет начать развивать отношения. Если мы по нимаем друг друга и если мы друзья это толко превидёт к ещё большей стабильности и это то что мы хотим."
[Not really. GSO will have its own interests, TOA will have it own but that does not mean that they will collide. The goal of GSO is to keep peace, the organization will prevent such unprovoked attacks as the one that happened not so long ago then Cotland attacked Soviet Socialist Republics. The fact that if an attack like that is repeated then the opposing reaction would come not from one or two but from four or five nations that have highly technological, well organized armies, trained to fight together with the armies of their allies like a single fist; the very attempt of attack will be prevented. Our first weapon will be the fact that our power exists, if that does not work than we will use that power. Russian Federation does not intend to stop developing relations with Cotland, Soviet Bloc or any other nation that is a member of TOA that will wish to start developing relations. If we understand each other and we are friends that will only lead to more stability and that is what we want.]

Natalia: "Спасибо господин президент. Мы прервёмся на пять минут и потом вернёмся к этому очень важному интервью. После перерыва наши зрители узнают больше о внутренней политике России."
[Thank you Mr. President. We will take a five minute break and come back to this very important interview. After the beak our viewers will learn more about the domestic policy of Russia.]

Off the record that is as believable as Baghdad Bob.

Just some FYI. My personal website will be down for a little while tonight (00:00 hrs - 03:00ish hrs EST). My forum's will still be accessible though.

Why would we cooperate with an alliance that proclaims we're evil left and right and what case does that make for you guys and your members who cooperate with the "evil TOA"?

We are ready to open diplomatic talks, if you don't want us to call you evil, then stop being so damn evil, lol.



Sure you are. It's alright they know it they just don't realize it yet. Give them time, they'll see.

Oh Lay, you and your denials, kind of getting old already.




I'll raise ya one. I'll let Hirg & Cot ask the same questions if they want but I'd love to see an example when the Empire bullied the entire world into doing something? The polar ice cap melting thing I asked the world to look rationally at the situation and realize how foolish it was but there was no bullying so with that example out of the mix go ahead show me. I'm up for it and I bet curious eyes would too. I'm actually anticipating what you have...

Ice caps melting were possible as I have proved to you firstly. Secondly Cot just attacked Nero without provocation, the empire had a long history of invading nations without any provocation, same goes for NG who took out Panth without any provocation and same goes for Hirg.

Off the record that is as believable as Baghdad Bob.

Off-record, you can trust me to know whats best for my "nation", peace is whats best for my nation, Im not the one starting a war here anyways.

Check this out batches Uncle Vanya learned how to make camo:

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Thx to SB for opening my eyes.

The Empire hereby announces the following changes, effective immediately, to its foreign policy:

1. The Empire hereby severs all diplomatic relations with The Commonwealth of Asia and removes its 2,500 citizen travel quota back down to 0.

2. The Empire hereby issues a 5,000 citizen travel quota to Tropico, pending approval from the Tropican government. We hope that this move will bring us closer together, eventually establishing an embassy in Tropico and Layarteb City.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs

God dammit, I asked you to change it a few months back several times...

Anyways -

You're all being fucking ridiculous.

One -

No, the TOA aren't agressing us by any means...if you look at it in a black and white definition.

Two -

Layarteb, Cotland, and Hirgizstan...

Because you like to play tricks and hit loopholes to look like you're Angelic does not put you at a higher disposition.

Grow up, drop the charade, and stop being brats about it.

Three -

There was nothing along the lines of an ANTI-TOA nature when GCO was founded. Only a 'Way to balance the world', meaning that there isn't just ONE POWERFUL ALLIANCE to rely on but...TWO POWERFUL ALLIANCES. Now, to you guys *the TOA* this is a threat because now you're harmony is disturbed...

Boo-hoo?

Again, grow up.

Four -

People of Earth II will always call you the aggressors in most/all of your conflicts.

Why? Because the suspect you wish to harm gets a bit defensive. It starts with a "Umm...what the hell?" and you escalate it too "Nothing, nothing. Of course nothing. SIC OKAY GUYS GET READY TO DROP THE BOMB OPEN IC OKAY MY TROOPS ARE ON YOUR BORDER."

All you intend to really do is to anger such suspect into feeling threatened, as to have them make the first move.

Congratulations, you learned real life politics. It still doesn't make you very mature, or very cool.

Five -

What is your fascination with Movie-related Operation names? I swear to God, if I see another Replica *IE Operation Beautiful Mind* I'm just going to pop.

Seriously, my super fast subsonic launchable from under the water at 17000 KM away will be fired without discretion.

Six -

Yes, I mean it about the nukes.

Seven -

I like this number, I like it very much.

But, to inform you -

Yes, I am actually pretty worn out atm. Met a jaw dropping girl, my fingers feel like I just broke them in sub-zero temperatures, and my mind is half asleep. So, thank you for noticing the non-clarity with-in the post.

Oh, and I'm still sane enough atm to realize -

Sure, I'm not mature either.

But I leave it at this -

I'm told by Cotland a lot that I'm a child, or I'm childish. So, this is me to him -

Okay, so show me how to not be a child. Be a man, grow some balls, and stop letting Layarteb tell you how to run your own ambitions. Or, are they even your OWN ambitions? Are you just another weakling who tends to cling onto larger projects in a pursuit of betterment? So, does this make you like almost every other man on earth? Just another drone, someone who won't dare try to understand this statement and go straight to hell with my suggestions. Anyways, I don't care...

I want to have a fun war if it boils down to that, but I swear to you -

Continue the bull shit mind games, semi-God modding, and outright unnecissary outbursts of reaction vs interpretation....

Just keep on doing it.

We are ready to open diplomatic talks, if you don't want us to call you evil, then stop being so damn evil, lol.

Why do we need diplomatic talks? The Empire has no interest trading with or opening relations with the Russian Federation.


Ice caps melting were possible as I have proved to you firstly. Secondly Cot just attacked Nero without provocation, the empire had a long history of invading nations without any provocation, same goes for NG who took out Panth without any provocation and same goes for Hirg.

Yes it was definitely possible that you would have melted the ice caps. You're spot on right there...The Empire has a long history of invading nations without provocation. Which ones?


God dammit, I asked you to change it a few months back several times...

Since you changed your name on the average of once every two weeks it probably went unnoticed.

Anyways -

You're all being fucking ridiculous.

One -

No, the TOA aren't agressing us by any means...if you look at it in a black and white definition.

Two -

Layarteb, Cotland, and Hirgizstan...

Because you like to play tricks and hit loopholes to look like you're Angelic does not put you at a higher disposition.

Grow up, drop the charade, and stop being brats about it.

Three -

There was nothing along the lines of an ANTI-TOA nature when GCO was founded. Only a 'Way to balance the world', meaning that there isn't just ONE POWERFUL ALLIANCE to rely on but...TWO POWERFUL ALLIANCES. Now, to you guys *the TOA* this is a threat because now you're harmony is disturbed...

Boo-hoo?

Again, grow up.

Four -

People of Earth II will always call you the aggressors in most/all of your conflicts.

Why? Because the suspect you wish to harm gets a bit defensive. It starts with a "Umm...what the hell?" and you escalate it too "Nothing, nothing. Of course nothing. SIC OKAY GUYS GET READY TO DROP THE BOMB OPEN IC OKAY MY TROOPS ARE ON YOUR BORDER."

All you intend to really do is to anger such suspect into feeling threatened, as to have them make the first move.

Congratulations, you learned real life politics. It still doesn't make you very mature, or very cool.

Five -

What is your fascination with Movie-related Operation names? I swear to God, if I see another Replica *IE Operation Beautiful Mind* I'm just going to pop.

Seriously, my super fast subsonic launchable from under the water at 17000 KM away will be fired without discretion.

Six -

Yes, I mean it about the nukes.

Seven -

I like this number, I like it very much.

But, to inform you -

Yes, I am actually pretty worn out atm. Met a jaw dropping girl, my fingers feel like I just broke them in sub-zero temperatures, and my mind is half asleep. So, thank you for noticing the non-clarity with-in the post.

Oh, and I'm still sane enough atm to realize -

Sure, I'm not mature either.

But I leave it at this -

I'm told by Cotland a lot that I'm a child, or I'm childish. So, this is me to him -

Okay, so show me how to not be a child. Be a man, grow some balls, and stop letting Layarteb tell you how to run your own ambitions. Or, are they even your OWN ambitions? Are you just another weakling who tends to cling onto larger projects in a pursuit of betterment? So, does this make you like almost every other man on earth? Just another drone, someone who won't dare try to understand this statement and go straight to hell with my suggestions. Anyways, I don't care...

I want to have a fun war if it boils down to that, but I swear to you -

Continue the bull shit mind games, semi-God modding, and outright unnecissary outbursts of reaction vs interpretation....

Just keep on doing it.

You have actually less of a clue what is going on than Pushka does. Congradulations...

Just some FYI. My personal website will be down for a little while tonight (00:00 hrs - 03:00ish hrs EST). My forum's will still be accessible though.

Check that it's done and up...take a look :).

experience tells me that if you keep your personal opinions to yourself, fewer people would hate you, and it would be possible to find some reason to be friendly with other people. Provocation is a hostile act that begs for more of it, so the best advice that anyone can ask - stop the labels [such as "TOA='evil'" and "GSO='evil'"]. Bad memories bring up bad blood, and a picked scab will eventually bleed out.

TOA folk: you can't surmise that the GSO wants to annihilate the TOA.

GSO folk: you can't surmise that the TOA wants to pummel the GSO back to the dark ages.

Hopefully, this puts this into a different perspective [i.e. a perspective left for the dust pan...] and puts some end to this childish affair. I'd hate to see a war form just because one side is threatened by another side who is threatened by the side seemingly threatened by the former. If not, I can't say I didn't try to help.

I want to mention something about the pictures of the tanks and planes and the like. They're really impressive pictures but I would like it if you guys shrunk the pictures at least a little. They're stretching the forum posts. Thanks.

People of Earth II will always call you the aggressors in most/all of your conflicts.

OOC: The closest I've ever seen TOA being "aggressors" themselves was the invasion of Pantheaa and Cotland's invasion of Nerotika...but both actions certainly didn't look like TOA-sanctioned events, they were simply the acts of their respective nations. I have yet to see TOA unequiovocally declare an aggressive war on someone- their members may have aggressive themselves, but in those cases they acted independently, not "as part of TOA".

Pys: When have I called you childish? I recall having called you immature at times, yes, but never outright childish. However, if I have and you felt offended by it, then I appologize.

As for your challenge for maturity, who said Operation Sunfall was Layarteb's idea? Who said much of what the OA does is only Layarteb's idea? We're five other members of the alliance, each with an equal say and vote in things. I'll leave it to you to figure out the rest.

Additionally, you're ranting about us using "mind-games" and "tricks". Another word for that is politics, and guess what? NationStates is a political game! Again, figure out the reasons why we're doing it for yourself.

Rome: Finally someone who sees this rationally. Thank you.

For those of you who didn't understand it, let me explain. The actions of the past (various invasions of among others Panthea and Nerotika) were actions of the individual members, not by the alliance. Hence, the argument that among others Pushka uses that "TOA invades others, therefore TOA is evil" is useless. Please take note and let's keep the record from repeating itself ;)

Okay, how about this TOA nations (mostly you, Hirgy and Cot) individually bully the world knowing that no one can do anything about it because if they try to counter attack they'll have the whole TOA on their backs. TOA nations are cowards, you hide behind your alliance and have been doing that for ever now. GSO is different, we help each other but we do not wish to be the aggressor, we do not wish to bully the world, we wish to prevent TOA from bullying it.

I have never hid behind the alliance. I have asked other nations if they where interested in something I had going on (attacking others) but that involved many nations not just TOA members (Japan, Ottoman, SB, Cot, RomeW, and several others that have left E II can confirm this). It's called coalition building. I joined the alliance because we as members are allowed to decide on our own what roles we want to play in events that are unfolding, not forced into "blind charges" across no-man's land by a charter. Now before you jump out and say we are all cowards I would like to remind you that the last little flar up you had with us, you left before the battle ever really heated up. Just remember Pushka when you point and shake a finger at someone four fingers are pointing back at yourself.


-Hawdawg


PS On a side note I am happy to report that show season is officially over and I will finally get some time to rest and relax. This also means that I can now devote more time to my NS responsibilities.

I want to mention something about the pictures of the tanks and planes and the like. They're really impressive pictures but I would like it if you guys shrunk the pictures at least a little. They're stretching the forum posts. Thanks.



OOC: The closest I've ever seen TOA being "aggressors" themselves was the invasion of Pantheaa and Cotland's invasion of Nerotika...but both actions certainly didn't look like TOA-sanctioned events, they were simply the acts of their respective nations. I have yet to see TOA unequiovocally declare an aggressive war on someone- their members may have aggressive themselves, but in those cases they acted independently, not "as part of TOA".

Well at least someone listened to all my "TOA has sovereignty within" rants...This is put precisely as I've seen...

I have never hid behind the alliance. I have asked other nations if they where interested in something I had going on (attacking others) but that involved many nations not just TOA members (Japan, Ottoman, SB, Cot, RomeW, and several others that have left E II can confirm this). It's called coalition building. I joined the alliance because we as members are allowed to decide on our own what roles we want to play in events that are unfolding, not forced into "blind charges" across no-man's land by a charter. Now before you jump out and say we are all cowards I would like to remind you that the last little flar up you had with us, you left before the battle ever really heated up. Just remember Pushka when you point and shake a finger at someone four fingers are pointing back at yourself.


-Hawdawg


PS On a side note I am happy to report that show season is officially over and I will finally get some time to rest and relax. This also means that I can now devote more time to my NS responsibilities.

Welcome back Haw...

I have never hid behind the alliance. I have asked other nations if they where interested in something I had going on (attacking others) but that involved many nations not just TOA members (Japan, Ottoman, SB, Cot, RomeW, and several others that have left E II can confirm this). It's called coalition building. I joined the alliance because we as members are allowed to decide on our own what roles we want to play in events that are unfolding, not forced into "blind charges" across no-man's land by a charter. Now before you jump out and say we are all cowards I would like to remind you that the last little flar up you had with us, you left before the battle ever really heated up. Just remember Pushka when you point and shake a finger at someone four fingers are pointing back at yourself.

I left due to RL issues, firstly. Secondly the GSO charter doesn't make anyone charge across the no man's land and neither did the VCO charter. It is a basic example of a defense pact, if one is attacked all are attacked, I assume TOA is based on the same principle. All modifications to the charter and the alliance as a whole starting wars themselves are all decisions to be voted on unanimously or they do not pass, same was the situation with VCO.

I want to mention something about the pictures of the tanks and planes and the like. They're really impressive pictures but I would like it if you guys shrunk the pictures at least a little. They're stretching the forum posts. Thanks.

Are they stretching the page for you? They aren't for me, if they are tell me I'll repost them as thumbnails.

Why do we need diplomatic talks? The Empire has no interest trading with or opening relations with the Russian Federation.

To prevent war that you are brewing.

You have actually less of a clue what is going on than Pushka does. Congradulations...

Oh don't kid yourself you arrogant asshole, you aren't that smart, I see perfectly what is going on.

experience tells me that if you keep your personal opinions to yourself, fewer people would hate you, and it would be possible to find some reason to be friendly with other people. Provocation is a hostile act that begs for more of it, so the best advice that anyone can ask - stop the labels [such as "TOA='evil'" and "GSO='evil'"]. Bad memories bring up bad blood, and a picked scab will eventually bleed out.

TOA folk: you can't surmise that the GSO wants to annihilate the TOA.

GSO folk: you can't surmise that the TOA wants to pummel the GSO back to the dark ages.

Hopefully, this puts this into a different perspective [i.e. a perspective left for the dust pan...] and puts some end to this childish affair. I'd hate to see a war form just because one side is threatened by another side who is threatened by the side seemingly threatened by the former. If not, I can't say I didn't try to help.

Thanks but Im afraid your point is mute, TOA are warmongers, me on the other hand, I'd love to engage in diplomatic talks but if they attack I will destroy them, thats a given.

Oh don't kid yourself you arrogant asshole, you aren't that smart, I see perfectly what is going on.
Let's try to keep the flaming out of Jolt, okay?
Thanks but Im afraid your point is mute, TOA are warmongers, me on the other hand, I'd love to engage in diplomatic talks but if they attack I will destroy them, thats a given.
What makes you so certain we're going to attack you, or anyone for that matter? Please do elaborate.

Are they stretching the page for you? They aren't for me, if they are tell me I'll repost them as thumbnails.

Thanks. Yes they are stretching the page for me.

Rome: Finally someone who sees this rationally. Thank you.

You're welcome.

Now, for the record, I do believe that in the IC realm that TOA should have a rival...it'd make things interesting. However, this spat seems to be more than just an IC joust...it's going OOC and it's really getting out of hand.

Thanks but Im afraid your point is mute, TOA are warmongers, me on the other hand, I'd love to engage in diplomatic talks but if they attack I will destroy them, thats a given.

If the TOA are warmongers, why aren't they aggressing against me? Other non-TOA people? As far as I've seen, your talks about making invitations to open diplomatic discussions sound like North Korea's willingness to abandon its nuclear program. I'm not saying that they've been the best of friends trying to be friendly with you, but at this point, it's hard to say that anyone is trying to be friendly with each other.

As far as I've seen, they haven't even made open declarations aimed at dispelling the power of the GSO [of course, making comments like "anti-TOA" doesn't help... but they haven't made any explicit efforts to combat the GSO]. A lot of this inflation of hostility is being brewed oocly, and subconsciously carried into IC debate and discussion, which is - a mon avis - childish.

I'm trying not to blame anyone, but if you're trying to make an anti-TOA coalition, don't sugarcoat it oocly by saying that you're icly willing to engage in diplomatic discussions if you're really not. And members of the TOA shouldn't be so hot to think that you are aiming to start another hegemonic war. If you're really something but trying to hide it, don't say anything - at least. And assume the affirmative - not the negative [unless the IC intel suggests otherwise].

I feel like I'm giving a lecture - I'd better stop...

What makes you so certain we're going to attack you, or anyone for that matter? Please do elaborate.

Ah, well lets see, you all moving your forces towards my borders, for one. And I do have eyes I can ready your SICs you know even though I don't claim to know anything about em ICly. The way I see it you are either A. Going to try to provoke me into attacking you first. B. Attack me

To prevent war that you are brewing.



Oh don't kid yourself you arrogant asshole, you aren't that smart, I see perfectly what is going on.

And you wonder why I often ignore you and don't give you time of time.

I left due to RL issues, firstly. Secondly the GSO charter doesn't make anyone charge across the no man's land and neither did the VCO charter. It is a basic example of a defense pact, if one is attacked all are attacked, I assume TOA is based on the same principle. All modifications to the charter and the alliance as a whole starting wars themselves are all decisions to be voted on unanimously or they do not pass, same was the situation with VCO.

TOA started as a defensive pact but it's FAR more than that now...we have a lot of socio-economic benefits too...Think of NATO, NAFTA, and some respects of the EU all together.

If the TOA are warmongers, why aren't they aggressing against me? Other non-TOA people? As far as I've seen, your talks about making invitations to open diplomatic discussions sound like North Korea's willingness to abandon its nuclear program. I'm not saying that they've been the best of friends trying to be friendly with you, but at this point, it's hard to say that anyone is trying to be friendly with each other.

As far as I've seen, they haven't even made open declarations aimed at dispelling the power of the GSO [of course, making comments like "anti-TOA" doesn't help... but they haven't made any explicit efforts to combat the GSO]. A lot of this inflation of hostility is being brewed oocly, and subconsciously carried into IC debate and discussion, which is - a mon avis - childish.

I'm trying not to blame anyone, but if you're trying to make an anti-TOA coalition, don't sugarcoat it oocly by saying that you're icly willing to engage in diplomatic discussions if you're really not. And members of the TOA shouldn't be so hot to think that you are aiming to start another hegemonic war. If you're really something but trying to hide it, don't say anything - at least. And assume the affirmative - not the negative [unless the IC intel suggests otherwise].

I feel like I'm giving a lecture - I'd better stop...

Not joking but your the yoda of E2 man lecture on please, you bring logic and reason to often unreasonable situations... :)

If the TOA are warmongers, why aren't they aggressing against me? Other non-TOA people? As far as I've seen, your talks about making invitations to open diplomatic discussions sound like North Korea's willingness to abandon its nuclear program. I'm not saying that they've been the best of friends trying to be friendly with you, but at this point, it's hard to say that anyone is trying to be friendly with each other.

Nerotika came under attack of Cotland just a few weeks ago, several TOA nations got involved in the Spizania situation and blew it out of proportion a month ago. Your point?

As far as I've seen, they haven't even made open declarations aimed at dispelling the power of the GSO [of course, making comments like "anti-TOA" doesn't help... but they haven't made any explicit efforts to combat the GSO]. A lot of this inflation of hostility is being brewed oocly, and subconsciously carried into IC debate and discussion, which is - a mon avis - childish.

If you haven't noticed they are moving their troops towards my borders.

I'm trying not to blame anyone, but if you're trying to make an anti-TOA coalition, don't sugarcoat it oocly by saying that you're icly willing to engage in diplomatic discussions if you're really not. And members of the TOA shouldn't be so hot to think that you are aiming to start another hegemonic war. If you're really something but trying to hide it, don't say anything - at least. And assume the affirmative - not the negative [unless the IC intel suggests otherwise].

Firstly, they are the ones starting a war, secondly I am ICly willing to solve this situation through diplomatic channels (as I have posted in Operation Sunfall)....your point?

Ah, well lets see, you all moving your forces towards my borders, for one. And I do have eyes I can ready your SICs you know even though I don't claim to know anything about em ICly. The way I see it you are either A. Going to try to provoke me into attacking you first. B. Attack me

If you are so convinced we are going to attack you then why don't you put your money where you mouth is and do something about it? Why would anyone just sit back while a massive coalition of military forces was massing to attack them and do nothing unless they were (A: scared or B: all too willing to sacrifice their own soldiers' lives to wait for the 'defensive' argument)?

Im not sitting back Im getting ready. Don't worry about my soldiers, worry about yours, they are the ones that are going to be obliterated as you try to push towards my land. All my missile batteries are looking at you, waiting for you to cross the border, or launch your own missiles. Defensive war is the way to go against superior enemy numbers such as in Mexico. Plus I'd rather keep my higher moral ground, thx.

Im not sitting back Im getting ready. Don't worry about my soldiers, worry about yours, they are the ones that are going to be obliterated as you try to push towards my land. All my missile batteries are looking at you, waiting for you to cross the border, or launch your own missiles. Defensive war is the way to go against superior enemy numbers such as in Mexico. Plus I'd rather keep my higher moral ground, thx.

Actually you have more soldiers in Mexico than I have in Ynoga.

TOA started as a defensive pact but it's FAR more than that now...we have a lot of socio-economic benefits too...Think of NATO, NAFTA, and some respects of the EU all together.

Thats what I plan to develop GSO into, we already have free trade and such, eventually we'll vote on things like joint cultural projects and so on and so forth.

Not joking but your the yoda of E2 man lecture on please, you bring logic and reason to often unreasonable situations... :)

An unreasonable situation which in this case you have created.

Actually you have more soldiers in Mexico than I have in Ynoga.

True, but my soldiers can't swim to the fleet you and your allies are amassing in Jamaica and I haven't had the time to establish Western Mexican navy yet right now its no more then a hundred ships (no aircraft carriers, mostly coastal defense boats) and a couple of dozen subs what I was able to move over land since the Carribean is closed to me.

--edit--

Now if you do attack I have a rather sizeable fleet on the Eastern coast of Mexico plus I can quickly move the Pacific Fleet down from Japan. I have enough carriers on the Eastern coast to control the skies, plus the ground forces that have extensive ground to air capabilities as well as extnsive ground to ground or ship capabilities (T-0s with Kh-54M-VRPBs and trucks with DR-13 Chert intercontinental cruise missile launchers mounted on them.

Thats what I plan to develop GSO into, we already have free trade and such, eventually we'll vote on things like joint cultural projects and so on and so forth.



An unreasonable situation which in this case you have created.

That you don't yet understand fully...

True, but my soldiers can't swim to the fleet you and your allies are amassing in Jamaica and I haven't had the time to establish Western Mexican navy yet right now its no more then a hundred ships (no aircraft carriers, mostly coastal defense boats) and a couple of dozen subs what I was able to move over land since the Carribean is closed to me.

--edit--

Now if you do attack I have a rather sizeable fleet on the Eastern coast of Mexico plus I can quickly move the Pacific Fleet down from Japan. I have enough carriers on the Eastern coast to control the skies, plus the ground forces that have extensive ground to air capabilities as well as extnsive ground to ground or ship capabilities (T-0s with Kh-54M-VRPBs and trucks with DR-13 Chert intercontinental cruise missile launchers mounted on them.

We're massing in Jamaica? Cool, news to me...I wonder how much it cost to move all those submarines and stuff across Mexico to the area. 50 carriers is pretty sizeable but they'd be within range of Voodoos and Imsdals :).

That you don't yet understand fully...

I understand that its a threat, an unprovoked threat, thats all I really need to know.

We're massing in Jamaica? Cool, news to me...I wonder how much it cost to move all those submarines and stuff across Mexico to the area. 50 carriers is pretty sizeable but they'd be within range of Voodoos and Imsdals :).

Eh...by Jamaica I meant the place there you are actually amassing....sorry...I am switching back and forth from reading your posts and studying for a calculus exam.

--edit--

Hey, its Mexico, cheap labor, rounded up a couple of million of those guys made them carry nuclear subs on their shoulders. Yeah, those carriers would be within range of Imsdal, same as your ships are already within range of DR-13, that can carry a nuke or a rather heavy conventional charge.

Hey, its Mexico, cheap labor, rounded up a couple of million of those guys made them carry nuclear subs on their shoulders. Yeah, those carriers would be within range of Imsdal, same as your ships are already within range of DR-13, that can carry a nuke or a rather heavy conventional charge.

Worst explanation ever...It probably cost you more to move the subs and equipment over than to just build new stuff. What is the range on the DR-13, any specs?

I was joking, there are vehicles that can carry a submarine across land though, its certainly doable.

DR-13:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511858

Can I get specs of Imsdal?

I'm going to be reupdating my indigenous weapon systems for my new site but it'll be a slow process with a little done here and there. I've got a total of 418 files to do. If you need to access them, the old ones are still online.

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Temp/Nation-States/ldc.htm

I was joking, there are vehicles that can carry a submarine across land though, its certainly doable.

DR-13:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511858

Can I get specs of Imsdal?

Every system I employ that isn't RL has its specs on my site but since I am redoing it the old specs are online via the above URL.

Nerotika came under attack of Cotland just a few weeks ago, several TOA nations got involved in the Spizania situation and blew it out of proportion a month ago. Your point?

As far as I noticed, the attacks were provoked by incidents. There has not been any incident that warrants anything worth of a conflict.

If you haven't noticed they are moving their troops towards my borders.

People build up troops all of the time - does it necessarily mean that they're going to use them? Instead of accusing them of trying to provoke a war with you, ask them why they are building up troops along your borders [nicely] and they might give a reply.

Firstly, they are the ones starting a war, secondly I am ICly willing to solve this situation through diplomatic channels (as I have posted in Operation Sunfall)....your point?

Who's started the war? I didn't believe that this was already a war.


In my personal opinion - this whole thing started off on the wrong foot when people started assuming bad things.

Somewhere in Cotland
Secret IC

"Russerne har opprettet enda en allianse pakt." [The Russians have established another alliance pact.]

"Jasså? Hva er det denne gangen?" [Really? What is it this time?]

"Global Stability Organization. Hehe. De forsøker å overgå Oktoberalliansen enda en gang. Når skal de lære?" [Global Stability Organization. Hehe. They're trying to top the October Alliance again. When are they going to learn?]

"Hva med aldri. Okey. Vi får vel holde et øye på den. Få over Olsen og noen av de andre som pleide å overvåke VCO. Og sjekk med tolvte direktorat hvordan det går med snikmordplanene mot russiske topp-ledere." [How about never. Okay, I guess we'll have to keep an eye on it. Get Olsen and some of the others who used to watch the VCO over here. And check with the Twelwth Directorate how the assassination plans on Russian top officials are coming along, just in case.]

"Det skal bli." [You got it.]

[OOC: AKA TAG!]

Voronej, Kremlin

"Товарищ президент, Котландцы мобилизируютса."
[Comrade president, Cotlandians are mobilizing]

"Я слышал, это не означает нечего хорошего. Все войска передвинуть на наши граници с Котландом и Хиргизстаном. Так же передайте слово нашим союзникам пусть мобилизируются. Я не ожидал что ОА сделает этот шаг так быстро, но сегодня мы готовы защищать нашу Родину больше чем когда либо. Все глаза на границе, если Котландцы пересекут 25 километровою не-военную зону открывать огонь на поражение."
[I heard, this isn't good. All armies are to be moved on the borders with Cotland and Hirgizstan. Also give word to our allies they should mobilize too. I did not expect the OA to take this step this soon, but today we are more ready to defend our Motherland then ever before. All eyes on the borders, if the Cots cross the 25 kilometer demilitarized zone open fire.]

"Будет сделано товарищь президент."
[It will be done Comrade President.]

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Message to the Realm of Cotland

We would like an explanation for your recent mobilization of forces towards our borders. As I am sure your reconnaissances shows you we have taken similar steps to insure that any attempt at invasion of our land by you or your TOA allies will fail. We are rather infuriated by TOA's willingness to create this high tension situation for no reasons. If war is infact what you wish then we will meet you and we will defeat you and then we will be talking to you in a much less polite manner, however at this time an explanation is all we wish, you are highly advised to oblige.

-Igor Stepanov
President of Russian Federation

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The bear once again has awoken, it stretched its paws as far as central mexico, the Russians were moving and earth trembled. Thousands of guided missile batteries were now looking at the Cots and Hirgistanies from across the border, the barrel of gunpowder was ready, all it needed was a spark.


I'm guessing that either people wanted to assume these things and just trying to sugarcoat their intentions or they are just being sincere and rather rough trying to solve the problem. The TOA members ought to consider that the GSO is not necessarily opposed to the TOA and its objectives. The members of the GSO ought to consider that the TOA isn't necessarily an evil force. I've tried to find posts I find "inciting" hostile responses, and I don't think that I've found the most representative, but I hope that you guys realize that your assumptions are inclining to conflict [all other assumptions aside].

If you guys can rectify that the existence of the other does not compute an incompatibility, then we can have some sense of order. Of course, if you guys are trying to take the "moral" ground for a war by extending this out, then stop it. The "moral" ground does not consider war as an option, so do us the pleasure of cutting to the chase and getting on with the war. You're not helping us by spending 15 pages arguing about "YOU'RE STARTING THIS WAR!!! DON'T BLAME ME!!!" [minus the excess caps] and all the while hiding some intentions to start a war. To me, this war that happened a while ago never really resolved, and the people are witnessing the return this sort of war. I'd rather see you guys duke it out instead of arguing about why you're going to duke it out.


So, if you don't want war, talk straight and stop the labels. If you do, please be my guest and start it already. If you want to claim the moral ground, win.

"He who has determined to win has found the majority of factors in his favor; he who has determined not to win has found few factors in his favor."

- Sunzi, Chapter 1

As far as I noticed, the attacks were provoked by incidents. There has not been any incident that warrants anything worth of a conflict.

Cotland's attack on Nero was completely unprovoked, same as the whole deal with Spizania.



People build up troops all of the time - does it necessarily mean that they're going to use them? Instead of accusing them of trying to provoke a war with you, ask them why they are building up troops along your borders [nicely] and they might give a reply.

Eh, they are planning a war, just read the Sunfall RP.

Who's started the war? I didn't believe that this was already a war.

I said starting, they are in the process of doing so.

If you guys can rectify that the existence of the other does not compute an incompatibility, then we can have some sense of order. Of course, if you guys are trying to take the "moral" ground for a war by extending this out, then stop it. The "moral" ground does not consider war as an option, so do us the pleasure of cutting to the chase and getting on with the war. You're not helping us by spending 15 pages arguing about "YOU'RE STARTING THIS WAR!!! DON'T BLAME ME!!!" [minus the excess caps] and all the while hiding some intentions to start a war. To me, this war that happened a while ago never really resolved, and the people are witnessing the return this sort of war. I'd rather see you guys duke it out instead of arguing about why you're going to duke it out.

But TOA must have their mind games, its quite pathetic but they have a need for it.

So, if you don't want war, talk straight and stop the labels. If you do, please be my guest and start it already. If you want to claim the moral ground, win.

I don't want war but it doesn't depend on me, TOA is starting a war and there is nothing I can do to stop that fact, now that doesn't mean I can't win the war that they are about to start.

I'm going to be reupdating my indigenous weapon systems for my new site but it'll be a slow process with a little done here and there. I've got a total of 418 files to do. If you need to access them, the old ones are still online.

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Temp/Nation-States/ldc.htm

Well, 25 of them are done. So many more to go :(

Little heads up, the time has come for the Confederacy to retake two things that were taken from it, and reap its vengeance on those who took it.

Eh, okay, lol. So you wanna get your ass wooped again? Cause hell even with TOA at my doorstep taking you out shouldn't be any problem, especially if you attempt to retake the Baker infact Im thinking of attacking your fleet on approach so once you're within say 9000 km watch out.

I might note that i never deployed the Confederate Navy en masse during any of our previous engagements. This will be different in the upcoming conflict

I might note that i never deployed the Confederate Navy en masse during any of our previous engagements. This will be different in the upcoming conflict

Basically you gonna use the fact that GSO and TOA are about to duke it out to sneak in and attempt to take the Baker since I'll be preoccupied....eh not gonna work. Your navy en masse just means more ships for my missiles to destroy. I gave you Baker so I have the original claim to it, but lets not start a discussion here. If you gonna act, go ahead and act at your own risk.

Ok i was gone for 4 days..spring break stuff and i apparently missed a lot. So if someone can TG me a heads up of whats going cause its going to take me like 500 days to wade through all the pages

Also after work on Saturday im going to Circuit City to buy Stalker..it better be worth the money folks! I still don't see what the hype is about, looks like another FEAR to me just without the slow mo which made FEAR awesome to begin with

Ok let me spit a couple of words and sorry if i don't get the full picture of whats going on here

Lay, to say that GSO is anti TOA is tom foolery. My relationship with TOA has only improved in the last few months. I opened but Free Trade agreements to any nation, i bought airplanes from Cotland. Sure i still criticize them sometimes but it was nothing compared to i use to whine about TOA. Me and COH have a great working relationship and i recongize COH has the rightful inherter of those russian lands. Im not going to try to reconquer those lands i see no reason why...and since Cotland drop a nuke down there why would i, i rather spend my money on new technology rather then cleaning up nuclear waste

However

I do find it odd that the only nations that have given me hardship is NG and Cotland, both just so happen to be in the TOA alliance. So how is TOA a "good guy" alliance when they have never potrayed themselves as good. How are they protecting the world from rogue nations when they conquering more land then defending..keep in mind i was peaceful when i had Bouvet Island. This was before my communist era...before i started to annoy people on E2. AND YET I WAS STILL ATTACK BOTH BY NG AND COTLAND, i simply can't trust certain nations within my boarders range.

I don't care about "fighting TOA" shit my nation is landlocked and doesn't even have a navy. I don't care about invading TOA territories. The only thing i care about is keeping Russia the way it is now and not the multi-color map that its becoming. All of the nations that are currently in Russia have every right to be there cause we have all claimed a part of Russian hertiage. From what use any other nation has for Russia is unjust as its not their motherland. If you really want land go after South America..i really don't care about what happens there or any other part of the world..BUT HANDS OFF RUSSIA


The simple fact remains that TOA has a safeguard when it comes to expansion. Cause no nation can attack a TOA held territory, giving free ride to the TOA and making former land impossiable to get back.....GSO is simply extending this offer to other nations that for some reason aren't qualified to be TOA. So whats wrong with another alliance playing by the same rules, if we are doing something..we are creating a more peaceful world with our two alliances. If TOA is really concerned about another alliance taking its place they should of done the smart thing and made friends of their eneimes and recruit more...You say your like NATO well NATO is welcoming the former Eastern European Communist nations into their alliance now...it seems that NATO has got the right idea and TOA doesn't

GSO doesn't dictate a nations expansion. If Pushka wants to expand to other lands...fine with me. I might or might not help him, depends on what its for. Every nation has the right to claim land that is up for grabs. I ain't going to fight over a football field size island in the middle of some sea...and as i said before i have no navy so its not like im going to fly my army all the way to Mexico.

So with that in mind their is no possiable way that some can fear GSO.

Eh, okay, lol. So you wanna get your ass wooped again? Cause hell even with TOA at my doorstep taking you out shouldn't be any problem, especially if you attempt to retake the Baker infact Im thinking of attacking your fleet on approach so once you're within say 9000 km watch out.

Yeah...9,000km...yep...

Ok let me spit a couple of words and sorry if i don't get the full picture of whats going on here

Lay, to say that GSO is anti TOA is tom foolery. My relationship with TOA has only improved in the last few months. I opened but Free Trade agreements to any nation, i bought airplanes from Cotland. Sure i still criticize them sometimes but it was nothing compared to i use to whine about TOA. Me and COH have a great working relationship and i recongize COH has the rightful inherter of those russian lands. Im not going to try to reconquer those lands i see no reason why...and since Cotland drop a nuke down there why would i, i rather spend my money on new technology rather then cleaning up nuclear waste

However

I do find it odd that the only nations that have given me hardship is NG and Cotland, both just so happen to be in the TOA alliance. So how is TOA a "good guy" alliance when they have never potrayed themselves as good. How are they protecting the world from rogue nations when they conquering more land then defending..keep in mind i was peaceful when i had Bouvet Island. This was before my communist era...before i started to annoy people on E2. AND YET I WAS STILL ATTACK BOTH BY NG AND COTLAND, i simply can't trust certain nations within my boarders range.

I don't care about "fighting TOA" shit my nation is landlocked and doesn't even have a navy. I don't care about invading TOA territories. The only thing i care about is keeping Russia the way it is now and not the multi-color map that its becoming. All of the nations that are currently in Russia have every right to be there cause we have all claimed a part of Russian hertiage. From what use any other nation has for Russia is unjust as its not their motherland. If you really want land go after South America..i really don't care about what happens there or any other part of the world..BUT HANDS OFF RUSSIA


The simple fact remains that TOA has a safeguard when it comes to expansion. Cause no nation can attack a TOA held territory, giving free ride to the TOA and making former land impossiable to get back.....GSO is simply extending this offer to other nations that for some reason aren't qualified to be TOA. So whats wrong with another alliance playing by the same rules, if we are doing something..we are creating a more peaceful world with our two alliances. If TOA is really concerned about another alliance taking its place they should of done the smart thing and made friends of their eneimes and recruit more...You say your like NATO well NATO is welcoming the former Eastern European Communist nations into their alliance now...it seems that NATO has got the right idea and TOA doesn't

GSO doesn't dictate a nations expansion. If Pushka wants to expand to other lands...fine with me. I might or might not help him, depends on what its for. Every nation has the right to claim land that is up for grabs. I ain't going to fight over a football field size island in the middle of some sea...and as i said before i have no navy so its not like im going to fly my army all the way to Mexico.

So with that in mind their is no possiable way that some can fear GSO.

Well you guys cite the alliance of TOA as a whole when 1 person does something so I could use the same logic against GSO when 1 person spats out anti-TOA rhetoric...

TOA is not an alliance that protects the world from rogue nations though. We respect the sovereignty of each country (except when it interferes with our own). We're like NATO in size only really not much else. The way you feel about Russia is how I feel about the Caribbean Sea so I can't argue that sentiment in any respect. Also to allow something else here. You can attack a TOA nation it isn't mandated in the charter that said nation HAS to ask for help. They can refuse help themselves but if a nation within TOA is attacked and that person asks for help, the members are mandated to contribute in some way, shape, or form. It doesn't have to be militarily in nature but they can't sit back and go "Okay yeah sucks for you..."

Yeah...9,000km...yep...

Yeap, Buran made it to 8500 km, that was back in the stupid ages, in the 21st century, a big ass cruise missile with a two-stage booster, yeah 9000 km is about right. Now 3800 RHA for a tank turret, that being MT is highly questionable.

Well you guys cite the alliance of TOA as a whole when 1 person does something so I could use the same logic against GSO when 1 person spats out anti-TOA rhetoric...

I only started anti-TOA rhetoric again then you started preparing to attack me. Before that there were plenty of reasons to, TOA hasn't been friendly with me for quite some time now, then ever you got a chance to screw me over in some way, shape or form you took that chance so sorry for not liking you too much. Now I would love to open diplomatic relations with EoL as I already have with Cotland (that threw them away the first chance he got) and SB (thats actually keeping them as of now). I think you need to go back to your Uni and relearn how politics work, you can't expect me to just stop calling you an evil empire and I can't expect you to not view my nation as a threat either however through diplomatic dialogue in time all that can be fixed. Thats how politics work. Reagan called USSR an Evil Empire (which it wasn't) but somehow (like its that hard) Gorbachev got past his ego and did not end the diplomatic talks with the US.

Yeap, Buran made it to 8500 km, that was back in the stupid ages, in the 21st century, a big ass cruise missile with a two-stage booster, yeah 9000 km is about right. Now 3800 RHA for a tank turret, that being MT is highly questionable.



I only started anti-TOA rhetoric again then you started preparing to attack me. Before that there were plenty of reasons to, TOA hasn't been friendly with me for quite some time now, then ever you got a chance to screw me over in some way, shape or form you took that chance so sorry for not liking you too much. Now I would love to open diplomatic relations with EoL as I already have with Cotland (that threw them away the first chance he got) and SB (thats actually keeping them as of now). I think you need to go back to your Uni and relearn how politics work, you can't expect me to just stop calling you an evil empire and I can't expect you to not view my nation as a threat either however through diplomatic dialogue in time all that can be fixed. Thats how politics work. Reagan called USSR an Evil Empire (which it wasn't) but somehow (like its that hard) Gorbachev got past his ego and did not end the diplomatic talks with the US.

You never stopped the rhetoric dude...

Pssttt...
http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=1973&hl=

And Silver Sky's post was before he revised the weights and the armor values..

You never stopped the rhetoric dude...

Because you never stopped being assholes to me, lol.

Pssttt...
http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=1973&hl=

And Silver Sky's post was before he revised the weights and the armor values..

I'll get Mac on this, he'll show you the light, something tells me that all the discussion in there is going under assumption that Doom's tank is PMT. Seriously 3800 mm RHA before 2012? And his tank weighs only 65 tons, wtf...eh, yeah defenetly need to get Mac on this.


On a sidenote, if you wish to be diplomatic my offer still stands.

I'll get Mac on this, he'll show you the light, something tells me that all the discussion in there is going under assumption that Doom's tank is PMT. Seriously 3800 mm RHA before 2012? And his tank weighs only 65 tons, wtf...eh, yeah defenetly need to get Mac on this.

Go run to Mac Push...Run to him about your DR-13 too...By the way Mac's all over Doom's thread.

OOC: Yeah I read but Mac consider PMT to be past 2012, past even 2016 if the PMT margin is placed at 2012 he might have something to say. Yeah, sure I'll go to Mac, he is much more knowledgeable on the matters such as tank then me and you combined, don't trust me, ask SB. DR-13 is a completely workable idea, yes I haven't quite finnished the explanation (although I have given enough for those who aren't extremely picky), you haven't started explanations for most of the shit you use. So what?


Really though degree in Political Science and this is how you act, really shows the lack of value in American education.

I'm told by Masspwnage that he reworked Doom's armor scheme and that my RHA values therefore are subject to change, a 25% decrease. But you should still go to Mac and whine about it. I'll adjust the armor values eventually.

OOC: Yeah I read but Mac consider PMT to be past 2012, past even 2016 if the PMT margin is placed at 2012 he might have something to say. Yeah, sure I'll go to Mac, he is much more knowledgeable on the matters such as tank then me and you combined, don't trust me, ask SB. DR-13 is a completely workable idea, yes I haven't quite finnished the explanation (although I have given enough for those who aren't extremely picky), you haven't started explanations for most of the shit you use. So what?


Really though degree in Political Science and this is how you act, really shows the lack of value in American education.

Do you see the amount of stuff I use? 418 individual indigenous systems and many of them have different aspects of each one. I can certainly explain them when I'm asked even though i don't have everything written out...You're the extremely picky one there bud just dishing it back to you.

Listen if you want to take this to the level of actually trolling and what not that's fine just tell everyone where you are going to college? Last time I checked it was North Carolina, which is in America. So good luck there buddy...Now you want to keep trolling?

Im not trolling and Im not the one who started this either. Check my IM btw. Well, yeah im in NC, but Im in Mechanical Engineering department, you're in Political Science....hmmm. And yeah, I am in US, the value of education is depleted, my schedule is more lax then I had in middle school in Russia (from 9 am to 6:30 pm non stop in there and then english tutoring after school, madness) I am not picky at all, simply if you're going to be picky about my shit I might as well show the example of yours that needs to be worked on. Also, bah, my post didn't get through before the server crashed I had a whole thing about how MP is not an authority on anything citing the time of his idea for a fusion powered naval gun and how he got owned then attempting to question Mish-11 by both me and Space Union.

Anyways, man, don't be so angry, I really don't want beef with you.

Im not trolling and Im not the one who started this either. Check my IM btw. Well, yeah im in NC, but Im in Mechanical Engineering department, you're in Political Science....hmmm. I am not picky at all, simply if you're going to be picky about my shit I might as well show the example of yours that needs to be worked on. Also, bah, my post didn't get through before the server crashed I had a whole thing about how MP is not an authority on anything citing the time of his idea for a fusion powered naval gun and how he got owned then attempting to question Mish-11 by both me and Space Union.

You specified American education there buddy stop trying to weasel out of it. Let's take it offsite this is getting too trollish here.

Im not really trolling...hmm, if anyone is trolling actually that would be you, I also edited that post before you posted yours read it again. I really have nothing much more to say to you, you're the one keeping this going. What exactly am I weaseling out of again? Whatever, Im about ready to end this.

All of the air is done for my site so that is 92 down and 326 to go.

Cool man, checked out your new site, looks very professional.

Enough is Enough would everyone just fight already!?

*click* (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12507883#post12507883)

EDIT- I also have a new thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12509291#post12509291 (World Summit On Peace)

GSO members check GSO forums.

ATTENTION!

After much discussion between the benevolent EII Moderators, Lay and I have decided that from this time forth, the population freeze is over. There shall be no fancy equations for working out what your nation's population should be, just don't try pulling the old 'I have four billion people on Nauru' thing (or whichever island it was). Keep it nice and fairly reasonable, or there shall be 'trouble'.

END COMMUNICATION!