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Nice job nabbing post 9k :)

only 1k to the 10k milestone.

By the way, isn't there still an embargo on Pantheaa?

Much like Elephantums threat ....
your evil embargo is only hurting my own people, while I in my glorious mansion continue to drink the finest wine. Then I come out of my balcony give a brilliant speech and the people see me as their savior

Much like Elephantums threat ....
your evil embargo is only hurting my own people, while I in my glorious mansion continue to drink the finest wine. Then I come out of my balcony give a brilliant speech and the people see me as their savior

Might as well live in lavish and luxury while your people starve ;) Sounds like Saddam...

Might as well live in lavish and luxury while your people starve ;) Sounds like Saddam...
So I guess the San Marinese are already all dead...it's not like Pantheaa and I had a trade deal that would allow the San Marinese to be fed.

OOC: Wow, Pantheaa really is the bastion of socialism....

IC:

"Comrade Premier, the Pantheaans are stating that Elephantum and other countries are starving them into submission!"

"Meh."

ALERT! ALERT! ANNOUNCEMENT!

After much deliberation and tense late-night negotiation, Lay and I have reworded Decree 2!

Decree 2: Earth II was originally created with the idea of giving a home to those who could not get a home on Earth I, the original Earth. In that, members of Earth I were not permitted to be part of Earth II and vica versa. This rule, we believe, has held the strongest. However, in the dawn of a new age whereby most Earths don't exist past a few weeks and other, alternative communities form offering something very unique and not like that of an Earth, there should be some guidelines to those. First and foremost, members of Earth II are not permitted to hold land on another Earth unless it is with a puppet that is not related to said nation. Members who participate on other Earths with independent puppets are asked to post on in their registered name for Earth II to avoid confusion. Secondly, members who use puppets on other Earths may not interchange resources between said Earth and Earth II, they exist completely independent of each other and do not intercross under any circumstances. Thirdly, off-site Earths shall not be subject to this rule. Members may join any number of off-site Earths, defined as Earths not present on NationStates forums, as regularly or as little as they wish. Fourthly, simulations that portray real-life countries, scenarios, events, and so on and so forth shall be allowed as they portray something independent of Earth II. Members do not have to use a puppet on said simulations but they must maintain that both are independent of each other. In light of this, said simulations must be representing of something "real-life." Decree originally enacted in post #139 and #181. Amended in post #9006.

ALERT! ALERT! ANNOUNCEMENT!

After much deliberation and tense late-night negotiation, Lay and I have reworded Decree 2!




HUUUZZAAAAAHHH!

To: Rest of the world

Elephantum has threaten INNOCENT Panthean civilians when he he said “I would propose that none rest until the last Pantheaan lie died." For the sake of world peace, condemn her words( sorry don’t know if Elephantum is fem or Masc).

To Pantheaa

And who are Pantheaa to speak of threats and murders? Who was it who bombed Jerusalem and killed innocent civilians? Who was it who threatened everyone in the immediate proximity to Israel when Pantheaa attempted to invade and occupy Israel under the cover of "liberating" Israel? We propose that the Panthean government clean out their own closets before they try to clean out the closets of others. The Elephanti can say exactly what they please, and there isn't a damned thing Pantheaa can do about it and get away unpunished. If any Panthean aircraft, ships or soldiers attack Elephantum, the Kingdom will assist its Elephanti friends. If any Panthean aircraft, ship or soldier come close to the territory of the Kingdom or otherwise appear to be threatening, we will take the appropriate measures to ensure our safety. You are hereby warned.

ALERT! ALERT! ANNOUNCEMENT!

After much deliberation and tense late-night negotiation, Lay and I have reworded Decree 2!
Word!

Vodka And Salted Pickles For Everyone!!!!

ALERT! ALERT! ANNOUNCEMENT!

After much deliberation and tense late-night negotiation, Lay and I have reworded Decree 2!

Yes we have. I shall update the main post immediately. This means that Earth 1900 - 2000, MWS, are all fine.

Pantheaa, pipe down, you make any offensive move and your gonna have nearly every nation on earth trying to invade you. Now hush.

On another note, NG has just sold me Niger for $800 Billion.

Please visit www.michaelyon-online.com.

Another biased pro-Iraq war site? Any reason to bother?

Another biased pro-Iraq war site? Any reason to bother?

Because the person who does it is a soldier over there fighting the war, that's why. You'll see a different side of things than you will on the media.

To: Elephantum

We do not take threats lightly! The words which you have spoken are in violation of our international law. They speak of invasion and death on peaceful Pantheaa. From a member of a alliance that supposedly is for "protection". Therefore if you do not retract your statement we shall launch a pre-emptive strike. This will not be an invasion but an air strike at Elephantum military instutions.



To: Rest of the world

Elephantum has threaten INNOCENT Panthean civilians when he he said “I would propose that none rest until the last Pantheaan lie died." For the sake of world peace, condemn her words( sorry don’t know if Elephantum is fem or Masc).

Official Reply

YOUR international law? International law is just that, international. "Peaceful" Pantheaa invaded Templarian Israel, forcing a joint response from Carthage, Norway, and ourselves. After you agreed to back down, a terrorist organization, with ties to your government, attacked religious sites in Jerusalem. State-sponsored terrorism and attacking holy sites are not banned by my international law, but by the true international law, which every civilized nation on the planet follows. You let your people starve while living a life of luxury, instead of the honorable choice. When Bahrain was attacked by the Soviets (Hogsweat), High Sultan Wandu e-Mumman was injured, remaining in the city to help fight even when he had the chance to flee. Not every Pantheaan deserves to lie dead, but surely you, and those who keep you in power do. Your people deserve nothing less than a new ruler, a democratic government. Until the day this happens, the Flag Act (which includes an embargo) on Pantheaa shall continue.


(OOC: NG-what about if I give you Iranian Provinces 5,6, 22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30, and 19 for Oman. You get the oil, I keep the religious nutjobs?)

Official Communique From The Roman Government

Should Pantheaa take any action against the Elephanti Government, the Roman Empire will not hesitate to intervene.

Caesar Gaius Romanus Rodinus Hartianus

OOC: Considering that territorially, San Marino is completely surrounded by me, it's best you start listening now...

Same applies for NR, we're hungry for Indian ocean islands...

OOC: Lay I think I still have some islands on the carribean but they don't show on the map. Just bringing it to your attention.

IC:
The Empire of Teh Ninjas, as always, shall remain neutral in the event of a military strike. We ask that both parties try to mend their differences.

So what the world is saying now is that its ok to threaten INNOCENT CIVILIANS because of something my government did? That its ok to kill a Panthean child because of Israel. Even though the child had nothing to do with the war. Israel was a war of liberation we went into Israel to free it from the hands of the imperialist who want to SPLIT IN HALF and DIVIDE ITS PEOPLE. And that’s exactly what they did. Right now in Israel a 23 woman is a Carthaginian while her grandma is a Norwegian!!! Israel is divided and weak. Pantheaa would rather see a united Israel....even if its not controlled by Pantheaa.

Hirgzstan....an invasion against my nation is going to happen even if i didn't start a storm of rhetoric. Its all a conspiracy. Just like how they drove us out of Slovakia they will eventually drive us out of Russia. We refuse to be nomads and we refuse to see Pantheaa destroyed by some nations greed for land. And i repeat its your embargos that are hurting my people not me!!

That’s why my people love me. I offer them security against those who will harm them. I restore peace and justice to my people, either they are with me or against me

Like I said before my government claims no responsibility for the terrorist attacks in Israel. Those attacks were carried out by a renegade faction of the Panthean military. We are currently seeking the arrest of its leaders.
Some of the terrorist to give contributions to political parties. But so do many other shady people in democracies

Pantheaa, face facts, any invasion against you would be a multi-theatre, multi-front war that would probably result in allied forces arriving in your capital very quickly. Those terrorists have direct ties to Pantheaa, no matter how you try and cover it up, and I'm surprised you weren't invaded back then. Now, resume your status as an International Pariah.

The Merchant Princes shall not surrender the Duchy of Jerusalem to any nation.

OOC: Lay I think I still have some islands on the carribean but they don't show on the map. Just bringing it to your attention.

IC:
The Empire of Teh Ninjas, as always, shall remain neutral in the event of a military strike. We ask that both parties try to mend their differences.

Which ones?

This place needs a battle royale.

The Kingdom of Norway and the United Sultanates of Elephantum enjoy an open border policy, where citizens of both nations are free to cross if they so please. This is especially true in Israel, which is a holy land for both the Elephanti, who are predominantly Muslim, and the Norwegians, who are predominantly Christian. We recommend the Communist regime in Pantheaa to check its facts before it speaks next if it wishes to survive another evening. Because of these prepostorous claims and insults towards the Kingdom and its allies, we are demanding an official appology from the Panthean government, live before the world community and its own citizens, as well as the hand-over of the terrorists responsible for the attacks on Israel within 24 hours. We know they reside within Pantheaas borders. If these demands aren't met, certain actions will be taken. The clock is ticking...

This place needs a battle royale.

Count me in.

So what the world is saying now is that its ok to threaten INNOCENT CIVILIANS because of something my government did? That its ok to kill a Panthean child because of Israel. Even though the child had nothing to do with the war. Israel was a war of liberation we went into Israel to free it from the hands of the imperialist who want to SPLIT IN HALF and DIVIDE ITS PEOPLE. And that’s exactly what they did. Right now in Israel a 23 woman is a Carthaginian while her grandma is a Norwegian!!! Israel is divided and weak. Pantheaa would rather see a united Israel....even if its not controlled by Pantheaa.

Hirgzstan....an invasion against my nation is going to happen even if i didn't start a storm of rhetoric. Its all a conspiracy. Just like how they drove us out of Slovakia they will eventually drive us out of Russia. We refuse to be nomads and we refuse to see Pantheaa destroyed by some nations greed for land. And i repeat its your embargos that are hurting my people not me!!

That’s why my people love me. I offer them security against those who will harm them. I restore peace and justice to my people, either they are with me or against me

Like I said before my government claims no responsibility for the terrorist attacks in Israel. Those attacks were carried out by a renegade faction of the Panthean military. We are currently seeking the arrest of its leaders.
Some of the terrorist to give contributions to political parties. But so do many other shady people in democracies

We do not wish to kill the average Pantheaans who lie starving in your streets, merely to remove those who force them to starve while living opulent lifestyles and work in comfortable jobs. You say the our embargoes hurt your people, not you. Do you feel any remorse for your actions, and condemning your citizens to starvation? Apparently your people "love you" because you protect them from the outside world, but you cannot protect them against starvation. Perhaps you should try to feed your people before you begin "liberating" others. Yes, perhaps the woman and her grandmother live in different countries, but as the Norweigans stated, border security is merely a formality. Five minutes at a border patrol station is surely a worthy price to pay in exchange for a full stomach. The Israelis could be assured they would be treated well, as Templarian citizens in Iraq, Kuwait, and Qatar were when we restored order there years ago. Israel was divided largely to prevent a nation like yours from damaging the countless historical and religious sites in the religion irreparably, something your military proved was a rational concern.

Perhaps there was a reason you were driven out of Slovakia, you cannot manage to feed your own population as it is, but you want to add more land, overpopulated and arid as it is, more citizens to starve, and more holy sites to desecrate. You are guilty of crimes against the Human race, and deserve to be condemned by the world on the following charges:

Desecration of Religious Sites (2 counts)
Sponsoring Terrorist Activities
Denial of Human Necessities (Several million counts, one for every starving citizen)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=464520

New RP, called "Dobbeltspill".

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9844412&postcount=10

Last time The Wick posted which is in excess of 60 days (prior to 11.20.05) so he would be D12.

I claim Wick's Estonia and Latvia.

I claim Wick's Estonia and Latvia.

Ye shall have to RP.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10272323#post10272323

^ Sealed the borders of the Vatican. How long do I have for Huahin to respond before it becomes mine?

I claim Latvia....I'll fight Bjornoya over it if i have to

I claim Latvia....I'll fight Bjornoya over it if i have to

Let's go, I dare you.

Alright then lets go then

Rogue Nation? Whats that mean.

OOC-
It means i don't get a F*@! what other nations say. It means im a rebel in a trench coat. It means that im not going to get hold down just because im not some inner circle

Is Bjor in an alliance. If yes, then is his little alliance going to help him expand and is the "rival" alliance going to let him expand even though the non-aggression pact was signed for protection not expansion. Man as soon as i find land in the other earths im leaving E2 its almost impossible to get anywhere in this god dam earth

Yo, I want to expand into the Baltic States, don't go hedging on my action Panthea...we'll be fighting a war in foreign territory! Then we'll both be rogue states!!!

Operation Tiamut: A New Home for Bjornoya (E2) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10272494#post10272494)

My post for Estonia and Lithuania.

Riptide let's talk. And I'll need to discuss matters with NG as well.

Oh shit, man...following that line of reasoning, Bjornoya, about half of my populace would welcome you with open arms. I think I would lose a war with you, however....let's negotiate something else.

Does the Italian Penninsula currently have an occupier? Because I could totally do that.

So Pan, have you officially declared war on me? Please state so now.

Yes, my Motherland has it's occupiers.

Thus I play Japan instead...xD.

Anyway, I am undecided in this war. As I have ties with people attached to Pan, and how I do not believe what Pan is doing is right I can not see my people engaging in this conflict. Even though I want too, I need to settle other things as well.

Damn it, why can't I just push the Red Button with-out getting one pushed back at me?

Does the Italian Penninsula currently have an occupier? Because I could totally do that.

Split in half by myself and The Lightning Star, and we're both not going to be giving up any land. Sorry.

Man as soon as i find land in the other earths im leaving E2 its almost impossible to get anywhere in this god dam earth

You keep on picking fights with everyone. That's why no one wants to help you out. Plus, you went after an already claimed land- Latvia. If you really want it, offer to buy it or split it- don't insist on a fight.

Ok well heres im answer........................

No

I have decided to let the baby have his bottle. Estonia and Latvia is yours...but whats this no objections from the TOA? So a nation that belongs to VCO is getting BIGGER more POWERFUL with each nation they conquer and all you can do is sit on your behinds.
Once again proof that the one world alliance known as the TOA-VCO alliance

You keep on picking fights with everyone. That's why no one wants to help you out.

Im not trying to pick a fight with anyone IM TRYING TO GET SOME MORE LAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But im held down my Roman Confederacy-like alliance forces other nations to abide by their laws.


You guys suck as world leaders. You see Pantheaa which as the 60th mightest army on E2 more of a threat then Bjor whose army must rank in the top 20

I'm not the one being immature about things.

OOC-
Im not being immature about anything

My nation lives by an "Expand or die" policy. I was one of the most peaceful nations when i first started in Slovakia, i was even an active member of an alliance. But i was invaded for some reason. Then the RC pulled a screw job on me. Note to all newcomers never join in any of these "alliances"

Now if you been threw the kind of hell that Pantheans of been through you too would elect a fascist paranoid government.

TOA hasn't even had time to respond yet, and it's not like I'm any threat to them. What am I going to do, bomb them to death with all my money? Hmm...

*makes mental note to shower nation with counterfeit money, thereby causing massive inflation thereby ruining their economy*

Since I think you missed it, I'll post it again:

Plus, you went after an already claimed land- Latvia. If you really want it, offer to buy it or split it- don't insist on a fight.

Moving on...

My nation lives by an "Expand or die" policy. I was one of the most peaceful nations when i first started in Slovakia, i was even an active member of an alliance. But i was invaded for some reason. Then the RC pulled a screw job on me. Note to all newcomers never join in any of these "alliances"

Now if you been threw the kind of hell that Pantheans of been through you too would elect a fascist paranoid government.

*sigh* I've said it all before, and I'll say it again- the Roman Confederacy had no plot against you. You always seem to forget that *I* came to your aid, and that it was just North Germania who attacked, not the rest of us. Plus, you're taking the RP very personally and you really shouldn't- this is just a game.

Really, ever since that instance all you've ever done is fight, even OOCly. You haven't been very communal and that's why nobody wants to help you. If you were reasonable and patient- that's the key to getting land here- you just might get what you want. Insist on taking on a seven nation army (or, in this case, 20) and you will be getting nowhere.

TOA hasn't even had time to respond yet, and it's not like I'm any threat to them. What am I going to do, bomb them to death with all my money? Hmm...

*makes mental note to shower nation with counterfeit money, thereby causing massive inflation thereby ruining their economy*

LOL...I like the idea; but that's only if they're not good at catching phonies :D

LOL...I like the idea; but that's only if they're not good at catching phonies :D

True, it would still cause massive economic ruin for small businesses if every business needed to purchase an expensive counterfeit detection machine.

True, it would still cause massive economic ruin for small businesses if every business needed to purchase an expensive counterfeit detection machine.
Don't think they're that expensive anymore...every business seems to have one nowadays. I like the thought though.

True in America, not sure of rest of world. And might I say the quality of our currency is incredible, I washed a $20 bill twice in a heavy load and nothing happened except it got wet. No smudging or tearing, was quite impressed.

Anyway, guess the plan would work, but only on nations who either haven't forseen such a problem and their currency is easily replicable or they don't have enough money to make good money, in which case ruining their already ruined economy would be pointless.

True in America, not sure of rest of world. And might I say the quality of our currency is incredible, I washed a $20 bill twice in a heavy load and nothing happened except it got wet. No smudging or tearing, was quite impressed.

Anyway, guess the plan would work, but only on nations who either haven't forseen such a problem and their currency is easily replicable or they don't have enough money to make good money, in which case ruining their already ruined economy would be pointless.

The thought occurred to me...you can create a whole bunch of multinational corporations that can operate everywhere and you can dominate that way.

Hey Lay, could you change the claims list? It still says I own bits of Angola when I gave them to Bjorn a while back

Pantheaa, stop whinging. I have no problems with Bjornoya invading Latvia and Estonia, he helped me in Africa.

Bjorn, you need any help in the Baltic just shout. Also, how about an economic deal once you get things sorted there?

I have decided to let the baby have his bottle. Estonia and Latvia is yours...but whats this no objections from the TOA? So a nation that belongs to VCO is getting BIGGER more POWERFUL with each nation they conquer and all you can do is sit on your behinds.
Once again proof that the one world alliance known as the TOA-VCO alliance



Oh yes thats why we were at each other's throats just two weeks ago.

Panthea you need to reform your government and get better relations with other nations, through that you will be able to get more land.

I just watched the saddest (and greatest, in my opinion) war movie ever; Taegukgi: The Brotherhood of War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taegukgi_%28film%29). It was amazing. Yet also 10x as depressing as Shindlers list and the Pianist combined.

Thanks Hirgy, I don't think there will be any war but I'm gonna have to discuss matters with both Riptide and NG since they seem most interested in the region.

Is Greater Valia Decree 12? If so I claim his African territorries (will rearrange again after if he is decree 12)

Bjorn check TGs.

Nice job nabbing post 9k :)

only 1k to the 10k milestone.

By the way, isn't there still an embargo on Pantheaa?




God blessed I tried to get post 9000 but my ****ing Internet service kept crashing.

Bjorn i replied to your TG.

Hello Layarteb, everyone. This is Yerffej, just returned after yet another long hiatus. Just wondering if there were a wait list or something to nab some land if someone is declared inactive. I would love to RP with y'all.

Ok, what do i need to do to get these embargos lifted?

Ok, what do i need to do to get these embargos lifted?
Way more than you do now. Loose the attitude and constant ranting against the various countries, alliances, agreements, "imperialism" and whatnot. Oh, and a change in regime would be very welcome. Anywho, since you haven't appologized for the verbal attacks on Elephantum or myself (the whole Israel thingy) or handed over the terrorists, you're gonna have to pay (this is all OOCly btw). I'm repeating the ultimatum: You have less than one hour to hand over the terrorists and appologize, or we will take punitive action (well, not this. This last bit is IC).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10275908&postcount=17

Told you that I would get it...!

Hmm, the fake attack trick, where did i hear about a similar scenario before? Oh yeah thats right, then i posted it on Lay's forums. Gosh, you're so unoriginal/.

Meh. I choose to see it as putting a very good idea into action. That's praise. God I hate myself for giving it... ; )

Way more than you do now. Loose the attitude and constant ranting against the various countries, alliances, agreements, "imperialism" and whatnot. Oh, and a change in regime would be very welcome. Anywho, since you haven't appologized for the verbal attacks on Elephantum or myself (the whole Israel thingy) or handed over the terrorists, you're gonna have to pay (this is all OOCly btw). I'm repeating the ultimatum: You have less than one hour to hand over the terrorists and appologize, or we will take punitive action (well, not this. This last bit is IC).


Some but not all of those conditions will be met. Except for the verbal attack on Elephantum who said that all Pantheans should die. I won't apoligize till he apoligizes first. The terrorist will not be handed over...we really don't know where they are.

OOC- Isn't it kind of ironic that Layertab often tells me that two wrongs don't make a right but yet Norway is going to take actions against me simply cause what was said.

you threatened to do the same. Some people just back up their threats.

Meh. I said that I would do something if you didn't meet all the demands. You didn't, so I did what I said I'd do. I consider myself to be a man of my word...

I don't know where the terrorist are

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10275908&postcount=17

Told you that I would get it...!

Stole my idea. Oh, well I don't care.

I don't know where the terrorist are
That is none of my concern. They're your terrorists. Now, hand them over or you might lose something else...

Give me one more day and you shall have your terrorist. I also need clearance by the Russian Federation to fly over their territory. So I can devliver the terrorist

Bitch. Bitch. Moan. Gripe. Just fight.

Lay, is Greater Valia Decree 12? I haven't seen him... ever If he is I claim his bit of Angola.

Give me one more day and you shall have your terrorist. I also need clearance by the Russian Federation to fly over their territory. So I can devliver the terrorist
Much appreciated, but you won't get Bouvet back. That's being kept as repatriation for the 29 sailors you allegedly killed and the very expensive frigate you sunk. Handing over the terrorist(s) will result in you getting to keep other posessions. And I have the means of taking them if I want to, just so you are aware of that (if you don't believe me, check out my military listing at Lay's forums and look under "Navy" and "Marine Corps"). We await the handover of the terrorist for propper interrogation and trial.

Give me one more day and you shall have your terrorist. I also need clearance by the Russian Federation to fly over their territory. So I can devliver the terrorist

Permission granted.

Ok so the world wins..
Communist of Pantheaa no longer exist. But just to warn you all now E2 is going to get boring!!! You'll all miss the Russel "You wanna fight" Crowe Pantheaa! If it gets to boring i might just leave E2

Several things are going to change...
- No more terrorist state
- No more Imperalism talk
- No more Russia and Europe only claims (i now will seek whatever is open all over the world)
- No more wars on neutral nations
- No more alliance talk but i still distrust them
- New embassies to be open (might be posted tomarrow)
- Capitalism is the new economic system
- The nation will be called "The Republic of Pantheaa" instead of the "Peoples Confederation of Pantheaa" its former name under Communist rule
- No more President for life...now its just President
- Roman Catholic is the offical religion. Church is reinstated
- Woman no longer serve in Infantry
- Israel is no longer a target of Pantheaa. New Government will pay 20 million for repairs made to holy sites.
- No draft
- No more Red Scorpion flag which is the flag of Brotherhood of Nod terrorist ring



http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=464699

Message to the New Panthean Government

We would like to have an embassy exchange with the new nation of Panthea, also purhapse i can personally meet with my Panthean counter part so we can discuss a wide array of issues including Russian Federation investment in Panthean industries. Also in case you require help of our peacekeepers we will be happy to send our men at your request, we shall spare anything to stabilize the region we call our own. My colleague in Ministry of Defense has already agreed with me and so did Gospodin President.

http://www.economforum.iacis.ru/images/foto/lavrov.jpg


Leonid Lomonosov,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Does anyone own Diego Garcia? It's just I'm looking for Indian ocean airbases.

Does anyone own Diego Garcia? It's just I'm looking for Indian ocean airbases.
At least I used to... not even sure if I still own them, but I think I sold them to someone. Not sure who though...

If Greater Valia is D12 I claim Malawi.

Ok so the world wins..
Communist of Pantheaa no longer exist. But just to warn you all now E2 is going to get boring!!! You'll all miss the Russel "You wanna fight" Crowe Pantheaa! If it gets to boring i might just leave E2

Several things are going to change...
- No more terrorist state
- No more Imperalism talk
- No more Russia and Europe only claims (i now will seek whatever is open all over the world)
- No more wars on neutral nations
- No more alliance talk but i still distrust them
- New embassies to be open (might be posted tomarrow)
- Capitalism is the new economic system
- The nation will be called "The Republic of Pantheaa" instead of the "Peoples Confederation of Pantheaa" its former name under Communist rule
- No more President for life...now its just President
- Roman Catholic is the offical religion. Church is reinstated
- Woman no longer serve in Infantry
- Israel is no longer a target of Pantheaa. New Government will pay 20 million for repairs made to holy sites.
- No draft
- No more Red Scorpion flag which is the flag of Brotherhood of Nod terrorist ring



http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=464699

Wait does this mean no more antics because I honestly liked them :).

If Greater Valia is D12 I claim Malawi.

Bah Humbug...He is...gar!!! Damn this 60 day crap...

Ok well heres im answer........................

No

I have decided to let the baby have his bottle. Estonia and Latvia is yours...but whats this no objections from the TOA? So a nation that belongs to VCO is getting BIGGER more POWERFUL with each nation they conquer and all you can do is sit on your behinds.
Once again proof that the one world alliance known as the TOA-VCO alliance



Im not trying to pick a fight with anyone IM TRYING TO GET SOME MORE LAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But im held down my Roman Confederacy-like alliance forces other nations to abide by their laws.


You guys suck as world leaders. You see Pantheaa which as the 60th mightest army on E2 more of a threat then Bjor whose army must rank in the top 20

Do you want the TOA to object to everything someone from VCO does? If so that won't be happening, we're not really that desperate. Hell TOA didn't really ever have a full quarrel with VCO, just certain members.

Legend

Red: General announcements (21-day, decree 12, etc.)
Blue: Response to your posts (claims, threads, etc.)
Green: Service announcements (to all, RPs, etc.)




Great Vailia: Okay so he is Decree 12. Now in light of this there have been three posts 9058 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10274436&postcount=9058), 9076 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10277375&postcount=9076), and 9083 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10278395&postcount=9083) concerning getting his land by Bjornoya and Hirgizstan. Since Earth II is usually first come and first serve and technically he was not D12 until I am declaring it I will allow you to to work it out amongst yourselves how you want to do what. RPs are required.





Hirgizstan [Post 9012]: Niger transferred.
Cotland [Post 9028]: Thread added.
Bjornoya [Post 9030/39]: Thread added & claims moved.
NR [Post 9054]: Changed.
Simbabwe [Post 9062]: Hey man what's up. There's some land changing hands right now if you can nab any of it, not sure how willing people are to fork it over but they may be.
Pantheaa [Post 9079]: Thread added.
NR [Post 9081]: I'm not sure what is the deal with Diego Garcia to be honest. TLS you are dominant in that area, you have any clue?

FYI I got my copy of Company. FABULOSO! I think Jennifer Government had a much better twist to it in that it held you for longer and it was just fabulous and since I play NS I am biased to it but Company is shaping up to be something very awesome. A lot of things there I recognize working at Home Depot, it's so funny. GOOD JOB MAX KEEP IT UP! I'll let ya know my fullness once I finish Company but let's just say I did 81 pages in my first session reading it. I love the little "IN-IN" icons :).

I'll take Angola and Hirgy takes Malawi: that's fine by me.

I'll take Angola and Hirgy takes Malawi: that's fine by me.

If he confirms that you two are good and you can RP. You can do one RP, two, it's up to you two. If not then these guys will probably eat your liver out to get some claims. Land is so scarce lol. Now with that in mind, if this is done that fast, cool no hassle.

AS a side note. I am interested in doing a possible RP with my CVBG getting too close to another CVBG or something, maybe some tensions, Tom Clancy style. Anyone interested. Bjorn I would like to see if you and I could but I don't know if you are that Navy-oriented.

I'm honored but honestly anything military past WW2 unless I make it up seems rather complicated for me, but I really want to learn. What was the idea, I'd be up to it if you would be.

I'm honored but honestly anything military past WW2 unless I make it up seems rather complicated for me, but I really want to learn. What was the idea, I'd be up to it if you would be.

Basically I have a CVBG roaming somewhere near Archangelsk or something probably up there on a routine patrol you know my standard stuff that I do. I get a little too close to you, tensions arise, etc. Maybe some air engagements or something like in the beginning of Top Gun, nobody fires but it gets hairy.

Wait does this mean no more antics because I honestly liked them :).

Yes it does. The antics were fun too!!

Yes it does. The antics were fun too!!

BAH! We need a rogue nation/state/wacko.

Basically I have a CVBG roaming somewhere near Archangelsk or something probably up there on a routine patrol you know my standard stuff that I do. I get a little too close to you, tensions arise, etc. Maybe some air engagements or something like in the beginning of Top Gun, nobody fires but it gets hairy.

Sure, I'll have some extra fleets be arriving from Africa. They'll be hungry, tired, and overall pissed off.

Is Sierra Leone owned by anyone? I don't see it claimed on either of the lists. If it is unclaimed I claim it.

Sure, I'll have some extra fleets be arriving from Africa. They'll be hungry, tired, and overall pissed off.

I'm writing up the intro post now. I figure the best place to have it is in the North Atlantic, where the TOA has a serious role. They could be coming northward from there to Estonia or something whichever you want.

Fox 2 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=464839)

Here you go Bjorn.

Is Sierra Leone owned by anyone? I don't see it claimed on either of the lists. If it is unclaimed I claim it.

OOC-
Jesus christ and people accuse me of being a madman that guy is off and a claiming spree

I'm writing up the intro post now. I figure the best place to have it is in the North Atlantic, where the TOA has a serious role. They could be coming northward from there to Estonia or something whichever you want.

Ok, you're South of Azores and headed towards Bouvet with a storm directly south headed north, leaving a course between the African coast and the storm a plausible route for your fleet(?) I'm headed north from E. Guinea, and they meet somewhere a few hundred miles off the coast of north western Africa. Make any sense or no?

Just got back from dinner, gonna finish physics HW and as soon as I'm back respond.

OOC-
Jesus christ and people accuse me of being a madman that guy is off and a claiming spree

'Expand or Die'

Ok, you're South of Azores and headed towards Bouvet with a storm directly south headed north, leaving a course between the African coast and the storm a plausible route for your fleet(?) I'm headed north from E. Guinea, and they meet somewhere a few hundred miles off the coast of north western Africa. Make any sense or no?

Just got back from dinner, gonna finish physics HW and as soon as I'm back respond.

Err we could meet up at teh storm? The storm is moving northward and so is your fleet but you are far behind it...We could always just collide in the middle of the storm. That would make it that much more annoying.

OOC-
Jesus christ and people accuse me of being a madman that guy is off and a claiming spree

Yo Panthea you mind responding to the message to your government i posted on the last page?

BAH! We need a rogue nation/state/wacko.

I am not wacko enough for you? Your hurt my feelings. I mean after getting drunk and almost melting away the polar ice caps...heh....

Lay/Bjorn-Is anything major going to come out of that storm thing? Only asking because I have a base in Eq. Guinea, and, if the shit hits the fan, then we could actually have a war (not a big scream fight and a peace conference, an actual war)

Also, whenever you next update the Russia map, I can't tell the difference between Pantheaa and Pushka on that map.

Lay/Bjorn-Is anything major going to come out of that storm thing? Only asking because I have a base in Eq. Guinea, and, if the shit hits the fan, then we could actually have a war (not a big scream fight and a peace conference, an actual war)

Also, whenever you next update the Russia map, I can't tell the difference between Pantheaa and Pushka on that map.


Hey man, can i get a port somethere in your pacific? If you are i can give you a land base in Europe.

I am not wacko enough for you? Your hurt my feelings. I mean after getting drunk and almost melting away the polar ice caps...heh....

Should have rephrased that better. E2 needs someone wacko and rogue but not homicidal.

Lay/Bjorn-Is anything major going to come out of that storm thing? Only asking because I have a base in Eq. Guinea, and, if the shit hits the fan, then we could actually have a war (not a big scream fight and a peace conference, an actual war)

Also, whenever you next update the Russia map, I can't tell the difference between Pantheaa and Pushka on that map.

Is anything? Doubtful. As far as the map...err let me see.

Are you colorblind (serious question)?

Pantheaa is dark blue & Pushka is a medium green.

Im not colorblind, it may be my monitor (no idea why) but they both look different shades of dark blue.

EDIT Pushka-i gave my pacific lands away. If you want the Indian ocean, i could sell you the island of Socotra.

Im not colorblind, it may be my monitor (no idea why) but they both look different shades of dark blue.

Oddness. The actual colors are these:
#003333 (Pushka)
#000033 (Pantheaa)

Im not colorblind, it may be my monitor (no idea why) but they both look different shades of dark blue.

EDIT Pushka-i gave my pacific lands away. If you want the Indian ocean, i could sell you the island of Socotra.

Sure, how much? Also we're working on the base exchange program for VCO, you should check the forums out, tell me if i didn't give you access yet.

Im to lazy to create a new thread so look at my military coup thread for the embassy exchange program.

I've got a new plane ;)

:upyours:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10282566#post10282566

Facing the Old Demons


Lay, new plane? Wtf?

Im to lazy to create a new thread so look at my military coup thread for the embassy exchange program.

Just don't forget to eventually address my proposal, you won't regret it.

Also Ele, so are you in Roman Confederacy now? Cause that would mean that you can't be a member of VCO.

Lay/Bjorn-Is anything major going to come out of that storm thing? Only asking because I have a base in Eq. Guinea, and, if the shit hits the fan, then we could actually have a war (not a big scream fight and a peace conference, an actual war)

Also, whenever you next update the Russia map, I can't tell the difference between Pantheaa and Pushka on that map.

I'm not planning anything drastic, but do want it to be suspenseful. Storm should add a lot of craziness.

Yeah Lay, I too have trouble with seeing the maps but not the Russia one. Africa seems very strange to me, I can't tell the difference between GV yellow-green, USB yellow-green, NR dull green and Carthaginian dull yellow or Kreynorian purple and Bjornoyan pink. And some of my territories appear grey to me. I don't know, I think my eyes are going.

Bjorn man, don't forget to register on Lay's boards.

You can tell it's me in Africa because I only own the Sudan.

Bjorn, do you want to do a joint operation to secure Greater Valia's land, or what?

Bjorn, do you want to do a joint operation to secure Greater Valia's land, or what?

I threw a few paragraphs in Topaz about Visara taking Angola. I need to wrap up the military campaign down there so I can get to the 'Cure for AIDS' thingy.

Pushka-Yes I am in the new RC, but would it still be possible to do a base exchange thing? What if you get a 99 year lease on Socotra, and I get a 99 year lease somewhere up in Russia?

Well i don't know man, i mean the fact that you're in the Roman Confederacy means that you completely give up your VCO membership since you broke one of the most important rules, prioritising VCO over all other alliances. I really don't know what position my governement will have towards yours. Maybe we should improve foreign relations just in case, have a conference, talk about mutual trade and all such things, you're up for it? I just feel that we need to solidify the status of the relationship between our governments.

I threw a few paragraphs in Topaz about Visara taking Angola. I need to wrap up the military campaign down there so I can get to the 'Cure for AIDS' thingy.

Bjorn you wanna have some wargames?

Also anyway i can exchange all of Komi and maybe some money for both Latvia and Estonia? You will get to keep 1 military port and 2 commercial ports, plus a military base and of course all the ports i would own would be open to you as well since we are in the same alliance, which means really, really low tarrifs on incoming goods. What do you think?

Announcement:

I am back in town finally and my eye is doing somewhat better. I should be able to get up and running fulltime again in the next few days.

-Hawdawg

I'm not planning anything drastic, but do want it to be suspenseful. Storm should add a lot of craziness.

Yeah Lay, I too have trouble with seeing the maps but not the Russia one. Africa seems very strange to me, I can't tell the difference between GV yellow-green, USB yellow-green, NR dull green and Carthaginian dull yellow or Kreynorian purple and Bjornoyan pink. And some of my territories appear grey to me. I don't know, I think my eyes are going.

The Africa one needs to be redone.

Hey, Lay can you add the "Fighting the Old Demons" thread? Link somethere on the last page i think.

Hey, Lay can you add the "Fighting the Old Demons" thread? Link somethere on the last page i think.

When I update if you would have some patience please.

When I update if you would have some patience please.

no problem.

Also anyway i can exchange all of Komi and maybe some money for both Latvia and Estonia? You will get to keep 1 military port and 2 commercial ports, plus a military base and of course all the ports i would own would be open to you as well since we are in the same alliance, which means really, really low tarrifs on incoming goods. What do you think?

Check TG's please.

Checked and replied. Either way, i agree, its a deal.

What about the wargames?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=464970 - Azimethian Civil War

I've exchanged control of Latvia and Estonia to Pushka along with $250 billion for Komi and Novaya Zemlya Archipelago.

I confirm.

Legend

Red: General announcements (21-day, decree 12, etc.)
Blue: Response to your posts (claims, threads, etc.)
Green: Service announcements (to all, RPs, etc.)









Bjorn/Hirg [Post 9089]: Okay just post the RP and it shall be settled.
Bjorn [Post 9096]: Sierra Leone added.
Pushka [Post 9114]: Thread added.
Azimeth [Post 9133]: Thread added.
Bjorn/Pushka [Post 9134]: Land changed.

Official message

After the news of the Russian purchase of Baltic areas, the Norwegian Ministry of Defense has decided to increase the already substantial naval presence in the south of Norway with a new coastal patrol unit. This unit will be responsible for patrolling the Skagerak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skagerak) strait between Norway and Denmark, ensuring that no foreign vessel enter Norwegian territorial waters, which are set to 24 nautical miles. Standard Norwegian policy when detecting a foreign vessel illegally in Norwegian waters is to sink it upon detection. For this use, submarines, surface combatants, aircraft and mines will be utilized. It is widely expected that the Fourth Reich which holds among other Denmark will take similar actions. The ban on Russian vessels entering Norwegian waters is still in effect.

Official message

After the news of the Russian purchase of Baltic areas, the Norwegian Ministry of Defense has decided to increase the already substantial naval presence in the south of Norway with a new coastal patrol unit. This unit will be responsible for patrolling the Skagerak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skagerak) strait between Norway and Denmark, ensuring that no foreign vessel enter Norwegian territorial waters, which are set to 24 nautical miles. Standard Norwegian policy when detecting a foreign vessel illegally in Norwegian waters is to sink it upon detection. For this use, submarines, surface combatants, aircraft and mines will be utilized. It is widely expected that the Fourth Reich which holds among other Denmark will take similar actions. The ban on Russian vessels entering Norwegian waters is still in effect.

The Empire fully supports this initiative of the Norwegian government. In addition, the Empire will be supporting its CVAE Battlegroup in the Norwegian Sea by basing a full CVBG Battlegroup in the North Sea.

Somewhere along the Northern Shore of Poland...
4:38 PM...

Der Führer was furious about the Russian encroachment on European soil. In his eyes, Europe was for Europeans, not Russians (OOC: Not my real-life stance, necessarily), and therefore should not be governed by Russians.

In response, he ordered the 1st Reichsmarine Fleet to station itself off of the coast of Lithuania. If Russian forces moved into the territories, the Latvian and Estonian military forces would be officially recognized by the Reich as their own autonomous entity and would be supplied weapons and ammunition enough to defend themselves. After all, they had been capable enough to keep the Fourth Reich out of their lands. Twice.

Once old enemies, it seemed that the Baltic Peoples and the Germans would be working together on this. At least in the sense that neither one wanted to see Russians marching into Europa. It was assumed that neither Die Baltisches Reich, Rome, Hawdawg, Norway, Greece, The Empire, nor Carthage would be too happy about it either. However, that was an assumption. A few of them the Reichskanzler could count on as absolutes though.

On the part of the Reich, no ground forces had been mobilized, as it had been decided that such an action would be seen as an act of hostility rather than defense.

Now, the spotlight was again on the Russians...

Message to the New Panthean Government

We would like to have an embassy exchange with the new nation of Panthea, also purhapse i can personally meet with my Panthean counter part so we can discuss a wide array of issues including Russian Federation investment in Panthean industries. Also in case you require help of our peacekeepers we will be happy to send our men at your request, we shall spare anything to stabilize the region we call our own. My colleague in Ministry of Defense has already agreed with me and so did Gospodin President.

http://www.economforum.iacis.ru/images/foto/lavrov.jpg


Leonid Lomonosov,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

From: Provisional Government of Pantheaa
To: Russian Federation

We would be honored to accept a meeting with Russian Federation in issues ranging from free trade to security. We are looking forward to seeing the Russian Fed embassy in Kursk

OOC- Ok so do i create a new thread about this or what?

OOC: Wait so are you breaking the NAP? Also your first Marine fleet, is it inside my territorial waters? There is not going to be a conflict, these lands belong to Bjornya he already peacefied them and sold them to me. Also guys, so you're going to be assholes and not let me out of the Baltic? Why the hell are you doing this guys? The bloody NAP is already signed.

IC:

Official Message

We find the actions of the members of the TOA, deeply troubeling and are offended by them. This especially comes into focus since we have just signed the Non-Aggression Pact and we had hoped that there was a possibility to warm up our relations with the TOA, however this does not seem to be the case. If any member of TOA enters our new territorial waters we will consider such an act a declaration of war and will respond accordingly. We have acquaired these territories in a ligal and peaceful way, we are a sovereign nation and will not be told what land we can have and what we cannot. I repeat, if a foreign vessel enters our territorial waters without permission they will be sunk. We urge the global community to condemn these unneccessary and provocative acts, we wish for nothing but peace we have proven that, why does the TOA wish to destabilize the situation? Why can't the TOA be guided by a spirit of friendship and cooperation that promotes improvement in foreign relations and a more stable humanity? I ask leaders of the nation of Norway and the Fourth Reich, to please discontinue these unneccessary acts, we wish for good relations with you, the kind we had with the nation of Norway not so long ago, why must you build up barriers that keep that from happening?

-Vladimir Ivanov, President of Russian Federation

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As Bjornyan forces began to leave, the 5th, 6th, and 8th armies were moved in to replace them on their posts, the arrangements started to be made to transport the 2nd, 5th, 9th and 17th carrier battle groups to the newly acquired ports via land.

From: Provisional Government of Pantheaa
To: Russian Federation

We would be honored to accept a meeting with Russian Federation in issues ranging from free trade to security. We are looking forward to seeing the Russian Fed embassy in Kursk

OOC- Ok so do i create a new thread about this or what?

OOC: sure you do that.

OOC: You really need to learn the terms of an NAP and what constitutes breaking them. I would probably have to say that they are usually nullified when someone attacks the other. This is the pointlessness of an NAP. Basically we will move our forces whenever, wherever, and however we please and as long as they don't violate your waters, tough.

The Empire must take into account the motives of the Russian Federation. They have moved into land that is dangerously close to the Fourth Reich and to Norway, which must be taken as a possible setup move for something much deadlier. The Empire will not retract its forces in the North Sea or the Norwegian Sea nor should it expect the Fourth Reich or Norway to repeal their measures. The Russian Federation feels the need to determine what nations can and cannot do in international waters, in their own territorial waters, and in their own land should they feel, by some glimer of a reason, it threatens them. This will not stand. As with incidents in the past, whereby Russian forces harrassed civilian and Layartebian vessels and aircraft in international waters and airspace, they shall not do the same here. The Empire encourages the Fourth Reich and Norway to adopt doctrines like that of the Doctrine of Sovereignty, enacted by the Empire concerning its own territorial waters. That doctrine shall be expanded concering Ireland and Iceland and Russian movements in and around those territories, given their extreme proximity to the situation.

The Empire shall be adding the following Article to the Doctrine of Sovereignty (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=460089).

Article XIII: Of Overseas Territories

Section I: In light of recent events throughout the world, the Empire must establish certain protection for overseas republics and territories which include, but are not limited to, Greenland, Iceland, and Ireland.
Section II: Any military unit, whether air, sea, land, or space, acting in a way that could threaten the safety and sovereignty of said territories will be regarded as hostile and appropriate action shall take place. The country of support shall face repercussions.
Section III: Territorial boundaries do apply to these territories for all mediums.
Section IV: Foreign vessels, craft, and units caught in the act of espionage against these territories whether in territorial waters or international waters will be acted against immediately. Foreign vessels, craft, and units traveling through territorial boundaries will be engaged.
Section V: Satellites being used for espionage purposes can and will be engaged and destroyed should they be caught in the act of espionage against these territories.

OOC: NG has parked his fleet inside my waters, i am telling him to get out. Also why the hell are you guys doing this? Your actions are irrational.

IC:
Official Response

We do not see how Empire of Layatreb can speculate that our actions have hostile motives, we have proven our urge for peace by the fact that we have extended our hands in the signing of the Non-Aggression Pact. We want peace and nothing more. Either way, we are already close to the Fourth Reich, so your claim that we might have gained this land in order to threaten the Fourth Reich has no basis. All we want is the free all year round access to the world's oceans, we do not wish to be hostile towards the TOA, why does TOA wish to be hostile towards us? We do not understand, we worked hard with you to stabilize the situation and now once again you make moves that will destabilize it. I ask why? What is the reason for this madness? Can't we trust each other? Can't we attempt to promote better relations between our nations? Why do you choose to show force without even trying to solve an issue diplomatically? Why is where an issue? What has really changed? We once again urge the nations of TOA to work with us towards a better future for all of mankind, think of what we can accomplish working together instead of trying to put a stick through each other's bycicle wheels (its an expression). We wish to improve relations with nations of the TOA, we are extending our hand, we are proud people but even we realize that these unneccessary tenstions between our nations do not help anyone. I propose for our representatives to meet so we can discuss and settle once and for all the issues between our nations, let us build friendship, if we can accomplish that then we can accomplish anything. I can imagine a future there there both the VCO and the TOA use their capabilities to build up new economies, to build up new nations, to establish new trade routs, to fund civil projects in each others nations that better the lives of the people. I can imagine a future there i shake the hands of the leaders of Layatreb, Norway and the Fourth Reich, with same feeling of mutual understanding i get then i shake hands with leaders of Bjornya, UER, Neuvo Rica and Adhervia. It pains me then i realize how really close we are to that future, and yet still there are silly differencess that prevent us from reaching it. Let us try to work those differencess out, if not for ourselves, then for our children who if nothing is done and this tensions remain and eventually escalate will have to deal with the faults of their parents, do we really want to hand the world to them in such an ugly state?

-Vladimir Ivanov, President of Russian Federation

We strongly encourage The October Alliance and Russia to meet and resolve their differences in a friendly and peaceful manner, for the alternative is a destructive war we believe will only leave the victors a Phyrric victory at best and thus should be avoided. Should TOA and Russia require a neutral venue to resolve their differences, the Roman Empire will provide one.

Caesar Gaius Romanus Rodinus Hartianus

OOC: Anybody remember whats my president's name? Cause i forgot, it was Nikolai something, so i just pulled a new name out of my ass.

IC:

I thank gospodin Caesar for his comment.

-Vladimir Ivanov

OOC: Nikolai Andropov? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10286018&postcount=2) That's the only Nikolai I can find in your posts.

OOC: Nikolai Andropov? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10286018&postcount=2) That's the only Nikolai I can find in your posts.

Nope thats the Neo-Nazi leader. Maybe its not Nikolai, oh well, Vladimir is good too.

OOC: Oh guys just realized that even with your ban on me entering your territorial waters i still have a window i can go through in the Skagerak strait, since its 85 miles wide, while 24 nautical miles is about 27 miles, even with Both NG and Cot blocking me i can still get through. No worries then.

Nope thats the Neo-Nazi leader. Maybe its not Nikolai, oh well, Vladimir is good too.
Leonid Pushkin? That's the only other name I know.

Sorry, had to update my map, back to work.

BTW new Africa map is much better.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10288965#post10288965

^ The official election thread. I encourage all of you to look into it- it's your chance to see who may be running the Empire later in the year.

OOC: Oh guys just realized that even with your ban on me entering your territorial waters i still have a window i can go through in the Skagerak strait, since its 85 miles wide, while 24 nautical miles is about 27 miles, even with Both NG and Cot blocking me i can still get through. No worries then.

There's the canal that goes through Hawdawg's lands directly from the Arctic to the Baltic passing through Finland as well, and I thought Estonia and Latvia were connected to Pskov Oblast. Navy seems to be the only problem.

Let it be known I foresaw this problem and attempted to discuss negotiations with the members I mentioned before. I went with the course of action that offered more territory and power for the homeland.

This 60 day rule stuff is stupid. Varsola has been inactive for almost a month now so I'm RPing for Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay.
~EDIT~
And for the Falklands

^He has posted in the last 60 days, I did a land deal with him in December.



However if the decision is taken to delete him I would like to claim Sonora and West African territories. The NR military would also have something to say about Huahin's movements.


Someone who hasn't posted in the last 60 days is the Soviet Sith - and I'm claiming Sao Tome and Principe

Lay, I think myself and Bjornoya are going to RP the takeover of Greater Valia's land in the already active 'Topaz Campaign' thread.

There's the canal that goes through Hawdawg's lands directly from the Arctic to the Baltic passing through Finland as well, and I thought Estonia and Latvia were connected to Pskov Oblast. Navy seems to be the only problem.

Let it be known I foresaw this problem and attempted to discuss negotiations with the members I mentioned before. I went with the course of action that offered more territory and power for the homeland.

Geez, thanks for thinking for the good of the team. Either way, Navy doesn't seem to be a problem either, i can transport my forces through the international waters, and there is nothing they can do about it, and the strait Cotland mentioned is wide enough to allow me to transport my forces without entering NG's or Cottish territorial waters.

Pushka, a few things you might want to know...

The Skagerak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skagerak) strait is 240 kilometers (129.58 nautical miles) long (east to west) and 80 (43.196 nautical miles) - 140 kilometers (75.59 nautical miles) wide (north to south). I maintain a 24 nautical mile territorial water claim, and so do NG. Hence, at at least one point, our territorial water claims barr any passage without violation of territorial waters, something I see upon as an act of war. That's the first part.

The second part is the Kattegat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kattegat) strait, which is about the same width between NG and Hawdawg (Denmark on one side, Sweden on the other), and the famous choke point, the Oresund (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oresund) strait. The strait is 4 kilometers (2.15 nautical miles) wide, and effectively close the Baltic off. It is well within NGs territorial waters, hence your point is moot. You could ask NG for permission to pass, but somehow I doubt he would let you pass.

Simply put, you're SOL mate.

alright, me and NG have made an agreement. I will get Oman, and keep Iranian provinces 1, 2,3,4,11-18, and 20. He will take the rest.

Pushka, a few things you might want to know...

The Skagerak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skagerak) strait is 240 kilometers (129.58 nautical miles) long (east to west) and 80 (43.196 nautical miles) - 140 kilometers (75.59 nautical miles) wide (north to south). I maintain a 24 nautical mile territorial water claim, and so do NG. Hence, at at least one point, our territorial water claims barr any passage without violation of territorial waters, something I see upon as an act of war. That's the first part.

The second part is the Kattegat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kattegat) strait, which is about the same width between NG and Hawdawg (Denmark on one side, Sweden on the other), and the famous choke point, the Oresund (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oresund) strait. The strait is 4 kilometers (2.15 nautical miles) wide, and effectively close the Baltic off. It is well within NGs territorial waters, hence your point is moot. You could ask NG for permission to pass, but somehow I doubt he would let you pass.

Simply put, you're SOL mate.

Shit, any chance you guys come to your senses and stop being such assholes? Either way, i am gonna have to find a way to go around this, i can't have the racist wacko alliance having this to press against me, or i am just going to have to disregard your territorial claims as unreasonable and do what i have to do, i am not gonna have a technicality screw me out of my only warm water port area.

Also where is your response to my "Beat that Martin Luther King" speech?

Bjorn i got a question, so even with all of these actions by TOA you are still going to cooperate with them? You not going to condemn them or anything?

Telegraph to the World
From The Untied States of Brink

With the end elections within the United States of Brink the newly appointed president, Mrs. Sarah Ovambo, would like to gradually end USB’s isolation. This of course is only economically speaking. With this in mind she has opened Brink’s borders to international trade. USB lands encompass some of the largest mining industries in the world including Uranium, gold, and silver.

Also she wishes to speak with bordering nations such as Hirgizstan, Bjornoya, and North Germania, in hopes of securing unarmed borders between the nations.

USB, all my borders are armed, nothing personal. Doesn't mean we can't have a tourism/business agreement though. Cross border relations are very important.

Pushka, Bjornoya, unlike yourself, recognisies that doing business with TOA nations is smart, profitable, and gets you respect. You, on the other hand, fail to see this, and I advise you not to take it out on someone in an Alliance to which you are a member.

Telegraph to the World
From The Untied States of Brink

With the end elections within the United States of Brink the newly appointed president, Mrs. Sarah Ovambo, would like to gradually end USB’s isolation. This of course is only economically speaking. With this in mind she has opened Brink’s borders to international trade. USB lands encompass some of the largest mining industries in the world including Uranium, gold, and silver.

Also she wishes to speak with bordering nations such as Hirgizstan, Bjornoya, and North Germania, in hopes of securing unarmed borders between the nations.

Bjornoya also will maintain armed borders throughout Africa as it will be necessary for our 'cure for AIDS' to restrict the movement of infected individuals into Bjornoyan territory. It's border security not really anything threatening to a nation.

As for economics we'd be happy to establish a free-trade agreement, whatever that might entail to help rebuild the war-torn region.

USB, all my borders are armed, nothing personal. Doesn't mean we can't have a tourism/business agreement though. Cross border relations are very important.

Pushka, Bjornoya, unlike yourself, recognisies that doing business with TOA nations is smart, profitable, and gets you respect. You, on the other hand, fail to see this, and I advise you not to take it out on someone in an Alliance to which you are a member.

But i do want to do business with TOA, i have expressed that in my speech. I proposed we work together on a better foreign policy, Rome agrees with me. Why can't you guys finally realize that i am not trying to be a threat? Why? You have initiated every unstable situation that happened between our nations, why can't you get it into your heads that i am not trying to attack you? I want to deal with you in a civil manner, i have expressed that repeatedly.

Either way, Hirgizstan what i say to Bjornya does not concern you, so i really don't care about your advise.

Just as an OOC assessment, isn't it a violation of the Non-Agression Pact to impose territorial waters in such a way that Pushka can't use them? Closing borders *is* an aggressive move and I would think in the spirit of peace there should be some dialogue in trying to resolve the issue, not imperial grandstanding. Pushka's not threatening anyone (in fact, TOA is the only ones threatening here) and wants to negotiate a fair settlement so he's not "trapped", which I believe is fair and should be accommodated.

OOC: Thanks Rome and i am going to repost my speech incase you guys missed it.

IC:
The speech that was bound to go into the history books was broadcasted all over the world again.

Official Response

We do not see how Empire of Layatreb can speculate that our actions have hostile motives, we have proven our urge for peace by the fact that we have extended our hands in the signing of the Non-Aggression Pact. We want peace and nothing more. Either way, we are already close to the Fourth Reich, so your claim that we might have gained this land in order to threaten the Fourth Reich has no basis. All we want is the free all year round access to the world's oceans, we do not wish to be hostile towards the TOA, why does TOA wish to be hostile towards us? We do not understand, we worked hard with you to stabilize the situation and now once again you make moves that will destabilize it. I ask why? What is the reason for this madness? Can't we trust each other? Can't we attempt to promote better relations between our nations? Why do you choose to show force without even trying to solve an issue diplomatically? Why is where an issue? What has really changed? We once again urge the nations of TOA to work with us towards a better future for all of mankind, think of what we can accomplish working together instead of trying to put a stick through each other's bycicle wheels (its an expression). We wish to improve relations with nations of the TOA, we are extending our hand, we are proud people but even we realize that these unneccessary tenstions between our nations do not help anyone. I propose for our representatives to meet so we can discuss and settle once and for all the issues between our nations, let us build friendship, if we can accomplish that then we can accomplish anything. I can imagine a future there both the VCO and the TOA use their capabilities to build up new economies, to build up new nations, to establish new trade routs, to fund civil projects in each others nations that better the lives of the people. I can imagine a future there i shake the hands of the leaders of Layatreb, Norway and the Fourth Reich, with same feeling of mutual understanding i get then i shake hands with leaders of Bjornya, UER, Neuvo Rica and Adhervia. It pains me then i realize how really close we are to that future, and yet still there are silly differencess that prevent us from reaching it. Let us try to work those differencess out, if not for ourselves, then for our children who if nothing is done and this tensions remain and eventually escalate will have to deal with the faults of their parents, do we really want to hand the world to them in such an ugly state?

-Vladimir Ivanov, President of Russian Federation

Bjorn i got a question, so even with all of these actions by TOA you are still going to cooperate with them? You not going to condemn them or anything?

I have made no deals with them so I'm not really co-operating with them in this matter. The fact I traded you the land proves it as I had about 3 different options as to who I could trade that region. Although I think it somewhat irrational and un-business like to restrict merchant ships from going through the straight but I've shown there's another way around to get the navy to the region via Hawdawg if he wishes to co-operate. As I recall he has some sort of payment system for use of the canal.

All in all I see it as a wasted business opurtunity to restrict Russian trading ships within the region as it could result in more market stimulation if Russian products were allowed to be imported to the region and sold in European territories and vice-versa, but to restrict trade might also be a defensive move by the involved nations. Militarily you'll be fine since it's directly connected to your territory you can march right in and build ships in Estonian and Latvian ports if neccesary.

BTW given the proximity of Murmansk and Finland to my capitol region I was thinking of constructing a rather large international trading-route connecting Hawdawg and Cottish Scandinavia with Bjornoya via ports, canals, and airports. Just a thought, TG me if you're interested, create lots of jobs and introduce new markets and products to the region.

OOC: Thanks Rome and i am going to repost my speech incase you guys missed it.

IC:
The speech that quickly went into history books was broadcasted all over the world again.

Official Response

We do not see how Empire of Layatreb can speculate that our actions have hostile motives, we have proven our urge for peace by the fact that we have extended our hands in the signing of the Non-Aggression Pact. We want peace and nothing more. Either way, we are already close to the Fourth Reich, so your claim that we might have gained this land in order to threaten the Fourth Reich has no basis. All we want is the free all year round access to the world's oceans, we do not wish to be hostile towards the TOA, why does TOA wish to be hostile towards us? We do not understand, we worked hard with you to stabilize the situation and now once again you make moves that will destabilize it. I ask why? What is the reason for this madness? Can't we trust each other? Can't we attempt to promote better relations between our nations? Why do you choose to show force without even trying to solve an issue diplomatically? Why is where an issue? What has really changed? We once again urge the nations of TOA to work with us towards a better future for all of mankind, think of what we can accomplish working together instead of trying to put a stick through each other's bycicle wheels (its an expression). We wish to improve relations with nations of the TOA, we are extending our hand, we are proud people but even we realize that these unneccessary tenstions between our nations do not help anyone. I propose for our representatives to meet so we can discuss and settle once and for all the issues between our nations, let us build friendship, if we can accomplish that then we can accomplish anything. I can imagine a future there there both the VCO and the TOA use their capabilities to build up new economies, to build up new nations, to establish new trade routs, to fund civil projects in each others nations that better the lives of the people. I can imagine a future there i shake the hands of the leaders of Layatreb, Norway and the Fourth Reich, with same feeling of mutual understanding i get then i shake hands with leaders of Bjornya, UER, Neuvo Rica and Adhervia. It pains me then i realize how really close we are to that future, and yet still there are silly differencess that prevent us from reaching it. Let us try to work those differencess out, if not for ourselves, then for our children who if nothing is done and this tensions remain and eventually escalate will have to deal with the faults of their parents, do we really want to hand the world to them in such an ugly state?

-Vladimir Ivanov, President of Russian Federation

OOC: You're welcome.

Don't mean to nitpick, but (since it's a common mistake and it's not just you), you don't need to write "the TOA", it should just be "TOA", since it wouldn't make sense to write "The The October Alliance".

I have made no deals with them so I'm not really co-operating with them in this matter. The fact I traded you the land proves it as I had about 3 different options as to who I could trade that region. Although I think it somewhat irrational and un-business like to restrict merchant ships from going through the straight but I've shown there's another way around to get the navy to the region via Hawdawg if he wishes to co-operate. As I recall he has some sort of payment system for use of the canal.

All in all I see it as a wasted business opurtunity to restrict Russian trading ships within the region as it could result in more market stimulation if Russian products were allowed to be imported to the region and sold in European territories and vice-versa, but to restrict trade might also be a defensive move by the involved nations. Militarily you'll be fine since it's directly connected to your territory you can march right in and build ships in Estonian and Latvian ports if neccesary.

BTW given the proximity of Murmansk and Finland to my capitol region I was thinking of constructing a rather large international trading-route connecting Hawdawg and Cottish Scandinavia with Bjornoya via ports, canals, and airports. Just a thought, TG me if you're interested, create lots of jobs and introduce new markets and products to the region.

Can you atleast condemn them officially or something like Rome did? Well atleast i hopefully will be able to work it out with Hawdawg.

OOC: You're welcome.

Don't mean to nitpick, but (since it's a common mistake and it's not just you), you don't need to write "the TOA", it should just be "TOA", since it wouldn't make sense to write "The The October Alliance".

Aight, i'll remember in the future.

Can you atleast condemn them officially or something like Rome did?

All I did ICly was to call for a conference. I haven't taken a firm IC position because I don't want to be "dragged" into a conflict.

Well atleast you took my side by saying that you feel that negotiations are the best way out of this. Thanks for that.

Well atleast you took my side by saying that you feel that negotiations are the best way out of this. Thanks for that.

You're welcome. I just felt like pointing out my IC position so it's not misunderstood- The Fourth Reich and Layarteb *are* my neighbours, after all.

Can you atleast condemn them officially or something like Rome did? Well atleast i hopefully will be able to work it out with Hawdawg.

I save my condemnations for crimes against humanity, I've never officially condemned any nation yet, this is mostly economical and political and hasn't threatened lives yet. Their restrictions on having military vessels enter their region are justifiable as was the case in the Kara Sea incident for you to restrict movement into Russian waters. Restricting merchant vessels from moving through their territorial waters so long as they are known merchant ships seems ackward, but there could be reasons such as 'we think you're spying that close to us' even if it is a merchant ship. A reminder, such restrictions are bad for business unless the TOA is looking for some sort of trade embargo against Russian goods which might be the case here. Anyway, I would be happy to mediate a negotation if it is neccesary.

I save my condemnations for crimes against humanity, I've never officially condemned any nation yet, this is mostly economical and political and hasn't threatened lives yet. Their restrictions on having military vessels enter their region are justifiable as was the case in the Kara Sea incident for you to restrict movement into Russian waters. Restricting merchant vessels from moving through their territorial waters so long as they are known merchant ships seems ackward, but there could be reasons such as 'we think you're spying that close to us' even if it is a merchant ship. A reminder, such restrictions are bad for business unless the TOA is looking for some sort of trade embargo against Russian goods which might be the case here. Anyway, I would be happy to mediate a negotation if it is neccesary.

But you we are fellow alliance member, shouldn't you condemn their aggressive actions of blocking me out of the rest of the world just because you are my ally and its not uncommon for one ally to watch another allie's back? Thats what they are doing, Hirgy wouldn't give two shits that i was in those lands if he wasn't in the TOA (well, Hirgy probably would, but someone with the brain wouldn't).

The Empire has never nor does it trust the Russian Federation. Signing the NAP did not garner any trust in the Russian Federation nor did it change our attitudes or views towards the Russian Federation. The Empire is pleased with the relations it currently has with the Russian Federation and does not wish to change the status quo. The entire basis of geopolitics here is a Balance of Power arrangement, a very fluid and often unreliable arrangement. The status quo has shifted now with the current Russian access to warm water ports, enabling dangerous naval development. Such a change requires that we react. The Empire will not be caught with its pants down should something suddenly develop. We wish to be prepared. The worst foe is an unseen foe. The Empire has not fired any shots nor has it entered territorial waters. The North Sea is NOT under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation, despite what they claim. The Empire can move its battlegroups anywhere throughout international waters and its aircraft throughout international airspace however it pleases and will not allow the Russian Federation to determine when, where, and how it acts. The Empire feels no need for a discussion, we are not at war, we are not on the brink of war, we are at a neutral stance. Should tensions escalate we may think the need for a venue to arise but currently, the Empire has no need for any discussions.

The Empire does not feel having a small 1 nautical mile wide corridor through overlapping waters is a bad idea and has been, in several circumstances, entertained by the Empire with regards to Quebec and Teh Ninjas in some cases, allowing their merchant shipping to reach international waters. However, with that said, whether or not the Norwegians and Fourth Reich will entertain this is of their own perogative.

OOC: Pushka, one thing you need to get straight. We are not racists because we don't want Russian warships and spies on our coastline. You have a serious problem if you think that by insulting people you will get it your way. Guess what? It won't. The numbers listed are cold hard facts. I live very close to that and have travelled over Skagerak and Kattegat several times, so I have first hand experience. Look the numbers up if you don't believe me. I am merely stating facts. Anyway, either way you do it, you will not be allowed to pass warships through my territorial waters, although I am open to negotiate the right to have merchant vessels pass. I repeat my position: If you send warships or other vessels which aren't cleared for passage into/through my territorial waters, I consider that an act of war, very much in the same way you do if Norwegian warships enter Russian waters.

IC: Official reply from the Kingdom of Norway

The Kingdom does not easily forget. We do not easily forget the Russian tendency to blow things way out of proportion and send large troop formations towards borders of neighboring nations, an action which is very hostile indeed, and unfortunately one the Russian Federation has resorted to on more than one occation.

The Kingdom is very interested in establishing a lasting peace agreement with the Russian Federation, but we must keep the security of the Kingdom in mind every single step of the way. We are very open to attending such a conference which the Russian Federation has suggested, and one issue we hope to resolve in such a conference is the lifting of the ban on Russian civilian vessels travelling through Norwegian territorial waters. Please suggest a time and place of the negotiations to take place. If you wish, it can be held in Oslo.

You must keep in mind that we still remember the problems between the Russian Federation and the Kingdom, most recently from the submarine accident in the Kara Sea and the plan to melt the polar ice caps, and that therefore any passage of Russian military vessels or vessels with intent to conduct espionage will be impossible. As we have mentioned earlier, we must keep the safety and security of the Kingdom as our top priority, as the Russian Federation must keep the safety and security of the Russian Federation as its top priority. There are and always will be differences between our two nations, but it is our hope that those differences in time may be reduced to a minimum.

We await your reply.

OOC: What if i pass them through with the intent of going to say aid one of my allies somethere in the South America in a conflict to which you are neutral?

IC:

We would like to meet in Rome, since the Roman Empire has proposed to host negotiations. We thank you for your cooperation.

Alright guys, if you saw the unedited version of my post, ignore it, i posted it without getting a chance to read Cotland's response.

Hey guys, check out the Facing the Old Demons thread, let me know how i am doing, i haven't been really writing anything creatively in a while.

Not to intrude, but Cotland, you're needed in the Bolivia thread.

Operasjon Bedrag (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465118)

Thank God/the Gods I got out of the whole TOA/Pushka stuff

Thank God/the Gods I got out of the whole TOA/Pushka stuff

Come on become Pagan like the Empire.

You mean how you had an overnight change of heart and back stabbed me?

Hey Rome, since you want to host my conferenss with Cotland, can you start the conference thread?

My 'Emerging' Republic is completely Pagan.

HAR!

You mean how you had an overnight change of heart and back stabbed me?

Who wants to be dragged into WWII because your allies do something y ou don't agree with.

Lay I hope you know that song in Fox 2 (it's very old school), it makes the post so much more enjoyable.

Lay I hope you know that song in Fox 2 (it's very old school), it makes the post so much more enjoyable.

James doesn't see a song.

The Protection of the Realm Act (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465139)

James doesn't see a song.

Everytime my post starts with a bold and underlined thing there's a song linked to the title.

Who wants to be dragged into WWII because your allies do something y ou don't agree with.



Ooh! ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Everytime my post starts with a bold and underlined thing there's a song linked to the title.


Oh...well...Yes I know it and I've heard it. Is it Mozart? I don't honestly remember who composed it.

Bjorn check International Relations

Huahin check Fall on Rockall

How do you post a link as a word rather than a URL


Example: Earth II Revitalization rather than forum.jolt.uk.etc

{url=http://xxxx}Word{/url}

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OOC: Not sure if this will change anyone's mind but by unarmed borders i meant just with me, not all of africa. Not sure if thats how some interpreted to be.

Who wants to be dragged into WWII because your allies do something y ou don't agree with.

Like not letting you spy on me?

Oh...well...Yes I know it and I've heard it. Is it Mozart? I don't honestly remember who composed it.

lol, I don't have that good of taste, its not classical.

Kreynoria']How do you post a link as a word rather than a URL


Example: Earth II Revitalization rather than forum.jolt.uk.etc

There's a little picture of an earth with a horizontal blob infront of it when you compose posts. Highlight the section you want to have the link (say Factbook) and fill in the pop-up thingy with the url address.

Hey where do you get all that music?

OOC: Not sure if this will change anyone's mind but by unarmed borders i meant just with me, not all of africa. Not sure if thats how some interpreted to be.

I'll performing a rather complicated de-toxification of Africa that requires no infected individuals from anywhere to enter Bjornoyan Africa to work. Needlesss to say the border will be protected but very stretched considering the territory I'm attempting to cover so it shouldn't pose a major military threat.

Hey where do you get all that music?

if I told you I'd give it away. as soon as someone figures it out I'll post the link.

Hey just a sidenote. Bjorn you registered on Lay's new forums yet? We're going through base exchanges and i thought maybe you want to participate. Just let me know then you registered so i can add you.

if I told you I'd give it away. as soon as someone figures it out I'll post the link.

Heh, alrighty then.

Hey just a sidenote. Bjorn you registered on Lay's new forums yet? We're going through base exchanges and i thought maybe you want to participate. Just let me know then you registered so i can add you.

He's been registered for a while.

Hey just a sidenote. Bjorn you registered on Lay's new forums yet? We're going through base exchanges and i thought maybe you want to participate. Just let me know then you registered so i can add you.

It's been done.

Alrighty.

Anybody know where Marimia is?

Also Elephantum i will exchange you a land base where your want for that island in the Indian ocean. But i still think we should have our representatives meet to discuss some cooperation things ICly after that.

Announcement:

Livestock Show season has started, I will be hauling cattle to them off and on through the end of March so don't get offended if you send me something and I don't respond as quickly as you think I needed to. I will be away from a computer for several days at a time and when I return I will respond in due time. If its really pressing, well learn patience, I will respond eventually. I will be in town for about a week and a half then I am gone again.

Now for the evil doer's, if you feel the need to launch an attack while I am gone, well ye had best watch out for me allies, they tend to provide cover when its needed.

-Hawdawg

*Official Business*

Huahin has just offered me Vatican City in exchange for Hans Island. I sent him a TG agreeing to the transfer.

Hey Rome, since you want to host my conferenss with Cotland, can you start the conference thread?

Don't know if I can do that now. If you want to start it, go ahead- it's at the Curia building, where the Roman Senate meets. RP getting there- I'll get to it tommorow.

Attention Bjornya

Hey Bjorn i was thinking how about me and new start a new energy company? Your Visara and my Gaz i Nefti Holding can each own 35% of the total stock with the other 30% left to put on the stock market to raise funds. Hopefull Adhervia will join in, but even without him some of the world's largest reserves of natural gas and oil, you also controll energy product rich lands in Africa. I am thinking that we can start this together then expand through creating even more companies with other nations there our joint company will have either equal or controlling amount of stock. We can start with a big pipeline project to Marimia, if he is interested, i am sure Panthea won't mind having a steady natural gas and oil supply, plus i am sure that we can work out deals with other nations. Anyways what do you think?

If you agree how is ENERGOTRUST for the company logo?

Visara = Statewide monopoly. Sub-companies in Bjornoya such as Amgen are owned entirelly by Visara. I need this to remain as such as it will be crucial during my revolution thread that I've been planning.

Attention Bjornya

Hey Bjorn i was thinking how about me and new start a new energy company? Your Visara and my Gaz i Nefti Holding can each own 35% of the total stock with the other 30% left to put on the stock market to raise funds. Hopefull Adhervia will join in, but even without him some of the world's largest reserves of natural gas and oil, you also controll energy product rich lands in Africa. I am thinking that we can start this together then expand through creating even more companies with other nations there our joint company will have either equal or controlling amount of stock. We can start with a big pipeline project to Marimia, if he is interested, i am sure Panthea won't mind having a steady natural gas and oil supply, plus i am sure that we can work out deals with other nations. Anyways what do you think?

If you agree how is ENERGOTRUST for the company logo?

I will be glad to work with your nation. And am interesting in purchasing stock

I confirm the Hans Island <=> Vatican trade. Also Lay, can you add Rockall to my list of territories.

Attention Bjornya

Hey Bjorn i was thinking how about me and new start a new energy company? Your Visara and my Gaz i Nefti Holding can each own 35% of the total stock with the other 30% left to put on the stock market to raise funds. Hopefull Adhervia will join in, but even without him some of the world's largest reserves of natural gas and oil, you also controll energy product rich lands in Africa. I am thinking that we can start this together then expand through creating even more companies with other nations there our joint company will have either equal or controlling amount of stock. We can start with a big pipeline project to Marimia, if he is interested, i am sure Panthea won't mind having a steady natural gas and oil supply, plus i am sure that we can work out deals with other nations. Anyways what do you think?

If you agree how is ENERGOTRUST for the company logo?

Of course I wouldn't mind a big pipeline project. Also, how about my state-owned energy company having some stock in that company? Eastasia Petrochemical Industries would make an excellent partner in this venture.

Bjorn, you know the way you have the exclusive Oil Rights in Chad? Well I wouldn't let Pushka in there ever, so I'm glad to see Visara is still only a Bjornoyan company. Good stuff.

hirgy, somebody is really out to smack you on the head, stop being an idiot. What the hell is your problem? I know you're probably twelve, but that doesn't excuse you're acting irrationally and simply like an asshole.

Visara = Statewide monopoly. Sub-companies in Bjornoya such as Amgen are owned entirelly by Visara. I need this to remain as such as it will be crucial during my revolution thread that I've been planning.

Okay then how about this, one of the subcompanies owned by Visara joins me in the Energotrust, you will still be one of the two controling stock holding companies, plus think of the amount of profit we can make if we work the energy market together, both of us controll some of the most energy rich regions on earth.

Forget Chad, Hirgy is an asswipe so be it. There is much more money to be made elsewhere.

Of course I wouldn't mind a big pipeline project. Also, how about my state-owned energy company having some stock in that company? Eastasia Petrochemical Industries would make an excellent partner in this venture.

I think so. Actually maybe this can be the joint VCO company that deals with keeping the nations of VCO from being reliant on energy sources outside the alliance. Everyone can have a piece. Bjorn would you be on board with that? I mean the company you create to be a partner in ENERGOTRUST, can be owned by Visara, its not like owning controlling stock in another company will limit Visara's independence. You see what i am saying?

hirgy, somebody is really out to smack you on the head, stop being an idiot. What the hell is your problem? I know you're probably twelve, but that doesn't excuse you're acting irrationally and simply like an asshole.

Hirgizstan simply doesn't want a Russian influence in Africa especially within his African territory. If Visara were to co-operate with companies from any nation, any nation could set-up shop within territories where Visara is already operating. That's part of the deal, when Visara moves in it is assumed only Visaraa will be allowed in otherwise it would be hard as hell to negotiate a trade agreement involving 4 or 5 different companies from different nations' access to the region. The region is prefectly fine the way it is. And throwing demeaning remarks at someone I'm working with in the region is not going to make me want to participate.

For the moment the only energy concern Bjornoya has is maintaining a stable price for oil, to do so needs the co-operation of many regions although Elephantum has the most say in the matter. I was originally looking to create something like OPEC but I don't think enough people will be happy working together to make such an orginization functional.

Pushka, all you do is insult people. If I was 12 I would have started this game just over two years ago, in 2003, making me either 9 or 10, a bit young for such a complex game, don't ya think?

I simply dislike the way you conduct yourself, and I am setting out to make you know it. I dislike the way you bully your VCO freinds. I like Bjornoya, he's a stand up guy who's on the level, but you're not. Pushka, your abrasive, annoying, childish and absurd. And you call me a 12 year old?

You also don't see to realise that I control both Chad AND the Niger, which are two of the biggest oil producing countries in the world. As it stands Bjornoya benefits from that, and so do many other nations, but you don't because you can't stop being childish. Its not that I don't want Russian influence in Africa, I simply don't want Pushkan influence in Africa because you are unstable, unreliable and would be damaging for business. Why do you think Bjornoya turned down your offer?

Get real Pushka, maybe then people will take you seriously. END OF DISCUSSION.

Hey, that's unfair, I joined E2 when I was 12 :(.

Yes, but you are intelligent.

I didn't say 12 was a bad age to join, I said 9 or 10 was. It was actually Pushka who insulted the 12 year old players.

Hey what did I say about pissing matches? OUR FORUM!!!

Hey what did I say about pissing matches? OUR FORUM!!!

I was in a pissing match? Did I win!? Oooh, what do I get?

Maybe if you all just stopped insulting each other OOC then you'd enjoy things more. RP is supposed to be fun remember - not an insult fest.

Also: Is my claim for Sao Tome and Principe valid? - I'll RP it as soon as you lot say.

I take it Varsola isn't D12

Also: Is my claim for Sao Tome and Principe valid? - I'll RP it as soon as you lot say.

I take it Varsola isn't D12

I own Sao Tome (Bioko) and Principe as a part of Equitorial Guinea.

Hey, I joined when I was 12. Am I intelligent?

I was 20.

I was 16. Now 19.

Kreynoria']Hey, I joined when I was 12. Am I intelligent?

We're intelligent people! HUZZAH!

Of course, I'm 14 now...

Pushka, all you do is insult people. If I was 12 I would have started this game just over two years ago, in 2003, making me either 9 or 10, a bit young for such a complex game, don't ya think?

The way you play it and the way you post it does indeed seem that this game is too complicated for you.

I simply dislike the way you conduct yourself, and I am setting out to make you know it. I dislike the way you bully your VCO freinds. I like Bjornoya, he's a stand up guy who's on the level, but you're not. Pushka, your abrasive, annoying, childish and absurd. And you call me a 12 year old?

Eh...right, son, you're a bit disillusioned with this whole "you're childish" thing.

You also don't see to realise that I control both Chad AND the Niger, which are two of the biggest oil producing countries in the world. As it stands Bjornoya benefits from that, and so do many other nations, but you don't because you can't stop being childish. Its not that I don't want Russian influence in Africa, I simply don't want Pushkan influence in Africa because you are unstable, unreliable and would be damaging for business. Why do you think Bjornoya turned down your offer?

Because of his upcoming revolution. How can you claim that i am unrealible or unstable if i never did anything to even suggest such a label? Oh you think i should have let Lay spy on me? Or you think i should have not reacted to NG attacking Bjornya to which i was obligated to react? As for melting the icecaps, it is a completely feasible idea, i explained why repeatedly. You on the other hand somehow OOCly figured out that i should pay Lay for spying on me and now you are not passing up any chance to screw with me because you can't stand it then someone goes against your pipedream version of the global politics there TOA is the king and all others should bend down and smile. You are either an idiot, or a child, probably both.

Get real Pushka, maybe then people will take you seriously. END OF DISCUSSION.

But i am real, you aren't, your decisions are not guided by any shred of rational thought. And people do take me seriously whenever you like it or not. Either way, grow up kid, and i don't know, try yo find a way to wise up cause you really need it.

Anyways, i just realized that you are a Bush supporter, thanks for surrending your claims to having an intellect.

So help me the first person to bring the mods and get me in trouble gets perm-banned from E2.

I own Sao Tome (Bioko) and Principe as a part of Equitorial Guinea.

They're different

Sao T. & P. (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/mapimages/africa/sao_tome_and_principe/sao_tome_and_principe.gif)


Bioko (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ja/thumb/f/fe/Bioko_island.PNG/250px-Bioko_island.PNG)

They're different

Sao T. & P. (http://www.lonelyplanet.com/mapimages/africa/sao_tome_and_principe/sao_tome_and_principe.gif)


Bioko (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ja/thumb/f/fe/Bioko_island.PNG/250px-Bioko_island.PNG)

Ok I know I own Fernando Póo as part of E.Guinea and all that entails. I made deals involving Principe to Elephantum and Sao Tome with Kreynoria so I've already been workign with them as if they were under my control. I assumed when I claimed E. Guinea I acquired those islands as well. As I recall in the old Africa map that Island was painted Bjornoyan pink.

Hirgizstan simply doesn't want a Russian influence in Africa especially within his African territory. If Visara were to co-operate with companies from any nation, any nation could set-up shop within territories where Visara is already operating. That's part of the deal, when Visara moves in it is assumed only Visaraa will be allowed in otherwise it would be hard as hell to negotiate a trade agreement involving 4 or 5 different companies from different nations' access to the region. The region is prefectly fine the way it is. And throwing demeaning remarks at someone I'm working with in the region is not going to make me want to participate.



I am not saying i want to move into his lands in Africa. But the company that will be partnering up with my company for the ENERGOTRUST can sell that oil to ENERGOTRUST, at cheap prices, then ENERGOTRUST will resell it and your as ET becomes more powerful commerically your company will end up getting extra profit out of the oil it already sold. Plus where are many other places we can cooperate, we can make the partner contract say anything, so i really don't see how if we start this up you will be obligated to let me build my own drilling stations in Hirgy's land. On the other hand, this will better our foreign relations even more, both Visara and my own company will be gaining all that extra profit, and we will be able to make all of the VCO energitically self-sufficient, even minus your deal with Hirgy you still have other places there you get oil and natural gas, and i have lots of everything, plus either way, ENERGOTRUST will deal more with TRANSITION then anything else. ENERGOTRUST will not be a merging of Visara and my own company, it will be a new company simply sponsored and lead by Visara and the partner from my side. Do you understand now?

I've traded Al Jawf, Hadramawt, and Al Mahrah to Nuevo Rica in exchange for Southern Sudan. (see links provided)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/mapspub/maps/802849.jpg
http://www.state.gov/cms_images/sudan_map.jpg

Check Bjor stock exchange some of my businesses have been put up for sell

Check Bjor stock exchange some of my businesses have been put up for sell

Could you do me a favor and TG me first? I have no problem putting Pantheaan stocks up in the BISE but I'm gonna ask you to adjust your numbers:

1st: (total number of shares sold * $/share approximatelly)/10 = 1-10,000,000
2nd: I'm going to ask this from now on since calculations are getting out of control, starting price/share should be a mutiple of 10
3rd: Cossack will be etied to Law and Order as that supports your police force rather than defense which is primarily military in NS budget terms. Scholar to education is fine

TG me with updated numbers.

Bjorn did you miss my latest proposal? Its on the last page.

Panthea, are you starting the meeting thread?

I hereby give Swimbabwe all of Sri Lanka save the Northern Province and the North Central province.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sri_Lanka_provinces.jpg

Ok sorry if its short but i didn't know what to write in a meeting RPG

Panthean meeting with Russian Federation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465357)

Rargh....

whats new?

I am not saying i want to move into his lands in Africa. But the company that will be partnering up with my company for the ENERGOTRUST can sell that oil to ENERGOTRUST, at cheap prices, then ENERGOTRUST will resell it and your as ET becomes more powerful commerically your company will end up getting extra profit out of the oil it already sold. Plus where are many other places we can cooperate, we can make the partner contract say anything, so i really don't see how if we start this up you will be obligated to let me build my own drilling stations in Hirgy's land. On the other hand, this will better our foreign relations even more, both Visara and my own company will be gaining all that extra profit, and we will be able to make all of the VCO energitically self-sufficient, even minus your deal with Hirgy you still have other places there you get oil and natural gas, and i have lots of everything, plus either way, ENERGOTRUST will deal more with TRANSITION then anything else. ENERGOTRUST will not be a merging of Visara and my own company, it will be a new company simply sponsored and lead by Visara and the partner from my side. Do you understand now?

Visara maintains an absolute monopoly on all resources within Bjornoyan territory, it simply couldn't work. Visara has no partners, either subordinates or competitors friendly or otherwise.

And on a side note I am also RPing this correctly which doesn't seem to be taken into acount. Visara Co. CEO Wihelm Kaufmann is a very solitary person, he does not like making partners with anybody, just sub-ordinates. From his POV he would not want to share his empire with anyone let that be known. Doing so would threaten Bjornoya's very existance, it's how my nation works and its how Wilhelm thinks.

Visara maintains an absolute monopoly on all resources within Bjornoyan territory, it simply couldn't work. Visara has no partners, either subordinates or competitors friendly or otherwise.

And on a side note I am also RPing this correctly which doesn't seem to be taken into acount. Visara Co. CEO Wihelm Kaufmann is a very solitary person, he does not like making partners with anybody, just sub-ordinates. From his POV he would not want to share his empire with anyone let that be known. Doing so would threaten Bjornoya's very existance, it's how my nation works and its how Wilhelm thinks.

I still think you should be the "economic" capital of Earth II...you certainly have the resources to do so.