NationStates Jolt Archive

That's fair enough then - not that I was ever arguing it.

I know. I just felt like explaining it.

I'm back.

Has anyone thought of reorganising this world so that everyone's territories are roughly grouped rather than all over the place?

No, since most people realised their territories would be spread out when they invaded/claimed them.

TLS: Yessireee list was replaced. Thanks for the heads up. I do that way too often. Yeah that was more of a WW than WW.

Celtayoshi: No they haven't. They can be yours. Let me edit the claims and maps. Thread added.

Krey: In terms of that newbie earth, technically, if you read more of it you'll see it says that the thing only applies to nations who were part of another Earth prior to post 139. The last of those nations was Euroslavia. That means, in essence, that whole decree can be scratched and rewritten to state: "No multiple earths." However, seeing as that, along with the other 500 Earths in the past 5 months, won't last two weeks, we'll see then. As far as a world map, that would be a great idea, unfortunately I have yet to find a trace-outline map that was any decent. If you come across something do let me know, preferably something uncolored with black outlines and the latitude/longitude grid pattern. I can blow it up in size so that isn't a problem.

Sparta: As the war is waning it is quite alright. We shall have to work out something once everything is settled with Ecuador.

RomeW: When someone shows up off my coast with 2,200 ships that isn't a fair fight to begin with. Right on about the Earth too, yes it isn't NS based and we don't have quams with non-NS based Earths. Thread added.

Cotland: Just have him confirm.

First things first:

New thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9292317#post9292317 (The Prince George Riot, ATTN Yelm (we've been working on this for a while))

Layarteb: I suppose not, though don't you have just as many ships? I'm sorry I haven't jumped right in, but understand that I'm really caught in the middle of all this.

TLS: Yessireee list was replaced. Thanks for the heads up. I do that way too often. Yeah that was more of a WW than WW.

Celtayoshi: No they haven't. They can be yours. Let me edit the claims and maps. Thread added.

Krey: In terms of that newbie earth, technically, if you read more of it you'll see it says that the thing only applies to nations who were part of another Earth prior to post 139. The last of those nations was Euroslavia. That means, in essence, that whole decree can be scratched and rewritten to state: "No multiple earths." However, seeing as that, along with the other 500 Earths in the past 5 months, won't last two weeks, we'll see then. As far as a world map, that would be a great idea, unfortunately I have yet to find a trace-outline map that was any decent. If you come across something do let me know, preferably something uncolored with black outlines and the latitude/longitude grid pattern. I can blow it up in size so that isn't a problem.

Sparta: As the war is waning it is quite alright. We shall have to work out something once everything is settled with Ecuador.

RomeW: When someone shows up off my coast with 2,200 ships that isn't a fair fight to begin with. Right on about the Earth too, yes it isn't NS based and we don't have quams with non-NS based Earths. Thread added.

Cotland: Just have him confirm.



Ok, Lay. We will find a way to work this out. Any ideas besides oil prices or the war? If you get any, please post them or telegram me.

Yippee, more Naval Ports, my current ones are getting a bit crowded.

Thnaks for updating everything.

very Impressive world Rome w. when can we sign up? anyways what the time period be if you start up this world. (I.e the year 2005) it would be interesting to see if the technology and civilization development path remains the same as in the real earth..

the mind boggles....

:)

Yep, I bought those territories from Cotland. They're mine.

very Impressive world Rome w. when can we sign up? anyways what the time period be if you start up this world. (I.e the year 2005) it would be interesting to see if the technology and civilization development path remains the same as in the real earth..

the mind boggles....

:)

It is a great idea. But Earth II could do without the competition ;)

First things first:

New thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9292317#post9292317 (The Prince George Riot, ATTN Yelm (we've been working on this for a while))

Layarteb: I suppose not, though don't you have just as many ships? I'm sorry I haven't jumped right in, but understand that I'm really caught in the middle of all this.

Yeah but that was one fleet so if I pulled up with en entire fleet I wouldn't expect the enemy to sit there and take it either, that's enough firepower to decimate RL Russia.

very Impressive world Rome w. when can we sign up? anyways what the time period be if you start up this world. (I.e the year 2005) it would be interesting to see if the technology and civilization development path remains the same as in the real earth..

the mind boggles....

:)

It's not exactly an Earth you can sign up for...sorry. It's all MINE! MINE! MINE!@!@!@! (depraved laughter begins)

(five hours later)

Anyhow, the year is supposed to be this year (2005), and the technology level is almost the same with a few exceptions: Rome was the first to industrialize (in the mid-17th century) and as a result is now on a path to send manned missions throughout the Solar System. They're the most technologically advanced people on Vicendum, but aside super-high tech subways/bullet train systems and more effective hospital and agricultural equipment, the world isn't that much different from ours. One important difference is that technology is far more geared towards local environments than it is here, with the emphasis being placed on getting as much out of the land as possible instead of confining the world to a narrow blueprint of "what a sophisticated society looks like". This, too, was pioneered by Rome, because they noticed that after they expanded overseas the land in different territories wasn't suitable for their kind of technology so they adapted. Vicendum thus has a wide vareity of different technological types, and they're all sophisticated in their own special way.

Yeah but that was one fleet so if I pulled up with en entire fleet I wouldn't expect the enemy to sit there and take it either, that's enough firepower to decimate RL Russia.

I see. Fortunately, things seem to be dying down now, at least on the battlefront. The real question over Ecuador, however, still isn't solved, and that's what I'm going to be doing.

I see. Fortunately, things seem to be dying down now, at least on the battlefront. The real question over Ecuador, however, still isn't solved, and that's what I'm going to be doing.

Technically here is the situation:

(1) Yelm did D12 to get it from Malatose
(2) I must have never saw it on here and didn't update the maps because I found it now, it's in the 2700s IIRC.
(3) I realized Malatose was still on the map and not E2 so I made it free-claim.
(4) I claimed it.

Technically I did it illegally much like we've had with TKT and a few other people. It happens, mostly because I miss something and nobody tells me, nobody posts something, etc. It happens when we're dealing with 45 people and 5700+ posts, you know. So technically I have to give it back to Yelm, unless he says otherwise. We kept the war just because it was a fun RP.

Technically here is the situation:

(1) Yelm did D12 to get it from Malatose
(2) I must have never saw it on here and didn't update the maps because I found it now, it's in the 2700s IIRC.
(3) I realized Malatose was still on the map and not E2 so I made it free-claim.
(4) I claimed it.

Technically I did it illegally much like we've had with TKT and a few other people. It happens, mostly because I miss something and nobody tells me, nobody posts something, etc. It happens when we're dealing with 45 people and 5700+ posts, you know. So technically I have to give it back to Yelm, unless he says otherwise. We kept the war just because it was a fun RP.

Technically I don't really need Ecuador. I'll see how it pans out though.

I caused a three theater war involving some 12+ nations, I'm practically the Hitler of Earth II.

Technically I don't really need Ecuador. I'll see how it pans out though.

I caused a three theater war involving some 12+ nations, I'm practically the Hitler of Earth II.

Part of my grand plan to put you on so many fronts you couldn't continue fighting in Ecuador.

Technically I don't really need Ecuador. I'll see how it pans out though.

I caused a three theater war involving some 12+ nations, I'm practically the Hitler of Earth II.

Maybe, but King Yelm doesn't seem like the kind of guy who wants to go on genocides.

Part of my grand plan to put you on so many fronts you couldn't continue fighting in Ecuador.

That's why I started my draft about two weeks ago. I figured NG would attack me in Europe so that's why I built the Guilden Wall and increased soldier deployment there.

I knew I was going to get my ass handed, everyway I looked at it my fleet was going to be destroyed. Oh well.

Maybe, but King Yelm doesn't seem like the kind of guy who wants to go on genocides.

You're right about that. Their are some generals who wouldn't mind doing some "cleansing" of enemy lands.

You're right about that. Their are some generals who wouldn't mind doing some "cleansing" of enemy lands.

Exactly. Adolf Hitler was obsessed with getting rid of the Jews, but King Yelm appears to be the kind of guy who'd only kill civilians "if they got in the way".

That's why I started my draft about two weeks ago. I figured NG would attack me in Europe so that's why I built the Guilden Wall and increased soldier deployment there.

I knew I was going to get my ass handed, everyway I looked at it my fleet was going to be destroyed. Oh well.

By the way, have you responded to the attacks on that?

From an OOC standpoint that wall was a terrible idea. Sure, nobody can get in but you can't get out. My plan to incendiary bomb you in there will create such a firestorm it isn't funny.

By the way, have you responded to the attacks on that?

From an OOC standpoint that wall was a terrible idea. Sure, nobody can get in but you can't get out. My plan to incendiary bomb you in there will create such a firestorm it isn't funny.

From where I am sitting its very funny, I can't stop laughing

Hard-Lessons Learned [not E2 only] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433624)

A by-product of the Yelmish war.

By the way, have you responded to the attacks on that?

From an OOC standpoint that wall was a terrible idea. Sure, nobody can get in but you can't get out. My plan to incendiary bomb you in there will create such a firestorm it isn't funny.

It might not of be a very good idea but I never really planned it to hold out for the entire war. It's mostly to delay and aggrivate attackers and give me some fixed cannons to hit fairly deep into NG territory. It's mostly manned by Class B soldiers anyway.

It might not of be a very good idea but I never really planned it to hold out for the entire war. It's mostly to delay and aggrivate attackers and give me some fixed cannons to hit fairly deep into NG territory. It's mostly manned by Class B soldiers anyway.

Naturally, no wall stands forever, except some parts of Hadrians and the Great Wall :). Either way, the flaw in a wall is nobody gets out. Plus because it messes with air currents and the like man it just lets a wildfire be just that, wild. As soon as I realized you were completely enclosed, I went "WALLA!!! Firestorm!" The terrain there is loaded with trees and fuel, oxygen is abundant, and heat can just build. HOORAH!

Naturally, no wall stands forever, except some parts of Hadrians and the Great Wall :). Either way, the flaw in a wall is nobody gets out. Plus because it messes with air currents and the like man it just lets a wildfire be just that, wild. As soon as I realized you were completely enclosed, I went "WALLA!!! Firestorm!" The terrain there is loaded with trees and fuel, oxygen is abundant, and heat can just build. HOORAH!

Well I'm not technically totally enclosed. I do have the sea. All I have to do is defeat NtG's, and someone elses navy and then open seas. That shouldn't be too difficult.

Static Defensive Positions have failed over and over throughout history. The Mongols went around the Great Wall, Hadrian's Wall was also ineffective. The hopelessness of the Trenches in WWI. The Maginot Line was bypassed with a flanking move. A mobile attitude in both offensive and defensive strategy is a must in today's warfare environment.

BTW nice missiles you developed there Layarteb. I wish Freethinker would get back from vacation so he can tell me if he can build me a new battleship.

*sigh*


-Hawdawg

Hey Layarteb, can I be put on to D13 for a week please. Thanks.

"Operation Snapcount - the liberation of Liberia" had now been completed. Please remove it from the active RP list. Thanks.

Hi guys, i am back

Welcome back Pushka. How's Russia this summer?

Hot "slash" rain, just like every summer.

Love my new apartment, it kicks my old apartment in the ass.

The berlin wall did a pretty fine job of blocking people away, that wall created so much depression. It kicked major ass, only the lucky ones got across that wall.

The berlin wall did a pretty fine job of blocking people away, that wall created so much depression. It kicked major ass, only the lucky ones got across that wall.

It wouldn't have withstood a military attack. Any wall can hold back civilians but not an army.

Hell Hadirans Wall only fell because the Romans abandoned it.

Hot "slash" rain, just like every summer.

Love my new apartment, it kicks my old apartment in the ass.

Lucky with the rain.

We get rain EVERY day, even when it's NOT summer(not during the dry season, of course. Then it's every week or so :p. Unfortunatly, Dry Season lasts...not very long). It's hotter than your rain, it's wetter than your rain, it's harder than your rain, and when it's not rainy it's cloudy and humid and hot.

*cry*

Lucky with the rain.

We get rain EVERY day, even when it's NOT summer(not during the dry season, of course. Then it's every week or so :p. Unfortunatly, Dry Season lasts...not very long). It's hotter than your rain, it's wetter than your rain, it's harder than your rain, and when it's not rainy it's cloudy and humid and hot.

*cry*

Sounds a lot like Florida.

Rain every day?
check.
only two seasons, wet and dry?
check
torrential downpour?
check
humid and hot?
check

seem like the only difference is that Florida's been hit by 6 hurricanes in the past 2 years, and this year's season isn't even close to over.

We have it horrible right now in Chicago. We have a heat wave, so its like 100 degrees and 100% humidity, but it never rains.

Its sunny here, 20 degrees and a light breeze... perfect

Right here outside Oslo, its cold (15 degrees Celsius), cloudy and rain. However, the sun is about to break through. It's not summer though :(

Sounds a lot like Florida.

Rain every day?
check.
only two seasons, wet and dry?
check
torrential downpour?
check
humid and hot?
check

seem like the only difference is that Florida's been hit by 6 hurricanes in the past 2 years, and this year's season isn't even close to over.

Dude, it's Florida x10 man. Not to mention, we are right next to the friggen equator, and we are surrounded by rainforest. Sure, Florida is prolly SIMILAR(that's why Panamanians like to vacation there :D), but it's in no way the same.

Hawaii may be, though.

Its sunny here, 20 degrees and a light breeze... perfect

20 degrees C? That's around 68 Farenheit, no?

I agree: Perfect =(.

But, I also like Arid areas.

I miss Pakistan...

New, NON-War thread! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9310116#post9310116)

And, come ON, none of you should have an AIDS vaccine. Why? #1 In real life we are MANY years, even DECADES away from developing one, and #2, you all spend WAAAAAAYYY too much on military matters(I do too, by the way).

About 30 and humid in Alliston (NW of Toronto). Everyone here complains about "the heat", but I keep telling them, "I've been in 40 degree weather in Italy. This ISN'T hot." We also get a few paranoid politicians talking about "the West Nile epidemic" (that only hits one in ONE MILLION people) up here too, which also gets annoying.

About 30 and humid in Alliston (NW of Toronto). Everyone here complains about "the heat", but I keep telling them, "I've been in 40 degree weather in Italy. This ISN'T hot." We also get a few paranoid politicians talking about "the West Nile epidemic" (that only hits one in ONE MILLION people) up here too, which also gets annoying.

40 degree weather in Italy? HA! I've been in 130F (50C) degree weather in Pakistan.

*superman pose for having the record for being in the hottest place so far*

That raises the question "WTF were you doing in Pakistan?!?". Seriously, who goes to Pakistan (unless you have relatives or something there)? Here in Norway, we've got a shitload of immigrants from Pakistan. Why do they come here if its so great there? I'm just wondering.......

New, NON-War thread! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9310116#post9310116)

And, come ON, none of you should have an AIDS vaccine. Why? #1 In real life we are MANY years, even DECADES away from developing one, and #2, you all spend WAAAAAAYYY too much on military matters(I do too, by the way).

Heh, I have already developed and AIDs vaccination and have been distributing to my african provinces for sometime. I won't ruin your fun though :). It was all part of my African Resoration Project (3.2 Billion Dollars) which increased farm output, increased the living age of the average Ninjanian African, increased standard of living, and dramatically decreased poverty, yadda yadda.

That raises the question "WTF were you doing in Pakistan?!?". Seriously, who goes to Pakistan (unless you have relatives or something there)? Here in Norway, we've got a shitload of immigrants from Pakistan. Why do they come here if its so great there? I'm just wondering.......

Mi padre is a diplomat: Duh! We've been posted to Bangladesh and Pakistan, now all we need is India...

And Pakistan is cool! The food=t3h pwnz0rz. The people are nice(Except for the VERY FEW crazy radicals who are on the news oh-so-often), the climate is nice, the cities are nice, etc. Problem is, jobs are a bit low, but the Pakistani economy are growing(not as fast as India, mind you, but tis growing plenty fast).

Aha. That explaines everything then. Just had to ask.

Hey guys, look at this...

North Germania is ranked 1st in the region and 184th in the world for Highest Police Ratios.

Meh, meh, meh.

Layarteb: Put me on vacation mode for two weeks please. I will be out of pocket for a conference and business stuff.

-Hawdawg

TLS: Thread added.

Cotland/And: Territories shifted.

Haw/NR: D13 added.

Hey guys, look at this...

North Germania is ranked 1st in the region and 184th in the world for Highest Police Ratios.

Meh, meh, meh.

bah, 5th in the region and 536th-ish in the world for highest Police ratios

Anyway, Layarteb, can you put be back into D13 for another two weeks, up, until about the 9th/10th of August I think. Cheers.

ICH BEIN EIN BERLINER!!!

Anyhoo, today is really strange. For the first time this ENTIRE vacation, today is the first day I have woken up before 10:30. I think my body is switching into sk00l-gear(I woke up at 6:47, a mere 47 minutes after I usually wake up).

ICH BEIN EIN BERLINER!!!

Anyhoo, today is really strange. For the first time this ENTIRE vacation, today is the first day I have woken up before 10:30. I think my body is switching into sk00l-gear(I woke up at 6:47, a mere 47 minutes after I usually wake up).

Feels good doesn't it? I've done it for about a week or so and I feel a lot better already.

Feels good doesn't it? I've done it for about a week or so and I feel a lot better already.

We're getting rain here today, the wind is up, the sky is gray, and the air is humid. It'll hopefully cool everything over.

We're getting rain here today, the wind is up, the sky is gray, and the air is humid. It'll hopefully cool everything over.

We're apparently going to get rain too up here, and it should provide a bit of relief from the heat (although I really don't mind...it's FAR better than winter).

We're apparently going to get rain too up here, and it should provide a bit of relief from the heat (although I really don't mind...it's FAR better than winter).

Yeah...our whole country here is in a heat wave. They've got temps over 100°F throughout the midwest and west. We've had every day over 90 with humidity in the 90s as well. It's something brutal. The water is ass warm too so if a hurricane decides to curve up the coast it'll be greeted well with water temps higher than they normally would be for this time of year. This means that when August comes and the water temps get even hotter and into September when they stabalize, it'll be many degrees warmer. It's going to be a good season!

Damn. It's typical. I'm on "vacation" at my brothers place in Oslo, where it, along with the rest of the country, is cloudy, rain and cold. The only place where its sun, warm and nice is in Bergen, where I live! For once, its sun and warm there and I'm not there! And the worst part is, it's going to be over when the weekend comes, when I'm going home... :(

Am I feeling blue? Yep....

Layarteb: Well, they were predicting that the "new normal" for Florida would be a lot of hurricanes, and it looks like they'll be right. I imagine a mass migration soon...

Cotland: Heh, now you know how I felt when I was in Florida for Christmas- cold, cloudy and rainy. The good weather came when I left...

Layarteb: Well, they were predicting that the "new normal" for Florida would be a lot of hurricanes, and it looks like they'll be right. I imagine a mass migration soon...

Cotland: Heh, now you know how I felt when I was in Florida for Christmas- cold, cloudy and rainy. The good weather came when I left...

Yeah well there was a mass migration down there I don't want them coming back. They don't know how to drive.

Meh, its been raining and thundering all damned day here in Chicago, I'm stuck in my house, fighting for my very survival and a chance at the computer with my 5 younger brothers. Nuclear war couldn't be as bad as this.

Kreynoria']Meh, its been raining and thundering all damned day here in Chicago, I'm stuck in my house, fighting for my very survival and a chance at the computer with my 5 younger brothers. Nuclear war couldn't be as bad as this.

Yeah all that for nothing, not 1 drop of rain. Mother nature can be cruel.

Weather in Russia is kind of crazy. Last summer we had high temperatures (i was in St.Petersburg at the time) and then one day i am walking with my freinds down the Nevsky Prospect towards the metro after watching a movie and huge chanks of hail started falling from the sky, that lasted about 20 minutes, but freaked me out quite a bit, the movie i saw that day was "The Day After Tommorow", weird but true. And it was a hot and sunny day too, the hail storm only errupted once the whole summer, its crazy.

Kreynoria']Meh, its been raining and thundering all damned day here in Chicago, I'm stuck in my house, fighting for my very survival and a chance at the computer with my 5 younger brothers. Nuclear war couldn't be as bad as this.

FIVE brothers, christ, I have two and I think its bad enough trying to get a hold of the computer.

We got a freak hail storm here earlier this summer, as well. It was the largest hail around here that I can remember. Weather gets weird in the summer.

Also, TLS how are the Panamanians taking their Gold Cup defeat? If you've noticed at all.

@Layatreb: Order of Reptiles TGed me and said that he transfers all of his Earth II land to me, if you do not believe me please TG Order of Reptiles for confermation.

Meh good weather in new zealand can be as sporadic as a great All black performance. (we dominated the Lions, and have proven ourselves to be world champions at rugby yet again but lack any trophies grrrrr) so maybe that was a lie. lol

but yeah i live in the far north which is meant to be new Zealands most temperate and wamrest region... but going by our weather of late. you could say welcome to the sunny far north and bring a raincoat.... :)

but hey thats global warming for ya. i suppose.

Im gonna r.p. for annexation of Zwmbabwe. anyone interested in playing resistance???

by the way what happened to the defense sheet??? it has got deleted :(

can someone suggest some military storefronts. i forgot the good ones.

heres the r.p. im working on for zwmbabwe...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9318584#post9318584post9318584

Earth II Defenses Sheet
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412071

Zeeland, just be aware that Jyrian lands are under the protection of the Irish Commonwealth. Though the government is in shambles, we will protect our ally until he is able to take power again.

Woooooooooooohoooooooooooo!!!

I'm back, baby!

Where have I been? Just around. Busy, mostly with other stuff but I see that I am decree 12, and my lands are being invaded??!

This will not stand. It can sit, or lay down, but stand it will not.

I'd like to open with a quote:

"Ladies and gentlemen, Africa is God's land, and he can keep it."
-Groucho Marx

While this may imply that I don't want my territories, I, in fact, do.

I'll be reclaiming my African lands, thank you, but South America I'm not interested in, so you can stop worrying, Layarteb. You probably weren't shaking in your boots to begin with, but I'm just clarifying.

Sincerely, the *newly elected leader of the New Jyrian Empire*,
Miles Proelii

Took you long enough, I've been trying to get you back for weeks.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/TECH/space/07/26/space.shuttle/story.1039.launch.jpg

Oh shit. They finally got it off the launch ramp? Nice! Good luck to them.

Oh shit. They finally got it off the launch ramp? Nice! Good luck to them.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/170951/26_26_072605_space_shuttle12.jpg

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/TECH/space/07/26/space.shuttle/top.1043.launch.wide.jpg

Celtayoshi: Sure can do.

Pushka: You'll need him to confirm that here. The reasoning behind that is so that everyone sees it, so nobody can accuse anybody of "favoritism" or "cheating" or the like. It goes for everyone like that, myself included.

Zeeeland: RP added.

New Jyria: Actually you went to 21 days of inactivity and that was what happened, not Decree 12. The reason you stayed on it was because you never posted to the contrary but now you aren't. When I took French Guiana, I made it a protectorate, so to speak, so if you want it back we can transfer control back, I never actually put much military forces in it.

By the way, Colerica gave me control of all his territories. Once he confirms I will be adding them to my Empire. Iowa will be transfered to Soviet Bloc so both of them will need to confirm.

Confirmed. I bow my way out of E-2.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434258

"The massacre at al-Rafiki"

I think that all muslim nations/nations with large muslim populations should pay attention to this thing. Basically its a lot of muslims being killed by Cottish soldiers outside a mosque.

What will the Techno-Caliphate of Neo-Carthage and the Nine Sultanates of Elephantum think of this???

Who knows? I'm just rooting out terrorists..... Cotland style!!!

Layarteb, I might have found a decent world map to use.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/teacher_lessons/worldmap1.jpg

http://www.mapsofworld.com/images/world-island-map.gif

We got a freak hail storm here earlier this summer, as well. It was the largest hail around here that I can remember. Weather gets weird in the summer.

Also, TLS how are the Panamanians taking their Gold Cup defeat? If you've noticed at all.

They're crushed :D

But I watched it, and our team WON!(I'm from the U.S., of course).

WOOhOOOOOO!!!

I actually managed to attend the US-Honduras/Colombia-Panama semifinals and the finals as well. I have to say, the Panamanians were much friendlier and more gracious losers than the Hondurans. There were four fights in my vicinity during the semis, only one of which security bothered to break up and that was only because they wouldn't give the ball back. I have to hand it to Panama, though they dominated Colombia and the 3-2 scoreline didn't reflect the game at all and their performance against the US (sans penalties) was admirable. I'm sorry they're not doing better in qualifying, they're a fun team to watch.

We're getting rain here today, the wind is up, the sky is gray, and the air is humid. It'll hopefully cool everything over.


It's a maricle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here in Chicago, we finally have rain. As quoted from Kreynoria"random crouds start shouting," maricles do happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Hey Kreynoria, I've got a better map from Newb Earth for teh wurld!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *evil, psychotic, maniac laughter*

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/Lishtan/worldNewbEarth.jpg

(PS its already colored for Earth Newb nations, but you can take care of it, right Lay?)

Hello Hello
This is the same one who ran The Knight Templars, who quite clearly was deleted some while ago
And i understand how decree 8 works, so this is nothing more than really a plea:
somebody , anybody, let me back into my lands. Let me rp a revolution in them (dont want to be doing this without their permission), or give me some land, with the templar oath we will be complete and total allies as long as you want.
anyways, glad to see earth II is still rockin.

Actually, the Romans have established your lands as protectorates of Rome, to be returned upon the re-emergence of the Templars. So a revolution probably won't be necessary.

Layarteb, I'd like to lay claims to Nigeria, Gabon, and Republic of the Congo if they are not already taken. My role-playing for these will be done within the Zeeeland thread.

Layarteb, I'd like to lay claims to Nigeria, Gabon, and Republic of the Congo if they are not already taken. My role-playing for these will be done within the Zeeeland thread.

I believe all of those are taken, althoughI might be willing to sell you the Democratic Republic of the Congo if the price is right. For future reference, check the claims and maps on page one before claiming anything.

I'm won't be able to participate in any RP's for about a week or two due to the passing of the my grandparents. After maybe two weeks or less I'll start responding.

Yes, yes, I hereby confirm giving all of my fairly pathetic land claims to Pushka, to do with as he will, etc etc etc.

However, for the purposes of his RP conquest of the territory, as I assume he will be required to RP it, it would be utter suicide to attack the best defended place on Earth II (next to North Germania's Fortress Europe, possibly) if my forces were still there. Therefore, in the interest of allowing him to take the land, the Grand Torian Dominion is withdrawing from E2 altogether, to seek our fortunes elsewhere (and because it's unfair to take up land if I'm never active). See this how you will, be it moving to another land, shooting off into space, or ceasing to exist completely, I am no longer a part of E2, nor do any Torian forces or civilians reside within my former lands.

I believe all of those are taken, althoughI might be willing to sell you the Democratic Republic of the Congo if the price is right. For future reference, check the claims and maps on page one before claiming anything.

According to the claims list and the map of africa (at the time I announced it anyway), none of those were taken, unless of course white represents someone.

...Nope, all free. It looks like there was some debate over Nigeria between Duke Barol and someone else, so maybe that's how it's been overlooked. Looks like these countries just sort of fell through the cracks.

Cotland: RP added.

Krey: Well the second one has that big copyright in the middle, so that won't work but the first isn't so bad.

Sparta Dominion: Nice job. But as I ask people not to use my maps I will respect others'.

Krawkovia: It definitely sucked when you left. I can't remember, but what lands did you have?

New Jyria: Claims will be added. Only thing is your "new" population is 445m meaning you are limited to 1.05m square miles. With those you have 1.033 so be wary of that.

Yelm: Sorry to hear that man. I'll put you on D13 until you get back and then we can continue the RPs.

The Order of Reptiles: Gotcha. You know you are welcome back.

Pushka: You are limited to 2.05m with your population and you are at 2.127 so you will have to trim off about 72k. In SQ/KM that is your max is 5,179,976.00 and you are at 5,509,872.63.

I get Iowa!

New Jyria: Claims will be added. Only thing is your "new" population is 445m meaning you are limited to 1.05m square miles. With those you have 1.033 so be wary of that.


Actually I still use my original nation and its statistics, it's just I can't post using it. Something happened with the Jolt forums a while back and the admin have yet to respond to my e-mails concerning the matter. So, until then, I'm using this puppet to stay active.

Oh, and Squornshelous, I'd be happy to take the Democratic Republic of the Congo off your hands, name your price, I trust it will be fair.

Actually I still use my original nation and its statistics, it's just I can't post using it. Something happened with the Jolt forums a while back and the admin have yet to respond to my e-mails concerning the matter. So, until then, I'm using this puppet to stay active.

That's right, you told me that a while back.

Hey SB, you got it!

To everyone who is interested:

I have made a new post for the poland thread here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430186&page=2), and it adresses the entire world. So at least check it out please?

The USA map looks gorgeous.

The USA map looks gorgeous.

At least not as cluttered :D

The lands i remember were Azerbijan (dont remember the spelling, however), georgia, southern iraq, qatar, friulia in northern italy, and most definitely israel. If rome really did establish some of those lands as protecterates, well, i may cry ( in happiness, of course). got stuck in mexico for a while so i got deleted, but hopefully ill be around for good this time.

The lands i remember were Azerbijan (dont remember the spelling, however), georgia, southern iraq, qatar, friulia in northern italy, and most definitely israel. If rome really did establish some of those lands as protecterates, well, i may cry ( in happiness, of course). got stuck in mexico for a while so i got deleted, but hopefully ill be around for good this time.
Why don't you just send a "Getting Help" report to the mods and ask them to restore your main nation? That's the easiest way to do things.

Members of the League of Nations, check the thread.

Kreynoria']Members of the League of Nations, check the thread.

The LON has a forum in my forums if you wish to use it. Link will be in my signature.

Pushka: You are limited to 2.05m with your population and you are at 2.127 so you will have to trim off about 72k. In SQ/KM that is your max is 5,179,976.00 and you are at 5,509,872.63.

wait i am at 5,509,872.63 already or is it if Order of Reptiles lands are added to me?

Anyways, i am prepared to kick off cameroon and sierra leone, you just give me as much land in Russia as i can have.

oh and you can take me off the vacation mode.

wait i am at 5,509,872.63 already or is it if Order of Reptiles lands are added to me?

Anyways, i am prepared to kick off cameroon and sierra leone, you just give me as much land in Russia as i can have.

If you are prepared to sell Cameroon, I am prepared to purchase it.

That works, i just need Layatreb to answer my question first.

Actually I still use my original nation and its statistics, it's just I can't post using it. Something happened with the Jolt forums a while back and the admin have yet to respond to my e-mails concerning the matter. So, until then, I'm using this puppet to stay active.

Oh, and Squornshelous, I'd be happy to take the Democratic Republic of the Congo off your hands, name your price, I trust it will be fair.

I got it from Tyrandis in exchange for not attacking him or his allies during the World War.

Anyhow, I'm not doing much with it, so how does 2 trillion USD sound?

I got it from Tyrandis in exchange for not attacking him or his allies during the World War.

Anyhow, I'm not doing much with it, so how does 2 trillion USD sound?
Sounds reasonable. I'll take it.

oh SHIZERHOUSEN!!!!!. pardon my german... soon as i lay siege to a 21 day non active nation. he bloody well comes back!!! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa not fair.

guess i better take this like a man.... :) Il continue the R.p. ne Jyria. nothing personal mate i just wanted land ya know????

Krey huahin, soviet sith we need to talk.......

I wont ally wank if new jyria doesnt. (i.e. make it a fairer fight) p.s. lay can you add the defense list back on earth II? as i have forgotten my military stats

All very well. Unless the very existence of your state is in jeopardy, we shall stay on the sidelines for this one.

I didnt imply otherwise.....

i hope im not in jeopardy. I ignorantly invaded Zimbabwe without realising new Jyria is still alive. i hope the rest of the world sees it as that. anyway i dont think i can back down. so this is going to be "mano a mano" with N.J. others can help his cause but i wont trouble my friends.

(i beleive you got in the same situation when you invaded yelmish territories Krey, so i do not blame you for being a tad apprehensive into going into another war...)

Sounds reasonable. I'll take it.

It's a done deal then.

La Guerra que no Hombre Debe Saber [Quasi-Closed] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434657)

It is Earth II but it will be open to good RP'ers not in E2 to take part in it. For now it's just a story but I will be inviting some people to come along and play.

The lands i remember were Azerbijan (dont remember the spelling, however), georgia, southern iraq, qatar, friulia in northern italy, and most definitely israel. If rome really did establish some of those lands as protecterates, well, i may cry ( in happiness, of course). got stuck in mexico for a while so i got deleted, but hopefully ill be around for good this time.

Yes I did:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424643&highlight=Knights+Templars

The lands are Venezia-Friuli-Giulia, Israel and the Vatican. They can be yours again if you so desire.

DAMMIT!

Now I'll never get Jerusalem

*Cry*

oh SHIZERHOUSEN!!!!!. pardon my german... soon as i lay siege to a 21 day non active nation. he bloody well comes back!!! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa not fair.

guess i better take this like a man.... :) Il continue the R.p. ne Jyria. nothing personal mate i just wanted land ya know????

No big deal. I understand, after all there was no way you could possibly have known I would have come back all of the sudden. Just remember for the future: Chance favors the prepared mind.

Alright alright alright
They did give me this nation back, so now im ready to rock. Ill respond in the thread Rome gave to get back into those lands
Deus Volt

Templars stole my motto!

Deus Vult, indeed.





:)

In other news, I'm going to be out of commission from Sunday til Thursday. Soccer camp, you see. I fully expect it to be brutal. So, don't get too carried away with that Zimbabwe war, I want to blow some stuff up.

Hey guys im almost out of camp....5 days left, then i will be somewhat more active maybe even take some D12 territory

But i was also have a question

When you guys write your order of battles and show the troops that you are deploying, shouldn't you also list where in your empire each unit is stationed? I mean it seems kind of odd that 3/4ths of your army just happen to be right next to the country your attacking. Plus it makes the art of war on E2 more easier, because if nation A wants to attack nation B he can just go to an area where their are not a lot of military units. This idea will also force the larger nation to spread their units equality among their empire and make it easier for small nations. Or if nation A and B want to attack nation C and nation C holds all of Europe. Nation A can attack Spain....wait till nation C issues their order of battle then nation B can attack Germany. So more tactic style gameplay would be created

What do you guys think did that make any sense

Hey guys im almost out of camp....5 days left, then i will be somewhat more active maybe even take some D12 territory

But i was also have a question

When you guys write your order of battles and show the troops that you are deploying, shouldn't you also list where in your empire each unit is stationed? I mean it seems kind of odd that 3/4ths of your army just happen to be right next to the country your attacking. Plus it makes the art of war on E2 more easier, because if nation A wants to attack nation B he can just go to an area where their are not a lot of military units. This idea will also force the larger nation to spread their units equality among their empire and make it easier for small nations. Or if nation A and B want to attack nation C and nation C holds all of Europe. Nation A can attack Spain....wait till nation C issues their order of battle then nation B can attack Germany. So more tactic style gameplay would be created

What do you guys think did that make any sense

Seems a bit complicated, especially for large empires or nations with high populations. I do think it makes sense that reinforcements should take some time to arrive, but do you mean list where all of your units are stationed? Because if that is what you mean, I think that would make it a little too easy for enemies. Realistically, if an enemy wanted to know troop strength in a given area, they'd have sattelites set to take pictures. Essentially, the nation A would request troop strength in a given area of nation B and then nation B would be required to respond.

That's my take on it.

Im back (dun dun dun), now you'll never get my lands!

Rome-You have officially angered me! :mad: The great state of Massachusetts, British! How dare you! New York, probably, Canada, definetly, the southern colonies, most likely, but why Boston? (I'm not really mad, but I live a short distance away from Lexington and Concord, and my town has the first American battleflag (a cookie to the person who can name it)) What happened in your alternate history that allowed one of the most rebellious colonies in North America to stay British when so many others got away? Also, is Bahrain an "Arab State," Roman, Greek, or Independent? It has been a center of commerce since before Greco-Roman times, and it was a port that many ships visited. As such, few (Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, for example), have tried to touch it. Qatar, which overpowered the small country, ended up ruling from Bahrain, so profitable were its ports. In fact, the Al-Khalifas, the current rulers of Bahrain, are Qatari by descent.

TKT-What I said in my Tg stands

Cotland-Expect a response to the massacre

Cotland-Expect a response to the massacre

That's why it's there.

back again now where were we. are yes im on the brink of apocalyptic oblivion... how easy one forgets these things lol :p

Im back (dun dun dun), now you'll never get my lands!

Rome-You have officially angered me! :mad: The great state of Massachusetts, British! How dare you! New York, probably, Canada, definetly, the southern colonies, most likely, but why Boston? (I'm not really mad, but I live a short distance away from Lexington and Concord, and my town has the first American battleflag (a cookie to the person who can name it)) What happened in your alternate history that allowed one of the most rebellious colonies in North America to stay British when so many others got away? Also, is Bahrain an "Arab State," Roman, Greek, or Independent? It has been a center of commerce since before Greco-Roman times, and it was a port that many ships visited. As such, few (Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, for example), have tried to touch it. Qatar, which overpowered the small country, ended up ruling from Bahrain, so profitable were its ports. In fact, the Al-Khalifas, the current rulers of Bahrain, are Qatari by descent.

TKT-What I said in my Tg stands

Cotland-Expect a response to the massacre


OMFG! Another Massachusettsian(or someone who likes Massachusetts)!

I was a bit PO'd at that myself, to tell the truth. But he DID give Poland a huge chunk of land...

yes i am a Massachusettian...er...Massachusetter...Massachusettishman...Massachusetti...Massachusettese...take your pick :)

but can you name the flag? the first one to fly for America, it was at the old north bridge if that helps.

any Revolutionary War buffs?

Well, I think you mean either the liberty flag (the very first american flag of any time, i think)
or more probably the grand union flag, eh? (just like the american flag, only with a union jack where the stars are now)
hey, instead of a cookie, maybe you could give me, eh . . . jordan?

I'm back - for a week - then I'm off again for another two.

Hey guys im almost out of camp....5 days left, then i will be somewhat more active maybe even take some D12 territory

But i was also have a question

When you guys write your order of battles and show the troops that you are deploying, shouldn't you also list where in your empire each unit is stationed? I mean it seems kind of odd that 3/4ths of your army just happen to be right next to the country your attacking. Plus it makes the art of war on E2 more easier, because if nation A wants to attack nation B he can just go to an area where their are not a lot of military units. This idea will also force the larger nation to spread their units equality among their empire and make it easier for small nations. Or if nation A and B want to attack nation C and nation C holds all of Europe. Nation A can attack Spain....wait till nation C issues their order of battle then nation B can attack Germany. So more tactic style gameplay would be created

What do you guys think did that make any sense

I think you're talking about my land too much.

Replied to the Polish rebellion here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9353478#post9353478. If it breaks any rules of the game, I'll edit it. But I just wanted to be realistic and give the Poles a 'punch in the face', so to speak.

Ouch. Fourth Reich is mean.

TKT-Those flags came after the flag resolution (of 1777 IIRC), this was around before, no cookie for you

As for Jordan, it is a major economic center, so I'm not just going to give it to you, have you anything to offer me?

Well, theres always monetary compensation, if thats what youre really looking for, then this shoul be an easy deal. Until the thread Rome supplied about the protecterates is finished, i have no other land to trade. We have come across some very important artifacts in our time . . . i kid. Maybe something more complex will be needed for this trade, in which case ill probably just tg you.

And the only other flag i can think of is that Join or Die Snake on the stripes. Is that it?

nope thats not it, this existed before the revolution, and as such it appeared mere hours, not months or years, after the shot was fired.

By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
their flag to April's breeze unfurled...

From A Concord Hymn by Emerson, said flag would be the one I'm talking about, assuming he knew what he was talking about, as it was the only one there

But as to the whole military thing, heres how I do it. Using my air force as an example, I have over 13,000 fixed wing aircraft. I divided these into "wings" based on usage. These all have different sizes, a Refueling Wing, for example, has only 25 planes, while a Combat Wing has 230. Instead of choosing six dozen different places to have Air Force Bases, I pick a major city, and assign wings to it. These would really be at facilities all around the nearby area, but for I treat it as one base. The Navy operates in a similar fashion, divided into "groups" instead. The Army is divided into divisions, which are more spread out than the Air Force and Navy, but are pretty much the same. I am adding a Home Guard (Coast Guard, border patrol, etc.), and making the Royal Guard an official branch of the military (they were once the High Sultan's bodyguard). The Marines are a collaboration between Navy and Army.

Zeee check your Tgs.

nope thats not it, this existed before the revolution, and as such it appeared mere hours, not months or years, after the shot was fired.

By the rude bridge that arched the flood,
their flag to April's breeze unfurled...

From A Concord Hymn by Emerson, said flag would be the one I'm talking about, assuming he knew what he was talking about, as it was the only one there

Erm, the "Don't Tread on Me" flag?

thats not it. Its a square flag, if that helps

Rome-You have officially angered me! :mad: The great state of Massachusetts, British! How dare you! New York, probably, Canada, definetly, the southern colonies, most likely, but why Boston? (I'm not really mad, but I live a short distance away from Lexington and Concord, and my town has the first American battleflag (a cookie to the person who can name it)) What happened in your alternate history that allowed one of the most rebellious colonies in North America to stay British when so many others got away? Also, is Bahrain an "Arab State," Roman, Greek, or Independent? It has been a center of commerce since before Greco-Roman times, and it was a port that many ships visited. As such, few (Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, for example), have tried to touch it. Qatar, which overpowered the small country, ended up ruling from Bahrain, so profitable were its ports. In fact, the Al-Khalifas, the current rulers of Bahrain, are Qatari by descent.

Actually, the current North American nations only sprang up in 1991:

www.geocities.com/vicendum/fallofamerica.html

(I just finished that particular story. I have several other stories to tell in addition to the article, because, like real history, this alternate history is a lot more complex than it seems. Oh, and I do have something planned for "New England", so don't worry. :D I have also edited that map, and to answer the question about why I moved the Romans to Ontario- it's meant to symbolize what I feel is a very "European" feel within the province, which is also where I happen to live)

As for your Bahrain question: I intend for it to be grouped with the Arab states considering it is geographically on the Arabian Peninsula.

Hey people. I just got a TG from Layarteb, explaining why he hasn't been on for the past few days. He's just moved from one place to another, so have some patience with the man. Anyway, here's the TG.


The Empire of Layarteb
Received: 9 hours ago

Do me a favor tell the people at E2 that um my cable is not hooked up yet, but it should be within the week.

Thanks

fair enough then...

It took me a half hour to find this thread. Kinda sucks when it slips back to the EIGHTH PAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111

I do a search for every topic i've posted in. That way a list of every topic I can be arsed to reply to comes up on my screen.

I click on my profile and go to my subscriptions folder where the forum automatically lists all the threads I've posted in in order of latest posts, with new posts in bold letters.

Actually, the current North American nations only sprang up in 1991:

www.geocities.com/vicendum/fallofamerica.html

(I just finished that particular story. I have several other stories to tell in addition to the article, because, like real history, this alternate history is a lot more complex than it seems. Oh, and I do have something planned for "New England", so don't worry. :D I have also edited that map, and to answer the question about why I moved the Romans to Ontario- it's meant to symbolize what I feel is a very "European" feel within the province, which is also where I happen to live)

As for your Bahrain question: I intend for it to be grouped with the Arab states considering it is geographically on the Arabian Peninsula.

1. You DO realise the link in your sig is busted, right?

2. It STILL doesn't explain why New England wouldn't found it's own state. New England was always very seperatist(They tried to leave the Union at least once, during 1812) and independent, and we pride ourselves on being the people who started the revolution. It would be mighty difficult to make us go "Oh, even though we are distinct, we'll join the Brit's anyhoo, even though we pride ourselves on kicking them out o' town way back when."

What I'd say would be that the New Englanders would make their own state. At least Massachussetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine.

3. The Carthaginians always controlled the Mediterranean coast of Libya. Why did you make it it's own state? I don't think a might empire would consist of about 5 inches of land.

4. You prolly already knew this, but some of your maps(mainly the Europe and Africa ones) differ.

Hey guys! im back from sunny ny and dc and va! im still here so dont get rid of me. can someone please bring me up to speed on what has happened since june 20? thanks!!!

haw, i got your tg, did anything come of that?

I think you're talking about my land too much.


No i have nothing against your nation NG. Im just trying to make the game more about tactics rather then brute force. If the Vietnam war was fought on E2 standards America would of won simply cause USA is bigger and have a bigger military....but instead the Vietcog won because the USA can't fight a long campagin and because the Vietcog used tactics!!

how can you not expect my nation to be anti-imperalist after what i been through. My nation has always been anti-imperalist

Changes are coming to pantheaa though, the old left-wing hippie liberals are gone from my government, replaced my a military dictatorship...and next week im going to after some land, beware d12's.

Check your intelligence for a minute.....
Look!!! pantheaa is building up military strength. Now all i need is to make a couple of alliances and watch out nelly, here comes the brotherhood of Nod.

I just don't have any time to write a RPG at the moment cause i only have like an hour of free time.

Hey guys! im back from sunny ny and dc and va! im still here so dont get rid of me. can someone please bring me up to speed on what has happened since june 20? thanks!!!

haw, i got your tg, did anything come of that?

BIG War with Yelm(almost over, but his grand-papy died or something so it's been paused), and the "Polish Affair"(Poland wants freedom and Rome and I have offered to grant it independence for $20 trillion) is heating up.

Hey guys! im back from sunny ny and dc and va! im still here so dont get rid of me. can someone please bring me up to speed on what has happened since june 20? thanks!!!

:: mutters :: Damn.... :: /mutters ::

Well, we all went on a giant nukefest against you and nuked, gassed, burned and invaded your holdings, slaughtered your livestock and stole your natural resources.











Seriously though, we didn't (although I wish we did), but Lay got invaded by Yelm, and the latter ended up with, how many was it? 14 nations against him? Anyway, the RPs with the war on Yelm got frozen when his grandparents died, and we're waiting for Yelm to come back now. Other that that, I joined the October Alliance (strangely enough), Lay's got a rebellion in Yucatan, Pantheaa and NG are bickering about his land in Europe as you can read above, TLS is hosting a anti-AIDS conference soon I think, and other than that, there's not really been much happening. Although I do wish we got started on that nukefest.... ;)

Damn you TLS! I wanted him to read the ranting I wrote!

Anyways, still waiting for a reply in the courtroom in Cairo...

Damn you TLS! I wanted him to read the ranting I wrote!

Anyways, still waiting for a reply in the courtroom in Cairo...

I'm busy ><

sk00l start tommorrow(Er, I guess today now), and I really should be asleep, but can't manage to ><.

I am so screwed.

1. You DO realise the link in your sig is busted, right?

2. It STILL doesn't explain why New England wouldn't found it's own state. New England was always very seperatist(They tried to leave the Union at least once, during 1812) and independent, and we pride ourselves on being the people who started the revolution. It would be mighty difficult to make us go "Oh, even though we are distinct, we'll join the Brit's anyhoo, even though we pride ourselves on kicking them out o' town way back when."

What I'd say would be that the New Englanders would make their own state. At least Massachussetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine.

3. The Carthaginians always controlled the Mediterranean coast of Libya. Why did you make it it's own state? I don't think a might empire would consist of about 5 inches of land.

4. You prolly already knew this, but some of your maps(mainly the Europe and Africa ones) differ.

1. That pic link? Yeah, I know...but I'm not interested in revamping the signature of my puppet...that nation I only use when I'm in a rush.

2. There's a difference between "political control" and what's actually inside the nation. Naturally, since the area's called New England the Brits get it, but it doesn't mean that the population likes them. I know that if the rioters can take down the American Army they probably could take down the British as well, but there's really only so much chaos you can take before the people bite the bullet and say "we'll take it- for now." Besides, the British would probably love to "get back" at the rebellious colonies, so I wouldn't put it past them to be able to pacify any revolts that may take place there (the inept Dan Quayle, however, can't). I don't plan on keeping the British there long, however, because suppression can only last for so long.

(I should mention that the Vicendum project isn't static- it will change and it will be updated. Just how our real world evolves before our own very eyes, so will Vicendum)

3. I had initially thought Carthage really only ruled Tunisia (as far as African territory was concerned) but I realize now that they really did get all the way to Egypt (well, Cyrene, because that was Greek). I've edited that map (and the African one- I know that some of the maps don't gel but it's been a little crazy for me the past few days. Also, some maps have blank spaces on purpose, because the periphery was better covered in another map- however, if there are any other errors I'm not seeing please point them out so I can correct it).

4. I know you made the point in the Polish thread, but I personally think Nero often gets too much of a bad rap. Suetonius writes that early on in his reign Nero was actually an upstanding guy who listened to the people and even played along with them (for example, he ordered that the Praetorian Guard- who usually accompanied the Emperor to the Games- stay home so that he could better "banter" with the crowd). He was a patron of culture as well, visiting Greece and participating in the Isthmian Games. Of course, he had to make sure that he won every competition he entered, but that's a given because he's, well, "the Emperor". The more important part is that he was the first Emperor to actually participate on the stage instead of just watching, which was shocking back then. Of course, once Nero realized that he was Emperor his ego inflated with his embezzelment of Rome's massive Imperial Treasury, which was completely- and I mean completely- depleted after Nero's reign. However, that was late in his reign (as was his persecution of the Christians)- early on, he was actually pretty good.

My favourite, however, when it comes to just why absolute power isn't good is Caligula. Oh that crazy Caligula. Just to highlight how insane he was, I'll highlight my favourite story about him: one day, he was converging with a stage actor. During their convergence, they came across a statue of Zeus. Caligula stood beside the statue and asked the actor, "who's greater? Me or Zeus?" When the actor- understandably- hesitated, Caligula had him killed. Oh, but that wasn't all- apparently, he also wanted to make his horse "Consul" and ordered the Romans to collect sea shells as "spoils of the sea." Well...

1. That pic link? Yeah, I know...but I'm not interested in revamping the signature of my puppet...that nation I only use when I'm in a rush.

2. There's a difference between "political control" and what's actually inside the nation. Naturally, since the area's called New England the Brits get it, but it doesn't mean that the population likes them. I know that if the rioters can take down the American Army they probably could take down the British as well, but there's really only so much chaos you can take before the people bite the bullet and say "we'll take it- for now." Besides, the British would probably love to "get back" at the rebellious colonies, so I wouldn't put it past them to be able to pacify any revolts that may take place there (the inept Dan Quayle, however, can't). I don't plan on keeping the British there long, however, because suppression can only last for so long.

(I should mention that the Vicendum project isn't static- it will change and it will be updated. Just how our real world evolves before our own very eyes, so will Vicendum)

3. I had initially thought Carthage really only ruled Tunisia (as far as African territory was concerned) but I realize now that they really did get all the way to Egypt (well, Cyrene, because that was Greek). I've edited that map (and the African one- I know that some of the maps don't gel but it's been a little crazy for me the past few days. Also, some maps have blank spaces on purpose, because the periphery was better covered in another map- however, if there are any other errors I'm not seeing please point them out so I can correct it).

4. I know you made the point in the Polish thread, but I personally think Nero often gets too much of a bad rap. Suetonius writes that early on in his reign Nero was actually an upstanding guy who listened to the people and even played along with them (for example, he ordered that the Praetorian Guard- who usually accompanied the Emperor to the Games- stay home so that he could better "banter" with the crowd). He was a patron of culture as well, visiting Greece and participating in the Isthmian Games. Of course, he had to make sure that he won every competition he entered, but that's a given because he's, well, "the Emperor". The more important part is that he was the first Emperor to actually participate on the stage instead of just watching, which was shocking back then. Of course, once Nero realized that he was Emperor his ego inflated with his embezzelment of Rome's massive Imperial Treasury, which was completely- and I mean completely- depleted after Nero's reign. However, that was late in his reign (as was his persecution of the Christians)- early on, he was actually pretty good.

My favourite, however, when it comes to just why absolute power isn't good is Caligula. Oh that crazy Caligula. Just to highlight how insane he was, I'll highlight my favourite story about him: one day, he was converging with a stage actor. During their convergence, they came across a statue of Zeus. Caligula stood beside the statue and asked the actor, "who's greater? Me or Zeus?" When the actor- understandably- hesitated, Caligula had him killed. Oh, but that wasn't all- apparently, he also wanted to make his horse "Consul" and ordered the Romans to collect sea shells as "spoils of the sea." Well...

1. Meh.

2. Ok, I realised it would be ever-changing :)

3. Aye, no problem. We who focus on Carthage are a rare breed ><

4. Yeah, Nero was good at the beginning, but insane he soon went. But I thank you for reminding me of Caligula :D

heh heh, tls, nice sig. just 2 questions, whoes tojo? and stalin is not an allie? is he?


an idea for a funny rp: JERRY SPRINGER DOES THE WORLD!!! we could have national leaders go on jerry springer. would anyone participate?

DB, check your mail.

an idea for a funny rp: JERRY SPRINGER DOES THE WORLD!!! we could have national leaders go on jerry springer. would anyone participate?

Yes good idea. We all know that several nations are in bed with each other. But what about the affairs....and the homosexual suprise, and the fat half naked leader who thinks she's sexy

No worrys though. The 3rd world will unite and smash the imperalist worms and lower beings. And then only the pure and godlike shall remain on earth

2. Ok, I realised it would be ever-changing :)

3. Aye, no problem. We who focus on Carthage are a rare breed ><

4. Yeah, Nero was good at the beginning, but insane he soon went. But I thank you for reminding me of Caligula :D

Yeah, I don't want to keep my world the same forever- I think that would be boring. Besides, some nations are prime targets for dissolution (Bactria, anyone?)

As for Carthage...you are rare indeed. However, at least Carthage has some localized sources- what we know of the Parthians just comes from the Romans.

...and you're welcome. I think everyone needs to know about that crazy Caligula. :D

I need to go on D13 for 2 weeks.

Yep still waiting for the cable (monday between 11a and 2p they SHOULD be there).

Yeah, I don't want to keep my world the same forever- I think that would be boring. Besides, some nations are prime targets for dissolution (Bactria, anyone?)

As for Carthage...you are rare indeed. However, at least Carthage has some localized sources- what we know of the Parthians just comes from the Romans.

...and you're welcome. I think everyone needs to know about that crazy Caligula. :D


Well, I think Commodus would rank up there as craziest abuser of absolute power. He renamed Rome and the months of the year after himself and his titles, fought as a gladiator (normally a slave's job), was bisexual, etc.

DB, check your mail.
::fell off chair, laughing so hard::


pan, and everyone else: would you want to do it if i hosted it?

Hey RomeW, how is that history think going?

Yeah, I don't want to keep my world the same forever- I think that would be boring. Besides, some nations are prime targets for dissolution (Bactria, anyone?)

As for Carthage...you are rare indeed. However, at least Carthage has some localized sources- what we know of the Parthians just comes from the Romans.

...and you're welcome. I think everyone needs to know about that crazy Caligula. :D

1. Aye =D

2. Well I don't focus just on Carthage, but since I already know alot about ancient history in general(mostly Roman, Greek, Egyptian, and, of course, Carthaginian), I decided to focus on the one I though 1. Was missrepresented, 2. Nobody studied :P, and 3. Nobody really knows(it's as if in 3,000 years no one knows who the Soviets were).

3. Aye.

Hey TLS, I might sell you some pieces of Poland... hehehe... :D

You just might want to keep in mind how long it took me to get that land.

:( sometimes i feel like nobody hear's what i have to say. im going back to sit in my corner. GOOD BY! Humph!

Hey TLS, I might sell you some pieces of Poland... hehehe... :D

You just might want to keep in mind how long it took me to get that land.

It's 20 trillion, buddy! 20 trillion! Not to mention accepting this offer would boost your trade, you will STILL have all areas that are "German"(Some of the provinces you get IRL are mostly Polish, but EII isn't RL, is it :D), and you will stilll have access to the coast.

Not accepting it means armed conflict, a large loss of profit, etc.

I'd take the deal.

Hell, with $20 trillion you could buy those other pieces of Europe you wanted. I'm willing to up it to $15 trillion on my part(up to 25 if RW ever pulls out), so that means up to $30 trillion. That's almost 1/3 of your entire GDP(according the the NS Economy Calculator, the thirdgeek one (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=North+Germania))! Think of what that extra 1/3 could mean! You could tighten your hold on the other parts of Europe that you control(so there is no domino effect, just mindless slaughter :P), boost yer economy even more, etc.

Mindlessly choosing "unleesh t3h n000000ks!" would be st00pid :p.

I wouldn't accept it mainly because:

War is fun!!!!

Logistically speaking, not really!!!!

But the funds made off the land in the long run....

Far better!!!!

Just my thoughts...cough....>_>

And DB: We hears ya! :D

BTW: For anyone who has Rome: Total War, the new Rome Total Realism Mod (version 6.0) is out, and tis awesome. Theres the Bactrians and the Illyrians, and NO SENATE :D! The map is bigger, you can cross the Indus, theres alot more units, etc.

No Britons either, but what DID they ever do?

LINKY!(The download is 200+ Megs, so if you have a bad internet connection I feel sad for you.) (http://www.rometotalrealism.com/)

I wouldn't accept it mainly because:

War is fun!!!!

Logistically speaking, not really!!!!

But the funds made off the land in the long run....

Far better!!!!

Just my thoughts...cough....>_>

That's what the Yelm war is for! If war between NG, Myself, and RomeW, all these alliances will be brought it, and I will be forced to withdraw all of my forces from the alliance(I've probably deployed the most troops and taken the heaviest damage, to tell the truth ><. My country is bleeding to death for you guys, and you respond by commiting genocide? Not smart, buckos.)

And, BTW, it's hard to make funds off of a deadly wasteland, which is glassed, full of poison rivers, devoid of any plant life, and is full of craters. It would take at least a century to recover from devastation on such a scale as I'm pointing out. Think of it as the western front of WWI(I.E., like this (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/Pozieres_view_north_28_August_1916.jpg) picture,) over all of Poland, and a little more.

Many trillions of dollars lost. Many tens of (maybe even hundreds of) millions of lives as well. The ecology of Europe will be TOTALED(acid rain will be a weekly occurance, for example), and some of the greatest farmland in Europe will be lost. Nobody wins, everyone looses.

Remember who you're threatening, and then remember who else you bring into war if you choose to invade me. Assuming you can evenget into the country.

Also, money is not as important as land. It's taken me months and months to create what I've wanted in Europe, and I'm not going to have it bought off.

And threatening to nuke me is a very bad idea. Besides, I already have a surplus of around $40 trillion from a storefront I ran for about 11 months, and then sold for $10 trillion and 40% profit from all sales made by current owner.

Money is not a problem of mine.

Wait a second....

I said I was going to commit genocide?

No....

I didn't see anyone else either, and I'm sure NG whiping out a whole town in Poland and keeping the children alive is NOT exactly Genocide ( The Japanese can take the newly formed orphans btw ).

Also, conventional warfare doesn't destroy land and crop and plant life unless someone decides to nuke.

Because multiple forces could get involved in this conflict if it breaks out into war doesn't mean acidrain will be the end result of a war.

Your keeping NG under pressure and your the one who will cause a war because of your unreasonable demands. Your almost black mailing in a sense. Your clearly, and vogerly if I might add, stating you will declare war on North Germania if he does not sell you land.

And now, you pull Genocide out of no where, and say that the war will have nuking involved.

I would glady sever the heads of many of your troops, and lose hundreds in the process, to help win any war that might ammount out of this conflict.

I stand ready for anything that may happen.

Wait a second....

I said I was going to commit genocide?



Okay correcting my self here:

I see what you meant by " genocide ", you quoting me AND implying Genocide can be quite confusing.

I don't see where the nukes come into play.

I never threatened to nuke anyone. Am I being threatened? What's the deal?

Layarteb: I am officially back from my trips. You can put me back on active.

NG: Looks like things got interesting while I was gone. If you need help you know who's door to knock on.



-Hawdawg

Hawdawg: Want to send some troops over to Poland? Cotland's already got some in Danzig.

Oh yeah, check this out:

North Germania is ranked 1st in the region and 173rd in the world for Highest Police Ratios.

:'(

Pyschotika is ranked 10th in the region and 7,552nd in the world for Highest Police Ratios.

I don't see where the nukes come into play.

I never threatened to nuke anyone. Am I being threatened? What's the deal?

You don't need nukes! Nukes were no where NEAR invented in World War I, and that war completed DESTROYED the western front!

Also, NG has shown that he has little or no care for the Poles, thus meaning that he wouldn't hold back from using weapons that would have a, er, how do I put this...less than good effect on their breathing systems. All these chemicals and what-not that will be released will totally screw up the air. Seriously. Think of it like WWI. But worse.

(And I never said I would use n00ks. Never.)

And Psy, I'm not threatening him because he won't sell me the land(well, I am, but not for that reason). If the Poles stay under his control, he will probably kill off millions of 'em, replace 'em with Germanians, and permanently wipe out Polish culture. If they go under RomeW and My control, they will be made into an Autonomous region(Basically a country within a country, and that would be at least in my territory) where they can flourish and thrive, and the Poles can once again re-make their glorious nation, which was the first country in europe to make a constitution, the first democracy since the Roman Republic, when they controlled more land than any other European nation, where they created vast armies with which they beat back the Barbaric Russians and the collapsing Holy Roman Empire. Where they made scientific discovery's, defended the Church from the Pagan hordes(and then against the other churches), wrote books, and made much business. It shall usher in a new golden age for the Poles.

(I love how this thread mixes OOC: and IC: :D)

Offical Statement by the TechnoCaliphate
"As of now, the TechnoCaliphate shall cease participation in the Allied War against Yelm. Although Layarteb has always been good to us, we have decided that Yelm is no where near as unjust as other members of our Alliance. We hand over the Falkland Islands to Yelm, and we are withdrawing our troops from the war immediatley. We are willing to pay for the damages we caused to Northern Algeria. This message has the approval of the Suffete, the Caliph, the Technocratic Union, and the Grand Duke. If both parties desire, and if peace talks ever happen, we would be more than willing to host them. We send our deepest apologies to Layarteb and the rest of the Alliance, but this war has lead us to the brink, and since we achieved our original goal of freeing Ecuador, we see no point in continuing the war. You may continue your imperialistic landgrab without us."

(Hey, we DID achieve our original goal. We drove Yelm out of Ecuador, and made him pay for it in blood. Continuing the war now would just screw up my economy and greatly weaken my military, not to mention other governments of my country have been overthrown because we were in situations just like this: fighting a war that should have already ended but didn't because of imperialistic ambitions.)

The ONLY reason why the Western Front was destroyed in WWI was only BECAUSE the only weapons used were Chemical and Biological bombs and artillery shells.

WWII was much larger in scale, and the Western Front wasn't close to being destroyed and thats mostly because Hitler wanted to keep the land fertile and liveable for his Reich that ended up being put to death ( Thank God! ).

Germania has never had any plans to kill off the Poles, he only eradicated the one town of Poles because they were starting up a rebellion. Only about 300 died.

Germania will only keep killing who he has to in order to keep his nation together. If you think there is some secret plans to use Nuclear Weapons, Bio and Chemical bombs, and to whipe out human races and replace them with Germanians...your pathetically wrong. If you want to war for some false ideaology, then feel free.

And its your decision to pull out of Yelm, I'm going to push his Naval Forces into submission, demilitarizing zones around the Mainland of Yelm, keep his attitude under control ( ICly basically ), and then pull out. He put himself into this mess.

ADD ON:

You keep confusing everyone just by SAYING nukes.

No one has EVER mentioned nukes.

The only person to have mentioned NUKES was you.

We havn't even mentioned doing anything at all except to prepare a defence for total invasion.

EDIT: I worded something wrong and had a spelling error...>_>

To: The Emperor of Rome
CC: The world community
From: The Emperor of Cotland
Subject: Cecession from the Roman Confederacy


Dear sir,

It is with a great feeling of regret that I write this, however, I feel that there is no other way for the Empire to retain its national integrity. The Empire of Cotland hereby ceceeds from the Roman Confederacy, effective immediately. Worsened relations with other member nations of the alliance have lead us to having to reconsider the reasons for remaining in the alliance, and the conclusion has been that remaining in the Roman Confederacy will be a huge threath against Cottish national security.

It is my hope that the friendship and trading relationship between Rome and Cotland can remain, however Cotland need to free ourselves from the alliance which also house several nations Cotland has worsened relations to, and which pose a clear and present threath to our national security. While Cotland cherish the friendship with several nations in the alliance, I cannot sit idly by and let national security be jeapordized. It is my sincere hope that the friendship between our two nations remain strong even though we're not formally allied. Therefore I would like to invite Rome to sign a Non-Agression Pact with Cotland in Cotlandstad as soon as possible. This is a smaller, but still equally important document that clearly shows that Cotland and Rome remains allies.

Again, allow me to express my regret that it had to come to this, but national security must take presedence over alliances which threathen that national security.


Sincerely,

- Thomas I
Emperor of Cotland

Message to North Germania
cc: Empire of Cotland

Due to the mounting tensions in the Polish Region and the impending threat to our staunch allies, North Germania and Cotland, the Holy Republic of Hawdawg will dispatch a small contengency force to Polish held Germania to monitor the situation. I have authorized the use of Five Mechanized Airborne and Five Infantry Airborne Divisions for the Operation, with more to follow if necessary. Be advised they will arrive in-country in 24 hours, and pending clearance will land and assemble at your AirBase outside of Warsaw.

Sincerely,

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

ADD ON:

You keep confusing everyone just by SAYING nukes.

No one has EVER mentioned nukes.

The only person to have mentioned NUKES was you.

We havn't even mentioned doing anything at all except to prepare a defence for total invasion.

EDIT: I worded something wrong and had a spelling error...>_>

Huh? NG said nukes! Then I said Nukes in response to his saying nukes!

God dangit, now I'm getting confused ><

The ONLY reason why the Western Front was destroyed in WWI was only BECAUSE the only weapons used were Chemical and Biological bombs and artillery shells.

WWII was much larger in scale, and the Western Front wasn't close to being destroyed and thats mostly because Hitler wanted to keep the land fertile and liveable for his Reich that ended up being put to death ( Thank God! ).

Germania has never had any plans to kill off the Poles, he only eradicated the one town of Poles because they were starting up a rebellion. Only about 300 died.

Germania will only keep killing who he has to in order to keep his nation together. If you think there is some secret plans to use Nuclear Weapons, Bio and Chemical bombs, and to whipe out human races and replace them with Germanians...your pathetically wrong. If you want to war for some false ideaology, then feel free.

And its your decision to pull out of Yelm, I'm going to push his Naval Forces into submission, demilitarizing zones around the Mainland of Yelm, keep his attitude under control ( ICly basically ), and then pull out. He put himself into this mess.


1. EXACTLY! I intend to use nothing other than those weapons!(and only the chemical weapons if later)

2. It was also because Hitler overwhelmed the French incredibly quickly :p

3. Erm, it was a few thousand, and did you hear his previous posts? He was willing to wipe out cities to make the Poles stop rebelling. And, did you even see the Krakow part? He demolished an entire area of the city, killing once again thousands.

4. And yes, it is my decision :p

5. This is getting WAAAAY to aggressive OOCly. We need to tone it down a notch. Tis just a game, lads.

6. I like making lists :D

No you havn't seen my aggresive attitude.

Anyways, I don't find it Genocide yet.

Genocide is intentionally rounding them up, putting them into pins and just unloading every last bullet into them untill every last one is gone.

Genocide is not killing a few thousand in result to a rebellion that has begun claiming other lives.

Wow, now I need to watch out once I elevate my Civil War to an actually War..War..

Anyways, lets try to make it a really interesting IC War. No OOC arguements like you said, because 'tis only a game ^_^.

No you havn't seen my aggresive attitude.

Anyways, I don't find it Genocide yet.

Genocide is intentionally rounding them up, putting them into pins and just unloading every last bullet into them untill every last one is gone.

Genocide is not killing a few thousand in result to a rebellion that has begun claiming other lives.

Wow, now I need to watch out once I elevate my Civil War to an actually War..War..

Anyways, lets try to make it a really interesting IC War. No OOC arguements like you said, because 'tis only a game ^_^.

Lol ><

It may not be genocide yet. But the Nazi's didn't start out by sending jews into camps. It began slowly...

Lol, civil wars = t3h badness.

Aye, interesting IC war is what we need. Tis the beginning of a New World Order... or the end of one :p. After all, Cotland has always been an integral member of the Confederacy. Now that he's gone...

Just for the record everyone, I don't mind if I loose. After all, I've had this current regime far too long, and a good ole-fashioned can of whoop-ass upon my nation will gimme an excuse for reforms and stuff.

The ONLY reason why the Western Front was destroyed in WWI was only BECAUSE the only weapons used were Chemical and Biological bombs and artillery shells.

WWII was much larger in scale, and the Western Front wasn't close to being destroyed and thats mostly because Hitler wanted to keep the land fertile and liveable for his Reich that ended up being put to death ( Thank God! ).

Germania has never had any plans to kill off the Poles, he only eradicated the one town of Poles because they were starting up a rebellion. Only about 300 died.

Germania will only keep killing who he has to in order to keep his nation together. If you think there is some secret plans to use Nuclear Weapons, Bio and Chemical bombs, and to whipe out human races and replace them with Germanians...your pathetically wrong. If you want to war for some false ideaology, then feel free.

And its your decision to pull out of Yelm, I'm going to push his Naval Forces into submission, demilitarizing zones around the Mainland of Yelm, keep his attitude under control ( ICly basically ), and then pull out. He put himself into this mess.



Bioweapons were never used in World War I. The reason the land was destroyed was because the same ground was bombarded over and over and over for years, because the conflict was so static. The German campaign on the Western Front was over in a matter of weeks in World War II. The Eastern Front of World War II is a much better comparison, and the primary weapons were tanks and infantry, not artillery and gas. And actually, genocide or deportation followed by replacement by your own ethnicity is very common in history.

Perhaps we could call this Earth II World War II? Funny. It already involves Germany, Italy, and Japan. :D

Funny how E2 and RL history are conforming right now. We have a Geman empire ruling over most of Europe, a Japanese empire as its ally, and a League of Nations that is too weak and apathetic to do anything to defuse a major conflict. Sigh.

Tis the beginning of a New World Order... or the end of one :p. After all, Cotland has always been an integral member of the Confederacy. Now that he's gone...

Just for the record everyone, I don't mind if I loose. After all, I've had this current regime far too long, and a good ole-fashioned can of whoop-ass upon my nation will gimme an excuse for reforms and stuff.

Yep, I've bowed out of the Confederacy (but I still have the option to return later) just in preperations for going to war against you if you attempt to invade NG. After all, I'm formally allied with him through the October Alliance...

And how many regimes does that make for TLS over the past 6 months? Five or six I think. One for each month of the year :D

Kreynoria']Perhaps we could call this Earth II World War II? Funny. It already involves Germany, Italy, and Japan. :D

Earth II WWIII :D

Yep, I've bowed out of the Confederacy (but I still have the option to return later) just in preperations for going to war against you if you attempt to invade NG. After all, I'm formally allied with him through the October Alliance...

And how many regimes does that make for TLS over the past 6 months? Five or six I think. One for each month of the year :D

How did YOU get into the October Alliance? It makes no sense!

And, BTW, he is a member of the confederacy too :D

And I've had this regime for at least 2 months :)

Kreynoria: Yes, I did not mean to say bioweapons LOL.

Also, The Eastern Front was desolate from WWI, so the few thousand craters didn't make too much of a difference. You can recover from craters but rebuilding the land, but you can't recover from chemical weapons. The AMMOUNT of chemical weapons in WWI was too extreme. And yes, Germany used a ton of C-Weapons on there Eastern front too.

Anyways, this is going to be a REAL world war. I didn't get involved with WWI for a reason, I was bussy and to many nations that were hostile twards me then would invade me if I DID get involved.

It would be verry awsome if this turns into a WWII(I)...why would it be a WWIII again? ( If it were, that would be funny. THE END OF HUMANITY ON EII IS COMMING LOL )

Kreynoria: Yes, I did not mean to say bioweapons LOL.

Also, The Eastern Front was desolate from WWI, so the few thousand craters didn't make too much of a difference. You can recover from craters but rebuilding the land, but you can't recover from chemical weapons. The AMMOUNT of chemical weapons in WWI was too extreme. And yes, Germany used a ton of C-Weapons on there Eastern front too.

Anyways, this is going to be a REAL world war. I didn't get involved with WWI for a reason, I was bussy and to many nations that were hostile twards me then would invade me if I DID get involved.

It would be verry awsome if this turns into a WWII(I)...why would it be a WWIII again? ( If it were, that would be funny. THE END OF HUMANITY ON EII IS COMMING LOL )

War with Yelm was World War II. There were at least 3 fronts, I initiated 2 of them :D. And yes, the end of Humanity is coming :p. Or at least the end of Earth II as we know it.

Kreynoria']Funny how E2 and RL history are conforming right now. We have a Geman empire ruling over most of Europe, a Japanese empire as its ally, and a League of Nations that is too weak and apathetic to do anything to defuse a major conflict. Sigh.

Jesus, you are right O_o.

Only Hawdawg would need to join our side(He could regain south England, but he'd rather be a North Germanian puppet it seems), and so would Layarteb late in the war. Of course, I don't think he will join at all(he is isolationist unless it affects him, and this doesn't. Of course, he may pull a Wilson on us and join one side). And Rome would be allies with NG, and Cotland would be it's enemy.

But the basic idea is the same :D

Jesus, you are right O_o.

Only Hawdawg would need to join our side(He could regain south England, but he'd rather be a North Germanian puppet it seems), and so would Layarteb late in the war. Of course, I don't think he will join at all(he is isolationist unless it affects him, and this doesn't. Of course, he may pull a Wilson on us and join one side). And Rome would be allies with NG, and Cotland would be it's enemy.

But the basic idea is the same :D

Southern England was "rewarded" to North Germania for faithful service in eliminating a threat from Kriegorgrad. I also "rewarded" Cotland with a generous land grant in Norway. Being loyal to an ally is very different from being a "puppet". The Holy Republic of Hawdawg is an independent nation, who decides what we will do inside the realm of Earth II. We don't have to have anyone elses permission to strike up an alliance, make war, or anything else. We have a reliable Prime Minister who steers our policy, not a set of talking points from a multi-member council of tired old men.

We have had a long standing friendly relationship with Rome, North Germania, and Cotland and will continue to do so. Our nation wasn't established on this Earth to please anyone but ourselves. We answer to no one and fear only the wrath of the all mighty. My suggestion to the Caliphate is to mind its own business and quit trying to be a fly in the ointment.

"If you must burn our flag, please wrap yourself in it first."

Signed,

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

Kreynoria']Perhaps we could call this Earth II World War II? Funny. It already involves Germany, Italy, and Japan. :D

True, but in this case "Italy" (me) probably won't be on the same side as "Germany" (North Germania) or "Japan" (Psychotika), so it's still a little different. On a different (but not unrelated) point, it looks like the Poles just may start the *real* World War. This could get interesting...

Anyway- and it pains me to write this, but I must- I am considering "retiring" from Earth II after I finish the Polish thread and threads with Yelm and Celtayoshi. My reasoning is that I'm too busy with other areas (NS and otherwise) to keep up my role here. I won't leave completely- like The Island Of Rose did- in case I want to come back. I should also mention that (should the issue come up), technically speaking, my Earth II land isn't my main nation- it's just a colony (it's been this way for a while). I have a Prefect- Cornelius Marcus- which I'll use for Earth II from here on in, so as to properly differentiate it from the main nation (which is NS Earth based).

I should mention that I have nothing against anyone on E2 and I have enjoyed my time here, but I think it's well in its twighlight. May not be completely over yet, so remember that :) .

True, but in this case "Italy" (me) probably won't be on the same side as "Germany" (North Germania) or "Japan" (Psychotika), so it's still a little different. On a different (but not unrelated) point, it looks like the Poles just may start the *real* World War. This could get interesting...

Anyway- and it pains me to write this, but I must- I am considering "retiring" from Earth II after I finish the Polish thread and threads with Yelm and Celtayoshi. My reasoning is that I'm too busy with other areas (NS and otherwise) to keep up my role here. I won't leave completely- like The Island Of Rose did- in case I want to come back. I should also mention that (should the issue come up), technically speaking, my Earth II land isn't my main nation- it's just a colony (it's been this way for a while). I have a Prefect- Cornelius Marcus- which I'll use for Earth II from here on in, so as to properly differentiate it from the main nation (which is NS Earth based).

I should mention that I have nothing against anyone on E2 and I have enjoyed my time here, but I think it's well in its twighlight. May not be completely over yet, so remember that :) .



Er...um...

Crap. I'll be the only major democracy *cry*. But this COULD be good...

What lands are you giving away? Sardinia, maybe? And maybe Corsica? :D

And also, I used to play the way you do, RomeW. But then I found it was far easier for me to play when I had a good idea where and what I was invading. It kinda ruins the moment when I send a fleet of airplanes to bomb the crap out of an enemy coast when seconds before I go there the guy says "Oh, you can't fly there, there are 40,000 foot high mountains with uber cannons in em!"

And also, yer NS nation and EII nations exist in like, parallel universes, maaaaaannn....[/hippie talk]. In the old EII, they didn't really enforce that rule, and all hell broke loose. In the war where I lost ALL my land(I.E. "colonies"), I was directing all this stuff from my NS Nation capital, right? Everyone was confused and were like "WTF?"

Ahhh, the good ole days of the first EII...No one controled entire continents, because if they tried they'd have 30,000 nations invading them :D

SWEET ZOMBIE JESUS!

I just realised NG has a border with my part of Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Pakistan O_o. It looks like the threat is closer to home than I thought.

Southern England was "rewarded" to North Germania for faithful service in eliminating a threat from Kriegorgrad. I also "rewarded" Cotland with a generous land grant in Norway. Being loyal to an ally is very different from being a "puppet". The Holy Republic of Hawdawg is an independent nation, who decides what we will do inside the realm of Earth II. We don't have to have anyone elses permission to strike up an alliance, make war, or anything else. We have a reliable Prime Minister who steers our policy, not a set of talking points from a multi-member council of tired old men.

We have had a long standing friendly relationship with Rome, North Germania, and Cotland and will continue to do so. Our nation wasn't established on this Earth to please anyone but ourselves. We answer to no one and fear only the wrath of the all mighty. My suggestion to the Caliphate is to mind its own business and quit trying to be a fly in the ointment.

"If you must burn our flag, please wrap yourself in it first."

Signed,

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

(see? The mixing of OOC and IC in practice! And you DO know that what I said wasn't a public announcement, so you can't make an offical reply :D.
And where do the tired old men come in? The only tired old man I know is the guy who makes fish n' chips in the Suffete cafeteria :))

How did YOU get into the October Alliance? It makes no sense!

And I've had this regime for at least 2 months :)

Well, somehow someone there wanted me in, and the other members concurred. It isn't likely that anyone else will get in though...

Well, you've had a lot of different regimes in the ten months I've been in E2...

Well, somehow someone there wanted me in, and the other members concurred. It isn't likely that anyone else will get in though...

Well, you've had a lot of different regimes in the ten months I've been in E2...

Yes, alot. But you see, that is nothing compared to my earlier time in NS(I.E. last June). I'd have one regime for a week, then another, then another. In fact, my first leader was Duke Berry, whos named was later changed to Darth Berry(or was it Barry?) Yes, I know, that is sad. However, I have technically had parts of my regime for a LONG time. The Emperor abdicated his throne I think the end of last year, no? And then came the Technocrats, and then the Suffete, and then the Caliphate, and now the Grand Duke. You see, I've kept all of the regimes I've made during the last few months and made them into ONE! So no regime really "fell". I just added on to 'em.

(see? The mixing of OOC and IC in practice! And you DO know that what I said wasn't a public announcement, so you can't make an offical reply :D.
And where do the tired old men come in? The only tired old man I know is the guy who makes fish n' chips in the Suffete cafeteria :))


LOL, wasn't making an "official" statement, if it was it would have said "Official Statement", just making some general comments from a Prime Minister's standpoint.



-Hawdawg

LOL, wasn't making an "official" statement, if it was it would have said "Official Statement", just making some general comments from a Prime Minister's standpoint.



-Hawdawg

Ooooh...

But how would your Prime Minister know what we were saying?

Ahhh...my brain! *boom*

Ooooh...

But how would your Prime Minister know what we were saying?

Ahhh...my brain! *boom*

Magic spies!!!!! :)

Ooooh...

But how would your Prime Minister know what we were saying?

Ahhh...my brain! *boom*

Foreign Policy stances tend to show trends. I can base my comments on your recent activities not on a closed door conversation.


-Hawdawg

How is everybody doing?

How is everybody doing?

Good.

Oooh, war is about to break out between NG(with confirmed allies Pyschotika, Cotland, and Hawdawg) and myself(with confirmed allies RomeW and Pantheaa). Would you like to join a side?

Join us! We have MUFFINS!

Oooh, and we can split NG's Afghanistan! Fo real!

Well, I'm game for a new war. I wanna test out my new tank. Just remember that if anyone tries to invade mainland Cotland (IE the Russian areas), standard defense policy goes out on using tactical thermonuclear warheads against invading units, as shown here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=435511).

Well, I'm game for a new war. I wanna test out my new tank. Just remember that if anyone tries to invade mainland Cotland (IE the Russian areas), standard defense policy goes out on using tactical thermonuclear warheads against invading units, as shown here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=435511).

n00000000000ks?

Dude, we're not trying to blow up the world here!

Plus, I'm the most technologically advanced nation in t3h world! I will pwnz j00 with my uber weapons!

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA!!![/insanity]

But really though, let's try to keep this civilized, mmmkay? Seeing how in real life there is no way to stop a n00k(and there probably won't be one for many decades to come, thereby making it impossible for them to be "blocked" in EII), we'd just have alot of people frying each others cities until a billion people are dead.

(speaking of which, though, what is EII's stance on N00k blockers? We all know they aren't possible, at least not for many decades to come, thus making them future-tech, or at least out of EII's modern/post-modern tech grasp.

Of course, I've seen them used before, so it seems god-modding can extend it's slimy hand to even EII...)

ooc:wow, s*** has hit the fan, lets play in it.

Secret IC:Emperor Stone:So, war has broken out in poland, our options are:

do nothing
help North Germania
Help RomeW

Now, if we do nothing, if anything, we will be hurtinig our selves in the long run, we will lower world opinion about our selves. If we help North Germania, we might get them and their allies to reconsider the defacto state of war they have against us. If we help RomeW, we will most likely get our ass's handed to us. I think that its pretty clear what we must do. Johnson, write up a secret comm to NG, Cotland, Psychotika, Hawdawg, and Layarteb. Ask them if we can be of assistance. Offer them everything available.


IC:

Seceret message to:NG, Cotland, Psychotika, Hawdawg, and Layarteb
Subject:War
News of the Polish War has reached our borders. <stop>
We would like to be of assistance <stop>
(ooc:my millitary is now divided int 7 diferent navys, 10 armys,
5 airforces, 1 SpecOps contingent and my Strategic Rocket Force {SRF})
We could have 6 navys, 8 armys 3 airforces,
the SpecOps Contingent, and our entire SRF available and
on location for the war within 4 days.<Stop>
Please advise<stop>
best wishes from the emperor<stop>

###
comm ends-16:25 7505

n00000000000ks?

Dude, we're not trying to blow up the world here!

Plus, I'm the most technologically advanced nation in t3h world! I will pwnz j00 with my uber weapons!

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA!!![/insanity]

But really though, let's try to keep this civilized, mmmkay? Seeing how in real life there is no way to stop a n00k(and there probably won't be one for many decades to come, thereby making it impossible for them to be "blocked" in EII), we'd just have alot of people frying each others cities until a billion people are dead.

(speaking of which, though, what is EII's stance on N00k blockers? We all know they aren't possible, at least not for many decades to come, thus making them future-tech, or at least out of EII's modern/post-modern tech grasp.

Of course, I've seen them used before, so it seems god-modding can extend it's slimy hand to even EII...)

Dude, ever heard of ABMs? Anti Ballistical Missiles? They exist, and are operational. The US Patriot and AEGIS systems can be used against ballistic missiles in the end stage (IE just before they detonate), and the Israelis have a working system. I think its called Arrow 2 or something. They're MT dude. They're MT. (Myself, I use Layartebian systems....)

True, but in this case "Italy" (me) probably won't be on the same side as "Germany" (North Germania) or "Japan" (Psychotika), so it's still a little different. On a different (but not unrelated) point, it looks like the Poles just may start the *real* World War. This could get interesting...

Anyway- and it pains me to write this, but I must- I am considering "retiring" from Earth II after I finish the Polish thread and threads with Yelm and Celtayoshi. My reasoning is that I'm too busy with other areas (NS and otherwise) to keep up my role here. I won't leave completely- like The Island Of Rose did- in case I want to come back. I should also mention that (should the issue come up), technically speaking, my Earth II land isn't my main nation- it's just a colony (it's been this way for a while). I have a Prefect- Cornelius Marcus- which I'll use for Earth II from here on in, so as to properly differentiate it from the main nation (which is NS Earth based).

I should mention that I have nothing against anyone on E2 and I have enjoyed my time here, but I think it's well in its twighlight. May not be completely over yet, so remember that :) .
::tear tear::
weel miss you man

Dude, ever heard of ABMs? Anti Ballistical Missiles? They exist, and are operational. The US Patriot and AEGIS systems can be used against ballistic missiles in the end stage (IE just before they detonate), and the Israelis have a working system. I think its called Arrow 2 or something. They're MT dude. They're MT. (Myself, I use Layartebian systems....)
the us has something called THAAD. i use something like that, except a little better. if only because of the emp.

also, ICBM's have weak nose cones. a bullet could easily pierce it if it could hit it. shrapnel would make short work of one.

As per the Layarteb Storefront:

MIM-171A Piranha SPECIAL INDIGENOUS PROJECT
Role: Theater Anti-Ballistic Missile
Length: 24.02 ft.
Finspan: 64.00 in.
Diameter: 16.17 in.
Weight: 3,250 lb.
Speed: 6,300 mph
Ceiling: 125 mi
Range: 300 mi
Area Coverage: 70,650 sq. mi
Propulsion: 3 stage rocket design
Warhead: Hit-to-Kill + 200 lb. blast frag
Single-Shot Kill %: 95%
Guidance: Ground Base Radar
Cost: $10M [missile]; $80M [launcher w/ 6 missiles]; $400M [site w/ 4 launchers]
Delivery Time: 1 RL day per 100 sites
Note: Additional missiles must be purchased aside from the 24 that come with the site if you want more than one use. Missiles cannot be built indigenously, ONLY BY THE EMPIRE OF LAYARTEB.

95% capable of destroying all incoming ballastic missiles. For every 100 sent 5 get through.


FYI

-Hawdawg

More similarities to RL WWII. There is a nuclear threat, a supposedly all-dominating tank, and internment camps.

Hmm....

Zhonghua's only formal ally is Pyschotika, so it looks like the Chinese may get dragged in just to support Japan. Alternatively, TLS is a member of the LON, so Zhonghua has an obligation to them too...well, as far as membership of the LON matters these days (or ever did, due to everyone wanting to do their own thing).

Who would like the Chinese to involve themselves on their side? They've been quiet and inscrutable, so they could side with either alliance. If no-one wants our help, then we'll just observe and take note of how everyone conducts their campaigns.

Dude, ever heard of ABMs? Anti Ballistical Missiles? They exist, and are operational. The US Patriot and AEGIS systems can be used against ballistic missiles in the end stage (IE just before they detonate), and the Israelis have a working system. I think its called Arrow 2 or something. They're MT dude. They're MT. (Myself, I use Layartebian systems....)

Dude, then why is everyone afraid of Nuclear war? Sure, they can take down small missiles, but last I checked there is NOTHING to stop a missile from blowing a few cities to bits. A ginormous ICBM, rocketing towards a city with it's titanic load cannot be stopped. Sure, you could stop some of them(around 50 percent), but that still means 5 out of 10 would blast your cities to dust.

Now, there is nothing that can stop EVERY nuclear missile(for example, I see alot of people say "Even though you fired 500 missiles at me, only 3 hit". That is the biggest load of BS I've ever seen).

True, but if you say that you have a ABM system that is 96% accurate, that means that out of 100 nukes, 4 get through. That's not Godmod. The example you gave is. So if someone fires 10 ICBMs, each with 10 MIRVs, that means that if you have a ABM system that is 96% accurate, you get 4 nukes in your cities. And I have a system that is 96% accurate. The Layartebian-made MIM-196. So if I say that only 4 nukes get past, I won't be godmodding. I'm not saying that people should say that their systems are 99.4% accurate. That's not friggin' possible (in MT), but 96% accurate is. I'm ranting now, but I think that among all the confusing statistics, I've made my point. Now, go ask some questions to Captain Walz in the Cairo courtroom!

Dude, then why is everyone afraid of Nuclear war? Sure, they can take down small missiles, but last I checked there is NOTHING to stop a missile from blowing a few cities to bits. A ginormous ICBM, rocketing towards a city with it's titanic load cannot be stopped. Sure, you could stop some of them(around 50 percent), but that still means 5 out of 10 would blast your cities to dust.

Now, there is nothing that can stop EVERY nuclear missile(for example, I see alot of people say "Even though you fired 500 missiles at me, only 3 hit". That is the biggest load of BS I've ever seen).

Well according to information I posted on the Piranaha system supplied by Layarteb (see post above), it has an accuracy rating of 95%. That would mean 25 ICBM's would penerate a defensive grid with the above system, if 500 were fired. Its his system, he wrote the stats so with the information given, I have to go on good faith that it is exactly as represented. Now about not being able to knock everything down, ever heard of double and triple redundeniancy? If one system is good, why not install two, three, or six? The more systems you have, the higher the probability you will be able to eliminate a large majority of the incoming ICBM's. Now I will grant that a few will get through the network of defenses, but only a few not 50%. I am in the process of purchasing 100 of these systems myself and will do just that.

-Hawdawg

Damn sorry about being away for so long again. Im getting out of earth II. so lets make this a great war.... ( cotland and new Jyria)

My time on Earth II has been good I must say...

"Norwegian lands transfered!"

COTLANDSTAD/OSLO/STOCKHOLM (CPR): After high-level discussion between the Empire of Cotland and the Holy Republic of Hawdwag, a deal has been made which transfers the Norwegian provinces of Sør-Trøndelag, Møre & Romsdal, Oppland, Hedmark, Buskerud, Akershus, Oslo, Østfold and Vestfold to the Empire of Cotland for an undisclosed amount of money and some other agreements, which has not been disclosed by neither Cottish nor Hawdawgian officials.

Official Communique
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

"It is with great pride that I transfer Southern Norway to our staunch ally Cotland. We will continue to work towards common goals and closer ties throughout the region."

Signed,

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

BTW TLS have you seen how much border we share in Africa? If hostilities break out between us, the land battle will be HUGE. I also control the Med. Sea with Gibraltar and I have a large Force in the Area to deny your vessels access to the Atlantic. Cotland controls the Suez on the other side. Weigh all these things carefully when planning a war with a close allies of mine.


-Hawdawg

--------------------------

Oh this will be good when it does kick off!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9392459&postcount=5963

Good.

Oooh, war is about to break out between NG(with confirmed allies Pyschotika, Cotland, and Hawdawg) and myself(with confirmed allies RomeW and Pantheaa). Would you like to join a side?

Join us! We have MUFFINS!

Oooh, and we can split NG's Afghanistan! Fo real!

Nah, i am too busy and i still need to revise my military, plus Cotland is my ally.

@Cotland: You got a new tank? Can i see? Oh and do you have aim or msn?

Sorry for the long absence, the cable guy was stupid and couldn't push a doorbell or just didn't want to do the work but it's okay I am up and running at like 8.0 Mbps (just downloaded something at 1.23MB/sec averaged).

I am updating this list from post 5833!!!

Soviet Bloc: Iowa is yours.

Pushka: That figures were with Reptiles' land. You are now off vacation mode.

Squornshelous: No problem the DRC moved to him.

New Jyria: DRC is yours.

The Knight Templars: What lands do you have, who gave you what, everyone ring in. Good to see you back.

Pantheaa: Yes a full order of battle would be much more realistic but doing so could take a very long time. I am still trying to do one for my military. Sadly I have not to this date so it is a lot of work.

RomeW: I am not sure what the whole Massachusetts thing is but if you are cursing their name might I join you? Divide up Mass and turn it into a massive garbage dump with New Jersey for me.

TLS, Elephantum: Just remember the Bill of Rights was written in a church in Pelham, New York also keep in mind the first U.S. Congress met in Federal Hall in New York City.

Kreynoria: Subscriptions help out a lot. I have over 300 threads subscribed to.

Duke Barol: D13 mode off. Actually when I took over whatever state I took over I executed that SOB (LOL).

Neuvo Rica: Sure you are on D13.

Hawdawg: Okay you are off D13. Norway thing done.

TLS: No problem with the withdrawal thing. After Ecuador was freed I gave up my operations as well. The only ones I was doing were all top secret so I am allowed to say I stopped ;). With all those regime addings you must be a beaucratic nightmare.

RomeW: Oh I do hope you stay but yeah if you have to go, go like TIOR and keep something, you know, this way you won't be fully out of it.

Cotland: Norway thing done.

Keep in mind that ABM system is tested in ideal conditions, just like real-life ones. THAAD will be very effective but to what percentage is unknown, it's classified. Keep in mind that is against warheads too...a MIRV will make things very difficult because they deploy a lot of decoys. The key part is ID'ing the decoys, which my systes claim they can do.

Okay so if I forgot anything, let me know.

Welcome back dude. You on AIM?

Welcome back dude. You on AIM?

Yes. See your TGs.

New RP

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=436649

"Parliament reintroduced!"

Layarteb: I can relate to the Cable Guy. Waited for two days for phone company to fix my phone and DSL. Told me I had to be home between the hours of 7am and 7pm. When they didn't show up I call and they say oh never mind we don't need you at home after all the problem was at the central switch station. GRRRR, and they wonder why postal employees go nuts.


-Hawdawg

Layarteb: I can relate to the Cable Guy. Waited for two days for phone company to fix my phone and DSL. Told me I had to be home between the hours of 7am and 7pm. When they didn't show up I call and they say oh never mind we don't need you at home after all the problem was at the central switch station. GRRRR, and they wonder why postal employees go nuts.


-Hawdawg

LOL understood. They said 11a to 2p guy called at like 12:45p and said he would be there in 20 minutes and he was so that worked for me.

I am pulling out all troops from Yelm. I would like to sign an immediate NAP for the time being. Just think of it as a Cease Fire.

RomeW: I am not sure what the whole Massachusetts thing is but if you are cursing their name might I join you? Divide up Mass and turn it into a massive garbage dump with New Jersey for me.

::scowls::

I dare you to find a nicer area than Bergen County and anyone who says they don't like the Jersey Shore is lying.

Also, New Jyria is away again and says he has limited computer access. So, Zeeeland, Cotland, bear with him.

New Link

Holy Republic of Hawdawg purchases production rights on new MBT (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=436803)


-Hawdawg

Well according to information I posted on the Piranaha system supplied by Layarteb (see post above), it has an accuracy rating of 95%. That would mean 25 ICBM's would penerate a defensive grid with the above system, if 500 were fired. Its his system, he wrote the stats so with the information given, I have to go on good faith that it is exactly as represented. Now about not being able to knock everything down, ever heard of double and triple redundeniancy? If one system is good, why not install two, three, or six? The more systems you have, the higher the probability you will be able to eliminate a large majority of the incoming ICBM's. Now I will grant that a few will get through the network of defenses, but only a few not 50%. I am in the process of purchasing 100 of these systems myself and will do just that.

-Hawdawg

Now, I'm not saying there is no way to take down a ICBM. However, there is no sure way to take it down either(and certainly no "95% success rate"). Unless you are willing to, oh...have your entire population not eat for a few years, there is no way you could make an invincible ICBM shield before the year 2020(which is considered the "end" of post-modern tech).

Layarteb: Ahh, but we started the revolution, we are the cradle of liberty, and we managed to keep our capital(*cough* tories pwning New York*cough*). But I am willing to set aside our differences if we can team up on Philly(they claim to be the heart of America. The fiends!)

Hawdawg(this time about the Africa...stuff): Oh sure, you may control those areas(And, by the by, Duke Barol controls half of the Straits of Gibralatar too, so I think we'd have no problem getting through if we stayed on his side :D), but we have the largest city in the world! We are the hub of the Mediterranean. You see, you cannot simply "cut economic ties" with the leading economy in the Mediterranean and expect not to suffer. The RC integrated our economies, and since Neo-Carthage is the largest economic sector in the world...

Let's just say it would be like the world couldn't access it's swiss banks acounts, mmmmmkay? I'd have trillions of dollars in my banks, all deposited by companies from foreign countries, and they wouldn't be able to get them back. Now wouldn't that be sad... :D

Oh, and by the by, I also control South Asia and parts of Saudi Arabia if you didn't notice :p. I could just send my massive fleet of the Red Sea, bombard the Suez Canal into dust(so no one could use it, MWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!), and then that would equal the playing field somewhat, hmmmm?

ALSO, I control the Central Mediterranean. You want to take a fleet from one side to another, you gots to go through me.

Oh shit...now I've realised our countries are too interdependent ><. That's good for the countries that are allied(Yay for me and Rome :D), but bad for those that are not (Looks like somebody just lost a cheap supply of South Asian Textiles. You can't win a war when you have no shirt! :D)

Ohhh god...

look at all the smileys I put...I think I've gone insane O_o...

1. The straits are 8 miles wide at it narrowest point and would be easy to shutdown. You being friendly and all with Duke Barol really wouldn't matter if I shoot 25 AGM-84 Harpoon Block II's at every ship of yours that headed towards the straits from my Gibraltar stronghold. These missiles can be fired via ship, plane, or VLS. Currents in the straits require submarines to leave via the surface so we would see everyone coming. (Info from Nationmaster.com Encyl.)
Pic of Straits (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Image:Strait-of-Gibraltar-from-Gibraltar-Western-Meditteranean-from-west-panorama-Spain-Morocco-STS039_10064173.jpg)
Gibraltar Map (http://www.classbrain.com/art_cr/publish/gibraltar_color_map.shtml)
Harpoon Block II leaving Jet (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/slamf18.jpg)
Harpoon Block II headed to a ship near you (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/harpmd.jpg)


2. True our economies are tied together in Africa. The bulk of my population and military strength is in Finland, Sweden, Norway and England. So yeah severing ties would hurt the Egypt region hard, but my trade with others would more than make up for the slack. I purchased 200 new platform oil wells and have them all in production in the North Sea with my 500 other existing wells. This combined with the oil and textile industries coming online in Indonesia would definitely prop up my economic standing. Plus I run quite a large trade surplus.

3. You might be able to control the central Med. with your Fleet but Air supremacy would be a different matter.

4. I revert back to what I said earlier about the Anti Ballistic Missile system. I am not saying the system is invincible. I purchased it, the stats are what they are, and that is what I will go on. Plus I have oversaturated the countryside with extra Sites just to increase the overall odds a large portion of incoming ordinance will be intercepted. Hey I have a 9 trillion dollar a year budget plus money I didn't spend for over two weeks and two storefront profits that I utilize for weapon systems. So no my people won't starve, they eat quite nicely actually.


-Hawdawg

I have decided to sell my lands, I havent done much with them, and I think the E2 community would be better if they were more actively used.

First come, first serve, but reasonable offers only.

The prices are listed next to the territory, but I am willing to negotiate.

Mexico:
Aguascalientes Province - 943,500,000
Colima Province - 540,680,000
Federal District - 8,591,300,000
Guanajato Province - 4,656,760,000
Guerrero Province - 3,075,080,000
Hidalgo Province - 2,231,390,000
Jalisco Province - 6,321,280,000
México Province - 13,083,360,000
Michoacán Province - 3,979,180,000
Morelos Province - 1,552,880,000
Nuevo León Province - 3,826,240,000
Oaxaca Province - 3,432,180,000
Puebla Province - 5,070,350,000
Querétaro Province - 1,402,010,000
San Luis Potoaí Province - 2,296,360,000
Tlaxacale Province - 961,910,000
Zacatecas Province - 1,351,200,000

Nevada (north) - 10,998,257,000 - RomeW
Oregon - 30,421,399,000 - RomeW
Utah - 20,233,169,000 - RomeW
Washington - 50,894,121,000 - RomeW

Nevada (north) - 10,998,257,000
Oregon - 30,421,399,000
Utah - 20,233,169,000
Washington - 50,894,121,000

I'll take those at those prices.

I'll take those at those prices.
Done deal.

Done deal.

Thank you. :) Now (to indirectly reference TLS' post) the hippies can now get a state... :D

(For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, it's Cascadia (http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia))

Duke Barol: So you don't think TLS and I are capable of protecting you? Wow, that's about as close as anyone can get from declaring war without saying so. Never mind that the two of us practically perfected war (the Punic Wars), or that we invented the catapult. If you want war, you will be sorry you dealt with us.

(No hard feelings DB, but when I read what you said I was taken aback. Don't take what I said the wrong way though)

Layarteb: Well, I had TLS and Elephantum crow about how I put the British in New England in my alternate world, so that's where the Massachussetts thing came from. I did put New York in control of New Jersey if that means anything. :)

As far as the E2 thing is concerned- (1) I haven't left yet and (2) if I do, it will be exactly what TIOR did. What I would keep should be apparaent to all of you :) .

The Lightning Star: Actually, the whole "E2 is just a colony of mine" has been in practice for a while- I've just never formally announced it. I've just done it so as to clear up the confusion that happened in the old E2 (which I was a part of too with Switzerland and Italy- in fact, I also made claims to Yugoslavia and Greece, which Yerffej said I would have if no one else wanted them...).

Also, to be quite honest, most of my non-E2 RP's are either internal ones (the developmental kind) or Manium ones (concerning that fictitious continent I made up well over a year ago), and, aside from the Sicily encounter, I've never been in a *war*. I know, it's wimpish of me, but I don't like how on NS war becomes this grand competition to prove who can bully the rest. That, and I simply don't have a lot of time to RP wars. Having said that, I won't shy away from a war RP if it makes sense- as in, it's a carefully planned out thing that doesn't come as a "surprise" to me OOCly, as well as it being part of a grander "story idea". In other words, I don't like getting involved if the affair is just some random imperialist takeover that has no substance at all. As far as E2 is concerned, I'm simply feeling like "maybe I'm getting a little too attached to things", hence why I am considering a withdrawal.

However, I'm not gone yet, and even if I do, it won't be complete :)

I would like to purchase all of Mexico from IED. I think the grand total is about 66 million for all. My money comes from the Slovakian-Orenberg oblast land exchange in which NG granted me Orenberg Oblast and 30 billion dollars

Mexico:
Aguascalientes Province - 943,500,000
Colima Province - 540,680,000
Federal District - 8,591,300,000
Guanajato Province - 4,656,760,000
Guerrero Province - 3,075,080,000
Hidalgo Province - 2,231,390,000
Jalisco Province - 6,321,280,000
México Province - 13,083,360,000
Michoacán Province - 3,979,180,000
Morelos Province - 1,552,880,000
Nuevo León Province - 3,826,240,000
Oaxaca Province - 3,432,180,000
Puebla Province - 5,070,350,000
Querétaro Province - 1,402,010,000
San Luis Potoaí Province - 2,296,360,000
Tlaxacale Province - 961,910,000
Zacatecas Province - 1,351,200,000

I would like to purchase all of Mexico from IED. I think the grand total is about 66 million for all. My money comes from the Slovakian-Orenberg oblast land exchange in which NG granted me Orenberg Oblast and 30 billion dollars

Mexico:
Aguascalientes Province - 943,500,000
Colima Province - 540,680,000
Federal District - 8,591,300,000
Guanajato Province - 4,656,760,000
Guerrero Province - 3,075,080,000
Hidalgo Province - 2,231,390,000
Jalisco Province - 6,321,280,000
México Province - 13,083,360,000
Michoacán Province - 3,979,180,000
Morelos Province - 1,552,880,000
Nuevo León Province - 3,826,240,000
Oaxaca Province - 3,432,180,000
Puebla Province - 5,070,350,000
Querétaro Province - 1,402,010,000
San Luis Potoaí Province - 2,296,360,000
Tlaxacale Province - 961,910,000
Zacatecas Province - 1,351,200,000


Actually, the total is 63,315,660,000

But I will let you have it for 63 billion even.

I'd like to buy Hidalgo Province (2,231,390,000) for five billion!

Oh yeah, when the workers from WOW! came to install the new cable they did a horrible job and came back what, four times.