NationStates Jolt Archive

I do believe im entitled to a population growth due to my new land expansions. I'll have it up soon, no math for me right now.

We've put a population freeze in effect for the time being.

We've put a population freeze in effect for the time being.

but its not a random population growth. Oh well, i'll just wait till the freeze is over, but so help me I am not going to RP as the least populated nation, especially by over at least 100,000,000 compared to the others. Just notify me when its over.

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Nation-States/LDC/Sea/luna.htm

The Luna CVN is now released to the world, though it is not available for export, yet...

My new flag:

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6025/untitled14nw7.jpg

everyone pretend that this has always been my flag

what would be a good establishment date for the USR? im trying to create a factbook but since we do not have a date for EII I dont know what to put down.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12391703&posted=1#post12391703

Had to get a factbook so heres the basics. I'll construct the rest later.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8648/idcardpg0.jpg

sorry for the long long long long long long long time no activity. I've been active with RL, and the EV war is still going no where. That, and my computer decided to crash on me last week again... so I was without a computer [except for the library ones...] But I will be making some posts today...

Can anyone guess what's next on the list of things to do for Saint Lazare? :D

what would be a good establishment date for the USR? im trying to create a factbook but since we do not have a date for EII I dont know what to put down.

I'd say 2011ish or 12ish, its 2015 on EII right now isn't it?

sorry for the long long long long long long long time no activity. I've been active with RL, and the EV war is still going no where. That, and my computer decided to crash on me last week again... so I was without a computer [except for the library ones...] But I will be making some posts today...

Can anyone guess what's next on the list of things to do for Saint Lazare? :D

Bank statements?

Okay, which is best? Mine or Lays?

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2500/idcardkp2.png

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8648/idcardpg0.jpg

Nice, question how the hell can you claim you're not evil if you have a grim reaper as your national symbol?

I'd say 2011ish or 12ish, its 2015 on EII right now isn't it?

2007 I think.............

Bank statements?

close, but not quite - that's in two weeks.


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Simply because you employ the Grim Reaper as your national emblem does not necessarily equate your state to being evil, unless you presume Death [for which the Grim Reaper is a principal symbol] to be evil as well.

Well thats just in addition to Lay's action, everything adds up to him being evil, just saying having Death as your national symbol doesn't quite portray you as nice and fluffy.

I've (strangely enough) traded Cyprus to Ottoman Khaif in exchange for Gujarat and Rajastan in India. OK should confirm this any moment now...

I've (strangely enough) traded Cyprus to Ottoman Khaif in exchange for Gujarat and Rajastan in India. OK should confirm this any moment now...

Aye, I confirm this exchange.

Woo! I made an ID myself!

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2879/arsbiduseihx5.png

Well thats just in addition to Lay's action, everything adds up to him being evil, just saying having Death as your national symbol doesn't quite portray you as nice and fluffy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grim_Reaper

Death has been personified as a figure or fictional character in mythology and popular culture since the earliest days of storytelling. Because the reality of death has had a substantial influence on the human psyche and the development of civilization as a whole, the personification of Death as a living, sentient entity is a concept that has existed in many societies since the beginning of recorded history. In Western cultures, death is usually shown as a skeletal figure carrying a large scythe, and wearing a midnight black gown with a hood, or sometimes, a white burial shroud.

The Empire is not a nice & fluffy place but having the Grim Reaper doesn't equate with evil, it's far from it.

Woo! I made an ID myself!

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2879/arsbiduseihx5.png

When I get to photoshop I'll redo mine and give it some pizzaz but that is nice.

Yeah, I like PS for stuff like that, I'm still not any good at it, but whatever. One thing I didn't mention, we don't actually have a gov't issued/mandatory ID, the only gov't issued IDs are those issued to government-employees [including military members] and those who don't have driver's licenses but want an ID [IDs are required for travelling abroad amonst other things].

The real ID card is the driver's license, and I'm not about to make one for each individual district in the ARSB but the card design is standardized with the picture on the left and the data chip on the right.

This ID is actually for a government employee in North Dakota [District I] who is also a reserve member of the military [denoted by MIL underneath the identification # which is also the same as their driver's license/common ID #]. Most of the information lies on the data chip as expected.

Meh, nothing interesting is going on...Perhaps it's time for Trensk to take a larger role in the world... *Thinking*

My new flag:

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6025/untitled14nw7.jpg

everyone pretend that this has always been my flag

I have to admit...that bear looks a little too cute for a flag...

His right arm is rather extended...

LOL! It's a nazi bear! ;)

Honestly though. That bear seems to have stolen....no, wait, that's not a battle axe like the one in the Norwegian crest. Nevermind.

His right arm is rather extended...

He looks more to be begging than making a salute.

By the way, the Nazi salute is merely a variation of the Roman salute (http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman salute). So Hitler, in effect, stole from us.

Hey, I've started a Mediterranean Republic Factbook. So far just some vital statistics, but I plan to add to it over time.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12393428

I really want to make an ID card, but none of my photo editing software seems to want to handle Cyrillic fonts.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519799

Just posting this here in case OK forgot.

:)

BTW I am going to rewrite my factbook, Not to happy with it.....

Woo! I made an ID myself!

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2879/arsbiduseihx5.png

Ins't that the RL pic of the president of Slovakia...

where can i make an ID card. I want to make a card of Prime Minister Victor Davion...(Who is Kane from C&C)

Lmfao, Panth, no, its actually the Governor of ND... I needed a reasonable pic and didn't feel like searching so I stole the Governor. Otherwise, unless there's some web-based thing, we had to make them ourselves...

I have to admit...that bear looks a little too cute for a flag...

Thats why the halebard is there to make it more badarse, basically its a coat of arms of the hero city of Yaroslavl (minus the crown) on top of a Russian flag. Makes sense, my nation is based in Siberia, thus the bear.

He looks more to be begging than making a salute.

By the way, the Nazi salute is merely a variation of the Roman salute (http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman salute). So Hitler, in effect, stole from us.

He isn't begging, he is preparing to lower his mighty paw onto the enemies of the motherland with great power, and then use the halebard to hack them into pieces, cook them and eat them. UAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I could have went with this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Coat_of_Arms_of_Moscow.png/210px-Coat_of_Arms_of_Moscow.png

instead of the bear, but thats coat of arms of Moscow and really has nothing to do with my nation that according to my history split off from the other Slavic tribes before the Muscovy took power. This is Saint George slaying the dragon by the way.

He isn't begging, he is preparing to lower his mighty paw onto the enemies of the motherland with great power, and then use the halebard to hack them into pieces, cook them and eat them. UAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I could have went with this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Coat_of_Arms_of_Moscow.png/210px-Coat_of_Arms_of_Moscow.png

instead of the bear, but thats coat of arms of Moscow and really has nothing to do with my nation that according to my history split off from the other Slavic tribes before the Muscovy took power. This is Saint George slaying the dragon by the way.

Well good to hear you split off cause i want my history to be the descendents of the Novgorod Feudal Republic and the Rurikovich dynasty

He isn't begging, he is preparing to lower his mighty paw onto the enemies of the motherland with great power, and then use the halebard to hack them into pieces, cook them and eat them. UAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I could have went with this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Coat_of_Arms_of_Moscow.png/210px-Coat_of_Arms_of_Moscow.png

instead of the bear, but thats coat of arms of Moscow and really has nothing to do with my nation that according to my history split off from the other Slavic tribes before the Muscovy took power. This is Saint George slaying the dragon by the way.

I would have went with Saint George. Looks more ferocious.

I would have went with Saint George. Looks more ferocious.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/MKap/Coat_of_arms_of_Serbia_and_Monteneg.png
My coat of arms

I could really use a coat of arms but I don't have one :(.

Well good to hear you split off cause i want my history to be the descendents of the Novgorod Feudal Republic and the Rurikovich dynasty

As long as im the only real Russian nation (and I am, atleast by the fact that I speak Russian thus can make my characters speak it) I don't give a damn.

I would have went with Saint George. Looks more ferocious.

Nah fuck Moscow, people there are pricks, I was one of them for 3 years of my life. The bear looks fine from what I can see, plus it makes more sense since for the last 120 years my nation was communist thus atheist. Now its a democracy with freedom of religion and all but as in the real Russian Federation most people are still atheist.

Some 52.47% of the populace belongs to the pagan religion, 30.21% are Roman Catholic, mostly in the Hispanic regions of the Empire, 5.02% are Christian, 0.73% are Jewish, 0.25% are Muslim, and 0.62% are not listed. Agnostics make up 8.20% of the populace and atheists make up the remaining 2.5%.

Statistics for religion in the Empire. Yes, we're majority pagan :).


Pagan: 668,992,500.00
Roman Catholic: 385,177,500.00
Agnostic: 104,550,000.00
Christian: 64,005,000.00
Atheist: 31,875,000.00
Jewish: 9,307,500.00
Not Listed (Other) 7,905,000.00
Muslim: 3,187,500.00


A population talley.

Meh. I'll stick with the Norwegian lion (symbol of the royal powers) that we've had since the 1100s. It's just completely kickass, with a axe and crown and all...

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1899/nationalbannerkt5.png

"Ahem," began the unsmiling youth. "In this time of war against Osama bin Laden and the oppressive Taliban regime, we are thankful that OUR leader isn't the spoiled son of a powerful politician from a wealthy oil family who is supported by religious fundamentalists, operates through clandestine organizations, has no respect for the democratic electoral process, bombs innocents, and uses war to deny people their civil liberties. Amen."

That was from a boondocks comic strip that came out in 2001. Have fun with that.

OBL and his family got rich from construction in Saudi Arabia. His father was not a politician and his family had nothing to do with oil. And if you knew anything about the President you'd know he hated his father and privelege, one of a number of reasons he was driven to alcoholism. He has also never bombed innocents, never undermined civil liberties and does have respect for the democratic process.
You wouldn't know anything about politicians that do those things, whereas here in Northern Ireland they are regularly elected into office to represent us nationally and locally, the leaders and members of the two biggest political parties here are both terrorists who have killed many people. So don't talk about shit you haven't a clue about.

So yeah I had fun debunking that liberal shit.

OBL and his family got rich from construction in Saudi Arabia. His father was not a politician and his family had nothing to do with oil. And if you knew anything about the President you'd know he hated his father and privelege, one of a number of reasons he was driven to alcoholism. He has also never bombed innocents, never undermined civil liberties and does have respect for the democratic process.
You wouldn't know anything about politicians that do those things, whereas here in Northern Ireland they are regularly elected into office to represent us nationally and locally, the leaders and members of the two biggest political parties here are both terrorists who have killed many people. So don't talk about shit you haven't a clue about.

So yeah I had fun debunking that liberal shit.

Wait a second you're talking about Bush? Never bombed innocents? Many innocent civilians who died in Baghdad in particular and in Iraq in general would disagree, but wait they can't. they're dead, they're families still would disagree though I'd imagine. Never undermined civil liberties? Patriot act? Need I say more? Respects the democratic process? The people elected Al Gore in 2000 (you know the popular vote, the one that the people influence, the one that should matter most and is the only one that is democratic, the electoral college is not democratic its oligarchial) yet Bush has been the president (one of the worst in history at that) for the past almost 7 years.

And I had fun debunking that conservative bullshit. Hirgy I knew many people like you in the course of my life, for some reason you guys are focused on making excuses and bending reality so the President's name is clear no matter how much he fucks up in the real world for you he is only inches short of the messiah. Thats blind faith.

Dude, we been over this many times. No point in going there again.

You said you debunked Panth's statement and I said you haven't for obvious reasons that your claims do not have any factual information in support of them while the simple truth of what me and Panth (and many, many others) are saying is right out there, based on simple logic and events that really happened. Meh...blind faith is blind faith, no point in trying its irreversible unless you yourself decide to throw it away.

You guys know where I can buy a good, conventionally powered Supercarrier (80-100 aircraft)? Practically every carrier on NS is nuclear-powered and the few ones with conventional engines are usually light carriers. I'd make a new one but there's no use creating a whole new design for a single ship and I don't know much about naval parts and engines.

You guys know where I can buy a good, conventionally powered Supercarrier (80-100 aircraft)? Practically every carrier on NS is nuclear-powered and the few ones with conventional engines are usually light carriers. I'd make a new one but there's no use creating a whole new design for a single ship and I don't know much about naval parts and engines.

You should use a JFK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_John_F._Kennedy_(CV-67)) or something like that if you want conventional. The nice thing with nuclear is that you don't have to worry about having a crapload of oilers following your carrier all the time to refuel it at regular intervals (once a week during peacetime operations I think it is, more when during conflict).

OOC: ORBAT will be up soon, as will the official response to puskha, been VERY busy

Dude, you're in fucking high school, how busy can you be?

Pantheaa has a new national motto....better hope you paid attention in latin class

Oderint Dum Metuant

"Let them hate, as long as they fear"

The Layartebian Defense Corporation, Export Division, is pleased to announce that it will be exporting a new, conventional or nuclear powered supercarrier. Information on these two types can be located:

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Nation-States/LDC/Sea/hermes.htm

Pantheaa has a new national motto....better hope you paid attention in latin class

Oderint Dum Metuant

"Let them hate, as long as they fear"

Eh....eh....no comment.

Lay you can take Слава Федерации! off the board, Im done with it, my lands in Mexico are now under my control, expect a post in the war on drugs soon.

You said you debunked Panth's statement and I said you haven't for obvious reasons that your claims do not have any factual information in support of them while the simple truth of what me and Panth (and many, many others) are saying is right out there, based on simple logic and events that really happened. Meh...blind faith is blind faith, no point in trying its irreversible unless you yourself decide to throw it away.

I don't have blind faith in anyone, I just have a differing opinion to you.

Dude, you're in fucking high school, how busy can you be?

I have the most demanding course possible, i am doing Lifeguard training (passed the NPLQ, now its theory for my Open water), i do CCF and end up teaching Year 9s to shoot, teach them RAFR Infantry Tactics, general fieldcraft, i teach Lifesaving stuff, i am curently doing numerous other computer related activities, all in all im pretty busy.

CCF? Combined Cadet Forces? Thats England, its JROTC in the US, you from England Spizania?

(I also did Lifeguard Training a while back, its pretty demanding.)

yes, Combined Cadet Forces, and i am indeed English

I don't have blind faith in anyone, I just have a differing opinion to you.

Well you are ignoring facts and making up your own so Bush would seem clean thats one of the symptoms of blind faith.

You don't like bush we get it.

Well obviously you don't, can you see the difference in my position and Hirgy's? We are basically talking about the same things expect he says that nothing ever happened and I stay the fact that it did.

Fuck can't find any of my previous posts in the war against drugs, meh, don't remember the name of the Boss's right hand.

I have the most demanding course possible, i am doing Lifeguard training (passed the NPLQ, now its theory for my Open water), i do CCF and end up teaching Year 9s to shoot, teach them RAFR Infantry Tactics, general fieldcraft, i teach Lifesaving stuff, i am curently doing numerous other computer related activities, all in all im pretty busy.

Give Spiz a break

TOA ended up attacking me when i was in the middle of exam week in college so i wanted to quit due to the stress. But yeah give the kid a break

Hey Spiz, which CCF? I was in an Army Section for a while.

I stand behind opposing facts, Pushka. Simple as that. I don't go on blind faith.

bah, get away from me pongo.... j/k
Im in the smerfs, ie. Royal Air Force Section of my school's CCF.

Official Announcement
The Confederate States of Spizania hereby surrenders sovereignty of Baker Island, as of Midnight tonight, to the Nation of Puskha, we would like to request that time and access to the island be given so that we may remove both military hardware stored at that base, and to allow us to recover our dead for honourable burial in the ways of our people.

Response from Russian Federation

We will allow you to remove your personnel dead or alive as well as your machinery from the island.

I stand behind opposing facts, Pushka. Simple as that. I don't go on blind faith.

Jesus Christ, how the hell is you saying that Bush never bombed anyone innocent a fact? Reality of things is he did. How is you saying Bush respects democracy a fact? He won in 2000 by a fluke democratically he was not supposed to win Florida because Florida people DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM.

Ah Spiz, your in the riff-RAF eh? Can't march, can't shoot...can't do shit! Or so the saying goes ;). They still issue you those scratchy pullovers? (What rank are you by the way?)

Pushka, the President did not bomb anyone innocent, not personally and nor did he order it. Innocent civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan were the results of collateral damage. He respects democracy because he stands in elections and respects the system. The Supreme Court made the decision in 2000, not Bush. Plus he won clearly in 2004, so 2000 thus becomes a moot point. Many people in Florida did vote for him aswell. The above is all facts, and Lay and others who dislike the President, would I'm sure still corroborate them.

Also, Putin has killed his own fair share of civilians by the same reckoning you claim President Bush has.
I get the fact you don't like President Bush, just accept that some people still do. Do we really need to keep debating this? Its like driving in circles.

OOC: Hirgy, at our school tis the other way around, the army is the rubbish one, they cant shoot for hell, they cant march at all, and they cant do fieldcraft, there SNCOs are awful too.
Yes they still issue those horrible pullovers, and im actually a running joke in the section, im still a Cadet in Year 12, despite having scored better on the Part III test that the Sergeants in charge of the section, but i dont really want to be promoted, cause that just gets you tonnes of responsibilities at our school, but hell, i enjoy it even without any stripes.

Jesus Christ, how the hell is you saying that Bush never bombed anyone innocent a fact? Reality of things is he did. How is you saying Bush respects democracy a fact? He won in 2000 by a fluke democratically he was not supposed to win Florida because Florida people DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM.

*sigh*

Both of you are being silly now, but I really have to comment on this.

No, it isn't a solid fact that Bush has bombed innocents. Honestly, it depends on which innocents. IE, if you mean 9/11 or either of the two wars in the War on Terrorism. However, technically Bush has bombed innocents. A hell of a lot of innocents, however you can not say that there is a solid fact that he has. One - If you mean his arguable service in the United States Air Force during the War in Vietnam, you can not state it is fact nor fiction for he may never open up or there just isn't any documentation on him doing so. Two - In the event of both wars in the War on Terror, I never re-call him ever signing a paper that has been openly and publically adressed to the world as "Operation - Lets kill some Innocent Muslims." Unless a man of higher prestige walks out with a box that contains some document which would be used as a way to mark Bush as a War Criminal, due to such other technicalities such as a signature, then it will remain such as a thing of...

Technical issues.

In other words - There is no justifiable way of saying Bush has a direct link to bombing innocents, there is in-conclusive evidence to say so. Yet, even if he did, who dares open Pandora's Box? I mean to offend no one, even you, however...

Have we, and you, all forgotten the point in Government? Even a Democratic Government, there will never be purity. The point in Government, ESPECIALLY a Democratic Government, is that we be protected from the truth. Be it that Space Aliens exist and farmers have been secretly battling for control of America's livestock, or that Bush authorized "Find a reason to fuck world stability", the Government's justified job is to keep is from knowing. Because all it will ever do will cause more instability, perhaps even a chaotic move towards Liberal Anarchy. Not the good type of Liberal Anarchy, either. Nothing progressive, unless you call a fiery and weakeningly poor state progressive.

Oh and so you don't light a torch about what I just said -

No, trust me, America's economy could be much more worst.

As for Florida -

It is a sad thing that no one will ever truely know about, because it will forever be in one of those Vaults that stay locked for a very...very...very long time.

So, the bottom line is this -

Bush-support and hater alike, put down your arguments. Put down your torches, because all you will ever do is tear apart our nation. My nation, and trust me...I fully believe in to die on my feet than to live on my knees, however for the time being...there is just nothing you really can ever do about it. So the PS behind the bottom line is -

Find common ground, and shut up.

Vielen Dank.

*sigh*

Both of you are being silly now, but I really have to comment on this.

No, it isn't a solid fact that Bush has bombed innocents. Honestly, it depends on which innocents. IE, if you mean 9/11 or either of the two wars in the War on Terrorism. However, technically Bush has bombed innocents. A hell of a lot of innocents, however you can not say that there is a solid fact that he has. One - If you mean his arguable service in the United States Air Force during the War in Vietnam, you can not state it is fact nor fiction for he may never open up or there just isn't any documentation on him doing so. Two - In the event of both wars in the War on Terror, I never re-call him ever signing a paper that has been openly and publically adressed to the world as "Operation - Lets kill some Innocent Muslims." Unless a man of higher prestige walks out with a box that contains some document which would be used as a way to mark Bush as a War Criminal, due to such other technicalities such as a signature, then it will remain such as a thing of...

Technical issues.


In other words - There is no justifiable way of saying Bush has a direct link to bombing innocents, there is in-conclusive evidence to say so. Yet, even if he did, who dares open Pandora's Box? I mean to offend no one, even you, however...

Eh...well a leader of a government I believe should bear responsibility for the actions of those acting on his orders. Its like this, what if Hitler said that he didn't burn the Jews, the SS burned the Jews, you think that would fly?


Have we, and you, all forgotten the point in Government? Even a Democratic Government, there will never be purity. The point in Government, ESPECIALLY a Democratic Government, is that we be protected from the truth. Be it that Space Aliens exist and farmers have been secretly battling for control of America's livestock, or that Bush authorized "Find a reason to fuck world stability", the Government's justified job is to keep is from knowing. Because all it will ever do will cause more instability, perhaps even a chaotic move towards Liberal Anarchy. Not the good type of Liberal Anarchy, either. Nothing progressive, unless you call a fiery and weakeningly poor state progressive.

US is not a democracy, its an oligarchy. People don't elect their representatives the Electoral College does and as was shown in 2000 Electoral College has the power to go against the wishes of the people. Hirgy and you will probably say that it doesn't happen often, to which I would reply: A democracy is either always a democracy or never a democracy, US having a democracy 99% of the time isn't going to work.

Oh and so you don't light a torch about what I just said -

No, trust me, America's economy could be much more worst.

As for Florida -

It is a sad thing that no one will ever truely know about, because it will forever be in one of those Vaults that stay locked for a very...very...very long time.

So, the bottom line is this -

Bush-support and hater alike, put down your arguments. Put down your torches, because all you will ever do is tear apart our nation. My nation, and trust me...I fully believe in to die on my feet than to live on my knees, however for the time being...there is just nothing you really can ever do about it. So the PS behind the bottom line is -

Find common ground, and shut up.

Vielen Dank.

Well I live in US but am not a citizen so I can't really do much, neither can Hirgy who is all the way in Ireland, so I don't really see how we will tear apart your nation. However something must be done to fix this endless stream of bullshit thats coming out of the White House. They fuck up on a daily basis and their excuses get more and more ridiculous by the minute, I would have laughed if they weren't being serious.

Meh. I say shoot all politicians and leave me in charge as Imperator, no questions asked....;)

Pyschotika...well put my friend, well put. I love America as much as I love my own country, and I agree with your setiment. So...eating my keyboard!

As for Spiz...your riff-RAF rounstabout! Its kinda weird now where I used to go to school, my bro still goes so I know whats going on and it seems the riff-raf are doing more of the army stuff than the damn army section. Kinda strange, coz when I was in it was like all the riff did was visit RAF bases, do tests, fly gliders, drink tea, get up late when at a base and watch Top Gun!

We do all those things, and about ten times as much shooting as the army section, there are year tens in the army that have yet to go shooting, and a couple that havent even passed the L98 weapon handling test.

Shit, that ain't good. The school based Cadet's just don't compare to the ACF's etc, they were always much more keyed up. I remember one time doing a day of patrol manouvres down at a base and we had no uniforms issued and no weapons, only the NCO's had uniforms. It was pathetic. The riff always seemed to do better stuff, like actual hands on fun stuff like flying etc. You flown anything yourself?

Spiz they train you to shoot more than they train the army? That doesn't seem to be making much sense, the army is the one who has to shoot guns in combat, you air force guys press a button and the enemy goes boom. So I hear they're sending your prince in Iraq, how is UK feeling about that? Saw your queen once, old lady, wears a big hat, I was lucky too there was some sort of a not parade but eh...in the middle of London than I was switching planes and had 6 hours to wait, I took a cub ride into the city, walked around a bit, walked through some park saw a bunch of people gathered around some gate and wondering what the hell are they doing decided to join them. Than a bunch of people road out on a carriage and the announcer guy said that one of them was the queen of England. I was like, alright cool, this doesn't happen everyday. Meh anyways, UK seems nice, I can see why all rich Russian people move there.

Come medio 2009, I'm dressing up in the RNoAF camo with the blue beret myself so... Go Air Force!

From: Russian Federation
To: Spizania
Topic: Ultimatum

We are glad to hear that you have come to your senses disarmed your nuclear arsenal and surrendered the island of Baker into our possession. However two things still remain in the way of end of this war. As such we give you our ultimatum. You will pay for the damages caused to our satellites and you will pay a compensation fee to each Russian family who lost a son or daughter in this conflict. If you oblige there will be peace, if not Im sure you have already spotted our sizable fleet heading for your capitol. The choice is yours.

Igor Stepanov,
President of Russian Federation

Come medio 2009, I'm dressing up in the RNoAF camo with the blue beret myself so... Go Air Force!

Meh, button pushing snobs, a foot soldier is, was and will always be the backbone of every military. Unless you're a paratrooper than I still don't like you, but atleast I respect you. (Had a bad experience.)

Meh, button pushing snobs, a foot soldier is, was and will always be the backbone of every military. Unless you're a paratrooper than I still don't like you, but atleast I respect you. (Had a bad experience.)

Heh. There's more to being in the Air Force than just sitting in a cozy command vehicle, pressing the buttons that fire the NASAMS II battery's AMRAAMs. No, we've got base protection (you know, the people running around in the woods with weapons just like infantry, defending the airbase?), close air defense (you try sitting perfectly still, exposed to the elements, on a RBS-70 or 40mm Bofors for 8 hours in the middle of the Norwegian winter!), sitting at the RADAR screens..... okay, I see your point. Anyway, there's more to being in the Air Force than just pushing buttons. I might even get to fly in planes (Herc) or helicopters (Sea King or Bell 212) :)

I gotta agree with Pushka, our attitude in the cadets toward the RAF was frosty at best, they got the best billets, food and home comforts, whereas we got all the crap...5am waking (once with some fucker on bagpipes!), cold rooms, ill-fitting clothes etc. I reckon things have changed now though, seems the RAF are more popular and do a lot of the stuff the Army do, there was a bigger divide between the two arms years ago.

Eh...well a leader of a government I believe should bear responsibility for the actions of those acting on his orders. Its like this, what if Hitler said that he didn't burn the Jews, the SS burned the Jews, you think that would fly?

No, it wouldn't. Sadly, in many ways I only view Bush as a puppet almost. I'm not a crackpot who says Cheney is the master mind 100% fully all the way, but I'm not also saying Bush hasn't made a damn decision either. This point is almost 'moot' being as we are not asking if Bush should 'apologize' for his actions, we are talking about if Bush has orderd our own Final Solution.


US is not a democracy, its an oligarchy. People don't elect their representatives the Electoral College does and as was shown in 2000 Electoral College has the power to go against the wishes of the people. Hirgy and you will probably say that it doesn't happen often, to which I would reply: A democracy is either always a democracy or never a democracy, US having a democracy 99% of the time isn't going to work.

No, it is far from that. To the contrary, it isn't even a Republic. It's a Oligarchic Republic. Those who wish to see a man elected, has money and status, get to elect. Thus the EC, Electoral College. A Democracy is where every abled bodied man, woman and child are allowed to decide everything that bitch slaps their Nation. Which also makes me think of this -

I'd like to see every person who gives a damn as much as you and I and Hirg to stand up and try to run a nation, a real one and not a fake one. As well, no I have never doubted the uselessness in the Popular Vote. The Popular Vote is basically the "Who is more popular" not the "Ultimate Decider". Hell, look at the name " 'Electorate' College". There ya go my Russian friend.

Well I live in US but am not a citizen so I can't really do much, neither can Hirgy who is all the way in Ireland, so I don't really see how we will tear apart your nation. However something must be done to fix this endless stream of bullshit thats coming out of the White House. They fuck up on a daily basis and their excuses get more and more ridiculous by the minute, I would have laughed if they weren't being serious.

I guess I can't be metaphorical and get away with out any criticism, now can I :-D? No, you and Hirg will not do a scracth to my nation, to America, but the Liberals and the Conservatives, the Socialists and the Libertarianist Republicans, the Dems and the Reps are going too. The Media, which it self is a Corporate Conglomerate of ass holes as well, is going too. Focus on arguments, and then on the Holy City of America..LA..is going too.

I wheep for my countrymen, because they are blind. Hell, you and I and hirg and everyone in this world is blinded. We all can not say for which may be exact and which may not. So I believe discussing over who is right is no better than trying to initiate the Global Dick Contest. Honestly, I just don't see the point to really argue anymore. I could go up to the White House and hold up a sign - "Dictator lives here" or "I love Bush" and it won't make a difference. I'll get some fingers, honks, and the earlier one will result in a swift removal and my arrival into an overnight visit to D.C.'s finest prisons.

I don't want to escalate this any further, but I know that by posting this I take that very risk. I wish not to impede on your values, nor do I wish for you to do the same to Hirg's or my own. Yet, to claim we will say something indulgently is no different than to accuse my mother of being a common whore. So, please, try not to be Grandfather Wise and predict our future posts on this standing.

*Cold so latter bit seems a bit strange probably...*

IN OTHER NEWS

How about EII'ers decide to go 'Alt', as in not let it really harm us and just see how interesting it could be, and have something similar to a Zombie scenario? I've been reading World War Z, very realistic and entertaining book. I'd like to see if anyone would hold a positive opinion towards this, for it's a very vage and broad suggestion so I'm sure I'll be asked to elaborate but for now...I'm shivering, damn cold. So yea...

I gotta agree with Pushka, our attitude in the cadets toward the RAF was frosty at best, they got the best billets, food and home comforts, whereas we got all the crap...5am waking (once with some fucker on bagpipes!), cold rooms, ill-fitting clothes etc. I reckon things have changed now though, seems the RAF are more popular and do a lot of the stuff the Army do, there was a bigger divide between the two arms years ago.

Soon, we'll start seeing the "Your-nation's Suffixs' Air Force Ground Troop Corps" and soon there'll be no army >>.

( Of course, this is a joke. )

So, what about Paratroopers? I was confused by your statement, Pushka.

Guys, guys, guys, enough...offsite...

Bush won legally by the letter of the Constitution and the law, regardless of the fact that he lost the popular vote, tough, it's happened three times in history total in the US, so it isn't exactly something new. Get over it and move on, he's out in 2008...Of course Bush never bombed innocents and I doubt he ever actually ordered innocent civilians to be killed either...he's an ass but he isn't the hellspawn of Satan either. It is called collateral damage and guess what, it happens in EVERY WAR, so once again get over it...go offsite...enough

IN OTHER NEWS

How about EII'ers decide to go 'Alt', as in not let it really harm us and just see how interesting it could be, and have something similar to a Zombie scenario? I've been reading World War Z, very realistic and entertaining book. I'd like to see if anyone would hold a positive opinion towards this, for it's a very vage and broad suggestion so I'm sure I'll be asked to elaborate but for now...I'm shivering, damn cold. So yea...

We could certainly do that off-site if you really want or some sort of alt-world here too. Nobody's telling you what you can or can't RP or where you can or can't RP it...If you want to go ahead and do an RP like that, cool I'll participate in it in some fashion but can you devote the necessary time to it? That's a crucial part of running an RP as such.

I gotta agree with Pushka, our attitude in the cadets toward the RAF was frosty at best, they got the best billets, food and home comforts, whereas we got all the crap...5am waking (once with some fucker on bagpipes!), cold rooms, ill-fitting clothes etc. I reckon things have changed now though, seems the RAF are more popular and do a lot of the stuff the Army do, there was a bigger divide between the two arms years ago.

Meh, button pushing snobs, a foot soldier is, was and will always be the backbone of every military. Unless you're a paratrooper than I still don't like you, but atleast I respect you. (Had a bad experience.)

Just remember though, those button pushing guys are there to keep the bad guys off you when you're outnumbered 20:1 and the artillery is too far away nor can it move fast enough...Foot soldiers may be the toughest guys around but even they need a little help every now and then..

In other, IC news:

The Empire is officially returning to REDCON 4 due to the cessation of hostilities in the Pacific.

...i'll simplify this post.

1. Air force. (Necessary for air support duties, but we had gone through other wars with little air cover such as WWI. And in WWII air cover was stronge but not for the common infantry more for the strategic destruction.)

2. Infantry (Eh, fuck the regulars. Damn US army regulars and national guardsmen get credit for Marine doings. Fuck the regulars and guardsmen, the true hero's and true roughnecks are the marines who go through tough ass training and do the bulk of the fighting. But im an American so this is my idea of military, I dont know how Europeans militaries run if any different except that I know the French Foreign Legions are pretty badass for a French military outfit.)

3. Well, there was no 3 I just wanted to make it a three part list...

US Marines are like Russian VDV (paratroops), cocky sons of bitches, I respect them they do get the job done and they deserve to have the attitude (unlike say air force chumps) but still for most part they are pricks. And don't you fucking discredit the regulars, hell we go everywhere and do everything with half the training and half the equipment the marines/VDV got. VDV gets a BMD-3, we get a half fucked up army truck and we still do the same job.

Shit, that ain't good. The school based Cadet's just don't compare to the ACF's etc, they were always much more keyed up. I remember one time doing a day of patrol manouvres down at a base and we had no uniforms issued and no weapons, only the NCO's had uniforms. It was pathetic. The riff always seemed to do better stuff, like actual hands on fun stuff like flying etc. You flown anything yourself?

The ACFs around where i live are twits, as are the ATC, they send there SNCOs to do weapons training with us, since we are the only ones in the area with an armoury, thats why we always provide the honour guard for the rememberance day parade, what with the stupidly posh uniforms and stripped down L98s.
That uniform thing sounds ridiculous, but then we have good liason officers, who give us tonnes and tonnes of Soldier-95s, and now some Soldier-2000s with the rankslides on the back aswell, so the sniper can see who the officers are more easily.
Spiz they train you to shoot more than they train the army? That doesn't seem to be making much sense, the army is the one who has to shoot guns in combat, you air force guys press a button and the enemy goes boom.
Its mainly because our section is waaaaaaaaay smaller than the army one at the school, and we have a really good section commander, a retired fairy who worked on the Vulcans for twenty years, he gets us tonnes of stuff, and loads of people have No8 .22 Rifle Marksmen badges, since one trip when the school prevented half the people going, the rest of us ended up shooting 70 rounds in a 25 round qualification test, cause "handing them back means paperwork, here have fun".

Yes, i have an hour and a half logged, i would have way more, but i havent gone flying in the past two years, it aint worth it, you sit around in those itchy blues uniforms watching Black Hawk Down and Kill Bill all day for half an hour in the air

US Marines are like Russian VDV (paratroops), cocky sons of bitches, I respect them they do get the job done and they deserve to have the attitude (unlike say air force chumps) but still for most part they are pricks. And don't you fucking discredit the regulars, hell we go everywhere and do everything with half the training and half the equipment the marines/VDV got. VDV gets a BMD-3, we get a half fucked up army truck and we still do the same job.

Well im not discrediting the regulars...ok well so I am, but still I do respect them in a way. Its just when you talk to an army regular they act like they owned the hell out of that country, like they were the initial invasionary force. But I do respect them because it seems more and more of them are getting hit by the IED's rather then the Marines who are starting to get a little pampered.

Either way I plan to become one of those cocky pricks after college. I talked to an army recruiter and he just seemed pathetic, someone who talks as much as he did about the war and such and yet he had yet to go over and do a tour and instead was staying back to recruit soldiers to do the tours while the Marine recruiter I talked to had been in Iraq and had fought a full tour and was expecting another one within the year ('06) dont know if he did or not cause I decided not to go after high school and instead after college.

No armory at our school, it was in the centre of Belfast, so no way they'd let us. Plus we couldn't drill in uniform because the school yards were overlooked by flats in Republican areas that could have been used by the IRA to shoot at us, highly unlikely when I was going there, but in the past I suppose it would have been a real concern. Plus we had a crap liason officer, some country guy nicknamed 'Rottweiler', a real laconic idiot. Would not have liked to have been around him when the shit went down, probably would have pissed himself. No wonder he was doing Cadet stuff. I left the Cadets after people started getting drunk and smoking weed during the training weekends, it was pathetic. A friggin riot broke out once between us and these other school Army cadets, my friend and I just sat through it on our bunks, the whole place was being torn down around us. That was it for me. I heard recently some NCO's got busted for this hazing shit called 'olympic press-ups', the bastards made these 12 year olds do it, took photos and then posted them on the net. Sick fucks. Then again, thats the new British Army for you.

I came up with a quote a few days ago that aptly describes the experience of being at war, and I've decided to use it in "The Winter War". Aptly describes the story. I figured I'd share it with you all:

"How do you win a war with someone who doesn’t play by the rules? Well, in war, there are no rules, and those who claim there are haven’t won one." -Valerius IV Maderia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12408363#post12408363 (at the bottom))

I came up with a quote a few days ago that aptly describes the experience of being at war, and I've decided to use it in "The Winter War". Aptly describes the story. I figured I'd share it with you all:

"How do you win a war with someone who doesn’t play by the rules? Well, in war, there are no rules, and those who claim there are haven’t won one." -Valerius IV Maderia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12408363#post12408363 (at the bottom))

Fitting...I like it.

Thanks. As soon as I came up with it I *had* to use it...it's something I've always felt about being at war...we'd all like it to have ethics, but the reality is that there isn't.

Placing rules on warfare is one of the dumbest ideas mankind has had. It just limits one side because we all know the other side isn't playing fair. Take, for instance, Al Qaeda or any insurgent group. Rules of warfare mean nothing to them and that is why I am pleased that the US hasn't ascribed to all of them and that we still use cluster bombs, land-mines, fifty caliber weapons, and shotguns. Huzzah!

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Fitting...I like it.

Thanks. As soon as I came up with it I *had* to use it...it's something I've always felt about being at war...we'd all like it to have ethics, but the reality is that there isn't.

Seems like a slow week on EII ay?

I came up with a quote a few days ago that aptly describes the experience of being at war, and I've decided to use it in "The Winter War". Aptly describes the story. I figured I'd share it with you all:

"How do you win a war with someone who doesn’t play by the rules? Well, in war, there are no rules, and those who claim there are haven’t won one." -Valerius IV Maderia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12408363#post12408363 (at the bottom))

To which, an apt reply could be given:

"Overt generalizations are rules."

If you mean "rules" by "rules of engagement," then I supply this quote - "Subjugating the enemy's army without fighting is the pinnacle of excellence."
(Sunzi, Chapter 3)

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Weird...you're in the same time zone as I am...I figured it wouldn't do it in those circumstances...(i.e., one time zone would have the same clock).

Placing rules on warfare is one of the dumbest ideas mankind has had. It just limits one side because we all know the other side isn't playing fair. Take, for instance, Al Qaeda or any insurgent group. Rules of warfare mean nothing to them and that is why I am pleased that the US hasn't ascribed to all of them and that we still use cluster bombs, land-mines, fifty caliber weapons, and shotguns. Huzzah!

It's interesting to note that the media doesn't describe their actions as being "part of a war"...the White House does. As much as I think the "War on Terror" is essentially unwinnable (you're never going to get rid of terrorism, let's face it), war is still about beating your enemy however you can- there's no rules surrounding that.

To which, an apt reply could be given:

"Overt generalizations are rules."

If you mean "rules" by "rules of engagement," then I supply this quote - "Subjugating the enemy's army without fighting is the pinnacle of excellence."
(Sunzi, Chapter 3)

Wouldn't that back up what Valerius is saying though? That the rules of war are that there are no rules? I intended the quote to be more of a general statement about war than simply about rules of engagement, even though that's the context behind the phrase. I like Sunzi's quote though- that, I think is the ultimate goal behind war.

Placing rules on warfare is one of the dumbest ideas mankind has had. It just limits one side because we all know the other side isn't playing fair. Take, for instance, Al Qaeda or any insurgent group. Rules of warfare mean nothing to them and that is why I am pleased that the US hasn't ascribed to all of them and that we still use cluster bombs, land-mines, fifty caliber weapons, and shotguns. Huzzah!

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Define fair, and we'll decide how warfare is at all restricted. After all, according to Al Qaeda, lopping the heads of civilians is "fair" in their rule-book, whereas they vehemently oppose the USA's establishment of armed forces in the Middle East [more correctly, Dar al Islam...] as "unrighteous". I personally don't that it's useful to justify anything in terms of a moral argument, because the only thing that you ascribe is to the authority of the Divine - and no man has any Divine authority on Earth. I'm not saying that there isn't an absolute authority on morality, but rather that humans can't ever ascribe any of their legitimacy to authority by invoking God's will - and that is the critical mistake.

Wouldn't that back up what Valerius is saying though? That the rules of war are that there are no rules? I intended the quote to be more of a general statement about war than simply about rules of engagement, even though that's the context behind the phrase. I like Sunzi's quote though- that, I think is the ultimate goal behind war.

Not necessarily. By making a generalization, Valerius makes a rule of a rule, which contradicts itself - that there are no rules of war; but the rules that makes no rules is a rule itself, which invalidates itself. And of course, the statement itself is false, because there are rules of war; after all, you can't say that the state with an army loses over a state that does not, because it's not true.

The thing that I think you were trying to describe is that no action in war carries with it moral implications, which is perhaps correct. Considering that war in general is a bad thing, to justify that one action in war is any less worse than another action in war is stupid: killing you by rippng out your arms can be considered worse than killing you by injecting you with drugs to incapacitate your body's vital functions, but the conclusion leads to death still - if an action is judged by its means, then how do we describe the ends of those means? If I pay ten thousand men to kill one thousand other men, the net result is that nine thousand people are happy - assuming all other things being content; does that make my action right or good?

Not necessarily. For that reason, is it justified to say that using atomic devices to guarantee the survival of millions over the hundreds of thousands that will die? Not necessarily. We can't legitimately judge an action by its method, but rather on its ends. And unfortunately, we haven't seen the end of it yet, so unless you happen to be sailing the seven seas to kingdom come, there's no way that you could judge any action to be absolutely right or wrong - and thence attribute any action to be good or bad, especially during war, since the relative perception of war is a negative perception.

For that reason, if you're going to war, it is as Sunzi says in another chapter:

"Those who do not thoroughly comprehend the dangers in employing the army are incapable of truly knowing the potential advantages of military actions." (Chapter 2)

My new Factbook thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12409042#post12409042

Just started it, using Lay's amazing layout so its easy to read and navigate.

Lay, could you put this on Page 1 with the other factbook threads. Cheers.

Define fair, and we'll decide how warfare is at all restricted. After all, according to Al Qaeda, lopping the heads of civilians is "fair" in their rule-book, whereas they vehemently oppose the USA's establishment of armed forces in the Middle East [more correctly, Dar al Islam...] as "unrighteous". I personally don't that it's useful to justify anything in terms of a moral argument, because the only thing that you ascribe is to the authority of the Divine - and no man has any Divine authority on Earth. I'm not saying that there isn't an absolute authority on morality, but rather that humans can't ever ascribe any of their legitimacy to authority by invoking God's will - and that is the critical mistake.

Well, the "rules of warfare" would make a mosque a mosque and a school a school. When they are loaded with terrorists or enemies and arms they definitely are targets of warfare but nonsensical and unchanging rules make sure that a mosque stays a mosque, even if a cache of IEDs are in there or assault rifles and a band of enemies. That's just an example. In Bosnia and Kosovo they put military targets such as radars and tanks and what not right next to schools and hospitals and what not (though thankfully our smart bombs can still hit them while producing minimal damage to the adjacent target).

Weird...you're in the same time zone as I am...I figured it wouldn't do it in those circumstances...(i.e., one time zone would have the same clock).

According to the Atomic clock it's 5:19 and some seconds...

Notice the post time, 5:22...it's slightly off ;)
http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Eastern/d/-5/java

Not necessarily. By making a generalization, Valerius makes a rule of a rule, which contradicts itself - that there are no rules of war; but the rules that makes no rules is a rule itself, which invalidates itself. And of course, the statement itself is false, because there are rules of war; after all, you can't say that the state with an army loses over a state that does not, because it's not true.

The thing that I think you were trying to describe is that no action in war carries with it moral implications, which is perhaps correct. Considering that war in general is a bad thing, to justify that one action in war is any less worse than another action in war is stupid: killing you by rippng out your arms can be considered worse than killing you by injecting you with drugs to incapacitate your body's vital functions, but the conclusion leads to death still - if an action is judged by its means, then how do we describe the ends of those means? If I pay ten thousand men to kill one thousand other men, the net result is that nine thousand people are happy - assuming all other things being content; does that make my action right or good?

Not necessarily. For that reason, is it justified to say that using atomic devices to guarantee the survival of millions over the hundreds of thousands that will die? Not necessarily. We can't legitimately judge an action by its method, but rather on its ends. And unfortunately, we haven't seen the end of it yet, so unless you happen to be sailing the seven seas to kingdom come, there's no way that you could judge any action to be absolutely right or wrong - and thence attribute any action to be good or bad, especially during war, since the relative perception of war is a negative perception.

For that reason, if you're going to war, it is as Sunzi says in another chapter:

"Those who do not thoroughly comprehend the dangers in employing the army are incapable of truly knowing the potential advantages of military actions." (Chapter 2)

I think you might be straying from what it is I'm intending on conveying. I've bolded the part of your quote that more or less states what it is I meant. Anyway, what I intended on saying is that in the mentality of "being at war" you can't think of doing anything other than winning- and yes, if that means using a nuclear bomb you use one (especially if you're on the brink and have no other means of "gaining an edge"). You are correct in saying that in a war you should be rational about *how* you attack- because in war you have an objective, and most of the time it *does* involve other people in some way, either through incorporating others through conquest or getting the state to do something that you want it to do (such as dismantle a weapons arsenal). So you can't do anything that would interfere with those ends (such as nuking the country, since that would effectively incapacitate the area with which you hope to use.

However, when you're battling the enemy, the only thing you have to be concerned about is overcoming them- you can't think about anything else. You'd probably like to be able to defeat them without having to destroy their cities, the land or the people- because you'll need them after the war- but if you can't do that, then you're essentially left with no choice (well, depending on how important that war is...this goes back to rationality. If you won't "lose" anything if you lose the war- i.e., for example you won't be able to add territory- then sending a nuke probably won't help your cause anyway). To this end I point to the Punic Wars, especially the third one: the Romans couldn't annex Carthage without razing it to the ground, because the Carthaginians were more willing to fight to the death instead of surrendering (don't blame them...the Third Punic War was essentially "set up" by the Romans). Rome did rebuild the city there because it made an effective port, but, since they did that I'm sure they would have loved to have kept the city intact at least. However, they couldn't do it. The bottom line is that war only knows one language- success. If you can't speak it, you can't wage it.

Uncle Sam is going to be kinda good to me this year and give me some back.

Just getting some advertising in, everyone go to totalgamingleague.com and look at the rolling thunder tournament. Keep an eye on that bracket when it begins cause you'll be seeing Clan EVIL pwning its way up. :p

On another note, i've got a few chapters done that i'll edit into my love,life and revolution tonight so any readers can check that out later on.

Good to hear. I hope to get another Killswitch Engage V post up and AAE post as well.

Well, not to spoil anything but when Ride the Lightning begins the next chapter is going to really push you into a new direction...

doh forget about this ..

I here give Saint Lazare these lands Haryana, Himachal Pradesh,and Punjab(Indian half) in exchange for a couple trillion..

Pantheaa, can we trade territories, Mari El for U'l Yanovsk?

Just in case anyone was wondering, there is no political correctness in the Empire, thank god!

Yo Lay, Spiz surrendered the Baker to me, just a reminder.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514237

"Operation We'll be Back for Dinner" - since there's been no reply from the dude that was to RP the opposition for a long time, and since it's automatically mine, we can all consider Bahrain to be pacified and integarted into the Realm. In other words, the RP is over and can be taken off the list.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?showtopic=3635

Ongoing project, i know have the most powerful tank destroyer in the 25-30 tonne class ever created, i think this will start off an arms race

Why, exactly, would it start an arms race? Tank Destroyers are not used much anymore. Closest thing I know is the LAV-AG (Assault Gun) (used by me and a few others- or they use something similar), it carries a 105mm ETC Cannon, but it ain't used as a tank destroyer simply because it can't hope to defeat the armor of any of the newer MBT's on E2. You really would be better just to keep it as an Assault Gun, to deal with fortified positions and other, smaller armor. If it went up against the Sabretooth or the M1A5 or the ST-39K1H it would be simply a glorified coffin.

I do like the vehicle series though, that is always a good idea, ensures commanlity of parts and ease of training and operation.

Its a B1 Centauro knockoff to be frank, it has MBT killing firepower, in a much more air-liftable chassis, it will be supplementing the Nakil 1ASZs in my Para-armoured divisions.

Yeah in RL it may have MBT killing firepower, but it will lose against Lay's Sabretooth or my M1A5. I'm just saying that Tank Destroyers aren't really the done thing anymore. Assault Gun's are what they are called, and they are more readily used against lesser enemy armor, not usually MBT's.

Pantheaa, can we trade territories, Mari El for U'l Yanovsk?

Sure sounds like a good deal

I confirm

A new website shall I have soon:

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/9896/banner01zo3.jpg

That's the banner from it and it'll have a good amount of Nation-States stuff on it :).

I just went to see 300 today

OMG is that movie awesome

THIS IS SPARTA!!!!

Like Sparta, some but not all Panthean boys are taken away from their parents to train and fight. In fact im planning on making Pantheaa into a true warrior society

I just went to see 300 today

OMG is that movie awesome

THIS IS SPARTA!!!!

Like Sparta, some but not all Panthean boys are taken away from their parents to train and fight. In fact im planning on making Pantheaa into a true warrior society

Meh good luck, one thing about warrior societies is that they always need an ongoing war.

Killswitch Engage IV is over. It wasn't what I had really hoped for but we ran out of steam on it so we just decided to end it early.

Well I havn't yet gotten alot of what I wanted to get done by now, like posted up in my "love, life and revolution" as well as adding to my factbook.

BUT I have been doing alot outside of the forums like typing on seperate word documents and things I can edit and revise without having to change what people have already seen.

First off the factbook will, without a doubt be updated this week along with my "Love, Life and Revolution." theres a few things about my military I need to change though and I wanted to know if I could purchase a rather large amount of MBT's to replace what I would have as being the T-90. As well as that I want to work on my own APC variant and I believe Pushka has sold me a nice amount of weapons (The type I cannot remember so please Pushka can you tell me which one it was).

Another thing, I will be needing other types of weapons. The ones I bought from Pushka were assault rifles, I will be needing to do an entire rearming of my military to replace the SVD's as our snipers, RPK's as our MG's and so on. The AK-101 replacment's have been confirmed though and all AK-101's will be kept in service to be used in the newly formed guerrilla's Unit. All variants under the AK-101 will be sent to Lame Bums to arm his military and to begin pulling out troops out of acting as his standing military.

I believe that is all.

Heysorry abou prolonged absence. Im just "formulating" some ideas, The Aregntine empire seems a bit naff

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514237

"Operation We'll be Back for Dinner" - since there's been no reply from the dude that was to RP the opposition for a long time, and since it's automatically mine, we can all consider Bahrain to be pacified and integrated into the Realm. In other words, the RP is over and can be taken off the list.

Actually, I'm still awaiting an IC response to my last post.

Well I havn't yet gotten alot of what I wanted to get done by now, like posted up in my "love, life and revolution" as well as adding to my factbook.

BUT I have been doing alot outside of the forums like typing on seperate word documents and things I can edit and revise without having to change what people have already seen.

First off the factbook will, without a doubt be updated this week along with my "Love, Life and Revolution." theres a few things about my military I need to change though and I wanted to know if I could purchase a rather large amount of MBT's to replace what I would have as being the T-90. As well as that I want to work on my own APC variant and I believe Pushka has sold me a nice amount of weapons (The type I cannot remember so please Pushka can you tell me which one it was).

Another thing, I will be needing other types of weapons. The ones I bought from Pushka were assault rifles, I will be needing to do an entire rearming of my military to replace the SVD's as our snipers, RPK's as our MG's and so on. The AK-101 replacment's have been confirmed though and all AK-101's will be kept in service to be used in the newly formed guerrilla's Unit. All variants under the AK-101 will be sent to Lame Bums to arm his military and to begin pulling out troops out of acting as his standing military.

I believe that is all.

You purchased AD-142M Drakon, I think you bought 500k rifles.If you want to replace SVD I would suggest AD-142SV Voron, its a markman's variant of Yastreb, the original rifle, has characteristics exceeding those of SVD. A tank I would recommend Maccabee's Nakil IV, his storefront is closed down but you can still purchase them if you contact him (TG him). MGs...I will be developing something soon, for now I would recommend the real life Kord 12.7, a very, very good MG, never breaks down is light for an MG its caliber and has effective range of 2 km plus is very accurate. Also if you want a good close quarter weapon or even a silent close quarter weapon I would recommend
AD-142K Grach and AD-142SK Dyatel, first is a carbine version of AD-142 Yastreb, second is a special carbine that fires sub-sonic munition that basically creates no sound.

Here is the link to my rifles:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=517036

I will probably throw together an MG some time before I finish off the engine write up for the IO-23 Perun Air Dominance Fighter.

Yeah in RL it may have MBT killing firepower, but it will lose against Lay's Sabretooth or my M1A5. I'm just saying that Tank Destroyers aren't really the done thing anymore. Assault Gun's are what they are called, and they are more readily used against lesser enemy armor, not usually MBT's.

And those would be torn to shreds at extreme range by my Main Battle Tanks, which are far heavier and better armed that yours, unless yours are all in the hundred and twenty tonne range, but thats not the point. And no, not all tank destroyers are assault guns, modern ones like the B1 Centauro are fully turreted, think a light tank with a big big gun. Which is what mine are. But thank you for reminding me to do a turretless version for defending fixed posistion

Yeah, I've seen the specs on your MBT-the Pompeii. Keep in mind it has to defeat four levels of armor, that includes AERBT's (Advanced Explosive Reactive Battle Tiles), 5th Gen Chobham armor, COH patented DUEIS (Depleted Uranium Encased in Steel), tungsten-titanium weave and finally ceramic plastic crew protection armor (CPCPA). That is of course, if you can even get within range. I wonder, though, if your tanks would even get close, what with the capabilty of the M1A5 to carry and launch armed UAV's. Then, could you catch an M1A5 at 47mph? The M1A5 has a bigger engine yet is much lighter, even with full combat loadout, so its a case of 'eat my dust'. Even if you do take one out, I have over 98,000 of them. They would probably outnumber yours by at least 2:1. And 98,000 isn't counting the Sabretooth's and ARSB made MBT's.
So build your little Tank Destroyer, watch it burn. Damn I wish Pushka attacked you, you'd have been shown the folly of such developments.
By the way, this coming from someone whose army was owned by a relatively small air strike in the UAE is pretty damn strange, I think that great strategy of doing nothing despite the fact we told you it was coming speaks volumes.

I might still attack him, my army is still ready to go at our border. He hasn't replied to my ultimatum yet.

OOC: Puskha, i already payed for the sat damage, i payed for everyones

Hirgy, the reason they were all killed was they were all packed into the streets and had no real air defence set up, they were sitting ducks, and a battle tank commander in my cavalry units has UAVs at his disposal, i just dont carry them around on my tanks where they can get hit by errant APFSDS fire.

Uh, normally i fight on the defensive, so your tanks would have to be coming towards mine, rather negating your speed advantage, and my T108s have going on four and a half thousand horsepower.

OOC: Puskha, i already payed for the sat damage, i payed for everyones

Hirgy, the reason they were all killed was they were all packed into the streets and had no real air defence set up, they were sitting ducks, and a battle tank commander in my cavalry units has UAVs at his disposal, i just dont carry them around on my tanks where they can get hit by errant APFSDS fire.

Uh, normally i fight on the defensive, so your tanks would have to be coming towards mine, rather negating your speed advantage, and my T108s have going on four and a half thousand horsepower.

OOC: Puskha, i already payed for the sat damage, i payed for everyones

Hirgy, the reason they were all killed was they were all packed into the streets and had no real air defence set up, they were sitting ducks, and a battle tank commander in my cavalry units has UAVs at his disposal, i just dont carry them around on my tanks where they can get hit by errant APFSDS fire.

Uh, normally i fight on the defensive, so your tanks would have to be coming towards mine, rather negating your speed advantage, and my T108s have going on four and a half thousand horsepower.

Unfortunately at 125 tonnes, despite its massive amount of power, it's not going to maneuver at all and a lot of bridges won't be able to support its weight. It's still vulnerable to ATGMs that attack from the top though, all tanks are.

You know some UAVs are tiny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RQ-11_Raven

You purchased AD-142M Drakon, I think you bought 500k rifles.If you want to replace SVD I would suggest AD-142SV Voron, its a markman's variant of Yastreb, the original rifle, has characteristics exceeding those of SVD. A tank I would recommend Maccabee's Nakil IV, his storefront is closed down but you can still purchase them if you contact him (TG him). MGs...I will be developing something soon, for now I would recommend the real life Kord 12.7, a very, very good MG, never breaks down is light for an MG its caliber and has effective range of 2 km plus is very accurate. Also if you want a good close quarter weapon or even a silent close quarter weapon I would recommend
AD-142K Grach and AD-142SK Dyatel, first is a carbine version of AD-142 Yastreb, second is a special carbine that fires sub-sonic munition that basically creates no sound.

Here is the link to my rifles:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=517036

I will probably throw together an MG some time before I finish off the engine write up for the IO-23 Perun Air Dominance Fighter.

I'll probably go with the Kord 12.7 cause I have heard a lot of praise about it, as for close quarters I have chosen the MP7, its easy to use and very light plus its capability not only as an SMG but also a pistol because of the extremely light recoil on it. And it is very durable, they have a video on google that shows the MP7 being caked with mud then still being able to fire at its normal rate. But, I may need those carbines for my paratroopers. Depends on what I end up doing, i'll get back to you on that.

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doh forget about this ..

I here give Saint Lazare these lands Haryana, Himachal Pradesh,and Punjab(Indian half) in exchange for a couple trillion..

I confirm this...

and the sum of the my withdrawal from the bank is hereby transferred to Ottoman Khaif [$1tril per our agreement...]

A reminder that the term ends this Saturday, so be sure to check your TGs if you've been informed of this revelation.

The Empire officially recognizes the following countries:


The Anti-Communist Republic of Lame Bums
The Free Land of Persecution and Hatred

I confirm this...

and the sum of the my withdrawal from the bank is hereby transferred to Ottoman Khaif [$1tril per our agreement...]

A reminder that the term ends this Saturday, so be sure to check your TGs if you've been informed of this revelation.

I must have missed that somewhere around the bend but don't worry I'll add it tomorrow probably.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2770/nationstates01tk9.jpg
hehehehehe

I'll probably go with the Kord 12.7 cause I have heard a lot of praise about it, as for close quarters I have chosen the MP7, its easy to use and very light plus its capability not only as an SMG but also a pistol because of the extremely light recoil on it. And it is very durable, they have a video on google that shows the MP7 being caked with mud then still being able to fire at its normal rate. But, I may need those carbines for my paratroopers. Depends on what I end up doing, i'll get back to you on that.

AD-142K is light, durable, has a recoil cancellation system, same with SK except it also fires a sub-sonic bullet that creates less recoil, plus is completely silent, all you hear is the receiver moving back and forth.

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Eh you forgot to transfer the Baker island into my possession.

In other news, the ultimatum has been met and my forces are returning to base in Yemen, majority of my 5000 ship fleet that was to attack Spiz's capitol is going to back to its ports except for a small detachment of 40 ships thats going to bring equipment to the Baker Island to prevent it from decapitating.

Yeah Lay You also forgot the land trade between me and Pantheaa.

Mari El for Ulyanovsk Oblast

ooppppssss

One thought about the 125 ton behemoth your fielding as a MBT Spiz. Without special roads and special bridges to support overland travel for your vehicle, it would be pretty much useless. Regular highways under the current construction standards simply would buckle under the weight, even with tracks making a smaller footprint. History explains this well when Hitler fielded his "super tank" the King Tiger. It's size and weight along with its thirst for fuel rendered it a nonfactor. Plus all the armor in the world doesn't protect any MBT from a top-diving Maverick or any other well placed ATGM.
I would keep all my MBT's under the 100 ton range and simply build more of them.

On a side note work calls me back to the dreaded town of Houston yet again, I will be out of pocket until Monday.

-Hawdawg

Killswitch Engage V is really counting down to the 15th :).

oh noz!!! Lay has posted his strategic targets chart!!!

Posted it there? Am I number one? I'd feel so special if I am.

In other news, how do you guys feel about a War on Terror RP?

Sorry for the lack of writing in Land of Sin if anyone is reading.

Been busy with a slight case of writers block. The Story will continue with much haste asap [hopefully tonight or tomorrow]

LoS has been updated. Its a bit slow right now, the first part will be. Just setting the scene is all and its a rather long one.

The other two parts will be action packed.

I do like where LOS is going, its pretty damn cool I must say. I can write some stuff with Ugo if you want, reading over the last post has got my creative thoughts about that sicko going again!
(By the way, is LOS going to be a replacement for Let the Guilty Hang? It seems kinda appropriate to me, as you've set up all the intrigue damn well!)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519771

The Cottish factbook for E2. Feel free to put it up there somewhere Lay.

Yes to everything you said Hirg. I only ask you stick along with the storyline [or rather the timelime].

Official Communiqué to the USR

The Realm of Cotland considers the territories of Yaroslavl, Ivanovo and Kostroma, currently occupied by the United Soviet Republics, as the sovereign territory of the Realm of Cotland, having historically been central and vital parts of the Realm before they were occupied by foreign powers following a period of instability in the Realm. Now that the Realm has returned stability to its territories, it is time to return the occupied territories back to the Realm. Therefore, the Cottish government hereby gives the leadership of the United Soviet Republics an ultimatum: Return the territories of Yaroslavl, Ivanovo and Kostroma to the Realm within three days*, or face the consequences, which we assure you will be very grave. This is your first and last warning. Choose wisely.

[signed]
The Cabinet
The Realm of Cotland

* = A day or so in RL time. Gonna give him some time to think about it before I do anything further...

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5190/unitedsovietrepublicsflid0.jpg

Official Reply From The U.S.R. Supreme Ruler.

We will not be threatened by your ultimatum, the territories that our brothers died for will not be given up so easily. We fought for independence, we bled and died for our future and you can expect us to do this once more to protect it. We will not give in, pull back your ultimatum do not force us into doing something we could never take back.

Vitaly Kurstrovitz

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I must have missed that somewhere around the bend but don't worry I'll add it tomorrow probably.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2770/nationstates01tk9.jpg
hehehehehe

I don't get it.

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Official Statement to the USR

Then you shall have sealed your own fate. This is our last warning: withdraw your forces from the Cottish occupied territories within three days, or we shall consider it an act of hostility and act accordingly.

Let the world be warned: Effective immediately, trade boycotts has been implemented and any aircraft, vehicle or person attempting to enter into the USR through the Realm shall be denied access. Failure to adhere to this boycott will result in the trespasser being destroyed, regardless of nationality. All USR citizens currently in the Realm will be detained and interned, and all USR assets in or near the Realm shall be frozen and confiscated.

Before any nation of the world begins to object, let the following be known: The USR has brought this upon itself by openly refusing to even consider the release of the occupied Cottish territories to the Realm. Therefore, the Realm must take action to defend its realms.

[signed]
The Cabinet
The Realm of Cotland
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In other news, how do you guys feel about a War on Terror RP?

Aside from the Seraph Pasdaran in the southern Caucasus, which has been annihilated, nobody here really has RP'd the creation of an international terrorist group so what would we war against?

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Oooo a rumble

:: grabs poping corn ::

http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5190/unitedsovietrepublicsflid0.jpg
Final Statement to the Cottish Empire.

They are not cottish occupied until your flags waves in the streets and on top of the government buildings. If these citizens were truly cottish they would not have fought to aid the revolution in the name of the soviet republics. What is to come is of your doing as you came to challenge the U.S.R. with the stupidity of thinking we would just take it.

Let it be known as of today those in possession of cottish propagandistic material such as flags, books or any item made or from the cottish population shall be enemies of the republics and be treated as such with immediate deportation to the nearest camp.

Cottish trade is also stopped, any trade headed for Cotland that passes our borders will be halted and confiscated.

Your actions are rash, considering your proposal would have let us to spit on it there is no time to waste with abusive nations.

Council of Foreign Affairs (Official Statement)
- Signed off by Vitaly Kurstrovz.

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I take it these communiques are concerned only to those parties involve and now public knowledge yet?

Aside from the Seraph Pasdaran in the southern Caucasus, which has been annihilated, nobody here really has RP'd the creation of an international terrorist group so what would we war against?

Basically the same as War on Drugs, first nations have their own terrorist troubles then those terrorist clusters start communicating with each other and bam we have a war on terror.

Hey its something to do and EII needs to be a bit more eventful its been a slow month. (minus Spiz thing)

and the jolt gremlin strikes again placing my post before Lay's.

We could ste up a thread offsite like the one is now to declare what's what and get an RP up...could probably do a lot of "past" events you know to detail the rise of terrorist organizations and such...up until late 2005, terrorism in the EOL was really non-existent except for the sparse insurgency attacks as the conquests continued.

and the jolt gremlin strikes again placing my post before Lay's.

http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=595

Here's the thing for offsite...you want to get it started Push? I'm going to bed...

Land of Sin:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12433647&postcount=7

Ugo at his evil best!

http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=595

Here's the thing for offsite...you want to get it started Push? I'm going to bed...

You'll probably be able to get it started faster than me, I got to drive for next 2 and a half hours....missing St.Patrick's day because of my car...bummer.

You'll probably be able to get it started faster than me, I got to drive for next 2 and a half hours....missing St.Patrick's day because of my car...bummer.

That's alright I'm covered in ice and snow here and it won't stop until tomorrow...no fun out there I tell you.

Quietly...Into the Night (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520939)

Terror Wars RP

Yep, all my messages were public knowledge.

I take it these communiques are concerned only to those parties involve and now public knowledge yet?

The new soviet law is public knowledge about the ban on cottish rights living in soviet territories. Also the U.S.R. has let known the cottish ultimatum and its request then threats. I believe cotland's trade blockade is public knowledge.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520952

Operation: Rettferdig Tilbakeføring, Attention Nerotika


This is what happens when you don't give the Realm back it's land.... :)

Quietly...Into the Night (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520939)

Terror Wars RP

Well I made the first post and it goes back to 1976...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520952

Operation: Rettferdig Tilbakeføring, Attention Nerotika


This is what happens when you don't give the Realm back it's land.... :)

I just must know, how exactly do you plan on hitting targets without a satellite tracking system? You might be able to hit closer targets but firing from submarines your targeting ability is limited, even with coordinates and such you could only hit standing targets like buildings that are publicly known about like recruiting offices and public military bases. Otherwise, training facilities and command centre's are beyond your means that also includes divisions of the 1st army.

You know I think I am going to use the Terror War RP to describe the initial stages of the revolution between 1976 and 1977. You see the Emperor and his group didn't get involved until 1977 but there was revolutionary groups fighting because, let's face it, in every revolution there are many factions all vying for power. Often, factions will join together for the fighting and get along and wage war against the government and will often fight each other after the government falls. They have that one common ground and when they lose that common ground they just fight each other. It's very common, the French Revolution really emphasized this so damn well.

Exactly how is Yaroslavl, Ivanovo and Kostroma belong to Cotland when the Cots are norwegian?

Im feel safer having Nero at my broader then Cotland

If anything Western Russia belongs to me, USR and maybe Pushka...but all the rest of you are foreign powers

* Rubs the 'Sleep' out of his eyes and smiles* G'evening people, Trensk here just letting you know i'm still alive, just waiting for somthing of Interest that could affect Trensk. ;)

Exactly how is Yaroslavl, Ivanovo and Kostroma belong to Cotland when the Cots are norwegian?

Im feel safer having Nero at my broader then Cotland

If anything Western Russia belongs to me, USR and maybe Pushka...but all the rest of you are foreign powers

The Empire, in itself, has had little, if any interest in Russia or Europe as a whole with the exception of Ireland and Iceland and our failed campaign in Kaliningrad. We have always held a sort of tacit agreement with the Russian nations to stay out of Russia if said nations stayed away from our territories to the West, particularly in the Caribbean Sea but, with certain events, we will be revaluating said policies.

* Rubs the 'Sleep' out of his eyes and smiles* G'evening people, Trensk here just letting you know i'm still alive, just waiting for somthing of Interest that could affect Trensk. ;)

How about the terror rp?

Hrm? Oh, that, well to tell the truth...I really havn't been paying attention. (CS:S is HIGHLY addictive...)...>_>

<_<

But i'll check it out. ;)

Hrm? Oh, that, well to tell the truth...I really havn't been paying attention. (CS:S is HIGHLY addictive...)...>_>

<_<

But i'll check it out. ;)

CS bad...very bad...get STALKER wednesday :)

Quick official statement: All nations that support the actions of Cotland will be condemned by the USR. We will no longer recognize those nations as they have sided with the obvious aggressor.

I just must know, how exactly do you plan on hitting targets without a satellite tracking system? You might be able to hit closer targets but firing from submarines your targeting ability is limited, even with coordinates and such you could only hit standing targets like buildings that are publicly known about like recruiting offices and public military bases. Otherwise, training facilities and command centre's are beyond your means that also includes divisions of the 1st army.
Simple. The war has been planned for a long time, and while satellite images from below LEO are unavailable, I do have spy satellites way above LEO. Additionally, I've had spy planes (Aurora-type) and UAVs in the air on the border, watching for quite some time now.

That leads me to ask, how come your aircraft mysteriously avoid getting hit by the air to air missiles I fired, and how come your SAM sites aren't hit by my Imsdal missiles? I'd like to get some idea of how they've preformed (IE how much damage they've caused - and it will be extensive, considering they're pretty much impossible to intercept).

I'll reply ICly when I get home from work.

Exactly how is Yaroslavl, Ivanovo and Kostroma belong to Cotland when the Cots are norwegian?

Im feel safer having Nero at my broader then Cotland

If anything Western Russia belongs to me, USR and maybe Pushka...but all the rest of you are foreign powers

Way back when (a year or two ago), I had a massive empire in Russia, remember? The Empire of Cotland? Well, we've gone nostalgic on our elder days and decided we want it back, one territory at a time... ;)

OOC: Technically you have nothing left below or at GEO, which means your pictures arent going to be particularily detailed, a group of buildings in a forest could be a training camp for soldiers, or it could be a set of hunting lodges, there is little way to tell from those altitudes.

I'm sure Cot had plenty of satellites not in GESO, they'd probably be ok.

Careful what you say about Western Russia, i'v got some land there and do not take kindly to people saying they own what is not theirs. *Makes not to strengthen defences in his Russian Territories and increase military spending...* All these battles in Russia is making me feel quite unsafe...

Quick official statement: All nations that support the actions of Cotland will be condemned by the USR. We will no longer recognize those nations as they have sided with the obvious aggressor.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11761753&postcount=26

We support Cotland's actions but have never recognized Nerotika as a viable state so it doesn't really matter to us.

OOC: Technically you have nothing left below or at GEO, which means your pictures arent going to be particularily detailed, a group of buildings in a forest could be a training camp for soldiers, or it could be a set of hunting lodges, there is little way to tell from those altitudes.

It might be "secret IC" that he's using ours...

Careful what you say about Western Russia, i'v got some land there and do not take kindly to people saying they own what is not theirs. *Makes not to strengthen defences in his Russian Territories and increase military spending...* All these battles in Russia is making me feel quite unsafe...

Urgh...Western Russia...fuck Kaliningrad!

Lol, anyways, new thread. *Gasps* Secret Council?! *eyes widen* Hidden Facility?!! *hyperventilating* Genetic Projects?! *Faints*

Here's the thread for those interested. ;) Basicly what's happening in Trensk right now.

Hidden in Shadow
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=521031

Those are fun to have...

Lol, anyways, new thread. *Gasps* Secret Council?! *eyes widen* Hidden Facility?!! *hyperventilating* Genetic Projects?! *Faints*

Here's the thread for those interested. ;) Basicly what's happening in Trensk right now.

Hidden in Shadow
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=521031

Simple. The war has been planned for a long time, and while satellite images from below LEO are unavailable, I do have spy satellites way above LEO. Additionally, I've had spy planes (Aurora-type) and UAVs in the air on the border, watching for quite some time now.

That leads me to ask, how come your aircraft mysteriously avoid getting hit by the air to air missiles I fired, and how come your SAM sites aren't hit by my Imsdal missiles? I'd like to get some idea of how they've preformed (IE how much damage they've caused - and it will be extensive, considering they're pretty much impossible to intercept).

I'll reply ICly when I get home from work.



Way back when (a year or two ago), I had a massive empire in Russia, remember? The Empire of Cotland? Well, we've gone nostalgic on our elder days and decided we want it back, one territory at a time... ;)

Empire of Cotland..yes but you gave that land away on your own free will. You never "lost" it, you allowed nations such as myself to anexx it. And now you want it back?...its sort of like the French wanted New Orleans back, it makes no sense. Cottish foreign diplomacy seems aggressive and not willing to compromise..if anything EVERY Russian nation should be worried about a country that states they want to take Russia back "one piece at a time"

The League of Russian nations will not tolerate such actions

Yes Lay i agree that Pushka had no right to encroach on your territory. And now we see Cotland lowering himself to that level.

Shall i resume my desire to conquer Europe then (which i adaboned after the war with COH)...since Cotland wants to come into my turf, i better start moving west into Europe

Not to mention that Cotland in OCC chat once told me that he hope's "that i go to Iraq and die" then gets all offended when i call him a Eurotrash Eunuch on the offsit forum.

When it's the truth

Your governments are too afraid to fight Islamic Fascism..your country is being over-runned by Islamic immigrants AND YOUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!

Spain even voted for a pro islamic fascist party after being bombed....The Spanish Socialist party!

So Europeans are Eunuchs..they have no balls!!!!
!

The Empire must make like concessions...

Not to mention that Cotland in OCC chat once told me that he hope's "that i go to Iraq and die" then gets all offended when i call him a Eurotrash Eunuch on the offsit forum.

When it's the truth

Your governments are too afraid to fight Islamic Fascism..your country is being over-runned by Islamic immigrants AND YOUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!

So Europeans are Eunuchs..they have no balls!!!!
!

The governments won't do anything about it, because Islamic fundamentalists are funded by the guys we buy oil from, and unfortunately, we love our oil too much to give a damn about it. We [the West] complain about Iran because we don't buy oil from them, but when you look at Saudi Arabia, Jordan, even Egypt to some extent, they're equally committed to funding Sunni extremists, if only to stop Shiite extremists. We just happen to like the Sunnis because they're more "sensible" at the moment.

What oil fields....Osama doesn't control any neither does Hezbollah

And speaking of pathenic, Hezbollah a group that hides behind children gets their ass kicked by Israel and then claims they won the war. And the left wing in Europe and in America continued to support Hezbollah a group that killed American Marines anf French soldiers in the 1980's and has terrorist cells located throughout Europe

And the Leftist love them! Is that not Treason?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Lebanese_Hezbollah_recruts_being_sworn_in.jpg
Seig Heil!!!!

I had no right? Central Mexico was not Lay's territory it was Neuvo Rica's and I maintain the right to claim whatever land I want if a nation goes D12 or D13.
As for all that Russian alliance bullshit, Nero already tried to make me help him and I said no. Why? Because I treat all of you as separatist regimes that have divided themselves from the Federation during the recent state of anarchy, I see no reason to help you. If Cot or anyone else comes for my land, I will take care of em, but I don't see why my soldiers should die to protect those that decided that they do not want to be lead by my government (referring to your citizens).


Fine then i thought you were the Lesser of Two evils but i was mistaking

I will support TOA and Cotland then

Empire of Cotland..yes but you gave that land away on your own free will. You never "lost" it, you allowed nations such as myself to anexx it. And now you want it back?...its sort of like the French wanted New Orleans back, it makes no sense. Cottish foreign diplomacy seems aggressive and not willing to compromise..if anything EVERY Russian nation should be worried about a country that states they want to take Russia back "one piece at a time"

The League of Russian nations will not tolerate such actions

Yes Lay i agree that Pushka had no right to encroach on your territory. And now we see Cotland lowering himself to that level.

Shall i resume my desire to conquer Europe then (which i adaboned after the war with COH)...since Cotland wants to come into my turf, i better start moving west into Europe

I had no right? Central Mexico was not Lay's territory it was Neuvo Rica's and I maintain the right to claim whatever land I want if a nation goes D12 or D13.
As for all that Russian alliance bullshit, Nero already tried to make me help him and I said no. Why? Because I treat all of you as separatist regimes that have divided themselves from the Federation during the recent state of anarchy, I see no reason to help you. If Cot or anyone else comes for my land, I will take care of em, but I don't see why my soldiers should die to protect those that decided that they do not want to be lead by my government (referring to your citizens).

Wait now, I have balls, my balls are bigger then your house.

No Russians have balls, i said Europeans
Like when Russians went into that theatre and killed all the terrorist plus the innocent hostages! Nice going Russia

Not to mention that Cotland in OCC chat once told me that he hope's "that i go to Iraq and die" then gets all offended when i call him a Eurotrash Eunuch on the offsit forum.

When it's the truth

Your governments are too afraid to fight Islamic Fascism..your country is being over-runned by Islamic immigrants AND YOUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!

Spain even voted for a pro islamic fascist party after being bombed....The Spanish Socialist party!

So Europeans are Eunuchs..they have no balls!!!!
!

Wait now, I have balls, my balls are bigger then your house.

You don't see me invading Nerotika do you? Im not evil, TOA is, but your choice really has no affect on me.

No but what is evident from Lay's post is that your bringing war to Russia. Nations want to be close enough to fight you

I still support Nero though

Fine then i thought you were the Lesser of Two evils but i was mistaking

I will support TOA and Cotland then

You don't see me invading Nerotika do you? Im not evil, TOA is, but your choice really has no affect on me. Yeah Nerotika is basically my Serbia, as Yeltsin sold out the Serbs to the west instead of helping our brothers against NATO and Albanian bastards he helped the NATO...oh well life goes on justice doesn't always prevail, infact in most cases it doesn't.

And as for the separatist stuff...your nation is the separatist my heritage comes directly from the Tsar, the rightful rulers of Russia

We gonna calm down?

No but what is evident from Lay's post is that your bringing war to Russia. Nations want to be close enough to fight you

I still support Nero though

That is not my problem, if you wanted some sort of an all Russian Defense pact you should have thought about it before. Let me guess you're on his side in spirit?

That is not my problem, if you wanted some sort of an all Russian Defense pact you should have thought about it before. Let me guess you're on his side in spirit?

I will help out Nero the best i can

Money as well as equipment will be provided to him though including those Archangels you gave me

Why you going to fight for Nero?

More directed to Pantheaa. Eurotrash and some seig heil stuff will definitely be problematic...

And as for the separatist stuff...your nation is the separatist my heritage comes directly from the Tsar, the rightful rulers of Russia

Well not really, according to my history the Pushkavaties the lost slavic tribe have been exiled by their brothers for reasons unknown, that was long before the Moscovy took power and a first tsar emerged, that was even before there was a first Great Kniaz. The Pushkavites traveled to Siberia and began their new nation, they also had a Tsar for a while but the line ended during the 1888 communist revolution. So no, Im not a separatist from you, no matter what you claim.

Well not really, according to my history the Pushkavaties the lost slavic tribe have been exiled by their brothers for reasons unknown, that was long before the Moscovy took power and a first tsar emerged, that was even before there was a first Great Kniaz. The Pushkavites traveled to Siberia and began their new nation, they also had a Tsar for a while but the line ended during the 1888 communist revolution. So no, Im not a separatist from you, no matter what you claim.

LOL so you're a separatist of Russia. In other words you have no right to claim Russian land cause it's not yours. Your land is Siberia..not Western Russia


This debate isn't heated Lay, just a friendly debate

We gonna calm down?

Im not even heating up man, just chatting.

Just to let everyone know, the Layartebian Defense Corporation has moved into a whole new sector to manufacture civilian jetliners. They now offer two models on the open market. They have previous sold civilian models such as the Airbus and Boeing brands but now they are making their own.

The first two models available are the Model 001 and Model 002.

Model 001 (http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Nation-States/LDC/Air/ldc-001.htm)

Model 002 (http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Nation-States/LDC/Air/ldc-002.htm)

LOL so you're a separatist of Russia. In other words you have no right to claim Russian land cause it's not yours. Your land is Siberia..not Western Russia


This debate isn't heated Lay, just a friendly debate

I don't see how thats the case, my people are still of Russian descent, by your logic in RL people who live in Siberia and who's families lived there for hundreds of years are now not Russian? But they are. Either way, my capitol is in Voronej and even than I have been in possession of Moscow it was still Voronej, my land is whatever I make it, I do have moral justifications to unite all of Russia since I am the most powerful Russian nation.

The Empire is now, officially, unbelievable rich!

So who wants to be bought out?

The Empire is now, officially, unbelievable rich!

Congrats on joining the club, I've been unbelievably rich for a while now.

Congrats on joining the club, I've been unbelievably rich for a while now.

Not $600 trillion rich :).

I don't see how thats the case, my people are still of Russian descent, by your logic in RL people who live in Siberia and who's families lived there for hundreds of years are now not Russian? But they are. Either way, my capitol is in Voronej and even than I have been in possession of Moscow it was still Voronej, my land is whatever I make it, I do have moral justifications to unite all of Russia since I am the most powerful Russian nation.

I would rather see Russian nations united fighting against a common enemy..but from what your telling me you would rather see a foreign nation like Cotland stroll into Russia rather then unite behind me and Nero and fight back. So if Cotland wins his war and TOA decides they want to attack you, don't expect me to help.

And i still disagree...the Panthean people have always either been in Slovakia where they fled after the the Bolshviks took over..or lower Russia where they and the white army fought a guriella war against the USSR for decades. We have always been near or close to Moscow and with the Grand Duke reclaiming his thorne that makes it more apparent that we are their descendents of Russia

It doesn't really matter, my nation is descendant of Russians, thats pretty much all there is to it.

Not $600 trillion rich :).

wtf!!!

wtf!!!

I started with $9,037,064,400,000.00.

I would rather see Russian nations united fighting against a common enemy..but from what your telling me you would rather see a foreign nation like Cotland stroll into Russia rather then unite behind me and Nero and fight back. So if Cotland wins his war and TOA decides they want to attack you, don't expect me to help.

And i still disagree...the Panthean people have always either been in Slovakia where they fled after the the Bolshviks took over..or lower Russia where they and the white army fought a guriella war against the USSR for decades. We have always been near or close to Moscow and with the Grand Duke reclaiming his thorne that makes it more apparent that we are their descendents of Russia

We're attacking someone? Really?

If one needs a loan from the Empire here are the precentage rates:

The October Alliance Category: 5.50% APR
Free Trade Agreement Category: 8.65% APR
Embassy Category: 12.50% APR
Basic Category: 22.35% APR

I started with $9,037,064,400,000.00.

Shit you're talking about SL's bank? Damn, I need to get in there. All I got are these miserable 109 trillion.

Shit you're talking about SL's bank? Damn, I need to get in there.

We took a gamble and put more than three quarters of our funds in the SL bank and we've been more than successful with the return.

Shit you're talking about SL's bank? Damn, I need to get in there. All I got are these miserable 109 trillion.

That seems implausibly too much without the aide of a bank or something...

Not to mention that Cotland in OCC chat once told me that he hope's "that i go to Iraq and die" then gets all offended when i call him a Eurotrash Eunuch on the offsit forum.

When it's the truth

Your governments are too afraid to fight Islamic Fascism..your country is being over-runned by Islamic immigrants AND YOUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!

Spain even voted for a pro islamic fascist party after being bombed....The Spanish Socialist party!

So Europeans are Eunuchs..they have no balls!!!!
!
So when exactly did I say such horrible things? Got any proof, or are you pulling unfounded accusations out your ass? Cuz I can't remember having said that. If it turns out I did though, then my appologies.
Empire of Cotland..yes but you gave that land away on your own free will. You never "lost" it, you allowed nations such as myself to anexx it. And now you want it back?...its sort of like the French wanted New Orleans back, it makes no sense. Cottish foreign diplomacy seems aggressive and not willing to compromise..if anything EVERY Russian nation should be worried about a country that states they want to take Russia back "one piece at a time"
Shh... *looks around*
You don't see me invading Nerotika do you? Im not evil, TOA is, but your choice really has no affect on me. Yeah Nerotika is basically my Serbia, as Yeltsin sold out the Serbs to the west instead of helping our brothers against NATO and Albanian bastards he helped the NATO...oh well life goes on justice doesn't always prevail, infact in most cases it doesn't.
Here we go again.... *sighs*
We gonna calm down?
Obviously not...
LOL so you're a separatist of Russia. In other words you have no right to claim Russian land cause it's not yours. Your land is Siberia..not Western Russia


This debate isn't heated Lay, just a friendly debate
Yeah, right. Like calling others (read: me) a "Eurotrash Eunuch" (see above quote in this post) is friendly.... And FYI, Norway has no connection with mainland Europe. We're Norwegian, not Euros. There's a reason why we don't want to join the EU.

my $0.02

If anyone needs help making a flag for their "terror" group let me know and I'll help you out there.

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Nation-States/Role-Playing/Quietly...Into%20the%20Night/raf-flag-02.jpg

This is the one that I made for the Red Army Faction (RAF).

Is it just a coincidence your terror group is called that or did you model it on the real Faction/Gang?

Is it just a coincidence your terror group is called that or did you model it on the real Faction/Gang?

No, it's modelled after them.

That seems implausibly too much without the aide of a bank or something...

Thats what I got on NSTracker, ah...with or without a bank 600 trillion is not really plausible so lets just leave it at that.

Thats what I got on NSTracker, ah...with or without a bank 600 trillion is not really plausible so lets just leave it at that.

Ohhh ohhh yeah...that's basically your governmental budget. I think mine is in the 200s. That isn't necessarily your government's savings though, that's what you have on a yearly basis that you run the country with. This $600 trillion is actually what the government has saved in income over the years...

Cotland, I didn't RP the engagment of your SAM's to my planes because from what I read, you were on the major offensive and so all I was doing was returning some missile fire at your troops. Also, even with old sattilite imagery and such that could not have been recent, for all you know those military instillations your attacking could have been traded out with the new policies and become schools for the soviet children or other such public buildings. We have done alot of that with the new policies we have instated, tons of military positions that were used after the revolution were converted into public places like schools, shelters and Soviet public centers for arts and other free thinking associated hobbies (Non-religious of course).

Also another reason I did not RP engagment was because I was trying to post what we had been doing in the past (week?) or so due to your threats. With the increased air defense traffic and ground defense building like the trenchs and such. Anyway, sorry if it confused you or anything. I should have mentioned something so I see where that could have halted progression.

Lastly, Pushka I know you do not want to aide, but do remember where you sit. You traded Cotland territories and so the territories you own are also formerly Cottish. If this is what he does to take back formerly owned territories how will he treat you, another dog of the russian society?

Cotland wouldn't dare, those lands are my motherlands not that I would surrender them even if they weren't. I DO have power to repel Cotland, you don't thats the main difference between you and I. As my forfathers said: "You come to us with a sword and you will die by it."

Ohhh ohhh yeah...that's basically your governmental budget. I think mine is in the 200s. That isn't necessarily your government's savings though, that's what you have on a yearly basis that you run the country with. This $600 trillion is actually what the government has saved in income over the years...

Its been a while my gov't savings should now be over a hundred trillion, of course both numbers 600 and 100 trillion are completely implausible but thats how we roll here on NS.

Heh, oh this is quite entertaining, while you guys duke it out i'll be building up my strength. ;)

Its been a while my gov't savings should now be over a hundred trillion, of course both numbers 600 and 100 trillion are completely implausible but thats how we roll here on NS.

Given the history of Russia in E2 I doubt you'd be anywhere near 100 trillion..we had barely 16 trillion and we were stable for 26 years...

Actually I think you are just throwing out an arbitrary number.

Given the history of Russia in E2 I doubt you'd be anywhere near 100 trillion..we had barely 16 trillion and we were stable for 26 years...

Actually I think you are just throwing out an arbitrary number.

Well, 600 trillion over just a few months do you know how much inflation that would cause? If we are talking about being realistic and all. Hell even if you expand it to getting that much money over several years the inflation would be mad, with 600 trillion of Layartebian dollars out there they'd be worth just about as much as a sheet of toilet paper. Either way, does not matter, my military budget is in the trillions, money is not of any concern.

Well, 600 trillion over just a few months do you know how much inflation that would cause? If we are talking about being realistic and all. Hell even if you expand it to getting that much money over several years the inflation would be mad, with 600 trillion of Layartebian dollars out there they'd be worth just about as much as a sheet of toilet paper. Either way, does not matter, my military budget is in the trillions, money is not of any concern.

SL worked out the bank, not me. I started with an accurate number in my budget and what not which was far, far, far lower, it seems I've made some good investments. But I didn't pull an arbitrary number out of thin air and go "Yeah I have $100 trillion, yeah that's it..." like you did just now. With all the instability you've had I don't see how any surplus is possible...

Cotland, I didn't RP the engagment of your SAM's to my planes because from what I read, you were on the major offensive and so all I was doing was returning some missile fire at your troops. Also, even with old sattilite imagery and such that could not have been recent, for all you know those military instillations your attacking could have been traded out with the new policies and become schools for the soviet children or other such public buildings. We have done alot of that with the new policies we have instated, tons of military positions that were used after the revolution were converted into public places like schools, shelters and Soviet public centers for arts and other free thinking associated hobbies (Non-religious of course).

Also another reason I did not RP engagment was because I was trying to post what we had been doing in the past (week?) or so due to your threats. With the increased air defense traffic and ground defense building like the trenchs and such. Anyway, sorry if it confused you or anything. I should have mentioned something so I see where that could have halted progression.

Lastly, Pushka I know you do not want to aide, but do remember where you sit. You traded Cotland territories and so the territories you own are also formerly Cottish. If this is what he does to take back formerly owned territories how will he treat you, another dog of the russian society?
Yeah, thats okay.I think the RP has the potential to be a very fun RP. First real war RP in ages for me. I'll post the full Cottish ORBAT later today in the war thread. I trust you'll do the same.
Cotland wouldn't dare, those lands are my motherlands not that I would surrender them even if they weren't. I DO have power to repel Cotland, you don't thats the main difference between you and I. As my forfathers said: "You come to us with a sword and you will die by it."
Yeah, me and Pushka has an understanding, not to mention the fact that he surrounds my Siberian Realm on two sides...

Most ridiculous item of the month is not the freak snow-storm we got Friday, no. It is the $0.74 (yes 74 cents) check I received from Sprint (I closed the account in October 2006). Now, do I deposit it and sign "This is so ridiculous, I am depositing this out of spite and humor" or do I just ignore it, I mean it is 74 cents!

SL worked out the bank, not me. I started with an accurate number in my budget and what not which was far, far, far lower, it seems I've made some good investments. But I didn't pull an arbitrary number out of thin air and go "Yeah I have $100 trillion, yeah that's it..." like you did just now. With all the instability you've had I don't see how any surplus is possible...

With so much Layartebian dollars out there I don't see how the value of the Layartebian dollar didn't fall. Also so your savings exceed otherwise the total wealth of your nation (income of its citizens)?

Well lets see my total budget is 109 trillion, thats yearly, thats a lot more money than a nation needs to do just about anything, so a surplus would be existent thats not ever a question.

With so much Layartebian dollars out there I don't see how the value of the Layartebian dollar didn't fall. Also so your savings exceed otherwise the total wealth of your nation (income of its citizens)?

Well lets see my total budget is 109 trillion, thats yearly, thats a lot more money than a nation needs to do just about anything, so a surplus would be existent thats not ever a question.

Im just butting in here cause first off, the Pushkan Empire fell I thought. Like is dissapeared from all sight for quite awhile. How can you have the idea that Pushka could rise and gain all its richs back after so long of being gone. Other nations owned your land, your money was spent so expecting to just come back and recieve a payday would make no sense. If the layartebian empire fell as yours did his money would become worthless, his trillions would be used to test paper shredders and such, if he rises again that would mean another build up of funds. Rescuing the meagor amount left (Less then a million if he were to be gone as long as you) and rebuild the society on that.

Do you honostly expect realism if your saying you rebuilt a federation on scraps of money left over from your former glory, not only that but built a stable army managed to produce weapons, reinstated sattillite contact (Though now its useless but I image you are building more) and also produced a force stronge enough to resist Cotland. The USR was born before you and though we were born broke we used old currencies from leftover empires (All of it almost worthless including pushkan money) and yet we most likely will not manage to resist this cottish invasion. Im sorry but realism does not seem to be in the scope here.

Eh...USR was not born before me and either way, realism in that perspective isn't really vital in NS aka no one cares about it, as I said 600 trillion dollars that Lay has, in RL that would mean loads upon loads of inflation, here it doesn't matter. I will RP my nation as I see fit, its not for you to tell me what I can or can not do. NS has fluid time so everything works.

But if you want a realistic explanation, sure, the revitalization fund established during the first emergence of the Federation was some 40 trillion rubles in cash compiled over a decade, then Voronej was invaded by Cut (while I wasn't here) the fund was transfered to Yakutia as Squrnchelos was starting to fall apart.

As for my army, no one has disarmed it and there is no way it would just magically disappear off the face of the earth so I don't see how you can have a problem there. Infact, if you doubt me how about I show you the strength of my armies by reclaiming some of my old Federation lands back from you? Eh?

Now the reason why you will probably fail against Cot is because of your technology, my technology is vastly superior I will be able to take on Cot and the whole of TOA attempts to invade my nation it would mean a very long and very high casualty war for them and I'd have a pretty good chance of repelling them.

Eh...USR was not born before me and either way, realism in that perspective isn't really vital in NS aka no one cares about it, as I said 600 trillion dollars that Lay has, in RL that would mean loads upon loads of inflation, here it doesn't matter. I will RP my nation as I see fit, its not for you to tell me what I can or can not do. NS has fluid time so everything works.

But if you want a realistic explanation, sure, the revitalization fund established during the first emergence of the Federation was some 40 trillion rubles in cash compiled over a decade, then Voronej was invaded by Cut (while I wasn't here) the fund was transfered to Yakutia as Squrnchelos was starting to fall apart.

As for my army, no one has disarmed it and there is no way it would just magically disappear off the face of the earth so I don't see how you can have a problem there. Infact, if you doubt me how about I show you the strength of my armies by reclaiming some of my old Federation lands back from you? Eh?

Now the reason why you will probably fail against Cot is because of your technology, my technology is vastly superior I will be able to take on Cot and the whole of TOA attempts to invade my nation it would mean a very long and very high casualty war for them and I'd have a pretty good chance of repelling them.

I just find it highly hard to believe you're starting out with that much money. руЯ40t rubbles = $61.704t by your exchange rate...I started out with less than $16t...I can see getting that much after a period at the SL bank but starting out with that much is implausible...

I doubt if you went 1 vs. 6 against TOA you'd come out victorious and even, if by some chance you did it'd be a true phyrric victory, if there was ever one.

Eh...USR was not born before me and either way, realism in that perspective isn't really vital in NS aka no one cares about it, as I said 600 trillion dollars that Lay has, in RL that would mean loads upon loads of inflation, here it doesn't matter. I will RP my nation as I see fit, its not for you to tell me what I can or can not do. NS has fluid time so everything works.

But if you want a realistic explanation, sure, the revitalization fund established during the first emergence of the Federation was some 40 trillion rubles in cash compiled over a decade, then Voronej was invaded by Cut (while I wasn't here) the fund was transfered to Yakutia as Squrnchelos was starting to fall apart.

As for my army, no one has disarmed it and there is no way it would just magically disappear off the face of the earth so I don't see how you can have a problem there. Infact, if you doubt me how about I show you the strength of my armies by reclaiming some of my old Federation lands back from you? Eh?

Now the reason why you will probably fail against Cot is because of your technology, my technology is vastly superior I will be able to take on Cot and the whole of TOA attempts to invade my nation it would mean a very long and very high casualty war for them and I'd have a pretty good chance of repelling them.

Well technically, if I were to change myself to the Nerotikan Empire, yes I would have been born before you. But who cares, I didn't mean anything mean by it I was just saying it that your return would have cost alot of money. Your troops are armed with up to date weapons right? are you to say that those weapons had always been there, you needed to produce the new technology in mass amounts to rebuild the defense you need to pay your soldiers (Unless they are so willing to die for the country they work for free, and I doubt that). Its just a matter of the time you spent away, it might not have been as long as I was thinking but still with NS time it was years upon years. You have to understand where im coming from, its hard to think that a nation could come to rise (Even if it had once before) and be perfectly stable.

The fall of your nation had to do something to the moral of your people, troops and the amount in your banks. Why would people transfer money to other accounts if its basically worthless, the country that produced it does not exist. Unless your money was made of gold or silver it has no value thats like trying to take a piece of USSR money and trying to spend it. Im only comparing realism because you said something to Lay about him not being real.

Also, if were reclaiming old empires why dont I just gear up and begin my own invasions. I mean if by recreating your old nation you get your old banks then I would be rich and able to take back what you (Pushka) own on your northern border as well as the peice of territory Rome owns in the north. I believe I can find my old, old old old old claiming posts.

ok well then I`ll take Taymyria and 167,000 square miles of Yamalia....this should be around 500,000 square miles right? please and thank you.

Wow, I seemed so polite back then...

Explanation of the Hirgizstanian Economic System (from my factbook):

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12442628&postcount=14

Well technically, if I were to change myself to the Nerotikan Empire, yes I would have been born before you. But who cares, I didn't mean anything mean by it I was just saying it that your return would have cost alot of money. Your troops are armed with up to date weapons right? are you to say that those weapons had always been there, you needed to produce the new technology in mass amounts to rebuild the defense you need to pay your soldiers (Unless they are so willing to die for the country they work for free, and I doubt that). Its just a matter of the time you spent away, it might not have been as long as I was thinking but still with NS time it was years upon years. You have to understand where im coming from, its hard to think that a nation could come to rise (Even if it had once before) and be perfectly stable.

The fall of your nation had to do something to the moral of your people, troops and the amount in your banks. Why would people transfer money to other accounts if its basically worthless, the country that produced it does not exist. Unless your money was made of gold or silver it has no value thats like trying to take a piece of USSR money and trying to spend it. Im only comparing realism because you said something to Lay about him not being real.

We definitely don't have that much gold I can tell you that but the gold standard IRL has gone out the window a long time ago so you don't necessarily need the gold standard here. But that was the point I was trying to get at, the fall and changes of "E2 Russia" have been tumultuous, very tumultuous so I can't see how after just coming back, an excess of THAT much...In 1980, when the Republic fell, we were actually in debt $6 or so trillion and through a MAJOR restructuring of the budget and 8 years of much higher taxes (35% vs. 10%) we regained a significant amount of wealth and then common sense with our budget thereafter gave us a surplus of almost 16 trillion by the end of 2005. A lot of things have contributed to this (BISE stockmarket helped), arms sales, the seizure of so much land and their assets. Originally too, in 1980, the Emperor and the new gov't seized all assets of all former leaders of the Republic and many corrupt officials and while we exiled them, we took their money and put it to the debt...



FYI: I uploaded my family coat of arms offline (found it today at my grandmothers' house).

If anyone needs help making a flag for their "terror" group let me know and I'll help you out there.

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Nation-States/Role-Playing/Quietly...Into%20the%20Night/raf-flag-02.jpg

This is the one that I made for the Red Army Faction (RAF).

Sweet

The brotherhood of Nod is the terrorist group within Pantheaa. They were once a government sactioned terrorist group back when the communist ruled Pantheaa. They were probably most famous for bombing the Dome of the Rock in Israel during the Panthean invasion. But now the King has made it his duty to thwart out any know NOD's left inside Pantheaa, so basically Pantheaa deals with inside threats more then outside threats

They're flag...
http://www.ppmsite.com/images/Nod.gif

No, if you're going to bring NOD into EII then it isn't staying just inside of your nation.

Anyways...

E' aye r....

Oh and -

Good God...

Go ahead and start a World War so close to me, now I'm going to have to throw some rocks at everyone :-(

Stupid Rocks...

Why can't we stick to sticks? Hah...pun...

Oh and...

I saw the whole Pushka-Cotland Love love comming...

Yay...