NationStates Jolt Archive

:eek: Yay, I've got the 6000th post!

Yea, thus I fix my own internet.

I let Time Warner deal with there own problems, like allowing some dumb shits to splice into the fiber wire underground and act like they didn't even know the wire was there to begin with when they own the effing thing.

Or fixing a broken down hosting server at there offices.

Or stop being a bunch of shit heads and release a cable box that doesn't suck when you order a damn movie.

Hawdawg: Thread added. 8 miles huh Hawdawg? I'd say it wouldn't take much to close that. Just drop in a few mines, fly aircraft and keep every ship and minesweeper 150 miles away and walla. Using over the horizon targetting you can do a number to the enemy and they'll never get in those straights.

TLS: Dude, the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution were drafted in Philadelphia and signed in the city's Independence Hall. So yeah you started the revolution. Big whoop. Until Saratoga what you started was looking grim. When Boston becomes the center of finance, media, politics, music, and culture in the world then we'll talk. Until then you may bow to the city that is New York and embrace in the fact that our city, alone, if it were a nation, would have the 17th highest gross domestic product in the world. On April 30, 1789 Washington was inaugurated as the first President of the United States at Federal Hall on Wall Street. The Continental Congress under the Articles of Confederation met there, and New York City remained the capital of the US until 1790. It's okay to be jealous I mean, we're a city, you're a large town.

RomeW/ITD: USA lands changed.

RomeW: "I did put New York in control of New Jersey if that means anything." Abomination.

Kreynoria: 6001 :)

I'd like to buy Hidalgo Province (2,231,390,000) for five billion!

If Pantheaa is unable to pay the set price, you will get that province.

@Layatreb: So if i give up my lands in Africa (Camerroon and Sierra Leone) am i gonna be able to keep all of Reptile's lands.

P.S.: Can you TG me your AIM address?

@Cotland: SURRENDER YOUR AIM ADDRESS TO THE RUSSIAN!!!!

1. The straits are 8 miles wide at it narrowest point and would be easy to shutdown. You being friendly and all with Duke Barol really wouldn't matter if I shoot 25 AGM-84 Harpoon Block II's at every ship of yours that headed towards the straits from my Gibraltar stronghold. These missiles can be fired via ship, plane, or VLS. Currents in the straits require submarines to leave via the surface so we would see everyone coming. (Info from Nationmaster.com Encyl.)
Pic of Straits (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Image:Strait-of-Gibraltar-from-Gibraltar-Western-Meditteranean-from-west-panorama-Spain-Morocco-STS039_10064173.jpg)
Gibraltar Map (http://www.classbrain.com/art_cr/publish/gibraltar_color_map.shtml)
Harpoon Block II leaving Jet (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/slamf18.jpg)
Harpoon Block II headed to a ship near you (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/harpmd.jpg)


2. True our economies are tied together in Africa. The bulk of my population and military strength is in Finland, Sweden, Norway and England. So yeah severing ties would hurt the Egypt region hard, but my trade with others would more than make up for the slack. I purchased 200 new platform oil wells and have them all in production in the North Sea with my 500 other existing wells. This combined with the oil and textile industries coming online in Indonesia would definitely prop up my economic standing. Plus I run quite a large trade surplus.

3. You might be able to control the central Med. with your Fleet but Air supremacy would be a different matter.

4. I revert back to what I said earlier about the Anti Ballistic Missile system. I am not saying the system is invincible. I purchased it, the stats are what they are, and that is what I will go on. Plus I have oversaturated the countryside with extra Sites just to increase the overall odds a large portion of incoming ordinance will be intercepted. Hey I have a 9 trillion dollar a year budget plus money I didn't spend for over two weeks and two storefront profits that I utilize for weapon systems. So no my people won't starve, they eat quite nicely actually.


-Hawdawg


1. But you wouldn't be able to go across either (:p)

2. But where will your economy need to most boosting, hmm? Africa, because thats where my armies are. (Also, India will always be the king of Textiles, :D. Over 1 billion cheap laborers in a country with that many resources..)

3. Erm, the Air Force has always been my strongest point(my regular army has always been my weakest point. On the offensive, they are above average. On the defence...*cry*

4. Ok then....

@Layatreb: So if i give up my lands in Africa (Camerroon and Sierra Leone) am i gonna be able to keep all of Reptile's lands.

P.S.: Can you TG me your AIM address?

@Cotland: SURRENDER YOUR AIM ADDRESS TO THE RUSSIAN!!!!

Look under my name here in the post. And yes.

TLS: Dude, the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution were drafted in Philadelphia and signed in the city's Independence Hall. So yeah you started the revolution. Big whoop. Until Saratoga what you started was looking grim. When Boston becomes the center of finance, media, politics, music, and culture in the world then we'll talk. Until then you may bow to the city that is New York and embrace in the fact that our city, alone, if it were a nation, would have the 17th highest gross domestic product in the world. On April 30, 1789 Washington was inaugurated as the first President of the United States at Federal Hall on Wall Street. The Continental Congress under the Articles of Confederation met there, and New York City remained the capital of the US until 1790. It's okay to be jealous I mean, we're a city, you're a large town.



You...fiend...

If you didn't know, Boston was the center of finance, media, politis, music and culture(in the American colonies at least). But then you decided to ally with the Brit's, and so while we starved for freedom you lived rich and mighty for tyranny! So our economy went dooooowwwwnnnn..., and yours went uuuuuuup.

And we are not a large town. MY hometown of Worcester, Massachusetts is a large town(only 50,000). If the Capital of Panama can be considered a city, and it is the SAME size as Boston(if not smaller), then why Isn't Boston?

Which leads me to another topic...

Why do our two cities always fight with each other? It's like a tale of two cities...just not. I mean, other cities that are so close to each other don't fight all the time. Both are very busy port cities, both have large economies(you have a larger one, of course :p), and both have long histories. Boston is known for it's better higher education, healthcare, finance, and high technology, and yours is known for, well, it's sports teams, its businesses, it's tendency to get bombed, for fashion, etc.

Can't we all just...get along?

You...fiend...

If you didn't know, Boston was the center of finance, media, politis, music and culture(in the American colonies at least). But then you decided to ally with the Brit's, and so while we starved for freedom you lived rich and mighty for tyranny! So our economy went dooooowwwwnnnn..., and yours went uuuuuuup.

And we are not a large town. MY hometown of Worcester, Massachusetts is a large town(only 50,000). If the Capital of Panama can be considered a city, and it is the SAME size as Boston(if not smaller), then why Isn't Boston?

Which leads me to another topic...

Why do our two cities always fight with each other? It's like a tale of two cities...just not. I mean, other cities that are so close to each other don't fight all the time. Both are very busy port cities, both have large economies(you have a larger one, of course :p), and both have long histories. Boston is known for it's better higher education, healthcare, finance, and high technology, and yours is known for, well, it's sports teams, its businesses, it's tendency to get bombed, for fashion, etc.

Can't we all just...get along?

Our two cities fight because (A) baseball and (B) jealousy over the N-Y-C :)

Layarteb: Eh, my lands right now are kinda in limbo. I replied to the thread Rome gave (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread...nights+Templars , i dont know the name) and should probably get those back soon.

that said, Im more than ready to bust open the Templar treasury to get some more land. Ill buy Jalisco, Colima, Michoacan, Guerrero, Oaxaca and Aguascalientes provinces from ITD for there listed price if pantheaa doesnt come through. anyone up for any kind of sale, consider me your first and best option. Except for russian territories. Russia sucks.

1. But you wouldn't be able to go across either (:p)



Ah, but your navy needs out, I don't need in.


-Hawdawg

Look under my name here in the post. And yes.

Yeah i can't do that, the forum has been fucking up for a while nobody can access anybodies public info, nowadays everybody just TGs the IM addresses.

Aight, so you just take Cameroon and Sierra Leone away, and i am all set.

@Cotland: SURRENDER YOUR AIM ADDRESS TO THE RUSSIAN!!!!

Njet! Njet! Njet! :p

Just kidding.


It's Cotland1987

Its a deal then ITD i'll take those for 63 billion. Panthea is intresting in tapping into the tobacco, chemicals and petroleum of Mexico. Under Pantheaa the Mexican territories will be a colony, with some democratic rights. Then when Mexico grows and prospers i will pronounce it an offical state of the Panthean Federation


Cotland can have the Hidalgo territory if he wants it though

Damn sorry about being away for so long again. Im getting out of earth II. so lets make this a great war.... ( cotland and new Jyria)

My time on Earth II has been good I must say...

I was hoping you'd stay to rp some rebel faction after the war was officially over and your lands occupied. Oh well.

Actually, I unofficially offered sanctuary to Hans Bek and his followers in a classified underground facility on East Timor, where they can secretly be trained and equipped for a resistance effort.

Who is this Bek?

If he is no one I like...then I might as well invade the East Timor since I am surrounding the East Timor with land lol...

>_> I kid...I kid..but I could...

Since i missed out on the mexico thang . . .
I'd be much olbiged if i could take Cameroon and Sierre Leone off your hands, and the same could be said of all of Zeeland's territories, if ya are truly leaving.

Instead of descending into brutal close combat with Lay over Massachusetts, I'll bow out of this fight with a last parting shot, relating to sports teams.

Better, not exactly. Richer, of course, but a bigger media market, due to historical factors (immigration to Boston hit its peak in the industrial revolution and Irish potato famine, New York never really declined, for example), does not mean you are a better team. Perhaps a conglomeration of better players, but not a better combination.

GO SOX!

Also, to anyone (except Yelm), my two big antartican sections are up for sale. Lets start the bidding at $.50 each

Instead of descending into brutal close combat with Lay over Massachusetts, I'll bow out of this fight with a last parting shot, relating to sports teams.

Better, not exactly. Richer, of course, but a bigger media market, due to historical factors (immigration to Boston hit its peak in the industrial revolution and Irish potato famine, New York never really declined, for example), does not mean you are a better team. Perhaps a conglomeration of better players, but not a better combination.

GO SOX!

The Sox spend almost as much as the Yankees do on their players. Anyone who claims that Steinbrenner has a bunch of bought superstars and Boston doesn't is a hypocrite.

not gonna say anything, stepped out of that battle

As to the whole NG-TLS thing, i'm probably supposed to help my unwritten ally TLS, but Im not entirely sure what I'd do, particularly if someone else allied to me took the other side. For now I'll claim neutrality

RomeW: "I did put New York in control of New Jersey if that means anything." Abomination.

...and here I was thinking you'd like the idea that New York can make the New Jerseyians their slaves...

"I did not intentionally take steriods. Aliens snuck into my room nightly and injected me with that stuff, honestly. I wouldn't lie to congress." -Rafael Palmero aka "The Viagra Man"


Or at least that's how lame his excuse sounded to me.

Big turn off for the sport, I watch college ball instead.

Hook 'em Horns, baby National Champs!!!

-Hawdawg

"I did not intentionally take steriods. Aliens snuck into my room nightly and injected me with that stuff, honestly. I wouldn't lie to congress." -Rafael Palmero aka "The Viagra Man"


Or at least that's how lame his excuse sounded to me.

Big turn off for the sport, I watch college ball instead.

Hook 'em Horns, baby National Champs!!!

-Hawdawg

I liked what Conan O'Brien said on the matter:

"I didn't mean to say 'I never took steriods. Period.' I meant to say 'I never took steroids. Question Mark?'" :D

EDIT:

For all the Bostonians (etc.) crowing about my "New England situation" I have written this:

The Real New England Revolution (http://www.geocities.com/vicendum/therealnewenglandrevolution.html) (with map) (http://www.geocities.com/vicendum/northamerica.png)

It's still in production (meaning it's unfinished) but I figure I'd get started on it.

Ah, but your navy needs out, I don't need in.


-Hawdawg

Dude, you forgot I control the Indian sub-continet(Save the southern lands controlled by Elephantum, but even if he did turn on me, I could still mobalise my fleet). I also control the Red Sea coast of Saudi Arabia, and Syria. The good thing about having such a splintered government over such a large area of land is that if one area gets taken down(I.E. The Technocracy in Carthaginian-controlled Sardinia), the other factions will take it's place. I have like 4 capitals :p.

For all the Bostonians (etc.) crowing about my "New England situation" I have written this:

The Real New England Revolution (http://www.geocities.com/vicendum/therealnewenglandrevolution.html) (with map) (http://www.geocities.com/vicendum/northamerica.png)

It's still in production (meaning it's unfinished) but I figure I'd get started on it.

YAY!

*hug*

Also, it's very historically accurate. New England nearly split from the union more times than the south actually did split :p. It had something to do with the union being corrupt or something...Except for in 1812. We didn't feel like fighting an unjust war. But we got dragged in because the British attacked our land. So we fought back.

Edit: Having the riots start because of a Soccer game seems odd, but wars have been started over sports :D

Linky, Linky


Holy Republic of Hawdawg studies new Superbomber (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437104)


-Hawdawg

Also, to anyone (except Yelm), my two big antartican sections are up for sale. Lets start the bidding at $.50 each
$1.11 each

lay:DOH! dont you just hate it when you Chief of State gets wacked?
tls, rw: i did not mean it that way, its just that that side, is already on the verge of invading my countries and throwing me off of the face of the earth 2. ng and lay and cot already did a "Bush Senior rapes Iraq then pulls out before any more of his bodily juces get spilled" on me, err, but not like that, with Iraq, i mean. Thats just nasty actually. EWWW. :eek: I am still re thinking. but while i know you guys can protect me in the short run, i dont want to be raped by an old geezer (see above metaphore) later on.
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EDIT! SUCKS0rz 4 JU!!! I GOT POST 6029 BIATCHES!!!!

not to sound stupid, which im sure i do, i completly forgot which thread was the war on yelm.

please dont throw anything more at me:( ::tuches forhead and winces::

not to sound stupid, which im sure i do, i completly forgot which thread was the war on yelm.

please dont throw anything more at me:( ::tuches forhead and winces::

"Regaining Old Land"

YAY!

*hug*

Also, it's very historically accurate. New England nearly split from the union more times than the south actually did split :p. It had something to do with the union being corrupt or something...Except for in 1812. We didn't feel like fighting an unjust war. But we got dragged in because the British attacked our land. So we fought back.

Edit: Having the riots start because of a Soccer game seems odd, but wars have been started over sports :D

yes, The Soccer War. (or Guerra de Football if you prefer) Fought between El Salvador and Honduras and while there were other causes, the spark that set it off was a World Cup match played between them. 3000 people wre killed, 6000 wounded and $50 million dollars in damage was caused over the course of the four day war.

The idiocy of mankind never ceases to amaze.

not to sound stupid, which im sure i do, i completly forgot which thread was the war on yelm.

please dont throw anything more at me:( ::tuches forhead and winces::

and " Operation: Apocalypse Rising " but I am drawing a cease fire and pulling out a little bit untill North Germania/TLS/and RomeW + many others end the conflict ( or war that might spawn ) which may be a couple of days.

Also...North Germania is being wierd...I'm sure he has a reason...but I've spoken to him a lot lately on AIM but he hasn't posted yet...

Pushka: Alright I'll send you my screen name via AIM. Both African lands put back into free-claim.

TKT: Alright when you get the lands, let me know and have whomever sign off on it and I'll give it to you. Cameroon and Sierre Leone are free-claim so you don't have to ask for them. I added them to your claims.

Pelep: Of course the shore is nice, after you get away from the industrial areas. I prefer down by Wildwood, that far south, near Cape May. However, Jersey tried to steal our statue so that is good enough reason for war.

Squornshelous: You couldn't be more right about that Steinbrenner comment.

RomeW: You must take into account that I cannot read. I thought you said, "New York is under the control of New Jersey." Been getting up at 0500 and working from 0600 to like 13 or 1400. Sorry so yes that is a good thing!

DB: "layOH! dont you just hate it when you Chief of State gets wacked?" Ummm you do realize there is no feasible way to understand that. Dude slow the F down, use Microsoft Word or something and post coherently.

Pys: In apoc rising just make sure damage from my attacks is posted, particularly the firestorm and the dreamcatchers.

The Lightning Star: Thank you. The reason I had a riot start because of a soccer game is twofold: (1) There is a soccer club in Boston called "the New England Revolution" and felt that would be a great name to call this thing and (2) I felt that the ideological effect of a New England soccer team being able to beat a British soccer team (and Manchester United no less) would be the perfect catalyst for riots. The line of thinking goes, "if we can beat the British at soccer then we can beat them at anything"; and they did.

Besides, I wanted to tie in a reference to "The Shot Heard 'Round The World", and thought soccer just might be the way to do it.

Squornshelous: Ah yes- "The Soccer War". I thought that was funny. "You beat us! So we declare war!". The funny thing about that is that the war didn't actually start until about two weeks after the game where Hondouras defeated El Salvador 1-0 to advance in World Cup Qualifying. The main reason was labour conditions of Salvadorians in Hondouras, but the soccer game is what really got things going.

Oh, and for those wondering who won that war, it was a tie :D

Layarteb: No worries then. 5AM? Wow...I can't remember the last time I got up that early...I've been to bed at 5AM a few times though ;)

*Other Announcements*

On the blessing of Layarteb, I am here to present a new RPing opportunity. It's the colonization of the fictitious continent of Manium, which I've been running since last July. We are going to be going through a huge purge at the end of the week, so there will be a lot of land available (plus there's two other uncolonized continents available). The link for the thread is here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=413824

I hope to see you all there :)

I'm too lazy to make a new thread for this, sooooo:

Offical Orders from the Grand Duke to the Technocratic Council, the Caliphate, and the Suffete

Due to the lack of efficency that our Army has shown, especially during the war with Yelm where we suffered immense casualties, my council of generals and I have decided that the army is to now be grouped in this way(from lowest to highest):

Local Miltias:
Each state of each region shall have it's own militia, which shall be maintained so that there is 1 militiaman for every 20 citizens in times of peace. They are to receive 2 weeks of training when they join, and are to receive 1 week of training every year to keep their skills up. Officers shall be Federal Conscripts(see below). They shall keep their regular job, and they will be payed not in cash but in basic benefits(healthcare). They will receive compensation for any money lost during their 1 week of training each year.

(Skills in combat, from 1 to 10[10 being best and 1 being worst]: 3 in attack, 4 in defence)

Federal Conscripts: Federal Conscripts are to be the bulk of the Federal Army. Their numbers are to be kept at 2 milllion. Every abled bodied man and woman must join the Federal Conscripts once they turn 18 and stay for 1 year, join the civil service, or join a militia. They shall go through 1 month of basic training. If they wish, they may stay in the Conscripts and be promoted to NCO's(they cannot become an officer unless they join the federal reserves). Federal Conscripts receive basic benefits(with a pension added in), and a paycheck of 40,000 Rukles.

(Skills: 5 in attack, 3 in defence)

Federal Reserves:
Federal Reserves are to be an extra group of soldiers that the nation can rely on in times of war, and their numbers are to be maintained at 750,000 at all times. They must all have served at least 3 years in the Conscripts and have been recommended by their officers. They are to undergo 3 months of intermediate training, and get 1 month reviewing their skills every year. Anyone who comes to the Federal Reserves from the Militia shall have their rank automatically reduced back down to Private. They will maintain a main job, and shall only be called into active duty if there is a time of war. The exception to this are officers who choose(or are chosen) to lead a unit in the Militia. Federal Reserve members get intermediate benefits(healthcare, pension, and tax breaks) and a paycheck of 40,000 Rukles, with an added 1,000 for every offical promotion they get(in other words, LT and above) until Colonel(the highest rank a Federal Reserve member can get). If they are an active-duty full time officer, they receive a paycheck of 55,000, and an extra 1,000 Rukles for every promotion until they get to Colonel(after Colonel it's an extra 3,000 for every promotion, and you will loose your colonel). An officer will only be able to be above a colonel if they stay active duty leading the conscripts. If they go back, they will still only be a colonel in the regular reserves.To rise above the rank of Colonel in the Federal Reserves(and above the rank of Brigadier general in the Conscripts), one most join the Federal Shock Troopers.

(skills: 7 in attack, 5 in defence)

Federal Elites:
Joining the Federal Elites is a big step. For one to join, they must have served at least 5 years in the Federal Reserves, making the youngest members 26. Secondly, one must give up any rank and privileges they had in the Federal Reserves. They receive 5 months of advanced training to see if they are worthy. If they pass, they are in the Shock Troopers. These forces, to number at least 250,000 , are the core of the army. They are extremely well trained, and are full time soldiers. They receive advanced benefits(healthcare, pension, tax breaks, and housing). They receive 70,000 Rukles as payment., and receive 1k extra for each promotion they get until Colonel, 2.5k extra for every promtion after that until Lt. General. They get an extra 5k when they receive that position, on top of all the extras they got before. Only Federal Elites can serve as the head officers of all the groups mentioned previously(except for the militia).

(skills: 9 in attack, 7 in defence)

Factional Masters:
If a faction decides that a soldier serving in the federal elite, who is a member of that faction, is "worthy", they can take him once he turns 29 to become a Faction Master.Each Faction can only have 10,000 Masters. Each faction has a different name for their "masters": The Grand Duchy shall call it's masters Ducal Guards, the Caliphate shall call it's Mujahideen, the Sufette calls its Federal Storm Troopers, and the Technocrats shall call theirs Cymeks. Although each shall undergo special training unique to each faction for a year, they must first go through Master Training. This lasts 6 months(the next 6 are faction training). They will be paid 100,000 Rukles each, and will be paid extra for each promotion the same as they would in the Federal Elites. They receive, on top of their factional benefits, master benefits, which include: Healthcare, Pension, no taxes, and housing.

(Skills:
Ducal Guards: 5 in attack, 10 in defence
Mujahideen: 10 in attack, 5 in defence
Federal Storm Troopers: 9 in attack, 7 in defence
Cymeks: 8 in attack, 8 in defence)

The Lightning Star: Thank you. The reason I had a riot start because of a soccer game is twofold: (1) There is a soccer club in Boston called "the New England Revolution" and felt that would be a great name to call this thing and (2) I felt that the ideological effect of a New England soccer team being able to beat a British soccer team (and Manchester United no less) would be the perfect catalyst for riots. The line of thinking goes, "if we can beat the British at soccer then we can beat them at anything"; and they did.

Besides, I wanted to tie in a reference to "The Shot Heard 'Round The World", and thought soccer just might be the way to do it.

Squornshelous: Ah yes- "The Soccer War". I thought that was funny. "You beat us! So we declare war!". The funny thing about that is that the war didn't actually start until about two weeks after the game where Hondouras defeated El Salvador 1-0 to advance in World Cup Qualifying. The main reason was labour conditions of Salvadorians in Hondouras, but the soccer game is what really got things going.

Oh, and for those wondering who won that war, it was a tie :D

Layarteb: No worries then. 5AM? Wow...I can't remember the last time I got up that early...I've been to bed at 5AM a few times though ;)

*Other Announcements*

On the blessing of Layarteb, I am here to present a new RPing opportunity. It's the colonization of the fictitious continent of Manium, which I've been running since last July. We are going to be going through a huge purge at the end of the week, so there will be a lot of land available (plus there's two other uncolonized continents available). The link for the thread is here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=413824

I hope to see you all there :)


I'll be there!

But I'm a bit confused...How do I claim land?

The Lightning Star: I see- you're decentralizing your army. Could work- smaller units are faster ones. The Mongols taught us that :D .

Elephantum: If the Antarctican territories are really going for that much:

Marcus Symmator, an 8-year-old boy on a farm outside of Viterbo, heard the news of the Antarctican auction. The bidding now stood at C0.11 (where C1=US$10), and he had just enough in his allowance to make an offer.

"Daddy. I want to buy Antarctica," said Marcus to his dad Cornelius.

"Oh Marcus. You don't have enough."
"Yes I do! The bidding is at C0.11!"
Cornelius sat in silence for a second. "Well then, go ahead."
"YAY!"
Cornelius then went to his computer to send a message to the Elephanti authorities alerting them of his son's bid. When the message was received, Cornelius told his son, who smiled. "Thank you daddy!"

The bidding now stood at C1.

OOC: The bid now stands at $10 for one of Elephantum's for either the Anarctic Peninsula or the smallest of his Anarctican territories.

I'll be there!

But I'm a bit confused...How do I claim land?

You post in the thread, "I want to be in X location" and I put you on the map (the links to the maps are at the bottom of the first post). You will need to RP your arrival, but the arrival RP does not need to be detailed or fancy- just a thread announcing that you are on the continent.

I shall update the maps tonight :)

You post in the thread, "I want to be in X location" and I put you on the map (the links to the maps are at the bottom of the first post). You will need to RP your arrival, but the arrival RP does not need to be detailed or fancy- just a thread announcing that you are on the continent.

I shall update the maps tonight :)

But how do I tell you what land I want? I mean, the stuff is there, but how do I show where the...stuff is.

And what tech is this, BTW?

TLS I saw that you had a rating system for your guys. Think we should do something like that for all E2 forces and the like, as we have on the defenses sheet or just too complicated? Obviously we need an independent person to do the ratings.

TLS I saw that you had a rating system for your guys. Think we should do something like that for all E2 forces and the like, as we have on the defenses sheet or just too complicated? Obviously we need an independent person to do the ratings.

Yeah, I've had that system for a while. At first I would just say: "My troops are better at attack than defence", but didn't really say how much better. Now that I put up the numbers, people can see it. (Of course, certain soldiers are better at defence than offense, but they are either sucky militia or highly-trained guards).

Yeah, I've had that system for a while. At first I would just say: "My troops are better at attack than defence", but didn't really say how much better. Now that I put up the numbers, people can see it. (Of course, certain soldiers are better at defence than offense, but they are either sucky militia or highly-trained guards).

It's like marvel cards and stuff with the ratings.

The Lightning Star: I see- you're decentralizing your army. Could work- smaller units are faster ones. The Mongols taught us that :D .

Elephantum: If the Antarctican territories are really going for that much:

Marcus Symmator, an 8-year-old boy on a farm outside of Viterbo, heard the news of the Antarctican auction. The bidding now stood at C0.11 (where C1=US$10), and he had just enough in his allowance to make an offer.

"Daddy. I want to buy Antarctica," said Marcus to his dad Cornelius.

"Oh Marcus. You don't have enough."
"Yes I do! The bidding is at C0.11!"
Cornelius sat in silence for a second. "Well then, go ahead."
"YAY!"
Cornelius then went to his computer to send a message to the Elephanti authorities alerting them of his son's bid. When the message was received, Cornelius told his son, who smiled. "Thank you daddy!"

The bidding now stood at C1.

OOC: The bid now stands at $10 for one of Elephantum's for either the Anarctic Peninsula or the smallest of his Anarctican territories.

Awwwwww, I'd feel sad if that little boy didn't get Antarctica...

It's like marvel cards and stuff with the ratings.

lol :D

Urgh my head hurts now... :(

Im realy sorry im just not finding enough time to participate in Earth II. the best i can do is half hearted effort. (also worthy of note. layerteb can you ellaborate to me something.. if some one leaves earth II and then rejoins at a later unspecified date. does that nation retain its persona or can we start afresh....)

sorry that was my pupet state :)

Hawdawg News Note
(HNN)
Stockholm, Sweden

"The little boy that touched the heart of so many has a new friend. Clive Gander came forward today and donated the sum of $1000 USD to the RomeW child for his bid for Antarctica. Mr. Gander telephoned the RomeW embassy this morning and completed the wire transfer before our evening news.

Clive Gander: "I just want the little boy to have something he can dream about. I am sending this money with no strings attached and hope he recieves the land he asks for."

Hawdawg News Note
(HNN)
Stockholm, Sweden

"The little boy that touched the heart of so many has a new friend. Clive Gander came forward today and donated the sum of $1000 USD to the RomeW child for his bid for Antarctica. Mr. Gander telephoned the RomeW embassy this morning and completed the wire transfer before our evening news.

Clive Gander: "I just want the little boy to have something he can dream about. I am sending this money with no strings attached and hope he recieves the land he asks for."

Some obscure Villa in the jungle of India
"Awww, he looks so cuuuute!" said the misterious owner of the Villa. He diled the number for the nearest Roman Consulate, and said, "Give me 700 Krusty Burgers! I mean, give $100,000 to that little boy who wants to buy Antarctica!"

Urgh my head hurts now... :(

Im realy sorry im just not finding enough time to participate in Earth II. the best i can do is half hearted effort. (also worthy of note. layerteb can you ellaborate to me something.. if some one leaves earth II and then rejoins at a later unspecified date. does that nation retain its persona or can we start afresh....)

Whichever you want, that is up to you. We have a lot of players who aren't on every day and they're fine here.

Japan wishes to place a bid of 1,000,000 USD for it to be used as land for a planned out International Research team. We will also cut off a good portion of land for the child to call his own.

We hope we may settle an agreement with the world community.

Japan wishes to place a bid of 1,000,000 USD for it to be used as land for a planned out International Research team. We will also cut off a good portion of land for the child to call his own.

We hope we may settle an agreement with the world community.

The Strange Man in the Villa raises the stakes to 10,000,000 USD and 700 Krusty Burgers!

The Lightning Star (and anyone else inquiring about Manium): To make a claim, you just post in the thread where you want the claim (e.g. like you did "the northwest corner") and I will place it on the map.

A few other things:

-Manium, the continent, has a total land area of 1.2 times the total surface area of Earth (including water).
-Tech Level: all the nations on Manium are modern-tech, but since the tech level isn't entrenched in the rules, the standard for future-tech/modern tech interaction on NS applies- nothing too extreme and nothing that isn't agreeable to everyone else. I may set the level as "nothing more than PMT" since that seems to be the greatest level that the Maniite colonials have achieved, however.
-Some of the landmarks in Manium already have names- in addition to the areas marked on the map, the mountain range in Vastivan territory is called "Durin's Wall", the mountain range that gives my colony its border is the "Augustan Range", and the southern island is called "Sheepfruit Island".

Okay, now that the official stuff is out of the way...

(IC)

(The Roman Free Press)

Marcus Symmator was touched. Ever since the eight-year-old made his bid he has received nothing but praise and affection from all corners of the globe. Politicians have handed him tons of money for his effort, as well as several thousand Krusty Burgers from the Indian Jungle.

"What can I say? We're touched that the world supports my boy," said Marcus' father Cornelius. "Hopefully, Marcus can live his dream and receive Antarctica." Cornelius then continued with a smile, "For now, he's enjoying the Krusty Burgers."

Somewhere in Cotland

"Ten dollars, eh?"

"Yep. The kid offered ten dollars and then the Psykhoticans offered a million. Someone in Carthage replied with offering ten million dollars for the kid to get Antartica."

The man sitting in the chair smoking a cigar blew out some smoke into the dark room, which was only lit up by a few computer screens and a 42" Plasma TV.

"Place an offer for half a billion, and tell the people that if we get it, it is to be transferred to that kid in Rome immediately."

"Yes sir."


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Message to Elephantum

The Pheonix Corporation would like to offer the sum of 500 million USD for the areas in Antartica offered for sale. If we get it, we would like for the area to be transferred to Mr. Marcus Symmator in Viterbo, Rome. The funds will be wired if we get the area. Thank you.

Regards
- Ola Nordmann
CEO, Pheonix Corporation

lay----im using dashes instead of colons to seperate names from comments now, i did not mean to put the smiley face there.

crazy kid and you weirdoes helping him----jw, what is going to happen when he owns a large part of the continent? and just to be an ass

IC:
Interum president who will never have a name-----A HALF BILLION DOLLARS??? Offer 1B NOW!!!!
Foreign Attache to Elephantum---YES SIR!!
Interum president who will never have a name-----Also, if we get it, i want that boy to get a nice size piece on the shore. i do care about world opinion.
Message to Elephantum

The Empire of <insert name here> wishes to buy antartica for 1b USD. We would be very happy if you sold it to us. Please. We would even give a nice size piece to the boy. ::doggy eyes:: Please.





Mesage to Layarteb.

We wish to end the distrust between our two nations. Please accept the gift of The Galapagos Islands as a token of our friendship.

Thank you,
Minister of Foreign Affairs to Layarteb

The Lightning Star (and anyone else inquiring about Manium): To make a claim, you just post in the thread where you want the claim (e.g. like you did "the northwest corner") and I will place it on the map.

A few other things:

-Manium, the continent, has a total land area of 1.2 times the total surface area of Earth (including water).
-Tech Level: all the nations on Manium are modern-tech, but since the tech level isn't entrenched in the rules, the standard for future-tech/modern tech interaction on NS applies- nothing too extreme and nothing that isn't agreeable to everyone else. I may set the level as "nothing more than PMT" since that seems to be the greatest level that the Maniite colonials have achieved, however.
-Some of the landmarks in Manium already have names- in addition to the areas marked on the map, the mountain range in Vastivan territory is called "Durin's Wall", the mountain range that gives my colony its border is the "Augustan Range", and the southern island is called "Sheepfruit Island".

Okay, now that the official stuff is out of the way...

(IC)

(The Roman Free Press)

Marcus Symmator was touched. Ever since the eight-year-old made his bid he has received nothing but praise and affection from all corners of the globe. Politicians have handed him tons of money for his effort, as well as several thousand Krusty Burgers from the Indian Jungle.

"What can I say? We're touched that the world supports my boy," said Marcus' father Cornelius. "Hopefully, Marcus can live his dream and receive Antarctica." Cornelius then continued with a smile, "For now, he's enjoying the Krusty Burgers."

Yes guys, this is okay because it isn't an Earth, it is a RP thingy, and like I've always said, if you are on E2 you are on the whole of NS. So have fun there!

lay----im using dashes instead of colons to seperate names from comments now, i did not mean to put the smiley face there.

crazy kid and you weirdoes helping him----jw, what is going to happen when he owns a large part of the continent? and just to be an ass

IC:
Interum president who will never have a name-----A HALF BILLION DOLLARS??? Offer 1B NOW!!!!
Foreign Attache to Elephantum---YES SIR!!
Interum president who will never have a name-----Also, if we get it, i want that boy to get a nice size piece on the shore. i do care about world opinion.
Message to Elephantum

The Empire of <insert name here> wishes to buy antartica for 1b USD. We would be very happy if you sold it to us. Please. We would even give a nice size piece to the boy. ::doggy eyes:: Please.





Mesage to Layarteb.

We wish to end the distrust between our two nations. Please accept the gift of The Galapagos Islands as a token of our friendship.

Thank you,
Minister of Foreign Affairs to Layarteb

The Empire of Layarteb accepts your gift and wishes to inquire as to the reasoning behind this.

Statement Release from Japan ( and no...NOT PYSCHOTIKA IN EII!!! lol )

As said before, we wish to use this land for international use. It is everyone's land as much it is this little boy's land. With this land, we may keep it a neutral zone for people to go to if another World War breaks out. If were all united with this, we may use all of the bidding funds to build a mega-structure which we'll have our research in. Think of the diseases and cancers and other sicknesses we could cure? We could also raise another fund for this little boy. Japan will also reserve some Indonesian land for the boy if he wishes to have more, it can be his vacation area.

Think of the thousands of lives we could be saving.

-The Emperor of Japan

ooc: the reasons are a: i want to consolidate my land and i will not be able to participate as much next year. b: our two countries have, well, sub-par relationships. i want to fix that. i figured a good way to start is by giving you something you want, and working from there.


IC:
Replying via secure line:
Interum president who will never have a name-----Thast simple, the reason for this is so we can begin to mend the relationship between our two nations.

Statement Release from Japan ( and no...NOT PYSCHOTIKA IN EII!!! lol )

As said before, we wish to use this land for international use. It is everyone's land as much it is this little boy's land. With this land, we may keep it a neutral zone for people to go to if another World War breaks out. If were all united with this, we may use all of the bidding funds to build a mega-structure which we'll have our research in. Think of the diseases and cancers and other sicknesses we could cure? We could also raise another fund for this little boy. Japan will also reserve some Indonesian land for the boy if he wishes to have more, it can be his vacation area.

Think of the thousands of lives we could be saving.

-The Emperor of Japan


We will apportion .25 of the region aquired to scientific reaserch. If any outside groups, including japan, wishes to help, they are more than welcome.

Japan thinks the world deserves atleast half of the region. It could all be used to build some sort of international community of sorts. But we will accept .25 of the region, we hope the more may be " donated " to this cause.

The United Holy Empire of Kreynoria is utterly indifferent to Antarctica. We are sympathetic to TLS, but will remain neutral nonetheless, though definitely pro-Carthage neutral.


I would love to join up in Manium, but I'm already tied up in the Cheese Empire and Age of Imperialism RP's and might join at a later date.

Somewhere in Cotland (again)

The mysterious man in the chair in the dark room lit up by computer screens got the news of the Barolian offer of a billion and was astonished.

"A billion? For that god-forsaken place? Damn it, offer ten billions and set aside ten millions for a trust fund for that kid, just in case."

"Yes sir." the other man said and scurried out of the room.

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Message to Elephantum

The Pheonix Corporation would like to increase its offer to ten billion, and repeat the demnad that if we get it, we would like the land to go to Mr. Marcus Symmator in Viterbo, Rome. Thank you.

Regards
- Ola Nordmann
CEO, Pheonix Corporation

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Message to Mr. Marcus Symmator

The Pheonix Corporation would like to inform you that we wish for you to get your wish for owning Antartica come through, and we have therefore offered a huge amount of money for the area. We would also like to offer you a turst fund which will be available to you whether you get the dream come trough or not. The trust fund will be placed in a savings account in the First Gladiatorial Bank in Rome, where it will stay untill you reach the age of 18. The amount of money transferred will be the equivalent of 10,000,000 (ten million) USD. We wish you the best of luck in the purchase of Antartica.

Regards
- Ola Nordmann
CEO, Pheonix Corporation

OOC: Why am I tempted to go ahead and kidnap this kid....

Not in the mood to read 405 pages, is Iceland taken?

Yes, and you don't have to read 405 pages, its all on the first page.

Pyschotika: Read your discussion about Samurai and wanted to let you know you were dead on. I suggest reading the Book "The Last Samurai", the Tom Cruise movie was based loosely on it. It gives a fascinating look into feudal Japan and the everyday actions of the Samurai. I also have a copy of the Bushido Code and it is an interesting read too. Go to Barnes and Noble and they can hook you up.

-Hawdawg

Hawdawg: I've seen The Last Samurai, verry good movie. And I know it is ironic using GUNs when the real old time Samurai thought that there body and sword were the only true weapons, which is true still today. And I know some of the Bushido code, but if ya got a copy on your computer then it'd be cool if you could E-Mail me it or something...otherwise I am sure there are some sites with copys of it.

First things first:

The Roman Imperial Army (http://www.geocities.com/vicendum/romanarmy.html)

It's like the ancient version only modernized. Tech level is top-flight.

(Note: the land holdings refer to what I have NS-wide. Also, let me know if the army is a godmod- I don't think it is, I just want to make sure)

Hey RomeW impressive as always, but you might want to add more sailors to your ships. Aircraft carriers normally crew 3000+ people.

go to FAS.org and you can pull up stats on any vessel crew requirements, max plane loads, etc.


-Hawdawg

lol what is strange..I looked up Bushido...and I never read it before and I feel like I already know all of it...

Also, I believe my 27th Regiment has been realistic so far. Just Modernized Samurai, but they still have there Samurai Katanas.

Also, damn you Rome....If I had Italy, I would have done the same thing too.....modern version of the Roman empire..>_>

Hey RomeW impressive as always, but you might want to add more sailors to your ships. Aircraft carriers normally crew 3000 people.

go to FAS.org and you can pull up stats on any vessel crew requirements, max plane loads, etc.


-Hawdawg

3,000? Wow. Thanks- I knew they were huge but I didn't know how big. Thanks for the information :)

(I'm still working out a few bugs...)

3,000? Wow. Thanks- I knew they were huge but I didn't know how big. Thanks for the information :)

(I'm still working out a few bugs...)

I know how it is, it took me weeks to get my military where I wanted it.


-Hawdawg

If I were to be true to my roots, I'd have an army of Mercenaries :D

Of course, I'm not in a war yet... :)

It's come to the Triarii...

Yes, your carriers and submarines seem undercrewed.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9429872&postcount=183

We're looking for a neutral party to host the peace conference between Yelm, me, and other warring participants.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9429872&postcount=183

We're looking for a neutral party to host the peace conference between Yelm, me, and other warring participants.

NeoSuun Zhonghua was never actually involved in the war; the conference could be held in Beijing.

Heh, I think I'll add something:

Mercenaries:
Mercenaries: the backbone for every Carthaginian Army since the founding of the republic. Recruited from every corner of the empire, these men and women are always the first into battle. Ranging from Numidian Armored Cavalry, to Punic Infantry, to even Iberian Infantry(although none of Iberia is controlled by Carthage currently, many Iberians live in Numidia and Hannibalia), Carthaginian Mercenaries are very varied. During times of peace, mercenaries are not employed by the army. However, during times of war, mercenaries are all over the place. Up to 3 million mercenaries can be recruited by the Carthaginian Government at all times, and the mercenaries are superb fighters. Their only drawback, however, is that if an invading power offers a very large amount of money(about 5x more than the Carthaginians offer), the mercenaries that are not employed by Carthage will join the invaders.

NeoSuun Zhonghua was never actually involved in the war; the conference could be held in Beijing.

Awesome! I'll post in the thread that you'll let the conference be there.

There is also a down fall to having Mercs:

In real life, they'll run like all hell if it means staying alive. If they think your going into a whacko battle that is too obvious that victory might not even come, they will scram and may infact start working for the enemy side because of how impressed they may become, even for free.

Also, I think this is splendid that were all using our National Uniqueness in Wars now ^_^. Also, a pretty good game to look at if you don't wanna spend all night researching, check out Rome Total War ( just go to the site if you want ). Yea I know...a Video Game..infact...a verry correct Video Game that the History Channel now uses when simulating battles. But they use all of the Unique troops that were ever used by Rome, the Gauls, Brittania, Goths, etc etc etc....all the way to just a bit West of the Urals and to Egypt to the edges of the Seluecid Empire.

Also....I just realized...NG can use multiple styles of troops now lol, he has about 85-90 % of Europe.

DINNER!

There is also a down fall to having Mercs:

In real life, they'll run like all hell if it means staying alive. If they think your going into a whacko battle that is too obvious that victory might not even come, they will scram and may infact start working for the enemy side because of how impressed they may become, even for free.

Also, I think this is splendid that were all using our National Uniqueness in Wars now ^_^. Also, a pretty good game to look at if you don't wanna spend all night researching, check out Rome Total War ( just go to the site if you want ). Yea I know...a Video Game..infact...a verry correct Video Game that the History Channel now uses when simulating battles. But they use all of the Unique troops that were ever used by Rome, the Gauls, Brittania, Goths, etc etc etc....all the way to just a bit West of the Urals and to Egypt to the edges of the Seluecid Empire.

Also....I just realized...NG can use multiple styles of troops now lol, he has about 85-90 % of Europe.

DINNER!


Carthaginian Mercs are different. You see, they are patriots too. They just want...a little incentive, that's all. Carthaginian Mercs fought to the death in many battles.

And Rome: Total War is really innacurate. That's why I use Rome: Total Realism!

w000T

No I didn't say the storyline was accurate, I said the units were pretty accurate.

Mercs

Read The Art of War by Machiavelli. Yes I am correct in the author and title. He did one as well as Sun Tzu. In the time of Machiavelli, the armies were mostly mercenaries. If your enemy gave them just a bit more money than you did, you could find yourself in deep trouble. This book basically says, "Do not rely on mercenaries as they go to the highest bidder." Mercenaries are paid fighters so they'll go with and where the money takes them, never forget this.

Kreynoria']It's come to the Triarii...

Yes, your carriers and submarines seem undercrewed.

I edited the carriers- they now carry 3000 people. Submarines? I thought they could only house 5-10 people (though mind you I'm going by reports on how the Kursk and that other Russian sub was crewed).

I edited the carriers- they now carry 3000 people. Submarines? I thought they could only house 5-10 people (though mind you I'm going by reports on how the Kursk and that other Russian sub was crewed).

5 to 10 people on a sub? Wow dude you are way off. The second Russian sub was a smaller submarine. On the Kursk and other Russian subs they usually operate with a skeleton crew because they have no money and no enlistees. On a US Navy submarine you may find up to 150 sailors. Hell a DSRV rescue sub can hold 24 people in addition to the crew.

www.globalsecurity.org

Or just check out the crew listings on my systems. That's pretty accurate.

Mercs

Read The Art of War by Machiavelli. Yes I am correct in the author and title. He did one as well as Sun Tzu. In the time of Machiavelli, the armies were mostly mercenaries. If your enemy gave them just a bit more money than you did, you could find yourself in deep trouble. This book basically says, "Do not rely on mercenaries as they go to the highest bidder." Mercenaries are paid fighters so they'll go with and where the money takes them, never forget this.

*sigh*

Someone hasn't read much on Carthaginian military history!

*sigh*

Someone hasn't read much on Carthaginian military history!

A mercenary is a soldier who fights, or engages in warfare primarily for private gain, usually with little regard for ideological, national or political considerations.

You can't change the nature of a mercenary. If they don't meet that criteria they aren't a mercenary. That's pretty much the only definition of one you'll find.

A mercenary is a soldier who fights, or engages in warfare primarily for private gain, usually with little regard for ideological, national or political considerations.

You can't change the nature of a mercenary. If they don't meet that criteria they aren't a mercenary. That's pretty much the only definition of one you'll find.

Sure, that's the textbook definition, but if you knew anything about Carthaginian Mercenaries you'd know another one.

Y'see, Carthage had quite alot of land under it's control, and it certainly didn't have enough citizens to maintain a huge army. Therefore, they would recruit mercenaries from their lands. They were all Carthaginians, but there weren't employed by the country in times of peace, right? So they would sell themselves out during peace to bickering kingdoms, but when Carthage said, "I feel like hiring some mercenaries..." they would all flock to the city. Carthaginian Mercenaries never became turncoats. Sure, the occasional individual did, but entire units didn't. Be it because of cultural ties, honoring their contract, or how Carthage constantly managed to chuck out inspiring leaders, the mercenaries always stayed. You know the army that invaded Rome and came this close to wiping it out for good? It was made up of mercenaries. Even when it looked like every single person was going to die, they fought bravely against the Romans(or, in the weeee parts of the campaign, angry Gauls).

*sigh*

Someone hasn't read much on Carthaginian military history!

Yeah, but still, you'll need to pay the mercenaries heavily for them to stick on your side. A mercenary's loyalty extends only as far as their chequebook, and if the money's not coming in, then the mercenaries don't. This means that during economically difficult times you'll be in a pinch to keep your units. You might retain some because they're supposed to be nationalists, but most people don't care for something like that, so if an invader offers them a better sum- which could mean the difference between feeding their families or not- you're in trouble.

Yeah, but still, you'll need to pay the mercenaries heavily for them to stick on your side. A mercenary's loyalty extends only as far as their chequebook, and if the money's not coming in, then the mercenaries don't. This means that during economically difficult times you'll be in a pinch to keep your units. You might retain some because they're supposed to be nationalists, but most people don't care for something like that, so if an invader offers them a better sum- which could mean the difference between feeding their families or not- you're in trouble.

Readith my replyth to Layarteb.

Oh, and BTW, Carthage has always had huuuuuuuuge coffers. And I mean huuuuuuge. So money has never been an issue :D

Yeah, but still, you'll need to pay the mercenaries heavily for them to stick on your side. A mercenary's loyalty extends only as far as their chequebook, and if the money's not coming in, then the mercenaries don't. This means that during economically difficult times you'll be in a pinch to keep your units. You might retain some because they're supposed to be nationalists, but most people don't care for something like that, so if an invader offers them a better sum- which could mean the difference between feeding their families or not- you're in trouble.

Indeed RomeW.

By the way, TLS, it isn't the textbook definition, it is the definition and has been that since 1500 BC when they were first recorded in Ancient Egypt. Razmez II used 10,000 mercenaries during his battles.

Niccolò Machiavelli argued against the use of mercenary armies in his masterpiece The Prince. His rationale was that since the sole motivation of mercenaries is their pay, they will not be inclined to take the kind of risks that can turn the tide of a battle, but may cost them their lives. He believed, logically, that citizens with a real attachment to their home country will be more motivated to defend it and thus make much better soldiers.

You don't have mercenaries you have like guardsmen or something of the like. Sort of like the Minutemen of the American Revolution, in a way.

You know the army that invaded Rome and came this close to wiping it out for good? It was made up of mercenaries. Even when it looked like every single person was going to die, they fought bravely against the Romans(or, in the weeee parts of the campaign, angry Gauls).

I could be wrong, but weren't they also bought off by the Senate? I remember reading about some treachery which was the only way the Romans staved off extinction.

I could be wrong, but weren't they also bought off by the Senate? I remember reading about some treachery which was the only way the Romans staved off extinction.

In the late Roman Empire, it became increasingly difficult for Emperors and generals to raise military units from the citizenry for various reasons: lack of manpower, lack of time available for training, lack of materials, and, inevitably, political considerations. Therefore, beginning in the late 4th century, the empire often contracted whole bands of barbarians either within the legions or as autonomous foederati. The barbarians were Romanized and surviving veterans were established in areas requiring population. The Varangian Guard of the Eastern Roman Empire otherwise known as the Byzantine Empire is the best known formation made up of barbarian mercenaries.

However, for the most part, Rome was sacked by barbarian hordes from all over European, mostly the Germanic tribes, IIRC.

I could be wrong, but weren't they also bought off by the Senate? I remember reading about some treachery which was the only way the Romans staved off extinction.

Nope.

Rome was saved because Hannibal "knew how to gain a victory, but not how to use it" in the famous words of his close friend and trusted general Marhabal.

Indeed RomeW.

By the way, TLS, it isn't the textbook definition, it is the definition and has been that since 1500 BC when they were first recorded in Ancient Egypt. Razmez II used 10,000 mercenaries during his battles.

Niccolò Machiavelli argued against the use of mercenary armies in his masterpiece The Prince. His rationale was that since the sole motivation of mercenaries is their pay, they will not be inclined to take the kind of risks that can turn the tide of a battle, but may cost them their lives. He believed, logically, that citizens with a real attachment to their home country will be more motivated to defend it and thus make much better soldiers.

You don't have mercenaries you have like guardsmen or something of the like. Sort of like the Minutemen of the American Revolution, in a way.

They were still mercenaries. They would still go off and fight for other kings(mostly Numidian ones) during times of peace. Also, if Carthage didn't get to 'em first, then they were open game(one famous example was when Scipio Africanus recruited Numidian Cavalry from a king who had previoulsy been neutral). But once they had been recruited by the Carthaginians, they would stay with the Carthaginians. Cultural ties probably helped alot. None of the mercenaries spoke Latin, very very few of the Romans spoke Punic. They worshiped different gods, etc.

And I agree: citizens made much better soldiers. The problem was: there were too few. In fact, at Cannae, mercenaries basically turned the tide. In fact, no Carthaginian land victory could have been achieved without mercenaries.

They were still mercenaries. They would still go off and fight for other kings(mostly Numidian ones) during times of peace. Also, if Carthage didn't get to 'em first, then they were open game(one famous example was when Scipio Africanus recruited Numidian Cavalry from a king who had previoulsy been neutral). But once they had been recruited by the Carthaginians, they would stay with the Carthaginians. Cultural ties probably helped alot. None of the mercenaries spoke Latin, very very few of the Romans spoke Punic. They worshiped different gods, etc.

And I agree: citizens made much better soldiers. The problem was: there were too few. In fact, at Cannae, mercenaries basically turned the tide. In fact, no Carthaginian land victory could have been achieved without mercenaries.

Sure they were mercs, that's not the point of the argument. The point is that mercs owe their allegiance to the money. If Ram's enemy paid the 10,000 mercs more than he would have been seriously screwed. Relying on mercs was a bad idea for nations in the past and will always be a bad idea.

Sure they were mercs, that's not the point of the argument. The point is that mercs owe their allegiance to the money. If Ram's enemy paid the 10,000 mercs more than he would have been seriously screwed. Relying on mercs was a bad idea for nations in the past and will always be a bad idea.

But Carthage did not fall because it relied on Mercenaries. It fell because of, alas, democracy. You see, like Rome, Carthage was a democracy. It had a senate, there were elections, etc. Unfortunatly, exactly like how in Rome the democracy made it near impossible for anything to get done when there was a massive army in their nation, the same went for Carthage. The problem was, Carthage was too democratic, so the people of Carthage couldn't instate a dictator like Rome. The result? The Suffete(the Carthaginian Senate) panicked, and ordered that Hannibal return to Africa. Without his well-trained army. Result? He fights at Zama with poorly trained citizen infantry(he managed to bring some well trained infantry with him, but his poorly trained elephants backfired. He could have won, but his elephants went crazy and crushed his men.) and looses, thus changing the course of history forever.

But Carthage did not fall because it relied on Mercenaries. It fell because of, alas, democracy. You see, like Rome, Carthage was a democracy. It had a senate, there were elections, etc. Unfortunatly, exactly like how in Rome the democracy made it near impossible for anything to get done when there was a massive army in their nation, the same went for Carthage. The problem was, Carthage was too democratic, so the people of Carthage couldn't instate a dictator like Rome. The result? The Suffete(the Carthaginian Senate) panicked, and ordered that Hannibal return to Africa. Without his well-trained army. Result? He fights at Zama with poorly trained citizen infantry(he managed to bring some well trained infantry with him, but his poorly trained elephants backfired. He could have won, but his elephants went crazy and crushed his men.) and looses, thus changing the course of history forever.

What you are doing is redefining mercenaries and essentially using the name "mercenary" to describe something that isn't. Therein the point of my argument, you can't just redefine something that has been defined as such for the better part of 3,500 years.

I am not sure if anyone reads this but part 5 is up.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434657

I am accepting comments on the thread there and the like.

What you are doing is redefining mercenaries and essentially using the name "mercenary" to describe something that isn't. Therein the point of my argument, you can't just redefine something that has been defined as such for the better part of 3,500 years.

But they were mercenaries. Mercenaries that liked Carthage a rather lot.

Listen, there was not one mass defection in the entire campaign in Italy. There were Spanish, African, and Gaulish mercenaries, but there was not one mass defection. Even though Rome begged and offered huge sums of money, and even when Carthage was loosing, there was not one mass defection. All I'm saying is that your generalisation that all mercenaries won't put their lives down on the line is dead wrong. Sure, later on mercenaries became peasants who needed food so decided to sell themselves as soldiers, but back then mercenaries(at least the ones Carthage hired) were just as good as paid troops(even better in many battles).

In the late Roman Empire, it became increasingly difficult for Emperors and generals to raise military units from the citizenry for various reasons: lack of manpower, lack of time available for training, lack of materials, and, inevitably, political considerations. Therefore, beginning in the late 4th century, the empire often contracted whole bands of barbarians either within the legions or as autonomous foederati. The barbarians were Romanized and surviving veterans were established in areas requiring population. The Varangian Guard of the Eastern Roman Empire otherwise known as the Byzantine Empire is the best known formation made up of barbarian mercenaries.

However, for the most part, Rome was sacked by barbarian hordes from all over European, mostly the Germanic tribes, IIRC.

Some historians believe- and I'm among them- that the average Roman of the late Western Roman Empire (remember, the East survived technically until 1461) was of the type who "couldn't be bothered" to fight. They simply got too comfortable in their villas that they just didn't want to fight. So the Romans turned to the foederatri ("federates"- this is where the term "federation" comes from), or "hired Germans" for help, which backfired on them. The Battle of Adrianople in 378- usually the date set for the start of the period concerning the Fall of the West- occurred because the Visigoths were upset over their treatment by the Romans. Eventually, the situation got so bad that Germans rose up in the Roman ranks, to the point where the Germans were the effective rulers of the West (they couldn't get the official title since they were not "Roman"). This is why Odoacer- Romulus Augustulus' "Master Of Soldiers"- deposed Augustulus, simply because he wanted to be the real ruler of Italy, not just the practical one.

(It should be noted that Augustulus is incorrectly considered the "last Roman Emperor"- the title of "Western Roman Emperor" was recognized until 480, with Julius Nepos- the Emperor before Augustulus (and the Emperor where, in my version, saves the Empire from destruction)- holding the honour to his death, probably at the hand of Odoacer)

Some historians believe- and I'm among them- that the average Roman of the late Western Roman Empire (remember, the East survived technically until 1461) was of the type who "couldn't be bothered" to fight. They simply got too comfortable in their villas that they just didn't want to fight. So the Romans turned to the foederatri ("federates"- this is where the term "federation" comes from), or "hired Germans" for help, which backfired on them. The Battle of Adrianople in 378- usually the date set for the start of the period concerning the Fall of the West- occurred because the Visigoths were upset over their treatment by the Romans. Eventually, the situation got so bad that Germans rose up in the Roman ranks, to the point where the Germans were the effective rulers of the West (they couldn't get the official title since they were not "Roman"). This is why Odoacer- Romulus Augustulus' "Master Of Soldiers"- deposed Augustulus, simply because he wanted to be the real ruler of Italy, not just the practical one.

(It should be noted that Augustulus is incorrectly considered the "last Roman Emperor"- the title of "Western Roman Emperor" was recognized until 480, with Julius Nepos- the Emperor before Augustulus (and the Emperor where, in my version, saves the Empire from destruction)- holding the honour to his death, probably at the hand of Odoacer)


I agree, but I also think Romans got stupid from lead posioning.

I mean, seriously. If you have an entire empire and civilization based on lead, then you're obviously going to kill your people's brains. They drank water from lead pipes, they drank from lead goblets, they played with lead toys, etc. Ever notice how the really smart Romans almost all lived before lead was used in everything? Proof that lead killed the Romans by making them stupid and crazy.

But they were mercenaries. Mercenaries that liked Carthage a rather lot.

Listen, there was not one mass defection in the entire campaign in Italy. There were Spanish, African, and Gaulish mercenaries, but there was not one mass defection. Even though Rome begged and offered huge sums of money, and even when Carthage was loosing, there was not one mass defection. All I'm saying is that your generalisation that all mercenaries won't put their lives down on the line is dead wrong. Sure, later on mercenaries became peasants who needed food so decided to sell themselves as soldiers, but back then mercenaries(at least the ones Carthage hired) were just as good as paid troops(even better in many battles).

It isn't my generalization, it is an observation made by historians, tacticians, etc. Hell even Sun Tzu said it. Mercenaries are not to be trusted. In Italy they did seriously screw a lot of the Medici's.

Layarteb 1294
The Lightning Star 578
Cotland 538
RomeW 465
Elephantum 224

TOP 5 Posters in the THREAD

3,099 posts = 50.8%. Wow scary!

Layarteb 1294
The Lightning Star 578
Cotland 538
RomeW 465
Elephantum 224

TOP 5 Posters in the THREAD

3,099 posts = 50.8%. Wow scary!

w000t! I'm #2!

But Cotland is catching up to me. *Hmmmmm*

I know what to do!

*grabs shotgun, walks out door*

It isn't my generalization, it is an observation made by historians, tacticians, etc. Hell even Sun Tzu said it. Mercenaries are not to be trusted. In Italy they did seriously screw a lot of the Medici's.

I guess that makes the Carthaginians an exception, eh? It pays to have culturally-similar mercenaries(except for the Gauls, but they hated the Romans alot too, so they were similar in that sense), deep pockets, and awe-inspiring generals :D.

I agree, but I also think Romans got stupid from lead posioning.

I mean, seriously. If you have an entire empire and civilization based on lead, then you're obviously going to kill your people's brains. They drank water from lead pipes, they drank from lead goblets, they played with lead toys, etc. Ever notice how the really smart Romans almost all lived before lead was used in everything? Proof that lead killed the Romans by making them stupid and crazy.

A few historians have made that claim- I don't believe it. Considering that the ancients didn't have the tools that we did they suffered from a lot of diseases that we don't- plus, the East survived, and they too used lead pipes.

A few historians have made that claim- I don't believe it. Considering that the ancients didn't have the tools that we did they suffered from a lot of diseases that we don't- plus, the East survived, and they too used lead pipes.

The east was also full of stupid people :D.

Don't you agree that if for many generations, every single day of you and your ancestors life you would consume lead somehow, it would lead to problems?

And I have three words for you: Nero, Caligula, and Commodus.

The east was also full of stupid people :D.

Don't you agree that if for many generations, every single day of you and your ancestors life you would consume lead somehow, it would lead to problems?

And I have three words for you: Nero, Caligula, and Commodus.

Well, that's an opinion both myself and my nation would share :D

Oh, and I don't doubt there were problems- there probably were. However, the late period produced some gems too: Marcus Aurelius, Cassius Dio, St. Augustine, Constantine, etc. So it's not like the late period saw a dearth in knowledgeable people.

If you want an explanation for nero and such, look to the rampant incest. Rampant. Which usually has more side effects than lead pipes. usually.
also, just to bring up the old point, Carthaginian mercenaries really were different than others, in that they all owed fealty to Carthage. they were conquered and as part of carthage, and just paid to make sure they materialized I just wanted that to get put out. And that Machiavelli is a wanker.

Machiavelli - :confused: :mp5: -Me

Side note, Rome: when do you think my old provinces can get transfered back over?if that is gonna happen.

Side note, Rome: when do you think my old provinces can get transfered back over?if that is gonna happen.

Consider them transferred. Sorry I haven't posted in the thread- I've been busy with other things (NS and otherwise).

If you want an explanation for nero and such, look to the rampant incest. Rampant. Which usually has more side effects than lead pipes. usually.
also, just to bring up the old point, Carthaginian mercenaries really were different than others, in that they all owed fealty to Carthage. they were conquered and as part of carthage, and just paid to make sure they materialized I just wanted that to get put out. And that Machiavelli is a wanker.

Machiavelli - :confused: :mp5: -Me

Side note, Rome: when do you think my old provinces can get transfered back over?if that is gonna happen.

Machiavelli is your lord & savior.

also, just to bring up the old point, Carthaginian mercenaries really were different than others, in that they all owed fealty to Carthage. they were conquered and as part of carthage, and just paid to make sure they materialized

That's a little different then. They began assimilated into the military and just kept and paid so that they wouldn't leave. That makes them a little different than mercs at that point. They become part of the military.

How many posts do I have in this thread?

Also.....

I can't wait untill NG is done moving!!!!!!

That's a little different then. They began assimilated into the military and just kept and paid so that they wouldn't leave. That makes them a little different than mercs at that point. They become part of the military.

But not all of Carthage's mercenaries were carthaginians. One example: Numidian Cavalry and Gaulish Warbands. When they were unallied, both sides could get 'em. But after they picked a side(most of time Carthage, but in some occasions Rome) they would stay 'till the end.

But not all of Carthage's mercenaries were carthaginians. One example: Numidian Cavalry and Gaulish Warbands. When they were unallied, both sides could get 'em. But after they picked a side(most of time Carthage, but in some occasions Rome) they would stay 'till the end.

Don't need to be Carthage or not the point is they were assimilated to the military and ceased being mercenaries upon this because they were part of the military.

Don't need to be Carthage or not the point is they were assimilated to the military and ceased being mercenaries upon this because they were part of the military.

Huh...wha...huh?

"Don't need to be Carthage or not the point is they were assimilated to the military and ceased being mercenaries upon this because they were part of the military?"

THAT MAKES NO SENSE!

I DONT KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!

Hey...I'm not sure...but I might be going on vacation this whole week...so yea, I'll post before I leave to verify that I am.

TLS, please respond to the court scene. I can see that you're online.....

The LON has failed in its mission to promote peace and human rights and prevent war. Not enough strong nations joined it to give it the power to intervene in international affairs. Of its few, members, most are apathetic and pay little attention to it. National alliances and loyalties are always more important than the League. Those nations that did wish to intervene in the war between Germania and Carthage felt they had no right to intevene in the crisis. The United Holy Empire of Kreynoria would like to make a proposal to the world. The proposal is that the current LON must be disbanded and replaced by a stronger international governing body. The new UN must be capable of legally intervening in wars, genocides, and other calamities. It must have defined duties and obligations, and must have more members than previously, and the member nations must be more cooperative and dedicated. The duites and obligations of the UN should include:

1. Attempting to negotiate agreements between disputing nations/factions.

2. Providing courts for the trial of war criminals and other notorius international criminals

3. Send peacekeeping forces to unstables nations/regions in order to maintain order and security.

4. Impose economic sanctions or embargoes or other measures upon aggressor nations.

5. Increasing trade between member nations and standardizing tariffs and other mercantile policies.

6. Provide humanitarian aid and relief to regions/nations stricken by war, disease, or other major disasters.

7. Attempt to reduce poverty and hunger in member nations.

8. Keep a state of peace and trust between member nations.

9. Providing military and economic aid to peoples/nations under attack by imperialist powers.

10. Providing funding/aid to national and human progress, such as elimination of AIDS, recycling, protecting and rehabiliating endangered species, or constructing an International Space Station.

A noble cause indeed Kreynoria, but just like the current RL UN this organization will lack any true teeth to enforce anything. Especially if two or three of the 2 billion+ Nations refuse to join. It's hard to "force" large nations to do anything unless a huge overbearing military force is available to huff and puff and blow down the agressor's porch.


-Hawdawg

The Empire is uncertain as to if it likes the proposal. Especially the part where the UN is proposed to be able to boss free sovereign nations around. Therefore the Empire will have no intention to join the new UN.

Regards
Imperial Government of Cotland

*************'

Seriously though. Even if I won't join, I wish the new UN (if it ever becomes a reality) the best of luck. Just don't try to boss me around ;)

Okay I have put the finishing touches on the B-70B Valkyrie II. You stats people take a look at her and tell me what ya think.


-Hawdawg

Superbomber research (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437104)

+++Official Communique+++
"WE can clearly see the need for an international organization dedicated to bringing Justice, Order and Freedom worldwide. After studying the proposals of the new UN The Templars have decided that it offers said potential, and as such the Knight Templars will pledge our official support for its formation."

Grand Master Varus of the Poor Fellow Soldiers of Jesus Christ and the Temple of Solomon.

Offical Statement by the Federal Carthaginian Union(OOC: Yes, I got's a new name :D)

We would gladly join this new group. We believe that the LoN was too weak, and would not help fight for human dignity. In this new union, this "United Nations", we hope that we can decide matters such as this effectively, and maintain peace and order throughout the world.

Offical Statement by the Federal Carthaginian Union(OOC: Yes, I got's a new name :D)

Ah shit. Again?! That makes seven so far this year....

Ah shit. Again?! That makes seven so far this year....

It's the same country though :D

And I'd respond to all these...things, but I really gotta go. Fast.

The LON is just a corrupt idea.

The members with in it will get too much control and support, they'll then get tired of sending there own men to die in order to keep a war under control, then they'll start conquering land under a false banner of World Peace and International Freedoms.

If the strong nations join then this will happen right after the North Germanian/Carthiginian un-wanted war breaks out. The LON will get land hungry and tired of spending millions of dollars and thousands of there own soldiers and tanks and airplanes and etc just to make sure some whacko nation can re-establish a Government and most likely do something crazy again.

Now as for the Diseases and International Space Station, I agree to this. But what is wierd...no one has yet to pay attention to my international resarch facility in Antaractica proposal...the one that will be focused on the ridding of AIDs and other STDs and Cancers and etc, and it would also shelter those from war and would be sought as an untouched land by our bombs and troops. Of course, we'll need certain defences. So this is where I like the LON and there proposed military capabilities. The LON would be allowed to form its own defensive army made out of various troops around the globe, and they would stationed all over the Antarctican land that we hopefully decide to have as the research center/no war land.

I'm just not too shabby with the whole " LON should be able to get involved in wars and send in there own troops! ", because sending in more troops is going to just make any and all wars more destructive and violent, even if it is for peace keepings.

There is no intention of the UN to interfere in the sovereignty of nations. The stated intentions were to provide humanitarian aid to help populations ravaged by war, disease, and famine, to send peacekeeping forces to unstable areas, and to repel imperialists on aggressive expansion campaigns, thus protecting the national sovereingty of other nations.

All NPTO members check the alliance page.

No I meant it as this:

Most likely atleast half of the LON will grow corrupt and want a little incentive out of what they do, aka some land here and there. They'll then get too power crazy knowing that have a huge force to back them up so they can be asses to the populations that are deemed " Agressive ".

I like the LON idea, and if I join it, it'll only be to help with the fight on aids.

And being an Empire won't classify me as Imperialistic will it? Because I have given out more land then I have conquered and am now crammed lol.

I wouldn't expect LON members to blindly send troops to wherever one of their members claims an aggressive people resides. Kreynoria outlines the LON's obligations, but we've yet to discuss the procedures or how decisions would be made. It's probable that some of the members would become corrupt. Even if half did, as suggested, this does not mean they will have complete control of the LON. Surely our own bylaws would prevent that from happening.

Assuming they don't have any loopholes.

(OOC: hey I just realize that since I moved away from Slovakia to Orenberg Oblast that I have Russians living with Slovakians….might make a good ethnic struggle story among Pantheans. With of course the Slovakian minority in control of the government)

IC:

UN, NATO, LON...whatever alliance you come up with will be flawed. You’re always going to have that one nation that attacks other members of the alliance for land, resources, etc. It happen many times in the Roman Confederacy. And that’s why we have the superior Slovakian race co-existing with unintelligent Russian dogs here in Orenberg Oblast!

The other matter comes in forms of punishment. The military government of Pantheaa does not support the idea of sanctions, which create 3rd world conditions and poverty among a populous while the tyrants continue to live in luxury. The UN can be an instrument in created relief….but the opposite is true as well.

I see that the world community has good intentions. But once again its just more empty promises

Head of state-
General Ivan Kerensky

United Federation of Pantheaa

Wow. I just realized that I have a large border to Orenburg oblast.

*pulls out invasion plans*

*beefs up border police presence near Orenburg*

Seriously though, how much do you want for Orenburg? I'm willing to offer up to 3 trillion for it, and/or change Orenburg for Liberia...

Well...I already know my nation will be among the top five nations to " inspect " for the LON lol....

The Caspian-Black Sea Canal is complete. If it isn't on the map, please add it.

The Caspian-Black Sea Canal is complete. If it isn't on the map, please add it.
Aha. And I presume that said canal passes through my territory. How the hell could it have passed through my territory, which is frequently patrolled by soldiers guarding the many radars, missile sites (both SAM and SSM), artillery emplacements and whatnots without me knowing it (unless I have been informed and participated, and just plain forgotten about it)? Please answer that, good sir.

Sorry I've been away. Been quite ill.

IMPORTANT

ALL MESC members report to the Batcave!...erm, I mean the MESC forum, ASAFP. There is one immediate situation, and one slightly less important situation.

Errrrg how did TKT end up with Cameroon???!

That was miiiiine, I had dibs on in since post #5856!!.....

Oh, well, no big loss. Probably my own fault anyway. Does make it look a bit funny, though. I was so close to have a completely contiguous empire...

Errrrg how did TKT end up with Cameroon???!

That was miiiiine, I had dibs on in since post #5856!!.....

Oh, well, no big loss. Probably my own fault anyway. Does make it look a bit funny, though. I was so close to have a completely contiguous empire...

You never posted an acceptance and Pushka gave it to free claim shortly thereafter. It's been vacant since. Sorry buddy.

hehe
well, New Jyria, you can still have it. for money. im not running a charity over here. also, Layarteb, could ya transfer back those territories Rome gave me?

Consider them transferred. Sorry I haven't posted in the thread- I've been busy with other things (NS and otherwise).

This was his post, and these were the territories : Venezia-Friuli-Giulia, Israel and the Vatican
just to lay it all out

Umm...yes...I'm back.

So, what happened? Give it to me in two paragraphs or so, please.

well, TLS and friends are almost at war with NG and co.

Also, one of my big pieces of antartica was supposed to go to you, but you left before accepting it. You can take either one for free. Who had the highest bid on the other pieces?

I did actually accept it...I'll find the exact post in a sec...

EDIT: Linky...just at the top... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9094201&postcount=5307).

ok then, Lay, you mind transferring one of the big pieces to him?

Found this. If you guys want to use it, feel free.

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Other/postcount-smiley.bmp

Just FYI. In The Layartebian Chronicles (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=384916), on Part 38, I have something that pertains to both NS and E2. It is about the Galapagos.

The Velkyan Union: You get the prize for dumbest post since the last guy with a dumb post.

Hawdawg: The Last Samurai was a truely awesome movie. It's on my DVD buy list. Thanks for reminding me.

Kreynoria: The UN idea would really be a good part of our RPs. I mean it would open up more possibilities and allow for more RPs than "I bomb you." I hope it works.

Sparta Dominion: Canals aren't added to the maps, the maps are just the way the territory looks. If we want to do cities and canals and airports that is going to require a LOT of extra work that I am just not going to do, no offense.

Huahin: Well hope you feel better. If you want, I can put you on Vacation Mode until you get better?

TKT: Okay it's done. Congradulations and welcome back in force and full.

Elephantum: Err that was so long ago, which Antarctica was it again?

Antarctica (part) 675,678.80 1,749,999.98
Antarctica (part) 22,000.00 56,979.74
Antarctica (part) 540,543.00 1,399,999.88

That is what you ahve. Which ones do you want me to give him? Should I take you off Decree 13 by the way?

You never posted an acceptance and Pushka gave it to free claim shortly thereafter. It's been vacant since. Sorry buddy.
Oh, there's my problem. From Pushka's statement I didn't think he'd actually agreed to sell it to me, since we hadn't settled on a price or anything.

TKT, I think I'll take that offer. You can name your price.

Message from Carthaginian Government to TKT Government

As an ally of Rome, we ask for your assitance in the coming war against the Coalition. The Alliance of Free Peoples can never have too many members, and nations such as Rome and Carthage have joined this alliance. With your help, we could turn the tide of battle against the Coalition and secure freedom and prosperity for humanity all over the world.

Umm, what's happening?

Umm, what's happening?

TLS and friends want Poland. NG and friends don't want him to have Poland.

Why do they wish to acquire Poland? And is there a thread?

Why do they wish to acquire Poland? And is there a thread?

Yeah its thet Jacqiwuf whatever thread in the RP list.

Reasoning? I'm going to say that they want European land or something of the sotrs but who knows, I never paid that much attention.

I never set out wanting Poland. I set out to make NG make the Poles semi-autonomous and to give them the rights they deserved. NG refused, and the Poles rebelled. Now the rebellious Poles have called for outside assitance, and they have asked to be admitted into the Carthaginian Union as an Autonomous Republic(which is basically what my very de-centralized nation is, a group of Autonomous factions that have control over everything in their area, save the military).

(BTW-I am of Polish decent and of Polish heritage, so this kinda hits closer to home for me. Sure, it's just an online game, but whattaya know? Poles are uber-nationalists, although peaceful ones when they can be, and I guess it flows through me veins!

And if I could, I'd make Poland and independent country. But as we all know, it can't be... Maybe it could become international territory, I.E. for the U.N.)

Yeah the Polish thing I forgot. But yeah autonomous republic is my nice way of saying that I want the territory but I don't want to admit annexation.

Yeah the Polish thing I forgot. But yeah autonomous republic is my nice way of saying that I want the territory but I don't want to admit annexation.

But how else can I make it free? None, I'm afraid. Autonomous republic is the only way I can guarantee Polish rights, without making a puppet-person(which we all know is banned on EII...)

OFFICIAL DECLARATION

After closely studying the word of God and the true nature of the world today, the The Poor Fellow Soldiers of Jesus Christ and the Temple of Solomon have decided to ally ourselves with the noble people of Carthage. Being as such, and recognizing the tyrannical hegemonia North Germania fields over Europe, we officially DECLARE a state of War. While following good christian morals and the accepted rules of War, be it noted that we shall offer no quarter, no respite to those who stand between us and our task. This is our new Crusade.

Grand Master Lucian Varus

Teh ninjas is ranked 1st in the region and 308th in the world for Fastest-Growing Economies.

Just boasting. :)

OOC: W00t, we got a war-starter here :D

Unfortunatly, NG hasn't been on in many a week, so I expect that we will have to wait.

Teh ninjas is ranked 1st in the region and 308th in the world for Fastest-Growing Economies.

Just boasting. :)

Ninjas!

Join our cause for Polish freedom!

*whisper*or else!

Ninjas!

Join our cause for Polish freedom!

*whisper*or else!

Yes, Elephantum alerted me of this. I will offer you the same as I offered him. I will remain neutral, but will allow the leasing of airbases and naval bases in Africa. It's 5 Billion for a 99yr airbase lease, and 10 Billion for a 99yr naval base lease. My territories will harbour damaged vessels, and any personnel from both sides that is injured. I'm not in the fighting mood anyway.

Yes, Elephantum alerted me of this. I will offer you the same as I offered him. I will remain neutral, but will allow the leasing of airbases and naval bases in Africa. It's 5 Billion for a 99yr airbase lease, and 10 Billion for a 99yr naval base lease. My territories will harbour damaged vessels, and any personnel from both sides that is injured. I'm not in the fighting mood anyway.

I'll buy 3 airbases and a naval base!

Yea but you realize there will be many Polish peoples wanting to be a part of NG. Thus there will be Civil War, and thus this is just going to end up like Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Basically:

You'll invade, there will be war sprung up all over the invaded nation's land as everyone else pushes in to weaken the invaded nation, Civil War will pop up in Poland, it'll end up that some nations want something out of it so they try to assimilate some of Poland saying that there here to take care of the people and suddenly keep the land expecting that we all forget about it.

I am going to remain in the thought that this is of a noble cause, but we all know HOW its going to end up....

Lay-Varsola can have either of the bigger pieces, let him pick

You'll probably take the other piece in what TKT just made into a war, considering they're largely empty wastelands

Yea but you realize there will be many Polish peoples wanting to be a part of NG. Thus there will be Civil War, and thus this is just going to end up like Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Basically:

You'll invade, there will be war sprung up all over the invaded nation's land as everyone else pushes in to weaken the invaded nation, Civil War will pop up in Poland, it'll end up that some nations want something out of it so they try to assimilate some of Poland saying that there here to take care of the people and suddenly keep the land expecting that we all forget about it.

I am going to remain in the thought that this is of a noble cause, but we all know HOW its going to end up....

The parts that wanted to stay with NG are already completely under NG control(See: the two northernmost vovoidships and the three vovoidships in the North-east). All NG supporters have already fled to Danzig.

But I agree, forging a free Poland will not be easy...

James is going skydiving today. I'll see you guys later or tomorrow.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=438717

link to the Beijing Conference

Yes, Elephantum alerted me of this. I will offer you the same as I offered him. I will remain neutral, but will allow the leasing of airbases and naval bases in Africa. It's 5 Billion for a 99yr airbase lease, and 10 Billion for a 99yr naval base lease. My territories will harbour damaged vessels, and any personnel from both sides that is injured. I'm not in the fighting mood anyway.

So when I bomb said bases, what will happen?

So when I bomb said bases, what will happen?

Well, technically speaking the air and naval bases are property of the buyers. If you are able to launch a missile from outside our waters to a naval base, and we don't intercept it. We can't do anything about it. If you're within our waters we respond accordingly. The airbases I imagine will be more inland, so the chances of landing a hit would be remote. Naval bases would be your best bet I think. Just make sure your missiles don't hit my territory. :)

I'll buy 3 airbases and a naval base!

Will that be cash, credit, or check?

Will that be cash, credit, or check?

Cash :D

Yohoo, TLS I am shooting at you.

See the Polish thread.


-Hawdawg

Layarteb: Can I have my E2 name changed to "The Union of Roman States", since that's what my nation here is anyway? Thanks.

Well, technically speaking the air and naval bases are property of the buyers. If you are able to launch a missile from outside our waters to a naval base, and we don't intercept it. We can't do anything about it. If you're within our waters we respond accordingly. The airbases I imagine will be more inland, so the chances of landing a hit would be remote. Naval bases would be your best bet I think. Just make sure your missiles don't hit my territory. :)

Just ensuring that if a cruise missile I fire at his base, inside your territory, hits and explodes that base, I don't have a volley of missiles from you coming back at me.

SKYDIVING IS FRIGGIN AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Elephantum: Sure I'll let him tell me, then you just okay it alright? By the way do you want off D-13? What about TKT and war and piece?

RomeW: Sure.

Im as back as I'm ever going to be, so I can be taken off

Question for the allies-do we all have airspace and waters open to other alliance members?

Comment for the EII Public, especially the Coalition- There is a growing movement in the MESC to place an embargo on the coalition. Voting ends on the 26th, and requires 2/3 of the voting members to vote in favor. Currently 4 of the 8 members have voted, and 3 have voted in favor of the embargo. To point out how dangerous this can be, I would like to use North Germania as an example:

Based on real life numbers*, NG produces 2,818,592 barrels of oil a day. However, he consumes 11,628,650 barrels of oil daily. The deficit of 8,810,058 barrels must be imported. Remember that this does not include increased wartime demand. As the MESC controls at least 80% of known oil reserves on the planet, this puts him in a tough spot.

However, you may say, why doesn't he just produce more oil? Say that he decides to become completely self sufficient, and produces only the oil he needs, 11,628,650 barrels a day. At this rate, after 872 days of pumping, he will have used every drop of oil in his nation.

At least one Coallition member, Cotland, has oil to share. But with only 2,828,800 barrels to spare, that is not enough to fill North Germania's gaping deficit.

* www.cia.gov has the world factbook, a great tool. It lists, among other things, the production, demand, and known reserves of oil for every country (and then some) in the world. Ihave used it to calculate that same information for myself and the members of the MESC (except greenmanbry) the system is not perfect, the biggest flaw being when some one does not own all of a territory, but it gives a good picture of the state your nation is in. If other nations want numbers calculated, and dont feel like doing it themselves, just let me know.

Good points Ele. I also have Venezuela and Colombia and the Yucatán so I have a good amount of oil reserves. I think NG does the same as I and stockpiles a LOT of oil. I've been doing so since day one.

Saw what you said about NG. Thats fine, just means it'll be a bit longer before I attack Oman. To Israel and India!

TKT: If you would be seriously open to selling me cameroon, I'll take it for a reasonable price. It would be the puzzle piece that would finally unite my empire ::evil laugh::

I'm back. ooh things are hotting up, I need to choose a side...

::crickets chirping::

It's cooled down now :p

NG isn't going to be back until the 30 somethingth, and I have to control Romes forces ><. I'd bet get reading, he wrote alot...

Im as back as I'm ever going to be, so I can be taken off

Question for the allies-do we all have airspace and waters open to other alliance members?

Comment for the EII Public, especially the Coalition- There is a growing movement in the MESC to place an embargo on the coalition. Voting ends on the 26th, and requires 2/3 of the voting members to vote in favor. Currently 4 of the 8 members have voted, and 3 have voted in favor of the embargo. To point out how dangerous this can be, I would like to use North Germania as an example:

Based on real life numbers*, NG produces 2,818,592 barrels of oil a day. However, he consumes 11,628,650 barrels of oil daily. The deficit of 8,810,058 barrels must be imported. Remember that this does not include increased wartime demand. As the MESC controls at least 80% of known oil reserves on the planet, this puts him in a tough spot.

However, you may say, why doesn't he just produce more oil? Say that he decides to become completely self sufficient, and produces only the oil he needs, 11,628,650 barrels a day. At this rate, after 872 days of pumping, he will have used every drop of oil in his nation.

At least one Coallition member, Cotland, has oil to share. But with only 2,828,800 barrels to spare, that is not enough to fill North Germania's gaping deficit.

* www.cia.gov has the world factbook, a great tool. It lists, among other things, the production, demand, and known reserves of oil for every country (and then some) in the world. Ihave used it to calculate that same information for myself and the members of the MESC (except greenmanbry) the system is not perfect, the biggest flaw being when some one does not own all of a territory, but it gives a good picture of the state your nation is in. If other nations want numbers calculated, and dont feel like doing it themselves, just let me know.

Japanese off shore drilling, and Myanmar drilling.

I somehow posted in someone elses thread 0o some wierd la frenchy foo thing....lol..belonging..to..some..noob..0o

Aye, and I have no less than 600+ wells in the North Sea (I control the North Sea Fields) along with what I am pumping in Northern Norway and in Papau New Guinea. Layarteb has vast oil deposits of which I am sure he wouldn't mind selling to us. Pyschotika has the Indonesian Fields, so we are set in production surpluses.

I currently produce 11,176,200 bbl/day and consume 2,340,750 bbl/day. Which constitutes a 8,835,450 surplus bbl/day. Guys it was a noble thought but cutting off the gas pump to NG won't work. Your economies will suffer and other nations will step in to fill the void.


-Hawdawg

It's cooled down now :p

NG isn't going to be back until the 30 somethingth, and I have to control Romes forces ><. I'd bet get reading, he wrote alot...


Why do I always have to arrive too late to set the world on the slippery slope to war!? :headbang:

The Kingdom of Gyatso-kai requires some assistance...

(OOC: I am new to the NS RP scene and I am trying to find a suitable world for my nation. I wish to know what lands are still availabe to be claimed and how do I go about claiming these lands?)

May the Avatar Spirit be with you.

Master Airbender Aang-kai of the Kingdom of Gyatso-kai

The Allied States of Celtayoshi has returned, after a very much longer than anticipated delay.

(Swears violently at the computer)

Needless to say the problem (spyware and a virus) has been removed and duely destroyed, so Lay you can take me off D13 now, please...

Can someone update me on whats happening?

@Gyatso- Kai: There aren't any lands available right now, but if you talk to someone nicely, you would probably be able to arrange some sort of deal.

Hawdawg the problem is there aren't many countries who can fill the void. As I said, we control over 80% of the worlds supply

The Kingdom of Gyatso-kai requires some assistance...

(OOC: I am new to the NS RP scene and I am trying to find a suitable world for my nation. I wish to know what lands are still availabe to be claimed and how do I go about claiming these lands?)

May the Avatar Spirit be with you.

Master Airbender Aang-kai of the Kingdom of Gyatso-kai
How would you like to have Liberia? All I want in return are two military bases in the country, a NAP and trading rights....

Hawdawg the problem is there aren't many countries who can fill the void. As I said, we control over 80% of the worlds supply
True. But I control some 400 billion square meters of oil and gas reserves in the bottom of the Norwegian Sea, well within Norwegian territorial waters and economic exclusion zone. Those 400 billion square meters are in addition to my Russian oilfields, so I can supply my allies for a long time without problems. Norway is the third largest oil nation, only Russia and Saudi Arabia have more oil reserves.

Elephantum, can you calculate my oil stats?

Krey-you produce no oil whatsoever. Sorry. When I tried to find your demand for oil, East Timor, Midway, Jarvis, Hawaii, and Micronesia are either largely uninhabited in RL or do not have published statistics on cia.gov

Without those, your daily demand is 35,800 barrels daily, still using cia stats. Making estimates based on areas of similar size and population, 71,850 is an estimate for total use daily.

As a MESC member, i feel obliged to offer my services to supply your nation. Elephantum controls the entirety of 3 (Iraq, Kuwait, UAE) of the Arab 5 (Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, UAE, and Saudi Arabia, that control 62.5% of the RL world's oil supply), along with part on Saudi Arabia. Our massive oil surplus can easily meet your demand, if you so wish.

not to mention is EII population so the demand is much more higher.

Boo.

Boo.

OMFG!

*falls over dead*

Anything I missed?

Anything I missed?
Just a couple of wars.......

Actually, when I looked up East Timor's economy on the CIA page, and it said they were starting to drill offshore. I also did an RP that never made it onto the list about Kreynoria phasing oil out of its economy in power plants and gasoline.


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428164&highlight=Kreynoria+Phasing

Cotland, what be yer MSN?

Curses, he would have offered up Wake Island if he wanted to quit. My plans of Pacific domination, momentarily ruined!!!! :( :mad: :headbang:

Sorry. I'm incoherent at times.

Pacific Domination? Heh. My friend, I have a very large Navy (penis wave) and the fact of the matter is, I'm not losing my only link to EII. I used to own South China...

Yes, I know that. And I no I won't be dominating the Pacific anytime soon *curses strongly*.

You know about me? I'm so honored!

;) :p

I'm bored.

And yes Cotland you just forgot about my project, I posted it on this thread.

My country produces oil !!

Orenburg Oblast has over 140 gas and oil deposits


not to mention the gulf of mexico

Squornshelous produces quite a bit of oil, considering that I control most of the Gulf of Alaska, the entire Bering Sea, and the ocean off the north coast of Alaska.

Hey, Sparta, you're bored? Why don't you get involved in the Polish war? I thought you never tired of war?

We have lots of oil

14% of all MESC production
18% surplus
19% Reserves


so bleh

We don't like to use oil.

We use Hydrogen, and Nuclear power, and solar power!

Oil is just for selling to the poor, backwards countries of the world...

Elephantum: Yes you do control a lot of oil. Could you do an oil thing on me and tell me how much I have available that way. I can tell you that the majority of the power in my country comes from hydro, solar, geothermal, wind, and nuclear power. The use of oil in powerplants is very low now. Cars and vehicles still use petrol but figure before this I was importing about 150% (per year) of my actual need so that all went to stockpile :). Perhaps you should do a thread with all the oil stats and I could include it with the OOC stuff, you know if it isn't much trouble. See this link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428164) for my whole oil-dependency reduction program.

TIOR: LOL! Humorous are we?

Sparta Dominion: Start an RP.

FYI
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=384916

See parts 38 onward. In Part 40 I am going to be blaming someone for that one ;).

Elephantum: Yes you do control a lot of oil. Could you do an oil thing on me and tell me how much I have available that way. I can tell you that the majority of the power in my country comes from hydro, solar, geothermal, wind, and nuclear power. The use of oil in powerplants is very low now. Cars and vehicles still use petrol but figure before this I was importing about 150% (per year) of my actual need so that all went to stockpile :). Perhaps you should do a thread with all the oil stats and I could include it with the OOC stuff, you know if it isn't much trouble. See this link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428164) for my whole oil-dependency reduction program.

TIOR: LOL! Humorous are we?

Sparta Dominion: Start an RP.

FYI
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=384916

See parts 38 onward. In Part 40 I am going to be blaming someone for that one ;).


Who will you be blaming, hmmmmmmmmm?

I'm bored waiting for the Polish Thread to start up again...

Maybe I should elaborate a bit more on the Technocrat-Caliph war that totally reshaped my country yet I never actually WROTE...

Here's the link to the thread thing. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9504355)

It sucks right now, since I've only got the Prelude, which is a basic basic overview of the situation. I'll begin writing later.

Who will you be blaming, hmmmmmmmmm?

Someone using supercavs in E2?

TLS, yeah I wish NG would get back so we could have that war.

....I'm verry unhappy....and feel like killing my mother....and I miss my best friend, my dog....could someone just war me or something for the hell of it....I need something to take my mind off of my dog....

well, the mesc members already have their stuff. I kept the stats from them, NG, and Krey in excel sheets. Keep in mind i am only going by CIA stuff, but your nations policies would obviously change the stats to some degree. I'll calculate your stuff, and a list for the entire E2 would be good, and I will probably adapt the MESC sheet for it.

In order to maximize exports, we now produce all power in nuclear, solar, or wind plants. A comprehensive rail network was also set up, enabling one to travel from nothern Iraq to southern Arabia without owning a car. Also, we have programs encouraging use of camels and horses in rural areas, but we still have massive amounts of cars, planes, and ships to fuel, as well as various materials made using petroleum, which are generally the brunt of the demand anyways.

All electric power in Hawdawg is generated by three sources: Nuclear, Natural-Gas Plants, and Solar Farms. Coal-fired or Oil-fired power plants have been offline for many years. Legislation enacted 12 years ago made the license to operate these two styles of plants unprofitable. We have enacted higher fuel-mileage standards for all cars in Hawdawg and require each vehicle in private ownership to pass a mandatory 20 mpg rating yearly. If the vehicle fails, they are impounded, and promptly destroyed ($1000 government compensation check). All large trucks operating on our interstate system are required to use at least a 60 percent Bio-Diesel Blend, and must meet a mandatory 10 mpg rating or face a $500/day operation fee.

All government vehicles (non-military) utilized are required to run on alternative fuel sources (biodiesel, LP gas, etc.) Mass transit in cities is required to run on alternative fuel sources also. In addition to these fuel conservation efforts, citizens are given a 7% income tax break if they turn in 300+ days of carpooling tickets. Research at Cambridge has developed a easy to use Biodiesel at home kit, that is being sold to all Hawdawg citizens that purchase a new Diesel Vehicle at cost. This kit allows for average citizens to convert household cooking grease into usable fuel for there vehicle and/or tractors. Tax breaks are also offered to citizens that purchase a new car every 4 years.

A Strategic Oil Reserve Pool (SORP) has been established in several Salt Domes in England, Finland, Sweden, and Northern Norway. The size of this strategic pool is classified, but I can tell you the local refineries around each location will have adequate supply to run at full capacity for no less than 30 days, under our emergency action plan.

A large portion of the oil we produce is refined into Gasoline and Diesel fuels. We are not willing to release this information, but will admit that with the above conservation methods in place, we will have an adequate supply to meet our needs during this time of crisis.


Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

Lay, I am honoured that you felt the need to highlight my name on page one by puting it in red bold, but honestly, red underlined would do ;)

If i can get the thread for oil stats up and running anytime soon, the individual nations will have the following statistics posted (im using myself as an example)

Production (barrels produced daily)-12,633,050
Demand (barrels needed daily)-2,852,500
Net Production (how many barrels are available for export/needed for import)-9,780,550
Reserves (how much oil is proven to still be in the ground, in barrels)-545,326,445,000
Years of supply (how long this rate could be maintained before you're completely out of oil)-118.3 years

Notes--Elephantum's biggest producer is his Saudi Arabian territory, as well as the second largest demand. India is the biggest source of demand. At current rates, the islands of Bahrain are the first Elephanti territories to be at risk of running dry, which will likely occur in 2012 or 2013. Antarctica is the only Sultanate that does not produce oil. Jordan is the smallest producer, making only 50 barrels daily.

Also, there will be a list showing how much of world supply, demand, reserves, and surplus you have. For MESC members, its the same thing we have there.


Oh and Lay, I really, really, really am back. I don't need to be green anymore.

Note-i have the sheet all set up, and the following nations are done:

NG
Krey
Lay
all MESC members except greenmanbry, although rome and others may need editing


im also using the EIA (Energy Information Administration) in conjunction with the cia site now.

Lay, I am honoured that you felt the need to highlight my name on page one by puting it in red bold, but honestly, red underlined would do ;)

I do not understand, I don't see what you are saying.

Eleph, if you want me to host it on my server let me know. Send me your AIM name through TG or something or e-mail me or something.

Although it will cause me to cry, could Elephantum work out my oil stats for me please?

I have traded Leningrad and Karelia in Russia to Hawdawg in exchange for the remainder of his Norwegian territories. He should confirm here momentarily.

I have traded Leningrad and Karelia in Russia to Hawdawg in exchange for the remainder of his Norwegian territories. He should confirm here momentarily.

Aye, it is true. Cotland gets Northern Norway, and I recieved Leningrad Oblast and Karelia territories.


-Hawdawg

Is Western Europe still under Germanian domination?

Is Western Europe still under Germanian domination?

Boy, almost ALL of Europe is under his control. Only Italy, Scandanavia, and the British Isles(save the coast along the Channel) is fre-err, I mean doesn't belong to him.

And this isn't counting Russia or the Islands in the Mediterranean.

I was just gonna type it up on a Jolt thread, or possibly your forum.

To everyone-If no one minds, I'm gonna go down the list, working down alphabetically, unless you specifically request that I calculate yours (Zeeland this would be a good idea). Marimaia you're next. Lay your stats are:

Production (daily)-6,468,000
Demand-9,314,590
Surplus- (-2,846,590)
Reserves-91,940,000,000
Years of Production-39

You have the 3th biggest production so far, but the 2nd biggest demand, and the 2nd biggest deficit. Luckily there's only 10 nations on the list so far. Your land in Antarctica and the Galapagos are not included, and depend on what you've done with them. For example, my Antarctica is nearly uninhabited, but if you have lots of people down there it might be a serious impact. You did have quite a lot of production throughout the area, but your canadian oil fields offshore do not have the best lifespan, and you can expect them to dry out before 2011. Venezuela is your cornerstone by far, but a lot of places help produce. Complete independence cuts 12 years off the the time you could keep this rate going, but considering the deficit you have, thats not as bad as i thought it would be.


edit-TLS, dont forget greece, macedonia, and that little bit of european turkey (goes off into daydream about taking turkey and creating EII ottoman empire)

Boy, almost ALL of Europe is under his control. Only Italy, Scandanavia, and the British Isles(save the coast along the Channel) is fre-err, I mean doesn't belong to him.

And this isn't counting Russia or the Islands in the Mediterranean.

Yeah, and don't count on him giving up any land. He's very possessive of his "Fortress of Europe".

(goes off into daydream about taking turkey and creating EII ottoman empire)

You'd still need European territory, however :D.

[Shameless Plug]
(1) I have started a factbook for my main nation. You can see it here:

www.geocities.com/vicendum/vicendumspotlightrome.html

(2) Also, for those of you who were following my New England situation, I've finished the story:

www.geocities.com/vicendum/therealnewenglandrevolution.html (Part 1)
www.geocities.com/vicendum/therealnewenglandrevolutionpart2.html (Part 2)[/Shameless Plug]

Marimaia, it could be worse (China's the third RL biggest demand, and you own almost all of it)

Production-3,392,542
Demand- 5,732,000
Net-(-2,339,458)
Reserves- 17,740,000,000
Years left- 14

Going to independence would make you run out in either 2013/2014, although that means the nearly impossible task of keeping production level.


If i calculate yours without you asking, im not gonna post it unless you ask until im done and can do the full sheet. Cotland, updated you, Hawdawg, havent got to you yet.

Rome, I know, but i need turkey so i can have all that turkish-arab infighting

Oh, I should mention that I will be able to post after all when I'm away, so I'll still be active next week.

Rome, is Boston Mayor Thomas Mecino supposed to be Thomas Menino in the 1st part of the New England revolution on vicendum? I wasnt sure if 'twas a typo or it was supposed to be one letter off for some strange reason. If i find more errors I'll post them in public to show your faults to the world. :D

I do not understand, I don't see what you are saying.

*whacks computer*

ah, there we go, problem at my end...

Rome, is Boston Mayor Thomas Mecino supposed to be Thomas Menino in the 1st part of the New England revolution on vicendum? I wasnt sure if 'twas a typo or it was supposed to be one letter off for some strange reason. If i find more errors I'll post them in public to show your faults to the world. :D

Yeah it's supposed to be the real Boston Mayor. I think I have his name right in the second part but not the first :P. I'll change it as soon as I can. Thanks.

EDIT- I have now spent about six hours into my trip. I'm away in Pasadena, TX (near Houston) to help my dad move some stuff (he just got a job down there). Anyway, it's my first time in Texas and the only thing I can really say is, "Everything really is bigger in Texas!" :D

Elephantum: No problem. I would suggest a Jolt Thread, this way I can just put it up on the links for easier and quicker access. Now, with that in mind, not bad. I know mine are different than the numbers say because Iceland is 100% reliance on geothermal. My naval base in Hawaii is also geothermal. Places along volcanic activity rely on geothermal. Ynoga, Dnalkrad, Layarteb, and SEV are all nuclear, wind, solar, and hydro. Oil is only used in very few areas. So that is pretty good. We don't have all that many SUVs in the EOL, we're not into the whole SUV craze, albeit they exist (the cheap ones just at like double the price of an expensive RL one). Schweet I pwnzor! Yeah that is why I acquired Venezuela, oil, oil, oil. I do believe I get some oil from Cot too :).

Celt: LOL time for a new monitor?

EDIT- I have now spent about six hours into my trip. I'm away in Pasadena, TX (near Houston) to help my dad move some stuff (he just got a job down there). Anyway, it's my first time in Texas and the only thing I can really say is, "Everything really is bigger in Texas!" :D

I could have told you that.


-Hawdawg

How Come I'm Not On There?!? How Do I Know Which Earth I'm On?

Your not on a Earth, you just have to ask someone who owns a Earth if you may be on a Earth.

Hey Pyschotika check the Asian map and make sure I have all I am supposed to in Indonesia. I thought I had a few more islands in the chain than the map shows? If not, would you be willing to sell me more?

-Hawdawg

Actually your not supposed to have that Yellow, in Oceanian your supposed to have whats right next to it. Basically I have given you that hole island practically on accident at the same time with intentions to do so lol.

And besides, I purposely crammed my self and now I need to go out and get more land...and I have a Civil War I should be typing about too lol...

Actually your not supposed to have that Yellow, in Oceanian your supposed to have whats right next to it. Basically I have given you that hole island practically on accident at the same time with intentions to do so lol.

And besides, I purposely crammed my self and now I need to go out and get more land...and I have a Civil War I should be typing about too lol...

Well I will make you an offer for Ceram, West Timor, Southern Sulawesi, Sumbawa, Sumba, Flores, Lombuk, and Buru Islands. I am interested in increasing oil, gas, and mining production in the region. I will offer Kreynoria a handsome fee for East Timor if you will sell me these islands. Think it over, I can help finance your portion of the war that is coming. I will TG my offer to you.


-Hawdawg

I could have told you that.


-Hawdawg

:D Yeah, but it really is one of those, "you HAVE to see it to believe it..."

Celt: LOL time for a new monitor?

Me, throw something out, ha, never, i have three computers in here, a Win XP, a Win 95 and a Win 3.1!

HEY!

All Roman Confederacy members please go to the forum now. There is a rather scathing post by me that needs your attention.

Any MESC members that have not voted on the two issues at the polls right now (theres two of you out there), polls close around 8:30 PM Eastern


Also, the Oil desk of the Commerce, Industry, and Trade department would like the following message to be made public.


Due to the recent war and the closure of several major oil markets, lower oil prices will be given to those nations allied against the genocidal Germanians, Japan, Cotland, and Layarteb. Reduced prices will be offered to those who pledge neutrality as well