NationStates Jolt Archive

Upp my population to 870 million please. Thank you.

I'm raising from 1.265b to 1.275b with the addition of the Neuvo Rican lands.

FYI on my site. I still have Land, Sea, and Weaponry to do (246 files)

There's a surprise in a land of lightning.

I know I haven't posted before, but I would still like to join Earth II. Uh, How do I apply exactly? I'm quite confused.

I know I haven't posted before, but I would still like to join Earth II. Uh, How do I apply exactly? I'm quite confused.

Well there is a few territories available for new people reserved strictly for them in South America:

Berkner Island
Brazil (Amapá)
Brazil (Bahia)
Brazil (Distrito Federal)
Brazil (Espírito Santo)
Brazil (Goiás)
Brazil (Maranhão)
Brazil (Mato Grosso)
Brazil (Minas Gerais)
Brazil (Pará)
Brazil (Roraima)
Brazil (Tocantins)
Paraguay
South Orkney Island
Thurston Island
Uruguay

If you want you can claim up one of the big ones (like paraguary or uruguay) and 2 or 3 of the smaller ones.

Otherwise, I don't know what's available elsewhere in the world, to be honest but there might be something here or there. Otherwise, just read the charter on the first page and it'll answer all your questions.

There's a surprise in a land of lightning.

You mean ride the lightning?

Uh, the map seems quite silly to me. All the nations are scattered throughout the globe, makes no sense.

Uh, the map seems quite silly to me. All the nations are scattered throughout the globe, makes no sense.

No different than the colonial empires (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_empires) of the 19th century...that's what I'm going for anyway (without the oppression part).

Uh, the map seems quite silly to me. All the nations are scattered throughout the globe, makes no sense.

Yes you are correct too many people have fractionalized lands. It used to be FAR worse but people have consolidated over time. I've kept most of my stuff pretty well grouped with a minor smidge here or there like in the Indian Ocean or Pacific Ocean.

I added more UAVs to the site to show the full list of what I use:

MQ-1 Predator
RQ-4 Global Hawk
MQ-5 Hunter
RQ-7 Shadow 200
MQ-8 Fire Scout
MQ-9 Reaper
RQ-11 Raven
MQ-12 Pegasus
MCG-13 Switchblade
MQ-14 Firefly**
MQ-15 Zweihänder**
RQ-16 Soaring Eagle**

** denotes not yet in service
red = top secrect IC

No different than the colonial empires (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_empires) of the 19th century...that's what I'm going for anyway (without the oppression part).

Speaking of colonial empires, anyone a fan of Europa Universalis III. I like that game currently playing as Milan and trying to unite all of Italy. I was going to play silicy but then i saw that they were a vassel of Aragon..no way im going to be a puppet state. But yeah fun game, you can play any nation that was around in 1452 and onwards in ANY part of the world. You can explore and colonized new lands, establish trade routes and wage war against others...but just like in RL if you wage war against other nations with no real cause its frowned upon. So yeah realistic!

sooo...seeing that people are asking for pop increases, I guess that means the population freeze is over? In that case up mine to 140,000,000 as I have gained quite a bit of land.

I'd like to have my pop bumped up to 950 million.

LAND OF SIN CONTINUES!

Last three/four posts are all new. Ugo returns at his monstrous best and the plot thickens with Nkosana.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12518130#post12518130

LAND OF SIN CONTINUES!

Last three/four posts are all new. Ugo returns at his monstrous best and the plot thickens with Nkosana.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12518130#post12518130

You know Land of Sin offers absolutely nothing to Earth II or this RP...



































































EXCEPT A BLASTEREDLY GOOD FUCKING STORY!!! GOD I LOVE IT!!!
hahaha got ya ;)

Layartebian Foreign Legion

Active: March 5, 1999
Country: Layarteb
Branch: Layartebian Army
Size: Division (18,432)
Garrison/HQ

Port Saint Joe, Florida (Headquarters)
Umm Sa'id, Qatar (1st Regiment "Crescent Regiment")
Moneague, Jamaica (2nd Regiment "Kaliningradian Regiment")
Panama City, Panama (3rd Regiment "Nueces Regiment")
Panama City, Panama (4th Regiment "Brazos Regiment")
An Nakhal, Sinai Peninsula (5th Regiment "Viking Regiment")
Ennis, Ireland (6th Regiment "Gaelic Regiment")
Kaw, French Guiana (7th Regiment)
Kaw, French Guiana (8th Regiment)
Forestville, Quebec (9th Regiment)

Motto: "For Defense of the Empire..."

In 1995, the Layartebian military was defeated resoundingly in Kaliningrad, the most embarrassing loss for the Empire of Layarteb after 1980. This caused significant uproar back at home. After 15 years of successful conquests, the Layartebian people were more than used to success and at the first taste of defeat, they were more than unhappy. With a vow by the Emperor to never again interfere with Kaliningradian politics, the final Layartebian soldiers withdrew on August 31, 1995. Little happened with the Kaliningradian situation between then, on February 5, 1998, a band of Kaliningradian terrorists hijacked an airliner just after it took off from Dnalkrad City IAP. Though the media caught word of the hijacking, the details of the rescue were never revealed. Polling showed that at the time of the hijacking, the populace widely and overwhelmingly supported a limited military response but nothing that would create a prolonged war. After the successful rescue attempt by Layartebian Black Operations Forces, the public changed their opinion. They overwhelmingly supported military action against Kaliningrad if their terrorists continued to strike at the Layartebian people.

Faced with a quandary, the Ministry of Defense sought to create a foreign legion. The goal was to create an elite unit of soldiers from foreign countries who would fight underneath the banner of the Empire but not be mercenaries out for the highest bidder. The advent of a foreign fighting force would give the Imperial Layartebian Military an option to fight against the Kaliningradians effectively without deploying action Layartebian soldiers, a move which would be seen as highly unpopular. Luckily, the one incident of Kaliningradian terrorism was a single incident and the Kaliningradians never struck again. However, the Layartebian Foreign Legion was not disbanded as it was a highly useful force.

The Layartebian Foreign Legion is composed of Cottish, Eurasian, Hawdawgians, and Hirgizstanian volunteers, as well as Layartebian volunteers. Admission into the Layartebian Foreign Legion is not a cut-and-dry process though and is not criteria for citizenship into the Empire. Only Layartebian volunteers are considered citizens outright, although volunteers from foreign nations may apply for citizenship to the Empire and receive quicker attention than any other applicant since their background check is already done. In "citizenship" cases, the background check is already done and all fees and waiting periods are waived, although the citizenship test is still given and it must be passed. The minimum time requirement before a member of the Layartebian Foreign Legion can apply for citizenship is 3 years of service. Soldiers who are injured can apply by special provision.

Candidates must pass a thorough background check, which is done to ensure that criminals do not venture into the Legion and fight against its purpose. Consequently, training is often described as not only physically hard, but also extremely psychologically stressful. Brutal training methods are frequently used to toughen candidates who must pass rigorous physical tests as well as psychological tests, particularly "SERE" type courses and "torture training." The ranking system for the Foreign Legion is identical to that used by the Imperial Layartebian Army.

Requirements to join the Layartebian Foreign Legion are stringent just as well. Candidates must have a military background and have not received a dishonorable discharge. Candidates cannot have criminal records consisting of one or more felonies and they must be in good standing in their respective home countries. Candidates who have prior experience in special operations forces or paratroopers are given preference and all candidates must swear allegiance to the Layartebian cause/mission. Desertion is a serious crime that is strictly and severely punished. However, since it is a "volunteer" force, resignations are accepted although there are certain guidelines offered. Of all of the candidates, some 60% are recruited and the remaining 40% go through an application process.

Of the 18,432 soldiers: 5,529 are Layartebian, 2,048 are Cottish, 2,048 are Eurasian, 3,950 are Hawdawgian, and 1,280 are Hirgizstanian.

If anyone is interested, I still have 3,577 slots open. I don't know if anybody out there would like to put some of their citizens in the Layartebian Foreign Legion but let me know...

But Lay, that still doesn't offer anything for EII or this RP :rolleyes:

If anyone is interested, I still have 3 more regiments open. I don't know if anybody out there would like to put a regiment of their citizens in the Layartebian Foreign Legion but let me know...

I dont understand why your breaking your Foreign Legion into seperate areas based on troop country of origin. My Crimson Legion (The USR Foreign Legion) Accepts all types of soldiers into the USR army from all nations and recognizes them as soviet citizens and not citizens of their orginal country as we basically wipe their identity and give them a new one. Like the French Foreign Legion I think this way is best for a military branch based from soldiers around the world.

I dont understand why your breaking your Foreign Legion into seperate areas based on troop country of origin. My Crimson Legion (The USR Foreign Legion) Accepts all types of soldiers into the USR army from all nations and recognizes them as soviet citizens and not citizens of their orginal country as we basically wipe their identity and give them a new one. Like the French Foreign Legion I think this way is best for a military branch based from soldiers around the world.

The concept of the Layartebian Foreign Legion is a lot like the French Foreign Legion, which was originally started because foreigners were forbidden to enlist in the French Army after the July Revolution in 1830. Now I'm still just laying it out but most likely the regiments will be mixed as well, it's just for now that it's all organized accordingly. The basing options are also not 100% yet and subject to change. It's been on paper for a while now as "1 Division, Layartebian Foreign Legion" and I'm finally getting around to organizing it. Members of the Layartebian Foreign Legion are not actually Layartebian citizens unless they are Layartebian themselves, of which there will be about 30 - 35%.

The concept of the Layartebian Foreign Legion is a lot like the French Foreign Legion, which was originally started because foreigners were forbidden to enlist in the French Army after the July Revolution in 1830. Now I'm still just laying it out but most likely the regiments will be mixed as well, it's just for now that it's all organized accordingly. The basing options are also not 100% yet and subject to change. It's been on paper for a while now as "1 Division, Layartebian Foreign Legion" and I'm finally getting around to organizing it. Members of the Layartebian Foreign Legion are not actually Layartebian citizens unless they are Layartebian themselves, of which there will be about 30 - 35%.

Well, I would enlist people into your forces but im guessing soviet citizens wouldn't be treated as good as others what with the whole GSO-TOA thing going down. But we can assume soviet citizens are "escaping" the USR and joining foreign leagions in hopes they could fight against this "Revolutionary" government of the USR.

Also the USR people shall hereby be knowen by their republic of origin, if you see me say something about Kirovians, Permians or somthing else along that line I am still speaking of Soviet people, its just that im enacting new policies to give identities to these people other then soviets.

Well, I would enlist people into your forces but im guessing soviet citizens wouldn't be treated as good as others what with the whole GSO-TOA thing going down. But we can assume soviet citizens are "escaping" the USR and joining foreign leagions in hopes they could fight against this "Revolutionary" government of the USR.

Also the USR people shall hereby be knowen by their republic of origin, if you see me say something about Kirovians, Permians or somthing else along that line I am still speaking of Soviet people, its just that im enacting new policies to give identities to these people other then soviets.

Well it depends. The Layartebian Foreign Legion was formed to counter the Kaliningradian threat and none other. Since that threat vanished they are more or less a quasi-inactive force that would fight where the Layartebian people wouldn't appreciate to go. A war against the USR wouldn't be a bad "thing" in the eyes of the Layartebian people so they wouldn't really need to send the Foreign Legion there to fight, the Army would.

Well it depends. The Layartebian Foreign Legion was formed to counter the Kaliningradian threat and none other. Since that threat vanished they are more or less a quasi-inactive force that would fight where the Layartebian people wouldn't appreciate to go. A war against the USR wouldn't be a bad "thing" in the eyes of the Layartebian people so they wouldn't really need to send the Foreign Legion there to fight, the Army would.

I said hopes, oh well. Either way, I never really thought the Empire and the USR had relations bad or good same with a few other countries like Hirgistan and Ottoman (Khaimf?). really the only countries that have even remotly recognized us as being on this planet are GSO members and I would think cotland because if he didn't recognize us he wouldn't have taken the time to basically warn us about his taking of the three territories.

LOL, I was looking at some screenshots from BF2142 and I thought you guys might get a laugh out of this one.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8627/screen002oy9.th.png (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen002oy9.png)

My friend Duster was driving this jeep and it randomly rose up to a wheely and got stuck without getting distroyed. He drove around for quite awhile like that and we even got some people in it, I didn't get a pic of that though.

EDIT: To make this relavent to EII, concider this a picture of a USR soldier having fun with a jeep...:p

I said hopes, oh well. Either way, I never really thought the Empire and the USR had relations bad or good same with a few other countries like Hirgistan and Ottoman (Khaimf?). really the only countries that have even remotly recognized us as being on this planet are GSO members and I would think cotland because if he didn't recognize us he wouldn't have taken the time to basically warn us about his taking of the three territories.

Well actually the general John Q Layartebian doesn't think about the USR at all, to be honest. I wouldn't call the USR in the crosshairs of the Empire at all, I guess that came out really wrong. What I probably should have better said was that the government does not officially recognize the USR as a state, being so it wouldn't, if it had to, hold much back in attacking the USR.

LOL, I was looking at some screenshots from BF2142 and I thought you guys might get a laugh out of this one.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8627/screen002oy9.th.png (http://img172.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen002oy9.png)

My friend Duster was driving this jeep and it randomly rose up to a wheely and got stuck without getting distroyed. He drove around for quite awhile like that and we even got some people in it, I didn't get a pic of that though.

EDIT: To make this relavent to EII, concider this a picture of a USR soldier having fun with a jeep...:p

Wheelie!!!!

ok I wanted to create a new weapon with the power of an atomic or nuclear weapon, BUT I dont know if it is possible. In theory it sounds stable, sorta but if it were acutally built and tested the question is would it blow or just fall out of the sky.

This is a secret IC project but I want some input on it before I begin producing it. This would also provide some info for a prototype test on it.

Basically it is a bomb comprised of gasses, Oxygen (Pure) but the other gases I am not exactly sure about. I was thinking Nitrogen and Carbon (Eh I forgot how to spell the next word). But mainly explosive gasses. Concider an oxygen tank under extreme pressure, it explodes right? Well put a flame to Nitrogen and you get a similar effect and so I was thinking of combining the gasses into three sectors inside a compression chamber which would be the bomb shell. The gasses would compress all at the same time and would be ignited by a single flame providing the needed explosion.

Its a rough Draft but im thinking if I went around and studied around I would be able to get this to work in theory.

ok I wanted to create a new weapon with the power of an atomic or nuclear weapon, BUT I dont know if it is possible. In theory it sounds stable, sorta but if it were acutally built and tested the question is would it blow or just fall out of the sky.

This is a secret IC project but I want some input on it before I begin producing it. This would also provide some info for a prototype test on it.

Basically it is a bomb comprised of gasses, Oxygen (Pure) but the other gases I am not exactly sure about. I was thinking Nitrogen and Carbon (Eh I forgot how to spell the next word). But mainly explosive gasses. Concider an oxygen tank under extreme pressure, it explodes right? Well put a flame to Nitrogen and you get a similar effect and so I was thinking of combining the gasses into three sectors inside a compression chamber which would be the bomb shell. The gasses would compress all at the same time and would be ignited by a single flame providing the needed explosion.

Its a rough Draft but im thinking if I went around and studied around I would be able to get this to work in theory.
It would have to be massive in order to obtain the yield of a nuke.

ok I wanted to create a new weapon with the power of an atomic or nuclear weapon, BUT I dont know if it is possible. In theory it sounds stable, sorta but if it were acutally built and tested the question is would it blow or just fall out of the sky.

This is a secret IC project but I want some input on it before I begin producing it. This would also provide some info for a prototype test on it.

Basically it is a bomb comprised of gasses, Oxygen (Pure) but the other gases I am not exactly sure about. I was thinking Nitrogen and Carbon (Eh I forgot how to spell the next word). But mainly explosive gasses. Concider an oxygen tank under extreme pressure, it explodes right? Well put a flame to Nitrogen and you get a similar effect and so I was thinking of combining the gasses into three sectors inside a compression chamber which would be the bomb shell. The gasses would compress all at the same time and would be ignited by a single flame providing the needed explosion.

Its a rough Draft but im thinking if I went around and studied around I would be able to get this to work in theory.

As far as I am aware, the only thing that would get you close enough to the blast potential of an atomic munition is a thermobaric munition. Thermobaric bombs have amazing blast and overpressure potential, which is what makes an atomic bomb so deadly (aside from the radiation). The Daisy Cutter & MOAB are two of the biggest examples and both us ANFO but ANFO is weak in terms of explosive power for military demolitions. PETN is 1.66, RDX is 1.60, Semtex is 1.66, C-4 is 1.34, TNT is 1.00 (for this scale), and ANFO is 0.42. HMX is 1.70. Thermobaric bombs (fuel-air explosives) have amazing potential. The shoulder-fired SMAW-NE (thermobaric) leveled an entire building in Iraq and thermobaric-equipped GBU-24s and AGM-114s have actually turned caves inside of mountains into little more than nothing. If you want a massively powerful, conventional explosive, the best way to go is a thermobaric warhead. I forgot to mention that the TOS-1 Buratino had a thermobaric warhead that really tore up Chechnya in 1999.

yeah, but I am going for is something the likes have never been seen. A weapon in its own catagory, my own contribution to EII. It would be a massive sized bomb but if it were created out of these gasses and such it could go off and distroy a city then right afterward I could send troops in without fear of chemical catamination in the air.

yeah, but I am going for is something the likes have never been seen. A weapon in its own catagory, my own contribution to EII. It would be a massive sized bomb but if it were created out of these gasses and such it could go off and distroy a city then right afterward I could send troops in without fear of chemical catamination in the air.

See the thing is conventional explosives can't take out a city. There's 18,700 lb. of H-6 (primarily RDX) [only 1.35x more powerful than TNT though) in the MOAB and it only has a blast radius of 450 yards. It's so huge only a C-130 can carry it. Now if you fill it with a thermobaric munition I don't know what the blast radius will be (a balls amount more) but not enough to demolish a whole city. What you're describing is, more or less, a thermobaric munition.

Although its effect has often been compared to that of a nuclear weapon, it is only about one thousandth the power of the atomic bomb used against Hiroshima: it is equivalent to around 11 tons of TNT, whereas the Hiroshima blast was equivalent to 13,000 tons of TNT. However, the MOAB bomb's yield is comparable to the smallest of nuclear devices, such as the M-388 Davy Crockett.

To put it into proportion of conventional vs. atomic.

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Nation-States/LDC/Air/ah101.htm

This is the AH-101 Mayan. It's based off the AH-2 Rooivalk, which can be sustained by a single medium transport helicopter and four groundscrewmen. It is a cheap and very capable attack helicopter that is meant to work in the harshest of environments. The AH-101B Mayan is identical to the AH-2 Rooivalk except it uses more powerful engines and its weights are different. It is available for export as the AH-101B Mayan. The AH-101A Mayan is used exclusively by my Foreign Legion and won a toss up between it and the Ka-50 Hokum only because it has 2 people and can work in more broad enviornments. It was a close race...

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Nation-States/LDC/Air/ah101.htm

This is the AH-101 Mayan. It's based off the AH-2 Rooivalk, which can be sustained by a single medium transport helicopter and four groundscrewmen. It is a cheap and very capable attack helicopter that is meant to work in the harshest of environments. The AH-101B Mayan is identical to the AH-2 Rooivalk except it uses more powerful engines and its weights are different. It is available for export as the AH-101B Mayan. The AH-101A Mayan is used exclusively by my Foreign Legion and won a toss up between it and the Ka-50 Hokum only because it has 2 people and can work in more broad enviornments. It was a close race...

Im running the Ka-50 in my military, I find it does not need to be updated so I might as well leave it..

It's a fine attack helicopter and is massively improved over the Mi-24 Hind. The Mi-28 Havoc is pretty good too but the Rooivalk is where I went :).

The Empire is still looking for 1,777 volunteers for the Layartebian Foreign Legion. All applicants please see your local Empire :).

New York International Auto Show
http://www.autoshowny.com/

Where I'll be today...My website will have pictures later on tomorrow or this week...

Do Peterbilt have an exhibition there?

Operation Kael; Status: Engaged

Well, it's been a good run here on Earth II...well, nationstates as well. Yet, some times you just got to know when you have...well I don't know where I'm headed with this statement.

Anyways, despite some 'bussyness' today and tommorow, I shall make some meagre posts in Operation Sunfall. So yea, been fun guys.

Wait wtf you're leaving? Bah....just bah. Can I get your land or will Nero get first dibs?

You're leaving Pys? That sucks. I've got dibs on your Russian Siberian territories though!

a pity that you had to go Pys,....anyways I got dibs on Indonesia!

You're leaving Pys? That sucks. I've got dibs on your Russian Siberian territories though!

Ah screw that, I got dibs on that or Nero, or Panth, let us hear what he has to say first. Im sure he'll want to keep his land in the GSO.

I got dibs on Australia, GLORY TO THE CONFEDERACY

Ah screw that, I got dibs on that or Nero, or Panth, let us hear what he has to say first. Im sure he'll want to keep his land in the GSO.

No screw that. You asked if you could get dibs, I called dibs. There's a difference [yeah, I'm grasping for straws here ;)]. Anyway, I'll contend any claim to his Siberian territories if he indeed is leaving E2. He's pulled one of these before, yet he fooled us...

Real sorry to see you go Pys...we'll miss you and you RP's I'm sure. Good luck in whatever your up to.

Wait, Pys I didn't understand from your statement. You going or staying? I'd rather you stay but if you are compelled to go, I'm not here to force you or anything...

I got dibs on Australia, GLORY TO THE CONFEDERACY

You're about to engage in a war with GSO and be wiped out....but okay spread your forces.

Aw, Pys, we've had a long and storied interaction. If you have to go, then it's a shame. At least I knew vaguely what the state of play in eastern Asia was with us basically owning the place.

Well, if you are going, then I would like to put my name down for Japan, Laos, Thailand, Myanmar, Cambodia and India (Manipur, Nagaland). At least with me in charge of it, it won't be getting nuked/invaded/whatever anytime soon (plus it would just about finish me off land-limit wise).

If you're not going, then jolly good.

I'd like join this RP... what should I do???

Wait wtf you're leaving? Bah....just bah. Can I get your land or will Nero get first dibs?

You're leaving Pys? That sucks. I've got dibs on your Russian Siberian territories though!

a pity that you had to go Pys,....anyways I got dibs on Indonesia!

Ah screw that, I got dibs on that or Nero, or Panth, let us hear what he has to say first. Im sure he'll want to keep his land in the GSO.

I got dibs on Australia, GLORY TO THE CONFEDERACY

No screw that. You asked if you could get dibs, I called dibs. There's a difference [yeah, I'm grasping for straws here ;)]. Anyway, I'll contend any claim to his Siberian territories if he indeed is leaving E2. He's pulled one of these before, yet he fooled us...

Aw, Pys, we've had a long and storied interaction. If you have to go, then it's a shame. At least I knew vaguely what the state of play in eastern Asia was with us basically owning the place.

Well, if you are going, then I would like to put my name down for Japan, Laos, Thailand, Myanmar, Cambodia and India (Manipur, Nagaland). At least with me in charge of it, it won't be getting nuked/invaded/whatever anytime soon (plus it would just about finish me off land-limit wise).

If you're not going, then jolly good.

I would love to tell you guys that you could start RP'ing for the stuff but until Psychotika makes himself much more clearly then it'll be done. As usual, first come, first serve, contestations are all the fun. If he does say that he'll be leaving then I'll go back to his original post and begin from then on so you won't have to fight for it all again. Like I said though, the more contestation, the more fun.



I'd like join this RP... what should I do???

Well there is a few territories available for new people reserved strictly for them in South America:

Berkner Island
Brazil (Amapá)
Brazil (Bahia)
Brazil (Distrito Federal)
Brazil (Espírito Santo)
Brazil (Goiás)
Brazil (Maranhão)
Brazil (Mato Grosso)
Brazil (Minas Gerais)
Brazil (Pará)
Brazil (Roraima)
Brazil (Tocantins)
Paraguay
South Orkney Island
Thurston Island
Uruguay

If you want you can claim up one of the big ones (like paraguary or uruguay) and 2 or 3 of the smaller ones.

Otherwise, I don't know what's available elsewhere in the world, to be honest but there might be something here or there. Otherwise, just read the charter on the first page and it'll answer all your questions. I hope it helps.

It's nice to know that they allow travel between the North & the Republic. It didn't used to be that way right?

To All Who I Am Currently RPing With:

I will be in Dublin from Tuesday to Thursday, thus I won't be able to RP anything during that time.

No, they always allowed travel, even during the worst times. There was a visible border back then though, with checkpoints etc on both sides. That stopped in the late 90's. No border now though, just a straight drive. Gotta remember to change currency, stupid fucking Euro.

No, they always allowed travel, even during the worst times. There was a visible border back then though, with checkpoints etc on both sides. That stopped in the late 90's. No border now though, just a straight drive. Gotta remember to change currency, stupid fucking Euro.

Ah that I did not know. Well at least one thing, Ireland benefitted the most from the European Union so that's a plus :).

Yeah, in some ways. But our main trading partners remain the USA, which is the biggest, and the UK. So without the EU we'd be doing just fine. With it there is a bigger trade network, but a crap currency. Ireland used to have a currency called the 'Punt', which was usually around 0.95 Irish Punt to £1.00 GBP, i.e. it was very strong compared to other currencies. So when the shitty Euro came in everything went up in price and everything in Ireland costs more now. However, the growth of the economy and real wage values has meant those higher costs don't have much effect, whereas in the rest of Europe, where they're economies are shite, they have a big problem because everything is so expensive but they're salaries are shrinking due to poor economic performance and rising taxes.

Economics, I'm afraid, is where my knowledge banks are pretty poor but thanks for the quick lesson.

By the way, Land is done and updating now...Weapons remaining (114 :()

LOL, I don't really know economics myself, but I do try. The Economist is great as it explains the basics quite simply. Plus I also like learning about the economic booms in India and China, so just by reading stuff about that you begin to understand economics better.

You're leaving Pys? That sucks. I've got dibs on your Russian Siberian territories though!

If it was once controlled by Psy then it goes to a GSO nation. Nero or Pushka..i don't want it. I don't want any land where i would freeze my ass off

Alright land stuff is fully up and armor stuff is reworked and what not accordingly.

You're leaving Pys? That sucks. I've got dibs on your Russian Siberian territories though!

Well He told me about this, I didn't think it would be this soon but I did mention that I would look after some of his territories for him (Siberia and maybe some more, I can talk to him cause I need to hang out with him anyway, oh and Pys if you read this you need to call me 4:20 is rolling up soon and we need to chill.) Anyway I am likwise confused as Lay because he talked about the future for Japan in this GSO-TOA conflict brewing up so I dont know if he's dipping out now or if he's waiting for this obvious world war to brake out so he can have one last hoorah (Thats what I would do, after all. Once this is over one side will prevail and the other will die out meaning is TOA wins the GSO will be crushed and all its members will probably be forced out leaving EII in a state of one sidedness).

Basically what I am trying to get at is, the USR contest all Japanese territories until futhur notice, if Pys leaves I will fight to protect the Japanese honor from the likes of the TOA's grimely little hands.

EDIT: I do trust Mari though, and I think most of everyone does as well. I can see Mari uniting all of Asia under his rule, that would be nice for one continent (Almost that is) to be united instead of devided like the rest of the world is.)

And I'll help, GSO was created so TOA won't have that territory.

Sorry to hear you're leaving Psy. :(

And the inevitable land grab.

I think it's only fair that Kamchatskiy should go to me. It was part of Squornshelous since when I joined Earth II.

Pys is member of GSO, if he leaves and someone tries to attack his land that means that someone is attacking GSO, thus there you have it.

EDIT: I do trust Mari though, and I think most of everyone does as well. I can see Mari uniting all of Asia under his rule, that would be nice for one continent (Almost that is) to be united instead of devided like the rest of the world is.)

Thanks for that, Nero. I admit that I'd love to see an EII world map with a huge red blob where the nations of eastern Asia used to be. Anyhoo, just keep in mind that Pushka does have a somewhat 'special relationship' with the UER; I understand that you guys want to keep everything in the GSO, but it's not like I'd use the territories against you or allow them to be used against you. I do believe that Pushka would still be able to have his Pacific Fleet sailing out of Japan (according to our treaties and such).

Of course, this entire discussion is moot unless Pys is actually leaving.

Thanks for that, Nero. I admit that I'd love to see an EII world map with a huge red blob where the nations of eastern Asia used to be. Anyhoo, just keep in mind that Pushka does have a somewhat 'special relationship' with the UER; I understand that you guys want to keep everything in the GSO, but it's not like I'd use the territories against you or allow them to be used against you. I do believe that Pushka would still be able to have his Pacific Fleet sailing out of Japan (according to our treaties and such).

Of course, this entire discussion is moot unless Pys is actually leaving.

As long as its not in the possession of a TOA nation or TOA lackey Im fine, Mari you'd be the perfect choice yeah. On the bright side of things although it is sad to see Pys go at a time like this this also means that a rather large portion of my fleet charged with protecting Japan can now go to Mexico and Yemen, Mexico for obvious reasons, Yemen to make sure that Hirgizstan City burns

Umm...Cape Verde is on the other side of Africa, in relation to Yemen.

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As long as its not in the possession of a TOA nation or TOA lackey Im fine,...............

That's plum inciteful.

Just for that, I will BUY Okinawa from whomever ends up with it for a sum that is just staggering, inquire as to the amount (Hint: It is larger than the GDP of many nations.) After all Japan was a Hawdawg possession until Pyschotika and I did some trading for it.

As far as Pyschotika, sorry that you feel the need to leave. Life sometimes deals us cards that we must play, sometimes we must fold alas that is what its all about. If you must leave remember to keep your powder dry and your spirits up. If you are staying, congrats on confusing the hell out of everyone again, lol.

-Hawdawg

Umm...Cape Verde is on the other side of Africa, in relation to Yemen.

I know, still not that far of a trip, plus its not inland so it'd be hard for you to intercept my ICBMs especially if they are fired from only a few hundred miles away that would basically be 2-3 minutes before they hit their targets it takes about ten on average (did for US during Cold War anyways) to get the info, get it up the chain of command and do something about it.

That's plum inciteful.

Just for that, I will BUY Okinawa from whomever ends up with it for a sum that is just staggering, inquire as to the amount (Hint: It is larger than the GDP of many nations.) After all Japan was a Hawdawg possession until Pyschotika and I did some trading for it.

As far as Pyschotika, sorry that you feel the need to leave. Life sometimes deals us cards that we must play, sometimes we must fold alas that is what its all about. If you must leave remember to keep your powder dry and your spirits up. If you are staying, congrats on confusing the hell out of everyone again, lol.

-Hawdawg

Oh yeah sorry for not liking TOA too much, you assholes are only about to start a war with me. If Japan ends up in possession of a TOA nation it wouldn't be a long shot to get GSO to unite and take that land back, it is infact GSO land. Btw incase Pys leaves Im claiming Japan. Haw you also got some editing to do in the Sunfall thread, my boats coming near your SOSUS system in the whole of Pacific Ocean and your SOSUS detecting them those chances are damn minimal and you catching them and tracking them is just bullshit. So where you have it.

That's plum inciteful.

Just for that, I will BUY Okinawa from whomever ends up with it for a sum that is just staggering, inquire as to the amount (Hint: It is larger than the GDP of many nations.) After all Japan was a Hawdawg possession until Pyschotika and I did some trading for it.

As far as Pyschotika, sorry that you feel the need to leave. Life sometimes deals us cards that we must play, sometimes we must fold alas that is what its all about. If you must leave remember to keep your powder dry and your spirits up. If you are staying, congrats on confusing the hell out of everyone again, lol.

-Hawdawg

And I will offer a good amount for Iwo Jima.

Oh yeah sorry for not liking TOA too much, you assholes are only about to start a war with me. If Japan ends up in possession of a TOA nation it wouldn't be a long shot to get GSO to unite and take that land back, it is infact GSO land. Btw incase Pys leaves Im claiming Japan. Haw you also got some editing to do in the Sunfall thread, my boats coming near your SOSUS system in the whole of Pacific Ocean and your SOSUS detecting them those chances are damn minimal and you catching them and tracking them is just bullshit. So where you have it.

And what makes you think that I don't have all your bases covered with SOSUS listening stations? All major channels are covered by my system including all ports in and around Japan. This was all installed after the MacBee's fiasco with that little island in the SW Pacific. I covered my butt because I didn't want a fleet sneaking up in me un PNG ad Fiji (Pyshcotika eased one in on my close to PNG w/o me catching it.) SOSUS is cheap considering the alternative of having a fleet parked off your coastline pummeling your land forces.

-Hawdawg

Okay so you're saying that you have SOSUS inside my territorial waters? Are you shitting me?

Btw I'll claim Iwo Jima as well if he leaves and doesn't give away his land to people.

I don't have stuff in your territorial waters, but close enough to monitor your coming and going from your naval installations. Without going into too much detail, I have a group of statisticians that have used historical data from your fleet departures to determine the best locations to place listening devices to track your vessels. Through years of tracking your departures we have kept a deep file on what your ships are up to. Now to the second part, yes your subs left at tactical speed. But the thing that I read into the post was they all left in a hurry and more importantly they all left TOGETHER. If they left base one at a time they would probably slip by, however when you decided to launch them together the combined noise generated would register on underwater listening devices. Now if they all didn't depart together, that would warrant some changes.

I've owned Sakhalin for only a few months, you haven't RPed placing your SOSUS systems. More so where are hundreds upon hundreds of kilometers to cover, ask Lay he will tell you, for a modern nuclear sub traveling at tactical or below tactical speeds to be detected it has to come very close to SOSUS sensor.

In addition, I have a shitload of civilian and military traffic in the area thus a lot of interference, plus eh, they have a special mission the likes of which was never carried out before, they have a different route.

I've owned Sakhalin for only a few months, you haven't RPed placing your SOSUS systems. More so where are hundreds upon hundreds of kilometers to cover, ask Lay he will tell you, for a modern nuclear sub traveling at tactical or below tactical speeds to be detected it has to come very close to SOSUS sensor.

In addition, I have a shitload of civilian and military traffic in the area thus a lot of interference, plus eh, they have a special mission the likes of which was never carried out before, they have a different route.

I placed my listening stations out to monitor naval traffic from the major ports ages ago. I haven't RP'ed placing the SOSUS system on the sea bed, but I haven't RP'ed every single military decision I have made. The weakness was exposed in the New Caledonian incident and I addressed the problem. Go back and read your post, you said all that six left at the same time bearing the same heading and speed. I will grant you one submarine could leave undetected, but six would carry a definite signature that could be picked up via hydrophone. True commercial traffic would mix noise into the system that "white noise" works both directions. Make no mistake about it EVERY vessel has a signature, technicians that set and listen to hours of data after training for months to earn the position of SOSUS operator can tell the difference between a fishing trawler and a nuclear reactor powered submarine. Are you telling me that your naval traffic doesn't travel the same routes as commercial traffic? If it were me I would stay close to the shipping lanes to help mask my entry and exits from port.

-Hawdawg

Still bullshit, those six subs are not making anywhere enough the amount of noise for your sensors to pick up unless they came close enough to your sensors and a possibility of that happening is very, very small. So yeah, its bullshit. In any case even if you caught one contact that you somehow by magic recognized as a submarine and decided to investigate (instead of investigating a hundred of other stronger contacts Im sure you've made) the possibility of you continuously tracking that pack is basically non existent, so cut the bullshit, edit your post. Where exactly does your SOSUS net end or does it cover every inch of the Pacific like it had to in order to catch my subs?

http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12528820&postcount=88

Hope this settles something.

Still bullshit, those six subs are not making anywhere enough the amount of noise for your sensors to pick up unless they came close enough to your sensors and a possibility of that happening is very, very small. So yeah, its bullshit. In any case even if you caught one contact that you somehow by magic recognized as a submarine and decided to investigate (instead of investigating a hundred of other stronger contacts Im sure you've made) the possibility of you continuously tracking that pack is basically non existent, so cut the bullshit, edit your post. Where exactly does your SOSUS net end or does it cover every inch of the Pacific like it had to in order to catch my subs?

I am going to bed because I have to be at work early in the morning. The facts remain I have an established SOSUS network in and around your operations area (no I am not going to divulge the exact locations of each and every station so you can go after them). I will give you a hint, check your commercial sea lanes and the repeated tracks your naval vessels make to and from port (I am watching you). I have been monitoring yours and Pyschotika's naval traffic for some time, especially upon your return to Earth II. Six submarines traveling together can and would be heard especially if they are moving together. I never identified them as OHIO Class Boomers, in fact if you read my post the Captain of the HOBO stated in his comments that he had been sent on many wild goose chases before by many a SOSUS operator. I didn't specify a particular vehicle type I just stated the Petty Officer assumed it was a submarine signature. I believe Lay posted something in the Sunfall thread, if you would like to argue some more you will have to wait until tomorrow.

-Hawdawg

Well its Cadiz class not OHIO...alright whatever as long as this doesn't hamper my plan. Although I would like for you to show me the post there you atleast state that you extended your SOSUS network to cover Sakhalin. I started up my own SOSUS network ages ago (like 2 years I think), it covered most of Antarctic, the coast of California which I owned at that time and several other places that I can't remember, so if you never stated that you extended your network yet now claim that it was infact extended simply due to time it existed, hell I guess my own SOSUS is already covering most of the North Pacific just looking at the amount of time that it was around.

Well, since it looks like I'll have some competition for Japan if Pys is leaving, I'd better get the fleets out ready for the little hop from Korea, huh? Oh, and I'll also warm up the Eastasian airforce which conveniently has facilities directly west and south of the Japanese islands.

Pushka, first you have no issue with me claiming Japan because I'm not in TOA and I'm hardly going to let them station any forces there, yet now you're going to claim Japan because it's GSO land. So would we end up at war if I go through with my intentions? Hell, I'd be giving up land that I already have in order to be able to keep Japan, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand and Myanmar if I'm lucky enough to get them. Uniting eastern Asia would be a very big thing for me and would open up a lot of RP possibilities for me, yet others are treating Japan as just another commodity in the continuing GSO-TOA dispute.

Meanwhile Pys is probably laughing his head off at the fluster he's caused with one vague post.

You can have Japan, I'd have no problem with it, as I said thats just less land that my forces have to protect but I can not allow it to fall to TOA, if you can keep yourself away from selling it or trading it off then sure, if not well yeah I guess its war, sorry to say.

You can have Japan, I'd have no problem with it, as I said thats just less land that my forces have to protect but I can not allow it to fall to TOA, if you can keep yourself away from selling it or trading it off then sure, if not well yeah I guess its war, sorry to say.

Of course I can keep myself from selling it or trading it, how often have you actually seen me give/sell/trade land since I came here? The only land that would be given/sold/traded away would be the territories that I need to get rid of so that I can claim Japan, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar and Thailand.

Just so that everyone is clear, this would mean that the following territories would become available, should the claims be successful:

My part of Indonesia (North Maluku)
Sabah and Sarawak (the part of Malaysia on Borneo)
Brunei
India (Arunachal Pradesh, Bihar, Uttaranchal)
Nepal

I'm also dropping my initial interest in India (Manipur, Nagaland) simply because it's not worth giving up any more land for.

Alright that works then, I won't challenge your claim of Japan, but are you also claiming Iwo Jima? Where are a few other spots that need to be neutralized so TOA won't have a bigger foothold in GSO's safehaven the North Pacific.

Iwo Jima is part of Tokyo Prefecture, so yeah, I'd claim Iwo Jima as part of my designs on Japan. It's less than an hour's flight from the nearest Eastasian airbase.

Once we hear from Pys then we'll know if all this will actually mean something, at the moment there's still no go-ahead for it.

Mari if Pys does leave and you release those lands I'd like to claim Indonesia (North Maluku), Sabah and Sarawak (the part of Malaysia on Borneo),
Brunei. That should provide for a more table pacific.

Ok everyone, shut up. Pys's not leaving, he's just having trouble getting on the forums right now. I suppose we just inturprated (Oh TEH NOES, my bad spelling) what he said wrong. Anyway once he can get on everything can continue as normal.

Debut of the Tiburón class tonight :).

Also posted offsite:

Well one -

Jolt is gay. It doesn't let me connect any fucking more.

Anyways -

My post I made on Earth II was apparently, completely, and totally, and on a massive fucking level...mis-interpurated. My point being "It's been a fun run" was that I expect that if I do get into this large war with the TOA on Pushka's behalf, which I'm pretty sure I will if it escalates into a large war *don't mind me being that I can't check the forums too often, and no one TG's me or IM's me or PM's me worth a shit anymore*, well my point there is that any large war would definately be the end of me as a power/nation. Which, I'm not implying I'd go down too easily.

So...umm...never did I mean I was quitting Earth II, so I hope my land hasn't been partitioned/argued over/etcetera. If it has, I'd like it to all be back in my hands...thanks...in the mean time, I won't be on Earth II because Jolt apparently doesn't like me anymore.

Sorry for the fucked-uped-nessedness of this post but it came to a shock when Pushka *finally someone talks to me* TG'd me.

Ok everyone, shut up. Pys's not leaving, he's just having trouble getting on the forums right now. I suppose we just inturprated (Oh TEH NOES, my bad spelling) what he said wrong. Anyway once he can get on everything can continue as normal.

Well, if he'd been a bit less vague in the first place, then this whole thing wouldn't have kicked off. Perhaps when he gets back on he can explain what that post was actually saying.

Debut of the Tiburón class tonight :).

Also posted offsite:


Good cause i don't want to have to fight COH in Siberia. My nation doesn't seem anything hostile with COH

LOL, Psychotika you always were a card......

Glad you aren't leaving, I have always enjoyed your banter on E II.



-Hawdawg

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523748

It isn't Earth II only but a thread about the Tiburón class...

I don't know, I was sort of sleep typing if that makes sense.

I was implying, being that I'm with Pushka in this whole Conflict, that if it were to escalate...I wasn't going to let Earth II have to hit a reset button post-conflict and slash/ could be the end of my existance one way or another on Earth II.

That's all I meant >.>

Additional:

Now I know who to bitch slap, being those who want any part of my Empire...

I better still have all my crap too!

Tripple Postage -

Also, just remove Spizania. He is actively posting, and starting a world fucking war on World at War *off-site* and is neglecting us here. In other words, he got himself into a shit storm here and doesn't care to even trying to talk with anyone here at all on any level.

Me, yea sort of the same but atleast I haven't started a big festival of yellingness and anger, and leave in the middle of a diplomatic mission that could determine the fate of me existing as a nation or not.

Well, maybe I did, but I atleast didn't claim D13 or w/e it is called so I could be such a dick head elsewhere.

There we go.

And yes, Spizzy, I do very much not care for you.

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Thanks ahead

Additional:

Now I know who to bitch slap, being those who want any part of my Empire...

I better still have all my crap too!

I still owe you a bitch slap for some of the things you've said about me in the past, so give it a shot and you'll get a harder one in return.....:p

Anyhoo, good to know you're staying. Having you in charge of Japan helps keep eastern Asia relatively stable, because it's just really you and me there. Just don't let TOA swarm all over you too much ;)

Tripple Postage -

Also, just remove Spizania. He is actively posting, and starting a world fucking war on World at War *off-site* and is neglecting us here. In other words, he got himself into a shit storm here and doesn't care to even trying to talk with anyone here at all on any level.

Me, yea sort of the same but atleast I haven't started a big festival of yellingness and anger, and leave in the middle of a diplomatic mission that could determine the fate of me existing as a nation or not.

Well, maybe I did, but I atleast didn't claim D13 or w/e it is called so I could be such a dick head elsewhere.

There we go.

And yes, Spizzy, I do very much not care for you.

Uh, um, ive asked to be taken off D13 TWICE since i was put on, but noone ever seems to see it. And also, i am waiting on Kreynoria at last check. I have nothing to RP at the moment, and i dont start RPs very well, i respond to them.
And what diplomatic mission is that?

Additional:

Now I know who to bitch slap, being those who want any part of my Empire...

I better still have all my crap too!

Just remember that I provided you with the opportunity to turn your Empire in Japan into what it is by providing the territory. Also keep in mind should you decide to exit that I will pay a hefty sum (trillion(s)) for Okinawa.


-Hawdawg

Haw, as long as GSO stands you will not get those lands, get it already?

Haw, as long as GSO stands you will not get those lands, get it already?

It appears that we shalln't see if the GSO's bite is as strong as its bark at this point in time. Or shall we...?

:: returns to the shadows ::

You'll see it then you'll be foolish enough to attempt to use your fangs to bite at us and then you'll regret it. We're not TOA we don't go to war over nothing, our mission is peace.

-Returns to the....toilet shit i got diarrhea-

Ah yes, with the actions of the USA. "Accept peace, or we'll blow you to pieces." A little something like that.

Tripple Postage -

Also, just remove Spizania. He is actively posting, and starting a world fucking war on World at War *off-site* and is neglecting us here. In other words, he got himself into a shit storm here and doesn't care to even trying to talk with anyone here at all on any level.

Me, yea sort of the same but atleast I haven't started a big festival of yellingness and anger, and leave in the middle of a diplomatic mission that could determine the fate of me existing as a nation or not.

Well, maybe I did, but I atleast didn't claim D13 or w/e it is called so I could be such a dick head elsewhere.

There we go.

And yes, Spizzy, I do very much not care for you.

You're allowed to RP in as many offsite RPs as you want. It would be improper of us to tell you what you can do off NS that is your life. You can RP in as many Earths on NS as you want to we just request you use a separate username and state for E2.

However, before you begin to point fingers let me draw your attention to this:

French Imperial Republic

France ( Including Corsica )
Luxembourg
The Netherlands
Belgium
Andora
New Caledonia
Northern Part of Algeria

Is that fair? I'm seasoned with Earth RPs, getting tired of the old one.

I didn't say anything at all and yes I've known about it for a while so you'd do yourself a favor by not "snitching" on others when you, yourself are, in fact, in violation of said rule (nor is it the first time). However, in my older years I've relaxed on the decree and nobody has taken advantage of it save for one person. I'd prefer to have it maintain the status quo but if it's more undue stress, then why the hell not.

Uh, um, ive asked to be taken off D13 TWICE since i was put on, but noone ever seems to see it. And also, i am waiting on Kreynoria at last check. I have nothing to RP at the moment, and i dont start RPs very well, i respond to them.
And what diplomatic mission is that?

That'd be my fault I'll do it don't ya worry.

0CC Hello all! Joined the fourm today and was just wondering if there was any room on earth II(or earth I for that matter)? Also if not is anyone interested in starting an Earth III?

Thanks ahead

Well there is room on Earth II if you are interested in joining.

Well there is a few territories available for new people reserved strictly for them in South America:

Berkner Island
Brazil (Amapá)
Brazil (Bahia)
Brazil (Distrito Federal)
Brazil (Espírito Santo)
Brazil (Goiás)
Brazil (Maranhão)
Brazil (Mato Grosso)
Brazil (Minas Gerais)
Brazil (Pará)
Brazil (Roraima)
Brazil (Tocantins)
Paraguay
South Orkney Island
Thurston Island
Uruguay

If you want you can claim up one of the big ones (like paraguary or uruguay) and 2 or 3 of the smaller ones.

Otherwise, I don't know what's available elsewhere in the world, to be honest but there might be something here or there. Otherwise, just read the charter on the first page and it'll answer all your questions. I hope it helps.

Haw, as long as GSO stands you will not get those lands, get it already?

Your threats are really entertaining. Besides I offered to BUY it from whomever potentially ended up with it. I never said I was planning on taking it.



-Hawdawg

Only TOA lackies would sell it to you and TOA lackey getting GSO land = GSO military action against that TOA lackie. They're not threats just the fact of the situation.

Only TOA lackies would sell it to you and TOA lackey getting GSO land = GSO military action against that TOA lackie. They're not threats just the fact of the situation.

Just so we have this correctly spelled out, you and GSO would have attacked any nation that would have legally RP'ed an invasion of any Japanese territory just because they had a relationship with any of us? Plus you would have attacked anyone that would have said control of this territory for SELLING it? So when did you and your organization begin to rail against capitalism?

This is a frightening stance that all Earth II members need to denote.


-Hawdawg

Only TOA lackies would sell it to you and TOA lackey getting GSO land = GSO military action against that TOA lackie. They're not threats just the fact of the situation.

Just so we have this correctly spelled out, you and GSO would have attacked any nation that would have legally RP'ed an invasion of any Japanese territory just because they had a relationship with any of us? Plus you would have attacked anyone that would have said control of this territory for SELLING it? So when did you and your organization begin to rail against capitalism?

This is a frightening stance that all Earth II members need to denote.


-Hawdawg

And we're the bad guys.

Just so we have this correctly spelled out, you and GSO would have attacked any nation that would have legally RP'ed an invasion of any Japanese territory just because they had a relationship with any of us? Plus you would have attacked anyone that would have said control of this territory for SELLING it? So when did you and your organization begin to rail against capitalism?

This is a frightening stance that all Earth II members need to denote.


-Hawdawg

TOA declaring war on GSO without any provocation is a frightening stance that everyone should denote, Cotland declaring war on Nero without any provocation is frightening stance everyone should denote. GSO nations obeying GSO charter in "you attack one, you attack all" perspective should not be denoted, that is basically the premise for any defense pact including the OA. If say Pys quits its not like his nation disappears, his government collapses but as a nation-state he is still part of GSO. In addition, GSO is created to counter-balance OA power, possession of GSO or even former GSO territories by an OA nation or an OA friendly nation compromises that balance.

No Lay, you're still the bad guys. Its not like if say NG gets deleted you guys will simply let me claim his former land while watching from the sidewalk.

Please locate a dictionary and look up a few words:

War Games

Joint Exercise

You will find that when the two are combined they equal a mock exercise to test the readiness of forces for combat effectiveness. It doesn't say anywhere in a war games definition that a declaration of war has to be made to complete an exercise. Joint exercise is defined as running through a scenario with an allied force to work out any kinks in logisitics, chain of command, tactics, etc. There is a difference between Mock Exercises and Real Exercises. Bullets fly, people die. They don't run around in a RP sporting MILES gear and firing blanks.

Its great your organization wants to act as a counterbalance. The thing that you need to understand is no matter what propaganda you continue to spew, in some folks eyes your organization is by far more threatening and continitous than ours. That street travels both directions, and some folks have expressed that they don't care for us. We have posted our charter for all to see, people understand our stance on most issues and deal with it. All I really have heard from the GSO is they are "anti-TOA". It also appears from your post your organization:

1. Can't stand Capitalism.
2. Uses threats as a Foreign Policy Stance.
3. Maintains a mutual defense pact.
4. Can't stand TOA.

Just as a little advice in the Foreign Policy PR department, to gain more influence in other nations perhaps you should quit whaling on the evils of the world and start some positive projects like assisting others with infastructure development, seeding business startups, etc. (All these successes have been well documented in Africa through TATO). The key to greatness is through a healthy economic engine, not podium posturing.


-Hawdawg

Okay..........

So the TOA doesn't like the GSO...

The GSO doesn't like the TOA...

GET ON WITH IT.

I'll denote whatever the h3ll I'd like to denote, but you guys should either make up or break out. This is getting really annoying with the discourse going on - you sound like real politicians trying to justify a war before it happens.

"Victors seek victory before going to war. Losers go to war before seeking victory."

As of this point, you're either at war or not - the point that matters is whether or not you'll win it at all, because no matter what the discourse is, whoever wins this little engagement will decide how to write the mainstream history.

And at this point, I think you guys need this war, because someone needs to lose a little hubris in order to bring some sanity back into the discourse here - it's either "GSO SO DAM EVIL" or "TOA SO DAM EVIL" - I don't care. And I think some other people don't care. In fact, I'd be glad if the war happened right now, because at least you'd be arguing about how to end the war than how to start it. And if you're going cut back with this "I don't want this war" whether or not you really do or don't, I think you need it. So someone, please just start this war and get it over - doesn't matter if it's legitimate, because there isn't even a UN or some international oversight to say whether it really was right or wrong. And probably for that reason, it's better.

So I'm done with this rant - hopefully someone will do something worthwhile.

On a positive note, RTL is back on track :D. And I'm ready for the next phase in the WOD and RTL Cosa Nostra Plot.

I'm back from Dublin. Had a good trip!

It's going to become like the Israeli war, and the same is to be said of it.

In the words of the Egyptian leader at the time "The Israeli's prepared for this war, we prepared for the victory march in their streets." One side of this TOA-GSO conflict is talking big and im ashamed to say it but it is ours. So far the TOA have been holding battle simulations on what they believe to be the russian warfare and have been training their men to the weather and warfare they would face if conflict were to erupt. We in the GSO have been mobilizing men around and talking big.

If we could just either begin the war or finish the threats it would all be good, waiting for the TOA to make their move on Pushka is getting to be boring and I for one am starting to feel my hand reach for the aggression side of this conflict.

On a side note, I've been meaning to ask Cotland with your takover of those territories what did you do with the people. Are they registered as Cottish citizens as they should be sense this was an act of uniting the lands, or are they under military occupation which would be a very aggresive way to gain the peoples trust.

You gentlemen are so eager to begin war. Do not rush us, we're RP'ing everything out properly so you can't go and claim godmod and this and that was never RP'd etc. Nero is right though, our forces are drilled and ready, yours aren't. They don't just suddenly appear on the battle lines ready to go. Forces drill all the time at peace and when leading up to war. When a ship leaves port it's crew are constantly drilling left and right. Their forces are conducting red vs. blue exercises to stay sharp. So basically, the way it is now, our forces are ready and yours are, well, let's say, unprepared. It'll be a quick and easy romp for the ill-prepared armies of the GSO who have, as Nero put it, stood around talking while our men trained.

TOA declaring war on GSO without any provocation is a frightening stance that everyone should denote, Cotland declaring war on Nero without any provocation is frightening stance everyone should denote. GSO nations obeying GSO charter in "you attack one, you attack all" perspective should not be denoted, that is basically the premise for any defense pact including the OA. If say Pys quits its not like his nation disappears, his government collapses but as a nation-state he is still part of GSO. In addition, GSO is created to counter-balance OA power, possession of GSO or even former GSO territories by an OA nation or an OA friendly nation compromises that balance.

No Lay, you're still the bad guys. Its not like if say NG gets deleted you guys will simply let me claim his former land while watching from the sidewalk.

No we won't but we won't threaten everyone out there who wants it just because they show GSO sympathy.

Okay..........

So the TOA doesn't like the GSO...

The GSO doesn't like the TOA...

GET ON WITH IT.

I'll denote whatever the h3ll I'd like to denote, but you guys should either make up or break out. This is getting really annoying with the discourse going on - you sound like real politicians trying to justify a war before it happens.

"Victors seek victory before going to war. Losers go to war before seeking victory."

As of this point, you're either at war or not - the point that matters is whether or not you'll win it at all, because no matter what the discourse is, whoever wins this little engagement will decide how to write the mainstream history.

And at this point, I think you guys need this war, because someone needs to lose a little hubris in order to bring some sanity back into the discourse here - it's either "GSO SO DAM EVIL" or "TOA SO DAM EVIL" - I don't care. And I think some other people don't care. In fact, I'd be glad if the war happened right now, because at least you'd be arguing about how to end the war than how to start it. And if you're going cut back with this "I don't want this war" whether or not you really do or don't, I think you need it. So someone, please just start this war and get it over - doesn't matter if it's legitimate, because there isn't even a UN or some international oversight to say whether it really was right or wrong. And probably for that reason, it's better.

So I'm done with this rant - hopefully someone will do something worthwhile.

On a positive note, RTL is back on track :D. And I'm ready for the next phase in the WOD and RTL Cosa Nostra Plot.

On a note with RTL. It's resuming after the events of Killswitch Engage V & Against All Enemies so it'll be May 2007. The drug cartels are effectively wiped out but smaller ones remain in the shadows, primarily in southern Mexico, where our seat of power is still growing (we just took it over between February - March 2007). The Emperor has declared the war on drugs a victory in a speech (it'll be in RTL) and so we're still in the WOD RP but a lot has changed.

It's going to become like the Israeli war, and the same is to be said of it.

In the words of the Egyptian leader at the time "The Israeli's prepared for this war, we prepared for the victory march in their streets."
Which one? You've got the following options:

1948 (Israeli War of Independence/Expansion)
1956 (Suez Crisis)
1967 (Six-Day War)
1973 (October/Yom Kippur War)

On a side note, I've been meaning to ask Cotland with your takover of those territories what did you do with the people. Are they registered as Cottish citizens as they should be sense this was an act of uniting the lands, or are they under military occupation which would be a very aggresive way to gain the peoples trust.
The citizens of Nerotikan ethnic background were all deported within the first few weeks of us taking power. All those of Cottish background were registered and given a course in the current status of the Cottish Realm (read: indoctrinated to be good Cottish citizens). All those who rebelled were tracked down and brutally slaughtered along with their families. It was a bloody campaign, but it only lasted a few months before everything was as it should be...

Which one? You've got the following options:

1948 (Israeli War of Independence/Expansion)
1956 (Suez Crisis)
1967 (Six-Day War)
1973 (October/Yom Kippur War)


The statement could probably be true for all of those conflicts, but it is actually '67

You gentlemen are so eager to begin war. Do not rush us, we're RP'ing everything out properly so you can't go and claim godmod and this and that was never RP'd etc. Nero is right though, our forces are drilled and ready, yours aren't. They don't just suddenly appear on the battle lines ready to go. Forces drill all the time at peace and when leading up to war. When a ship leaves port it's crew are constantly drilling left and right. Their forces are conducting red vs. blue exercises to stay sharp. So basically, the way it is now, our forces are ready and yours are, well, let's say, unprepared. It'll be a quick and easy romp for the ill-prepared armies of the GSO who have, as Nero put it, stood around talking while our men trained.

Eh...well we haven't trained together but I don't about Nero's or Panth's or Pys's forces my forces are well prepared, I am planning to fight a defensive war in any case my troops are well trained, those in Mexico seen action against the warlords recently. Yeah my troops are well prepared, everything is in position ready to attack, just because we didn't hold extensive, costly (and pointless) wargames does not mean that we are not ready to meet the actual threat. Aka, if your troops attack, I know exactly there they are and my missile batteries and ground forces are in the position to counter-attack, I have RPed this in Sunfall and this has been like that for some time now. So you're saying that one wargame that lasted about a month of NS time has your troops prepared much more so then my troops? Are you kidding me? Yes soldiers drill all the time and thats a given, Im not gonna RP my troops training (unless it is a wargame which we didn't do) but it does happen, they don't just stand around, there are standard army procedures and drills that have to be carried out day by day.

Please locate a dictionary and look up a few words:

War Games

Joint Exercise

You will find that when the two are combined they equal a mock exercise to test the readiness of forces for combat effectiveness. It doesn't say anywhere in a war games definition that a declaration of war has to be made to complete an exercise. Joint exercise is defined as running through a scenario with an allied force to work out any kinks in logisitics, chain of command, tactics, etc. There is a difference between Mock Exercises and Real Exercises. Bullets fly, people die. They don't run around in a RP sporting MILES gear and firing blanks.

Hirgy and Lay have put up hundreds of thousands of men on my Mexican border, similar situation with Cot and Hirgy in Siberia, plus OOCly it is clear that TOA is about to attack, aka I can read Lay's SIC and although I can't claim that I know off them ICly OOCly I do and TOA is about to start a war.

Its great your organization wants to act as a counterbalance. The thing that you need to understand is no matter what propaganda you continue to spew, in some folks eyes your organization is by far more threatening and continitous than ours. That street travels both directions, and some folks have expressed that they don't care for us. We have posted our charter for all to see, people understand our stance on most issues and deal with it. All I really have heard from the GSO is they are "anti-TOA". It also appears from your post your organization:

Actually in my organization thread (in the interview with Stepanov post) I do state that we if we can find a common understanding and a common ground with TOA we will, it serves global stability which is our over all goal. However how can we find common ground then TOA started surrounding us (me at this point) with their troops all over the world? How can you call us threatening then you are the ones starting a war with no reason for it.

1. Can't stand Capitalism.

Russian Federation is a Capitalist country, yeah we can stand capitalism we enjoy it very much. Hell we're so capitalist our government didn't even prevent Dragunov Firearms Holding from selling AD-142 assault rifles to Layarteb based Manchurian Corporation the guns that ended up in Layartebian foreign legion that is it seems going to lead the attack against us.

2. Uses threats as a Foreign Policy Stance.

And TOA doesn't? Oh yeah sorry, you don't give threats you just invade people for no reason.

3. Maintains a mutual defense pact.

Sure do.

4. Can't stand TOA.

Originally that was not our intent but once again it is hard to like TOA then they are about to start invading us which is clear since for one nobody decided to inform us that there are wargames going on, for two there are hundreds of thousands of TOA troops stationed at our borders. How could we not find that threatening? In the meanwhile we gave TOA absolutely no reason for such actions.

Just as a little advice in the Foreign Policy PR department, to gain more influence in other nations perhaps you should quit whaling on the evils of the world and start some positive projects like assisting others with infastructure development, seeding business startups, etc. (All these successes have been well documented in Africa through TATO). The key to greatness is through a healthy economic engine, not podium posturing.

Oh thx, actually GSO was planning on promoting human rights, economic prosperity all over the world Nero was going to write up a human rights amendment for the Charter, however we don't have time for that now, TOA is at our doorstep, they are about to attack us, sorry to be a little preoccupied with that right now.

I'd take a stab at peace at Rome's Summit but right now it is obvious that TOA does not want peace, they want war and I really can't do anything about what TOA wants.

You know where some of them are. Those that are drilling and training move around a lot. We're RP'ing it all to make sure we have total collaberation between us (much like how coalition forces did prior to Desert Storm in Desert Shield). Just because it's defensive doesn't mean it costs any less money than offensive up until the point that the battle beings. We broke it into a few wargames with different aspects though, not just one but as far as time frame I don't think we ever worked that out really. I was going by what Nero said there...seems like you should all be on the same page no? Having your allies on different pages makes for a cluster fuck, which'll definitely be to our advantage.

Hirgy and Lay have put up hundreds of thousands of men on my Mexican border, similar situation with Cot and Hirgy in Siberia, plus OOCly it is clear that TOA is about to attack, aka I can read Lay's SIC and although I can't claim that I know off them ICly OOCly I do and TOA is about to start a war.

And you've let us do it :)

Russian Federation is a Capitalist country, yeah we can stand capitalism we enjoy it very much. Hell we're so capitalist our government didn't even prevent Dragunov Firearms Holding from selling AD-142 assault rifles to Layarteb based Manchurian Corporation the guns that ended up in Layartebian foreign legion that is it seems going to lead the attack against us.

Is this "Russian" capitalist where the government has its hand in everything? To be fair though you had no clue that Manchurian Global was giving 50% of the firearms to the government. You even talked about now restricting Dragunov and what not. It isn't bad, the LDC requires gov't approval for exports too.

And TOA doesn't? Oh yeah sorry, you don't give threats you just invade people for no reason.

Every invasion by anybody on E2 has definitely had a reason. Land, border clashes, etc. it's all there. There's reasons in everything. It may not be a reason you concur with but it's a reason.

Sure do.

So I guess you can't complain about the MDP part of our alliance and we can now begin to use the same nonsense you've used on us for how long that if you attack one nation you attack the whole alliance and that's unfair and rawr rawr rawr

Originally that was not our intent but once again it is hard to like TOA then they are about to start invading us which is clear since for one nobody decided to inform us that there are wargames going on, for two there are hundreds of thousands of TOA troops stationed at our borders. How could we not find that threatening? In the meanwhile we gave TOA absolutely no reason for such actions.

You might have given us a reason, you never know :).

Oh thx, actually GSO was planning on promoting human rights, economic prosperity all over the world Nero was going to write up a human rights amendment for the Charter, however we don't have time for that now, TOA is at our doorstep, they are about to attack us, sorry to be a little preoccupied with that right now.

Nero has how many people in forced labor camps and as basic slaves? Yeah sorry to say that he's probably not the best person to write up about human rights. If you want to go around the world and trample on the sovereignty of countries by forcing human rights issues and what not down their throat then have fun.

I'd take a stab at peace at Rome's Summit but right now it is obvious that TOA does not want peace, they want war and I really can't do anything about what TOA wants.

You say we need to take a stab at peace as if a situation exists to the contrary. Until bullets are flying, that's peace.

And you've let us do it :)

Oh, don't worry there is a reason for it, fighting a defensive war I'll be able to destroy you a lot quicker.

Is this "Russian" capitalist where the government has its hand in everything? To be fair though you had no clue that Manchurian Global was giving 50% of the firearms to the government. You even talked about now restricting Dragunov and what not. It isn't bad, the LDC requires gov't approval for exports too.

Well DFH is a free company it can trade with whoever it wants, of course it can be sued by the government afterwards for not upholding national interests but thats a different story. No, we are capitalists, capitalists, not to a degree RL US is though there corporate lobbyists are running the country.



Every invasion by anybody on E2 has definitely had a reason. Land, border clashes, etc. it's all there. There's reasons in everything. It may not be a reason you concur with but it's a reason.

Okay, let me rephrase. There is no logical reason for TOA to attack GSO, there hasn't been any border clashes and our land is our own even Layarteb recognizes Russian Federation as a sovereign nation.



So I guess you can't complain about the MDP part of our alliance and we can now begin to use the same nonsense you've used on us for how long that if you attack one nation you attack the whole alliance and that's unfair and rawr rawr rawr

What the hell are you talking about? Nonsense? You guys had MDP for far longer then I have I haven't even used it yet Im waiting for you to attack. I never said that MDP is unfair, I said that grabbing other people's land and the hiding behind the MDP is unfair.



You might have given us a reason, you never know :).

In the eyes of the world whatever reason I've given you will not be sufficient cause seriously this is nonsense but in any case, Im ready for ya. ;)


Nero has how many people in forced labor camps and as basic slaves? Yeah sorry to say that he's probably not the best person to write up about human rights. If you want to go around the world and trample on the sovereignty of countries by forcing human rights issues and what not down their throat then have fun.

Nero was going to have a revolution before he wrote it up however now its not the case since we all need to be ready for the OA attack and at our best. Not forcing, promoting through peaceful means, better then starting World Wars that will result in annihilation of planet earth like you're about to do.



You say we need to take a stab at peace as if a situation exists to the contrary. Until bullets are flying, that's peace.

Eh, no, no it isn't. US and USSR didn't fire one bullet at each other but I don't think that you can call the Cold War a peaceful time.

You know where some of them are. Those that are drilling and training move around a lot. We're RP'ing it all to make sure we have total collaberation between us (much like how coalition forces did prior to Desert Storm in Desert Shield). Just because it's defensive doesn't mean it costs any less money than offensive up until the point that the battle beings. We broke it into a few wargames with different aspects though, not just one but as far as time frame I don't think we ever worked that out really. I was going by what Nero said there...seems like you should all be on the same page no? Having your allies on different pages makes for a cluster fuck, which'll definitely be to our advantage.

Well Nero did dispatch several hundred thousand men to my land, I parked a huge fleet off the coast of Japan, Panth wants to help out too. Im afraid it might be too late for wargames at this point, if you guys start firing I don't want our guys to have only rubber bullets to fire back at you. You also don't know what goes on in the GSO war room on the forsakenoutlaw board (or do ya?), we might be developing a military cooperation strategy you know.

Okay, let me rephrase. There is no logical reason for TOA to attack GSO, there hasn't been any border clashes and our land is our own even Layarteb recognizes Russian Federation as a sovereign nation.

It might not be your logic but there's logic. There haven't been any border clashes between you and I because we haven't RP'd any but there would be ones as constant and as frequent along our borders as the DPRK & ROK.

What the hell are you talking about? Nonsense? You guys had MDP for far longer then I have I haven't even used it yet Im waiting for you to attack. I never said that MDP is unfair, I said that grabbing other people's land and the hiding behind the MDP is unfair.

Than obviously you've never actually read our charter in full. If you did you would know that with the TOA charter this can't be done. You see, invading another country is an offensive act. The alliance is not required to stand up for you when you wage offensive war, even if you are attacked by allies of said nation. You can certainly ask but you aren't guaranteed anything. The only reason I personally acted in defense of Cot with Spiz is because he used nuclear weapons. Had he kept it conventional I would have never moved a finger.

Article II, Section VIII

Section VII: Each member-state has the right to deny the direct involvement of its forces to another member-state in instances of offensive war.

Article III, Section II

Section II: No member-state shall seek unwarranted war with another member-state of this alliance nor shall it seek unwarranted war with any other state outside of this alliance, especially if doing so could jeopardize the sovereignty, sustainability, and survivability of member-states and this alliance.

There you have it in black & white and the charter is posted in this thread as well, probably somewhere around January 2007 because that's when we officially finished the rewrite (which included significantly more trade options and stuff other than the original charter, which was pitifully made). Even in the original charter it did not guarantee protection in an "offensive" war. Perhaps you should re-read our charter? It's what we've been telling you the entire time because you've made assumptions and baseless accusations by not reading the charter as a whole, only the parts that you wanted to read.

PDF Download (http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Nation-States/Files/Documents/The_October_Alliance_Charter.pdf)

In the eyes of the world whatever reason I've given you will not be sufficient cause seriously this is nonsense but in any case, Im ready for ya.

I don't know how you can speak for the whole world. That's pretty brass.

Nero was going to have a revolution before he wrote it up however now its not the case since we all need to be ready for the OA attack and at our best. Not forcing, promoting through peaceful means, better then starting World Wars that will result in annihilation of planet earth like you're about to do.

It will only result in the annihilation of the planet if you wish to use Weapons of Mass Destruction and what not since that isn't in our battle plan to use, at least not offensively. So you're saying our 1 post has prevented you from doing your other RPs? That's pretty lame since I've been trying to jumble 4 or 5 RPs while at Sunfall. Try again please because that's definitely not an excuse.

Eh, no, no it isn't. US and USSR didn't fire one bullet at each other but I don't think that you can call the Cold War a peaceful time.

Actually yes I would. Between the superpowers there was a state of peace. Peace is defined as "the normal, nonwarring condition of a nation, group of nations, or the world" which is what the US & USSR had. We may have fought each other through proxy but the guns of the USSR and US were never quite pointed directly at each other (except in certain scenarios). Peace is the absence of war and the wars that existed between the Cold War were often in the Third World and often did see the US & USSR acting through proxy but never directly against each other as the cost of "war" would have been way too great.

Well Nero did dispatch several hundred thousand men to my land, I parked a huge fleet off the coast of Japan, Panth wants to help out too. Im afraid it might be too late for wargames at this point, if you guys start firing I don't want our guys to have only rubber bullets to fire back at you. You also don't know what goes on in the GSO war room (or do ya?), we might be developing a military cooperation strategy you know.

GSO war room = offsite forum? If so then no I do not. I don't look at other alliances boards offsite, that'd be pretty bad. I only have access under "Layarteb" to the TOA board though as TheForsakenOutlaw I do have access to all of them (though I only use that name to post articles & go into the moderator control panel). I actually made the "Layarteb" UID because I didn't want to have that access daily because you can see the "last article posted" thread title if you can see the board and I thought that it wouldn't be fair. Even after alliances have fallen apart and their boards removed I have not read through anything. I can give you all my word on that respect.

But you are right, probably too late for a wargame. Sunfall is nearly concluded we just have to have our meeting and then we go into Operation Rising Sun. Cute metaphor I think.

It might not be your logic but there's logic. There haven't been any border clashes between you and I because we haven't RP'd any but there would be ones as constant and as frequent along our borders as the DPRK & ROK.

Why would there? I remember in one of your SIC posts you suggested creating a demilitarized zone. I mean if your troops move across my border in any number thats a declaration of war and you certainly haven't stated that they have done so. I don't see how if infact our troops did clash on those borders the conflict would be kept local.

Than obviously you've never actually read our charter in full. If you did you would know that with the TOA charter this can't be done. You see, invading another country is an offensive act. The alliance is not required to stand up for you when you wage offensive war, even if you are attacked by allies of said nation. You can certainly ask but you aren't guaranteed anything. The only reason I personally acted in defense of Cot with Spiz is because he used nuclear weapons. Had he kept it conventional I would have never moved a finger.

Aga, okay, so if say Nero and his allies including me counterattacked Cot in Russia, kicked him out of those three territories that he took and continued to counter-attack further into his territory TOA would not have lifted a finger?

I don't know how you can speak for the whole world. That's pretty brass.

Im talking about neutral nations that might have something to say if TOA starts an unprovoked war, people like peace, TOA is bringing war, its easy to assume what will happen.


It will only result in the annihilation of the planet if you wish to use Weapons of Mass Destruction and what not since that isn't in our battle plan to use, at least not offensively. So you're saying our 1 post has prevented you from doing your other RPs? That's pretty lame since I've been trying to jumble 4 or 5 RPs while at Sunfall. Try again please because that's definitely not an excuse.

Well, Im a working man, the proletariat once again now plus I choose not to RP things that might weaken me for the upcoming war, Nero is doing the same.


Actually yes I would. Between the superpowers there was a state of peace. Peace is defined as "the normal, nonwarring condition of a nation, group of nations, or the world" which is what the US & USSR had. We may have fought each other through proxy but the guns of the USSR and US were never quite pointed directly at each other (except in certain scenarios). Peace is the absence of war and the wars that existed between the Cold War were often in the Third World and often did see the US & USSR acting through proxy but never directly against each other as the cost of "war" would have been way too great.

In any case, it is evident that TOA is about to go to war, alright, don't call it war right now, but a Summit for Peace that might diplomatically resolve the issues that are about to fuel that upcoming war will preserve peace.



GSO war room = offsite forum? If so then no I do not. I don't look at other alliances boards offsite, that'd be pretty bad. I only have access under "Layarteb" to the TOA board though as TheForsakenOutlaw I do have access to all of them (though I only use that name to post articles & go into the moderator control panel). I actually made the "Layarteb" UID because I didn't want to have that access daily because you can see the "last article posted" thread title if you can see the board and I thought that it wouldn't be fair. Even after alliances have fallen apart and their boards removed I have not read through anything. I can give you all my word on that respect.

Alright cool, cool, I wasn't implying that you were, simply making a witty comment.

But you are right, probably too late for a wargame. Sunfall is nearly concluded we just have to have our meeting and then we go into Operation Rising Sun. Cute metaphor I think.

Rising sun...rising sun why does that sound familiar?

In the words of Monthy Python

Now for something completely different

I saw The Good Shepherd last night and it was a boring movie! Its mostly talking and talking and more talking. The plot is similiar to The Conversation, which is this really old 70's spy movie staring Gene Hackman. In fact they probably stole that plot to make this movie

It is interesting how they detail the beginning of the CIA but most of the stuff they talk about i already knew. Like Nazi's who were giving citizenship in the US if they helped spy on the USSR. The Skull and Bone's scene is actually the most interesting part in the whole movie cause they are so cult-like

Why would there? I remember in one of your SIC posts you suggested creating a demilitarized zone. I mean if your troops move across my border in any number thats a declaration of war and you certainly haven't stated that they have done so. I don't see how if infact our troops did clash on those borders the conflict would be kept local.

The Korean DMZ has clashes all the time, shootings, etc. It's a nightmare over there.

Aga, okay, so if say Nero and his allies including me counterattacked Cot in Russia, kicked him out of those three territories that he took and continued to counter-attack further into his territory TOA would not have lifted a finger?

Well given that Nero agreed to relenquish them to him, they traded them, and he's established there it'd be a new war. If I were to invade you in Mexico on my own TOA does not have to lift a finger to help me.

Im talking about neutral nations that might have something to say if TOA starts an unprovoked war, people like peace, TOA is bringing war, its easy to assume what will happen.

I still fail to see how you have the right to speak for them?

Well, Im a working man, the proletariat once again now plus I choose not to RP things that might weaken me for the upcoming war, Nero is doing the same.

Given the fluidity of NS time and what not it's a poor excuse. I've been doing Killswitch Engage V, the terror wars (1970s), RTL, Against All Enemies, just to name a few. Yeah if you're about to blame us for your lack of "other" rp'ing then don't even start.

In any case, it is evident that TOA is about to go to war, alright, don't call it war right now, but a Summit for Peace that might diplomatically resolve the issues that are about to fuel that upcoming war will preserve peace.

Once again what are these "issues" you're referring to?

Rising sun...rising sun why does that sound familiar?

Rising Sun, rising fireball, up to you :)

I am the demon in the Russian Federation people. I accept this title because demon's kick major ass. Exhibit A:

http://www.masterdoom.hpg.ig.com.br/cyberdemon.jpg

Go ahead and be puny Doom to my DEMON!

The Korean DMZ has clashes all the time, shootings, etc. It's a nightmare over there.

I fail to see how thats relevant.

Given the fluidity of NS time and what not it's a poor excuse. I've been doing Killswitch Engage V, the terror wars (1970s), RTL, Against All Enemies, just to name a few. Yeah if you're about to blame us for your lack of "other" rp'ing then don't even start.

Im not blaming you, settle down.

Once again what are these "issues" you're referring to?

You tell me, you're the ones starting war here not us.

Rising Sun, rising fireball, up to you :)

I think its a tittle of some video game I read about some time in the past or something.

I am the demon in the Russian Federation people. I accept this title because demon's kick major ass. Exhibit A:

http://www.masterdoom.hpg.ig.com.br/cyberdemon.jpg

Go ahead and be puny Doom to my DEMON!

Well, in Doom he does die....

In the words of Monthy Python

Now for something completely different

I saw The Good Shepherd last night and it was a boring movie! Its mostly talking and talking and more talking. The plot is similiar to The Conversation, which is this really old 70's spy movie staring Gene Hackman. In fact they probably stole that plot to make this movie

It is interesting how they detail the beginning of the CIA but most of the stuff they talk about i already knew. Like Nazi's who were giving citizenship in the US if they helped spy on the USSR. The Skull and Bone's scene is actually the most interesting part in the whole movie cause they are so cult-like

Well I liked that movie for several reasons: It made me think; The story is interesting; They have Russian actors who can act, thats something completely unheard of in a US movie.

I fail to see how thats relevant.

It's to show you that just because there's a DMZ doesn't mean that border clashes won't exist.

You tell me, you're the ones starting war here not us.

We haven't started anything yet...

I think its a tittle of some video game I read about some time in the past or something.

Could be. Who knows.

Well, in Doom he does die...

That's because the AI is pretty bad but it takes a few tries to get him. There's no iddqd or idkfa in E2 :)

It's to show you that just because there's a DMZ doesn't mean that border clashes won't exist.

Well first of all there is no DMZ since you haven't actually ICly proposed one. Second, once again if our troops fight I don't understand how the conflict would not escalate.

We haven't started anything yet...

But you are going to meaning that you have a reason to meaning that there is something that can be resolved through diplomacy.

That fucking sucks.

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ClubCrKz (22:49:54): Nothing much, just got a favour to ask you - Could you let EII know that, for now, Jolt isn't letting me connect. Firefox/IE keep dumping my connection, and I end up getting a dead link/404. So yea
cotland1987 (22:49:54): sure
ClubCrKz (22:50:16): Thanks

Message from Pys...

Well first of all there is no DMZ since you haven't actually ICly proposed one. Second, once again if our troops fight I don't understand how the conflict would not escalate.

Well, there isn't a DMZ per say. It was just a generic thing I put out there for our border. The composition of the border was supposed to be done in Killswitch Engage V but I got bored with it so it'll be in RTL. There's shootings all the time over the Korean border but it doesn't escalate into war. On the border at Guantanamo Bay it gets rough but it doesn't escalate either.

But you are going to meaning that you have a reason to meaning that there is something that can be resolved through diplomacy.

Que?

ClubCrKz (22:49:13): Hey man
cotland1987 (22:49:02): sup
ClubCrKz (22:49:54): Nothing much, just got a favour to ask you - Could you let EII know that, for now, Jolt isn't letting me connect. Firefox/IE keep dumping my connection, and I end up getting a dead link/404. So yea
cotland1987 (22:49:54): sure
ClubCrKz (22:50:16): Thanks

Message from Pys...

That's pretty ungood...

Que?

Aha! You're french! [insert french joke] Anyways, let me explain this in a simpler way.

1. TOA wants to go to war with GSO
2. Thus there is a reason for TOA to go to war with GSO
3. Thus there is something that can be resolved diplomatically

Понял?

Aha! You're french! [insert french joke] Anyways, let me explain this in a simpler way.

1. TOA wants to go to war with GSO
2. Thus there is a reason for TOA to go to war with GSO
3. Thus there is something that can be resolved diplomatically

Понял?

¿Qué? esta Espanol. I know Que in French too but didn't feel like hitting the alt+0 keys to find the é.

Why would TOA want to go to war with GSO?

I have no clue, you tell me, you're the ones who are going to do it. Operation Sunrise, ring any bells?

I have no clue, you tell me, you're the ones who are going to do it. Operation Sunrise, ring any bells?

Sunrise? No Sunfall & Rising Sun.

Damn somebody is nervous.

Okay, Rising Sun, same thing, TOA wants war with GSO, tell me why and that will answer your own question.

First I would like to state that the views and opinions of Pushka are his own, the GSO (I believe I am speaking for everyone here) see's nothing wronge with healthy capitalism and basically the entire of the TOA. What we do see wronge is the use of military force to establish your way of thinking into the people (Maybe not your way of thinking, more or less invasion of territories to expand your already large nations).

I see this as a modern day roman era, nations fighting for control of more territory and with modern technology this wide expanse is possible. Now see, I have no problem with the TOA except for its rejection of recognizing the USR as a state and not just a blip of land in the middle of russia. But the TOA has not truly done anything to the USR, Cotland has but not the TOA in a whole. We do feel rightfully rejected throughout the international community as when Cotland felt the need to invade not a single nation came to our aid, which is why we hesitated to comply with the GSO charter in protecting the federation territories. What we see the GSO as (Though a member this is my opinion) is Pushka's attempt at building a coalition to protect himself. Now this protection makes sence though when the largest alliance (And only alliance) of nations decide that the federation does not deserve its land, or somthing along that line. Either way by threatening invasion you are threatening the GSO alliance from even building strength and so if you invade pushka you invade the GSO as we are basically one nation now under seperate rules.

It makes more sence when not every other sentence is "TOA this and TOA that."

Also, about that capitalist thing. I and im sure most of the other nations see no problem with purchasing territories owned by the GSO, we see a problem with military use to take the territories, or military occupation of the territories even after purchase. A war like stance on a simple purchase of land is more then a statment of how you will treat the natives of that territory, I for one would not stand to see people treated in the manner that cotland says he has treated even the rebels in the invaded territories. I understand that rebellion is a problem in an invaded territory but a jail sentence without the murder of the entire family sounds a little more fair.

So in sumation, we at the GSO take no responsibility for what the federation says or does, what we take responsibilty for are the people that the TOA are threatening with such a large military build-up in a centralized area.

First I would like to state that the views and opinions of Pushka are his own, the GSO (I believe I am speaking for everyone here) see's nothing wronge with healthy capitalism and basically the entire of the TOA. What we do see wronge is the use of military force to establish your way of thinking into the people (Maybe not your way of thinking, more or less invasion of territories to expand your already large nations).

I see this as a modern day roman era, nations fighting for control of more territory and with modern technology this wide expanse is possible. Now see, I have no problem with the TOA except for its rejection of recognizing the USR as a state and not just a blip of land in the middle of russia. But the TOA has not truly done anything to the USR, Cotland has but not the TOA in a whole. We do feel rightfully rejected throughout the international community as when Cotland felt the need to invade not a single nation came to our aid, which is why we hesitated to comply with the GSO charter in protecting the federation territories. What we see the GSO as (Though a member this is my opinion) is Pushka's attempt at building a coalition to protect himself. Now this protection makes sence though when the largest alliance (And only alliance) of nations decide that the federation does not deserve its land, or somthing along that line. Either way by threatening invasion you are threatening the GSO alliance from even building strength and so if you invade pushka you invade the GSO as we are basically one nation now under seperate rules.

It makes more sence when not every other sentence is "TOA this and TOA that."

Also, about that capitalist thing. I and im sure most of the other nations see no problem with purchasing territories owned by the GSO, we see a problem with military use to take the territories, or military occupation of the territories even after purchase. A war like stance on a simple purchase of land is more then a statment of how you will treat the natives of that territory, I for one would not stand to see people treated in the manner that cotland says he has treated even the rebels in the invaded territories. I understand that rebellion is a problem in an invaded territory but a jail sentence without the murder of the entire family sounds a little more fair.

So in sumation, we at the GSO take no responsibility for what the federation says or does, what we take responsibilty for are the people that the TOA are threatening with such a large military build-up in a centralized area.

The concern that the TOA has is that, like VCO, said nations serve merely as cannon fodder for the Russian Federation and we hope that the USR looks out for their own interests first rather than be cast into the wind...

First I would like to state that the views and opinions of Pushka are his own, the GSO (I believe I am speaking for everyone here) see's nothing wronge with healthy capitalism and basically the entire of the TOA. What we do see wronge is the use of military force to establish your way of thinking into the people (Maybe not your way of thinking, more or less invasion of territories to expand your already large nations).

I see nothing wrong with healthy capitalism where did you get the opposite? Haw? Neither do I have anything against TOA, oh wait yeah I do now, they are about to invade me.

I see this as a modern day roman era, nations fighting for control of more territory and with modern technology this wide expanse is possible. Now see, I have no problem with the TOA except for its rejection of recognizing the USR as a state and not just a blip of land in the middle of russia. But the TOA has not truly done anything to the USR, Cotland has but not the TOA in a whole. We do feel rightfully rejected throughout the international community as when Cotland felt the need to invade not a single nation came to our aid, which is why we hesitated to comply with the GSO charter in protecting the federation territories. What we see the GSO as (Though a member this is my opinion) is Pushka's attempt at building a coalition to protect himself. Now this protection makes sence though when the largest alliance (And only alliance) of nations decide that the federation does not deserve its land, or somthing along that line. Either way by threatening invasion you are threatening the GSO alliance from even building strength and so if you invade pushka you invade the GSO as we are basically one nation now under seperate rules.

Well, that is untrue, I did not create GSO to protect myself, infact having to protect my nation and other nations in the GSO as well only over stretches my troops, for example my fleet parked off the coast of Japan if I was only looking out for my own interests I'd have it back up my Antarctic fleets in Siberia.

Also, about that capitalist thing. I and im sure most of the other nations see no problem with purchasing territories owned by the GSO, we see a problem with military use to take the territories, or military occupation of the territories even after purchase. A war like stance on a simple purchase of land is more then a statment of how you will treat the natives of that territory, I for one would not stand to see people treated in the manner that cotland says he has treated even the rebels in the invaded territories. I understand that rebellion is a problem in an invaded territory but a jail sentence without the murder of the entire family sounds a little more fair.

You do not understand though, although you and me both would not mind peace with TOA that peace will never be present because TOA doesn't want that peace. And from a simple military perspective giving up positions to our enemy is only going to screw us over in the long run.

So in sumation, we at the GSO take no responsibility for what the federation says or does, what we take responsibilty for are the people that the TOA are threatening with such a large military build-up in a centralized area.

Oh geez...you misunderstand TOA, you think they can be reasoned with, they can't, they want to take our land, today its me, tomorrow it can be you and they don't care about anything else, I thought we have been over this already.

You know what screw this, if things continue on like this Im gonna pull out of GSO and Im gonna fight the battle TOA is bringing to me (for no reason) myself, just don't be sad then TOA plans an unprovoked attack on you and you are the one who is alone. Yeah I can't defeat the whole of TOA on my own, but I will put up a hell of a battle and I will make sure that they take a long time to recover from the damage I've caused. If Im getting kicked out of EII after loosing that war the legacy I'd like to leave is that I did my best to counter the threat TOA poses on the whole world and I stood alone while others stood on the side and did nothing, hopefully someone will exploit my sacrifice and kill the bastards while they're trying to heal up. All for greater good of the human kind on EII. I am sick and tired of my intentions being twisted and misunderstood by nations of the TOA and it is especially annoying then my own allies give in to their baseless propaganda.

The concern that the TOA has is that, like VCO, said nations serve merely as cannon fodder for the Russian Federation and we hope that the USR looks out for their own interests first rather than be cast into the wind...

Oh, with that bullshit again. Firstly, you are the ones initiating hostilities, secondly neither in VCO nor in GSO Im using my allies as cannon fodder. How does that even make sense if I overstretch my own troops to protect them? What VCO lacked and what GSO apparently lacks is a single stance and that will most likely lead to our failure once again to stop TOA's undisputed rule on the earth.

We've been over this a hundred things. There are no hostilities at all.

You know what screw this, Im pulling out of GSO and Im gonna fight the battle TOA is bringing to me (for no reason) myself, just don't be sad then TOA plans an unprovoked attack on you and you are the one who is alone. Yeah I can't defeat the whole of TOA on my own, but I will put up a hell of a battle and I will make sure that they take a long time to recover from the damage I've caused. If Im getting kicked out of EII after loosing that war the legacy I'd like to leave is that I did my best to counter the threat TOA poses on the whole world and I stood alone while others stood on the side and did nothing, hopefully someone will exploit my sacrifice and kill the bastards while they're trying to heal up. All for greater good of the human kind on EII.

So you up and leave when one member of the alliance disagrees? Hmmm...I'll let the rest of the guys have fun with this one. Otherwise, why would you get kicked out of E2?

Umm...

oui is French...take it from a German-Italian Frenchman. With Irish in him too.

Anyways, oddly enough jolt works atm.

Oh and how am I qualified as cannon fodder 0o...making a statement, Lay?

Sunrise? No Sunfall & Rising Sun.

I don't know why you guys are picking names that revolve around my National effing Icon...the Sun...

Oh and...

Since when is the Japanese Empire Communist? If I read that right, somebody claimed the GSO was Communist/Socialist and wanted to end Capitalism...

Hint - Japan, Zaibatsu, for Christ's sake...AUTOMOBILES!

Lay, seriously how stupid do you think I am? You act as if you haven't written anything on Rise of the Sun and what its gonna be about, like I can't read your SIC especially some of the conversations your Emperor had, seriously, do I come out looking like a guy who can't read or connect together simplest of concepts? Yeah, there is a war about to start and yeah you are about to start it, yeah its not a war until bullets start flying but the thing is, bullets will start flying and you will fire them and that will happen very soon. I AM NOT RETARDED. Get it? I get kicked out of EII after I loose a war to TOA while fighting alone, don't worry I'll make sure your capitals burn in a nice radiation fire before I go. I'll leave GSO if it once again seems like the repeat of VCO aka Im looking out for everyone's interest and everyone ends up screwing me over not to say that the same thing will happen with GSO, but hell if there are signs I'd rather not wait, I'd rather move my troops to protect myself and myself alone and give me a better fighting chance and hey its not like anyone can blame me from screwing everyone else over, TOA is after me this time, if Im not in the GSO the others don't have to get involved.

You're allowed to RP in as many offsite RPs as you want. It would be improper of us to tell you what you can do off NS that is your life. You can RP in as many Earths on NS as you want to we just request you use a separate username and state for E2.

However, before you begin to point fingers let me draw your attention to this:



I didn't say anything at all and yes I've known about it for a while so you'd do yourself a favor by not "snitching" on others when you, yourself are, in fact, in violation of said rule (nor is it the first time). However, in my older years I've relaxed on the decree and nobody has taken advantage of it save for one person. I'd prefer to have it maintain the status quo but if it's more undue stress, then why the hell not.

Hmm, first statement -

It's not that I disagree with people rping on off site boards...

I sort of disagree with people being complete dick heads on off site boards and seemingly full of free time...

Oh and the second statement -

I quit before it ever began, because I said "Nah, I guess I'll stay in Earth II rather."

So, Layarteb, please...actually read into the fucking thread before going into a full evaluation.

Also - What is it with everyone loving the sun...what did it ever do for us -_- lol

Just so we have this correctly spelled out, you and GSO would have attacked any nation that would have legally RP'ed an invasion of any Japanese territory just because they had a relationship with any of us? Plus you would have attacked anyone that would have said control of this territory for SELLING it? So when did you and your organization begin to rail against capitalism?

This is a frightening stance that all Earth II members need to denote.


-Hawdawg

Don't take this wrong, Haw, I love ya but...

You're saying that defending your allies land is wrong? That, umm, you're evil to try and keep hostile forces out of your allies land?

Okay, hmm...lesson to be learned -

TOA is the most evil organization, being that they seem to pretty much do that all the time. And don't give me any bull shit Lay, I read the constitution and I know your little loophole to keep everyone into a "mutually forced" defense pact.

You gentlemen are so eager to begin war. Do not rush us, we're RP'ing everything out properly so you can't go and claim godmod and this and that was never RP'd etc. Nero is right though, our forces are drilled and ready, yours aren't. They don't just suddenly appear on the battle lines ready to go. Forces drill all the time at peace and when leading up to war. When a ship leaves port it's crew are constantly drilling left and right. Their forces are conducting red vs. blue exercises to stay sharp. So basically, the way it is now, our forces are ready and yours are, well, let's say, unprepared. It'll be a quick and easy romp for the ill-prepared armies of the GSO who have, as Nero put it, stood around talking while our men trained.

Umm...

My forces are, read into my Military Doctrine lost in the forums some where that you have to search for because I don't have to do shit as to re-provide material already posted :-D.

Also, I'm still not sure why this all even fucking started.

As far as I'm concerned -

GSO formed
Prior knowledge of Pushka OOCly before used as a backing to want to station forces near-by ( This in it self being a Godmod, because you're claiming intel on a dead nation...realistically, the new Pushka is a completely different nation from the old Pushka )
Pushka gets worried, and starts as probe some questions.
TOA get defensive, and say we're all ( the GSO, even though before now I haven't said a fucking thing ) hyper paranoid and trying to claim a war has started.
GSO, mostly Pushka and Nero and Panth, say "Umm, no, you're the preparing armies to fucking invade."
TOA states that GSO ENTIRELY with Pushka mostly is claiming bullshit facts so they can bomb TOA, so the world should turn against the GSO because they're hyper hypocrits.
Pushka gets a bit pissed. It's VCO all over again, mainly because TOA is pulling their old tactic. Start shit ICly, continue to fling shit OOCly. Once tempered, apply icing and devour.

Oh, and somehow a lot of revolves around ME.

Still, I am confused, how a nation mutally alligned to the GSO suddenly is a big fucking reason why everyone wants to kill eachother.

Oh, and please...

What the fuck is with Operation Rising Sun? Yea, you're definately not making a statement there.

No we won't but we won't threaten everyone out there who wants it just because they show GSO sympathy.



On a note with RTL. It's resuming after the events of Killswitch Engage V & Against All Enemies so it'll be May 2007. The drug cartels are effectively wiped out but smaller ones remain in the shadows, primarily in southern Mexico, where our seat of power is still growing (we just took it over between February - March 2007). The Emperor has declared the war on drugs a victory in a speech (it'll be in RTL) and so we're still in the WOD RP but a lot has changed.

Er...stationing troops, starting an operation in response to an alliance being started in Siberia and asessing it as a threat to your own security with no real backing, and stationing enough troops to control the world really isn't threatening.

Oh...no you're not making a threatening gesture at all. Fuck, come to Tokyo...we'll give you some Tea and make you feel at home, hell I've got enough concubines for your army too...be careful, some carry a bit of a nasty case of crabs.

On a lighter note -

Cool, the only material you ever really type that doesn't fucking piss people off...oh yea...because your sort of doing it your self and rarely does anyone really post in it icly and only if given permission.

Don't take this wrong, Haw, I love ya but...

You're saying that defending your allies land is wrong? That, umm, you're evil to try and keep hostile forces out of your allies land?

Okay, hmm...lesson to be learned -

TOA is the most evil organization, being that they seem to pretty much do that all the time. And don't give me any bull shit Lay, I read the constitution and I know your little loophole to keep everyone into a "mutually forced" defense pact.

Oh, and I re-call a certain person flipping shit when I put troops on the Papua New Guinea-Indonesian border and having a war games my self...

Who was that person again, I can't recall...maybe you can freshen my memory. Okay, tired of that charade.

So, it is perfectly fine that you and anyone on the TOA's good side to station troops by the thousands on peoples borders, host war games, and the nations who go ahead and call you an ass about it are evil war mongerers.

When I do it, I get this -

"I don't know why, I mean I've always been peaceful. I can't believe Pyschotika would do such a thing."

and I can't believe you'd go to such a low.

It might not be your logic but there's logic. There haven't been any border clashes between you and I because we haven't RP'd any but there would be ones as constant and as frequent along our borders as the DPRK & ROK.



Than obviously you've never actually read our charter in full. If you did you would know that with the TOA charter this can't be done. You see, invading another country is an offensive act. The alliance is not required to stand up for you when you wage offensive war, even if you are attacked by allies of said nation. You can certainly ask but you aren't guaranteed anything. The only reason I personally acted in defense of Cot with Spiz is because he used nuclear weapons. Had he kept it conventional I would have never moved a finger.

Article II, Section VIII



Article III, Section II



There you have it in black & white and the charter is posted in this thread as well, probably somewhere around January 2007 because that's when we officially finished the rewrite (which included significantly more trade options and stuff other than the original charter, which was pitifully made). Even in the original charter it did not guarantee protection in an "offensive" war. Perhaps you should re-read our charter? It's what we've been telling you the entire time because you've made assumptions and baseless accusations by not reading the charter as a whole, only the parts that you wanted to read.

PDF Download (http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Nation-States/Files/Documents/The_October_Alliance_Charter.pdf)



I don't know how you can speak for the whole world. That's pretty brass.



It will only result in the annihilation of the planet if you wish to use Weapons of Mass Destruction and what not since that isn't in our battle plan to use, at least not offensively. So you're saying our 1 post has prevented you from doing your other RPs? That's pretty lame since I've been trying to jumble 4 or 5 RPs while at Sunfall. Try again please because that's definitely not an excuse.



Actually yes I would. Between the superpowers there was a state of peace. Peace is defined as "the normal, nonwarring condition of a nation, group of nations, or the world" which is what the US & USSR had. We may have fought each other through proxy but the guns of the USSR and US were never quite pointed directly at each other (except in certain scenarios). Peace is the absence of war and the wars that existed between the Cold War were often in the Third World and often did see the US & USSR acting through proxy but never directly against each other as the cost of "war" would have been way too great.



GSO war room = offsite forum? If so then no I do not. I don't look at other alliances boards offsite, that'd be pretty bad. I only have access under "Layarteb" to the TOA board though as TheForsakenOutlaw I do have access to all of them (though I only use that name to post articles & go into the moderator control panel). I actually made the "Layarteb" UID because I didn't want to have that access daily because you can see the "last article posted" thread title if you can see the board and I thought that it wouldn't be fair. Even after alliances have fallen apart and their boards removed I have not read through anything. I can give you all my word on that respect.

But you are right, probably too late for a wargame. Sunfall is nearly concluded we just have to have our meeting and then we go into Operation Rising Sun. Cute metaphor I think.

There is no logic to be found in logic when one group claims their logic is the absolute logic and totally disregard all other logic and become bashfull about it. Infact, there is just no logic in the internet to ever be found...especially on a War Sim RP. ( Yes, EII is a War Sim RP...don't deny it lol )

So, if I'm getting this right.......................................................

Technically, no one is allowed to assume or feel any fucking emotion until a bullet hits a body of a foreign army....

Okay, I won't bother with that logic. That logic is the superior logic, all bow to your logic now or face the gallows!

I've read your charter in full...it states that if another nation's army, with-in the alliance, is to be fired upon in any scenario that it is each member's obligation to respond. They wouldn't have to respond militarily, but they are expected to respond in some way. In other words, you're saying it is required to cover your ass but we all know...you are all going to pretty much send in the cavalry's fucking cavalry anyways.

Well, one thing I can agree upon - Spiz.

I don't know how you can make an acusation and we can't...that's pretty "control-freak" like.

The "Activity" thing, haven't seen what Pushka said for you to respond like that but I'll give my fucking bussy schedule and tell you all to go to hell -

Had to drop out of Highschool.

Working to get a GED.

Working to get a job.

Going to start my conversion into Judaism.

Have to possibly find a new home if I can't get along with either parent.

Am forced to go to Therapy.

Yea...

No I'm just unresonable though, because my logic isn't like yours....

So, we're taking the most...THE MOST...delicate situation in our History and comparing it to a fucking online Quarrell. The difference was - They couldn't Godmod, they couldn't bull shit as easily, and they certainly didn't have the world's naive support one way or the other.

I actually won't go into that one...the umm...forum thing...

I'm suing for you to change the latter's name...

Oh and - Just because you put your men through some fireworks show doesn't mean that they automatically, and completely beat fanaticism...strict obediency...units raised to fight or take their own life since they could fucking walk...commanders who face Victory or Complete and Utter Shame...a nation backed on a the most fundamental version of Fascism you will ever see in your human life...

G-d I can't even begin to imagine what else I have in my head...

And you've let us do it :)



Is this "Russian" capitalist where the government has its hand in everything? To be fair though you had no clue that Manchurian Global was giving 50% of the firearms to the government. You even talked about now restricting Dragunov and what not. It isn't bad, the LDC requires gov't approval for exports too.



Every invasion by anybody on E2 has definitely had a reason. Land, border clashes, etc. it's all there. There's reasons in everything. It may not be a reason you concur with but it's a reason.



So I guess you can't complain about the MDP part of our alliance and we can now begin to use the same nonsense you've used on us for how long that if you attack one nation you attack the whole alliance and that's unfair and rawr rawr rawr



You might have given us a reason, you never know :).



Nero has how many people in forced labor camps and as basic slaves? Yeah sorry to say that he's probably not the best person to write up about human rights. If you want to go around the world and trample on the sovereignty of countries by forcing human rights issues and what not down their throat then have fun.



You say we need to take a stab at peace as if a situation exists to the contrary. Until bullets are flying, that's peace.

" Nero has how many people in forced labor camps and as basic slaves? Yeah sorry to say that he's probably not the best person to write up about human rights. If you want to go around the world and trample on the sovereignty of countries by forcing human rights issues and what not down their throat then have fun. "

That caught my eyes...er...

Cotland has killed how many Nerotikans in their lands in a purification effort...Layarteb has forced how many laborers into Greenland or where ever your Concentration Camps are at...wait I'm stopping there briefly for this -

Prrof you pretty much are trying to state that we are all completely inferior because we do not posess your logic, your doctrines, your technology and that magically you know all our most secret evilness'ess and because you claim us to act like third world countries, it is extremely easy to know our weaknesses to the exact holes and flaws of our doctrines and technology and logic...

Oh, and that no matter what...no matter what...no one will ever know of your evils. That's right, because you have some magical inviso-sphere over all the spots your evils happen. Just because of this statement, I'm really giving you hell.

" You might have given us reason, can't compute the rest because it's just flamboyant attempts to piss someone off... "

I love you...

" You say we need to take a stab at peace as if a situation exists to the contrary. Until bullets are flying, that's peace. "

Sure, but what you're trying to make the 3rd Party viewers think is we're trying to be trendy and jump down your throats and your backed into a corner with no other choice. Whatever, you have such a hard time putting together your RPs because your soooo bussy that your still able to put together a clever mind game and waste so many hours deviating on AIM and thinking your fucking brilliant because your playing hard ball with a bunch of guys on a stupid forum about who has the biggest stick. Get laid, go smoke weed, do something and loosen up from this ultra-conservative way of having to make everything seem so backward yet so right.

" So I guess you can't complain about the MDP part of our alliance and we can now begin to use the same nonsense you've used on us for how long that if you attack one nation you attack the whole alliance and that's unfair and rawr rawr rawr "

Lolz, I thinkzor he meantz a diff. contextz nubcake!

" And you've let us do it :) "

So basically your saying you're happy it's going like this, because you do want us to attack you eventually...your just trying to claim we're stalling or something from an inevitable we're trying to create and start up even though we've done nothing as to build up because obviously we don't want mutually assured destruction of the planet, we want to co-exist and be the alternative to relying on the TOA. But you can't have this, because it ruins your perfect Utopia...your Garden of Eden...your Kingdom of Heaven...we are the impure quality that will spread like a wild fire, and you have to douse it before the ember turns into that devouring flame...find the cure before we become the beubonic plague...

Admit it, you're scared. You're all scared, and you are being as dirty and cheap as possible to put an end to this as easily as you can because you know [Wargamed or not] that we can inflict mass casualty, and we hold the potential to end the "World". So, why not, go pull the mind games, make it appear that the GSO is freaking out and saying the TOA are a bunch of Warmongerers...VICTIMIZE YOUR SELVES IN ORDER TO PROVE A POINT THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE PROVED! When will everyone realize it? That you're just a timid group of children, at heart, and you don't want your perfect play ground to be taken over by the family down the street.

Thank you, for ruining any chance for fun and pinning the blame on someone else. You, sire, are the perfect example of what is wrong with America today.

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Disclaimer: I love talking with you guys, I love hanging out with you guys..albeit online...and I don't mind you guys. Yet, somehow, we end up being the fallable ass whipes in order to save your existance, that isn't even near to being threatened. Never was it the ultimate goal to eliminate the TOA, but only to provide a balance and make people feel that they don't have to look over their shoulders to the one mega-alliance that can literally say what is and what isn't. You control Earth II with an Iron Fist, my friend, both ICly and OOCly. Admit it, or deny it. However, I know what I know. I believe in what I know, and I know you too well. I am the all seeing eye, I read a person like he is a story. I live in a lie, I live in a fragile existance that is a lie. Please, don't start lying with me now.

I still owe you a bitch slap for some of the things you've said about me in the past, so give it a shot and you'll get a harder one in return.....:p

Anyhoo, good to know you're staying. Having you in charge of Japan helps keep eastern Asia relatively stable, because it's just really you and me there. Just don't let TOA swarm all over you too much ;)

Trust me, I'm more than capable of holding off a swarm of a pathetically engineered invasion.

And that's just with my little finger, :-).

Uh, um, ive asked to be taken off D13 TWICE since i was put on, but noone ever seems to see it. And also, i am waiting on Kreynoria at last check. I have nothing to RP at the moment, and i dont start RPs very well, i respond to them.
And what diplomatic mission is that?

*sigh*

Monkeys monkeys, bananna splits...

It appears that we shalln't see if the GSO's bite is as strong as its bark at this point in time. Or shall we...?

:: returns to the shadows ::

:: grabs by collar, and rips out of the shadows ::

My bark is plenty painful than my word...

Oh and...I am the shadows...of the...night so...baby take my...hand...it'll...be alright?

1. Can't stand Capitalism.
2. Uses threats as a Foreign Policy Stance.
3. Maintains a mutual defense pact.
4. Can't stand TOA.


I'm more or less doing this for shits and giggles but...

1. Wow, and so how did I end up in the GSO?
2. OOC statements taken, bent, and totally absorbed in the most backward fashion possible count as IC Foreign Policies? Hmm...I guess I'm the stupid one after all.
3. Hell yea, what's wrong with that? Oh, that's right, militaries are a no-no...lets destroy our weapons and use the money we waste anually on feed the children programmes!
4. Nah, just trying to provide a balance...which the TOA can't stand.

Sadly, I just know that Layarteb, or Cotland for that matter, will read past the first three lines...and skim atleast every two words...it'll be more like a page flipper, not caring...lets get to the end!

[Sorry, Hirg, I know at the first syllable you'll be running your mouth off...no offense, think you're awesome but you get like that sometimes.]

Thanks for that, Nero. I admit that I'd love to see an EII world map with a huge red blob where the nations of eastern Asia used to be. Anyhoo, just keep in mind that Pushka does have a somewhat 'special relationship' with the UER; I understand that you guys want to keep everything in the GSO, but it's not like I'd use the territories against you or allow them to be used against you. I do believe that Pushka would still be able to have his Pacific Fleet sailing out of Japan (according to our treaties and such).

Of course, this entire discussion is moot unless Pys is actually leaving.

See, Marimaia...he makes sense. Mari, please, Logics 101.

Now...

To be frank - I do trust the GSO with protecting my dead ass, but it is true...Marimaia is the sole claimant to my land if I were gone. He is the 'heir' to my throne, the sultan to my king, the boy concubine to my scantidly clad spartan, yes...we do it...a lot...it makes our wongy thingys tingle and produce odd tasting milk...note to world - odd white tastey thing from wongy thingys does not mix well with corn flakes...

Now...by now you can all see the slow deterioration of my mental aspect of all things me...trust me...end the fucking piss fight or you really won't like Earth II's destiny...see...more or less, the TOA troops should've been placed nearest me...the damned sea.

First I would like to state that the views and opinions of Pushka are his own, the GSO (I believe I am speaking for everyone here) see's nothing wronge with healthy capitalism and basically the entire of the TOA. What we do see wronge is the use of military force to establish your way of thinking into the people (Maybe not your way of thinking, more or less invasion of territories to expand your already large nations).

I see this as a modern day roman era, nations fighting for control of more territory and with modern technology this wide expanse is possible. Now see, I have no problem with the TOA except for its rejection of recognizing the USR as a state and not just a blip of land in the middle of russia. But the TOA has not truly done anything to the USR, Cotland has but not the TOA in a whole. We do feel rightfully rejected throughout the international community as when Cotland felt the need to invade not a single nation came to our aid, which is why we hesitated to comply with the GSO charter in protecting the federation territories. What we see the GSO as (Though a member this is my opinion) is Pushka's attempt at building a coalition to protect himself. Now this protection makes sence though when the largest alliance (And only alliance) of nations decide that the federation does not deserve its land, or somthing along that line. Either way by threatening invasion you are threatening the GSO alliance from even building strength and so if you invade pushka you invade the GSO as we are basically one nation now under seperate rules.

It makes more sence when not every other sentence is "TOA this and TOA that."

Also, about that capitalist thing. I and im sure most of the other nations see no problem with purchasing territories owned by the GSO, we see a problem with military use to take the territories, or military occupation of the territories even after purchase. A war like stance on a simple purchase of land is more then a statment of how you will treat the natives of that territory, I for one would not stand to see people treated in the manner that cotland says he has treated even the rebels in the invaded territories. I understand that rebellion is a problem in an invaded territory but a jail sentence without the murder of the entire family sounds a little more fair.

So in sumation, we at the GSO take no responsibility for what the federation says or does, what we take responsibilty for are the people that the TOA are threatening with such a large military build-up in a centralized area.
More fair, yes, in RL I completely agree with you. What you have to keep in mind though is that ICly, the Realm believes that having rebels executed publically and brutally sets a far better example than to lock them up where they can potentially plan further uprisings and where it cost the tax payers far more to keep them fed, clothed and healthy for upwards of several decades than it costs to pay for a bullet or ten. It's also far more discouraging to know that not only you, but also your family will be killed if you try something stupid against the Cots than to know that if you do something stupid, you'll just get thrown in jail. True, Cottish jails aren't a place you want to go to, but still.
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Cotland has killed how many Nerotikans in their lands in a purification effort...Layarteb has forced how many laborers into Greenland or where ever your Concentration Camps are at...wait I'm stopping there briefly for this

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A few hundred, where approximately 50 - 60 % were irregular combatants (legitimate targets in Cottish ROE) and the remainder unfortunate collateral damage (note - official estimates). The thing is, I'm not claiming to be adhering to human rights, although when it comes to my own citizens, I am for the most part. As for non-citizens, they aren't any of my government's concern (IC position).

I have to say that I agree with Pys on one thing though. We've got to start seperating better between IC and OOC.

And yes Pys, I actually took the time to read through your ranting and bitching. You know that button next to the familiar "quote" button at the bottom of the posts? Press that one for every post you want to reply to and then press the "Reply" button. Voilá! Everything you want to reply to appears in the same post. Saves a lot of effort...

Oh geez...you misunderstand TOA, you think they can be reasoned with, they can't, they want to take our land, today its me, tomorrow it can be you and they don't care about anything else, I thought we have been over this already.

You know what screw this, if things continue on like this Im gonna pull out of GSO and Im gonna fight the battle TOA is bringing to me (for no reason) myself, just don't be sad then TOA plans an unprovoked attack on you and you are the one who is alone. Yeah I can't defeat the whole of TOA on my own, but I will put up a hell of a battle and I will make sure that they take a long time to recover from the damage I've caused. If Im getting kicked out of EII after loosing that war the legacy I'd like to leave is that I did my best to counter the threat TOA poses on the whole world and I stood alone while others stood on the side and did nothing, hopefully someone will exploit my sacrifice and kill the bastards while they're trying to heal up. All for greater good of the human kind on EII. I am sick and tired of my intentions being twisted and misunderstood by nations of the TOA and it is especially annoying then my own allies give in to their baseless propaganda.

I have promised you aide, I have already devoted troops to any conflict that may occur and I believe the entire GSO has as well. We are complying with the GSO charter and here to protect this alliance before it can fail. I do not think the TOA can be reasoned with but what I dont want is the thought that the entire GSO is fighting this potential war because its the TOA.

Pushka, I know that you wont need to be informed on this so please you do not need to comment here, first off all TOA members the GSO is not your enemy but any attack on the GSO will result if the same were to happen to the TOA "Attack one you attack us all." If this were any other nation I would be reacting the same, I would devote my nation to fight any battle with any country that tried to attack a GSO member (Or even a non-GSO member for no reason). Its just with the TOA being such a large powerhouse you are the obvious enemy of the GSO because no matter what you do, if the GSO comes in to fight back the entire TOA will be on us even if it were only one nation we challanged on foreign land (Thats to say land that is neither the GSO's or TOA nations). You have organized yourselves in such a way that you feel the need to fight every battle together, under the promise of peace to even the most peaceful of lands. Your expanse is far greater then that of the GSO's but you cannot and I should say must not believe that we are small so therefore we are weak. I am sure the Federation is capable of fighting you alone, but that would defeat the purpose of trying to unite the GSO.

Now from what I said before, it was mearly my opinion pushka. Although I see the GSO as being created as Lay said it "fodder for the federation." I do see potential in this alliance and so we will play into this fodder. We know you are capable of fighting alone, infact you might even be better at it but its just something we cannot let happen. You do not need to pull out of the GSO, we are here to protect these lands but please refrain from the constant "Evil TOA" comments, trust me we all know.

"Nero has how many people in forced labor camps and as basic slaves? Yeah sorry to say that he's probably not the best person to write up about human rights. If you want to go around the world and trample on the sovereignty of countries by forcing human rights issues and what not down their throat then have fun."

I saw this while running down the page where Pys basically wrote every post...

Anyway, yes I have people in forces labor camps. But because it is not the most public of knowledge you can basically forget that whole thing. I may not have a true constitution or whatnot down but I will state the USR policy to make clear why I have such camps.

The use of prison terms (Or camp imprisonment) on the basis of USR Policies

1) The USR outlaws all use of religion. Religion is seen as an unnecessary cloud in ones mind, though there may be a god most things of his nature are explained scientifically and so by outlawing religion we may have free and open minds to expand the nation on. All people practicing religion or preaching it will be imprisoned under this law.

2) The revolution left this nation in a slightly unstable condition and so any item seen that threatens this government administration or our great leader will be seen as an attempt to rebel or revolt and will be dealt with as such. The creation of a certain police branch has dealt with this but for those that do not violate the law to the extreme they will be given a sentence and placed in imprisonment.

3) There will be fair treatment in such prisons/camps, meals and excercise will be given to the prisoners but because of the laws they broke they are basic common slaves. Because the healthy of these prisoners are seen as a fresh work force they will be used as such. Prisoners of the ages of 16-55 will work in prodution lines for the USR companies and military. The prisoners that do not reach the health or age requirements will not be given extra meals but will be treated like a regular prisoner until they either reach that age or their sentence ends.

4) In the event that a sentence ends the prisoner will be released but under close watch for 5 years. This is to make sure the prisoner does not decide to go back to his ways that had gotten him imprisoned.

A few hundred, where approximately 50 - 60 % were irregular combatants (legitimate targets in Cottish ROE) and the remainder unfortunate collateral damage (note - official estimates). The thing is, I'm not claiming to be adhering to human rights, although when it comes to my own citizens, I am for the most part. As for non-citizens, they aren't any of my government's concern (IC position).

I have to say that I agree with Pys on one thing though. We've got to start seperating better between IC and OOC.

And yes Pys, I actually took the time to read through your ranting and bitching. You know that button next to the familiar "quote" button at the bottom of the posts? Press that one for every post you want to reply to and then press the "Reply" button. Voilá! Everything you want to reply to appears in the same post. Saves a lot of effort...

Oh, sure since it's your ROE then it's a-okay...nothing evil about it :-P.

I hope you all know most of those posts were made in a sarcastic way, but I know most of you are going to be tight asses about it so oh well.

Oh and....it didn't take that much effort, trust me.

See, Marimaia...he makes sense. Mari, please, Logics 101.

Now...

To be frank - I do trust the GSO with protecting my dead ass, but it is true...Marimaia is the sole claimant to my land if I were gone. He is the 'heir' to my throne, the sultan to my king, the boy concubine to my scantidly clad spartan, yes...we do it...a lot...it makes our wongy thingys tingle and produce odd tasting milk...note to world - odd white tastey thing from wongy thingys does not mix well with corn flakes...

Now...by now you can all see the slow deterioration of my mental aspect of all things me...trust me...end the fucking piss fight or you really won't like Earth II's destiny...see...more or less, the TOA troops should've been placed nearest me...the damned sea.

Sorry, doing my best to annoy Cotland apparently.

See...

Read this post.

Look at it...

READ IT!!!

Yes, I was completely in a rantful mood last night :rolleyes: .

See, that's what it is going to boil down to. I make a statement of any kind, and now I'm apparently the only one being a dickhead. No matter how sarcastically non-chalant I can make it while proving a point, I'm still the bad guy of the entire thing.

Funny...


On a completely different note, after 11 years, the Norwegian military have finally decided on what kind of assault rifle its forces is to be equipped with for the next 20 - 30 years. And the lucky winner is....

The HK 416!

http://www.hk-usa.com/images/products/law_enforcement/hk416/general/hk416_145w_glm_right.jpg

This was a complete surprise, as no one outside the military even knew that the HK 416 was being considered, but it's a great addition to the forces nevertheless. The government's signed a contract for an initial 8,200 rifles which are to be distributed to all branches, starting this november, and the first rifles are going with our forces overseas come summer 2008. It looks like I get to play with one when I'm joining the Air Force in '09 instead of the old AG-3 (G3A3), which will be retired after faithful service since 1975...! :)

http://www.mil.no/start/aktuelt/nyheter/article.jhtml?articleID=139302


HK 416 being put through its paces (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ObWpWXrt9I)

Oh and how am I qualified as cannon fodder 0o...making a statement, Lay?

It's a theory of mine that Pushka's alliances are built to provide cannon fodder between him and the "TOA" since when the alliances form, the big talk begins.

I don't know why you guys are picking names that revolve around my National effing Icon...the Sun...

It wasn't intentional but it sounded good.

Lay, seriously how stupid do you think I am? You act as if you haven't written anything on Rise of the Sun and what its gonna be about, like I can't read your SIC especially some of the conversations your Emperor had, seriously, do I come out looking like a guy who can't read or connect together simplest of concepts? Yeah, there is a war about to start and yeah you are about to start it, yeah its not a war until bullets start flying but the thing is, bullets will start flying and you will fire them and that will happen very soon. I AM NOT RETARDED. Get it? I get kicked out of EII after I loose a war to TOA while fighting alone, don't worry I'll make sure your capitals burn in a nice radiation fire before I go. I'll leave GSO if it once again seems like the repeat of VCO aka Im looking out for everyone's interest and everyone ends up screwing me over not to say that the same thing will happen with GSO, but hell if there are signs I'd rather not wait, I'd rather move my troops to protect myself and myself alone and give me a better fighting chance and hey its not like anyone can blame me from screwing everyone else over, TOA is after me this time, if Im not in the GSO the others don't have to get involved.

I still fail to see how you get kicked out of E2 by losing a war. You think we'd occupy all of it? Too much there to occupy.

Hmm, first statement -

It's not that I disagree with people rping on off site boards...

I sort of disagree with people being complete dick heads on off site boards and seemingly full of free time...

Oh and the second statement -

I quit before it ever began, because I said "Nah, I guess I'll stay in Earth II rather."

So, Layarteb, please...actually read into the fucking thread before going into a full evaluation.

Also - What is it with everyone loving the sun...what did it ever do for us -_- lol

Not that I've kept count how many "NS RPs" you've joined but you might want to not complain about people with what they do offsite. Leave offsite stuff, offsite.

Umm...

My forces are, read into my Military Doctrine lost in the forums some where that you have to search for because I don't have to do shit as to re-provide material already posted :-D.

Also, I'm still not sure why this all even fucking started.

As far as I'm concerned -

GSO formed
Prior knowledge of Pushka OOCly before used as a backing to want to station forces near-by ( This in it self being a Godmod, because you're claiming intel on a dead nation...realistically, the new Pushka is a completely different nation from the old Pushka )
Pushka gets worried, and starts as probe some questions.
TOA get defensive, and say we're all ( the GSO, even though before now I haven't said a fucking thing ) hyper paranoid and trying to claim a war has started.
GSO, mostly Pushka and Nero and Panth, say "Umm, no, you're the preparing armies to fucking invade."
TOA states that GSO ENTIRELY with Pushka mostly is claiming bullshit facts so they can bomb TOA, so the world should turn against the GSO because they're hyper hypocrits.
Pushka gets a bit pissed. It's VCO all over again, mainly because TOA is pulling their old tactic. Start shit ICly, continue to fling shit OOCly. Once tempered, apply icing and devour.

Oh, and somehow a lot of revolves around ME.

Still, I am confused, how a nation mutally alligned to the GSO suddenly is a big fucking reason why everyone wants to kill eachother.

Oh, and please...

What the fuck is with Operation Rising Sun? Yea, you're definately not making a statement there.

Not quite the turn of events but it's somewhat like it. We're doing a new tactic though not an old one. We do like the old tactics though. The OOC stuff is flinging on both sides though not just 1 side. Actually nothing revolves around you yet though.

Er...stationing troops, starting an operation in response to an alliance being started in Siberia and asessing it as a threat to your own security with no real backing, and stationing enough troops to control the world really isn't threatening.

Oh...no you're not making a threatening gesture at all. Fuck, come to Tokyo...we'll give you some Tea and make you feel at home, hell I've got enough concubines for your army too...be careful, some carry a bit of a nasty case of crabs.

On a lighter note -

Cool, the only material you ever really type that doesn't fucking piss people off...oh yea...because your sort of doing it your self and rarely does anyone really post in it icly and only if given permission.

This is not being done in response to the formation of GSO. And the last part beginning with "Cool," = huh?

TOA is the most evil organization, being that they seem to pretty much do that all the time. And don't give me any bull shit Lay, I read the constitution and I know your little loophole to keep everyone into a "mutually forced" defense pact.

What loophole? We're not evil though.

Cotland has killed how many Nerotikans in their lands in a purification effort...Layarteb has forced how many laborers into Greenland or where ever your Concentration Camps are at...wait I'm stopping there briefly for this -

Neither of us are championing for human rights and no concentration or forced labor camps in the EOL. Only prisons and you go to prison if you break the law.

Prrof you pretty much are trying to state that we are all completely inferior because we do not posess your logic, your doctrines, your technology and that magically you know all our most secret evilness'ess and because you claim us to act like third world countries, it is extremely easy to know our weaknesses to the exact holes and flaws of our doctrines and technology and logic...

Oh, and that no matter what...no matter what...no one will ever know of your evils. That's right, because you have some magical inviso-sphere over all the spots your evils happen. Just because of this statement, I'm really giving you hell.

More "huh"?

I've read your charter in full...it states that if another nation's army, with-in the alliance, is to be fired upon in any scenario that it is each member's obligation to respond. They wouldn't have to respond militarily, but they are expected to respond in some way. In other words, you're saying it is required to cover your ass but we all know...you are all going to pretty much send in the cavalry's fucking cavalry anyways.

If attacked flat out yes we are and you are right, not always militarily but not in an offensive war. If Cotland invades you and you attack him in return we're not obligated to help.

Admit it, you're scared. You're all scared, and you are being as dirty and cheap as possible to put an end to this as easily as you can because you know [Wargamed or not] that we can inflict mass casualty, and we hold the potential to end the "World". So, why not, go pull the mind games, make it appear that the GSO is freaking out and saying the TOA are a bunch of Warmongerers...VICTIMIZE YOUR SELVES IN ORDER TO PROVE A POINT THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE PROVED! When will everyone realize it? That you're just a timid group of children, at heart, and you don't want your perfect play ground to be taken over by the family down the street.

Thank you, for ruining any chance for fun and pinning the blame on someone else. You, sire, are the perfect example of what is wrong with America today.

Huh?

Actually "huh" to almost all of your posts...

For Christ Sake! Take this to the battlefield already!
Its like highschool girls.

For Christ Sake! Take this to the battlefield already!
Its like highschool girls.

Agreed.

For Christ Sake! Take this to the battlefield already!
Its like highschool girls.

Indeed...

We need fewer wars of words and more wars of bullets.

I'm spoiling for a fight. Anyone with a halfassed (or full-assed) reason for war TG me.

You guys have to have patience. Things like this can't just happen instantly it takes time to build up. Don't worry just pay attention to the last part of the Sunfall RP (the yacht) and the war will begin.

The war of words was actually coming to an end too (if you notice me and Push's replies began to get smaller & smaller) but Psychotika came in and went buck wild. Oh well, I do have to give him that he does have to make up for all the time he couldn't get on so I'm not po'd.

I still fail to see how you get kicked out of E2 by losing a war. You think we'd occupy all of it? Too much there to occupy.


Oh, so you expect me to stay here if I loose to TOA and it will be proven that nothing can stop the TOA bullshit? Don't worry I won't loose, even if you have success in the campaign against me at the end there won't be enough of you left to enjoy your "victory", I will give EII this gift, I will destroy TOA even if I have to go down myself in the process. I didn't want this but it seems that TOA has decided everything for me, alright, waiting for you to begin.

Push it's not being done to kick you or anyone out of E2 at all...

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Push it's not being done to kick you or anyone out of E2 at all...

I understand that (although Im pretty sure that at the end of all thats what its going to come down to, you're not as hungry for land as your buddies Hirgy and Cot), however, what will be a point for me to remain? War with TOA lost (and thus resulting apocalypse that I'll have to bring forward), world lying in ruins, my own homeland very much nuked (same as yours and those of other participating TOA nations) and nothing else has changed. Yeah at that point I think Im gonna leave if it comes down to it which I'll make sure it won't, Im not going down easy and now for the first time I actually have allies who have enough balls to stay by my side.

I understand that (although Im pretty sure that at the end of all thats what its going to come down to, you're not as hungry for land as your buddies Hirgy and Cot), however, what will be a point for me to remain? War with TOA lost (and thus resulting apocalypse that I'll have to bring forward), world lying in ruins, my own homeland very much nuked (same as yours and those of other participating TOA nations) and nothing else has changed. Yeah at that point I think Im gonna leave if it comes down to it which I'll make sure it won't, Im not going down easy and now for the first time I actually have allies who have enough balls to stay by my side.

Nah they're not hungry for land. Hirg is basically at the limit and Cot has bled away a ton of territory through time.

Nah they're not hungry for land. Hirg is basically at the limit and Cot has bled away a ton of territory through time.

Which didn't prevent him from recently taking Nero's land but thats not my point at all. TOA wins it goes boom and then I go boom so whats the point?

Why would you ruin E2 for everyone just because of a loss?

So my enemies lie in ruin, so my sacrifice isn't in vein.

Hmm...I vote you madman of the year.

Im not gonna nuke everyone mate, just you and your buddies. I mean on one hand my people have enslavement, discrimination and loosing to the evil forces of the world, on the other sacrificing themselves to kill their enemy, a very Russian thing to do. But okay, I guess Im mad then, although Im not going to start the series of events that might lead to my final act.

Im not gonna nuke everyone mate, just you and your buddies. I mean on one hand my people have enslavement, discrimination and loosing to the evil forces of the world, on the other sacrificing themselves to kill their enemy, a very Russian thing to do. But okay, I guess Im mad then, although Im not going to start the series of events that might lead to my final act.

You think that much radiation won't contaminate everything on the planet?

Im not gonna nuke everyone mate, just you and your buddies. I mean on one hand my people have enslavement, discrimination and loosing to the evil forces of the world, on the other sacrificing themselves to kill their enemy, a very Russian thing to do. But okay, I guess Im mad then, although Im not going to start the series of events that might lead to my final act.

Just for the record, if you nuke all of us you will effectively destroy the world. We are spread out all over the globe so launching will contaminate the entire planet. Not just "us".

Probably will, but once again, my people are not oppressed (they're dead), my enemies are defeated. You are the ones bringing war to me, I don't think you can really judge me on things like this, I will do whatever it takes to defeat my enemies. In any case, lets see this war rolling first there is a good chance that I won't have to go to such extents and in any case, say whatever you want, that decision is mine now the decision to start the war is yours.

Sure I can judge, already did. It's a pretty lame way to be a sore loser to be honest.

See, this is why i don't use nukes. Nobody wins.

Chemicals are so much more neat and tidy.

See, this is why i don't use nukes. Nobody wins.

Chemicals are so much more neat and tidy.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Two things:

No. 1, I think from a gameplay standpoint that the nuke-attack suggested above should be outlawed...I understand that in reality I wouldn't be able to do that, but if the whole world is useless, then there's no Earth II. Either that or "recreate" Earth with all lands intact- minus the "nuker" of course.

No. 2, could this be time to reprise the World War idea? Since I intend to be a non-participant (again), I shall also reprise my role as moderator (with help in case anyone else wants to sign up for that).

Oh thx Rome for taking the side of the bastards that are starting this war. Meh, Im not gonna nuke their whole countries, just their capitols and a few other major industrial cities plus all main military command HQs. In any case, if they start this war Im not loosing it, that would only prove that TOA has no boundaries at all, they can come into any nation and take whatever the hell they want, they need to learn that there are punishments for such actions.

Agreed.

Rome...you're the one who pansies out of any conflict and tries to be the first to host a block party...

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Anyways, I'm actually finding it funny you went 'Huh?' which tells me you weren't reading the posts in the correct context, however I don't give a fuck.

Anyways, my only qualm is that Cotland tries to use Nerotika's Concentration Camps as a reason to justify a war with Nero or the GSO. Then I point out that "Oh, so then it's not evil that you killed Nerotikan Civilians for not wanting to recognize you just yet, seeing as you described a spectrum ranging from Meagre Support to Rebellious". Then he didn't quite make a response on it, and then you sort of popped out and didn't make sense of anything either.

The "Cool" comment meant -

Sweet, more RTL. The only material you type up that somehow doesn't piss anyone off. Get it? Haha, oh I get it.

The Mood I was in last night - Nonchalant, and giddy.

The fact everyone in a third party view even bothers getting involved is like...oh the geeks at school deciding to get involved in the Cheerleaders' bitch slap festival.

Pushka, no we're not being kicked out.

Nerotika, I thought you were going to rehab...

Layarteb, in the most friendly way possible - Pull the pineapple outta the ass. There isn't anything new this time other than trying to have complete IC/SIC Posts completely publicised and put out there because you think that we're going to just repeatedly blast you as a God Modder at every move you make, every turn you take, and every bullet you forsake.

Cotland, sweet. The German rip-off of the M4.

Hirg, dammit where are you?

Mari, still my concubine boy to my scantidly clad Spartan.

Hawdawg, I like putting troops on borders for no reason and then dumping ordinances like effing crazy and blame the weather too. It's a joke, so you know.

Panth, where did you run off too 0o?

Khaif, this is more of a joking statement...where the fuck've you been? [Yes, we had the AIM chat. I just thought I'd say that...]

Rome, stop pulling the Expansionist Tendancies and then retreating to your bunker each time someone mentions anything starting with Wa.

Wa Ping, I'm sorry...your no longer wanted here.

Jolt, please...why the hell must you only let me connect in the early ass morning and the late fucking nights? I hate you...I honestly do.

Barney, why did I ever like you as a child?

Layarteb again, I'm beginning to wonder...maybe you're just not acting...maybe you sincerely lack in-depth comprehension, not a horrible thing...and it could be the fact I think so fast and type so fast sometimes it comes out jarbled, but still...when someone else tries to point something out...you're always responding with a dud answer, not saying anything here...Bush lacks in-depth comprehension but I honestly think the guy is intelligent, okay better example...I can lack in-depth clarity in my fucking speach, so there...we're equal...so either you just act like you don't get anything someone says, or you don't get anything...well you don't get some things...nevermind this is going to be flamatory in some way and I won't understand why because I'm seriously not trying to make a bad statement here but I always end up making on -_-

Mari, your the Robin to my Batman...now...combine our Navies, you know you want too...me and you against the world, ya know we could do it. Hell, you could be Batman this go.

Tyrandis, EDIT: Nevermind...I can't remember if it was you or someone else, oh screw it...where are ya?

Kreynoria, shouldn't you be making some sort of statement by now?

and...finally...

Spizania, Palawan I heard is a very nice island...very...nice...

I lied...

Pyschotika [Me, yes me and not my split personality], Why doesn't anyone understand that you speak in Metaphors, you joke quite frequently, that you're a light hearted person, and just go "ahh, imperialist ass hole!!!"

I lied again...

Layarteb, I forgot - No, I'm not saying it REVOLVES around me, just the fact that oh you have your thing with Mari...you have all the "OMG IF PYSCHO ANNEXES OTHER COUNTRY, WE GO BOOMY ON TOKYO", yet I'm still pissy that Cotland tries to claim *not so long ago, back when we were all about to go to war...* that he can have subs 20,000 Nautical Miles away, I can't even detect them no matter what even if God himself came to me and pointed them out, and I wouldn't be able to shoot down the hail storm of nuclear warheads even if I tried to whack them out of the sky with my dick.

Trust me, sometimes people just get pissy with you and your friends because you and your friends sometimes, possibly not ever awknowledging it, claim to have some really unrealistically fucked up shit.

Well, that's it for me tonight. Now to go ahead and continue my sad life.

Oh thx Rome for taking the side of the bastards that are starting this war. Meh, Im not gonna nuke their whole countries, just their capitols and a few other major industrial cities plus all main military command HQs. In any case, if they start this war Im not loosing it, that would only prove that TOA has no boundaries at all, they can come into any nation and take whatever the hell they want, they need to learn that there are punishments for such actions.

*sigh*

And my point remains mute once again...ah...why do I even bother, people don't use their brains.

Pyschotika you have the smallest clue out of everyone to what is actually going on and your posts make little to no sense, as usual. Now you continue to post more of nothingness. Now are you done with the nonsensical rants because we had all the "rawr comments" put to an end but now you want to revive them and take it further, away from the civilized attitude that we had and venture towards flaming, which is what we were aiming to avoid in total. Any time you want to come down from whatever high horse your on that's fine. Why not coherently air your problem rather than just a bunch of immature half-completed sentences that take four times to read they're so awfully done. Whatever problems you have at home keep them there don't bring them here, we're not here to serve as a punching bag. Now, until you can actually post something worthwhile please don't or just TG me or something with whatever you want to say to me or else hush.

Anyways, my only qualm is that Cotland tries to use Nerotika's Concentration Camps as a reason to justify a war with Nero or the GSO. Then I point out that "Oh, so then it's not evil that you killed Nerotikan Civilians for not wanting to recognize you just yet, seeing as you described a spectrum ranging from Meagre Support to Rebellious". Then he didn't quite make a response on it, and then you sort of popped out and didn't make sense of anything either.

Okay.... If you'd bother to get your head out of your buttocks and actually read the RP where I was at war with Nero, you'll find that I never mentioned Neros concentation camps, not have I personally tried to justify a war with Nero with the concentraiton camps. As far as I'm concerned ICly, we have no idea they exist. So there.

With that said, I second what Layarteb said in his last post.

I would like to adjust my population here on Earth II to 950,000,000.



-Hawdawg

Here...

It's fucking official this time -

To Marimaia -

You can have it all, my empire of shit. I love that song...

Anyways....

Marimaia

Cambodia, India (Manipur, Nagaland), Indonesia (part), Japan, Kamchatka Oblast, Khabarovsk Krai, Kurile Islands, Laos, Myanmar, Sakhalin Oblast (minus Kuriles), Thailand

Azimeth

Australia (Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales, Southern Australia [part], Western Austraila [part])

RomeW

California (Channel Is)

There, I quit. I'm more of a fucking menace than anything else, and all I'm ever going to ammount to is some pile of shit. Anyways, atleast for a favor divide the lands like I have asked. The Empire of Japan is now defunct, Chinese forces to be assumed occupying the Colonies and an Official Document of Annexation of the Japanese Islands.

The Channel Islands Military Base and Research Complex has been ceded to the Roman Empire [RomeW].

The Australasia Colonies transferred to Azimeth prior to the dissolution of the Empire.

I'm done, now you can all have your fucking war with Pushka and you won't have to worry about me ever bothering you guys again.

Lay told me to get my head out of me ass, so I did. Getting it out of this fuck up RP as well.

EDIT: PS Yes, fuck up. Yes, me ass. You know, sometimes, people type in an odd way because it's just more suiting for the intact humour they still have.

Deep South Would Like To Claim Bolivia And Inquire If Ther's Any Way We Could Coerce N. Carolina Or Chapel Area At Least From Its Current Holder

Here...

It's fucking official this time -

To Marimaia -

You can have it all, my empire of shit. I love that song...

Anyways....

Marimaia

Cambodia, India (Manipur, Nagaland), Indonesia (part), Japan, Kamchatka Oblast, Khabarovsk Krai, Kurile Islands, Laos, Myanmar, Sakhalin Oblast (minus Kuriles), Thailand

Azimeth

Australia (Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales, Southern Australia [part], Western Austraila [part])

RomeW

California (Channel Is)

There, I quit. I'm more of a fucking menace than anything else, and all I'm ever going to ammount to is some pile of shit. Anyways, atleast for a favor divide the lands like I have asked. The Empire of Japan is now defunct, Chinese forces to be assumed occupying the Colonies and an Official Document of Annexation of the Japanese Islands.

The Channel Islands Military Base and Research Complex has been ceded to the Roman Empire [RomeW].

The Australasia Colonies transferred to Azimeth prior to the dissolution of the Empire.

I'm done, now you can all have your fucking war with Pushka and you won't have to worry about me ever bothering you guys again.

Lay told me to get my head out of me ass, so I did. Getting it out of this fuck up RP as well.

EDIT: PS Yes, fuck up. Yes, me ass. You know, sometimes, people type in an odd way because it's just more suiting for the intact humour they still have.

You could have at least given my the siberian claims =-P, aight dude your getting way to worked up over this.

The Deep South Would like to claim germany. We are aware of decree 13, but are not aware of any contact between germania and the moderator. If there is any claim to the land already, or Germania has already contacted the moderator, thats fine. We just saw the opportunity to get land that is important to several member nations as they were apparently born there. any thing that can be done would be great. Failing that, there is a request for the seventy odd miles between baden baden and Berlin and everything w/in one hundred miles of that.

I would like to adjust my population here on Earth II to 950,000,000.

-Hawdawg

With all the drama I don't want this to go unnoticed.

Deep South Would Like To Claim Bolivia And Inquire If Ther's Any Way We Could Coerce N. Carolina Or Chapel Area At Least From Its Current Holder

I believe Layarteb has possession of the Carolinas you will have to ask him if he would be willing to sell you portions of NC, but I doubt he would.

The Deep South Would like to claim germany. We are aware of decree 13, but are not aware of any contact between germania and the moderator. If there is any claim to the land already, or Germania has already contacted the moderator, thats fine. We just saw the opportunity to get land that is important to several member nations as they were apparently born there. any thing that can be done would be great. Failing that, there is a request for the seventy odd miles between baden baden and Berlin and everything w/in one hundred miles of that.

I didn't know that North Germania was D13 status? I do know that he was/is suffering from the backlash of the New Orleans situation. I haven't see him online in awhile, but I am sure Layarteb can shed some light on this.


-Hawdawg

I confirm this transaction of land from Psychotika and in response resign from Earth II. I secede all of my land, including the newly received Japanese colonies, to the Terronians, should they still be active in Earth II.

I confirm this transaction of land from Psychotika and in response resign from Earth II. I secede all of my land, including the newly received Japanese colonies, to the Terronians, should they still be active in Earth II.

RomeW

California (Channel Is)

There, I quit. I'm more of a fucking menace than anything else, and all I'm ever going to ammount to is some pile of shit. Anyways, atleast for a favor divide the lands like I have asked. The Empire of Japan is now defunct, Chinese forces to be assumed occupying the Colonies and an Official Document of Annexation of the Japanese Islands.

The Channel Islands Military Base and Research Complex has been ceded to the Roman Empire [RomeW].

Well, I'm going to confirm it, but Pyschotika, if you ever decide to come back (and I hope you do), I'll give it back to you, no questions asked. I think taking a leave is the best choice you can make though- you've got a lot of issues to work out, and I think EII for now is just too much of a distraction. Hope everything works out for you so you can come back and enjoy the game like you should.

Pushka is wanting me to stay, RomeW is the kind type to not want to see someone go, and Mari is wanting me to stay.

If I'm going to stay then I don't even want Layarteb or Cotland to ever say a thing towards me unless it's Official EII-Moderation *Obviously Lay only* or if it's ICly or light OOCly covering something that was confusing ICly.

I'll do the same as well.

Because all we ever apparently accomplish is prove that *For sake of arguments* I can't stand socialising with certain people.

As for Australia, I was going to give it to Azimeth regardless. I hope Terronian accepts it, and if you do Terronian you can keep Perth but I would like it >.>.

Besides, it's one less front to cover my ass on in this war anyways.

Mari told me in a TG he won't Confirm my land, and RomeW says he'll give me the islands back.

I was planning on sort of wanting to do one last story here, so why not...it can be about this war.

So that's the end of anything in this thread from me unless it's an "important" message.

PS - No I don't enjoy this kind of thing, no I don't purposely say or try to leave and come back for dramatic effect. I think for some odd reason some people may be thinking in that way.

Actually Pyschotika, given this latest spat of complete and utter nonsense I am forced to forcibly eject you from this RP. I'd rather you stay myself but this behavior is completely ludicrous. In no situation were you provoked or what not by anyone but you felt the need to come back here after a brief absence and do nothing short of flaming and trolling. Whatever problems you have with me do not belong here and I'm real sorry you feel the need to act beyond immature here but this behavior is nothing short of atrocious. Good luck with life and Judaism.

Can we get Mari's second opinion on this?

Can we get Mari's second opinion on this?

Certainly I've telegrammed him about this and it's currently 04:17 hrs in the U.K. so it'll be a while probably before he gets on to say anything.

I do plan on honoring the land giveaway that he posted earlier and I telegrammed Terronian that he has land for him if he so pleases.

Alright new look of my regular army soldier:

http://i.bigmir.net/img/prikol/images/large/0/8/29080.jpg

Holding AD-142NK "Bes" assault rifle. Write up soon to follow, Im inspired.

And helmet:

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/8740/helmet1lj3.png

http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/uploads/large/OCPA-2005-09-28-122149.jpg

I like this thing and have found good use for one. Im sure you all have heard about the Class I UAV, its good for ground infantry units in hostile urban evironments (And other ones as well, just I thought the urban would be more interesting).

Also I have full information on defense systems I will be posting in my factbook soon as well military spec.'s

I shall confirm the honoured land transfer.

Just so that it's clear, I don't like how all this has come about. However, Pys was given a final warning by Lay and myself back in January. Pys received a warning from Frisbeeteria about one of last night's posts; having a warning from an NS mod would definitely qualify for breach of the final warning.

http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/uploads/large/OCPA-2005-09-28-122149.jpg

I like this thing and have found good use for one. Im sure you all have heard about the Class I UAV, its good for ground infantry units in hostile urban evironments (And other ones as well, just I thought the urban would be more interesting).

Also I have full information on defense systems I will be posting in my factbook soon as well military spec.'s

Eh...what the hell is it? A hovercraft?

Eh...what the hell is it? A hovercraft?

I second this question

Yes it is a hovercraft, kinda like an RC helicopter but a bit bigger.

Oh and if you think the Khan missile is cool, just wait till you see some of the other ZMI Hardware im getting hold of ;)

Bah....need to finish DR-13 ASP then.

The M100 Outbreak...what's that?

:eek:

Alrighty then, here goes. Mari's giving up some land.

To Layarteb: Wake Island.

To Ottoman Khaif: Indonesia (all), Sabah and Sarawak (the part of Malaysia on Borneo), Brunei, for the agreed sum which shall remain private.

To Pushka: Kamchatka Oblast, the Kuriles and Sakhalin Oblast.

Due to several people asking for it and a wish not to play favourites, Khabarovsk Krai will be put up for auction. This auction will begin at 7pm GMT tomorrow (Monday 16th April) and will end at 7pm GMT on Tuesday 17th April.

As for India (Arunachal Pradesh, Bihar, Manipur, Nagaland, Uttaranchal) and Nepal, I would prefer that they either go to Saint Lazare or RomeW because they border the territories (granted, OK does as well, but he's had something already ;) ). Call me fussy, but I like seeing large chunks of colour as opposed to patchwork quilts. If there's any Indian territory left over, it will be reserved for new players.

That should now put me back under the land limit. Enjoy your stuff guys!

[QUOTE=Marimaia;12547738]

To Ottoman Khaif: Indonesia (all), Sabah and Sarawak (the part of Malaysia on Borneo), Brunei, for the agreed sum which shall remain private.

[QUOTE]

Woot I confirm this deal!

*Does a techo breakdance*

Mari, land transfer confirmed.

As for India (Arunachal Pradesh, Bihar, Manipur, Nagaland, Uttaranchal) and Nepal, I would prefer that they either go to Saint Lazare or RomeW because they border the territories (granted, OK does as well, but he's had something already ;) ). Call me fussy, but I like seeing large chunks of colour as opposed to patchwork quilts. If there's any Indian territory left over, it will be reserved for new players.

That should now put me back under the land limit. Enjoy your stuff guys!

I'll take it, or take what I can.

Alright weapons have been added, which means that all old files are converted over to the new standard.

And let the lightning continue...

Pushka how exactly are you closing Ocean access to Cottish Territory? Are you expanding your territorial waters, declaring a moritorium on all Cottish vessels through the waterway, etc? Please elaborate.

Thanks.


-Hawdawg

Here is the updated work in progress of my naval forces. I still have to add the Marines, Coast Guard, Reserves, and a few other things to it. It isn't complete but it lists the bulk of my forces. Minus some upgrades I have in the works.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12549019#post12549019 (Hawdawg Navy 2.0)

Wow Psych has been here for a long time and now he's leaving. I think i been on E2 since 2005 i believe. I'll probably leave if things get to wild in my life...im currently taking some IT training so i can hack into Islamic fascist websites...no J/k i wish though. But yeah went for a liberal arts degree change my mind (cause the job market isn't good for them) and going after the the sweet 90K a year IT jobs

The Region of Deep south, comprimising at this time of 13 nations, would like to stake a claim on Paraguay, Brazil (Distrito Federal), and Brazil (Bahia)

No claiming for the entire region here. Just individual nations.

Wow Psych has been here for a long time and now he's leaving. I think i been on E2 since 2005 i believe. I'll probably leave if things get to wild in my life...im currently taking some IT training so i can hack into Islamic fascist websites...no J/k i wish though. But yeah went for a liberal arts degree change my mind (cause the job market isn't good for them) and going after the the sweet 90K a year IT jobs

More or less, Pys went insane. Oh well, EII is over with soon anyways. With this GSO-TOA thing going on im leaving when its over cause im sure i'll be defeated. Still its been a good run here though I havn't done as much as I wish I could have done and I still wish I never left went I was on in 2004 or early 2005. Still without Pys we have only Pushka's navy now and also without him we have less of a force in the pacific. I kinda feel sorry for all those not getting involved in this conflict because when it breaks out theres going to be one hell of a price to pay for something they wernt even involved in (I.E. Pushka's nuclear threats)

AUCTION FOR KHABAROVSK KRAI!

There's no minimum starting bid, and no reserve. You have twenty four hours before the bidding ends; at this time tomorrow the auction will be closed and the highest bidder will own a lovely piece of real estate.

END ANNOUNCEMENT

BTW, Lay, you still need to confirm the transfer of Wake Island, even though you're the guy who'll be altering the maps.

I'll be starting a new thread shortly about the expansion of the UER and the changes it shall bring, so look out for it.

I'll start the bidding for that territory at £150 billion.

The Confederate States bids 180 billion dollars for the KHABAROVSK KRAI territory on offer


OOC: Thats the region of the russian far east right?

More or less, Pys went insane. Oh well, EII is over with soon anyways. With this GSO-TOA thing going on im leaving when its over cause im sure i'll be defeated. Still its been a good run here though I havn't done as much as I wish I could have done and I still wish I never left went I was on in 2004 or early 2005. Still without Pys we have only Pushka's navy now and also without him we have less of a force in the pacific. I kinda feel sorry for all those not getting involved in this conflict because when it breaks out theres going to be one hell of a price to pay for something they wernt even involved in (I.E. Pushka's nuclear threats)

Wow. Talk about a lack of confidence. Besides, there isn't an official war yet.

The Confederate States bids 180 billion dollars for the KHABAROVSK KRAI territory on offer


OOC: Thats the region of the russian far east right?

£200 billion.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524270

Red Star Over the East, the assimilation of the UER's new holdings and the resulting happy-fun-times.

£200 billion.
OOC: Is that meant to be dollars or pounds? Regardless, i bid five percent above that

IC:

The Confederate States bids £210bn/$210bn (see above) for the territory in question

Russian Federation would like to bid 300 billion rubles for the above territories.

When does this auction end? I'd like to know how long to stay up tonight (probably pulling an all nighter anyways with my calculus)

Hmm seems the end of my time on EII is near, good, last hooray and something to be remembered by after two years couldn't have asked for more. With Pys gone chances of defeating TOA are minimal, but that does not mean that I won't put up a hell of a fight and that does not mean that TOA troop casualties won't run in the millions. Alright TOA, this has been coming for a while, Im ready for you, we're all ready for you. And the world shall remember then few stood against many.

The Confederate States of Spizania will bid 10% above the highest bid currently tendered, ($330bn as far as i can figure, but what the heck, im winning!)

£1,000,000,000,000 (£1 trillion)

1 trillion 300 billion rubles (lets say they equal USD in this case)

Nope. £2 trillion.

OOC: Well they are actually more valuable then USD, but okay

3 trillion

Cot you're not getting that land in USD my budget is bigger then yours.

Operation: Last Chance for Freedom

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12551855#post12551855

Nero, I am awaiting your post.

Fancy a bet? (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=cotland&nation2=pushka&nation3=&nation4=&nation5=&nation6=)



£3.5 trillion (yes, that's GPB, which means that in USD my offer is currently ~7 trillion).

It should be noted for the record that I will pay from the $250+ trillion I have on book in the Bank of Saint Lazare.

Convert both those numbers to USD and you'll see the light, my budget is slightly bigger. I have several dozen trillion that came from the different weapons sales, I'll spend those first.

7 trillion 500 billion USD

Two hundred and 50 trillion USD in a bank? Wow, thats clear bullshit but hell whatever, leaving EII anyways just need that land to kick your ass in the upcoming war.

Cot, what the hell is GPB? On NS tracker the value of your money in relation to the USD is 1.4 to 1 aka its not 7 trillion, its around 5 trillion

Plus Cot you have to sleep eventually, its only about 10 pm down here.

Two hundred and 50 trillion USD in a bank? Wow, thats clear bullshit but hell whatever, leaving EII anyways just need that land to kick your ass in the upcoming war.

Cot, what the hell is GPB? On NS tracker the value of your money in relation to the USD is 1.4 to 1 aka its not 7 trillion, its around 5 trillion

Here is the link to the Bank Pushka.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490907

The numbers posted on the website aren't up to date, but the bank sends us updated account information on our accounts. I have a large amount in savings there myself. I use it to fund various things, including short term loans to allies for purchases of property.

I currently have this amount in my account with Saint Lazare:

a simple lay-out of your accounts:

Holy Empire of Hawdawg Savings 9 $2,319,152,148,343.06 HAW
Holy Empire of Hawdawg CD 3 $21,644,745,702,171.20 HAWCD


Total Accrued:

$23,963,897,850,514.30

-Hawdawg

Still, 250 trillion USD, banks pay you interest for using your money, dude if there was fucking 250 trillion USD on the market out there a USD would be worth less then one sheet of toilet paper, its called inflation. Your money doesn't just magically grow in a bank, your money has to be used by the bank for the amount of your money to increase.