NationStates Jolt Archive

Okay you win, but I still protest the 'e' lol.

Anyways...

I made that risk...

I guess everyone is like me, we don't use the 1 Stall in the school WITH a door on it unless it is an Emergency.

It was clean 0o...

I guess a Janitor got to it...yay...Janitors rule..

How long can Panth be on D13 until it becomes an 'ignoring an invasion' and he gets deleted?

And did everyone have a kick-ass Easter?

I would like to go D12 for a bit..

Lay I'll talk to you on AIM about it later..

I would like to go D12 for a bit..

Lay I'll talk to you on AIM about it later..

I assume you mean D13, as going D12 would probably leave you with nothing by the time you got back.

Yes...D13

LMAO, glad I'm not at school anymore. College ain't so bad.

Heh. In two weeks I'll be done my History Degree (with Honours). No more worries about bad toilets anymore. :D

Heh. In two weeks I'll be done my History Degree (with Honours). No more worries about bad toilets anymore. :D

Congradulations. I got Pol. Sci, you got History. Muahaha!

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Booya!

Congradulations. I got Pol. Sci, you got History. Muahaha!

Thank you, and same to you. Political Science and History...those go very well together.

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Booya!



Thank you, and same to you. Political Science and History...those go very well together.

The only drawback to history is history explains what happend to who and when. Political Science explains the why on a most fundamental way. Albeit Political Science uses historical events to prove its theories.

Q: What famous political scientist was the first to do this?

OT: I should rename myself in Insurmountable Empire of Layarteb.

The only drawback to history is history explains what happend to who and when. Political Science explains the why on a most fundamental way. Albeit Political Science uses historical events to prove its theories.

Q: What famous political scientist was the first to do this?

OT: I should rename myself in Insurmountable Empire of Layarteb.

A: I'm going to take a gander and say Karl Marx.

The goal of history is to understand *why* things happened the way they did in the past and how it eventually lead to the state we have today. It is through history where we know the roots of the Israel-Palestinian Conflict, why the Serbs so adamantly hold on to Kosovo and why the Columbus Blue Jackets won't win the Stanley Cup. Okay, I threw in that last one at random, but the other two are still valid.

A: I'm going to take a gander and say Karl Marx.

The goal of history is to understand *why* things happened the way they did in the past and how it eventually lead to the state we have today. It is through history where we know the roots of the Israel-Palestinian Conflict, why the Serbs so adamantly hold on to Kosovo and why the Columbus Blue Jackets won't win the Stanley Cup. Okay, I threw in that last one at random, but the other two are still valid.


Twas not Marx. Ah yes and the why will come from political philosophy and theory. MUAHAHAA!!!

Twas not Marx. Ah yes and the why will come from political philosophy and theory. MUAHAHAA!!!

Darn. Well, like I said, they're all connected- political science requires the past to mold its theories, and political science theories can be used to explain the past. They're almost the same studies really.

Darn. Well, like I said, they're all connected- political science requires the past to mold its theories, and political science theories can be used to explain the past. They're almost the same studies really.

Not quite.

Not quite.

Explain.

Explain.

They're definitely not the same studies. Political Science may use history to explain its theorhetorical points but that's about as far as it goes.

It was Machiavelli wasn't it?

Marx used the economy to explain his science. He tended to shy away from using overly historical references to back up his claims, so instead he used economic references, stuff like Feudal economies and systems like that, to explain what he meant, and to give creedence to the central theory of dialectical materialism, which takes Hegelian theory and turns it, literally, upside down.

(Wait, if not Machiavelli, then Hegel?)

You guys are nerds. Really cool people, but nerds. :D

NG still loves you.

They're definitely not the same studies. Political Science may use history to explain its theorhetorical points but that's about as far as it goes.

Perhaps I went too far. Regardless, both still seek to understand the present- political science pursues an understanding of the political apparatus and history pursues an understanding of the past to lead to now. Both do draw things from each other still, and one is no less important than the other.

It was Machiavelli wasn't it?

Marx used the economy to explain his science. He tended to shy away from using overly historical references to back up his claims, so instead he used economic references, stuff like Feudal economies and systems like that, to explain what he meant, and to give creedence to the central theory of dialectical materialism, which takes Hegelian theory and turns it, literally, upside down.

(Wait, if not Machiavelli, then Hegel?)

Correct sir.

I am now, offically, the Insurmountable Empire of Layarteb. I'll still go by the Empire though.

So... how long 'til Pantheaa's D13 move becoems an 'ignoring an invasion'? How long was it before Rip was deleted for not responding to USB's invasion?

So... how long 'til Pantheaa's D13 move becoems an 'ignoring an invasion'? How long was it before Rip was deleted for not responding to USB's invasion?

Rip was a different scenario. He never asked for D13. Pantheaa asked for D13 for a week and so he can have it.

That's fine, but I'm concerned about creating a definite timeline for when a nation ignores an attack finally gets the boot, for Rip it was like 2-3 weeks correct? Might be a good standard cuz I don't see any specifics in the charter. Making it 2 months would be pointless as that's already the D12 time length, an invasion has a sense of urgency that I think should be addressed in a timeline.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477844
Thread for discussion about the North American Int'l Auto Show.

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/The%20Outlaw/pictures.htm
Direct link to the pictures at the Javit's Center

That's fine, but I'm concerned about creating a definite timeline for when a nation ignores an attack finally gets the boot, for Rip it was like 2-3 weeks correct? Might be a good standard cuz I don't see any specifics in the charter. Making it 2 months would be pointless as that's already the D12 time length, an invasion has a sense of urgency that I think should be addressed in a timeline.

Does the charter need another rewording? I am going to put up a poll on the offsite forums.

Does the charter need another rewording? I am going to put up a poll on the offsite forums.

Aye, and I have posted my comments there.;)

-Hawdawg

Watching Dead Calm right now. Man do I love this movie.

Very cool.

Hi...

Yea I requested D13 status awhile ago, just havn't gotten a response.

( And I know it hasn't been looked at too long because I'm not rendered D13...unless Lay is waiting for the next update :-P ).

Anyways, I'm just having some school troubles. I won't get indepth here, NG sort of knows from our past talks and Lay will know soon.

So yea, thanks for your time. I'll try to come back by May 10th or so to do my little spiel.

Thanks, and I'll be checking this forum ever so often...possibly a few posts but I won't be here completely.

So yea...

Post back in a few days...or a few hours if I get the time...

Tri-African Treaty Organization

•Please note that this is not an offensive alliance of any sort and the signing of this document in no way obligates you to engage in an offensive war or a war provoked by the members herein.

TATO is designed to stimulate trade which in turn will stimulate the economy as well as the relationship between the nations involved. As you already know Africa is rich in resources mainly in the industry of mining and oil. If regulated correctly these industries could make the South African region even more successful than it is now, and further the development of the economy making Africa one of the richest continents in the world. Attached are the “guidelines” if you will for the Organization. If you could, take a moment of your time to read over them over and respond accordingly.

1)You are in no way obligated to provide aid to a nation who has engaged itself into war or has provoked a war upon themselves.
2)All ports within the nations involved are open to nations within the Organization for trade/and or military re-supply /maintenance.
3)A more advance free trade agreement is formed between nations within the Organization which would drop or lower tariffs against import/export.
4)All nations will strictly enforce freedom of seas within their African territorial waters allowing for vessels to travel freely and safely along the coast. Each nation is responsible for those vessels within its waters save sabotage, acts of nature, etc.
5)Any military vessels, either within the Organization or not, must be checked by each nation via a command set up within a nation in order to pass freely.
6)Nations in the Organization will allow their military to train with every nation within and create a multi-national peacekeeping force (small in stature) to provide relief or stability in the event a country needs the forces mentioned previously.
7)In the event that a nation within is attacked in which the nation in question has done nothing to neither invoke nor deserve such an attack the peacekeeping force will be immediately called upon for defense and given command of the nation attacked (while still using a mutli-command system). If the conflict escalates and/or threatens your own nation it would prove prudent to increase the size and capabilities of the peacekeeping force until the end of hostilities. This would allow each nation to help without being directly involved in the conflict.


Attached are two extensions of the treaty which clearly define both the Peacekeeping force and the programs created that deal with the economical aspect of the treaty. If you have any questions or comments please feel free to telegram any of the three members of which include United States of Brink, Hirgizstan, and Bjornoya. Also please note that if you would like to become an economic member of the treaty to once again apply by TG’ing any of the previously listed members.

TATO Trading Prices and Practices

TATO is composed of three Africa nations that produce millions ot ton's of valubale raw and fine materials, as well as millions of barrels of oil every day. It has come to TATO's attention that oil prices, especially from Africa, are ill-defined. African oil reserves are some of the biggest in the world and TATO intends to exploit them to give the world a fairer oil price and a much earned place in the world for African oil.

Due also to the vast amounts of raw material on the African continent, TATO will also aim to produce a fair trading deal on these materials, as Africa has the potential to be a world leader in this area if world trade is willing to acknowledge this.

Oil Pricing/Practices:

Crude Per Barrell: $45 (USD)

This $45 will be a sustained price for oil and TATO will try and keep this price no matter what happens elsewhere. However, if nations become hostile to a TATO member then it is possible that, for the nation (s) in question oil prices will rise, but will remain the same for the rest of the world. In this way, TATO hopes to eliminate the constant oil price fluctuations that occurr daily, sometimes to the detriment of the market itself.

Raw/Fine Materails Pricing/Practices:

Gold Per Ounce: $450 (USD)
Silver Per Ounce: $250 (USD)
Bronze Per Ounce: $150 (USD)
Platinum Per Ounce: $525 (USD)

Diamond Per Carats: 1 Carat- $48 Per Ounce
2 Carat- $70 Per Ounce
3 Carat- $110 Per Ounce
4 Carat- $250 Per Ounce
Ruby Per Ounce: $23 Per Ounce
Sapphire Per Ounce: $33 Per Ounce
Emerald Per Ounce: $35 Per Ounce

Coal Per Ton: $40 (USD)
Steel Per Ton: $500 (USD)
Copper Per Ton: $5,500 (USD)
Zinc Per Ounce: $1.25 (USD)

Natural Gas may also be avaliable at a later date. These prices will be kept as steady as possible but they are subject to change due to circumstances, but it is the mission of TATO to provide these prices to promote better African trade.
The same practices for selling Oil apply here (see above).

PeaceKeepers

Finally this last attachment deals with the peacekeeping force. The TATO Peacekeeping Force is a multi-national coalition consisting of Hirg, Bjorn, and USB soldiers and equipment. These soldiers represent the apex of humility, morality, and skill of their respected nations and the organization as a whole. They employ the latest in military innovation and technology. Along with being an elite military outfit they also are highly trained in Civil Affairs and humanitarian aid.

More Information will be released at a later date.

Five Decisive Events of Earth II History (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10795439#post10795439)


I just thought I'd do this. An OOC discussion thread, by the way.

Hi...

Yea I requested D13 status awhile ago, just havn't gotten a response.

( And I know it hasn't been looked at too long because I'm not rendered D13...unless Lay is waiting for the next update :-P ).

Anyways, I'm just having some school troubles. I won't get indepth here, NG sort of knows from our past talks and Lay will know soon.

So yea, thanks for your time. I'll try to come back by May 10th or so to do my little spiel.

Thanks, and I'll be checking this forum ever so often...possibly a few posts but I won't be here completely.

So yea...

Post back in a few days...or a few hours if I get the time...

Yep.

Legend

Red: General announcements (21-day, decree 12, etc.)
Blue: Response to your posts (claims, threads, etc.)
Green: Service announcements (to all, RPs, etc.)









Pantheaa [Post 12466]: No problem D13 added.
Hawdawg [Post 12472]: Thread closed, land added.
NG/OK [Post 12475]: Okay, land transferred.
Pys [Post 12503]: D13 added.






Post 12467 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10760388&postcount=12467): I need TLS & Yerffej to come to an agreement on this issue.
Post 12333 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10740878&postcount=12333): I still need Yerffej to confirm his land.




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Basic Turn of Events of Andrehervia Decree 12

Post 11155: Huahin announces his intention to claim all his Russian and Korean land as he is D12. Given I have not declared it yet this cannot be held valid.

Post 11158: Andrehervia announced as Decree 12

Post 11161: Pyschotika lays claim to Sakhalin Oblast ( THE ENTIRE ISLAND ) and the Kuril Island Chain as well as posts claim thread.

Post 11162: Cotland lays claim to Southern Egypt and posts claim thread.

Post 11164: Cotland lays claim to Primorsky Kray and posts claim thread.

Post 11169: Neuvo Rica lays claim to other Russian territories and Korea but does not post thread, announces it will be shortly. No thread posted as of yet.

Post 11204: Huahin says that he claimed tons of land already, which was in post 11155 but because it was before my announcing it as Decree 12 and it isn't very structured as a claim remark, moreover an intention, it cannot be held valid.

Post 11211: Sparta lays claim to Azerbaijan and Georgia but no thread posted yet.

Post 11244: Huahin posts claim and thread to Georgia & Azerbaijan.

Post 11246: Huahin posts claim and thread to Kurile Islands.

Post 11247: Neuvo Rica posts claim thread to Russian territories from 11169.

Post 11248: Sparta Dominion posts claim thread to Georgia & Azerbaijan from 11211.

Post 11266: Squornshelous claims the Sakha Republic and Khabarovsk Krai and posts thread.

Post 11287: Neuvo Rica gives up claims to Sakha Republic and Khabarovsk Krai.

Post 11293: Neuvo Rica gives up claims to North & South Korea to Marimaia.

Post 11295: Marimaia lays claim to North & South Korea, using the "Taking Back" thread from post 11161.

Post 11403: Cotland concludes claim threads on Egypt (south) and Primorsky Krai.

Post 11538: Huahin & Sparta Dominion conclude over Georgia & Azerbaijan.

Post 11546: Marimaia completes claim for North & South Korea.

Post 12237: Neuvo Rica announces his completion of Russian campaign.


Agin-Buryat Okrug Neuvo Rica completed claim
Amur Oblast Neuvo Rica completed claim
Azerbaijan Sparta Dominion Completed Claim
Buryat Republic Neuvo Rica completed claim
Chita Oblast Neuvo Rica completed claim
Egypt (south) Cotland Completed Claim
Georgia (part) Huahin Completed Claim
Khabarovsk Krai Squornshelous laid claim in 11266 and posted thread
North Korea Marimaia Completed Claim
Primorsky Krai Cotland Completed Claim
Sakha Republic Squornshelous laid claim in 11266 and posted thread
Sakhalin Oblast Disputed [see note #2]
South Korea Marimaia Completed Claim
Tuva Republic Neuvo Rica completed claim
Yevrey Oblast Neuvo Rica completed claim


Note 2: Kurile Islands were initially claimed by Pyschotika in 11161 and then also disputed with Huahin in 11246.

Basic Turn of Events of Liebermonk Decree 12

Post 11359: Liebermonk announced as Decree 12.

Post 11360: Dweladelfia Prime claims Easter Island and posts RP in 11361.

Post 11362: Dweladelfia Prime claims Nauru and posts RP in 11363.

Post 11364: Neuvo Rica claims Texas (Hidalgo County) but does not post RP inside of 24 hours. Claim invalidated @ 1151 (Sunday 3.19).

Post 11365: United States of Brink makes claim to Liechtenstein and posts thread.

Post 11371: Pantheaa makes claim to Liechtenstein and posts thread, disputing USB claim.

Post 11382: Hawdawg lays claim to Texas (Hidalgo) but does not post thread.

Post 11392: Thread posted by Hawdawg for 11382 claim.

Post 11436: Dweladelfia Prime concludes claim on Easter Island.

Post 11453: Dweladelfia Prime concludes claim on Nauru.

Post 11589: United States of Brink completes claim over Liechtenstein.

Post 12472: Hawdawg completed claim over Hidalgo County, Texas.


Easter Island Dweladelfia Prime Completed Claim
Liechtenstein United States of Brink Completed Claim
Nauru Dweladelfia Prime Completed Claim
Texas (Hidalgo) Hawdawg Completed Claim

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10796366&postcount=17

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10796375&postcount=18

First attempts at arms creations. If nothing else they are unique.

Opinions/criticisms appreciatted.

Mmm yeah nothing on TV :(

Mmm yeah nothing on TV :(

TV is for the weak minded.

Reviewing Visaran military supplies requires intellect!

TV is for the weak minded.

Reviewing Visaran military supplies requires intellect!

I would read but I'm like "eh not in the mood."

I would read but I'm like "eh not in the mood."

Hmph... fine

Bjorn I don't know how practical it is to have a flame gun on a path clearing APC. The meanest looking path clearing device I have seen actually uses flail chains mounted on a rotating drum on a large front end loader machine. They can clear small saplings and underbrush up to 3"-4" with this machine. The rotating saw blades would tend to dull and could potentially get "bound or pinched" in the trunk causing the machine to be basically be hung. If it was me I would ditch the flame thrower, add a flail chain device. Maybe mount a .50 and a grenade launcher in a flip up design for self defense.

My two cents.


-Hawdawg

Bjorn I don't know how practical it is to have a flame gun on a path clearing APC. The meanest looking path clearing device I have seen actually uses flail chains mounted on a rotating drum on a large front end loader machine. They can clear small saplings and underbrush up to 3"-4" with this machine. The rotating saw blades would tend to dull and could potentially get "bound or pinched" in the trunk causing the machine to be basically be hung. If it was me I would ditch the flame thrower, add a flail chain device. Maybe mount a .50 and a grenade launcher in a flip up design for self defense.

My two cents.


-Hawdawg

I have mild pyromaniac tendencies, the reason why I thought of them. If they were able to burn where the blade was going to cut it would make the tree more brittle and easier to clear was my thought, and less likely for tree guts to get caught if they were ashen. Plus flamethrowers are scary.

Was thinking of a grenade launcher, but in a thick jungle launching a greanade would be like a horrible game of pinball, but not sure. Why I opted for flamethrower, can't backfire.

Chain flail is a great idea, will add that momentarily. Seeing as I have no experience in clearing tropical jungles, this is obviously a learning experience.

Tri-African Treaty Organization

Message to: The Government of Teh Ninjas, The World

In light of recent events occurring in the lands formally held by Teh Ninjas, of which included a rise in terrorism and full-scale civil war, TATO has seen fit that in order to secure its borders and protect that sanctity of the region Peacekeepers will be moved into the region of Congo currently controlled by Teh Ninja rebels. Although we wish not to engage in combat against Teh Ninja loyalist we will if deemed a danger to the operation or to the region as a whole. As mentioned before this move’s purpose is not to incite war but rather to provide relief and security for all in the region. It is an unalienable right for one to live in peace without fear of oppression or the constant fear of death.

I use civilian vehicles to clear the jungles. They are sort of like mine clearing ploughs with heavy flails. I also use tree clearing vehicles to remove larger obstacles.

USB- should we add that statement to TN's civil war thread?

Yes.

My jungles are a problem too.

As negotiated here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472598), I now have control over the Russian Kurile Islands, and he has the Japanese ones.

To top that all off, I now am invading Quebec, albeit RTL is now set in the past (ya know).

As negotiated here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472598), I now have control over the Russian Kurile Islands, and he has the Japanese ones.

So Simushir is the boundary? Pys controls that island and everything north is under Huahin's control, including the Russian land, whatever oblast that is?

12,550. Nice even number.

Just the Russian Kuriles. I think the mainland might belong to Neuvo Rica...but I'll gladly take it if it isn't claimed at the moment...

Just the Russian Kuriles. I think the mainland might belong to Neuvo Rica...but I'll gladly take it if it isn't claimed at the moment...

Okay so when you said nothing of Simshuir that means that you don't own that island, that Pys does and everything south of it, including it, is his and north is yours. As far as the mainland, it was RP'd in Pys's org. thread.

The O.C. is on bitches! Is Ryan a father!??!?!?!

The O.C. is on bitches! Is Ryan a father!??!?!?!
WHAT...HOW CAN THAT BE...WAIT... I don't watch O.C....so I have no idea what your talking about...

WHAT...HOW CAN THAT BE...WAIT... I don't watch O.C....so I have no idea what your talking about...

You should. eh-hem Chino Hills.

You should. eh-hem Chino Hills.

One of these days..maybe..

One of these days..maybe..

Perhaps.

Omfg Anna Wtf Omfg !!!!!!!!111!!!eleventy-one!!1111!11!32

The O.C. is on bitches! Is Ryan a father!??!?!?!

Does it hurt?

Does it hurt?

You know I am not sure. I don't want to find out.

You know I am not sure. I don't want to find out.

I don't think we're talking about the same thing.

You're quite ambiguous Squorn.

I don't think we're talking about the same thing.

Or we could be.

I was referring to the loss of your brain cells from watching such tripe.

I was referring to the loss of your brain cells from watching such tripe.

Nope we weren't. But I like this show ;). You lose brain cells watching daytime TV and American Idol-type shows.

Nope we weren't. But I like this show ;). You lose brain cells watching daytime TV and American Idol-type shows.

That's why I don't watch TV until well after dark.

That's why I don't watch TV until well after dark.

When the watershed is down?

When the watershed is down?

When the good shows are on. ;)

When the good shows are on. ;)

They usually end with: "Well that was good."

They usually end with: "Well that was good."

Nah, they usually end with credits.

Nah, they usually end with credits.

With "actors" and "actresses" with one word names huh?

With "actors" and "actresses" with one word names huh?

Sure Lay, whatever you say.

Sure Lay, whatever you say.

Perhaps ;).

I admit I must bow to your superior knowledge in that area.

I admit I must bow to your superior knowledge in that area.
Aye, we should all bow to Lay knowledge in that area..

I admit I must bow to your superior knowledge in that area.

Der? What area?

!!!!!go Ryan Go!!!!!

Der? What area?

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

I'm slow I have a B.A.

That exchange had to be one of the most convulted ones I've seen. :eek:

That exchange had to be one of the most lopsided ones I've seen. :eek:

I think my tree pollen allergies have gotten the best of me.

That exchange had to be one of the most lopsided ones I've seen. :eek:
What?

That exchange had to be one of the most convulted ones I've seen. :eek:
^ Edited. :S

That exchange had to be one of the most convulted ones I've seen. :eek:

Mangos are freshest when the water turns clockwise.

I heard after three years he finally settled down and became a police officer.

I am not there, I'm over here.

Mangos are freshest when the water turns clockwise.

I heard after three years he finally settled down and became a police officer.

I am not there, I'm over here.
...Your not here in mind, but in body...you mean..

...Your not here in mind, but in body...you mean..

Don't know if he's here in body either. He likes messing with our heads.

Don't know if he's here in body either. He likes messing with our heads.
And it is 4/20...that could explain the weridness that's going on around here..

And it is 4/20...that could explain the weridness that's going on around here..

...and there!

*snatches marbles*

And it is 4/20...that could explain the weridness that's going on around here..

Birth of Hitler, birth of Muhammed, Columbine, or *gasp* Jews being granted freedom of religion in New Amsterdam?

That exchange had to be one of the most convulted ones I've seen. :eek:

Glad to entertain you.

Birth of Hitler, birth of Muhammed, Columbine, or *gasp* Jews being granted freedom of religion in New Amsterdam?
Umm...no I was talking about this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4/20

And I was thinking this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_20

420 4/20 is a weird number...

Wow, that's the first time I've visited this thread and it hasn't been halfway through a pissing match this year.

Just as a heads up, this weekend my activity may be limited, because this weekend marks the last two exams of my University career.

Nope we weren't. But I like this show ;). You lose brain cells watching daytime TV and American Idol-type shows.
Or by getting baptized as a russ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ), which I was yesterday/today/whenever the hell it was when they did it! Had to kiss a salmon before it was party-time! Now if you'll excuse me, I think I'll go to bed again. My head hurts and my clothes are drenched in beer....

Congrats to Cot & Rome then.

I got thoroughly wasted last nite. Tried to talk to OK over MSN, couldn't even type. I shouted at the keyboard and then starting raving about how badgers were evil and that my dog should watch out for them...
All in all was a successful nite!

Hello all, apologies for my absence. I'm afraid, though, that I will have to declare myself on holidays for the next little while. Life has simply conspired to blockade me from any measure of recreation for the foreseeable future. So I will see you all in a while.

In the meantime, I did find the time to read the novelization of V for Vendetta. Now I simply MUST watch the movie.

Anyway...Iechyd da!

http://www.shotgunrules.com/pocket_reference_guide.shtml

Hot huh?

Mighty strange.

Hu Ha my computer is fixed.


-Hawdawg

Some funny videos for a lazy Saturday:

This is two idiots dancing and foolin' around to the Mortal Kombat theme, funny as hell:

http://www.smosh.com/videos.php?id=mortalkombat

These are videos from military.com, you need to register before viewing them, it takes two seconds and is well worth it.

Here's what Pushka did in the Russkie Army:
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=73166

The USAF at their very best:
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=72498

Ze German (In)Efficiency:
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=88583

Castro Dislikes the USA because of...Beer?
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=75491

We all love the Ghostriders:
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=90797

Finally, a tribute to the brave men and women serving 'Over There':
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=91075

That post above there, is me, I signed in with the wrong nation. Semeridon is just a satellite from ages ago I was fiddling with, must have forgot to log out.

Thanks to everyone who was patent, as you can see im back. Might have to go D13 later next month, so i'll be rping a bit then gone for like a week or so

There's some stuff you need to reply to, was posted before you left I think.

I here by give the Island of Crete to Hirgizstan for reasons that will never be stated..in public..

I confirm this.

ANNOUNCEMENT:

I am willing to trade my land in Antarctica and Brunei for either land in Africa, Canada, Europe, the Pacific (i.e. Australia or NZ) or Russia. Please TG ME ONLY with offers.

ANNOUNCEMENT:

I am willing to trade my land in Antarctica and Brunei for either land in Africa, Canada, Europe, the Pacific (i.e. Australia or NZ) or Russia. Please TG ME ONLY with offers.
I'll take Brunei...me need more bases in the world..

Also my people changed their mind about being refugees in Japan. I want Refugees to go to Japan and fight along side the Japenese Army. It will be like a Panthean Refugee army that aids the Japs when every they invade another nation. I want to control the refugee army though and its them not the Jap govt that decides if they fight for Japan if Japan goes to war with someone. They will decide on a council vote...

But with a Panthean Refugee army united with the Imperial Japan empire...Japan would be unstopable.

If you ever read any Battletech novels its like the Wolf in Exile refugees and their allegence to the inner shpere.

Also my people changed their mind about being refugees in Japan. I want Refugees to go to Japan and fight along side the Japenese Army. It will be like a Panthean Refugee army that aids the Japs when every they invade another nation. I want to control the refugee army though and its them not the Jap govt that decides if they fight for Japan if Japan goes to war with someone. They will decide on a council vote...

But with a Panthean Refugee army united with the Imperial Japan empire...Japan would be unstopable.

If you ever read any Battletech novels its like the Wolf in Exile refugees and their allegence to the inner shpere.

I'm afraid that's not plausable for two reasons:

1) We're sending the sick/old/undesireables to Japan and Rome. Hardly be worthy of fighting.

2) I'm controlling who's being sent where (see above), with what, and why.

If Pyschotika wants to arm a whole bunch of old sick people from a nation who threatened to sabotage their refugee attempts to help him invade other countries he can be my guest.

Ok im clueless here. How can a person god mod and still be losing a war????????

Read the reasons I gave you.

YOU IGNORE OUR RP' and take no notice of ANYTHING we right, and as well as that you assume our soldiers are automatons or something...they do THINK FOR THEMSELVES AND FOLLOW SOP.

Read the reasons, don't act clueless, I told you many times how you're god-modding.

I'm afraid that's not plausable for two reasons:

1) We're sending the sick/old/undesireables to Japan and Rome. Hardly be worthy of fighting.

2) I'm controlling who's being sent where (see above), with what, and why.

If Pyschotika wants to arm a whole bunch of old sick people from a nation who threatened to sabotage their refugee attempts to help him invade other countries he can be my guest.

Really? Cause Japan only said that was willing to take refugees not only sick and tired refugees. If he uses the general refugee term then i assume that means anyone.

Read the reasons I gave you.

YOU IGNORE OUR RP' and take no notice of ANYTHING we right, and as well as that you assume our soldiers are automatons or something...they do THINK FOR THEMSELVES AND FOLLOW SOP.

Read the reasons, don't act clueless, I told you many times how you're god-modding.


Once again if i was god moding i would be winning. Im not ignoring your god mod post, but simply saying that "coh units are going to crack down on rebels" doesn't mean that im stopping the entire insurgecy. You think cracking down on rebels in one city (Tambov) is going to stop over 100,000 rebels from crossing the boarder and fighting. What about Vorozneh? Or Kursk?
It didn't call it the Sparticus movement for the hell of it

Every city you invade is going to have an insurgecy FOREVER so you better be prepare to continue this rp till chirstmas 09! Thats 17 cities you have to worry about and you haven't even captured them all yet...
Im sticking around regardless if you invade all of my territory..i'll play as an insurgecy and become the Palestine of E2

Because every paranoid comment about a TOA conspiracy as been proving correct! Every Panthean speech that the TOA is the great satan as be proven correct by this one action by TOA. You given the Panthean people more justifacation to fight and die then any other event of E2. And my people will never aid or defend any TOA nation regardless if they are involved in the war or not

TOA isn't invading you. Cotland, NG, myself and Spizania are, with Bjornoya's help.

Even if you force us to pull out, which I doubt because if you continue your madness I will kill every Pantheaan on the planet, and I am not joking there, I will do it. Should I pull out I will defoliate the entire country and then use Enhanced (Neutron) Radiation to kill every living thing. Then when the radiation is cleared, there will be no one left to fight.

Nobody messes with the COH, defeat is simply not in the vocabulary.

The thing about Palestine is, no Israeli has ever had the balls to do what is necessary. In this case, I do.

Really? Cause Japan only said that was willing to take refugees not only sick and tired refugees. If he uses the general refugee term then i assume that means anyone.

I'm controlling who's being sent where, with what, and why.

Pyschotika is not me

therefore Pyschotika has no say over what types of refugees he receives.

Whine, whine, bitch, bitch.
Who here is capable of actually RP'ing something without whining?

Go head launch your attack...i will launch my nuke at COH. Or any one of your allies. Then i will start pulling out the Biological weapons! You kill my civilains i'll kill yours!

I still have a navy out at sea!

:: is glad he forced an RP for this ::

I'm controlling who's being sent where, with what, and why.

Pyschotika is not me

therefore Pyschotika has no say over what types of refugees he receives.

Wrong

You can't control my people since i couldn't control your people in the BISE thread. Stop god moding, controlling things that doesn't belong to his god moding, you god moding, god moder

Its good to be back in E2 after one week rest BTW ;)

Because every paranoid comment about a TOA conspiracy as been proving correct! Every Panthean speech that the TOA is the great satan as be proven correct by this one action by TOA. You given the Panthean people more justifacation to fight and die then any other event of E2. And my people will never aid or defend any TOA nation regardless if they are involved in the war or not

It's not a TOA against you thing, if it were I'd be fighting too.

I don't care, you have done nothing but sit on your butt and let the war take place. When thier has been a mass killing of civilans and genocide. Genocide and use of WMD is what TOA is becoming all about in the operation Dummerung. Its the only alliance that feels they have the right to use such weapons, then tell other nations that aren't TOA not to use them? They boss Pushka about testing weapons on an iceberg but gass civilians. The TOA is the most hypocritical, tyranical, and corrupt alliance in all of E2

Launch your nuke, I'll shoot it down, simple as that.

As for Bio weapons, how will you deliver them if everyone is dead?

I just want to RP, but I want to RP a good RP, and at the moment I can't do that.

You can have your Pushka-esque opinions of the TOA all you want. But everyone else says...we're good for trade, good for diplomacy and guarantee world stability. You don't like that, tough, everyone else does.

Launch your nukes i'll shoot them down

I want to RP a good Rp but at the moment i can't do that cause someone has a heart attack after having like 14 out 3r535t345345 troops getting killed by rebels

Let me see, do you have a multi-billion dollar SDI programme? A Space Division? Airborne Lasers? How, pray tell, do you intend to shoot the nukes down? I have 217,000 of them, but I won't be using them on you. I said 'Enhanced Radiation', i.e. NEUTRON radiation. Its not delivered via ICBM.

Panth, Hirgy. Go to the OOC forums.

I did.

I did.

Good. Do not continue this bickering here.

I'm kinda pissed because my girlfriend and me just broke up, so Panth, Hirg, stfu and/or go to Lays forums before I have the rebels take over a few ICBM bases and start sending nukes against whatever is left of Pantheaa.

Edit: Moved to FoL Forums

I'm kinda pissed because my girlfriend and me just broke up

Sorry to hear that buddy. Look at the bright side- if you two get back together (which I hope), then it'll be great, but if you don't, you get the right to flirt with whomever you want without anyone having to worry. I say it's win-win :cool:.

I've been single for over six months now. It's fabulous. I see it as an opportunity, because my last relationship was, well, Hell. Don't worry, this'll work out- I promise.

Sorry to hear that buddy. Look at the bright side- if you two get back together (which I hope), then it'll be great, but if you don't, you get the right to flirt with whomever you want without anyone having to worry. I say it's win-win :cool:.

I've been single for over six months now. It's fabulous. I see it as an opportunity, because my last relationship was, well, Hell. Don't worry, this'll work out- I promise.

Hey Rome. If you want to play the Quebecois in RTL as I bomb them go ahead.

Hey Rome. If you want to play the Quebecois in RTL as I bomb them go ahead.
I will. Just probably not until Monday. I only have time to pop in.

I will. Just probably not until Monday. I only have time to pop in.

Sounds good to me.

I am selling Bulgaria, Greece (Central Macedonia East Macedonia and Thrace, North Aegean, South Aegean [part], West Macedonia) for Middle Eastern lands or Central Asia lands or for some land in Caucasus region.

Pay very close attention to the Empire...Something wicked this way comes...

Whine, whine, bitch, bitch.
Who here is capable of actually RP'ing something without whining?

I second that.

-Hawdawg

It's not a TOA against you thing, if it were I'd be fighting too.

And me also. As I clearly stated in the offsite forum.


-Hawdawg

I'm trying to sell Brunei and Antarctica.

This is the last day to trade me Brunei before other plans take shape. I will take anything really for either Brunei or Antarctica, TG ME WITH OFFERS!

I am selling Bulgaria, Greece (Central Macedonia East Macedonia and Thrace, North Aegean, South Aegean [part], West Macedonia) for Middle Eastern lands or Central Asia lands or for some land in Caucasus region.

It's a long shot, but I'm guessing most of my land in Russia land is too far away to be traded for Bulgaria.

It's a long shot, but I'm guessing most of my land in Russia land is too far away to be traded for Bulgaria.
If you trade me all your Russian lands, i shall give you Bulgaria.

Hirg has stated in the EOL forum that he is willing to pull out if i exchange my lands to someone else.

So without further ado, all claims that are under attack from Hirg (not Yemen or the Kursk eastern area) are open to small nations, new nations and whoever i deemed necessary. I will not accept land exchanges to any TOA members or those i think or assiocated with the TOA.

My lands will be given to whomever i like, so don't bitch about it if you don't get it

http://blitzrpg.proboards106.com/index.cgi - WW2 Nation RP

Launch your nuke, I'll shoot it down, simple as that.

As for Bio weapons, how will you deliver them if everyone is dead?

I just want to RP, but I want to RP a good RP, and at the moment I can't do that.

You can have your Pushka-esque opinions of the TOA all you want. But everyone else says...we're good for trade, good for diplomacy and guarantee world stability. You don't like that, tough, everyone else does.


A good RPer is man enough to take a defeat and not take it out on a bunch of civilians.


PS I really dislike TOA, mostly you and Cot.

Good RPers also won't beleive their entire civilian population not only supports them but will fight suicidally for them.

As I recall Hirgy has been treating Pantheaa's citizens decently, Panth was the one to use biological agents and then claim civilians in the area would be supplied gas-masks in a battle zone...

but enough, Lay's forums-> http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/

Me wants skirmishes in the Pacific.

Me wants skirmishes in the Pacific.

And I want a girlfriend, but we all can't get what we want, now can we?

Ok

NG- kills civilians on the street
Cotland- Carpet bombs civilians
Hirg- No free speech, no free press, torture, gasses civilians

Yeah your so full of shit Bjornoya, i never said that all of my civilians supportd me KALMYKIA ring a bell!! But compared to you im a freaking saint

Me wants skirmishes in the Pacific.

Just give me some time and I'll be pwning up the Pacific...

Also, I love this Creed...

This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of my enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.

Just give me some time and I'll be pwning up the Pacific...

You've been saying that since June.

Ok

NG- kills civilians on the street
Cotland- Carpet bombs civilians
Hirg- No free speech, no free press, torture, gasses civilians

Yeah your so full of shit Bjornoya, i never said that all of my civilians supportd me KALMYKIA ring a bell!! But compared to you im a freaking saint

And those 3 people aren't all of TOA. Haw, me, and SB are omitted from said list so yeah if 50% of TOA is doing something how is it all of TOA?

Panth, your citizens were living under a communist regime for ages, suddenly switched when your nation was threatened, and within say a year or 2 after the revolution they've suddenly all become supporters of democratic ideals? Thing's don't change that easily or quickly. In fact I wouldn't be suprised if some miniscule portion of your population supported some of the invaders.

I hope you can see the futility of the situation I was pointing out, your capitol is under attack and you use poison and expect the civilians in the region to be supplied with gas-masks while under NG's seige? You'll be killing your own people, you've already murdered hundreds of your own school-children. Your civilians will be looking for security that at the moment cannot be found in regions under attack by NG or Cot, but Hirgy is making an effort as is Visara.

Yeah your so full of shit Bjornoya, i never said that all of my civilians supportd me KALMYKIA ring a bell!! But compared to you im a freaking saint

This I am labeling as flamebait, any more and I'll report you myself. Remember the line between IC and OOC personas? Yeah...

My goodness we so full of hot air...that I belive 99.9% of our threats are hollow and worth to reply with action..and whenever we have 00.1% of action..well it turns out be a flame war and people just post random remark stating "I don't like TOA.." and do nothing afterwords...have some backbone for goodness stake and fight and don't bitch..

You've been saying that since June.

Correction - July

:-P

Because I've been waiting for Politics to be right and my population to grow.

And wel I am at that riping and soooo...

Yea...

Soon...

Once my personal life is caught up, I'll un-do my D13 Status and I'll be well...'Pwning up the Pacific.

Pyschotika: Check TGs.

Pantheaa: Would love to help you but without some backup I'm gonna get my ass pwned worse than yours

Layarteb: 3 evil nations, and three nations that abide them, supply them with weapons, and swarm anyone who actually attacks the others. Me also wants skirmishes in the Pacific.

Bjornoya: A people given freedom doesn't give it up easily. Panth just gave his citizens a great deal of freedom, but then Hirg and Co. came and messed it all up in a day. The Pantheaan people may not like their government, but they'll be even more pissed at the invaders and government and civilians alike will rally together as long as they have a common enemy. Considering how much you've both said, I'll report you if you report Panth, as you deserve it as much as him

Kreynoria']Layarteb: 3 evil nations, and three nations that abide them, supply them with weapons, and swarm anyone who actually attacks the others. Me also wants skirmishes in the Pacific.

Not quite. We don't do that all the time.

Not quite. We don't do that all the time.


Most of the time.

Kreynoria']Most of the time.

I'd say 50% of the time, if that, by some people.

I'd say 50% of the time, if that, by some people.


It would be pretty bad if the U.S. nuked 50% of the world. It would be pretty bad of 50% of the U.S. population was killed in a war. It would be pretty bad if the U.S. used nukes in 50% of their conflicts, etc.

Kreynoria']It would be pretty bad if the U.S. nuked 50% of the world. It would be pretty bad of 50% of the U.S. population was killed in a war. It would be pretty bad if the U.S. used nukes in 50% of their conflicts, etc.

Right...Yeah this is definitely one of the 50% of the times we don't help them out. In many other situations we haven't helped each other out either.

Right...Yeah this is definitely one of the 50% of the times we don't help them out. In many other situations we haven't helped each other out either.



This is redundant. The point has already been made that 50% of the time you actively help your allies in carrying out imperialism, genocide, etc. and the other half you give them free reign and do nothing to stop them.


You're like the crazy lady who keeps her pit bull off the leash and 50% of time wades in with a baseball bat to 'defend' the pit bull from some little child or dog.

Kreynoria']This is redundant. The point has already been made that 50% of the time you actively help your allies in carrying out imperialism, genocide, etc. and the other half you give them free reign and do nothing to stop them.


You're like the crazy lady who keeps her pit bull off the leash and 50% of time wades in with a baseball bat to 'defend' the pit bull from some little child or dog.

So let's see how this works: We help them we are just helping imperialism. We don't help them we silently condone it. We go against them we a betrayers.

I don't see any win in this situation, can we say Catch-22. Everyone whines and whines and whines about the TOA yet nobody does anything about it, they just whine and cry and bitch and moan. So I say, "Invade us" and put your money where your mouth is.

Kreynoria']This is redundant. The point has already been made that 50% of the time you actively help your allies in carrying out imperialism, genocide, etc. and the other half you give them free reign and do nothing to stop them.


You're like the crazy lady who keeps her pit bull off the leash and 50% of time wades in with a baseball bat to 'defend' the pit bull from some little child or dog.
...umm....wouldn't you stand up for your allies half of the time and other half of time just let be...I wouldn't support my allies 100 percent of the time...its mainly half or less depending on the events...

Kreynoria']Bjornoya: A people given freedom doesn't give it up easily. Panth just gave his citizens a great deal of freedom, but then Hirg and Co. came and messed it all up in a day. The Pantheaan people may not like their government, but they'll be even more pissed at the invaders and government and civilians alike will rally together as long as they have a common enemy. Considering how much you've both said, I'll report you if you report Panth, as you deserve it as much as him

Not as much, but maybe. Honestly caring less and less each day. In the time I spent in NS general none of the things I wrote would have been considered flaming by their standards.

Hirgy did not start this, NG did; NG and Co. Furthermore it was not messed up in a day, long chain of events led others including myself to get involved, mostly protests in the BISE thread which shouldn't have been in my bloody storefront in the first place.

For Panth. civilians I expect many to be pissed, those who are most fanatical about their freedom will fight and die, those who wish to live will seek refuge. Secondly, people willing give up freedom for the sake of economic prosperity, they do it all the time.

So let's see how this works: We help them we are just helping imperialism. We don't help them we silently condone it. We go against them we a betrayers.

I don't see any win in this situation, can we say Catch-22. Everyone whines and whines and whines about the TOA yet nobody does anything about it, they just whine and cry and bitch and moan. So I say, "Invade us" and put your money where your mouth is.

So under your logic, anything done by an October Alliance member is justified because it is carried out by TOA. You people bitch human rights when we carry out some petty massacre but 'silently condone' the mass genocide, torture, WMD usage, and atrocities of Operation Dammerung and numerous other military operations.

TOA keeps a check on everyone else in the world, but no one checks TOA. They do whatever the hell they please without any fear of repercussion.

You have no idea how much I want to go to war with Hirg or Cot or NG but any one of them would hand my ass to me on a platter well done with fries on the side, let alone when the rest step in to defend their ally.

This is why I put Poland and Caledonia and Ecquador on the list of influential events: everyone's afraid of you and feels safe only when their bitching, and considering what happened to Pantheaa, they might be too scared to do even that.

...umm....wouldn't you stand up for your allies half of the time and other half of time just let be...I wouldn't support my allies 100 percent of the time...its mainly half or less depending on the events...

Apparently my philosophy is different from yours. When my allies (Huahin mainly) go overboard, I don't hesitate to tell them to stop. I don't silently condone them; I make it known through a firm suggestion that I don't like what they are doing.

Kreynoria']TOA keeps a check on everyone else in the world, but no one checks TOA. They do whatever the hell they please without any fear of repercussion.

Not paying attention I DID!!

When Cot started carpet-bombing Visara said it wouldn't trade with his nation if he continued. When NG started killing civilians Visara took over the task of crowd control.

Even now, Lay is at a defacto state of war against Cot, viewing TOA as a coherent single-minded blob oversimplifies the situation, and assuming they can do whatever they want does not evaluate the entire scenario.

Kreynoria']Apparently my philosophy is different from yours. When my allies (Huahin mainly) go overboard, I don't hesitate to tell them to stop. I don't silently condone them; I make it known through a firm suggestion that I don't like what they are doing.
My philosophy is call Don't give a flying f**k about anyone. If my ally wants to glass himself, I say go ahead..because I don't give a f**k about how my allies run their nations...if it effects me...then I care...its really easy to understand.

Not as much, but maybe. Honestly caring less and less each day. In the time I spent in NS general none of the things I wrote would have been considered flaming by their standards.

Hirgy did not start this, NG did; NG and Co. Furthermore it was not messed up in a day, long chain of events led others including myself to get involved, mostly protests in the BISE thread which shouldn't have been in my bloody storefront in the first place.

For Panth. civilians I expect many to be pissed, those who are most fanatical about their freedom will fight and die, those who wish to live will seek refuge. Secondly, people willing give up freedom for the sake of economic prosperity, they do it all the time.

Flaming standards are very different from II to General. Fact is, you are both guilty, and it is all or nothing: both of you are in trouble or none are. I refer to them as 'Hirg & Co.' because of the sparcity of NGs posts and the fact that Hirg has done the most fighting.

The point is, virtually overnight the Pantheaans lost their stability, freedom, and security: they are going to lose their homeland, are going to be split up, and are going to face even more uncertain times in the future.

Kreynoria']So under your logic, anything done by an October Alliance member is justified because it is carried out by TOA. You people bitch human rights when we carry out some petty massacre but 'silently condone' the mass genocide, torture, WMD usage, and atrocities of Operation Dammerung and numerous other military operations.

TOA keeps a check on everyone else in the world, but no one checks TOA. They do whatever the hell they please without any fear of repercussion.

You have no idea how much I want to go to war with Hirg or Cot or NG but any one of them would hand my ass to me on a platter well done with fries on the side, let alone when the rest step in to defend their ally.

This is why I put Poland and Caledonia and Ecquador on the list of influential events: everyone's afraid of you and feels safe only when their bitching, and considering what happened to Pantheaa, they might be too scared to do even that.

We bitch about human rights? Cotland might because he's a democracy but NG and me we definitely don't care much about what other people do in with their human rights. Hirgy is 50/50, so is Hawdawg.

Now if you really want to go to war with them then do it and stop being a little baby about it. Oh wait, you're afraid of getting beaten. So right then and there all those bitches and moans and whines are pretty much weak because you won't even back them up and fight them.

If we all didn't go to help each other on this one and Australia was a massive cluster f*** then I guess you might have a chance of not being hit by everyone.

Not paying attention I DID!!

When Cot started carpet-bombing Visara said it wouldn't trade with his nation if he continued. When NG started killing civilians Visara took over the task of crowd control.

Even now, Lay is at a defacto state of war against Cot, viewing TOA as a coherent single-minded blob oversimplifies the situation, and assuming they can do whatever they want does not evaluate the entire scenario.

They'll think it's some sort of pro-TOA ploy to coax people into a soft sense of fake security. It's quite sad.

My philosophy is call Don't give a flying f**k about anyone. If my ally wants to glass himself, I say go ahead..because I don't give a f**k about how my allies run their nations...if it effects me...then I care...its really easy to understand.

Is that really an alliance? You are just stupid and apathetic and short-sighted (ICly), because in general when one's ally gets himself glassed you tend to be implicated somehow so that the attackers get even more.

We bitch about human rights? Cotland might because he's a democracy but NG and me we definitely don't care much about what other people do in with their human rights. Hirgy is 50/50, so is Hawdawg.

Now if you really want to go to war with them then do it and stop being a little baby about it. Oh wait, you're afraid of getting beaten. So right then and there all those bitches and moans and whines are pretty much weak because you won't even back them up and fight them.

If we all didn't go to help each other on this one and Australia was a massive cluster f*** then I guess you might have a chance of not being hit by everyone.


Well if I glass myself fighting TOA alone than what? Nothing is accomplished. TOA stays on top of the world, and I simply become another example for TOA to keep the rest of the world in line. Becoming a martyr to back up OOC bitching doesn't change anything, so that is why I am not fighting you.

Pay very close attention to the Empire...Something wicked this way comes...

I draw this up: again.

They'll think it's some sort of pro-TOA ploy to coax people into a soft sense of fake security. It's quite sad.


Damn. This guy reads minds:p

Kreynoria']Well if I glass myself fighting TOA alone than what? Nothing is accomplished. TOA stays on top of the world, and I simply become another example for TOA to keep the rest of the world in line. Becoming a martyr to back up OOC bitching doesn't change anything, so that is why I am not fighting you.

That's as bad as complaining about the government and saying, "Nope I don't vote, why should I?"

That's as bad as complaining about the government and saying, "Nope I don't vote, why should I?"


No, there is a difference. You will always only have one vote, which will never make a difference. On the other hand, I grow in power over time; I gain allies. By attacking now I lose everything I've built up with nothing to show for it. Everything I have built was carelessly sacrificed in vain. By biding my time until I am strong enough to fight toe-to-toe against TOA, I have a chance to win and make a difference.

Kreynoria']Is that really an alliance? You are just stupid and apathetic and short-sighted (ICly), because in general when one's ally gets himself glassed you tend to be implicated somehow so that the attackers get even more.
allaince have many means, and self interest can be alway a factor my friend...self Preservation is what I do...for what if stake, lets say one of my allies decide to be genius and nuke someone over a Islands..and he is getting rape for doing by 10 nations...and he is facing it alone...my logic is the following

A) Help my ally no matter what and helping blinding or
B) See that situation is hopeless, so therefore stay out of it.

See, allainces in my veiw is to futher one means of getting to a objective..they are not mend to last long term, they only short term..Realism 101. Secondly you have no idea what I am can IC, or what are my plans..therefore don't judge a book by its cover.

Kreynoria']No, there is a difference. You will always only have one vote, which will never make a difference. On the other hand, I grow in power over time; I gain allies. By attacking now I lose everything I've built up with nothing to show for it. Everything I have built was carelessly sacrificed in vain. By biding my time until I am strong enough to fight toe-to-toe against TOA, I have a chance to win and make a difference.

I always say, those who refuse to take action and refuse to vote lose their credibility to complain. You sir are a prime example.

Kreynoria']No, there is a difference. You will always only have one vote, which will never make a difference. On the other hand, I grow in power over time; I gain allies. By attacking now I lose everything I've built up with nothing to show for it. Everything I have built was carelessly sacrificed in vain. By biding my time until I am strong enough to fight toe-to-toe against TOA, I have a chance to win and make a difference.

Wow in that case we hit you now and you aren't equal. Why isn't that a tactical error of you to admit or is it?

Can we go at least a page or two without the TOA bash-fest?

Can't we all get along? Fund a pilathropic project people, plant some trees somewhere or call a press conference to announce secretaries week or something. Please get off the "kick the TOA horse" wagon its getting old.

On a side note:

I voted and I am damn proud of it!

**Gives the finger to the govenor**

Can we go at least a page or two without the TOA bash-fest?

Oh, but trying that would be another evil ploy by TOA to take over E2!

As long as the TOA is the dominant force in Earth II, which is a trend that doesn't look like it will change any time soon, there will be people who see them as a sort of "evil empire". There will always be conflicts of opinion, and when one opinion is backed by the kind of force the TOA can bring to bear, there this opinion will persist. Whenever the TOA makes a move to put pressure on another country, it will appear to some to be a bunch of already large and powerful nations banding together to impose their will on the world. That's just the way people see it when the most powerful alliance on E II does something.

I am now finished University. Boo ya! 20 years of school finally OVER! I'm the happiest person in the world right now.

Wow in that case we hit you now and you aren't equal. Why isn't that a tactical error of you to admit or is it?
It would be if it wasn't OOC.

Personally, there's only one way I see The October Alliance falling- if three or more of the members pull out of Earth II. The nations within TOA are committed and stable, so the alliance has the potential to be stable for a while. Furthermore, I don't see TOA as imperialistic. Only half of TOA is involved in Pantheaa, and TOA don't go out of their way to pick fights with everyone. Get along well with them (as I have) and they get along well with you. Tick 'em off, and they'll fight back. Nothing radical there.

*On a seperate front- to everyone in North America: I've had the idea kicking around for a while, but until the Caledonia Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caledonia_occupation), I've kept it in the backburner. Anyway, I want to know if anyone's interested in a massive RP involving a continent-wide First Nations (i.e. "Indian") Revolt. Let's not forget that the Natives in both Canada and the US were effectively jobbed out of their lands and would be itching to get it back- they just need a spark. I will also posit that I think a continent-wide revolt may be in the offing in RL, especially if the situation in Caledonia (which is about 57 miles (92 km) from Toronto, my neck of the woods) escalates. TG me or post here if interested. This probably won't get started until May at the earliest (when I'll have more time to post, plus this'll need setup).

A) Help my ally no matter what and helping blinding or
B) See that situation is hopeless, so therefore stay out of it.

But usually, its more complicated. The invaders, out of greed, will somehow find a way to implicate you in the attack and thus bring the war to you as well.

Wow in that case we hit you now and you aren't equal. Why isn't that a tactical error of you to admit or is it?


It really isn't, all you have to do is compare population and defense budget to any member of TOA (though my budgets bigger than yours because of my much higher tax rate) and I will be clearly weaker.

Wow in that case we hit you now and you aren't equal. Why isn't that a tactical error of you to admit or is it?


That aside, I am virtually impossible to conquer: you will have to hop one meticulously fortified island to another. I have literally tens of thousands of islands, and you will have to invade each and every one.

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The fact that TOA is such an exclusive club, the fact that they choose only nations who are willing to abandon their sovereignty seem to suggest that they are NWO with a plan of world domination. If it was just your normal alliance they would let anyone in, but that’s a no go for TOA. Instead they want to have a strangle hold on business, military and land. Where only a few nations prosper over everyone else, they are plotting to take control of almost all of the oil fields and in a few years will control 80% of E2's oil. When an alliance wields that much power over a small area of the world, then yes people should be cautious. The fact that my nation is being targeted for simply speaking out against TOA seems to suggest their imperial "shoot first" ask questions later mentality. A true peaceful alliance would of started peace talks before the invasion...TOA skipped right over that and started a war. TOA did nothing to avoid war, they merely view their soldiers as pawns in a greater scheme. I on the other hand few my soldiers as fighting for the homeland, that’s why I only went after lands in Russia and Europe, cause they are my home not Africa which I could of tried to conquer. A TOA soldier on the other hand is a tool used to what Hawdawg calls “doing business” and making the rich man richer. Of course the shallow people of Bjornoya and Hirg like fighting for wealthy corporations. Make no mistake, I am the one nation that want's peace in this conflict, TOA wants war, murder, destruction, rape, pillage, and mayhem. But as long as the cash flows every thing will be all right. My government’s repeated apologize for the BISE incident and the war in Liechtenstein have fallen on deaf ears, even when it was the Bouvet incident that forced a regime change in Pantheaa, the TOA still eyed my nation with a burning hatred. The TOA first comes to their victims with a smile as when Cotland politely ask me if I would trade anything for bouvet island, or when NG send me a TG asking for a trade for Slovakia. Refuse that friendly trade and you now have war on the front door of that very same territory. This kind of dominos effect will take place everywhere, and soon it will engulf the other nations of E2. With the growing surveillance and ability to deploy anywhere in the world at anytime. TOA’s enemies will have no place to hide, but then again theirs a chance that neither will we.


I should write an entire book on TOA

TOA is the Opus Dei of E2

TOA does not control 80% of the world's oil, as I recall I own a shitload in Africa and OK owns tons in Iraq now, the biggest field's TOA has are central Asia and Venezuela.

Mocking NG, not TOA was half the reason you got into this mess. The other half was ruining my storefront. As for the apology, you've tried the same stunt before with the government change, and look what happened.

Shallow? Business, my friend, is as deep as it's gonna get. Simply more honest is all. Besides, I would hardly trust a college student with understanding the benefits of corporations. Jesus, just cuz it's big an scary doesn't make it the devil. I'm sick of the prejudices of the weak. Making the rich man richer, you mean making the powerful more powerful? What is wrong with that? It is entirely natural, denying an organism greed is denying a neccessary biological function, it denies life; one must acquire more in order to become more.

Remember how you were the one wanting variety? Ever occur that a group like TOA, and individuals within TOA offer that variety? Not only that, they offer a challenge. What fun would it be if TOA RPed a whole bunch of hippy nations? Rogue nations like yours would take advantage of the situation and take their place.

Tell me in what way does the TOA offer variety? Seems more like a homogenuis entity that is forcing its will on the rest of the world. They offer a challege? In what why? In the why that the TOA has a advantage and a strangle hold on the rest of the world and that going up against them is mere impossiable.

And why do we exactly need the TOA? NATO was started to defend Europe from the Soviet Union...yet their is no alliance to combat TOA. TOA thus serves no purpose other then to enforce their will on the people

The benefits of a corporation? I never said and never wrote that business was the devil. Once again Bjornoya is trying to infuse the real world with the fiction world. But looking at E2 their is no international laws on business, their is no laws governing what they can profit on and their is no slavery laws. If you want to work for a business that pays 1 dollar an hour and has no health benefits then be my fucking guest. I would rather fight the system then suck its dick. That is what democracy is, a government run by the people (not a few rich people)....you on the other hand believe in a Thomas Hobbes world where the people obey out of fear of their safety from a strong centralized government. While im more into the nationalist Rousseau line of thinking. When as we see in history it was the Rousseau theories that proved the more vital for democracy.

Pacifinesia, you all do realize that Layarteb was on your side. But you guys were not his allies and arn't to this day. He was ready to help defend one of your smallest, Azimeth. But yet he is a jackass because all he does is get involved in Conflicts and Nuke people?

I've been here longer than some of you who are bitching at Lay, and I'll tell you what I generally see when it revolves around TOA.

TOA goes to war, Layarteb just goes 'Okay'. He remains neutral for the most part, doing his own thing ( Mostly the take over of Latin and South America ). When the shit storm in Europe got bad ( I was Finland at this time. North Germania was not the Empire he was and he was at war with Aequatio trying to take Poland and Germany and fending off a Russian invasion inf Belarus as he was some what taking over Belarus ), namely when the Russians brought out their Nukes, Layarteb went 'Okay I'll get involved.' But it wasn't an all out invasion, it was a small task force. And to let you know, a LOT of TOA ignored NG's little plight.

They were off imperialising their parts of the World, and really didn't give a shit. The only other two people to really show their affection was Cotland ( a friend of NG to begin with ) and Hawdawg ( a friend of Layarteb ).

This was no Gang Bang at all. Infact it was a very hard war for them to fight and ofcourse I had another 'blackout' ( what I call my inactivities due to real life ).

And down the road it hasn't been nearly as bad as it is said to have been. Infact, the Roman Confederacy was WORST and so was NATO ( the EII version lead by Teh Ninjas and Tyrandis ). Just about everyone else would get together and gang bang a random nation for their land, and if TOA got involved it was ONLY to help that said nation unless that said nation was in Pantheaa's seat ( had to have done something to anger the TOA both ICly and OOCly ).

Now, when Layarteb says '50%' of the time, he means when it is sought to be right and not 'Hey guys lets go and rape this new nation because we are worried he will bring power and stabalitiy in the region he is settled in.'

Infact, I can't recall when all of the TOA helped with Imperialisation.

Infact, after Aequatio went D12 and was whiped from the map the rest of the conquest was pretty much done solely by NG and no one else. Perhaps Hawdawg helped here and there and did some tune ups in ( namely ) the United Kingdom. But nothing else.

And if the TOA were always jumping on people in one large group and were all focusing on one area, the Pacific would be a part of the TOA a LONG TIME AGO. They would have invaded me a LONG TIME AGO. And if they had done that, they would have ultimate control over what happens in East Asia and in the Pacific.

So would you all stop whining and bitching about the fact that the TOA is large and yes very revelant to EII. Because you may as well be bitching at the USA and UK for being too large to be in an alliance where they can help each other to the extremes as to where whoever they go to war with pretty much falls in a few months. ( Of course, we suck with insurgencies :-P ).

So please, instead of arguing, go and RP. And if you think Layarteb and the rest are SOOOOO bad then go start an Anti-TOA Alliance. Hell, I know they won't stop you at starting one up. They'll just leave you invited to invade them whenever. So shut the fuck up, and have a nice day.

Indeed, just as Psychotika says.

As an Alliance the TOA has never been to war, not fully anyway. Thus you can't even begin to refer to the alliance in such a manner. We do control oil, but who would the world rather have controlling it? You Pantheaa? With your crazy ass Government?

As for Kreynoria, you talk tough, but you don't act tough. I dislike you intensely as well, your a bitchy, whiney pain in the ass. You have no influence and your crying about it. TOUGH. You want to do something about the TOA, go ahead, we'll have you licked quicker than a frog gets a fly.



(Pantheaa:A further stipulation for me withdrawing from your land- you hand it over now to someone, you do not wait. Otherwise, no deal.)

Tell me in what way does the TOA offer variety? Seems more like a homogenuis entity that is forcing its will on the rest of the world. They offer a challege? In what why? In the why that the TOA has a advantage and a strangle hold on the rest of the world and that going up against them is mere impossiable.

Don't blame me for your failure to analyze.

And why do we exactly need the TOA? NATO was started to defend Europe from the Soviet Union...yet their is no alliance to combat TOA. TOA thus serves no purpose other then to enforce their will on the people

We don't, they do, you gonna make a rule banning alliances because you're too unpopular to get into/become one? Mark my words its not your IC ideology that makes other nations want to co-operate, its the OOC intelligence, attitude and respect.

The benefits of a corporation? I never said and never wrote that business was the devil. Once again Bjornoya is trying to infuse the real world with the fiction world. But looking at E2 their is no international laws on business, their is no laws governing what they can profit on and their is no slavery laws. If you want to work for a business that pays 1 dollar an hour and has no health benefits then be my fucking guest. I would rather fight the system then suck its dick. That is what democracy is, a government run by the people (not a few rich people)....you on the other hand believe in a Thomas Hobbes world where the people obey out of fear of their safety from a strong centralized government. While im more into the nationalist Rousseau line of thinking. When as we see in history it was the Rousseau theories that proved the more vital for democracy.

Real world? Fiction world? Uhhh... E2?

Actually, you have no idea what I believe, prior to my enterance to E2 I was quite apathetic to the plight of businesses. It was only because I decided to RP from a corporate perspective that people equated Bjornoya with big business.

Who said anything about democracy? I already stated I believe the masses are idiots and are entirely incapable of governing themselves, not because big businesses or governments are brainwashing them whatever ideals, but because they will inevitably create ideals to opiate themselves. They will always choose the drug, they will always crawl to the safety of the cave.

And I never said there was anything inherently bad about that either. Leaders like Frederek the Great were far more 'humane' than the masses of today.

If you think I'm a Hobbesian(sp?) I rest in knowing you've paid no attention to what I've been saying all along, and the constructs you have about me are merely dellusions of a paranoid mind, or perhaps just one which wishes to oversimplify the matter. I've specifically mentioned 2 phiolosophers I agree with; Aristotle and Nietzsche. I hate English philosophers, English is not a language of philosophy, and Descarte and Rousseau were superficial.

Pantheaa:A further stipulation for me withdrawing from your land- you hand it over now to someone, you do not wait. Otherwise, no deal.)

Im still waiting for request for my land transfer. No one has said that they want it yet. I can only hand over the land that is being invaded by you btw, unless Spiz and NG make similiar agreements

As an Alliance the TOA has never been to war, not fully anyway. Thus you can't even begin to refer to the alliance in such a manner. We do control oil, but who would the world rather have controlling it? You Pantheaa? With your crazy ass Government?

I control a small share of the worlds oil compared to TOA and my prices are cheaper.

As for Kreynoria, you talk tough, but you don't act tough. I dislike you intensely as well, your a bitchy, whiney pain in the ass. You have no influence and your crying about it. TOUGH. You want to do something about the TOA, go ahead, we'll have you licked quicker than a frog gets a fly.

Kreynoria has done nothing wrong yet you threaten him, you flash the TOA like a badge, and because your TOA you don't have to worry about those nations jumping on you. Well TOA question your motives to going to war with say Krey...nope

what Pschy refused to mention is the fact that being apart of the alliance still elimates those nations from going against you for a land claim. You have the communcation that no other nation gets to plan and organize and when it comes down to it. You leave other nations out in the dark, being if i wanted LICHENTSTEIN I HAVE NO IDEA IF GOING THERE WOULD PROVOKE A WAR OR NOT. The same is true with Israel. NG goes to war Layer or Hirg isn't going to question or complete against him. Like i said in ages past its John Nash Equilibrum theory in practice.

Don't blame me for your failure to analyze.



We don't, they do, you gonna make a rule banning alliances because you're too unpopular to get into/become one? Mark my words its not your IC ideology that makes other nations want to co-operate, its the OOC intelligence, attitude and respect.



Real world? Fiction world? Uhhh... E2?

Actually, you have no idea what I believe, prior to my enterance to E2 I was quite apathetic to the plight of businesses. It was only because I decided to RP from a corporate perspective that people equated Bjornoya with big business.

Who said anything about democracy? I already stated I believe the masses are idiots and are entirely incapable of governing themselves, not because big businesses or governments are brainwashing them whatever ideals, but because they will inevitably create ideals to opiate themselves. They will always choose the drug, they will always crawl to the safety of the cave.

And I never said there was anything inherently bad about that either. Leaders like Fredrick the Great were far more 'humane' than the masses of today.

If you think I'm a Hobbesian(sp?) I rest in knowing you've paid no attention to what I've been saying all along, and the constructs you have about me are merely dellusions of a paranoid mind, or perhaps just one which wishes to oversimplify the matter. I've specifically mentioned 2 phiolosophers I agree with; Aristotle and Nietzsche. I hate English philosophers, English is not a language of philosophy, and Descarte and Rousseau were superficial.

I never said i wanted to ban alliances you idiot. I don't trust them if thats what your trying to get at. Im a respectable man in RL but i play a paranoid nation. Once again Bjornoya as failed to pick reality from fiction, IC from OCC

Your playing from a corporate prespective? IM PLAYING A PARANOID PRESPECTIVE!! You just fucked up your entire argument with that one sentence

How is a question a statement?

And this is OCC talking, not IC... right? Are you really this horrible with social skills?

And again you failed to see my point

reality
fiction
E2...

I thought you were giving your land to Spizania anyway?

I am talking to NG about the claims.

Per Barrel, how much was your oil? How man barrels did you produce a day? And what sort of crude was it? Did it take ages to be refined or was it already quite good quality? How far was it from a port and did you have good logistics if a port was unavaliable? How were your labour and production costs?

I am hereby swapping Brunei for Sierra Leone.

I just need Neuvo Rica to confirm.

I am giving my land to Spizania but we have a good rp with no OOC bitching going on. So its going to go on for awhile

yes this is OOC talk...your point is?

Anyways these are the lands that are up for claiming

Kalmkyia oblast
Orenberg oblast
Samara oblast
Tambov oblast
Vorozneh oblast

In return for the shares, yeah? That land sounds good.

I am hereby swapping Brunei for Sierra Leone.

I just need Neuvo Rica to confirm.

Confirmed

In return for the shares, yeah? That land sounds good.

I transfer the territories of kalmkyia. Orenberg, Samara. Tambov and Vorozneh oblast to Huahin in exchange for the Hirgizstan defense company shares

You realize that 3/4 of the people in NS use the word 'We' with the add on from time to time 'will' when they generally are talking about their billions of civilians ( or millions ), and not an organization of nations.

You realize those shares are meaningless to you? For money they are good, but my business' are protected from outside interference.

Once Huahin confirms the land claims and they are on the map and claims list I can RP some sort of a withdrawal. Until then I suggest we continue the RP, possibly winding down the insurgency or something for it to seem realistic.

However, I will not be satisfied until Pantheaa is no more, and if that means sending the current forces into the regions NG currently occupies then so be it.

Also, Kalmkyia is under Cotland's control and was not claimed by me.
I claimed the following: Orenberg, Samera, Tambov, Voronezh, Penza, Ulyanovsk and Samera. They are all currently occupied. (Although only the western part of Orenburg is fully occupied). I also claimed the Bashkort Republic (which I have not invaded, but have attacked with Cruise Missiles and EMP's) and the Tartar Republic (which I also attacked with EMP's and Cruise Missiles). So I need to see all those places given away before I even think about withdrawing.

Infact, the Roman Confederacy was WORST

We've never invaded anyone. Those were only defensive manouvers.

... Hey panth maybe we could work out some sort of deal for on your claims? I too have stock you could invest in.

Huahin aims to bring peace and prosperity to the former Pantheaan lands.

To diverge from the flamefest...this got missed:

*On a seperate front- to everyone in North America: I've had the idea kicking around for a while, but until the Caledonia Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caledonia_occupation), I've kept it in the backburner. Anyway, I want to know if anyone's interested in a massive RP involving a continent-wide First Nations (i.e. "Indian") Revolt. Let's not forget that the Natives in both Canada and the US were effectively jobbed out of their lands and would be itching to get it back- they just need a spark. I will also posit that I think a continent-wide revolt may be in the offing in RL, especially if the situation in Caledonia (which is about 57 miles (92 km) from Toronto, my neck of the woods) escalates. TG me or post here if interested. This probably won't get started until May at the earliest (when I'll have more time to post, plus this'll need setup).

What was the number of the post that conquered Penza and Ulyanovsk also their is only one Samera

Then Bashkort Republic isn't going to get exchanged then if you haven't conquered it

The war with NG is going to go on forever he has no ORBATS remember which means neither do i

However, I will not be satisfied until Pantheaa is no more, and if that means sending the current forces into the regions NG currently occupies then so be it.


Of course you want to see the end of the Panthean state, because your war was never about bringing peace to Russia, it was about killing and eradicated a large group of undesirables. The Panthean government is falling what more do you want

Im accepting all claims for stocks and land in exchange for Panthean land just TG me with offers

We've never invaded anyone. Those were only defensive manouvers.

Yes, and the invasion of Mac was a 'defensive' manouver as well. Never the less, the Confederacy in a large chunk was involved in most of these 'manouvers' much the same as the TOA yet on a larger and far worst scale that results in the size of many members today.

Yes, and the invasion of Mac was a 'defensive' manouver as well. Never the less, the Confederacy in a large chunk was involved in most of these 'manouvers' much the same as the TOA yet on a larger and far worst scale that results in the size of many members today.
Mac? That wasn't a Confederacy thing. I believe I got involved on my own accord, because I had lands in the Pacific I wanted protected. I should also mention that when NG- who was once in the Confederacy- was expansionist, the Confederacy didn't- as a whole- help him out. Anyone who did did so under their own accord. The official Confederacy actions have only been defensive.

I transfer the territories of kalmkyia. Orenberg, Samara. Tambov and Vorozneh oblast to Huahin in exchange for the Hirgizstan defense company shares
Let it be known that Kalmykia is considered a part of the Realm, occupied by loyal forces of the Royal Cottish Military (with all Panthean civilians already safely deported to Visara camps), that Kalmykia is filled with military hardware and continuing to be supplied from Chechnya via Spartan roads (I have permission to do so) and that any attempt of taking Kalmykia will be considered an invasion of the sovereign territory of the Realm and thus an act of war against the Realm.

(on a different note, the combat actions in the Cottish civil war is about to end and to be followed by terrorism...)

I am now finished University. Boo ya! 20 years of school finally OVER! I'm the happiest person in the world right now.


It would be if it wasn't OOC.

Personally, there's only one way I see The October Alliance falling- if three or more of the members pull out of Earth II. The nations within TOA are committed and stable, so the alliance has the potential to be stable for a while. Furthermore, I don't see TOA as imperialistic. Only half of TOA is involved in Pantheaa, and TOA don't go out of their way to pick fights with everyone. Get along well with them (as I have) and they get along well with you. Tick 'em off, and they'll fight back. Nothing radical there.

RomeW that summary pretty much is all that there is to TOA but it's like preaching to the choir.

*On a seperate front- to everyone in North America: I've had the idea kicking around for a while, but until the Caledonia Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caledonia_occupation), I've kept it in the backburner. Anyway, I want to know if anyone's interested in a massive RP involving a continent-wide First Nations (i.e. "Indian") Revolt. Let's not forget that the Natives in both Canada and the US were effectively jobbed out of their lands and would be itching to get it back- they just need a spark. I will also posit that I think a continent-wide revolt may be in the offing in RL, especially if the situation in Caledonia (which is about 57 miles (92 km) from Toronto, my neck of the woods) escalates. TG me or post here if interested. This probably won't get started until May at the earliest (when I'll have more time to post, plus this'll need setup).

Now as far as the whole revolt thing, if you look at the history of Layarteb, they've been in that area since the 500s and such so it might not work. I mean south of that, in the places I took over, there may have been indians there but definitely not when I started to get the area exccept maybe the few areas in the northeast that were acquired during the Republic.

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The fact that TOA is such an exclusive club, the fact that they choose only nations who are willing to abandon their sovereignty seem to suggest that they are NWO with a plan of world domination. If it was just your normal alliance they would let anyone in, but that’s a no go for TOA. Instead they want to have a strangle hold on business, military and land. Where only a few nations prosper over everyone else, they are plotting to take control of almost all of the oil fields and in a few years will control 80% of E2's oil. When an alliance wields that much power over a small area of the world, then yes people should be cautious. The fact that my nation is being targeted for simply speaking out against TOA seems to suggest their imperial "shoot first" ask questions later mentality. A true peaceful alliance would of started peace talks before the invasion...TOA skipped right over that and started a war. TOA did nothing to avoid war, they merely view their soldiers as pawns in a greater scheme. I on the other hand few my soldiers as fighting for the homeland, that’s why I only went after lands in Russia and Europe, cause they are my home not Africa which I could of tried to conquer. A TOA soldier on the other hand is a tool used to what Hawdawg calls “doing business” and making the rich man richer. Of course the shallow people of Bjornoya and Hirg like fighting for wealthy corporations. Make no mistake, I am the one nation that want's peace in this conflict, TOA wants war, murder, destruction, rape, pillage, and mayhem. But as long as the cash flows every thing will be all right. My government’s repeated apologize for the BISE incident and the war in Liechtenstein have fallen on deaf ears, even when it was the Bouvet incident that forced a regime change in Pantheaa, the TOA still eyed my nation with a burning hatred. The TOA first comes to their victims with a smile as when Cotland politely ask me if I would trade anything for bouvet island, or when NG send me a TG asking for a trade for Slovakia. Refuse that friendly trade and you now have war on the front door of that very same territory. This kind of dominos effect will take place everywhere, and soon it will engulf the other nations of E2. With the growing surveillance and ability to deploy anywhere in the world at anytime. TOA’s enemies will have no place to hide, but then again theirs a chance that neither will we.


I should write an entire book on TOA

TOA is the Opus Dei of E2

Actually we're all very sovereign within our alliance, hence why we do what we want and help each other out only when we want. In fact, for an alliance dominated by non-democratic powers, the alliance is very democratic inside of itself. If we let everyone in we wouldn't be very special nor would we be very capable. We were originally October 2003 only but we expanded when we realized that other, non-Oct 03 nations could be important. Nobody was forced into TOA that didn't accept it. You can deny acceptance into the alliance but nobody has. What can I say, we're uber. You're being targetted because you put a big bulls-eye on your chest and you did annoy some people. If we targetted you for speaking out against us, I'd be in that too. Now as far as the whole oil thing, of course we want to control oil, who doesn't? Peaceful talks often get no where. Perhaps those who attacked thought they would just be a waste of time (they were with Pushka). TOA does not want those, the nations fighting you might want that.

Pacifinesia, you all do realize that Layarteb was on your side. But you guys were not his allies and arn't to this day. He was ready to help defend one of your smallest, Azimeth. But yet he is a jackass because all he does is get involved in Conflicts and Nuke people?

I've been here longer than some of you who are bitching at Lay, and I'll tell you what I generally see when it revolves around TOA.

TOA goes to war, Layarteb just goes 'Okay'. He remains neutral for the most part, doing his own thing ( Mostly the take over of Latin and South America ). When the shit storm in Europe got bad ( I was Finland at this time. North Germania was not the Empire he was and he was at war with Aequatio trying to take Poland and Germany and fending off a Russian invasion inf Belarus as he was some what taking over Belarus ), namely when the Russians brought out their Nukes, Layarteb went 'Okay I'll get involved.' But it wasn't an all out invasion, it was a small task force. And to let you know, a LOT of TOA ignored NG's little plight.

They were off imperialising their parts of the World, and really didn't give a shit. The only other two people to really show their affection was Cotland ( a friend of NG to begin with ) and Hawdawg ( a friend of Layarteb ).

This was no Gang Bang at all. Infact it was a very hard war for them to fight and ofcourse I had another 'blackout' ( what I call my inactivities due to real life ).

And down the road it hasn't been nearly as bad as it is said to have been. Infact, the Roman Confederacy was WORST and so was NATO ( the EII version lead by Teh Ninjas and Tyrandis ). Just about everyone else would get together and gang bang a random nation for their land, and if TOA got involved it was ONLY to help that said nation unless that said nation was in Pantheaa's seat ( had to have done something to anger the TOA both ICly and OOCly ).

Now, when Layarteb says '50%' of the time, he means when it is sought to be right and not 'Hey guys lets go and rape this new nation because we are worried he will bring power and stabalitiy in the region he is settled in.'

Infact, I can't recall when all of the TOA helped with Imperialisation.

Infact, after Aequatio went D12 and was whiped from the map the rest of the conquest was pretty much done solely by NG and no one else. Perhaps Hawdawg helped here and there and did some tune ups in ( namely ) the United Kingdom. But nothing else.

And if the TOA were always jumping on people in one large group and were all focusing on one area, the Pacific would be a part of the TOA a LONG TIME AGO. They would have invaded me a LONG TIME AGO. And if they had done that, they would have ultimate control over what happens in East Asia and in the Pacific.

So would you all stop whining and bitching about the fact that the TOA is large and yes very revelant to EII. Because you may as well be bitching at the USA and UK for being too large to be in an alliance where they can help each other to the extremes as to where whoever they go to war with pretty much falls in a few months. ( Of course, we suck with insurgencies :-P ).

So please, instead of arguing, go and RP. And if you think Layarteb and the rest are SOOOOO bad then go start an Anti-TOA Alliance. Hell, I know they won't stop you at starting one up. They'll just leave you invited to invade them whenever. So shut the fuck up, and have a nice day.

Quite true. In fact if an anti-TOA alliance popped up I would be happy. I like a little rivalry. I enjoyed VCO and I was sad when it fell apart but he who led it was lying to those within it, basically making them think this alliance was all about economics when it wasn't. Now, in that case, I wouldn't mind a rival alliance, hell a Cold War is a GREAT thing.

I control a small share of the worlds oil compared to TOA and my prices are cheaper.

You do realize that the price for oil isn't really set in E2. For the most part we all go by RL values, I think. I have more expensive oil because I don't want my populace to rely on oil and have SUVs and shit like we have in America but then again, I horde most of the oil for my mil.

Infact, the Roman Confederacy was WORST

No way in hell. The RC wasn't uber-powerful but they weren't bad. In fact they're my favorite alliance to date. They rarely did anything wrong.

The RC did alot of things on the socioeconomic scale that really made a difference within the member countries. RomeW always had an idea for a new project to strengthen the economic swagger of the group.

-Hawdawg

TOA members, please check the forums.

To all conspiracy theorists, we're plotting our invasion of you.

No way in hell. The RC wasn't uber-powerful but they weren't bad. In fact they're my favorite alliance to date. They rarely did anything wrong.

We rarely did anything :p.

The one time we almost did something (war with TOA over Poland) NG killed it with inactivity. And then Cotland went all turn-coat on us. And the RC collapsed.

We rarely did anything :p.

The one time we almost did something (war with TOA over Poland) NG killed it with inactivity. And then Cotland went all turn-coat on us. And the RC collapsed.
Damn right...this shows your TLS that your bloody Poland shall never be free....or over my dead body..

Mmmm Poland.

*On a seperate front- to everyone in North America: I've had the idea kicking around for a while, but until the Caledonia Uprising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caledonia_occupation), I've kept it in the backburner. Anyway, I want to know if anyone's interested in a massive RP involving a continent-wide First Nations (i.e. "Indian") Revolt. Let's not forget that the Natives in both Canada and the US were effectively jobbed out of their lands and would be itching to get it back- they just need a spark. I will also posit that I think a continent-wide revolt may be in the offing in RL, especially if the situation in Caledonia (which is about 57 miles (92 km) from Toronto, my neck of the woods) escalates. TG me or post here if interested. This probably won't get started until May at the earliest (when I'll have more time to post, plus this'll need setup).

This looks interesting. I would definitely participate in this.

*whispering*
Fate, fate is so unkind
Now I should have known
Blind leading the blind
Reaping what I've sown
If it all amounts to nothing
Why, why then am I standing in this line?
*end whisper*

Hell is still overburdened
I must stand and wait in line
I may never know for certain when will be my time
How was I considered evil?
Measures taken in this life
Someone granted me repreival
Decades spent in strife

Led to nothing
Repeat it in mind
Led to nothing
If only I was born another time

Hell is still overburdened
I must stand and wait in line
Hell is still overburdened
Now I find that some take turn in the line

It's the closing of the curtain
In the play that was my life
Now this chapter's left all open tragedies inside
I was fighting for a reason
Holy blessed homicide
Seems I have committed treason
All I've sacrificed

Led to nothing
Repeat it in mind
Led to nothing
If only I was born another time

Hell is still overburdened
I must stand and wait in line
Hell is still overburdened
Now I find that that some take turn in the line
Hell is still overburdened
I must stand and wait in line
Hell is still overburdened
Now I find that that some take turn in the line

Fate is so unkind
Now I should have known
Blind leading the blind
Reaping what I've sown
If it all amounts to nothing
Why then am I standing in this line?

Hell is still overburdened
I must stand and wait in line
Hell is still overburdened
Now I find that some take turn in the line
Hell is still overburdened
I must stand and wait in line
Hell is still overburdened
Now I find that some take turn in the line

http://www.visualparadox.com/images/no-linking-allowed-/bonedance800.jpg

Seem pretty happy to me...

Ah...Luna...

http://www.visualparadox.com/images/no-linking-allowed-/bonedance800.jpg




A TOA meeting i presume

A TOA meeting i presume

I'm not that skinny and there are six of us.

If Soviet Bloc were a close friend, I would make a really inappropriate joke right now.

Paganism, the majority religion within the Empire, has as its chief deity, Luna, who is the moon goddess. This is remnant of Tnemratian history.

Mac? That wasn't a Confederacy thing. I believe I got involved on my own accord, because I had lands in the Pacific I wanted protected. I should also mention that when NG- who was once in the Confederacy- was expansionist, the Confederacy didn't- as a whole- help him out. Anyone who did did so under their own accord. The official Confederacy actions have only been defensive.

I...didn't even say it was you. It is pretty obvious you knew what I meant, as that the majorty of the people involved in that war WERE TOA.

Sorry I have to make my self a bit clear-er to keep you on the same level.

The funny thing about the old RC was Duke Barol and his aggressive expansion often divided the alliance between "crusaders" and "wardens" where me and Duke were the two most aggressive of the alliance. Hell, i only supported him cause i felt sorry for his endless begging for alliance aid.

Then a nation would attack DB for his expansion. And Teh Ninjas and others were forced to defend DB, because "the alliance is for mutal defense." In other words, DB found a way to expand without fear from harm since the alliance would be his body guard if he was attack.

The funny thing about the old RC was Duke Barol and his aggressive expansion often divided the alliance between "crusaders" and "wardens" where me and Duke were the two most aggressive of the alliance. Hell, i only supported him cause i felt sorry for his endless begging for alliance aid.

Then a nation would attack DB for his expansion. And Teh Ninjas and others were forced to defend DB, because "the alliance is for mutal defense." In other words, DB found a way to expand without fear from harm since the alliance would be his body guard if he was attack.

I do think Duke Barol was the straw that broke the camel's back. He just kept asking for aid and we all just got tired of it. Ruined a good alliance.

Hopefully this time around we've learned from our mistakes.

RomeW that summary pretty much is all that there is to TOA but it's like preaching to the choir.

Strange I seem to be one of the few who gets it.

No way in hell. The RC wasn't uber-powerful but they weren't bad. In fact they're my favorite alliance to date. They rarely did anything wrong.

Why thanks- though I'm not sure if that's a backhanded compliment there, Lay. :D

The RC did alot of things on the socioeconomic scale that really made a difference within the member countries. RomeW always had an idea for a new project to strengthen the economic swagger of the group.

-Hawdawg

Thank you. I'm proud of my Superhighways- I think RL could use them. That's one of the things I wanted to do with the Roman Confederacy- be more than just "a defence pact". It's about creating a community of nations who work well together and does things together- such as creating a harmonious and powerful economic bloc.

Now as far as the whole revolt thing, if you look at the history of Layarteb, they've been in that area since the 500s and such so it might not work. I mean south of that, in the places I took over, there may have been indians there but definitely not when I started to get the area exccept maybe the few areas in the northeast that were acquired during the Republic.

Still, a good portion of your area could have had Natives on them- the major groups at least do have stakes outside of your core territory (the Seminoles are in Florida, the Micmac in Nova Scotia/New Brunswick, and the Cree, Delaware, Mohawk and Iroquois all extend into Ontario). I should say I don't intend to force you (or anyone else) to do things with your land that you don't want to do.

This looks interesting. I would definitely participate in this.

Thank you. Yours may be easy though- all you have to deal with is the Inuit. Myself- with that protractor-like claim in North America- have quite a lot. :(

Still, a good portion of your area could have had Natives on them- the major groups at least do have stakes outside of your core territory (the Seminoles are in Florida, the Micmac in Nova Scotia/New Brunswick, and the Cree, Delaware, Mohawk and Iroquois all extend into Ontario). I should say I don't intend to force you (or anyone else) to do things with your land that you don't want to do.

As a resident of Florida for several years, I can vouch for the fact that the Seminole are a very organized tribe even to this day, and still have no formal treaty with the US government. If they decided to revolt there would be serious trouble in south florida.


Thank you. Yours may be easy though- all you have to deal with is the Inuit. Myself- with that protractor-like claim in North America- have quite a lot. :(

Yeah, that's true, although I imagine the Inuit could be pretty effective using guerilla warfare, given their superior knowledge of the terrain and how to deal with the, shall we say, adverse weather conditions that can crop up in northern Canada and Alaska.

As a resident of Florida for several years, I can vouch for the fact that the Seminole are a very organized tribe even to this day, and still have no formal treaty with the US government. If they decided to revolt there would be serious trouble in south florida.

No treaty? Our revolt may be sooner than we think. Man, if the Seminoles revolt, Caledonia will look like a walk in the park in comparison.

Yeah, that's true, although I imagine the Inuit could be pretty effective using guerilla warfare, given their superior knowledge of the terrain and how to deal with the, shall we say, adverse weather conditions that can crop up in northern Canada and Alaska.

That's true, and they're vocal too. Their political activities in the '60s and '70s led to the creation of Nunavut and chances are they'll probably accept no less here.

No treaty? Our revolt may be sooner than we think. Man, if the Seminoles revolt, Caledonia will look like a walk in the park in comparison.

Yep, eventually, the US government decided that the Seminole had been pushed far enough into the swamps and would probably die out on their own, so they left them alone. Evidently the Seminoles decided they didn't want to keep fighting and decided to leave the US government alone. They just sort of mutually got bored of fighting at the same time.

Oh no I am sure that those who conquered the lands before us pushed out the Indians, that is definitely a given. I don't mind being in it, not at all, but as far as the NE USA, it would be difficult to include that directly because of the history of Layarteb.

Pantheaa, the posts about Penza, Ulyanovsk and 'Samara' (it looks like 'Samera' on the map??) are in the earlier stages of the war, look them up. And no I didn't invade Bashkort Republic or Tartar Republic, but I attacked them with EMP's and cruise missiles. I expect you to give them away to somebody.

Huahin, I won't be pulling troops out until Pantheaa has given away ALL his lands. Its ok to go up on the map as Huahin but I can't allow anyone from Huahin into the regions until all Pantheaa's lands have been confirmed to other people.

If you trade me all your Russian lands, i shall give you Bulgaria.

Deal, I've been looking for some European land. That seems to be where 'its all at'. I know I probably loose out, but outside of the americas I'm not too bothered with land deals. Pleasure doing business with you.

Huahin, I won't be pulling troops out until Pantheaa has given away ALL his lands. Its ok to go up on the map as Huahin but I can't allow anyone from Huahin into the regions until all Pantheaa's lands have been confirmed to other people.

Not going to happen till halts his attack on Yemen

I though you were going to give Spizania Yemen?

I was, but you said your not going to pull out till all my territories are gone. And Yemen is my territory is it not?

You pulling out of Russia is more important;)

Yeah, thats fine. Just got confused, thought you weren't giving it to Spizania, but you are, so I'm cool. I will wait. We can keep a low key RP going till then I'm sure.

LOL, yeah how im a suppose to give Spiz Yemen when he ain't even on the beach yet

On a related note have you talked to NG yet...i think i already have a taker for Kursk and Bryan

We should do a ranking system thing where we rank people by population, military size, etc. We could put it all in the Excell sheet and stuff, you know? Regional power status, etc. What do you think?

Sounds like a plan. You are going to have to do it real um, precise lest it turn into spam fight. Sucks for me, im gonna be real low :(

Maybe Bjorn could come up with some mean ass formula that ranks everyone according to military size, population, land size, whatever...He's good at that math stuff. Then I could plug it into MS Excell and let it do the math for me.

I can do, although I'd like to add some aspects that aren't as concrete to the formula.

I can do, although I'd like to add some aspects that aren't as concrete to the formula.

Consider it a pet project dude. I've got no requests, limitations, etc. You know more about statistical formulas than I do so I have no business dictating any parameters.