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Layarteb
26-12-2006, 03:59
Wow 17,500 passed on Christmas. Nice! With regards to RP'ing, these fighter bases and other a/c bases I'm putting in are static...i'ts taking hours to do this so I won't be changing it again...ever...except maybe to add here & there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/26/washington/26immig.html?ei=5094&en=f406cdd45e3ed973&hp=&ex=1167109200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

Well there goes the ball game :(.
Layarteb
26-12-2006, 04:11
Here's another tidbit to chew on. Los Cinco Muertes and Isla Nublar are some islands off the coast of Costa Rica. You know you've seen them in Isla del Enfermo. On Isla Nublar is the Isla Nublar Medical Research Facility, a civilian facility under the direction of Umbrella Corporation. Naturally, because it is secluded, it has a small airstrip adjacent to it with the following forces deployed:

8th Air Force, 152nd Fighter Wing
15201st Fighter Squadron, F-16H Super Falcon (8)
15202nd Fighter Squadron, A-14A Buzzard (2)
15203rd Fighter Squadron, A-15A Cobra (4)
15204th Fighter Squadron, F-35A Raven (6)

8th Air Force, 46th Logistics Wing
4601st Logistics Squadron, C-130J Super Hercules (4)
4602nd Logistics Squadron, CV-24A Bulldog (6)

Why on heaven would a civilian medical facility need a military guard and military transports? Good question you ask ;).

Official Statement on Isla Nublar & Los Cinco Muertes
The Empire of Layarteb is fully aware of the secluded and vulnerable nature of these islands, which are claimed and occupied territory of the Empire. These islands are under the control of the Umbrella Corporation, which has an advanced medical research facility located on Isla Nublar. This facility is researching cures to incurable diseases and we are fully aware of the "greed" factor that may create in some of the lesser characters of the world. Therefore, to defend against acts of espionage and piracy, the Empire has offered military aide to the Umbrella Corporation for this facility.

Secret IC:

Isla Nublar and Los Cinco Muertes are a government controlled medical facility. Individuals diagnosed with incurable diseases, particularly STDs, are removed from society and transported to these islands to live the remainder of their natural life, secluded and away from the populace so they cannot infect more individuals. Human research is done in efforts to find a cure for these diseases. The Umbrella Corporation co-occupies and co-conducts the research.

Why am I bringing this up?
Because it has to do strongly with the next two parts of Ride the Lightning (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=448866). As well as Venezuela. There have been 3 wars in Venezuela already: the first being before the establishment of the Empire (draw parallels to the US in Iraq), the second being the conquest, and the third being a 1988 uprising (very bloody & squashed after 2 weeks of INTENSE fighting). Will there be a fourth? I'd bet on it...

Look what I dug up, NG remember this?
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=373430
RomeW
26-12-2006, 07:26
RomeW: The Empire wishes to inquire with the Romans about the possibility of a Free Trade Agreement.

We can arrange such a deal. We also hope to arrange a similar agreement with The October Alliance, especially in North America.
Terronian
26-12-2006, 07:44
Oooo yeah...it can but where would it be based?

It's a globawhere Security Specialist are housed and lived as well as supplies and weaponry stored, is in former Terronian lands. ^^ So...Australia.
RomeW
26-12-2006, 07:48
It's a globawhere Security Specialist are housed and lived as well as supplies and weaponry stored, is in former Terronian lands. ^^ So...Australia.

OOC: Which areas of Australia did you have? I'm in Australia now- well, part of it anyway.
Terronian
26-12-2006, 08:48
OOC: Which areas of Australia did you have? I'm in Australia now- well, part of it anyway.


I had Queensland, Northern Territory and that chunk of South Australia. Can I have my HQ on your territory? We can work up a deal between my compnay and your nation giving you some benefits or share.
RomeW
26-12-2006, 08:53
I had Queensland, Northern Territory and that chunk of South Australia. Can I have my HQ on your territory? We can work up a deal between my compnay and your nation giving you some benefits or share.

You can't be a terrorist then (because I don't endorse terrorism or want terrorists on my soil). You can be a military company, however.
Pushka
26-12-2006, 08:54
You can't be a terrorist then (because I don't endorse terrorism or want terrorists on my soil). You can be a military company, however.

Isn't Queensland owned by Kreynoria?
Terronian
26-12-2006, 09:09
You can't be a terrorist then (because I don't endorse terrorism or want terrorists on my soil). You can be a military company, however.

No, we do no terrorism. We are PMC and we adhere to the intrnatioanl laws of war as well as the rights of P.O.Ws. However, we are a company who's loyalty is bought wiuth vash and most of our buisness is with companies and foriegn nations so *shrugs* but we do not perform acts of terrorism.
RomeW
26-12-2006, 09:14
No, we do no terrorism. We are PMC and we adhere to the intrnatioanl laws of war as well as the rights of P.O.Ws. However, we are a company who's loyalty is bought wiuth vash and most of our buisness is with companies and foriegn nations so *shrugs* but we do not perform acts of terrorism.

I apologize for the misunderstanding. Sure we can work something out.
Terronian
26-12-2006, 09:19
Telegram me your AIm and/or MSN..or..yahoo..or whatever you got?
RomeW
26-12-2006, 09:44
Telegram me your AIm and/or MSN..or..yahoo..or whatever you got?

Send me a telegram tomorrow. I don't have time tonight to discuss the details (it's 3:45AM where I am).
Cotland
26-12-2006, 14:42
No, we do no terrorism. We are PMC and we adhere to the intrnatioanl laws of war as well as the rights of P.O.Ws. However, we are a company who's loyalty is bought wiuth vash and most of our buisness is with companies and foriegn nations so *shrugs* but we do not perform acts of terrorism.

Neither officially exists in Earth II... :rolleyes:
[NS]Kreynoria
26-12-2006, 18:18
Actually, I own most of your former territories in Australia, and I'd be fine if you set up shop in them.
Nerotika
26-12-2006, 18:45
What did you all get for christmas...
Me

Battlefield 2142
Gears of War (already own it though :( )
Two Hoodies
Sweater
a 25 dollar gift card for Best Buy
A camofauge wallet from my sister in NY
a 100 dollar check
National Insecurity - The onion newspaper 2006
10 bucks
50 dollars

I got my dad Ghost Recon Advance Warfighter for PC cause he is still playing the old Ghost Recon.

On top of that all i drank a whole lot of Wine and devoured the Cheesecake and shrimp

2142, sweet. We should play some time.

Anyone else up for a game of 2142?
Nerotika
26-12-2006, 18:52
Would you guys mind reviewing my "War against drug" post before I post it, cause I don't want to ruin a good thing with a bad post.


-My Post-
The birth of the U.S.R. also brought with it a revolution of the people, the drug culture boomed in a sudden burst. The single day of revolution birthed a future of drug lords and gang violence fueled by the drugs. The first officially named drug lord of the U.S.R. was a man by the name of Jack Nicolai.

http://en.epochtimes.com/news_images/2005-2-12-russian-dude.jpg

Nicolai in the recent months has begun to set up several drug houses fronting as clubs. Armed guards would stand in front of the clubs along with armed men inside, the U.S.R. military as well as police officers did not dare enter these uncontrolled and very hostile territories without Nicolai's permission. And thus the birth of the TSS. Kurtrovitz, seeing problems in the future, created The Soviet Syndicate. An organization built on the principles of fighting these dope dealing criminals behind their lines and on their turfs.

Nicolai, though, had begun to ship pounds and pounds of the illegal substances out to other countries as well as going against the new U.S.R. nationwide policies on exporting the legal marijuana and illegal narcotics.

The TSS seing Nicolai as a threat to their own, secret, exporting of drugs has sought to destroy his industry as well as others before they can become as problematic as Nicolai's.
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Downtown Kirov, U.S.R., Kirov

The nightclub bumped out beats loudly, the streets were shaking to every drum beat and bass slam. The doors were covered in a red glow from two light above them and in the glow stood two men wearing AK-47's as hand bags. People walked in then stumbled out of the club, eyes red, laughing before passing out on the street or leaving the block.

Two blocks from what was known as the Capitalist Club sat three large military humvee's, inside sat several U.S.R. soldiers griping their AK-108's. They watched people walk by, knowing full well they were stoned off their minds. They would arrest them if they didn't know Nicolai's men were watching, waiting for a reason to revolt against the U.S.R. policies. This time though Nicolai would get what was coming to him.

2:30 AM

A four door jeep drives up to the club letting out three men dressed in suit and tie. The jeep drives off after the driver nods the men inside. The three guys enter the club, one pats a guard on the shoulder and receives a polite smile and nod. The leading man, is Jack Nicolai.

2:45 AM

Six men turn the corner to the club, the soldiers in the humvee's are watching them from afar. The six men walk up to the door and the group leader begins to talk to one of the guards, the others walk inside the building without being checked. The group leader smiles and slips his hand under the guards gut, the guard falls with a stab wound, the other guard tries to yell and his throat his cut instantly. The man cleans his knife and enters the club.

Inside the club the five men before the sixth had arranged themselves around separately. One stood only a few feet from Nicolai, another behind the DJ and others near the bar where lines of coke were being done. The entire club a smoked up and it was obvious people on the dance floor were loaded with Ecstasy. As soon as the sixth man walked in the one behind the DJ placed a .45 colt on the DJ's neck stopping the music.

"Alright, your all under arrest. I am agent Knotz this club is being shut down for going against U.S.R. drug policies on producing and selling of narcotics. If any weapons are seen the holder will be shot, if anyone leaves they will be shot. This is the TSS your dealing with so don't fuck around." The codenamed Knotz yelled out. He reached into his long coat and brought out an MP5, the other agents held their weapons out as well, two others with MP5's the other three including the one with the DJ held .45 colt's.

"Sir, DROP YOUR WEAPON." An agent yelled out, he stood near Jack Nicolai and was pointing his colt at Nicolai's head.

"I don't have a weapon, look I'm unarmed, nothing." Nicolai responded.

The Agent walked closer Nicolai, gun up, and took a glance at his leader with a questioned look.

"Do not kill him, Kurstrovitz wants him alive, you can kill the others though." Knotz responded and before to long the bullets begun to fly.

The two men next to Nicolai stood attempting to pull weapons out, they were shot down four bullets in the chests. Nicolai stood and the agent near him pistol whipped him to the floor, knocked unconscious. Regular people in the club were beginning to run as the MP5 wielding agents opened up on the crowd. The DJ took a bullet to the back of his next which went through and out the other side and into a wall. Once the first clips of ammo were depleted the men unloaded, put the guns away leaving those alive living. They took Nicolai and dragged him out, meanwhile the Humvee's had pulled up and the soldiers got out, as one of them jogged into the club a TSS agent shot him in the head.

"We need a casualty to make it look like there was a reason we began to open fire. They knew their rights and by killing this man they went against them, right?" Knotz said as an agent dragged the soldiers body into the club to set up the scene.

Nicolai was loaded into the lead Humvee and driven off as the soldiers unloaded themselves and began to help clean up the club to make it look like they were only returning fire.

In the end, the TSS would escape looking like roses. Clearing Nicolai off the streets and cleaning a few towns of drugs, for the time being. The TSS would look at it like clearing enemy competition, soon they would be flooded with exporting deals.
-End of my Post-

Just tell me what you think, I actually want to to be honest, harsh criticism and everything, I want this to form into perfection.
Terronian
26-12-2006, 22:51
Kreynoria;12133991']Actually, I own most of your former territories in Australia, and I'd be fine if you set up shop in them.

That would be lovely. I plan on having two bases in Kreynorian Lands and one in RomeW lands.
Pantheaa
27-12-2006, 04:44
“The kingdom of Pantheaa has announced that they will renew their free trade agreement with the United States of Brink. This makes the USB the primary importer of Pantheaa, now that the FTA between Pantheaa and Bjornoya is void and since the government has seized all Bjornoya factories. Should make for easier trading within the nation.


We plan on receiving a lot of Gold from USB South Africa...the king wants to make a palace full of gold in fact and USB would make a great importer. We use copper and nickel for our coins though so gold would probably be a luxury item at best..something that the 4% of wealthy pantheans can buy.

exports would mainly be in agricultural but we do have Iron. We do have natural gas as well which is our big money export. We have oil but it’s nothing compared to the oil fields found in the middle east

The king is extremely proud with this agreement and announced that he plans to go on a hunting safari in Madagascar…hoping that this would encouraging more pantheans to tour USB Africa”

Duke Sasha Khan
Minister of Trade


His majesty..
King Conrad VII
King of Russio-Pantheaa and Slovakia
Layarteb
27-12-2006, 04:51
“The kingdom of Pantheaa has announced that they will renew their free trade agreement with the United States of Brink. This makes the USB the primary importer of Pantheaa, now that the FTA between Pantheaa and Bjornoya is void and since the government has seized all Bjornoya factories. Should make for easier trading within the nation.


We plan on receiving a lot of Gold from USB South Africa...the king wants to make a palace full of gold in fact and USB would make a great importer. We use copper and nickel for our coins though so gold would probably be a luxury item at best..something that the 4% of wealthy pantheans can buy.

exports would mainly be in agricultural but we do have Iron. We do have natural gas as well which is our big money export. We have oil but it’s nothing compared to the oil fields found in the middle east

The king is extremely proud with this agreement and announced that he plans to go on a hunting safari in Madagascar…hoping that this would encouraging more pantheans to tour USB Africa”

Duke Sasha Khan
Minister of Trade


His majesty..
King Conrad VII
King of Russio-Pantheaa and Slovakia


Yeah what do I do with Bjornoyan facilities in the Empire?
Nerotika
27-12-2006, 04:56
The territory I hold was formerly Bjornoyans right? Would like mean I have alot of industrial sites I can reuse, I'm thinking of starting an EII business. (Of course in the U.S.R. it'll be government controlled :p )
Pushka
27-12-2006, 05:33
Actually those territories were mine.
Nerotika
27-12-2006, 05:50
Actually those territories were mine.

...-.-, ummmm. Do I offend?

Did you have industrial businesses in these territories?
Pushka
27-12-2006, 05:53
Of course, although I can't name anything specific cause I haven't RPed detailed development of those parts of the country. But Uranium enrichment was a big thing I was in since 95% of the electricity grid came from nuclear power...I don't know make something up, build a T-shirt factory.
Nerotika
27-12-2006, 06:10
Of course, although I can't name anything specific cause I haven't RPed detailed development of those parts of the country. But Uranium enrichment was a big thing I was in since 95% of the electricity grid came from nuclear power...I don't know make something up, build a T-shirt factory.

Well, I could restart the nuclear energy plants, or sell the enriched uranium. Hmmmm dont know.

Sell uranium to evil terrorist states and dictatorial countries alike maybe providing them with nuclear capabilities, or restart the nuclear power plants. HHMMMMMMM what should I do.
Cotland
27-12-2006, 06:13
Well, I could restart the nuclear energy plants, or sell the enriched uranium. Hmmmm dont know.

Sell uranium to evil terrorist states and dictatorial countries alike maybe providing them with nuclear capabilities, or restart the nuclear power plants. HHMMMMMMM what should I do.

I strongly recommend the highlighted option........ ;)
Nerotika
27-12-2006, 06:17
I strongly recommend the highlighted option........ ;)

ooooooffffffff, course you do.

Now then...turn the lights on inside the plant...that'll cost alot, but im sure by adding a few extra 0's to the price of the uranium that'll cover the cost.:p
Pantheaa
27-12-2006, 06:44
Yeah what do I do with Bjornoyan facilities in the Empire?

1) the capitalist apporach
Seize them and auction them off to local business owners..thats what im doing

2) the communist apporach
Seize them for yourself and nationalize them
RomeW
27-12-2006, 08:00
I strongly recommend the highlighted option........ ;)

Nah...I disagree. Everyone could use more nukes. :D
Nerotika
27-12-2006, 09:29
The U.S.R. has begun a new weapons upgrade, though sticking to conventional AK style AR's the Soviet military has found several of its weapons useless against modern armies and to provide a better future for defense commissions the following weapons.


The XM307 (High powered 25mm airburst launcher/.50 cal MG)
Panzerhowizter2000 (Mobile Armored Artillery)
Metal Storm Automatic Unmanned Machine Gun
Thermobaric Bomb (T-01 Thermobaric Bomb)
EMP Bomb (Electrically serge out power grids)
MOAB Bomb (Massive Ordinance Air Blast Bomb)
M107 (High powered sniper rifle)

Cost in total: $27,000,000,000 (To buy full replacements)
(Any nation that would like to maybe loan money to the U.S.R. please speak up.)

http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/future-weapons/weapons/weapon-zone.html
All information on weapons found here.
Hirgizstan
27-12-2006, 15:44
Nero, make sure you start posting in the Military Takeover thread again.
[NS]Kreynoria
27-12-2006, 17:44
Sell uranium to evil terrorist states and dictatorial countries alike maybe providing them with nuclear capabilities

Kreynoria remains opposed to the proliferation of nucelear weapons and takes pride in being a non-hypocritical nation, since we don't possess them while preventing others from making and using them.
Pushka
27-12-2006, 22:43
And how exactly are you preventing others from making them and using them? I've been making them for a long, long time and I got dozens of thousands in storage. Never heard a word from you about it.
[NS]Kreynoria
27-12-2006, 23:22
Preventing is the wrong word. Discouraging is what I do.
Layarteb
28-12-2006, 03:33
Nah...I disagree. Everyone could use more nukes. :D

I, for one, could use more nuclear weapons. I just don't have enough. I mean I can annihilate the planet only about 100 times over but I might need 101.

Kreynoria;12137403']Kreynoria remains opposed to the proliferation of nucelear weapons and takes pride in being a non-hypocritical nation, since we don't possess them while preventing others from making and using them.

We oppose proliferation too but we take the realism approach that people will get them so our best defense against their use is having them ourselves and making the penalty of use of them against the Empire so severe that the war will stay conventional.
RomeW
28-12-2006, 07:22
I, for one, could use more nuclear weapons. I just don't have enough. I mean I can annihilate the planet only about 100 times over but I might need 101.



We oppose proliferation too but we take the realism approach that people will get them so our best defense against their use is having them ourselves and making the penalty of use of them against the Empire so severe that the war will stay conventional.

The Roman Empire also possesses nuclear weapons also because of the above reasoning. Since war is competitive by nature, giving anyone the upper hand is a recipe for disaster.
United States of Brink
28-12-2006, 17:54
I don't have any. Sadface. BUT my close friend and neighbor who i doubt would enjoy a nuke going off so close to him has quiet alot.

[disclaimer] not saying he would but i doubt he wouldnt
Spizania
28-12-2006, 18:17
You can never have enough nuclear weapons.
Hirgizstan
28-12-2006, 20:31
I think you can have enough. I believe I have enough, I haven't added or taken away from my stocks for a long time.
Pushka
28-12-2006, 23:33
After democratic elections in the RDU which is now to be known as Russian Federation Igor Stepanov was elected a new president with Ivan Mishin deciding not to run and retiring.
RomeW
29-12-2006, 07:51
I don't have any. Sadface. BUT my close friend and neighbor who i doubt would enjoy a nuke going off so close to him has quiet alot.

[disclaimer] not saying he would but i doubt he wouldnt

I think we need to send in weapons inspectors, 'cause after all those who deny are actually covering up... :p
Nerotika
29-12-2006, 09:07
I realize I have neglected the forums for two days...although I betting if I had wrote something here no one would understand me, I had a fun two days :D

Anyway, off that...sorry everyone involved in my war thread, I will post later today, right now Im feeling rather not able to be of the thinking persuasion so give me a little time to sleep it off.
Saint Lazare
29-12-2006, 20:29
I don't have nukes - just because I don't...
Soviet Trasa
29-12-2006, 21:16
Heh, everyone seems to be focused on either the Middle-East or a specific area of Russia. *chuckles* It provides GOOD entertainment for my King. :D
Nerotika
29-12-2006, 21:42
Ok well i've decided on nuclear energy, that'll save a bit of money in the long run. Although my next task should be figuring out how to explain the green clouds :)
Nerotika
29-12-2006, 21:51
More tidbits of information

Due to concerns about the tense relations with TOA members and the Soviet Republics an enhanced border security system will be placed in effect three miles out from the border of Cotland. Here the U.S.R. will be utilizing its Metal Storm Unmanned Machine Guns on the border, the system will fire upon any person or persons who comes over the Cottish border and into soviet territory.

A single fence will be placed as well along with two rows of barbed wire fencing infront of this larger fence, topped with barbed wire. If relations with cotland get better this system would most likely be lessened.

(Cotland and Hirgizstan [And other nations who were against soviet aide in the middle east] though there have been problems with the Aazad do not count them as allies of the Soviet forces, if there is a way we can set up a meeting of sorts, something so we can come to terms with any hostilities we may have, please mention it.)
Cotland
29-12-2006, 22:06
Royal Cottish Army

The Royal Cottish Army is responsible for the ground defense of the Realm of Cotland, and has a vast arsenal of weapons and equipment at its disposal to accomplish those means, including but not limited to roughly fourty thousand main battle tanks, thirty-eight thousand six hundred tubed artillery units, sixty-four thousand infantry combat vehicles, four thousand rocket artillery vehicles, six thousand one hundred attack helicopters, four thousand nine hundred utility aircraft, and several hundred thousand support vehicles.

The Royal Cottish Army currently consists of three forces, two of which are standing and consists mainly of soldiers doing their eighteen (18) month mandatory military service. Thus, the soldiers tend to be young, with an average age of nineteen or twenty. All soldiers serve for eighteen months, of which the first three months are spent in Basic and Advanced Training camps.

First, we have the Regular Army which is consists of highly trained professional soldiers numbering roughy 1,075 million strong divided into twenty-one Armored Divisions, fourty-seven Mechanized Infantry Divisions, thirty-five motorised infantry divisions and seventeen Air Assault Divisions, as well as His Majesty the King's Guard and the various smaller units which support the operations of the Cottish Area and High Commands.

In addition, we have the Territorial Army which is a standing army which consists of some one million combat troops divided into eighty-eight Territorial Infantry Divisions, fourty-five Territorial Tank Divisions and twenty-one Territorial Missile Divisions. The difference between the Regular army and the Territorial Army is that the Territorial Army cannot be deployed outside the borders of the Realm, not even in wartime. This is done to ensure that the Realm has a standing force capable of defending the territories of the Realm against foreign aggression.

Lastly, we have the Home Guard, which is the reservist force the Realm can rely on in case of foreign invasion, natural disasters and times of emergencies. These troops are all part of the civilian population who serves as reservists for the military, maintaining their military skills one weekend every month. They aren't paid when they're in service per se, but service in the Home Guard gives the guardsmen and -women a constant 15 % tax cut as payment for their services. This force consists of all those who have been honorably discharged from service after their service time with the Regular and Territorial Armies, and is therefore of a substantial size, numbering in the millions. All members serve in the Home Guard until they reach the age of fourty-four (44), at which time they are released from their obligations. They can still be called into service up to the age of fifty-five (55) as War Reservists though.

The Royal Cottish Army has units in all areas of the Realm and even some outside the borders of the Realm, but there area three areas of the Realm where its strength lies. These areas are the Greater Norwegian Province (Norway, Murmansk, Svalbard, Faroe Islands, Shetland Islands), the Middle Eastern Province (Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Cyprus), and the Siberian Province (Yakutia, Madagan, New Siberian Islands, Wrangel Island).


[OOC: Whew! That took me the better part of two days to figure out, but I finally have my army organized. I'll store it here until I can get a factbook up and running. Contact me on AIM if you want to know more about the Royal Cottish Army.]
Hirgizstan
29-12-2006, 22:18
Nero: I consider communists to be on a par with terrorists, your nation is neither recognized nor cared about in the COH, and UAE is almost fully under COH, Hawdawgian and Spizanian military control. I will not accept anything less than your full capitulation on the matter...i.e. you give up any claims to the UAE. (Consider your overall position before you answer.)
Pushka
29-12-2006, 22:32
Well considering communists (those who killed the terrorists) to be the same as terrorists is simply irrational and just shows that you Hirgizstan use a practice of combining what you know ICly with what you know OOCly in your IC replies. That is with lack of a better word bullshit, ofcourse no one can stop you because its you government and it can do what it wants but obviously you are playing against IC common sense not that anyone will try to stop you, everyone in the TOA atleast seems to be rather happy with using the technique. Thats my two cents on the matter.
Pushka
29-12-2006, 22:35
By the way, Spiz broke all relations with TOA members correct?
Nerotika
29-12-2006, 22:37
Nero: I consider communists to be on a par with terrorists, your nation is neither recognized nor cared about in the COH, and UAE is almost fully under COH, Hawdawgian and Spizanian military control. I will not accept anything less than your full capitulation on the matter...i.e. you give up any claims to the UAE. (Consider your overall position before you answer.)

COMMUNIST...ouch, just cause I share a slight bit of common ground with the communist society I am in no way that extreme with social policies. Do not tie me in as a communist nation.
Nerotika
29-12-2006, 22:44
I just want to make this clear.

The U.S.R. is not a communist nation, we respect social policies and believe in socialism but it is a very democratic processes as well as there being capitalist policies involved.

Basically, there are two branches in our economic system. The non-government owned businesses [I.E. Local gas stations, laundry mats, basic supply needs.] and of course the government owned ones [Food supplies, police, other law-enforcement agencies, economic businesses, energy needs]. Things along those natures.

Its a complex separation of socialism and capitalism so much so that it works side by side.

When the U.S.R. feels its needed as well, elections for Soviet Ruler will be held. The current leader only being temporary was in placed so an election would not have to be held right after the revolution, to ensure former government officials of rebel supports didn't take office.
Cotland
29-12-2006, 23:04
Nero, if you don't consider your nation a communist or socialist nation, drop the "Soviet" in the nation name. Just a friendly tip. :)

Pushka, I think he just dropped them with Hawdawg and Hirgizstan, as they were the ones who pissed him off. He don't hold a grudge against me, Lay, NG or SB to my knowledge. Of course, I could be mistaken... :confused:
Nerotika
29-12-2006, 23:12
Nero, if you don't consider your nation a communist or socialist nation, drop the "Soviet" in the nation name. Just a friendly tip. :)

The soviet thing is fine here, on EII there is no connection of soviet and communism as there is no such thing as the soviet party on EII. Basically I am creating the definition of soviet on EII. (Soviet just sounds kinda cool too)
Cotland
30-12-2006, 01:03
The soviet thing is fine here, on EII there is no connection of soviet and communism as there is no such thing as the soviet party on EII. Basically I am creating the definition of soviet on EII. (Soviet just sounds kinda cool too)
Sorry, but no. A couple of years ago, we had Hogsweat here, in Russia, as a communist nation, with the nation name including the word "Soviet", so that's already been done. Other than that, good logic.
Layarteb
30-12-2006, 01:05
Sorry, but no. A couple of years ago, we had Hogsweat here, in Russia, as a communist nation, with the nation name including the word "Soviet", so that's already been done. Other than that, good logic.

Eh he's kind of right, Soviet in E2 doesn't mean the same thing it does in real-life. The name doesn't particularly denote communism. Hogsweat had a few names for his nation, none really that stuck for too long.
Cotland
30-12-2006, 01:11
True, but you have to keep in mind that the word "soviet" is Russian for "council of workers"[1][2], and with a nation named the United Council of Worker's Republic(s), it is entirely plausible to associate the name with the policies of socialism[3] and communism[4], which we have had plenty of here on E2 over the years.

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[1] = http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Soviet
[2] = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_(council)
[3] = http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/socialism
[4] = http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/communism

[Yeah, I'm a student that's learned that its necessary to list your references. Bite me.]
Nerotika
30-12-2006, 02:37
True, but you have to keep in mind that the word "soviet" is Russian for "council of workers"[1][2], and with a nation named the United Council of Worker's Republic(s), it is entirely plausible to associate the name with the policies of socialism[3] and communism[4], which we have had plenty of here on E2 over the years.

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[1] = http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Soviet
[2] = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_(council)
[3] = http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/socialism
[4] = http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/communism

[Yeah, I'm a student that's learned that its necessary to list your references. Bite me.]

Well...ummm...hmm...no rebuttal except for technically my government is running off councils instead of branches like the senate and house and such, so it would make sense to call ourselves a Council of Workers cause in a sense thats what we are.

Eh im just trying to stay in the argument but im quite sure I have no good points left to make and so...I leave with this, Drink your ovaltine, Bitch['tis my new smacktalk phrase, w00t w00t]
Pushka
30-12-2006, 04:48
True, but you have to keep in mind that the word "soviet" is Russian for "council of workers"[1][2], and with a nation named the United Council of Worker's Republic(s), it is entirely plausible to associate the name with the policies of socialism[3] and communism[4], which we have had plenty of here on E2 over the years.

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[1] = http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Soviet
[2] = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_(council)
[3] = http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/socialism
[4] = http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/communism

[Yeah, I'm a student that's learned that its necessary to list your references. Bite me.]

Actually soviet is Russian for both any kind of assembly type council and can be also used as a word for a hint, or giving someone helpful information or advising them. Also the way the westerners (english speakers) pronounce it is nothing like the way its supposed to be pronounced, the "ie" is your substitute for our letter "e" which sounds completely different. Thats my two cents, I like saying thats my two cents for some reason, dammit.
Doomingsland
30-12-2006, 04:50
HUZZAH! Saddam's been hanged!
Pushka
30-12-2006, 04:53
Actually now that I think of it CCCP was Sovetskie Soyuz Socialisticheskih Respublic (Soviet Union of Socialist Republics), Sovetskie is derived from word Sovet (which is a closer to the truth spelling of Soviet) but is used as a different part of speech, Sovetskie literally means belonging to or owned by the councils. It seems to me now that in the west the word Soviet was given its own qualities which are not shared by its origins in Russia.
Pushka
30-12-2006, 04:54
HUZZAH! Saddam's been hanged!

Meh...now we gonna have a bunch of people going HALALALALALA!!! and blowing themselves up in public places. Touche US, touche.
Nerotika
30-12-2006, 05:44
Meh...now we gonna have a bunch of people going HALALALALALA!!! and blowing themselves up in public places. Touche US, touche.

Hey didn't they hand him over to the Iraqi police before the execution, so technically its not their fault :p
Pyschotika
30-12-2006, 06:54
Hey didn't they hand him over to the Iraqi police before the execution, so technically its not their fault :p

The United States of America, after an Official Iraqi Court Hearing, handed the condemned man, Saddam Hussein, to Iraqi Police Officials under the watch of the Iraqi (Shi'ite, of course) Government. When the Iraqi-hand cuffs were slapped onto Saddam's wrists, they read aloud his Condemnation to Death by Hanging. Shortly before 6 AM Baghdad time, Iraqi Officials and Iraqi Police went through with the Hanging of Saddam Hussein. He was pronounced Dead at the scene.

No American Presence was made, nor were there no American Witnesses at the Hanging.

The only 'backlash' it will cause will be that of Sunnis and Shi'ites. But...wait...doesn't that backlash already exist? So, in the end, it just pisses off the Sunnis who are heavily outnumbered by the Shi'ites and thus more bombings will occur.

Big fuckin' whoop.
Pushka
30-12-2006, 07:09
Pys you do realize that the US is the whole reason for why he was imprisoned and tried in the first place. His hanging just gives the extremist Muslim leaders another tool to convince even more people to join their Jihad against the infidels, and with the destruction US brought to Iraq and Afghanistan it is not hard for a middle eastern man or woman to be convinced that they want to fight against the US. What I'm saying is that Saddam is going to get turned into a martyr and a whole bunch more people will decide to join the Jihad when before. US war in Iraq has already created more terrorists when it has killed, this incident will create even more, I can't judge how much more but looking at how efficiently a martyr can be used to create blind followers, I'd say the terrorist ranks and thus the frequency of attacks will increase by a considerable amount. Not to mention the fact that this is another step on the road to an all out civil war in Iraq.
Layarteb
30-12-2006, 07:11
Pys you do realize that the US is the whole reason for why he was imprisoned and tried in the first place. His hanging just gives the extremist Muslim leaders another tool to convince even more people to join their Jihad against the infidels, and with the destruction US brought to Iraq it is not hard for a middle eastern man or woman to be convinced that they want to fight against the US. What I'm saying is that Saddam is going to get turned into a martyr and a whole bunch more people will decide to join the Jihad when before. US war in Iraq has already created more terrorists when it has killed, this incident will create even more, I can't judge how much more but looking at how efficiently a martyr can be used to create blind followers, I'd say the terrorist ranks and thus the frequency of attacks will increase by a considerable amount. Not to mention the fact that this is another step on the road to an all out civil war in Iraq.

Isn't it funny that the extremist Muslims who condemn us for killing Saddam condemned him long ago for invading the Kingdom and not turning Iraq into a proper Islamic state? It's funny how easily it is to change you viewpoints to suite the propaganda (not that they needed much more shifting).

I doubt though that Saddam is going to be a martyr at all except to the Ba'athists, who number very little. For the most part, the fanatics still hate him for what he did to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia as well as for his secularism.
Pushka
30-12-2006, 08:36
Wake up man, if you want power adapting your point of view to the situation is on top of the list of things to be able to do. Its not like the terrorists are the only ones who are doing it, remember the good old days when US thought Osama was a good guy and gave him Stingers?
Layarteb
30-12-2006, 09:08
Wake up man, if you want power adapting your point of view to the situation is on top of the list of things to be able to do. Its not like the terrorists are the only ones who are doing it, remember the good old days when US thought Osama was a good guy and gave him Stingers?

Considering those days never existed no I don't. The US supplied the Northern Alliance with missiles that were, in effect, either destroyed when the ammunition dump exploded or when their one-of-a-kind batteries died a few years later. None exist anymore. Osama bank rolled his own army and was neither a CIA agent nor on US payroll. Sorry to bust the "conspiracy" bubble. To fanatical Islamists, Saddam is just as bad as Bush.
Hirgizstan
30-12-2006, 17:26
Indeed, Lay has it pegged absoloutely right. Just look at Saddam's last letter to the people, asking them not to hate the US, but to reconcile their differences. The extremists in Iraq are either Syrian or Iranian funded and Shi'te or Sunni minded, they hate Saddam and have said so numerous times.

And Pushka, I also have no idea why your on my back about hating communists as much as terrorists, that mentality is Hirgizstanian to the core, so I really don't know what your argument is about.

And Nero, Socialists are just as bad. Like Diet Coke if Coke was communism. (Thats probably a bad analogy as there are many ideological differences, but I think its apt.)
Saint Lazare
30-12-2006, 18:03
I could make billions of comments about this, but this is not the place to continue these discussions...
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30-12-2006, 22:25
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Layarteb
30-12-2006, 22:57
Yeah the Empire is very anti-communist as well.
Pushka
30-12-2006, 23:19
Considering those days never existed no I don't. The US supplied the Northern Alliance with missiles that were, in effect, either destroyed when the ammunition dump exploded or when their one-of-a-kind batteries died a few years later. None exist anymore. Osama bank rolled his own army and was neither a CIA agent nor on US payroll. Sorry to bust the "conspiracy" bubble. To fanatical Islamists, Saddam is just as bad as Bush.

Well I highly doubt your last statement but I am not trying to get out a conspiracy theory I'm just giving an example that was incorrect and I apologize for that. But I bet you that there is atleast one of the guys you supplied in Afghanistan who is now or was (meaning you already killed him) on your hit list. Thats the point I'm trying to get across.
Pushka
30-12-2006, 23:23
And Pushka, I also have no idea why your on my back about hating communists as much as terrorists, that mentality is Hirgizstanian to the core, so I really don't know what your argument is about.

I'm not on your back, I was simply correcting Cotland's statement about the meaning of the word soviet. As for what I said before that, I stand by my statement but that doesn't mean that I'm against those kinds of moves, I am just laying out whats happening on the table. But now that you mention it communist governments really have nothing in common with terrorist organizations, I hope you realize that atleast. As for you hating them both equally I couldn't care less.
Layarteb
30-12-2006, 23:53
Well I highly doubt your last statement but I am not trying to get out a conspiracy theory I'm just giving an example that was incorrect and I apologize for that. But I bet you that there is atleast one of the guys you supplied in Afghanistan who is now or was (meaning you already killed him) on your hit list. Thats the point I'm trying to get across.

Undoubtedly there were many on our hit list afterwards but we can, thankfully, say that OBL or his crew weren't included. The Northern Alliance wasn't exactly a cushy bunch of guys who hugged teddy bears either. They dealt opium and killed people just as well and I am sure that many of the warlords were targetted and taken out but we did make a smart move with the Stingers with their unique batteries that die eventually and there was that big ammo dump explosion, whether that was CIA or KGB who set that one off.
[NS]Kreynoria
31-12-2006, 01:27
Just out of curiosity, if a person was to be trapped in a giant microwave oven and it turned on, how would they die and how painful and long would it be?
Cotland
31-12-2006, 01:33
Kreynoria;12151975']Just out of curiosity, if a person was to be trapped in a giant microwave oven and it turned on, how would they die and how painful and long would it be?

I don't know, but you could always ask the little old lady who sued the company that made microwave ovens for not having said anything in the user manual about not using it to dry your wet little pudle... :rolleyes:


I would guess radiation. Why? Are you gonna use it against any relatives? (hint Sparta Dominion hint)
[NS]Kreynoria
31-12-2006, 01:35
Nah, I'm thinking of it as an execution method in my nation. I figure the intense heat, dessication of skin, boiling of the eyes, etc. will make it extremely painful (and messy).
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 01:36
Kreynoria;12151975']Just out of curiosity, if a person was to be trapped in a giant microwave oven and it turned on, how would they die and how painful and long would it be?

Very painfully. Microwave ovens work by speeding up the molecules inside the item, therefore heating it from the inside. A conventional oven just uses convection and heats it up through hot air. So if you were put inside of a microwave, you would die, essentially, through internal burning. Your blood would eventually boil, your organs would heat up, and the water inside of your body, of which 75% makes up your body, would boil just as well. It would probably be one of the most painful deaths anyone can imagine.
[NS]Kreynoria
31-12-2006, 01:38
I'm a genius.
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 01:55
Or a sick, twisted, ****
Pyschotika
31-12-2006, 02:03
Pys you do realize that the US is the whole reason for why he was imprisoned and tried in the first place. His hanging just gives the extremist Muslim leaders another tool to convince even more people to join their Jihad against the infidels, and with the destruction US brought to Iraq and Afghanistan it is not hard for a middle eastern man or woman to be convinced that they want to fight against the US. What I'm saying is that Saddam is going to get turned into a martyr and a whole bunch more people will decide to join the Jihad when before. US war in Iraq has already created more terrorists when it has killed, this incident will create even more, I can't judge how much more but looking at how efficiently a martyr can be used to create blind followers, I'd say the terrorist ranks and thus the frequency of attacks will increase by a considerable amount. Not to mention the fact that this is another step on the road to an all out civil war in Iraq.

That's where you're wrong.

The only people this will convince to join the 'Struggle against all Infidels, the Jihad' are some Sunnis. Me? - So fucking what. The only Sunni's who would give a shit would be the ones in..oh..er..Iraq? And they are way too bussy trying to kill off Shi'ites. If you haven't noticed, Sadam basically insulted all of Shia in his last statement. Hmm...yea you're a bit flawed there, buddy. Now, I see where you're comming from with the 'This will spark more hatred, more people to fight us' but didn't a lot of people with your ideaology say that when you dropped a 500 lbs bomb on the fuck who's name I've alreaday forgotten?

Seriously, here is the death toll the following day of his name being put behind 'The Martyr' -

Three more US Casualties than usual. Me - Big whoop.

If anything, this'll give the Shi'ites a MORALE boost. Infact, a lot of Shi'ites like America more for their actions towards Saddam. Not saying that'll end their envolvement in any Jihad against us, just that they are going - Big fuckin' whoop that Saddam is a Martyr, he went out of his way to try and defy Iran, Kuwait, and even tried to kill off as many Shi'ites as he could.

Trust me -

There will be no surge, there will be no flags flying about calling for a Jihad on American Soil.

All this has done is one simple thing -

Sent another fuck head to hell.
Pyschotika
31-12-2006, 02:09
Well I highly doubt your last statement but I am not trying to get out a conspiracy theory I'm just giving an example that was incorrect and I apologize for that. But I bet you that there is atleast one of the guys you supplied in Afghanistan who is now or was (meaning you already killed him) on your hit list. Thats the point I'm trying to get across.

Dude, it's a tactic used all the way down to Kindergarten.

It's always been the idea of 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend, be it now that he is my friend but later when he is weakened he shall be my enemy.'

America didn't go out there and go 'WE LOVE YOU OSAMA, HERE ARE SOME STINGERS!!!'. It was like this -

"Oh, the Soviets are invading Afghanistan? Okay, lets give whoever the fuck are fighting the Soviets some pretty missiles to blast the shit out of those aerodynamic rust buckets."

That's it, it was no "Hey, Osama, we'll pay you a gagillion dollars for no reason other than Combatting Soviets, even though doing this the KGB may find out and the Soviets may nuke us."

If we gave him any funding at all, it would have pissed off the Soviets. The Soviets knew that any enemy of theirs would be 'armed' by the West/USA but they weren't going to do anything about it. Just arm the enemies of the West/USA. But if they knew or believed that the Americans or Western Europeans were funding the fuck out of something like the Northern Alliance, then it would have been a shitty mess and I highly doubt that this forum would even exist today.

The difference is, however, is that we gave weapons...period.

The other side? They give weapons, they give Dinars, they give promises of virgins, and hell...they dub them Martyrs and Warriors of 'The Most Glorious Jihad'.

Trust me, there is no similarity here to make it even close to irony.
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 02:12
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512803
Against All Enemies

[not E2 only]
Pyschotika
31-12-2006, 02:12
Kreynoria;12151975']Just out of curiosity, if a person was to be trapped in a giant microwave oven and it turned on, how would they die and how painful and long would it be?

It would start with a warm sensation in your brain *being as that is where most of your...for simplicities sake...electricity lies*, after the initial 15 or so seconds your organs would start to feel warm *have you ever had kidney pains? Well imagine that, but just getting very warm* and before you even reach a minute your skin would be reaching a first degree burn, your organs would be cooking from the inside out, and you'd be screaming and possibly gurgling blood.

In other words - Ouch, that hurts.
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 02:20
I think the human body has either 1.5 or 9 volts in it.
Pyschotika
31-12-2006, 02:26
I think that's right...

Still the 'epicenter' would either be the Brain or the Heart. I remember watching a documentary, yes I did but on TV, after that one Woman was convicted for putting her baby in a microwave and well...killing the baby.
[NS]Kreynoria
31-12-2006, 03:46
I'm confused as to how active and passive sonar work and which one is better for different situations. Can someone help clarify?
Pushka
31-12-2006, 04:23
Undoubtedly there were many on our hit list afterwards but we can, thankfully, say that OBL or his crew weren't included. The Northern Alliance wasn't exactly a cushy bunch of guys who hugged teddy bears either. They dealt opium and killed people just as well and I am sure that many of the warlords were targetted and taken out but we did make a smart move with the Stingers with their unique batteries that die eventually and there was that big ammo dump explosion, whether that was CIA or KGB who set that one off.

Which brings us to my point, nations (or terrorist organizations) change their points of view when necessary, yesterday's allies can become today's enemies if that benefits one's interests. Same with Saddam, it doesn't matter how the extremists viewed him in the past, now they will make him a martyr because that is in their interests.
Pushka
31-12-2006, 04:28
That's where you're wrong.

The only people this will convince to join the 'Struggle against all Infidels, the Jihad' are some Sunnis. Me? - So fucking what. The only Sunni's who would give a shit would be the ones in..oh..er..Iraq? And they are way too bussy trying to kill off Shi'ites. If you haven't noticed, Sadam basically insulted all of Shia in his last statement. Hmm...yea you're a bit flawed there, buddy. Now, I see where you're comming from with the 'This will spark more hatred, more people to fight us' but didn't a lot of people with your ideaology say that when you dropped a 500 lbs bomb on the fuck who's name I've alreaday forgotten?

Seriously, here is the death toll the following day of his name being put behind 'The Martyr' -

Three more US Casualties than usual. Me - Big whoop.

If anything, this'll give the Shi'ites a MORALE boost. Infact, a lot of Shi'ites like America more for their actions towards Saddam. Not saying that'll end their envolvement in any Jihad against us, just that they are going - Big fuckin' whoop that Saddam is a Martyr, he went out of his way to try and defy Iran, Kuwait, and even tried to kill off as many Shi'ites as he could.

Trust me -

There will be no surge, there will be no flags flying about calling for a Jihad on American Soil.

All this has done is one simple thing -

Sent another fuck head to hell.

Its not just Iraq, I am talking about the whole middle east, probably will even have impact in south Caucasus. Saddam's death can and will be used by Muslim extremists all over the middle east to increase their recruiting numbers ,why? Because its so easy. Here we have Saddam who was imprisoned by the infidels and when hanged by them yet preserving his faith in Allah, and on and on, I am sure they got better orators then me. But also the very fact that the Americans, the infidels came into a Muslim country, raped it and then killed its leader that will get a shitload of people angry, its as simple as that.
Pushka
31-12-2006, 04:34
Dude, it's a tactic used all the way down to Kindergarten.

It's always been the idea of 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend, be it now that he is my friend but later when he is weakened he shall be my enemy.'

America didn't go out there and go 'WE LOVE YOU OSAMA, HERE ARE SOME STINGERS!!!'. It was like this -

"Oh, the Soviets are invading Afghanistan? Okay, lets give whoever the fuck are fighting the Soviets some pretty missiles to blast the shit out of those aerodynamic rust buckets."

That's it, it was no "Hey, Osama, we'll pay you a gagillion dollars for no reason other than Combatting Soviets, even though doing this the KGB may find out and the Soviets may nuke us."

If we gave him any funding at all, it would have pissed off the Soviets. The Soviets knew that any enemy of theirs would be 'armed' by the West/USA but they weren't going to do anything about it. Just arm the enemies of the West/USA. But if they knew or believed that the Americans or Western Europeans were funding the fuck out of something like the Northern Alliance, then it would have been a shitty mess and I highly doubt that this forum would even exist today.

The difference is, however, is that we gave weapons...period.

The other side? They give weapons, they give Dinars, they give promises of virgins, and hell...they dub them Martyrs and Warriors of 'The Most Glorious Jihad'.

Trust me, there is no similarity here to make it even close to irony.

I am not saying US is the only one that ever did this, I just gave an example to show that the terrorists are not the only ones who ever did this and this tactic as you said yourself is not new.

But now that you're getting to it, oh the whole situation with US funding the terrorists during the Soviet war in Afghanistan is filled with irony, its not like all the resources that you gave them have evaporated, its not like they never used those resources against you. Alright, another example, during the 90s it was a common practice by westerners to call the terrorists in Chechnya "freedom fighters" now suddenly everyone knows what they are after bombings in Moscow and most recently Beslan. That example is perhaps more to the point then the others. If the terrorists can benefit from changing their point of view on someone like Saddam it is most likely that they will do that.
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 05:23
Kreynoria;12152541']I'm confused as to how active and passive sonar work and which one is better for different situations. Can someone help clarify?

Active SONAR works by sending out sound waves. They bounce off the object and return back to the SONAR array. Depending on its strength, the array can determine range. Now, with active SONAR you make a lot of noise and advertise your presence so it isn't a good thing to use. In addition, an active ping in itself can be absorbed by the object if it has rubberizing and stuff like that, such as the US submarines, meaning that even if you actively ping them, if you are too far away you won't detect it, even though you're well within ping range. Passive SONAR just listens to the noises in the water. The thing with passive is that it doesn't give you an exact position by itself. You often have to triangulate between different arrays. Using a towed array you might detect a target but it can come from either of two directions so you'll see a submarine turn its position, let the array come around, and then get another fix on the target. They'll do that a few times.

Which brings us to my point, nations (or terrorist organizations) change their points of view when necessary, yesterday's allies can become today's enemies if that benefits one's interests. Same with Saddam, it doesn't matter how the extremists viewed him in the past, now they will make him a martyr because that is in their interests.

Indeed they do but I doubt Osama and Zahwahiri are going to be singing Saddam's praises anytime too soon. Granted their following will listen to whatever they say, no matter how ridiculous (as evidenced in their organization itself), there will be questions raised when Saddam becomes their hero.
Saint Lazare
31-12-2006, 05:44
If Saddam is a martyr, then I'm God...

Quite seriously, no one in the Middle East likes Saddam. Iran hates him [he gassed their people in the war], Saudi Arabia hates him [after trying to become tyrant of the Middle East], even Israel hates him [maybe that should be "especially"...]. Saddam is no one's marytr; just one dead tyrant. Of course, that said, I don't know if anything will really change - Saddam was old history when he lost Iraq, so he's really in the background of all of this. Sunnis extremists would rather behead him, Shiite militias would douse him in oil and burn him to hall, Kurds would gas him, and pretty much any spite left in the world would be reserved for him. The only people who really liked Saddam are either dead or nonchalant spectators.

That said, this is not the best place to continue talking about Saddam, Middle East politics, and et cetera, because I know NS mods don't like seeing this sort of stuff in II, so let's keep this to the off-site forums for the moment or somewhere else where attention won't follow us.


And that said, I wouldn't know what it feels like to be cooked in a microwave oven because I've never been in an oven, nor do I pretend to have been cooked in an oven.
Saint Lazare
31-12-2006, 06:11
***PUBLIC DECLARATION FROM THE INDIAN COUNCIL IN DELHI***

"I, interim President of the Indian Council - Priya Dandewante - hereby declare the efforts of the armed forces of Saint Lazare, of the Viceroyalty of Delhi, and of the Realm of Cotland to be complete in the provinces of Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Andhra Pradesh, and the city of Delhi to be complete and thorough. The combined efforts of these three forces have led to a massive improvement in the living standards for millions of Indians, and this standard shall be the foundation from which we build the future of India. Our forces are continuing to monitor the situation in unmonitored areas for the last remaining survivors, to maintain this peace we have won. We must commend the efforts of General Aksay Singha for his comprehension of the efforts required to rein in the enemy forces. In part to his tactical skill, we have seen a rapid advance in our position, from a mere civilian collective set against the tyrannies of Nepalese forces to an internationally recognized government that receives the respect of every reputable state in the world, and has the respect of its people. We have a well organized force that is set to defend us from further aggression, in part of our new mutual relationship with the Grand Duchy of Saint Lazare.

"On behalf of the Indian Council, I come to declare this to the world, and affirm that India is in capable hands once again, and that we have begun a new age, with its ideals set in peace and prosperity. We have every confidence that the world will support us in our objectives and we wish all of our friends a very great new year!"

[ooc: confirmation that my IC claims in India are now done, although the intrigue is far from over... like I said...]
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 06:18
***PUBLIC DECLARATION FROM THE INDIAN COUNCIL IN DELHI***

"I, interim President of the Indian Council - Priya Dandewante - hereby declare the efforts of the armed forces of Saint Lazare, of the Viceroyalty of Delhi, and of the Realm of Cotland to be complete in the provinces of Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Andhra Pradesh, and the city of Delhi to be complete and thorough. The combined efforts of these three forces have led to a massive improvement in the living standards for millions of Indians, and this standard shall be the foundation from which we build the future of India. Our forces are continuing to monitor the situation in unmonitored areas for the last remaining survivors, to maintain this peace we have won. We must commend the efforts of General Aksay Singha for his comprehension of the efforts required to rein in the enemy forces. In part to his tactical skill, we have seen a rapid advance in our position, from a mere civilian collective set against the tyrannies of Nepalese forces to an internationally recognized government that receives the respect of every reputable state in the world, and has the respect of its people. We have a well organized force that is set to defend us from further aggression, in part of our new mutual relationship with the Grand Duchy of Saint Lazare.

"On behalf of the Indian Council, I come to declare this to the world, and affirm that India is in capable hands once again, and that we have begun a new age, with its ideals set in peace and prosperity. We have every confidence that the world will support us in our objectives and we wish all of our friends a very great new year!"

[ooc: confirmation that my IC claims in India are now done, although the intrigue is far from over... like I said...]


The Empire congradulates the Grand Duchy on their accomplishment and wishes to convey its assistance to the Grand Duchy, whenever or if it is ever needed.
Pushka
31-12-2006, 13:48
Saint Lazare what do you officially call your nation?
Cotland
31-12-2006, 14:52
***PUBLIC DECLARATION FROM THE INDIAN COUNCIL IN DELHI***

"I, interim President of the Indian Council - Priya Dandewante - hereby declare the efforts of the armed forces of Saint Lazare, of the Viceroyalty of Delhi, and of the Realm of Cotland to be complete in the provinces of Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Andhra Pradesh, and the city of Delhi to be complete and thorough. The combined efforts of these three forces have led to a massive improvement in the living standards for millions of Indians, and this standard shall be the foundation from which we build the future of India. Our forces are continuing to monitor the situation in unmonitored areas for the last remaining survivors, to maintain this peace we have won. We must commend the efforts of General Aksay Singha for his comprehension of the efforts required to rein in the enemy forces. In part to his tactical skill, we have seen a rapid advance in our position, from a mere civilian collective set against the tyrannies of Nepalese forces to an internationally recognized government that receives the respect of every reputable state in the world, and has the respect of its people. We have a well organized force that is set to defend us from further aggression, in part of our new mutual relationship with the Grand Duchy of Saint Lazare.

"On behalf of the Indian Council, I come to declare this to the world, and affirm that India is in capable hands once again, and that we have begun a new age, with its ideals set in peace and prosperity. We have every confidence that the world will support us in our objectives and we wish all of our friends a very great new year!"

[ooc: confirmation that my IC claims in India are now done, although the intrigue is far from over... like I said...]

Official Statement

The Realm wishes to congratulate the Indian Council and the Grand Duchy of Saint Lazare with the victory in India, and announce its pleasure that the Royal Marines could be of assistance. Our forces will remain in the area of operations for as long as they are required to by the Indian Council. Upon the end of their tour of duty in the Indian area of operations, we humbly request they be granted free transit to the Keralan Province.

[signed]
The Realm of Cotland

Secret IC
We also wish to inquire as to the efficiency of our Royal Marines and our covert special operations personnel in this campaign. For reasons I'm sure you can understand, we wish to keep the knowledge of Cottish SOF presence secret until such a time when this information can be disclosed safely. As far as the world is concerned, only Royal Marines were deployed to this operation.

[signed]
The Realm of Cotland
Pushka
31-12-2006, 15:11
---Message to the Grand Duchy of Saint Lazare---

We congratulate you with your recent victory in India and would like to offer you an embassy exchange in order to better our relations and perhaps in the future take steps to increase our mutual prosperity.

Alexandr Berkut,
Minister of Foreign Affairs,
Russian Federation
Pushka
31-12-2006, 15:12
Cot, should we just count our embassy exchange over with? As in they are built and functioning and all such.
Cotland
31-12-2006, 15:13
Cot, should we just count our embassy exchange over with? As in they are built and functioning and all such.

Eh, sure... Have your nation become a democracy yet? If so, sure. If not, then I dunno...
Pushka
31-12-2006, 15:16
Yeah it has, I announced it on the last page, democracy once again. I think I had more changes of government on EII when any other nation. I went from communism to democracy after almost going to monarchy, when back to communism when to a dictatorship and now back to the democracy. Bah...I'm complex.
Marimaia
31-12-2006, 15:41
If the Grand Duchy ever needs assistance with stabilisation in India for whatever reason, your Eastasian neighbours will happily park a few thousand troops in your Indian cities to provide safety and security.

Lay, I'll be posting in Operation Open-Eyes at some point today, and then it will be officially done.

Oh, and the national anthem of the UER is no longer "Let Morning Shine" (aka the DPRK national anthem which sounds remarkably similar to the Hymn of the Soviet Union). It is now "Eastasia Shining" by Ruiyu Xian, Premier Zhao's partner. Communism is supposed to be 'for the people', and the song is one of the most popular in the UER. Official guests will be treated to the full five minutes and twenty-three seconds, a condensed version will be completed for when Eastasian dignitaries visit other nations, although the full version will be mandatory if Premier Zhao is present, no matter the circumstances.

(The RL song is called Shining Collection by Iceman, and can be heard here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jhS2d11V3g )
[NS]Kreynoria
31-12-2006, 18:05
Pushka: I think TLS might have taken the cake.

Saint Lazare: Have we exchanged embassies yet?
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 19:32
Legend

Red: General announcements (21-day, decree 12, etc.)
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Green: Service announcements (to all, RPs, etc.)




Varolsa: I've added all claims to the respective people. It's been quite a while so they default to the claimers.





OK [Post 17177]: Thread added.
Pyschotika [Post 17203]: Thread added.
Nerotika [Post 17214]: Thread added.
Koryan [Post 17224]: Population adjusted.
Pyschotika [Post 17286]: Thread added.
Nero [Post 17301]: Name changed.
Terronian [Post 17456]: Thread added.
Pushka/Cotland [Post 17480]: Land switched.
Pushka [Post 17481]: Thread added.
Soviet Trasa [Post 17485]: Thread added.
Marimaia [Post 17602]: Noted.






Doomingsland: Please post your "RP'd Population" in this thread. This is not what your NS population is but what you claim to have when you RP.
Omnkey: Please post your "RP'd Population" in this thread. This is not what your NS population is but what you claim to have when you RP. In addition, what the name of your country will be, unless you want to keep it the same as your current name.




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Layarteb
31-12-2006, 20:03
ATTENTION
ROMEW, KORYAN, DEATHBAT REPUBLIC

Tri-State Meeting [Attn: RomeW, Koryan, Deathbat Republic] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512883)
Koryan
31-12-2006, 20:51
Communiqué to the Grand Duchy of Saint Lazare

The Grand Duchy is congratulated on its victory over the rogue state and the Koryan Government declares it a step towards a better India. The Indian Council is assured that should they ever need assistance, Koryan will be willing and able to provide it.

Indian Consul,
Admiral Qusay

Response to the Grand Duchy of Saint Lazare

The Arabian Consul of Koryan shall attend the meeting and would love to visit the Fortress of Comhghall and perhaps tour the magnificent city after the meeting. We look forward to the meeting.

Arabian Council,
General Shakti
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 22:59
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!!

IN IC NEWS! You can imagine the party that the Empire is throwing tonight!
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 22:59
The Arabian Consul of Koryan shall attend the meeting and would love to visit the Fortress of Comhghall and perhaps tour the magnificent city after the meeting. We look forward to the meeting.

Arabian Council,
General Shakti

Awesome. We'll conduct the business in the thread.
Cotland
31-12-2006, 23:07
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!!

IN IC NEWS! You can imagine the party that the Empire is throwing tonight!

Ditto. It's a HAPPY NEW YEAR in 53 minutes and counting.... :fluffle:
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 23:11
Well in 6 hours I'll prob. be very shitfaced.
Pushka
31-12-2006, 23:15
If the Grand Duchy ever needs assistance with stabilisation in India for whatever reason, your Eastasian neighbours will happily park a few thousand troops in your Indian cities to provide safety and security.

Lay, I'll be posting in Operation Open-Eyes at some point today, and then it will be officially done.

Oh, and the national anthem of the UER is no longer "Let Morning Shine" (aka the DPRK national anthem which sounds remarkably similar to the Hymn of the Soviet Union). It is now "Eastasia Shining" by Ruiyu Xian, Premier Zhao's partner. Communism is supposed to be 'for the people', and the song is one of the most popular in the UER. Official guests will be treated to the full five minutes and twenty-three seconds, a condensed version will be completed for when Eastasian dignitaries visit other nations, although the full version will be mandatory if Premier Zhao is present, no matter the circumstances.

(The RL song is called Shining Collection by Iceman, and can be heard here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jhS2d11V3g )

--Message to United Eastasian Republics government--

Now that the threat of war with TOA has passed and our economy is returning to its peace time condition we would like to broaden our relations with the UER by offering a trade agreement, if you accept we would like to send a representative to discuss the details.

Alexandr Berkut
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Russian Federation
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 23:20
--Message to United Eastasian Republics government--

Now that the threat of war with TOA has passed and our economy is returning to its peace time condition we would like to broaden our relations with the UER by offering a trade agreement, if you accept we would like to send a representative to discuss the details.

Alexandr Berkut
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Russian Federation

We were threatening war? When did that happen? I distinctly remember you threatening to attack Cotland if he didn't give you those territories you extorted out of him.
Pushka
31-12-2006, 23:26
The threat of war is gone though. If those territories were not traded in peacefully there would be war since I simply had no other choice. Thus now that I possess those territories the threat of war with TOA is gone for me.
Pushka
31-12-2006, 23:28
Also I think that I have a right to say whatever I want in my IC messages to other countries.
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 23:30
Just as I have the right to comment as I please. By the way, I still think you're full of bologna and you are eventually going to go to war with the OA, regardless of what Cotland gave up.
Pushka
31-12-2006, 23:32
You are entitled to think whatever you want. I really couldn't care less. Also the land exchange with Cotland is much more profitable for Cotland, I gave him roughly twice the amount of land he gave me.
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 23:37
"Profit isn't always in the quantative realm."

New quote. I like it.
Pushka
31-12-2006, 23:40
Yeah, catchy, hip, I bet you all the cool kids will pick it up. Doesn't really apply here though. He got more land for less land, he got an undeniable passage from the arctic to the pacific ocean (through Yakutia to the Magadan) and not one of his soldiers is dead. I'm not saying I mind the terms of the deal, they might not be too fair but not to the extreme, I can deal with that. I am just saying how it is.
Layarteb
31-12-2006, 23:41
We'll see. Enjoy your New Year's. Still in NC?
Pushka
01-01-2007, 00:00
Yeap Im still in NC, I will enjoy my new years a bit later, my fridge is stacked with vodka, beer and champaign some people are coming over so I should be enjoying it rather nicely.
Layarteb
01-01-2007, 00:10
Beer, champagne, not having to drive tonight. Now that's my idea of a party.
Cotland
01-01-2007, 02:01
Well in 6 hours I'll prob. be very shitfaced.
I am already drunk (to some extent), two hours into 2007.
You are entitled to think whatever you want. I really couldn't care less. Also the land exchange with Cotland is much more profitable for Cotland, I gave him roughly twice the amount of land he gave me.
Yeah. I got three million square kilometers and several goldmines in exchange for a shitload of frozen tundra. I'm fucking rich!
"Profit isn't always in the quantative realm."

New quote. I like it.
Catchy.
Yeah, catchy, hip, I bet you all the cool kids will pick it up. Doesn't really apply here though. He got more land for less land, he got an undeniable passage from the arctic to the pacific ocean (through Yakutia to the Magadan) and not one of his soldiers is dead. I'm not saying I mind the terms of the deal, they might not be too fair but not to the extreme, I can deal with that. I am just saying how it is.
Yeah, I claim the right to passage between Bjornoya/Murmansk and Yakutia (in my or in international waters).
Beer, champagne, not having to drive tonight. Now that's my idea of a party.
Scotch, akvavit, good food, fireworks, champagne. That's a good substitute for beer IMO.







I wish for everyone in Earth II, and in NationStates in general, a very Happy New Year and very good 2007. May you all have a good year, and may we have many good RPs.
Pushka
01-01-2007, 08:34
I finished off my gallon of vodka, chased it with I don't know how much beer and I'm feeling pretty good...anyways, yeah happy new year everyone. Those in US hope no one disturbs you during the national hang over day. I have my wood ax ready for any bastards who would try to disturb mine....
Terronian
01-01-2007, 12:43
Player: Terronian
Group Name: Opulent Group Private Military Corporation
Group Type: Massive personal security, defense, invasion and mercenary private military company.
Home Base: Kreynoria and Romanian Australia
Affected Nations: World (Hired Company)
Affiliation: None
Knowledgability: Widely Global
Description: Click Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511940&highlight=opulent)
Major Events: None Yet
Saint Lazare
01-01-2007, 20:44
The Grand Duchy would like to thank the following for their congratulations and their support for our operations in India [in order as I found them, with an almost shocked surprise...]:

The Empire of Layarteb
The Realm of Cotland [SIC reply to follow at the end]
The Russian Federation [IC reply to follow at the end]
The United Eastasian Republics
The Arabian and Indian Council of Koryan [OOC reply to follow at the end]

The Grand Duchy appreciates the support from its allies and its friends around the world, and with these steps in India, we hope to usher a new age to the peoples of India.


========

SIC:

The efficiency of the Cottish Royal Marines is a marvel and assuredly contributed to the swift pacification of the coastal regions of Orissa and Andhra Pradesh. Their presence was welcome with the Grand Duke's Forces and the Indian forces in the areas in which they arrived. Your SpecOps Forces were likewise swift and effective in controlling radical elements from Safehaven and Varsola remnants. We heard very little about their operations, but the little that was heard was clearly positive and otherwise satisfying. To assure your government of its involvement, the Royal Marines were unaccompanied by any other forces of the Realm, and their efficiency was marked to near perfection. Their missions was accomplished, and our gratitude is without bounds. If it should please you, we would like to request a continuation of their operations to ensure that the areas are kept quiet. We have concerns in the area that might require an immediate response.

Most reverently,

Priya Dandewante - President of the Indian Council; on behalf of his Majesty, the Grand Duke Albert Roumillet of Saint Lazare and Delhi.


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IC reply:

To the Russian Federation,

We welcome your invitations to exchange diplomatic relations with your country. We hope that any troubles that are currently besetting your country will soon dissipate and our two countries can engage in peaceful dialogue and otherwise prosperous relations in trade and diplomacy. As part of our usual routine, we invite you to select a site for your embassy on our Isle Internationale [choose any number that is not currently occupied {1,2,3,5,6,31,32,33}: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498148 ].

Prime Minister Jacques Lillois


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OOC reply to Koryan:

I think we already had something like that already happening:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507487


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IC Reply to Kreynoria:

As far as our records do show, we do not have a formal embassy exchange with Kreynoria. We are hoping that we can correct this mistake, as our two states are now neighbors in India and in the global forum. We hope that you will take into consideration this proposal, as we already have establish formal relations with each other.

Prime Minister Jacques Lillois
Layarteb
02-01-2007, 00:01
The Empire is more than pleased to assist the Grand Duchy in establishing itself throughout the world.
Pantheaa
02-01-2007, 04:45
The Kingdom of Pantheaa is proud to annouce that they have finally modernized their army . The pic below is the new combat uniform (the lion is the royal seal) of the Kungsarme as well as their new service rifle the Scar 11 AR..the next generation of combat service rifle

Scar 11 AR


" the SCAR 11 has become the standard issue Assault Rifle due to its robust firepower and ability to perform in cold weather conditions. The SCAR 11 maintains a high rate of fire even in arctic climates, using an integrated heat distributor to prevent apparatus freezing. Electronically-fired, each tungsten-core round boasts an impact velocity of over 800 m/s, penetrating even the latest body armor technologies."

The Front site of the weapon displays the meters to the target with a laser designater. The front site viewer can also be toggled to night vision. This makes it easier to fire the weapon without the cumbersome Night Vision Goggles getting in the way of the shooters comfort. The magazine can hold about 30 5.56 mm NATO rounds in each magazine. It weighs about 10 lbs and a rate of fire of 750-1000 round/min.

The rifle in the pic has a grenade launcher attachment as well

http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/50/others/screenshot_12.jpg
Layarteb
02-01-2007, 04:57
First off what game? Second off, tooooooooooo heavy.
Pantheaa
02-01-2007, 05:26
Yeah but honestly it doesn't look like it's lighter then 10...its from Battlefied 2142...which i as of today i hold the rank of Gold Lance Corporal and i also got my first gold star today
Doomingsland
02-01-2007, 05:45
Ugh...WHY MUST YOU USE ELECTRONICALLY FIRED!?!?! WHY?!?!?!

*rips eyeballs out*
Pantheaa
02-01-2007, 06:11
Ugh...WHY MUST YOU USE ELECTRONICALLY FIRED!?!?! WHY?!?!?!

*rips eyeballs out*

Cause its badass.
Saint Lazare
02-01-2007, 06:24
Ugh...WHY MUST YOU USE ELECTRONICALLY FIRED!?!?! WHY?!?!?!

*rips eyeballs out*

apparently, he wanted you to rip out eyeballs, and he succeeded in that venture... :cool:
Pushka
02-01-2007, 08:16
Yo Pantheaa, how do Russian or Pan-Asian forces look in that game? I looked on the official website and could never find a picture.
Hirgizstan
02-01-2007, 13:50
The first ever encounter with a Jinn in E2:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12155408&postcount=19
Pushka
02-01-2007, 14:18
A what? Does this mean I can start putting those battle dragons I've been working on into my military?
Khorvania
02-01-2007, 16:23
Lol what's that guy on, and where can I find it?
Hirgizstan
02-01-2007, 17:19
Never heard of a Jinn? Its the Muslim word for 'genie' and where the commone English word 'ghoul' originates from. Look it up on google. Its supposed to be a form of life created from smokeless fire, that lives in another dimension to humans. They are mentioned in the Koran in a number of places. They're not supposed to be real, and I did the RP so that you don't (and Abdul doesn't) know whether it was real or simply a dream. Nobody knows whether Jinn really exist, but they are said to possess people, and can help them or hurt them, depening on the Jinn, some are Muslim you see, converted by Muhammed himself. There are supposedly many cases of Jinn possession and sightings in Somalia and other parts of West Africa...but they do eat a lot of khat out there...


(A Jinn is not some sort of uber-secret COH Military creation, its just like a ghost or something, in case people were wondering- it is supposed to add interest to the RP.)
Hirgizstan
02-01-2007, 20:09
SEE THE AH-53 SERPENT GUNSHIP. NEW FOR 2007! GET YOURS NOW!

http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=523
Pushka
02-01-2007, 20:54
Never heard of a Jinn? Its the Muslim word for 'genie' and where the commone English word 'ghoul' originates from. Look it up on google. Its supposed to be a form of life created from smokeless fire, that lives in another dimension to humans. They are mentioned in the Koran in a number of places. They're not supposed to be real, and I did the RP so that you don't (and Abdul doesn't) know whether it was real or simply a dream. Nobody knows whether Jinn really exist, but they are said to possess people, and can help them or hurt them, depening on the Jinn, some are Muslim you see, converted by Muhammed himself. There are supposedly many cases of Jinn possession and sightings in Somalia and other parts of West Africa...but they do eat a lot of khat out there...


(A Jinn is not some sort of uber-secret COH Military creation, its just like a ghost or something, in case people were wondering- it is supposed to add interest to the RP.)

I know what a Jin is, the pronunciation of the word is exact with the Russian word for genie. I was just surprised that you'd use a mythical creature in a RL RP world like EII, but anyways, its all good.
Marimaia
02-01-2007, 21:51
Sorry for the late reply Pushka, the UER would be pleased to sign further agreements with our beloved Russian friends.
Spizania
02-01-2007, 22:18
Firstly,
10 pounds, or more correctly, 4.54kg, is MEGA MEGA HEAVY, ive handled an L98, which is lighter than its cousin the L85, which weighs about that much, the thing is really really heavy, and thats with only 5 rounds in a magazine. Id hate to have to carry that thing around all day.
and,
The 7mm SAR > 5.56mm NATO
Pyschotika
03-01-2007, 00:10
I'll do ya one better, Panth!

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7647/wassaultkrylovph9.gif

and

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9924/wassaultvossuj9.gif

And note to those who played BF2 and were disapointed -

Omg..

Omg..

EA made a game that doesn't suck.
Cotland
03-01-2007, 00:15
Firstly,
10 pounds, or more correctly, 4.54kg, is MEGA MEGA HEAVY, ive handled an L98, which is lighter than its cousin the L85, which weighs about that much, the thing is really really heavy, and thats with only 5 rounds in a magazine. Id hate to have to carry that thing around all day.
and,
The 7mm SAR > 5.56mm NATO
Yeah, I'm gonna agree with you on that one Spiz. I handled an AG3 once, which is the Norwegian version of the G3A3. It's between four and a half and five kilos loaded (depends on ammo type and weapons modifications) with a twenty-round 7.62mm NATO mag, and it is a beast to fire and to hold on to, let alone walk or even run around with. A few of my buddies that are in the Norwegian military right now says that it's a bitch to run around and shoot with, and they do quite a bit of that in the Norwegian Army's mechanized infantry battalion and in the Border Guards. Let's not even start the debate with the logistical problems you're gonna have with the electrical system on the rifle and what-not. But hey, if you want to have an army of exhausted people running around with those weapons which will be extremely dependant on constant cleaning and logistical support, go right ahead.
[NS]Kreynoria
03-01-2007, 00:34
Lol I'd love to see what EMP does to your fancy electric guns.
Koryan
03-01-2007, 00:52
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OOC reply to Koryan:

I think we already had something like that already happening:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507487


========

Oh sorry, I thought the conference was over. I’ll post on it tomorrow (kinda busy today).
Cotland
03-01-2007, 01:12
Kreynoria;12164967']Lol I'd love to see what EMP does to your fancy electric guns.

Indeed. One EMP bomb and your army is defenseless. :)
Layarteb
03-01-2007, 01:59
Yeah electronically fired would be real fun with an EMP strike but worse is if it shorts out it electrocutes the person holding it. So EMP his army and his soldiers die from electrocution.
Pushka
03-01-2007, 02:02
About the 4.5 kg weight, you got to remember that in the army you get used to having to deal with lifting heavy weights. Now 4.5 kg is really not that much if you have it on a shoulder strap most of the day, sure it will take some getting used to but you will get used to it. Now its all about how he trains his soldiers, training them to be able to carry a 4.5 kg rifle is completely doable, but even without training they will get used to it eventually. Now that being said about the weight being plausible, I really don't see why the weight should be so high, the functionality of this rifle is nothing new and it is simply not necessary, plausible but not necessary.
Soviet Trasa
03-01-2007, 02:05
Life sucks, then you die via Electrocution.
Layarteb
03-01-2007, 02:09
The XM8 target weight is around 5 pounds. The M16 is 8.5 pounds loaded, the M4 is 5.56 empty and the new SCAR is 6.9 unloading for the L and 7.2 for the H. The AK-47 is 9.5 empty. You might want to be lighter than those.
Pushka
03-01-2007, 02:16
XM8 weighs 2.659 kg thats 5.86 pounds empty in basic configuration.
Cotland
03-01-2007, 02:27
XM8 weighs 2.659 kg thats 5.86 pounds empty in basic configuration.

Yeah, but aren't they working to get that down to around 2 - 2.5?
Soviet Bloc
03-01-2007, 02:32
*isn't particularly worried about electrically-fired assault rifles and uses a variation of it himself, get's the best of both worlds* Hehe...
Pushka
03-01-2007, 02:52
Yeah I am thinking of designing a new rifle gonna go with a balanced automatic gas driven engine and recoil supression, not gonna do all the fancy stuff.
Cotland
03-01-2007, 03:13
Official Statement from the Justice Ministry

The Realm hereby wishes to announce that the Storting, in accordance with the Cabinet and the Supreme Court has presented an ammendment for article 14 c in the Criminal Code, allowing for a new method of execution to be legally permitted within the Cottish judicial system, to the King for approval. This new method of execution, which will be used soly towards traitors of the Realm and assassins of any member of the Royal House, or people who attempt such crimes, is none other than Execution by Field Gun.

The execution method is inspired by the crushing of the 1857 Sepoy Uprising in India, when the British colonial powers after having crushed the rebellion executed the rebels by strapping them in front of artillery pieces and firing, thus effectively killing the victim. The Realm will employ a similar method, namely through the use of the old M8A3 Pack Howitzers the Army still has in storage, which will be carried out approximately as follows:

The victim will be restrained in front of the artillery piece, with the mouth of the barrel at chest height, ensuring instant death to the victim. When the person is to be executed, the executioner will fire the cannon and thus send a unarmed 75mm projectile through the chest of the person, killing him instantly thanks to kinetic energy. The M8A3 has a muzzle velocity of 380 meters per second, which provides more than sufficient kinetic energy to quickly and effectively kill the victim. This is a very uncomfortable death, fitting for a would-be Royal assassin or traitor.

The method of execution is still being considered by the King, but should His Majesty decide to ratify the Stortings ammendment, it will take effect immediately, joining the firing squad and hanging as the third option the Cottish courts have for executions. Further updates will follow.


OOC: Yep, that's right. Execution by field gun. I thought of doing a 155mm gun first, but found out that 75mm would be a better starting place. If it doesn't work, I can always upgrade.... ;)
Pyschotika
03-01-2007, 04:33
Eh...

Seppuku ftw...

It's both cheap and effective.
Layarteb
03-01-2007, 04:37
XM8 weighs 2.659 kg thats 5.86 pounds empty in basic configuration.

Yeah the target weight is 5 pounds but since it has been cancelled, we'll never see it get down that light. They were having trouble doing it anyway but loaded it was one of the lighest guns out there. The SCAR, which was produced and developed in a fraction of the time is cheaper and definitely more effective than the XM8 since it is ready NOW. The SCAR-L uses the 5.56 NATO projectile while the SCAR-H uses the 7.62 NATO projectile and can fit 7.62 x 39 rounds as well...
Pyschotika
03-01-2007, 04:51
Eh...I've been itching to say this...

Cotland, we may as well call your method...

'Disembowlement by big fucking projecticle.'
Cotland
03-01-2007, 13:37
Eh...I've been itching to say this...

Cotland, we may as well call your method...

'Disembowlement by big fucking projecticle.'

Hehe. I like it. A tad un-legaleese, but what the fuck. Just remember that I'm planning to copyright the use of the method in E2... ;)
Hawdawg
03-01-2007, 16:17
Layarteb:

I need to go on vacation status until next week. I have a long honey do list that I need to take care of and my computer time is very limited this week.


-Hawdawg
Hirgizstan
03-01-2007, 16:34
Official Statement from the Justice Ministry

The Realm hereby wishes to announce that the Storting, in accordance with the Cabinet and the Supreme Court has presented an ammendment for article 14 c in the Criminal Code, allowing for a new method of execution to be legally permitted within the Cottish judicial system, to the King for approval. This new method of execution, which will be used soly towards traitors of the Realm and assassins of any member of the Royal House, or people who attempt such crimes, is none other than Execution by Field Gun.

The execution method is inspired by the crushing of the 1857 Sepoy Uprising in India, when the British colonial powers after having crushed the rebellion executed the rebels by strapping them in front of artillery pieces and firing, thus effectively killing the victim. The Realm will employ a similar method, namely through the use of the old M8A3 Pack Howitzers the Army still has in storage, which will be carried out approximately as follows:

The victim will be restrained in front of the artillery piece, with the mouth of the barrel at chest height, ensuring instant death to the victim. When the person is to be executed, the executioner will fire the cannon and thus send a unarmed 75mm projectile through the chest of the person, killing him instantly thanks to kinetic energy. The M8A3 has a muzzle velocity of 380 meters per second, which provides more than sufficient kinetic energy to quickly and effectively kill the victim. This is a very uncomfortable death, fitting for a would-be Royal assassin or traitor.

The method of execution is still being considered by the King, but should His Majesty decide to ratify the Stortings ammendment, it will take effect immediately, joining the firing squad and hanging as the third option the Cottish courts have for executions. Further updates will follow.


OOC: Yep, that's right. Execution by field gun. I thought of doing a 155mm gun first, but found out that 75mm would be a better starting place. If it doesn't work, I can always upgrade.... ;)


I read a description of an execution like this during the Uprising (or Indian Mutiny as its known in the UK), and I believe they were done with field mortars as well as field guns. But since field mortars aren't used anymore...its all academic. But a nice method, one I was thinking of myself a while back when I first read about the Mutiny.
[NS]Kreynoria
03-01-2007, 18:00
I'll be announcing my microwave executions soon, just as soon as I remember the name of my Minister of Security.
Pantheaa
03-01-2007, 18:13
I'll do ya one better, Panth!

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7647/wassaultkrylovph9.gif

and

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9924/wassaultvossuj9.gif

And note to those who played BF2 and were disapointed -

Omg..

Omg..

EA made a game that doesn't suck.

They do have EMP grenades in BF2142..they suck and hardly do anything though. Their kind of like the 2142 version of the flashbang

Yeah the second gun is an unlock which i have yet to unlock

But for anyone who wants to look me up on the player stats pages...here are my names

For BF2----Somahigh

for BF 2142----DraconisX4

PAC is actually my fav faction to play..the Russians are hardcore in that game. In terms of the rilfes the Scar is better at SA..but the Krylov is better at burst (which is why i like the Russian rifle better)
Nerotika
03-01-2007, 18:36
The Kingdom of Pantheaa is proud to annouce that they have finally modernized their army . The pic below is the new combat uniform (the lion is the royal seal) of the Kungsarme as well as their new service rifle the Scar 11 AR..the next generation of combat service rifle

Scar 11 AR


" the SCAR 11 has become the standard issue Assault Rifle due to its robust firepower and ability to perform in cold weather conditions. The SCAR 11 maintains a high rate of fire even in arctic climates, using an integrated heat distributor to prevent apparatus freezing. Electronically-fired, each tungsten-core round boasts an impact velocity of over 800 m/s, penetrating even the latest body armor technologies."

The Front site of the weapon displays the meters to the target with a laser designater. The front site viewer can also be toggled to night vision. This makes it easier to fire the weapon without the cumbersome Night Vision Goggles getting in the way of the shooters comfort. The magazine can hold about 30 5.56 mm NATO rounds in each magazine. It weighs about 10 lbs and a rate of fire of 750-1000 round/min.

The rifle in the pic has a grenade launcher attachment as well

http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/50/others/screenshot_12.jpg

I issue competition against you, so here are the U.S.R.'s new uniform (The PAC from BF2142)

http://www.playfuls.com/images/screenshots/pc/Battlefield_2142/0033.jpg

The units with full helmets are our marines, army regulars use the suit with less armor as well as a regular kevlar helmet.

As for weapons, everything stays the same. We dont have the ability to pay for a full military update, we are going to be recovering from this as well as the weapons update stated earlier.
Nerotika
03-01-2007, 18:40
http://www.playfuls.com/picview_32_game_1271_Battlefield_2142.html

I couldn't find a way to implace this pic but here is a good pic of regular infantry soldiers.
Cotland
03-01-2007, 19:24
They do have EMP grenades in BF2142..they suck and hardly do anything though. Their kind of like the 2142 version of the flashbang

Maybe, but that's a game. In RL, unless you have expensive and extensive EMP protection for each and every rifle you've got, one EMP bomb and bye-bye weaponry.


And could you guys please stop setting in pics that are 1600x1200 pixles? It's breaking the page up to the extreme (I have 1200x800 pixel resolution)! If you could either link or replace the pics with smaller pics, that'd be great. Thanks.
Nerotika
03-01-2007, 19:37
Maybe, but that's a game. In RL, unless you have expensive and extensive EMP protection for each and every rifle you've got, one EMP bomb and bye-bye weaponry.


And could you guys please stop setting in pics that are 1600x1200 pixles? It's breaking the page up to the extreme (I have 1200x800 pixel resolution)! If you could either link or replace the pics with smaller pics, that'd be great. Thanks.

well, I appologize but the picture was smaller when I placed it and it came up like that on here. A little weird for my taste.
Pushka
03-01-2007, 19:46
Well since we're sharing pictures here is what a Russian infantry man looks like. Found this on deviant art.

http://ic1.deviantart.com/images/i/2002/47/2/7/Red_Wolf.jpg
Pushka
03-01-2007, 19:49
An EMP bomb will do extensive damage to any military, for more MT type militaries it will destroy the radios thus damaging the intelligence network, thus basically making an army not an army but a bunch of units who can't correlate their actions over long distances.
Hirgizstan
03-01-2007, 20:06
Regular COH Infantry Soldier:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/44/Army.mil-2006-10-04-091542.jpg/269px-Army.mil-

He is wearing the standard Woodland DIGIPAT uniform. However, this is an older picture and does not show the SCAR rifle or IHM (Improved Helmet) which has a jet black visor attached to the helmet itself.

IHM:

http://www.cryeassociates.com/images/helmet_02.jpg

http://www.cryeassociates.com/images/09.jpg
United States of Brink
03-01-2007, 20:47
On the Subject the United States of Brink wishes to once again‘re-vamp’ its military. In order to do this we wish to acquire foreign contracts to supply us with our military needs.

As of now we have to competitors:
Soviet Bloc
Tyrandis

We also would like to add Hirgizstan and Layarteb to that list if possible.

On a second note we are creating an indigenous battle system for our soldiers. Here is the first prototype:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/FoxWally/Armor.jpg

Finally I will be posting more asap.
Soviet Trasa
03-01-2007, 21:27
Trensk Regular Army

http://www.junkbrosnews.com/bf2/images/soldier_2-blk.jpg

TSF (Trenskian Special Forces)

http://www.*****************/game/Counter-Strike/images/sas_image.gif
Hirgizstan
03-01-2007, 21:43
USB, go ahead and add me to the list, send me a TG with requirements for me to submit a proposal or post the requirements here, whatever you want.


ANNOUNCEMENT:

AFTER THE CONCLUSION OF THE 'MILITARY TAKEOVER' THREAD AND THE SUCCESS OF OPERATION DESERT STORM, THE TERRITORY OF THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES IS TO BE DIVIDED AS FOLLOWS:


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c88/Karl187/UAESPLIT.jpg

Hawdawg and Spizania have already agreed to the divide, please see the thread for confirmation. (Note: My territory will eventually be passed onto someone else, yet to be announced.)
Pushka
03-01-2007, 21:52
Тихоокеанские Амбиции

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12168721#post12168721

ATTN Spizania
[NS]Kreynoria
03-01-2007, 21:55
My friend Omnkey has sadly lost interest in RPing, and as a result, I will be completing the conquest of Maharashtra and annexing it myself.
Pushka
03-01-2007, 21:56
Lay, I'm Russian Federation now.
[NS]Kreynoria
03-01-2007, 21:59
Pushka check TGs
[NS]Kreynoria
03-01-2007, 22:03
Lol I just realized that the abbreviation of Kreynorian Imperial Army is KIA.
Pushka
03-01-2007, 22:06
Official Reply to the Grand Duchy

We would like to choose the slot number 4 for our embassy. We thank you for this opportunity and are sure that this exchange will be beneficial to both our nations. For your own embassy you may select any site not currently occupied in Voronej's international district.

Alexandr Berkut
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Russian Federation

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


Official Reply to UER

We wold like to send our representative to discuss the possible trade agreements.

Alexandr Berkut
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Russian Federation

OOC: Mari, we can do this on TGs or just say that we have trade agreements and get on with our lives.
Pushka
03-01-2007, 22:08
Kreynoria;12168769']Pushka check TGs

Replied
[NS]Kreynoria
03-01-2007, 22:15
To: The Grand Duchy of Saint Lazare
From: The Divine Empire of Kreynoria
Subject: Embassy Exchange

The Divine Empire of Kreynoria feels that, as fellow nations in India and in the world, that an exchange of embassies would be favorable for both our countries and help to promote future relations between our countries. Therefore, we have reserved an area of land in Kreynoriapolis' Embassy District for an embassy from your nation, and ask that we be allowed to establish an embassy in your nation. We request slot #14 as the location of our embassy.

[Signed]
Emperor Manuel III
Saint Lazare
03-01-2007, 22:32
[ooc: in response to the calls for embassy exchanges, I am going to say this plainly for everyone here:

The following Embassy spaces are currently occupied:

1
2
3
4
5
6
31
32
33

If The Russian Federation and Divine Empire of Kreynoria want to establish an embassy in the Grand Duchy, please choose any number between 1 and 33, that does not include any of the number aforementioned. I hope that thiss clears up the mess of information about that...]
Pushka
03-01-2007, 22:34
Yeah SL I just noticed, I edited my post, picking slot #4
Pantheaa
03-01-2007, 22:38
Maybe, but that's a game. In RL, unless you have expensive and extensive EMP protection for each and every rifle you've got, one EMP bomb and bye-bye weaponry.


And could you guys please stop setting in pics that are 1600x1200 pixles? It's breaking the page up to the extreme (I have 1200x800 pixel resolution)! If you could either link or replace the pics with smaller pics, that'd be great. Thanks.


Not my rifle..the Scar 11 only uses the electronic to power the forward site viewer. Which tells the meters of the target with a laser. Drop that retarded EMP bomb and the soldiers won't be able use their Night Vison or use anyother electronic powered sensors (the rifle uses electronic rather then batteries thus making it less bulky) The chamber of the rifle is gas powered though
United States of Brink
03-01-2007, 23:37
United States of Brink Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12169303&posted=1#post12169303)

Finally got it up...posted that is...sick-o's
[NS]Kreynoria
03-01-2007, 23:46
Actually, after further review, Omnkey is interested in RPing but hasn't had the time. So I won't be annexing Maharashtra.
Marimaia
04-01-2007, 13:15
Official Reply to UER

We wold like to send our representative to discuss the possible trade agreements.

Alexandr Berkut
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Russian Federation

OOC: Mari, we can do this on TGs or just say that we have trade agreements and get on with our lives.

OOC: Whumph, there are our trade agreements. Nice doing business with you :)

I'm currently working on an idea regarding the hardliners in the UER, the ones who want total world revolution with no compromise; Zhao gave them hope during the Grenada thing and then bowed out of it, leaving them slightly miffed. There may be slight betrayal with a heavy chance of gunfire.....
Nerotika
04-01-2007, 18:24
The U.S.R. is going to be compiling a list of international buisinesses being released out into that community. Below will be a list of Soviet buisinesses that manufacture diffrent items, all of which are government controled except for two. (These will be the first two on the list)

The International Marijuana Cultivation Industry =I.M.C.I.= [Distibuted only to countries which it is legal, will not distribute to single party people without consent of the government]

The Red Inc. [Devolopes personal guard items such as weapons, vests, armor. Also produces security personell for international use.]

World Tech. (Dont know if names been taken yet.)[Developes technology for any circumstance. Mainly developing weapons tech. for the Soviet Army such as the Marines new battle helmet info is top secret ICly.]

Investments into these industries are welcomed. Company Stocks are open in the I.M.C.I. and the Red Inc.

- More to come.
Pantheaa
04-01-2007, 21:29
hmmmmmmmm
If i invested in the IMCI i would probably also have to invest in white castle and taco bell.......... i'll do it..whats the price per share?

in fact give me the price for all companies
Pantheaa
04-01-2007, 21:41
Massive military industralization
New Forged Alliances..
Uneasy tension between states
UER..

E2 is starting to look like Europe before WW1..
Good thing that NG hasn't gone D13 yet. Then we would really see a World War take place!
Hirgizstan
04-01-2007, 21:58
I wouldn't be so sure of that, I quote the TOA Charter:


ARTICLE III: MEMBERSHIP OBLIGATIONS

Section X: No member-state shall allow another member-state to be taken over, whether through revolution, coup, or outside intervention by forces that are hostile to the member-state, this alliance, and the ruling government, unless it is the will of the ruling government.

So we're unlikely to let enemies grab up what other member states leave behind if they should ever go D13. Take the example of Bjornoya, different alliance, but same idea when he went D13.
Soviet Trasa
04-01-2007, 22:05
Heh, if a WW does start then i'm gonna have a heck of a time, i'd join the side that got to me first. ;P
Pyschotika
04-01-2007, 22:12
The IMCI I see will be a very controversial entity in the near future. Of course you will not limit single persons setting up tiny secretive industries to having no ability to purchase from you without Governmental consent. And if that weren't the case, I'm sure some nations out of interest would try to question it's legitimacy by stating that has been happening.

It wouldn't surprise me if this heats up the War on Drugs in anyway at all...

Oh yea, I'll get to posting on that fight between the Syndicate left behind in Japan and Japanese...well ranging from NSF and Toritsugi Agents.

BTW, Japanese organizations that already exist -

The Nagasaki Corporation - Organization that contains several micro-companies generally dealing in the same area. Recently has acquired a new branch in the Northeast Prefecture of the Empire, ie some of my East Russian lands. This has enabled them into the art of Naval Trade, and a few other things as well.

National Security Forces - That 'NSF' I mentioned. They are a mock SWAT in ways, but work as a dual-role of Investigations and Seizures. IE They are more than a SWAT-like force, they have elements of three American agencies notoriously known as the CIA, FBI and NSA.

Toritsugi, The - Top secret. IE - My Gestapo.

Empire Now Corporation - The Politicaly-owned Corporation that markets in mostly Advertisement such as specialized-commercials *State-stamped commercials, as I call them. These are allowed to run longer than 15-20 Seconds. In some instances, non-'S-SC's may be ran up to 22 Seconds. Why 22? Just because.*. Basically, without going into discussing the other part I'll just simply say that they are the guys that help popularize the Government's point of views, and slanderize other organizations. Of course, it is not illegal to speak out against how your nation is ruled...it is dis-respectful, which merits very little to no honour in society, but it is not punishable. However, it can still be as socially painful to get caught on the wrong side of the looking glass.

IAD - Imperial Agency on Drugs. This is my 'Federal' Beraue that focuses on things that the ATF and FBI would cover, except they are not centralized on any one area. These guys are allowed to stretch their investigations to any part of the Empire, thus the Imperial in their title. IE - All Prefectures have their own Agencies, sometimes they don't but they still have people who work on such similar matters. However, they may only work in their own area and must work with others areas through the IAD and in rare instances will work with other Prefectures regardless. No punishments if they do so, unless it seems to be a big deal with the Empire and the IAD. The IAD, however, may work in the Northeast Prefecture and the South Island Prefecture *Tasmania* at the same time over the same case. In other words, New York State Troopers can't go past the state line with Pennsylvania. Yet, the FBI can.

Will state others later, g2g.
[NS]Kreynoria
04-01-2007, 23:14
I wouldn't be so sure of that, I quote the TOA Charter:



So we're unlikely to let enemies grab up what other member states leave behind if they should ever go D13. Take the example of Bjornoya, different alliance, but same idea when he went D13.

May I point out that D13 is the vacation decree whereas you seem to be talking about D12.
Pyschotika
04-01-2007, 23:21
I wouldn't be so sure of that, I quote the TOA Charter:



So we're unlikely to let enemies grab up what other member states leave behind if they should ever go D13. Take the example of Bjornoya, different alliance, but same idea when he went D13.

Fuck the Charter?
Spizania
05-01-2007, 00:19
Pushka, actually do something i can directly respond to, like fire missiles at me or something
Pantheaa
05-01-2007, 00:21
I wouldn't be so sure of that, I quote the TOA Charter:



So we're unlikely to let enemies grab up what other member states leave behind if they should ever go D13. Take the example of Bjornoya, different alliance, but same idea when he went D13.


WTF!!! So TOA can reserve land, all of Europe is TOA's then since NG never plays? WTF!

Man TOA is a selfish alliance
Cotland
05-01-2007, 00:28
Heh, if a WW does start then i'm gonna have a heck of a time, i'd join the side that got to me first. ;P
Just remember that if you get involved on the wrong side (IE the one I'm not on), you have no way of getting out of the Baltic, since NG, Hawdawg and myself control all entrances in and out of the Baltic.
WTF!!! So TOA can reserve land, all of Europe is TOA's then since NG never plays? WTF!

Man TOA is a selfish alliance
TOA = predominantly capitalist. Figure out the rest yourself.
Soviet Trasa
05-01-2007, 00:32
WTF!!! So TOA can reserve land, all of Europe is TOA's then since NG never plays? WTF!

Man TOA is a selfish alliance

Technically that is not true, TOA has no control over Estonia (Trensk).

Therefore, there is a flaw in your logic friend. ;)
Pantheaa
05-01-2007, 00:37
Just remember that if you get involved on the wrong side (IE the one I'm not on), you have no way of getting out of the Baltic, since NG, Hawdawg and myself control all entrances in and out of the Baltic.

TOA = predominantly capitalist. Figure out the rest yourself.

Predominantly Capitalist my ass. Capitalism is about competition..TOA is about monoploy.

And whatever you say my friend..but understand that Pantheaa is the ONLY nation on E2 that has some claim to Slovakia..as it was the birth place of Pantheaa. (i was the first nation to claim that land when i first started) So we'll fight tooth and nail and ally our selves with who ever we need to to get it back.
Layarteb
05-01-2007, 00:47
United States of Brink Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12169303&posted=1#post12169303)

Finally got it up...posted that is...sick-o's

We do have an embassy..

Lay, I'm Russian Federation now.

Will adjust.

WTF!!! So TOA can reserve land, all of Europe is TOA's then since NG never plays? WTF!

Man TOA is a selfish alliance

No reserving of land by any member on E2.
Spizania
05-01-2007, 00:52
the TOA is not reserving land as such, they are just using there overwhelming combined firepower to ensure that all of NGs land would end up being controlled by TOA members
Pushka
05-01-2007, 00:54
Spiz check your TGs if you haven't yet, I am waging war on you over the Baker Island.
Pantheaa
05-01-2007, 00:58
Spiz check your TGs if you haven't yet, I am waging war on you over the Baker Island.

Anyway i can support you in that operation (logistic wise)..Spiz did after all take Yemen from me
Layarteb
05-01-2007, 01:00
the TOA is not reserving land as such, they are just using there overwhelming combined firepower to ensure that all of NGs land would end up being controlled by TOA members

Which if anyone did the math with our land areas now and what the ceiling is, would be impossible.
Pushka
05-01-2007, 01:15
Hmm, seems every time I want to go to war there is a bunch of people who want to help me out...meh, sure Pantheaa, its appreciated.
Cotland
05-01-2007, 01:30
The Realm officially claims neutrality in the upcoming conflict between the Russian Federation and the Spizanian nation.
Soviet Trasa
05-01-2007, 01:43
The Kingdom of Trensk declares that unless it is threatened in any possible way that the Kingdom shall not go to war and remain neutral like it's Cotland friends.
Nerotika
05-01-2007, 04:26
I don't see why anyone would attack Spiz...I mean, hasn't he been through enough (His own side bombed the crap out of his troops, lots of casualties)...just stating an OOC thought on the matter.

Anyway ICly the U.S.R. will stay neutral in any war that brakes out between a Russian comrade and any state. (less they decide to involve me by Militaristic actions against me)

As for the industry investment prices and such I'll get those in a sec.
Nerotika
05-01-2007, 04:36
These are all starter prices, [A guess for the future would be seeing the IMCI stock going down a bit due to neglect, drug policies are rather tight in other countries.]

The International Marijuana Cultivation Industry =I.M.C.I.= [Distibuted only to countries which it is legal, will not distribute to single party people without consent of the government] - $30/Share - 300,000,000 Available

The Red Inc. [Devolopes personal guard items such as weapons, vests, armor. Also produces security personell for international use.] - $15/Share - 100,000,000 Available

World Tech. [Development of technology for any circumstance.] - [b]$50/Share - 800,000 Available

When I get a factbook up i'll list all the corporations, these are just the biggest in the U.S.R. as of their creation within the past months of the U.S.R. revolution. (If numbers look strange to you, tell me. I dont know shit when it comes to the stock exchange so I cheated off of Bjornoyan's stock thread.)
Layarteb
05-01-2007, 04:36
Does anyone know the formula Bjornoya used for the stock market?
Nerotika
05-01-2007, 04:44
If they can figure it out, I would be willing to recreate another stock market thread.
Saint Lazare
05-01-2007, 05:59
Does anyone know the formula Bjornoya used for the stock market?

as he himself describes -

1. Take the total initial share volume [rated to an approximate amount to the appropriate share in the government's GDP budget return {commerce, defense, public transportation}
2. Establish share stock volume
3. Watch NS-econ stats to grow or shrink...

The growing or shrinking of the GDP values influences the return on the investments. Let's assume that you have a business, that contributes to 10% of your commerce budget [which is $100bil]; your commerce budget grows by 3%; the return on your investments increases by 3%. If I owned 10% of the shares [of which the shares contribute to 10% of the $100bil budget], and the NS economy showed growth of 3% - even I though I still own 10% of the shares, I now earn 3% of the earnings of whatever 10% of 10% of $100bil budget equals.

To put numbers to it all:

* Big Buck Inc. [ = 10% of $100bil commerce budget || = $10bil total market share volume]

* I own 10% of the shares of Big Buck [ 10% of 10% of $100bil budget || = $1bil]

* Commerce budget increases by 3% [ Commerce budget earns $3bil || $103bil budget]

* Big Buck Inc. increases its total market share volume by 3% [ =10% of $103bil commerce budget || $10.3bil total market share volume {adjusted}]

* I still own 10% of Big Buck Inc. [ = 10% of 10% of $103bil budget || $1.03bil]

* I earn 3% in earnings, which is $30mil


[THIS OUGHT TO CLARIFY ANY POINTS ABOUT THIS!!!]

Of course, I'm not certain if this is [I]exactly how Bjornoya did his stock market, but I'll say that it isn't how I would conduct my own stock market... nonetheless, it still carries all of the risks of stock investments.
Saint Lazare
05-01-2007, 06:03
These are all starter prices, [A guess for the future would be seeing the IMCI stock going down a bit due to neglect, drug policies are rather tight in other countries.]

The International Marijuana Cultivation Industry =I.M.C.I.= [Distibuted only to countries which it is legal, will not distribute to single party people without consent of the government] - $30/Share - 300,000,000 Available

The Red Inc. [Devolopes personal guard items such as weapons, vests, armor. Also produces security personell for international use.] - $15/Share - 100,000,000 Available

World Tech. [Development of technology for any circumstance.] - [b]$50/Share - 800,000 Available

When I get a factbook up i'll list all the corporations, these are just the biggest in the U.S.R. as of their creation within the past months of the U.S.R. revolution. (If numbers look strange to you, tell me. I dont know shit when it comes to the stock exchange so I cheated off of Bjornoyan's stock thread.)

[ooc: I don't invest in pot, so........ good luck with that one :D]
Layarteb
05-01-2007, 06:05
as he himself describes -

1. Take the total initial share volume [rated to an approximate amount to the appropriate share in the government's GDP budget return {commerce, defense, public transportation}
2. Establish share stock volume
3. Watch NS-econ stats to grow or shrink...

The growing or shrinking of the GDP values influences the return on the investments. Let's assume that you have a business, that contributes to 10% of your commerce budget [which is $100bil]; your commerce budget grows by 3%; the return on your investments increases by 3%. If I owned 10% of the shares [of which the shares contribute to 10% of the $100bil budget], and the NS economy showed growth of 3% - even I though I still own 10% of the shares, I now earn 3% of the earnings of whatever 10% of 10% of $100bil budget equals.

To put numbers to it all:

* Big Buck Inc. [ = 10% of $100bil commerce budget || = $10bil total market share volume]

* I own 10% of the shares of Big Buck [ 10% of 10% of $100bil budget || = $1bil]

* Commerce budget increases by 3% [ Commerce budget earns $3bil || $103bil budget]

* Big Buck Inc. increases its total market share volume by 3% [ =10% of $103bil commerce budget || $10.3bil total market share volume {adjusted}]

* I still own 10% of Big Buck Inc. [ = 10% of 10% of $103bil budget || $1.03bil]

* I earn 3% in earnings, which is $30mil


[THIS OUGHT TO CLARIFY ANY POINTS ABOUT THIS!!!]

Of course, I'm not certain if this is [I]exactly how Bjornoya did his stock market, but I'll say that it isn't how I would conduct my own stock market... nonetheless, it still carries all of the risks of stock investments.

HOLY FRICKIN COW!!!! WE HAVE THE STOCKMARKET BACK PEOPLE!!!!

So what effects will teh collapse of Bjorn have?

:: I will work out that when I am more awake and get a new thread up for us ::
Nerotika
05-01-2007, 18:26
[ooc: I don't invest in pot, so........ good luck with that one :D]

The IMCI would more or less be like a tobacco industry in the USR, also it ranges from producing marijuana to also producing Hemp and hemp biproducts. Paper, rope and other items. This way if your nation does not invest in marijuana, or has very strict policies there is always the hemp aspect.

[Hemp rope is about the strongest rope you can find, hemp paper is very duriable (Tidbit of info, the US constitution was written on hemp paper as well as the declaration of independence I believe)]

As for the return of the stock market, that would be great. Very benificial to my nation as most of out big buisiness that would open stocks would be controled by the government.

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http://www.toys-bar.com/bookpic/20046221525389437.jpg
The LRA-02 "Little Pheonix" (Our first attempt at making and drawing up a full funtioning vehicle, starting with this Light Recon and Attack helicopter. Something resembling an AH-6J Little Bird.)

Armament - (To come, information kept top secret untill final release)

Weight - 892 Kg Empty, LRA-02 Equiped: 1,521 Kg (Rough estimate, suggestions would be welcomed) LRA-02-M [Medical Evac Variant]: 1,361 Kg, LRA-02-P [Police Variant]: 1,403 Kg

Speed - Max: 296 Km/h-298 Km/h, Cruise: 221 Km/h-250Km/h (On all variants)

Personell - 2 Pilots/LRA-02-M: 2 pilots and 2 passangers.

Usage: Currently on the draft board for the newest USR police recon helicopter, something to patrol areas controlled by drug lords as well as patrolling other sections of the nation. The Military has already officially drafted the idea planning on putting it into production within the year.

Estimated Lifetime - 30-35 Years with easy upkeep.

Corporate Funding - World Tech.|I.M.C.I.|U.S.R. Council of Funding

(I do need help with this, this is simply a rough draft to gain interest. If anyone wants to co-produce this bird please say something, also I actually just dont know what to arm this thing with, I was thinking some rocket pods or a single high powered MG, I dont know. Suggestions and/or comments?)
Hirgizstan
05-01-2007, 20:05
FURTHER ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT UAE TERRITORY:

My part of the UAE is going to Rome.

You just need to confirm it and its done.
Soviet Trasa
06-01-2007, 00:04
Heh, the Stock Market,i somtimes follow the Stock's of the company Telus which my Dad works for and it's interesting, i'm gonna build up my own company based out of Trensk if it get's up and at em.


Most likely somthing like this (Warning, if there's any Resident Evil Fans then please leave. ;P i couldn't think of a better name)

The Red Umbrella Corporation

Founded by famed Trensk Freelance Bio-Engineer Abraham Lance and his team of Scientists, the Red Umbrella Corporation is geared towards all forms of Medical research.

Dedicated to find the cures to the deadliest of diseases and virus infections, these hard-working Men and Women of Red Umbrella bring results.

Over time they expanded into other area's of Research and soon dominated the Trensk Market, out of every 20 homes 18 contain at least one of their products.

Their primary exports include: Pharmacuticals, Medical Technology, Computer Technology, Communications Technology and are the primary provider of Healthcare for Trensk.

Current Products available outside Trensk:

Tri-Ceptomine- A pain reliever that is 2x stronger then that of Ibroprophine or Talynol, this was the first product from Red Umbrella and has been accepted throughout Trensk as the leading product against pains in the body.

Adonpmorphine- This is a sedative for use in surgery, it comes in a liquid form and is highly effective in putting a subject to sleep, the liquid keeps the reciever unconcious for approxamitly 12 hours before it fully disolves in the bloodstream *WARNING, Side-effects may include itching and depression for a short period of time*

These are the only two products available outside Trensk.

Also it has military contacts with the Trensk Armed Forces and has begun to branch out of Trensk into neighboring countries, however this is slow as they want to fortify their assets in Trensk before moving outwards more then nessesary.

Stocks Available: 100,000,000

Cost per Stock: 20/per share.

Anyways...That's what i'm thinking of if the stock market comes up. ;)
United States of Brink
06-01-2007, 00:37
Yay the stockmarket is back up! Windhoek might be splitting rumor has it!

Also where in Bjorn was it located?
Cotland
06-01-2007, 02:38
Remembering back to when Bjorn massacred/deported those Panthean workers, in his Russian territories (which I took over).
RomeW
06-01-2007, 04:13
FURTHER ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT UAE TERRITORY:

My part of the UAE is going to Rome.

You just need to confirm it and its done.

I confirm this.
Pushka
06-01-2007, 04:59
Heh, the Stock Market,i somtimes follow the Stock's of the company Telus which my Dad works for and it's interesting, i'm gonna build up my own company based out of Trensk if it get's up and at em.


Most likely somthing like this (Warning, if there's any Resident Evil Fans then please leave. ;P i couldn't think of a better name)

The Red Umbrella Corporation

Founded by famed Trensk Freelance Bio-Engineer Abraham Lance and his team of Scientists, the Red Umbrella Corporation is geared towards all forms of Medical research.

Dedicated to find the cures to the deadliest of diseases and virus infections, these hard-working Men and Women of Red Umbrella bring results.

Over time they expanded into other area's of Research and soon dominated the Trensk Market, out of every 20 homes 18 contain at least one of their products.

Their primary exports include: Pharmacuticals, Medical Technology, Computer Technology, Communications Technology and are the primary provider of Healthcare for Trensk.

Current Products available outside Trensk:

Tri-Ceptomine- A pain reliever that is 2x stronger then that of Ibroprophine or Talynol, this was the first product from Red Umbrella and has been accepted throughout Trensk as the leading product against pains in the body.

Adonpmorphine- This is a sedative for use in surgery, it comes in a liquid form and is highly effective in putting a subject to sleep, the liquid keeps the reciever unconcious for approxamitly 12 hours before it fully disolves in the bloodstream *WARNING, Side-effects may include itching and depression for a short period of time*

These are the only two products available outside Trensk.

Also it has military contacts with the Trensk Armed Forces and has begun to branch out of Trensk into neighboring countries, however this is slow as they want to fortify their assets in Trensk before moving outwards more then nessesary.

Stocks Available: 100,000,000

Cost per Stock: 20/per share.

Anyways...That's what i'm thinking of if the stock market comes up. ;)

Eh, well, Lay already has an Umbrella Corporation so even on EII the name is already unoriginal. Just to let you know.
Layarteb
06-01-2007, 05:33
Eh, well, Lay already has an Umbrella Corporation so even on EII the name is already unoriginal. Just to let you know.

I do don't I.
Soviet Trasa
06-01-2007, 06:11
I know, that was merely an example of what i would create. :P
Layarteb
06-01-2007, 06:16
Yeah I have a few good ones:

Layarteb Defense Corporation
Manchurian Global
Umbrella Corporation
Layarteb Energy Corporation
United States of Brink
06-01-2007, 06:47
You and your petty stocks. My company made you rich. keep that in mind.
mu...muha.....muhahahahah.
Layarteb
06-01-2007, 07:03
You and your petty stocks. My company made you rich. keep that in mind.
mu...muha.....muhahahahah.

You added more to my fortunes but we were rich way before.
Nerotika
06-01-2007, 08:04
Finally made a flag, w00t w00t.

Here it is, the United Soviet Republics Flag
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5190/unitedsovietrepublicsflid0.jpg

Took me awhile to draw up, but I am rather proud of it.
Layarteb
06-01-2007, 15:51
Finally made a flag, w00t w00t.

Here it is, the United Soviet Republics Flag
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/5190/unitedsovietrepublicsflid0.jpg

Took me awhile to draw up, but I am rather proud of it.

Looks good.
Layarteb
06-01-2007, 15:52
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509982
Operation Savon and also a new conference to avert war in Northern Africa

Doomingsland, North Germania, attention.
Pushka
06-01-2007, 20:01
Heh, been reading over my old revolution thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=451571&page=2) and got surprised, been a while since I wrote like that.
[NS]Kreynoria
06-01-2007, 21:08
Well, way back in the Operation Dart thread when I only had Hawaii I RPed a lot worse than you did. Hawdawg had to pretty much walk me through.
Pushka
06-01-2007, 21:47
Actually that particular RP is one of my best on EII, I even got commented by Hoqsweat on doing a good job. The spelling and grammatics might be lacking but unlike my current RPs it has a well developed story, I did cut it a bit short though but thats because I was getting impatient and wanted to get my revolution over with.
Saint Lazare
06-01-2007, 22:01
@USB: speaking of global economics... what happend to TATO?
Hirgizstan
06-01-2007, 23:32
TATO is still around, Haw replaced Bjornoya basically.
United States of Brink
06-01-2007, 23:56
Ah Saint Lazare about TATO's side project ill give you the updates soon just been sidetracked as of late.
Pantheaa
07-01-2007, 01:13
Man its been diffucult getting on Jolt


I don't see why anyone would attack Spiz...I mean, hasn't he been through enough (His own side bombed the crap out of his troops, lots of casualties)...just stating an OOC thought on the matter.

Anyway ICly the U.S.R. will stay neutral in any war that brakes out between a Russian comrade and any state. (less they decide to involve me by Militaristic actions against me)

As for the industry investment prices and such I'll get those in a sec.

And you do think he got Yemen from...and did he do it alone..no we declared war with me while i was being invaded by TOA. Gang raping is a bitch isn't it?

i have a new military industry springing up in Pantheaa..i have to test it out somehow

An eye for an eye

Besides i want to get into Rping im bored..
Nerotika
07-01-2007, 01:50
And you do think he got Yemen from...and did he do it alone..no we declared war with me while i was being invaded by TOA. Gang raping is a bitch isn't it?



Yes...yes it is. In fact its rather painful.

On another note, Pantheaa. Any chance of an alliance between our nations? We could hold a conference or something. After all we are bordering nations, and good relations would help a lot as I see I have already failed relations with Cotland (Less we can put our social ideals behind us).

Same goes to you Koryan, Neuvo Rica and Rome. I don't want bad relations with bordering nations. (Kinda rhymed there didn't I?)
Pantheaa
07-01-2007, 02:07
Yes...yes it is. In fact its rather painful.

On another note, Pantheaa. Any chance of an alliance between our nations? We could hold a conference or something. After all we are bordering nations, and good relations would help a lot as I see I have already failed relations with Cotland (Less we can put our social ideals behind us).

Same goes to you Koryan, Neuvo Rica and Rome. I don't want bad relations with bordering nations. (Kinda rhymed there didn't I?)


Sure make a conference...since the King is more like a domestic figure head and is mostly there for tradition, the Prime Minister..Vladmier Davion shall attend any conference.
Nerotika
07-01-2007, 02:16
alright, I guessing you want me to host? I'll make it near your border so transportation wont be a problem.
Layarteb
07-01-2007, 02:42
I think it's time for another EII awards ceremony don't you?
Nerotika
07-01-2007, 02:45
Anyone remember what territory I use to own?
Hirgizstan
07-01-2007, 02:50
Ah, the awards ceremony, I was thinking about that the other day. Definetly about time for another one!
Layarteb
07-01-2007, 03:01
Anyone remember what territory I use to own?

It was something in Russia and I think Panth owns it now maybe. You could search this thread and you will find it.
Nerotika
07-01-2007, 03:47
It was something in Russia and I think Panth owns it now maybe. You could search this thread and you will find it.

I tried looking for it, I know its somewhere between pages 60-130...though I dont really need to know right now.

From what I remember though I think it was one of the larger two territories between Pushka and Cotland. The ones Rome owns right now. I'm probably wrong, eh whatever.
Layarteb
07-01-2007, 05:35
I tried looking for it, I know its somewhere between pages 60-130...though I dont really need to know right now.

From what I remember though I think it was one of the larger two territories between Pushka and Cotland. The ones Rome owns right now. I'm probably wrong, eh whatever.

Just search the thread for your name...
Layarteb
07-01-2007, 05:35
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5632/untitled3aj5.th.jpg (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled3aj5.jpg)

Hey guys take a preview at this alright because I want to know what you think...
Nerotika
07-01-2007, 06:01
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5632/untitled3aj5.th.jpg (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled3aj5.jpg)

Hey guys take a preview at this alright because I want to know what you think...

I know what im thinking, what is it?
Layarteb
07-01-2007, 06:09
entrance page for my new website
Pyschotika
07-01-2007, 06:43
I think it's time for another EII awards ceremony don't you?

meh
Nerotika
07-01-2007, 07:13
entrance page for my new website

I like it, but in a way it seems a little bright. No offense at all but it seems like a childish look to it (Its the combination of the bright colors). But it does look nice and hey I can't do anything like that.

Are you using dreamweaver?