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I have reasons for doing this. Time will explain why I'm doing it...

Kreynoria']I am extremely pissed off at you, Cot. And weren't you just reprimanding Huahin for a tactical nuclear strike on a small island base?
The difference here is that he was planning to use them in an actual battle, I'm just testing it/showing to the world what I've got....

OOC- was it really secret IC...see i get confused by Psych post something like this...


Japan, as always, will welcome any Pantheaan refugees.

This does not mean Military support on behalf of the Pantheaan rebels, and all refugees who course their way into the Japanese Isles shall be watched a bit closer than the average Citizen. We hope this does not oust out the option of any Man, Woman, or Child who wishes to flee their war torn country. We just wish to take some minor precautions before allowing Pantheaans to apply for Citizenship amongst the Japanese.

OOC-

No OOC...so i don't get it is it OOC but in a visable that i can't see? Maybe its an intended OOC that everyone but me got? I always thought that if it doesn't have an OOC in it then its IC. Unless Pantheans are real and Pschy really controls Japan...is that so?

But ignore those post then. It might be fun revolting in Japan, My peeps change their mind, make a small chuck of Japan into the New Pantheaa through a grand resistance. It will be a fun RP!!! I'll call it "Trojan Horse" since we were flew there by Vissera or whatever they're called. Visera is how its translated in Pantheaa

The slovakia post makes perfect sense. Thats where my people are orignally from. Before becoming refugees in Russia, thats the entire reason why i tended to invade Europe a long time ago

Nice post Cot, its a good thing Panthean still has their one nuke

Nice post Cot, its a good thing Panthean still has their one nuke
Thanks. And I've got plenty more where that one came from, so don't try anything funny.

LOL
what do i exactly have to do to provoke you to launch when i already pissed you off enough

OOC: Fire your nuke Pantheaa, I'll just shoot it down. You haven't got a trump card, so I wouldn't act as if you do.

LOL
what do i exactly have to do to provoke you to launch when i already pissed you off enough
Nah, this is just a test to

1.) tell the world not to piss me off
2.) tell the world that I've got nukes, something which I've ICly denied for a very long time
3.) part of a long-term plan I've got for Cotland
4.) something I'm doing because I'm bored
5.) all of the above.

Guys, I would like to humbly apologize for my absence for such an extended period of time. I've been a tad preoccupied with medical concerns (evidently, I contracted Hepatitis C from a contaminated blood transfusion back in China when I was a toddler), so I haven't been able to do much beyond reply to telegrams and answer issues. I am really, really sorry to anyone who has been hampered by my inactivity.

The doctors told me that I've got a pretty good shot at eliminating the disease completely, since there is no serious damage to my liver as of yet, there being only moderately elevated levels of SGPT, which (according to the doctors) is a chemical receptor released into the blood when liver cells are damaged. My viral load is also pretty low, around 3.5*10^6/ml. I can't begin interferon treatment until I turn 18, since they told my parents the regimen could potentially affect my physical development. I'm 16 and a half right now, so the medical people just told my parents to keep an eye on my condition.

Ok dude, good luck, hope you get stronger and beat the Hep C.
What part of China did you get it in?

Will you be more active now?

OOC- was it really secret IC...see i get confused by Psych post something like this...



OOC-

No OOC...so i don't get it is it OOC but in a visable that i can't see? Maybe its an intended OOC that everyone but me got? I always thought that if it doesn't have an OOC in it then its IC. Unless Pantheans are real and Pschy really controls Japan...is that so?

But ignore those post then. It might be fun revolting in Japan, My peeps change their mind, make a small chuck of Japan into the New Pantheaa through a grand resistance. It will be a fun RP!!! I'll call it "Trojan Horse" since we were flew there by Vissera or whatever they're called. Visera is how its translated in Pantheaa

The slovakia post makes perfect sense. Thats where my people are orignally from. Before becoming refugees in Russia, thats the entire reason why i tended to invade Europe a long time ago

Nice post Cot, its a good thing Panthean still has their one nuke

Pantheaa we've all heard your 'I'm from Slovakia but got kicked out cuz I didn't have the balls to stand against big bad NG,' your post made a direct connection between Visara and Japan, which has in no way been confirmed ICly.

I have no idea what the fuck you were trying to say but generally things posted in the E2 thread are OOC if that's what you were asking.

And you still haven't answered how you plan to reach the masses with your propoganda, so as far as I can tell noone has heard you.

Ok dude, good luck, hope you get stronger and beat the Hep C.
What part of China did you get it in?

Will you be more active now?

Thanks.

I got it because I was rushed to a hospital in Beijing with a case of pneumonia (at least that's what my mom tells me it was - I was way too young to remember). They had to drain my lungs of fluid, and give me a transfusion of blood. Unfortunately, the Chinese blood bank is horribly contaminated with diseases, since screening of blood products is almost never enforced. Simply put, I drew the short straw.

And yeah, I'll definitely be more active.

"The Realm is pleased to announce the successful test firing of one of our many nuclear warheads. The weapon was deployed from a strategic submarine using a submarine-launched ballistic missile. We maintain, and have maintained for quite some time a rather significant amount of nuclear weapons. We stress that these weapons are not to the used offensively but in a defensive role as a deterrent from potential attacks upon the Realm.

In light of the declassification of the fact that we have nuclear weapons, we hereby announce a new doctrine. Should the Realm come under attack from weapons of mass destructions, we shall retaliate against the nation from which the weapons of mass destructions used against the Realm originates. The manner of how we shall retaliate will be through the weapons of mass destruction we have available: nuclear weapons. Rest assured that we shall not be afraid to use these weapons if we have been attacked first. To our enemies, we say only this: If you fire against us, you'll get tenfold in return."

[signed]
Thomas Rothsky
Prime Minister
The Realm of Cotland

Guys, I would like to humbly apologize for my absence for such an extended period of time. I've been a tad preoccupied with medical concerns (evidently, I contracted Hepatitis C from a contaminated blood transfusion back in China when I was a toddler), so I haven't been able to do much beyond reply to telegrams and answer issues. I am really, really sorry to anyone who has been hampered by my inactivity.

The doctors told me that I've got a pretty good shot at eliminating the disease completely, since there is no serious damage to my liver as of yet, there being only moderately elevated levels of SGPT, which (according to the doctors) is a chemical receptor released into the blood when liver cells are damaged. My viral load is also pretty low, around 3.5*10^6/ml. I can't begin interferon treatment until I turn 18, since they told my parents the regimen could potentially affect my physical development. I'm 16 and a half right now, so the medical people just told my parents to keep an eye on my condition.

Wow. Super uncool buddy. Yeah in light of this news man don't worry about what you can't do, we aren't going to remove you or anything like that. I hope that you can beat it because that stuff isn't cool at all! Best of luck man.

To the Cottish Realm & the World

The Empire is saddened and disappointed by this use of nuclear weaponry in a war zone. We cannot stand by and defend the acts of our ally in this situation nor shall we make any haste to offer them support. This display of brinkmanship and irresponsibility has only further drawn the Empire away from this conflict and many future conflicts with the Cottish Realm. To invite a worldwide armageddon of nuclear fallout and retaliation is beyond us in the Empire and we shall not stand by idly. Should any nuclear retaliation fall upon the Empire or any land of the Empire, should any worldwide nuclear holocaust begin, the Empire will target some of its retaliatory strike weapons against the Cottish Realm for beginning this Pandora's Box of events.

The Emperor

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@Moorington, thing that sucks is if someone offers to sell you military equiptment they will be viewed as a potential enemy of a lot of nations, but there is an ingenious economical oppurtunity here for arms manufacturers (I'm not)

Lay is making money off of selling Ottoman Khaif military equipment to be used in this campaign. In fact, if the war is over quickly, Lay could lose a lot of money to lost potential transactions with O.K.

Now if anyone were to sell you equipment and stood to make a profit of it, they would not only be making money, but prolonging the war by balancing the forces and could thus make more money due to more arms-sales.

And should that nation that sells you equipment secretly co-operate with the EOL to balance the supplies being shipped to both you and O.K. they could make the war last indefinetly and make a continuous profit!

Me, sell weapons? nah!

Things aren't the way they seem, something this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10729859&postcount=127) post will show. Expect a thread tommorrow or the day after (depending on when this hang-over says goodbye)...

Guys, I would like to humbly apologize for my absence for such an extended period of time. I've been a tad preoccupied with medical concerns (evidently, I contracted Hepatitis C from a contaminated blood transfusion back in China when I was a toddler), so I haven't been able to do much beyond reply to telegrams and answer issues. I am really, really sorry to anyone who has been hampered by my inactivity.

The doctors told me that I've got a pretty good shot at eliminating the disease completely, since there is no serious damage to my liver as of yet, there being only moderately elevated levels of SGPT, which (according to the doctors) is a chemical receptor released into the blood when liver cells are damaged. My viral load is also pretty low, around 3.5*10^6/ml. I can't begin interferon treatment until I turn 18, since they told my parents the regimen could potentially affect my physical development. I'm 16 and a half right now, so the medical people just told my parents to keep an eye on my condition.

Wow man, take care of yourself first, gaming should be the farthest thing from your frontburner right now. I have been through a regiment of shots myself to keep from getting Hepatitis B, since I teach in a field in which cuts, bumps and bruises often happen.

-Hawdawg

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My tractor caught on fire yesterday and almost burnt to the ground. It seems an electrical short caused the fire. We will see what the insurance company does.

"No matter what happened to you this weekend, it wasn't as bad as mine"

-Hawdawg

OOC: Fire your nuke Pantheaa, I'll just shoot it down. You haven't got a trump card, so I wouldn't act as if you do.


Stealth Nuclear bomb.........so BOOYA! Missiles bounce off of its shell too and its about the size of an american penny.

But to serious business im holding the RP till tomarrow cause im working on a project for school right now and its taking me all day. I bust in here every now and then for a 5 minute break. But tomarrow RP's will be up and running again

Ok then forget my post, where ever you take my people they are not going to like cause they are Slovakians. So who ever gets my people enjoy the insurgecy

wow...Tyrandis...just wow...

I'm really sorry to hear man, that shit really does suck.

but I'm positive you can beat it.

You've got your youth, obviously your health has to be pretty good if your Liver so far isn't fucked up ( too badly ) yet, and you have the thoughts of a WHOLE life ahead of you to help you fight this stuff.

I wish the best of luck to ya man, kick that Hepatitus C's ass :-P.

( Damn Chinese! ) >> what I didn't say anything.

*My guess...I could be wrong...he may have gotten the transfusion in or just outside of Hong Kong, other possibility is Beijing*

Hey Layarteb...

Who LEGALLY owns Kuril and Sakhalin then?

I mean, a fight can still be held over them, but who would be considered LEGAL OWNER now?

Apparently I have first claims but he has claims as well, making it extremely difficult to work with. Meaning that if they do become mine, any action taken by him and to be taken by him would be acts of war against me and so basically I can use that to make him a 'No no bad guy'?...okay just kidding about the bad guy part but I mean this would be an act of war towards me then, correct?

Guys, I would like to humbly apologize for my absence for such an extended period of time. I've been a tad preoccupied with medical concerns (evidently, I contracted Hepatitis C from a contaminated blood transfusion back in China when I was a toddler), so I haven't been able to do much beyond reply to telegrams and answer issues. I am really, really sorry to anyone who has been hampered by my inactivity.

The doctors told me that I've got a pretty good shot at eliminating the disease completely, since there is no serious damage to my liver as of yet, there being only moderately elevated levels of SGPT, which (according to the doctors) is a chemical receptor released into the blood when liver cells are damaged. My viral load is also pretty low, around 3.5*10^6/ml. I can't begin interferon treatment until I turn 18, since they told my parents the regimen could potentially affect my physical development. I'm 16 and a half right now, so the medical people just told my parents to keep an eye on my condition.

Sorry to hear that. Hope everything clears up for you.

Rome, just curious, would you offer your Pacific Islands for sale?

I mean to say 'ever' after that 'offer' lol.

Layarteb - Sorry I am changing my name again...

I think this may be a bit more suitable, add when ever you do your next update or whatever....

The Imperial Realm of Japan

Rome, just curious, would you offer your Pacific Islands for sale?

No, sorry. They're an integral part of the Roman Empire as the Federation of the Pacific. It's one of my prize democracies.

"Realm" is copyrighted to me, so forget about it...! :cool:

"Realm" is copyrighted to me, so forget about it...! :cool:

It is? Because I went by Realm in Feb '05 - April 8th '05...kind of before the Realm you had :-P.

What..Imperial Empire is just...werid...

Grand Empire is what I went by after the Realm, then it was Transitioning Republic then to Emerging Republic then the Oligarchic Republic to now the Imperial Realm ( Oligarchic and Imperial Realm has the same Government, Trans and Emerging had the same PM as I do now and back in the Oligarchic...all major changes happened between The Realm to Grand Empire and from Grand Empire to Trans Republic ).

I win, :-D.

LOL.



Anyway, to sum things up concerning my nuclear test in Dämmerung...

1.) The area of Kalmykia was declared secured by Cottish and Hirgizstani troops in post #105. Fighting in Kalmykia ended around then.
2.) There are still personell in Kalmykia, but none are closer than 100 kilometers to the west of Ground Zero, and they are wearing NBC equipment. Most if not all civilian Pantheans have been deported to Visara camps as of post #105.
3.) The nuclear test had several roles. Firstly, it was meant as a message to the world community that Cotland has nuclear weapons, something which I have denied ICly for quite some time now. Second, it was meant as a show of force to potential enemies.
4.) Eastern Kalmykia will experience some radiation, but nothing too serious. I anticipate some ten to fifteen years until the area is habitable again. It was a fusion warhead, so lingering radiation and fallout is minimal.
5.) Whatever fallout there is is blowing south and will rain down on Kalmykia, Chechnya and southwestern parts of Dagestan (which belongs to Sparta, who is highly inactive). I take the brunt of the fallout myself, so don't come here and claim otherwise.
6.) The people behind this test was not, and I emphasise that part, the official government. It is part of a deep conspiracy which will result in a civil war in Cotland (thread to be posted in a few hours). Rothsky did not order this, but in order to maintain a strong appearance, he'll stand by the actions preformed in his name. Ever seem Sum of All Fears? The rouge general who shells Grozny and makes the president take the responsibility? That's the inspiration for this.

I think that should pretty much sum things concerning my nuclear test up. Any questions?

Sooo...

This force that is causing the Civil War is testing it's own Nuclear abilities?

Does this mean you get to nuke your self?

Oh and...

does your piece of the Philippines turn 'Evil'...and if so...may I 'liberate' it for you if it does?

Sooo...

This force that is causing the Civil War is testing it's own Nuclear abilities?

Does this mean you get to nuke your self?
We shall see...

As for the Phillipines part, I don't have that anymore. Spiz does.

Oh yea...

I forgot...

I kept threatening to invade...well...I mean...not really...but I made it clear I was quite hostile...and he was lucky I was away during my 'hostile' times :-P.

OOC: Stealth Nuke my foot. You fire it into space, I'll see it, I'll shoot it down. Even if you don't, my THAADS or MEADS units will, or my AL-52 Dragon's.

Something is rotten in the land of Cot (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476934)

The Civil War thread. This is going to take a long time to get through, so be patient.

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USB/NG [Post 11940]: Kaliningrad/Latvia & South Africa moved around.
DP [Post 11947]: You can give up 556,370.15 square miles and be under the rule or I can take it from you and I will just take away randomly. So it's up to you.
NG/OK [Post 11980]: Iran moved around.
RomeW/OK [Post 11985]: Greece thing done. New map added.
Neuvo Rica [Post 12237]: Russia map & claims updated. Minor problem. You are over the maximum ceiling for land, which is 5,000,000 square miles. You have 5,657,050.60. You've got to cut 657,050.60 square miles.






Greece: New map added.




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I am? Craaaaaaaap... I'll see what I can loose

My part of Antarctica is up for grabs. That oughta bring me back inside the limit.

I'll buy it off you. How much do you want?

@Pys and Rome: Expect a shipment of old and sick Pantheaan refugees within the week sometime, apparently Pantheaa thinks they're going to be able to cause an insurgency, so if you wanna beat up on either old or diseased people, whichever take your pick.

@Tyrandis: Stop dying

@Pantheaa: I seriously doubt refugees are going to cause an insurgency especially with the general screening process Visara is using. People who have something to live for and are apathetic about political ideology (which could very likely be the case considering how fickle the Pantheaan Government has been about ideals) are welcome, those who scream 'freedom or death' I say, 'Death is the ultimate liberation.'
Nonetheless, your citizens will be too broken to cause any serious problems.

@Hawdawg: You owned a tractor?

Oh yea...

I forgot...

I kept threatening to invade...well...I mean...not really...but I made it clear I was quite hostile...and he was lucky I was away during my 'hostile' times :-P.

Invade me, the ocean will turn red with blood, and if you somehow manage to suceed, a strange species of hyper-fast growing grey coloured mega mushrooms will appear all over your territory

OK guys, those of you who have embassies in Cotland can now hear fighting in the streets. Feel free to post in it now.

OK guys, those of you who have embassies in Cotland can now hear fighting in the streets. Feel free to post in it now.

Do I?

Do I?
Yeah, I think you do. I think you've had since I started in E2 in November '04...

Yeah, I think you do. I think you've had since I started in E2 in November '04...

Ho ho ho.

@Pys and Rome: Expect a shipment of old and sick Pantheaan refugees within the week sometime, apparently Pantheaa thinks they're going to be able to cause an insurgency, so if you wanna beat up on either old or diseased people, whichever take your pick.

@Tyrandis: Stop dying

@Pantheaa: I seriously doubt refugees are going to cause an insurgency especially with the general screening process Visara is using. People who have something to live for and are apathetic about political ideology (which could very likely be the case considering how fickle the Pantheaan Government has been about ideals) are welcome, those who scream 'freedom or death' I say, 'Death is the ultimate liberation.'
Nonetheless, your citizens will be too broken to cause any serious problems.

@Hawdawg: You owned a tractor?

OOC- it doesn't matter what screening process they use...every Panthean from the oldest to the youngest believe that Slovakia is their true home, that Russia is only a temporay home and that the international world is plotting conspiracies against them. This was all promoted by my government and it came true when you people invaded and bomb my people. Everything that my government said came true. In short their reign was the most legit and most truthful reign ever!

So no man woman or child wants to be a refugee in Japan....Rome might be ok since Pantheaa's have Roman blood. But to place a Panthean next to a Jap is disgraceful. To say that all of my people are willing to become refugees is god moding...and i will not accept such post. Only 10% of the Panthean population is going to become refugees


RP on operation hamburger will be up tonight after my class ends at 5:00

Tyrandis- Sorry to hear about that man. Just stay strong and you'll pull through.

Cot can we go ahead and say i got an embassy?
If so ill post if i can, kinda bogged with a few other rps at the moment.

Didn't we exchange embassies after the French Polynesia thing Cot?

Yes to both of you.

OOC- it doesn't matter what screening process they use...every Panthean from the oldest to the youngest believe that Slovakia is their true home, that Russia is only a temporay home and that the international world is plotting conspiracies against them. This was all promoted by my government and it came true when you people invaded and bomb my people. Everything that my government said came true. In short their reign was the most legit and most truthful reign ever!

So no man woman or child wants to be a refugee in Japan....Rome might be ok since Pantheaa's have Roman blood. But to place a Panthean next to a Jap is disgraceful. To say that all of my people are willing to become refugees is god moding...and i will not accept such post. Only 10% of the Panthean population is going to become refugees

RP on operation hamburger will be up tonight after my class ends at 5:00

And saying every Pantheaan is willing to die to go home is a god-mod as well. Two RL scenarios I can think of, the Jews who held Israel as the most sacred of places, yet through history the European Christians and Arab Muslims were the only ones to fight repeatedly and bloodily for that land. Other would be the African Americans, and those so desperate to flee America founded such successful colonies as Liberia from the millions who flocked to their homeland...

I already made this point, its simply a matter of 'natural selection,' those Pantheaans who are willing to die for their ideals will inevitably in this conflict, those who aren't will become refugees, in no-way godmodding.

In the most advanced regions people under 18 account for 25 percent of the population, and in underdeveloped countries even higher. Now unless your nation has a Hitler youth-like program I doubt the young will be very fanatical about going to Slovakia (and if Slovakia is your true home and Russia is 'temporary' as you claim then simply going to another 'temporary' home is no different, heck Japan is more advanced than Pantheaa ever was) but if you do say you've raised your people under such a regime I point to what happened to Nazi Germany after the USSR seized the east, all the commies had to do was put a different symbol on the uniforms the German officers wore, and although they held completely different ideals the conquered Germans were hardly violent insurgents, but instead either died in the war, ran away, or stayed and became subservient drones to their new conquerors. People raised on irrational propoganda are easily controllable, its not the ideals of information they believe, its how in depth and convincing the information is. If they were raised with hollow and superficial rhetoric that changed or remained the same from regime to regime they will believe new and more complex rhetoric (i.e. modern America).

As for types of people so far your propanda has reached the JHS 'I'm just learning about racism and think I like it' dumbshit demographic, accounting for maybe 5 out of 1200 of my class, but if your nation is full of racists so be it, makes my job easier. In general: the ammount of racist views hold one holds is inversely proportional to one's grammar capabilities; the worse you are at grammar and language the stupider you are, the stupider you are the easier it is to control you.

10%? we'll see, depends on if you stay or not...

What is the maximum allowable size of a non self propelled barge that is permenently anchored in the same place and whose hull is steel and aluminium sections packed with aerogel?

NG has a base in Oman correct?

Also when is this war over, what is consider the allied victory?

OK you paranoid rasshøl, listen up. I am not blaming this shit on you. I'm basing the rebels on AKP(ml), which was a political communist "party" who preached armed revolution in the 1970s and '80s in Norway. They continue to exist today in a slightly more moderate form. Check their website if you don't believe me --> http://www.akp.no/spraak/index.htm
They are behind the nuke and the civil war. I am not going to blame this on you. Fuck you for having to make me spill the secret prematurely. Now, would you get that post out of my thread and instead do your OOC ranting/bullshit here in this thread instead? Get a fucking life and stop bothering me. If you can't do that, please go hang yourself.

[I'm tired, in pain and missing my girlfriend very much, so keep the bitching away from me. If not, go kill yourself. Thank you in advance.]

Lay I need to go D13 for awhile. Thanx.

Why are you cussing at me? I merely made a wrong assumption. Based on what you did in the past and the fact that you posted the first part of it in operation dummebag. You could of just said no. But instead you tell me to "go hang myself"

Lay I need to go D13 for awhile. Thanx.

That's fine but I am still chopping down your land to meet the requirements of the matrix.

An ORBAT, Pantheaa, is a list of all forces in a region that will be undertaking military operations. Putting that up will tell others what they're up against, and will help approximate casualties for everyone.

As for that last post; it was a worthless POS worthy of an ignore. Where did you get 5,000 cruise missiles, where were they launched from, and how the hell could they not get intercepted etc. Similarly basing air-borne operations at the moment are impossible as you never responded to allied attacks on your airfields that more or less gained air-superiority in the first days of the fight.

What i meant to write in that post was that 5,000 missiles from COH hit Tartar

So i have to write an ORBAT but the peeps invading me don't

I think all of us have ORBATS, Visara's is on the first page I know, big ass list of forces.

Spizania's ORBAT?
NG's ORBAT?

Damnit Pantheaa, you can either

1) Bitch about others not doing their job
or
2) Get the fucking job done

You're in the spotlight now, just like you always wanted. Having your forces' ORBATs is more important than anyone else's at the moment, if you're really such a stubborn ass make ORBATs just for Hirgy, Cot, and my posts.

Ok but NG told me to get an ORBAT. Im suppose to have one but he isn't. I don't understand why im being held to a high standard when NG can be lax
This is the same person that invades other nations when on vaction mode and he also gets to post with no ORBATS...can someone put in a word for me in E20 i really want to go!

My ORBATS will come up, proabably in two days cause i never created one. But till i get Spizania's and NG have ORBATS...im just going to have TROOPS MAGICALLY APPEAR OUT of no where.

Hey theirs no chance of me winning this war so why are you the one getting mad?

Cuz I'm hungry

Cuz I'm hungry
Aye, never get a hungry man anger...they go crazy on you or in Lector case...eat you...

Yes Bjorn. I have a tractor, and I do bale hay during the summer. Family owned business, we use the income to pay for my grandmother's at home care. Keeps her at home instead of a nursing home, and she gets to live out her life on her terms, 95 and growing.

-Hawdawg

Of course Hawdawg has a tractor! What self-respecting East Texan wouldn't? ;) Sorry to hear about it dying, Dawg.

Tyrandis, baby that liver, man. Love it. Stroke it. Tell it stories. Take good care of it. It truly sux that your drinking days are over before they've ever begun. I wish you the best of luck.

Not that I've been a lynchpin or anything, but my activities here will be limited for the next little while. I have a bajillion things on my plate and I don't have the luxury of spending more than moments here, let alone hours.

Spiz: Super-fast-growing giant grey mushrooms? What fresh comic-book weirdness is this? Perhaps I should seed my territories with dragon eggs or man-eating Venus Flytraps, eh?

I hope to see all the titty-fighting and chest-pounding done soon...:p

Will someone please answer me?

Cot, would i know about it yet and what are the posistions of your colonies in Barbados and Saint Lucia on this?

Will someone please answer me?

Cot, would i know about it yet and what are the posistions of your colonies in Barbados and Saint Lucia on this?
Assuming you have an embassy in Cotland [I think you do], you would know about shooting in the streets. As for the Dominion of Carib [the Caribbean territories], it will have some strifes as well, but don't try to do anything funny. I've got allies in the area that I hope will help protect it.

I'll buy it off you. How much do you want?

$10 and it's yours

Lay, there's a problem with the Russia map. I don't own either the Sakha Republic or the blue plot on the coast. I gave up my claims to those plots in favour of Squornshelous a while back, they should be his.

$10 To Neuvo Rica

I own his Antartica now. (What a deal).

(PS: Are you serious or what?)

Pantheaa - Why would your people even hate me? They most likely have never met a single Pantheaan and I am sure that they wouldn't be able to do much in Japan as far as insurgency goes because if they do I will kill every single Pantheaan blooded person with-in the Asian realm.

Yes, I would re-create the Holocaust. So if you plan on starting an insurgency, be ready to be acquainted to Thailand's Birkanau.

Also, I've stayed neutral and I've respected you and your people for fighting against such a force. Hell, the Japanese Public in general find your people to be quite honorable.

So...with that in perspectives...why the hell talk about me as if I am an enemy of the Pantheaan people and that I am a part of bombing you? Fuck...now it just sounds all the funner too me.

That's fine but I am still chopping down your land to meet the requirements of the matrix.

Give it to brink than please.

Why would my people hate Japan...cause they are xenophopic and against mix breeding. Why are my people against Japan? cause they want indepedence, a nation of their own. They want the same thing that every man longs for.

Why would my people hate Japan...cause they are xenophopic and against mix breeding. Why are my people against Japan? cause they want indepedence, a nation of their own. They want the same thing that every man longs for.
Sex and a bottle of fine Scotch?

They want the same thing that every refugee wants...freedom

*tosses out bottles of scotch* Free Scotch for all!

Umm... actually refugees kinda want to live before 'freedom,' as proven by the fact they decided to become refugees rather than die for 'freedom' when they had the chance.

Given a choice between 'freedom' or access to drugs, free porn, and a secure living I think the majority of people would say 'screw freedom and self-determination.' Heck, million leave their 'own' democratic countries yearly to go to a better place simply for economic oppurtunities.

Not everyone is a whiny 13 year old brat with an anti-authority complex.

*grabs three bottles of Scotch*

Cheers!

Hey Cot, who has the advantage in the civil war at the moment, the government or the rebels?

Sex and a bottle of fine Scotch?
Damn right....but Scotch...bah Turkish Coffee damn it

I really have vast amounts of land that is probably in high demand, and lately I haven't been all that activein E2, so I'm going to scale back on a massive scale. While I will keep some land, the rest will either be given to the nation indicated or, if unspecified, available for anyone to claim, although friendly nations (ie: people who get land already) and new players would be preffered. If an IC reason is needed, then we will say referendums have been held and the territories in question prefer to join another nation. Anything left independent would be left as a fully functioning state, and would need to be taken over by normal military conquest, keeping in mind it has the backing of the people. If/when I become more active, perhaps I'll rise again :)

I will keep the following lands: Bahrain, India-Pondicherry, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia-Ash Sharqiyah part, Qatar, Kuwait. This represents the ancient Bahrain, which Elephantum is based on. Pondicherry represents trading communities in India (actually they were farther north, but thats OK)

Marimaia will get Koror (which I would ask you to keep as the psychotic dictatorship it is)

Yefferj will get India-Tamil Nadu, Kerala, and Lakshadweep, along with the Andaman and Nicobar Islands

TLS will get India-Andra Pradesh and Saudi Arabia (rest of my provs)

Rome will get Israel-Haifa, West Bank, Northern, and Jordan

The following is available for free claim, with the restrictions above.

Antarctica (part), Iran (Ardabil, East Azarbaijan, Esfahan, Fars, Gilan, Golestan, Kerman, Kurdistan, Mazandaran, North Khorasan, Razavi Khorasan, Semnan, South Khorasan, West Azarbaijan, Yazd, Zanjan), Iraq, Monaco, Oman, Yemen (Socotra)

Hey Cot, who has the advantage in the civil war at the moment, the government or the rebels?
Too early to tell.

Rome got all of Israel, and you will have to fight the people that are there

Nevermind, realised middle-east is not really Bjornoyan territory and Iraq will cause much problems.

Marimaia will get Koror (which I would ask you to keep as the psychotic dictatorship it is)

Confirmed. Don't worry, it'll remain an independent psychotic dictatorship; I'll go through previous posts so that I can reacquaint myself with the current state of play there.

I claim these lands damn it ,Iran (Ardabil, East Azarbaijan, Esfahan, Fars, Gilan, Golestan, Kerman, Kurdistan, Mazandaran, North Khorasan, Razavi Khorasan, Semnan, South Khorasan, West Azarbaijan, Yazd, Zanjan), Iraq, Oman, Yemen (Socotra)

Whoa bud, leave some for the rest of us. Could i maybe get Oman

I know if that goes through ill be way over my land but ill scale back.

Whoa bud, leave some for the rest of us. Could i maybe get Oman

I know if that goes through ill be way over my land but ill scale back.
As the saying goes, whoever comes first gets his pick...and I want to united the Middle East for LONG TIME so nope on Oman...but I'll give up on Monaco..

I understand that but you claimed everything on the list. I dont mean any beef or anything so if elpan gives it to ya, congrats.

Umm... actually refugees kinda want to live before 'freedom,' as proven by the fact they decided to become refugees rather than die for 'freedom' when they had the chance.

Given a choice between 'freedom' or access to drugs, free porn, and a secure living I think the majority of people would say 'screw freedom and self-determination.' Heck, million leave their 'own' democratic countries yearly to go to a better place simply for economic oppurtunities.

Not everyone is a whiny 13 year old brat with an anti-authority complex.

Sounds a lot like me. Anyway, not everyone is American, as that is the people you are describing.

I understand that but you claimed everything on the list. I dont mean any beef or anything so if elpan gives it to ya, congrats.
nah not everything...just the middle east, mainly and not the Antarctica (part). Its really because I want to United the Middle East or at least have a united Iran for the most part and Iraq...personal reasons and I'll offer Elpan.. 20 trillion dollars...for the lands

Holy shit Iran enriched uranium, get ready for another US war

Kreynoria']Sounds a lot like me. Anyway, not everyone is American, as that is the people you are describing.

Not everyone is an American, but everyone wants to be in one way or another. It's not about culture, its about economic conditions, beign able to get everything while doing nothing to deserve it.
America is #1 in the world right now, and people either want to come here or replace America as #1 (they want to be America...)
As for 'anti-authority' complex, best way to get over it is to aquire a position of power over a group of people you do not want to 'look cool' around. As soon as you have that sort of responsibility and can sense the capabilities of leaders your world will change.
Parents cause problems as I recall, mostly cuz they don't know wtf they are doing.

America is number 1 in the gap between rich and poor. Being poor in america is worst then being poor in any other Democratic country.

So yeah we are number one in everything.

Not everyone is an American, but everyone wants to be in one way or another. It's not about culture, its about economic conditions, beign able to get everything while doing nothing to deserve it.
America is #1 in the world right now, and people either want to come here or replace America as #1 (they want to be America...)
As for 'anti-authority' complex, best way to get over it is to aquire a position of power over a group of people you do not want to 'look cool' around. As soon as you have that sort of responsibility and can sense the capabilities of leaders your world will change.
Parents cause problems as I recall, mostly cuz they don't know wtf they are doing.


Actually, I am planning to join a freedom fighter group called the Patriot Resistance Militia when I am older. There are nearly a million members in America.

America is number 1 in the gap between rich and poor. Being poor in america is worst then being poor in any other Democratic country.

Being poor in America is better than being poor in Russia.

Secondly, the majority of Americans recognize perfect 'economic equality' is tyranical, and will accept disproportionate distribution of wealth based on merit.

Kreynoria']Actually, I am planning to join a freedom fighter group called the Patriot Resistance Militia when I am older. There are nearly a million members in America.
What? Another loony group set on overthrewing the government...whoa...got love these loonies

Thats true but you can't really consider Russia a true democratic power since its a former shadow of the soviet Union and they only been in the world community for just a few years. In all the studies i looked at Russia wasn't on there...so i don't even think people see it as an industrialized nation yet

America is first when it comes to poverty levels followed by Italy and then Australia

Kreynoria']Actually, I am planning to join a freedom fighter group called the Patriot Resistance Militia when I am older. There are nearly a million members in America.

And 5 million people play Halo, and from what I know they are much happier...

If you reallly wanna change the world right away you can't do it from the bottom up, its gotta be from the top down.

"Latin America has the highest disparity rate in the world between the rich and the poor:"

http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/PovertyAroundTheWorld.asp

And 5 million people play Halo, and from what I know they are much happier...

If you reallly wanna change the world right away you can't do it from the bottom up, its gotta be from the top down.


yeah im sure the civil rights laws came from the top down..
BS political change comes from social movements...like a bunch of pissed off vets=vet benefits

What? Another loony group set on overthrewing the government...whoa...got love these loonies


http://www.colddeadhands.addr.com/misstate.htm

Maybe loonies, but they do know their stuff

yeah im sure the civil rights laws came from the top down..
BS political change comes from social movements...like a bunch of pissed off vets=vet benefits

I hardly consider social welfare or civil rights revolutionary changes. From what the Patriot Resistance Militia wants to accomplish they would need to change what people think about certain subjects, and getting people to think requires leadership, not mob tactics.

Kreynoria']http://www.colddeadhands.addr.com/misstate.htm

Maybe loonies, but they do know their stuff
Aye they are loonies....one of many groups....woot...and to think I know many loonies...who are in these kinds of groups.

Sorry Krey, can't say I agree with much the PRM stands for except outrage at the gross stupidity and inefficiency of congress.
As for groups like this and humanity in general, they will never be happy and will always find something to fight. Implication? Humans like to fight, and with it like to suffer (or at least see others suffer) The greatest joy comes from the thrill of the fight, not accomplishing the goal (unless mass orgy insues, but that doesn't count: Sex ist eine Schlacht Liebe ist Krieg )
Proof humans like the struggle rather than aquiring the goal? How many videogames do people buy whose entertainment concentrates around fighting? How many videogames about peace?
A way out? Stoicism perhaps, but why would you want out?

Sorry Krey, can't say I agree with much the PRM stands for except outrage at the gross stupidity and inefficiency of congress.
As for groups like this and humanity in general, they will never be happy and will always find something to fight. Implication? Humans like to fight, and with it like to suffer (or at least see others suffer) The greatest joy comes from the thrill of the fight, not accomplishing the goal (unless mass orgy insues, but that doesn't count: Sex ist eine Schlacht Liebe ist Krieg )
Proof humans like the struggle rather than aquiring the goal? How many videogames do people buy that whose entertainment concentrates around fighting? How many videogames about peace?
A way out? Stoicism perhaps, but why would you want out?
Aye what he said...

Assuming you have an embassy in Cotland [I think you do], you would know about shooting in the streets. As for the Dominion of Carib [the Caribbean territories], it will have some strifes as well, but don't try to do anything funny. I've got allies in the area that I hope will help protect it.

Don't worry about the Caribbean Territories Cot. Texas isn't far from it. I gotcha covered.


-Hawdawg

As far as the hubbub about countries, I think we all could benefit from a good dose of "good upbringing". For instance, when you brag about becoming an uncle or an aunt to a 15 year old's baby, something is screwed up about that. That child won't have a chance to succeed because the mother is still enrolled in school. Where has all the morality gone to? Some of the things that have become socially acceptable are just appauling to me.


-Hawdawg

As far as the hubbub about countries, I think we all could benefit from a good dose of "good upbringing". For instance, when you brag about becoming an uncle or an aunt to a 15 year old's baby, something is screwed up about that. That child won't have a chance to succeed because the mother is still enrolled in school. Where has all the morality gone to? Some of the things that have become socially acceptable are just appauling to me.


-Hawdawg

Wholeheartedly with you, one of the main reasons I became so conservative was when I started working with children. Its amazing how quick the transition is from 'liberal college student' to 'conservative authority' when one has and realizes the responsibilites of helping construct another human being.

Wholeheartedly with you, one of the main reasons I became so conservative was when I started working with children. Its amazing how quick the transition is from 'liberal college student' to 'conservative authority' when one has and realizes the responsibilites of helping construct another human being.
aye...welcome to the club...I use to be a idealist..now I am iron fisted Centerist pro Right...thanks to a wake up call known as Real Life..

I'll never be a big business loving conservative
Im plan on running as a democrat after i get my polly sci degree...of course i won't win cause all the unions have left Ohio and its a red state now

I'll never be a big business loving conservative
Im plan on running as a democrat after i get my polly sci degree...of course i won't win cause all the unions have left Ohio and its a red state now

First thing you need to understand is you can have conservative values and not be a republican. The extreme polarization on topics that has developed over the last couple of years (talk show induced) has really blurred the vision of many people. I tend to have a set of ideals that I like from both groups and tend to select candidates best on how they will fill office not by there political affilliation. Oh and one other thing somebody please tell Shawn Hannity that if I don't necessarily agree with his point that doesn't automatically make me a liberal. I get tired of people overdosing on the political stereotyping.

**Gets off the soapbox**

But thinking in black and white, Republican and Democratic, Good and Evil, is sooo much easier.

But thinking in black and white, Republican and Democratic, Good and Evil, is sooo much easier.
But is everything that simple...Nope...its more complex ..there is always a grey area for you...and most of us happen to be in that area like it or not.

I never said their wasn't any conservative democracts(Bill Clinton)...but the majority of the conservative movement is religious, big business and gun lovers make up most of the contributions of the Republican party...flatout

But is everything that simple...Nope...its more complex ..there is always a grey area for you...and most of us happen to be in that area like it or not.

I was being sarcastic, I hope somebody someday will be able to see not only shades of grey, but in color as well.

Rome will get Israel-Haifa, West Bank, Northern, and Jordan

I graciously accept this land. Thank you for the gift.

I was being sarcastic, I hope one day somebody someday will be able to see not only shades of grey, but in color as well.
Of couse I know you were being sarcastic...but I am in mode of making statement that make sense...most of the time I post loony stuff....so this is a once in a life time type of thing...so enjoy my hint of smartness...before I got insane onces again...

I never said their wasn't any conservative democracts(Bill Clinton)...but the majority of the conservative movement is religious, big business and gun lovers make up most of the contributions of the Republican party...flatout

Well let me break the stereotype for you. I am a gun collector (I have put together quite an assortment), I attend church regularly and assist with Sunday School classes, and I am a school teacher on top of it. I dispise people that refuse to work for a living, Gas is too damn high and no I don't have huge piles of cash to pay for it or buy a new "hybrid" to become more efficient. I think far too many folks say what they "think" people want to hear rather than what is on there mind. Frankly if we were more candid with each other instead of sugar-coating everything we would be much better off.

Irregardless of what the IRS tells us, a flat tax is much damn simplier. College professors are there for a reason, they couldn't hack it in a real job. The glass house they live in needs a really good dose of windex. When my grandmother has to call me to ask which "plan" she needs to sign up for that will pay the most instead of all like before, I have to ask what the hell are we doing? When I see things like an interstate highway that was built in Hawaii, and bridges in Alaska, I wonder how dumb are we to allow this shit to happen?

When I see a mayor chastize a group of firemen for having a "fill the boot" campaign for MD kids because it violates the "no panhandling" ordinance, I ask WTF? When I see people stomping up and down the street in Dallas because they say they only perform the jobs that we won't do (that's a lie), and they scream don't send the illegals home, I ask can you follow the rules like everybody else? Am I crazy, no I am just someone that is frustrated with the way things are turning out and wondering what is ahead for us with all this "baggage" that we are carrying.



-Hawdawg

Well let me break the stereotype for you. I am a gun collector (I have put together quite an assortment), I attend church regularly and assist with Sunday School classes, and I am a school teacher on top of it. I dispise people that refuse to work for a living, Gas is too damn high and no I don't have huge piles of cash to pay for it or buy a new "hybrid" to become more efficient. I think far too many folks say what they "think" people want to hear rather than what is on there mind. Frankly if we were more candid with each other instead of sugar-coating everything we would be much better off.

Irregardless of what the IRS tells us, a flat tax is much damn simplier. College professors are there for a reason, they couldn't hack it in a real job. The glass house they live in needs a really good dose of windex. When my grandmother has to call me to ask which "plan" she needs to sign up for that will pay the most instead of all like before, I have to ask what the hell are we doing? When I see things like an interstate highway that was built in Hawaii, and bridges in Alaska, I wonder how dumb are we to allow this shit to happen?

When I see a mayor chastize a group of firemen for having a "fill the boot" campaign for MD kids because it violates the "no panhandling" ordinance, I ask WTF? When I see people stomping up and down the street in Dallas because they say they only perform the jobs that we won't do (that's a lie), and they scream don't send the illegals home, I ask can you follow the rules like everybody else? Am I crazy, no I am just someone that is frustrated with the way things are turning out and wondering what is ahead for us with all this "baggage" that we are carrying.



-Hawdawg

Ok i would take this to the layer forum but i never recieved my confirm email

Sure we shouldn't sugar coat anything but we also have to educate ourselves into what is really happening in America

i went to a catholic school and was very conservative but i moved to the left when i get to college and a good reason

First of all on the idea that people are to lazy to work..
not exactly, if you ever read "nikel and dime" you see that most people are considered working poor, in that they bust their ass and work everyday but still can't manage. Min wage doesn't pay enough and TANF only goes up to a certain amount. So bascially people can get more money on TANF then they can working full time at walmart with no health benefits...this is why min wage needs to increase. You know we have a problem when TANF is a better solution then working at Wal Mart with no health benefits.

Single mothers who have to raise children and work and that same time are the worst off. Once again as i pointed out before, america as the largest gap of rich and poor and thats mostly cause of the indivudaulistic mindset of the American dream. Out of all people "who refuse tro work for a living" probabaly makes up like .000005% of the population.

Flat tax is a freaking joke....why should all people pay the same amount of money. Flat tax would make poor people pay more and rich people pay less

And has for the illegal immigration...aliens do take jobs that no one else takes. They are the ones working at Mcdonalds

Pantheaa - Yea but...that was up until 1943. My people have intermixed a lot, a lot with the Nerotikan Russians ( Around Kobe Japan ), Alot with my other territories, etc...

I also would partition a small ammount of land that you guys could use in a 'Loan' type of dealy...like I would have done with Nerotika but he doesn't want to post on EII anymore. So yea...I don't see why the Pantheaans would have much beef with me...

Uhh.. where exactly do you go to college... ?

Do you know how much minimum wage laws hurt small businesses? The ammount of regulations we have on business end up hurting them the most, leaving your fat-cat corporations the ones most capable to pay for the extra cost of regulations.

If we removed minimum wage laws it would allow for more businesses to be created, and if you don't like the pay you can always find a better job, or even better acquire some skills via education to make yourself more valuable.

So far the left has been catering to the weakest, which was what caused us to become a welfare state in the first place. Insofar as the weakest are allowed to live, they also reproduce, and far faster than the more intelligent persons who spend their time trying to discover cures for various diseases, God knows why, will most likely aid in overpopulation problems and end up healing people who will likely try to take their hard-earned cash away from them for the sake of 'equality.'

As for those who choose to create a child and then find they are incapable of supporting it, of handling their own responsibility I have the utmost contempt. And these are the people who demand I pay for their idiocy and irresponsibility.

Questions: Why should we strive to save everyone? What is the appeal of equality? Freedom? What is meant by either of those terms, and how the hell could one possibly have both? Waht is justice in the liberal sense if people are shaped by their environment as they constantly point out?
Furthermore, what injustice has any CEO done to you? Why should they be the target of ressentiment? What's so bad about suffering? Death? Why try to prevent it? Do you wish to eliminate fear, suffering, and death? Do you have any idea the repurcussions of such any action might be? Doing, or attempting to do so would be far more inhumane than anything a corporate official ever did.

The masses' goal to view the world as hopeless and ugly has made the world hopeless and ugly.

Bjornoya-whoa for a second you starting to sound like Thomas Robert Malthus, dude we need to talk on AIM.

Uhh.. where exactly do you go to college... ?

Do you know how much minimum wage laws hurt small businesses? The ammount of regulations we have on business end up hurting them the most, leaving your fat-cat corporations the ones most capable to pay for the extra cost of regulations.

If we removed minimum wage laws it would allow for more businesses to be created, and if you don't like the pay you can always find a better job, or even better acquire some skills via education to make yourself more valuable.

So far the left has been catering to the weakest, which was what caused us to become a welfare state in the first place. Insofar as the weakest are allowed to live, they also reproduce, and far faster than the more intelligent persons who spend their time trying to discover cures for various diseases, God knows why, will most likely aid in overpopulation problems and end up healing people who will likely try to take their hard-earned cash away from them for the sake of 'equality.'

As for those who choose to create a child and then find they are incapable of supporting it, of handling their own responsibility I have the utmost contempt. And these are the people who demand I pay for their idiocy and irresponsibility.

Questions: Why should we strive to save everyone? What is the appeal of equality? Freedom? What is meant by either of those terms, and how the hell could one possibly have both? Waht is justice in the liberal sense if people are shaped by their environment as they constantly point out?
Furthermore, what injustice has any CEO done to you? Why should they be the target of ressentiment? What's so bad about suffering? Death? Why try to prevent it? Do you wish to eliminate fear, suffering, and death? Do you have any idea the repurcussions of such any action might be? Doing, or attempting to do so would be far more inhumane than anything a corporate official ever did.

The masses' goal to view the world as hopeless and ugly has made the world hopeless and ugly.

I go to Kent State University...

Min wage does hurt small businesses yeah. But most companies that hire people are big businesses. But since the min wage has fell 29% in the last few decades real wages have increase. In other words more people are getting money...except for the poor. Most CEO's have decided to give themselves a raise as well. An end to min wage would make a youth worker disappear in America. No one will work at mcdonalds for 1 dollar an hour. Therefore getting rid of the MW means no more young job seekers. And according to several studies min raise increase in California and NJ have show that an increase of pay but no lost of jobs.

The left created the welfare state because of problems of poverty. You seem to forget that Social security and Medicare count as a part of the welfare state. Under your ideas people would be working till age 115 or take money from private investing which is actually lower then what the government would bring with their benefits.

As for those you chose to create a child before knowing the consqueces. You also have know that their are external factors that go on that can push a person into poverty, like an abusive relationship....the woman flees for her life leaving all of her $$$$$ behind, or a worker losing his job into outsourcing. This is what causes poverty. Most people go into poverty for a short time when something wrong happens such as a lost of job at a Ford Plant. Most people will get out of poverty as long as government helps them out...
Getting rid of those programs would cause them to stay in poverty longer


Why should we strive to save everyone? Simple answer...we have these programs to save our government. Without them pissed off people would be rioting and running amok. Protest and so on would follow. Government gives out programs to shut up the anger of social movements. A CEO has done no injustice to me, they are responiable for stock holders and not workers. When you don't watch out what businesses are doing then you go back to Upton Sinclairs The Jungle

@Panth: Do something because angry people say so? I will not let this country be determined by incessent bitching from angry mobs, and I would be worried aobut having a democratically elected government making decisions in place of the masses.

It is not in the best intrest of a corporation to ruthlessly exploit their workers, as you said if McDonald's paid $1/hour then no one would work there, and if no one worked there they would be out of business. Leftists make the assumption that corporations determine the social conditions, but like every living organism a business must respond to its environment or die.

If a corporation makes a POS product, and that product is rapidly consumed by the public, whose fault is it? A corporation must produce and sell that which can be consumed, that which is wanted by the masses. I do not get angry at the crappy Tabloid papers for publishing trivial shit, I get angry at the idiotic masses who so readily consume it. Silly Sinclair...

Again I ask why person A should pay for the mistakes person B made.

@Otto: last bit was from Nietzsche, but Malthus works too. Nearly forgot his connection with Darwin. Must finish Phys. HW, next time I'm on AIM we can chat about population control.

It is not in the best intrest of a corporation to ruthlessly exploit their workers, as you said if McDonald's paid $1/hour then no one would work there, and if no one worked there they would be out of business. Leftists make the assumption that corporations determine the social conditions, but like every living organism a business must respond to its environment or die.

Not necessarily true. You're implying that jobs are readily available and that the training for those jobs is also easily accessible- they're not always. Sure, it'd be nice to be able to go to college and "update your skills" but as it stands now it costs an arm and a leg to get in, is rather time-consuming and doesn't pay anything in return. Most likely, these people are going to have to either work and save up a lot of money before attending college or work during college- thereby cutting into their studying and, ultimately, sleep time.

These are the kinds of workers- the so-called "unemployables" because of their lack of qualifications- who can and DO get exploited. Take a look at the Third World where people are earning literally $1 a day. These people are so desperate that they'll take anything, and they often get the short end of the stick. Mind you, the conditions in the Third World are dramatically different than here- we have infrastructure and capital, the Third World doesn't, thus giving us the ability to create more jobs. However, this won't end exploitation. Not every "unemployable" here has the money or the resources (i.e. car, public transit, etc.) to be able to search for jobs and may just "settle" for whatever they can find. In the city, where there's lots of jobs and opportunities (not to mention public transit), it may be easier to find "a better job" (though not always), but in a small town where all exists is Bob's Diner and the Quik-E-Mart, the potential's still there. I will agree that not *every* corporation and CEO is evil, because I don't believe they are, but that doesn't mean we can't safeguard and punish those who are evil.

Ahh, another Nietzschen question, what is wrong with exploitation? Further, can it be avoided? We cannot brand the hawk as 'evil' for hunting...

Ahh, another Nietzschen question, what is wrong with exploitation? Further, can it be avoided? We cannot brand the hawk as 'evil' for hunting...

If the state can't take care of its own people, then it cannot survive. The masses are what perform the jobs the state needs done, and the workers will not perform those jobs in unsatisfactory conditions. Therefore, the state must provide satisfactory conditions if it is to succeed in getting the jobs it needs done accomplished.

SInce Elephantum is leaving these to anyone, as far as i can tell, can i claim Oman, his Iranian Territories, Socotra and Iraq? If ive made a mistake and thier not up for grabs, just ignore the post. If i am right, thread will be up on confirmation
Giving Away Post :- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10740878&postcount=12334

$10 To Neuvo Rica

I own his Antartica now. (What a deal).

(PS: Are you serious or what?)

Yeah, I had to give it up because of the land limit and it wasn't really doing much for me.

Ok, Anartica deal between myself and Nuevo Rica is confirmed.

And Spiz, Ottoman Khaif has already claimed those places.

If the state can't take care of its own people, then it cannot survive. The masses are what perform the jobs the state needs done, and the workers will not perform those jobs in unsatisfactory conditions. Therefore, the state must provide satisfactory conditions if it is to succeed in getting the jobs it needs done accomplished.

Adequate to sustain life and labor, but more than that? I was thinking of Marx's 'keeping the proletariat just enough alive to live and labor' which may be considered exploitation depending on the living conditions of the employer (i.e. would be considered exploitation if bossman got $1000/hour and you got $1/hour, but would not be if bossman and you both got $1/hour, which brings a whole slew of other questions...)
Why should it be the job of the state to maintain adequate standard of living for all? What do you mean to 'take care of its own people'? How far does that go? What jobs are required to maintain the existence of a state?

And Spiz, Ottoman Khaif has already claimed those places.

Doesnt he have to do those as if it was an D12 event as he claimed it and wasnt explicitely given to him? POst a thread about it?

Since he is still active I think Eleph needs to confirm any transfer of his lands.

Doesnt he have to do those as if it was an D12 event as he claimed it and wasnt explicitely given to him? POst a thread about it?
As long as he does it withing 24 hours, he's in the clear.

i think elphan gets to say who wants it

Hes got 6 hours, and i can always break-out the starshine system

Well for who ever is trying to complete with Spizania's forces for Oman...just know that he already as troops in the middle east invading moi. So you are already losing to Spizania

Nobody has to post anything for Oman or any other of the before mentioned places. If i read right, Elphan says who gets what i believe. I believe Bjorn said it before, he isnt d12 or anything.

I really have vast amounts of land that is probably in high demand, and lately I haven't been all that activein E2, so I'm going to scale back on a massive scale. While I will keep some land, the rest will either be given to the nation indicated or, if unspecified, available for anyone to claim, although friendly nations (ie: people who get land already) and new players would be preffered. If an IC reason is needed, then we will say referendums have been held and the territories in question prefer to join another nation. Anything left independent would be left as a fully functioning state, and would need to be taken over by normal military conquest, keeping in mind it has the backing of the people. If/when I become more active, perhaps I'll rise again :)

I will keep the following lands: Bahrain, India-Pondicherry, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia-Ash Sharqiyah part, Qatar, Kuwait. This represents the ancient Bahrain, which Elephantum is based on. Pondicherry represents trading communities in India (actually they were farther north, but thats OK)

Marimaia will get Koror (which I would ask you to keep as the psychotic dictatorship it is)

Yefferj will get India-Tamil Nadu, Kerala, and Lakshadweep, along with the Andaman and Nicobar Islands

TLS will get India-Andra Pradesh and Saudi Arabia (rest of my provs)

Rome will get Israel-Haifa, West Bank, Northern, and Jordan

The following is available for free claim, with the restrictions above.

Antarctica (part), Iran (Ardabil, East Azarbaijan, Esfahan, Fars, Gilan, Golestan, Kerman, Kurdistan, Mazandaran, North Khorasan, Razavi Khorasan, Semnan, South Khorasan, West Azarbaijan, Yazd, Zanjan), Iraq, Monaco, Oman, Yemen (Socotra)

HurrrrrraaaahhHHHHHHH!!!

Sorry to see you go, though. But hell, at least we still have E20, eh? :D

HurrrrrraaaahhHHHHHHH!!!

Sorry to see you go, though. But hell, at least we still have E20, eh? :D

He's not dead...

He's not dead...

he's only mostly dead. :D

he's only mostly dead. :D

Comatose?

He's not dead...

He pretty much is. This is just like when TIOR gave away almost all of his land.

Comatose?

It was a movie quote.

"There's a very big difference between someone who's mostly dead, and someone who is all dead."

Hey, my government is going to start harvesting magi and start making magitek armor like in FF6...either that or battletechs...i need a edge in this war

Hey, my government is going to start harvesting magi and start making magitek armor like in FF6...either that or battletechs...i need a edge in this war

I WANT MAGITEKS! ME ME ME!

*shoots Pantheaa in the face*

They're MINE! ALL MINE!

BWAHAHAHAHHA!

Panth: Sounds PMT, and due to a bad experience with PMT losers I will refuse to RP with you if I even get a whiff of PMT crap coming from your general direction.

Anyway, you've lost the war, give up.

Panth: Sounds PMT, and due to a bad experience with PMT losers I will refuse to RP with you if I even get a whiff of PMT crap coming from your general direction.

Anyway, you've lost the war, give up.

I'm PMT......

Also, if you think about it, anyone with technology not available right now is PMT. PMT is someone who has technology that will be developed by 2020.

Awww come on where in the general rules does it say it has to be modern tech......does it???

I mean we got stealth helocopters which don't exist yet..yes they were in design, but still not produced

PMT- after 2008/2010, depends who you ask, but it is generally accepted as anywhere beyond 2010. E2 is all MT, except, it would appear, you.

The argument that people who have anything that isn't around now is PMT is flawed. Many RL nations do not have things that may be around in three years time mainly because they lack the resources to develop them. This is not a problem in E2 since most nations are above 1 Billion some, like me, five times this, thus we have the resources to develop technology that might have been put on a backburner for years, SDI for example, or ETC/Plasma technology. But trash like Battlemech's and armoured walkers and that kinda stuff, is purely PMT as it cannot exist, even with advanced resources, before around 2010 by a general reckoning.

Most here at E2 dislike PMT, as I asked around when I first joined. If I have to RP with a PMT, certain concessions must be brought about, otherwise it simply isn't good RPing.

And Pantheaa, even though he may want new development, hasn't a chance as his country is about 75% occupied and the Government/State has collapsed.

SInce Elephantum is leaving these to anyone, as far as i can tell, can i claim Oman, his Iranian Territories, Socotra and Iraq? If ive made a mistake and thier not up for grabs, just ignore the post. If i am right, thread will be up on confirmation
Giving Away Post :- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10740878&postcount=12334
a freaking secon here...I post my claim for those lands first...and besides isn't it first come first serve?

So we can have chocobos but not PMT?
So i can have the bugs from star ship troopers since bjor has chocobos


Or better yet i have an army of predators

Ottoman, i dint see your post when i posted that.

Ottoman, i dint see your post when i posted that.
Its alright...just check the posts before posting a claim...

PMT- after 2008/2010, depends who you ask, but it is generally accepted as anywhere beyond 2010. E2 is all MT, except, it would appear, you.

The argument that people who have anything that isn't around now is PMT is flawed. Many RL nations do not have things that may be around in three years time mainly because they lack the resources to develop them. This is not a problem in E2 since most nations are above 1 Billion some, like me, five times this, thus we have the resources to develop technology that might have been put on a backburner for years, SDI for example, or ETC/Plasma technology. But trash like Battlemech's and armoured walkers and that kinda stuff, is purely PMT as it cannot exist, even with advanced resources, before around 2010 by a general reckoning.

Most here at E2 dislike PMT, as I asked around when I first joined. If I have to RP with a PMT, certain concessions must be brought about, otherwise it simply isn't good RPing.

And Pantheaa, even though he may want new development, hasn't a chance as his country is about 75% occupied and the Government/State has collapsed.

Huh actually the state hasn't collapse...i only collapse when i thought i could give away my land. Now that i know i can't...the entire government collapse thing is ignored and Lay even said himself it doesn't apply anymore.

Well my country as been devolping weapons in secret that will emerge when the war continues

Ottoman, i dint see your post when i posted that.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10741064&postcount=12339

SHut up, i have already seen it now

PMT- after 2008/2010, depends who you ask, but it is generally accepted as anywhere beyond 2010. E2 is all MT, except, it would appear, you.

The argument that people who have anything that isn't around now is PMT is flawed. Many RL nations do not have things that may be around in three years time mainly because they lack the resources to develop them. This is not a problem in E2 since most nations are above 1 Billion some, like me, five times this, thus we have the resources to develop technology that might have been put on a backburner for years, SDI for example, or ETC/Plasma technology. But trash like Battlemech's and armoured walkers and that kinda stuff, is purely PMT as it cannot exist, even with advanced resources, before around 2010 by a general reckoning.

Most here at E2 dislike PMT, as I asked around when I first joined. If I have to RP with a PMT, certain concessions must be brought about, otherwise it simply isn't good RPing.

And Pantheaa, even though he may want new development, hasn't a chance as his country is about 75% occupied and the Government/State has collapsed.

PMT is up to 2020. Battlemach and armored walkers are future tech.
Future tech does NOT equal Post Modern Tech.

So we can have chocobos but not PMT?
So i can have the bugs from star ship troopers since bjor has chocobos


Or better yet i have an army of predators

Moderate genetic-engineering is not a god-mod, is already being used, and since the birds aren't being used as WMD, as they very well could if I taught them Chocobo Ultima I was hoping it could just slide as a happy side dish.

Only asses base every action they do on what other people do like a childish puppet. This type of dialogue reminds of 6th graders at camp, 'You own a car? you can drive? Why can't I drive, its not fair!!!" Stop bitching about how much more creative, powerful, and intelligent others are and get to work.

As for FF fights I would own you any day, over 500 clocked hours perfecting and memorizing VII to X-2.

a freaking secon here...I post my claim for those lands first...and besides isn't it first come first serve?

Correct me if im wrong, nobody has offically claimed anything yet. Doesnt Elphan have to confirm?

Like i said before i understand it is first come first serve, but you claimed everything on the list. Thats my only argument. (Minus Ant but that doesnt count cause its antarctica.)

Correct me if im wrong, nobody has offically claimed anything yet. Doesnt Elphan have to confirm?

Like i said before i understand it is first come first serve, but you claimed everything on the list. Thats my only argument. (Minus Ant but that doesnt count cause its antarctica.)
aye we have to wait for Elphan to post the confirming so intill then...we chill

Agreed.

Moderate genetic-engineering is not a god-mod, is already being used, and since the birds aren't being used as WMD, as they very well could if I taught them Chocobo Ultima I was hoping it could just slide as a happy side dish.

Only asses base every action they do on what other people do like a childish puppet. This type of dialogue reminds of 6th graders at camp, 'You own a car? you can drive? Why can't I drive, its not fair!!!" Stop bitching about how much more creative, powerful, and intelligent others are and get to work.

As for FF fights I would own you any day, over 500 clocked hours perfecting and memorizing VII to X-2.


Wrong you can strap a nuke on a chocobo and smack its ass sending it screaming toward the enemy. Not knowing theirs a nuke on it the enemy things aaaaaawww look at the cute chocobo....boom.

Or you can insert a chip into a chocobo and give it to an enemy nation, but the chip releases a bio nerve gas. What if a speical virus is found in the chocobo's system that is harmful, you can harvest it and use it against the enemy

The potential to god mod with chocobos is there you just don 't realize it. Pump up a chocobo full of steriods and you'll win the race every time...god mod

Well good for you playing FF 500 hours....you got me beat i don't spend 24/7 playing video games, should i?

Ohh and you can also teach a chocobo to bite someones nuts off

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10747589#post10747589

New Civil War thread.

Wrong you can strap a nuke on a chocobo and smack its ass sending it screaming toward the enemy. Not knowing theirs a nuke on it the enemy things aaaaaawww look at the cute chocobo....boom.

Or you can insert a chip into a chocobo and give it to an enemy nation, but the chip releases a bio nerve gas. What if a speical virus is found in the chocobo's system that is harmful, you can harvest it and use it against the enemy

The potential to god mod with chocobos is there you just don 't realize it. Pump up a chocobo full of steriods and you'll win the race every time...god mod

Well good for you playing FF 500 hours....you got me beat i don't spend 24/7 playing video games, should i?

There's a big difference between the words 'aren't' and 'can't.'

And yes, yes you should play videogames 24/7 cuz frankly they will offer you a higher level of education than the POS one you got now.

true im not that smart but at least i know how to read the rules

Decree 6: Be mature as well. All participants are expected to be cordial and respectful of each other, regardless of their views politically or socially or what not. Be mature and don't be babies. If you or another person have a dispute, work it out through telegram, instant messenger, etc. or role-play for it. Start a thread and do it. Do not clutter up this thread with immaturity though. If you have a problem that cannot be solved through means of your own do not hesitate to telegram Marimaia or Layarteb. They can assist you, pending their time constraints

Ohhh and since Bjornoya as taken upon himself to insult when i repeatly ask him not to. His post for now on his going to be ignored. Here is what his last TG sent to me when i asked him to stop insulting me


Hey, sorry bout the insults and all, when I'm around other people I can say that stuff to their face and they can laugh at it and hit me with another insult and its all in good fun. Looking back it was outta hand, it won't happen again.

And im the stupid one...huh

true im not that smart but at least i know how to read the rules



Ohhh and since Bjornoya as taken upon himself to insult when i repeatly ask him not to. His post for now on his going to be ignored. Here is what his last TG sent to me when i asked him to stop insulting me



And im the stupid one...huh


Gentlemen I believe Layarteb asked ya'll to take this to the off-site forum. I would highly suggest that you do so. Your bickering has gotten very old.


-Hawdawg

You call it an insult, I call it advise. That was more against the educational process than anything else.

Yes, please ignore everything said here and get to work in the damned RP.

There is an unwritten law about posting PMs as I recall.

http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/

Check the 'bulk mail' for confirmation Panth...

Adequate to sustain life and labor, but more than that? I was thinking of Marx's 'keeping the proletariat just enough alive to live and labor' which may be considered exploitation depending on the living conditions of the employer (i.e. would be considered exploitation if bossman got $1000/hour and you got $1/hour, but would not be if bossman and you both got $1/hour, which brings a whole slew of other questions...)
Why should it be the job of the state to maintain adequate standard of living for all? What do you mean to 'take care of its own people'? How far does that go? What jobs are required to maintain the existence of a state?

I know it's a precarious balance- you can't- or rather, shouldn't- "pamper" the citizens but you also want to make sure they're alive and fit enough to work. Without that, the state's population will just not survive, and anything the state needs done won't be, because it will have no people to work.

As far as "how bad" the exploitation can go- well, the way I see it, exploitation cannot go so far as to anger the poor to revolt. People will only stay down for so long, as eventually at some point they will rise up and defeat their oppressors (see "French Revolution", "Bolshevik Revolution"), as humans tend to be jealous. From a political theoretical standpoint, yes, all that is needed for state survival is the ability for people to live and work- leisure is not required (in fact, the concept of "leisure" was lost for over 1,000 years in Western Europe after the Fall of the Western Roman Empire before being revived in today's 20th and 21st century societies). However, from my own moral standpoint, I don't believe it is fair for the poor to be shut out of opportunities simply because they don't have money, nor do I believe that entertainment and relaxation should be the luxury of a few. Society works better when it's united, which it is not if the privledged are *too* privledged.

I know it's a precarious balance- you can't- or rather, shouldn't- "pamper" the citizens but you also want to make sure they're alive and fit enough to work. Without that, the state's population will just not survive, and anything the state needs done won't be, because it will have no people to work.

As far as "how bad" the exploitation can go- well, the way I see it, exploitation cannot go so far as to anger the poor to revolt. People will only stay down for so long, as eventually at some point they will rise up and defeat their oppressors (see "French Revolution", "Bolshevik Revolution"), as humans tend to be jealous. From a political theoretical standpoint, yes, all that is needed for state survival is the ability for people to live and work- leisure is not required (in fact, the concept of "leisure" was lost for over 1,000 years in Western Europe after the Fall of the Western Roman Empire before being revived in today's 20th and 21st century societies). However, from my own moral standpoint, I don't believe it is fair for the poor to be shut out of opportunities simply because they don't have money, nor do I believe that entertainment and relaxation should be the luxury of a few. Society works better when it's united, which it is not if the privledged are *too* privledged.

Tocqueville best sums up my fears by this,

"Above this race of men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes upon itself alone to secure their gratifications and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in perpetual childhood: it is well content that the people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness; it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances: what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living?"

Many others as well no doubt have similar sentiments. In America it is already comign to pass, either the state or the family will pamper the individual into a constant childhood, no-one is maturing, there is no greatness.

From a moral standpoint I should think that it is not anyone's duty or right to be supplied with leisure, but instead be given the oppurtunity to acquire that leisure through work.

Another thought, capitalism is defined as the investment of money to acquire more money. Say some CEO spends a million on a vacation, how is that investment providing him any capital? It doesn't, and in short he fails his duties as a capitalist. If he invested the money in his business he could create more jobs, acquire more wealth, and do it all over again eventually leading to a higher quality of living for all involved in the business. In this scenario the problem is not that the CEO is a greedy capitalist, but not being capitalistic enough. For some reason I am reminded of Plato's Republic, and the idea of a "Those who rule should not own, those who own should not rule." I question Palto's idea of ownership, but if a CEO's duty is to decide how to distribute the wealth rather than use it himself he would play a similar role to the Philospher Kings.

You say society works best if it is united, I hear undertones of 'equal.' The masses have always and shall always be jealous of other's success, but that in no way means they have a right to deny others their success. The masses are simply a case of poor sportsmanship, being sore losers always. Teachign stoicism and recognizing people are not born equal, are not born with the same capabilities might end up alleviating some of these pains as it explains why they are suffering. As Nietzsche said, the greatest suffering comes not from pain itself, but being unable to to determine the cause of one's suffering. If people know the cause of it, hell people will actually pursue suffering and even death; fasting, martyrdom, celibacy etc. all because they have a cause, a reason to inflict pain upon themselves. The masses now are at a stage where they are suffering and are unsure the cause of it. Hell, I doubt anybody has come up with an accurate view of our economic condition, let alone the human condition but I've seen and read some really good attempts. Naturally they look up to find the cause of their suffering and curse, but a better solution would be to look inside.

I played with PMT guys who had armoured Mech's and all that BS. E2 is MT, simple as that.

And Pantheaa, I seem to remember this guy once, oh yes, his name was Adolf...he also talked about 'special wonder weapons'. Fat lot of good they did his skinny Bavarian ass.
As for you, fat lot of good it will do you as well. I actually suggest you get back to RPing as you haven't responded to the thread in a while.

Sory about Earlier, but i have another question
Who is in control of the County of Lincolnshire in England (UK)? I would like to buy it so I can have control of my Home Town

Sory about Earlier, but i have another question
Who is in control of the County of Lincolnshire in England (UK)? I would like to buy it so I can have control of my Home Town
That would probably be Hawdawg.

aye we have to wait for Elphan to post the confirming so intill then...we chill

I'd say for my unclaimed places, create a thread, and hopefully I'll joint-RP resistance with someone else. If you suceed, you get the land.

Who wants to joint-RP resistance?

Everyone will do that but there has been more than one person claiming a single piece of land. Thats where we need direction.

In that case, otto you can have oman.

Entirely depends on RP. If I didnt out and out give it to you, you have to fight for it.

So Ottoman Posts the thread and I contest his claims then?

Yes

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477415

Starting the attack on Oman and Socotra, respond, i dont think theyd be much resistance to start with, as these places could have attained independance. Since you said you were giving them up

Tocqueville best sums up my fears by this,

"Above this race of men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes upon itself alone to secure their gratifications and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in perpetual childhood: it is well content that the people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness; it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances: what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living?"

Many others as well no doubt have similar sentiments. In America it is already comign to pass, either the state or the family will pamper the individual into a constant childhood, no-one is maturing, there is no greatness.

From a moral standpoint I should think that it is not anyone's duty or right to be supplied with leisure, but instead be given the oppurtunity to acquire that leisure through work.

I agree that the state should not pamper its citizens, but its citizens should not be denied the opportunity to reap rewards if they work hard. There's many people who work extremely hard and reap no benefit of it, while there's many people who don't work at all and get tons of leisure. I see no fairness in that.

Another thought, capitalism is defined as the investment of money to acquire more money. Say some CEO spends a million on a vacation, how is that investment providing him any capital? It doesn't, and in short he fails his duties as a capitalist. If he invested the money in his business he could create more jobs, acquire more wealth, and do it all over again eventually leading to a higher quality of living for all involved in the business. In this scenario the problem is not that the CEO is a greedy capitalist, but not being capitalistic enough. For some reason I am reminded of Plato's Republic, and the idea of a "Those who rule should not own, those who own should not rule." I question Palto's idea of ownership, but if a CEO's duty is to decide how to distribute the wealth rather than use it himself he would play a similar role to the Philospher Kings.

I think a capitalist can indulge if they're successful, as long as it doesn't undermine the business. As far as the Philosopher King idea, it's a great idea but I don't see it working out- sometimes a business cannot grow any further, and there would be no capitalistic incentive to raising wages (since it lowers profits). Also, even if a business expands, it just means it hires more workers- it doesn't mean that the existing workers there will get higher ages.

You say society works best if it is united, I hear undertones of 'equal.' The masses have always and shall always be jealous of other's success, but that in no way means they have a right to deny others their success. The masses are simply a case of poor sportsmanship, being sore losers always. Teachign stoicism and recognizing people are not born equal, are not born with the same capabilities might end up alleviating some of these pains as it explains why they are suffering. As Nietzsche said, the greatest suffering comes not from pain itself, but being unable to to determine the cause of one's suffering. If people know the cause of it, hell people will actually pursue suffering and even death; fasting, martyrdom, celibacy etc. all because they have a cause, a reason to inflict pain upon themselves. The masses now are at a stage where they are suffering and are unsure the cause of it. Hell, I doubt anybody has come up with an accurate view of our economic condition, let alone the human condition but I've seen and read some really good attempts. Naturally they look up to find the cause of their suffering and curse, but a better solution would be to look inside.

Well, I do believe in equality but that's not entirely what I meant. A society works better if it is working together- that is, all parts of it are working towards a common goal. The poor are there to perform the odd jobs needed to sustain the state, while the rich are there to provide those jobs. Doesn't necessarily mean that they're "equal" but it does mean that they're working together- meaning, "united".

They've been given independence and militaries. Something to keep in mind.

In addition, both the Salafi Free State (Oman), and Principality of Socotra (Socotra) beg for international help in fighting off Spizania.

They've been given independence and militaries. Something to keep in mind.

In addition, both the Salafi Free State (Oman), and Principality of Socotra (Socotra) beg for international help in fighting off Spizania.

Are you saying you want your "free" territories RP'ed out? Under Lay's rules, claiming is usually done first-come-first-serve.

They've been given independence and militaries. Something to keep in mind.

In addition, both the Salafi Free State (Oman), and Principality of Socotra (Socotra) beg for international help in fighting off Spizania.
Oh well I drop my claims for Oman and Socotra..I'll take them another day another time...But a thread for Iran and Iraq is coming up soon.

and here is my thead for the conquest of Iraq and the other half of Iran.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10752115#post10752115

Sory about Earlier, but i have another question
Who is in control of the County of Lincolnshire in England (UK)? I would like to buy it so I can have control of my Home Town

England shall remain mine all mine, fought through the flea plague to get it. Sorry no deal.

-Hawdawg

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Pyschotika [Post 12272]: Those two territories are currently being fought over by you and Huahin aren't they? Whomever comes out of the RP victorious would have the claim.
Pyschotika [Post 12276]: Name changed.
Cotland [Post 12286]: Thread added.
DP [Post 12305]: Alright added to D13 list.
NR [Post 12321]: Ah okay. In that case you are under the ceiling by far.
DP [Post 12324]: Brink will exceed his limit if I do. I am afraid it must go free claim.
Elephantum [Post 12333]: Alright. I am curious though, since you didn't put these two lands in any category, what happens to them? India (Karnataka, Pondicherry)
Marimaia [Post 12337]: Land transferred.
Ottoman Khaif [Post 12338]: Land transferred.
RomeW [Post 12369]: Land transferred.
Spizania [Post 12381]: Yes O.K. had a legit claim on those earlier. You can invade him and fight for it if you want.
Hirgizstan [Post 12383]: Antarctica transferred.
Bjorn [Post 12386]: Eleph would had he not placed them in "Free Claim."
TLS [Post 12392]: Land transferred.
Teh Ninjas [Post 12418]: Thread added.
Spizania [Post 12435]: Thread added.
Ottoman Khair [Post 12440]: Thread added.






Post 12333 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10740878&postcount=12333): I still need Yerffej to confirm his land.




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UNDERSTOOD?

So who's going to win the World Series this year?

Elephantum [Post 12333]: Alright. I am curious though, since you didn't put these two lands in any category, what happens to them? India (Karnataka, Pondicherry)

He's keeping Pondicherry- that I know. Karnataka, I don't know.

So who's going to win the World Series this year?

The Toronto Blue Jays! :D

He's keeping Pondicherry- that I know. Karnataka, I don't know.


ARr ...thank.s

:: spams his way to 10,000 ::

The Kuril Chain should be mine then because I claimed them around 100 posts before Huahin did, and I posted before he did even if it was by hours.

I can understand Sakhalin being disputed because one - He posted 6 posts before mine, and I posted my thread some hours before he did.

The Kuril Chain should be mine then because I claimed them around 100 posts before Huahin did, and I posted before he did even if it was by hours.

I can understand Sakhalin being disputed because one - He posted 6 posts before mine, and I posted my thread some hours before he did.

Kurile is part of Sakhalin so the whole area is being disputed. All of those claims & counter-claims were accepted because RPs were required so it wasn't strictly first come and first serve.

Kurile is part of Sakhalin so the whole area is being disputed. All of those claims & counter-claims were accepted because RPs were required so it wasn't strictly first come and first serve.

They arn't the same territory.

There as far away as California is to Texas.

Also, the top two are considered to be a part of Kamachtka. Thats about it.

The rest are considered it's own Territory, the Kuril Island Chain. They each have their own name, but the Russians classified them as one whole territory.

The bottom two are inhabited purely by Japanese, but the Russians run it.

Those two I raced too almost immediatly when I posted.

And the rest would just be a clear invasion of Japan by Huahin.

They arn't the same territory.

There as far away as California is to Texas.

Also, the top two are considered to be a part of Kamachtka. Thats about it.

The rest are considered it's own Territory, the Kuril Island Chain. They each have their own name, but the Russians classified them as one whole territory.

The bottom two are inhabited purely by Japanese, but the Russians run it.

Those two I raced too almost immediatly when I posted.

And the rest would just be a clear invasion of Japan by Huahin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands

The Kuril Islands /kʰʊˈɹɪl aɪ̯ləndz/ (Russian: Кури́льские острова́ /kuˈrʲilskiɪ əstrʌˈva/) or Kurile Islands in Russia's Sakhalin Oblast region, stretch approximately 1,300 km (700 miles) northeast from Hokkaidō, Japan, to Kamchatka, Russia, separating the Sea of Okhotsk from the North Pacific Ocean. There are 56 islands in total.

Sorry but that's what I go by.

Kuriles are mine. I claimed them, I posted an RP (which still isn't finished), so I would say they're mine, and any attempt by Japan to take them, would be considered an act of war.

Kuriles are mine. I claimed them, I posted an RP (which still isn't finished), so I would say they're mine, and any attempt by Japan to take them, would be considered an act of war.

You basically coppied what I told you.

I invaded Kuril a few hours before you did.

And stop saying Kurile, it is Kuril no E at the end.

Also, the Japanese Government consider the territory boundaries much different.

So I am going with how the Japanese Government views it, and not the Russian Government's view.

They are SEPERATE Territories.

Its just Londeners, theyre weird and are the kind of people who hate authority, you know hippies from the sixties

Aye Ireland. Next year, after i graduate highschool, me and the sis are going to backpack through ireland. County Mayo i believe is were we hailed from many a moon ago.

I found this today, and it disgusted me:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4881474.stm

Shame on those British people who would have the audacity to do such things. I lived in the Midlands for a bit, and I know how racist British people can be and this doesn't surprise me, but just like ethnic racism, it disgusts me. British people often give me the cold shoulder because I'm Irish, but I'll just tell them where to put their friggin shoulder and they mooch off, lest they want a broken nose.
At least in Ireland we make our American cousins feel welcome, even in the 'British' north. There's a lot of people in the North against the Iraq war and disliking of President Bush, but they would never publicly insult an American just because they were American, they're more likely to say 'Pint a Guiness for me American mate here!'

This is stupid. The Brits are acting like America is the route of all evil; If they don't remember, America most likely wouldn't have gone to war without Britains support. I've lived all over the world, and I don't blame individual citizens for their governments actions. That is just the kind of apalling stereotyping that led to the Kristallnacht in Germany. "Well, since the Rich Jews won't give me a loan, all Jews must be evil!"

This is stupid. The Brits are acting like America is the route of all evil; If they don't remember, America most likely wouldn't have gone to war without Britains support. I've lived all over the world, and I don't blame individual citizens for their governments actions. That is just the kind of apalling stereotyping that led to the Kristallnacht in Germany. "Well, since the Rich Jews won't give me a loan, all Jews must be evil!"

That is why the government isnt doing very well on this issue either, weve got an advisor dead, about three political careers dead and a governmental approval rating that has dropped thirty percent

Mayo is a nice aul place. (aul=Old)

If you're backpacking though you'd be better starting from Dubling, then down the coast to Cork, and up the west coast. You might want to see Tipperary and Galway, and then on into Mayo. Next you should go straight through the middle, into the North via Fermanagh, and on into Antrim and the East Coast, where Belfast is. Make sure you avoud Derry though, especially Derry City, big shithole, best avoided altogether.

You basically coppied what I told you.

I invaded Kuril a few hours before you did.

And stop saying Kurile, it is Kuril no E at the end.

Either spelling is correct.

Post Count Wise: I am 86 out of 5,620 on Jolt. Spam-o-matic!

Does anyone know Flash? It would be so great to have a huge flash map somewhere. For instance if you wanted to see all the territories owned by someone you click there name and it shows via the entire globe.

I only say this because its hard to grasp the global scale of things here on EII. Im close to just printing out all the maps and making a diorama on my wall.

Does anyone know Flash? It would be so great to have a huge flash map somewhere. For instance if you wanted to see all the territories owned by someone you click there name and it shows via the entire globe.

I only say this because its hard to grasp the global scale of things here on EII. Im close to just printing out all the maps and making a diorama on my wall.

That would be ASS awesome! I don't know flash :(.

Official Press Release

The Holy Republic of Hawdawg has decided to issue 10 Billion Dollars worth of grants to the O.K. (5 Billion for R&D and 5 Billion for Pipeline Construction) for development of the oilfields in Iraq and Iran. These grants are designed to stimulate a source of revenue for these recently freed states and guarantee the flow of oil remains constant while keeping the price levels of crude, wholesale gasoline and diesel fuel from spiralling out of control.

Signed,

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

OOC- Lay i need to go on D13...too stressed and depress with work and school(and with this god mod RPing). Im going down to Kentucky on April 20th. Probably won't be back till the monday after that
Ime going to update Operation Dum before i go D13 though

When a nation is deleted, the standard assumption is that its territory is under anarchy, the anarchy of a failed government. When you take over said nation, please keep that in mind that yes people live there and cities do still exist. Even barren land (not owned previously) may have nomads on them.

On the issue of claiming my old land, an RP would really be preffered because this is not a D12 situation. It isnt anarchy, there are actual governments you are going in and claiming ownership over. I'd say thats an even more RP-worthty situation than "OMG!! Nation X fell apart, we're going to 'keep the peace.'" Lay should probably rule on this though.

On the Karnataka issue, TLS and Yefferj can decide which one gets it.

Also, could my name be changed to the Sultanate of Al Bahrayn?

Either spelling is correct.

No, Kuril is the correct and only way to spell it. You still get results on Google and Yahoo because most people add on the E.

Or maybe it is that I am staunchly Anti Russian and refuse to note how they may spell it, and thus how it may be used for certain people more commonly.

Also on that British thing...

If I were ever got a single bad look, I'd be arrested with-in the next hour and on my way to the Deportation center to be sent back to the 'States.

Because I really would go all out...

Beer would have to be involved...

Ah...good old Pub fights...yup...:-)

Does anyone know Flash? It would be so great to have a huge flash map somewhere. For instance if you wanted to see all the territories owned by someone you click there name and it shows via the entire globe.

I only say this because its hard to grasp the global scale of things here on EII. Im close to just printing out all the maps and making a diorama on my wall.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that be incredibly difficult to update on a regular basis?:confused:

Maybe, i dont really know flash.

OOC: Pantheaa, why are you going D13 now? Can't you just quit and save us all the trouble of this mess of an RP? It's really dragging on.

Layarteb: I am finished with Hidalgo County now. Killed the last insurgent with a .45 ACP round to the eye.


-Hawdawg

Is NTG officially gone from Earth II?

-Hawdawg

Is NTG officially gone from Earth II?

-Hawdawg
Yep. He gave his land to O.K.

Official Press Release

The Holy Republic of Hawdawg has decided to issue 10 Billion Dollars worth of grants to the O.K. (5 Billion for R&D and 5 Billion for Pipeline Construction) for development of the oilfields in Iraq and Iran. These grants are designed to stimulate a source of revenue for these recently freed states and guarantee the flow of oil remains constant while keeping the price levels of crude, wholesale gasoline and diesel fuel from spiralling out of control.

Signed,

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

I control the oil fields in Iran, OK just owns the land.

Speaking of Ottoman Khaif, he gave me Albania and Macedonia. Confirming that.

As a thanks for this gift, OK will receive a 30% discount on all oil (if any) and a 15% discount on all diamonds exported from the Reich to Ottoman Khaif.

By the way, all oil fields in the Oblasts I will conquer that currently belong to Pantheaa will be connected to the Eurasian Line. That means lower oil prices for everyone buying oil from me.

I control the oil fields in Iran, OK just owns the land.

Speaking of Ottoman Khaif, he gave me Albania and Macedonia. Confirming that.

As a thanks for this gift, OK will receive a 30% discount on all oil (if any) and a 15% discount on all diamonds exported from the Reich to Ottoman Khaif.

By the way, all oil fields in the Oblasts I will conquer that currently belong to Pantheaa will be connected to the Eurasian Line. That means lower oil prices for everyone buying oil from me.

No problem NG, I am gifting these funds to help O.K. develop some infastructure in both countries. BTW I will be constructing a naval facility to protect our interests in Bushehr, Iran.

-Hawdawg

Maybe, i dont really know flash.

Neither do I, it just looks complicated

LOL, I am becoming so philathropic.

Okay since I recieved absolutely no interest last time I will try once again to unload some surplus naval hardware.

The following items are for sale:

(24) SSN-21 Seawolf Class SSN's
(80) Dolphin II Class SSN's
(140) Los Angeles Class SSN's

All slightly used, but fully functional. I have upgraded my underwater fleet to a newer set of ships and don't need these anymore. First come first serve on sales. All offers considered.

-Hawdawg

No, Kuril is the correct and only way to spell it. You still get results on Google and Yahoo because most people add on the E.

Or maybe it is that I am staunchly Anti Russian and refuse to note how they may spell it, and thus how it may be used for certain people more commonly.

Also on that British thing...

If I were ever got a single bad look, I'd be arrested with-in the next hour and on my way to the Deportation center to be sent back to the 'States.

Because I really would go all out...

Beer would have to be involved...

Ah...good old Pub fights...yup...:-)

Despite what your opinion is on the spelling of it, it is accepted both ways so tough. If you have a problem go take it up with Websters.

I control the oil fields in Iran, OK just owns the land.

Speaking of Ottoman Khaif, he gave me Albania and Macedonia. Confirming that.

As a thanks for this gift, OK will receive a 30% discount on all oil (if any) and a 15% discount on all diamonds exported from the Reich to Ottoman Khaif.

By the way, all oil fields in the Oblasts I will conquer that currently belong to Pantheaa will be connected to the Eurasian Line. That means lower oil prices for everyone buying oil from me.
I confirm that deal for giving him Albania and Macedonia.

Obviously Huahin didn't read Layarteb's post about flaming in this thread. It's in RED about three or four pages back, you might want to take a gander at it.



-Hawdawg

When was the last time anyone saw Elephantum?

What did I fucking say? I said anything else after this is going to get reported to the mods and be deleted and you thereby removed from E2. Huahin you had to continue it, you just had to. Hirgy you too. What the fuck is wrong with you goddamn fucking people. You know what, this is how much I care about what the fuck either of you have to say.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477925

I hope all of you look at that thread, this is where I quit playing games. I just spend and hour and forty-five minutes in traffic, in Queens, trying to get to the bridge and to the Bronx, having to piss badly, when it should have only taken me 20 minutes.

When was the last time anyone saw Elephantum?

A couple of posts back he gave away most of his land.

Going to be gone for the next two days or so.

I got one better Layarteb. We were setting in line to enter the Livestock show and had to go really bad. Headed to the Port-a-john and as luck would have it no TP. Damn contractor that provided the unit forgot to leave any when he serviced the unit. Got back in the truck and held it for another 3 hours waiting to get on the fairgrounds so I could crap. Then I pull up to unload and the guy "in charge" in the parking lot has the nerve to say hurry up!

-Hawdawg

Despite what your opinion is on the spelling of it, it is accepted both ways so tough. If you have a problem go take it up with Websters.

Scan the page in Websters where it says it.

:-).

Anyways I'm just stating how it is spelled in 85% of the World.

( I'm also anti Russian )

Anyways...

The Irish are great! They are our only cousins in the British Isles that don't seem to be bitching about everything an American does.

Me and Huahin have settled the Kuril Isle Chain 'Conflict'.

As of now, we are going to form agreements on a DMZ if any is needed. I'll post who got what, and he can state his opinion if any if it seems as if I coppied down wrong.

Haw, Lay, try school toilets. Y'all aren't too old to remember those places right?
TP was like a damm luxury. You'd be lucky if you came out of those johns without some disease.

Lay, I need some info regarding the Operation Dammerung thread. I'd like to make a post where I execute some of Pantheaa's terrorists that I have captured etc. But since he is D13, I was wondering if its ok if I do it?

Haw, Lay, try school toilets. Y'all aren't too old to remember those places right?
TP was like a damm luxury. You'd be lucky if you came out of those johns without some disease.

Lay, I need some info regarding the Operation Dammerung thread. I'd like to make a post where I execute some of Pantheaa's terrorists that I have captured etc. But since he is D13, I was wondering if its ok if I do it?

What school toliet? I was sitting in traffic.

No, you misunderstood. Haw was saying how bad those blue portable toilets were, I was saying that school ones were ten times worse.

No, you misunderstood. Haw was saying how bad those blue portable toilets were, I was saying that school ones were ten times worse.

Oh...yeah...HS toliets were nasty. College, they weren't bad at ALL!

Ah chooo...

10,000!

So do you think I can make a post on the Op Dammerung thread? The post I wrote about above?

So do you think I can make a post on the Op Dammerung thread? The post I wrote about above?

Given his D13 it would be inappropriate. I'd just wait the week until he's back.

Ok, cheers.

No, you misunderstood. Haw was saying how bad those blue portable toilets were, I was saying that school ones were ten times worse.

Yea...

I'm sitting in my School Library with the really bad urge to go shyte my self...

Worst thing is I'm in Highschool.

This can only mean one thing...

Gotta wait the entire day to get home...

Bad news is...

I have to walk home...

And I am NOT going to risk taking a shit here...hell no...I'd rather risk it with a Liberian Prostitute.

LMAO, glad I'm not at school anymore. College ain't so bad.

Scan the page in Websters where it says it.

:-).

Anyways I'm just stating how it is spelled in 85% of the World.

( I'm also anti Russian )

Anyways...

The Irish are great! They are our only cousins in the British Isles that don't seem to be bitching about everything an American does.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Kurile%20Islands

:Don't have a scanner:

Random House Webster's College Dictionary, 1991, page 753

Ku'rile (or Ku'ril) Islands n.pl. a chain of small islands off the NE coast of Asia, extending from N Japan to the S tip of Kamchatka: renounced by Japan in 1945; under Soviet administration

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Temp/HPIM0486.JPG

Bjorn + Hirg - check forums.