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Blast!!! Blastblastblast! Stupid 30 Second Rule!!!!

So close yet so far away.

Did I get it??!??!


EAT THAT!!!

RAWRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

:upyours:

I crack myself up.

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In the semi-spirit of this page:

"The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes. "Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you. WE HAVE KILLED HIM - you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, foreward, in all direction? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light candles in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition? Gods, too, decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him."

Learn it, know it, memorize it even if, no especially if you don't believe it.

No offence to anyone, but how could you NOT know it's Friedrich Nietzsche? That's only his most famous quote.

Damnit, I missed it. Was TGing ppl...

No offence to anyone, but how could you NOT know it's Friedrich Nietzsche? That's only his most famous quote.

James was definitely try to play that off for a while.

No offence to anyone, but how could you NOT know it's Friedrich Nietzsche? That's only his most famous quote.
I knew, I study the man...quite a loon in my opinion oh well..

Him and Kierkegaard are some of my favorites.

Him and Kierkegaard are some of my favorites.

Personally I like Machiavelli above all. Von Clausewitz is great too.

I knew, I study the man...quite a loon in my opinion oh well..

Yerffej didn't...

You know, I think Nietzche is pretty bright...once you get past the whole "God is dead" thing you'll realize it's a bright statement...we *did* "kill him" though I believe it's because we "forgot" about him (I believe because of materialism but I don't want to delve into it too far). It's like John Lennon's quote, "the Beatles are bigger than Jesus"- taken WAY out of context, because the original quote slammed the idea because it's materialistic.

Yerffej didn't...

You know, I think Nietzche is pretty bright...once you get past the whole "God is dead" thing you'll realize it's a bright statement...we *did* "kill him" though I believe it's because we "forgot" about him (I believe because of materialism but I don't want to delve into it too far). It's like John Lennon's quote, "the Beatles are bigger than Jesus"- taken WAY out of context, because the original quote slammed the idea because it's materialistic.
Yeah I know he is petty bright, buts it that stuff about super man and etc..that is a bit out there in my opinon.

Yeah his ubermensch is a bit much, but his critiques are superb and rather humourus if one can take it with a bit of grace.

I am transfering the Chechen Republic & Krasnodor Krai to Ottoman Khaif.

I thought you were gonna have a massacre up in Chechnya. I guess you're just not that evil as you'd like us to think.

Thats gonna cost you...

How does 1 Million $$ sound? Refuelling can de done by Civilian ships if you'd prefer?

Also, I suspect most of those ships are nuclear powered right? Meaning they don't need to refuel...

Sure, and i don't need fuel as much as i need food supplies.

I thought you were gonna have a massacre up in Chechnya. I guess you're just not that evil as you'd like us to think.

That was Kaliningrad. I never had any plans for it.

I remember you did say you were going to do something blood and gutsy then you got Chechnya.

I remember you did say you were going to do something blood and gutsy then you got Chechnya.

Figures...I forgot...

Yeah I know he is petty bright, buts it that stuff about super man and etc..that is a bit out there in my opinon.

Didn't know about "superman"...I only really knew the "God is dead" statement...but these are philosophers. They're paid to be idealists.

Didn't know about "superman"...I only really knew the "God is dead" statement...but these are philosophers. They're paid to be idealists.

Nietzsche was against idealism, including the Hegelian form that was engulfing Germany and partly responsible or perhaps lead up to the nationalistic squabbling seen during the late 19th century and 20th century.

Yerffej didn't...

Uh, I was joking.

Uh, I was joking.

Ah....

You trying to say something? *quizzical eyes*

Nietzsche was against idealism, including the Hegelian form that was engulfing Germany and partly responsible or perhaps lead up to the nationalistic squabbling seen during the late 19th century and 20th century.

How did Nietzche do that? Nationalism *is* idealistic. Did he not put forth a new worldview?

I got it Yerffej

I meant he was against idealism, including the idealism of nationalism present in Hegelian philosophy.

And he did it by writing books.

I got it Yerffej

I meant he was against idealism, including the idealism of nationalism present in Hegelian philosophy.

Oh? Am I missing something? (I don't get it....)

I'm very confused right now, what did the original question mean?

Well....

1) Yerffej said he was joking by saying the quote was from Alexader Hamilton. I'm just curious about the joke.

2) You said Nietzche helped further nationalism. What views of his furthered nationalism?

Well....

1) Yerffej said he was joking by saying the quote was from Alexader Hamilton. I'm just curious about the joke.

2) You said Nietzche helped further nationalism. What views of his furthered nationalism?

Nietzsche was against idealism, including the Hegelian form that was engulfing Germany and partly responsible or perhaps lead up to the nationalistic squabbling seen during the late 19th century and 20th century.

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Nietzsche was against idealism, including the Hegelian form that was engulfing Germany. This Hegelian idealism was partly responsible or perhaps lead up to the nationalistic squabbling seen during the late 19th century and 20th century.

By partly responsible I was talking about the Hegelian idealism that was responsible, not Nietzsche, think that's where confusion was.

Look a healthy, non-OOC insulting debate. GOOD! FINALLY!

I've been drinking tonight :)

Look a healthy, non-OOC insulting debate. GOOD! FINALLY!

I've been drinking tonight :)

WHAT!!!??? I won't stand for it! It's unorthodox!

*gets out philisophical wrestling suit*
*lights chest on fire and bashes beer-bottles over chest taunting random viewers*

WHAT!!!??? I won't stand for it! It's unorthodox!

*gets out philisophical wrestling suit*
*lights chest on fire and bashes beer-bottles over chest taunting random viewers*

Yeah...

Yeah, been drinking tonight too, more crazy than normal...

Yeah, been drinking tonight too, more crazy than normal...

I know. I don't drink.

What? Thought you just said you did.

Got myself some pear-schnaaps all the way from Germany and some Flat Tire for later. Makes me happy.

By partly responsible I was talking about the Hegelian idealism that was responsible, not Nietzsche, think that's where confusion was.

Ah...I see. Yeah, I confused that one.

I also found this about Nietzsche, not sure if it's true (it's from Wikipedia):

"One of the main themes in Nietzsche's work is that ancient Roman society was grounded in master morality, and that this morality disappeared as the slave morality of Christianity spread through ancient Rome. Nietzsche was concerned with the state of European culture during his lifetime and therefore focused much of his analysis on the history of master and slave morality within Europe. Occasional references, however, also suggest that he meant these terms to be applied to other societies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzche#Master_morality_and_slave_morality

I can see from the article anyway that Nietzsche was no friend of democracy, because he believes the masses were too weak to make decisions; and, while I'd agree with him that the transformation of the Empire from a quasi-liberal society to a Christian theocracy helped destroy the (RL) Western Roman Empire, I disagree with his logic. He says it happened because the Western Roman Empire became "slaves" and were no longer strong, yet the West's theocratic years are also the most autocratic the Western Empire had ever been, plus the Byzantine Empire- the Eastern Roman Empire- survived for a good thousand years afterward as a Christian state (I argue it never feel, but that's a different story). He doesn't sound like he knows that much about Rome- in fact, he probably sounds like the majority of people who write off the Romans as "people who turned Christians into lion feed". :rolleyes:

Look a healthy, non-OOC insulting debate. GOOD! FINALLY!

I've been drinking tonight. :)

No, wait! F%^& Bjornoya! F%^& Layarteb! *explodes into rage*

Cymrea and I have agreed to the following split of British Columbia:

www.geocities.com/dadothegreat2003/BCDistricts.png

Cymrea confirms the gracious grant by RomeW; north central Roman Columbia is my Golden Ticket, baby!

I will be changing some of the RL names, to be included in my forthcoming factbook.

Congrats on 10k posts guys. Damn you for getting them while I was asleep....! :p

What? Thought you just said you did.

Got myself some pear-schnaaps all the way from Germany and some Flat Tire for later. Makes me happy.

I drink VERY rarely.

Cymrea confirms the gracious grant by RomeW; north central Roman Columbia is my Golden Ticket, baby!

I will be changing some of the RL names, to be included in my forthcoming factbook.

You are dragonsforge though. Who is Cymrea?

Ah...I see. Yeah, I confused that one.

I also found this about Nietzsche, not sure if it's true (it's from Wikipedia):

"One of the main themes in Nietzsche's work is that ancient Roman society was grounded in master morality, and that this morality disappeared as the slave morality of Christianity spread through ancient Rome. Nietzsche was concerned with the state of European culture during his lifetime and therefore focused much of his analysis on the history of master and slave morality within Europe. Occasional references, however, also suggest that he meant these terms to be applied to other societies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Nietzche#Master_morality_and_slave_morality

I can see from the article anyway that Nietzsche was no friend of democracy, because he believes the masses were too weak to make decisions; and, while I'd agree with him that the transformation of the Empire from a quasi-liberal society to a Christian theocracy helped destroy the (RL) Western Roman Empire, I disagree with his logic. He says it happened because the Western Roman Empire became "slaves" and were no longer strong, yet the West's theocratic years are also the most autocratic the Western Empire had ever been, plus the Byzantine Empire- the Eastern Roman Empire- survived for a good thousand years afterward as a Christian state (I argue it never feel, but that's a different story). He doesn't sound like he knows that much about Rome- in fact, he probably sounds like the majority of people who write off the Romans as "people who turned Christians into lion feed". :rolleyes:


Nietzsche was not talking about political power, he despised many politicians including one of my other favorites from the time Bismark.

He was talking about the strength of the will of the Roman people. In the books I read he did not so much compare Roman master morality to Christian slave morality but Greek master morality to Christian slave morality.

He looks at what the values were within the master morality: power, strength, pride, justice, Aristotalean hierarchy and contrasts them to the values held within the slave mentality: weakness, humility, mercy, universal equality.

The emergance of Christianity and the seductiveness of its values, not the amount of power vested in the ruler is what he argues made the Romans weak.

I wouldn't underestimate Nietzsche, and that article only makes a few brief sentences on what he thought about Rome. For a further evaluation of his view on the history of ethics I would suggest 'On the Genealogy of Morals,' short book and far more in depth than I can easily write about.

Hey Lay, could you put me as D13 for 1 week ta

Von Clausewitz kicks ass, got my copy of 'On War' in NYC, at the Borders near the NYSE, its this oldy looking hardbook, and its like back-front and upside down, kind of a secretive book, probably a printing mistake, but cool nonetheless.

Pushka, how do you want to do this resupply?

You are dragonsforge though. Who is Cymrea?
Cymrea is the name he's using in Earth II.

Ottoman Khaif has agreed to sell me Krasnodar for 400 Million.

(Also, Lay, Reagonica still hasn't confirmed that deal we made ages ago regarding Mozambique and his land in Antarctica, what should I do? I sent him a TG and got nothing and then asked him to reply here, again I got nothing.)

Ottoman Khaif has agreed to sell me Krasnodar for 400 Million.

(Also, Lay, Reagonica still hasn't confirmed that deal we made ages ago regarding Mozambique and his land in Antarctica, what should I do? I sent him a TG and got nothing and then asked him to reply here, again I got nothing.)
I confirm this deal.

I don't think this ever got posted.

I get: All Bjorn's Pacific lands (minus Kangaroo Island) and $200B

Bjorn gets: Tanzania

You are dragonsforge though. Who is Cymrea?

Cymrea is the name he's using for Earth II:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10400013&highlight=I've%20created%20a%20new%20nation%20that%20I%20will%20be%20using%20specifically%20for%20Ea rth%20II%20called%20Cymrea#post10400013

Nietzsche was not talking about political power, he despised many politicians including one of my other favorites from the time Bismark.

He was talking about the strength of the will of the Roman people. In the books I read he did not so much compare Roman master morality to Christian slave morality but Greek master morality to Christian slave morality.

He looks at what the values were within the master morality: power, strength, pride, justice, Aristotalean hierarchy and contrasts them to the values held within the slave mentality: weakness, humility, mercy, universal equality.

The emergance of Christianity and the seductiveness of its values, not the amount of power vested in the ruler is what he argues made the Romans weak.

I wouldn't underestimate Nietzsche, and that article only makes a few brief sentences on what he thought about Rome. For a further evaluation of his view on the history of ethics I would suggest 'On the Genealogy of Morals,' short book and far more in depth than I can easily write about.

I'm starting to see it now, although I still find it a bit simplistic (though mind you, I haven't read the book). Still, though, the Romans also valued universal equality- read what they write about the Emperors. You'll find every "good" one valued equality and fairness, and every "bad" one were despots who only pleased themselves. Sure, it's not reality but it's a great insight into the thoughts of the Roman people themselves, and it's personally shocking to see how congruent their thought patterns are to our own.

Cymrea is the name he's using for Earth II:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10400013&highlight=I've%20created%20a%20new%20nation%20that%20I%20will%20be%20using%20specifically%20for%20Ea rth%20II%20called%20Cymrea#post10400013



I'm starting to see it now, although I still find it a bit simplistic (though mind you, I haven't read the book). Still, though, the Romans also valued universal equality- read what they write about the Emperors. You'll find every "good" one valued equality and fairness, and every "bad" one were despots who only pleased themselves. Sure, it's not reality but it's a great insight into the thoughts of the Roman people themselves, and it's personally shocking to see how congruent their thought patterns are to our own.

My explanation was simple, no reflections on his work. To say Nietzsche thought slave morality was bad and master morality was good is a gross over simplification, but that is how Nietzsche is generally presented sadly. Much of his thought was devoted to finding a way to be ammoral, or to not have morals which in my opinion is impossible by my definition of morality. 'Beyond Good and Evil,' Nietzsche brought into question the belief in opposite values and if they exist. We over simplify everything by finding an opposite, making things into either/or decisions and Nietzsche wonders if opposites even exists, and if they don't how to communicate or think without them.

Nietzsche despised the ideal of equality and thought it degrading to superior peoples. He saw countless times where the masses felt threatened by a superior person and out of fear would attempt to drag that person back into equality. His attack was against the ideals of the heard and their castrating effects on those who strove to be better, to be superior, and to rise above.

I'll not sure how far the Romans went but I do remember they took a while to incorporate others on the Italian peninsula as Roman citizens. Nietzsche concentrated more on the times when the Romans held more Aristocratic views like the Greeks.

Its hard to talk about Nietzsche's works but to incorporate different parts of history and this 'big picture' is rather difficult, Nietzsche concentrated more on individual pre-existensialist issues where talking about the strength of power of a nation would confusing since his view of power is so far different than normal.

Kreynoria']I don't think this ever got posted.

I get: All Bjorn's Pacific lands (minus Kangaroo Island) and $200B

Bjorn gets: Tanzania

I'm keeping naval bases in New Caledonia and W. & Futuna.

Confimred

Tonga, Tuvalu, Wallis and Futuna, Kiribati, and New Caledonia for the rest of Tanzania.

Oh yeah Lay, Sierra Leone went to Neuvo Rica.

Did I get it??!??!


EAT THAT!!!

RAWRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

:upyours:

10000th post created by my arch nemesis. Life is just unfair.

Firstly, this is so not E20. This is EII, E(2), E - two

Secondly, you gotta contact Elephantum.

Yes I know, Ottoman Khaif is (or was) from E20 and just completed talking to NSParthini.

And yes (if you looked) I asked Elaphantum a long time ago and he has been agreeing for a long time.

My explanation was simple, no reflections on his work. To say Nietzsche thought slave morality was bad and master morality was good is a gross over simplification, but that is how Nietzsche is generally presented sadly. Much of his thought was devoted to finding a way to be ammoral, or to not have morals which in my opinion is impossible by my definition of morality. 'Beyond Good and Evil,' Nietzsche brought into question the belief in opposite values and if they exist. We over simplify everything by finding an opposite, making things into either/or decisions and Nietzsche wonders if opposites even exists, and if they don't how to communicate or think without them.

Nietzsche despised the ideal of equality and thought it degrading to superior peoples. He saw countless times where the masses felt threatened by a superior person and out of fear would attempt to drag that person back into equality. His attack was against the ideals of the heard and their castrating effects on those who strove to be better, to be superior, and to rise above.

I'll not sure how far the Romans went but I do remember they took a while to incorporate others on the Italian peninsula as Roman citizens. Nietzsche concentrated more on the times when the Romans held more Aristocratic views like the Greeks.

Its hard to talk about Nietzsche's works but to incorporate different parts of history and this 'big picture' is rather difficult, Nietzsche concentrated more on individual pre-existensialist issues where talking about the strength of power of a nation would confusing since his view of power is so far different than normal.

So Nietzsche was all about the "deeper meaning" and how nothing's "black and white". Sounds like my kind of guy, because I'd agree. He also sounds like a cynical man, like he'd been bumped from power- perhaps that's where the whole "herd" thing comes from.

As far as the Romans themselves were concerned, yes, it took Rome 600 years to grant the Italians full Roman citizenship but it also took Rome 500 to take all of Italy, so yes, it did take the Romans a while to grant the Italians citizenship. Furthermore, the idea of citizenship wasn't static in the Roman Empire- looking at Roman history you'll see that they were very adept at changing if they had to, which is why they extended citizenship twice- in 91 BC to the rest of Italy and in 212 to the rest of the Empire. Plus, the Romans had always recognized the idea of "partial citizenship", as they allowed their conquered peoples to have extensive rights even though it wasn't up to the standard of full Roman citizenship (though this changed as citizenship was extended with the later decrees).

Yes, the Empire did not have "equality" as we know it today, but let's not forget that what equality means today was nowhere near what it meant back then. To the Romans, anyone outside of Rome were barbarians who didn't deserve full rights unless they earned it. Still, though, the fact that they recognized such a concept is quite telling, and the fact that they extended citizenship points to that recognition.

So Nietzsche was all about the "deeper meaning" and how nothing's "black and white". Sounds like my kind of guy, because I'd agree. He also sounds like a cynical man, like he'd been bumped from power- perhaps that's where the whole "herd" thing comes from.

As far as the Romans themselves were concerned, yes, it took Rome 600 years to grant the Italians full Roman citizenship but it also took Rome 500 to take all of Italy, so yes, it did take the Romans a while to grant the Italians citizenship. Furthermore, the idea of citizenship wasn't static in the Roman Empire- looking at Roman history you'll see that they were very adept at changing if they had to, which is why they extended citizenship twice- in 91 BC to the rest of Italy and in 212 to the rest of the Empire. Plus, the Romans had always recognized the idea of "partial citizenship", as they allowed their conquered peoples to have extensive rights even though it wasn't up to the standard of full Roman citizenship (though this changed as citizenship was extended with the later decrees).

Yes, the Empire did not have "equality" as we know it today, but let's not forget that what equality means today was nowhere near what it meant back then. To the Romans, anyone outside of Rome were barbarians who didn't deserve full rights unless they earned it. Still, though, the fact that they recognized such a concept is quite telling, and the fact that they extended citizenship points to that recognition.

Nietzsche is not a 'deeper meaning' kinda person, he's just deep. Meaning or the metaphysical meaning of 'meaning' was rejected by Nietzsche. As for cynical, I wouldn't say that. Critical, not cynical, he undermined social norms but did not replace them with this 'man is a disgusting, lieing, worthless beast' pessimistic mentality of cynics but a 'man is a beautiful, lieing, powerful beast.' He hated pessimism, resentment, and nihilism. I could best sum his unusual joy up I think in these quote, "The overman is one who has organized the chaos of his passions, given style to his character, and become creative. Aware of life’s terrors, he affirms life without resentment." or "The greatest expression of the will to power is to not only be at peace with what was and what is, but to want what was and what is repeated for all eternity." For ancient philosophers I would tie him more to Heraclitus.

I'm reading an essay by Tocqueville about how to balance equality and liberty in a healthy society, and I can feel the Nietzschen part of me wanting to tear the argument to pieces.

If anyone in the Pacific is interested, Azimeth would be interested in buying islands or land around the area.

Is it just me or someone, I can't log into the E2 forums...its werid..btw anyone selling any Central Asia, Far East, Middle East or North Africa lands...I am interested in buying it...

Anyone interested in the Pitcarin Islands in the Pacific?

Also willing to buy sums of land.
Lets make a Deal.

Anybody willing to sell some land no matter how small anythere in the world away from Russia? Pacific or Indian ocean seem nice, but anything else will be nice too. Money is not the problem as long as the offer is reasonable, infact i'll also give you production rights for Ko-1 and the new Air to Air missile i am designing.

Anyone interested in the Pitcarin Islands in the Pacific?

Also willing to buy sums of land.
Lets make a Deal.

Talk with Kreynoria, might be able to get Djibouti for them, just a thought.

Nietzsche is not a 'deeper meaning' kinda person, he's just deep. Meaning or the metaphysical meaning of 'meaning' was rejected by Nietzsche. As for cynical, I wouldn't say that. Critical, not cynical, he undermined social norms but did not replace them with this 'man is a disgusting, lieing, worthless beast' pessimistic mentality of cynics but a 'man is a beautiful, lieing, powerful beast.' He hated pessimism, resentment, and nihilism. I could best sum his unusual joy up I think in these quote, "The overman is one who has organized the chaos of his passions, given style to his character, and become creative. Aware of life’s terrors, he affirms life without resentment." or "The greatest expression of the will to power is to not only be at peace with what was and what is, but to want what was and what is repeated for all eternity." For ancient philosophers I would tie him more to Heraclitus.

I'm reading an essay by Tocqueville about how to balance equality and liberty in a healthy society, and I can feel the Nietzschen part of me wanting to tear the argument to pieces.

He still seems like someone who got burned...I mean, why else would he think "the herd" holds him back? Granted, it could be an observation, but to make statements like he does about "herds" there had to have been some bitterness involved. I can tell he probably didn't work well with people, especially if he believes they just hinder his abilities (because he probably thought he was smart).

I found the Genealogy of Morals online...I'll take a look at it.

He still seems like someone who got burned...I mean, why else would he think "the herd" holds him back? Granted, it could be an observation, but to make statements like he does about "herds" there had to have been some bitterness involved. I can tell he probably didn't work well with people, especially if he believes they just hinder his abilities (because he probably thought he was smart).

I found the Genealogy of Morals online...I'll take a look at it.

I don't know much about his biography, I do know his father was a priest who died when he was young, and I know he served in the Prussian military during the Franco-Prussian as a medic and hated it. He was very anti-social and isolated. A quote from him, apparently was on his door:

"I live in my own place
have never copied nobody even half,
and at any master who lacks the grace
to laugh at himself—I laugh."

I am only speculating but from some of his personal experience he may have gotten his hatred of the heard from the Germans who put him into that war, were fueled by religious and nationalisitic collectivism that he hated, and gave birth to some of his most disliked people: Hegel, Kant, dozens of anti-Semites, and later Wagner whom he initially admired. But even before this he was very much against utilitarianism as a philosopher so perhaps he was naturally like this.

He didn't think the heard was holding him back, but saw the heard trying to hold great men back. Despite his pride he did not think of himself as an ubermensch. It was not that the heard was attacking him, but that the heard was devaluating, was castrating life in general.

He was very sickly, as I recall some think he died from complications due to syphillis from a visit to a single prostitute (a lesson to all philosophers). Another itneresting tidbit; some think he was in love with his sister whom he wrote about but I doubt the claim from what I've read, but I'm no master on thsi subject.

RomeW and Bjornoya by any chance do you guys have AIM or MSN, I would like to speak to on online.

RomeW and Bjornoya by any chance do you guys have AIM or MSN, I would like to speak to on online.

TGed

I don't know much about his biography, I do know his father was a priest who died when he was young, and I know he served in the Prussian military during the Franco-Prussian as a medic and hated it. He was very anti-social and isolated. A quote from him, apparently was on his door:

"I live in my own place
have never copied nobody even half,
and at any master who lacks the grace
to laugh at himself—I laugh."

I am only speculating but from some of his personal experience he may have gotten his hatred of the heard from the Germans who put him into that war, were fueled by religious and nationalisitic collectivism that he hated, and gave birth to some of his most disliked people: Hegel, Kant, dozens of anti-Semites, and later Wagner whom he initially admired. But even before this he was very much against utilitarianism as a philosopher so perhaps he was naturally like this.

He didn't think the heard was holding him back, but saw the heard trying to hold great men back. Despite his pride he did not think of himself as an ubermensch. It was not that the heard was attacking him, but that the heard was devaluating, was castrating life in general.

He was very sickly, as I recall some think he died from complications due to syphillis from a visit to a single prostitute (a lesson to all philosophers). Another itneresting tidbit; some think he was in love with his sister whom he wrote about but I doubt the claim from what I've read, but I'm no master on thsi subject.

It's quite possible he never called himself the ubermensch because he didn't want to come across as pompous, but most likely he did hold at least his abilities in high regard. This could also be why he didn't say the herd was specifically holding him back- since he wanted "the herd" to read it, the last thing he wanted was for the herd to read that he didn't like them because then they'd just write him off as "having an axe to grind". He sounds like he was very subtle in his thought process and way of thinking.

RomeW and Bjornoya by any chance do you guys have AIM or MSN, I would like to speak to on online.
I have MSN, but I will be going to bed soon. Can I ask what it is about?

I have MSN, but I will be going to bed soon. Can I ask what it is about?
Oh nothing just to say hello and etc, maybe set up some treaties..who knows.

It's quite possible he never called himself the ubermensch because he didn't want to come across as pompous, but most likely he did hold at least his abilities in high regard. This could also be why he didn't say the herd was specifically holding him back- since he wanted "the herd" to read it, the last thing he wanted was for the herd to read that he didn't like them because then they'd just write him off as "having an axe to grind". He sounds like he was very subtle in his thought process and way of thinking.

He knew who his audience was and he didn't write for the masses nor did he want them to making his writing some of the most honest I've seen. And trust me he was openly pompous (Ecce Homo: essay titles, 'Why I am so Clever', 'Why I am so Wise', 'Why I am a Destiny') He did not publish many books and only sold a few to a handful of very educated ppl during the time in contrast to say Marx who took it upon himself to spread his ideology to the masses. Nietzsche knew the masses could not be changed from their addiction to belief and trying to convince them of anything would require the same seductive lies as those of Socrates and Jesus (two words he often attacked in his writings 'belief' and 'conviction'). As a philosopher he would not do such a thing.

Oh nothing just to say hello and etc, maybe set up some treaties..who knows.

OK.

I can TG it to you...just won't be able to talk tonight.

He knew who his audience was and he didn't write for the masses nor did he want them to making his writing some of the most honest I've seen. And trust me he was openly pompous (Ecce Homo: essay titles, 'Why I am so Clever', 'Why I am so Wise', 'Why I am a Destiny') He did not publish many books and only sold a few to a handful of very educated ppl during the time in contrast to say Marx who took it upon himself to spread his ideology to the masses. Nietzsche knew the masses could not be changed from their addiction to belief and trying to convince them of anything would require the same seductive lies as those of Socrates and Jesus (two words he often attacked in his writings 'belief' and 'conviction'). As a philosopher he would not do such a thing.

Still...does a philosopher who wants other educated folk- who were probably all pompous to begin with- want to appear too confident in his abilities? That would just invite criticism and maybe it wouldn't stick as well.

Still...does a philosopher who wants other educated folk- who were probably all pompous to begin with- want to appear too confident in his abilities? That would just invite criticism and maybe it wouldn't stick as well.

He wasn't trying to convince or change anyone, and he had every right to be pompous, he recieved a professorship at a very young age 25 years old I believe.
And he did not even teach philosophy, he tought philology. I have no doubt that he wanted criticism, he loved the thrill of the fight but choose words instead, "Courageous, untroubled, mocking, and violent that is what Wisdom wants us to be. Wisdom is a woman, and loves only a warrior."

He wasn't trying to convince or change anyone, and he had every right to be pompous, he recieved a professorship at a very young age 25 years old I believe.
And he did not even teach philosophy, he tought philology. I have no doubt that he wanted criticism, he loved the thrill of the fight but choose words instead, "Courageous, untroubled, mocking, and violent that is what Wisdom wants us to be. Wisdom is a woman, and loves only a warrior."

Yeah, but if he called himself the "ubermensch" wouldn't that be a little *too* pompous? I mean, if he got up there he would just be written off- people wouldn't waste their time with him.

Yeah, but if he called himself the "ubermensch" wouldn't that be a little *too* pompous? I mean, if he got up there he would just be written off- people wouldn't waste their time with him.

I simply don't think he cared what his readers thought of him, he didn't care what the majority of people thought of him so why should he care in his books? He was deeply insulting to many groups of people; Jews, Germans, and British, and women in particular. Many people would write him off anyway. He was not very well known during his time and almost forgotten for a while. I don't know when he was revitalized but it was after hsi death that he became acknowledged.

Ok, for example Thus Spake Zarathustra, one of his publications consisted of 40 or so books. I think similarly the most books he got sold was in the hundreds range.

So the argument is this: Nietzsche didn't call himself an ubermensch, you speculate its because of public interpretation. I say he was being honest: as for why he would not consider himself an ubermensch I would go back to his 'Will to Power.' He thought the celibate life was for the weak, and he himself is believed to have only had sex with a prostitute. He also thought the ubermensch would through away certain types of reasoning and logic that he held and used. The ubermensch would not be as intelligent as he was, but would be more creative than he was.

I simply don't think he cared what his readers thought of him, he didn't care what the majority of people thought of him so why should he care in his books? He was deeply insulting to many groups of people; Jews, Germans, and British, and women in particular. Many people would write him off anyway. He was not very well known during his time and almost forgotten for a while. I don't know when he was revitalized but it was after hsi death that he became acknowledged.

Ok, for example Thus Spake Zarathustra, one of his publications consisted of 40 or so books. I think similarly the most books he got sold was in the hundreds range.

So the argument is this: Nietzsche didn't call himself an ubermensch, you speculate its because of public interpretation. I say he was being honest: as for why he would not consider himself an ubermensch I would go back to his 'Will to Power.' He thought the celibate life was for the weak, and he himself is believed to have only had sex with a prostitute. He also thought the ubermensch would through away certain types of reasoning and logic that he held and used. The ubermensch would not be as intelligent as he was, but would be more creative than he was.

Maybe he didn't want the attention...if he called himself the "ubermensch" he'd get attention. I don't know...I just think it'd be odd if he described a "superman" then said it was him. Plus, if he did, in fact, call himself "superman" people would expect it of him and he wouldn't want to have to uphold that.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467930

Those of you who are interested in my country / watching it might find this interesting. A new branch of the military exposed to the world. Happy reading!

OK-How about Lebanon?

Anybody willing to sell some land no matter how small anythere in the world away from Russia? Pacific or Indian ocean seem nice, but anything else will be nice too. Money is not the problem as long as the offer is reasonable, infact i'll also give you production rights for Ko-1 and the new Air to Air missile i am designing.

This post of mine got buryied.

Maybe he didn't want the attention...if he called himself the "ubermensch" he'd get attention. I don't know...I just think it'd be odd if he described a "superman" then said it was him. Plus, if he did, in fact, call himself "superman" people would expect it of him and he wouldn't want to have to uphold that.

This would require a very in depth discussion of what he meant by the ubermensh which I am not completely qualified to undertake as my readings are generally from his earlier years and I'm only half-way through Der Wille zur Macht.

To avoid attention, perhaps but again he knew exactly who his audience was, who would be buying his books on a first name basis. I seriously doubt he gave a second thought to how his audience would take his work but instead focussed more on his own thought. My proof would be the countless times he pokes fun of himself and the fact that so many of the people he criticized and thought about never read nor never would read his books. I doubt he would've cared about upholding any expectations of him by his readers.

Brink, I would be willing to buy your island chain in the Pacific for a moderate to high price.

Puskha: What is the KO-1 like? I might be interested.

I am here to confirm the deal with Hirgizstan, which is basically 60 trillion for my antartica and mozambique.

Open Communicae

The Republic would like to purchase new territory to help house its ever growing population as our traditional lands are reaching bursting point.

OK-How about Lebanon?
Sure, I'll take Lebanon from you, what's the price you want for it.

Okay we are in need of an update. I hope to get to it tonight, I don't have anything going on, another great Valentine's Day huh?

Kreynoria']Puskha: What is the KO-1 like? I might be interested.

Ko-1 is a multipurpose remote controll vehicle. Here are the stats/write up for Ko-1 i can also give you Production rights for Mish-11 archangel:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=454735

Eines Tages werde ich die Grenzen von meinen Begrenzungen überwinden und werde in jeder Bemühung gelingen, die ich wünsche.

Eines Tages werde ich die Grenzen von meinen Begrenzungen überwinden und werde in jeder Bemühung gelingen, die ich wünsche.
Warum wünscht Sie dass denn? Antwortet Sie bitte.

Warum wünscht Sie dass denn? Antwortet Sie bitte.

Ich wünsche, dass das die Qual beendet, die ich täglich ausdauere.

Ich wünsche, dass das die Qual beendet, die ich täglich ausdauere.
Jawohl!

Jamesisms

1. Whilst time is your foe, the fear of the unknown is thine enemy.

2. It's not the translation but rather the interpretation that will decide your course of actions and your future

Warum sprechen wir Deutsch? Warum Lay klingt so traurig? Wir sollten alle gluecklich sein! Und wuenschen, dass das Ende des Kreigs zwischen TOA und Russland bald sein wird. Ich will keinen Kreig ;)

Warum sprechen wir Deutsch? Warum Lay klingt so traurig? Wir sollten alle gluecklich sein! Und wuenschen, dass das Ende des Kreigs zwischen TOA und Russland bald sein wird. Ich will keinen Kreig ;)

Krieg ist ist ich und ich Krieg. Und erblickt, ein blasses Pferd, und er, der darauf gesessen hat, war sein Name Tod. Hades hat mit ihm gefolgt. Autorität über einem Viertel von der Erde, mit dem Schwert zu töten, mit Hungersnot, mit Tod, und durch die wilden Tiere von der Erde wurde zu ihm gegeben.

Ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch. Ich bin in meine zwei jahre im Amerikanisch "high school". Es ist mach spass. =]

Enough of this Aryan jibberish, though. ;)

Das kenn' ich nicht. Was ist die Quelle des Zitats?

Das kenn' ich nicht. Was ist die Quelle des Zitats?

Die Quelle ist, was Sie entdecken müssen. Bedenken Sie es ist vielleicht eine der größten literarischen Arbeiten aller Zeiten. Ich habe keine Rücksicht darauf über die Liebe von einem bloßen Buch gestellt.

Ah, die Quellen!

Warum sprechen wir Deutsch? Warum Lay klingt so traurig? Wir sollten alle gluecklich sein! Und wuenschen, dass das Ende des Kreigs zwischen TOA und Russland bald sein wird. Ich will keinen Kreig ;)

You say what about me?

Господа вы звери.

Mein Kampf. Es ist nicht nur mit Kreig zu tun sondern auch auf Deutsch...Ich geh' entdecken...

Warum sind wir Sprechen deutsch?

Gott ist Liebe
Gott ist Tot
Liebe ist Tot

Ich bin gescheit
:D

You say what about me?

Господа вы звери.

Если Вы думаете, что мы - животные тогда сэр, Вы очень ошибаетесь.

OK: Du sprichst Deutsch wie einen Englischsprecher :p

Gott ist Liebe
Gott ist Tot
Liebe ist Tot

Ich bin gescheit
:D

Ich bin Tod, das Zerstörer der Welten geworden

Ich bin Tod, das Zerstörer der Welten geworden

Ich möchte Tod sein

:(

Ich möchte Tod sein

:(

Warum Tod ist, wenn Sie keine geistige Gesundheit, kein Mitleid, und kein Gefühl haben? Welche Menschheit es ist, unter solchen Bedingungen zu haben?

Warum Tod ist, wenn Sie keine geistige Gesundheit, kein Mitleid, und kein Gefühl haben? Welche Menschheit es ist, unter solchen Bedingungen zu haben?

der Wille zur Macht, und nichts ausserdem?

Ich weiß nicht

Uh hum, kindly convert back to English so I can understand.

;)

Oh yeah, the blurb about Mien Kampf, one of the hardest books to read I have ever picked up. I get pissed off so much at it, I may never finish it.

-Hawdawg

der Wille zur Macht, und nichts ausserdem?

Ich weiß nicht

Mit Kraft kommt Opfer. Wenn Sie lieber Ihre Menschheit, das ein Ding opfern würden, die Sie sich den niemand müssen, kann nehmen aber sich dann Sie wissen nicht, was Sie opfern.

Uh hum, kindly convert back to English so I can understand.

;)

Oh yeah, the blurb about Mien Kampf, one of the hardest books to read I have ever picked up. I get pissed off so much at it, I may never finish it.

-Hawdawg

My quote was not from Mein Kampf. Think older.

When you look high you miss what is low. When you look low you miss what is high. When you look straight ahead you can see the potholes and the birds. You will not be caught off guard when ducking from a bird if you suddenly trip into a pothole.

Another great James-ism.

OK: Du sprichst Deutsch wie einen Englischsprecher :p
sein wegen des Metalls der Ehre...and I pick up a few sayings of German

My quote was not from Mein Kampf. Think older.

Clausewitz?

Okay we are in need of an update. I hope to get to it tonight, I don't have anything going on, another great Valentine's Day huh?


Yeah, it has been. Our meanie lunch supervisor took away our recess equipment, so the gays and lesbians and bis have started a big hug-and-slap war at recess. More of that today. I also managed to get a date to the 7th grade dance, and got to watch a couple of classmates humiliate themselves asking each other out. And we got cookies in science class! A happy Valentine's Day, indeed!

Djibouti for the production rights and say, $20 billion? What say you?

Kreynoria']Yeah, it has been. Our meanie lunch supervisor took away our recess equipment, so the gays and lesbians and bis have started a big hug-and-slap war at recess. More of that today. I also managed to get a date to the 7th grade dance, and got to watch a couple of classmates humiliate themselves asking each other out. And we got cookies in science class! A happy Valentine's Day, indeed!
Wow...recess....I havn't heard that term in years...how I miss it.:(

Legend

Red: General announcements (21-day, decree 12, etc.)
Blue: Response to your posts (claims, threads, etc.)
Green: Service announcements (to all, RPs, etc.)




Claiming: Claiming will no longer be accepted under puppet names. You MUST claim with the nation name that you intend to use. It makes it hard to keep track of and I cannot "100%" verify identity, even if you are telling the truth.
BAN ON CLAIMING FOR A WEEK: You people don't understand how aggrevating it is to have to change claims of a single nation four times within a single edit because you can't make up your goddamn minds. So I don't give a flying fuck what is what for the next week I better not see a claim switch at all. After a week then you can but this is ridiculous sometimes.





Cotland [Post 9839]: Thread added.
Kreynoria [Post 9863]: Quite right.
Spizania [Post 9868]: Land transfered.
Dragonsforge [Post 9872]: Is Cymrea the name or do you intend on using an actual account named "Cymrea."
Varsola [Post 9874]: Confirmed.
Spizania [Post 9892]: Hmmm...okay thread not added.
Spizania [Post 9903]: Not a good start man. I loathe doing multiple map edits like this nature.
Yreffej [Post 9907]: Thread added.
Spizania [Post 9949]: Let me get this straight. You get Phil from Cot, post a thread, something happens, whatever that is, retract the thread, say I give up I don't want to be slaughtered, giving the lands back, and now you are refueling Pushka. Did I miss something because if I have to edit again I am going to suspend all fucking claiming for a week because this has gotten ridiculous. MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MINDS PEOPLE!
RomeW [Post 9953]: Map added. Is there a place that lists the square km for the following counties: British Columbia (Capital), British Columbia (Cariboo), British Columbia (Central Coast), British Columbia (Central Kootenay), British Columbia (Central Okanagan), British Columbia (Columbia-Shuswap), British Columbia (Comox-Strathcona), British Columbia (Cowichan Valley), British Columbia (East Kootenay), British Columbia (Fort Nelson-Liard), British Columbia (Fraser Valley), British Columbia (Fraser-Fort George), British Columbia (Greater Vancouver), British Columbia (Kitimat-Stikine), British Columbia (Kootenay Boundary), British Columbia (Mount Waddington), British Columbia (Nanaimo), British Columbia (North Okanagan), British Columbia (Okanagan-Similkameen), British Columbia (Peace River), British Columbia (Powell River), British Columbia (Skeena-Queen Charlotte), British Columbia (Squamish-Lillooet), British Columbia (Stikine), British Columbia (Sunshine Coast), British Columbia (Thompson-Nicola). For that Queen Charlotte one can you give me the island area separate from the other part? I can't approve any other claims by either of you two until these numbers are inside the system.
Kreynoria [Post 9955]: I will try to do that, please stay tuned to your TGs.
Moorington [Post 9976]: Elephanti Afghanistan yours. You should do an RP though as he requested it.
Pyschotika [Post 9982]: W. Austraila was done ages ago.
NR [Post 10042]: Okay.
Hirgizstan [Post 10045]: Confirmed.
Krey/Bjorn [Post 10050]: Pacific/Tanzania confirmed. Sierra Leone when he approves.
Reagonica [Post 10080]: Confirmed.






Wow I last updated on post 9831. That was a mere 5 1/2 days ago. Quite impressive that we've jumped SO many posts in such a short time. I apologize for not updating sooner. It is not as if I have not updated in ages, the thread has just moved VERY fast (18 pages).

Clausewitz?

Google is your friend.

Lay, grab a cup of coffee and a jelly donut and listen to Piano Man. It'll all work out.

Lay, grab a cup of coffee and a jelly donut and listen to Piano Man. It'll all work out.

Oh I'm serious. This has gone too fucking far. People need to make up their goddamn mind before they post it and if they post it and retract it, edit the fucking post to say that it will switch hands again and give the post # when it does.

Google is your friend.

Yes, yes it is.

Unfortunatelly it failed me this time but I remembered you said you were reading him a while back so put two and two together and got Clausewitz.

Wow, somehow I wasn't entirelly responsible for the land switching frustrations. Speaking of which Sierra Leone got trade to N.R. for Sao Tome and Principe a while back, it got colored that way on the Africa map but just didn't get to him in the claims.

Maybe not the best time to bring it up...

Maybe not the best time to bring it up...

I agree.

Yes, yes it is.

Unfortunatelly it failed me this time but I remembered you said you were reading him a while back so put two and two together and got Clausewitz.

Wow, somehow I wasn't entirelly responsible for the land switching frustrations. Speaking of which Sierra Leone got trade to N.R. for Sao Tome and Principe a while back, it got colored that way on the Africa map but just didn't get to him in the claims.

Maybe not the best time to bring it up...

That's fine. I don't have to touch the maps, just copy & paste in the claims list. Is it fine on the spreadsheet too?

What aggevates me is when someone gets land, I edit. Then someone gets that land. I edit. Then it changes hands again. I lose track of it through the process as I update post-by-post from where I updated. It gets VERY frustrating.

Repetative, meaningless, otherwise avoidable tasks really infuriate the fuck out of me.

That's fine. I don't have to touch the maps, just copy & paste in the claims list. Is it fine on the spreadsheet too?

What aggevates me is when someone gets land, I edit. Then someone gets that land. I edit. Then it changes hands again. I lose track of it through the process as I update post-by-post from where I updated. It gets VERY frustrating.

Repetative, meaningless, otherwise avoidable tasks really infuriate the fuck out of me.

Entirelly understandable, its all good on the spreadsheet so no worries there.

Anybody seen Sin City? I've caught like a half hour of it. There's a half hour left. It looks really good. I like the odd coloring.

Anybody seen Sin City? I've caught like a half hour of it. There's a half hour left. It looks really good. I like the odd coloring.

I missed the first half an hour but saw the rest of the movie last night. Pretty good.

Quick question for all the computer knowledgable people. My printer is printing only black and white, but it says my color ink is full. And the I checked through properties and everything looked normal. Any tips?

I missed the first half an hour but saw the rest of the movie last night. Pretty good.

Quick question for all the computer knowledgable people. My printer is printing only black and white, but it says my color ink is full. And the I checked through properties and everything looked normal. Any tips?

Is it a new cartridge? If so ensure that the protection guard is removed. It may also be a busted cartridge. I would put another one in there just to check and see. If it still doesn't print color then it is probably a grayscale setting or something. If it works there is something amiss with the cartridge.

I think it might be busted. Oh well, screw it.

I missed the first half an hour but saw the rest of the movie last night. Pretty good.

Quick question for all the computer knowledgable people. My printer is printing only black and white, but it says my color ink is full. And the I checked through properties and everything looked normal. Any tips?

Make sure the picture you're printing out is in color.

RomeW [Post 9953]: Map added. Is there a place that lists the square km for the following counties: British Columbia (Capital), British Columbia (Cariboo), British Columbia (Central Coast), British Columbia (Central Kootenay), British Columbia (Central Okanagan), British Columbia (Columbia-Shuswap), British Columbia (Comox-Strathcona), British Columbia (Cowichan Valley), British Columbia (East Kootenay), British Columbia (Fort Nelson-Liard), British Columbia (Fraser Valley), British Columbia (Fraser-Fort George), British Columbia (Greater Vancouver), British Columbia (Kitimat-Stikine), British Columbia (Kootenay Boundary), British Columbia (Mount Waddington), British Columbia (Nanaimo), British Columbia (North Okanagan), British Columbia (Okanagan-Similkameen), British Columbia (Peace River), British Columbia (Powell River), British Columbia (Skeena-Queen Charlotte), British Columbia (Squamish-Lillooet), British Columbia (Stikine), British Columbia (Sunshine Coast), British Columbia (Thompson-Nicola). For that Queen Charlotte one can you give me the island area separate from the other part? I can't approve any other claims by either of you two until these numbers are inside the system.

http://www.civicnet.bc.ca/siteengine/ActivePage.asp?PageID=88#RD

That's a link to all the Regional District governments...information should be there. If not, just simply divide British Columbia in half.

Kreynoria']Djibouti for the production rights and say, $20 billion? What say you?

Sounds good. Consider Ko-1 Production rights and 20 billion USD sent over.

Lay, I'm gonna save you from some admin hassle here. Don't edit the Africa map yet. I reckon you were going to coz of Reagonica 's deal with me over Mozambique. But don't. I have re-negotiated a better deal with Varsola and he says he'll post soon, so don't do any editing until he posts and I confirm, should save u some hassle. ;)

Il trade someone a parcel of land for the production rights to the T108A2 Main Battle Tank, youd want it if you saw the gun size

Il trade someone a parcel of land for the production rights to the T108A2 Main Battle Tank, youd want it if you saw the gun size
It isn't the size that matters. It's what you do with it..... :rolleyes:

Yeah, it's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean. But then again, it takes a long time to get to England in a row boat. =[

In this case size really does matter, its rated over 3000mm penetration at 2 kilometres and can fire very rapidly.

What has 3000 mm penetration?

Lay: Apparently the Jolt forum won't allow me two accounts from the same email address. So, to make it easier, I've given a new email addy for my Cymrea account and once it's confirmed, I will sign in under that name and spare any further confusion.

I thought I had stated it clearly, though: Dragonsforge was my account handle, and Cymrea was the new nation with which I was going to participate in Earth II. It seems I wasn't articulate enough...:confused:

Lay, I'm gonna save you from some admin hassle here. Don't edit the Africa map yet. I reckon you were going to coz of Reagonica 's deal with me over Mozambique. But don't. I have re-negotiated a better deal with Varsola and he says he'll post soon, so don't do any editing until he posts and I confirm, should save u some hassle. ;)

Too late.

I just reached my billion mark so land is on the agenda.

I have alot of offers i would like to put out.

@Hirg Pitcarin Island = Rest of Zimbabwe.
@North Ger Pitcarin Islands for i dont know some South African land.
@Bjorn Pitcarin Islands and/or Zimbabwe for Angola or something or another.

Got Land, Money, or Production rights to a few top features.
USB = Not likey war, diplomacy better.

I just reached my billion mark so land is on the agenda.

I have alot of offers i would like to put out.

@Hirg Pitcarin Island = Rest of Zimbabwe.
@North Ger Pitcarin Islands for i dont know some South African land.
@Bjorn Pitcarin Islands and/or Zimbabwe for Angola or something or another.

Got Land, Money, or Production rights to a few top features.
USB = Not likey war, diplomacy better.

Might I suggest talking with Kreynoria, he would be more interested in Pacific territory in exchange for some tidbit of Kreynorian Africa.

Angola I wish to keep as it is part of my ever-growing African empire.

So the mighty Americans couldn't beat Arturs Irbe and the Latvians. *laughs hysterically* Meanwhile, I grin with glee as Jiggy and the boys smoked Italy (well, maybe not grin...as an Italian-Canadian, I was actually thinking how cool it might have been for Italy to beat Canada...Italy played it close for a period and even tied the game at 1 early in the second before reality set it).

:D (I know, I know...wait 'till it's over...but I'm still going to enjoy this :D)

What has 3000 mm penetration?
Oh no. The innuendos...

Oh no. The innuendos...

lol

It begs the question; how large are they if one needs that much penetration...

...as an Italian-Canadian, I was actually blah blah blah blah blah blah

Wow, that must suck. Being Canadian and all. :p

Hey, three cheers for our Canadian hockey gods! And how aboot...that's right, I said it...those hockey women? Outscoring the opponents 28-0 in their first two games? And one was Russia.

I'm disappointed that we had no snowboarders in the final, though. Maybe all our contenders are in the racing events.

I really have to soak up any Canadian content I can find. I only have basic cable and since moving to Oregon, I've only gotten the drama-hyped, over-the-top coverage of NBC.

Good lord, I never thought I'd actually MISS the CBC.

Im going away on holiday for a week, be back on monday 27th

Im going away on holiday for a week, be back on monday 27th

Not a problem.

USB, you want Northern Zimbabwe for an Island that can hold about 50 people at a stretch? Are you nuts?




(Lay, you didn't edit the Africa map, Mozambique is still in Reagonica's colors. Just curious, coz you said 'too late'?? I'm kinda puzzled?)

Azimeth: Hit a nerve didn't I? 'Tis not my fault the US couldn't put away the lousy Latvians (really, that game was ALL Irbe. The Latvians had nothing).

Dragonsforge: I know...the Canadian women are romping over everyone. It's kind of sad really...I mean, it's great that Canada has a shot but it's kind of boring knowing who'll win.

Is there any coverage of Canadians on MSNBC?

USB, you want Northern Zimbabwe for an Island that can hold about 50 people at a stretch? Are you nuts?




(Lay, you didn't edit the Africa map, Mozambique is still in Reagonica's colors. Just curious, coz you said 'too late'?? I'm kinda puzzled?)

Musta uploaded the wrong version, no biggie. I'll re-edit it later when everything is all done and I feel like editing the maps and updating.

Ok, np, but wait until Varsola posts and I confirm the deal, will save you some hassle.

RomeW, you're the guy keeping MSNBC's ratings above zero? ;)

Ok, np, but wait until Varsola posts and I confirm the deal, will save you some hassle.

RomeW, you're the guy keeping MSNBC's ratings above zero? ;)

Oh I don't care what's posted nothing is getting done for at least a week...se my comments in the last update.

What? wait, our deal is still on, right? Cause i love the benjamins . . .

"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure"
---Jacques Chirac, President of France

"As far as France is concerned, you're right."
---Rush Limbaugh

Lay, on the new Africa map I lost Tanzania.

"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure"
---Jacques Chirac, President of France

"As far as France is concerned, you're right."
---Rush Limbaugh

Lay, on the new Africa map I lost Tanzania.


Check your TGs.

........yes.

Check your TGs.

done

I am leasing Tristan da Cunha from Bjornoya for a limited amount of time. The reasoning will be revealed in a thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469138

Attn: EVERYONE

Reagonica, of course our deal is on. Its already been finalised and confirmed. I am talking about a deal with Varsola, sorry for the confusion.

RomeW, you're the guy keeping MSNBC's ratings above zero? ;)

Haha. Nah- but Nicholas Cage is.

I don't even think I get MSNBC...in Canada, I think the closest thing we have is "Prime Business", and that's just a TV show.

I've got MSNBC. In the morning. Instead of National Geographic Channel....

NSKrey can you confirm the trade deal?

@ Hirgy-Can I keep my 3 bases in Mozambique?

@ Khaif-No cash, how about an RP, embassy, NAP, and base?

OOC: Im just slipping this in before i leave to go on holiday

TO: The United Eastasian Republic

The Republic of Spizania wishes to purchase the Marshall Island group from you in return for a sum which may be negotiate, please reply at the earliest opputunity.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10438406#post10438406

Looking for old Friends[ATTN Marimia]

@ Hirgy-Can I keep my 3 bases in Mozambique?

@ Khaif-No cash, how about an RP, embassy, NAP, and base?
Sure, I good for a rp ,embassy and a base...well depends what kind of base you have in my..

probably just a small airfield and garrison in Lebanon, unless you wouldn't mind one in Chechnya...

probably just a small airfield and garrison in Lebanon, unless you wouldn't mind one in Chechnya...
I wouldn't mind a airfield in Lebanon, but I may sell Chechnya in the future, so its best to keep the base in Lebanon.

Ottoman, feel like embassy trading with the Empire?

Alrighty then. If you want to start something (meeting with the groups that want to leave)

Most Arab nations were happy to join Elephantum, but Lebanon was different, so they would largely welcome a change. (my ex-most important Sultan was killed there)

Lay I don't think we ever officially exchanged embassies: can I put you on my International Relations thread?

Lay I don't think we ever officially exchanged embassies: can I put you on my International Relations thread?

Yes I think we ought to.

Ottoman, feel like embassy trading with the Empire?
Sure, I'll be happy to exchange embassies with your nation.

Sure, I'll be happy to exchange embassies with your nation.

Awesome. I'll add you to my list.

I confirm the land trade with Pushka, but remember, no updates till next week.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10439393#post10439393 my intro rp

Speaking of Olympics whatever happened to it.....
We need to get that jump started its a good way to get a whole mass of nations involved in one RP

Speaking of Olympics whatever happened to it.....
We need to get that jump started its a good way to get a whole mass of nations involved in one RP

Seconded. Need something light and less stressful, like kickign the worlds ass in lacrosse. Bring it!!

BTW, think Krey forgot tennis for summer olympics.

Please the only reason why there is no Olympics is because Pantheaa will own in Gymnastics...you know how good those eastern Euro woman are at that sport. Add to the fact that woman in Panthean don’t eat much due to a once embargoed economy

You can thank us after you win.

Think I'll submit a few tennis players and doubles teams. When no one else signs up I'll win by default.

Hmmm.. WTF does ZX81 mean?

Lay: here I am as Cymrea, which I shall be from now on here on Earth II. I'm not sure if you have been able to confirm the land deal between RomeW and myself.

Also, my factbook is finally done, and if I followed RomeW's instructions right, it should appear below. If so, I invite you all to peruse it at your leisure.

Eleph: What size are the bases and what do they contain?

Ladies and gentlemen, today marks the death of one of the most venerable things in history. Today, the F-14 dropped its last bomb and made its last combat trap. I may be agnostic but I think we should hold a prayer vigil for the greatest plane ever made, a New York plane, a plane that Qaddaffi is so afraid of he had to be put in metal lock-up twice, a place Iraqis fear and run from, a plane the Communist Bloc feared so much they desired its missiles more than anyone desires to do a super model, a plane that could fly around the world and be defeated only by Chuck Norris. We'll miss you F-14 Tomcat and your fury and glory.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-02-16-navy-tomcat_x.htm

http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=22325

You should all make the picture on the second link your desktop for the prophet, the F-14 will return and usher in the 2,000 year kingdom of glory and power.

Yay! *Does a happy dance*

P.S.: We never wanted its missiles neither were we afraid of it, its all your western propganda. UAHAHAHAHA

All I gotta say is AA-9 Amos.

Coming soon...I reveal the name of the Emperor...
...or not...
I bet you want to see that...

It sure as hell better not be Kermit...

Hirgy-theres a naval base, usually with not more than 5 ships at any given time, and an army/air base, that houses a division (21,000) and a some planes, mostly refueling/cargo stuff. I could reduce army presence if that would help.

No, that seems ok. Smaller than I thought. Its in Mozambique right?

Since you've got a military base on my territory I think we'd better exchange embassies.

All I gotta say is AA-9 Amos.

It doesn't even look like any missile in US arsennal.

Coming soon...I reveal the name of the Emperor...
...or not...
I bet you want to see that...

Caligula? Mr. Dick? Buba?

NSKreynoria confirm the trade please

It's similiar. Whether or not the Soviets ever got AIM-54s from Iran in the late 1970s or early 1980s is something yet to be confirmed but it's a distinct possibility. I will say the AA-13 is a good direction as it overcomes the SARH limitations of the AA-9.

Mr. Hitler? Mr. Dick? Buba?

No Hitler comments on this thread. NS MODs punish for those.

It's similiar. Whether or not the Soviets ever got AIM-54s from Iran in the late 1970s or early 1980s is something yet to be confirmed but it's a distinct possibility. I will say the AA-13 is a good direction as it overcomes the SARH limitations of the AA-9.

You guys copied HUD from us. Either way, is there any definite proof of your claim that we copied this missile from you and didn't just come up with it on our own? I mean just because they are similar it doesn't mean anything, Buran was similar to your space shuttle, but the US investigation determined that it was infact an original project and nothing was copied from US.

No Hitler comments on this thread. NS MODs punish for those.

K. I'll edit.

Kreynoria']I confirm the land trade with Pushka, but remember, no updates till next week.


Um, was this missed for some reason Push?

I stick to my theory that the Emperor's name is Lilac.

Yeah, didn't see that, sorry.

Not sure what the Emperor's name is, but I bet it spells something in reverse...;P

Coming soon...I reveal the name of the Emperor...
...or not...
I bet you want to see that...

Read Between the lines

Coming soon...I reveal the name of the Emperor...
...or not...
I bet you want to see that...

Damnit Lay, God-damnit...

It was Kermit wasn't it? Bernard Godwin the Third? Jeff? Shakille? Luigi?

Damnit Lay, God-damnit...

It was Kermit wasn't it? Bernard Godwin the Third? Jeff? Shakille? Luigi?

I bet you people would like to know.

I bet you people would like to know.
Yet the question we should be asking is...is the Emperor human or something else..that's the question, that has to be asked by us.

Yet the question we should be asking is...is the Emperor human or something else..that's the question, that has to be asked by us.

No he's human.

Its prolly just "Emperor" like in Star Wars.... jerkface

Lilac.

Its prolly just "Emperor" like in Star Wars.... jerkface

That's a distinct possibility but not likely.

I've been busy the past week because I've been writing an essay, due for Wednesday. My activity here will be minimal until then.

Rorepme.

I'm not sure precisely what lines to read between, but that's my guess.

ATTN: ALL!!!!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10446084&postcount=184

WTF GUYS!!!

I double checked the math and everything, Jesus Christ what the hell just happened?

If this damned war RP doesn't get moving I suggest we make this into an RP as our citizens find out their life savings are gone and millions are left jobless and homeless. Well not my citizens cuz my economy along with Hirgy's and Pantheaa's were the only ones left relativelly unaffected while others suffered 20, 30, 40, 50, and for Hawdawg 90% losses.

ATTN: ALL!!!!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10446084&postcount=184

WTF GUYS!!!

I double checked the math and everything, Jesus Christ what the hell just happened?

If this damned war RP doesn't get moving I suggest we make this into an RP as our citizens find out their life savings are gone and millions are left jobless and homeless. Well not my citizens cuz my economy along with Hirgy's and Pantheaa's were the only ones left relativelly unaffected while others suffered 20, 30, 40, 50, and for Hawdawg 90% losses.

I don't think there's going to be a war with a crash like this.

BjornoyaLol I never invested, therefore I am untouched except for hurt trade with the afflicted nations.
CymreaHighlight the white space between the two lines
LayartebOMFG you are such a jerk. Maybe though, you're not revealing because I've already correctly guessed it as Lilac!

ATTN: ALL!!!!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10446084&postcount=184

WTF GUYS!!!

I double checked the math and everything, Jesus Christ what the hell just happened?

If this damned war RP doesn't get moving I suggest we make this into an RP as our citizens find out their life savings are gone and millions are left jobless and homeless. Well not my citizens cuz my economy along with Hirgy's and Pantheaa's were the only ones left relativelly unaffected while others suffered 20, 30, 40, 50, and for Hawdawg 90% losses.

Guess its good thing that i was forced to get out of it.

You guys almost died cause i made some threats. I think i like how things are going right now. I'll be sure to try keep things this way.

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!

See what happens when you stay out of a war? You aren't that affected! I just received a minor drop, which is to be expected in a big-arse war. It's the re-construction that's going to help; we have alot of businessmen who would be quite willing to help re-build trading cities for a few special priveleges...

ATTN: ALL!!!!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10446084&postcount=184

WTF GUYS!!!

I double checked the math and everything, Jesus Christ what the hell just happened?

If this damned war RP doesn't get moving I suggest we make this into an RP as our citizens find out their life savings are gone and millions are left jobless and homeless. Well not my citizens cuz my economy along with Hirgy's and Pantheaa's were the only ones left relativelly unaffected while others suffered 20, 30, 40, 50, and for Hawdawg 90% losses.

Doubled checked the math? You have some sort of formula for all of this huh?

My huge, massive, unconquerable economy just shrugged off such a threat. Ooh yeah.

But seriously, how did you work all that out?

In light of the recent stock market crush we would like to make a donation of 1 trillion rubles to be distributed proportionally on the "need more, get more" basis amongst all nations that suffered from the crush to help replenish their business infrastructure. Exeptions to that list are ofcourse the member states of The October Alliance and the nation of Bjornya. We hope our money will be used wisely.

We are creating the special Foreign Business Replenishment Committee that will deal with all the matters of the distribution of our donation.

They have already made several decisions in solving the problems in short term for several nations. For example we are prepared to purchase the oil orders that were canceled from Elephantum at 90% of their market price. That should majorly help revamp elephanti oil business. We await Elephanti response.

-Russian Ministry of Civilian Spending, empowered by the Federal Duma vote on Frebruary 17, 2006

Thank god TKT just promised me 10 trillion from the Mozambique deal. The other good side is you hit the rich areas worst. Gives me a nice chance to diversify the economy anyways.


Hawdawg How about an embassy in each of our captials (Manama and ?????) and a consulate in the same region of the base (Chennai/Madras and Maputo?)?

Pushka Elephanti companies would be glad to accept this deal.

In addition, to countries who are affected by the recent collapse will be offered oil at a 0% profit for the time being. Reduced prices will be offered to other nations, and all taxes on imports to buisnesses (ie not personal orders) will be tarriff free.

Ele i just edited my previous post you might want to reread it.

Same

Pushka Elephanti companies would be glad to accept this deal.



So how much? Also i am throwing 100 bil rubles at you out of that 1 trillion donation to all who suffered. That money is supposed to be destributed amongst your companies.

Well...we don't really need the money (getting 10 tril from TKT) but we'll give you as much oil as you want

This would be a good time to set up reserves, as oil probably wont be this cheap for a long time.

I'm like #2 in oil production right or something near that, right Eleph?

Hey i own the 8th largest oil field on the planet, it can last me for a while. But there can never be too much oil. Reserve facilities are in Yakutia you should have tankers ready to go since then the whole thing crushed a lot of orders must have been cancelled (thats what Bjorn said), so yeah, get em all over to Yakutia. Money of course is not the problem, but mind the 10% discount.

Also your government may not need money but that 100 bil is not for your government its to go directly to your companies. But hey since you got 10 tril coming your way i guess you can help them yourself, so i'll cut it to 50 bil, since i am also purchasing a lot from them.

So can i get an estimate, about how much? I am buying all the oil contracts that were cancelled that day, which should be a bunch. I don't know whats the big amount of oil to buy and whats a small amount so can you point me in the right direction?

Hey Ottoman Khaif i just found out that we are in the same region on nationstates.net.

Wanna have an embassy exchange and all that?

Hey Lay i just checked you out on NSTracker and hmm...your whole government budget is only 19 trillion dollars, meanwhile your imports are 23 trillion dollars. Unless i am wrong that makes you a 3rd world country. But anyways your defense budget is just 5 trillion dollars, thats nothing. So you been buying all that stuff for your army, and maintaining it and stuff and my question is with what money?

Thats some funny facts there Pushka. Small Government budget doesn't mean its bad. Simply means the Government doesn't need huge amounts of money to keep it running. Your own Government Budget isn't much to brag about either. Your Government waste is 6 Trillion, Lay's is a third of that. Your exports and imports are also very low, Lay's are more than twice yours.
Your trade surplus also isn't much to brag about. Your defense Budget is also miniscule.

I'm not being rude or haughty Pushka, just trying to tell you (politely) that when you point the finger, three point back at you.


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INTERNATIONAL BROADCAST/COMMUNICATION

COMMONWEALTH OF HIRGIZSTAN

DEPARTMENT OF THE ECONOMY


In light of the recent economic troubles resulting from the enforced threat of war in Africa and the former threat of war in various other places, the Government of the COH has authorised a $1.5 Trillion care package for the rejuvination of business and commerce.

Any and all nations of the world are welcome to request help under what the Government are calling the 'World Business Rejuvination Package' (WBRP). Any and all applications will be considered and offers finalised quickly. Individual Corporations/Business' must ensure they have Government approval to apply for the Package.

The only nations not to be considered at all are that of Tyrandis, and that of Pushka, due to their selfish policy of not allowing their own aid Package to be avaliable to TOA members and certain other nations.

COH

Pushka don't think you weren't affected, I checked what they would have been and you had a drop of about 10% as well.

If you give money to all affected nations except TOA (I wasn't affected) then you'd be giving $ to USB and Elephantum, perhaps TLS if he counts (so you know). The most heavily hit were Hawdawg based companies.

The Bjornoyan economy stands fast and we will continue to try and find ways to resolve this problem even under threat of war by her neighbors.

And yes, I have a formula. All laid out to see in the second post of BISE.

Firstly, I do the numbers by a strict calculation system. When I'm done with that I have my base number and generally stick to it unless there are some advancements and such in which case I give maybe +-3%

Second, I have to relate the numbers with E2 as a whole, I do not make the numbers from what is going on in E2. My numbers do not reflect reality, they are reality. Thus last time we had a stock market boom (and surprise, a war was going on as well!) I blaimed the boom on the economic advantaged brought by war. This time used the same cause but with a different result (crash)

The crash was not a result of any nation in particular but many nations ironically must have made poor business related decision when answering issues.

Krey, now's your chance to become a powerful merchant nation.

In order to help restore the global economy, the Barbary Coast Company has decided on a plan to stimulate global trade; every country that allows the Barbary Coast Company to operate in their country without tariffs on their goods will receive 50% discounts on all goods we bring into their country. While this will result in a temporary loss for the company, we believe it is essential to help restore the world's economy.

However, all country's with which this deal takes place must not be at war with another nation.

OOC: Seeing how the Barbary Coast Company pretty much is Carthage, this is a pretty sweet deal, if I say so myself. I control quite alot of resources that many nations repairing from war need, and without tariffs but with the discount you still get cheaper goods.

Sorry TLS, good deal but Visara = nationwide monopoly.

I'm sure others will agree.

Sorry TLS, good deal but Visara = nationwide monopoly.

I'm sure others will agree.

Oh well :).

It's funny, really. Carthage is so capitalist it's communist; one company controls everything.

Our nations are much alike, I think if we survive the upcoming natural resource crisis nations like ours may be the final ends of capitalism.

Thats some funny facts there Pushka. Small Government budget doesn't mean its bad. Simply means the Government doesn't need huge amounts of money to keep it running. Your own Government Budget isn't much to brag about either. Your Government waste is 6 Trillion, Lay's is a third of that. Your exports and imports are also very low, Lay's are more than twice yours.
Your trade surplus also isn't much to brag about. Your defense Budget is also miniscule.

I'm not being rude or haughty Pushka, just trying to tell you (politely) that when you point the finger, three point back at you.

I am a nation half his size and i have 3 times his denfese budget and many times his total budget. Plus i am not bragging, i am simply asking how does he justfiy it, but you can't pass up a chance to try and pick a fight with me can you?

Pushka don't think you weren't affected, I checked what they would have been and you had a drop of about 10% as well.

I am not affected. I had no stocks on your stock market, thus your stock market collapse gives me no grief. None of my companies lost anything.

Say what you will Pushka, you can't argue with numbers.

Hey Ottoman Khaif i just found out that we are in the same region on nationstates.net.

Wanna have an embassy exchange and all that?
Sure, I am good for a embassy exchange with your nation and all that good stuff.

INTERNATIONAL BROADCAST/COMMUNICATION

COMMONWEALTH OF HIRGIZSTAN

DEPARTMENT OF THE ECONOMY


In light of the recent economic troubles resulting from the enforced threat of war in Africa and the former threat of war in various other places, the Government of the COH has authorised a $1.5 Trillion care package for the rejuvination of business and commerce.

Any and all nations of the world are welcome to request help under what the Government are calling the 'World Business Rejuvination Package' (WBRP). Any and all applications will be considered and offers finalised quickly. Individual Corporations/Business' must ensure they have Government approval to apply for the Package.

The only nations not to be considered at all are that of Tyrandis, and that of Pushka, due to their selfish policy of not allowing their own aid Package to be avaliable to TOA members and certain other nations.

COH

We do not see where the nation of Hirgizstan finds the place to call us selfish, we are helping all nations except those that have expressed their desire to have a military conflict with our nation.

-Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Say what you will Pushka, you can't argue with numbers.

I don't have to. Those numbers don't have any value. I did not participate on your stock market at the time of hte collapse, why the hell would my companies that don't sell stock on your stock market be affected? What you are saying makes no sense. Its like saying that if the Russian stockmarket collapsed American companies that don't sell their stock there would be affected.

Sure, I am good for a embassy exchange with your nation and all that good stuff.

Aight you can send your guys over to Voronej (in my nation thats in Siberia), where can i put my own guys?

Aight you can send your guys over to Voronej (in my nation thats in Siberia), where can i put my own guys?
Send them to Beriut, that's current seat of Government atm.

I don't have to. Those numbers don't have any value. I did not participate on your stock market at the time of hte collapse, why the hell would my companies that don't sell stock on your stock market be affected? What you are saying makes no sense. Its like saying that if the Russian stockmarket collapsed American companies that don't sell their stock there would be affected.

Well, for one thing, we live in a completely integrated global economy. I mean, even I suffered a blow, and I've pretty much been ignored by and have ignored the rest of the world.

Can I join Earth II and what land is there left for me to claim?

Well, for one thing, we live in a completely integrated global economy. I mean, even I suffered a blow, and I've pretty much been ignored by and have ignored the rest of the world.

Do your companies have stock up on BISE? Because mine don't.

Yes, the numbers on NS calculators have value, its how the game works.

This didn't have anything to do with E2, its what the calculators spit out. And they spit out numbers for your nation too. You just brought them up to Lay last page, I'm bringing yours up to you.

Pushka:

Current GDP: 57,367,540,145,065/Initial GDP: 62,741,711,276,421= .914 * 100 = 91.4%

100- 91.4 = 8.6% loss

Current Defense: 16,474,386,454,776/ Initial Defense 18,381,631,125,492= .896 * 100 = 89.6%

100 - 89.6 = 10.4% loss

You can't argue with numbers.

Send them to Beriut, that's current seat of Government atm.

Great, maybe we should also sign a non-aggression pact or something.

Yes, the numbers on NS calculators have value, its how the game works.

This didn't have anything to do with E2, its what the calculators spit out. And they spit out numbers for your nation too. You just brought them up to Lay last page, I'm bringing yours up to you.

Pushka:

Current GDP: 57,367,540,145,065/Initial GDP: 62,741,711,276,421= .914 * 100 = 91.4%

100- 91.4 = 8.6% loss

Current Defense: 16,474,386,454,776/ Initial Defense 18,381,631,125,492= .896 * 100 = 89.6%

100 - 89.6 = 10.4% loss

You can't argue with numbers.

Now i am just confused. Is this happening because BISE collapsed or did BISE collapse because this is happening?

Donation of 500 billion rubles goes to the United States of Brink to help in recovery from the recent market collapse.

-Foreign Business Replenishment Committee

OOC: Can anyone tell me what a large order of oil would be? I mean how much oil is considered to be a large order?