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To: Carthage

I advise Carthage to join no alliance at all and instead stay an independent nation. A couple of reasons why you should refuse both entry to the TOA and VCO

1) Your country loses all of its neutrality. Pantheaa and other nations retain a neutral stance in world affairs. While alliances push you to one side of a conflict, often it might be the side you don’t want to be in. Alliances see everything in black and white...they are the enemy we are the good guys. Neutral non alliance nations instead see the grey...Pantheaa is slowly becoming the Vatican of E2

2) Alliances are a failure. TOA and VCO are just “league of nations” and “Roman Confederacy” repeated

3) Plunge into political problems. Once you join an alliance you become the worlds nanny. You have nations within the said alliance striving to complete for your nation...begging you do side with them when no one else will. How many RC’ERS REMEMBER DUKE BAROL WHO DECIDES TO GO ON A BLITZKRIEG AND DRAG THE ENTIRE ALLIANCE WITH HIM!!

4) Alliances are un-democratic. Every nation that joins an alliance is undemocratic. By forcing an international body to decide a conflict instead of the elected people...is undemocratic. To allow a foreign nation to tell you how to handle international affairs...takes that issue out of public opinion. You lose all sovereignty when in an alliance. Once again the Panthean Confederacy is the most democratic nation in the world

5) No protection to the minority voter. No filibusters in these alliances!!! Vote against the majority vote in a alliance, and you will be forced to go with what the others say. I bet you can’t even write a dissenting opinion in these alliances to try to get people on your side...in other words your voice as been silent and your vote doesn’t matter

6) Nations are just using you. Your just a tool for a greater scheme, most likely a scheme to make or two nations more larger. I have a mountain of evidence of this so this charge can’t be disputed. Examples include North Germania playing the entire RC to conquer all of Europe. Or Hiiraan who admitted that alliances are for world domination. i believe Hiiraan's post was trying to say that the VCO is just a tool for Russian Fed to expand. Thus alliances are imperialistic..for Carthage to join an alliance would be a stab in the heart to the brave Poles who revolting against North Germania

7) There might not be a need for an alliance.....NATO and Warsaw Pact were formed during the cold war when USSR and USA ready to duke it out in any second. However E2 lacks that kind duel power rule. The biggest most powerful nations all have good feelings about other big and powerful nations. TOA and VCO are rivals but what’s the difference...Ideological? Economic?....there is hardly any differences...so they have no point in having to distinct alliances, what then do us political scienetist theroize what an alliance is used for.....LOOK AT #6

8)”I’ll inherit the Beef Of 50"- in the words of Eminem, it goes back to the when one nation chooses to attack another nation. If you agree with the alliances action to attack that nation, then you’re an enemy of that nation, embragos and boycotts follow suit. Some nations will place embargos on you just for being in the same league with that nation. Once again DUKE BAROL comes to mind when thinking of an example, Much like Eminem “You’ll inherit 50's beef”

Vassili Zeitsev
President for life
Panthean Confederacy


Good points.

Also the Alliances have no regards for non alliance nations. I had to ask for a list of VCO members just to make sure the nation i want to attack soon is not in the alliance. Its all apart of the world is our monopoly kind of thinking that dominates alliances

Haha. Good point. Interesting topic:
Which Transformer would make the best president, or
Which Transformer does Ronald Reagan most resemble?
I would have to say Optimus Prime on both accounts

I can't say I know THAT much about them but yeah Optimus Prime is pretty awesome.

Also the Alliances have no regards for non alliance nations. I had to ask for a list of VCO members just to make sure the nation i want to attack soon is not in the alliance. Its all apart of the world is our monopoly kind of thinking that dominates alliances

That is not true. The TOA does have regard for non-alliance nations and even nations within the VCO.

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Site/signature_banner_02.gif

If only we could have images in our signatures.

http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/Graphics/Site/signature_banner_02.gif

If only we could have images in our signatures.

I don't make signatures, but I use these two when I can:

http://www.technocracy.ca/gallery/albums/interrupt_00h/krasnoarmich.gif

OR

http://www.technocracy.ca/gallery/albums/interrupt_00h/Pax_Ruthenia.jpg

Wow the second is hot.

I can't say I know THAT much about them but yeah Optimus Prime is pretty awesome.


The Primster is cool, but chuck norris can kick anyones ass
as demostrated in The ultimate showdown (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/285267)

The Primster is cool, but chuck norris can kick anyones ass
as demostrated in The ultimate showdown (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/285267)

You have seen the Chuck Norris thread I imagine.

Lay why is your representative covering his ears, closing his eyes and yelling LALALALA then i explain to him why Project Liedohod is not a threat to anyone?

To: Carthage

I advise Carthage to join no alliance at all and instead stay an independent nation. A couple of reasons why you should refuse both entry to the TOA and VCO

1) Your country loses all of its neutrality. Pantheaa and other nations retain a neutral stance in world affairs. While alliances push you to one side of a conflict, often it might be the side you don’t want to be in. Alliances see everything in black and white...they are the enemy we are the good guys. Neutral non alliance nations instead see the grey...Pantheaa is slowly becoming the Vatican of E2

2) Alliances are a failure. TOA and VCO are just “league of nations” and “Roman Confederacy” repeated

3) Plunge into political problems. Once you join an alliance you become the worlds nanny. You have nations within the said alliance striving to complete for your nation...begging you do side with them when no one else will. How many RC’ERS REMEMBER DUKE BAROL WHO DECIDES TO GO ON A BLITZKRIEG AND DRAG THE ENTIRE ALLIANCE WITH HIM!!

4) Alliances are un-democratic. Every nation that joins an alliance is undemocratic. By forcing an international body to decide a conflict instead of the elected people...is undemocratic. To allow a foreign nation to tell you how to handle international affairs...takes that issue out of public opinion. You lose all sovereignty when in an alliance. Once again the Panthean Confederacy is the most democratic nation in the world

5) No protection to the minority voter. No filibusters in these alliances!!! Vote against the majority vote in a alliance, and you will be forced to go with what the others say. I bet you can’t even write a dissenting opinion in these alliances to try to get people on your side...in other words your voice as been silent and your vote doesn’t matter

6) Nations are just using you. Your just a tool for a greater scheme, most likely a scheme to make or two nations more larger. I have a mountain of evidence of this so this charge can’t be disputed. Examples include North Germania playing the entire RC to conquer all of Europe. I believe Hiiraan's post was trying to say that the VCO is just a tool for Russian Fed to expand. Thus alliances are imperialistic..for Carthage to join an alliance would be a stab in the heart to the brave Poles who revolting against North Germania

7) There might not be a need for an alliance.....NATO and Warsaw Pact were formed during the cold war when USSR and USA ready to duke it out in any second. However E2 lacks that kind duel power rule. The biggest most powerful nations all have good feelings about other big and powerful nations. TOA and VCO are rivals but what’s the difference...Ideological? Economic?....there is hardly any differences...so they have no point in having to distinct alliances, what then do us political scienetist theroize what an alliance is used for.....LOOK AT #6

8)”I’ll inherit the Beef Of 50"- in the words of Eminem, it goes back to the when one nation chooses to attack another nation. If you agree with the alliances action to attack that nation, then you’re an enemy of that nation, embragos and boycotts follow suit. Some nations will place embargos on you just for being in the same league with that nation. Once again DUKE BAROL comes to mind when thinking of an example, Much like Eminem “You’ll inherit 50's beef”

Vassili Zeitsev
President for life
Panthean Confederacy

Actually in VCO every decision must be approved by every alliance member in order for it to be effective, so we are democratic. I don't want to expand i just want to keep what i already got.

Now that is the funniest thing I have heard all day. I know of one nation that was able to delay a NG advance, The Wick, and it was decided among the attackers, myself included, that the losses would have been too great to continue. Its not the fact that it couldn't be done, it was the ratio of dead we looked at. Uber-tactics wouldn't save you, highly exceptional RPing might.
BTW, I own all, is a little over the top wouldn't you agree?

-Hawdawg

I am just having some fun. I know i don't own all but i still do feel pretty confident that NG got nothing on me. High casualties? Who decided that in conflict with Wick? NG?

Lay why is your representative covering his ears, closing his eyes and yelling LALALALA then i explain to him why Project Liedohod is not a threat to anyone?

Because that is my stance. I am not going to accept this project and I will fight it. We are not, under any circumstances, going to ignore the potential risks that could happen in the case of human or mechanical error, which could lead to something so catastrophic it wipes out the human race.

Operation Oktober Blå (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461260)

Pushka: It was generally agreed upon by the invading group all attackers had a say in the outcome.


Ya'll are missing a hell of a game between Rutgers and Arizona St. on ESPN!

Its a real shootout.

-Hawdawg

Official Imperial Reply

I, The Greatest Emperor alive on Earth, the protector of African's and Champion of peace, herby declare Provinces 3, 4, 8, and 5 of the D.R.C to be properties of the Africanus Empire. I also declare all of the Provinces in Chad to to be part of the Africanus Empire as negotiated with the Bjornoya.

Signed,
His Imperial Father
Emperor Of The Africanus Empire of Hiiraan.
Emperor Luke I

Pushka, one way or another you're going to discover that you are by no means invincible against me. How you got that notion into your head, I don't know, nor do I care. I'm simply tired of hearing you run your mouth about how superior you are. Usually when people do that, it's because they're scared or weak. Until you can prove to me otherwise, that's my stance on the matter.

Sorry for the late reply, but Lay you can probably take me off D13 now. The only reason I didn't have you do it sooner is because I really don't know how much time I can devote here. I'll be getting my leg next week and after that there'll be two to three weeks of physical therapy. So, chances are you can pull me off D13, I've been trying to get more active now in EII.

Pushka, one way or another you're going to discover that you are by no means invincible against me. How you got that notion into your head, I don't know, nor do I care. I'm simply tired of hearing you run your mouth about how superior you are. Usually when people do that, it's because they're scared or weak. Until you can prove to me otherwise, that's my stance on the matter.

No one's invincible against any member of the October Alliance (except for Cotland, who is still pretty formidable though). Sure, some of us might be on almost equal-terms, but there is no one who has a clear military advantage.

Pushka, one way or another you're going to discover that you are by no means invincible against me. How you got that notion into your head, I don't know, nor do I care. I'm simply tired of hearing you run your mouth about how superior you are. Usually when people do that, it's because they're scared or weak. Until you can prove to me otherwise, that's my stance on the matter.

Heh...right buddy sure. Don't wet your panties now, I am not trying to offend you, i don't really care that much, i was simply involved in a discussion for some reason people think that you are good at that stuff, Lay even said that it would take you less then a week to annihilate me i seriously doubt your ability to anihilate me in any way, much less do so in a week. Yeah thats right we will have to find out eventually i guess, but i noticed you seem to be generating some tough talk yourself. Your stance? Hah. Okay dude.

Elephantum and my other VCO buddies (if you are here) can you please help me out in the non-aggression pact, i mean i am not back down either way but it would be nice if i had some voiced support.

TLS, stop sucking up man, its embarassing.

Pushka: I'll do something related to that sooner or later, but Im working on something else and can't do anything detailed there yet.

You working on something else? Is it E2 related? If so can you TG me, maybe i can help or something.

organizing my military, political groups, and a handful of other things, more time consuming than anything else.

New thread, mucho important (oh you can delete any of my other threads with the exception of unification day if you want)-New Riyadh Military Training Facility (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461281)


Also, Mozambique and Swazaland are going to TKT.

Pushka: It was generally agreed upon by the invading group all attackers had a say in the outcome.


Ya'll are missing a hell of a game between Rutgers and Arizona St. on ESPN!

Its a real shootout.

-Hawdawg

I'd just like to take this opportunity first to thank Elephantum for his continued support. Furthermore; ASU is the most overrated school in history, and officialy sucks whale balls.
Thank you.

Where's the link for the conference to Project Likehod?

I'd just like to take this opportunity first to thank Elephantum for his continued support. Furthermore; ASU is the most overrated school in history, and officialy sucks whale balls.
Thank you.

They won, 45-40, and it was quite a game- Rutgers just lost it towards the end.

Where's the link for the conference to Project Likehod?



They won, 45-40, and it was quite a game- Rutgers just lost it towards the end.

They got lucky. Rutgers has no defense, so the minimal talent ASU has was able to do a little. I repeat
Whale Balls. Being sucked. By ASU.
i mean, they really suck.

Elephantum and my other VCO buddies (if you are here) can you please help me out in the non-aggression pact, i mean i am not back down either way but it would be nice if i had some voiced support.

TLS, stop sucking up man, its embarassing.

I'm telling the truth, man. It's a word from the wise; you fight with the October Alliance; you get your ass kicked. Don't think you have the full support of your alliance, either. Although you may claim to be more-centralized, certain nations will be kinda afraid of marching into certain death.

***Official Communique***

"In light of the recent announcement by the Kingdom of Norway to expell all Russian Citizens, The Holy Republic of Hawdawg wishes to extend the same edict to the Pushkan Government. While the decision to do so was difficult we maintain a "free" border between Norway and Sweden and don't want any potentional problems with the Kingdom for allowing Russian citizens to stay inside our country. This seems to be an easier way to diffuse a situation that is spinning rapidly out of control. All Russian citizens that cannot afford to leave will be issued free tickets to any Russian Port of Call commercial airlines service. All Russian assets will be frozen pending the outcome of this hightened state of tension.

We are fully prepared to defend ourselves and are currently making preparations for war. All furloughs have been cancelled and National Guard troops are encouraged to contact your CO for instructions. The Navy and Air Force will be performing extended exercises in the Baltic and White Seas. If a foreign military threatens our way of life, we will react with an overwhelming response.

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg"

The Prime Minister turned to his attache and handed him the document. He intended to fax it to the King first then all of his European neighbors.

PM Wales: "Gordon, take us down to COND 2. Put everyone on alert, get the planners up here. We need to work out contengency plans. Move five armored divisions to choke points along the Pushkan border. Get our logistical network up and running. I want constant Air Patrols, have the Ground Attack Wings in the air at all times. Get the Fighter Umbrella aloft to cover the A-10's. If this does break lose we may unleash the 402nd. If a land attack comes we will punish them before they ever make it to our armor. Also initiate the Aerial Defense Network, we may finally get to see how good this system we purchased from NTG is. Put the Navy to Sea I want ASW working around the clock. We don't want any suprises."

I'm telling the truth, man. It's a word from the wise; you fight with the October Alliance; you get your ass kicked. Don't think you have the full support of your alliance, either. Although you may claim to be more-centralized, certain nations will be kinda afraid of marching into certain death.

Certain death? Oh god, dude just be quiet please, i am tired of bullshit.

***Official Communique***

"In light of the recent announcement by the Kingdom of Norway to expell all Russian Citizens, The Holy Republic of Hawdawg wishes to extend the same edict to the Pushkan Government. While the decision to do so was difficult we maintain a "free" border between Norway and Sweden and don't want any potentional problems with the Kingdom for allowing Russian citizens to stay inside our country. This seems to be an easier way to diffuse a situation that is spinning rapidly out of control. All Russian citizens that cannot afford to leave will be issued free tickets to any Russian Port of Call commercial airlines service. All Russian assets will be frozen pending the outcome of this hightened state of tension.

We are fully prepared to defend ourselves and are currently making preparations for war. All furloughs have been cancelled and National Guard troops are encouraged to contact your CO for instructions. The Navy and Air Force will be performing extended exercises in the Baltic and White Seas. If a foreign military threatens our way of life, we will react with an overwhelming response.

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg"

The Prime Minister turned to his attache and handed him the document. He intended to fax it to the King first then all of his European neighbors.

PM Wales: "Gordon, take us down to COND 2. Put everyone on alert, get the planners up here. We need to work out contengency plans. Move five armored divisions to choke points along the Pushkan border. Get our logistical network up and running. I want constant Air Patrols, have the Ground Attack Wings in the air at all times. Get the Fighter Umbrella aloft to cover the A-10's. If this does break lose we may unleash the 402nd. If a land attack comes we will punish them before they ever make it to our armor. Also initiate the Aerial Defense Network, we may finally get to see how good this system we purchased from NTG is. Put the Navy to Sea I want ASW working around the clock. We don't want any suprises."

It is a shock to us that a nation of Hawdawg would consider war without provocation on our part simply because the government of Norway seems to be bordering on insanity. Either way, if you attack we will defend ourselves. We have nothing but utter respect for Holy Republic of Hawdawg, but we after recent proclomations by Kingdom of Norway, we can not say the same on their case. Please atleast attempt to put some reason into the government of Norway, if you don't then Norway will attack us without provocation and that we will have to destroy their armies as well as yours if you choose to enter our soil. Once again we urge you to attempt to show reason to the government of Norway, that might be our last chance to avoid war."

Where's the link for the conference to Project Likehod?



They won, 45-40, and it was quite a game- Rutgers just lost it towards the end.


We doing it in the VCO/TOA non-aggression pact thread.

here

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=460975

Norway just went cookoo, please condemn him because of that.

Russian Federation armed forces raised their alertness level. All the MLRS and artillery formations were now turned towards the borders with hawdawg. The border defense inceased in number by 500000 as ANZ troopers have moved in to help aid their comrades from PV.

Oh yeah guys if there is going to be a war, lets wait until Marimia and Bjornya come back.

Let it be known, that if the Russian Federation attacks Hawdawg, Norway will assist its Hawdawgian allies.

Cotland i know i don't say that enough but you are a douchebag and not a very smart one at that. First of all you have some sort of irrational prejudice against all things that are Russian, you are a Rusophobe. Russian engineers have made great achievements for the global community, the reason that some of our ideas weren't worked through enough was because it was hard for our engineers to figure out everything then the government is telling them to do their job faster and there is a KGB officer pointing a gun at their forhead making sure that they would work faster. Either way Russian military hardware is amongst the best on earth, that is an undoubteble fact, i am sure Layatreb will agree with me. The civilian descoveries made by Russian scientists have influenced the past as well as the future. If russian engineers haven't built TAPAMAK then western scientists would still think that the concept of magneticall confining plasma was impossible, which is what they thought until Russian scientists brought to them 3 succesfully working prototypes. Hell my own grandfather has descovered several medical isotopes that are saving lives right now. I find your inability to comprehend factual scientific information ridiculus, same as i find your inability to realize that you are a mental midgit compared to the big boys who are attempting to discuss the feasibility of the project in question using facts and not fiction.

Another thing that i find ridiculus is your racist stance that just because i am Russian means that i could never have been similar situation as North Germania. This is not meant as disresrespect to North Germania, hey man if you lived anythere near me and i knew you i would help you out. But the thing is that yes i am also human no matter what you choose to believe and am in no way genetically inferior to you (lets see, i am smarter then you, and i can bench press 150 kilograms) and yes i can go through the same stuff as NG has went through, in fact i did go through that stuff, this kind of thing a child like you could never understand unless it happened to you. I just felt like i had to say this, since you just demonstrated that you are on the brink of mental retardation (i am refering to your last post in the non-aggression pact)

We fully understand that. We will not attack Hawdwag unless Kingdom of Norway attacks us.

Pushka -

Calm the f--- down, 'k? I know you may be angry and I have no love of Cotland myself, but there's no excuse to insult here. There is such a thing as "IC sentiment", you know. HE might not hate Russians in Real Life, but his nation does. IC insults don't deserve OOC insulting replies.

On the other hand, Cotland -

There's no need to stress Russian failiure throughout history, like you did. I understand it's a diplomatic tactic, but it could be hurtful. It might be safer to add a "OOC: This isn't my point of view in Real Life" onto an offensive post.

Everyone else -

Varsola will be neutral in the upcoming "Cold War"/"War". Varsolan corporations will sell everything from bananas to rifle, but that'll be the extent of their involvement.

~Vars'~

Russian failure throught out history? F*** you man, you don't know what you are talking about same as him. And yes that is the sentiment he seems to be sharing in the RL. Either way, i said what i wanted to say, i am not gonna continue.

Pushka, you've got to remember that there's a difference between IC and OOC, and what was said was all IC. Maybe I went a bit far by pulling in the stuff I did, and maybe it offended you. If so, I appologize. If you wish, I shall delete the portion about the RL Soviet fuck-ups in the IC post.

Oh, so thats how it is. Since you attacked me OOCly then i said i went through the same thing as NG back in Operation Spah, i kinda figured you still carried that sentiment. Aight then, no worries. Also most of those RL Soviet fucks up weren't done by Russians. They i give you Salyut, but Cherbnobyl was and is in Ukraine, so it was Ukranians, as for the tank, T-55 was a very good opponent to western tanks that were fielded then T-55 first came out. You can't expect a tank to still be competitive to the tanks developed with new technologies 50 years later. Also to add some American fuck-ups, what was the name of that shuttle that spontaneously combusted again? Actually nevermind i am sidetracking again.

Also, Pushka, don't get the idea that I harbor any liking for NG. I don't. We've nearly gone to war on numerous occasions (he recently tried to invade me). I'm just saying, don't go to war with the October Alliance lightly. If you're going to go to war, you'd better prepare to take heavy casualties, and trillions of dollars in damage. If you win, it'll be somewhat like what happened to Russia in WWII. Just worse.

I am not taking them lightly, i am just combating the notion that it is impossible to defeat them.

I am not taking them lightly, i am just combating the notion that it is impossible to defeat them.

It's not impossible. 'tis Improbable.

Oh, so thats how it is. Since you attacked me OOCly then i said i went through the same thing as NG back in Operation Spah, i kinda figured you still carried that sentiment. Aight then, no worries. Also most of those RL Soviet fucks up weren't done by Russians. They i give you Salyut, but Cherbnobyl was and is in Ukraine, so it was Ukranians, as for the tank, T-55 was a very good opponent to western tanks that were fielded then T-55 first came out. You can't expect a tank to still be competitive to the tanks developed with new technologies 50 years later. Also to add some American fuck-ups, what was the name of that shuttle that spontaneously combusted again?

Well, there seems to have been a lot of misunderstandings there, some of them mine. For that, I appologize. I'm not going to start a debate on the T-55 and its chances against an M48 Patton or a Crusader or Churchill. As for the Challenger (1986 disaster), it was a fautly O-ring that caused the shit to hit the proverbial fan. In the case of the Columbia (2003), it was a bigass hole punched in the heatshield by the big orange fuel rocket thingy.

I'll go delete that paragraph now. And remember, my Foreign Minister is a xenophobic bastard, just so you remember. He'll be replaced soon...

alright then i am combating the notiong that its imporbable to defeat them.

OKAY EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP.

IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE A GOD DAMN GAME IN WHICH YOU TYPE OUT YOUR THOUGHTS AND IMAGINATIONS ONTO A DAMN INTERNET FORUM, THEN YOU DON'T DESERVE TO BE NEAR A COMPUTER.

HIT THE BIG RED X, TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER, AND SIT DOWN FOR A WHILE.

And please, don't give me any bull shit as to ' I have nothing to do with this so back off '.

Cotland i know i don't say that enough but you are a douchebag and not a very smart one at that. First of all you have some sort of irrational prejudice against all things that are Russian, you are a Rusophobe. Russian engineers have made great achievements for the global community, the reason that some of our ideas weren't worked through enough was because it was hard for our engineers to figure out everything then the government is telling them to do their job faster and there is a KGB officer pointing a gun at their forhead making sure that they would work faster. Either way Russian military hardware is amongst the best on earth, that is an undoubteble fact, i am sure Layatreb will agree with me. The civilian descoveries made by Russian scientists have influenced the past as well as the future. If russian engineers haven't built TAPAMAK then western scientists would still think that the concept of magneticall confining plasma was impossible, which is what they thought until Russian scientists brought to them 3 succesfully working prototypes. Hell my own grandfather has descovered several medical isotopes that are saving lives right now. I find your inability to comprehend factual scientific information ridiculus, same as i find your inability to realize that you are a mental midgit compared to the big boys who are attempting to discuss the feasibility of the project in question using facts and not fiction.

Another thing that i find ridiculus is your racist stance that just because i am Russian means that i could never have been similar situation as North Germania. This is not meant as disresrespect to North Germania, hey man if you lived anythere near me and i knew you i would help you out. But the thing is that yes i am also human no matter what you choose to believe and am in no way genetically inferior to you (lets see, i am smarter then you, and i can bench press 150 kilograms) and yes i can go through the same stuff as NG has went through, in fact i did go through that stuff, this kind of thing a child like you could never understand unless it happened to you. I just felt like i had to say this, since you just demonstrated that you are on the brink of mental retardation (i am refering to your last post in the non-aggression pact)

If by agree you mean call it out-of-date, inferior, poorly made, and shoddy, yes I would.

Well, you seem to be saying all that stuff about Su-27 being a good jet and all. Either way, out of date? Inferior? Poorly made? Get your head out of your ass and smell the coffee, Russian equipment is totally competitive with anything US got (okay i give you F-22) you know it, and all the experts know it. Neither F-15 nor F-16 have anything on the new Russian jets. American attack helicopters can not compare to Mi-28N and Ka-52. BMP-3 is far superior to its american counterpart. Black Eagle MBT can pierce 1000 mms of RHA with its standard issue HE rounds, while front armor of Abrams is 800 mm RHA, while Abrams can't pierce the Kontakt-5 ERA on the T-90. I know you want to support your buddy Cotland and all, but don't be ridiculus.

Well, you seem to be saying all that stuff about Su-27 being a good jet and all. Either way, out of date? Inferior? Poorly made? Get your head out of your ass and smell the coffee, Russian equipment is totally competitive with anything US got (okay i give you F-22) you know it, and all the experts know it. Neither F-15 nor F-16 have anything on the new Russian jets. American attack helicopters can not compare to Mi-28N and Ka-52. BMP-3 is far superior to its american counterpart. Black Eagle MBT can pierce 1000 mms of RHA with its standard issue HE rounds, while front armor of Abrams is 800 mm RHA, while Abrams can't pierce the Kontakt-5 ERA on the T-90. I know you want to support your buddy Cotland and all, but don't be ridiculus.

The Russians do have equipment that can compete with American Equipment. HOWEVER, a large portion of the Russian army is underequipped, seeing how it's full of poorly-trained conscripts (don't say it's not poorly trained; the way it's been handling Cechnya is a joke.)

Seeing as most of Kreynoria is made up of islands close to sea level, your project of raising the ocean levels has not gone over well with us.

Russian equipment would be highly competitive with or superior to western equipment if they had the men, money, materials, and motivation to keep it well-maintained.

Which is what we are getting right now, there will be a lot of hardware updates in 2006. Seriously, thank you west for driving your 12 miles per gallon Hamvies.

Kreynoria']

Russian equipment would be highly competitive with or superior to western equipment if they had the men, money, materials, and motivation to keep it well-maintained.

Agreed.

Also, guys, this is getting out of hand. Please, if you want to argue, do it in IM or something, not somewhere where the Mods might get angry.

The Russians do have equipment that can compete with American Equipment. HOWEVER, a large portion of the Russian army is underequipped, seeing how it's full of poorly-trained conscripts (don't say it's not poorly trained; the way it's been handling Cechnya is a joke.)

We are trained, maybe not as well as somethere else. Handling Chechnya? What CNN shows you about the topic is not the truth, almost nothing is covered by even the Russian media. I was where, we kick ass.

Anyways Russian tech is comptetive even those nations that generally allied themselves with the west through out the cold war have started to realize that Russian military hardware is in many ways superior to the american coutnerparts. As such Thailand has just purchased russian SU-30MKM jet fighters and also some military helicopters, also UAE has chosen to purchase Russian BMP-3s over american Bradleys.

We are trained, maybe not as well as somethere else. Handling Chechnya? What CNN shows you about the topic is not the truth, almost nothing is covered by even the Russian media. I was where, we kick ass.

Anyways Russian tech is comptetive even those nations that generally allied themselves with the west through out the cold war have started to realize that Russian military hardware is in many ways superior to the american coutnerparts. As such Thailand has just purchased russian SU-30MKM jet fighters and also some military helicopters, also UAE has chosen to purchase Russian BMP-3s over american Bradleys.

I watch many different international news channels, and read alot of international papers, and I can see that Cechnya wasn't/isn't being handled well. Sure, you guys are "winning", but only because of brute force. Beslan was such a screw-up it's not funny. Many, many lives could have been saved had the operation been executed in a better fashion. All the Russian military has to do is resort to a more western-style army; a small, well-trained army. Of course, then there comes the problem of Russia being too darn big...

Also, while I agree certain Russian military pieces (the most famous example; the Kalashnikov series of rifles) are more reliable than their American counterparts, and the majority of Russian military pieces are around as good as their American counterparts, the problem is they aren't properly maintained. They also just so happen to be cheaper than their American counterparts, thus the reason why alot of Third-world countries use their technology.

Actually we are switching to a more western styled military. By 2008 50% of all russian military forces will be on contract basis, meaning non-conscripts but paid proffessionals who receive adequate training, just like in US army. Also our military budget has grown by a very large margin since 2000, and it still keeps growing, the one approved for 2006 is 30 percent bigger then the one we had in 2005. According to the statements made by our defense ministry, 70% of that new budget will go on updating equipment for our military. Also then we resolve the conflict with Ukraine and those bastards start paying us fairly for our gas then our economy would blossom even more, increasing defense spending and thus bettering our military force. If we go at the rate we are going now then by 2015 we would be back on top of the piedestal being equal to US in our military capability, probably even better then before because now we are cooperating with the west then we design our hardware, SU-37 for example, it has French electronics.

OOC: Attention: Everyone take a deep breath. Count to 10 then do it in reverse.

Now lets separate OOC chatter from IC chatter. Mixing the two is bad karma.
The object is have an intellegent conversation without throwing out insults especially OOC'ly. And folks understand IC'ly you may have a madman at the helm of the ship, but in RL he maybe an alright guy.

-Hawdawg

Pushky's getting mad, look out.

I am fucking crazy, man! By the way i am not Pushky, i am Pushka, its not thats hard to spell.

This is going to be my next jet fighter, just want to know what you guys think about the image, i should be done with the write up some time next week.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c179/imishin/untitled55.png

The circular thing in the middle is part of the integral aerodynamic configuration, it allows the plane to be hypermaneuvarable

Also, while I agree certain Russian military pieces (the most famous example; the Kalashnikov series of rifles) are more reliable than their American counterparts, and the majority of Russian military pieces are around as good as their American counterparts, the problem is they aren't properly maintained. They also just so happen to be cheaper than their American counterparts, thus the reason why alot of Third-world countries use their technology.

True...good rifles, but i still would pick an M4 or M16 over them anyday,

Though keep in mind Panthean military uses the AK74 as its offical rifle

Russian rifles are better then M16s and M4s, the thing is the western perception of an Ak-47 or 74 is formed based on those models they captured from the terrorists. Those rifles mostly are unlicensed rip-offs, your average terrorist can't afford quality Russian made Kalashnikov.

NG check TGs

ALL INVOLVED CHECK TOA-VCO MEETING!

German rifles pwnz0r any other rifle.

Note: Kar-98, Kar-43, MP-40, StG-44, G-36, HK-416.

Name ONE rifle that can match the HK-416. M-16 can't. M-4 can't. AK-74 can't.

I will admit that the T-34 gave German tanks a challenge in WW2, but the Tiger, Panther, and King Tiger couldn't be compared to anything during that time. They made any allied tank look pathetic. Except for the fact that their parts were so complicated they were prone to breaking down. Even today, the Leopard-II could take out any Russian tank thrown its way.

And I know "Pushky" is spelled with an "a", Pushky.

Screw all you guys, Germany's going to briefly take over again.

Actually both Tiger and Panther had plenty of problems penetrating KV-1 armor, as i am sure King Tigers would if they were more widely used on the Eastern Front. Infact there were instances then whole columns of Tigers were wiped out by single KV-1. The only way Germans could take out a KV-1 was either from the air or with a large caliber anti-tank artillery gun.

Whats so special about HK-416?

Leopard II? Lol, no it can't, nothing can take on the Black Eagle, and a T-90 with anti-tank cannon fired guided missile is plenty better then Leopard II that can't get its sabot round to pierce through T-90s Kontakt-5 ERA. Tests were made in both germany and USA, you can't get through Kontakt-5.

Aren't you in america?

Ele wtf mate? You're betraying us now?

depends, define "us"

The VCO.

Are you atleast not going to be aiding TOA? I mean this is kind of surprising, one day you build plans on how we gonna defend against TOA, next day you are suddenly backing out. Any reason?

We still have our little spots of confrontation with some members, but hopefully our longstanding cooperation with Cotland will continue. We aren't at the point where WWIII would be a good thing in Elephantum.

Alright if i back down on the Liedohod issue, then will you stay in the VCO? Also what is the problem? Your army is lacking right now? I can help build it up. Plus WWIII is still not a certain thing.

My army is fine against most nations, though perhaps not against TOA, but I will decide at the end of this conference then.

Dude, if all of us work together, defending against TOA will not be a problem. Also do you have AIM or MSN?

Official response

The Kingdom looks favorably upon the Elephanti government's decision to leave the VCO, and ensures the Elephanti government that the long-lasting friendship between the Kingdom and the United Sultanates remains strong. However, if Elephantum remains in the VCO, we can only hope that the same remains true. It all depends on the VCO, as the October Alliance will not, I repeat not fire the first shot of a potential war.

OOC I thought that the KV-2 was the good Soviet tank, not the KV-1. Then again, I may be thinking of the IS-2. Anyway, the King Tiger (and the other Tiger variants) were very good tanks, arguably some of the best in the entire war, but it was the poor production rates in Germany and the complexity of the vehicles that caused the war to fail. That, and the allies gaining on all fronts. Or so my history teacher (AKA the History n00b) says...

As per the spreadsheet and the claims list, the Comoros are free. Not no more, as I'm nabbing it now. Hah!

Where is it anyways?

Well, the list says Israel is still open if so, I wish to claim it, gracias.

Well, Israel's still an RP going, but I thought we divided it a month ago. Lay, explain yourself! *angry schoolteacher*

Well, Israel's still an RP going, but I thought we divided it a month ago. Lay, explain yourself! *angry schoolteacher*

Oh, well, I guess I will wait to see what happens, I do want it though, haha, I havent gotten to RP here on NS for almost a year, I was hoping to get some claim in EII so I can start up again.

Eleph, TLS, we need to get the Israel thingy confirmed. According to post 7834 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10040546&postcount=7834), we reached a deal, and in posts 7846 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10040546&postcount=7846) and 7849 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10040546&postcount=7849), it was edited to transfer Central to TLS. So, the division is as follows:


Cotland (me)

Southern/Negev
Gaza

TLS

Jerusalem
Tel Aviv
Central

Elephantum

West Bank
Northern
Haifa

Please confirm it so we can get on with things.

Well in that case, may I have Chad, or at least half of it?

Sorry I claimed your all land, way to many pages for me to be reading in this thread. =P

OOC I thought that the KV-2 was the good Soviet tank, not the KV-1. Then again, I may be thinking of the IS-2. Anyway, the King Tiger (and the other Tiger variants) were very good tanks, arguably some of the best in the entire war, but it was the poor production rates in Germany and the complexity of the vehicles that caused the war to fail. That, and the allies gaining on all fronts. Or so my history teacher (AKA the History n00b) says...[/SIZE]

That is correct King Tiger was the tank with best combat characteristics of the entire war, but that didn't make it the best tank, Germans were unable to massproduce it and in addition lacked air superiority on the western front there they used it most, and back then and any tank could be taken out with a nasty 5000 kilogram bomb dropped from a fighter. Massproduction was the key to winning the war, Germany lost the war then it failed to secure vital natural resources in USSR and Africa and allowed the Western Allies to raid its Industrial complex at free will. And you were correct mate, i did mean to say KV-2, i confuse them sometimes. That thing looks like an ugly monster, was plenty effective though.

Anybody have any at all comments about my fighter picture? Its posted two pages back.

Where is it anyways?

It's an island chain north of Madagascar.

Official Communique From The Roman Government

We are troubled by the recent actions of the Russian Government. Project Liedohod will threaten not just the coastal cities of the world but also world's ecosystems, and dangerously so. Therefore, we are officially joining the embargo of Russia issued by The October Alliance in an effort to curtail this project.

Should Russia pursue other options for its ports, Rome will lift the embargo and provide funding for the project.

Too late to jump on that misguided boat, i am already considering other possibilities. Seriously though, you guys..eh...your "don't know about something must kill it" way of thinking is really ridiculus and counter productive.

Too late to jump on that misguided boat, i am already considering other possibilities. Seriously though, you guys..eh...your "don't know about something must kill it" way of thinking is really ridiculus and counter productive.

Are you formally announcing that you're pursuing other options?

I assumed that all that's been announced is Project Liedohod and there hasn't yet been a formal announcement for alternatives.

Well it hasn't reached outside the walls of the meeting yet, but i am discussing other options with everybody thats present at the non-aggression talks (thats also everybody thats concerned about Project Liedohod and that means you too).

Well it hasn't reached outside the walls of the meeting yet, but i am discussing other options with everybody thats present at the non-aggression talks (thats also everybody thats concerned about Project Liedohod and that means you too).

I'm not going to remove the embargo until it's officially announced that you're pursuing other options (since the public only knows of Project Liedohod).

I don't understand why are you so bent on stopping Proyekt Liedohod? I have explained in detail why it would work, in the end of it all i even stoped Layatreb's rantings. Seriously, why?

I'm back - It's good to see you havn't all stopped hating each other while I was gone:)

@Lay: Thanks for filling in those claims on the maps

I have to say the T-90 is formidable with the 9M119-AT-11 round. It is claimed that round can penetrate 700mm RHAe @ 4000m. However it is worth noting this tank carries an autoloader with only 43 rounds stowed (22 in the carousel). Most tankers will tell you your ammunition will be a mixed bag of what is available, so the T-90 would only be carrying about 10 rounds of this type of ammunition to engage enemy tanks.

Yes granted the Leopard 2 has to close to within 2000 meters to effectively penetrate 500mm RHAe, but at maximum effective range 3500m, a leopard 2 could detrack the T-90 and render it useless. Remember both tanks have the fire on the move capability which makes them much harder to hit.

Now I could not find effective ranges of the M1A2 listed anywhere, but from previous stores I have read, they effectively engaged targets at ranges beyond 3000 meters regularly in Iraq. What they couldn't mop up, Air Cover took care of. The M829A2 120mm APFSDS-T is regarded as the best Anti-Tank Round in the world and that remains to be seen when a side by side comparison is done between the new Russian round.

In summary, yes the T-90 is a formidable weapon on the battlefield, but any system has a weakness. Its up to the opposition to find it and exploit it.

-Hawdawg

I confirm israel

Terronian-you want some islands in the pacific?

I have to say the T-90 is formidable with the 9M119-AT-11 round. It is claimed that round can penetrate 700mm RHAe @ 4000m. However it is worth noting this tank carries an autoloader with only 43 rounds stowed (22 in the carousel). Most tankers will tell you your ammunition will be a mixed bag of what is available, so the T-90 would only be carrying about 10 rounds of this type of ammunition to engage enemy tanks.

Yes granted the Leopard 2 has to close to within 2000 meters to effectively penetrate 500mm RHAe, but at maximum effective range 3500m, a leopard 2 could detrack the T-90 and render it useless. Remember both tanks have the fire on the move capability which makes them much harder to hit.

Now I could not find effective ranges of the M1A2 listed anywhere, but from previous stores I have read, they effectively engaged targets at ranges beyond 3000 meters regularly in Iraq. What they couldn't mop up, Air Cover took care of. The M829A2 120mm APFSDS-T is regarded as the best Anti-Tank Round in the world and that remains to be seen when a side by side comparison is done between the new Russian round.

In summary, yes the T-90 is a formidable weapon on the battlefield, but any system has a weakness. Its up to the opposition to find it and exploit it.

-Hawdawg

Of course, but you also have to consider the price, you can make two T-90s for the cost of one Abrams and 2 T-90s is much better. Any idea then Black Eagle is scheduled to come out officialy? Last time i checked they let it out but only with a camouflage net to hide its turret layout from the observers.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10174801#post10174801

The Phone Call

Attention Marimia

Bloody hell guys why are you suddenly betraying the alliance?

The Black Eagle MBT, or Cherny Oriol in Russian (i think) has been cancelled apparently. This is not for certain, its simply a rumour but it has been gathering credence since the tank was unveiled several years ago. The project has been running since the mid 1990s and it still isn't near completion. Personally I think they were having trouble with the new ARENA system and the rather large gun, and as usual the costs were spiralling.

I would say the rumour might be true, but the Russkies are being very secretive about it.

Sorry for the late reply, but Lay you can probably take me off D13 now. The only reason I didn't have you do it sooner is because I really don't know how much time I can devote here. I'll be getting my leg next week and after that there'll be two to three weeks of physical therapy. So, chances are you can pull me off D13, I've been trying to get more active now in EII.

That is great news man! GREAT NEWS!

Well the project is build mostly on South Korean money, plus the gun it fields is a standard 125 mm, the rounds it uses are better then standard Russian rounds though. ARENA is already proven to work, its not a new system, i doubt they would have any problem with it. They might be having a problem with Kaktus ERA, which supposed to be better then Kontakt-5. I never heard anything about the project being cancelled though, purhapse they are just trying to gather up the funds for mass production which they might finish gathering up soon since Russian Defense Ministry is placing a multibillion order on the armored hardware updates for our army. Yes we finaly got money, to the west i have to say, please don't stop driving.

Another topic for casual discussion. What do you guys think about the Ukrainian/Russian gas dispute?

Well, you seem to be saying all that stuff about Su-27 being a good jet and all. Either way, out of date? Inferior? Poorly made? Get your head out of your ass and smell the coffee, Russian equipment is totally competitive with anything US got (okay i give you F-22) you know it, and all the experts know it. Neither F-15 nor F-16 have anything on the new Russian jets. American attack helicopters can not compare to Mi-28N and Ka-52. BMP-3 is far superior to its american counterpart. Black Eagle MBT can pierce 1000 mms of RHA with its standard issue HE rounds, while front armor of Abrams is 800 mm RHA, while Abrams can't pierce the Kontakt-5 ERA on the T-90. I know you want to support your buddy Cotland and all, but don't be ridiculus.

Yeah the Flankers are the best thing you guys have I've said that and will say that. But I'm not getting into any discussion about Russian hardware with you because you seem to think a T-34 from WWII could blow up an Abrams from 13 km away.

Agreed.

Also, guys, this is getting out of hand. Please, if you want to argue, do it in IM or something, not somewhere where the Mods might get angry.

By all means. Let's having a pissing match on AIM in a chatroom there okay?

Legend

Red: General announcements (21-day, decree 12, etc.)
Blue: Response to your posts (claims, threads, etc.)
Green: Service announcements (to all, RPs, etc.)









Hawdawg [Post 8489]: Thread added.
Hiiran [Post 8516]: Well Chad is yours but the DRC provinces were previously claimed.
Soviet Bloc [Post 8518]: No problem, Degree 13 removed.
TLS [Post 8519]: Appreciate the vote of confidence TLS. :)
Elephantum [Post 8524]: Thread added. I too am trying to organize my military but it's taking forever, three days, and a week.
RomeW [Post 8526]: Non-aggression pact; VCO and TOA (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=460975)
Cotland [Post 8575]: They are near Madagascar. And they are yours.
Terronian [Post 8576]: Israel is one big disaster and these guys really need to post what the division is on it but yes it has been RP'd for the past I don't know how long.
Terronian [Post 8580]: Sorry, Hiiran claimed it back in post 8516. You won't have to check pages though, just check the spreadsheet and the claims list (posts 1 [bttm] and post 2).
Pushka [Post 8582]: Pretty damn good drawing.
Marimaia [Post 8584]: Thread added.






Okay this bickering is getting out of hand. I didn't realize it would get this bad. So may we all please just stop posting here, start up an AIM chatroom, and bitch about it there. If you want we can copy & paste the chatlog into the EOL forums. Or rather, if you want, take the bitching there.
Israel: The division is in post 8579 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10172453&postcount=8579). Cotland & Elephantum have agreed to it (8579 & 8592). TLS it is up to you to confirm the last part.

Yeah the Flankers are the best thing you guys have I've said that and will say that. But I'm not getting into any discussion about Russian hardware with you because you seem to think a T-34 from WWII could blow up an Abrams from 13 km away.

You're being ridiculus again.

You're being ridiculus again.

Take it to the EOL forums. I'll establish a "Bitching Forum" that is entirely OOC and anything goes.

DEBATE FORUM ESTABLISHED

GO DEBATE THERE...OOC, NO HOLDS BARRED, THIS WAY WE DON'T HAVE THE MODS COMING OKAY????

http://s4.invisionfree.com/Empire_of_Layarteb/index.php?showforum=35

Legend

Red: General announcements (21-day, decree 12, etc.)
Blue: Response to your posts (claims, threads, etc.)
Green: Service announcements (to all, RPs, etc.)









Hawdawg [Post 8489]: Thread added.
Hiiran [Post 8516]: Well Chad is yours but the DRC provinces were previously claimed.
Soviet Bloc [Post 8518]: No problem, Degree 13 removed.
TLS [Post 8519]: Appreciate the vote of confidence TLS. :)
Elephantum [Post 8524]: Thread added. I too am trying to organize my military but it's taking forever, three days, and a week.
RomeW [Post 8526]: Non-aggression pact; VCO and TOA (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=460975)
Cotland [Post 8575]: They are near Madagascar. And they are yours.
Terronian [Post 8576]: Israel is one big disaster and these guys really need to post what the division is on it but yes it has been RP'd for the past I don't know how long.
Terronian [Post 8580]: Sorry, Hiiran claimed it back in post 8516. You won't have to check pages though, just check the spreadsheet and the claims list (posts 1 [bttm] and post 2).
Pushka [Post 8582]: Pretty damn good drawing.
Marimaia [Post 8584]: Thread added.






Okay this bickering is getting out of hand. I didn't realize it would get this bad. So may we all please just stop posting here, start up an AIM chatroom, and bitch about it there. If you want we can copy & paste the chatlog into the EOL forums. Or rather, if you want, take the bitching there.
Israel: The division is in post 8579 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10172453&postcount=8579). Cotland & Elephantum have agreed to it (8579 & 8592). TLS it is up to you to confirm the last part.



I confirm.

Okay, it'll take a little bit to get a new map ready and configured.

Israel map & claims ready, done, up.

I am going to work on setting up phpBB based forums on my personal site. Invision Free has been crashing a lot lately and even though Server 4 is much better than Server 13, which has been crashing, they are far more secure and far more easier to manage. I will transfer over stuff that isn't in alliance forums. I will let the leaders of those forums transfer their own stuff in order to maintain secrecy.

Me and Mari have decided on a new decree concerning teh amount of debating.

Decree 14: Given the amount of chaotic and emotional reactions that can come from debating military hardware, history, tactics, and any other real-life topics, it is evident that something needs to be done. Therefore, beginning with post #8609, all debating will be done off-site. The concept of using an off-site forum will keep Nation-States moderators from unnecessarily policing our thread when it isn't necessary. In addition, it will ensure that nobody is forum-banned because of something they said in the heat of the moment. There shall be no debating on the main thread that involves any type of possible heated and emotional topic.

Me and Mari have decided on a new decree concerning teh amount of debating.

Decree 14: Given the amount of chaotic and emotional reactions that can come from debating military hardware, history, tactics, and any other real-life topics, it is evident that something needs to be done. Therefore, beginning with post #8609, all debating will be done off-site. The concept of using an off-site forum will keep Nation-States moderators from unnecessarily policing our thread when it isn't necessary. In addition, it will ensure that nobody is forum-banned because of something they said in the heat of the moment. There shall be no debating on the main thread that involves any type of possible heated and emotional topic.

I hereby endorse the cited Decree.

I hereby endorse the cited Decree.

Coolness. We must protect everyone here. If someone says something bad during a debate and gets forumbanned they will be losing their land because DEAT = total loss. I don't want to have any issues or anything. On my forums, it is up to me to police them and I am not going to be doing much. That debate forum will be for you guys to duke it out.

Hey Layarted, Go ask Bjornoya, we made a deal and we negotiated to get The DRC Provinces listed, Go ahead and confirm it with Bjornoya if you like it.

Hey Layarted, Go ask Bjornoya, we made a deal and we negotiated to get The DRC Provinces listed, Go ahead and confirm it with Bjornoya if you like it.

Layarteb

If he posts confirmation here then you'll get it.

I posted a topic in the debate forum to start things off.

-Hawdawg

I confirm israel

Terronian-you want some islands in the pacific?

Sure I will take it

I posted a topic in the debate forum to start things off.

-Hawdawg

Much appreciated. I thank everyone, in advance, for their cooperation in this matter.

Sure I will take it

Cool. When he posts what you will get, just confirm and you're all set.

Decree 14 saddens me greatly (good-natured debates were fun on this thread), but I understand why it has to be made. However, don't expect me to participate often (or possibly at all) on the debate forum on the EII forums. I have problems using more than 2 forums (I sometimes forget one entirely).

Decree 14 saddens me greatly (good-natured debates were fun on this thread), but I understand why it has to be made. However, don't expect me to participate often (or possibly at all) on the debate forum on the EII forums. I have problems using more than 2 forums (I sometimes forget one entirely).

Basically it's being done because insults are flying, people are flaming, and its getting pretty bad. If it goes further people could face moderator action if one person complains soooo, to avoid all of that, we're going here...

Some funny quotables between me and my friend Dave:

Last Night
James: Getting up at 5a when I am 22? I think I missed the irresponsible stage in my life.
Dave: Yeah.
James: Let's go play with those road flares.

Other Random Times

Dave: What do you think, did some "mighty being" have a finger in creating us?
James: yeah
James: me

Dave: Internet hates me.
James: no
James: its jesus buddy
James: jesus hates u

With the cancellation of Projet Liedohod, the Roman Government is hereby lifting its embargo of Russia in compliance with TOA actions.

To all interested nations

You are cordially invited to the Curia in Rome to a conference to discuss the revival of the Roman Confederacy alliance. It will be an open forum for any nation to air out their concerns with and to raise any questions about the alliance.

Time: 9AM-5PM. Refreshments will be provided.

(OOC: New thread:

Reviving The Roman Confederacy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10178711#post10178711)

This thread is for anyone who wants to join and for anyone who may be worried about the Confederacy's revival, because your worries will be addressed there)

Der Führer officially commends the Elephanti government for leaving the VCO. In the eyes of our Reichskanzler, this has strengthened the Reich's liking of the Elephanti government and improved his stance towards it as well.

Elephantum so do you have aim or msn? Plus the non-aggression pact seems to be moving along smoothly, how is your decision about rejoining VCO doing?

The Emperor is also pleased that the Elephanti government has seen the events of recent as a sign that the possibility of war has never been more blatant and that it must be curbed at all costs.

*********Announcement***********

I made a choice after quite some time. I will no longer be participating in EARTH II.

I am gone and cya.... with the decision we made, I guess Bjornoya now owns Rwanda and Chad.

The Creation of the New Orleans Twin-Cities

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461612

*********Announcement***********

I made a choice after quite some time. I will no longer be participating in EARTH II.

I am gone and cya.... with the decision we made, I guess Bjornoya now owns Rwanda and Chad.

Blah...no problem...you know you are welcome back...

North Germania and I have collaborated, and heh as agreed to give me Lithuana and South Africa.

North Germania and I have collaborated, and heh as agreed to give me Lithuana and South Africa.
Somehow, strangely I doubt that (not sure why, as I've only known him for almost a year), but I'll wait untill he confirms/denies it before I say anything else...

Eh, I believe it. But South Africa has been an important part of the Reich.

Somehow, strangely I doubt that (not sure why, as I've only known him for almost a year), but I'll wait untill he confirms/denies it before I say anything else...

I'm comfortable with waiting until he gives me confirmation. He agreed to give me South Africa if I agreed to wage Total War against The Wick with him. We're friends from other RP's, and I understand the reticence to accept it, so i'll await North Germania's backing before I begin RPing.

Fair?

I've got no problems with waiting, I just find it surprising that he'd give away land. Meh, I'll wait till he gets on before I speak again about this topic...

ATTN: Bjornoya, could we maybe discuss splitting those areas of Chad and Rwanda between us? Down the middle maybe?

The Elephanti Government would propose this for our future in the VCO:

We become a non-voting member. As a non-voting member, we would not be able to vote on issues (ooc: duh), however, we would not be bound by the charter to obey the decision. For example, if a nation proposed war with nation X, we would not vote on the decision, but we would not be obligated to declare war if it passed. This would apply to ALL decisions made by the VCO, including defensive war.

We would ask the VCO members, minus ourselves, to vote on this issue. If we are not accepted as non-voting members, than we shall withdraw from the Organization.

OOC: Propose it on our forums too

We will of course vote on that issue, but i fail to see what would be the point for such a membership, basically you will not perform any tasks of a regular member yet have access to our meetings, i fail to see the benefits for both our sides. In addition if you are not willing to fight a defensive war then that puts you in violation of the rules of the alliance, i fear that you only want this because you want to bail on us and switch sides in an event of aggression from The October Alliance. In addition by not following all decisions do you also mean that you are not obligated to not attack your allies within the organization, and not be obligated to prioritise the organization over any other alliance you might be involved in? Either way, this shall be determined by the vote.

OOC: Seriously though, whats the point? You want to spy on us for the TOA and then they attack us you gonna switch sides? Don't you think we are smart enough to see through that? Sorry to see you go, i still don't understand why, you perfectly fine with the idea of a defensive war against TOA just a week ago. Any reason in particular for the change of heart?

North Germania and I have collaborated, and heh as agreed to give me Lithuana and South Africa.

IF he confirms you got it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461698

Attention Pantheaa

OOC: Propose it on our forums too

We will of course vote on that issue, but i fail to see what would be the point for such a membership, basically you will not perform any tasks of a regular member yet have access to our meetings, i fail to see the benefits for both our sides. In addition if you are not willing to fight a defensive war then that puts you in violation of the rules of the alliance, i fear that you only want this because you want to bail on us and switch sides in an event of aggression from The October Alliance. In addition by not following all decisions do you also mean that you are not obligated to not attack your allies within the organization, and not be obligated to prioritise the organization over any other alliance you might be involved in? Either way, this shall be determined by the vote.

OOC: Seriously though, whats the point? You want to spy on us for the TOA and then they attack us you gonna switch sides? Don't you think we are smart enough to see through that? Sorry to see you go, i still don't understand why, you perfectly fine with the idea of a defensive war against TOA just a week ago. Any reason in particular for the change of heart?

Can't say we asked Elephantum to spy on you for us. Sorry to burst your bubble but his intentions are his own.

Let it be known that WE HOLD ALL OF NORWAY'S allies responable for the recent aggresive act from Norway. As this is clearly a conspiracy against the mighty Pantheans from a imperalist organization

Norway is IN CLEAR VIOLATION OF THEIR NON-AGGRESSION ACT OUTLINED on post #7711 on this very thread!!!!!!

norway's lying will not be tolerated...
If a peaceful resolution is not reached we shall wage war

I WILL NOT DOWNSIZE OR GIVE UP ANY OF MY LAND SIMPLY BECAUSE SOME GREEDY PERSON WHATS IT...IF ITS WAR YOU WANT ITS WAR YOU WILL GET

Let it be known that WE HOLD ALL OF NORWAY'S allies responable for the recent aggresive act from Norway. As this is clearly a conspiracy against the mighty Pantheans from a imperalist organization

Norway is IN CLEAR VIOLATION OF THEIR NON-AGGRESSION ACT OUTLINED on post #7711 on this very thread!!!!!!

norway's lying will not be tolerated...
If a peaceful resolution is not reached we shall wage war

I WILL NOT DOWNSIZE OR GIVE UP ANY OF MY LAND SIMPLY BECAUSE SOME GREEDY PERSON WHATS IT...IF ITS WAR YOU WANT ITS WAR YOU WILL GET
It's 58.5 sq/km of glacier 1,600 nautical miles from anything. Get over it if you want Mauritius and your capital to remain intact...

EDIT: That NAP is almost 1,000 posts away, and thus null and void now. Get over it. All I want is Bouvet Island, but I could make an exception and take Mauritius too...

Can't say we asked Elephantum to spy on you for us. Sorry to burst your bubble but his intentions are his own.

I am not saying you did, i am just saying that its a possibility for him to swithc sides then you attack us to gain better relations with you. Cotland backstabed Roman Confederacy, now he is in TOA, i am just saying that maybe Elephantum is thinking along those lines.

It's 58.5 sq/km of glacier 1,600 nautical miles from anything. Get over it if you want Mauritius and your capital to remain intact...

EDIT: That NAP is almost 1,000 posts away, and thus null and void now. Get over it. All I want is Bouvet Island, but I could make an exception and take Mauritius too...

Cotland what the fuck? Aren't you supposed to be a peaceful freedom loving nation?

I'm an ally of Norway/Cotland and I wasn't involved in any attacks 0o

Are you going to point a finger at me and say I had anything to do with it, or are you going to re-word that?

Cotland what the fuck? Aren't you supposed to be a peaceful freedom loving nation?
Yeah, and I'm acting in order to protect my country's freedom. In my eyes, he's occupying Norwegian territory. Hence, I'm protecting my countrys freedom from communism.

Note to self:

http://www.ilstu.edu/~dhammel/images2/World%20map.jpg

I am not saying you did, i am just saying that its a possibility for him to swithc sides then you attack us to gain better relations with you. Cotland backstabed Roman Confederacy, now he is in TOA, i am just saying that maybe Elephantum is thinking along those lines.

So doubtful.

So doubtful.

I STILL want to be somewhat alligned to TOA in some way shape or form...

So doubtful.

Thats why i am asking.

His Imperial Highness today denounced his Divinity, declaring that all of the Japanese Empire be made a Republic on this day. He said nothing else, but smiled to his people down below him. He turned away, and walked slowly away from sight. The People responded in confusion, and returned to their homes yet dazzled. Later that evening an appointed man, Temporary Prime Minister of Japan, spoke in Parliament on an international basis. He had announced that he shall lead Japan untill they reach a time to vote for their new leader, and that things shall resume normally as before. That is all for today.

OOC - A new year, a new me!

It's 58.5 sq/km of glacier 1,600 nautical miles from anything. Get over it if you want Mauritius and your capital to remain intact...

EDIT: That NAP is almost 1,000 posts away, and thus null and void now. Get over it. All I want is Bouvet Island, but I could make an exception and take Mauritius too...

I been offering a peaceful exchange of Bouvet FOR AGES NOW with an fair land exchange. If all you want is Bouvet like you say then you would agree to the said exchange. But because you refuse you are imperalist who desires war over peace, and because your apart of an "alliance" i can't attack you as just like you want Bouvet i want Murmansk or North Eqypt. So therefor all allies of Norway are responiable for this invasion of Pantheaa.

I been offering a peaceful exchange of Bouvet FOR AGES NOW with an fair land exchange. If all you want is Bouvet like you say then you would agree to the said exchange. But because you refuse you are imperalist who desires war over peace, and because your apart of an "alliance" i can't attack you as just like you want Bouvet i want Murmansk or North Eqypt. So therefor all allies of Norway are responiable for this invasion of Pantheaa.

Are you still saying that I am a part of that Responsibility? I am not in TOA, but I am allied to Cotland 0o.

I STILL want to be somewhat alligned to TOA in some way shape or form...

Where'd that come from? That topic was Elephantum lol...

Where'd that come from? That topic was Elephantum lol...

Why arn't you on AIM?

Also, has anyone noticed my post about...well...umm...here it has something to do with two things -

Republic and Japan

Are you still saying that I am a part of that Responsibility? I am not in TOA, but I am allied to Cotland 0o.

Aren't you also allied to Marimia?

Why arn't you on AIM?

Also, has anyone noticed my post about...well...umm...here it has something to do with two things -

Republic and Japan

Slow on the uptake tonight. Was getting too many IMs that were bugging me.

Aren't you also allied to Marimia?

Marimaia and yes I have been lazy to speak with him AND you about the three-way alliance that Marimaia mentioned to me once before. Things would be uberly complicated.

Yeah, and I'm acting in order to protect my country's freedom. In my eyes, he's occupying Norwegian territory. Hence, I'm protecting my countrys freedom from communism.

yeah and Slovakia is rightfully mine as it was the first nation i started out when i entered E2. When i was blackmailed by NG i moved to Russia my first Russia territory was Orenburg. I been in Russia long enough to call my people a Russian Race because the refugee slovakians mixed with the Russians left there. Your actions give me every right to begin my invasion of Russia and Europe, Hirgastan is a foreign occupier in Russia as he is non Russian!

Volgograd territory will be our first target and i have a justfiable reason for my war...using Norways same kind of thinking

Pantheans refuse to become the Kurds of E2

an invasion of Japen would be imperalism...no we will not invaded Japen...But if you go to war with Norway, then we will fight Japen as then our fight will turn into a defensive war

I been offering a peaceful exchange of Bouvet FOR AGES NOW with an fair land exchange. If all you want is Bouvet like you say then you would agree to the said exchange. But because you refuse you are imperalist who desires war over peace, and because your apart of an "alliance" i can't attack you as just like you want Bouvet i want Murmansk or North Eqypt. So therefor all allies of Norway are responiable for this invasion of Pantheaa.
If you think back, I offered a trillion dollars for Bouvet Island. That's $17.094 billion per square kilometer. Besides, I haven't attacked you. Read the post before you squeal out invasion. Where did my ships voilate your territorial waters? Where did I land troops? Show me.

yeah and Slovakia is rightfully mine as it was the first nation i started out when i entered E2. When i was blackmailed by NG i moved to Russia my first Russia territory was Orenburg. I been in Russia long enough to call my people a Russian Race because the refugee slovakians mixed with the Russians left there. Your actions give me every right to begin my invasion of Russia and Europe, Hirgastan is a foreign occupier in Russia as he is non Russian!

Volgograd territory will be our first target and i have a justfiable reason for my war...using Norways same kind of thinking

Pantheans refuse to become the Kurds of E2

an invasion of Japen would be imperalism...no we will not invaded Japen...But if you go to war with Norway, then we will fight Japen as then our fight will turn into a defensive war

That last bit was confusing.

'If Japan goes to war, then we will fight Japan' is what I got out of that.

By the way, I hold only one grudge on you. And that is you invading my friend Nerotika when he was incapable of posting, and not that he refused. I still feel some anquish twards Layarteb as I kept reminding why, but I am not going to hold anything against him for putting him on the inactive list thus dubbing him 'invadable'. So really, you invaded and conquered an Ethnic Russian nation, somewhat contradicting your own beliefes about this entire war you want to have. I have my own agenda however, and the only thing Russia I will be taking is Sakhalin and Kyru islands as they arn't even Russian to begin with, they are Japanese.

( Not by force, I have just been waiting for ever to have Anderhervia talk to me about it again. )

That last bit was confusing.

'If Japan goes to war, then we will fight Japan' is what I got out of that.

By the way, I hold only one grudge on you. And that is you invading my friend Nerotika when he was incapable of posting, and not that he refused. I still feel some anquish twards Layarteb as I kept reminding why, but I am not going to hold anything against him for putting him on the inactive list thus dubbing him 'invadable'. So really, you invaded and conquered an Ethnic Russian nation, somewhat contradicting your own beliefes about this entire war you want to have. I have my own agenda however, and the only thing Russia I will be taking is Sakhalin and Kyru islands as they arn't even Russian to begin with, they are Japanese.

Are those the islands Russia and Japan have problems with in RL? Cause they are Russian, Japan took them over in the Ruso-Japanese war, held them for 40 years and what they are suddenly japanese?

Probably the last sentence which stated "and that was one of the reasons why the Kingdom of Norway wanted to take it back from the hands of Pantheaa"

or "it is my intenition to annex Norway"

And why exactly do you send fighter jets if not to invade and then say that civilains who are on land won't be harmed

Are those the islands Russia and Japan have problems with in RL? Cause they are Russian, Japan took them over in the Ruso-Japanese war, held them for 40 years and what they are suddenly japanese?

Gotta love the Kurile Islands. Only thing is that in 1875, they were exchanged for Sakhalin. Russia got Sakhalin and Japan got Kuril. That was the Treaty of Saint Petersburg. Then in WWII, after declaring war and shooting a few Japanese in Manchuria, you were given them back because, as part of declaring war, you would be able to take all the benefits as the rest of the allies.

Yeap, no way Japan is getting them in RL.

Kuril*, I kept mis-spelling it :-/.

Anyways, I solely believe that the Russians can go suck a dick because Kuril is Japanese, Sakhalin was densely populated by people who originated from Japan so many years before Japan was even Japan and Sakhalin was even Russian. If you ask me, they WILL be Japanese in this RP and I will see you and every last man under your command in hell before I let any Russian Socialist Idealist keep them from my control solely because he believes they are a part of some Motherland that has failed in more than many conflicts.

Kuril or Kurile is fine. If you two turn it into a pissing match you know where to go.

Okay maybe my post was a bit harsh, but I stand on a basis of Blood Rites, not Political Rites.

What are you even talking about? I am not trying to take them away from you on EII, i couldn't care less, i am simply letting you know the realities of the real world. Those islands are Russian and were Russian, and there is nothing Japan can do about it. By your logic, Japan is Chinese, since all of its people came from China.

Just saying. If this is going to bring out strong emotions feel free to tear each other limb from limb on the EOL forums, that is what they are there for and if I ever get a phpBB up where I am 100% in control of it you guys can literally just curse each other out.

Kuril*, I kept mis-spelling it :-/.

Anyways, I solely believe that the Russians can go suck a dick because Kuril is Japanese, Sakhalin was densely populated by people who originated from Japan so many years before Japan was even Japan and Sakhalin was even Russian. If you ask me, they WILL be Japanese in this RP and I will see you and every last man under your command in hell before I let any Russian Socialist Idealist keep them from my control solely because he believes they are a part of some Motherland that has failed in more than many conflicts.

If Norway takes Bouvet then we will support an invasion of those islands which clearly belongs to Japen. If Norway can reclaim is Norweigan lands then Japen and Pantheaa can reclaim theirs through aggresive force

If Norway takes Bouvet then we will support an invasion of those islands which clearly belongs to Japen. If Norway can reclaim is Norweigan lands then Japen and Pantheaa can reclaim theirs through aggresive force
wtf are you talking about? You should learn spelling and how to formulate yourself...

Just saying. If this is going to bring out strong emotions feel free to tear each other limb from limb on the EOL forums, that is what they are there for and if I ever get a phpBB up where I am 100% in control of it you guys can literally just curse each other out.

Don't worry, i am not going to let this escalate.

Yes but Sakhalin and Kuril Islands have never grew into developing their own National Identity and most Unique Culture and Seperate Language.

Sakhalin and Kuril Islands speak mainly Japanese with Russian influences.

China speaks two different languages mainly, Mandarin and Cantanese.

Japan speaks Japanese, and writes in a different way in which they invented their selves based off of the Chinese alphabet.

If Japan didn't, I can see where my own contradiction stands. But Japan has, Sakhalin and Kuril Islands havn't.

Also, I was stating my seriousness with taking those Islands either Politically/Economically or Agressively. I in no way intended to have to worry about Pushkans stopping me in my tracks.

Don't be make fun of my edmatcation...i be intelligent harvard grad

Yes but Sakhalin and Kuril Islands have never grew into developing their own National Identity and most Unique Culture and Seperate Language.

Sakhalin and Kuril Islands speak mainly Japanese with Russian influences.

China speaks two different languages mainly, Mandarin and Cantanese.

Japan speaks Japanese, and writes in a different way in which they invented their selves based off of the Chinese alphabet.

If Japan didn't, I can see where my own contradiction stands. But Japan has, Sakhalin and Kuril Islands havn't.

Also, I was stating my seriousness with taking those Islands either Politically/Economically or Agressively. I in no way intended to have to worry about Pushkans stopping me in my tracks.

Let me repeat myself, i couldn't care less about those islands on EII, i am not stopping you in your tracks.

Let me Emphasize -

'I am not worried about Pushkans stopping me in my tracks.'

I do know you were speaking about it RL and I was leaning more on EII, but I was just making my self clear to anyone who may be reading, not just you. Note that I have not mentioned ' Oh my God, he's gonna invade me! OH NOES!!!! '

Let it be known that WE HOLD ALL OF NORWAY'S allies responable for the recent aggresive act from Norway. As this is clearly a conspiracy against the mighty Pantheans from a imperalist organization

Norway is IN CLEAR VIOLATION OF THEIR NON-AGGRESSION ACT OUTLINED on post #7711 on this very thread!!!!!!

norway's lying will not be tolerated...
If a peaceful resolution is not reached we shall wage war

I WILL NOT DOWNSIZE OR GIVE UP ANY OF MY LAND SIMPLY BECAUSE SOME GREEDY PERSON WHATS IT...IF ITS WAR YOU WANT ITS WAR YOU WILL GET

Official Reponse from The Holy Republic of Hawdawg

We find the rants of Pantheaa Government to be troublesome. We have been allied with Norway since the time both our small nations held positions in Egypt. We where both members of the Roman Confederacy and have been mutually aiding each others nation for sometime. The King is free to do what he wills in his own government. Who am I to tell him how to run his business? The propostorous claims made against our ally warrant us to issue this warning. If the Pantheaa Government wants to slug it out with the Norwegians, we will do all in our power to aide our friend in this conflict. This might include supplies, ordinance, usage of facilities around the world, and could also mean actual deployment of Hawdawgian Troops. We currently stand at COND-2 and surely hope the Pantheaan Government will stand down from the "sabre-rattling" as it is very unbecoming of a President for Life. P.S. We remember when you threatened to take Norway from our possessions many years ago and we haven't forgotten. In short, if you feel froggy then jump.

Signed,

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

ALL VCO MEMBERS CHECK OUR FORUMS

Elephantum, just incase you skiped the last i asked. Whats the reason for the sudden change of heart about TOA issue?

ATTN: Layarteb

Bjornoya has agreed to give me Rwanda.

Is he even here? He said that he won't be here till January. Why would he give you Rwanda? Did you threaten him?

In addition Hiiran owns Rwanda, not Bjornoya.

Thats the thing with this thread, it moves too fast so people can't keep up.
Not your fault Pushka.

Hiraan quite E2 for some reason, said a few pages back. His lands went to Bjornoya as they had agreed. I've been wanting Rwanda for a while so I TG'd Bjornoya asking him if I could take Rwanda and he take Chad, and he agreed, and no I didn't threaten him.

I was going to say something not so good, but I chose to ignore it and instead wish you all a

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!

and enjoy the holiday spirit. Let's hope that things will be more peaceful here in 2006. ;)

Thats the thing with this thread, it moves too fast so people can't keep up.
Not your fault Pushka.

Hiraan quite E2 for some reason, said a few pages back. His lands went to Bjornoya as they had agreed. I've been wanting Rwanda for a while so I TG'd Bjornoya asking him if I could take Rwanda and he take Chad, and he agreed, and no I didn't threaten him.

Okay then, happy new year.

Have you guys noticed how people keep dropping out of EII like flies?

All islands in the pacific, EXCEPT Koror, go to Terronian

Pushka Decided to try and salvage a few old alliances, besides, if I was still opposed to TOA, I'd have to be in support of Pantheaa.

There are three kinds of people in E2, the claim-and-never-visit-the-thread-again kind, who get D12ed, the crazy nuts like me who stay here forever, and the people who get bored/scared off.


Cotland/Pantheaa I still have the flag act against Pantheaa from Israel, and Pantheaan actions in Israel have all three People of The Book (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, which combined form most of my population), pissed off. Besides, descration of the holy sites of any religion attacking a culture. Attacking a culture that includes the world's two biggest religions (Islam and Christianity) wasnt smart.

What about all islands in the Pacific?

This is slowly going to turn into world war. If it does, wait till i hit a billion people in population so i can tag onto the winner near the end and take land without any loss of life.

Just kidding but seriously.

i meant all of my islands

All islands in the pacific, EXCEPT Koror, go to Terronian

Pushka Decided to try and salvage a few old alliances, besides, if I was still opposed to TOA, I'd have to be in support of Pantheaa.

There are three kinds of people in E2, the claim-and-never-visit-the-thread-again kind, who get D12ed, the crazy nuts like me who stay here forever, and the people who get bored/scared off.

You would have to be supporting Pantheaa? Why? So far i am condeming Cotland's actions because they are unfair, i doubt it will escalate into a major conflict. Why would you salvage those alliances if you could remain in a much stronger and better one?

Also does this mean that you will go to war against us if TOA attacks?

I was going to say something not so good, but I chose to ignore it and instead wish you all a

HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!

and enjoy the holiday spirit. Let's hope that things will be more peaceful here in 2006. ;)

Yeap...see you all next year, I think all the Rps are on temporary halt don't you guys?

You would have to be supporting Pantheaa? Why? So far i am condeming Cotland's actions because they are unfair, i doubt it will escalate into a major conflict. Why would you salvage those alliances if you could remain in a much stronger and better one?

Also does this mean that you will go to war against us if TOA attacks?

Damn he found out our uber-secret plan.

For reals?

Yeap...see you all next year, I think all the Rps are on temporary halt don't you guys?

Fo' real? Sweeeetness.

Lol ya don't be given' my islands to Terronian ;)


Happy New Year, all!!11111:fluffle:

Its already 2006 over here! I am gonna go get drunk, see ya in a week.

Happy New Year Everyone!

Happy New Year Everyone!

--0-0-0-0-0-0--

I have returned, thanks for not killing me. Lots of business to make up, will updtate BISE later today.

BTW, does anyone have an old B-24 I could have?

I accept Chad and Rwanda from Hiiraan, and offer Rwanda to by Hirgizstan.

Oh yeah, I am also trading all of my Mexican territorial claims for N.Rican Angola.

Could a few people critique my factbook (link in my signature)

Psychotika is giving me Tasmania. The Imperial Republic of Azimeth on Earth II has been born!

Mesuh confirms this.

Happy New Year all.

Anyone got any land for sale? I feel like expanding my territory.

I confirm the deal Bjornoya explained.

It is confirmed, ladies and gentlemen, Riptide Monzarc is our newest member to EII.

He is receiving the following from me: Lithuania, Kaliningrad Oblast and we are in alliance.

However, waging war on The WIck is his decision. If he does, he will receive my support.

-- Kübler

The People's Confederation officially declares war on Liebermonk. Liechtenstein will soon be the hands of the workers.

Marching Hammers (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461906)

After he win Liechtenstien i will offer Norway Bouvet Island

i meant all of my islands

I except, thats kind of you Elephantum, if there is ay thing you need in the future ask, I am a 4 Bil pop and have a strong military.

The Reich will not allow the Pantheaan military to cross through Europe in an attempt to invade a completely peaceful, historically neutral country. If you wish to invade Lichtenstein, be prepared to invade the Reich as well as the October Alliance.

Pushka, I'm moving several armies towards the East. Do not worry, they have no interest in attacking Russia. They are being positioned there in case Pantheaa attempts to invade the Reich.

I accept Rwanda from Bjornoya.

Sorry to be a pain, but is there a list anywhere of countries by which alliance they are in.

Please note that Tasmanian Island has now become The Imperial Republic of Azimeth...Just making sure all of you recognize my nation. Thank you.

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THANK YOU

Is the Andromedan ever going to post on this thread again? If not the I claim his Brazilian territories. I'll check the 60 days thing first too, just to make sure...

Legend

Red: General announcements (21-day, decree 12, etc.)
Blue: Response to your posts (claims, threads, etc.)
Green: Service announcements (to all, RPs, etc.)









RomeW [Post 8621]: Thread added.
Hiiraan [Post 8625]: As you command.
NG [Post 8626]: Thread added.
Cotland [Post 8637]: Thread added.
Pyschotika [Post 8649]: Does this mean I have to change your name now?
Pushka [Post 8683]: I've noticed a few tanked lately but they all cited personal reasons and who am I to argue with that. I wish they wouldn't go but now we have some new blood now so.
Bjornoya [Post 8696]: Okay so Chad to you and Rwanda to you to Hirgizstan. Simple enough. If you need a B-24 I can hook you up. We have some in museums and stuff and a few flying replicas. Check your telegrams.
Azimeth [Post 8699]: Welcome to E2.
NG/Riptide Monzarc [Post 8703]: Well in post 8628 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10179972&postcount=8628) Riptide said it was Lithuania and South Africa. Since now you say Lithuania and Kaliningrad. I'm granting just Lith for now until you two straighten out whether its S.A. or Kalinin.
Pantheaa [Post 8704]: Thread added.
Terronian/Elephantum [Post 8705]: Okay land changed. All your islands except Koror.
Huahin [Post 8709]: There will be a list once those new forums come online. I am having some problems with the stupid server and I am trying to get tech support to realize it's slower than balls.






Please pay attention to Post 8711 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10190360&postcount=8711).

Legend
NG/Riptide Monzarc [Post 8703]: Well in post 8628 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10179972&postcount=8628) Riptide said it was Lithuania and South Africa. Since now you say Lithuania and Kaliningrad. I'm granting just Lith for now until you two straighten out whether its S.A. or Kalinin.[/color]

I originally wanted South Africa, but I compromised and accepted Kaliningrad instead. My complete territorial claims in EII are Lithuania and Kaliningrad.

I originally wanted South Africa, but I compromised and accepted Kaliningrad instead. My complete territorial claims in EII are Lithuania and Kaliningrad.

Oki doki that explains it. Have fun with Kaliningrad. You might want to read this:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380343

That's why I left in the first place

You didn't upload the entire map again, Lay (it's the Yurup one).

You didn't upload the entire map again, Lay (it's the Yurup one).

Yurup? WTF is that?

Yurup? WTF is that?

Oh nevermind...

lol

Yurup? WTF is that?

Pffft, you really are a stupid one :D

Pffft, you really are a stupid one :D

eh...it's New Year's Day.

I am getting a server migration so I won't be able to edit or update my site for 24 - 48 hours. Please be patient and thank you.

I hope the migration is the reason logging onto the new page is uber slow. I finally gave up.

-Hawdawg

I hope the migration is the reason logging onto the new page is uber slow. I finally gave up.

-Hawdawg

Yes. I did multitple tests. After 5 minutes & 19 seconds it would just time out on me and say Page Cannot Be Displayed. Cotland had the same results. Mari caught it when it worked. And I've had nothing but problems.

Yes. I did multitple tests. After 5 minutes & 19 seconds it would just time out on me and say Page Cannot Be Displayed. Cotland had the same results. Mari caught it when it worked. And I've had nothing but problems.

Reminds me of Freenet...

The newest version of my nation's world factbook entry: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462010

Reminds me of Freenet...

Yeah but I pay.

Yeah but I pay.

Ouch.

Ouch.

Yeah well it's worth it though, no ads, lots of space, no limits, and great tech-support.

Yeah well it's worth it though, no ads, lots of space, no limits, and great tech-support.

Compared to freenet...

*shudders* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet#Controversy)

That are why I do not use that. I use Azureus. For perfectly legal purposes.


*runs away*

Compared to freenet...

*shudders* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet#Controversy)

That are why I do not use that. I use Azureus. For perfectly legal purposes.


*runs away*

LMFAO! That's sick & twisted & scary.

LMFAO! That's sick & twisted & scary.

I have a friend who uses it because he is pretty paranoid about the government spying on him (I've accepted it as a part of life :p). Of course, that's just what he says...

I have a friend who uses it because he is pretty paranoid about the government spying on him (I've accepted it as a part of life :p). Of course, that's just what he says...

Eh if the government wants to spy they can. I'll even let them watch my pornos, I don't have anything to hide. I'm a good citizen.

I am concerned guilty until proven innocent is becoming a scarce commodity. They can try and look at my stuff but they better have a court order. My rights are just as important as O.J.'s. Buy oops by the way has he ever found that killer lurking around on the 17th green?

-Hawdawg

I am concerned guilty until proven innocent is becoming a scarce commodity. They can try and look at my stuff but they better have a court order. My rights are just as important as O.J.'s. Buy oops by the way has he ever found that killer lurking around on the 17th green?

-Hawdawg

I saw him in Stop & Shop the other day.

Southern Australia sold to Terronian for 2.4T Reichsmarks. Victoria sold to Azimeth for 2.2T Reichsmarks and a naval base in Azim, Tasmania.

Confirmed. Money currently being transferred at 100 million a day. [Real Life]

The Conflicted Empire/Republic of Japan here-by states it's full support of an invasion of the WIck, but is sad to report that any help to be sent with-in a suitable time will not be possible. Or nation is going under severe changes, and may delay some things. But don't be frightened, what shall result will be a free Republic of Japan. We hope to remain active in the International channel during this change.

http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5272/ozmap1skycam2sv.jpg

The blue that isn't whited out goes to Azimeth.

I colored Victoria blue because NG gave Azimeth that too apparently.

^_^

The Imperial Republic of Azimeth confirms this. Also...NG didn't GIVE Victoria to me, I paid for it. =P

The Roman Empire hereby extends official recognition to the new Imperial Republic of Azimeth hopes our honourable nations can establish diplomatic relations in the near future.

OOC - I don't think Rome and Japan have established peaceful relations yet...infact last I heard we were both looking at each other from our distant thrones, waiting for one another to slip up or something because of Caledonia lol.

OOC - I don't think Rome and Japan have established peaceful relations yet...infact last I heard we were both looking at each other from our distant thrones, waiting for one another to slip up or something because of Caledonia lol.

I don't think I paid much attention to you then- I was just concerned with encircling The Macabees.

I'm not interested in war with you either- I just assume that for nations such as yours relations have already been set up because you've spent so much time here on Earth II, so I don't need to make an announcement.

http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5272/ozmap1skycam2sv.jpg

The blue that isn't whited out goes to Azimeth.

I colored Victoria blue because NG gave Azimeth that too apparently.

^_^
Just FYI, Canberra, New South Wales, Queensland and Northern Territory remains mine. Don't you try to nab it away from me! :)

No offense, Psy, but could you have chosen a better map? You're map is weird and confusing.

I don't think I paid much attention to you then- I was just concerned with encircling The Macabees.

I'm not interested in war with you either- I just assume that for nations such as yours relations have already been set up because you've spent so much time here on Earth II, so I don't need to make an announcement.



Lol no one ever pays attention to Psychotika.:D

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462102

The "Summer Olympics"

Just FYI, Canberra, New South Wales, Queensland and Northern Territory remains mine. Don't you try to nab it away from me! :)

Cotland, I have no intention of risking my nation's economy or military to take any of your Australian territory; so don't worry about it. Furthermore, the blue dots with blue lines mean absoloutely nothing. Blame it on Psych, he's a nub. ;)

...

1. I really thought you guys wouldn't be stupid as hell enough to not be able to read a map, and not be able to tell that PAINT can't do FADED lines like the line there from whoever used that map first.

2. Cotland doesn't have to be a smartass either.

3. If I remember correctly, Rome mentioned something about wanting to invade Japan during the Caledonia thing.

4. Kreynoria, I don't think anyone has even payed attention to your insignificance until the Caledonia thing. And the only reason why any one still mentions you is because people are worried about the after affects, not to mention Layarteb doesn't want me to gain too much control so he tries to keep people interested in you although Honolulu could be erased from the map very easy by even some of our newer members.

5. If you realy can't read that map, then here :

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5378/austbig3ro.gif

Sorry I don't have Photoshop on this new Computer yet, also I havn't been getting any sleep all week long so I didn't care how the map looked like, as long as people could read it with their own BASIC knowledge of who actually has what.

Note to Layarteb -

Perth remains mine, so that line starts right under Perth.

Hey, just joking. Don't get hell-hopping over something small like that.

EDIT: Honolulu survived attack by Hawdawg.

EDIT2: I am virtuallly unconquerable as you'll have to invade tens of thousands of inhabited islands.

EDIT3: I stood my ground to Cotland and Layarteb