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what time zones are you all in, (im in est, gmt-5) i need the info to rp later, and so i dont sit around my comp waiting for a reasponse that wont come for 12 hrs.

I too am EST (GMT - 5).

Yeah you definitely have the capability :) but not sure if you have the weapons. They don't come armed.

no? damn. ill work on that, there must be plenty of sellers, if you sell, i go to you first.

also, can the festivities not start till next monday, thats when i get back from Washington DC. i would greatly appreciate it.

no? damn. ill work on that, there must be plenty of sellers, if you sell, i go to you first.

also, can the festivities not start till next monday, thats when i get back from Washington DC. i would greatly appreciate it.

Nope, I don't sell any WMD or nuclear material except in reactors on ships & subs (only) and that stuff is not weapons grade.

what time zones are you all in, (im in est, gmt-5) i need the info to rp later, and so i dont sit around my comp waiting for a reasponse that wont come for 12 hrs.
I'm in CET (GMT +1)

Never mind, I forgot about the whole World War deal.

Just to let it be known, I would definitely participate in that, The only Alliance I am in has degraded almost to the point of being defunct, so I would be a total wild card.

Hmmm. Lots to get caught up on. Quick summary.

1. I'd be willing to participate in a World War. Of course, I'm not in any of the major alliances, so everyone on the American continents could get to sweat about me tipping the balance there.

2. I don't buy the "October Alliance has the best tech" argument. Show us OOC what you mean by that. I'd have to say that the ships I buy from Sarzonia are more advanced than the ships I see the OA use. Most people's aircrafts are relatively the same. Ground-wise, I have advantage in artill;ery, tie in MBTs, lose a bit in light tanks, have the advantage in light vehicles, and tie in infantry. And that's with cross sections from the entirety of theOA. Tech is not advanced because you share it. It's advanced because you spend on it, researxch it, and start using it. And though the OA may have advantages against any opponent they face in some area, they'll have disadvantages in others and if it's a world war, you'll see a lot of places for disadvantages to happen.

That was long and was basically to head off any "My tech is better, so I win" arguments which may occur in the future. That, and I have to protecty the integrity of the fine ships and planes made for me by Sarzonia. :)

3. What was 3.....ah, yes, Binthor. Still any decision? He's active on his nation, but most certainly not on the forums. I want to work with this, but it has just taken so long with no word back. PLEASE, someone, just tell me what's going on. Thank you.

4. Right. All you nations scared about a world war- suck it up. WE can rebuild, we can all help move fighting to areas we really don't want destroyed, we can give as good as we get. I wan ACTION. I want RUIN. I want troops leaping up to the top of Ministry buildings and unfurling flags over (example) the burning skyline of Rome and the Vatican, while MLRS systems begin shelling from outside of the coliseum. Yes, it may be against some wishes for battles to take place in our capitals, including mine (wishes and capital). But hey, as long as it's good for the story line. I'll offer up some crazy fights against my territory at some point. Of course, you may not win said fight, but oh well......

5. Anything else.....hmmmmm.....not that I can think of......right. Nukes. I've got a nifty site we can use if we need to, I would support a UN idea, and I say the a few people start working with me on that Caribbean idea. This is all.

Thanks NG, i feel a little better now, im fine withthe war.

By the way, if your in the RC, i need you to check the post i made in the forum!!!!

OOC:

Aye, James. Subs, fighters, and bombers we developed work nice.

Not to mention that guidance chip in a Vodka bottle.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8497955#post8497955

The first step on the path towards my Ultra-weapons!

Layarteb, im done with my thread on the galapagos. i consider it a complete takeover. ill continue with the project if it gets passed.

Hmmm. Lots to get caught up on. Quick summary.

1. I'd be willing to participate in a World War. Of course, I'm not in any of the major alliances, so everyone on the American continents could get to sweat about me tipping the balance there.

2. I don't buy the "October Alliance has the best tech" argument. Show us OOC what you mean by that. I'd have to say that the ships I buy from Sarzonia are more advanced than the ships I see the OA use. Most people's aircrafts are relatively the same. Ground-wise, I have advantage in artill;ery, tie in MBTs, lose a bit in light tanks, have the advantage in light vehicles, and tie in infantry. And that's with cross sections from the entirety of theOA. Tech is not advanced because you share it. It's advanced because you spend on it, researxch it, and start using it. And though the OA may have advantages against any opponent they face in some area, they'll have disadvantages in others and if it's a world war, you'll see a lot of places for disadvantages to happen.

That was long and was basically to head off any "My tech is better, so I win" arguments which may occur in the future. That, and I have to protecty the integrity of the fine ships and planes made for me by Sarzonia. :)

3. What was 3.....ah, yes, Binthor. Still any decision? He's active on his nation, but most certainly not on the forums. I want to work with this, but it has just taken so long with no word back. PLEASE, someone, just tell me what's going on. Thank you.

4. Right. All you nations scared about a world war- suck it up. WE can rebuild, we can all help move fighting to areas we really don't want destroyed, we can give as good as we get. I wan ACTION. I want RUIN. I want troops leaping up to the top of Ministry buildings and unfurling flags over (example) the burning skyline of Rome and the Vatican, while MLRS systems begin shelling from outside of the coliseum. Yes, it may be against some wishes for battles to take place in our capitals, including mine (wishes and capital). But hey, as long as it's good for the story line. I'll offer up some crazy fights against my territory at some point. Of course, you may not win said fight, but oh well......

5. Anything else.....hmmmmm.....not that I can think of......right. Nukes. I've got a nifty site we can use if we need to, I would support a UN idea, and I say the a few people start working with me on that Caribbean idea. This is all.

I agree with you on every count!

Just cuz you guys were made in October doesn't mean you're beter than us!

I agree with you on every count!

Just cuz you guys were made in October doesn't mean you're beter than us!

October, how cute.
;)

Oh, just a warning: no one send a nuke at me. I've got one single ICBM that can destroy all life on Earth three times over. So, let's keep the nukes away from NG. Agreed?

Samtonia, go on MIRC.

The only nukes I'll use, if I will use nukes, will be tactical warheads. Other then that, I use gas..

Oh, just a warning: no one send a nuke at me. I've got one single ICBM that can destroy all life on Earth three times over. So, let's keep the nukes away from NG. Agreed?
Psssah. Who needs an ICBM? (Not saying they're bad, or that I don't have a bomb that does the same thing) I'd just detonate all my nukes at once on the ground. It'll cause a decay in the Earth's orbit, culminating in the planet smashing right into the sun and destroying ouur galaxy. Don't believe me? Check the physiscs. It's perfectly feasible. So don't threaten me! Or I'll blow up the world!*


*Note that blowing up may actually include the following: Decaying orbit to cause shifts in gravity, causing moon to smash into Earth; Earth rocketed into far space to freeze slowly without the requisite sunlight; Earth knocked off orbit into a black hole and swallowed; Earth actually splitting down to the core and breaking apart; Earth vomiting up portions of inner core, causing radical collapse and implosion of planet; and a host of other maladies. Yeah, who's bad now bizatches?!?

(Hey, I'm Roman. Do you REALLY think I want to give up land? ;) )


Err, sorry but all the Romans have been long dead.....you arn't Roman, but your Italian ancestry may be that of Rome, but not thee Roman empire. I made that same mistake too. But then I ultimately found out I am SICILIAN.

Oh, just a warning: no one send a nuke at me. I've got one single ICBM that can destroy all life on Earth three times over. So, let's keep the nukes away from NG. Agreed?

You really are an idiot, aren't you?

You would blow up the entire planet? Just to retaliate for one nuke landing in your country?

NG=Not very smart.

Err, sorry but all the Romans have been long dead.....you arn't Roman, but your Italian ancestry may be that of Rome, but not thee Roman empire. I made that same mistake too. But then I ultimately found out I am SICILIAN.

I'm Assyrian!

Biiiiiatch!

Just don't attract mod attention!

I'll show you bastards to nuke me! How do you like this?! *pushes the super-nuke button* Ha, there goes your precious Earth, oh wait, I'm dead too. Crap, I hadn't thought of that.

:rolleyes:

You really are an idiot, aren't you?

You would blow up the entire planet? Just to retaliate for one nuke landing in your country?

NG=Not very smart.

*sniff*

Do I smell a....war afoot?

And reply to your other post TLS:

Cool. I'm Sicilian.

cotland1987 [6:56 PM]: so? According to the Confederacy rules neither I nor you are allowed to call in Confederacy help when we're fighting eachother

<snip>

In summary, my spies will steal secret, blasphemous information from the Cots so that my dictator can begin work on his world-conquering army (made up of Genetically-enhanced soldiers and sentient machines) and his "doomsday device"(basically an Uber-space cannon guarded by alot of my space-frigates, soldiers, and anti-missile guns). However, the spies will get caught right after sending a large portion(but not all) of the information. When the Cots realize what has happened, they immediatly begin military operations against me. Oh, and I'll attack some of his allies too(maybe bomb Rome?), thus turning the war into a world-war.

(1) Confederacy rules prohibit intra-alliance warfare for obvious reasons. However, if a Confederacy member is being attacked then they can call on the rest of the alliance to help them out.

(2) Allow me to clarify my position regarding this war:

-I am *not* afraid to get involved. I'm not afraid to even be a major player. I just want assurances that I'm not going to get my capital overrun or nuked. I'll make lots of concessions regarding what territory I'd be willing to sacrifice, but only up to a point. Essentially, at the very least I want to keep an area I call "Romagna" (Greater Rome), or the Italian regions of Umbria, Le Marche (the Marches), Emilia-Romagna and Latium (Lazio). If I can get that then I'll be happy and I won't worry about participating.

-Secondly, understand that the way my nation is set up I work for peace and not for war, as un-Roman as that sounds. Thus understand that not just OOCly I work against war efforts- I work against war efforts ICly as well. So understand that not only would I not attack blindly I'd also work to end the war before it even begins. Just to let you know.

(3) I didn't want to say anything but I have thought of having a civil war in my nation (there's only so long that federations can survive, especially a discontinuous one like mine). So maybe we can work that in here somehow.

Greenmanbry: I think he is inactive. I have TG'd him, posted twice. And it was all about trading land for his land in East Asia. So Lay, could you do something about it? Give him another week ( being like the third week ).

Err, sorry but all the Romans have been long dead.....you arn't Roman, but your Italian ancestry may be that of Rome, but not thee Roman empire. I made that same mistake too. But then I ultimately found out I am SICILIAN.

Well, I made that statement since my nation is supposed to be the Roman Empire, not because I made a claim that I'm Roman. However, for the record, I count myself as a Roman- my parents are from Rome and that thus technically makes me a Roman (the Italians also make distinctions like this, so I'm not the only one). Plus, I could argue that the Roman Empire never fell, but that's a debate for another day.

:rolleyes:

LOL!

:D

OOC: Hey guy and gals,
I know Binthor had trouble with his family, especially his dad, but he has not been on for over a month and I was wondering what was considered the status of his lands and the status of the Samtonian invasion of Cuba, which I have a personal stake in. I need to know if my people have any intrest in the going ons in the Mid Atlantic.

Bintor, if you read this man, let us know if your coming back or not so we can hold or free up your lands.

Also, I found your discussion on the beginnings of a world war very interesting, since as soon as I got marketplaces set up I was going to announce, noticing the medical state of the world that Hyperbia had retroviruses to cure several diseases, yet to be decided. These could easaly be the spark to start the holy war previously mentioned.

THIS IS ALL GONNA BE IN CAPS CAUSE ITS EARLY HERE AND I DONT WANNA HOLD DOWN SHIFT EVER.

K, WHY DO WARS START IN THE RL? HOLY WARS-STARTED BY FANATICS, BUT NOT REAL GOOD RPING. HOW BOUT BY COUNRYS THAT THINK THERE BETTER THAN SOMEONE ELSE-COUGH COUGH-YEA.. BUT STILL, HOW L0NG CAN AN RP OF THAT GO ON BEFORE IT GETS BORING. OK, MABY FOR oil. AHA!!!! NOW WERE ON A TOPIC THAT WE ALL KNOW QUITE WELL. WHAT IF ONE COUNTRY-COUGH USA COUGH-INVADES THE MIDDLE EAST, OR NORWAY. TWO LARGE OIL HOTSPOTS. WHY NOT BOTH. JUST AN IDEA...

BY THE WAY, COTTLAND, I NEED YOU TO CHECK THE ALLIANCE PAGE. I NEED THIS APPROVED!!!

In summary, my spies will steal secret, blasphemous information from the Cots so that my dictator can begin work on his world-conquering army (made up of Genetically-enhanced soldiers and sentient machines) and his "doomsday device"(basically an Uber-space cannon guarded by alot of my space-frigates, soldiers, and anti-missile guns). However, the spies will get caught right after sending a large portion(but not all) of the information. When the Cots realize what has happened, they immediatly begin military operations against me. Oh, and I'll attack some of his allies too(maybe bomb Rome?), thus turning the war into a world-war.

Of course, he'd hafta attack some of my allies(like Elephantum, maybe.)
Well that puts me in a predicament, you have people in Bahrain, a border w/India, another border w/sicliy, but cotty has troops in sicily and Gambia. i'd also have to worry about your Spaceships attacking my venus space station.

I wouldnt mind participating, just hard to tell which side is safer to support (edit 1)

Edit2-When did half of india change hands?

THIS IS ALL GONNA BE IN CAPS CAUSE ITS EARLY HERE AND I DONT WANNA HOLD DOWN SHIFT EVER.

K, WHY DO WARS START IN THE RL? HOLY WARS-STARTED BY FANATICS, BUT NOT REAL GOOD RPING. HOW BOUT BY COUNRYS THAT THINK THERE BETTER THAN SOMEONE ELSE-COUGH COUGH-YEA.. BUT STILL, HOW L0NG CAN AN RP OF THAT GO ON BEFORE IT GETS BORING. OK, MABY FOR oil. AHA!!!! NOW WERE ON A TOPIC THAT WE ALL KNOW QUITE WELL. WHAT IF ONE COUNTRY-COUGH USA COUGH-INVADES THE MIDDLE EAST, OR NORWAY. TWO LARGE OIL HOTSPOTS. WHY NOT BOTH. JUST AN IDEA...

BY THE WAY, COTTLAND, I NEED YOU TO CHECK THE ALLIANCE PAGE. I NEED THIS APPROVED!!!

WTF are you talking about? Which alliance page? :confused:

Well that puts me in a predicament, you have people in Bahrain, a border w/India, another border w/sicliy, but cotty has troops in sicily and Gambia. i'd also have to worry about your Spaceships attacking my venus space station.

I wouldnt mind participating, just hard to tell which side is safer to support (edit 1)

Edit2-When did half of india change hands?

You could go Sweden on us (I.E. neutral)...

WTF are you talking about? Which alliance page? :confused:


layartebs forums, RC alliance. my most recent post.

WTF are you talking about? Which alliance page? :confused:



You could go Sweden on us (I.E. neutral)...
no, no, definetly not, not Swedish or Swiss, im guaranteed to take a beating either way,

no, no, definetly not, not Swedish or Swiss, im guaranteed to take a beating either way,

Go for the good Force (IE me!), against the evil Empire (IE TLS!) (Yes, I've seen a little too much Star Wars)

this is gonna be like wwI, so many intermingled alliances.

Now let me say my position, I have the same thing as RomeW, but:

One I don't have the time, two I don't have the patience, three I won't have the creative juices.

I'd be more then happy to participate, but again. If you think this is me being a coward, fine. But some of us don't have the fucking time!

Edit2-When did half of india change hands?

A few weeks ago ^^

You still border Sri Lanka tho.

I recommend you, TLS and Squornshelous, watch what you say when you talk to me. I have FUN in this game.

Oh, I'll be looking forward to seeing you in WW1.

I might add, if my country is going out, everyone else might be going out with me. Also, it's not a Godmod.

Cobalt-based nuclear weapons were designed in the '70s in America.

4. Right. All you nations scared about a world war- suck it up. WE can rebuild, we can all help move fighting to areas we really don't want destroyed, we can give as good as we get. I wan ACTION. I want RUIN. I want troops leaping up to the top of Ministry buildings and unfurling flags over (example) the burning skyline of Rome and the Vatican, while MLRS systems begin shelling from outside of the coliseum. Yes, it may be against some wishes for battles to take place in our capitals, including mine (wishes and capital). But hey, as long as it's good for the story line. I'll offer up some crazy fights against my territory at some point. Of course, you may not win said fight, but oh well......

Some notes:

(1) IT'S NOT CALLED THE COLISEUM! IT'S REAL NAME IS THE FLAVIN AMPHITHEATRE! I mean, get it right... ;)

(2) On a more serious matter- and I'm replying to everyone here- what is with some of you and destroying Rome? What have I ever done to merit such a thing? Yeah, Rome has this mythical aura about it, but seriously, some of you seem to be blinded by it. You don't just destroy a city because it'd be "cool"- you destroy it because it serves a purpose, and I'm going to do everything I can so it doesn't serve that purpose.

I realize that the more I complain about this the more I make myself a target but it seriously bothers me how reckless some of you get when it comes to war. Do you really think a world can survive when it's constantly at war? Or any nation for that matter? Does it make sense to destroy alliances, when alliances have too many benefits for them to cease operations? Can you really have a viably functioning world- socially, politically, economically- when everyone insists on fighting each other, especially in today's economies that REQUIRE a global market? Yeah, war is fun and all, but too many of you seem to be thinking short-term and not enough about the long-term.

...and lastly, all this talk about breaking up the Roman Confederacy bothers me. Why? I spent a lot of time and effort creating it and for what? To have it dismembered? Well, thanks.

*sigh* I don't mean to be a whiner but I really feel I have to put my foot down and speak out, because frankly I'm not going to bottle up my feelings about this anymore. Call me a whiner, call me un-Roman, call me whatever you will- I just do feel a little ignored and it'd be nice to get some recognition (except by TIOR, who already recognizies my position). That's all. I don't ask for much- just to be left alone- and if I can get that then I'll be okay. Okay?

Some notes:

(1) IT'S NOT CALLED THE COLISEUM! IT'S REAL NAME IS THE FLAVIN AMPHITHEATRE! I mean, get it right... ;)

(2) On a more serious matter- and I'm replying to everyone here- what is with some of you and destroying Rome? What have I ever done to merit such a thing? Yeah, Rome has this mythical aura about it, but seriously, some of you seem to be blinded by it. You don't just destroy a city because it'd be "cool"- you destroy it because it serves a purpose, and I'm going to do everything I can so it doesn't serve that purpose.

I realize that the more I complain about this the more I make myself a target but it seriously bothers me how reckless some of you get when it comes to war. Do you really think a world can survive when it's constantly at war? Or any nation for that matter? Does it make sense to destroy alliances, when alliances have too many benefits for them to cease operations? Can you really have a viably functioning world- socially, politically, economically- when everyone insists on fighting each other, especially in today's economies that REQUIRE a global market? Yeah, war is fun and all, but too many of you seem to be thinking short-term and not enough about the long-term.

...and lastly, all this talk about breaking up the Roman Confederacy bothers me. Why? I spent a lot of time and effort creating it and for what? To have it dismembered? Well, thanks.

*sigh* I don't mean to be a whiner but I really feel I have to put my foot down and speak out, because frankly I'm not going to bottle up my feelings about this anymore. Call me a whiner, call me un-Roman, call me whatever you will- I just do feel a little ignored and it'd be nice to get some recognition (except by TIOR, who already recognizies my position). That's all. I don't ask for much- just to be left alone- and if I can get that then I'll be okay. Okay?


1. The Only people who call it the Flavian Amphitheatre are Rome freaks ^^

2. I am not "blinded" by my wish to destroy Rome. The thing is, it's the only city you seem to care about! What impact would bombing Rome have on your naton and yourself? A big one! What would happen if we bombed some other city? A small reponse, at best.

And we're not constantly at war! We have waaaaaaaay too few wars! In the entire history of EII- Revitalized we haven't had one world war, and maybe a handful of full-out wars. (BTW- My country is a technate now: We have a different currency system altogether^^)

We never said "break up the confederacy"(at least I didn't). According to Confederacy laws, individual nations in the confederacy can fight each other, but they shouldn't expect confederacy help.

NG: Then why in god's name do you plan on using a n00k to blow up the world? I never said you aren't having fun, but having a n00k that blows yourself up whenever you use it? Not smart.

And Rome, we are recognizing you. But recoginizing you doesnt mean agree with you. All we're asking for is a little fun, that's all. If you really don't wanna join, you don't have to!

(shakes his head)

Why not a wargame?

(shakes his head)

Why not a wargame?

Because Wargames don't change the politics of the world. At all.

Besides, how else am I supposed to test my WMD's? On my own people?

Besides, how else am I supposed to test my WMD's? On my own people?

Of course!

Because Wargames don't change the politics of the world. At all.

Besides, how else am I supposed to test my WMD's? On my own people?

Where else? On my people? Oh, if you make the up-coming war against me nuclear, I'll n00k/gas Carthage... [/threath]

Rome, if you don't want part in the war, I will respect that.

On another note, I really need to get some anti-ballistic missile systems. Can the MIM-104 Patriot be modified to ABM tasks?

Cotland, I think so. I think that's what the Americans did in the 1st Gulf War.

My South American idea met little acceptance, I see. Unfortunate, as I've consolidated most of my territory there. As longs as this war finds a way to spread to all areas of the globe and isn't localized to Europe, Northern Africa and North America, I'll be happy.

Though, I will say this. We don't need the confusing story that Cotland and TLS concocted. Having one side be clearly evil and one side be clearly good serves noone's interests. What if the bad side wins? What do we do then? The bad side would have to fight a losing battle from the start if the ultimate goal of a (useful) UN were to be achieved. If anything we need to model it after WWI where no side was clearly the "villain" in the conflict. Anything could start a global war, be it trade sanctions, an assassination or a controversial invasion. We don't need to overthink this.

My South American idea met little acceptance, I see. Unfortunate, as I've consolidated most of my territory there. As longs as this war finds a way to spread to all areas of the globe and isn't localized to Europe, Northern Africa and North America, I'll be happy.

Though, I will say this. We don't need the confusing story that Cotland and TLS concocted. Having one side be clearly evil and one side be clearly good serves noone's interests. What if the bad side wins? What do we do then? The bad side would have to fight a losing battle from the start if the ultimate goal of a (useful) UN were to be achieved. If anything we need to model it after WWI where no side was clearly the "villain" in the conflict. Anything could start a global war, be it trade sanctions, an assassination or a controversial invasion. We don't need to overthink this.

I have no problems with this starting in South America, but your claims that the story is very "good-bad" aren't really true. For instance, I'm constructing a über-weapon for use against aliens that I'm telling noone about. Every person who claims to have knowledge and not a member of the research staff are involved in an "accident". So going to war with TLS are purely for the benefit of my own country. And the attack on TLS will likely spread havoc...

Awww crap. I wanna be t3h villain :(. Ah well. I still wanna be a central character...

*thinks and thinks over possibilites...*

Well, I like 'Pelep's idea. I would also like a War in China(but TIOR doesn't seem to want to). Parthia's gone, so there goes that idea...

OOOH!

We could have a war against Hogsweat! It could start with me attacking him because he has desecrated the Holy Land of Islam, and then there will be no "good" or "bad" sides(although I will be the agressor, the other Muslims states in the world [read:Elephantum] may or may not attack).

Just another thought.

Of course, then I would have to give up on my country being attacked because it has commited "blasphemy"...

Argh! Are there no good scenarios left?!?!?

You know, I bet I have the best soccer team in Earth II. I control Ireland, Brazil, Peru, Bolivia, and Chile. All of which have decent to excellent programs. If we ever have a World Cup, I'll dominate.

Sorry, but if a WMD was aimed at me, I would launch about every single nuclear weapon I have sitting in a silo at the nation(s) who aims the WMD at me, xD, of course that would be impossible.....YOU GET THE DAMNED POINT!

And I have to admit, some people seem FT to me...and not MT...which kind of gets on my nerves.

Sorry, but if a WMD was aimed at me, I would launch about every single nuclear weapon I have sitting in a silo at the nation(s) who aims the WMD at me, xD, of course that would be impossible.....YOU GET THE DAMNED POINT!

And I have to admit, some people seem FT to me...and not MT...which kind of gets on my nerves.

I'm PMT.

(Post-modern Tech. Which isn't Future, but it's more advanced than Modern.)

j00 never said that PMT wasn't allowed. And PMT isn't really it's own category. It's a sub-category of MT. So, really, I am in bounds.

You know, I bet I have the best soccer team in Earth II. I control Ireland, Brazil, Peru, Bolivia, and Chile. All of which have decent to excellent programs. If we ever have a World Cup, I'll dominate.

DAMMIT!

Ah well, I dis-like soccer.

I'll kick your ass in Cricket though(I have Pakistan, Northern India, AND Bangladesh! Three of the best Cricket teams ever!)

Well, I made that statement since my nation is supposed to be the Roman Empire, not because I made a claim that I'm Roman. However, for the record, I count myself as a Roman- my parents are from Rome and that thus technically makes me a Roman (the Italians also make distinctions like this, so I'm not the only one). Plus, I could argue that the Roman Empire never fell, but that's a debate for another day.


Fuck it, were both Italians and its that simple, cool? lol

Anyways, all the Romans of the Roman empire are dead ( or so if science one days proves this wrong. )

Just because your parents are from the CITY of ROME does not make you ROMAN, as in the old EMPIRE Rome of the early AD times.

Besides, us Sicilians are just so much cooler xD, just kidding

Besides, I'm not even full Sicilian Italian, I'm 1/4 ( well a bit more then a 4th ) German, 1/4 Italian ( Sicilian ), 1/4 French/Canadian and 1/4 Irish/Scottish/Native American.

But if you ask me, I say my mom is wrong and I think I am really 1/3 German, 1/3 Italian, 1/3 French/Canadian/Irish/Scottish/Native American....well it is something like that, if anything I know I am more German then I am Italian, French/Canadian, Irish/Scottish/Native American.

CONFUSING!!!!

And my ultimate solution to all of this is:

Were all Humans, so does not really matter to me if your Italian, Arabic, German, etc....still a Human.

AND THIS IS A NEEDLESS POST BROUGHT TO YOU BY:

SPAM, tastes better on full wheat bread.

I'm PMT.

(Post-modern Tech. Which isn't Future, but it's more advanced than Modern.)

j00 never said that PMT wasn't allowed. And PMT isn't really it's own category. It's a sub-category of MT. So, really, I am in bounds.

I call PMT the Information Age, and MT the Modern Age. Information Age is pretty much what the world today is, but only America and then other countrys just about as powerful, then I call the rest Modern Age actually moving on to Information Age except about a lot of the smaller nations with pretty much no economy. And now, this isn't a bash to those countrys.

Where else? On my people? Oh, if you make the up-coming war against me nuclear, I'll n00k/gas Carthage... [/threath]

Rome, if you don't want part in the war, I will respect that.

On another note, I really need to get some anti-ballistic missile systems. Can the MIM-104 Patriot be modified to ABM tasks?

Cotland the US did try and convert Patriots over to ABM duties. The problem with the first batteries that were shipped to Saudi and Israel was a software-hardware glitch. These kinks have supposedly been worked out. Although not actually combat tested since the upgrades, the manfacturer states it will work. I did hear about a new ABM missile the Air Force was working on (actually tested it last year in the Pacific) but rumor has it, its not very reliable. I would have your R&D department look into building a system "like" the patriot batteries, but with "updated" hardware/software. Perhaps a radar system similiar to the one used in the F-14. It can track multiple targets and engage multiples at the same time. Just a thought.

-Hawdawg

I think we should eliminate the thought of using nukes. It seems like everyone's going to send a bajillion nukes back and then *poof* goes EarthII.

Cotland the US did try and convert Patriots over to ABM duties. The problem with the first batteries that were shipped to Saudi and Israel was a software-hardware glitch. These kinks have supposedly been worked out. Although not actually combat tested since the upgrades, the manfacturer states it will work. I did hear about a new ABM missile the Air Force was working on (actually tested it last year in the Pacific) but rumor has it, its not very reliable. I would have your R&D department look into building a system "like" the patriot batteries, but with "updated" hardware/software. Perhaps a radar system similiar to the one used in the F-14. It can track multiple targets and engage multiples at the same time. Just a thought.

-Hawdawg

Well, I see that the Israelis are using a missile for that use that apparently have very good reliability and accuracy. Maybe I'll use/improve then use that one, in addition to the upgraded Patriots... I don't know. I'll have to dive further into it. But thanks for the suggestion.

I think we should eliminate the thought of using nukes. It seems like everyone's going to send a bajillion nukes back and then *poof* goes EarthII.

If not completely banning the use of nukes, then at least limit it to say tactical nukes, not strategic nukes...

If not completely banning the use of nukes, then at least limit it to say tactical nukes, not strategic nukes...

I don't count taking out an entire city block tactical ;)

If not completely banning the use of nukes, then at least limit it to say tactical nukes, not strategic nukes...

Ban nukes, but let me keep my Hafnium-178m2 isomer bombs... >_>

Ban nukes, but let me keep my Hafnium-178m2 isomer bombs... >_>

NO! You bad boy!

TLS: RP added.

Duke Barol: So which RP was the Galapagos one?

Cotland: The MIM-104 PAC-1 had very limited ABM capability. The PAC-2 advanced it and the PAC-3 is excellent at it. But it's not ABM, it's against theather ballistic missiles like the FROG and SCUD. The Israeli missile is the Arrow 2, which is phenomenal against TBMs and ABMs, though it has never been tested in combat.

I tell you all this. I'm going to nuke everyone just for the hell of it because it's all you people seem to talk about period. To hell with the WMD, they're a minor part. Think more about how to do this.

1. The Only people who call it the Flavian Amphitheatre are Rome freaks ^^

2. I am not "blinded" by my wish to destroy Rome. The thing is, it's the only city you seem to care about! What impact would bombing Rome have on your naton and yourself? A big one! What would happen if we bombed some other city? A small reponse, at best.

(3) And we're not constantly at war! We have waaaaaaaay too few wars! In the entire history of EII- Revitalized we haven't had one world war, and maybe a handful of full-out wars. (BTW- My country is a technate now: We have a different currency system altogether^^)

(4) We never said "break up the confederacy"(at least I didn't). According to Confederacy laws, individual nations in the confederacy can fight each other, but they shouldn't expect confederacy help.

(5)And Rome, we are recognizing you. But recoginizing you doesnt mean agree with you. All we're asking for is a little fun, that's all. If you really don't wanna join, you don't have to!

(1) Still, on technicalities, I'm right. "Colosseum" didn't appear as a name until the 11th Century- ten centuries after it was finished. Before then it was the Flavian Amphitheatre.

(2) It would only serve a purpose if I was against you. Obviously, I'm not. Also, my comment about being "blinded" by war is just a general statement, since it seems to me like it's the only thing that's considerable for RP when it's FAR from the only one.

(3) We've had several small wars, and, granted, you haven't been in one. However, a major military operation HAS occurred (in The WIck) though it was stopped just as it was developing.

(4) Elephantum did, and he just joined...plus I have seen that sentiment elsewhere. Also, Confederacy rules prohibit attack on other members, though if a Confederacy member contravened that rule, the attackee CAN call on the rest of the Confederacy for support. To use a hypothetical example, I couldn't attack Cotland under the rules, but if I did Cotland can call on the rest of the Confederacy for support.

(5) Fine, fair enough. I went overboard. You guys can have your fun...I just want to make sure that my wishes (not to be dragged into conflict) are respected, that's all.

My South American idea met little acceptance, I see. Unfortunate, as I've consolidated most of my territory there. As longs as this war finds a way to spread to all areas of the globe and isn't localized to Europe, Northern Africa and North America, I'll be happy.

Though, I will say this. We don't need the confusing story that Cotland and TLS concocted. Having one side be clearly evil and one side be clearly good serves noone's interests. What if the bad side wins? What do we do then? The bad side would have to fight a losing battle from the start if the ultimate goal of a (useful) UN were to be achieved. If anything we need to model it after WWI where no side was clearly the "villain" in the conflict. Anything could start a global war, be it trade sanctions, an assassination or a controversial invasion. We don't need to overthink this.

^^^ I support this. South America seems to be the only place where we wouldn't break up alliances just to have a war (and, technically speaking, Hogsweat is still your ally, TLS). Plus, if you and Layarteb were to have tensions (as I think you were planning for this scenario) then it'd be easy to spread it across the globe, since both of you have territory across the world; and hey, Pelep, you could have an ambitious leader rise to power bent on controlling the world, providing a new opportunity to create a Pelepian Empire. Just because you don't have land elsewhere doesn't mean that you can't spread the war- you just need a way to do it, that's all.

Fuck it, were both Italians and its that simple, cool? lol

Anyways, all the Romans of the Roman empire are dead ( or so if science one days proves this wrong. )

Just because your parents are from the CITY of ROME does not make you ROMAN, as in the old EMPIRE Rome of the early AD times.

Besides, us Sicilians are just so much cooler xD, just kidding

Besides, I'm not even full Sicilian Italian, I'm 1/4 ( well a bit more then a 4th ) German, 1/4 Italian ( Sicilian ), 1/4 French/Canadian and 1/4 Irish/Scottish/Native American.

Okay. Cool. Hey, I love being Italian too. :D

...and, no, I still don't think the Romans are gone, however, I won't expand on this unless asked, to keep this discussion on topic.

TLS: RP added.

I tell you all this. I'm going to nuke everyone just for the hell of it because it's all you people seem to talk about period. To hell with the WMD, they're a minor part. Think more about how to do this.


Amen Layarteb.

As far as how to get this started we can quibber over a region to start the war in for days. I say multiple locales at once. We could have an "incident" happen in Europe, South America, and Asia at the same time. Crap we could even have something pop up in Africa. The point being multiple action gives all members that want to participate a region they can become involved in. This is just a thought.

Now some serious points I would like to make:

1. It really doesn't matter whomever fires the first shot will be the "bad guy" and alligances will naturally flow to two different camps. These camps can then engage each other in an epic struggle for rule.

2. Saying "I will participate but you can't touch X,Y, or Z lands because my favorite dog hangs out there, etc." don't/won't cut it. If you are "all-in" with your chips you are all in and all your territory is fair game. For example if Cotland lashed out at me, I would immediately attack Singapore from my Naval superfortress in Okinawa (Just an example Cotland don't be nervous). Strategically in warfare you pick out your enemies weaknesses and exploit them. Colonies/holdings located away from the mainland would be at the top of my list. (I.E. SE Asia, Singapore, Wake Island, Alaskian attacks, etc. of WWII)

3. Invasion of the homeland will probably happen. Face it, with all the huge naval fleets located on Earth II somebody is gonna get invaded. The Allied Expeditionary Force that landed at Normandy is smaller than most of the Superpower's navy's here.

4. Territory will change hands. I suggest all conquered lands in this War be held "in trust" by the conquering forces and then they can divide as they see fit in a RP at the conclusion of the war.

5. Forget about the Nuclear problem. It won't be a problem. If someone is that dull to nuke everyone then odds are they won't be involved in the RP to begin with. So someone sends a wayward ICBM into your vicinity, shoot it down. NTG sells missile defense packages if you need one. (shameless plug) So the missile hits, send one back RSVP to the sender. Better yet, put one in a suitcase and set it off in there capital building. Get my drift? The nuke issue shouldn't be an issue.

6. Some people don't want to participate in the War. Great we always need nations that will work secret trade deals, become havens for the political refugees, and can act as moderators for various things involving the war process. In short they can take an active role in nonmilitary actions and be just as involved as the actual combatants.

7. Quit focusing on an "event" that would set off the war. Genocide, etc. is such an old topic. Lets keep it simple with a land grab invasion. "I don't like my neighbor because he threatened X nation so I have decided to kick down his door and kick in his teeth." Will be my battlecry.

8. I will be glad to be the catalyst and start this War (in two weeks of course).


-Hawdawg

If its vs hogsweat, im in
if its TLS vs. Cotland, i guess im in too, i just dont want to announce what side id be on yet.
I cant participate in S. America, no territory there

Once again, i do not favor destroying the RC, i just think its hard to start a war when you are afraid of just about all of europe plus their other territories go after you

Im not afraid to lose land, i think itd be cool to be the Palestinians, Zionists (before Israel), Chechens, Taiwanese, etc. of Earth II

I know people don't want to lose their historic cities, but if it happens, be an insurgency there, it hurts the war effort more than it hurts the military, look at Iraq. Demoralize their public opinion, then take it back when you have undermined all public support

I'd be willing to start a war in South America. That is once I finish my draft RP.

6. Some people don't want to participate in the War. Great we always need nations that will work secret trade deals, become havens for the political refugees, and can act as moderators for various things involving the war process. In short they can take an active role in nonmilitary actions and be just as involved as the actual combatants.

I'll sign up for that. I'll probably be on the outside looking in just because I'll probably do everything I can initially to stop the war. I'll be an active member in the peace process, however.

I do have a general question to ask: if I, say, had a wayward Protectorate join the war (and thus not technically be part of my nation), would that be okay? I have had that thought.

My thoughts on how the alliances shall work out:

Seeing there are so many strong and big alliances on EII, I can see them possibly being the most involved in the war. It will kind of be like a US vs USSR in the Cold War. Two huge powers war each other ( except we will ACTUALLY be warring each other ) and smaller nations/alliances join either side ( in this case, we can have possibly atleast 4 Alliances, and the sides can be whatever....it can be 4, 3, 2, etc, there could even be more alliances staying as there own power ). Things will tend to fall into place, I can see lots of people losing land, lots of backs being stabbed, lots of in character ( and don't be surprised ) out of character hatreds. That will be pretty much the forge of the alliances and sides and powers.

Like, I will take Hawdawg's example with a war with Cotland ( And like he said, it is an example and this is too ):

I am allied with both Cotland and Hawdawg. Oh no, what is this? They are going to war....what to do...what to do...well there both allies I like, I'm in one of there more major alliances and then the others little peace pact.....and there can be multiple things. I would like others to possibly try this too:

1. Don't beg the stronger one or the one that looks like he will win with the whole " Oh please, please don't war him! He is my friend "...because you should have thought of that before allying.

2. Try to remain neutral. Be a haven, be the home for peace talks, work things out and possibly ultimately decide who you want to help militaristically.

3. There are many other options too. This wouldn't be a bad idea if you knew what you were doing:

1. Go to war on the one guys side you really don't like anyways.

2. Once you have his trust completely, screw him over some how...invasion...assasination...you could even assasinate his/her leader and blame it on a third party YOU don't really like.

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Really there is a ton of things to do with alliances and how your actions will ultimately change them forever. And don't be scared if your a newer nation, or you know ( even though your possibly as old as my nation ) that you are much smaller then most of these powers and some of them are on a side you will never side. Hell, it really is not about winning, it really is just about being a pain in there ass and just jacking up there armys. And trust me, every single nation makes a difference. A March 05 nation could make a difference, because also every single soldier will determine the outcome of a battle. Especially if you know your weapons, and you have a farily large size of an army and your ally is perhaps an older nation.

And my thoughts on WMDs:

Go ahead and use them. I mean, if you have a full proof plan to make sure you are not nuked back by like...atleast 4 other nations, and arn't turned into a mandated spot of land and stuff, and you have the economy to mobilize troops like crazy when you are launching. But just remember, those who use a nuke just to take over a nation of a more unsignificant power of your nations power may end up making you look more " evil " sided.

My thoughts on this in GENERAL:

I say there is and will not be a Good vs Evil scheme. Were all nations at war trying to either help allys, grab land, kill of those you hate. Really, nothing will make this a Good VS Evil like how WWII in real life was. It will just be a plain old war, Side A beats up side B as surprisingly the " neutral peaceful " side C invades Side A as there out beating up side B. This does not really make you evil.

Also, there actually MAY be things that will make you an evil nation to a group of nations. Lets say a radical religious nation takes over a nation chock-full of " infidels ", or so says there bible, populating the nation's land. And this radical religious nation decides to commit genocide on the masses. Now, this will make you look like your the evil nation twards some other nations or almost all who does not share your nation's beliefe(s).

Now thoughts with God-Modding, and accepting the fact you have been defeated and possibly lost your position in Earth II:

You can't just say " I HAVE A NUKE AIMED FOR YOUR CAPITAL " if obvisouly EVERYTHING under your nation's control is gone or tooken over by another nation, and this is obvious and act of a soar loser.

You WILL lose something of MAJOR value and importance to you, and you may never get it back. You have to ACCEPT this, you can't just hate the guy for ever if he doesn't give it back ( except you may in IC, but OOC would be CHILDISH! ) And you have to accept that you are possibly going to be pushed around like " bitches " untill somone liberates you.

Tips on picking a side:

Don't go with the side that seems a lot more powerful or has a lot more troops. Pick the side you can TRUST, that you KNOW you can TRUST. Possibly a side that has a lot of your friends in it. Don't go off and keep changing sides when like your side is completely and utterly destroyed, or just because some guy from another side has a fancier name for his Flag Ship. The odds of you really surviving on a side full of people you can't trust and just look like there possibly strong as hell is verry verry VERRY SLIM! I will admit you will have more of a chance in your side, like one you can trust. Perhaps one with close allys/friends. You may all be a lot more smaller, but it never has been the quantity of troops that won the battles, it was his/her quality, his/her spirit, his/her pride. Take this for example: Always outnumbered, never out-gunned. Or something. I don't know how to put it in a logical quote you ALL will understand, but please note that it is better to pick the side you can trust even IF it is SMALLER then another side that like, oh, threatens to blow you up.

Final words in this post:

I can just wish good luck really, I can really see some beautiful dramatic posts and rps, lots of gorey war details being pushed in, just a lot of cool things. And I know it may not seem cool losing your capital, or a majority of your land, but you have to admit this will ( and in the future WAS ) fun as hell.

^^^ I support this. South America seems to be the only place where we wouldn't break up alliances just to have a war (and, technically speaking, Hogsweat is still your ally, TLS). Plus, if you and Layarteb were to have tensions (as I think you were planning for this scenario) then it'd be easy to spread it across the globe, since both of you have territory across the world; and hey, Pelep, you could have an ambitious leader rise to power bent on controlling the world, providing a new opportunity to create a Pelepian Empire. Just because you don't have land elsewhere doesn't mean that you can't spread the war- you just need a way to do it, that's all.

The problem with this, though a good idea, is that I've reached my land limit. I control about 50% (maybe more) of South America. Of course, that doesn't mean I couldn't start a war. I'm sure someone's unhappy about my recent expansion into Northwestern Brazil and Chile. If the war did spread, I have military bases throughout the Pacific that I could easily use to attack my enemy's territories. So, I'm covered. I really think the best way to go about this is a gradual build-up of tensions between several different nations on several different fronts that explodes into a world war when one of these nations attacks another. It'd be a domino effect from there. The wars don't necessarily have to be linked in any way at first but as alliances come into play it becomes one giant conflict. The question is, however, where to apply the tensions?

Oh, and Layarteb, I officially cede Kenya and Tanzania. Whoever wants them can have them. I'm moving into NW Brazil.

Well guys, if we do have this massive World War, I'll join in, even though my population is stretched as it is across an entire continent.

Yea, it would be good on my behalf if I entered a South American war. My troops are not only trained in mountains and on the oceans, but also in rain forests in Myanmar and Indonesia.

But I really think this war may start in a lot of places all of Earth II, possibly so many wars going on between nations around the world that they all start paying each other to help and try to take over the enemys that it leads to a World War. ( Meaning everyone would ultimately have a side. )

But I am trying really really hard to trade Finland, Nebraska and Kansas for land in East Asia. And damn it, Greenmanbry, ATLEAST RESPOND TO ME OR TG ME, EVEN IF IT IS A NO I AM GETTING IMPATIENT OF WATING! ( Sorry if you may have posted, I generally don't go pages back to read.....cough )

But anyways, I can't really wait untill this World War just breaks out, I think it really will be caused by a lot of EII Nations just conspiriating to get other nations to help them in there wars, which truely will ultimately cause a world war I believe.

Well guys, if we do have this massive World War, I'll join in, even though my population is stretched as it is across an entire continent.

I like trying to forge strong alliances with those close to my lands. Seeing you have Australia, would you not mind going to peaceful relations before I bug you about an alliance?

Also, what are your thoughts on Hogsweat. And who are your allies anyways?

I like trying to forge strong alliances with those close to my lands. Seeing you have Australia, would you not mind going to peaceful relations before I bug you about an alliance?

Also, what are your thoughts on Hogsweat. And who are your allies anyways?

Hogsweat is right north of me, and I, as an ally of Greenmanbry, oppose him. Course, he hasn't been on in damn-near forever, so I don't think I'd suffer much.

For reference, my technology is comparable to Soviet Bloc's in the air department, pretty good on ground (I use a crapload of indigenously developed tech, but its nowhere near as nice as some of the people here), and above-average navy.

More importantly, I pack Hf-178 munitions, outclassing pretty much any weapon anyone has. (Link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=401543)

Do I have enough land left to claim Kenya and Tanzania?

Hogsweat is right north of me, and I, as an ally of Greenmanbry, oppose him. Course, he hasn't been on in damn-near forever, so I don't think I'd suffer much.

For reference, my technology is comparable to Soviet Bloc's in the air department, pretty good on ground (I use a crapload of indigenously developed tech, but its nowhere near as nice as some of the people here), and above-average navy.

More importantly, I pack Hf-178 munitions, outclassing pretty much any weapon anyone has. (Link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=401543)

Ah, you too do not really like Hogsweat. Oh and if you can, could you help me reach Greenmanbry about land trade? Also, could I speak to you on AIM?

IDEA!

How 'bout it's not just one war, but many wars all at once! Then it would really be a "world at war", and people wouldn't hafta be drawn into wars they wouldn't wanna be!

Isn't that what everyone's planned on? A war on every continent.

IDEA!

How 'bout it's not just one war, but many wars all at once! Then it would really be a "world at war", and people wouldn't hafta be drawn into wars they wouldn't wanna be!

Didn't I just say this? Like 10 posts ago?

Didn't I just say this? Like 10 posts ago?

Yes, but it was covered under so many other words I got bored. Just posting this makes it much better!

Isn't that what everyone's planned on? A war on every continent.

A few of us planned on a Giant war...

I said that already:

A lot of nations are at war with each other across the globe, and they find they need some allies to help win and get the land they want, so they make allies who have allies whom may be allied to the enemy of the guy who starts this domino fall thing, then stuff will happen, they will split, and this is happening on multiple battles, but ayways people forges alliances to take down the people they no longer like and/or are the reason why you may not have something you liked or be allied to someone you liked.

This is kind of basic though.

Psychotika: I don't buy the idea that WWII *was* good vs. evil- that was simply propaganda. As brutal as it was, anti-Semtism was all over Europe (including in the so-called "Allied" states) at the time and not just in Germany- it's just that the Holocaust tipped public opinion against Germany.

Elephantum: My bad then- I misinterpreted what you said. However, in the grand scheme of things, if the Roman Confederacy is stopping war then it's doing its job.

Oh ok. Well I can also start a war for Antartica, since about a billion or so of my people still live there. A war for antartica would probably mostly consist of a naval and air war though, not really ground combat.

Oh ok. Well I can also start a war for Antartica, since about a billion or so of my people still live there. A war for antartica would probably mostly consist of a naval and air war though, not really ground combat.

Ooooooh, a war against the Penguins! Just be sure they don't get any weapons ;).

Psychotika: I don't buy the idea that WWII *was* good vs. evil- that was simply propaganda. As brutal as it was, anti-Semtism was all over Europe (including in the so-called "Allied" states) at the time and not just in Germany- it's just that the Holocaust tipped public opinion against Germany.

Elephantum: My bad then- I misinterpreted what you said. However, in the grand scheme of things, if the Roman Confederacy is stopping war then it's doing its job.

Let's put it this way: World War II was A bunch of somewhat good guys and a good guy against a bunch of mostly bad guys.

Ooooooh, a war against the Penguins! Just be sure they don't get any weapons ;).

I wouldn't put it past those goddamn commies.

::shoots a penguin::

I wouldn't put it past those goddamn commies.

::shoots a penguin::

You gave 'em a bullet! Not smart!

*watches as Penguins somehow turn bullet into an uber-tank*

I told them don't give them a weapon, but nooooooo, you wouldn't listen....

Well, there *is* such thing as an Emperor Penguin (which is the most common image of a penguin today). That has to raise a few eyebrows...

Well, there *is* such thing as an Emperor Penguin (which is the most common image of a penguin today). That has to raise a few eyebrows...

Damn! They are more organized than we thought...

We need to get the Polar Bears and the Penguins to fight each other. That way, we take out two birds with one stone.

Damn! They are more organized than we thought...

We need to get the Polar Bears and the Penguins to fight each other. That way, we take out two birds with one stone.

LOL...I know! It's a cause for international concern! We can't have these "Emperor Penguins" walking around thinking that they own the place!

(On a serious note...why not start the war because of the penguins? Who said that the wars had to be about people?)

LOL...I know! It's a cause for international concern! We can't have these "Emperor Penguins" walking around thinking that they own the place!

(On a serious note...why not start the war because of the penguins? Who said that the wars had to be about people?)

(You're right! In fact, alot of wars have started over worse reasons than that!


The sad thing is, I am telling the truth! Humanity is DOOOOOOOMED!)

(You're right! In fact, alot of wars have started over worse reasons than that!


The sad thing is, I am telling the truth! Humanity is DOOOOOOOMED!)

LOL...I remember reading about the Soccer War (Honduras vs. El Salvador). That will probably the world's strangest war.

LOL...I remember reading about the Soccer War (Honduras vs. El Salvador). That will probably the world's strangest war.

I read about that war too...

Humanity is doomed.

So let's enjoy it while we can.

FRAG FEST!

*pulls out 'nade launcher and blows up random peeps[/b]

I read about that war too...

Humanity is doomed.

So let's enjoy it while we can.

FRAG FEST!

*pulls out 'nade launcher and blows up random peeps[/b]

*puts on Professor glasses*

"Ladies and gentlemen, here we have an example of someone who's gone crazy. No, sadly there is no cure. There is also no hope- none whatsoever. We've lost him. Thank you."

*puts on Professor glasses*

"Ladies and gentlemen, here we have an example of someone who's gone crazy. No, sadly there is no cure. There is also no hope- none whatsoever. We've lost him. Thank you."

Raises blood-covered head from half-eaten raw body.

"What was that? I'm sorry, I was feasting on my spoils of hunting chinese people."

Raises blood-covered head from half-eaten raw body.

"What was that? I'm sorry, I was feasting on my spoils of hunting chinese people."

"Yes it's true. He's really lost it now. Oh how it saddens me how far humanity has gone..."

"Yes it's true. He's really lost it now. Oh how it saddens me how far humanity has gone..."

"Hey, at least I am wearing pants! Oh, wait a second...

Uh, forget what I just said..."

"Hey, at least I am wearing pants! Oh, wait a second...

Uh, forget what I just said..."

"Ugggh....put them on. Please!"

*Pulls out shotgun and aimes at crazy TLS*

"Please... put on the damned pants! Or I'll shoot myself in the leg! No wait... that came out wrong..."

*scraches head*

*Pulls out shotgun and aimes at crazy TLS*

"Please... put on the damned pants! Or I'll shoot myself in the leg! No wait... that came out wrong..."

*scraches head*

"See! Now I can prove that Norweigans are dumber than I am! HA HA und HA!

'Oh, and uh... I'd put my pants on but Hamtaro stole them to make a hot air balloon. I agreed, only because when it comes down it will be a fiery mess of burnt hamster and denim!"

I'll sign up for that. I'll probably be on the outside looking in just because I'll probably do everything I can initially to stop the war. I'll be an active member in the peace process, however.

I also volunteer for this. Hell I might arrange arms deals for everyone!

Hawdawg: I agree, nukes at least should be used as a last measure. But in my opinion they are sissy! >.>

I also volunteer for this. Hell I might arrange arms deals for everyone!

Hawdawg: I agree, nukes at least should be used as a last measure. But in my opinion they are sissy! >.>

Tell Nukes are sissy to North Germania. He has one that can "blow up the world three times over". That's gotta be one hhhhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge n00k ;)

"See! Now I can prove that Norweigans are dumber than I am! HA HA und HA!

'Oh, and uh... I'd put my pants on but Hamtaro stole them to make a hot air balloon. I agreed, only because when it comes down it will be a fiery mess of burnt hamster and denim!"

"GAAAAAH!!!!"

*shoots TLS in leg with the shotgun*

"Hah! Misinformation on its best! You loose leg now!"

"GAAAAAH!!!!"

*shoots TLS in leg with the shotgun*

"Hah! Misinformation on its best! You loose leg now!"

"Ahh, but j00 cannot stop t3h magickal faeries!"

*watches and a thousand faeries lift Cotland off the ground(the country, as WELL as the guy) and drops it on t3h m00n!*

"Now, if j00 exc00se me, I have a potato to torture...

*walks away*

*comes running back*

"Heh, I forgot my pants... Good thing that talking mailbox told me."

I also volunteer for this. Hell I might arrange arms deals for everyone!

Hawdawg: I agree, nukes at least should be used as a last measure. But in my opinion they are sissy! >.>

I also agree. In fact, I think that about all bombs- I'd rather have wars fought with brawn, not technology.

Psychotika: I don't buy the idea that WWII *was* good vs. evil- that was simply propaganda. As brutal as it was, anti-Semtism was all over Europe (including in the so-called "Allied" states) at the time and not just in Germany- it's just that the Holocaust tipped public opinion against Germany.

Elephantum: My bad then- I misinterpreted what you said. However, in the grand scheme of things, if the Roman Confederacy is stopping war then it's doing its job.


You got what I meant. It was profound as the war of Good and Evil. and you can not really deny that Hitler was Mr. Evil in the times of WWII. Now in reality, it was a war with many nations involved that ended the lifes of many men and " boys " alike in fights, and millions of civilians in the crossfires, and of course about 6 or so million persecuted Jews too. Really, the war to a lot of people looks like a war of Good vs Evil because:

1. Hitler was evil, no argument there. Then again, he was mentally insane ( and intellegent, funny ) and fun fact: He had one testacle and was imbred, his father was his mother's uncle. So that actually may explain the things he did.

2. The SS were just an evil sort, you could really tell the difference between that of a SS Officer and a regular Nazi Military Officer. The Nazi Military Officer would be more " kinder " and less " insane ".

3. We looked like good guys just for pretty much setting free those who were being persecuted and ending the " evil " reign of Hitler. Then again, the politicians may not seem so good but the soldiers who blindly threw there lives away for millions of people they never met and really wouldn't have a cup of tea each day did look more like the good guys. But then again, about a half of Nazi Germany's army was drafted via Propoganda, and truthfully, a lot of them did not know that the Jews were being put in " ovens " and roasted till they were meaningless dust and bone. But, like every German who lived in Nazi Germany, they most likely did know that Jews were being " relocated " away from there homes.

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So really, this makes the allies look " good " and the axis look " evil " just because of one criminally insane leader and a mass genocide and a flawed plan for world domination. So really, people would undoubtedly try to make this World War One of Earth Two look like good vs evil, but just based on who they like and who they hate which would actually possibly turn this war to a more of a OOC war then IC war.

Now, do you get my point for adressing WWII as a war the resembled " Good vs Evil "?

My thoughts on Nukes, again:

Yea they should only be a last resort, unless your aiming to get your land mandated and divided among the world with in 1 day of being invaded by the world lol. Like tactical nukes that would wipe out the opposing forces occupying parts of your lands, or atleast weakened them.

My thoughts on Chemical/Biological bombs:

I don't support these, and you would feel negative feelings from me, but I also think these should be used Tactically, not terroristically.

Hey iam the newbie here. Id like to claim Chechnia and Khakassia oblast? any objections? :)

Hey iam the newbie here. Id like to claim Chechnia and Khakassia oblast? any objections? :)
I assume that you have checked the first page? If so, I have no objections. You'll need final approval from Layarteb though, but I don't think that it will be a problem. Welcome to Earth II :)

Psychotika: Where did Hitler and the nazis come in to the picture? :confused: Ah, what the heck. I know that I will use propaganda to its most during the war... And I'll probably gas/nuke anyone trying to invade me (their troops in Cotland, not their home countries. Word of warning..) :p .

. . . And I'll probably gas/nuke anyone trying to invade me (their troops in Cotland, not their home countries. Word of warning..) :p .

I agree with that, there shouldn't be any rule against use of tactical WMD's, I don't use nukes too much, they tend to damage the land more than I'd prefer, but anyone who invades me should be prepared to have nerve gas and viruses dropped on them.

Neues RP.

"The Empire claims Fiji"

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8511568

I understand what you mean...it's just that from a historical perspective, World War II- and any war for that matter- is never about "good" vs. "evil"- rhetoric like that is used to drum up war support, and no doubt both sides classified the other as "evil". It's all just propaganda.

Just a few points though:

1. Hitler was evil, no argument there. Then again, he was mentally insane ( and intellegent, funny ) and fun fact: He had one testacle and was imbred, his father was his mother's uncle. So that actually may explain the things he did.

Under our terms, yes he was evil. However, you have to understand the times- the reality of World War II was that before war broke out, the world didn't really care that much for the plight of the Jews- all the way over in Canada we TURNED AWAY a boatful of Jewish refugees, many of whom would later die in concentration camps. Many Western nations- who by the end of the war adopted "saving the Jews" as their war cry- also did the same. In fact, quite a bit of the sentiment in pre-WWII Europe was anti-Semitic- all over Europe, there were millions of Europeans shouting anti-Semtic rhetoric, with the real feeling of the time being that the Jews were to blame for everything (especially after the Great Depression hit, since Jews were traditionally known as bankers), something that had been going on for centuries (the Black Death, for example, was blamed on the Jews). Thus, Adolf Hitler was really feeding into the rhetoric of the time and, by the looks of it, also believed it. What Western Europe was really worried about was another Great War starting- the plight of the Jews was secondary. Plus, when you look at figures like Josef Stalin, Caligula, Shih-Huangdi (China's first Emperor and a brutal oppressor of Confucians), the various European colonial rulers, etc. it's easy to see that Hitler's evil wasn't unique.

This isn't to say that I condone what Hitler did- far from it actually- it's just that terms like "evil" and "good" are subjective terms and shouldn't be used when judging history, and that I think people are too quick to judge WWII without understanding the details. It's my personal belief that we won't get an objective study of World War II for decades, if not centuries, because emotions still run high from the events.

Zeeland: You didn't check the claims or the maps because they are both claimed.

Duke Barol: I still can't find your RP for the Galapagos in this thread..

Cotland: RP added.

Okay so all of you have LOST your minds!

Here, let me rephrase this:

I really don't care for what they thought in the past, for what they thought twards any race was just idiocy. Really, my " ultimate " beliefe is that were all humans, and killing a human just because he looks funny or is a banker is dumb. So in my eyes, it was complete idiocy and evilness. And it was POLITICIANS that did not care for the Jews to much because, mostly like the UK and France, were deadly scared of Empires popping back up after spending a lot of time destroying them in the past World War, so of course they wouldn't give a fuck about the Jews, they would care for there own hides. But you could even ask most people who were there when the Jewish populace was dragged out of there homes for no reasons really proven yet ( but then again, it did not matter...where what you said is true. Almost all of Europe DID NOT really like the Jewish people, so if in Germany, where a lot of anti semetism was, there is a leader saying the Jewish people shall be imprisoned, then the people are like " GO FOR IT!! " ) But after awhile during the war hearts were changed and then people started to refer to the war as Good vs Evil because most of the allied soldiers started to fight to free Jews and especially to destroy Nazi Germany.

Now, I said it is NOT a Good vs Evil thing, infact I only referred to WWII in the first place because the popular beliefe is that it WAS a war of Good vs Evil, and I was trying to point across that I don't think we should start a war by picking out who is good and who is evil.

Now, we both seem to know our WWII crap, so let us put it to a rest. We are pretty much at the same standing point, you should know by now that I for one do not think WWII as a War of Good and Evil, I just used it as a bad example lol.

Good? Evil? Bah.

When the war starts up, I will make a "Fortress Oceania" and isolate meself from everyone else's troubles, intervening only if an ally is attacked. Once y'all waste yer manpower and resources, I'll send my navy and army in to take over :D

Here, let me rephrase this:

I really don't care for what they thought in the past, for what they thought twards any race was just idiocy. Really, my " ultimate " beliefe is that were all humans, and killing a human just because he looks funny or is a banker is dumb. So in my eyes, it was complete idiocy and evilness. And it was POLITICIANS that did not care for the Jews to much because, mostly like the UK and France, were deadly scared of Empires popping back up after spending a lot of time destroying them in the past World War, so of course they wouldn't give a fuck about the Jews, they would care for there own hides. But you could even ask most people who were there when the Jewish populace was dragged out of there homes for no reasons really proven yet ( but then again, it did not matter...where what you said is true. Almost all of Europe DID NOT really like the Jewish people, so if in Germany, where a lot of anti semetism was, there is a leader saying the Jewish people shall be imprisoned, then the people are like " GO FOR IT!! " ) But after awhile during the war hearts were changed and then people started to refer to the war as Good vs Evil because most of the allied soldiers started to fight to free Jews and especially to destroy Nazi Germany.

Now, I said it is NOT a Good vs Evil thing, infact I only referred to WWII in the first place because the popular beliefe is that it WAS a war of Good vs Evil, and I was trying to point across that I don't think we should start a war by picking out who is good and who is evil.

Now, we both seem to know our WWII crap, so let us put it to a rest. We are pretty much at the same standing point, you should know by now that I for one do not think WWII as a War of Good and Evil, I just used it as a bad example lol.

I believe you, don't worry (and I didn't mean to upset you, if I did). I'm in full agreement that we're all created equal and that we shouldn't persecute anyone, and, as I said before, personally I find Nazi Germany reprehensible. Furthermore, I don't think using WWII as an example of "good vs. evil" was a bad example, because a lot of people think of it in those terms (as they would in any war- it's just that the "bad guys" change). I was just saying that historically we can't view it in those terms because history is objective. One thing is clear: for this "World War" to be successful, we need our combatants to successfully charge up their "us vs. them" rhetoric, because you're not going to build up support unless you can successfully paint your enemies as "the bad guys", and only the ones who are the best at that will win the war.

Rome, the RC is doing its job in preventing wars, but now we need a war, and it gets into the way

Rome, the RC is doing its job in preventing wars, but now we need a war, and it gets into the way

Not necessarily. If a Confederacy member is the aggressor no one is obligated to help them out. It's just a defensive thing.

doh. must be sumthin left for my destitute peole!!!! il have a look for another spare country. :)

I claim Sao toame and principe, and ascension Islands. they too small for anyone else to clam right?

I claim Sao toame and principe, and ascension Islands. they too small for anyone else to clam right?

Neither of those are claimed. They can be yours. One last question: "You aren't in another Earth are you?"

nope :)

I feel like such a prick for posting this again, but:

Oh, and Layarteb, I officially cede Kenya and Tanzania. Whoever wants them can have them. I'm moving into NW Brazil.

I would but my population is 75 million. A little too big for just sao tome principe and ascension islands. anyone like to cede some land in a bout of genrousity in return for diplomatic favours? :D

Look at the post above yours. Though, Yelm may or may not be interested in the same land.

Zeeeland: Claims added. Population & land size is sort of a thing here. RomeW brought it up way back when that our nation sizes just can't possibly fit into what land we have. I mean I have near 3 billion people and less land than China and the US so imagine how crowded I am. However, we never really tackled that issue, per say, and just ignore it completely.

GnOoLoCoPeLep: Claims updated.

Service Announcement

It is with great regret that I make the following announcement. First off, Baltic Karelia has gone well past 21 days of NS inactivity and unfortunately that means his land is up for grabs through RP. So that definitely sucks to be honest and well I have to do what rules I made. Unfortunately, whilst I wish not to do it, I must. Secondly, Binthor, :: sigh ::. Binthor had some trouble way back when with his father though luckily all turned out well, from last resort. However, Binthor has been inactive from NS in general since early February, very early February. He has logged in frequently and has never gone more than a few days of NS inactivity. Unfortunately, I am also required to declare him inactive and his land free for the taking through RP, as well. It is most hard to follow your own rules when you wish to make special cases for them but alas, what rules are valid if they apply only some times. So with a heavy heart I too declare him inactive. It is my wish that neither of these people lose their lands but I doubt they'll last more than half of a day before they cease to exist, greedy, greedy, greedy people! No, I'm just kidding.

With that aside, it brings me to my almost last point. I'm not trying to be a killjoy here but please people there are those out there, who shall remain anonymous :: cough white power losers cough :: who police these threads and report everything to the mods just because they want to be a mod or wish to suck mod bunghole. So please, think about what you post and think about what tone you present. I don't care what you talk about in this thread, OOC, IC, nonsense, who cares, it's your thread. If you want to chat about the color of the paint in your room, go right ahead, please by all means (and if you're a guy I hope it isn't pink). Just please exercise caution. We've got one of, if not the, largest threads in nation-states and while the mods will not close it down, I've been told of that, I don't wish to attract any "unnecessary attention" if you catch my drift.

Now my last point. This war that we've all talk about so fondly for what fifteen pages now? I am disappointed that we have harped on the use of nuclear weapons so damn much. Any one in E2 who uses them must realize that 1/2 of us have them. One person said they should be used as a last resort and that is such! If you are going to use a nuke, please do so if it is only your last option, because once they are launched they can't come back and there is no self-destruct. The consequences are a lot more and will probably invite a retaliatory response, which will invite another retaliatory response, and before you know it, every one of us, save Antarctica, is cleaning up mice goo!

Zeeeland furthers her Imperial expansion by claiming, st helena, Gibralter, Walvis bay (namibian coast) madeira, kerguelen island, British Indian ocean territories and Tokelau island. that should be good for the moment :)

Zeeeland furthers her Imperial expansion by claiming, st helena, Gibralter, Walvis bay (namibian coast) madeira, kerguelen island, British Indian ocean territories and Tokelau island. that should be good for the moment :)

Gibralter is under control of Krieg as he has control of the UK. Walvis Bay is owned by whoever owns Namibia. Madeira is owned by whomever owns Portugal. Tokelau belongs to New Zealand, which belongs to Tyrandis. Kerguelen Island and the Indian Ocean territories are owned by TLS who claimed the Indian Ocean islands once. St. Helena is about the only free one and only because its a UK protectorate.

[QUOTE=Layarteb
Now my last point. This war that we've all talk about so fondly for what fifteen pages now? I am disappointed that we have harped on the use of nuclear weapons so damn much. Any one in E2 who uses them must realize that 1/2 of us have them. One person said they should be used as a last resort and that is such! If you are going to use a nuke, please do so if it is only your last option, because once they are launched they can't come back and there is no self-destruct. The consequences are a lot more and will probably invite a retaliatory response, which will invite another retaliatory response, and before you know it, every one of us, save Antarctica, is cleaning up mice goo![/QUOTE]

I am not trying to talk much about t3h n00ks, and I am still willing to go to war with Cotty(it just seems like t3h perfect scenario).

What if my room happened to be pink? What would you say then?

OOC- Too bad about Binthor. Though it does bring an end to the Cuban situation. I'm going to say this now. It was a long, hard road. Consider the "Cruise Ship Catastrophe" thread to be my laim and invasion of Cuba. I'll finish it off and bring about a conclusion. But no one else go trying to grab Cuba. It's already been claimed.

What if my room happened to be pink? What would you say then?

I would have to invade you and decimate you on priniciple.

bugger. ok ST helena it is. and what about leningrad oblast i hear thats up for sale? :(

I would have to invade you and decimate you on priniciple.

I'll join ye.

Just for the heck of it.

I would have to invade you and decimate you on priniciple.

Good answer.

We'll say my President's bedroom is pink and you guys can invade me. There's our World War, right there.

Good answer.

See? Now we have a reason to start a World War.

This will go down in the history books as "The Stupidest War Ever. Yes, Even More Stupid Than the Soccer War."

See? Now we have a reason to start a World War.

This will go down in the history books as "The Stupidest War Ever. Yes, Even More Stupid Than the Soccer War."

No, the "Futbol War." There is no soccer. There is only football!

No, the "Futbol War." There is no soccer. There is only football!

Ah yes, I forgot, in Spanish the name is "La Guerra de Futbol". How do I know?

I live in Panama, num nut!

Zeeeland cordially greets every nation on earth. and hopes to build good diplomatic relations

by the way i claim leningrad oblast if its still available. (i know im a vulture) lol

by the way i claim leningrad oblast if its still available. (i know im a vulture) lol

You need to RP for that one. After 21 days of NS inactivity, nations can be claimed but only through RP. And it has to be good...

Well, with Binthor gone (and it saddens me too), I'm taking the Vatican. The Roman people deserve all of Rome!

EDIT- Layarteb, I know you told me no more additions but the Vatican is small (0.44 sq.km.) so I hope this is acceptable.

Well, with Binthor gone (and it saddens me too), I'm taking the Vatican. The Roman people deserve all of Rome!

EDIT- Layarteb, I know you told me no more additions but the Vatican is small (0.44 sq.km.) so I hope this is acceptable.

Grr...just do an RP. But no more, not even if it's the size of the smallest thing in the universe.

Grr...just do an RP. But no more, not even if it's the size of the smallest thing in the universe.

Okay. Thanks. I'll admit, it was annoying having a small claim inside my own capital.

:: bump ::

RP:

Religious Curia again under Roman control (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8514335#post8514335)

The Roman Government has also announced it will be selling Niger to any interested party. Asking price: US$7 trillion.

Seing as noone have taken any of Baltic Karelia's areas, I (Cotland) claim Leningrad and Karelia Oblasts for Cotland. Here's the RP. I believe that I still are within the confines of territorial limits...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8515876#post8515876

Seing as noone have taken any of Baltic Karelia's areas, I (Cotland) claim Leningrad and Karelia Oblasts for Cotland. Here's the RP. I believe that I still are within the confines of territorial limits...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8515876#post8515876

Zeeeland claimed Leningrad but we're just waiting for the RP.

Squornshelous Claims Murmansk Oblast:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8516285

Zeeeland claimed Leningrad but we're just waiting for the RP.
So my claim is null and void? If so, I claim only Karelia Oblast.

Cotland & Sqourn I have updated your claims, the map, and the RPs.

I would like to claim Tanzania and Kenya

The Roman Government has also announced it will be selling Niger to any interested party. Asking price: US$7 trillion.

Seven trillion? Is Niger really worth that much?

Do I have enough land left to claim Kenya and Tanzania?

Sorry if you answered but I didn't see a response.

I would like to claim Tanzania and Kenya

You got it.

Sorry if you answered but I didn't see a response.

That's what the spreadsheet is for. You don't have to ask me anymore, you just open the spreadsheet.

Oh I see. I apologise, I didn't see that before. Looks like The Knight Templars has claimed it anyway. Looks like another war for me.

Oh I see. I apologise, I didn't see that before. Looks like The Knight Templars has claimed it anyway. Looks like another war for me.

OOOO I love!

War over Kenya?
Wouldnt be the first time. Im all i favor of diplomacy, pen mighter than the sword, and if you dont have nothin nice to say, dont say nothin at all. But it has been a while, so if you want a fight, you've got it. They're mine. This is the first time I've been able to link at least a few of my territories together, so I intend to keep it
To Rome: I would be interested in Niger, but I wonder if its worth that much. Also, I know having a blip in your territory is annoying, but I most desire the Vatican. Perhaps that can be part of the deal as well (I posted in your Religious Curia thread). Also, as a member of the Confederacy, I remind all I would not be the aggressor in Africa, and expect assistance.

Don't get me wrong it's nothing personal against you. I have the perfect reason to invade anyway. Gold.

Well, yeah. I can understand that. Understand it so well that I took it for myself. But is gold really worth the metaphorical pimp slap you're about to receive? ;)

Don't get me wrong it's nothing personal against you. I have the perfect reason to invade anyway. Gold.

I love goooooooooooooooooold!

Imagine a Fish Monger rebellion!

WEEEeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Me retaking Southhampton Island:

thread:

Hudson Bay (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8517337#post8517337)
(yes its decree 12)

I am also moving into Armenia, with a Decree 12 post:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8517360#post8517360
its going to be a very good day today.
Also, while we're on the topic of Decree 12, "Liberation of Far Tortuga" is a Decree 12 post I started and abandoned long ago, so as far as I know you can delete it.

I'll post the mobilization thread around 3 EST.

Seven trillion? Is Niger really worth that much?

It IS a considerable territory (over 360K sq. mi.) and the Roman government has developed it (source) (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=379524), so we do not feel that is too high of a price. We *may* part with it for $4-5 trillion instead, but not any lower.

To Rome: I would be interested in Niger, but I wonder if its worth that much. Also, I know having a blip in your territory is annoying, but I most desire the Vatican. Perhaps that can be part of the deal as well (I posted in your Religious Curia thread). Also, as a member of the Confederacy, I remind all I would not be the aggressor in Africa, and expect assistance.

OOC: Your post in the thread didn't indicate that you wanted control over it...you just wanted to make it stayed protected, and it would. However, we may be able to arrange that.

IC: If The Knights Templars, a loyal ally of Rome, wishes to gain the title of Pontifex Catholci (OOC: the head of what was the Religious Curia, which has a different name now, the Curia Catholicum), it can do so under the following conditions:

-The government of The Knights Templars will only be allowed to use the Curia Catholicum as an official Embassy and nothing more

-The Knights Templars agrees in full that *official* soverignty over the area falls to the Roman Empire, but is given full autonomy and extensive authority over the area

-The Knights Templars is to act as the official head of Catholicism across the Roman Empire, as per the terms of the Curia Catholicum as set by the Codex Romanus (Roman Law) (OOC: meaning that (for example) the Knights cannot go and eradicate Muslims because Rome has complete freedom of religion)

-The Knights Templars may not place more than a centuria (100 soldiers) on the premises, with their sole job being the security of the Curia Catholicum

-The Knights Templars will continue to receive all the aid and help it normally gets from Rome, as well as any additional aid that both Rome and The Knights believe is necessary for the administration of the Curia Catholicum

-The Knights are given full authority over the selection of the Pontifex Catholici, but are to respect the authority over the office of the Pontifex Maximus, although the Pontifex may not force the removal of the Pontifex Catholici.

-The Knights are to pay a tribute of US$50 million a year in order to maintain control over the Curia Catholicum.

These terms can be negotiated.

My Mexican War thread is finished. One minor change is that BLARG will receive Quintana Roo, and I will keep the remaining provinces. Took more four months but the thread is finished.

The Knight Templars: Did I give you the appropriate land?

Celtayoshi: Alright it's yours.

Tanuio: Alright. That was a great RP though! But BLARGistania needs to post here about that province switch.

I'm glad I didn't just sell Kenya and Tanzania to someone. You guys fighting over it is a far better solution. Expect participation from me in terms of removing my people, military, etc. from the area.

I was thinking, maybe we should cool it for the suggested two weeks after the Yelmo-Templar war. Get your Decree 12 threads out of the way and keep our hands to ourselves for a little while.

Cotland claims Equatorial Guinea according to Decree 12

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8518783#post8518783

hmm, thing is I need the natural resources immediately. Plus it's only a little war in a big world.

Alright Cotland done.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8519416#post8519416

Thread of the war.

I threw a wrench into the works, so to speak. I'm making it interesting for you guys.

Man, I've got a lot of catching up to do.

Cotland, additional forces are arriving at Sicily, you can pull out your troops if you wish

Man, I've got a lot of catching up to do.

It's good that you put forth such contributions, Louis.

Man, I've got a lot of catching up to do.

Don't worry it's more or less 15 or more pages of WMD bickering.

GnOoLoCoPeLep are you going to be fighting both me and TKT?

I was thinking, maybe we should cool it for the suggested two weeks after the Yelmo-Templar war. Get your Decree 12 threads out of the way and keep our hands to ourselves for a little while.

I thought that was what we were doing? Didn't you guys read? I thought we were discussing the aspects of the coming WW and no wars except Decree 12 actions were to take place for two weeks? Help me out here Layarteb?


-Hawdawg

I thought that was what we were doing? Didn't you guys read? I thought we were discussing the aspects of the coming WW and no wars except Decree 12 actions were to take place for two weeks? Help me out here Layarteb?


-Hawdawg

We've just been discussing it. We really haven't come to a conclusion either way though. I mean honestly, should we do this?

ATTENTION

TELEGRAM ME WITH YOUR SAY ABOUT THIS IDEA OF A WORLD WAR SANS THE PEACE TIME LINE, LIKE JUST START THIS WAR AND SAVE THE PEACE FOR AFTERWARDS??? MAJORITY OPINION WILL RULE ON THIS MATTER SO IF YOU DON'T THINK YOUR OPINION MATTERS, THINK AGAIN!!!

Telegrams Recieved: 7

I thought that was what we were doing? Didn't you guys read? I thought we were discussing the aspects of the coming WW and no wars except Decree 12 actions were to take place for two weeks? Help me out here Layarteb?


-Hawdawg

I know what we were talking about, hence the cool it for the suggested two weeks

I was just saying that we should start the temporary peace now.

Yelm: Yeah, I've got a rogue military force operating in there. They too are vying for sovereignty. They'll have to lose though, because I can't control two separate nations on a continual basis.

Layarteb: I'll fire off a telegram soon.

I say the situation in Africa could very well turn into the World War. We already have the two chief combatants who appear to be very ambitious- and, since (I don't think) they're part of any of the existing Earth II alliances it's so far a fair fight. That is, unless one of the two is better able at building their own alliance...

It'll have to eventually draw me in, seeing as how I have a rogue military force blowing stuff up over there. But I don't think it's enough to start a world war. For that to happen we need to involve all the major powers, this doesn't do that.

War, oh dear, now I have to start preparing forces.

It'll have to eventually draw me in, seeing as how I have a rogue military force blowing stuff up over there. But I don't think it's enough to start a world war. For that to happen we need to involve all the major powers, this doesn't do that.

Unless all the major military powers stick their fingers in the pie and come out fighting.

As for the war, maybe a third party country could spark a border incident between two superpowers and then it develops and spirals out of control as more and more allies get sucked in?

It'll have to eventually draw me in, seeing as how I have a rogue military force blowing stuff up over there. But I don't think it's enough to start a world war. For that to happen we need to involve all the major powers, this doesn't do that.

Well, what if one side is losing and, to tip the balance, calls in a major power. Then their opponents may call in another power to balance the equation again. It is possible.

Elephantum: Consider it done.

Layarteb: Telegram sent. The annexation of Tennessee (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8524126#post8524126) is completed. Also, I see that you still haven't updated the maps and claims. I, or should I rather say Duke Barol, owns Botswana. I invaded it, and later sold it to the Duke. The invasion is over in a few minutes.

Rome: Wasn't it something similar that happened in Angola?

First, some unfinished business . . .

Layarteb - No, you didnt need to give me any territory for the Liberation of Far Tortuga decree12 thread. I only made 1 post. You can go ahead and delete it.

Rome - I agree to the positions you set forth regarding the Vatican and Pontifex Catholci, The Templars owe you most righteously. :cool:

I don't want to jump over anybody's heads here on the World War topic, but I do have a hand to play.
AS the nation under attack by both guerilla forces formerly belonging to the Commonwealth of Eire and the nation of Yelm, and
AS a member of the Roman Confederacy,
The Knight Templars ask that our brothers in the Confederacy act according to our code. As the defending nation, I see it as the duty of other Confederacy members to get involved. I would think I could win this war on my own, but the untold losses are highly unneccessary and to the detriment of not only my nation, but the future cohesion of the Confederacy. I request your assistance, asap

Well there we go. I'll fight the entire Roman Confederacy with Yelm.

Get a couple more nations on our side and we may be in business. I'll have to think of a way to get myself situated on the opposite side of The Confederacy in this situation. Perhaps I could have my government discovering the guerrilla force and instead of helping to quash it, they aid it, seeing the value of an East African Protectorate. I could actually see how this could work, now. We may want to discuss where we want to take this whole thing before continuing on with it. Also, anyone willing to fight on a side with myself and Yelm, it's necessary and would be much appreciated.

Some act of mass homicide could also help. The Knights Templars drops thousands of incendiary bombs on Nairobi or something so public opinion isn't too much on the side of the Confederacy. I'd have no problem firebombing someone, but unfortunately noone would fight on my side, then.

Looks like I'll be needing some more fleets in that region. I might be able to work out a military base deal with a nation in the area.

Yelm, you could dock in the Comoros. It's four islands between Madagascar and Tanzania. I'll try and think up a plausible explanation as to why I would do this.

Oh great, i need to help an enemy fight a war far away from me. I am fully obligated to help Knights Templar agaisnt Yelm even though he threatened to invade me in the Bahraini thread? Does it have to be military support, or can I send supplies and stuff.

I'd consider Pelep a better ally anyways. He offered help in Gambia.

Rome, some clarifaction would be nice

Yelm, you could dock in the Comoros. It's four islands between Madagascar and Tanzania. I'll try and think up a plausible explanation as to why I would do this.

I've already sent Teh Ninjas the telegram, he has Somalia, and Madagascar so I'm trying to work out a deal for two or three naval bases.

Sometime during the conflict I'll probably form my own Church to protest TKT control of Roman Catholicism. Hibernian Catholicism, exactly the same as the old religion but this time there's no Pope. Excellent.

Duke Barol: Bostwana & Galapagos added to your claims.

Layarteb, is the "Earth II News" thread still active? I haven't seen any activity on it for ages. Hogsy haven't updated it more then once.

Layarteb, is the "Earth II News" thread still active? I haven't seen any activity on it for ages. Hogsy haven't updated it more then once.

Not really.

I've gotten myself involved in the war. Couldn't resist, mate.

Only in Time Can Pain Fade (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=395088) is complete. If you would like, please leave questions, comments, etc. in the thread.

World War OOC Discussion

We'll take the OOC Discussion of E2 WW to this thread...

THREAD (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407609)

Added my two cents.

Alas, Sqourn, what a great idea...

Cotland: I'm not sure...I think that's what happened. I don't know that much about Angola however.

Elephantum: Technically, you're right, but if you have issues with helping The Knights Templars (and you have obvious reasons not to), then you're allowed to attempt to the resolve the issue first. You'll have to raise the issue with the rest of the Confederacy though- we need to form a united front before we can really take any action.

The Knights Templars: Good then. Vatican City is yours. Are you still interested in Niger? I really want to get rid of it.

As for the whole Kenya situation: I'm currently hesitant about calling it a situation where RC aid is needed. It appears to me that nobody has clear control over the area, so it's not like anyone's getting invaded besides the poor Kenyans (or, rather, Bantu: "Kenya" comes from its founder Jomo Kenyatta, but I'll stop nitpicking). What does the rest of the Confederacy think?

I JUST BEAT DOOM 3 ON THE SECOND HARDEST LEVEL POSSIBLE

OH MY GOD!!

I JUST BEAT DOOM 3 ON THE SECOND HARDEST LEVEL POSSIBLE

OH MY GOD!!

Congratulations

(Just for the effect) ;)

I never played Doom. I've heard good things, though.

More of a Total War guy, myself.

I JUST BEAT DOOM 3 ON THE SECOND HARDEST LEVEL POSSIBLE

OH MY GOD!!


If you don't know what this is from, you don't know anything about Computer Games.

Random Quotes from "Game X"(not real name, BTW)

"We need food!"

"I bet you think they deserved that...."

"Way to go, boss!"

"We need offspring!"

(You should really know the first and last quotes if you know the game, it's all that the people are constantly screeching!

Ergh!)

As a minor request, Layarteb, could you rename 'The Siberian Pact' under Alliances to 'The United Russian Friendship and Co-operation Alliance - all Russian nations invited'? You're also welcome to join if you like. There's further information in the link.

Layarteb: Hawdawg Invades Sweden RP is officially complete.


-Hawdawg

Hi everyone.

Just checking and and staking a claim of control over the Quintana Roo province of Mexico - result of this war (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=379926)

EDIT: Official news the Tanuian invasion of Mexico thread is officially complete.

BLARGistania: Added.

Hawdawg: RP moved.

Andrehevia: Alliance changed.

I am back peoples. Just saying so nobody claims my land.

Add this thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8532700#post8532700

Cotland, i would like you to join.

Add this thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8532700#post8532700

Cotland, i would like to join.
Join what?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8532896#post8532896

New thread. Mostly about my terrorist organization which I hope will become the most destructive terrorist organization in Earth II.

Join what?

Oops typo, i fixed it now.

Hey I don't know which thread to post this but if World War breaks out on EII here are the people I will like to help and be helped by and be alligned too and already are alligned too:

1. Layarteb
2. North Germania
3. Marimai ( sorry if I spelled it wrong )
4. Cotland
5. Hawdawg

People that I like and wish to stay friendly/neutral and possibly ally:

1. Andrehervia
2. Tyrandis

More to come for sure...

00-00-00-00-00

Yea I have developed a lot of friends and allies, and were all doing a major WORLD WAR...hrmm...and I don't know if all of my friends/allies are allied or friendly with the rest I stated. And I know there are a lot more nations I am completely neutral with and don't mind that I forgot to add. Sorry. Heh..

Hey I don't know which thread to post this but if World War breaks out on EII here are the people I will like to help and be helped by and be alligned too and already are alligned too:

1. Layarteb
2. North Germania
3. Marimai ( sorry if I spelled it wrong )
4. Cotland
5. Hawdawg

People that I like and wish to stay friendly/neutral and possibly ally:

1. Andrehervia
2. Tyrandis

More to come for sure...

00-00-00-00-00

Yea I have developed a lot of friends and allies, and were all doing a major WORLD WAR...hrmm...and I don't know if all of my friends/allies are allied or friendly with the rest I stated. And I know there are a lot more nations I am completely neutral with and don't mind that I forgot to add. Sorry. Heh..
You should be careful, you might end up with allies on by sides of the conflict, that could mess up your plans. I might end up in a similar situation

I thought I mentioned that I hope none of them are to hostile. The people I am fully sided with is Lay and NG. Then the rest are just cool allies I like a lot.

Official Announcement

Just moments ago Psychotika and The Holy Republic of Hawdawg reached an agreement on Finland. As of this moment the peaceful transfer of power has begun. In exchange for Finland Hawdawg has agreed to drop the 25% tax on exported goods from Japan and other undisclosed concessions. We look forward to a fruitful and prosperous relationship with Pyschotika.


Signed,


Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

OCC: Pyschotika can confirm this trade deal.

Layarteb:

This is a link to the Wargames planned in Sweden.

Swedish Wargames (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407833)

Please feel free to post there if you plan to participate.


-Hawdawg

Layarteb: The annexation of Tennessee is complete. Here's the link if you don't remember it. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=403159

wow. ok. I just got back from dc, and i noticed that there are 40 more pages of posts. can someone catch me up on whats going on.

When it comes down to it, i would like to be allied with Cotland and Lay.

"Military spending is on the increase, ...notable individuals are granted land and titles, and most of the military's funding goes into researching space-age weaponry..."

This is an excript from my ns site. I am reaserching moving satalites and other weapon systems into space. im saying this now so people dont think im god modding later.

"Military spending is on the increase, ...notable individuals are granted land and titles, and most of the military's funding goes into researching space-age weaponry..."

This is an excript from my ns site. I am reaserching moving satalites and other weapon systems into space. im saying this now so people dont think im god modding later.

Space-based weapons platforms are not necessarily god modding. Keep in mind that we are modern tech on E II. I would suggest your research be laser oriented or something along that line. Remember it has to be feasible in MT to be allowable.

Deathstar's, Gallactic Cruisers, and warp drives would be a no-no.

-Hawdawg

Space-based weapons platforms are not necessarily god modding. Keep in mind that we are modern tech on E II. I would suggest your research be laser oriented or something along that line. Remember it has to be feasible in MT to be allowable.

Deathstar's, Gallactic Cruisers, and warp drives would be a no-no.

-Hawdawg

Ok, thanks, i plan on starting out with a space program out of botswanna. maby a man on the moon sorta thing.

Yea, me and Hawdawg have made such a trade. Finland is his.

Calling out to Greenmanbry, again:

Interested in trading your Eastern Asian land for Nebraska and Kansas? I am willing to pay too.

( Sorry if you have replied, but I have not gotten a TG and I havn't seen a reply yet.

can someone give me a quick sit-rep of ww3

Ok, thanks, i plan on starting out with a space program out of botswanna. maby a man on the moon sorta thing.
Join the club. We have a lot of nations ready for that sort of thing. Haven't seen much activity there lately though..

Hell I have a space station orbiting the Med. and one orbiting China capable of launching 52 Neutronic warheads each capable of destroying alot. So yeah.

And yes I have space fighters and missile sats. surrounding the station so no wise stuff.

Has anyone tried to take Far Tortuga's land in Mexico? I'm about two seconds away from invading it.

Hell I have a space station orbiting the Med. and one orbiting China capable of launching 52 Neutronic warheads each capable of destroying alot. So yeah.

And yes I have space fighters and missile sats. surrounding the station so no wise stuff.

I have a finished Space Station over the tropics, which is guarded by fighters and missile things as well. Unlike yours, however, I haven't put t3h god-mod missiles on mine(are Neutronic Warheads even MT?), and it is mostly meant to be the head of all my activities in space. I also have a weapons platform over Russia, one over the Med, one over S. Asia, and am creating an ultra-weapon over the N. Hemisphere.

(Remember, weapons platforms aren't big stations. Their just weapons in space with a medium crew.)

You're not the only one in space.

(In fact, according to the now-defunct space thread I am the only member of the Internation Space Alliance-thing that has a working Space Station.)

Greetings everyone :) on behalf of the Zeeeland people and his royal Highness tsar sputnik IV.

I just realized my nation is 2 years and 18 days old. Sweet.

I have a finished Space Station over the tropics, which is guarded by fighters and missile things as well. Unlike yours, however, I haven't put t3h god-mod missiles on mine(are Neutronic Warheads even MT?), and it is mostly meant to be the head of all my activities in space. I also have a weapons platform over Russia, one over the Med, one over S. Asia, and am creating an ultra-weapon over the N. Hemisphere.

(Remember, weapons platforms aren't big stations. Their just weapons in space with a medium crew.)

You're not the only one in space.

(In fact, according to the now-defunct space thread I am the only member of the Internation Space Alliance-thing that has a working Space Station.)
Since it died, i stopped posting, but i have a small station on venus, capable of destroying itself and putting a pretty big crater on venus.

I declare war on venus hehehe

Remind me WHY I don't drink anymore...

well theres many different reasons, maybe you woke up next to some really ugly person you didnt know

Layarteb: In case you missed it, I recently purchased Finland from Psychotika he confirmed this a few posts back. When you get a chance could you update maps?

Also posted a Swedish Wargames thread. It needs to go in active thread column, it will tie into war whenever it breaks out.

Thanks a bunch,


-Hawdawg

You got caught drinking as a minor?

You got caught drinking and driving?

You had a really, really, really bad hangover once?

I don't know. You tell me...

Since it died, i stopped posting, but i have a small station on venus, capable of destroying itself and putting a pretty big crater on venus.

I declare war on venus hehehe

A manned station would be impossible.

A heavily, heavily armored robot maybe, but actualy humans would be fried, crushed, or fried-crushed.

Bhutan up for grabs? I dont see anyones name on it. if so i claim it. :)

Bhutan up for grabs? I dont see anyones name on it. if so i claim it. :)

Bhutan are mine :p.

A manned station would be impossible.

A heavily, heavily armored robot maybe, but actualy humans would be fried, crushed, or fried-crushed.
its orbiting, around venus would have been better wording

How the hell does anyone have stations orbiting Venus? Isn't this modern tech? Christ, we haven't even gotten to Mars yet.

How the hell does anyone have stations orbiting Venus? Isn't this modern tech? Christ, we haven't even gotten to Mars yet.

Orbiting.

We have satellites orbiting Mars, and we've had them orbiting Venus.

Do yer space reasearch.