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The votes are in from the MESC forum on two important issues

First-The Poland Situation, an embargo

This proposal, created by myself, asked members to decide whether to embargo North Germania and his supporters, Carthage and his supporters, no one, or select individual nations. By the constitution, this required a 66% of voting members to vote to embargo any particular option.

3 members (50%) voted to embargo North Germania and his allies
2 Members (33.33%) voted to embargo Carthage and his allies
1 Member (16.67%) voted to embargo select (unspecified) members
2 members abstained.

No one was embargoed, however, unless the coalition passes a resolution to the contrary, nations are free to trade or not trade with whomever they wish, and the three members voting in favor of embargoing North Germania (myself, TLS, and Rome is my guess, but it is an anonymous vote), may decide not to trade with Germania. This also applies to the other three voting members.


The other resolution on vote was the induction of the Knight Templars. Templarian acquisition of Israel makes him a candidate for membership, and I created a proposal asking permission to formally invite him into the Coalition. A formal invitation would include a copy of the constitution. If he decides to join, he will be admitted. This requires 50% of voting members to vote in favor (note-not 51%).

3 (75%) members voted in favor
1 (25%) member voted against
4 members abstained

The resolution passed, and he will be provided with a copy of the constitution and an invitation.

Note that there was a 10 day voting window on each issue.

Cotland/Hawdawg: Norway thing done.

Civilian Terrorists: Right. You could maybe join Earth II, if we have an opening, I haven't looked at the maps in a while but I bet there is at least one or maybe someone would sell something to you.

Elephantum: Nice job with the MESC. You know it reminds me of MEC in Battlefield 2.

Hope all of your nations are restored and not 0 of 0 :)

HEY!

All Roman Confederacy members please go to the forum now. There is a rather scathing post by me that needs your attention.

I don't see the link to the forum anymore... :(

Civilian Terrorists: Right. You could maybe join Earth II, if we have an opening, I haven't looked at the maps in a while but I bet there is at least one or maybe someone would sell something to you.

Well, I'm gonna release a lot of Russian lands in a little bit, as well as Liberia, so you might get your chance there. Just waiting for the Polish war to start...

I don't see the link to the forum anymore... :(
i just have a bookmarked link to the front page that i use for MESC and RC forums

This war is looking more and more likely to interfere with the coming school year

This war is looking more and more likely to interfere with the coming school year
Too late.... School started a week ago for me...

Where is Earth II on NS? When I typed in Earth II it should a place with only two places or three.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=440506

Creation of Kurdistan

Now Im the 10 Sultanates of Elephantum

Gotta go update the sig and work on the quasi factbook-see sig

Someone using supercavs in E2?

TLS, yeah I wish NG would get back so we could have that war.



Shit, I use them.

Hawdawg, I'm not selling anything to you, as I have embargoed and am now diplomatically hostile to you, Cotland, and Germania.

Where is Earth II on NS? When I typed in Earth II it should a place with only two places or three.
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In Nation-States there sits well over 100,000 nations, many of whom claim the same places as others. It is not possible to fully accommodate everyone at every point in time. Concessions must be made. Within Nation-States there is the NS Universe, encompassing all nations, whether they are on Earth or a galaxy in some quadrant six hundred light years away from Earth. On the "NS Earth" there sits thousands of nations, many claiming the same land. Such a planet has been theoretically imagined to be gigantic in size, comparable to say Jupiter. Therein, one can see the difficulty in role-playing. Imagine flying from New York to London on this Earth. It's in excess of ten thousand miles, if the scale is correct. For realistic purposes, it doesn't suite modern tech very well and gives even future tech a run for their money. So, then, how to accommodate and make it easier to manage? The answer is simple, a RL Earth. That was, in essence, Earth I. Earth II was a following of such for those who had no claims in Earth I. Suddenly, things were realistic and modern tech was fully possible, future tech being beyond possible. In addition, when one begins a war, for instance, in NS Earth, it is likely that such can turn into a two hundred nation battle royale, second to impossible to follow, let alone participate in. By limiting the playing field to a realistically sized Earth with a more realistic number of nations, manageability becomes far easier.

Consider this, the NS Universe like a city with a large population. Now in this city there are various clubs (rotary, country, etc.). Earth II is just that, a country club within this city. Instead of playing golf, the members play politics. Country clubs are, for the overwhelming majority, exclusive in which only its members may enjoy the fruits of the club. This analogy provides a simplicity to Earth II. Earth II is exclusive for those members inside. This is not to say that those who belong to Earth II do not belong to the NS Universe, after all, if you belong to the country club you still belong to the city. However, some nations may wish to participate only on this minor scale and such is their prerogative. Nations may wish to participate outside of Earth II as well and such is their prerogative.

Earth II is meant to serve those who belong to it and to provide a warm and friendly role-playing environment, regardless of political affiliation. It is meant to be a scaled down version of Earth where our fantasies can be carried out. If you want to torture hundreds of thousands of citizens, go right ahead, but do expect consequences, therein lying the beauty of Earth II. In essence we're playing "life" on Earth. But alas, anarchy does not reign free here. We do have guidelines, proper conduct, and regulations that must be adhered to. This is a social contract, more or less, and it is only valid if all nations contribute equally to it.

Kreynoria']

Hawdawg, I'm not selling anything to you, as I have embargoed and am now diplomatically hostile to you, Cotland, and Germania.

OOC:

Well that's too bad, I was willing to offer quite a bit for Timor.

IC:

With the recent "alignment" of Kreynorian Policy with the Elephanti Government, the Holy Republic of Hawdawg has decided to develop a list of banned items not exportable from any of the Republics holdings to the Alliance Countries to include:

Lumber, Coal, Textiles, Wool, Agricultural Commodities, Tin, Copper, Titanium, Uranium, Heavy Water, Lead, Steel, Cast Iron, Scrap Metals, Medical Supplies, Plastics, Rubber, Industrial Machinery, Vehicles, Seed, etc.

In addition to this ban, all diplomatic ties will be severed with proponents of the Elephanti Coalition. Countries falling under this edict have 48 hours to remove all embassy staff from Hawdawg Territory via commercial flights. All assets of these nations have been frozen and will not be released until this conflict is resolved. We regret having to take such drastic steps, but the first steps of stifeling trade where not taken by our government. This ban is retroactive as of today and may be lifted at the descretion of the Minister of Commerce.

Signed,

Josey Wales
Prime Minister
Holy Republic of Hawdawg

OOC: Er... Hawdawg? YOU are in the Coalition. We are the Alliance. We kinda decided that on the other thread.

Of course, you don't have to use that, but since we are referring to you guys as the "Coalition", it's mighty confusing when it seems like you are embargo-ing your own side.

Am I the only one who's trying to advocate peace?

...and, on another front, this is really looking like the Second Phony War...

I'd like to claim the island of Jan Mayen for Cotland.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/cia04/jan_mayen_sm04.gif

OOC: Er... Hawdawg? YOU are in the Coalition. We are the Alliance. We kinda decided that on the other thread.

Of course, you don't have to use that, but since we are referring to you guys as the "Coalition", it's mighty confusing when it seems like you are embargo-ing your own side.

I will fix it, sorry about that, I had only drank a partial cup of coffee when I wrote that blurb.


-Hawdawg

Hi everybody. I apologize for my inactiveness but both my grand parents had a heart attack and my grand father needed surgery. So I didn't have the time to come online and RP and I wasn't in the mood either. Now there okay so I am back and to start RPing again.

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CATEGORY 5!!!!

NG may be out for even longer...Man he can't get a break, he just moved in!

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CATEGORY 5!!!!

NG may be out for even longer...Man he can't get a break, he just moved in!

New Orleans is in trouble. I heard they actually may use the Superdome as an emergency shelter for people that don't have the money/way to leave town. North/South interstates have all be rerouted to North bound only to get folks away from the coast. Locally 15-25 storm surge is expected, plus the 150+ wind. I have been through a hurricane (Alicia), I was 70 miles inland and the wind and rain was phenominal. We lost so many trees/limbs and sustained winds in that storm were only 115 mph. It will take a minimum of 2 weeks for the power company to fix all the outages that are going to happen. The good news on that end is Texas will be sending many crews to help and that should help speed up the process somewhat.

-Hawdawg

Just checking in, sorry for the inactivity, I'll be back soon.

Hawdawg, TLS, Rome, et al: When did I inherit the alliance? I thought we were all behind TLS over Poland. Oh well.

Also of note, the recently returned NTG would like to join the MESC (note that this is completely unrelated to the alliance/coalition war as there is no military obligation in the MESC), and all members have until the 8th to vote on his invitation. The only cause for debate (i think) would be whether or not to count Turkey as Middle Eastern or European. But since Rome is a member, as was Neuvo Rica before he took control of Iran, I think he should join.

EDIT-the last hurricane to hit me was when I was little, but tropical depression Dennis hit me and 400 other kids this year at the WWII memorial, quite a fun time actually.

Hawdawg, TLS, Rome, et al: When did I inherit the alliance? I thought we were all behind TLS over Poland. Oh well.

Also of note, the recently returned NTG would like to join the MESC (note that this is completely unrelated to the alliance/coalition war as there is no military obligation in the MESC), and all members have until the 8th to vote on his invitation. The only cause for debate (i think) would be whether or not to count Turkey as Middle Eastern or European. But since Rome is a member, as was Neuvo Rica before he took control of Iran, I think he should join.

EDIT-the last hurricane to hit me was when I was little, but tropical depression Dennis hit me and 400 other kids this year at the WWII memorial, quite a fun time actually.

Its easier to say Elephanti Government than the nine ten or whatever number of sultanettes TLS uses as his official name. Wasn't implying you where the lead member of the group just using your political stance with the alliance as a whole to justify the embargo against Kreynoria and the other members of the group.

-Hawdawg

Hawdawg, TLS, Rome, et al: When did I inherit the alliance? I thought we were all behind TLS over Poland. Oh well.

Also of note, the recently returned NTG would like to join the MESC (note that this is completely unrelated to the alliance/coalition war as there is no military obligation in the MESC), and all members have until the 8th to vote on his invitation. The only cause for debate (i think) would be whether or not to count Turkey as Middle Eastern or European. But since Rome is a member, as was Neuvo Rica before he took control of Iran, I think he should join.

EDIT-the last hurricane to hit me was when I was little, but tropical depression Dennis hit me and 400 other kids this year at the WWII memorial, quite a fun time actually.

You didn´t inherit it. We were just referring to what group you were in. Neither group has an offical "leader"(to my knowledge)

Its easier to say Elephanti Government than the nine ten or whatever number of sultanettes TLS uses as his official name

To my knowledge, TLS was "the Federal Union of Carthage" and Elephantum is "the Ten Sultanates"

Kreynoria']To my knowledge, TLS was "the Federal Union of Carthage" and Elephantum is "the Ten Sultanates"

That is why I go by Hawdawg. Keeps it simple.

165 mph wind and 28 foot storm surge, near total devestation expected.

if you believe in a God and you think he or she does something then please pray for NG because he needs it right now.

Prayers from Norway goes out to NG and all the other poor bastards that are caught in that hurricane.

The Ten Sultanates of Elephantum is the official title, like the Hellenistic Empire of Nikolaos the Great or The United States of America. However, Elephantum is the name generally used. It could be worse, I almost made each Sultanate almost completely independent, like Rome does, and then you'd be dealing with India, Bahrain, the Emirates, Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, Qatar, Antarctica, and Kurdistan. Only the idea of keeping track of all those different militaries stopped me.

I hope NG will be OK

I hope NG will be OK

Me too. I feel doubly bad because New Orleans was built terribly by the French- they built in the river, so the flooding could be worse there.

Many prayers come from me, from Canada via Texas.

I just hope that the evacuation efforts in New Orleans have gone according to plan, and that everyone in the area has either gotten out or found somewhere to hunker down. My thoughts are with NG and everyone else there.

Prayers from Chicago for NG.

After having RP'd with NG a few times in the past, I hope he comes out alright from this.

Good luck New Orleans, from Auckland, NZ.

It looks like New Orleans got spared from the worst of it, and it should pass soon.

Some of my army buddies that went Active duty are stationed at Fort Polk, LO

But they're are going to be busy in the next few weeks filling sandbags

Prayers to NG and everyone else down there

I posted this in the Poland thread, but I want to know if it would be okay if I retracted my post where I attacked people (having it where I haven't launched any attack at all). I figure that since we're waiting on NG to have the war I should remove the post and re-post it when appropriate.

Good thing that the hurricane swirved just in time to spare New Orleans the full brunt of its power, but it still did a helluva lotta damage.

still did a hell of a lot of damage...

ATTENTION

Guys we have some serious bad news. New Oreleans will probably be uninhabitable for weeks now. Power won't be on for a month, flood waters are massive, and they're just finding bodies. Everyone is being evacuated to Texas. New Oreleans is declared uninhabitable for at least a month. The whole Gulf coast is in deep shit. Chances are NG won't be on any time soon. I am watching the news and there are just people walking out over a bridge. It's a very serious disaster. I-20, exit 235 has what 1000s there. So I think we'll have to seriously suspend a lot of stuff in regards to Poland indefinitely....

ATTENTION

Guys we have some serious bad news. New Oreleans will probably be uninhabitable for weeks now. Power won't be on for a month, flood waters are massive, and they're just finding bodies. Everyone is being evacuated to Texas. New Oreleans is declared uninhabitable for at least a month. The whole Gulf coast is in deep shit. Chances are NG won't be on any time soon. I am watching the news and there are just people walking out over a bridge. It's a very serious disaster. I-20, exit 235 has what 1000s there. So I think we'll have to seriously suspend a lot of stuff in regards to Poland indefinitely....

In addition to this, all Superdome evacuees are being moved to the Astrodome in Houston via bus. I understand all of them will be moved as soon as all the Hospitals have been evacuated. This may take up to a week. We have two regional Hospitals close by and they are going to be taking some of the Hospital patients also. Some 25,000 to 30,000 people are stranded in the Superdome currently. They are concerned the flooding in downtown will actually overtake this facility. We actually have a shelter set up in Tyler that some 400 people have moved into with more expected. My students started a clothing, food, cash drive today to send to the American Red Cross, I would suggest donations to this organization, they need cash the worst of all.

-Hawdawg

Just outta curiosity...

WHERE in Louisiana was NG moving, anyhoo? If it was New Orleans...

Oh, and I hand over the Falklands, Maharasthra(excluding everything within I think about 10 miles of Mumbai), Everything south of the "5" on the map of the state of Chhattisgarh, and Orissa to Varsola. And we have joint-control of New Delhi.

Just outta curiosity...

WHERE in Louisiana was NG moving, anyhoo? If it was New Orleans...
Yes, it was in New Orleans. As of now, all of his belongings are destroyed and he's lingering in Mobile, Alabama while waiting for Bush to do something for him and the tens of thousands of others that haven't got anything anymore. At least he's alive...

Yes, it was in New Orleans. As of now, all of his belongings are destroyed and he's lingering in Mobile, Alabama while waiting for Bush to do something for him and the tens of thousands of others that haven't got anything anymore. At least he's alive...

Ouch.

Something tells me that some higher power does not want our RP's to continue >_> <_<.

Glad to hear NG is alive and well. I know his situation [We did have the Great Flood and Blizzard of 1997 which did more proportional damage than anything in history (probably not quite as much as New Orleans in any aspect)].

We had to pump several feet of water from our house... And we were fifty miles from the Red River on agricultural farm land. I believe the Red crested at 54 feet, 26 feet higher than flood stage [which then flooded most of the entire region since there's only about a foot of difference every several hundred square miles]. I remember that we had to fill sandbags [I was in school at the time, not even in high school] and help the citizens of the cities build dikes around Oxbow, Hickson, Walcott, Kindred, and several other places around us. And that was after the most powerful blizzard we'd received in several years [and it was in April] and after the most destructive freezing rain storm we've experienced [we had no power through out the entire flood nor telephone, everything came from a battery operated radio while we grilled food on the grill in 20-30 degree weather]. 1996-97 was a destructive year for us... But then, flooding is why the Red River valley is so fertile...




Hopefully, things go right and NG gets what he needs, along with the rest of the affected area.

Yeah me too, you guys got hit pretty bad, well as they say shit happens, i hope you'll recover soon.

Yeah me too, you guys got hit pretty bad, well as they say shit happens, i hope you'll recover soon.

Not many people understand the full extent of it. New Orleans just doesn't exist anymore. It's been wiped off the map. Overnight, gas prices went up almost $1.00 and I expect them to climb further. This is far more than a simple flooded city. Hundreds of thousands of people are homeless, their city gone. Hell I doubt 4 months and it'll be ready to be moved back into. There's a lot of water to pump out, a lot of sewage to clean up, a lot of rebuilding to do. Its unfathomable.

Not many people understand the full extent of it. New Orleans just doesn't exist anymore. It's been wiped off the map. Overnight, gas prices went up almost $1.00 and I expect them to climb further. This is far more than a simple flooded city. Hundreds of thousands of people are homeless, their city gone. Hell I doubt 4 months and it'll be ready to be moved back into. There's a lot of water to pump out, a lot of sewage to clean up, a lot of rebuilding to do. Its unfathomable.

We have 200 evacuees in our church. My neighbor has 40 people in his church. 2500+ people are in Tyler shelters. We got 3 transfer kids from LA today at school. They have nothing. We are trying to fill everyones needs here in East Texas. Lord nows how many more are coming. Gas is outrageous. People literally ran out of gas leaving LA before the storm hit because they didn't have money to fill up there vehicles. People are still stranded up and down Interstate 10. Donate what you can, and pray for the souls of the people lost in this mess.

-Hawdawg

Does anyone use Supercavs?

Does anyone use Supercavs?

Can I ask why?

Does anyone use Supercavs?

Kreynoria does.


-Hawdawg

Can I ask why?

Curious question. Don't worry they are MT so I won't tell you you can't use them. Just curious.

Curious question. Don't worry they are MT so I won't tell you you can't use them. Just curious.

It's okay. I thought that maybe they had something to do with New Orleans, because that's what we were talking about.

It's okay. I thought that maybe they had something to do with New Orleans, because that's what we were talking about.

Good lord no. I am talking to NG right now though. He's in Mobile, safe and sound, physically that is...

Good lord no. I am talking to NG right now though. He's in Mobile, safe and sound, physically that is...

That's good news. Tell him- if you haven't before- that he's in our thoughts.

From NG to all of us:

I made it out of New Orleans. But I won't ever get over it. There were old people in wheelchairs covered with blankets, dead, with notes still in their hands informing their next of kin that they loved them. Cops were being shot, my apartment was destroyed, I lost my computer with a year's worth of music on it. There were dead people floating down the streets, sewage everywhere, dead animals, explosions from gas lines underneath the streets, people crying everywhere, people collapsed because they couldn't get any water or food. Dead babies were wrapped in garbage bags, sometimes just dead in the street with their mothers crying over them. Armed rioters broke into a police department and shot every single cop. The air smelled like human excrement, rotting bodies of people and animals, trash, burning wood, dust from collapsed buildings. Saw a cop blindfolded and executed in the street. I had to beat around 15 - 20 people total with a lead pipe when they tried to steal my car and rape my girlfriend.

To put it in the most simple way I can: New Orleans was a vision of Hell, and I just witnessed what could be compared to a war. There is no exaggeration in that statement, but I wish there was. I consider myself lucky because I lived roughly 18 miles Northeast of where the levee broke, in the 9th ward (the worst and poorest ghetto in N.O.), and because I and my girlfriend are still alive. There's not much more I can say, because I still don't understand why congress and the senate never gave Louisiana the money it needed to build the levees stronger. President Bush has done nothing.

I made it back to Mobile where I'm staying at my girlfriend's parents' house, and physically I am ok, minus a few scrapes, cuts, and bruises. However, after I got out of N.O., I cried uncontrollably on and off for 2 days.

Perhaps because my family survived WW2 and the Cold War, I made it out alive, or maybe I was just simply blessed. In any case, I thank God that I and my girlfriend are alive and have what we need to live. I'm donating blood tomorrow for the people still in New Orleans. I hope they survive. Thousands of people didn't though, and still more won't.

Heard you guys were worried about me. I'm pretty shaken up, but I'm alright.

Sorry I haven't been active. I'll see what I can do about that so we can still have a good time. God knows I need a little distraction.

-- Heydrich

Heard you guys were worried about me. I'm pretty shaken up, but I'm alright.

Sorry I haven't been active. I'll see what I can do about that so we can still have a good time. God knows I need a little distraction.

-- Heydrich
Good to hear that you're alive and relatively well. You're in our prayers, along with all the others in New Orleans.

Good to hear from you NG. Unbelievable story of survival, I have been praying for all the souls in Katrinas path and will continue to do so.

-Hawdawg

Heard you guys were worried about me. I'm pretty shaken up, but I'm alright.

Sorry I haven't been active. I'll see what I can do about that so we can still have a good time. God knows I need a little distraction.

-- Heydrich

I don't think anyone is going to bitch about activity in the wake of what happened. Take your time man.

Heard you guys were worried about me. I'm pretty shaken up, but I'm alright.

Sorry I haven't been active. I'll see what I can do about that so we can still have a good time. God knows I need a little distraction.

-- Heydrich

Good to hear you and your girlfriend are safe. I'm glad you managed to make it out alright. All people affected by Katrina is in my thoughts and prayers.

Just out of interest, who wholds New Orleans/surrounding area, in E2?

(Good to see your alright NG.)

Just out of interest, who wholds New Orleans/surrounding area, in E2?

(Good to see your alright NG.)

RomeW has L.A. and I have Miss and Ala.

Shepard Smith is the best reporter ever. That is why the LNN's lead anchor is Shepard Smith. HOORAH!

Elephantum: Kurdistan thing added.

Cotland: Jan Mayen added.

TLS: Have Varsola confirm this:

Oh, and I hand over the Falklands, Maharasthra(excluding everything within I think about 10 miles of Mumbai), Everything south of the "5" on the map of the state of Chhattisgarh, and Orissa to Varsola. And we have joint-control of New Delhi.

FYI I am going through the RPs, what can I pull down?

Approved. Actually, we agreed over TG first.

~Vars'~

Thank God.

The verry second I heard of Katrina, I had NG rush right into my thoughts. I was so worried NG was killed or something ( although I had the never ending notion that NG was still alive ).

Man, I knew things were horrible but....I guess those stories you just told us never got out to the public yet. Atleast you didn't go to the Superdome, that is all I have to say. And I have a question....don't your parents live near the area of Alabama that was hit? I really hope not but I am sure you have told me that they do.....-_-...I hate being my age, because I would have volunteered at the Red Cross or the Salvation Army just to get my ass sent down there to do anything and everythnig I can do....

The best thing though is that your alive and your girl friend is too, but I know that you are never going to get over this...and what pisses me off the most is the gangs...they are just like the insurgents. A bunch of 'thugs' working together ( and in this case sort of against each other ) to cause hell in a already hellish area. There is no difference, and I hope there fucking asses know that once there getting there asses surrounded by National Guardsmen.

Not many people understand the full extent of it. New Orleans just doesn't exist anymore. It's been wiped off the map. Overnight, gas prices went up almost $1.00 and I expect them to climb further. This is far more than a simple flooded city. Hundreds of thousands of people are homeless, their city gone. Hell I doubt 4 months and it'll be ready to be moved back into. There's a lot of water to pump out, a lot of sewage to clean up, a lot of rebuilding to do. Its unfathomable.

Actually, America will no longer be recieving oil shipments because:

New Orleans was the only Port City that could harbor Oil Barges. As of now, it is impossible to bring Oil into America. My state will be recieving NO oil anymore untill we have a better way of getting it into America. Gas is over 3 dollars and 30 some cents and it will keep rising, it should hit 6 - 7 by this next weekend ( after the laberday weekend ) and then absolutely NO gas will be left in my state. The gas price signs are just going to say " EMPTY " or " NO GAS ".

And how do I know that my state isn't recieving any more gas?

My mom's sister-in-law is friends with the owner of all the U-Stops in Lincoln Nebraska, and there is this Gasoline " ring " that all these owners go to ever so often to speak about things. And there are NO scheduled oil shipments into my state, and that almost every state around my state is going to hit the same condition.

But hell, I'll walk around. Besides, I understand that the oil reserves are going to be used on the rescue operations and not rationed out to states, so yea. I'll wal around as long as I can just so the reserves are rationed out to the Gulf States that were hit. But that is untill people everywhere start rioting because there IS NO GAS in most of Continental US.....hurray...-_-

Actually, America will no longer be recieving oil shipments because:

New Orleans was the only Port City that could harbor Oil Barges. As of now, it is impossible to bring Oil into America. My state will be recieving NO oil anymore untill we have a better way of getting it into America. Gas is over 3 dollars and 30 some cents and it will keep rising, it should hit 6 - 7 by this next weekend ( after the laberday weekend ) and then absolutely NO gas will be left in my state. The gas price signs are just going to say " EMPTY " or " NO GAS ".

And how do I know that my state isn't recieving any more gas?

My mom's sister-in-law is friends with the owner of all the U-Stops in Lincoln Nebraska, and there is this Gasoline " ring " that all these owners go to ever so often to speak about things. And there are NO scheduled oil shipments into my state, and that almost every state around my state is going to hit the same condition.

But hell, I'll walk around. Besides, I understand that the oil reserves are going to be used on the rescue operations and not rationed out to states, so yea. I'll wal around as long as I can just so the reserves are rationed out to the Gulf States that were hit. But that is untill people everywhere start rioting because there IS NO GAS in most of Continental US.....hurray...-_-

Well no oil coming in is a little bit of an overstatement. Severly crippled is more like it. Yes, Lousiana was a major hub for refining and oil intake. But Texas City, Pasadena, Houston, Corpus Christi and Beaumont are all still online and running. Barring another accident at the BP plant in Texas City production of gasoline will still happen. The problem is no refineries have been built in the last 20 years. Who's fault is that?

Well both the Government and Business. Exxon and any of the big companies constantly "work" to milk as much from the system as possible. Often, with equipment that is in sore need of repair. IF something breaks they then address the issue of repair. BP, which runs the big Gas plant in Texas City has had two explosions within the last 3 months and all are from equipment that is in sore need of maintenance. Now a novice would say, build more plants. BUT with the EPA and every other Government Agency breathing down your neck what is the incentive for Big Oil to do this? The answer is none, so they keep the old plants, which are grandfathered not to meet new emission requirements and they roll the dice. Meanwhile the demand goes up, and they reap the windfalls. As a side note, Exxon made 4 billion last quarter and donated a paultry 2 million to the Red Cross yesterday.

I got way away from my orginal point so here it is in summary. Gas will still flow, shortages are a definite possibility, prices are on the rise with no relief in site based on our old supply and demand system, and we all suffer from it. It would have made since to clearly state Tuesday with all the infastructure damage that was seen, an emergency cap on price say $3.00 for at least 30 days until things calmed down again.

My two cents.

-Hawdawg

Well no oil coming in is a little bit of an overstatement. Severly crippled is more like it. Yes, Lousiana was a major hub for refining and oil intake. But Texas City, Pasadena, Houston, Corpus Christi and Beaumont are all still online and running. Barring another accident at the BP plant in Texas City production of gasoline will still happen. The problem is no refineries have been built in the last 20 years. Who's fault is that?

Well both the Government and Business. Exxon and any of the big companies constantly "work" to milk as much from the system as possible. Often, with equipment that is in sore need of repair. IF something breaks they then address the issue of repair. BP, which runs the big Gas plant in Texas City has had two explosions within the last 3 months and all are from equipment that is in sore need of maintenance. Now a novice would say, build more plants. BUT with the EPA and every other Government Agency breathing down your neck what is the incentive for Big Oil to do this? The answer is none, so they keep the old plants, which are grandfathered not to meet new emission requirements and they roll the dice. Meanwhile the demand goes up, and they reap the windfalls. As a side note, Exxon made 4 billion last quarter and donated a paultry 2 million to the Red Cross yesterday.

I got way away from my orginal point so here it is in summary. Gas will still flow, shortages are a definite possibility, prices are on the rise with no relief in site based on our old supply and demand system, and we all suffer from it. It would have made since to clearly state Tuesday with all the infastructure damage that was seen, an emergency cap on price say $3.00 for at least 30 days until things calmed down again.

My two cents.

-Hawdawg

I am all up for a $3.00 cap so these greedy SOBs don't swallow our wallets.

I am all up for a $3.00 cap so these greedy SOBs don't swallow our wallets.

Hell my wife drives everyday 45 miles to college one way. She is going to have to stay with relatives because we can't afford the gas. I work fulltime she goes to school fulltime. I know we aren't the only ones suffering. Crap we cut out eating out, extra frills and still can't cover the spiking costs. What the heck are we supposed to do? I have to drive to work, we don't have public transportation in rural texas. Or should I quit teaching and get a real job? I am truely depressed. I hope those greedy SOB's have plenty of suntan oil they are gonna need it were they are headed.


-Hawdawg

North Germania: I'm happy to know you're alive, and I'm sorry to hear all that is going on in New Orleans. I've heard some really terrible news lately and I just couldn't believe it- are people really that nuts?

Layarteb: Exactly. I keep on thinking this new oil crisis couldn't come at a worse time- right when school starts. Though I'm hopeful that eventually our leaders will come to their senses about this and provide some relief, because I'd hate to think what would happen if this got out of hand. Sooner or later all that unfathomable violence in New Orleans will force their hand.

(For those of you who don't know, us in Toronto are paying about $1.30 a liter for gas, with one station having a posted price of $1.99. This is seriously messed...)

On another front, I think there's someone else we have to blame for Katrina- that French official who thought it was a good idea to place a city in the Mississippi River. Everyone knew it would be a mistake, but we seemed to realize that when it's too late.

North Germania: I'm happy to know you're alive, and I'm sorry to hear all that is going on in New Orleans. I've heard some really terrible news lately and I just couldn't believe it- are people really that nuts?

Layarteb: Exactly. I keep on thinking this new oil crisis couldn't come at a worse time- right when school starts. Though I'm hopeful that eventually our leaders will come to their senses about this and provide some relief, because I'd hate to think what would happen if this got out of hand. Sooner or later all that unfathomable violence in New Orleans will force their hand.

(For those of you who don't know, us in Toronto are paying about $1.30 a liter for gas, with one station having a posted price of $1.99. This is seriously messed...)

On another front, I think there's someone else we have to blame for Katrina- that French official who thought it was a good idea to place a city in the Mississippi River. Everyone knew it would be a mistake, but we seemed to realize that when it's too late.

Wow Haw 45 miles each way? Deeply understood there man. I am thinking about a 2nd job on the 2 days I don't work just to afford gas! I don't even have an SUV, just a 93 Lumina. This is beyond ridiculous. I saw $3.89 for premium yesterday and I paid $3.58 for the regular. I figured I would fill from half just in case I went to a quarter and gas was suddenly $4.00+.

Europeans have been paying beyond these prices for a long time now and we sorta can and can't complain. Our complaint is that the prices surged in the past what 4 months? In four months gas prices have gone up nearly 200%. That is way too fast of a price jump. Greedy, rich tards must perish!!!

If you Americans are complaining, then what about us in Europe? The price per liter is around 2 USD here, and some quick math tells us that 1 gallon = roughly 4 litres, so about 8 USD for a gallon of gas here. Please, stop bitching. We Europeans are worse off than you are. No offense...

If you Americans are complaining, then what about us in Europe? The price per liter is around 2 USD here, and some quick math tells us that 1 gallon = roughly 4 litres, so about 8 USD for a gallon of gas here. Please, stop bitching. We Europeans are worse off than you are. No offense...

None taken Cotland, its the fact that the Oil Industry is taking advantage of a situation to line there pockets that has everyone up in arms. Price Gouging is immoral, unexceptable irrehensible behavior no matter what continent you live on. Our national government is not lifting a finger to look out for "the little guy" and all the time Big Oil exec's are laughing all the way to the bank.

So much for all that campaign retoric about compassion, etc. I feel duped, just like my illustrious crackheaded governor, and State Senate and House leaders, they live in glass houses and don't have a clue what common people need.

We need a common sense test for all politicians. IF they could pass it and weren't an attorney (most are) then they could serve. We also need a "bubba law" where a certain percentage of elected officials in National and State Office would have to have a High School Education only. The representation in our hallowed hauls of Congress and State houses don't truely reflect the population anymore.

It is a sad day when you call your local representative along with thousands of others voicing your opinion against something and that rep. votes the opposite of what the majority of the voters in the district are demanding. (She was voted one of the worst Reps by Texas Monthly Magazine, but will probably remain in office because of her party affiliation) We are having to resort to donating to PAC's that provide campaign contributions to these folks to have a voice. Thomas Jefferson is probably rolling over in his grave. The day peoples issues are only paid attention too if the donate X-number of dollars is here people.


One last parting shot on gas. My wife drives an '91 Isuzu Rodeo that is over 10 years old. I would love for her to have a more fuel efficient car, but I can't afford another car payment, especially on a teachers salary. I bought a new truck in 2001, I have to have a truck my job requires it. You can't haul sheep, cattle and farm animals in a Honda Pirus. The truck has a MPG rating of 15 city 18 highway. It has never gotten over 15 MPG. These MPG ratings have not been raised for large vehicles in long time. The previous truck I owned before my current one was "exempt" from the ratings because it was a 1 ton. It only got 17 MPG. The crazy thing about this the older vehicles I have driven actually got better mileage than the newer ones. Now I am not a rocket scientist, but it seems to me Car Manufactures need to increase the fuel economy of there Big vehicles too. They have the technology to do this, they won't UNTIL they are made to do this. Congress has not forced the issue BECAUSE of the political donations made on the auto industries behalf. Detroit will tell you it too expensive to do blah, blah, blah, but it CAN be done. I would pay an extra $2000 bucks for a truck that would get 25-30 MPG city. This is not too much to ask.


-Hawdawg

New RP. ATTN to people in the Atlantic...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=441962

Sorry folks, I'm leaving EII. Much obliged if my territory could be divided as follows:

Iran+Afghanistan go to Elephantum

Tibet goes to Marimaia

Nepal gost to TLS

Chechnya goes to Cotland

Central Asia goes to NG


I keep spitsbergen in case I return one day. I'm on reduced activity right now and for the forseeable future, and I can't RP - which means I'm just taking up land at the moment. I hope to be back someday.

The government of Zeeeland had broken under pressure of the war against New Jyria. Hans Bek had gone missing, presumed to be assassinated. The Kreynorian forces moved quickly into New Caledonia, French Polynesia, Namibia, Benin, Equatorial Guinea, Rwanda, Togo, Wallis and Futuna, and Niue. Since Zeeeland and Kreynoria had been close allies, most Zeeelanders were used to revolution and transition of governments, and were willing to accept Kreynorian rule. Those Zeeeland leaders who cooperated with the occupying Kreynorian forces were rewarded with governerships of the former Zeeeland territories. Most major resistance was quelled. A trap was laid for Jakob Smutsburg and the members of the ZRM, who might be trouble for the Kreynorians. They were invited to a meeting to discuss "appropriation of governorship" where they were massacred. Most major resistance was quelled within days, and a message was sent to the governments of New Jyria, Cotland, and the Irish Commonwealth requesting that they stand down their attacks.

On the Oil situation-Cotland, you probably do have it worse. After all, the biggest source of US oil is the US itself, followed by Mexico and Canada, IIRC. While imports from overseas may be stopped, at least 2/3 of the US oil is coming in. As most European countries dont produce nearly as big a portion of their demand as America does, they are more dependent on foriegn oil I believe.

Neuvo Rica-pity to see you go. As Im over my land limit as it is, I want to make sure Varsola gets my biggest Antactican section, and the second biggest is up for grabs (someone wanted to make it international land IIRC)

Iran will be made into its own Sultanate, as will Afghanistan. That will make me the 12 Sultantes of Elephantum. Now I have almost complete (as NG has Oman's Munsandam peninsula) control over the Persian/Arabian Gulf.

Well no oil coming in is a little bit of an overstatement. Severly crippled is more like it. Yes, Lousiana was a major hub for refining and oil intake. But Texas City, Pasadena, Houston, Corpus Christi and Beaumont are all still online and running. Barring another accident at the BP plant in Texas City production of gasoline will still happen. The problem is no refineries have been built in the last 20 years. Who's fault is that?

Well both the Government and Business. Exxon and any of the big companies constantly "work" to milk as much from the system as possible. Often, with equipment that is in sore need of repair. IF something breaks they then address the issue of repair. BP, which runs the big Gas plant in Texas City has had two explosions within the last 3 months and all are from equipment that is in sore need of maintenance. Now a novice would say, build more plants. BUT with the EPA and every other Government Agency breathing down your neck what is the incentive for Big Oil to do this? The answer is none, so they keep the old plants, which are grandfathered not to meet new emission requirements and they roll the dice. Meanwhile the demand goes up, and they reap the windfalls. As a side note, Exxon made 4 billion last quarter and donated a paultry 2 million to the Red Cross yesterday.

I got way away from my orginal point so here it is in summary. Gas will still flow, shortages are a definite possibility, prices are on the rise with no relief in site based on our old supply and demand system, and we all suffer from it. It would have made since to clearly state Tuesday with all the infastructure damage that was seen, an emergency cap on price say $3.00 for at least 30 days until things calmed down again.

My two cents.

-Hawdawg

I was talking about there will be NO shipments from OPEC or any other company overseas beacuse we CAN'T fit those barges anymore.

I wasn't saying no oil at all.

And yes I realize if we would replace the equipment/repair it then we would be alright, and I think it would be better to open up a few more refinerys...but of course a lot of people don't want to pollute too much.

Anyways, reading other posts.

I may have misunderstood at first Haw..sorry...

Anyways, yea my dad works in Beatrice ( a half hour drive from here ) and has to ride is frigging motrocycle now ( which we have no money to replace the front tire, so he is screwed if it starts raining ).

Also, what makes this suck even more is....if the prices are still high in October, me and my family are kinda screwed. I doubt it will be, I believe it will start going down just a 'tad' bit, but in October we have to go to a Wedding in Indiania ( we live in Nebraska ) and that is gonna cost a lot, not to mention we will have 3 cars going ( 1 = My uncle and his fiance, 1 = Me..my mom..my brother..my sister..and possibly my dad if my mom lets him come in the same car Note: my parents are divorced, 1 = My uncle and my aunt ). That is gonna cost quite a bit...

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Anyways, I don't think it matters if ANYONE bitches. Were all being ripped off, European and North American ( and the rest that drives a lot ) alike.

I would have suggested not driving for atleast one day if you were able too ( or not to buy gas that day ) because it would seriously cost oil companys over 5 Billion Dollars if the US it self did that. But now we all really need our Gas because...well if we don't try and fill up anytime soon, it is gonna sky rocket in costs when others do...

Gotta go for now...

Um, Layarteb, I have a question. I have a younger brother, whose nation is Neochristia, who wants to join. Would that be allowed, or would it be multiple accounts?

Nuevo Rica: OK, I accept Chechnya. But I wanted Spitzbergen too... :( ah well.

Elephantum: Well, considering the fact that we produce more than enough oil to supply ourselves, we should have low prices. The only trouble is only that the government take more than 80% of the price in taxes and fees. So if it hadn't been for then, we'd have dirt cheap gas. But we don't because of the government. Well, I'm hoping that we can vote in the party I'm leaning against come election day (12th of September), because they want to give us a flexible fee, so that the price of a liter gas never exceeds 8 NOK! Stem FrP!

Neuvo Rica: I confirm the transfer of Tibet. Sorry to see you go and I hope you return sometime soon.

As Tibet takes me over my land limit, I'm going to give Mongolia to the first person who asks for it.

I would have suggested not driving for atleast one day if you were able too ( or not to buy gas that day ) because it would seriously cost oil companys over 5 Billion Dollars if the US it self did that. But now we all really need our Gas because...well if we don't try and fill up anytime soon, it is gonna sky rocket in costs when others do

Like the blockades of British Oil Refineries a few years back, brought the system to a halt, no petrol for days:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/918798.stm

Can I have Mongolia then?

Cotland: RP added.

Nuevo Rica: Alright no problem man. Once everyone agrees they'll get them. Hope you come back man.

Iran+Afghanistan go to Elephantum OKAY

Tibet goes to Marimaia OKAY

Nepal gost to TLS

Chechnya goes to Cotland OKAY

Central Asia goes to NG

Varsola: Okay land transferred. At the moment, if you take Elephantum's largest section of Antarctica, you are over the limit. You are limited up to 2.05 million square miles, now it's like 2.11 million. See the spreadsheet.

Elephantum: Yeah if you dump the next largest Antartica land then you are under your limit but as of now you are over it. See the spreadsheet.

Kreynoria: It's only multiple accounts if it's you but since it is your brother it's fine.

Marimaia: Sir you have Tibet but the problem is that, unfortunately, you are at 4.365m and unfortunately 4.0 is the limit. But this begs me the question on whether or not I should give you guys your present for 1 year early? What do you all think?

Should I give you guys you're 1 year present early?

Ooh! A present! Me love presents!

Layarteb, could you add Zeeeland's lands to mine? I've occupied them as with the obligation of a friend saving his lands from Cotland and New Jyria. I made a short RP a few pages back.

Kreynoria']Layarteb, could you add Zeeeland's lands to mine? I've occupied them as with the obligation of a friend saving his lands from Cotland and New Jyria. I made a short RP a few pages back.

I can if he concurs.

Biggest Antarctica piece goes to Varsola if he will/can take it. Second biggest piece goes to the first claimant.

-Attention all nations-

In a 163-31 parliament vote, The United Federation of Pantheaa has declared three of its territories as a part of its land exchange program..

Bouvet Islands
Mauritius
Orenburg Oblast

The Federation is focusing on building its American Empire...away from the turmoil in Europe and West Asia. A vote is currently in motion to move the Federation capital to Mexico city

Nations that are willing to exchange for territories in South America and North America get first bets. The closer to Mexico the better. Territories that are rich in resources are also welcomed.

General Ivan Kerensky
President

I accept Central Asia.

Thanks, Neuvo Rica. Sorry that you'll be gone.

If anyone wants to get in touch with me (since I won't be on as much for a very long time) send email to LokutusBerzerk@aol.com

Oh, and yes, RomeW, people there are, sadly, that crazy.

-- K.

North Germania: "Sadly" I think is understatement. More like, "disgraceful". I'm happy you and your girlfriend made it out alive and intact.

Elephantum: Out of curiosity, what happened to the Antarctica bid? I seem to have lost track...

Hawdawg: I know that Congress today doesn't really represent America, but I don't think having a quota of high school diploma-only representatives would solve anything, because then you'd get people who don't understand the issues and propose even more boneheaded proposals than what we get now. The better idea would be to allow anyone to run for Congress regardless of education or wealth (if that isn't already established as a rule), because then you might get a few people who might do something about the poor.

Kreynoria']Can I have Mongolia then?

Indeed you can.

Mongolia goes to Kreynoria, thus bringing me back under my land allowance.

Lay, I like presents. Very very much. Any chance of telling me what it is before everyone else? Pretty please with sugar on top?

::Looks at the present::

If it's what I think it is.....

Yeah, we want presents... :)

One year, already?

Ooooh, Land? I accept!

On a side note, I see NG is fine, so that's good.

Ummmm...Layarteb? I said I gave Varsola everything in Maharasthra besides everything within that amount of miles of Mumbai. So he gets most of the State, and I get the city.

And on a side note; by NG being fine, I meant he didn't have his eyes gouged out or something like that. Seeing how I have seen territorist attacks with my own eyes, I have an idea of what it's like, just on a smaller scale and with more blood, grenades, and gore.

Kreynoria, would you like to sell me French Polynesia for five trillion? Please? I'll remove my troops from Zimbabwe and sign a NAP too...

The antarctica bid kind of got lost, and then when I started to get involved in the Poland situation, I completely lost it. I'll dig it up soon, and it'll go to the best bid most likely.

OOC:

WARNING: Long political rant concerning the American Government follows.

RomeW: I would actually say that "terrifyingly" would be a better adverb to describe the nature of the entire situation more accurately than the ones we've used thus far.

You also said this:
The better idea would be to allow anyone to run for Congress regardless of education or wealth (if that isn't already established as a rule), because then you might get a few people who might do something about the poor.

And I could not agree more. The rich folks in Congress and the Senate have no idea how to run this country. Want proof? Look at New Orleans. The entire situation could've been prevented if the city had received the funds for improving the levee system it had asked for, for a period of over a decade before Hurricane Katrina even formed.

As well, I'm hearing a lot of talk coming from the White House, Congress, and Senate about the senselessness of the looters and rioters.

When the looting FIRST began, there was a meaning and a purpose behind it, and that meaning was this: SURVIVAL. The looting started off with people taking necesseties, i.e. food, water, clothing, medicine, etc., which they did not have and needed to have to stay alive.

The situation only launched into an out-of-control, violent, rioting free-for-all when the people who had had NOTHING their entire lives began to seek something they never had: power and recognition.

That was why all the killing, unnecessary looting, rioting, and violence occured. Because man ultimately seeks power, and power above all else , is the real reason that the gangs and looters became so violent. Each "faction", if you will, was [and still is] vying for control of the city. While the notion seems outlandish, the opportunities to do so were [and again, still are] everywhere, and these people took their chance to be something other than a statistic.

While I am by no means excusing what they did, I am stating that the American Government should have a better understanding of its people, and what those people can and will do in a given situation. Because those in power saw New Orleans as a predominantly poor, dirty, and small city with little value, they never gave it the money it needed to, for example, strengthen the levee system to prevent what happened from happening.

On the broader swing of things, it was exactly because no one in power understood the needs of that city, which ultimately boiled down to the needs of its people, that they simply did not care. It took over half a week after the disaster first occured before any real relief arrived. That in itself is further proof that a lack of understanding leads to a lack of interest, which leads to a blatant lack of care as I think we have seen.

Why is it that thousands of people had to die [not very suddenly as was the case with the Twin Towers, but over a period of several days], the entire city had to collapse into anarchy, the Governor of Louisiana beg the rest of the country for help, and then after the attention of the entire United States was grabbed, did the American Government finally start helping?

The entire city has practically been destroyed, the death count will be at least three times as high as 9/11, thousands are dead, over a million are homeless, there are reports of typhoid, 25% of the nation's energy supply has been lost, etc. and Bush waited four days before that $10 billion was given to the city of New Orleans.

When 9/11 occured, NYC was practicaly given a blank check from the Federal Government. Why is this not the case for New Orleans? Because of who is affected, and what is affected.

I do not mean to down-play what happened to NYC and the WTC - on the contrary, the money and support they received was much deserved, and the support New York received from the rest of the states was also deserved. However, I do mean to say that in this case, no one in power really cared.

Sure, plenty of states have pledged their support, and for that I am grateful. Yes, thousands of people are raising funds for the city, and for that I am [i]even more grateful. But where was the American Government this time?

If I recall correctly, President Bush went on a hunting trip the day after Katrina hit New Orleans. George didn't exactly rush to get back to the White House to deal with his responsibilities, did he?

I'd like to cite a few things Bush said concerning New Orleans:

"I understand what the people of New Orleans are going through."

Really? I never knew Bush wandered streets flooded with garbage, human feces & urine, water, blood, dirt, chemicals, and bacteria looking for anything that could possibly save his life! I also never knew he had ever been shot at and witnessed people executed in the streets! This is news to me!

When asked about the citizens of New Orleans with no food, no clean water, no medicine, no shoes, and no homes, Bush answered with this statement:

"There should be a policy of zero tolerance for looting in New Orleans."

He... understands?... I have been told he understands.

When asked how the situation in New Orleans is being handled, he replied [I'll paraphrase]:

"I have activated reserve oil supplies, the National Guard is being sent in to deal with the looters, and overall I think the situation in New Orleans is being handled excellently."

Now, I may have gone off on a tangent here and gone off of the subject about Congress, but what exactly DOES the American Government understand about its people? and more importantly, does the American Government even CARE unless it suits their best interests?

FRANCE offered medical assistance very quickly, before any real relief from the AMERICAN GOVERNMENT was given, and Bush turned it down. Why?

Venezuela, Nicaragua, Oman, and Germany [to name a few] have also pledged their support and offered help. But it looks like President Bush has things under control and we well-off, well-taken-care-of, well-understood people of New Orleans don't need any foreign assistance.

...right?

Now, I know I made a huge deal to support your opinion there, Rome, but I think it's important that people [especially Americans] realize a few very, very fatal flaws about the American Government and how those flaws affect the people. You might not ever see it coming, just like New Orleans didn't.

I'd like to finish this little rant of mine with a question that I would like you all to consider:

Why was this disaster, a good deal more severe and devastating, handled less carefully, less urgently, and in general less seriously by the American Government than the 9/11 attacks were?

Off topic: Sorry if I irritated any one, but damnit, this is something that has needed to be brought into the light for a LONG time.

Before anyone has any misconceptions, I'm not saying, nor implying, that the WTC attack on 9/11 deserved any less support and recognition than it did. It was just as horrible as what is happening in New Orleans, except for one point:

The 9/11 attacks did not damage an American city to the degree that the situation in New Orleans has. By no means am I saying the attacks on New York are any less horrible than they were the minute they occured, I am saying, and only saying, that the disaster in N.O. should be, and should have been, handled with the same urgency, care, and seriousness that the attack on the World Trade Center received.

Off topic again, and just because I'm curious...

The Lightning Star: Which terrorist attack[s] might you be speaking of?

-- Kübler

NG, I fully agree with what you say, the only reason I can offer as to why 11th September had more urgency about it is because Bush was scared about that, and there was a very real possibility it could happen again in the near future, put it this way, what are the chances of a Katrina happening again while he is in power?

Also, Lay, the Celtayoshi Struggles to Maintain Order thread is finished (a little bit of an unsatisfactory end, so I will probably have to write an ending post at some point, but you can remove it from the threads list)

To make things short and simple:

It is Louisianna's State Government's fault, not the Federal Government.

Nebraska ( where I live ) had the same problem in '92 ( of course I was 2 years old, my parents and there friend remember clearly ) when Snow would melt in South Dakota and come all the way down into Nebraska. I mean, it looked like an effing ocean for most parts of Nebraska. But the Capital city ( Lincoln, where I live ) was fine but our drainage sucked. The Nebraskan Government never mentioned it to the Federal Government untill it got bad and so the Federal Government ( AFTER being told by the Nebraskan State Government, remember the point is the Federal Gov can't do anything untill the state Gov asks ) built newer drainage systems and all of that water was added to our already biggest underground water supply on the Earth ( no lies there ).

Really with Louisianna, you need to blame everyone.

First off, the stupid fuck who said to the French Parliament " Hey guys, lets build a city under fucking sea level. Sound good? "

Second off, the stupid fuck who runs Louisianna and the mayor ( whom isn't really a stupid fuck ) of New Orleans for not warning the people of New Orleans in time. It is like...oh yea, lets wait untill some hours before...that'll do the job.

Third off, the stupid fucks who lived in the quarters RIGHT next to the Levees who should have known that they are fucked if they don't evacuate.

and Fourth off, the stupid fucks who run the nation for not sending aid RIGHT AWAY.

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That is all, it is no one person's fault...it is a lot of people's fault, but blaiming the Federal Government isn't going to win you a nobel prize.

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ooo present....Pyschotika turns one in November...^_^

And Also:

Don't think I was saying Bush was perfect.

And a lot of people fucking say they understand as in they send condolences, don't take it quite literall.

And no, Louisianna NEVER sent any message about needing money for the Levee systems before this had happened.

Really, I am just going to say it again:

There reall is no fucking point in blaming the Federal Government.

Something verry fucking horrible happened sought out by the wrath of Mother Nature, and the side effects are turning out to be even worst.

And if you continue to blame the Federal Government, then I may as well blame the fucking Mayor of New Orleans.

Who the FLYING FUCK issues a evacuation RIGHT WHEN THE FUCKING STORM IS ABOUT TO HIT YOU!?

So, if you truely want to blame ANYONE then you should just blame OUR FUCKING SAD HUMAN EXISTANCE as a hole.

Pyschotika, the people who are left behind are poor, they cannot afford to leave, how could they, and where would they go. This is a failure of the American government for not helping to evacuate everyone, for not sending aid, and for not building strong enough defences. Edit If Holland can afford sea defences, America can afford levees.

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Psy, calm the heck down. Nobody said that only Bush was to blame. The governor and the other folks are also to blame. Calm down. No need to attract the mods....

*puts on black suit and sunglasses*

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Uhm, wow bad hair day Pysc.

Fact: We have too many evacuees to worry about, so do all the finger pointing six, eight, ten months from now.

Fact: Stress causes lots of people to do some strange things. If I was in the situation the Mayor, and Governor were in I would have lost it at some point myself.

Fact: I sat in church today and watched my pastor cry over this incident. I am a big man and i caught myself tearing up several times today. The entire pew behind me was full of New Orleans residents whom are calling our community home now. The stories they tell are unfathomable.

Fact: If you want to do something to help donate to the American Red Cross, the Salvation Army, etc. If you don't have things or cash to give give the gift of life "blood" is always appreciated and can/will be used.

Fact: The president went to San Diego for a fundraising trip before he went to Louisiana. The pics and travel itenerary don't lie. Right or wrong it was done. Now I know he probably thought things were well at hand, but situations like these are always fluid and the SITREP went south the farther into the week we got. He will have mud on his rep for that is not necessarily his fault. His subordinates that dropped the ball would need to seek other employment after this action if I were the boss.

Fact: All agencies share the blame of some failures. The State Police told people not to bring boats to New Orleans Monday to help. They called for people to bring boats on Tuesday to help. FEMA was turning down help offered from other states. We are a nation of givers and I say anything offered take it, especially in a time of need.


I will sign off now after this, I am going back to town to take clothes, blankets, sheets, and some air matresses to the shelter at our church, I will probably help cook dinner tonight for these folks. Monday I will go help all the kids from LA get ready for school on Tuesday. We have a group of men that left today with a tractor and chainsaws on there way to New Orleans to setup a feeding station and help clear roadways. I may be headed there myself for a week long trip to assist if my school will let me off. We have 90 people that are going to be staying as our guests for quite awhile and us Texans will do everything in our power to make them as welcome as possible.

I think everyone needs to step back thank god they are the lucky ones and do whatever is humanly possible to assist.

-Hawdawg

I can if he concurs.


He's D12

Actually, I just like saying fuck in the morning....

Yea Haw I know.

I can't do much at the age of 15, but I did do some math last night which caused me to donate a little.

After the Nebraska vs Maine game, I donated one dollar...and I know that isn't much but it means a lot I think, it is comming from my thoughts and heart. And the math I was talking about was this: Over 26 thousand people attended the game, if everyone donated atleast one dollar, then that would be over 26 thousand dollars. I did have more money but I have to keep it on me for now, and if I were 18 then I would volunteer my self to the Army/Red Cross/Salvation Army to be sent down there to help with pick up and rescue. My school ( undoubtedly ) will have red cross people there, and ( undoubtedly ) I will be donating blood this year ( I didn't last year because I had no time during school and had to go right away ).

And yea, I think everyone is to be blamed equally. I got defensive for Bush because...hell...I hate it when the leader has to be blamed for something. And about the fundraiser, have you noticed what it was for and that perhaps he has had it planned for months? You want to keep your word as President to appear at certain locations at certain times that you have promissed to show up at.

He also picked a verry sucky time to run for Presidency lol....but oh well.

I just can't help but think about all of the shit that will be marked by his name in the footnotes of history after some 10 - 20 years.

But yea, this all sucks and I truely do wish I could do something more then one dollar...

Kreynoria, would you like to sell me French Polynesia for five trillion? Please? I'll remove my troops from Zimbabwe and sign a NAP too...


I'm sorry, but I can't and will not agree. Here is my reasoning.

1. It doesn't matter to me whether you pull out of Zimbabwe or not. It is not a former Zeeeland territory, but a territory of New Jyria, and any Zeeeland forces still fighting there are rogue ones that have not submitted to my rule.

2. French Polynesia was for a long time the capital of Zeeeland and its major center of culture. Selling it would be to dishonour Zeeeland's memory and a betrayal of the Zeeeland people, who we were basically delivering from the wrath of you, New Jyria, and Pelep (or so my propaganda goes).

3. You are part of the Coalition in the Polish war and I support the Alliance, hence I would hardly like to give you a base of operations in the South Pacific.

I will be donating blood this year ( I didn't last year because I had no time during school and had to go right away ).

In my school the Blood Transgusion service comes to you, during classtime and takes your blood. You even get free biscuits :) (Its not done in class, they have a mobile treatment room)

Kreynoria']I'm sorry, but I can't and will not agree. Here is my reasoning.

1. It doesn't matter to me whether you pull out of Zimbabwe or not. It is not a former Zeeeland territory, but a territory of New Jyria, and any Zeeeland forces still fighting there are rogue ones that have not submitted to my rule.

2. French Polynesia was for a long time the capital of Zeeeland and its major center of culture. Selling it would be to dishonour Zeeeland's memory and a betrayal of the Zeeeland people, who we were basically delivering from the wrath of you, New Jyria, and Pelep (or so my propaganda goes).

3. You are part of the Coalition in the Polish war and I support the Alliance, hence I would hardly like to give you a base of operations in the South Pacific.
Alright, but I think that you should hear my reasoning for wanting it.

1. OK, fair enough. But still. I could just as easily send in my troops and overrun your hold. I prefer not to.

2. Zeeeland bought French Polynesia from me, and he never used it as his capital (prove me wrong on that one). I also have propaganda, which tells of the Zeeelandish occupants over the islands in French Polynesia and the people that originally are Cottish. My people want to see blood to get them back under Cottish reign.

3. There might not be a war over Poland. Check the Jechsaeha (gah!) thread. Hence, that argument don't work.

4. I still have a powerful naval presence in the Pacific, and I could just do some island hopping with my Marines and navy. Got some nice new gun cruisers that I want to test out too...

The conclusion is: I can send in my navy and Marines and take it by force, but it will be cheaper for the both of us if you would just accept the cash and NAP. Simple logic, eh?

I would like to transfer the territories of Arkhangelsk and Franz Josef Land to the nation of Bjornoya, who wish to join Earth II. He'll confirm here when he logs on.

Lay, I'm vouching for this guy. NG, you know him as Baltzer from WW2.

UPDATE:

Just got back from the Shelter, we are trying to do everything for those people we can. A group of construction workers and men of the church are going to build a portable set of showers tomorrow so the good folks from New Orleans have another place to shower. We have been taking them to the local school athletic facilities to use the multiple showers there for now. I think our crew can build the building in one day. We have gathered up all the material all of which was donated by local businesses and we will start at 7am with the project. I was off anyway tomorrow and couldn't think of a better thing to do than something for these folks. We have been told we won't have anymore folks coming to our county for now. But we have over 850 registered evacuees in the county and another untold amount that we are taking care of.

I won't be on much this week it looks like my assistance is needed elsewhere for a much bigger cause.

I realize that most people in this realm of make-believe are young and underage. This still doesn't keep you from doing what you can. Every dollar sent to the Red Cross turns into three dollars worth of supplies. It is our responsibility as decent human beings to assist in anyway we can.

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Pysch: it is understandable to be upset that the President is blamed for inaction, inadequacies, etc. but just like in the real world the top boss is where the buck stops. Eisenhower had two letters written for the DDay invasion of France, luckily we didn't have to hear the other version he had penned.

I am painfully aware of how scheduling and what duties a leader must perform. He had a full itnerary 9/11 but he was wisked away to Air Force I and promptly escorted back to Washington. He then travelled to New York ASAP and stood upon the rubble and said we will rebuild. By not performing the same acts in the same time frame he gives off the unintentional idea that he doesn't care as much for New Orleans as New York and I think he does care about people it just didn't come off that way last week.

I think we all need to understand NG was in New Orleans and has a unique perspective on this situation. We are only seeing the devastation through the filter of a camera lense and the words inked on paper. Unless you have been in a combat situation or a cataclismic catestrophe like what we have witnessed we really should soak up the points he has made, learn from them and make sure this type of thing never happens again period.


Cotland: Feel free to use bases in Fiji, Papua New Guinea for exercises if needed.

BTW: I have been through a hurricane before and have a deep appreciation for the damage and destruction it causes. It was much smaller than this one and still we had major issues for two weeks 60 miles inland. Galveston was in bad shape. Hurricane Alicia was her name.

I would like to transfer the territories of Arkhangelsk and Franz Josef Land to the nation of Bjornoya, who wish to join Earth II. He'll confirm here when he logs on.

Lay, I'm vouching for this guy. NG, you know him as Baltzer from WW2.

I humbly and gratefully accept your offer Cotland. My people and I are in your debt.

(I'm new to this RP, give me some time and I'll get a hang of it, promise)

Im not sure if this is true or part of the massive amounts of rumors in the media now, but I've heard that either the city or state had elections on whether or not to improve the levees, I'd assume a tax hike would be involved, and it was rejected, possibly more than once. Can anyone confirm or deny that?

Alright, but I think that you should hear my reasoning for wanting it.

1. OK, fair enough. But still. I could just as easily send in my troops and overrun your hold. I prefer not to.

2. Zeeeland bought French Polynesia from me, and he never used it as his capital (prove me wrong on that one). I also have propaganda, which tells of the Zeeelandish occupants over the islands in French Polynesia and the people that originally are Cottish. My people want to see blood to get them back under Cottish reign.

3. There might not be a war over Poland. Check the Jechsaeha (gah!) thread. Hence, that argument don't work.

4. I still have a powerful naval presence in the Pacific, and I could just do some island hopping with my Marines and navy. Got some nice new gun cruisers that I want to test out too...

The conclusion is: I can send in my navy and Marines and take it by force, but it will be cheaper for the both of us if you would just accept the cash and NAP. Simple logic, eh?


Cotland and Kreynoria have never been the best of friends. We had issues with each other over your war with Huahin and over Poland. Trusting my word, the "Rise of Pacifinesia" RP took place in Tahiti, which was thoroughly Zeeelandish without Cotts screaming for independence, and was Zeeeland's capital while he was "The Maritime Republic" until the conquest of Namibia, when his capital became Windhoek when Hans Bek took power. I would also prefer that my new African holdings not be invaded, but, worst coming to worst, we are prepared to defend them. I have some nice custom dreadnoughts that could use some trials. Point being, we don't wish to sell French Polynesia to you and don't think a war over a refusal of business is justified. Zeeeland might have capitulated and given you Ascension and St. Helena, but we are more possesive of our territory, specifically our Pacific terrritory. You would be welcome to make offers for my African lands, but the Pacific shall not be given away. In short, we are not selling to you, and would not like a war, but we are prepared to fight you if you invade, and are confident of international support should you attack.

Marimaia, you can't transfer Mongolia to me. It would be putting me over my land-population limit with Zeee's land.

Kreynoria']Marimaia, you can't transfer Mongolia to me. It would be putting me over my land-population limit with Zeee's land.

Okay then......

Looks like it's still on offer.

ALRIGHT HERE IS THE PRESENT

IF YOU ARE OVER 4.0 BILLION PEOPLE YOU CAN HAVE 5.0 MILLION SQUARE MILES. THE NEW CEILING CAP WILL BE 5.0 MILLION SQUARE MILES AND NOT 4.0 MILLION SQUARE MILES.

:: YES YOU WILL GET SOMETHING ELSE ON 1 YEAR BUT I HAVE TO THINK OF SOMETHING ::

Wahoo!

Mongolia is subsequently removed from the market!

Thank you Lay :)

This is also my 1,000th post; never thought I'd get here.

Wahoo!

Mongolia is subsequently removed from the market!

Thank you Lay :)

This is also my 1,000th post; never thought I'd get here.

Congrats! I never thought I'd get to 5k and I don't think I'll ever reach 10k. It's fun reading the forum titles on the way.

What lands ARENT taken?

What lands ARENT taken?

Everything that you want is taken.

Damn, I am sooo close to 4 billion, come on my precious citizens, pregnant people are happy people...probably...

Damn, I am sooo close to 4 billion, come on my precious citizens, pregnant people are happy people...probably...

just kidnap and naturalize a bunch of people from somewhere else. ;)

Nuevo Rica: All land transfered out except Faroe Islands.

North Germania: You are set with Central Asia. Check the addition to the land population matrix and your area. You are green for now but close to the new ceiling.

TLS: Mashrawhatever it is fixed. Read it right, didn't draw it right.

Celt: RP removed.

NG: No you are right, 911 was instant "Oh shit" and New Orleans took more. N.O. was far worse of a disaster than ours was, NY still existed the next day. There was help there during the storm, helicopters were there the next day, the FEMA convoy arrived 4 days after. I think the convoy should have gotten there after 2 days to be honest. All of those vehicles were a lot to assemble in such a short time. N.O. was fine until the levee's broke, that's why I think it took more, because it took the storm without a problem, then the levee's broke and that was the end of the story. Under Carter, Clinton, and Dubya, the funding for the Army Corps of Engineers has been cut, although they say that it is not to blame for the levee's and they say that they were not poorly maintained or underfunded so, they are not blaming that when they are being blamed, kind of believable. Since 1920, the decision on the levee's were to make them able to withstand Cat 3 (cost-benefit analysis there). According to the evac plans, buses are to be used. There is a pic of a 100 or more school buses flooded. Where was the mayor on THAT one? I blame the mayor more than Bush on the evac. Help came, fast but not fast enough. All of the international aide is being accepted, don't worry about that. Kuwait and Oman both pledged over $100M so that should be arriving eventually. Venezuela and the EU are sending us oil too. Honestly, I think the explanation for the slower reaction of the gov't to this was that they just expected everything to be fine after the storm hit except for wind damage, I don't think they envisioned the levee's breaking. And when Bush commented on the "zero tolerance" he was commenting after the "survival" looting passed so I can't dog him for that. But you are right though, where was everyone...

Psychotika has a point too. The US is decentralized. The Louisana State Government and any state government are allowed to do their own thing until they either ask for Federal Help or before it is shown that they cannot do their own job. They were hasty to ask for Federal Help and I would blame them more than the Federal Level.

Psychotika: Dude you have to remember this. 24 hours after the storm hit Florida it was a category 5. 24 hours later it hit. There just wasn't enough time to get everyone out and the people that didn't get out either couldn't or didn't want to. Who was left? Old ladies who have ridden every storm since 1930 and are stubborn and black people. Everyone else left. A lot of the city evac'd when the order was given. Some couldn't because they couldn't afford to, some refused, and some saw it as an opportunity to loot and do all the shit that they did. They did the right thing by opening the Superdome for people who couldn't get out. It was an opportunity and the safest place to be, per say. Yes it flooded a little but it was safe from the storm. People refused to even go there.

Kreynoria: When did I declare Zeee D12? I don't recall doing that. Come to think of it I know I haven't seen him around much lately but he has contributed in the past. D12 is for people that don't do jack and just take up land. He is 21-day inactive though, unless he asked to be put on D13, which I don't recall but I can look. Anyhow, show me the RP you took his land. If you are talking about that little post you did a few days ago then you need more than that. We have to see an actual RP.

Bjornoya: Welcome. Just familiarize yourself with the E2 rules and the guys'll help you out with getting used to it, they're a good bunch.

Celtayoshi: Are you within 100 million people of 4.0 billion? If you are, you should read the whole decree.

I just want to say this about New Orleans and Katrina. What we saw was true human nature there. We saw that humans, when put in an anarchal situation will not sit down and play nice nice. Some will, many won't. To issue that all humanity is going to sit down and place nice-nice is very bad. Humanity is a vile, evil, and bruttish race of beings and to quote Mr. Machiavelli, "Whoever desires to found a state and give it laws, must start with assuming that all men are bad and ever ready to display their vicious nature, whenever they may find occassion for it." US officials, unfortunately, do not see humanity as such and think everyone is a good person deep down inside. That was why nobody expected the looting like they saw, why the National Guard wasn't immediately sent.

Kreynoria:[/b] When did I declare Zeee D12? I don't recall doing that. Come to think of it I know I haven't seen him around much lately but he has contributed in the past. D12 is for people that don't do jack and just take up land. He is 21-day inactive though, unless he asked to be put on D13, which I don't recall but I can look. Anyhow, show me the RP you took his land. If you are talking about that little post you did a few days ago then you need more than that. We have to see an actual RP.


With that in mind, I claim French Polynesia. Here's my RP.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442473

Krey, wanna fight over it?

Sorry to bother, one quick question. I'm assuming my nation's population is independent from what the "My Nation" screen shows. I've seen my territorial claims, but I am confused how to calculate my nation's population from that. I've read the charter (under 50k sq. mi.= population not important, 50k to 500k sq. mi. = population of minimally 101m), but do not know where I find the square kilometers of the Bjornian territories. Am I going about this the right way?

Sorry to bother, one quick question. I'm assuming my nation's population is independent from what the "My Nation" screen shows. I've seen my territorial claims, but I am confused how to calculate my nation's population from that. I've read the charter (under 50k sq. mi.= population not important, 50k to 500k sq. mi. = population of minimally 101m), but do not know where I find the square kilometers of the Bjornian territories. Am I going about this the right way?

The population of your actual nation determines your matrix slot. You have a population of like what 18 million maybe? That means you are not 101m and so you have to be under 50,000 square km when you claim.

I weeded out the RPs. Any alliance that does not declare itself active by Friday, September 9 will be stricken from the list as well. It's time for Fall cleaning. I posted in all alliance threads so there is no telling me you didn't see a warning. Now I just hope the mods don't consider it spamming. :confused:

The population of your actual nation determines your matrix slot. You have a population of like what 18 million maybe? That means you are not 101m and so you have to be under 50,000 square km when you claim.

My actual nation has a population of 119 million (started a while back)
So how this works is your actual population determines how much land you may control, correct?

NEW THREAD!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442488

The Son of Heaven Rises - the creation of the Greater Chinese Empire.

My actual nation has a population of 119 million (started a while back)
So how this works is your actual population determines how much land you may control, correct?

Yes. Sorry thought you were newer so yeah you can go up to 550,000 square miles so.

If you guys have had the chance or have the chance to listen to Bill O'Reilly's Talking Points Memo for today, Monday, September 5th, listen to it. He says a lot about what's going on with Louisana. Basically he puts blame where I have, with the governor who never called in help, the mayor for failing to get the buses ready and the pumps failing, and has said Bush could have reacted 24 hours sooner. I said 48 but I am no expert. He also mentioned the whole thing about the history of the levee system and then railed all these people who are crying the "race" issue. It was pretty well put.

He also went into a little thing about the new Homeland Security deputy being incapable of what is going on. I never got there but I don't know enough about that area of the situation but from what he says it seems to fit.

Would it be all right for me to have already officially laid claim to Zeee's territory, but not yet completed the subjugation in some territories?

Lay he never declared himself D13 he just left. Period. We waited two weeks for him in his Zimbabwe RP and he never came back.

Kreynoria']Lay he never declared himself D13 he just left. Period. We waited two weeks for him in his Zimbabwe RP and he never came back.

I don't see any "leaving" remark here so I can't confirm it yet. You may lay claim but you have to do an RP. In the past we've allowed people to make a claim and do the RP a little later (i.e. claim at school and RP at home). Usually it hasn't gone past 24 hours.

Lay, this is re the NPTO Alliance. I've TGed the remaining members and we''ve yet to decide whether to keep it active. I'll post here when we do. Just letting you know someone's noticed you post.

Celtayoshi is to annex Benin and Togo (Zeeland territories) RP will follow, I am just going to write it now.

Marimaia, would you be interested in selling Nigeria to me?

Lay, this is re the NPTO Alliance. I've TGed the remaining members and we''ve yet to decide whether to keep it active. I'll post here when we do. Just letting you know someone's noticed you post.

Thanks.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442616
Operation African Bloom

"Ground Zero for the hate-Bush movement is the New York Times Company. There's no question the Bush administration was slow in getting relief to the hurricane zone, but the personal attacks by the New York Times Company, which includes the Boston Globe, are beyond the pale. Far left Globe columnist James Carroll wrote of the President's "whining self-obsession." Far left Times columnist Bob Herbert accused the President of "staggering indifference to human suffering." Far left Times columnist Paul Krugman claimed the administration has an "ideological hostility to the very idea of using government to serve the public good." What these Bush-haters are saying is that the President doesn't care if people suffer and die. That's beyond ridiculous. The truth is this: Governor Blanco of Louisiana did not have a disaster plan in place, did not have enough state police and National Guard, and did not push for federal help soon enough. President Bush was 24 hours too slow in reacting to the disaster and the head of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff seemed clueless for days. In another area, it didn't take long before the race hustlers hit the ground. Rapper Kanye West asserted that "George Bush doesn't care about black people." It doesn't get more irresponsible than that. But what do you expect from an ideologically driven newspaper and the world of rap where anything goes? Talking Points wants to reinforce two things. First, a huge bureaucratic government will never be able to protect you. Second, this is not about race, it's about class. If you're poor, you're powerless. The aftermath of Hurricane Katrina should be taught in every American school - if you don't get educated, if you don't develop a skill, you'll most likely to be poor. And sooner or later you'll be standing on a symbolic rooftop waiting for help. Chances are that help will not be quick in coming."

That is some of the Talking Points Memo from O'Reilly last night. I highlighted some of it. I hope to see what more investigation will turn up.

"The aftermath of Hurricane Katrina should be taught in every American school - if you don't get educated, if you don't develop a skill, you'll most likely to be poor. And sooner or later you'll be standing on a symbolic rooftop waiting for help. Chances are that help will not be quick in coming."

So many things I could argue with, but I'll pick this. What exactly would that leason be like? "If you're poor, you'll get hit by a hurricane?" This message almost sounds like what happened to the people of New Orleans was deserved. Or perhaps the right-wing wants to finally be up front with the people? "If you don't develop a skill that will provide labor and profit for the community, then you are evil, and no-one will help you." Why then in American society are artists, say musicians or actors, held in so much higher esteem then farmers? Is this what I'm suppose to learn from Katrina? Of course the wealthy will have a better chance of avoiding death in these disasters, but to maintain the ridiculous stance that all wealthy people deserve their wealth, let alone deserve to get help over others is simply wrong. If I'm poor I'm powerless? Does that mean my vote doesn't count as much as other people's? Is this what O'Reilly wants to tell our youth, that democracy is dead?

It is truly saddening that the leason O'Reilly learned from Katrina only underlines his own political ideaologies, there are much more important things to be learned from this.

So many things I could argue with, but I'll pick this. What exactly would that leason be like? "If you're poor, you'll get hit by a hurricane?" This message almost sounds like what happened to the people of New Orleans was deserved. Or perhaps the right-wing wants to finally be up front with the people? "If you don't develop a skill that will provide labor and profit for the community, then you are evil, and no-one will help you." Why then in American society are artists, say musicians or actors, held in so much higher esteem then farmers? Is this what I'm suppose to learn from Katrina? Of course the wealthy will have a better chance of avoiding death in these disasters, but to maintain the ridiculous stance that all wealthy people deserve their wealth, let alone deserve to get help over others is simply wrong. If I'm poor I'm powerless? Does that mean my vote doesn't count as much as other people's? Is this what O'Reilly wants to tell our youth, that democracy is dead?

It is truly saddening that the leason O'Reilly learned from Katrina only underlines his own political ideaologies, there are much more important things to be learned from this.

O'Reilly's context with that is basically saying that to learn from this. Those that were too poor to evacuate got hit the hardest, those who were too stupid to evacuate got hit the hardest. O'Reilly is basically saying, get an education so that you can get out, so that you know to get out. He did come off rather pompous with it, I will admit but he has a point. A lot of people just couldn't afford to get out and many refused because of whatever reason.

Alright, that makes a bit more sense, but still seems a bit like social Darwinism.
It is much harder to debate talking than writing, so I'll give him that, many times say what you don't mean.

"Get an education so you can get out." I wish it was always like that.

Alright, that makes a bit more sense, but still seems a bit like social Darwinism.
It is much harder to debate talking than writing, so I'll give him that, many times say what you don't mean.

It is social Darwinism. You hit the nail on the head there. O'Reilly is definitely a social Darwinist, as many conservatives are.

Okay then......

Looks like it's still on offer.

If it is still up, I'll take it. I am WAY under my limit...

If you guys have had the chance or have the chance to listen to Bill O'Reilly's Talking Points Memo for today, Monday, September 5th, listen to it. He says a lot about what's going on with Louisana. Basically he puts blame where I have, with the governor who never called in help, the mayor for failing to get the buses ready and the pumps failing, and has said Bush could have reacted 24 hours sooner. I said 48 but I am no expert. He also mentioned the whole thing about the history of the levee system and then railed all these people who are crying the "race" issue. It was pretty well put.

He also went into a little thing about the new Homeland Security deputy being incapable of what is going on. I never got there but I don't know enough about that area of the situation but from what he says it seems to fit.

There that was the point I was trying to get too...it was just mumbled through some anger...

Like I did say though, if you want to blame anyone...blame almost everyone.

I'm going to have to dispute Kreynoria's claim of Zeeeland's territory as currently New Jyria, Cotland, and myself are at war with Zeeeland and Kreynoria. If anybody's going to be claiming anything it'd be one of us, as we already have troops in position to invade Zeeeland.

Kreynoria, I don't recognize the validity of your claim.

Neither do I.

Of course, I have no problem if you want to start a war over it, heck I'm disappointed I haven't been able to go all out against Zeeeland, him being absent and all.

Alright, alright, I don't want a fight with two multi-billion population countries, but I am at war with Cotland over Zeee's Pacific territories (Niue, French Polynesia, and New Caledonia)

As much as I hate O'Reilly, I would have to agree with him. The left wing in this nation is just getting pathetic with the finger pointing. In fact I listen to a professor on Hannity and Colmes argue that the looters stealing TV's was justified because in his own words "Bush is looting Iraq". So I guess we can break into the nearest mom and pop shop and starting looting....who cares if the store owners go bankrupt...bush is bankrupting Iraq, so I can shoot, steal and kill also! correct?

Of course this man had no plans about defending looters in NO. His original plan was to brainwash. He had a plan and a agenda even before he went on th air. And stupid Fox news was dumb enough to give air time to exercise his propaganda

I don't even know way the libs are upset with the Rehnquist death...he was a conservative, and is going to replace by a conservative. O’Connor who wants to step down is also a conservative. Its not like their losing a liberal on the bench. In fact, till a new chief justice is declared Stevens is the most senior member of the bench, meaning that he is in charge of the court. Stevens being a liberal


But the leftist shouldn't worry. Soon Bush and Company will be out of office and then they'll get a chance to screw up the country

Lay, the NPTO is active as of right now. However, there are events in motion which may cause it to collapse, which I find to be a good, IC reason to declare it inactive, so leave us on the list for now, and I'll keep you posted.

Concerning the Roman Confederacy:

Well, as far as I can tell, it's still active. I'm just not sure who's left... :(

If it is still up, I'll take it. I am WAY under my limit...

Nope, two posts under that you'll see my retraction of it.

Kreynoria']Alright, alright, I don't want a fight with two multi-billion population countries, but I am at war with Cotland over Zeee's Pacific territories (Niue, French Polynesia, and New Caledonia)

I side with Kreynoria.

Concerning the Roman Confederacy:

Well, as far as I can tell, it's still active. I'm just not sure who's left...


Romen Confederacy is as good as dead. It wasn't really much of an alliance but an excuse halt imperalistic powers from invading each other so that they can focus on invading the small and weak.

the confederacy hasn't even voted for a chairman in years and no motions have been brought to the council in a long time

And this comes from someone who was once a loyal member but now is boycotting till reforms are met

School has started, and my online time will now be drastically reduced.

Lay-the MESC is alive and kickin

On Antarctica-I would like my middle section of Antarctica to become international territory, I some fairly neutral nation would like to be responsible for maintaining it let me know. Varsola gets the biggest piece, if he doesnt want it, get rid of it, I dont want it. The smallest piece is staying mine.


TLS-Do you want my section of Afghanistan?

Celtayoshi: Thread added.

Elephantum: Yeah school is a drag, well understood.

Concering Alliances
Those alliances with an asterick have keyed in that they are still active. If you don't have one and are active you better let me know.

Concerning Zeeeland's Territories
The whole situation of getting Zeeelands' territories is hereby as such. You all have to RP for them as he is over 21-days. I would recommend one major thread with all the operations and actors involved but that is just me, you can do it as you please. With that in mind, no land will be given until the RPs have finished.

NEW THREAD!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442488

The Son of Heaven Rises - the creation of the Greater Chinese Empire.

Just a reminder about it....

Just a reminder about it....

Gotcha.

I side with Kreynoria.
Damnedit! Everybody's teaming up against me......!

Ah well. I can use this. If I loose, then the people will go crazy because of the massive loss of life. If I win, then the people will go crazy because of the imperialistic actions of the government. Either way, it'll force changes and the dismantlement of the Empire. I can use this... BRING IT ON (but please don't hurt me ;))!

So... how do I make an army?

Kreynoria']Alright, alright, I don't want a fight with two multi-billion population countries, but I am at war with Cotland over Zeee's Pacific territories (Niue, French Polynesia, and New Caledonia)

Hah.....now I know of a war next to me...because I am interested in French Polynesia...damn it I just want to get my Civil War over with..

So... how do I make an army?

Take your population and multiply it by .04 - .08

Go to google and type in " modern firearms " and it should be a .ru site but in PURE english. There you may find weapons to use.

Just a reminder about it....

Hey Marimaia, I am trying to get my Civil War over so I can begin on showing how traditional Japan is. Actually, announcement:

I really made the Civil War to fill up time while NG was gone and when I got the idea months ago...well I got the idea out of booredom...infact....I wish to call my Civil War null so I can get back to the NG thread and so I can get on with posting the lifestyles of Japan.

First off, develop an organizational structure. Decide if you'll use the unit sizes and ranks of a modern country, or make your own custom ones. Decide what armor, weapons, and equipment your infantry have. Decide how they get around, and make sure you include specialized forces (urban combat, mountain fighting, jungle warfare, airborne forces, etc.) as appropriate to your terrain. Next add mechanized and armoured units, such as IFVs (infantry fighting vehicles, basically armed troop transports, like the M2 bradley), tanks, MLRSs (Multi-Launch Rocket Systems), AA guns, SAMS, artillery pieces (howitzers, mortars, and guns), and miscellanious troop transports and any other vehicles I haven't thought of. For your airforce, make sure you include fighters and bombers, a few high speed-interceptors, some Stealth aircaft if you want, transport aircraft for paratroops, and a refueler plane. For your navy, start with capital ships, like aircraft carriers and battleships, and work your way down to cruisers, frigates, destroyers, and small craft like PT boats and corvettes. Add other ships, like destroyer tenders, hospital ships, supply ships, minelayers, and minesweepers. Throw in some submarines and your good to go. Remember, if your landlocked, you can't really have a navy. Include any special, elite, or unique forces (such as my berserker troops, Layarteb's Black Forces, etc.) if you want, and you're finished. Make sure your army can be supported by your population. Update it every so often. Use the militaries of other, more experienced nations (in the Defenses Sheet) as guides. Use storefronts (Layarteb's is very good, especially with naval stuff) if you need to. Have fun and good luck.

Notice: to the Earth II nations:

Celtayoshi and I have announced plans to create the world's longest street, Yonge Street (named after the RL Toronto road that actually held that title). We have opened a question and answer period for anyone wishing to inquire about the road:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9597777

Romen Confederacy is as good as dead. It wasn't really much of an alliance but an excuse halt imperalistic powers from invading each other so that they can focus on invading the small and weak.

the confederacy hasn't even voted for a chairman in years and no motions have been brought to the council in a long time

And this comes from someone who was once a loyal member but now is boycotting till reforms are met

I think the problem was that I think we had interest from only half the people and that its use was never made clear because we didn't develop it. I admit, I gave up on it when the problems got out of hand, but if you want to revive the Confederacy in some form Pantheaa, I'd be willing to do it.

Thank you all very much, one last thing, where should I post it, new thread or is there a specific area?

The Earth II Defences Sheet, the link is on the front page.

Even better news, Northern Ireland beat England, I have the worlds biggest smile on my face right now, I feel invincible :D

and, er yea, so this post has some real point to it other than to poke fun at the English...

Anyone who wants to ask questions about Rome and Celtayoshi's longest road please please do so at the thread...

We're in a state of mourning here in Norway for the moment. The Scots beat us 2 - 1, snatching the first place in our section away from us. Yes, we played very crappy and the Scots were extremely aggressive and played well, but with an extremely biased-towards-Scotland judge from Luxemburg, the situation did not improve for Norway. Hell, one of the Scots did a judo tackle on one of our players and got off with a yellow card FFS! He should have had a frigging red one! Damned biased judge bastard! I demand a rematch!

[/rant]

England were shite, but the Irish played with passion, and in the second half were just downright better. It makes me proud to say "I'm from Norn Iron!" Yea we flew into tackles, but, they were still fair tackles, mostly. Healy's goal was a real smasher, Premiership class....

Hehehe...Italy won, almost assuring it a spot in Germany. I'm happy. :D

...and Cotland, if it's any small consolation, Scotland won't do anything at the World Cup next year anyway, just like their last trips to the finals.

Sorry but.....I don't like Soccer...

I think ( American ) football is much more exciting but you guys get away with a lot more rivalry since it is nation vs nation and not state vs state.

I'm fine playing soccer, but I don't follow major games. Speaking of which, this reminds me of the Soccer War between Honduras and El Salvador

As an American, I am legally obligated to neither understand nor care about the above conversation.

As another American, I smack Elephantum for his misguided apathy concerning soccer/football.

The US beat Mexico a week or so ago to move into first place in the CONCACAF region and I think (i think) we've qualified for the cup. For those of you who don't know, Mexico and USA have a bit of a rivalry, so this was a very satisfying result for those of us Americans who follow the sport.

I am a law abiding American citizen and you force me to put you under citizens arrest. You have broken one of America's most important laws. By caring about soccer you have now condemned yourself to an exile in France with the words Bush '04 tatooed on your forehead.

Have a nice day!

really, however, its not that I dont care about soccer, but I dont care about professional sports all that much in general. The Sox (Red of course), and Pats during the playoffs are about all the sports I can handle

I am a law abiding American citizen and you force me to put you under citizens arrest. You have broken one of America's most important laws. By caring about soccer you have now condemned yourself to an exile in France with the words Bush '04 tatooed on your forehead.

Have a nice day!

As a college student, I am exempt from the ignorance laws passed by the Bush administration, according to section A14, paragraph 7, which states, "College students, in order to better the economy, must actually learn things, and are exempt from sections A1-A13 inclusive." (sections A1-A13 inclusive containing the clause concerning the soccer apathy obligation).

It gets better and better doesn't it? I am a fan of the Yankees and Bills, and as such, hate the Pats and Bosox.

Thank god I believe in separation of IC and OOC, for both of our sakes most likely, or Id have a grand fleet of conquest or two knocking on your front door

Thank god I believe in separation of IC and OOC, for both of our sakes most likely, or Id have a grand fleet of conquest or two knocking on your front door

Yeah, but be careful, I have a trapdoor outside the door that drops out under grand fleets of conquest.

I am a fan of the...Bills

*thumbs up to you* I see there are more of us...you from Buffalo? I'm not and it gets lonely...

*thumbs up to you* I see there are more of us...you from Buffalo? I'm not and it gets lonely...

I was born in Rochester and lived there for 5 1/2 years, moved to Tampa, and now I'm in Atlanta.

I was born in Rochester and lived there for 5 1/2 years, moved to Tampa, and now I'm in Atlanta.

How's Atlanta?

How's Atlanta?

It's nice, I'm here for college at Georgia Tech, so I haven't seen much outside of midtown, but I like it here.

It's nice, I'm here for college at Georgia Tech, so I haven't seen much outside of midtown, but I like it here.

Georgia Tech...I like their team. What are you doing over there? Also, how's Atlanta in winter? I'm guessing it's got to be better than Toronto...

Georgia Tech...I like their team. What are you doing over there? Also, how's Atlanta in winter? I'm guessing it's got to be better than Toronto...

We showed up Auburn pretty good didn't we? I stayed up so late that night partying. I'm here for Computer Engineering, winter's nice, sometimes it snows a little, but usually it just gets a little cold, coldest day's probably in the mid to low 20's or so.

Good week for the US, 2-0 win over Mexico and a 0-0 draw with Guatemala in Guatemala using mostly fringe players. We booked our place in Germany.

Ireland, however, is in far worse condition. They have to win their remaining two games (Cyprus & Switzerland) to even have a prayer of qualifying after falling to the French. They should beat Cyprus, but Switzerland really has me nervous.

Also, I'm very pleased with Northern Ireland's victory over England. Maybe the FA will garner some sense and finally sack Sven. 4-5-1? Ha!

School has started, and my online time will now be drastically reduced.

Lay-the MESC is alive and kickin

On Antarctica-I would like my middle section of Antarctica to become international territory, I some fairly neutral nation would like to be responsible for maintaining it let me know. Varsola gets the biggest piece, if he doesnt want it, get rid of it, I dont want it. The smallest piece is staying mine.


TLS-Do you want my section of Afghanistan?

Sure(to the land part)

And my school started...oh...about a month ago :D.

It really hasn't cut in much into my time. Sure, that may be because I have no life, but...

Hey hey hey, everybody. It's a wonderful day. Don't forget to check out my updated military...(evil, maniac, phsycotic laghter)...any way, there is about to be a war.

Hey hey hey, everybody. It's a wonderful day. Don't forget to check out my updated military...(evil, maniac, phsycotic laghter)...any way, there is about to be a war.
That military is still not a match for the combined forces of the Imperial Cottish Armed Forces. But it'll be a good fight if you're crazy/stupid enough to attempt to invade me. Remember that I am watching you closely, and that channel of your might not be in exsistance for much longer if you keep up with that warmongering. Up to you though.

School has started, and my online time will now be drastically reduced.

Lay-the MESC is alive and kickin

On Antarctica-I would like my middle section of Antarctica to become international territory, I some fairly neutral nation would like to be responsible for maintaining it let me know. Varsola gets the biggest piece, if he doesnt want it, get rid of it, I dont want it. The smallest piece is staying mine.


TLS-Do you want my section of Afghanistan?.

I'm new, neutral, and specialize in cold-weather climates. Could I maintain the Antarctic territory?

I am old, scary, and specialise in preservation of territory, I don't want it :)

Ahhh! I have internet again! I half expected to come back to the fourms and find myself conquered, but this is a nice supprise.

As I was asked while I was gone, what my stance is on the TLC/NG war (I hope I got the sides right, there are a few too many post for me to read right now).

Due to substancial financial intrests on both sides, we will refrain from support of either side aside from our already existing contracts. The direct sale of troops to either side is also forbidden by our policies.

how neutral will you be bjorn? The caretaker should have very little military presence, no commercial presence, and allow access for all who wish to visit, unless for military or commercial purposes. Tourist industry is acceptable, but not mining or things like that. Preservation of wildlife should also be a concern. If you agree to that, its yours.

TLS-Afghanistan is yours

how neutral will you be bjorn? The caretaker should have very little military presence, no commercial presence, and allow access for all who wish to visit, unless for military or commercial purposes. Tourist industry is acceptable, but not mining or things like that. Preservation of wildlife should also be a concern. If you agree to that, its yours.

TLS-Afghanistan is yours

I agree to terms. I'll take care of the penguins.

Just to remind you, if you want to ask either myself or Rome questions about our lnogest street in the world go here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433170&page=3&pp=15

*Official Business*

Soviet Bloc and I have agreed to the following land transfer:

Arkansas and Louisiana (minus E Louisiana north of and including New Orleans) for Idaho and Colorado.

We showed up Auburn pretty good didn't we? I stayed up so late that night partying. I'm here for Computer Engineering, winter's nice, sometimes it snows a little, but usually it just gets a little cold, coldest day's probably in the mid to low 20's or so.

Didn't catch the game, but I should say that my absolute favourite college football team is Florida, but I'm partial to Georgia Tech.

It snows in Atlanta? I would have never guessed. Still, though, it's a little better than Toronto, where it snows every winter. Good to know you're enjoying yourself...how's the party at Georgia Tech?

Wondering if i could claim some of Zeeland's Land as he has been inactive for a while. Im new so just let me know if that id do-able.

Didn't catch the game, but I should say that my absolute favourite college football team is Florida, but I'm partial to Georgia Tech.

It snows in Atlanta? I would have never guessed. Still, though, it's a little better than Toronto, where it snows every winter. Good to know you're enjoying yourself...how's the party at Georgia Tech?

We beat em 23-14, the line was Auburn by 3. This Saturday we play North Carolina, and I will be there. The Gators look pretty good this year, having an experienced QB is crucial, and Leak could be the best there is.

We beat em 23-14, the line was Auburn by 3. This Saturday we play North Carolina, and I will be there. The Gators look pretty good this year, having an experienced QB is crucial, and Leak could be the best there is.

I hope so. The Gators have been in a little bit of a funk lately and it's been bugging me. However, I still freshly remember the 1996 championship...Danny Wuerffiel and the boys really put the boots to those Seminoles :D . Speaking of which, whatever happened to Wuerffiel...

You looking forward to North Carolina? How is their football program? I remember it being so-so. Also, how does seating work for students at Georgia Tech? I get free admission for the games at my school (York University) so I wonder if you get the same deal.

Well, Cotland and me are/were fighting over French Polynesia, but we're negotiating now, I've laid claim to Niue and New Caledonia in the Pacific, and New Jyria and Gnoolopelep (whatever his name is) and Celtayoshi are taking over Zeeeland Africa. Try bargaining with them to claim a particular territory.

I dont really have anything to bargin with, im new. Could it be possible to RP for it? Or does anyone know of any land that i could grab. Im small so it wouldnt have to be big

Um, hi everyone. Did anyone D12 me in my pathetically long absence?

EDIT: The list says no, but come on. No one wants a few little islands?

I see Zeeland joined me in death, too. W00t.

Um, hi everyone. Did anyone D12 me in my pathetically long absence?

EDIT: The list says no, but come on. No one wants a few little islands?

I see Zeeland joined me in death, too. W00t.

Hey, I'll take Taiwan if you really want to hand it over.....

Marimaia, do you want to sell me Nigeria?

Concerning Football (US/World): Football is boring as hell. I can never understand all the damn rules, there's just too many of them. Then you have tons of plays that make little sense. Now with that ever notice that the dumbest guys in high school were on the football team? How did they understand this? Now soccer is pretty damn exciting I have to say. I don't watch or follow it but it was fun to play and it can get pretty action packed. My only thing with soccer are the fans! People DIE at soccer games. When countries lose, they riot. When countries win, they riot. It's just a game people, you all need to calm the hell down and not turn into an angry mob when your team loses and not burn down half your city! That's my beef with soccer.

TLS: Afghanistan to you.

Elephantum: You're getting closer. Currently you have 2,163,923.92 so you only need to drop 113,923.92. That international territory is a good idea. We'll see who grabs it.

Hyperbia: Welcome back.

Rome/SB: Affirmed.

United States of Brink: The situation with Zeeeland's territories is ultra confusing. Basically I have encouraged a mass RP for his land but anyone wanting his land will have to RP for it. As you are new, with no stake in land, you could always RP an insurrection or a possible revolutionary group inside the country seeking independence.

Concerning Zeeeland:
Zeeeland has been deleted from NS. With this I know it means you can free-claim but because of the situation I will still require an RP for his land.

Claiming Benin and Togo, RP is same as it is atm, I am just going to assume it fell into anarchy, and so there are numerous factions/tribal conflicts etc.

Concerning Football (World), after the N.Ireland v England game the fans stayed in the stadium for at least an hour afterwards, then drove through South Belfast all night hooting their horns. But yea, football does cause more than a few riots and its not just after national teams win or lose.

Marimaia, do you want to sell me Nigeria?

Sure; if I ever get my hands on it I'll sell it to you.

Rome/SB: Affirmed.

Thanks. Hopefully I can get my hands on California and then I'll have the entire West Coast. :D

EDIT- If nobody has Swaziland, I shall take it.

Celtayoshi: Which RP is that, African Bloom?

RomeW: Yes that would be pretty sweet. All of the US would be layarteb, sb, and Rome... hot man hot!

New RP for the list


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443195


"The Global Human Rights Conference"


We invite all nations to participate.

So what land are we RPing for from Zeeland, and where is it going down?

One more chance at getting something within Earth II, since my last two attempts were failure. With Zeeland's pending deletion, what are the chances that I could grab New Caledonia?

Looks like its going to depend on how good of an RPer you are, there is like a zillion nations battling for it

All claims to Zeee's lands have to be RP'd for.

Well, I'm gonna dump a lot of Russian lands soon. Not right now, but soon. A couple of days perhaps? Depends on how quick the RPs go.

Sure; if I ever get my hands on it I'll sell it to you.

Damn my inability to distingish red from black, my fault

Lay: yup, African Bloom
Cotland: I'll take your Russian Lands :)

All claims to Zeee's lands have to be RP'd for.

Well...who's currently RPing for New Caledonia, and can I have the link to said thread?

As of this moment, my Antarctican claim is up for grabs. However, newbies get the first priority to the land. It is 270,271.52 square miles or 699,999.94 square kilometers. Currently, on the claim, are a pair of scientific bases with about 250 people per base. They are powered by a small nuclear reactor. Originally we found an alien lifeform in the ice core samples but have since removed all of this lifeform and have found no new lifeforms.

As of this moment, my Antarctican claim is up for grabs. However, newbies get the first priority to the land.

Heh, unfortunately, grabing antarctica wouldn't allow me much anyways, since it's a big chunk of land covered with a thick layer of ice.

Anyways, I'll start my role play for New Caledonia soon, and if other people also claim it, then they'll have to fight for it. In any case, what are the rules for role playing the capture of new claims? For example, it wouldn't be realistic that a Macabee fleet just pops out into the South Pacific Ocean and claims a big island in the area. So, how would I go about doing it? Would I be role playing as an independence group in New Caledonia, and then role play its developement into a nation the size of the Macabees?

Heh, unfortunately, grabing antarctica wouldn't allow me much anyways, since it's a big chunk of land covered with a thick layer of ice.

Anyways, I'll start my role play for New Caledonia soon, and if other people also claim it, then they'll have to fight for it. In any case, what are the rules for role playing the capture of new claims? For example, it wouldn't be realistic that a Macabee fleet just pops out into the South Pacific Ocean and claims a big island in the area. So, how would I go about doing it? Would I be role playing as an independence group in New Caledonia, and then role play its developement into a nation the size of the Macabees?

That's pretty much how you have to do it.

I'll have it up tonight then.

I'm back now from my extented and unexpected leave. Why is Zeeeland pending deletion?

I'm back now from my extented and unexpected leave. Why is Zeeeland pending deletion?

He doesn't exist anymore. His nation was deleted for inactivity.

I would like to set up a thread for the land of Namibia. I believe Zeeland had that. I'd be roleplaying as a faction inside the country that is trying to rise up. Just want to confrom that this is aloud, if not could someone let me know what land of his i could rp for.

This is what Zeeeland had:

Benin, Botswana, Equatorial Guinea, French Polynesia, Namibia, New Caledonia, Niue, Rwanda, Togo, Wallis and Futuna

I know that French Polynesia is being fought over by Krey & Cotland here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442473).

Celtayoshi is fighting over Togo and Benin here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442616).

Looks like I'm without allies then...

Looks like I'm without allies then...

Get my TG?

You can RP a resitance group in my RP. I might flatten you initially, but if you went underground it would take me a while to establish the Celtayoshi State Intelligence Service in the two countries, so you could end up have me partition the land...

Get my TG?
So have you any land to trade for it?

So have you any land to trade for it?

I have Antarctica for newbies right now otherwise I have money.

Here's my thread: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9614285#post9614285

Hopefully Kreynoria and Cotland will reply soon.

Here's my thread: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9614285#post9614285

Hopefully Kreynoria and Cotland will reply soon.

Nicely written.

I have Antarctica for newbies right now otherwise I have money.

I will offer to buy some land in Antarctica.

I will offer to buy some land in Antarctica.

The EOL is giving the land away so no money is necessary. The land has little value to us.

The EOL is giving the land away so no money is necessary. The land has little value to us.

I'll take it! Do I need to RP a Bjornoyan planting a flag in the territory or something?

I'll take it! Do I need to RP a Bjornoyan planting a flag in the territory or something?

I would, this way you advertise yourself. Just post the URL here and I can put it on the list.

My attempt at Namibia

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9614381#post9614381

My attempt at Namibia

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9614381#post9614381

Added.

Here's my thread for Antarctica.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9614436#post9614436

I am putting all Zeeeland threads in a single area on the RPs list.

Bjorn, I will hold you to your word when it comes to keeping that section international. If you break the terms, we will be angry, and when we get angry, people DIE!

I have half a dozen threads to check, give me until this weekend if you are waiting for a response.

Does anyone care about Niue, Wallis, and Futuna? If not I'm starting RP for them.

My RP for those three /\

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9615263#post9615263

NTG has been admitted to the MESC by a 3-0 vote.

Damnit, I care about Niue.


For everyone confused about what I'm interested, I want French Polynesia, New Caledonia, and Niue.

Expect a response from me about Niue.

I throw my weight behind Bjornoya :)