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I did.

It was a helluva while back, though.

*sighs*

I hate digging through thousand-post long threads...

Me too. How come nothing was said about it if I didn't address it in an update? In each update I address every point since the last update so...

Me too. How come nothing was said about it if I didn't address it in an update? In each update I address every point since the last update so...

Because I kept thinking that NG would post his reply...

Ah well, it's a moot point now. Because since he stole Spain, no Syria for him!

Because I kept thinking that NG would post his reply...

Ah well, it's a moot point now. Because since he stole Spain, no Syria for him!

Land nazi lol!!!

Reference to Seinfield there...

Land nazi lol!!!

Reference to Seinfield there...

Who what when where how und why?

(RomeW's puppet here)

Pushka: If you're looking to sell south California, I'll pay handsomely for it.

The Lightning Star: Don't worry- there's about a million lands I want that I can't get (Ontario- where I live- being one of them). Besides, North Germania has yet to confirm my purchase of Corsica.

(Which reminds me: NG, if you haven't, can you please confirm that sale?)

Service announcement: I have traded Romania, northern Bulgaria and Port Hardy (on the northern Vancouver Island coast) to Yelm in return for my continued control of British Columbia. I've also offered a trade deal involving food because of Yelm's kindness.

Sale for Corsica confirmed.

No trade for Southern California.

I confirm the land trade with RomeW.

No trade for Southern California.


I am prepared to add all my land in Afghanistan and Africa to that Southern California offer. How about that?

Zeeeland places a bid on botswana for 1.5 trillion (RM):)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9154586

"Operation Lightfoot"

The RP where I take control of Komi and Nenetsia

Pushka and TLS-I havent done your oil stuff yet, Real life and organizing my military kinda got in the way.

ALL MESC MEMBERS-when you are completly done land transfers, please post here or tg me with what land you have gained, as well as the land you no longer own.


I think an EII factbook would be good, or at least a place with links to our own.


Also, sometime fairly soon I would like to create a Geneva Convention for EII, maybe next week. How many countries would follow it, how many would say they follow it, but dont, and how many just woulndt follow it, and admit it?

Also, sometime fairly soon I would like to create a Geneva Convention for EII, maybe next week. How many countries would follow it, how many would say they follow it, but dont, and how many just woulndt follow it, and admit it?

Actually that would be part of E2-UN.

Yelm/RomeW: Not a problem done. I guess I can take you off D12 huh Yelm :)?

Cotland: Added RP.

I've traded Soviet Bloc Missouri for Mississippi.

I've also traded Kaliningrad to NG for Alabama and Georgia.

This is confirmed.

Botswana has been sold to Zeeeland for 1.5 trillion Reichsmarks.

Waiting on his confirmation.

Yep, confirmed.

Yep Ive confirmed the deal i now own Botswana. layerteb can you make adjusments mate.... :)

Okay.

Cotland and I have agreed on a trade for North Carolina and Tennessee going to me except for the following counties on the eastern coast of NC: Hyde, Beaufort, Craven and Parnlic. Details of the trade remain classified.

Confirmed

Varsola, I have Cottonmouthian Antartica, all over half a million square miles, that you were supposed to confirm transfer of a LONG time ago. If you read this, please post to confirm, as I already have too much Antartican land.

Schweet!! Thanks Cot!

Schweet!! Thanks Cot!
NP ;)

I'm at work, so I can't reply in the shamrock thread right now. I'll do it when I get off (roughly 22.00 CET). I'll talk to you on aIM then? Got to discuss the "classified" bit of our deal, among others.

NP ;)

I'm at work, so I can't reply in the shamrock thread right now. I'll do it when I get off (roughly 22.00 CET). I'll talk to you on aIM then? Got to discuss the "classified" bit of our deal, among others.

I will be working from 1330 to 2200 EST so that's what, 1730 GMT to 0200 GMT. I'll probably be on until like 0400 EST but no promises, err thats 0800 GMT.

I think we're going to miss each other again tonight.

Shoot me a e-mail.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9159989#post9159989

Military Buildup and Draft thread.

Yelm and Hyperbia-Since Varsola is D13, he loses. My two largest pieces of Antartica will be for sale to the world. As you are nearby, I will offer it to you first. If neither of you claim it withing 24hrs, it becomes available for the rest of EII to put an offer on.

Have fun!

We worked out a deal with NG, he TGed me and said that he will give me Neurotika's Russian land if i give him my Afghanistan land and Southern California. I will also throw in Camerroon and whatever else i own in Africa, if he wants it.

This is confirmed.

The lands in Africa will not be needed though.

Cammeroon was originally a german colony i believe... so that may suit N.G. :)

hey lay it relates to my new territory of Botswana. (its a bit spartan at the mo. il add to it soonish) thanx :)


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9162389#post9162389post9162389

This is confirmed.

The lands in Africa will not be needed though.

As you wish:

Okay who wants Camerroon and Sierra Leone?

--EDIT--

Actually nevermind, i wanna keep Sierra Leone to use as a place for nuclear and non nuclear areal weapons testing. Camerron however is still on the table.

Who wants Camerroon?

Announcement:

Bermuda has been sold to Layarteb for a set amount of cash and 200 various oil drilling platforms.

All citizens have been removed from the island and moved to Guinea Bassau.

He shall confirm.


-Hawdawg

Announcement:

Bermuda has been sold to Layarteb for a set amount of cash and 200 various oil drilling platforms.

All citizens have been removed from the island and moved to Guinea Bassau.

He shall confirm.


-Hawdawg

It is true.

Layatreb, NG gets my Afghan land and my part of California, and i get NG's Russian territories (only ones NG has in Russia). The trade has been confirmed.

Also i want to be put on vacation mode as of today, i will be gone until the July 23.

Eh, I'll buy Cameroon for $800 billion.

NG, when are we going to have that Poland RP!?!?!?!?!?!?

Eh, don't think it's gonna happen at all.

Thought the situation over, and it's practically impossible to flare up a rebellion that would last more than 3 days (NS or RL).

Think of trying to start an uprising inside Nazi Germany, except subtract the Nazi factor and make the police force larger and stronger, and the "big brother" system even more powerful.

Eh, don't think it's gonna happen at all.

Thought the situation over, and it's practically impossible to flare up a rebellion that would last more than 3 days (NS or RL).

Think of trying to start an uprising inside Nazi Germany, except subtract the Nazi factor and make the police force larger and stronger, and the "big brother" system even more powerful.

I wouldn't call it "impossible"- just harder. Revolutionaries are determined, and the most successful ones are crafty, so even that system could be thwarted.

Eh, don't think it's gonna happen at all.

Thought the situation over, and it's practically impossible to flare up a rebellion that would last more than 3 days (NS or RL).

Think of trying to start an uprising inside Nazi Germany, except subtract the Nazi factor and make the police force larger and stronger, and the "big brother" system even more powerful.

And multiply the Polish Nationalism factor by 100.

I swear, even if it lasts three days, it shall be three glorious days. Think: Warsaw Uprising(or any polish uprising). The Poles rebelled all the time. Even when they were hopelessly screwed, they'd rebel.

I wouldn't call it "impossible"- just harder. Revolutionaries are determined, and the most successful ones are crafty, so even that system could be thwarted.

Exactly.

And then it'sa not just a revolution, but it's a Polish Revolution. If you knew as much about Polish history as I do, the Poles had a knack for revolution-ing. Of course, they lost most of the time, but they lasted longer than anyone else would.

Exactly.

And then it'sa not just a revolution, but it's a Polish Revolution. If you knew as much about Polish history as I do, the Poles had a knack for revolution-ing. Of course, they lost most of the time, but they lasted longer than anyone else would.

I know. They even once had a national anthem that said "Poland is not lost!" Poland pretty much defined "resilient".

(By the way, not to nag you on it, but are you going to post in my "East" thread? We need a Palestinian response...)

I know. They even once had a national anthem that said "Poland is not lost!" Poland pretty much defined "resilient".

(By the way, not to nag you on it, but are you going to post in my "East" thread? We need a Palestinian response...)

Yeah, I know. Although they're current anthem is about how awesome Dabrowski is, and how we pwned the Italians.

(I'll get to it, but right now I'm on a laptop that has horrible power issues, so I'm affraid to write anything too long.)

Yeah, I know. Although they're current anthem is about how awesome Dabrowski is, and how we pwned the Italians.

(I'll get to it, but right now I'm on a laptop that has horrible power issues, so I'm affraid to write anything too long.)

Pwned Italians? I don't recall an Italian-Polish fight....
(EDIT- A Napoleon thing...the Polish Legions came from Italy...)

(Thanks. I heard you had computer issues- how's the search coming?)

Well, if it did happen, I'd probably destroy an entire Polish town (reference to post Reinhard Heydrich's assasination and the obliteration of the Czech town of Lidice by Himmler).

We in Germania do not tolerate any acts against the government whatsoever, and know no boundaries when it comes to stamping it out.

Lay, can you change Iraq (South) to Iraq on the claim list, as I control the whole thing.


Also, anyone can bid on Antartica if they want now.

Layarteb: According to the claims list, me and Marimaia both own Tibet.

hey guys im back

Im away at Fort Leonard doing some Army National Guard training so its been hard to get on the internet but, i'll be online most likely during the weekends cause thats when i get my on-base pass

Yelm: RP added.

Pushka/NG: Russia thing done.

Neuvo: Fixed.

Well, if it did happen, I'd probably destroy an entire Polish town (reference to post Reinhard Heydrich's assasination and the obliteration of the Czech town of Lidice by Himmler).

We in Germania do not tolerate any acts against the government whatsoever, and know no boundaries when it comes to stamping it out.

Sweet Zombie jesus, you're like the Nazi's!

Anyhoo, they tried that in RL. Y'know what happened? The Poles got really pissed off and even the moderates joined in the fighting.

The Poles will try any means to get their free state. Even if it's just a REALLY small state around a major city(A la Duchy of Warsaw), they'll be content. Not exactly happy, but content.

Pwned Italians? I don't recall an Italian-Polish fight....
(EDIT- A Napoleon thing...the Polish Legions came from Italy...)

(Thanks. I heard you had computer issues- how's the search coming?)

We were "lead" by a Frenchman, but we still pwned.(we even beat the British in the Peninsular War. We lost the war, but in the ONLY battle EVER between the Brit's and Polish, we won! Weeeeeeeee!)

(I've gotten this blasted thing to work...

For now. But we still don't know what the problem is: The powercord or the powersupply. And the problem is, replacing the powersupply of a laptop is hard work :(.

Sweet Zombie jesus, you're like the Nazi's!

Anyhoo, they tried that in RL. Y'know what happened? The Poles got really pissed off and even the moderates joined in the fighting.

The Poles will try any means to get their free state. Even if it's just a REALLY small state around a major city(A la Duchy of Warsaw), they'll be content. Not exactly happy, but content.

ACHTUNG!!! The Teutonic Order of North Germania will vanquish thee!

ACHTUNG!!! The Teutonic Order of North Germania will vanquish thee!

He is right about the moderates joining the fighting though...

EDIT: Now I remember the reason I tried to make a post:

Vacation

3rd July to the 19th July

Its less than 21 days but still, don't try any RP, they will be auto-ignored. :D

See ya when I get back

FYI:

I will be unable to write any reponses to any RP's until Tuesday. I have 4th of July Activities to attend, and two relatives in the Hospital. This will keep my time limited to check on issues only until then. I should have everything balanced out on Tuesday and be back to my normal writing then.


-Hawdawg

ACHTUNG!!! The Teutonic Order of North Germania will vanquish thee!

Well, not technically me, but the Polish rebels I will (hopefully) be RPing!

Also, I have a question: How come in the non-democratic totalitarian iron-fist states of EII, there aren't any rebellions? I mean come on. Even the most powerful totalarian state EVER(the Soviet Union) had a ton of rebellions on it's hands, and it was even tougher than most of your governments. I mean, even I have had rebellions when my government got too totalitarian(and these guys had their gestapo-type peoples, their city burnings, and even a n00k or two).
Yet certain countries(whom i will not name...) haven't had internal strife for god knows how long(if ever).

Not to mention its almost impossible to hold large land claims without any international strife or rebellion. People don't like being ruled by foreginer rulers. The Romans, Greeks, Germany, Briton, USSR, France....they all had trouble holding their terrtories , though the Romans were the best at the iron fist rule.

It should be like civilization, in that the farther away your capital is away from the said land, the more likely it would be to hold a rebellion.

Just my 2 cents

Well, not technically me, but the Polish rebels I will (hopefully) be RPing!

Also, I have a question: How come in the non-democratic totalitarian iron-fist states of EII, there aren't any rebellions? I mean come on. Even the most powerful totalarian state EVER(the Soviet Union) had a ton of rebellions on it's hands, and it was even tougher than most of your governments. I mean, even I have had rebellions when my government got too totalitarian(and these guys had their gestapo-type peoples, their city burnings, and even a n00k or two).
Yet certain countries(whom i will not name...) haven't had internal strife for god knows how long(if ever).

Hey! I had a huge rebellion in my capital not that long ago! True, they were directing their anger towards Layarteb at first, but still. It was a rebellion (of sorts), and it was dealt with accordingly (think AH-6J Little Birds with guns blazing, as well as A-10s and soldiers in the streets, massive carnage among the rioters and loads of death penalties against the surviving rioters afterwards). Thus, people are less than willing to rebell against the Emperor. Besides, they live wonderful lives without much interference from the government.

Well, not technically me, but the Polish rebels I will (hopefully) be RPing!

Also, I have a question: How come in the non-democratic totalitarian iron-fist states of EII, there aren't any rebellions? I mean come on. Even the most powerful totalarian state EVER(the Soviet Union) had a ton of rebellions on it's hands, and it was even tougher than most of your governments. I mean, even I have had rebellions when my government got too totalitarian(and these guys had their gestapo-type peoples, their city burnings, and even a n00k or two).
Yet certain countries(whom i will not name...) haven't had internal strife for god knows how long(if ever).

Wouldn't know, I'm authoritarian :).

No problem Haw & Celt...Haw best of luck to them...

TLS: We haven't had any rebellions because we're good at providing excellent healthcare, education, culture, entertainment, work, etc., we give the people what we promise them, we're especially good with propaganda, and even better with fear tactics.

See, the people live excellent lives, we give them more luxuries as often as possible, the posters on the streets tell them so, and if they protest then we throw them in prison or kill them.

I'm finally back. That was one hard week. Ouch, Yelm wants his territories back. :headbang:

Hey! I had a huge rebellion in my capital not that long ago! True, they were directing their anger towards Layarteb at first, but still. It was a rebellion (of sorts), and it was dealt with accordingly (think AH-6J Little Birds with guns blazing, as well as A-10s and soldiers in the streets, massive carnage among the rioters and loads of death penalties against the surviving rioters afterwards). Thus, people are less than willing to rebell against the Emperor. Besides, they live wonderful lives without much interference from the government.

I, erm, wasn't refering to you.

But still, you RP'd it, and I salute you for that.

We haven't had any rebellions because we're good at providing excellent healthcare, education, culture, entertainment, work, etc., we give the people what we promise them, we're especially good with propaganda, and even better with fear tactics.

See, the people live excellent lives, we give them more luxuries as often as possible, the posters on the streets tell them so, and if they protest then we throw them in prison or kill them.

That's the thing. You opress them. You deny them the right to freedom of speech, the freedom of though, and the freedom of, well, being a distinct people. Sure, you use the "carrot and the stick" tactics, but it seems you have a small carrot and a BIG stick. Also, having "posters" on the street tell them to be good citizens won't be very great.

Also, we are talking about the Polish here. The Polish. If you know as much about all your territories as I know about mine, then you know what I am referring too.

Not to mention its almost impossible to hold large land claims without any international strife or rebellion. People don't like being ruled by foreginer rulers. The Romans, Greeks, Germany, Briton, USSR, France....they all had trouble holding their terrtories , though the Romans were the best at the iron fist rule.

It should be like civilization, in that the farther away your capital is away from the said land, the more likely it would be to hold a rebellion.

Just my 2 cents

Good idea and good points, my dear Pantheaa!

Pantheaa: I'm not sure if I agree that the Roman Empire was "iron-fist" in practise. Technically, it was, but in the heyday of Roman power they were pretty lenient as to what went on in the Empire and allowed many cultures and peoples to flourish, so long as they paid allegiance to the Emperor. That I think is one of the main factors towards the success of the Roman Empire, because although it was a dictatorship it as a benign one (save for maybe Caligula's rule...).

Regarding rebellions:

(I think may be my next guide project, because that is also poorly understood):

First of all, the average person cares little for ideological things like capitalism, democracy, Communism, Facism, feminism, etc.- they care more about the tangible things, like "will I be able to eat? Have a home? Get medical care if I need it?", and as long as they can live semi-comfortably, they probably wouldn't care if the government requires them to all have moustaches. Most people tend not to raise a peep about something unless it directly affects them, and besides the basic necessities (food, water, clothing, shelter, medicine (although this may even be questionable)), there's very little that will directly affect a lot of people.

This is also because most people (because of our animal instincts) are self-serving, and unless the revolutionaries can convince them that whatever ideology they're professing will actually be of use to a lot of people, the masses will just go on with their lives and forget about the whole thing. To put things in perspective, imagine this:

You live in a country that's never known democracy. You, like most of your villiage, is starving, because a severe drought killed all the crops. Now imagine that, in the faraway capital city, somebody is ranting about democracy, because they learned about it while abroad. This person then sends somebody to your villiage to enlist support. Now, what do you think you would be thinking? "Gee, this thing about being able to choose our leader sounds nice, but I haven't eaten in a week and I don't have the patience to sit through an election- I want food, and now!" In such a scenario, the revolutionaries have to convince the villiage that if they fall behind "democracy" they'll get the food they crave (because that's what they really care about), and this is no easy task. You try going hungry for a week and see if anything other than a nice bowl of pasta (or whatever food you want) crosses your mind.

Hence, most revolutionary movements- including nationalist movements- are small-scale operations, because the revolutionaries failed to tell the masses how the idea they're pushing will actually help them.

Having said all that, there is another thing that usually riles up people, and that is others "meddling" with their lives. This doesn't mean that people are naturally inclined towards democracy- it means that as long as the people "feel" that they have some ability to live their lives as they see fit, they don't really care about what the government imposes on them. To go back to the moustache thing- if, say, you're well-fed, able to have at least a little time to yourself and/or to your family and have a house and a decent amount of sleep, would it really matter if you were required to wear a moustache? Sure, it'd be annoying, but it's really just "a little thing" that doesn't really get in the way of your daily life- I mean, you can still eat, sleep, raise a family, etc. However, there *is* a point where all these "little things" add up into one big headache because it'd simply make life way too difficult to live, and that point is when you get massive insurrections. Tack on laws that require you to not only wear a moustache but also prohibiting you from wearing either socks or shoes and requiring you to wade through an alligator-infested pool just to get food and you're bound to get some problems.

Now, another note about the government's role in a revolution- there is no such thing as a "perfect" system that cannot be beaten. Revolutionaries- especially the dedicated ones- are crafty, and will stop at nothing to get what they want. Obviously, most revolutionaries- the successful ones, anyway- are as secretive as they can get, often using words, motions and symbols that are known only to them, and often labour endlessly in figuring out "the system" and ways to defeat it. For example, the phrase "and also with you" that's said after "peace be with you" during Church today was supposed to be a "password" in the early days of Christianity so that the preacher knew that the people gathered there were fellow Christians and not spies- otherwise, it'd just look like some random greeting. Similar strategies can be developed even with modern technology- everything has a flaw, and if it has a flaw, it can be exploited; and if it can be exploited, you can bet there's somebody dedicated enough to be able to do it. Secondly, it's also worth pointing out that there's no such thing as a government that's "perfect"- some people are going to hate it, and to state that "no one does" is to, frankly, create an impossibly unrealistic scenario. No two people think exactly the same way, so you can be sure that given those odds at least a few people will dissent.

To draw this back to the Polish question- TLS is right: the Poles will stop at nothing to get a state, even if that would mean the threat (or actual carrying out) of a massacre. This was a people that witnessed four divisions of their land by foreign powers (the "Polish Partitions") over about 300 years (with three of them before the 19th century), which severely shook the national psyche. Simply put, the only way to wipe out Polish nationalism is to wipe out every Pole on the planet, and that's impossible. Thus, at the very least, Poland will not take foreign occupation very kindly and will be a troublespot for anyone other than Poles to rule. The Polish people take setbacks in stride- you can massacre a villiage, but that just mobilizes them to create something stronger the next time.

Yelm: RP added.

Pushka/NG: Russia thing done.

Neuvo: Fixed.

Thanks

Remember guys, revolution doesn't just happen. I just finished, this past semester, an entire course on revolutions and theory behind them. But I'm honestly not going to get started because I'll be typing for the next hour. Just know that a revolution needs three basic elements (more than anything else): the army to cease support for the gov't, the elites to cease support for the gov't, and popular & widespread discontent. It's like fire. Fire needs, oxygen, fuel, and heat. Without all three elements, fire does not occur. Without those three elements above, a revolution cannot happen. Why do you think Iran has not had a revolution since '79? The majority of the people want democracy but both the elites & the army support the gov't so it won't happen.

yay im back. did i miss out on much??? :)

good idea for vacation mode.... anyways i heard binthor came back and then dissappeared as fast as he returned... thats wack (dont worry i dont want his land)

yay im back. did i miss out on much??? :)
The end of the World War. Lay's got a rebellion in Ireland, I've expanded my borders in Russia, TLS want to RP a Polish rebellion with NG, and Yelm is rattling his sabres, trying to take back his Decree 12 lands. Yelm, bring it on! Other than that, not much.

cool i better get back into the actions.


and thats a good point you said there lay.(funny that considering you di an entire course on it lol :p ) a good example also would be South Africa as the majority had to tolerate a apartheid regime dominated by a tiny minority for fifty years. Only because the whites had the monopoly omn the military and economy. and pretty much everything else. (assholes :mad: )

so a revolution needs oxygen e.t.c.

The end of the World War. Lay's got a rebellion in Ireland, I've expanded my borders in Russia, TLS want to RP a Polish rebellion with NG, and Yelm is rattling his sabres, trying to take back his Decree 12 lands. Yelm, bring it on! Other than that, not much.

I also had the Kaliningrad thing way back when...

Remember guys, revolution doesn't just happen. I just finished, this past semester, an entire course on revolutions and theory behind them. But I'm honestly not going to get started because I'll be typing for the next hour. Just know that a revolution needs three basic elements (more than anything else): the army to cease support for the gov't, the elites to cease support for the gov't, and popular & widespread discontent. It's like fire. Fire needs, oxygen, fuel, and heat. Without all three elements, fire does not occur. Without those three elements above, a revolution cannot happen. Why do you think Iran has not had a revolution since '79? The majority of the people want democracy but both the elites & the army support the gov't so it won't happen.

I know revolution doesn't just happen, but these are the poles you are talking ab00t. The POLES. Even when alot of the elite supported the Russians or Prussians(and the elite were alot of the time ethnic Russians and Prussians themselves, due to the fact that Polish elites always were anti-occupiers), and when the Russians and Prussians had MASSIVE armies in their terroritories, the Poles rose up. Think of the Poles as Greek fire or napalm. They rebel quite easily, and once they rebel it's damn near impossible to extinguish with anything short of giving them a Polish state.

I know revolution doesn't just happen, but these are the poles you are talking ab00t. The POLES. Even when alot of the elite supported the Russians or Prussians(and the elite were alot of the time ethnic Russians and Prussians themselves, due to the fact that Polish elites always were anti-occupiers), and when the Russians and Prussians had MASSIVE armies in their terroritories, the Poles rose up. Think of the Poles as Greek fire or napalm. They rebel quite easily, and once they rebel it's damn near impossible to extinguish with anything short of giving them a Polish state.

An uprising by a group and an actual revolution is something very different. Uprisings don't need much except some discontent and a leader, an agent who acts accordingly within the structure and the temporal aspect of the society.

An excellent theorist who pretty much nails revolution on the head (because of the vagueness of his theory) is Charles Tilley, who argues a series of events must happen that progress the society into a new direction. It's a perfect Archer with her amorphic approach to agency vs. structure (neither the agent nor the structure is the most important but their relationship within each other, time, and conditioning).

Remember guys, revolution doesn't just happen. I just finished, this past semester, an entire course on revolutions and theory behind them. But I'm honestly not going to get started because I'll be typing for the next hour. Just know that a revolution needs three basic elements (more than anything else): the army to cease support for the gov't, the elites to cease support for the gov't, and popular & widespread discontent. It's like fire. Fire needs, oxygen, fuel, and heat. Without all three elements, fire does not occur. Without those three elements above, a revolution cannot happen. Why do you think Iran has not had a revolution since '79? The majority of the people want democracy but both the elites & the army support the gov't so it won't happen.

The Iranian Revolution was a gradual process: it started small but soon engulfed the entire population. The Shah looked to stamp out dissent, but every time he had someone killed, an uprising would occur, getting bigger and bigger with each murder, eventually getting to the point where the whole country was up in arms and there was literally nothing the government could do. In this case, the elites and the army still stood behind the government, but once it became clear that the populace- which was needed for the workforce- did not want the Shah, both eventually turned on the government. The point is that even in states where the army and elites are fiercely loyal to the government, if the revolutionaries are persistent eventually everything can fall into place.

The Iranian Revolution was a gradual process: it started small but soon engulfed the entire population. The Shah looked to stamp out dissent, but every time he had someone killed, an uprising would occur, getting bigger and bigger with each murder, eventually getting to the point where the whole country was up in arms and there was literally nothing the government could do. In this case, the elites and the army still stood behind the government, but once it became clear that the populace- which was needed for the workforce- did not want the Shah, both eventually turned on the government. The point is that even in states where the army and elites are fiercely loyal to the government, if the revolutionaries are persistent eventually everything can fall into place.

Yes and no. The Shah, in efforts to appease the Carter administration (because you know Carter's only thing was Human Rights), backed off on his brutality and set a lot of political prisoners free (Ayatollah amongst them). As he waned, the populace saw it as a sign of weakness and began to demonstrate more and more. The Shah would then order the army to attack but, in many cases, they wouldn't. Once US support officially vanished that was it for them. The army stopped their support, the elites went completely against the Shah, and thus was the end.

MESC members, the forum has undergone some updating. Come take a look

Pushka, ill start to find your stats now.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9190052

Reformation of the Army and Marine Corps announced.

:) yeehaaaaaaaa im now SOMETIMES DEADLy on my jolt thingy..

also Im gonna seize Zwmbabwe

Creating R.p. now...

I'm thinking of making Chapter 2 of my Civil War soon...

" My Crude Empire of Dust "...

sweet

RPs updated. Psy, just post the URL here when you do it. You still haven't posted the thread to your initial civil war.

Yes and no. The Shah, in efforts to appease the Carter administration (because you know Carter's only thing was Human Rights), backed off on his brutality and set a lot of political prisoners free (Ayatollah amongst them). As he waned, the populace saw it as a sign of weakness and began to demonstrate more and more. The Shah would then order the army to attack but, in many cases, they wouldn't. Once US support officially vanished that was it for them. The army stopped their support, the elites went completely against the Shah, and thus was the end.

The whole cycle of protests DID start off because of attacks on civilians. The Iranians are mostly Shi'ites, and, according to Shi'ite tradition, after a death is forty days of mourning. On January 3, 1978, the army shot and killed some student protestors. The Shi'ite clergy called on its members to honour the dead students, which turned into even bigger protests on February 18. The army again shot and killed the protestors, and again the forty days of mourning and call to honour of the dead. The cycle eventually repeated itself so that the whole country was literally protesting the Shah.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution#Escalating_protests

Only then did the army, the US and the elites (who were NOT the Shi'ite clergy since the Shah was trying to get rid of Shi'ism) stop their support of Iran. You are right in that to have a successful revolution you need to have the government on its heels, but understand that it's almost always a gradual process, and it can be one started by mere commoners- they, just like any revolutionary, have to work their way to the level that would allow the revolution to succeed.

Alright, TLS, you can have your little rebellion in Poland. But don't expect it to last long with over 85.000 OS-Ordnung soldiers already stationed in Warsaw alone.

Pick a town or a city, make a thread. The rebels are going to have to get their weapons from an outside source because stealing weapons from the government is next to impossible without being caught.

Cotland, if Yelm wants war with you, he wants war with me too.

Just to let everyone know that I wont be posting again till the 20th as I'm going off to the International Air Tatoo to work, although unpaid as it's with the Air Cadets.

Just letting the crowds know. Tommorrow, I will go on holiday and not return for a week. All RPs that I'm involved in will be frozen. I hope that the people I'm RPing with won't have too much of a trouble with that.

Link to an informational item.

Hawdawg establishes new Naval Base in Guinea Bassau (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430085)

-Hawdawg

Updated.

I like Sierra Leone

I like Sierra Leone

Sorry bud. It's taken.

But the Ivory Coast is free! And so is Mali. So take them while you can.

Then i'll take both of them.

New Thread: Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9197349#post9197349) (It's the Poland-rp)

Then i'll take both of them.

Ok then. Layarteb should see this when he gets back on.

And if he doesn't, I'll remind him.

Just checking in. I haven't been here for the past few days, but it doesn't look like a great deal has happened...

I was thinking about doing a terrorist RP that erupts into a revolution, would anyone be interested in RPing forces destined to overthrow the khan.

Layarteb, I need my name changed to " The Grand Empire of Japan ", don't worry about changing my name on map untill you need to update land claims..don't wanna trouble ya to much. Thanks.

( For those who get smart: No not my NS name, my name on EII..check the claim lists >_> )

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9202092#post9202092 - [Earth II] Operation: Apocalypse Rising ATTN: Yelm

man these R.Ps are getting Juicy... :)

hey lay can you add this thread mate.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9202774#post9202774post9202774

Hey, I was going through the maps and noticed that some of my claims are not labled on the map: Hidalgo County, Texas, USA; Easter Island; Nauru.

It would be cool if you could fix this.. thanks.

NOTE TO ALL

Starting on the 13th, I will be in DC, VA, PA, MD, and maybe a couple other places too. I will be returning sometime around the end of the month. I would like to be put on D13 until then. Also, this week, I will be here, but not as much as usual between life getting in the way and preparing to leave.

Thanks all,
Elephantum

Anyone here from London?

I live just outside London

Brydog: They are yours. Welcome back to E2, I hope you can stay this time around.

TLS: Your Poland RP has been added.

Pyschotika: Name changed and RP added.

Zeeeland: RP added.

Elephantum: Please just remind me on the 12th with a TG or something.

Liebermonk: I knew I forgot something when I redid the map. Thanks.

Varsola: You back from vacation or just logging in?

Jus' logging in. Man, you are fast to catch that!

Troubled Waters (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430638)

Since Yelm came back, I've given back Tanzania and Kenya, but am keeping Djibouti. Please update the Africa map when you have time.

Jus' logging in. Man, you are fast to catch that!

Let us know when you are back then, I'll keep you on D13 for now.

Hey Torian Domain, do you by any chance play Galactic Civilizations? Because the Torian Confederation is one of the alien civilizations in it.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT04/refresh/AL0405W5+gif/211039W_sm.gif

I don't know if any of you guys live on the Gulf coast or if you are in the way of this but if you are, I hope you get out of it with what you went into it with. He just jumped 15mph inside of a hour or two. I know NG lives in Alabama in Mobil Bay, IIRC, so he's going to be in the path of this.

Best of luck gents & ladies!

Neuvo Rica: Good layout thus far. Perhaps there is something in the works for the factbook for you. Who knows.

Cotland: So much easier on me for the maps! Thank you!

Swordfallen: Yes you are but to an extent. I have two small islands off the coast of Costa Rica from Jurassic Park (no dinosaurs, just the land). Atlantis is a little different, very different. Due to its existence never actually being known or confirmed or even put anywhere it's tough to say where it is. Now as far as Japan, I'm not sure what you are talking about, nothing isn't colored in. The gray thing is Russia, the Kurile Islands, Russia's territory. Take notice that the gray means another map. If you looked at the map names you would see that. Check the charter for claiming rules.

Elephantum: Well put.



Actually, Atlantis has been "located" several times. I've heard its in-between Iceland and Ireland but closer to Iceland, in the middle of the Atlantic, off the Strait of Gibraltar just southwest of Spain, and even as a small island off of Crete. In the computer game "Age of Mythology," Atlantis is depicted southwest of Spain, just slightly smaller than all of the Iberian peninsula.

Ack, that says it might go over Chicago sometime in the next few days (albeit probably less than Force 1 by then :D )

Kreynoria']Actually, Atlantis has been "located" several times. I've heard its in-between Iceland and Ireland but closer to Iceland, in the middle of the Atlantic, off the Strait of Gibraltar just southwest of Spain, and even as a small island off of Crete. In the computer game "Age of Mythology," Atlantis is depicted southwest of Spain, just slightly smaller than all of the Iberian peninsula.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis

Atlantis was a legendary ancient island, whose existence and location have never been confirmed.

If you have some evidence to the contrary I'll think about it.

Nothing EVER hits Panama.Tsunamis? No. Hurricanes? No. Tornados? No. Earthquakes, once a year, in the middle of NOWHERE. The worst thing to happen here would probably be flooding, and that was in Colon(on the other side of Panama).

I'm safe ^^.

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/szakdolg/katona/image/pc_game/003_01_age_of_mythology_briefing_map.jpg

This is Plato's idea of it, but bah, he's a god-damned philosopher. I don't trust him as far as I can throw his corpse.

well, considering how long ago he lived, his corpse wouldnt be very hard to throw

Nothing EVER hits Panama.Tsunamis? No. Hurricanes? No. Tornados? No. Earthquakes, once a year, in the middle of NOWHERE. The worst thing to happen here would probably be flooding, and that was in Colon(on the other side of Panama).

I'm safe ^^.

I am a whole lot safer than you. You are surrounded by nice, warm water. I'm surrounded by nice, cold water. muahahaha!

Kreynoria']http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/szakdolg/katona/image/pc_game/003_01_age_of_mythology_briefing_map.jpg

This is Plato's idea of it, but bah, he's a god-damned philosopher. I don't trust him as far as I can throw his corpse.

They also believed the world was flat back then so no.

Press Release

Hawdawg Naval Procurement Division
Stockholm, Sweden


As of today the following vessels will be offered to the highest bidder for sale:

(90) Ticonderoga Class Guided Missile Cruisers
(80) Oliver H. Perry Class Frigates
(40) Spruance Class Destroyers
(40) Arleigh Burke Class AEIGS Destroyers


We are updating to FDI designs and have deemed these vessels outdated. All ships come with weapons load and fully fueled. You may bid by TG. Starting bid is $50 billion. Bids will be taken until Monday.

Sincerely,

Rear Admiral Hienz
Holy Republic of Hawdawg
Cheif Naval Procurement Officer


-----------------

OOC: Don't fill up the thread with bids send them to me TG. I won't accept them otherwise.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9218271#post9218271 - I already forgot the name..but yea needs added in active threads.

They also believed the world was flat back then so no.

Actually, no. The Greeks knew very well that the world was round- one of their scientists, Eratosthenes, actually calculated the exact diameter of Earth, and though he was off, he was still very close.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth#Antiquity

As far as Atlantis is concerned, Plato conceived of it purely as a fable to prove a moral point. Plato never talked about a real continent.

(Besides, Kreynoria, I've thought of Atlantis as being much bigger than that)

Actually, no. The Greeks knew very well that the world was round- one of their scientists, Eratosthenes, actually calculated the exact diameter of Earth, and though he was off, he was still very close.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth#Antiquity

As far as Atlantis is concerned, Plato conceived of it purely as a fable to prove a moral point. Plato never talked about a real continent.

(Besides, Kreynoria, I've thought of Atlantis as being much bigger than that)

There's a billion theories: INCLUDING one that South America is Atlantis(some people say that because some "maps" of Atlantis look like South America upside-down).

Look, Krey, I know you're desperate for land and stuff, but you'd have more success convincing Lay to expand to the moon ><.

no good, he wouldn't let me claim Venus

You don't have to have all your lands in the EII realms, I had (and still have) three NS land claims. And when I was in EII, my main nation was still the Island, not North America or South America or blah blah. To the point, you don't need Lay's permission to own a piece of Venus. Of course this is my opinion.

I'd like to withdraw my claims to Earth II.

I'd like to withdraw my claims to Earth II.

Better make a will, I suggest leaving it to NtG, he always did want Turkey you know... just saying.

North Germania receives all of my claims, except for Turkey, which can go to Nikolaos the Great.

RomeW: Yeah that's early antiquity they believed it to be flat and even in the Middle Ages. Says that by the 1st Century AD, it was widely believed but way back when it wasn't.

TLS: I'll acknowledge other land masses, etc. but there has to be a lack of conflict as to where it exists and it has to either be in pop culture, a book, etc. something with a basis to it. Pssst Earth II. I highlight the word "Earth."

TIOR: You are correct. You can own Venus, etc. on NS, have your nation on NS, etc.

Euroslavia: It's not cool dude. You must return later on, that is an order ;). If NTG and NG confirm it'll be cool. Take care.

Binthor ceases to exist. His African and South American lands are now painted white.

It has nothing to do with my being unsatisfied with the Earth, I'm actually withdrawing from all Earths, but if I ever get interested in coming back, Earth 2 would be the one I'd come to first. You've done a great job with everything Layarteb. :)

It has nothing to do with my being unsatisfied with the Earth, I'm actually withdrawing from all Earths, but if I ever get interested in coming back, Earth 2 would be the one I'd come to first. You've done a great job with everything Layarteb. :)

Thanks Euro. You've done damn well with the sticky's too. Give us a plug if you want ;).

LOL just kidding...

TLS: I'll acknowledge other land masses, etc. but there has to be a lack of conflict as to where it exists and it has to either be in pop culture, a book, etc. something with a basis to it. Pssst Earth II. I highlight the word "Earth."


I know! That's why I said he'd have more luck, not that' he would convince you! :p

And is it me or does NG have a monopoly on Europe?

I know! That's why I said he'd have more luck, not that' he would convince you! :p

And is it me or does NG have a monopoly on Europe?

Nah he's pretty much got it.

*Gasps*

Either I've gone colorblind or almost all of Europe is under the control of a single master.

Either I've gone colorblind or almost all of Europe is under the control of a single master.

Yep i was one of the last truly independent European nation, but i had the misfortune of being sandwiched in between two superpowers. Now im one of the only true independent Russian nations

I wish to claim the little Southern Tip of South America, will edit post once thread is up.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9226220#post9226220

I wish to claim the little Southern Tip of South America, will edit post once thread is up.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9226220#post9226220

You may. I'll update.

Any word on the UN plans, or League of Nations thingy number two was working on Layarteb?

-Hawdawg

Any word on the UN plans, or League of Nations thingy number two was working on Layarteb?

-Hawdawg

Have you guys come to anything in the OOC Discussion? I honestly really thing it ought to be started ASAP but it needs a command structure, so to speak.

Nothing more than the talking points listed. I assumed Marima (sp?) was handling it all? I suggest he form the league of nations model, it seems to fit everyone better.

I don't have time this week to work on a project like that, I have too many irons in the fire already.

-Hawdawg

Nothing more than the talking points listed. I assumed Marima (sp?) was handling it all? I suggest he form the league of nations model, it seems to fit everyone better.

I don't have time this week to work on a project like that, I have too many irons in the fire already.

-Hawdawg

EVERYONE INTERESTED IN THE E2-UN/LON GO TO THE OOC DISCUSSION

NG REALLY needs to respond to mein Polish Thread, I am this close to starting the revolution but he hasn't responded to the "incident" in the bakery...

NG REALLY needs to respond to mein Polish Thread, I am this close to starting the revolution but he hasn't responded to the "incident" in the bakery...

You do realize he lives in Alabama and he's under Hurricane Dennis right now right?

guess whose back.... back again... guess whose back.. um tell someone who gives a crap lol!!! :p

uhh anyways lay can you change my name back to Zeeeland please..cheers

Sure Zeee.

Layarteb Begins Reconnaissance Flights Over Border (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431357)

Can you add this? http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431359

Well, I'm back after a rather long leave of absence. I'm just hoping I still have any land.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431433

The Official IC thread for the Earth II League of Nations....

Thread added, Pelep you're good.

You do realize he lives in Alabama and he's under Hurricane Dennis right now right?

Really?

Crap. Ah well, I give him a few days. After all, now it's just a tropical depression, and it can't take THAT long to get the internet back up.

Territorial Representation Within The Senate (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431519)

Senate Approves Budget (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431284)

I may get involved in that League of Nations... will have to see.

Uh, Layarteb, I pulled out of Tanzania and Kenya a while ago, they are Yelm's again.

Hmm... I will join the League of Nations

Hello people. Just popping by to let you all know that I'm still alive and relatively well, but I won't be home from vacation untill tommorrow, so don't expect any huge RPing tonight. I'll leave that for tommorrow (or the day after the day after tommorrow (the 15th), because I turn 18 on the day after tommorrow (the 14th), in other words PARTY TIME!!!)

Also, I'd like to offer my condolences to anyone of you who might be a Londoner, and say to hell with the terrorists! Terrorism is the most cowardly way of making a statement, and those who do it are the most cowardly bastards on Earth, and I wish the British police and 22nd SAS Regiment (though the Brits insist that they don't exist, but I know that they do ;) ) good luck tracking them down and handing them the appropriate punishment.

I concur Cotland.. terrorisms ends does not justify the means. The rainbow warrior is New zealands only real act of international terrorism. and then the stupid perpitraitors got caught days after. (Idiots)....

Whoa....

Decree 2: As a member of Earth II, you are a member of Earth II. In such, Earth II's lack of multiplanetarism limit members to only Earth II. Nations that are part of Earth II are asked not to have anything in any other Earth, regardless of time period, creator, situation, or preference. If you wish to enjoy the fruits of another Earth then let it be said that you may leave Earth II if you please and no ill contempt or opinion shall be said of you. As of post #139 & #181, this has taken place. Nations that were part of more than just Earth II prior to post #139 were allowed to keep their possessions in other Earths but are subject to the following guidelines. First and foremost, they are limited to 150,000 square miles (a 7,500 square mile buffer has been allotted). Secondly, that they use a puppet in either Earth II or the other Earth(s) that they are a part of. Marimaia and Layarteb do check infrequently and will post violations and inform said violators whether by a post here or through telegram or both. Said nations are required to inform both Marimaia and Layarteb of their puppet status. The claim is static and cannot increase but can be invaded and attacked as any other nation. I do ask that other participants please be considerate and remember, they can defend themselves. Renouncing the claims to another Earth make you a full member and therein, not subject to these conditions. No participant can have more than one nation in Earth II.

I just realized that I'm in direct violation of this directive. I've always treated my holdings in Earth II as colonies of the United Empire, which is located on 'regular' earth/free-form NationStates land. My reign of colonialism on Earth II ends abruptly, I guess, and as such it might be a good thing that Soviet Bloc and Layarteb are prearing to gang up on me to steal away my E2 holdings (rather than simply asking me....)

Just a reminder to Lay to put me on decree 13. I believe I'll be back around the end of the month sometime, plans aren't all that exact.

Whoa....



I just realized that I'm in direct violation of this directive. I've always treated my holdings in Earth II as colonies of the United Empire, which is located on 'regular' earth/free-form NationStates land. My reign of colonialism on Earth II ends abruptly, I guess, and as such it might be a good thing that Soviet Bloc and Layarteb are prearing to gang up on me to steal away my E2 holdings (rather than simply asking me....)

Nope, it isn't in direct violation at all. This is against the other Earths out there. To be a part of E2 you HAVE to be a part of NS, therein that massive NS-earth with everyone in the game on it is full legit.

ITD: RPs added.

Kreynoria: Okay.

Elephantum: You got it.

Layarteb is ranked 3rd in the region and 767th in the world for Largest Defense Forces (per capita).

What do you guys rank?

Umm Lay, you deleted the claims list and you have 2 rp lists

and im 3693th i think

Nope, it isn't in direct violation at all. This is against the other Earths out there. To be a part of E2 you HAVE to be a part of NS, therein that massive NS-earth with everyone in the game on it is full legit.

Oh....I see. :)

Just checking in. Been busy with football and all so I won't be on for a bit.

Umm Lay, you deleted the claims list and you have 2 rp lists

and im 3693th i think

Not anymore.

Layarteb is ranked 3rd in the region and 767th in the world for Largest Defense Forces (per capita).

What do you guys rank?

1,580th in the world; still pretty large.

1,262nd in the world for defense forces. I dropped like 600 spots from May.

That's what not answering any issues will do for you

1st in my region and 2537th in per capital spending.


-Hawdawg

What happened to my claim of Paraguay and Uruguay? I gave up Argentina but I kept those two. Well, no matter. I can just take them back.

Hmm...Pelep...I gotta research that.

I am 3rd in my region and 912th in the world in Largest Defense Forces per capita.

Hyperbia is ranked 4th in the region and 1,461st in the world for Largest Defense Forces (per capita).
I dropped from 600 in the past few months but then I also dropped my income tax from 100% to 13%.
Damn my citizens wanting to keep their money for their work.

I confirm what Euroslavia said about giving me all of his lands.

Oh, and...

North Germania is ranked 3rd in the region and 394th in the world for Largest Defense Forces (per capita).

Gotcha NG. Pelep, I have no idea how they got into Varsola's hands to be hoenst. Varsola, any idea?

RomeW is ranked 6th in the region and 93,272nd in the world for Largest Defense Forces (per capita).

So says the game. However, I don't care for those stats anyway.

1. Most of the game stats mean didly-squat here.

2. NG, you're on! Now respond to the flaming bakery!

1. Most of the game stats mean didly-squat here.

Well, the population does. After that I agree- they don't seem to matter.

I accept Euroslavia's part of Turkey.

Sorry for the double post, but, after checking the maps, can I give up Sonora for Uruguay and Paraguay and Argentina? Possible?

That's how Varsola got his hands on them. I'm tempted to make a shameless land grab, but I'll see what he has to say about it first.



Oh, and Layarteb I saw that you conquered French Guiana. Just be aware that New Jyria was in the middle of turning it into a massive metropolis. The whole country, like Star Wars Coruscant style. He actually had some pretty cool ideas about it. I just wanted you to know what you were taking over.

1. Most of the game stats mean didly-squat here.

2. NG, you're on! Now respond to the flaming bakery!

Shouldn't that be Diddley Squat? :confused:

NTG: Oki doki, they are yours.

Pelep: Yeah I remember that, you were tossing some of your land out. Something came around and you got busy. I think I telegrammed you and you said okay to the whole Argentina thing. I think that's how it got into his hands, tbh. I haven't had much luck looking at the previous posts so I am drawing a blank. I see a post where they are white but I am not sure how they got white in the first place, tbh. And yes I am aware of what was happening in FG. I've established it as a protectorate basically. That means, while legit under 21-days, it is like sorta under my control. It flies the flag of the empire but is independent.

Wish Cotland a Happy Birthday (we're all a day or two late but WTF).

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Happy Birthday Cotland.

Bump.

Happy Birthday Cotland.

x2

Thanks you guys. I really appreciate it.

:: sheds a tear ::

We were going to get you some Fembots but we ran out of funding after the phone call.

Happy birthday, Cotland! Sorry I'm late.

I am back from D13

and Happy Birthday Cotland, who knows how many days late I am.

I am back from D13

and Happy Birthday Cotland, who knows how many days late I am.

Gotcha. You are off the list.

GET HARRY POTTER & THE HALF BLOOD PRINCE OR I WILL VANQUISH YOU!

GET HARRY POTTER & THE HALF BLOOD PRINCE OR I WILL VANQUISH YOU!
:: targets Layarteb City with 70 ICBM regiments ::

Harry Potter... why? :confused:

*gets angry*

*loads shotgun*

Harry Potter... why? :confused:

*gets angry*

*loads shotgun*

I will vanquish thee heathen!

Ha Ha my wife is reading it now. Herminie (sp?) is gonna hook up with Ron and Harry is gonna hook up with Ron's little sister.


Hope I spoiled it for ya'll.


-Hawdawg

Ha Ha my wife is reading it now. Herminie (sp?) is gonna hook up with Ron and Harry is gonna hook up with Ron's little sister.


Hope I spoiled it for ya'll.


-Hawdawg

Dude anyone whose read HP since book 1 knows that one dude. Sorry buddy.

BTW anyone who puts in spoilers is gonna get them deleted by the mods by my request... :) No spoilers!!! There's a thread in general with spoilers, go there if you want.

Everyone who wants my oil-rich Caucasus lands is not gonna get them... mehehehehehehhehehe. I'm still alive. Layerteb can you change my name and the map and crap to Sparta please?

Everyone who wants my oil-rich Caucasus lands is not gonna get them... mehehehehehehhehehe. I'm still alive. Layerteb can you change my name and the map and crap to Sparta please?

Sure.

Bold words, Spartan. Coincidentally, did you know I was planning an RP against you? Prepare yourself, Spartans.

Kreynoria']Bold words, Spartan. Coincidentally, did you know I was planning an RP against you? Prepare yourself, Spartans.

Oh. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

5700 is mine!

57 is a magical number and my personal number, therein the number of my Empire!

Cotland: Do you wish to cooperate in the construction of a canal connecting the Black and Caspian seas? I would like some overseas access...

Cotland: Do you wish to cooperate in the construction of a canal connecting the Black and Caspian seas? I would like some overseas access...

I smell a serious requirement for funding. The EOL has just that.

Kreynoria']Bold words, Spartan. Coincidentally, did you know I was planning an RP against you? Prepare yourself, Spartans.




So, if you are dumb enough to reveal so, would you tell me everything in specific detail?

*evil laugh*

I smell a serious requirement for funding. The EOL has just that.

We would appreciate any help or funds you can provide for the project.

Actually, I am running into simple problems of how I am going to get into your territory, and how I am going to cancel out your 5 to 1 advantage in numbers of infantry. And your country actually has no idea about the invasion, seeing as this is OOC. My plan is still on the drawing board, but perhaps your canal could play to my advantage.

We would appreciate any help or funds you can provide for the project.

Naturally, our funding would come at a price, yes. Oil exportation, we surmise, is the need for this canal. Perhaps the EOL could purchase some at lesser prices?

My two threads are finished. I have one new one. It concerns you Layarteb.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9275276#post9275276

So then kreynoria (i didn't capitalize your name on purpose mwahahahaha), I get the point. You could load up ur African fortress on boats and sail it through the Gibraltar Strait, up the mediteranean sea, into the black sea, through the canal and into the caspean.

Naturally, our funding would come at a price, yes. Oil exportation, we surmise, is the need for this canal. Perhaps the EOL could purchase some at lesser prices?


Yes I will reduce oil prices in sales to your nation. The benefits of the expanded trade via the canal will hopefully offset the cost of the oil. We look forward to your aid in the construction of the canal.

Yes I will reduce oil prices in sales to your nation. The benefits of the expanded trade via the canal will hopefully offset the cost of the oil. We look forward to your aid in the construction of the canal.

We shall, in that respect, provide funding.

Open Communique to Nations of the World

The Empire of Layarteb hereby requests the help of any and all international nations wishing to do so in retrospect to a brewing and possible war with Yelm off South America. Those nations that assist shall have their campaigns paid for by the Empire of Layarteb.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432823

Secret Communique to NAANP Members

The EOL is currently in need of military assistance against the nation of Yelm, who is massing a fleet off our coast at Ecuador. Our request is hereby posted and we would appreciate any and all help.

Wow you Spartans are more numskulled than I thought. You did not mention the need to secure authorization from Nikolaos the Great's Greater Greece before sailing through the Dardanelles and the Bosporus. Anyway, I'd probably try to get permission to use the Suez Canal from Cotland to save time. And fortress or forces? And my force of 1,200,000 infantry are to establish a beachead against your 7,000,000?

Kreynoria']Wow you Spartans are more numskulled than I thought. You did not mention the need to secure authorization from Nikolaos the Great's Greater Greece before sailing through the Dardanelles and the Bosporus. Anyway, I'd probably try to get permission to use the Suez Canal from Cotland to save time. And fortress or forces? And my force of 1,200,000 infantry are to establish a beachead against your 7,000,000?



For one thing, the authorization only comes to my advantage, mwahahahaha. Anyway, fortress, forces, who cares. But at the beachead you got a point. We outnumber you almost 6-1 as far as infintry goes. Not to mention your used to the 88 degree farenhight(which i spelled wrong on purpose too,lol) per day temperture. And if you think it isn't cold in the winters, look at the Battle of Stalingrad's battlefield-covered in snow.(let alone red snow from blood as the field will be covered with yours)

And if you're wondering, I don't care about my grammar mistakes.

OK, Sparta, you just lost all respect I had for you (fairly high). Only three kinds of people post the way you do: morons, idiots, and f00bs (foolish noobs). We thinks you fit all three categories. And by the way, you spelled infantry infinitry. Random crowds starts shouting:

"WACKO, WACKO, WACKO!!"

1. Layarteb! The Claims List Is Gone! Oh Noez!

2. Kreynoria, cut him some slackz0rz, wills ya? Look at the amount of posts he has! Not very many!

3. Layarteb, you have the Carthagianian American Expeditionary Force at your service!

back again peeps.

just catching up on global events. you know the score. il be on more often now. so thats a good thing :)

sounds likes kreynorias going to war with sparta dominion over his grammer.... lol (english wouldnt be R.l. spartas (in modern greece i think or was it turkey?) official language ya know)

back again peeps.

just catching up on global events. you know the score. il be on more often now. so thats a good thing :)

sounds likes kreynorias going to war with sparta dominion over his grammer.... lol (english wouldnt be R.l. spartas (in modern greece i think or was it turkey?) official language ya know)

Has Guinea, Burkino Faso and Ghana been claimed, if not I would like to do so. (They are marked white on the Africa map.

wow... I havn't posted for a day and look what happens... 2 wars...fun...

Well I would cut Sparta some slack, but I know him personnaly so :gundge:

Open Communique to Nations of the World

The Empire of Layarteb hereby requests the help of any and all international nations wishing to do so in retrospect to a brewing and possible war with Yelm off South America. Those nations that assist shall have their campaigns paid for by the Empire of Layarteb.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432823

Secret Communique to NAANP Members

The EOL is currently in need of military assistance against the nation of Yelm, who is massing a fleet off our coast at Ecuador. Our request is hereby posted and we would appreciate any and all help.



Change the plans? Perhaps to repay you for the canal project, I could help you with the war :sniper: :gundge: :mp5: Funds, oil for tanks, weponry, you name it. :D

Attention: I have decided to join the Newbie Earth in order to get a larger claim. I will still participate in Earth II, but my empire in Earth Newbs is just an alternate reality, with absolutely no interaction with my empire in E2. I guess you can consider me to have multi-Earth status, and I will keep to the limit of 150,000 sq. miles.

Kreynoria']Well I would cut Sparta some slack, but I know him personnaly so :gundge:

Now the whole bitterness thing becomes clear. If you know him in RL I would advise against going to war, friendly rivalry leads to not wanting to accept defeat anywhere.

I know ... it happened to me once... but I still won :rolleyes:

I'd aid in funding for a Black Sea-Caspian Canal. You'll have to aquire the proper permissions of course, and we'd expect something in return for our troubles. I see the huge benefit to such a venture and am eager to help with its completion.

I've rescinded my claims to Earth Newb. Its a bunch of biching f00bs arguing over metric units. Count me E2 exclusive.

I don't know about the feasability of this, but what if we have an EII World Mpa, or at least hemisphere maps (North, South, East, West) to present a general overview of the world?

I tried doing something like that a while back. It turned out to be more trouble than it was worth, though. You're free to try, if you want.

I'd aid in funding for a Black Sea-Caspian Canal. You'll have to aquire the proper permissions of course, and we'd expect something in return for our troubles. I see the huge benefit to such a venture and am eager to help with its completion.


Thanks. I really appretiate the help. I can temporarily lower oil prices to you as a reward. :) :D

Kreynoria']Attention: I have decided to join the Newbie Earth in order to get a larger claim. I will still participate in Earth II, but my empire in Earth Newbs is just an alternate reality, with absolutely no interaction with my empire in E2. I guess you can consider me to have multi-Earth status, and I will keep to the limit of 150,000 sq. miles.


Hey f00b-as you call it-so have I. I definately agree about the f00bs-as you call them-arguing about whether or not they have too much land. I got huge claims there and i could crush you to dust if I could get my men to where you are on it. Unfortunately, they didn't make the maps so I don't know where you are, and I'm not bothering to check it out on the globe. :( :gundge:

As Cotland said, looks like we've got another WW, Layarteb!

How ab00t we put all the theatre threads(we've got 2 so far, maybe more are on the way) into a World War II Category :D.

Well what do you know. We've got a war and I'm caught in the middle of it. :S However, I'm not sure if this is a "world" conflict just yet- I mean, so far it's Yelm vs. everyone else. Doesn't seem like a fair fight if you ask me.

OT:

As some of you may know, I'm a history major at York University. One of my pet projects being in history is counterfactual history (that is, tweaking history around- hence my nation here). Anyway, I've spent several months on a counterfactual history project and, while it's not yet completely done, I'm happy I finally have something to post. You can see it here:

www.geocities.com/vicendum

Special note: it's NOT NS-based at all, so this is not another "NS Earth". Also, TLS, if you can guess, I got the idea about Carthage from you, but that's the extent of it- my state is different than yours.

Anyway, I hope you guys like it. Don't worry about content since there's still a lot more work left to do, as it's on-going.

Well what do you know. We've got a war and I'm caught in the middle of it. :S However, I'm not sure if this is a "world" conflict just yet- I mean, so far it's Yelm vs. everyone else. Doesn't seem like a fair fight if you ask me.

OT:

As some of you may know, I'm a history major at York University. One of my pet projects being in history is counterfactual history (that is, tweaking history around- hence my nation here). Anyway, I've spent several months on a counterfactual history project and, while it's not yet completely done, I'm happy I finally have something to post. You can see it here:

www.geocities.com/vicendum

Special note: it's NOT NS-based at all, so this is not another "NS Earth". Also, TLS, if you can guess, I got the idea about Carthage from you, but that's the extent of it- my state is different than yours.

Anyway, I hope you guys like it. Don't worry about content since there's still a lot more work left to do, as it's on-going.


WOW!

That are great!

(I also like how Poland is uber-huge and powerful!)

ONE problem though.

On the Bengladesh map, you made the captial "Dhakar", which is the capital of Senegal. The are that you put "Dhakar" in would be the Chittagong area, and the capital is in RL Dacca, which is in the center of the country.

ONE problem though.

On the Bengladesh map, you made the captial "Dhakar", which is the capital of Senegal. The are that you put "Dhakar" in would be the Chittagong area, and the capital is in RL Dacca, which is in the center of the country.

I thought Bangladesh's capital was spelt Dahkar...well, I knew there'd be mistakes...thanks TLS. By the way, I hope you don't mind I used your nation's idea, because I liked it (and it's logical too).

WOW!

That are great!

(I also like how Poland is uber-huge and powerful!)

Thank you.

Hey, I figured it'd make sense...besides, I feel bad for the Poles, considering their history...

That's a very impressive piece of work there, Rome. I envy your patience in being able to accomplish something of that magnitude. I'm simply not capable.


But oh man, the Irish are even worse off in your alternate reality. They're partitioned like six times.

Layarteb, the territories of Azerbajian and Georgia is to go to Andrehervia.

That's a very impressive piece of work there, Rome. I envy your patience in being able to accomplish something of that magnitude. I'm simply not capable.


But oh man, the Irish are even worse off in your alternate reality. They're partitioned like six times.

Thank you.

Actually, Ireland proper is split 13 times (Dundalk, Omagh, Belfast, Dublin, Muflingar, Cavan, Carrick, Clontibret, South Ulster, Donegal, Doire, Hibernia and Wexford), although most of the Republic of Ireland is Roman (as the province of Hibernia). Wexford I hand to the British because they seem too stubborn to let go of anything Irish.

How do the Norwegians hold up in your alternate reality then?

How do the Norwegians hold up in your alternate reality then?

I've attempted to maintain Norway's actual boundaries in Vicendum (one of the few- if only- states that are actually preserved fully from RL) and the country's basically the same only with a few differences- "Roman Sweden" (formerly a Roman colony) and the Kingdom of Denmark border Norway, who now don't need a defended border (considering Norway's Western leanings and the fact the Romans represent the West in this version).

Here's the European map:

http://www.geocities.com/vicendum/europe.png

There is now a blockade on the great lakes for any ships travelling to Colerica.


And I still claim those African territories which have sorta slipped back three pages...

I don't mind you using my Idea for Carthage at all!

However, I just have an itty-bitty question. Why does Rome only control about half of Italy?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9285857#post9285857

a meeting between the heads of states of RomeW + Celtayoshi, my mistake for leaving E2 out of the title, pretty tired and hungry right now.

I don't mind you using my Idea for Carthage at all!

However, I just have an itty-bitty question. Why does Rome only control about half of Italy?

Thanks. I figured I should ask at least.

Anyway, about Italy (by the way, I am Italian by background if that wasn't clear at all): Italy- like Germany- has a long history of division, from before the Roman times to the Medieval and Early Modern Period where Italian cities served as power bases as royal families jockied for control of Europe, and while most Italians don't have very many differences today, those political divisions still linger (for example, northern Italy is actually threatening to separate because they feel like they've just simply "fed the South"). In fact, even during the Roman period Italy was still pretty divided- just south of Rome (in Naples, labelled here in its original name as "Neapolis") was a strong Greek-speaking contingent, and I've preserved them in the Southern states (who retain their ancient names). Samnium is the Samnites, the people that Rome needed 38 years to subdue. Ascoli is a throwback to the Medieval period, Ravenna is supposed to be the Polish-Roman state (like the one I'll craft in your thread) and the Cisalpine Republic represents the current Northern Italian (and capitalist) separatists. The rest is Roman, because that's more the part of Italy that is "Western" (I know that Milan and Turin are really Northern cities, but I like Inter Milan and the car company Fiat (based in Milan and Turin respectively), so I keep them as Roman :D Plus, I do need a connection to Narbon...)

I am toying with the idea of Italian unity however, with maybe a war for Italy between the Byzantines and Romans (who are really the two halves of one state but are so ideologically dissimilar that they hate each other).

EDIT- New thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9286117#post9286117 (Quebec Separatism)

I like that alternate earth... I see Britain still owns part of France :)

As part of your alternate Earth, could you explain how the Romans managed to survive the barbarian hordes and become one of the most powerful and influential states in the world?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432823&page=6&pp=15

Here is the All against yelm link.

Neuvo Rica: That section is Brittany, whose name I believe made it an obvious choice to include with Britain (besides, the Bretons have always wanted to get away from France). Besides, they're Celtic, like the Welsh and Irish are and thus have a connection to Britain anyway.

Kreynoria: Quite simple actually. Technically speaking, the Roman State itself survived the Germanic invasions- it just lived on as the Byzantine Empire (and, I argue, also the Ottoman Empire, but that's a different argument). Now, in actual history, there was actually a Western Roman Emperor to 480 (Julius Nepos) and while in RL Nepos was killed by Odoacer, I twist things a little bit so that it's Nepos who gets the upper hand. Nepos was also an amazing diplomat and a capable ruler so that change wouldn't be unlikely. Plus, the Germans respected the institution of the Western Empire, and if it ever became strong again they wouldn't interfere with it (in fact, the Ostrogoths actually offered Belisarius the title of "Western Emperor" but he refused). Of course, considering that the Germans had the real power throughout much of the "West" meant that any new Western Emperor couldn't lay claim to the rest of the West, only part of it. This is where Nepos' ability as a diplomat comes in, because here he'd be able to negotiate the continuation of the West (and, in my case, an alliance with the Visigoths and Vandals that would end Rome's real threats). My arguement is that if Nepos- or, really, any of the late Western Emperors- had any foresight and urgency they just may have been able to restore the State. In fact, that's usually why most of the greatest Empires fall- they have a lack of leadership at the top (the same thing happened to the Ottomans, who even had a saying in regards to this: "when a fish begins to rot, it starts with its head.").

That's fair enough then - not that I was ever arguing it.