NationStates Jolt Archive

It really works however people want it to work. The Theory of NationStates Relativity, after all, states "Meh."
(i) It working so that she ages at the same rate as the native residents of the land in which she's working & living, which would be twice as fast as people back home, I can see.
(ii) It working so that she continues to age at the same rate as she would back home, but consequently takes twice as long to do anything as the locals (and is therefore no use to them as a footballer) I can see.
(iii)It working so that she ages at the same rate as people back home, but lives at the same rate as other people in the land where she's living & working, I don't see very easily. I suppose that this situation could work if people in both nations are actually living & ageing at the same rate but Dancougar is moving towards the future (in some 'quantum' sense) twice as fast as Bears Armed is from the viewpoint of a hypothetical outside observer... but then she'd be playing in World Cups twice as often (in her subjective time) as the native Dancougar-ite/ian/er/ish players would, so that when they start WC47 she'd be starting WC48 and should already know how that earlier contest worked-out... ;) ... and then there'd be the problem of which year it was for her when one of our national teams played a match in the other nation... She'd probably have to be in two places at once, subjectively, which is the sort of thing that I'd rather leave to the Dreamed Realm...
As for the season, it's set up to be 34 games played between August and May.That's a lonnng season (and wouldn't let her spend enough time back home to reduce the difference in ageing rates between herself and her friends & family).

Bears Armed, couldn't you just have her age at whatever rate you feel like? Ultimately you're in charge of the character, right?But what I feel like is that there should be a "reasonable" rationale for how she ages, relative to the flows of time in the nations concerned. The Bears might sometimes be a source of OOC amusement for me (See the national motto, and national animal...) but I'd still prefer not have them be the subject of any outright paradox.

@Bears Armed:

You could just have a different method of chronology.

1 day in Bears Armed = 1 year in Randomn00bistein?
But she wouldn't be in "Randomn00bistein", she'd be in 'Dancougar', so this would be the solution '(i)' that I've already mentioned above. While there, for most of the year given what Dancougar has said about the length of the country's Soccer season, she'd be ageing at twice the rate of her friends & family back home... which she simply isn't willing to do.


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"Sigh!"
Considering the number of international games that need fitting into the schedule, going over to a rate of 4 years per WC for Bears Armed too would probably make sense... but, "Oh!", the amount of extra work that that would involve...
Ursines don't live for as long as humans, on average, and although they're likely to remain vigorous for a higher proportion of their lifespans I'd still need to change players (and team staff, and even journalists) more frequently than Human nations operating on the same time-scale.
And I've already sorted out how the national government works, with the 'Chairbear of the High Council of Clans' being replaced annually (so that each of the 12 'major' clans gets a regular turn at holding that position...) and a strong possibility of some or all of the government's other ministers being replaced at the same time, so those details will need keeping up to date as well...

Plus, the rest of this nation's home region (from which I am NOT going to move Bears Armed, because apart from anything else the national maps fit firmly into the regional one...) 'is currently rather inactive, so I'd have to create my nation's future history for WC RP without much (if any) input from them and then present it to them as an established fact as-&-when.


"Grrrrrr!"
I suppose that I probably will make this change to the time-stream, removing the only serious obstacle to the player's move, but I need to sort out some of these details first.
Fortunately I've got about two weeks off from work starting this Thursday, so that should give me the necessary time in which to do so...

Who is the best player in the world currently?

Laborious Hawk? Valrauncion? Ug-Ug? Stick a pin in a map, really.

But she wouldn't be in "Randomn00bistein", she'd be in 'Dancougar', so this would be the solution '(i)' that I've already mentioned above. While there, for most of the year given what Dancougar has said about the length of the country's Soccer season, she'd be ageing at twice the rate of her friends & family back home... which she simply isn't willing to do.

Actually, what I was saying is this:

She spends one year in Dancougar according to the calendar of Bears Armed. In Dancougar, the same time frame that is in Dancougar is in fact two years Dancougar time.

She could still age one year by the Bears Armed calendar, even if the Dancougar calendar goes twice as fast.

For example:

According to the Han official calendar, every Han year is 60 RL days. Assuming the standard period of time between World Cups is 4 years, and that 60 RL days corresponds exactly to one World Cup period, although my citizens would age at the rate 1 year every 60 RL days, most other countries would age them four times as much. So any Han citizen aged 40-years-old by my calendar would in fact be 160-years-old by other calendars. Now the 1 WC = 60 RL days is not true (I should know :p), so the discrepancy is in fact different, but the standard 1 Han year = 60 RL days remains constant, so I can perfectly age my citizens according to my calendar, regardless of how much time they spend overseas (nevermind the fact that I've lousy at the recent census reports...).

Laborious Hawk? Valrauncion? Ug-Ug? Stick a pin in a map, really.

*sticks a pin in Sweeden*

Lack of BoF/WC bids bothering anyone else yet?

Well, it irks me some, but I'm already full. BTW, I believe Ad'ihan/Kelssek had a WC interest statement somewheres (or at least someone misreported that statement in the NSWC Sign-up thread)

Hmmm... The BoF... I'm interested.

I should poke a senior around here to co-host it with me. After my fist set of school exams next week I have five weeks of almost nothing until my central exams. There should be room enough to host the Baptism of Fire (with some backup from an experienced nation, preferably. If interested, please TG or post here?).

Lack of BoF/WC bids bothering anyone else yet?
Must....resist....urge....to....host....

... looong explanation ...

Well, we sort of have two clocks in play here. One is the "biological clock" which determines the aging rate, and the other is the "national clock," for lack of a better term, which determines the calendar. Both are controlled by completely separate processes.

Here's the best analogy I can think of. Say that Dancougarans are from Earth and bears are from Mars. According to the Dancougaran calendar, World Cups take place every four years, while a bear waiting has to wait only two years between them. Roughly. This is because the national clocks, which are based on solar revolutions, are different.

But biological clocks are completely separate. Say that a Dancougaran intern goes to Mars and chills with the bears. He doesn't age any slower than he did before, and subtracting the mobility inhibition due to wearing a bulky spacesuit, he doesn't move any differently, either. Okay, we're ignoring gravity, too... so let's assume a terraformed, super dense Mars. So, likewise, a bear coming to Earth ages at the same rate as she did before and moves just as freely, but she notes that these weird Dancougarans celebrate everything twice.

So the only quirk we've added is that Dancougar and Bears Armed are supposedly on the same world. My interpretation is that they reside within individual time bubbles which alter their respective national clocks, but they maintain their biological clocks when passing between regions.

That said: your call. You shouldn't have to bend your calendar to my will. Heck, even if this all works, that means you player has less rest between Dancougaran regular seasons, which would be another potential issue. I'm fine with whatever you decide :-)

Must....resist....urge....to....host....

Psst... How 'bout a nice co-host?

Laborious Hawk? Valrauncion? Ug-Ug? Stick a pin in a map, really.
Darren Scotland. That is all.

Psst... How 'bout a nice co-host?
I'll jump in if no-one else does...

I'll jump in if no-one else does...

Right, I'll keep you on that promise. Just so you know that. :p

Right, I'll keep you on that promise. Just so you know that. :p
Oh, smeg. :p

Hmmm... next three weekends of April I'm going to be without stable internet, so I'd need cover. But after that... oh man... I might be able to totally host something.

I don't have the software or the inclination to host. Otherwise, I'd consider joining a hosting bid.

I don't have the software or the inclination to host. Otherwise, I'd consider joining a hosting bid.

The first part we can fix; that latter part is yuz own problem, laddie!

Yeah. I at least have suitable stadia now thanks to Kura-Pelland! :D

Yeah. I at least have suitable stadia now thanks to Kura-Pelland! :D

bah! that doesn't stop us! :p

Who is the best player in the world currently?

That was the 9000th post?
egads!

as for BoF hosting, Since Internet Access for myself is still spotty at best, for at least the next week or two, as much as i would like to do it, I can't (also still tweaking my scorinator around a bit as well..)

bah! that doesn't stop us! :p

But ... but ... YOU'RE INSANE! :p

Qazox, this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=588557) was not needed at all, and quite frankly it's the kind of nonsense that clogs this forum up that gets non-sports RPers angry at us.

Qazox, this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=588557) was not needed at all, and quite frankly it's the kind of nonsense that clogs this forum up that gets non-sports RPers angry at us.

It's all for fun, man :tongue:

It's all for fun, man :tongue:

I agree with LE on that one. That's way too overboard. This forum is meant for RPing basically, so an OOC thread on an OOC thread is not going to be considered well.

It's all for fun, man :tongue:

No, it's unwanted spam that is likely the type that gets non-sports RPers angry at us for clogging up the forum as LE as shown. Even I think it's ridiculous and I'm an avid sports RPer.

IT was an APRIL FOOL'S JOKE guys.. Duh!

(asking a mod to delete it now.. jeez....)

To either CoH co-host: Is tomorrow an off-day or a game day?

Marvellous question Newmanistan and one which I can't fully answer sorry. From my end there is nothing to suggest it isn't a match-day, so it may be best to treat it as such.. But I'm sure Han will be able to clarify -- just not sure when that'll be!

Marvellous question Newmanistan and one which I can't fully answer sorry. From my end there is nothing to suggest it isn't a match-day, so it may be best to treat it as such.. But I'm sure Han will be able to clarify -- just not sure when that'll be!

Historically (all competitions not just football/soccer), it's about 50-50 whether there's a break between the group stage and the knockouts. Usually I'll schedule an off-day, but will prepare for game action.

Hmmm... next three weekends of April I'm going to be without stable internet, so I'd need cover. But after that... oh man... I might be able to totally host something.

Not to deter your interest in possibly hosting the BoF, but this is precisely the time I plan on getting World Bowl 6 underway. (Draft weekend). Hint, hint. ;)

Not to deter your interest in possibly hosting the BoF, but this is precisely the time I plan on getting World Bowl 6 underway. (Draft weekend). Hint, hint. ;)

Actually that opens up a lot of space. I was assuming that since Qazox might be on and off, and since you were busier than before that I might have to eventually get World Bowl 6 together. [the horror!!!]

I am officially stating my interest to host the Baptism of Fire with or without a partner. Preferably with, for everyone's sake.

Not to deter your interest in possibly hosting the BoF, but this is precisely the time I plan on getting World Bowl 6 underway. (Draft weekend). Hint, hint. ;)

But wouldn't you want me to potentially RP less? :-P I was thinking more of bidding for the next CoH rather than the BoF, but we'll see what the time schedule works out to be.

Anybody else shocked that AIF made it to the final considering that in the 30 or so cups before this neither Archreigmancy or AIF made it past the QUARTERFINALS! and now he's not even here to celebrate.

The Archregimancy reached the semifinals in WC42, losing to Zwangzug and then defeating Bostopia to end in the third place.

But yes, that's surprising anyway.

So does anyone want to catch me up on recent World Cup History?

Valanora came, saw and conquered.

Starblaydia came, saw and conquered.

And once I came, saw, but didn't conquer...

Well, the NS Wiki page is still the best way to get the info about past WCs: of course, this is a link to be followed (http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=World_Cup)

Valanora came, saw and conquered.

Starblaydia came, saw and conquered.

Nations have returned [Sarzonia and Hypocria, to name two] and a couple [Quakmybush and Rejistania] are about to return. Plus, Squornshelous is back with a new nation.

#define came (watched cartoons about giant robots)
#define saw (wrote RPs containing giant robots)
#define conquered (was universally panned for his use of giant robots)

Dancougar came, saw, and conquered, too.

Also, I'm about to start playing, so the history of the World Cup is really only beginning. ;)

To either CoH co-host: Is tomorrow an off-day or a game day?

Marvellous question Newmanistan and one which I can't fully answer sorry. From my end there is nothing to suggest it isn't a match-day, so it may be best to treat it as such.. But I'm sure Han will be able to clarify -- just not sure when that'll be!

Out of respect for the historic occasion, the purple-stinging nellies that nominally operate the government (i.e. running Koryatsky around from place to place) will celebrate the C&M - THE WC Final Match by attending in record numbers, along with the Han crickets and crazy whatnot bugs that I've managed to create along the way (I might be an entomologist!)

Quarterfinals will occur the day after.

OOCly, I'm celebrating Kim Chi-woo's free kick that helped beat North Korea with a free round of drinks!

OOCly, I'm celebrating Kim Chi-woo's free kick that helped beat North Korea with a free round of drinks!

Oh great. Now you'll be even MORE insane! :p

Is... That possible?

I doubt it :tongue:

That was my initial thought too...

Oi, Candelaria And Marquez, how dare you to defeat our most dearest Holy Empire? You bastard! You fiend!

...

Congrats mate, you deserved it. Also, first (to congratulate)!

C&M.

Ohmigod.

<3

*pats Joel* I can haz WC champion goalkeeper. *watches as Joel leaves for a big contract elsewhere* Maybe not. :P

Congratulations to Candelaria And Marquez as winner of World Cup 45!

Hey, if said goalie happens to be left of Gandhi, I know of a place he'd love... :D

Well done C & M, top effort.

Congratulations C&M!

Congratulations to Candelaria And Marquez! Nice to see Di Bradini Cups and Cup of Harmony wins can lead to a World Cup title! ;)

Candelaria And Marquez..WTG.. <mumbles something about dang newbs stealing my world cups.....>

WTG S&M ... sorry C&M!

Well done C&M, first BoF 23 nation to win the World Cup I think?

And SN's first World Cup winner in the shape of Eric O'Brien . :D

Thanks to the hosts too, good work.

See: Danhanjeiguk's or CAM's RP's.....

I thought you meant diarrhea of the keyboard with those two... :p

Cheers y’all, and the hosts too for a well-run cup and an unduly high Frequent Liquid Bowel Movement bonus. ;)

‘Tis all a tad ahead of schedule, o’course, but curiously pleasing all the same. From a more neutral perspective, it would’ve been nice to see AIF finally lift the world title, but I guess this run will elevate the Holy Empire back into the higher echelons of the rankings and give them a decent chance of going one better next time around – when, touch wood, Arch’ll actually be around to enjoy it.




But yay!

Congratulations, C&M!

(Even though most of the Bears were cheering for The Holy Empire instead...:p)

Congratulations - one of the best RPers of all time has won it.

That would have been true regardless of who won, but I'm glad it was C&M's time as Arch wasn't around this time around. I really hope that both of his nations, and C&M, become established in the elite through the late 40s. And maybe, just maybe, I will. :)

Congrats C&M!

Valanora came, saw and conquered.

Starblaydia came, saw and conquered.

Candelaria And Marquez came, saw and conquered.

Corrected.

Valanora came, saw and repeatedly conquered.

Starblaydia came back, saw and twice conquered.

Candelaria And Marquez came, saw and eventually conquered.

Everyone else just came and/or saw.

Even better.

Cue everyone else (Qazox) adding themselves in. "I DIDN'T EVEN CAME! NOT FOR FIVE WHOLE CUPS (IN A ROW!)" etc.

Ouch, he must be on the verge of exploding.

Ouch, he must be on the verge of exploding.

...... *facepalm*

...... *facepalm*

Sorry. It just had to be done.

Congratulations! We've managed to fill a whole page (i.e. 15 posts under standard format, +/- the annoying ads) full of congratulztory notes to C&M, who duly deserves the gratz for being the first non-ESF/non-Starblaydia team to win the World Cup in 5 World Cup editions (and Valanora gets credit for having visited the Semifinals for the past 8 World Cups).

But I think we need to sober up and realize that we've got 3 days until the end of the CoH, and we still haven't any formal bids for BoF :p. Unless we want to say "newbs not welcome here"...

On a side-note, anyone figure when's the next DBC?

Congrats CAM, bad luck Arch, lalafloogoo everyone else.

On the BoF: if there is absolutely no one else, I guess I could withdraw my puppet and offer to co-host it with someone more experienced? I have both the latest version of NSFS and the posting hyperactivity of a squirrel that's injected amphetamines into its scrotum.

If there is someone else then shirk shirk shirk you do it.

On a side-note, anyone figure when's the next DBC?

Usually I would have started sign-ups by now, but I'm hosting the 26th AOCAF Cup, too, so... we'll see. If someone else wants to do it, by all means, but I'll be considering it any time soon (though deadline week is next friday, so it won't be then! hehe)

Even better.

Cue everyone else (Qazox) adding themselves in. "I DIDN'T EVEN CAME! NOT FOR FIVE WHOLE CUPS (IN A ROW!)" etc.

:p:p

I'm ready to host the BoF. :)

...... *facepalm*

http://www.latinoreview.com/images/user/picard-facepalm.jpg

... picard ...

http://myspace.roflposters.com/images/rofl/myspace/1208648311182.jpg.%5Broflposters.com%5D.myspace.jpg

Errinundera is happy to host the Baptism of Fire, despite not entering into international competition.

We have hosted it before - BoF 22, preceding WC35.

You can judge how well we did from the Jolt thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=525935) and the NS wiki page (http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=Baptism_of_Frost).

If Errinundera's bid is acceptable we will start 3 days later.

Welcome back, sorta, Erri!

Welcome back, sorta, Erri!

Thanks. I would like to be part of WC50. I'll probably rejoin around WC48 to give myself a chance of qualifying for the bicentenniel Cup.

Thanks. I would like to be part of WC50. I'll probably rejoin around WC48 to give myself a chance of qualifying for the bicentenniel Cup.

Strictly speaking, the bicentennial Cup (assuming, of course, four years between Cups) would be WC51. ;)

Ech. Ad.

Strictly speaking, the bicentennial Cup (assuming, of course, four years between Cups) would be WC51. ;)

Alright already. I'll hang around for that one too. :rolleyes:

Damn, failed to pass the quarterfinals AGAIN. If I fail to qualify for WC46, I'll pull out of sports RPs forever. :(

Dude, don't despair.

I've been here since WC 40 and I haven't even qualified beyond a CoH group stage yet... Might have summat to do with my lack of RPing :P

You have mail. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=588883)

But I think we need to sober up and realize that we've got 3 days until the end of the CoH, and we still haven't any formal bids for BoF :p. Unless we want to say "newbs not welcome here"...
Would if I could, but unfortunately can't guarantee that I'd have enough computer-access at the right times to do the job properly. (And from an IC viewpoint, the country still doesn't have enough 'international-standard' stadiums...)

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/regnans/East%20Gippsland/EFAlogoA.png

Official bid to host Baptism of Fire 33 (Prelude to World Cup 46)

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/regnans/East%20Gippsland/BoF33.png

Errinundera proposes to hold the Baptism of Fire tournament entirely within the Deddick Province.

Errinundera has a proud history in the NationStates World Cup. We were champions in World Cup 7 and Runners Up in World Cup 36. We hosted the Baptism of Fire 22, better known as the Baptism of Frost (held within the Plateau Province).

Of the ten provinces of Errinundera, Deddick is second only to Delegate in terms of population and second only to Plateau in terms of football mania.

As one of the northern provinces in this southern hemisphere nation, it has some of the better weather on offer. The tournament will be held in autumn in ideal football conditions.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/regnans/East%20Gippsland/Map-DeddickProvince.png

The most important city is McKillops Bridge, site of the ancient capital of the Milosian Royal Family. It remains a sore point that, since the 1905 revolution, the capital has been located in First Creek Falls. Not that it matters much in this decentralised nation. McKillops Bridge is home to the Errinundera’s most successful football club, the Kingfishers, who have won 9 Championship Cups, and the competitions most bitter derby rivals, the McKillops Bridge Kingfishers and the Milosis White Guards.

Teams will be based close to Premier and Second Division team grounds in the Deddick Province. Two teams will be based at each ground. The nominated locations are:

Deddick (city) - Stade de siaros, pictured below (capacity 80,000)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/regnans/East%20Gippsland/SiarosStadium.jpg

McKillops Bridge – Liberation Stadium, pictured below (83,000)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/regnans/East%20Gippsland/LiberationStadium.jpg

Milosis – The Coliseum (41,000)
Amboyne Crossing – Punters (55,000)
Tubbut – Marstuna Ground (56,000)
Dellicknora – The Nora (40,000)
Cabanandra – Joyhill Avenue (40,000)
Sawpit – The Snake Pit (25,000)
Pinch Swamp – The Swamp (32,000)

Clubs from the Fédération Deddiquois de Football with better facilities are on standby if extra nations enter.

The scorinator will be much the same as the one I used for BoF22 - a simple excel spreadsheet random number generator with an RP adjustment.

The are two ways to improve the RP adjustment
1. Post a team list – this will provide a significant adjustment
2. Post a match report – the last five match reports will be judged subjectively

I won’t include a style modifier as, without a complex formula, it favours attacking styles.

Cut-off for the BoF will be three days after the announcement, if Errinundera is honoured to be selected as the host.

The draw will be held four days after that and the first match results will be published three days later, giving teams ten days altogether to log team rosters and familiarise themselves with the oddities of Errinundera.

After that results will be posted daily.

The structure will be based on qualifying round robins with eight teams going into the knockout rounds. The final structure will be determined by how many nations enter.

Thank you for your time. Please consider Errinundera’s bid.

OOC: Which RL stadium did you use for Liberation Stadium?

OOC: Which RL stadium did you use for Liberation Stadium?

Stadium Australia, also known these days as ANZ Stadium.

As there is a competing bid, and I actually don't really have the time to host a BoF when I have 8,000 words to write in three weeks, I hereby withdraw my bid and endorse that of Errinundera.

Oh well, the unnecessary update served one minor purpose, anyhow…

Candelaria And Marquez, having entirely forgotten to do so thus far, signs up.

If this post hadn't happened, wouldn't it be funny that The sitting World Cup Champions WOULD NOT BE in the subsequent Cup... LOL.

If this post hadn't happened, wouldn't it be funny that The sitting World Cup Champions WOULD NOT BE in the subsequent Cup... LOL.

Imagine the KPB points hit they'd have if they'd sat out World Cup XLVI!

Errinundera, why use Excel and not NSFS?

Errinundera, why use Excel and not NSFS?

How simple is NSFS? How much scope does it give me for controlling how big a bonus I give for RP?

My Excel scorinator is already set up - I used it in BoF 22 and also use it for my own Provincial Leagues Knockout Competition (most recent series here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14577178&postcount=2259)).

I'm happy to have a look.

NSFS is simple to use when you grasp the XML structure. It's fairly foul proof and there are sample input files for you to use.

As for RP, it doesn't have a seperate RP variable but most add an RP bonus to the KPB points and use KPB with the RP Bonus for scorination.

EDIT: Oh, and you can find it by clicking the link in Veph's Signature

Not that there's anything wrong with Excel, of course. NSFS isn't the only available scorinator.

By that same token, we could always go back to rolling dice ... or worse yet, making up the scores as we go along. :tongue:

Given that there's no rank to consider in the BoF, I think an Excel sheet works fine for that.

By that same token, we could always go back to rolling dice ... or worse yet, making up the scores as we go along. :tongue:

Or we could stick a hamster in a wok (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El0b0-hoU1k) - nothing like breaking out a new tradition :D

I've tried running the NSFS scorinator but my computer doesn't recognise .jar files. A suggestion, someone?

In any case, I've looked at the files and have gained some sort of idea how it works.

The notable thing about the BoF is that all teams are equal - there are no KPB rankings, as someone else pointed out, and no home ground advantage. The benefits I can see by using the NSFS are 1) that scores are normally distributed rather than flatly distributed, and 2) if no RP modifications are included, then the it would be quicker.

Regarding 1)
The purposes of the BoF are to introduce players to the NSWC community (with all its ups and downs) and to provide an initial KPB ranking (tiny in any case). Sophisticated scorinators are not really the point. That scoring 4 goals is as likely as 0 (the range used in my scorinator before RP bonuses) doesn't really matter. It only matters when there is a disparity in the ability of the two teams - there should be a bias toward more goals for the better team and fewer for the weaker team. (Something similar would occur for home ground advantage.)

Regarding 2)
The NSFS has no provision whatsoever for RP bonuses. It is really designed to input the data at the beginning of the competition and then letting it rip. KPB bonuses and home ground advantage don't change over the course of the competition. In contrast, RP modifiers should be updated after each round. My spreadsheet provides for that in a very simple way. It has been pointed out that some competition organisers modify KPB rankings to take into account RP - do they change it after every round?

I think I'll stick with my own scorinator at this stage. Should I ever host the CoH or the WC proper I would certainly use one of the more sophisticated scorinators.

As for point 2: the "<gento>" tag is used to only scorinate upto a certain number of matchedays <gento>2</gento> scorinates 2 matchdays and outpus a "resume.xml" file to continue this on with table data, matchday and fixture data as appropriate.

You might have to get Java for jav files...if you know you have Java. You can always run "java -jar NSFootySim.jar" (Please run this from the folder that NSFS is located in)

Please note: This post is only for information purposes. I do not disagree with Erri's decision as it's his to make. Even though I am affected via my puppet.


As for scoriinator's it doesn't matter what method the scorination takes place whether by Spreadsheet or program... it's the inner workeings the formula as such.

If this post hadn't happened, wouldn't it be funny that The sitting World Cup Champions WOULD NOT BE in the subsequent Cup... LOL.That actually happened once in RL: Uruguay won the first WC, which was held in Uruguay, but to protest the fact that relatively few European nations had gone to South America for that contest they boycotted the nextone...

That actually happened once in RL: Uruguay won the first WC, which was held in Uruguay, but to protest the fact that relatively few European nations had gone to South America for that contest they boycotted the nextone...

And ever since, they've been has-beens apart from the 1950s efforts. They'll be struggling to make next one at the moment.

If this post hadn't happened, wouldn't it be funny that The sitting World Cup Champions WOULD NOT BE in the subsequent Cup... LOL.

Funny, perhaps, though not unprecedented - after winning both WC5 and WC6, Brazillico did not sign up for WC7. Although in that case it was actually deliberate. :p

I've tried running the NSFS scorinator but my computer doesn't recognise .jar files. A suggestion, someone?

As was mentioned earlier, the program requires Java (version 5 or higher, I believe) in order to run, which can be obtained from http://java.sun.com.

Regarding 2)
The NSFS has no provision whatsoever for RP bonuses. It is really designed to input the data at the beginning of the competition and then letting it rip. KPB bonuses and home ground advantage don't change over the course of the competition. In contrast, RP modifiers should be updated after each round. My spreadsheet provides for that in a very simple way. It has been pointed out that some competition organisers modify KPB rankings to take into account RP - do they change it after every round?

You're quite right, it pretty much is designed to just "let it rip", as you say. The ability to generate one matchday at a time, required for any sort of RP bonus implementation, was sort of bolted on later. And indeed, you have described how many (likely all, in the case of NSFS-users) hosts handle RP bonus, as simply a direct modification to the KPBs.

Basically, every scorinator has its strengths and weaknesses, and I'll be the first to admit that handling RP bonuses is one of NSFS's weaknesses. There's absolutely no problem whatsoever with using an Excel sheet or whatever, as long as it gets the job done. :)

Incidentally, on the subject of defending champions, wouldn't it make sense to follow RL practice (as followed until at least 2002) and give them automatic qualification into the World Cup proper alongside the hosts?

You've won me over, Errin.

Incidentally, on the subject of defending champions, wouldn't it make sense to follow RL practice (as followed until at least 2002) and give them automatic qualification into the World Cup proper alongside the hosts?

I've been thinking about that too. (I think it was followed until 2006, but that's just an immaterial nitpick on my part.) I think we should have that, IMO. It could allow one more team to play in qualifying, too, which is always nice IMO.

It's an option, but, well... The World Cup winner mostly ends up in the top 5 KPB rankings anyway and has always qualified since those are introduced. Statement needs verification

Then what does the World Cup Champion get to do for the following Qualification Campaign? That'd be no fun whatsoever to just sit back and watch everyone else play.

Incidentally, on the subject of defending champions, wouldn't it make sense to follow RL practice (as followed until at least 2002) and give them automatic qualification into the World Cup proper alongside the hosts?

NO. Then we'd have only 29 spots open for X number of qualifiers. And then we'd have arguments over the tiebreakers used or the format of the playoffs, etc. TOO MUCH of a headache!

If it ain't broke...

NO. Then we'd have only 29 spots open for X number of qualifiers. And then we'd have arguments over the tiebreakers used or the format of the playoffs, etc. TOO MUCH of a headache!I'm not saying that we should do this, but they seem to manage it okay in RL... ;)

(Seriously? How about 29 groups, with just the top team from each group going through? Groups of 3 = 87 entries needed, apart from the automatic qualifiers [assuming 2 co-hosts], which seems potentially attainable...)

NO. Then we'd have only 29 spots open for X number of qualifiers.

This, I would say, is the main issue. More to the point, 29 is a prime number, which makes it a serious headache to determine a "fair" way to decide the qualifiers.

Of course, we could go back to the system used from World Cups 3 through 6, when there were eight automatic qualifiers (host*, defending champion, and the six other highest-ranked teams)... *ducks flying rotten tomatoes*

* At the time, each Cup had only one host. (Well, depending on how you look at it, WC6 arguably had three, but that's neither here nor there. :p)

Would it be such a terrible idea to just go back to a one-host system, though? Then the only automatic qualifiers would be the one host and the defending champion. Or would that put too much stress on the one host in terms of scorinating?

Would it be such a terrible idea to just go back to a one-host system, though? Then the only automatic qualifiers would be the one host and the defending champion. Or would that put too much stress on the one host in terms of scorinating?

Too much stress on the one host. You know how many fixtures that involves over the course of qualifying, not to mention all the pre-qualifying, mid-qualifying and post-qualifying friendles?

If someone has the inclination or (especially) the time to scorinate every single match, more power to him or her. But I don't think one host can or should be expected to handle the entire World Cup.

If it ain't broke...

This bears repeating. The defending champion is hardly at a risk of not qualifying. So why fix something that isn't broke?

Not to stoke the fire or anything, but there aren't any rules against having the previous World Cup champion automatically qualify. But so far, I haven't seen any World Cup Host make that an option in their hosting bid, and for some reasons already hereto explained in the past few posts, I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Personally, I think the current system of hosts automatically qualifying and everyone else running through qualifying (as it is IRL at the moment) is good enough for us.

Thank ye and good night.

Then what does the World Cup Champion get to do for the following Qualification Campaign? That'd be no fun whatsoever to just sit back and watch everyone else play.


I think this bears repeating too. It would be very dull for whoever held the shiny trophy.

Too much stress on the one host. You know how many fixtures that involves over the course of qualifying, not to mention all the pre-qualifying, mid-qualifying and post-qualifying friendles?

If someone has the inclination or (especially) the time to scorinate every single match, more power to him or her. But I don't think one host can or should be expected to handle the entire World Cup.

I didn't know, no. Thanks for explaining the problem patiently to a newcomer.

I'll cast my lot with the "if it ain't broke, etc." camp.

I think this bears repeating too. It would be very dull for whoever held the shiny trophy.

Could we stop repeating the bears? Please? Why not repeat some catfish?

*sends a purple stinging nellie after Han*

:tongue:

Could we stop repeating the bears? Please? Why not repeat some catfish?

Or repeat some Giraffes.... Who don't like Giraffes?

On the scoranator front there's always the Schia-Qutar International Scoranator!

*Digs around old computer*


Well there will be, after my exam on the 9th then I'm freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee^



^ - To get drunk that is

Hey people, don't forget we could always just have one 87 team group from which 29 teams qualify. That would only require 172 matchdays.

:)

Hey people, don't forget we could always just have one 87 team group from which 29 teams qualify. That would only require 172 matchdays.

:)

I have no problem with that, other than to add the following: ANY non-RPing nation is automatically eliminated after each MD!!!!

Qazox, you really don't have to force your way of NS sports on everyone else. Believe it or not, we're not all your NS slaves who you get to order around.

Yes, because the conversation was clearly very serious.

I don't think *anyone* actually advocates either a 172 matchday qualifying or all non-RPing nations to be automatically eliminated.

Yes, because the conversation was clearly very serious.

I don't think *anyone* actually advocates either a 172 matchday qualifying or all non-RPing nations to be automatically eliminated.

I do ... but then again I might just go an declare myself winner of the whole thing.

On the scoranator front there's always the Schia-Qutar International Scoranator!

*Digs around old computer*


Well there will be, after my exam on the 9th then I'm freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee^



^ - To get drunk that is
The SQIS formula is already in extensive use. A spreadsheet I created around it was used to host WCs 36, 39, and 42, and is currently used for all the new-fangled international (http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=TakilQuip_Champions’_Cup) club (http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=Globe_Cup) competitions (http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=Samseong_Series_B_Champions’_Cup). An as-yet-unreleased version of xkoranate including the formula (albeit with altered style modifiers, that do not provide an advantage to attacking teams) was used to host WC45, and is proposed for use by the current lone bid for WC46.

So, no need for all that digging :p

Qazox, you really don't have to force your way of NS sports on everyone else. Believe it or not, we're not all your NS slaves who you get to order around.

Like Yafor2/Gupta said: It wasn't a serious suggestion.

Norwellia, for about 70% of what I say eat some salt. For the other 30%.. Drink some alcohol... LOL :D

That's a really salty margarita...

The SQIS formula is already in extensive use. A spreadsheet I created around it was used to host WCs 36, 39, and 42, and is currently used for all the new-fangled international (http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=TakilQuip_Champions’_Cup) club (http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=Globe_Cup) competitions (http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=Samseong_Series_B_Champions’_Cup). An as-yet-unreleased version of xkoranate including the formula (albeit with altered style modifiers, that do not provide an advantage to attacking teams) was used to host WC45, and is proposed for use by the current lone bid for WC46.

So, no need for all that digging :p

What someone stole my* formula!!!!! :mad:

* - Schiavonia's

Could somebody explain the entry rules for these competitions, and soon since the deadline is rapidly approaching

Um well enter if you feel like it, then rp if you feel like it. (i believe considring its your first that the BoF is in order).

I meant more, number of teams allowed etc

And by these competitions i did meant the TakilCup etc (The ones in the quote in my previous post)

And Taeshan, this is a puppet of The Islands of Qutar, in case you hadn't noticed my signature

Um up to four for TQCC, 2 for Globe, and four for samseong.

The TakipQuip Champions' Cup (amidoinitrite?) is the most prestegious competition, four participants one one's country go there.

the Globe Cup is the UEFA cup of NS, a maximum of two teams who go directly there.

The Samseong Series B Champions’ Cup is usually meant for second divisions, four teams may participate there.

Salt, alcohol. Got it. My doctor won't be pleased, but to hell with him.

Cripes! I've missed out on Simeone's tournament thingy!

The Dancougar College All-Stars hereby announce a fifteen game friendly series with The Bye...

My congrats to Newmanistan on winning the Cup of Harmony for the third time now?

My congrats to Newmanistan on winning the Cup of Harmony for the third time now?

That would make Newmanistan the most successful nation ever in the Cup of Harmony. Few teams have even got to the final twice, never mind won it twice, let alone winning it three times, either! Well done!

Stupid ad there ->

Well done Newmanistan! My Jeru FC only has one - mainly because it started qualifying for the finals but it had a good record in CoH.

Mr. New President (as you now are with the completion of the CoH), when will you be calling the BoF and WC host votes?

Well done Newmanistan :)

I'm just happy to get to the final!

That would make Newmanistan the most successful nation ever in the Cup of Harmony. Few teams have even got to the final twice, never mind won it twice, let alone winning it three times, either! Well done!

In my high school/college days, I went to several minor league sporting events, and we used to heckle the top players of the other team for never making it to the big time. This distinction really makes me feel like that, "Congratulations to the best minor league player ever!" On one hand an honor, and on the other hand a rather dubious distinction.

It's nice to set a record. Thanks everyone for the congratulations, but it's a record that I will not be looking to add too in Cup of Harmony 38. It's time to qualify. ;)

Thanks to the hosts as well for a smoothly run tournament, other then those stupid nellies, although one of them helped us in the semfinal.

Cripes! I've missed out on Simeone's tournament thingy!

The Dancougar College All-Stars hereby announce a fifteen game friendly series with The Bye...

My money is on the BYE at 62:61.

Is there going to be an Oxen Cup? I know all signs point to "no".

If not, I'm thinking about doing some kind of a fill-in, if there was interest.

Is there going to be an Oxen Cup? I know all signs point to "no".

If not, I'm thinking about doing some kind of a fill-in, if there was interest.

We, as your recent conquest, would be very keen.

Them Falcons would love to fly to Newmanistan, if such a tournament is to be created.

Cripes! I've missed out on Simeone's tournament thingy!

The Dancougar College All-Stars hereby announce a fifteen game friendly series with The Bye...

I wanted to do the Di Bradini Cup too. I say, you, us and the Bears play some kind of mini-tournament! Or we can just send our Di Bradini team to the Oxen Cup or whatever Newmanistan may organize.

I wanted to do the Di Bradini Cup too. I say, you, us and the Bears play some kind of mini-tournament! Or we can just send our Di Bradini team to the Oxen Cup or whatever Newmanistan may organize.

Either option sounds good to me.

If there is enough interest, perhaps ESF could be inclined to wait until there are twenty people, because at the moment, we have 19 interested parties wanting in for the DBC.

The new rankings are here! (http://www.savefile.com/files/2068100)

World Cup 45 promised many changes in the rankings, but in the end the top 3 remained the same, with even the champions Candelaria And Marquez unable to break the barrier. Before the cup, Valanora, Starblaydia and Cafundéu (the only 3 countries with more than 50KPB points at that time) seemed ready to change positions in an unpredictable way, but this didn't happen, with Valanora even retaining the advantage they once had.

World Cup 45 finalists, Candelaria And Marquez and The Holy Empire now are in respectable positions, thanks to their excellent campaigns. Sorthern Northland also had a very good improvement in the rankings. The biggest falls among the top-ranked teams can be considered those of Capitalizt SLANI and Lovisa, while Zwangzug and Bettia leave completely the rankings now.

The organized-version text version:

1 Valanora 55,86
2 Starblaydia 45,43
3 Cafundéu 44,86
4 Candelaria And Marquez 44,71
5 The Holy Empire 42,14
6 Bostopia 39,86
7 Demot 38,93
8 Sorthern Northland 38,43
9 Milchama 37,21
10 The Han Empire 37,14
11 Dancougar 35,14
12 Vephrall 33,57
13 Kura-Pelland 32,79
14 Ad’ihan 32,21
15 Yafor 2 31,57
16 Capitalizt SLANI 31,50
17 The Archregimancy 30,71
18 Jasīʼyūn 30,14
19 Jeruselem 29,79
20 Lovisa 28,71
21 Qazox 26,79
22 Septentrionia 26,14
23 Krytenia 25,93
24 Jeru FC 25,86
25 Rennidan 23,64
26 Bazalonia 21,71
27 Bears Armed 21,46
28 Prux 21,21
29 Kelssek 20,00
30 Kosovoe 17,99
31 Newmanistan 17,88
32 Peisandros 17,80
33 Yafalonia and Bazor 2 17,71
34 Taeshan 16,86
35 The Bostopian Empire 16,26
36 Cassadaigua 14,68
37 Terreiro de Ogum 14,56
38 Greal 13,82
39 Secristan 12,78
40 Blouman Empire 12,45
41 Green wombat 12,14
42 Tynelia 12,07
43 Sarzonia 11,71
44 Akbarabad 11,57
45 Koseli Cumhuriyetler 11,56
46 West Zirconia 11,44
47 Nethertopia 11,40
48 Arroza 10,71
49 Urna Eletrônica 10,40
50 Wentland 9,71
51 Edward City 8,44
52 Liventia 7,64
53 Dariusville 7,24
54 The Macabees 7,07
55 Colbourne 6,75
56 Myedvedeya 6,49
57 Logria 5,97
58 Quintessence of Dust 5,88
59 Rymeria 5,43
60 Draistania 5,43
61 Achtervolging 5,38
62 Bushdome 5,21
63 West Newmanistan 5,20
64 Lecland 4,96
65 Kenavt 4,79
66 Allemenschen 4,62
67 Garlano 4,60
68 Quakmybush 4,00
69 Az-cz 3,86
70 Miroxia 3,76
71 Hypocria 3,31
72 Chutnusak 2,93
73 Greston 2,86
74 Mo Land 3 2,79
75 Invisible Wabbits 2,78
76 IseeRussiafrommyhouse 2,62
76 Lurikastan 2,62
78 San Castello 2,56
79 Universitus University 2,43
80 Magna Sancta Sedes 2,40
81 Panuul 2,36
82 Syktyvkar 2,35
83 The McLaughlin Islands 2,29
84 Govindia 2,27
85 Googlewoop 2,22
85 Idanno 2,22
87 Wing Wang Woo 2,00
88 Euro Federations 1,86
88 East Pocono 1,86
90 Patetopia 1,81
91 Forn Parts 1,71
91 An Blascaod Mor 1,71
93 Opereta 1,71
94 AruthKandageLand 1,66
95 KaMaRi 1,64
96 Solenial 1,57
96 Brightonburg 1,57
98 Kjomasasopia 1,45
99 Mantwenic 1,43
100 Land de Wood 1,29
101 Alversia 1,29
102 St Samuel 1,25
103 Kemball Island 1,14
104 Glaycia 1,00
104 O Ale Ale 1,00
104 Bactrian Camels 1,00
107 Viltek 0,99
108 Vlaskin 0,93
109 Oiseaui 0,86
109 Noásahi 0,86
111 Linpada 0,79
111 Magnus Valerius 0,79
111 Valetaland 0,79
114 Greston 0,78
115 The Islands of Qutar 0,71
116 Tortuga y Hispaniola 0,64
117 Swilatia 0,57
117 Saturday Sport 0,57
119 Cokenia 0,50
119 Senatus Populusque II 0,50
119 Australiah 0,50
122 Onimar 0,43
122 Deceased Writers Guild 0,43
124 Thoughts of Randomness 0,36
125 Legendar 0,29
125 Ierissos 0,29
127 United Island Empires 0,21
128 Alex Ruined Hallelujah 0,14
128 Seventy Ninth Entrant 0,14
130 Benelsdon 0,13
131 Docky -8,29
132 Deep South Sopia -8,52
133 The Doobie Brothers -9,43


* About the DBC, I'd participate in it, but ESF has the right to close the sign-ups when they reach a suitable number, as he is the host.

32nd.

FIFA: Australia. Haha, don't mind that.
ELO: Nigeria, no problems with that either.

Also, if I was to do a domestic league, should I create a thread for it, or just put it in to the newswire?

Also, if I was to do a domestic league, should I create a thread for it, or just put it in to the newswire?

It's up to you. The newswire was set up for that very purpose, however Daehanjeiguk runs their own thread.

My view is that more people will see your reports in the newswire.

WHY WON'T YOU LEAVE ME ALONE, ADVERTISEMENTS, WHY?i

There's only one other nation besides the Han that needs it's own thread....*cough*C&M*cough* Yet he's still in the Domestic Newswire thread.

Dear God...

Take an enforced break, and look what happens...

One of my teams just goes and reaches my first ever final in a combined total of some 50 attempts or thereabouts.

I'm really, really sorry if my absence detracted from anyone's RP'ing experience, particularly our winners. I have added an RP for the final (with the wrong nation, I now see), but realise that it's a case of not much rather late.

I can only plead RL issues:

1) A recent bout of poor health

2) A redundancy review taking place at work

3) My reacting to that review by applying for, being shortlisted for, being offered, and now busily preparing for a fellowship at Leicester University

And I'll admit to a bad dose of post-WCC President NS burn-out as well, but given the above three points, even without that my NS time would have been extremely limited over recent weeks.

So apologies to all WC participants (I know people sometimes get worked up about a non-RP'ing nation reaching the final stages), congrats to C&M, and I should be safely back in the saddle for the next WC.

The new rankings are here! (http://www.savefile.com/files/2068100)The 'Bear-Belles' have risen from 35th (in the most recent listing before this one) up to 27th, that's pretty good. :)

FIFA #27 = Poland (ELO rating = 40th)
ELO #27 = Japan (FIFA rating = 35th)

At least you had excuses, Arch.
I managed not to RP for most of both tournaments (with both nations), without half the reasons that you cite.

You deserve your moment of near-glory for your past efforts.

Oh, and congratulations on the new post as well.

Qazox= Uruguay (FIFA)= Czech Republic (ELO)

Hmmm......Interesting.

There's only one other nation besides the Han that needs it's own thread....*cough*C&M*cough* Yet he's still in the Domestic Newswire thread.

I'll state that at times I'd wonder if I'd need my own thread, but the thoughts of cluttering up something so good with my non-sense would be in poor taste :p

^^^ Classic example here ^^^

Sarzonia #43

ELO = Scotland
FIFA = N/A (Iran/Northern Ireland level at No. 42)

3) My reacting to that review by applying for, being shortlisted for, being offered, and now busily preparing for a fellowship at Leicester University


I have bad news, good news, and worse news.

Bad - In the grand scheme of things, I'm near(ish) to Leicester

Good - The other end of the M69, at least.

Worse - I can drive!

Hope you're getting well, sir, though I do find it significantly brilliant that you posted reply number 666 to the WC45 RP thread.

Woohoo! We lost 3 spots this cycle!

48 = Arroza = Morocco [Elo] = Hungary [FIFA]

:rolleyes:

I have bad news, good news, and worse news.

Bad - In the grand scheme of things, I'm near(ish) to Leicester

Good - The other end of the M69, at least.

Worse - I can drive!

Hope you're getting well, sir, though I do find it significantly brilliant that you posted reply number 666 to the WC45 RP thread.


Just so long as no one here is, or is planning to be, an archaeology undergraduate or MA student at Leicester Uni, we're all fine.

If someone is, then just so long as they avoid the historical archaeology first and third year modules, we're still fine.

If someone is, or is planning to be, an undergraduate or MA archaeology student at the University of Leicester and has a keen interest in the archaeology of the last 500 years, then I regret to say I won't be cutting them any favours in the marking of their essays, and in fact - on the evidence of most RPers here - I expect them to have a higher standard and greater ability in writing English than most of my students.

You have been warned.

And I am feeling better, thanks. I inevitably have little spells, but this wasn't serious, just left me feeling a little short on both energy and inspiration.


Oh, and don't bother going googling the archaeology department at Leicester to find out what I look like - I'm not up on the staff pages yet.

Qazox= Uruguay (FIFA)= Czech Republic (ELO)

Pretty damn good, if you ask me. Czech made a hell of a showing in the World Cup finals and EURO 2008, all told.

Fifa Taeshan- Ghana Kosovoe- Chuile
Cool For Both
Elo Tae- South Korea K- Costa Rica
Just Wrong

Pretty damn good, if you ask me. Czech made a hell of a showing in the World Cup finals and EURO 2008, all told.

They got knocked out of the group stages. Hardly "a hell of a showing" imo. And they played against Tuncay in goal at Euro 2008, and still couldn't win.

In all fairness, that Tuncay thing was for like five seconds.

Five seconds where one wished like hell the Czechs would shoot. :p

Don't support whatever is advertised here.

They got knocked out of the group stages. Hardly "a hell of a showing" imo.

Actually, over 177 countries would have been right to feel jealous.

(176 FIFA member nations who didn't qualify, plus the United States, who CR drubbed 5-0 on the opening day of their group.)

Leicester Uni huh.. I have a real feeling my dad is doing his masters there. Education stuff though..

Don't support whatever is advertised here.

Why not? They're taking time to advertise specifically to us. ;)

OMAC are the ones we should be upset at, for putting ads into posts in the first place.

(although, I make it a strict policy to never click on ads anywhere)

Why not?

Because they're capitalists.

What? That's why I use Adblock...

Actually, over 177 countries would have been right to feel jealous.

(176 FIFA member nations who didn't qualify, plus the United States, who CR drubbed 5-0 on the opening day of their group.)

Hey man, we don't that stupid world cup. We're awesome because we have, um... MLS... and, um... Landon Donovan... and, um... David Beckham... and, um...

Okay, you're right.

Jeruselem
FIFA = Greece (Yes, I'm doomed) - Israel was 18th oddly
ELO = Swiss Cheese

we have, um... MLS

Wait, are you implying that we have a domestic league? :confused:




;)

Wait, are you implying that we have a domestic league? :confused:

Hells ya, USL Second Division! Come on you Riverhounds! Or something.

Hells ya, USL Second Division! Come on you Riverhounds! Or something.

And the First Division too! Woo, let's g--

--oh. Right.

*sigh*

So that "one name" in your Location is Peachtree, I assume?

Given that I've been away for the best part of a month (how time flies), can I ask a quick catch-up question?

Where are we with voting for WC46 BoF and main tournament host bids?

I can see one bid for each tournament, but are we voting yet?

And if not, shouldn't we be?

No, yes.

A quick WCC vice-presidential update on my last post.

I've just checked my TG inbox, and Star sent me a TG about 5 hours ago asking me for my spreadsheet of WCC members I've been maintaining over the last few cups (itself loosely based on Baz's list from when he was prez) so he can start the host voting with a current WCC membership list.

I'll send it to him in 3-4 hours (it's on my home laptop, and I'm at work), and the host voting should move along fairly quickly after that.

...asking me for my spreadsheet of WCC members I've been maintaining over the last few cups (itself loosely based on Baz's list from when he was prez)...

Which may very well be based on the list that I was maintaining when I was El Prez the last time...

This is where someone breaks into a chorus of 'Circle of Life', right?

This is where someone breaks into a chorus of 'Circle of Life', right?

I would, but I highly doubt you'd want to hear me sing. :D

Which may very well be based on the list that I was maintaining when I was El Prez the last time...

This is where someone breaks into a chorus of 'Circle of Life', right?

Asante sana, squash banana...

You follow old Krytenia. He know the way!

Asante sana, squash banana...

Asante sana, squash banana...

You follow old Krytenia. He know the way!

Asante sana, squash banana...

I thought that was "Asante sana, lose on penalties to Sarzonia..." :p

I thought that was "Asante sana, lose on penalties to Sarzonia..." :p
No, I mean what I said.

It translates as "I'm in the World Cup, and you're not." :p

I thought that was "Asante sana, lose on penalties to Sarzonia..." :p

What about Asante Samuel? I thought we had a separate thread for gridiron...

Pretty damn good, if you ask me. Czech made a hell of a showing in the World Cup finals and EURO 2008, all told.

They also fired their coach and suspended six players for talking to [possibly attempting to solicit] whores after losing to Slovakia.

Hells ya, USL Second Division! Come on you Riverhounds! Or something.

See at this point, this is where I would normally say something vindictive about the City Stars.

And the First Division too! Woo, let's g--

--oh. Right.

*sigh*

But now I'm too depressed. And angry. And strangely hungry.

Come on you Austin Aztecs?! FFS, I'm not driving 90 minutes to support a second tier team! <_<

No, I mean what I said.

It translates as "I'm in the World Cup, and you're not." :p

That can change rather quickly, don'tcha know? :p

That can change rather quickly, don'tcha know? :p
It can. COME ON HYPOCRIA!

Come on you Austin Aztecs?! FFS, I'm not driving 90 minutes to support a second tier team! <_<

I guess we were able to demonstrate on IRC that USL-1 was the real first division :P

P.S. Go Impact de Montréal FC!

I guess we were able to demonstrate on IRC that USL-1 was the real first division :P

P.S. Go Impact de Montréal FC!

You're not kidding! The semifinals should have both been an epic showdown between Mexico and USL-1. And an Impact-Islanders final would have been the greatest kick in the head ever.

You know, I can't help feeling that this not entirely thrilling discussion of lower level North American football / soccer is about as relevant to most of us as a discussion of how this season's second Conference South match between Welling United and Bishop's Stortford dramatically changed the character of both clubs' season would be to anyone outside a small perimeter of east Hertfordshire and west Kent.

The sooner we have something substantive to discuss again, the better.

I blame Star. It's always his fault *nods*

I blame Star. It's always his fault *nods*

It's the easiest thing to do.

We could talk about how the AFCCL Groups E-H are turning into a brawl fest between J-League, K-League, and CSL teams, with no one really taking any clear advantage...

although I'm a bit disappointed personally that Suwon lost to Shanghai of all teams...

Do not buy this product.

Or you guys could listen to my complaint of Ajax not becoming champions. Again. Frigging five years. WE'VE BEEN WAITING FIVE YEARS, YOU BASTARDS!

...

But yeah, that's not much of an interest either, is it??

Or you guys could listen to my complaint of Ajax not becoming champions. Again. Frigging five years. WE'VE BEEN WAITING FIVE YEARS, YOU BASTARDS!

...

But yeah, that's not much of an interest either, is it??

Bah...

PSV Eindhoven!!!

Hey, some of us like Ajax too. :p

And here I thought I started most of the useless chatter....

And here I thought I started most of the useless chatter....
Your powers are weak, old man.

Your powers are weak, old man.

Bah, who cares about power? It's the kimchi that matters!

Bah, who cares about power? It's the kimchi that matters!

Focus my inner kimchi, eh?

...

It's not working!! I don't feel stronger at all! Except for my BO.

Focus my inner kimchi, eh?

...

It's not working!! I don't feel stronger at all! Except for my BO.

Exercise precise flatulence!

You know, I can't help feeling that this not entirely thrilling discussion of lower level North American football / soccer is about as relevant to most of us as a discussion of how this season's second Conference South match between Welling United and Bishop's Stortford dramatically changed the character of both clubs' season would be to anyone outside a small perimeter of east Hertfordshire and west Kent.

The sooner we have something substantive to discuss again, the better.

but, but...

THEY TOOK OUR JERBS [TEAM]!

but, but...

THEY TOOK OUR JERBS [TEAM]!

OH NOZ!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/118/299847251_29704d41a9.jpg

Exercise precise flatulence!

This stinks. :p

An important host voting announcement (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14686738&postcount=79).

Vote, you vicous bloodsucking gerbil-posting crap-talking harpies, vote!

Ahem.

An important host voting announcement (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14686738&postcount=79).

Vote, you vicous bloodsucking gerbil-posting crap-talking harpies, vote!

Ahem.

No point in voting for a single bid. And am I supposed to be a vicious or viscous harpy?

No point in voting for a single bid. And am I supposed to be a vicious or viscous harpy?

Vicous, like I said. Sort of like evil and coagulated at the same time.

There are three options for a single bid. Either approve it, invite other bids or just 'meh'.

Vicous, like I said. Sort of like evil and coagulated at the same time.
Ah, Viannor.

An important host voting announcement (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14686738&postcount=79).

Vote, you vicous bloodsucking gerbil-posting crap-talking harpies, vote!

Ahem.

There's a Candelaria and Marquez as well as a Candelaria And Marquez on the World Cup Committee? :eek:

Just curious.. Does the Di Bradini take in to account any rankings? Or is it just RP bonus?

Vicous, like I said. Sort of like evil and coagulated at the same time.

There are three options for a single bid. Either approve it, invite other bids or just 'meh'.

meh.

There's a Candelaria and Marquez as well as a Candelaria And Marquez on the World Cup Committee? :eek:

That's because someone sucks at typing.

And, for once, it isn't me - though I do have to correct it.

meh.

I'll take that as an 'abstain' then, shall I?

Just curious.. Does the Di Bradini take in to account any rankings? Or is it just RP bonus?

In this edition, just RP bonus.

I'll take that as an 'abstain' then, shall I?

Pretty much. I'm not sure it matters to vote yes, and I refuse to vote no unless I know there's something better.

ESF, what's an "OCC" thread? :tongue:

OCC ;) from the RP thread:

Don't be rude now.

Tae, just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think the ;) winking smiley means?

Sorry about that Nor! I got confused for a bit there, lol.
And sorry for the ooc ESF.

Does it really matter what i say is just really a way to make it look like i am not trying tocover up any wrong doings and be a man that does not like it when people say stuff about each other. And also it always ends bad on here wouldnt wanna get kicked off would we. Satares at those hotshots who like to point out whats wrong with everything. (l)

Actually, you're the guy who's trying to point out what's wrong here. It's every bit as annoying as you suggest, and you might want to ask yourself why you seem to get stuck in these conversations so often.

Dumdedo... *walks away innocently*

Unless Candelaria And Marquez is abbreviated SAR now. ;)

That's funny in a way you haven't even realised in that your opponent, Sarzonia, isn't abbreviated as 'SAR' either. Did not do the research (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheResearch) evidently works both ways.

That's because someone sucks at typing.

And, for once, it isn't me - though I do have to correct it.

<dons his full academic regalia>

<puts copies of his collected publications on the table in front of him>

What, good sir, could you possibly be suggesting?

A typo? In my World Cup Committee list? With my reputation?

Perhaps you should listen to me more then. :p

EDIT: argh this is yaf :tongue:

That's funny in a way you haven't even realised in that your opponent, Sarzonia, isn't abbreviated as 'SAR' either. Did not do the research evidently works both ways.

Oh, I'm quite aware. But when my opponent does nothing to advertise their sports code on the Wiki and leaves me with the option of either going on a wild goose chase for it or making one up, you can predict my response with 100% certainty every time.

Anyway, Sarzonia is SAR now, until someone convinces me otherwise. I don't think this is one of the world's more pressing issues, personally, but your mileage may vary.

Oh, I'm quite aware. But when my opponent does nothing to advertise their sports code on the Wiki and leaves me with the option of either going on a wild goose chase for it or making one up, you can predict my response with 100% certainty every time.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w175/candelariaandmarquez/Sarzonia.png

C&M... Lol.

Get your lazy butt on MSN, you.

*big pic*

Well, that was one short goose chase...

Zing!

http://nswiki.net/index.php?title=List_of_international_sports_codes

If Sarzonia wants me to use their sports code, they can put it there. My "RP", such as it was, probably gave the impression of someone who didn't have a lot of time. But excuse me for not having magically ascertained the perfect system of finding other peoples' sports codes in my first few weeks here while being crazy busy.

Erm, that list was, I believe, put together for the *Olympics* some time back. Lots of teams who don't do that event/teams who haven't been around (like Sarzo) aren't on there...

So? It's there. It only takes a second to put one's nation code in. It makes RP much easier.

The point being that a lot of people don't know that exists, Norwellia. I, for example, didn't know about it until you pointed it out (and have no interest in adding my code, since I'm not in the Olympics).

Since very few people actually use that list (and a distinct minority even use wiki), I'd suggest not making grandiose claims about it making "RP easier".

I'm not seeing how that's unduly grandiose--having everyone's nation codes in one intuitively-named place does, in fact, make RP easier. I was advised to put my codes in the nation codes list when I started in the TQCC, so I did. It's a valuable resource if people start using it, which only takes a couple of seconds to slam a code in.

I'm not sure why everyone's fighting me tooth and nail on this. By this time, everyone in this thread could have put their codes in to the page, and RP life would have become that much easier.

Seriously if you have been on here a while you know what every buddies is and if you dont and your confused ask somebody. Geese its not like its life or death. And whose to you when you have just started on hear to say all this crap about everyone.

Oh for crying out fucking loud!

I've got more important things to do than go around adding in codes in everyone else's Wikis, especially when the information Norwellia was "seeking" was already in a Wiki article I created a long time ago. What's to prevent Norwellia from, you know, TELEGRAMMING me to ask what code I use or prefer if he couldn't find it?

Much ado about nothing. He didn't use the code I've used for years to signify Sarzonia. I still figured out he was referring to Sarzonia in the RP in question. Why is this even an issue, let alone one we've spent the last two days arguing about?

Let it rest FFS!

Amen Brother. Stupidest Conversation I have seen in months.

Well, I had this conversation with Candelaria And Marquez, a few days ago, about him leaving my because I'm a Badger. Which was probably about as dull as this one.

It was bloody hilarious, nevertheless (the conversation with C&M, mind you).

You're a Badger (http://www.wisc.edu/)?

It was bloody hilarious, nevertheless (the conversation with C&M, mind you).

From what I gather they do tend to be.

Well, I had this conversation with Candelaria And Marquez, a few days ago, about him leaving my because I'm a Badger. Which was probably about as dull as this one.

It was bloody hilarious, nevertheless (the conversation with C&M, mind you).

Does CAM, perchance, look like...
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00037/ed_imgsnn0203d_265_37735a.jpg
...this?

Why is this even an issue, let alone one we've spent the last two days arguing about?

Let it rest FFS!

That's what I've been saying. FTR, what stopped me from telegramming you was that I was pressed for time and just wanted to fire off a quick match summary and pick up some minimal RP points. I've never known anyone here to respond to a telegram in anything short of half a week, if at all, so I wasn't going to wait by the telegram machine for days just to write a four-line summary.

The last X amount of posts about the nation codes= ONE BIG WTF?!

That's pretty big.

LOLZ, Qazox complaining about spam here ... :)

You're a Badger (http://www.wisc.edu/)?

No, a badger (http://www.cheshirewildlifetrust.co.uk/IMAGES/news_badger.jpg). It had something to do with a signature on another forum, which he stumbled upon.

From what I gather they do tend to be.

Hell yeah.

Does CAM, perchance, look like...
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00037/ed_imgsnn0203d_265_37735a.jpg
...this?

His face is yet unknown. Yet, that is a probable possibility.

With a half-hour to go there is, of course, still time for things to change in the BoF host vote, but the consensus (unanimous so far) is to accept Errinundera's bid.

So, barring something insane, Errinundera will host the next Baptism of Fire, and I'll have the actual voting tally for you tomorrow morning. There's still until the end of the week for the World Cup 46 vote, of course, so keep those coming.