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With respect, the conflict seems to be rather one-sided.

Most of us are having a calm and rational discussion about an important issue all of us realise needs to be addressed.

To the best of my knowledge - and everyone else should feel free to disabuse me - only one person has reacted with hostility and anger, and only one person is taking a position likely to exacerbate tension and conflict.

Your negative and hostile attitude is unfortunate, doubly so because it's unnecessary, but I continue to welcome any constructive contribution you may wish to make.
What part of you putting the NS1WC into direct competition with the NS2WC have you not understood? While I admit some of my comments have been inflammatory, as you full well know they usually are, none of this would have happened had you not discussed this first. I have tried to start this tournament in a different game, and you have immediately moved to quash it. Excuse me if I am thus negative. I will of course attempt to be constructive and not hostile, and do apologise for any such hostility.

Of course, before you accuse me of hostility, perhaps Liventia/LE should be placed in the boat as well? Or Vephrall/Bedistan?

The fact is that we don't have enough information, NS2 Nations don't have any Jolt Forum accounts and you have to use an already existing account (such as an NS1 nation account)

There is no information about the strictness of NS2 forum access.

I've put a thread up on the NS2 forums to see what happens, I think perhaps we should refrain from discussing this further until we know more about NS2 forum accounts.

For interests sake, heres the link to the thread I created asking about it.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=571861

What part of you putting the NS1WC into direct competition with the NS2WC have you not understood? While I admit some of my comments have been inflammatory, as you full well know they usually are, none of this would have happened had you not discussed this first. I have tried to start this tournament in a different game, and you have immediately moved to quash it. Excuse me if I am thus negative. I will of course attempt to be constructive and not hostile, and do apologise for any such hostility.


Thank you for your apology, which I gratefully acknowledge.

And as to your first point, I assure you that I fully understand each of your main discussion points.

Summarising for everyone's benefit, they are:


That as NS1 and NS2 are entirely separate games, as different and independent from each other as NS1 and World of Warcraft, the NSWC should neither carry over to, nor advertise itself on, NS2.

That by advertising the NSWC on NS2 without what you consider due consultation, I both abused my authority and exceeded my mandate.

That you believe I have deliberately attempted to supress your new NS2 World Cup by placing advertising the NSWC in direct competition to your new tournament, thereby personally insulting you in the process.


I simply happen to disagree with each point.

I see no need for either side to be inflammatory and hostile in making their case. I firmly believe that we can reach a conclusion - though I'm not so naive to believe it will necessarily be a mutually satisfactory one - without either side taking recourse to hostility and/or snide remarks, and I'd like everyone to remember that.

The fact is that we don't have enough information, NS2 Nations don't have any Jolt Forum accounts and you have to use an already existing account (such as an NS1 nation account)

There is no information about the strictness of NS2 forum access.

I've put a thread up on the NS2 forums to see what happens, I think perhaps we should refrain from discussing this further until we know more about NS2 forum accounts.

For interests sake, heres the link to the thread I created asking about it.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=571861

Thanks, Baz, for your useful and constructive contribution.


For the record, we have now had an NS2 nation sign up for the NSWC, so it seems possible:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14184366&postcount=49


The same nation has also signed up for Spaam's NS2 World Cup:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14184345&postcount=15

So, happily, there's at least one new NS2 nation that sees the tournaments as potentially complementary rather than competitive.


As important as the issue undoubtedly is, I do suspect that once the dust has settled and everyone has calmed down, that we'll all look back at this kerfuffle as the storm in a teacup that it undoubtedly is.

I did abit of checking, the nation in question technically exists within NS1, just over a day old (6 million when I checked)

I also have another non-NS forum account that I actually I don't know why I created in the first place.

It seems he basically created the NS1 account as a work around. 1. To create a national account for use in NS2. 2. and to gain access to NS1 forums.

So while he may only use his NS2 nation, he does exist in the NS1Verse.

BTW, are we going to have to create a new name for NSVerse? and have an NS2Wiki?

Thank you for your apology, which I gratefully acknowledge.

And as to your first point, I assure you that I fully understand each of your main discussion points.

Summarising for everyone's benefit, they are:


That as NS1 and NS2 are entirely separate games, as different and independent from each other as NS1 and World of Warcraft, the NSWC should neither carry over to, nor advertise itself on, NS2.

That by advertising the NSWC on NS2 without what you consider due consultation, I both abused my authority and exceeded my mandate.

That you believe I have deliberately attempted to supress your new NS2 World Cup by placing advertising the NSWC in direct competition to your new tournament, thereby personally insulting you in the process.


I simply happen to disagree with each point.

I see no need for either side to be inflammatory and hostile in making their case. I firmly believe that we can reach a conclusion - though I'm not so naive to believe it will necessarily be a mutually satisfactory one - without either side taking recourse to hostility and/or snide remarks, and I'd like everyone to remember that.
1) I encourage NS1WC to advertise on NS2, because many NS2 nations may like to take part in a more established competition. I just don't encourage it advertise directly against NS2WC. There may have a been a better way to do this, and pre-discussion may have worked that out. I perhaps should've pointed out the NS1WC in the NS2WC thread, stating that that is what it is based on.
2) I only believe you exceeded your mandate insomuch as you took it upon yourself as President to take this into your own hands without discussion. Perhaps that is a difference in our opinions into the rights and roles of the President.
3) I was insulted NOT because you put the NS1WC into direct competition with the NS2WC (which does seem to partly supress it), but because you did it without discussion. Were you to have said something to me beforehand, and THEN done it, there would be no insult.

And as I previously stated, I will attempt to refrain from snide remarks, but I am not so naive to believe that I will be 100% successfully, as I have over five years of past that disagrees.

Actually the only thing keeping me in NS1 and NS2 is the NSWC and NS2WC, I don't get involved too much with the NS game as such these days. I have played with NS2 a bit lately, and I'm not impressed actually (I think it' worse). But I will be in the NS2WC which means I might cut back on small tournies in NS1.

CUP OF HARMONY VOTING UPDATE

So far I have had precisely no votes from any EWCC member regarding the extant bid from Newmanistan and West Zirconia.

Not one. Not a sausage.

The voting deadline is in 31 hours.

Thank you.

Thanks, Baz, for your useful and constructive contribution.Seconded.

Here's the reply from Lydias, NS2's player/developer go-between:
The forums for NS2 are not linked to the game in the same way as those for NS.
You will need to make an account on the main Jolt forums in order to post.I assume this means any Jolt account can post in the NS2 forums, but the NS1 forums are still closed to NS1 nations only.

I also got a message on my visitor profile from the nation in question saying the same thing. It appears as if the user registered an NS1 puppet account for the purposes of posting here...which comes close to defeating the purpose of incorporating NS2 nations into the original World Cup. If this remains true, I'd probably, and reluctantly, abandon hope of a united tournament.

1) I encourage NS1WC to advertise on NS2, because many NS2 nations may like to take part in a more established competition. I just don't encourage it advertise directly against NS2WC. There may have a been a better way to do this, and pre-discussion may have worked that out. I perhaps should've pointed out the NS1WC in the NS2WC thread, stating that that is what it is based on.

Honestly, I can't really find too much wrong with this position.

Let's be honest, folks. If Spaam hadn't attempted to create a separate WC competition for NS2, somebody else would've. Trying to prevent it from happening is really quite pointless.

At least for the time being, I see no reason why the two tournaments cannot coexist. Perhaps the solution to this is as simple as a note in the NS1WC post there clarifying that it is perfectly acceptable to sign up for both (as we currently have no regulations against that)? Judging by the last few posts, I think that might be sufficient to satisfy Spaam's objection.

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And, noticing Zwang's post while I typed all this, it appears that there is indeed an external force that is pretty much going to force two separate games. So really all this arguing is mostly pointless anyway.

CUP OF HARMONY VOTING UPDATE

So far I have had precisely no votes from any EWCC member regarding the extant bid from Newmanistan and West Zirconia.

Not one. Not a sausage.

The voting deadline is in 31 hours.

Thank you.

Well at least no one hates us so far.
West Zirconia and myself are ready to go... please give us your support.

*hands out Newmanistan-West Zirconia for CoH35 co-hosts pins to random people*

Let's be honest, folks. If Spaam hadn't attempted to create a separate WC competition for NS2, somebody else would've. Trying to prevent it from happening is really quite pointless.


I don't think anyone, least of all myself, has tried to argue that a NS2WC, whether Spaam's or anyone else's, should be in any way prevented.

That's not really the issue here.

The central issue boils down to Spaam objecting to the posting of an NSWC sign-up thread on NS2 shortly after he started the NS2WC sign-up thread without any advance notice or warning to his good self.

His initial objection to any NSWC presence on NS2, which he once objected to so strenuously that he requested a thread-lock of the sign-up post in NS2 moderation on the grounds that the NSWC sign-up thread was illegal spamming of NS2, has remained less consistent.

But I will now go into the World Cup 44 sign-up thread in NS2 and make it even clearer than it already is that there's no reason why nations can't participate in multiple tournaments in both sets of forums.

Zwangzug and Bazalonia between them do seem to have established that there's a fairly fundamental obstacle to NS2 nations signing-up for the NSWC, and this may well be an important guide to how we proceed for future cups.

Could a solution not be one cup is run immediately after the other? Creates backlog and waiting for another cup to finish for one to start, though this could be moved to one cup is in qualis the other is in Cup proper, perhaps.

Oy, that seems too complicated now I think about it.

Would everyone just shut up and get back to what were supposed to use this for. Football. Not wether or not NS2 should have its own cup. Its not a debate thread.

Would everyone just shut up and get back to what were supposed to use this for. Football. Not wether or not NS2 should have its own cup. Its not a debate thread.

Errrr..... except that it is. It's called the 'World Cup Discussion Thread'; it's where we debate issues pertaining to the running of the World Cup; which is what we're doing.

And while I have your attention, I don't suppose you could run over to the sign-up thread and clarify your sign-up for Kosovoe? Ta.

Oops i was gonna do that when i was on earlier. Must have slipped my mind.

Taeshan 0-4 Panuul

What?????????????????????

Haha. Shit happens, Taeshan. The wonders of scorination. xD

I honestly do no believe that there should be a complete separation between the two tournaments. Of course the majority of NS2 players are former NS1 players. (1) The technologies running the tournaments are likely to be similar, if not identical. And personally, I think that, at least until, or if, this thing takes off, it should be run by the NS1 EWCC. (2) I am still very loyal to the NS1WC, considering the amount of time and influence I have put into it. I don't play here merely because I have all but abandoned my NS1 nation, and only wish to play in NS2. But I am of the belief that because these are two separate games, there should be two separate tournaments. (2) Requiring NS2 nations to play in a deprecated universe is totally unfair. In addition, this is the chance for us to make some changes which we cannot here due to the fact that this competition is so massive and ancient. This is one of the oldest forum-based games played on the entire internet. I don't want to be the only one making decisions in NS2WC. (3)

My sticking point is that Arch has put the NS1WC in direct competition with the NS2WC. (4) No discussion. No proposals. I have great respect for Arch, but it has been lessened because of the way he has handled this situation. And now there is conflict.

A lot of you are making me out to be an arrogant arsehole or whatever here. Go ahead. (5) You all said the same back in WC21 when I came back to shake things up. And what happened? The modern WCC was born. My constitution was adopted. Say what you will, Bedistan et al, but this is an old game for me.

A few points of contention:

(1) I do agree with the first statement - if NS2 players cannot post in NS1, there is no point to have one tournament for all, if not everyone can participate And seeing as that is the case, we'd be hypocrites to try enforcing it.

(2) I do not agree that the NS1WCC should involve itself in the establishment of the NS2WCC. People from NS1WCC may be invited to participate in the NS2WCC establishment, but to say that the NS1WCC should be the executive power in determining the organization of the NS2 Tournaments is going against the principle that these are fundamentally two games. And aside from that, it automatically excludes players from NS2 who haven't participated in NS1WC tournaments (although their experience might be in question). If you want the NS1WCC to regulate the NS2WC Tournaments "until or if it gets off", you'll have to submit a proposal (which Arch is not probably not going to do until I've finished this damned collation thing).

(3) If you don't want to be the only one making decisions about the NS2WC, you're asking in the wrong place. Start a discussion thread in NS2 and ask people for their input. You're more than welcome to advertise in NS1 (unless the mods don't like it - of which I have yet to hear) to get players in both NS systems to participates.

(4) I may be a little late in reading the posts, but there is nothing that I have seen from the NSWC Signups/Arch's advertisement post in NS2 that suggests that there cannot be a NS2WC and that players aren't discouraged from participating in NS2WC tournaments. And if he did, that would be violating the WCC mandate saying that the WCC cannot interfere in any other tournaments other than the BoF, CoH, or WC.

(5) Okay... you're an arsehole. That doesn't help anyone with anything. But insisting that you "made this thing" - however truthful it may be - isn't going to help your cause any bit. Humility before pride - it'll get you far, otherwise, fighting fire with fire is the inevitable outcome, and then everyone turns hostile. Quite frankly, I don't care that you or anyone made the rules - I simply care about the problems at hand.

(4) I may be a little late in reading the posts, but there is nothing that I have seen from the NSWC Signups/Arch's advertisement post in NS2 that suggests that there cannot be a NS2WC and that players aren't discouraged from participating in NS2WC tournaments. And if he did, that would be violating the WCC mandate saying that the WCC cannot interfere in any other tournaments other than the BoF, CoH, or WC.
By advertising a tournament also called the World Cup in the Collosseum, it is naturally in direct competition. Of course there is nothing that actually states any sort of discouragement. Arch is as well aware of the rules as I am. But anyone who goes to the forum will see "Oh, there are two football World Cups. Which one shall I choose to participate in? The one that says it is the first, or the one that says it is the forty-fourth?" By actually placing the advertisement thread there, there is natural competition.

Oh, and my point was not that I "made the rules" or any such thing - your point about humility is absolutely correct. My point was to all those people complaining about me being an arsehole. That though I may regrettably act like an arsehole, I still manage to get things done. This needs to be settled, and I will attempt to help it settled in as best way as possible for all parties.

As far as I'm concerned this matter is dealt with, the NSVerses of NS1 and NS2 are totally different. as while NS1 might thechnically be able to access NS2, NS2 can't access NS1 therefore cross-over tournaments are not really practically.

Spaam has made known his greviences and they had been discussed, primarily focussing on the lack of consultation involved. Arch has replied and there is no more going on between them. As a result keeping on this topic by ANYONE in this thread serves no purpose and will only serve the purpose of needlessly fanning the flames.

I suggest that Arch (as NSWC Signups) post in NS2 asking the mods over there to remove the NSWC signups from there.(perhaps in the same thread as Spaam's?)

Can we please just move on?

God damn it, Jeruselem got Pishachio nutted!
I can't believe Jeru FC just qualified either.

PS KaMaRi seems to have expired.

ss taeshan. NOW you know how i felt after Bostopia beat me on the last day of qualifying for World Cup 29. (yes I still remember.)

God damn it, Jeruselem got Pishachio nutted!
I can't believe Jeru FC just qualified either.

PS KaMaRi seems to have expired.

Group 3 is an odd place. Do you know, we're the only group where every single team in the group has at least 10 points? Hell, we can still finish anywhere between 4th and 8th with one match left.

Group 3 is an odd place. Do you know, we're the only group where every single team in the group has at least 10 points? Hell, we can still finish anywhere between 4th and 8th with one match left.

At one point, I was thinking Jeru FC was going to be swamped by other teams and the Macabees would qualify.

ss taeshan. NOW you know how i felt after Bostopia beat me on the last day of qualifying for World Cup 29. (yes I still remember.)

Good afternoon, Qazox, how are you today?

Nethertopia scorinated by Vephrall: Loads of RPing, 1 point, not a single win.
Nethertopia scorinated by Valanora: Almost no RPing, 10 points, not a single loss (yet).

I know my favourite country to scorinate ;)

This is a friendly reminder that all Post Qualifying Friendlies should be TGed to Valanora. As of right now I have these friendlies:

Candelaria And Marquez v Valanora
Taeshan v Nethertopia
Taeshan v Candelaria And Marquez
Taeshan v Sorthern Northland
Newmanistan v Myedvedeya
Newmanistan v Rennidan

CUP OF HARMONY VOTING UPDATE

With three hours to go before the close of voting, I've received precisely two votes.

Including my own.

Exit polls indicate 100% support so far for the Newmanistan / West Zirconia bid for yes we can change we can believe in, but with polls yet to close, experts are still saying the election is too close to call.

This is a friendly reminder that all Post Qualifying Friendlies should be TGed to Valanora. As of right now I have these friendlies:

Candelaria And Marquez v Valanora
Taeshan v Nethertopia
Taeshan v Candelaria And Marquez
Taeshan v Sorthern Northland
Newmanistan v Myedvedeya
Newmanistan v Rennidan

I sent Bos v Kry to you by mistake as a Mid-Q friendly; we've agreed to change this to post-quals.

Good afternoon, Qazox, how are you today?

:p.

CUP OF HARMONY ANNOUNCEMENT


The results of the Cup of Harmony hosting vote are as follows:

For the Newmanistan-West Zirconia bid: 4

Against the Newmanistan-West Zirconia bid: 0

For the re-opening of bids: 0

Congratulations to Newmanistan and West Zirconia, hosts of CoH 35

Right, can I go to bed now?

CUP OF HARMONY ANNOUNCEMENT


The results of the Cup of Harmony hosting vote are as follows:

For the Newmanistan-West Zirconia bid: 4

Against the Newmanistan-West Zirconia bid: 0

For the re-opening of bids: 0

Congratulations to Newmanistan and West Zirconia, hosts of CoH 35

Right, can I go to bed now?

WTG New/WZ.
and yes get some sleep Arch.

Thank you for your support!

I echo Newmanistan's thanks. I'm...well, honoured.
I'm sure we won't let you football-lovers down.

Hey, Milchama it's "Church of the Holy Sepulchre"

I'm going to use this post to curse out the random scorinator. But since I'm trying to curse less, can we all just assume I cursed up a blue streak and leave it be?

I'm going to use this post to curse out the random scorinator. But since I'm trying to curse less, can we all just assume I cursed up a blue streak and leave it be?

You beat Jeru FC but all too late ...

Ill help you lets see lsoing two straigh to end it. UCS didnt rp at all and i beat them in the first match 3-1. He still ddidnt rp i lose to him 2-0. I also lost to Panuul the worst or second worse team in my group with 5 rps at the time to mt 20. Hmm you think im a little pissed right know???

Ill help you lets see lsoing two straigh to end it. UCS didnt rp at all and i beat them in the first match 3-1. He still ddidnt rp i lose to him 2-0. I also lost to Panuul the worst or second worse team in my group with 5 rps at the time to mt 20. Hmm you think im a little pissed right know???

Ummmm... we all get frustrated occasionally. If you remember that it's just a game, that'll help you get over the fact that you lost to someone. Then remember that scores are the product of the unique combination of randomness, RPs, and rank. Sometimes, randomness wins out.

Sometimes, admittedly, a lot of randomness. I just did the calculations, and the odds against that 4-0 Panuul win were more than 3000-1.

I feel so sorry for MSS, they seem to be doing a Jeru FC of old ... coming just short at the wrong time.

I feel so sorry for MSS, they seem to be doing a Jeru FC of old ... coming just short at the wrong time.

The unlucky 77th spot goes to: Magna Sancta Sedes, for having the best record AND not to qualify for the World Cup. (it is a joking rank, MCS, don't get too mad).

BOTTOM FIVE
76: Onimar 1-3-10
77: Magna Sancta Sedes 8-2-4 Best team not to qualify for WC (ss man)
78: Thoughts of Randomness 0-5-9
79: United Island Empires 0-3-11
80: Seventy Ninth Entrant 0-2-12



If MSS ever got upset, then I'd have a heart attack.

It goes well with my "almost" RP :p

-Almost won the BoF
-Almost qualified for WC42 (on first attempt)
-Almost won the CoH
-Almost qualified for WC43 (on second attempt)

Now, if I could almost win CoH35, then I'd be a bit happier :p

If MSS ever got upset, then I'd have a heart attack.

It goes well with my "almost" RP :p

-Almost won the BoF
-Almost qualified for WC42 (on first attempt)
-Almost won the CoH
-Almost qualified for WC43 (on second attempt)

Now, if I could almost win CoH35, then I'd be a bit happier :p

I almost won the World Cup! Actually there's a lot teams here with that dubious honour.

I almost won the World Cup! Actually there's a lot teams here with that dubious honour.

I wish I was one of those teams :(

Me too. Though I've only attempted to qualify twice. I hope I win the CoH35 to get some honor out of this. :(

I suppose I'm obliged to RP a response to that unfortunate incident in the Holy Sepulchre now, aren't I?

Not Orthodoxy's finest hour, I'll concede, though it's yet to match for violence the fight between the Ethiopians and the Copts on the Holy Sepulchre's roof a few years back following an argument over moving a deckchair into the shade. That ended with at least one monk in hospital [even more ironically, the Ethiopians and Copts are both Non-Chalcedonian Monophysites in communion with each other].

There's also a small ladder that's been sitting outside a window above the church's entrance for over a century because no one can agree on who has the right to remove it.

You know, I sometimes get the sneaky feeling that when the Ottomans issued their 18th century firman enforcing the current status quo division of the Holy Sepulchre, they knew that the subsequent squabbling wouldn't exactly encourage a positive perception of traditional Christianity.

Just logging on at work to apologise to y'all, particularly the Group 8 RPers, for not being, er, anything during the Qualifiers. That and the complete lack of Di Bradini Cup, er, anything. Oh and the AOCAF, which no-one seems to be bothered about either.

As you may know, I bought a house with my gf recently, and then the company I was working for liquidated, making me redundant. Oh hurrah. Got myself another, very similar, design job almost immediately as a self-employed type fellow, but they're a little stricter on me randomly posting to NS every few moments than the last lot.

So I'm here, sorta, checking the WCDT every so often and being baffled by the usernames, never mind the opinions and troubles. Catch you lot later, I hope :)



And yes, Arch, the footage of that fight in Jerusalem was rather amusing (Armenian and Greek Orothodx, iirc), as it seems even bearded, robed holy types can swing a right hook and pile on with the best of em.

And yes, Arch, the footage of that fight in Jerusalem was rather amusing (Armenian and Greek Orothodx, iirc), as it seems even bearded, robed holy types can swing a right hook and pile on with the best of em.

Boy, them monks can fight, eh?

I know that this is a pedantic point that will baffle the rest of you, but while the Orthodox Patriarch of Jeruselem is an ethnic Greek, and most of his senior hierarchy is Greek (even though the vast majority of his ever-shrinking flock are Christian Palestinians), most Orthodox outside of Greece consider the jurisdiction of His Most Godly Beatitude, the Patriarch of the Holy City of Jerusalem and all Palestine, Syria, Arabia, beyond the Jordan River, Cana of Galilee, and Holy Zion, Theophilus III to be 'Orthodox', not 'Greek Orthodox'.

While the autocephalous churches of Orthodoxy are largely nationally- (and, outside of their traditional countries, ethnically-) based, the canonical patriarchates - especially the long-established patriarchates of the pentarchy [Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem] - are all part of a single Orthodox Church no matter what the ethnic make-up of their geographical jurisdictions are.

For example, when Theophilus III's predecessor Irineos was deposed, the deposition (which the Israeli government, uniquely, initially refused to recognise - possibly because Irineos was deposed largely for selling Christian Palestinian church property in the Old City to Israeli settler groups) was arranged through a pan-Orthodox council of all Orthodox jurisdictions convened by the Patriarch of Constantinople.

Rather deliciously, the Knesset sits on land owned by the Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem, and leased out to the Israeli state.

But I'll address some of this in RP this evening.

Boy, them monks can fight, eh?

...

But I'll address some of this in RP this evening.

Wuh? Those were the bits I understood.

Hey, Milchama it's "Church of the Holy Sepulchre"

I looked at the article to make sure I got proper spelling. Of course the article I used was also translated from Hebrew by Israelis so trusting them might not be the best thing.

Also I thought that the idea would be a fun one to RP, hope no offense is taken by Arch or anybody else on this forum. It's all in jest

Boy, them monks can fight, eh?

I know that this is a pedantic point that will baffle the rest of you, but while the Orthodox Patriarch of Jeruselem is an ethnic Greek, and most of his senior hierarchy is Greek (even though the vast majority of his ever-shrinking flock are Christian Palestinians), most Orthodox outside of Greece consider the jurisdiction of His Most Godly Beatitude, the Patriarch of the Holy City of Jerusalem and all Palestine, Syria, Arabia, beyond the Jordan River, Cana of Galilee, and Holy Zion, Theophilus III to be 'Orthodox', not 'Greek Orthodox'.

While the autocephalous churches of Orthodoxy are largely nationally- (and, outside of their traditional countries, ethnically-) based, the canonical patriarchates - especially the long-established patriarchates of the pentarchy [Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem] - are all part of a single Orthodox Church no matter what the ethnic make-up of their geographical jurisdictions are.

For example, when Theophilus III's predecessor Irineos was deposed, the deposition (which the Israeli government, uniquely, initially refused to recognise - possibly because Irineos was deposed largely for selling Christian Palestinian church property in the Old City to Israeli settler groups) was arranged through a pan-Orthodox council of all Orthodox jurisdictions convened by the Patriarch of Constantinople.

Rather deliciously, the Knesset sits on land owned by the Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem, and leased out to the Israeli state.

But I'll address some of this in RP this evening.

Hey, no more fighting in my church eh? :)
Trust the two Jewbees in NSWC to RP this out first. :)

I looked at the article to make sure I got proper spelling. Of course the article I used was also translated from Hebrew by Israelis so trusting them might not be the best thing.

Also I thought that the idea would be a fun one to RP, hope no offense is taken by Arch or anybody else on this forum. It's all in jest

I was just nitpicking. Played right into my hands considering I'm the only Israel/Holy Land here.

Hey, no more fighting in my church eh? :)


Because you God's Chosen People never disagree over anything, right. ;)

You beat Jeru FC but all too late ...

Unfortunalely...

The irony is that I was either 3-1 or 2-2 against the teams above me (Jeru FC / Macabees), and thene completely tossed it by sucking against teams ranked lower than me. Oh well, It's a good chance to start fresh with the Copa de Harmony.

There's an NS2?

Post-qualifying rankings are now available. As always, they come in three flavors:


Vanilla (http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth681k/ns/WC43%20Post-Qual%20Rankings.pdf) (PDF)
Strawberry (http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth681k/ns/WC43%20Post-Qual%20Rankings.ods) (ODF)
Chocolate (http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth681k/ns/WC43%20Post-Qual%20Rankings.xls) (Excel)


Bon appetit!

Also, the group draw for the World Cup proper will occur tomorrow night at 6:45 p.m. Eastern (2345 UTC). Matchday 1 will be on Thursday.

As is typical when any new rankings come out...

Rennidan is 25th, that means FIFA thinks we're Ghana and Elo thinks we're Ireland.

Viltek is 81st, so FIFA thinks they're Benin and Elo thinks they're Qatar...

Woo?

Hmmm, I can't tell if that's more or less attractive than being Egypt or Bulgaria.

Because you God's Chosen People never disagree over anything, right. ;)

It's our job to disagree over everything.

At #39...

FIFA- Norway
ELO- Ecuador/Saudi Arabia (tie)

Moving up.... slightly.

55 means FIFA thinks we're Korea, and ELO says New Zealand

Ad’ihan 14th:
FIFA — England (sigh, I've been England for at least two cups now)
ELO — Uruguay

Liventia 54th:
FIFA — New Zealand
ELO — Slovakia

Looks like I get to choose from...
#16 Vephrall - Israel (FIFA), Romania (Élő)
#103 Panuul - Iceland (FIFA), Togo/Moldova/Thailand (Élő, actually tied for 102nd)

Jeruselem (11th)
FIFA = France
ELO = Mexico/Paraguay

Jeru FC (33rd)
FIFA = Colombia
ELO = Australia = Drink lots of beer

Post-qualifying rankings are now available. As always, they come in three flavors:


Vanilla (http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth681k/ns/WC43%20Post-Qual%20Rankings.pdf) (PDF)
Strawberry (http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth681k/ns/WC43%20Post-Qual%20Rankings.ods) (ODF)
Chocolate (http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth681k/ns/WC43%20Post-Qual%20Rankings.xls) (Excel)


Bon appetit!

You forgot Rocky Road (ie: just posting them in the thread :$)

9th::KPB-Qazox::Elo-Croatia::FIFA-Russia

#59

FIFA - Belarus

I think the secret is that next time you need to add an ELO and FIFA column to the rankings, as who really gives a shit who anyone else compares to, and it would hopefully stop:

Starblaydia, 5th!
ELO - Germany (oooooooh!)
FIFA - Netherlands (way-hey!)


etc.

Indeed - it would also stop me saying that West Zirconia, in position no.49, equates to Senegal.

It would also stop me admitting that I couldn't be bothered finding the Elo equivalent.

I think the secret is that next time you need to add an ELO and FIFA column to the rankings, as who really gives a shit who anyone else compares to, and it would hopefully stop:

Starblaydia, 5th!
ELO - Germany (oooooooh!)
FIFA - Netherlands (way-hey!)


etc.

That sounds an awful lot like having volunteered yourself to look those up for 130-odd nations every time the rankings are updated. :D

That sounds an awful lot like having volunteered yourself to look those up for 130-odd nations every time the rankings are updated. :D

No, no, no, I'm an ideas man. I don't actually do things, I just think of them for others to do.

I'm not just posting this to get a link via my sig to the nswiki, honest

We are 2nd in the world, we are 2nd in the world! GO TEAM!

Bostopia - Italy.

The Bostopian Empire - Togo.

Go team?

71... There is no 71 on the Fifa list... And on ELO Macedonia.

35 again. The hole that stopped me last time.

that means Columbia Elo just ahead of the Ivory coast andw Northern Ireland Fifa. Woh

Though these will change tomorrow as the new rankings will come in.

Edit Post: 1093

Oh dear, Jeru FC get the Purple Menace again!

A FYI for you Jeruselem, the Vanorian Senate has decided to only allow entrance of your NT staff and players after World Cup 39's incident.

a fyi for you jeruselem, the vanorian senate has decided to only allow entrance of your nt staff and players after world cup 39's incident.

nt?

National team...

National team...

Goddit! Weird timing, you picked the cup when Marie is playing.

Wow. That was dissapoijgtin and our new cup rank of 56th proves it.

ELO: Peru (I can't feel my face.) Fifa: Algeria (I don't have a joke here)

First impressions of the Group draws:

Toughest group: Group B
2nd toughest group: Group C
Easiest group (not by much): Group D

The Valanora side looks very tough.

Group 1 2 3 4 Average of all Avg of top 3 Avg of bottom 3
A 1 12 21 27 15.25 11.33 20.00
B 7 10 20 26 15.75 12.33 18.67
F 5 13 18 33 17.25 12.00 21.33
G 4 14 22 30 17.50 13.33 22.00
H 2 16 19 34 17.75 12.33 23.00
C 8 17 23 28 19.00 16.00 23.00
E 9 15 24 29 19.25 16.00 22.67
D 3 11 25 41 20.00 13.00 25.67


Some interesting stats

I stand by my previous statement, don't confuse me with facts!

I stand by my previous statement, don't confuse me with facts!

Group D is a bit distorted as 41st ranked team is in there.

Cup of Harmony 35 Announcement

At present we have 21 signups, and would really like to get to 24. We have yet to hear from An Blasacod Mor, Bushdome, Kelssek, Panuul, Saturday Sport, and Seventy Ninth Entrant.

We should have three more possibilities out of you guys, right? A couple of these nations were made to make a friendly number for the World Cup. Being that you are eligible for the Cup of Harmony, it would be very appreciated if we got some help to make a nice friendly number for the Cup of Harmony. ;)

Cup of Harmony 35 Announcement

At present we have 21 signups, and would really like to get to 24. We have yet to hear from An Blasacod Mor, Bushdome, Kelssek, Panuul, Saturday Sport, and Seventy Ninth Entrant.

We should have three more possibilities out of you guys, right? A couple of these nations were made to make a friendly number for the World Cup. Being that you are eligible for the Cup of Harmony, it would be very appreciated if we got some help to make a nice friendly number for the Cup of Harmony. ;)


If you get stuck on 21 teams, it seems to me that your best options revolve around three groups of 7 teams.

You then have the following options for the knock-out stages:

1) Top two teams in each group go through automatically; third-placed teams and best 4th-placed team go into play-off for remaining two spots.

2) Top two teams and third-placed team with best record go through automatically; two remaining 3rd-placed teams in play-off for last remaining spot.

Just so that it doesn't become an issue later, I am announcing that all Demot matches are being scorinated by a nuetral 3rd party to avoid any bias from either host (my puppet, Veph's region). The person in question is not in the World Cup nor have they participated in it in many editions. Anyways, good luck to all :p

Group 1 2 3 4 Average of all Avg of top 3 Avg of bottom 3
A 1 12 21 27 15.25 11.33 20.00
B 7 10 20 26 15.75 12.33 18.67
F 5 13 18 33 17.25 12.00 21.33
G 4 14 22 30 17.50 13.33 22.00
H 2 16 19 34 17.75 12.33 23.00
C 8 17 23 28 19.00 16.00 23.00
E 9 15 24 29 19.25 16.00 22.67
D 3 11 25 41 20.00 13.00 25.67


Some interesting stats

I prefer the more substantial range and STD stats myself.

Group 1 2 3 4 STD STD(P) Range Range:STD(P)
A 1 12 21 27 11.32 10.14 26 2.56
B 7 10 20 26 8.81 9.92 19 1.91
C 8 17 23 28 8.60 9.90 20 2.02
D 3 11 25 41 16.69 10.74 38 3.54
E 9 15 24 29 8.96 9.93 20 2.01
F 5 13 18 33 11.79 10.16 28 2.76
G 4 14 22 30 11.12 10.10 26 2.58
H 2 16 19 34 13.12 10.29 32 3.11


Group B - by rank - is the closest group, followed by Group E, then by Group C. Not surprisingly, Group D is the most distant group.

Just to explain - STD is the standard deviation of the ranks of the members of the group; STD(P) is the standard deviation of the ranks of the members of the group relative to the rest of the World Cup members. If you have a higher STD(P) value compared to your STD value, then your group is considered "more difficult" than the standardized group in the World Cup. If your STD(P) value is lower than your STD value, then your group is considered to be "less difficult" than the standardized group of the World Cup.

Of course, this is all just basic statistics and there's probably a more complicated way to calculate all of this (*fails at statistics tbh...*)

EDIT - I've just realized that these stats would be applicable in a general sense - difficulty, of course, is relative to the person's position. To get the best idea of group difficulty, you'd probably need to calculate it per individual team per group and then try to calculate it all in some massive mess of numbers that I'm not going to entertain today.

SEE? I told ya'll that Group B was the hardest!

Now this is a winner of nation name
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14205602&postcount=62

:)

Hmm maybe.

We also promise not to call the reigning WCC first hierarch "Fr. Magikarp" nor claim that he will one day evolve into a dragon and consume all the nonbelievers.

Am I the only one who destroyed a keyboard at this?

Good to see I'm causing chaos, intended or otherwise :-D

Good to see I'm causing chaos, intended or otherwise :-D

You planning to take over that role from me then? :tongue:

Now this is a winner of nation name
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14205602&postcount=62

:)

We welcome Sarah Palin to the NSWC!:hail::hail:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7728407.stm

Arch, I know you're into archeology, but...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7728407.stm



How does one "not notice" the absence of a large, gilded building... They must be hitting the vodka pretty hard this year back in the motherland.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7728407.stm

Arch, I know you're into archeology, but...

Maybe it is in Arch's backyard!

I think some of those churches are made of wood and not stone. So stealing a medieval European church is just about impossible since you have to move quite a bit of tonnage but moving a wooden church is simpler relatively.

Maybe it is in Arch's backyard!

I think some of those churches are made of wood and not stone. So stealing a medieval European church is just about impossible since you have to move quite a bit of tonnage but moving a wooden church is simpler relatively.

I don't have a back yard, only a front one. My 'street' pre-dates the 19th-century town development around us, so what would have been our back garden was eliminated by a subsequent road; I have a lovely rural feel from the front, but the nearest [Russian] Orthodox church is 30 minutes away.

I believe that the missing church in question was brick, not wood or stone. It's a 19th-century structure.

Brick churches are fairly easy to take apart if you have the right equipment. Coincidentally enough, my very first archaeology project, almost precisely 20 years ago now, was on a 17th-century Catholic brick chapel in colonial Maryland (USA). When the church fell into disuse, the local population quickly dismantled it brick by brick, leaving only the foundations behind.

What puzzles me, however, is how you could dismantle a church without anyone noticing!

Just so this remains vaguely on-topic, feel free to be inspired by this in the RP thread. Just where did that new Orthodox Chapel that appeared outside the ground prior to the 4-1 victory over Dancougar come from anyway?

Looks like professional crooks in Russia are stealing everything they are can dismantle and selling it.

I am in complete awe of that scoreline. 5-0 over C&M, I must be dreaming.

"A sort of second-grade Basileus of the Holy Empire, Basil. Except without any the intelligence, foresight, culture, and basic all-around scintillating wit, and more with a love of the simple things in life. Like a nice cup of tea. And... OH YES! THE EMPEROR BOSTON IS ENJOYING HIS FIRST CUP OF TEA OF THE MATCH!!!! And I think it's Earl Grey!"

I haven't seen the WC RP thread in a couple days, but I think that I'll be bookmarking that RP for future laughs.

Prux - sent you a tg. Well, two.

Jeru FC 3-2 Bazalonia

Wow ... this is amazing stuff ...

At this time, I'd also like to remind everyone that Group F is not being scorinated by me or Vephrall, but by a nuetral 3rd party who is not participating in the WC. They will also be scorinating whatever matches Demot will have in the KO round if Vephrall manages to progress.

And now, I'm off to kill some Gauls :D

WORLD CUP COMMITTEE PRESIDENTIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

I'd like to request that bids for co-hosting the next World Cup, and competing bids to host/co-host the next Baptism of Fire (which currently looks like being the smallest BoF in a very, very long time) be finalised and officially announced in this thread in the next 72 hours so I can arrange an official vote.

Thank you.

Your World Cup Committee President.

Just curious, who votes on it?

Everyone who has posted a roster for the both of the most recent World Cups (42 and 43) can vote on World Cup hosts, and so can all past World Cup hosts. Past World Cup hosts are the only people allowed to vote for Baptism of Fire hosts.

WORLD CUP COMMITTEE PRESIDENTIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

Two notes:

(1) I'm still working on the WCC rule collation (school work can be such a pain, not to mention that I've written like 5 drafts already that I all hate);

(2) I have some MSS posts that would desire some humourous reply. You can post them in your normal WC RPs or in the CoH thread, but I'd much be happy to see your "formal" reaction to silly (non-dogmatic) Catholic demands to convert.

Everyone who has posted a roster for the both of the most recent World Cups (42 and 43) can vote on World Cup hosts, and so can all past World Cup hosts. Past World Cup hosts are the only people allowed to vote for Baptism of Fire hosts.

Incidentally, it's the WCC President's responsibility to provide a list of eligible WCC and EWCC electors.

I'd like to request that bids for co-hosting the next World Cup, and competing bids to host/co-host the next Baptism of Fire (which currently looks like being the smallest BoF in a very, very long time) be finalised and officially announced in this thread in the next 72 hours so I can arrange an official vote.

You mean like this? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=573240)

Every time I try to open "Cup" file in the NSFootySim, it keeps saying

Error 101: File Not Found:

Incidentally, it's the WCC President's responsibility to provide a list of eligible WCC and EWCC electors.

I know.

<sigh>

Baz has supplied me with a spreadsheet to track all roster threads to help me track WCC eligibility, but it hasn't been updated since WC 37.

Incidentally, did you realise more nations posted rosters in World Cups 29 and 30 than signed up for WC 43? Though WC 43 had more rosters than WC 37.

I'll supply a list of eligible voters when I arrange the vote.

We now have two BoF hosting bids, but still no formal finalised World Cup 44 bid.

When I arrange the vote, I'll ask WCC vice-president Zwangzug to count BoF hosting votes as I'm involved with one of the bids.

Newmanistan and West Zirconia: Just what are you using to scorinate the Cup of Harmony? It is clear through the formatting of your tables that it is not NSFS 2.0.7 as stated in your bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=571414). So if you could please explain yourselves, it would be appreciated.

Newmanistan and West Zirconia: Just what are you using to scorinate the Cup of Harmony? It is clear through the formatting of your tables that it is not NSFS 2.0.7 as stated in your bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=571414). So if you could please explain yourselves, it would be appreciated.

Let's not be too hasty. They might be scorinating via NSFS 2.0.7, but then doing the tables by hand for some as yet unclear reason.

But some sort of clarification would probably be helpful.

Given that NSFS outputs perfect tables with scores, I see no reason they would be doing them by hand.

Given that NSFS outputs perfect tables with scores, I see no reason they would be doing them by hand.

Me neither, to be honest - but I think they should be given a chance to explain what's going on before we leap to conclusions. There might be a perfectly logical explanation.

Arch, are you going to post our bid thread, or should I?

Still looking for a willing victim to co-host 44...

Newmanistan and West Zirconia: Just what are you using to scorinate the Cup of Harmony? It is clear through the formatting of your tables that it is not NSFS 2.0.7 as stated in your bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=571414). So if you could please explain yourselves, it would be appreciated.

Let's not be too hasty. They might be scorinating via NSFS 2.0.7, but then doing the tables by hand for some as yet unclear reason.

But some sort of clarification would probably be helpful.

Given that NSFS outputs perfect tables with scores, I see no reason they would be doing them by hand.

Me neither, to be honest - but I think they should be given a chance to explain what's going on before we leap to conclusions. There might be a perfectly logical explanation.

From what it appears, they're using an excel spreadsheet to generate the tables. The extra spaces have been generated by using tabs (which is one fun characteristic of excel spreadsheets).

Echoing the statements of Ad'ihan and the Archregimancy, I'm slightly confused as to why they need to do that if they've got tables generated by NSFS. Judging by the absence of any tie-breaking criteria, I'm presuming that they're doing this manually to calculate an unspecified tie-breaking criteria besides that which is provided by NSFS2.0.7. Speculation...

*stops this pointless game*


Every time I try to open "Cup" file in the NSFootySim, it keeps saying

Error 101: File Not Found:

Have you uploaded a "cup" file? I learned a long time ago that loading a "league" file in "cup" mode will tend to crash the program (mostly because my computer is an old relic that belongs in the Archregimancy's collection of unorthodox icons). Also, if you don't extract the files, you can't use the program (I might be wrong here...). It seems that the former part is your problem though.


Still looking for a willing victim to co-host 44...

I am not volunteering, but I'd make a recommendation that one of our wonderful budding new players could take this opportunity to co-host the WC with an experienced host. I know we have a bunch of entrepreneur players, and perhaps it's their time to try at it.

I will admit, I'm tempted by Kry's proposition. But I don't know if I'd have the time for it.

I will admit, I'm tempted by Kry's proposition. But I don't know if I'd have the time for it.

Of course you will have time for it! If you plan for it!

Qualification is the hardest part to get through, since you've got so many teams (and presumably RPs), but after that, it's not that hard.



EDIT --- wrong nation, but you know that it's me :p

...

Hmm? I don't like the ring of 'victim'... :P

I'm not sure it's safe to jump straight from a tiny BoF bid to a massive WC one ^_^;

I'm not sure it's safe to jump straight from a tiny BoF bid to a massive WC one ^_^;

What could possibly go wrong? :)

Of course you will have time for it! If you plan for it!

I'm definetly considering putting my hand up for it, but I'll wait a day or two and see if anyone else that can give a definate will stand out for it first.

What could possibly go wrong? :)

Hosting a World Cup of fail before Yafalonia and Bazor 2 can? :-D

Arch, are you going to post our bid thread, or should I?

Traditionally, the BoF hasn't needed a full bid thread - I was semi-seriously thinking of asking Dancougar politely if he'd mind us hitchhiking onto his thread, and then using it as the all-round easy-to-reference BoF bid thread.

However, since our bid would take place in Myedvedeya, even while being officially co-hosted, by all means start a separate bid thread; you know your nation better than I do.

Just make sure there's a nice shiny Orthodox element for the opening ceremony, and that Fr. Polycarp, the Monastic Football Association, the Holy Synod of the Archregimancy, and the Orthodox Church of the Holy Empire all get a mention.


And Rennidan and/or Dancougar - either of you should feel free to take Krytenia up on his offer. He's an experienced and highly-regarded host, and would be more than capable of giving either of you superb support.

Traditionally, the BoF hasn't needed a full bid thread - I was semi-seriously thinking of asking Dancougar politely if he'd mind us hitchhiking onto his thread, and then using it as the all-round easy-to-reference BoF bid thread.

However, since our bid would take place in Myedvedeya, even while being officially co-hosted, by all means start a separate bid thread; you know your nation better than I do.

Just make sure there's a nice shiny Orthodox element for the opening ceremony, and that Fr. Polycarp, the Monastic Football Association, the Holy Synod of the Archregimancy, and the Orthodox Church of the Holy Empire all get a mention.


I'll start with OOC info and stadiums/Information about Myedvedeya. Your talents at entertaining orthodox RP exceed mine, however, so I would request that you write the portion including the Fr.Polycarp, the MFA, the opening ceremony, and the like in a following post.

I'll start with OOC info and stadiums/Information about Myedvedeya. Your talents at entertaining orthodox RP exceed mine, however, so I would request that you write the portion including the Fr.Polycarp, the MFA, the opening ceremony, and the like in a following post.


Will do!

I can think of at least one reason why they're doin it by hand. When I did World Bowl 3, I had absolutely no idea how to use the stop and resume functions. I still don't know how to do that while being able to update RP scoring between games. So every game I would update the files, reroll, and then scroll down to where the particular match day was, then fill the requisite numbers into excel. Maybe they're having the same sort of issue.

I’m sorry that this has caused people to get upset, but all I did was copy and paste that table from NSFS onto the spreadsheet where I am calculating RP bonus just so I would have everything in one place. I guess I didn’t have to do this. The reason I do is probably going back to my World Bowl experience, where you double-scorinate, therefore you need to combine and thus doing this became a force of habit for me. When I run java programs on my computer, because I have an issue with an internal part in my computer, it tends to get hot (and at that time, since I had been doing other things too it was getting quite hot), so I closed out of NSFS and copy & pasted from the spreadsheet. I also didn’t realize that there would appear to be such a formatting difference with tabs and such.

I’m sorry that what I thought was an innocent and simple act caused a ruckus and will be sure to copy and paste from the program tomorrow.

Traditionally, the BoF hasn't needed a full bid thread - I was semi-seriously thinking of asking Dancougar politely if he'd mind us hitchhiking onto his thread, and then using it as the all-round easy-to-reference BoF bid thread.

Go for it.

Ooh... I'm going to regret this...

If nobody else would have any objection, I'd put myself up as co-host for the next WC.

*redownloads Java*
*redownloads NSFS*
*redownloads Xchat*

To be honest, my experience is rather small, even with NSFS. I only hosted one round of the Nethertopian A-League, before leaving these forums because of... Some issues. Nethertopia would be keen to host the tournament, but I seriously doubt my skills for hosting. I was actually going to launch a tennis tournament shortly, but we'll shove that plan away for the moment if we'd be getting to host the WC. Also, my country's football skills might be lacking for the tourney.

That said, Nethertopia should be looking for a few places on our nice islands to build a few stadiums, if we're going to be approved as hosts. We'll see.

Does anyone have the link to NSFS 2.06?

Does anyone have the link to NSFS 2.06?

Theres a link to the latest NSFS in Vephrall's Sig. The current stable version is 2.07 but if you want 2.06. I think you should just be able to change the 7 to a 6, though I haven't tested it and don't know if it will work.

Theres a link to the latest NSFS in Vephrall's Sig. The current stable version is 2.07 but if you want 2.06. I think you should just be able to change the 7 to a 6, though I haven't tested it and don't know if it will work.

Correct.

Ooh... I'm going to regret this...

If nobody else would have any objection, I'd put myself up as co-host for the next WC.

*redownloads Java*
*redownloads NSFS*
*redownloads Xchat*

To be honest, my experience is rather small, even with NSFS. I only hosted one round of the Nethertopian A-League, before leaving these forums because of... Some issues. Nethertopia would be keen to host the tournament, but I seriously doubt my skills for hosting. I was actually going to launch a tennis tournament shortly, but we'll shove that plan away for the moment if we'd be getting to host the WC. Also, my country's football skills might be lacking for the tourney.

That said, Nethertopia should be looking for a few places on our nice islands to build a few stadiums, if we're going to be approved as hosts. We'll see.

If you yourself doubt you're able to do it, might I suggest bidding for the BoF first? Alternatively, since there are already good competing bids, you could always bid for next cup's CoH and then bid for WC45.

I can think of at least one reason why they're doin it by hand. When I did World Bowl 3, I had absolutely no idea how to use the stop and resume functions. I still don't know how to do that while being able to update RP scoring between games. So every game I would update the files, reroll, and then scroll down to where the particular match day was, then fill the requisite numbers into excel. Maybe they're having the same sort of issue.

Precisely my reason. I reckoned it would be safer, though more time-consuming, to do it as individual matches and do the tables by hand.

Hopefully I haven't committed an unforgiveable sin in doing it thus.

Even if you're doing them as individual matches, NSFS should still give you good aligned tables which you can then do the mathematics on, so...

OK.... Why is the #9 team in the world, who RP'd every day not advancing, while 2 teams lower ranked than #9, who haven't RP'd as much, are advancing?

OH wait... NM... Margaret just told me she doesn't like people who pause a RP idea halfway though to continue it in WC44, 'cause the #9 team in the world wouldn't have enough RPing time to conclude the storyline he started in WC43.

It makes perfect sense to me then.

Why is Starblaydia always getting in Jeru FC's way! :(

And Rennidan and/or Dancougar - either of you should feel free to take Krytenia up on his offer. He's an experienced and highly-regarded host, and would be more than capable of giving either of you superb support.

Oh, I certainly don't doubt that. I'll keep it in mind for next cycle.

I'll start with OOC info and stadiums/Information about Myedvedeya. Your talents at entertaining orthodox RP exceed mine, however, so I would request that you write the portion including the Fr.Polycarp, the MFA, the opening ceremony, and the like in a following post.

Linky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=573290) for people who haven't seen it yet.

I updated the Cup of Harmony wiki page and the World cup template if no one minded.

http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=Cup_of_Harmony
http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=Template:World_Cup

If you yourself doubt you're able to do it, might I suggest bidding for the BoF first? Alternatively, since there are already good competing bids, you could always bid for next cup's CoH and then bid for WC45.

That's what I thought too, but since no one popped up, I just thought it'd be an option if nobody else signed up. A sort of back up plan, y'know.

<sigh>

The Dreamed Realm: Bringing you chronic sporting underachievement since World Cup 1.

Ah well, at least now I'll have time to spruce up my half of the BoF co-host bid later today.

That's what I thought too, but since no one popped up, I just thought it'd be an option if nobody else signed up. A sort of back up plan, y'know.

Argh. As I'm sure most people are thinking, this 'oh, I'll do it if no one else does' isn't going to get us anywhere. xD

I'll buffer up my previous interest in co-hosting with Krytenia and actively plan some time for scorination and the such. I've got experience with NSFS, and I'm a generally loveable chap.

Plus, I'm a sucker for the irony, as Krytenia was hosting the first World Cup I ever competed in. So how 'bout it, Kry? You and me for World Cup 44?

Even if you're doing them as individual matches, NSFS should still give you good aligned tables which you can then do the mathematics on, so...

Unless you're doing football. We use the same scorinator for American Football that we do for soccer, but it's a whole different issue when you scorinate twice and scorination a is worth more than scorination b and etc.

sigh...it's a labor of love. :p

BAPTISM OF FIRE VOTING

I'm a little busy in RL tonight, so I'll arrange for a formal BoF vote between the two competing bids in the next couple of days.

This will keep the hosting process ticking along while we wait for WC44 co-host proposals to be finalised.

Thanks for your patience.

Anyone know how to get 2.0.7 to work on Linux?

Edit. damn computer. I have java, but when I try to open the file with it I get nothing.

Anyone know how to get 2.0.7 to work on Linux?

Edit. damn computer. I have java, but when I try to open the file with it I get nothing.

Generic things to look out for...

Is the Java executable locateable? ie Is it actually starting Java to run NSFS to begin with?
Are you doing it from within KDE/GNOME or any other GUI for linux?
Are you actually directing Java to the right file?
Are you using the 'jar' switch to tell Java to process it as a Jar file?

We can't specificially help you if you can't post the exact error message and where it went wrong.

Thanks, Baz.

I got it. Who knew capitalization was so important when you're trying to run something? It couldn't find it and i was raging because I was sitting there looking it it while it was telling me I couldn't find it, mainly because I refused to capitalize anything.

Now to write it down so I don't forget.

Thanks, Baz.

I got it. Who knew capitalization was so important when you're trying to run something? It couldn't find it and i was raging because I was sitting there looking it it while it was telling me I couldn't find it, mainly because I refused to capitalize anything.

Now to write it down so I don't forget.

oh, yes - Capitalisation is always important in linux!

Host Announcement

Friday's Scorination of the Vephrall region will be taking place approximately 3 hours earlier than typical scorination time (1:00 UTC). Also as noted in the RP thread, today's scorination of the Valanora region will be taking place at 4:00 UTC due to RL issues.

Ooh 'eck, how have I made it through to the Quarters?

*scrolls up in Scores thread*

Wow.

Better post a roster, at least. :-/

Ooh 'eck, how have I made it through to the Quarters?

Lovisa, too. So all of qualifying group eight gets to join this party. Woo?

Since when has Lovisa ever done anything except post the same roster cup after cup and "Lovisa in" and "Lovisa win" to deserve a quarter final spot?!

Since when has Lovisa ever done anything except post the same roster cup after cup and "Lovisa in" and "Lovisa win" to deserve a quarter final spot?!

Must be the ediraf kits?

look Im quite busy in RL and I havent a lot of time to spend on forum. I try to be every day for a moment so, forgive me if u can, if u cant its a pity.

Presidential Announcement

Voting for the 31st Baptism of Fire is now open.

Follow this link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14230159&postcount=70)for details.

Argh. As I'm sure most people are thinking, this 'oh, I'll do it if no one else does' isn't going to get us anywhere. xD

I'll buffer up my previous interest in co-hosting with Krytenia and actively plan some time for scorination and the such. I've got experience with NSFS, and I'm a generally loveable chap.

Plus, I'm a sucker for the irony, as Krytenia was hosting the first World Cup I ever competed in. So how 'bout it, Kry? You and me for World Cup 44?

In the words of a great fictional character:

"Fire up the Quattro."

Let's do this.

Excellent. If you want to drop me a TG with a contact address or an IM name or something, we can start talking about ideas and the such then.

I'll state, for the record, that I have no problem with Lovisa's current success.

Remember that RP'ing only increases your chances of winning rather than guaranteeing it; everyone also has the right to participate according to their ability.

If Lovisa doesn't have time to RP, but still wants to be included, that's fine by me. If Lovisa doesn't have time to RP, but does surprisingly well, I'm fine with that too.

A quick look at his sig file will show he's been around longer than most.

Excellent. If you want to drop me a TG with a contact address or an IM name or something, we can start talking about ideas and the such then.

Or, you know, PM chat on IRC :D

That could work too if I had IRC on this laptop. Gimme a sec to install it. Or give me an hour or two until I can get on the normal pc. xD

Voting Deadline.

9:00pm Greenwich meantime, Monday the 24th of November.I won't have computer access at that exact time. It's possible that I will at some point in the preceding hour, and I'll certainly have some later on (most likely around Tuesday at 1 am GMT/UTC). Just so nobody is hung up on the minutiae...

Once again from the murky depths of the NSWorld: OXEN CUP 9 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=573664) is back. Sign up today and get a free RP bonus!
(RP bonus void in Qazox and for any nation participating in Oxen Cup 9).

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Qazox's 666 post in this thread

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Qazox's 666 post in this thread

That damn many? :eek: I guess it is true, I am the Anti-christ!

Wouldn't you have ruined that by posting a 667th post? ;)

That damn many? :eek: I guess it is true, I am the Anti-christ!

Official theological opinion from the Orthodox World Cup Committee President:

Qazox is not the anti-Christ.

"According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is: The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal"

Which makes me kind of scared, as this description fits the man who's currently in the most powerful position in the world ;)

Considering that Revelation was written about 540 years before the foundation of Islam, I would take that attribute with a pinch if salt.

In addition, I cannot for the life of me remember ever reading the Antichrist's age in Revelation.

It was posted merely for your entertainment, not meant seriously. But anyway, ready to get kicked out of the CoH by them Falcons? :P

Oh man oh man, are we going to get an Epic Qualifying Group 8 Rematch final, an All Elves All The Time final, or one of the Other Less Interesting Combinations?

WC44 ANNOUNCEMENT

I will be sending an all girl team to WC44 as Greal's national team.

Oh man oh man, are we going to get an Epic Qualifying Group 8 Rematch final, an All Elves All The Time final, or one of the Other Less Interesting Combinations?

Guess that Group 8 was a tough one after all?

Go get 'em!

WC44 ANNOUNCEMENT

I will be sending an all girl team to WC44 as Greal's national team.

Girl power!

Signed
Dazza Dallas

Go Dancougar v. Lovisa:

NEWBLOOD RISING vs. the biggest arguement against RPing.

It was posted merely for your entertainment, not meant seriously. But anyway, ready to get kicked out of the CoH by them Falcons? :P

Hmmm...I'd take that last comment with the same pinch of salt... ;)

Interesting to see the rise of female teams in these competitions. Fine, as long as they don't go around seducing the opposition on the pitch.

But that would be so much fun to read. Jeru already does a lot of stuff like that, not that i read most rps though.

... not that i read most rps though.

(Tae, i apologize in advance for this...)

LEAST SHOCKING STATEMENT EVER POSTED ON THIS THREAD!

But that would be so much fun to read. Jeru already does a lot of stuff like that, not that i read most rps though.


Obviously I didn't put enough :rolleyes:;):p into my last statement for it to be taken as being tongue-in-cheek.
You didn't read about the mass seduction that went on in the Cassadaigua-West Zirconia match, then?!

You didn't read about the mass seduction that went on in the Cassadaigua-West Zirconia match, then?!
Post a link! ;)


Okay, so anyway the Bears are sending a team to the next 'Baptism of Fire' but my knowledge of the rules is incomplete: Is there any 'legal' limit on the number of 'reserve' players that a team can bring along? And, for that matter, how many substitutions (for injured or uninjured players) are allowed during a match?

General team size is 23-26 players.

11 starting players; 7 substitutes, maximum 3 used (including injuries).

Post a link! ;)


OK, you asked for it - though there is a twist to the story...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14226282&postcount=115

Read the next post as well - I found Cassadaigua's subsequent version of the game just as amusing, if not more so.

General team size is 23-26 players.

11 starting players; 7 substitutes, maximum 3 used (including injuries).
Thank you.

Personally, I only take 18 players to each tournament. Who needs reserves anyway?

Browsing the signups thread brought up a player identification question...

Kjomasasopia has signed up with a puppet, Deep South Sopia, which is perfectly fine. A user can control two nations competing in the World Cup, but not three. The country of Idanno also signed up (on the 12th) without affiliation to a master or puppet nation.

In this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=572267) Dastardly Stench offers control of Idanno to other users. Kjomasasopia claimed it, and received it (post 6) on the 11th.

Things are further complicated in the signup thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=573015) for WBC 9. Kjomasasopia confirms Idanno's signup for that tournament, having explained (on the 15th) that he's taking care of a friend's nation.

It's quite possible that we have an honest misunderstanding about signup limits, and/or that Kjomasasopia passed control of Idanno to a third party after receving it from Dastardly Stench. Let's not jump to any conclusions, but I'd personally appreciate it if Kjomasasopia and/or Idanno could explain the situation.

I don't suppose that there's an easy quick list of former World Cup hosts somewhere that I can use to chea... I mean, cut and paste to help me quickly compile a list of WCC members for WC44 host voting purposes?

I've already compiled the list of those who posted rosters in the last two tournaments.

Thanks.

The EWCC list at the end of this page (http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=World_Cup_Committee) is now up-to-date.

Well Q at least i dont do as bad as i used to(although that was a bit sketchy on my last World Bowl post) I only read the ones that directly relate to me, and the post based on rankings.

Is there any 'legal' limit on the number of 'reserve' players that a team can bring along? And, for that matter, how many substitutions (for injured or uninjured players) are allowed during a match?

I'm not sure if there's a legal limit, although normally you're allowed eleven starters and I think five named substitutes (you use up to three) per match, and your roster can otherwise be as large as you want.

Interesting to see the rise of female teams in these competitions. Fine, as long as they don't go around seducing the opposition on the pitch.

Why do you think I choose a female team for WC44? :tongue:

I'm not sure if there's a legal limit, although normally you're allowed eleven starters and I think five named substitutes (you use up to three) per match, and your roster can otherwise be as large as you want.

Close, it is actually 7 named substitues, of which they have even made so in the English Premier League as well.

I was (and still am) absent for some days due to a short trip, which I've decided to do just in the last moment (the reason why there was no warning). Will return tomorrow night...

...interesting how the World Cup went while I was (and am) away.

Valanora 8-0 Lovisa @ Artani, Mar Sara


Dios Mío...

Why do you think I choose a female team for WC44? :tongue:

Jeruselem don't do that ON the field of play ... we'd do it if it was legal still :p

Dios Mío...

What does that mean?

something me i think ESF, though i could be wrong. Im not exactly a foreign language expert.

What does that mean?

Yay for #nssport telling me it means "My god" :p

Well i almost was right on one of the words.

In a tourney co-hosted by Valanora, somehow BOTH Valanora (defending champions) and his puppet Demot, (a consistantly top-ten ranked team) reached the finals???

Not accusing anyone of anything, just stating facts.

In a tourney co-hosted by Valanora, somehow BOTH Valanora (defending champions) and his puppet Demot, (a consistantly top-ten ranked team) reached the finals???

Not accusing anyone of anything, just stating facts.

If you want, I can provide the input files and the scorination files of every single matchday from me and the 3rd party who has been scorinating Demot's matches. I know you're not accusing me directly, but I kept all of those (and WC39 to) in case such ever arose. Trust me, I am just as shocked as you are that Demot have done this well, I have made my true opinions public in each and everyone of Demot's RPs. At best I expected a second round defeat.

No, I was just griping about the fact that I can't catch a freaking break in 17 consecutive damnned World Cups, while teams that came after me seem to be doing much better than I am.

Now I know how Arch feels. :(

Yay for #nssport telling me it means "My god" :p

:p
#nssport 是什么？ (what is #nssport?)

No, I was just griping about the fact that I can't catch a freaking break in 17 consecutive damnned World Cups, while teams that came after me seem to be doing much better than I am.

Now I know how Arch feels. :(

Yes, it's quite bad if a team like Jeru FC almost make the 2nd round as well

Close, it is actually 7 named substitues, of which they have even made so in the English Premier League as well.

Ah, I'm behind on the rules, then. In FIFA 07 it was still five. I figure I'm due for a game upgrade by the 2010 WC.

Now I know how Arch feels. :(


I suggest an advanced programme of ascetic hesychastic prayer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesychasm)in a search for quietude, acceptance, and inner peace.


Important note:
Incidentally, my next battery of tests for my medical condition is early this next week, so apologies in advance if there's a minor delay in organising a WC 44 host vote this week. However, if the formal bid is up and running and you haven't heard from me by Thursday, Zwangzug has my full permission to step in and organise the vote in my temporary absence.

Ah, I'm behind on the rules, then. In FIFA 07 it was still five. I figure I'm due for a game upgrade by the 2010 WC.

I think they just changed it this year...

In a tourney co-hosted by Valanora, somehow BOTH Valanora (defending champions) and his puppet Demot, (a consistantly top-ten ranked team) reached the finals???

Not accusing anyone of anything, just stating facts.

I've scorinated all the Valanora matches, so I can confirm he's not fixing anything there. Let's be honest, with that huge a rank differential over the rest of the field, what do you expect? :p

I think they just changed it this year...

Indeed they did.

Now, regarding second BoF eligibility, is there something I missed? Because I remember being provisionally accepted for the pre-38 BoF, and only taken out because of odd numbers (by Baza, if I remember rightly).

Can someone enlighten me?

Az-cz just expired in AO.

Az-cz just expired in AO.

Dash it all.

I claim Az-cz' 2 championships as my own!!!!

I claim Az-cz' 2 championships as my own!!!!

You can't do that! Who do you think you are, Capitalizt SLANI? :p

You can't do that! Who do you think you are, Capitalizt SLANI? :p

Well it maybe my only chance to "win" a World Cup. You can't begrudge me that. What if I give one to Arch and I keep the other one? Would that work? :D:p

Close, it is actually 7 named substitues, of which they have even made so in the English Premier League as well.

Ah, I'm behind on the rules, then. In FIFA 07 it was still five. I figure I'm due for a game upgrade by the 2010 WC.

Seven sounds right for most competitions, although I think in the World Cup finals and European Championship finals teams are allowed to have all twelve players from their squad who don't start the match on their bench.

Now, regarding second BoF eligibility, is there something I missed? Because I remember being provisionally accepted for the pre-38 BoF, and only taken out because of odd numbers (by Baza, if I remember rightly).

Can someone enlighten me?

Somewhere along the line we appear to have moved from the position that let Starblaydia into the 38th BoF - where you can enter a BoF once and once only in your career, and then only if you have 0 KPB points - to a position that as long as you've got 0 KPB points it's up to the hosts whether they let you in or not.

My position on this is fairly clear, and hasn't changed from when I was trying to get Starblaydia into a BoF after its hiatus: A team should only ever have one shot at the Baptism of Fire. If they didn't get one first time around and ended up coming back with 0 points to try the Cup again, sure thing, let em in. If they've had a go before in the BoF then they should just slide into the WC Qualifiers straight off, as they've had their shot to win it.

The current view of 'yeah, you can come in if we need the numbers' needs addressing, I think, as 'host discretion' is the beginnings of chaos if one decides to do it, and one decides not.



EDIT: As for substitutes, long as you only bring a maximum of three players on into the game, I think it's fair that you can have as few or as many players on the bench as you can be bothered to RP.

Somewhere along the line we appear to have moved from the position that let Starblaydia into the 38th BoF - where you can enter a BoF once and once only in your career, and then only if you have 0 KPB points - to a position that as long as you've got 0 KPB points it's up to the hosts whether they let you in or not.

My position on this is fairly clear, and hasn't changed from when I was trying to get Starblaydia into a BoF after its hiatus: A team should only ever have one shot at the Baptism of Fire. If they didn't get one first time around and ended up coming back with 0 points to try the Cup again, sure thing, let em in. If they've had a go before in the BoF then they should just slide into the WC Qualifiers straight off, as they've had their shot to win it.

The current view of 'yeah, you can come in if we need the numbers' needs addressing, I think, as 'host discretion' is the beginnings of chaos if one decides to do it, and one decides not.


I have now partially addressed this in the sign-up thread, but for what it's worth....

I believe that the rules specifically uphold Star's position, as listed above - which means that Kry's second BoF entry was technically against the rules.

This means that Sarzonia cannot participate in the next BoF.

I made a mistake here, partially because I had mis-remembered the rule, and partially because I'd missed Sarzonia's previous BoF entry. If I don't get around to correcting the sign-up page, anyone with access to the NSWC Signups account should feel free to make the relevant change.

So...
If either Dreamed Realm nation were to fall to 0 KPB points, both would be eligible for a BoF as neither nation has previously participated in the Baptism of Fire. In the Holy Empire's case, the BoF didn't exist prior to World Cup 1, so BoF participation was impossible then.

However, Starblaydia would be ineligible for a BoF as he has participated in one previously, even though that participation came after he actually won the World Cup.

I apologise for any lack of clarity over this point, but I think we have this sorted out now.

This again emphasises the importance of the single-reference collation of our rules currently being undertaken by Han, for which we'll owe him a debt of gratitude.

I have now partially addressed this in the sign-up thread, but for what it's worth....

I believe that the rules specifically uphold Star's position, as listed above - which means that Kry's second BoF entry was technically against the rules.

This means that Sarzonia cannot participate in the next BoF.
The rule (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12987751&postcount=52) does in fact give the host(s) discretion to admit any nation with 0 KPB points.

This again emphasises the importance of the single-reference collation of our rules currently being undertaken by Han, for which we'll owe him a debt of gratitude.
It had better be really necessary if we’re going to be indebted to Han :p

Pretty sure the BoF debate was more recent. We should be looking at around the time Starblaydia returned to the WC (WC38) — November 2007.

Yeah, I thought Star's understanding was correct as well, though I'll freely admit I'm not currently willing to go to the effort of trying to track it down. At any rate, if it isn't that way, it should be.

I'm not bothered either way, to be honest.

I'll go along with whatever the decision is.

Okay, as far as I can find in this thread, there was a general consensus (i.e. no opposition, unless you count the now-ceased Az-cz) that only nations not previously in a BoF and with a rank of 0 should be allowed in a BoF. However, it was never codified into an actual WCC rule.

Why do you think I choose a female team for WC44? :tongue:

What if I send a team of lesbians? :tongue:

What if I send a team of lesbians? :tongue:

:eek:

*statement reaches brains*

:hail:

:eek:

*statement reaches brains*

:hail:

Oh, lesbians aren't all THAT great. Bi girls are fun, though (I'd appreciate certain members of #nssport divulging no further information).

Anyway, we should stop objectifying women and seeing them only as objects of sexual desire. And now on a WC-related note: Dancougar, you are public enemy number one in Bostopia. Feel free to visit, but expect to be given directions that you will take you five minutes out of your way if you ask how to get somewhere.

HAH! That'll teach you!

And now on a WC-related note: Dancougar, you are public enemy number one in Bostopia. Feel free to visit, but expect to be given directions that you will take you five minutes out of your way if you ask how to get somewhere.

HAH! That'll teach you!

Only five minutes? After dealing with highway construction in Pittsburgh, that's incredible efficiency! :-D

By three votes to zero, Dancougar is confirmed as the host of the forthcoming Baptism of Fire. Congratulations!

...which means that Kry's second BoF entry was technically against the rules.

Except I never took part. I was excluded due to numbers.

But as President, you obviously knew that, and were just testing me. :D

What if I send a team of lesbians? :tongue:
Then you'd be Jeruselem.

And you'd still beat me on penalties.

World Cup XLIV Bid Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=574087)

Oh yes. We did that, right there.

Then you'd be Jeruselem.

And you'd still beat me on penalties.

There's only one race of the master bikes here.
All others are imitations! :p

What if I send a team of lesbians? :tongue:

Why do you think my coach has a sniper rifle? :tongue::D

WC44 sounds it's going be a bitch fight! :)

Anyway, we should stop objectifying women and seeing them only as objects of sexual desire.

Hmmm...perhaps I could poach that idea for the next Dorothy Beauchamp letters?


On the subject of teams of deploying women, whether lesbian or not, in the teams, surely the efficacy of such a tactic would depend on the sex and sexuality of the opposition?

Congratulations to Valanora on winning the 43rd World Cup.

Why do you think my coach has a sniper rifle? :tongue::D

Sarzonian uniforms: Now made with kevlar.

Sarzonian uniforms: Now made with kevlar.

That's no good ... need helmets too. Snipers go for headshots.

LOL LOL LOL LOL

I guess the NSWorld Cup is turning into the WOMEN'S WORLD CUP.. (just as I planned all along...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)

I thought it was becoming "The bow down to the Elves Cup".

Damn, my next roster is going to have to be name, roster, bio, chastity.

I thought it was becoming "The bow down to the Elves Cup".

Go jump into a lake with 50 lbs of sodium tied to your neck. LOL

BTW ESF/Valanora: BEST TEAM ever? (Reached Semis in what 6 cups in a row now?)

Go jump into a lake with 50 lbs of sodium tied to your neck. LOL

BTW ESF/Valanora: BEST TEAM ever? (Reached Semis in what 6 cups in a row now?)

Make that Potassium, it's more exciting when that reacts with water.

Congrats to Valanora on winning the 43rd World Cup! :D

Sarzonian uniforms: Now made with kevlar.

Armor piercing bullets used by my coach.

Make that Potassium, it's more exciting when that reacts with water.

True, but Sodium's cheaper. If we were really going for it, why not use Cesium, Francium or Ununennium? (the last one is Element 119, if no one can figure that out.)

World Cup XLIV Bid Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=574087)

Oh yes. We did that, right there.

Thank God for that.

I'll give people about 48 hours to mull it over before arranging the vote.

Congrats to Dancougar for winning the right to host the next BoF.


I won't bother congratulating ESF for one of the more inevitable (but by no means undeserved) WC victories of recent tournaments since others have beaten me to it, and will hope he forgives me for hoping someone else wins WC44.