The World Cup Discussion Thread II [Archive] - Page 22

Starblaydia

14-07-2008, 07:08

With news that the Baptism of Fire is due to start soon, manager Andrew Wood will have to decide who to keep in his Oxen Cup squad, and who to send to the Baptism of Fire tournament, that is assuming, Land de Wood, don't get knocked out in the first round of the Oxen Cup, which might allow the same squad of players to play in both tournaments.

Having said that different squads in different tournaments will allow fringe players to gain some international experience in the Baptism of Fire competition.

And what with our youngsters due to take some part in the U-21 World Cup when it is arranged, a good number of our footballers will have plenty of opportunity to show of any talent they may have.

Time. more specifically fluid time, is a wonderful thing - though the three events may be happening at the same time, they can happen at different times in NS.

For instance, the latest AOCAF Final (Regional tournament) was scored, in real time, 24 hours before the World Cup Final. It took place in NS time, however, about a year before the 41st World Cup even began. Which made things difficult to RP, but still meant players could be at both tournaments. Complicated, but workable.

Must be World Cup 28 replayed again! WTG Star!

I think this is more like WC25 than WC28: 25 was a fairly unexpected victory after all those years of trying, while WC28 came as Starblaydia were on their way to the peak of their ranking.

Besides... I didn't beat Bedi, just the people who now own his territory :D

Qazox

14-07-2008, 07:54

Land de Wood

14-07-2008, 09:18

This paper would like to thank the organisers for the clarification given about tournament schedules.

Starblaydia

14-07-2008, 09:22

Land de Wood, as I stated once before a long time ago (about 1200 posts ago):

See here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13701298#post13701298

Let me amend it a bit: (for those who use a 4-year span between World Cups)

Year 1 April-June: Di Brandini Cup
Year 1 September- Year 2 May: Baptism of Fire
Year 2 September- Year 3 November: World Cup Qualifiers
Year 3 June/July: AOCAF Championship
Year 4 (Feb/Mar): Cup of Harmony
Year 4 (June/July): WORLD CUP
Year 4 (Oct/Nov): Oxen Cup and Oriental Cup

(if we still had the late Women's World Cup active, it would take place in Year 2- July/August)

But of course you can Rp them in any order you want, but offically, the BoF is always before the World Cup.

So if you use my timeline, your OXEN Cup team and the Di Brandini Cup team can be the same team.

Now see I pitch the Di Bradini (Jesus H Christ there's only one n in it!) Cup as a Pre-World Cup tournament, not a post-Cup one, . The AOCAF and World Cup used to be at the same time (hence why I sent two different teams to them) but now has shifted sightly, it was only the most recent one that was specifically a year earlier than the World Cup.

As for everything else, particularly the non-BoF, WC and CoH tournaments, you can play them pretty much whenever you want in your timeline. After all, you're the only person that has to make sense of the ages of people on your team.

This paper would like to thank the organisers for the clarification given about tournament schedules.

Oh, and this Discussion Thread is pretty much 100% out of character, so you don't need to have official newspaper statements and such :)

Newmanistan

14-07-2008, 10:14

This paper would like to thank the organisers for the clarification given about tournament schedules.

Last Cup go around, the Di Bradini Cup final and the Oxen Cup final were on consecutive days. Newmanistan made both finals, but lost both, setting off a streak that has now evolved into two other sports.

Good luck though in following the Newmanistan model (unless of course, we meet) of doing a Di Bradini Cup before your Baptism of Fire. Perhaps you can pull of the double we pulled off with Di Bradini 4 and Baptism of Fire 27.

Candelaria And Marquez

14-07-2008, 11:58

On the subject of the Di Bradini Cup, can I just take this opportunity to politely and friendlyly ask Jeru to CHECK YOUR BLOODY TELEGRAMS!

That is all.

Ooh, and muchos... um... congratulationos to Star, obviously. :)

The Archregimancy

14-07-2008, 17:01

Ironic, though, isn't it? Loads of teams get nowhere after lots of WCs, Star returns and voom goes straight back to the top.

If I were a lesser and petty man, consumed with jealousy at the success of others, I think I'd use 'sickening' rather than 'ironic'.

Fortunately, I'm neither. ;)

Starblaydia

14-07-2008, 17:06

If I were a lesser and petty man, consumed with jealousy at the success of others, I think I'd use 'sickening' rather than 'ironic'.

Fortunately, I'm neither. ;)

Ironic as a parrot?

I don't think so ;)

Daehanjeiguk

14-07-2008, 18:40

As promised, an invitation to all mutually interested ethnic Han (or otherwise considered friends of the Oriental community) to participate in OFC6.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=560624

My last post about OFC6 in this thread - expect it to start the week after the CoH has ended (according to the hosts, that would be after July 19).

Wentland

14-07-2008, 22:47

If I were a lesser and petty man, consumed with jealousy at the success of others, I think I'd use 'sickening' rather than 'ironic'.

Fortunately, I'm neither. ;)
It's useful, it gives me some RP ideas, much more so than another Elvish victory (soz Veph). Some random successes make it more interesting.

Land de Wood

14-07-2008, 23:17

Thanks, Starblaydia, for the clarifiication on posting out of character. I am still getting used to nationstates and roleplaying again after a break of a few years, actually it may be more than a few years as I can't remember there being a football tournament back then so either I didn't look hard or it really was that long ago [may have been during my uni days nearly a decade ago). Not entirely sure what caused the break or the event that led to my return.
As I use the paper on all the other threads I will probably end up using a mixture on here, depending on when my brain is awake!
Here's a question, are all our nations on the same planet??? If not then years on other planets may be longer or shorter than the host planet's which could in turn affect how long people live for (as can a host of other environmental factors) ... hold on I think I am thinking too much!!!

Newmanistan, thanks and likewise good luck until we meet, when you are still wished good luck, just not as good luck as we get! We are going for a sensational and highly improbable but not quite impossible treble with the Oxen Cup and the DiBradini Cup and the Baptism of Fire! Then we shall simply qualify and win our first world cup and thereby be crowned champions of champions (or more likely go out in the group stage of every competition finishing last in them all and have plenty of wooden spoons! )

Quakmybush

15-07-2008, 00:10

hey guys.... I plan to begin actually rping in the next world cup is there signups anywhere?

Jey

15-07-2008, 03:10

hey guys.... I plan to begin actually rping in the next world cup is there signups anywhere?

World Cup 42 Signups (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=559344)

Also, Congrats to Star!

Qazox

15-07-2008, 04:21

hey guys.... I plan to begin actually rping in the next world cup is there signups anywhere?

You can't signup until you finish the 3rd Winter Olympics. ;)

Qazox

15-07-2008, 05:37

For those that are involved:

OXEN Cup VII MD1 scores are up: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13837156&postcount=62

Now back to the regularly scheduled :soap:

Starblaydia

15-07-2008, 06:49

Also, Congrats to Star!

Why, thanks!

For those that are involved:

OXEN Cup VII MD1 scores are up: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13837156&postcount=62

Now back to the regularly scheduled :soap:

Blimey that was quick!

Starblaydia

15-07-2008, 12:52

Thanks, Starblaydia, for the clarifiication on posting out of character. I am still getting used to nationstates and roleplaying again after a break of a few years, actually it may be more than a few years as I can't remember there being a football tournament back then so either I didn't look hard or it really was that long ago [may have been during my uni days nearly a decade ago). Not entirely sure what caused the break or the event that led to my return.
As I use the paper on all the other threads I will probably end up using a mixture on here, depending on when my brain is awake!

No problem. The World Cup has been around for... a long time on NS. Perhaps the Archreg or someone similar could give us a rough year's estimate, hehe. All I know is in mid 2004 there had already been 15 of em, so it's probably back to somewhere in the mists of a young NS.

Here's a question, are all our nations on the same planet??? If not then years on other planets may be longer or shorter than the host planet's which could in turn affect how long people live for (as can a host of other environmental factors) ... hold on I think I am thinking too much!!!

Time and distance are, thankfully, completely fluid in regard to the World Cup. Time-wise, some people have that it's only a year between Cups, others use two, most use Four and some people just do a direct correlation to the current day's date.

I would say that most nations are on one enormous uber-earth-planet, while some FT or PMT nations may claim to be from, or hold territory, elsewhere. This doesn't really matter, though.

And, yes, you're thinking way, way too much!

Land de Wood

15-07-2008, 13:16

Will have to remember not to think too much. Oh ad my plans for world domination haven't got of to the best start, lost 4-0 to the reigning Oxen Cup champions but its early days, Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.
Well if there's been 26 since mid-2004, then that's about what 6 a year, so 15 /6 is about 2 1/2 which would make the start of 2002 a rather rough estimate, although it probably hasn't run at regular intervals.
I think 4 years between cups makes it more realistic, but may link it to how many seasons I get through on the domestic league front where my players come from. Though with only a 12 team league playing each other twice, they may well play 2 seasons a year, so I'll work something out as and when I need to.

Starblaydia

15-07-2008, 13:33

Though with only a 12 team league playing each other twice, they may well play 2 seasons a year, so I'll work something out as and when I need to.

With only 12 clubs, perhaps try the way the Scottish Premier League is set up. Would be difficult to do with one of the regular scorinators, though.

Since then [2001], the [12 club] SPL has operated a "split league format" to prevent the need for a 44-game schedule, which was once used in the Scottish Premier Division, but is now considered to be too high a number of games in a league season. Under this system, after 33 games (i.e., when every club has played every other club three times, either twice away and once at home, or vice-versa), the division is split into two halves, and clubs play a further five matches, against the teams in their half of the division, taking their total to 38 games.

Land de Wood

15-07-2008, 13:42

I'm planning to expand the league over time, just for a new nation I felt just 12 teams would be a good starting point. I never liked the Scottish system personally, as a team can easily slip into the wrong place 5 games from the end of the season..

I'm currently working with my own scorinator, it is very basic at the moment but as it is only for my own league is I can work on it over time and build on it. At the moment I'm scoring each game individually which worked out fine for my cup but I will be looking at something more complicated for the league. From what I can tell the regular scorinators don't give too much room to assigning skil levells to teams/players. Although there could be a scorinator out there I haven't seen as I've only looked at a few and there doesn't seem to be a list of them anywhere, maybe have to do a more thorough search of the forums and see what I can find.

Though I guess if I did what to use a regular scorinator, I could run through the first 22 games using a normal home and away system. Then play the next 11 games in a second run through with just 1 match against each. Then run the 2 sections through 2 separate run-throughs. So with a little bit of work I could if I wanted to use the Scotland system I could use a regular scorinator just have to do 4 run throughs.

Alasdair I Frosticus

15-07-2008, 20:59

No problem. The World Cup has been around for... a long time on NS. Perhaps the Archreg or someone similar could give us a rough year's estimate, hehe. All I know is in mid 2004 there had already been 15 of em, so it's probably back to somewhere in the mists of a young NS.

Answering that with my WC2 host hat on....

The first four World Cups would have taken place in the first half of 2003, with WC 7 (my last participation my first time around) somewhere around August 2003.

The early WC cycle tended to run much faster in 2003 as we had no BoF or CoH, and indeed no qualifiers in the very, very early tournaments.

NS itself only went online in late 2002. Errinundera is the oldest nation (in ooc terms) to participate reasonably regularly in the WC (though not in the most recent tournaments), having been founded in December 2002.

The oldest telegram in my telegram box is from the long since defunct nation of Delashaw, and is 1863 days old. That telegram would, however, be younger than the first 2-3 World Cups.

Alasdair I Frosticus

15-07-2008, 21:03

Here's a question, are all our nations on the same planet??? If not then years on other planets may be longer or shorter than the host planet's which could in turn affect how long people live for (as can a host of other environmental factors) ... hold on I think I am thinking too much!!!

In the case of my two nations (the Archregimancy and AIF), they're quite patently not even in the same reality, never mind the same planet, and as far as time passing differently, AIF's star player from WC's 1-4 is still the team coach in WC 41.

I think you can safely assume that you can find an RP reason around most restrictions of time and space.

Vephrall

15-07-2008, 23:49

OFFICIAL PRESIDENTIAL ANNOUNCEMENTS

Baptism of Fire host voting results:

Yafalonia and Bazor 2 - 3
Cafundéu and Estresse Intenso - 2
Krytenia - 1
SLANI, Jaseuyeon, and Universitus Univ. - 1

Congrats, FAIL!

* * *

And with one vote over, another begins.

The candidates to host World Cup 42 are:

Cafundéu and Septentrionia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=560108)
Capitalizt SLANI, Jaseuyeon, and Universitus University (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=559872)

Voting begins now and will conclude Tuesday 22 July, 2300 UTC.

Who can vote?

This is a full World Cup Committee vote. That means all former hosts, in addition to anyone who has posted a roster in both of the last two Cups. The list of the latter is as follows:

Acapais
Ad'ihan
Bazalonia
Bettia
Bostopia
C&M
Cafundéu
Capitalizt SLANI
Daehanjeiguk
Dancougar
Green wombat
Jeruselem
Kelssek
Kereca
Kose and the Turkomans
Krytenia
Milchama
Newmanistan
Prux
Qazox
Rejistania
Rennidan
Sel Appa
Septentrionia
Sorthern Northland
Starblaydia
Taeshan
The Archregimancy
Tynelia
Valanora
Vephrall
Yafor 2
Zwangzug

Exceptions: As always, anyone who is a candidate in the election may not vote.

How to vote? It is strongly suggested that you e-mail your vote to nswc.president@gmail.com. Alternatively, you may telegram your vote to Vephrall; be forewarned that overflow of the inbox is possible using this method and can potentially result in lost votes. Absolutely no votes via IRC will be accepted.

Daehanjeiguk

16-07-2008, 01:16

*** random blurb from IFA ***

The IFA of Daehanjeiguk is more than elated to see how official Han transliteration of Han script has come into official use at the WCC, with the present spelling of Jaseuyeon, which we also note uses no special punctuation marks of the old SLANI style transliteration. The Academy (of Foreign Affairs) is further pleased that more and more, people are starting to view the Han as the primary homeland for their ethnic Han minorities (although when it comes to the Mujeongbu, we'd rather they be burned at the stake, tar and feathered, salted thoroughly, and heads stuck in a pickle jar).

*** end random blurb from IFA ***

Daehanjeiguk

16-07-2008, 01:19

a less official note...

does someone have some sort of WCC/NSWC codex that has all of the rules involved in the WCC/NSWC? I was doing the WCC wiki article (at WikiStates - no you don't have to join it either, it's temporary until Gobbergunch finds a good host) and it was startling to me at how we have so little space devoted to existing rules. It would be a good thing to know what's in the fine print at time.

Daehanjeiguk

16-07-2008, 01:20

For those that are involved:

OXEN Cup VII MD1 scores are up: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13837156&postcount=62

Now back to the regularly scheduled :soap:

:hail::salute: :p :salute::hail:

Land de Wood

16-07-2008, 01:36

We have just received news that Yafalonia and Bazor 2 have won the right to host the Baptism of Fire competition.
Our national side manager and prime minister, Andrew Wood, took time out of preparing for the next Oxen Cup match (where arguably the national team are experiencing their own baptism of fire) to say this:
"I would like to personally congratulate the great sporting nations that are Yafalonia and Bazor 2, and I very much look forward to traveling to them for this competition."

Jeruselem

16-07-2008, 02:07

These new smilies are ... I like them! Some are perfect for my Jeru FC

:mp:

Yafalonia and Bazor 2

16-07-2008, 02:50

Newmanistan

16-07-2008, 03:45

These new smilies are ... I like them! Some are perfect for my Jeru FC

:mp:

Give your military team a quick log in and out. It's getting very close to the limit.
Wouldn't want to have to issue any CoH penalities. ;)

Jeruselem

16-07-2008, 04:06

Give your military team a quick log in and out. It's getting very close to the limit.
Wouldn't want to have to issue any CoH penalities. ;)

Fixed! Sadie and co should alive for another month.

Daehanjeiguk

16-07-2008, 06:56

Thank you, we hope not to confuse you too much!

you FAILed to do that!

(i.e. let the puns begin! - oh wait, they've already begun... nvm...)

Jeruselem

16-07-2008, 08:20

you FAILed to do that!

(i.e. let the puns begin! - oh wait, they've already begun... nvm...)

http://jessenoller.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/vader-fail.jpg

:salute:

Sorthern Northland

16-07-2008, 08:54

http://jessenoller.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/vader-fail.jpg

:salute:
Hmm so Major General Dave Vay-d’Or of the Sorthern army during the Sorthern/Bostopian/Kosenic random war of randomly moving armies into SN univited is back? :mp:

Bazalonia

16-07-2008, 14:26

Who said Y&B2 don't have WIN(Acronym to be revealed later)?

Blouman Empire

17-07-2008, 09:22

(if we still had the late Women's World Cup active, it would take place in Year 2- July/August)

What happened to this? I wasn't aware of there being one before and if I got some experience on hosting I was going to see about starting one up. Did interest drop or did they just decide to get rid of it as I have seen some teams do have women in their team.

Starblaydia

17-07-2008, 10:27

What happened to this? I wasn't aware of there being one before and if I got some experience on hosting I was going to see about starting one up. Did interest drop or did they just decide to get rid of it as I have seen some teams do have women in their team.

People who had women in their 'main' national team didn't need it, and people who didn't RP women footballers at all didn't bother.

Then, for nations like me, the WCC kicked off women's football in the nation properly and then women were allowed onto the 'main' national football team and it's been co-ed, equal opportunity ever since.

So, overall, it's a fairly patronising and sexist thing to do, lol, when it's equal opportunities in the WC for men, women, dwarves, elves, blancmanges, evisceramatoes, zombies, ducks, robotic ducks, ninjas, drunks and even footballers.

Glaycia

17-07-2008, 18:56

oh yeah right Star like someone's going to use "footballers" in the WC.

:rolleyes:

hmm i see i'm on the puppet again. oh well.

The Archregimancy

17-07-2008, 20:47

So, overall, it's a fairly patronising and sexist thing to do, lol, when it's equal opportunities in the WC for men, women, dwarves, elves, blancmanges, evisceramatoes, zombies, ducks, robotic ducks, ninjas, drunks and even footballers.

Not just any ninjas, but Welsh ninjas who sing 'Hen Wlad fy Ninjau'

You also forget an egg, bipedal apes, and French existentialist/nihilist philosophers, among others.

Qazox

18-07-2008, 00:21

Not just any ninjas, but Welsh ninjas who sing 'Hen Wlad fy Ninjau'

You also forget an egg, bipedal apes, and French existentialist/nihilist philosophers, among others.

Don't forget Prux' use of Cheese and Historical figures in the CoH, and Sandwiches. Hmmmmm.. Sandwiches.

Daehanjeiguk

18-07-2008, 05:13

Football
Association of the
International
League

Wants
Invested
Numbers
Singing

Voi, che sapete
Often
Tickling
Eggplants
.

Blouman Empire

18-07-2008, 09:20

Thanks for the heads up Star

Due to the fact that I have participated in a few WC, CoH and a BoF, I feel it is time for me to immerse myself further in to the entire WC community. Thus with no further ado I am seeking an experienced host to take me under their wing and help me co-host the next Cup of Harmony, if anyone has any interest please send me a TG and we can take it from there.

Thank you.

Starblaydia

18-07-2008, 09:42

Thanks for the heads up Star

Due to the fact that I have participated in a few WC, CoH and a BoF, I feel it is time for me to immerse myself further in to the entire WC community.

No probs.

Your other option is to try a one-off invitational or sign-up tournament (along the same lines as Qazox's OXEN Cup or Han's Oriental Football Cup) to see how things go.

Greal

18-07-2008, 11:06

I would like to join the next World Cup.

My congrats to whoever won the World Cup 41.

Starblaydia

18-07-2008, 11:09

I would like to join the next World Cup.

My congrats to whoever won the World Cup 41.

You can find World Cup 42's sign-up thread here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=559344).

Oh, and thanks! :)

Errinundera

18-07-2008, 13:51

People who had women in their 'main' national team didn't need it, and people who didn't RP women footballers at all didn't bother.

Then, for nations like me, the WCC kicked off women's football in the nation properly and then women were allowed onto the 'main' national football team and it's been co-ed, equal opportunity ever since.

So, overall, it's a fairly patronising and sexist thing to do, lol, when it's equal opportunities in the WC for men, women, dwarves, elves, blancmanges, evisceramatoes, zombies, ducks, robotic ducks, ninjas, drunks and even footballers.

When I hosted the BoF one of the teams had a tree as its goalie. I think it was the people's choice as player of the series. But then, Errinundrians do have a thing about trees.

Sel Appa

18-07-2008, 21:25

When I hosted the BoF one of the teams had a tree as its goalie. I think it was the people's choice as player of the series. But then, Errinundrians do have a thing about trees.
Musings from a Tree
I am a tree,
But also a goalie.
My name is Kau,
I never say ow.

The ball
Curves in
And hits
My bark
Then boun-
-Ces off
Away
Again.

Being a tree isn't really that bad. You get to make your own food just by breathing, drinking, and sunning. You are climbed and appreciated. Being a goalkeeper isn't that bad either. I just stand there and deflect almost every shot...with my trunk, branches, or leaves. Sometimes a ball gets through, but that is only because I can't move. If I could move, I'd stop every ball.

I write random poems, therefore I am. Can a tree really write poetry? Maybe you're just imagining this and are high on some hallucinogen? How do I know what a hallucinogen is? Aren't drugs nonexistant in Veitau? Maybe I'm not really a tree, but a pandimensional being. This is what happens when you're a tree: you write random poetry and musings. But trees can't write, so how do I do it?

Kau is seriously the best goalie of all time. Hands down.

Looking back, I had some damn good Veitau RPs. I should bring it back...

By the way, is it just me or do I smell some Cabbage (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/juvanya/thecabbage.png)...

Sel Appa

18-07-2008, 21:44

The candidates to host World Cup 42 are:

Cafundéu and Septentrionia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=560108)
Capitalizt SLANI, Jaseuyeon, and Universitus University (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=559872)

Voting begins now and will conclude Tuesday 22 July, 2300 UTC.
Oli or Jey? What kind of choice is that?!? :eek:

Jey

18-07-2008, 23:29

Shut up, Sel.

Qazox

19-07-2008, 05:59

Oli or Jey? What kind of choice is that?!? :eek:

Shut up, Sel.

Yes... It has been very nice over the last couple of weeks. Let's keep it that way or else: :gas:

Starblaydia

19-07-2008, 17:35

Oli or Jey? What kind of choice is that?!? :eek:

Shut up, Sel.

Yes... It has been very nice over the last couple of weeks. Let's keep it that way or else: :gas:

OK, all of you, quit it.

*knocks heads together*

Sel, we know you can voice your opinions better and in a more mature than that, please try to do so next time. Jey, you also have zero rights to tell anyone to shut up in this thread, what with your thirteen posts to your name in here, never mind your relative newness to the WC. A bit more decorum is needed all round, I think, especially from potential co-hosts.

What I will say, though, is Sel has some justification for his very badly-phrased comment. We have the choice between one co-host who has never hosted a single World Cup or related tournament before, and has only taken part in one qualifying campaign, in a cup after they ICly aborted a BoF because they lost a frigging match. That's no basis for confidence in my book, no matter how experienced the other co-host is. Otherwise we get to choose a bid with Oli in it - CHO:P for WC26 was widely regarded as perhaps the worst hosting ever - jokingly or otherwise - and I'm still sure Oli fixed the 9th Cherry Cup in his favour.

I don't mind saying that I must have been the single voter for UCS/Jey for the BoF. What I'm not going to do is hand Jey the responsiblity, prestige and future decision-making abilities that comes with WC hosting based on his current participation level. On the other hand I'm damned if I'm going to vote for a WC hosting bid with Oli in it; twice bitten, forever shy. There is no lesser of these two evils, so I'm not going to vote at all. You guys can pick, as I wash my hands of it.

Daehanjeiguk

19-07-2008, 17:45

@ Star:

As has been the tradition, there is always the option to "reopen the bids for more bids to appear" rather than let pass a bid (or bids) that you feel is incompetent; democracy has its no-confidence votes too... otherwise, you can only blame yourself for letting any evil to happen.

That said, having not survived Oli's hosting and not caring too much over the IC decisions of a foreign FA, I don't have qualms with either host oocly. And atm, I'm not persuaded that either Jey or Oli are particularly bad (although match fixing would be a bad problem...).

Starblaydia

19-07-2008, 17:53

As has been the tradition, there is always the option to "reopen the bids for more bids to appear" rather than let pass a bid (or bids) that you feel is incompetent; democracy has its no-confidence votes too... otherwise, you can only blame yourself for letting any evil to happen.

I've never really liked that option - it takes far too much time with a delay and the only thing that can come from it is a hastily cobbled-together bid from either a couple of veterans who have some time on their hands or a bid that comes one cup too early for relative newcomers to the hosting front.

CH, I know, will host a Cup perfectly well, as will Caf. Oli certainly has it within him and Jey is a complete unknown. I just don't want to vote for either bid, particularly because of the UCS/Jey extra time option of changing the game of football itself by taking two players off per session to make a goal 'more likely'.

Jey

20-07-2008, 03:53

Jey, you also have zero rights to tell anyone to shut up in this thread, what with your thirteen posts to your name in here, never mind your relative newness to the WC.

Sorry, but frankly, I do believe I have the right to tell anyone who constantly attacks any moves I make in the WC with baseless assumptions and poor interpretations to "shut up." That includes no one in the WC except Sel.

Had Sel made some sort of substantive claim against my abilities to co-host, perhaps my inexperience, okay. But Sel just lumped me into a category with another nation that allegedly fixed matches on what grounds? Because I withdrew my own nation from a match with an In-Character justification? Several seasons ago? Why do I make that assumption of Sel's motivations? Because of Sel's consistent (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13601902&postcount=3936) history (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13498717&postcount=3228) of (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13501753&postcount=3240) doubting (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13477346&postcount=2993) my capabilities for that "reason."

I don't understand why this withdraw is constantly being brought up by Sel, and now you too Star. So, Universitus is arrogant. So, they're prestige-lovers. How is that any more detestable than some of the other crazy RP-ed nations in the World Cup? What of SLANI, the morally ambiguous capitalist corporation? Is Universitus really that awful? I can't understand the consistent opposition on the withdraw grounds and no one has been able to explain it yet. In what way does Universitus' withdraw from a World Cup -- which, was absolutely within their rights to do -- justify marking them as equally "evil" to a nation that by your interpretation had the worst hosting job ever, and fixed the championship? Please, explain.

All I did was try to get Sel to stop with this baseless rudeness to my moves in the WC, much like LE tried to do (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13602056&postcount=3938) when this business was at its peak, but instead I'm told my newness puts me at fault.

Liventia

20-07-2008, 04:04

Not going to get involved in this one, but I have to say... Jey, I don't think you're doing yourself any favours, mate.

The Gupta Dynasty

20-07-2008, 05:33

Jey, you also have zero rights to tell anyone to shut up in this thread, what with your thirteen posts to your name in here, never mind your relative newness to the WC.

Look, if experience is a problem here, may I oblige? Here: Shut up, Sel'. I've been around for over twenty cups (I think). I have forty-five posts in this thread (not that that should be a deciding factor to anything). I've consistently voiced my opinion regarding things. And I happen to agree with Jey in this regard (as I've consistently agreed with him regarding Sel Appa). So, does that happen to fit your definition? (and, yes, I might come off as a little abrasive. Apologies, Star.)

We have the choice between one co-host who has never hosted a single World Cup or related tournament before,

Even though he consistently has tried and the voters (along with a lot of "not you again" from Sel that Jey linked to in his post) have shut him down. I'm not surprised he went with a more experienced host for another shot at this.

and has only taken part in one qualifying campaign, in a cup after they ICly aborted a BoF because they lost a frigging match. That's no basis for confidence in my book, no matter how experienced the other co-host is.

If anything, that's a huge plus in my opinion. No, wait, hear me out. Jey has consistently demonstrated that he's interested in being an active member of the NSWC community (with all of his bids for the BoF and such). Moreover, the action that you cited shows that Jey, far more than Sel, not only understands the difference between IC and OOC, but also utilizes it. That's a major plus, in my book. Sel, who has consistently opposed Jey's bids on OOC grounds because of that IC action, grasps that fine line far less than Jey. As such, I'd be more supportive of Jey than Sel in hosting something, as he clearly has dedication and he clearly understands RP extensively. And, guess what? Sel's hosted a BoF before.

Otherwise we get to choose a bid with Oli in it - CHO:P for WC26 was widely regarded as perhaps the worst hosting ever - jokingly or otherwise - and I'm still sure Oli fixed the 9th Cherry Cup in his favour.

You do know that CHO:P had, you know, two hosts in it? Going by that logic, CH is just as bad. After all, Paci had a theory that he rigged the Olympics (which has just as much basis as your theory).

I'm voting for Caf/Oli, by the way. Mostly because I voted for them last time and their bid didn't succeed.

Not going to get involved in this one, but I have to say... Jey, I don't think you're doing yourself any favours, mate.

I can't see what he's doing wrong, tbh. He wasn't particularly rude and I happen to agree with pretty much everything that he stated.

Apologies for my tone, btw.

Sel Appa

20-07-2008, 05:37

*sigh* All this over a simple jest...

The Archregimancy

20-07-2008, 10:38

My preference is for a CH - Caf co-hosted tournament using the CH / Jey bid's scorinator, and the Sep / Caf bid's means of deciding tied matches.

Don't suppose there's any chance....?

On other items... I happen to agree that Sel was an arse, that Jey and Star both overreacted to Sel and Jey in turn, that both bids have deep flaws, that an IC withdrawal from a tournament is no guide to whether a nation can organise a tournament, and that most of you seem to be feeling unusually grumpy today.

Now let's all kiss and make up :fluffle:

The Archregimancy

20-07-2008, 14:24

Following up from my previous post, here's my grand strategy to enable peace to break out and make as many people as possible happy. It's far too sensible, so therefore stands little chance of succeeding, but for what it's worth:

1) Either all current bids are withdrawn, or WCC members vote for the voting process to be re-opened (changing their vote if necessary).

2) CH and Cafundeu immediately launch a new bid along the lines outlined in my previous post (CH-Jey scorinator, but Sep-Caf method of ending ties). It is the only bid. Our esteemed president organises a very rapid voting process to confirm it.

3) Jey and Sep/Oli are given the opportunity to prove themselves to the doubters by immediately launching a new bid to host the Cup of Harmony, using whatever scorinator and tie-breaking system they want to. Those supporting this plan commit themselves to supporting their bid. The competing CH/Jey CoH hosting bid is, naturally, withdrawn.

Peace breaks out. We get a solid WC co-hosting bid. Those points that most people object to in the existing bids are eliminated. Jey and Sep/Oli are given the opportunity to prove themselves, and therefore increase their chances of co-hosting the main event in the future. Everyone converts to the Orthodo.... whoops; must keep my hidden agenda secret.

It's unlikely to happen, of course, not least because I suspect that there's enough bruised pride floating around our current co-host bids that the parties concerned are likely to reject the above out of hand rather than compromise, but it's certainly a seductive solution.

Sel Appa

20-07-2008, 20:15

an IC withdrawal from a tournament is no guide to whether a nation can organise a tournament
I think it's just as valid as using nationstates.net programming aspects as a basis for whether a nation may continue to participate in the World Cup. :)

And a CH-Caf bid is fine, but it's like the Democrats nominating Al Gore to run to stop all the Obama/Hillary nonsense. It just doesn't work despite being practical.

The Archregimancy

20-07-2008, 21:29

I think it's just as valid as using nationstates.net programming aspects as a basis for whether a nation may continue to participate in the World Cup. :)

Oh Sel, I've supported your past bids in hosting tournaments, arguing that you deserved a chance, and I've given you credit for maturing, but with all the will in the world, there are times when really, really don't get it.

Please try and do both ourselves and yourself a favour, and let both your obsessive criticism of Jey and your sulk over your WC41 CtE drop, otherwise you'll be opening yourself up to a stream of agressive and counterproductive posts from other nations lecturing you over why the two are in no way comparable.

Remembering when I was helping you with your first Turtle Cup? This might be another one of those times when discretion - in the form of a restrained silence - is probably the better part of valour.

Jey

21-07-2008, 02:17

For the sake of keeping the WCC informed about the WC bid statuses: the parties in The Archregimancy's proposed compromise have discussed the possibility, but the current bids will remain as they are.

The Gupta Dynasty

21-07-2008, 04:02

Daehanjeiguk

21-07-2008, 04:56

We really should be focusing our arguing power on the best vote option, not the OOC competence of some of our folk. I'm pretty sure that there were some people who felt/still feel that I was too immature to host a WC; so we shouldn't be judging primarily upon the vices of the host options, but what makes the bids distinctive from the other. If neither bid is attractive, then perhaps another open period for more options should be employed? After all, unlike the US Presidential Elections, we do have that option for the WC42 hosts.

I would say more, but as I've already voted, there is no need for me to try pushing this debate to a more constructive arena.

Qazox

21-07-2008, 05:15

UGH.

If you don't like both the hosts, then host 'em your self or abstain your vote.

If you do like the hosts, then vote for them.

This isn't rocket surgery or brain science, people.

The Gupta Dynasty

21-07-2008, 05:44

And Qazox pretty much states what I've been struggling to say. You win. ;)

Qazox

21-07-2008, 06:16

And Qazox pretty much states what I've been struggling to say. You win. ;)

WAIT A MINUTE HERE.....

Someone claims that I made sense? :eek: :eek: What's this world coming to?

Starblaydia

21-07-2008, 06:29

I don't really see the need for all of that, Arch'. As far as I can see, it's totally unnecessary. After all, beyond what Star' "is sure of", there's no evidence that Oli' can't host an event and we've never asked someone who has never hosted anything before to "prove themselves". Usually we, you know, had them host with someone more experienced. Which is what is happening.

I'm more upset regarding the fact that because Star' "is sure of" something, we are going to make Oli' "prove" himself "to his doubters". I'm going to ask for some solid evidence here, or else I'm going to ask that all the bidders for the World Cup have to "prove themselves".

I'm totally serious here. This is woefully unnecessary and, dare I say it, dangerous.

I'm sure that when I put a bid up for WC40 there were some who thought "oh, god, not a Starblaydia bid, I don't think it'd be good at all it if that <insert cultural expression> hosted" - or something along those lines - they just didn't say so. This is my personal version of that which I happen to be saying. Though I note amidst all this discussion, it's only really myself and Sel who have made any complaints/voiced any negative opinions about any of the hosts (Oh shit, now I know I'm in the wrong).

They're my guns, and I'm sticking to 'em.

We really should be focusing our arguing power on the best vote option, not the OOC competence of some of our folk.

As much as I'd like to separate them, they go hand in hand.

UGH.

If you don't like both the hosts, then host 'em your self or abstain your vote.

If you do like the hosts, then vote for them.

This isn't rocket surgery or brain science, people.

Done it and done it. Just voicing my opinion while doing it.

Qazox

21-07-2008, 06:45

Done it and done it. Just voicing my opinion while doing it.

Which is the point of this thread, is it not? :mad:

Greal

21-07-2008, 11:44

You can find World Cup 42's sign-up thread here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=559344).

Oh, and thanks! :)

Thanks for the link.

Jeruselem

21-07-2008, 14:13

Man, SN is following me around ... World Cup 41, CoH 33 and now the Starblaydia U21 cup 6. I managed to avoid SN in the Oxen Cup 7.

Liventia

21-07-2008, 14:15

This is slightly (okay, very) off-topic, but... Quick reply FTW.

Sorthern Northland

21-07-2008, 14:23

Man, SN is following me around ... World Cup 41, CoH 33 and now the Starblaydia U21 cup 6. I managed to avoid SN in the Oxen Cup 7.

Ah but is it me or you doing or following? Or the power of the Latin speaking pistachio nut!

Starblaydia

21-07-2008, 14:37

Indeed, it's actually rather a nice addition, pity you have to scroll down further from the last reply to get to the Forum Jump, though (which I use rather a lot).

Daehanjeiguk

22-07-2008, 03:40

WOOHOO! for quick reply.

Jeruselem

22-07-2008, 04:02

Ah but is it me or you doing or following? Or the power of the Latin speaking pistachio nut!

Pope Pistachius I? :)

Green wombat

22-07-2008, 04:12

Pope Pistachius I? :)

Didn't we already have one of those? or was that Pope Peanut I? :)

Elves Security Forces

22-07-2008, 04:14

I also am quite pleased with the quick reply feature, finishing off my wiki, getting a flag for Valanora, and for succesfully fortifying my position for the hurricane that is going to hit me in the next 36 hours.

Sel Appa

22-07-2008, 04:33

I am Pope Clayton as of 3 April 2005. There's a post on NSG somewhere declaring it...

Qazox

22-07-2008, 05:01

Pope Pistachius I? :)

Didn't we already have one of those? or was that Pope Peanut I? :)

BAH! Those two pikers don't compare to Pope Macadamia VI.

The Archregimancy

22-07-2008, 10:31

BAH! Those two pikers don't compare to Pope Macadamia VI.

Why do you heretics waste your time with western schismatics in league with freemasons?

Surely the wisdom of His All-Holiness The Ecumenical Patriarch Pistachius I is greater than any of these heretical nuts whose cause thou advancest.

Also try translating nut names into their Latin genus. This'll give you the Patriarchs Juglans, Aleurites, Arachis, and Anacardium.

Blouman Empire

22-07-2008, 13:42

Man, SN is following me around ... World Cup 41, CoH 33 and now the Starblaydia U21 cup 6. I managed to avoid SN in the Oxen Cup 7.

He is stalking you mate, better call the cops quick.

Elves Security Forces

22-07-2008, 17:00

C&M please check your TGs

Magna Sancta Sedes

22-07-2008, 18:40

Make way, ye meek and mighty for His Holiness,

The Supreme Pontiff SVPERCALIFRAGILISTIKEXPAELIDOCIVS.

Vephrall

22-07-2008, 22:21

Land de Wood

22-07-2008, 23:25

Land de Wood Sports football section

Prime Minister and National Football Team Manager, Andrew Wood, took time out to send his congratulations to Cafundéu and Septentrionia after their landside victory in the recent voting for the hosts of the next World Cup.

We have heard a lot of murmuring behind the scenes about the 2 bids but are glad to see that there is one bid that has captured so many votes and won a clear mandate to hold the next world cup.

We are delighted to see a fellow Corporate state win the right to host the world cup and look forward to not only entertaining the fans but also making some more money as well.

Qazox

23-07-2008, 04:20

Congrats to Caf and Oli, i mean Sept.
(ooc: :hail: My500th post on this thread! :hail:)

The Archregimancy

23-07-2008, 20:33

For the record, I was the lone vote to reopen nominations.

I thought both bids were organisationally strong and featured some excellent and interesting ideas. I also thought that both bids had one fatal flaw each.

I think World Cup 42 will be well-run, and I wish Caf and Oli/Sep all the best; I bear them no ill-will whatsoever.

But I also think that reverting to statistically-flawed style modifiers that unfairly benefit attacking high-ranked teams is a regressive step, and I hope that the next World Cup will find a way around this.

The scorinator CH was proposing this time around was promising; I would urge the UCS to consider a different means of ending tied matches (but not necessarily a different co-host) should they choose to bid for WC43.

Oh, and a big boo to advertising in the middle of the threads. I can safely assure you that I don't want to know where to find the new Miley Cyrus video.

Starblaydia

23-07-2008, 20:49

Oh, and a big boo to advertising in the middle of the threads. I can safely assure you that I don't want to know where to find the new Miley Cyrus video.

For the Firefox users among us: Adblock (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10). Gets rid of em all in no time.

Sorthern Northland

23-07-2008, 21:48

Oh, and a big boo to advertising in the middle of the threads. I can safely assure you that I don't want to know where to find the new Miley Cyrus video.

That's where the Adblock Plus add-on for firefox comes in handy. ;)

Edit: Didn't see Star's post. :D

Dancougar

23-07-2008, 22:35

Edit: Didn't see Star's post. :D

You sure the ad really didn't get in the way? ^_^

Vephrall

23-07-2008, 22:37

For the Firefox users among us: Adblock (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10). Gets rid of em all in no time.

You know, in my years of surfing the Web, I've never managed to be bothered enough by ads to actually do anything about it.

That just changed about two minutes ago.

Hello, Adblock, and f*** you very much, Jolt.

Septentrionia

23-07-2008, 22:46

One of them ads had a great impact on me: it reminded me to look at my e-mails today :p

But yeah, they are annoying, but they are necessary for capitalism...

kenavt

23-07-2008, 22:54

I must thank this Adblock discussion, it made me switch from my IE7 to my portable Firefox and download Adblock. Now, when I look up into the right corner of the screen, I see gray and a fuzzy feeling in my heart.

--Testimonial

Daehanjeiguk

23-07-2008, 23:19

And somehow this economy is falling apart, despite ever increasing numbers of advertisements being displayed all over the world?

Sorthern Northland

23-07-2008, 23:46

And somehow this economy is falling apart, despite ever increasing numbers of advertisements being displayed all over the world?

Hmm if only someone invented an Adblock application to use in everyday life! On the bus, the train, the motorway etc. Whoever makes it could be onto a fortune.

Daehanjeiguk

24-07-2008, 01:10

NEW ARTICLE BY THE ECONOMIST

--> 50% of the World's Economy is generated by the quest of people seeking to introduce advertisements into your home.
--> The other 50% comes from the quest of people seeking to remove these same advertisements from your home.
--> The remainder is what you see on Wall Street.

Newmanistan

24-07-2008, 01:31

I can deal with one stupid ad in the middle of the thread, but what concerns me is the precedent that might be starting with this. If jolt starts going with those time delay ads, you'll be seeing much less of me on these boards.

Internet advertising has always had the reverse effect on me too. If your ad annoyed me... I'll remember you, and purchase from your competitor. I'd like to know how many other people go with that philosophy.

I've heard about Firefox's adblock and have never been to bothered by ads until now.... I just really hate the way the internet is going with website ads, in general. Not just jolt.

Liventia

24-07-2008, 01:37

Don't blame Jolt itself. It's OMAC, who took Jolt over. We're being held hostage by OMAC because they're developing NS2 so see fit to shove obnoxious ads in our faces in the middle of threads.

Daehanjeiguk

24-07-2008, 01:39

Newmanistan

24-07-2008, 01:52

Don't blame Jolt itself. It's OMAC, who took Jolt over. We're being held hostage by OMAC because they're developing NS2 so see fit to shove obnoxious ads in our faces in the middle of threads.

You mean their developing the unofficial CyberNations 2 :)
Whoops I didn't mean to say that out loud! :eek:

Vephrall

24-07-2008, 02:13

I think World Cup 42 will be well-run, and I wish Caf and Oli/Sep all the best; I bear them no ill-will whatsoever.

But I also think that reverting to statistically-flawed style modifiers that unfairly benefit attacking high-ranked teams is a regressive step, and I hope that the next World Cup will find a way around this.

The scorinator CH was proposing this time around was promising; I would urge the UCS to consider a different means of ending tied matches (but not necessarily a different co-host) should they choose to bid for WC43.

I have to admit, I was rather intrigued by the ideas CH presented for his scorinator. Seeing how well it went over could've certainly given me some ideas for improvements to its competition in this vote.

On that topic, there has been virtually no development on NSFS3 this summer, primarily due to the fact that when I'm coding Java all day at work I generally don't want to come home and do the same. :p My classes this fall look to be a lighter-than-usual load, though, so I should be able to resume development in earnest by September. Right now I wouldn't expect a finished product until sometime in Q1 2009, though. Maybe early December if you're lucky.

Dancougar

24-07-2008, 02:18

Hmm if only someone invented an Adblock application to use in everyday life! On the bus, the train, the motorway etc. Whoever makes it could be onto a fortune.

Hmm, according to Minority Report, AdblockReal involves having your eyes removed...

Jeruselem

24-07-2008, 03:27

IE users can try out Admuncher to get rid of that stuff ... works with Opera too.
http://www.admuncher.com/download.shtml

(It's not free, works for 30 days)

Sorthern Northland

24-07-2008, 04:05

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Offer ends 31st August whatever year your nation is in. ¡Y el chikichiki se baila así!

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Qazox

24-07-2008, 04:12

Sorthern Northland

24-07-2008, 04:15

What if I keep shouting SORTHERN NORTHLAND AIRWAYS for the next five minutes?

Oh and whilst I have your achtung Qaz, any plans for a Tour de Qazox any time soon?

Qazox

24-07-2008, 04:34

What if I keep shouting SORTHERN NORTHLAND AIRWAYS for the next five minutes?

Oh and whilst I have your achtung Qaz, any plans for a Tour de Qazox any time soon?

Not at this time, maybe in September.

Jeruselem

24-07-2008, 05:22

You know.. that is actually less annoying than the in-thread ads.

Fake ad ... doesn't mention free Pistachio nuts to throw at young ladies with a surname starting with D :)

Sorthern Northland

24-07-2008, 05:33

Free pistachios?

Sorthern Northland Airways has unfortunately had to put hefty price tags on all pistachio nut products due to shortages of said items.

Plus they're thrown at young ladies with a surname beginning with S as well. :P

Greal

25-07-2008, 06:15

Do I have to write a list of my players?

Qazox

25-07-2008, 06:27

Do I have to write a list of my players?

Not until the Roster thread is created by the hosts.

You don't have to, but it in a courtesy to other players, so they don't have to say "Player X from Greal scored in the 34 minute, off a plass from Player G..etc."

a roster does usually count towards your RP bonus.

Greal

25-07-2008, 06:42

I'll probably add a roster.

Is there a list of nations who won the previous world cups?

Starblaydia

25-07-2008, 06:53

I'll probably add a roster.

Is there a list of nations who won the previous world cups?
Yes (http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/World_Cup#Summary_by_edition), there is.

Bazalonia

25-07-2008, 06:55

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/world_cup.html

Contains a list upto and including World Cup 37

38-41 are available with a bit of looking around.

Greal

25-07-2008, 07:00

When I look at that list. I'll probably next make it to the Semi-Finals.

Qazox

25-07-2008, 07:11

When I look at that list. I'll probably next make it to the Semi-Finals.

I seriously doubt it, but stranger things have happened.

For 'new' teams, finishing qualifying with a winning record the first time out is a great achevement. It really depends on how the hosts score your RP's, and the quality and quantity of your opponents Rp's as well. If you are fourtunate enough to be drawn into a group that has little to no RP'ers in it, besides your self, then maybe you could qualify for the World Cup, but 98% of the people in the World Cup RP well and have been for a long time. Not to mention since your KPB number is currently ZERO, you are at a disadvantage, unless you compete in the Baptism of Fire. It will get you off to a start.

Speaking of which... does anybody have the POST-WC 41/COH 28 KPB Ranks and if so, can you post them sometime soon? Thanks.

Starblaydia

25-07-2008, 07:28

38-41 are available with a bit of looking around.

Hehe you mean by looking up one post?

kenavt

25-07-2008, 17:34

We Hate Football. To prove our point, we would very much like to enter whatever competitions we can and spread the word.

I like this guy. Hopefully he will have a long and awesome NS football career.

Eh, put us down. I pledge to RP at least once. o_O

I thought Sel Appa quit! Oh noes! I'm not going to make it anywhere... :(:(:(:(

Dancougar

25-07-2008, 18:02

I thought Sel Appa quit! Oh noes! I'm not going to make it anywhere... :(:(:(:(

Sel is the Brett Favre of NSWC ^_^

kenavt

25-07-2008, 18:07

Sel is the Brett Favre of NSWC ^_^

Who's trading him?

Greal

25-07-2008, 22:25

where is the Baptism of Fire?

Sorthern Northland

25-07-2008, 23:21

Daehanjeiguk

26-07-2008, 04:05

The Baptism of Fire is to be hosted by Yafalonia and Bazor 2.

As of this posting, Greal is already slated for the BoF.

On that note, people ought to post "links (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=559344)"; it's just the "right" thing to "do".

Blouman Empire

26-07-2008, 05:12

Have I been banned from entering the next World Cup?

I have signalled my intention to compete in this cup http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13848666&postcount=84 and I see that people who have notifed you of wanting to compete after me has been added and I am yet to. Of course I understand that it may be an oversight and you may not have seen me, so I will say again I wish to compete in World Cup 42.

Qazox

26-07-2008, 06:00

Sel Appa

26-07-2008, 07:19

OFFICIAL PRESIDENTIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

I know, I'm running about an hour early here, but you're going to have to live with it, as I'm due at the theater soon for The Dark Knight. :p

The final results of voting for the hosts of World Cup 42:

Cafundéu and Septentrionia - 15
Capitalizt SLANI, Jaseuyeon, and Universitus University - 1
(1 vote to reopen nominations)
(1 abstention)

Congratulations to the winners!
Am I crazy or does this seem one of the highest voter turnouts in awhile?

Interesting what a controversial bid can do.

For the Firefox users among us: Adblock (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10). Gets rid of em all in no time.
I don't have that, but they seem to be blocked anyway. I still see a blank space though.

NEW ARTICLE BY THE ECONOMIST

--> 50% of the World's Economy is generated by the quest of people seeking to introduce advertisements into your home.
--> The other 50% comes from the quest of people seeking to remove these same advertisements from your home.
--> The remainder is what you see on Wall Street.
There's something about Asian-created humor that is so...(some positive word that may not even exist)

You mean their developing the unofficial CyberNations 2 :)
Whoops I didn't mean to say that out loud! :eek:
Yeah, it's a shame that's all it's gonna be. They may as well have left it be, but maybe NS2 makes more dollarpounds...

I seriously doubt it, but stranger things have happened.
There was this nation in WC40 I think called Naboomba Umbonga that should have made it that far.

I thought Sel Appa quit! Oh noes! I'm not going to make it anywhere... :(:(:(:(
NEVAR!

Have I been banned from entering the next World Cup?
Has anyone ever been banned? I mean I know we all want to ban Qazox, but we haven't.

Septentrionia

26-07-2008, 09:19

Has anyone ever been banned? I mean I know they all want to ban me, but they haven't.

fixed for truth (sorry, but someone had to)

The Archregimancy

26-07-2008, 09:41

Has anyone ever been banned? I mean I know they all want to ban me, but they haven't.

I don't remember an outright ban. The PopularFreedom incident of World Cup 26 (?) involved a nation being slapped with such a punitive ranking sanction for its behaviour that the nation was effectively strongly discouraged from participating for the forseeable future, but it wasn't actively banned.

We don't really need banning. In most cases, if a nation acts really, really, badly, reaction is so overwhelmingly negative in this thread and the WC thread that the nation tends to stop participating.

But those cases are really rare. We're a fairly tolerant bunch (why, we've put up with Sel for how many WCs now?), and unless a nation is actively and openly breaking rules, there's no need for anything so drastic as a ban.

Blouman Empire

26-07-2008, 13:24

Might be an oversight.. Just TG Vephrall or the Hosts, and they should be able to fix it for ya.

Will do, thanks.

I don't remember an outright ban. The PopularFreedom incident of World Cup 26 (?) involved a nation being slapped with such a punitive ranking sanction for its behaviour that the nation was effectively strongly discouraged from participating for the forseeable future, but it wasn't actively banned.

We don't really need banning. In most cases, if a nation acts really, really, badly, reaction is so overwhelmingly negative in this thread and the WC thread that the nation tends to stop participating.

But those cases are really rare. We're a fairly tolerant bunch (why, we've put up with Sel for how many WCs now?), and unless a nation is actively and openly breaking rules, there's no need for anything so drastic as a ban.

Just a question, as I am new to this world; what was this incident? Also you talk of rules what rules might these be, or is there somewhere for me to read up on them? I mean apart from common courtesy and obvious rules such as coming on to this thread and abusing the hell out of another player because he beat you.

Liventia

26-07-2008, 13:35

The incident was that without solid proof, PF outright accused the hosts of fixing his games against him and withdrew from qualifying in a huff around the halfway stage. He was given a -3 point penalty per remaining match, if I recall correctly.

Starblaydia

26-07-2008, 13:37

Just a question, as I am new to this world; what was this incident? Also you talk of rules what rules might these be, or is there somewhere for me to read up on them? I mean apart from common courtesy and obvious rules such as coming on to this thread and abusing the hell out of another player because he beat you.
PF essentially railed against the fact his team were losing most of their matches and withdrew halfway though qualifying because of scorinator bias - i.e. he didn't like the results. All remaining matches were awarded as a 3-0 win to the opposing sides and PF lost three points each game from then on.

All of it was in the discussion thread at the time (which is now lost) but PF's post in the RP thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10294136&postcount=285) and the WC26 Scores Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463994) illustrates it better than storytelling.

Kura-Pelland

26-07-2008, 14:27

Liventia was first but Starblaydia posted it at 13:37 in his timezone. He wins. :D

The Archregimancy

26-07-2008, 22:01

PopularFreedom has, of course, recently returned to sports RP, opening at least one thread where current WC participants are playing him in friendly cup matches.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with this, and I hope all participants in these matches enjoy themselves.

What's disappointing is that one of his posts in the thread revisits the events of WC26; he not only renews his claim of bias, but claims that events subsequently proved that his claims were true.

I think it's important here to state that this is utter hogwash. There were no events in WC26 that either resulted from or proved any scorination bias by either co-host (CH and Oli/Sept). IIRC, and I'm not getting my controversies confused, there was subsequently a controversy when it turned out that Oli hadn't been adding the RP bonuses correctly into the matches he was scorinating - something which Oli openly admitted in the discussion thread. This was a scorination error, but it in no way substantiated or supported PF's claims of bias.

It's also worth pointing out that PopularFreedom was only in his third World Cup when he started complaining about not winning matches. Qualifying in a nation's third cup was and is rare. It was the Archregimancy's (though not the Dreamed Realm's) third World Cup too, and if you look at the scores thread, you'll see that the monks faded away badly after an excellent start, eventually failing to qualify on the final match day. IC, this was a clear example of anti-Orthodox bias, but OOC there was no question of scorination bias.

And before Sel starts complaining, there's a clear qualitative difference between PF's behaviour and the Jey withdrawal that Sel still gets worked up about. PF withdrew after openly accusing the hosts of bias in an OOC post in the RP thread, only subsequently trying to find an RP fig-leaf to cover his behaviour. Jey's withdrawal was entirely IC, and wasn't accompanied by unjustified OOC accusations directed towards tournament hosts.

Sel Appa

27-07-2008, 01:32

In b4 how many cups it took everyone to qualify.

Vephrall

27-07-2008, 01:35

In b4 how many cups it took everyone to qualify.
Eh? In English, please?

Oh, and I've also fixed the signup issue with Blouman Empire.

Cafundeu

27-07-2008, 02:10

Just for general note: the current desired number of sign-ups is 82, for 10 groups of 8 countries in the qualifying stage.

Kannone

27-07-2008, 02:27

Could I join?

Cafundeu

27-07-2008, 02:59

Of course! You just need to sign-up in this thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=559344 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=559344)

to reach the initial desired number, we still need 4 countries.

Kannone

27-07-2008, 03:02

I'm new so what is in these World Bowls?

Land de Wood

27-07-2008, 03:06

ooc: Kanone you do realise this is the soccer world cup, not the American football bowl that you've been looking for elsewhere on this forum.
The world bowl is currently going on at http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=561005

Of course if you wanted to play soccer as well as American football then please stay and join the fun here.

Kannone

27-07-2008, 03:10

I do...I like both.

EDIT: I'll settle for Football...so where does that thing start?

Taeshan

27-07-2008, 03:41

Blouman Empire

27-07-2008, 04:04

Eh? In English, please?

Oh, and I've also fixed the signup issue with Blouman Empire.

Thankyou Vephrall.

And thank you Star and Arch, that was a bit harsh by PF, I mean I have lost games before sometimes very poorly but I have always but that down to the luck factor in the scorinator program.

The last cup was my third time in and I just missed out by a point from qualifying, due to twice losing to the bottom team and only managing a draw in the final game where a won would have seen me go through, hopefully the fourth time is the charm.

Qazox

27-07-2008, 04:11

... I mean I know we all want to ban Qazox, but we haven't.

I'm almost willing to bet REAL LIFE $$ that you (Sel Appa) would be banned before I ever will. :p

Qazox

27-07-2008, 04:19

In b4 how many cups it took everyone to qualify.

5th for me and.....15th before i advanced past the 1st round.

I asked once, and will ask again.. Does anyone have the latest KPB Rankings? and can they post them sometime soon, please? thanks.

Prux

27-07-2008, 04:22

In b4 how many cups it took everyone to qualify.

Still waiting, and going on my 6th. :mad::mad:

Cafundeu

27-07-2008, 04:44

In b4 how many cups it took everyone to qualify.

One cup :D

Vephrall

27-07-2008, 04:59

I asked once, and will ask again.. Does anyone have the latest KPB Rankings? and can they post them sometime soon, please? thanks.

I do have rankings through the end of WC41. If there's a pressing need for them, I can probably get those posted in the next 24 hours.

Qazox

27-07-2008, 05:19

I do have rankings through the end of WC41. If there's a pressing need for them, I can probably get those posted in the next 24 hours.

No pressing need, just curious as to where I'm at after my shocking Quarterfinal run...:wink:

Vephrall

27-07-2008, 05:26

Qazox is 13th with 33.74 points.

I was originally planning to wait until after the BoF to post new ranks, but if I get bored enough tomorrow I can throw in the CoH results and put 'em up.

PopularFreedom

27-07-2008, 05:28

Greetings,

Just thought I would clarify some things that have been left out of this whole thing about me a few posts earlier:

-raised some concerns about the setup of WC24 and that those who post a lot (rosters, news stories etc) are not rewarded for it, was concerned about the whole 'old boys club' mentality and noted some ideas on how to change it (again in WC 24) so the new people could actually feel inclusive (you know what you probably want, more people getting involved). This seemed to rattle some and made others downright hostile towards me (during WC24) though it was just ideas, I do not see the problem with noting ideas, my apologies as this is really what turned some hostile towards me (the WC26 pullout is just an excuse) and this was back in WC24

-there was one tourney or WC or something that was RE-DONE, my team was actually doing well then it was like, oh wait that was just all a rehearsal or something (after a few games were simmed) to that effect, then my team started losing again so what am I suppose to think in regards to how these tournaments are run?! :)
-during WC26 a certain member of the 'inner group' personally attacked my nation in one of their news posts, this was before I ever mentioned pulling out, and before I ever mentioned I had a problem with WC26. His attack was a holdover from my ideas from WC24 and in the end was what made me decide to RP something different in WC26 (the pullout) and have some fun. :)
-the unprofessionalism that can actually still be seen when I RPd a pullout (the snips and comments after the fact from a few) shows you just a tad of the hostility that some in the 'inner circle' had towards me, the reason, because in WC24 I offered some ideas that some did not like at all and that others were seemingly seriously considering. You can blame it on the WC26 pullout all you want, but those who were the root cause of it know the real truth as do I

-the proof I state (in my recent post about that someone did alter the WC26 games and was caught) to is in reference to stuff Liverpool England found. Maybe I misread what he wrote, but I clearly remember it stated that someone had run the scoreinator then redid it when they did not like the results and the fact that 2 people were involved was the alarming part. I BELIEVE it specifically referred to those in charge of WC26, if I am in error then apologies about that last part (the WC26 thing, though I remembered it seemed to indicate a WC and I was interested in reading it since it was one I had participated in) however this was read by me AFTER WC26 was done (I believe I read it when WC 28 was ongoing) and therefore until that point I was NOT venting that someone had specifically manipulated WC26 games including mine as some feel/claim/whatever

Do I have proof to any of this, nope, and I am not looking up old posts, I really do not have the time. I just remember what happened, the way it happened, and those who honestly got hostile on me for IDEAS from WC24 (good ideas at that but anyhow I digress). The WC26 pullout was due to one of those people being unprofessional in their news articles and insulting ME (not my nation), me. I figured, well shoot if I am not welcome here (again this is BEFORE I noted I had a problem with WC26 or that I would pullout) and since my nation is close to or DEAD LAST in WC26 (3rd WC I participated in and I was in dead last or second last by the time I decided to go through with my pullout I believe) then might as well have fun with it - I rarely take anything personal so for me the insult was not a problem and to be honest all I wanted to do was have fun writing news articles (hey it was fun, some of my citizens rioted at the news of the pullout etc etc) - I still have the news articles somewhere on one of the regional forums, lol :)

So anyhow, after 2 years (3 years? cant even remember anymore) I am back as I got FIFA 07 and found Creation Master 07 and thought hey this would be cool, could actually do REAL FOOTBALL and then sim games to have fun. It probably won't be as good as my idea on how to scoreinate them (in terms of rewarding people fairly) but it will be fun so those who want to participate can, those who dont, dont, I honestly do not mind nor care.

Just all I ask is when spouting off about me make sure you get your facts straight. I am 33 years old, I have two university degrees (honours at that), have worked for some of the largest business tycoons in the world and am honestly a decent human being who knows that I am on this planet to help others and make people have a better life (I really do not want to anger people though I guess due to my style I do that sometimes, sorry). :) So to anyone I ticked off, sorry. I figure the stuff above will tick someone off too but hey I am honest and am going to defend myself against incorrect information (hey I was planning on becoming a lawyer and still might go into that field in the future as working on another diploma on the side). If you want me to leave you all alone I will, just trying to have some fun, sorry for the bother :)

Cheers, Eagle Scream
PS: I so know the next post will probably be someone telling me to f off no doubt but oh well, you have a great day k, lolrofl :) (not being sarcastic either, just chilling, wish this could be clarified but guess not based on the conclusions I see some have come to in light of the truth I know about what really happened). Cheers :)

Vephrall

27-07-2008, 05:47

Greetings,

Just thought I would clarify some things that have been left out of this whole thing about me a few posts earlier:

Hello to you as well from the guy that was running Bedistan back in the day...

-raised some concerns about the setup of WC24 and that those who post a lot (rosters, news stories etc) are not rewarded for it, was concerned about the whole 'old boys club' mentality and noted some ideas on how to change it (again in WC 24) so the new people could actually feel inclusive (you know what you probably want, more people getting involved). This seemed to rattle some and made others downright hostile towards me (during WC24) though it was just ideas, I do not see the problem with noting ideas, my apologies as this is really what turned some hostile towards me (the WC26 pullout is just an excuse) and this was back in WC24

I'll be honest, it's a little hard for either of us to prove what occurred one way or the other due to the fact that the old discussion thread died after WC36 and is now inaccessible. I'd be willing to wager that it was pointed out then, though, that heavy RPers are by no means "not rewarded for it".

-there was one tourney or WC or something that was RE-DONE, my team was actually doing well then it was like, oh wait that was just all a rehearsal or something (after a few games were simmed) to that effect, then my team started losing again so what am I suppose to think in regards to how these tournaments are run?! :)
-during WC26 a certain member of the 'inner group' personally attacked my nation in one of their news posts, this was before I ever mentioned pulling out, and before I ever mentioned I had a problem with WC26. His attack was a holdover from my ideas from WC24 and in the end was what made me decide to RP something different in WC26 (the pullout) and have some fun. :)
-the unprofessionalism that can actually still be seen when I RPd a pullout (the snips and comments after the fact from a few) shows you just a tad of the hostility that some in the 'inner circle' had towards me, the reason, because in WC24 I offered some ideas that some did not like at all and that others were seemingly seriously considering. You can blame it on the WC26 pullout all you want, but those who were the root cause of it know the real truth as do I

I'll defer to others on this. My memory isn't what it used to be.

-the proof I state (in my recent post about that someone did alter the WC26 games and was caught) to is in reference to stuff Liverpool England found. Maybe I misread what he wrote, but I clearly remember it stated that someone had run the scoreinator then redid it when they did not like the results and the fact that 2 people were involved was the alarming part. I BELIEVE it specifically referred to those in charge of WC26, if I am in error then apologies about that last part (the WC26 thing, though I remembered it seemed to indicate a WC and I was interested in reading it since it was one I had participated in) however this was read by me AFTER WC26 was done (I believe I read it when WC 28 was ongoing) and therefore until that point I never did note that someone had specifically manipulated WC26 games including mine as some feel/claim/whatever

Most likely you did indeed misread it. As I recall, there was an error in scorination. In other words, the parameters given to the scorinator were incorrect. You may have ended up with a worse result as a result of the re-sim; I really can't remember. But what other option would there have been?

Just all I ask is when spouting off about me make sure you get your facts straight.

Fair enough, but be sure to follow your own advice.

(not being sarcastic either, just chilling, wish this could be clarified but guess not based on the conclusions I see some have come to in light of the truth I know about what really happened). Cheers :)

Ah yes, "the truth you know". Funnily enough, I also happen to know that the Loch Ness monster lives in my apartment complex's swimming pool. See my response to the previous quote.

Bazalonia

27-07-2008, 05:54

PopularFreedom

27-07-2008, 05:57

Hello to you as well from the guy that was running Bedistan back in the day...

I'll be honest, it's a little hard for either of us to prove what occurred one way or the other due to the fact that the old discussion thread died after WC36 and is now inaccessible. I'd be willing to wager that it was pointed out then, though, that heavy RPers are by no means "not rewarded for it".

I'll defer to others on this. My memory isn't what it used to be.

Most likely you did indeed misread it. As I recall, there was an error in scorination. In other words, the parameters given to the scorinator were incorrect. You may have ended up with a worse result as a result of the re-sim; I really can't remember. But what other option would there have been?

Fair enough, but be sure to follow your own advice.

No, thankfully for you, I got here before LE. (No offense, LE, but...well, you have to admit it's absolutely true.)

Ah yes, "the truth you know". Funnily enough, I also happen to know that the Loch Ness monster lives in my apartment complex's swimming pool. See my response two quotes up.

Greetings,

Hey, always dug your NSwiki on Bedistan, used it as a template for my own

Yep, I knew that heavy RPers are not rewarded for it, that is what I suggested should be changed and how to sort of balance it out which many were considering and some were vehemently opposed to when I brought it up in WC24 :)

I read it in WC28 approx so again, I just note that my conclusion about the altering of games was due to that. I do however remember clearly someone in that stating to rescoreinate however

I clarified in my post what I know based on what happened and what I believe, the points that are unsure are secondary anyhow

Cheers, ES
PS: waiting for that first hostile post, shame I have to crash soon, lol

PopularFreedom

27-07-2008, 06:03

I remember this. WC26 was a crazy world cup, in many aspects it was down right random. Wentland... need I say more? Though to be honest I can't remember PF withdrawing. But I remember an 80 pt penalty he received for withdrawing.

Going from Arch's recollection as previously posted there doesn't seem to be any bias towards PF. And anyway, after WC26 it's taken till WC42 for Oli to host again.

I see nothing compelling in changing my view but obviously PF believes this. I would suggest that you can't put it behind you and move on then well... then you need to work out a way to do that. Even if there was a direct personall bias against you... It's simply a game within a game. That doesn't really matter at all. And if you can't move on then you have bigger problems than Oli or CH.

Greetings,

Shoot forgot to clarify why this was brought up in the first place

Someone said hi in my post about international exhibitions and asked where they knew my name

I stated I was in RWC and WC

They stated they remember I pulled outta WC26

I noted I did not wish to go into it as would open pandoras box but yea and just stated some things to hopefully close it

Did a search today for my threads as they disappear after a day, noticed this thread which I have never posted in but had my name so was curious, read and noticed the incorrect information, had to comment to clarify points I felt were incorrect or misconstrued, here we are

Cheers, ES
PS: To be honest, I never remember Olli or CH to be the problem though then again I am horrible on names, numbers I am good at but anyhow I digress again

Qazox

27-07-2008, 06:29

Greetings,

Shoot forgot to clarify why this was brought up in the first place

Someone said hi in my post about international exhibitions and asked where they knew my name

I stated I was in RWC and WC

They stated they remember I pulled outta WC26

...

That wouldst be ME.

I technically was around then, (just was waiting for BoF for WC27 to start). My only thing was, the name rang a bell, just couldn't remember why.

I apologize to PF, if this brings some of the Old School nations to rant about you, and to the Old School nations, sorry if after 2 1/2 years WC26 is a sore subject.

(Commence Qazox bashing in 3...2...1...)

Vephrall

27-07-2008, 06:41

That wouldst be ME.

I technically was around then, (just was waiting for BoF for WC27 to start). My only thing was, the name rang a bell, just couldn't remember why.

I apologize to PF, if this brings some of the Old School nations to rant about you, and to the Old School nations, sorry if after 2 1/2 years WC26 is a sore subject.

(Commence Qazox bashing in 3...2...1...)

I think WC26 is a sore subject for some (though not me), but I think most everyone got that out of their system during the WC42 host vote.

And as for you, Qazox, you're a no-good deadbeat who still hasn't paid his WCC membership dues. Damn it, the kumquat trees at headquarters aren't going to water themselves! :p

Qazox

27-07-2008, 06:54

Qazox is 13th with 33.74 points.

YAY Lucky #13!!!!

I would pay my dues, but just as soon as I get the change of address card from the NSWC president, ya'll elect a new one. ;)

Speaking of Which, isn't after WC 42, when the presidency is up for grabs or is it WC 43?

Sorthern Northland

27-07-2008, 12:47

Damn it, the kumquat trees at headquarters aren't going to water themselves! :p
And the fruit won't bloody find their own way to me either. :P

Speaking of Which, isn't after WC 42, when the presidency is up for grabs or is it WC 43?

Anyone would think you're keen to see the back of Veph's presidency! :P

PopularFreedom

27-07-2008, 12:49

That wouldst be ME.

I technically was around then, (just was waiting for BoF for WC27 to start). My only thing was, the name rang a bell, just couldn't remember why.

I apologize to PF, if this brings some of the Old School nations to rant about you, and to the Old School nations, sorry if after 2 1/2 years WC26 is a sore subject.

(Commence Qazox bashing in 3...2...1...)

Greetings,

My apologies Qazox, did not mean to bring you into it, and again apologies to all who still are sore about this. :)

Cheers, ES

Vephrall

27-07-2008, 15:28

YAY Lucky #13!!!!

I would pay my dues, but just as soon as I get the change of address card from the NSWC president, ya'll elect a new one. ;)

Speaking of Which, isn't after WC 42, when the presidency is up for grabs or is it WC 43?

The next election is following WC42. And I don't think I'm going to run for re-election this time; time for someone else to have a shot. :)

Krytenia

27-07-2008, 15:31

-raised some concerns about the setup of WC24 and that those who post a lot (rosters, news stories etc) are not rewarded for it, was concerned about the whole 'old boys club' mentality and noted some ideas on how to change it (again in WC 24) so the new people could actually feel inclusive (you know what you probably want, more people getting involved). This seemed to rattle some and made others downright hostile towards me (during WC24) though it was just ideas, I do not see the problem with noting ideas, my apologies as this is really what turned some hostile towards me (the WC26 pullout is just an excuse) and this was back in WC24
Hi, WC24 co-host here. In hindsight, the RP bonus parameters may have been a bit too low at that point. Lessons learned for WC40, which had much higher parameters. The rankings move a lot more than they used to now!

-there was one tourney or WC or something that was RE-DONE, my team was actually doing well then it was like, oh wait that was just all a rehearsal or something (after a few games were simmed) to that effect, then my team started losing again so what am I suppose to think in regards to how these tournaments are run?! :)
Unfortunately, sometimes resims happen - usually doe to human error. I buggered up the final of the last tournament I hosted and had to resim - and the other team won the resimmed game. (Sorry, Bazalonia.)

-during WC26 a certain member of the 'inner group' personally attacked my nation in one of their news posts, this was before I ever mentioned pulling out, and before I ever mentioned I had a problem with WC26. His attack was a holdover from my ideas from WC24 and in the end was what made me decide to RP something different in WC26 (the pullout) and have some fun. :)
Was this person LE, perchance? He tends to be the most...outspoken of the bunch. Take any criticism with a pinch of salt, for every moaner there are several people going "hmm...interesting."

-the unprofessionalism that can actually still be seen when I RPd a pullout (the snips and comments after the fact from a few) shows you just a tad of the hostility that some in the 'inner circle' had towards me, the reason, because in WC24 I offered some ideas that some did not like at all and that others were seemingly seriously considering. You can blame it on the WC26 pullout all you want, but those who were the root cause of it know the real truth as do I
Pulling out of a World Cup mid-tourney does cause outrage - the general consensus being that a place has been denied to someone who wants to participate all the way. Saying that, a pull-out did help me qualify for WC16 (thank you, The Water Cooler!) Those who bear a grudge should drop it now though...it's been sixteen Cups ffs.

-the proof I state (in my recent post about that someone did alter the WC26 games and was caught) to is in reference to stuff Liverpool England found. Maybe I misread what he wrote, but I clearly remember it stated that someone had run the scoreinator then redid it when they did not like the results and the fact that 2 people were involved was the alarming part. I BELIEVE it specifically referred to those in charge of WC26, if I am in error then apologies about that last part (the WC26 thing, though I remembered it seemed to indicate a WC and I was interested in reading it since it was one I had participated in) however this was read by me AFTER WC26 was done (I believe I read it when WC 28 was ongoing) and therefore until that point I was NOT venting that someone had specifically manipulated WC26 games including mine as some feel/claim/whatever
We don't talk about WC26...it wasn't well-run for reasons best known only to the hosts, and lessons were learnt all round.

PS: I so know the next post will probably be someone telling me to f off no doubt but oh well, you have a great day k, lolrofl :) (not being sarcastic either, just chilling, wish this could be clarified but guess not based on the conclusions I see some have come to in light of the truth I know about what really happened). Cheers :)
I'm sorely tempted to tell you to f off now just for a laugh...but I can't be bothered. :p

Liventia

27-07-2008, 15:59

Was this person LE, perchance? He tends to be the most...outspoken of the bunch. Take any criticism with a pinch of salt, for every moaner there are several people going "hmm...interesting."

That's really unfair on me, especially when you don't even know the relationship I and PF have. As his neighbour in the region to the immediate NW — and our good OOC relationship, even back then — to do so would've been suicide. I can make it clear now that it was not me, and I would not do anything to wreck a good OOC relationship unless it was a grave matter.

PopularFreedom

27-07-2008, 16:07

Hi, WC24 co-host here. In hindsight, the RP bonus parameters may have been a bit too low at that point. Lessons learned for WC40, which had much higher parameters. The rankings move a lot more than they used to now!

Unfortunately, sometimes resims happen - usually doe to human error. I buggered up the final of the last tournament I hosted and had to resim - and the other team won the resimmed game. (Sorry, Bazalonia.)

Was this person LE, perchance? He tends to be the most...outspoken of the bunch. Take any criticism with a pinch of salt, for every moaner there are several people going "hmm...interesting."

Pulling out of a World Cup mid-tourney does cause outrage - the general consensus being that a place has been denied to someone who wants to participate all the way. Saying that, a pull-out did help me qualify for WC16 (thank you, The Water Cooler!) Those who bear a grudge should drop it now though...it's been sixteen Cups ffs.

We don't talk about WC26...it wasn't well-run for reasons best known only to the hosts, and lessons were learnt all round.

I'm sorely tempted to tell you to f off now just for a laugh...but I can't be bothered. :p

Greetings,

Appreciate the read and the info and again the last thing I wanted to do was mention WC26 and everything associated with it when I returned, trust me, lol

Was not LE, to be honest I cannot remember who it was though a name or two does strike me as familiar that I am reading these posts but cannot remember why, then again probably better I dont recall, lol I actually have never had a problem with LE (that I have known of at least), lol

Yeah, if I had known there would have been outrage I would have simmed it much different in hindsight (was my C level league team at that, a league that has since folded anyhow, lol). I just wanted to RP and have some fun and well those who have read my newscasts in the past know I like to be colourful (Trebnak vs PopularFreedom and the whole Jodoski thing for instance, interesting he just resigned with North Beach for the record - one of the reasons how I remembered this place after I RPd that recently, lol) To anyone who took it personally (me jumping from WC26), I apologize, last thing I wanted to do was tick people off.

Cheers, Eagle Scream

PopularFreedom

27-07-2008, 16:11

OOC:

Okay, look to those who took offense at me jumping from WC26 I apologize. I honestly did not think it would be that big an issue else would have RPd differently.

To all the havoc I have caused in the forum the last few days, sorry again, did not mean it, just wanted to clarify things. I had no intention of re-raising the WC26 thing at all but in light of this maybe it was good it was re-raised.

I have no problems with anyone as the people who caused problems I dont remember who they are (then again I do not remember much from 3 years ago - no not due to drugs, though if video games is ever deemed a drug then I am guilty as charged) lol

Okay, hopefully that will be more then sufficient for us to move on until someone reads my post a page or 2 back and does not read this and spouts off, lolrofl

Cheers, Eagle Scream
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Responding to post below here:

minimizing your Footy Livewire posts to season results, or making a new thread

Yep, using my 2 newspapers for them from henceforth (I assume this is what you meant), except for end of season results for my three leagues (PFA ends end of August, ESL ends mid Sept, BFL ends end Dec) of course.

Cheers, ES

Daehanjeiguk

27-07-2008, 16:30

PF:

Some personal advice -

Please use as few posts as possible when discussing things with others; it's certainly exhausting to read through 2 pages of posts when you suddenly learn that it's all the same conversation. I understand that there are apparently some issues (maybe unresolved) that came from past experiences, but governing the manner in which you are responding to them, fewer posts would go a very long way at making (1) your point (whatever they are); (2) less waste (fewer posts others have to rummage, more time to read); and (3) happy times (extending a conversation that could be applied to a general audience as opposed to one person at a time means often repeated statements - repeated statements hash out the same thing over and over again, and in my opinion make opinions more striated and less susceptible to reason). Although not on the same topic, I would also suggest minimizing your Footy Livewire posts to season results, or making a new thread because they're starting to clutter up the Livewire thread too. I'm not suggesting that your posts are the incarnation of Satan's poodle (and I do enjoy reading them!), but I think others are getting annoyed (as I am) that they have to read through numerous pages to find Season results for one league (or many leagues). If you could at least mitigate the number of posts used for one statement, a lot of people would be a lot happier :D. On that note, I strongly encourage you to make your own thread and post your FA results there, because the quality is of top-caliber; it would be nice to see it continue without being a burden upon other people.

To everyone else:

Unless you really like picking your sores (and I do), I would suggest "tabling" the topic. PF has stated numerous times that his posts were to "clarify" the situation, and having numerous people restate their own "clarification" doesn't make anything clearer. It seems that something really big happened in WC26, since I've heard lots of stories about how "horrible" it was (makes me wonder where WC41 pars on that accord); but as someone who's more interested in the future, I would suggest leaving it to pass. WC26 may have been the incarnation of Satan's poodle, but continuing to hash out old sentiments makes scars that are hard to heal (like picking your wounds). Everyone needs about 10 ounces of coke and 10 minutes to sniff/snort/inject/eat/drink/fart it; when we're all happy about it, we can talk about WC42, not WC26 (unless everyone else is interested in scars).

Qazox

27-07-2008, 16:42

Greetings,

My apologies Qazox, did not mean to bring you into it, and again apologies to all who still are sore about this. :)

Cheers, ES

No need to apologize to me, seeing as I'm the one who asked you about it, and maybe started the PF-Bashing...:$

and SN, no i'm not keen on seeing Vephrall ousted yet. just was wondering when the next elections were.

Liventia

27-07-2008, 16:50

So...any prospective start date for the BoF so double-world-champions Liverpool England (in the guise of Liventia) can return to the international fold?

Krytenia

27-07-2008, 17:19

So...any prospective start date for the BoF so double-world-champions Liverpool England (in the guise of Liventia) can return to the international fold?

Well, if you'd voted for me, it would be tomorrow. :p

Also, sorry if I offended you in an earlier post. I shouldn't have named names.

Sel Appa

27-07-2008, 19:16

um as soon as we have 4 more signups most likely as Cafundeu has stated 80 teams plus hosts would be best for him and Sept. They ill have to wait for the Bof to happen though witch will take at least a week since FaIL is taking so long. Hint Hint
Taeshan-Jey...now there's a bid :rolleyes: ROFL

Still waiting, and going on my 6th. :mad::mad:
Really?!?! I guess I'm the only one that finds your RPs great. :(

One cup :D
You Brazilian Hax0r! :mad:

Greetings,
Spe'k o' th' Dev'l

The Archregimancy

27-07-2008, 22:10

It seems that something really big happened in WC26, since I've heard lots of stories about how "horrible" it was.

PF: Some personal advice -

Please use as few posts as possible when discussing things with others; it's certainly exhausting to read through 2 pages of posts when you suddenly learn that it's all the same conversation.

In which Han at least partially answers his own question, albeit requiring some rearrangement of his post to do so.

Jey

28-07-2008, 00:39

Taeshan-Jey...now there's a bid :rolleyes: ROFL

Sel, please, allow me to make this perfectly clear, and I'll hold back my language so another quarrel doesn't break out: your attempts at humor that involve me and your unchanging opinion of me as a result of my withdrawl are absolutely not appreciated, and I would hope that this message from me (you know, the subject of your jokes) would make you refrain from saying them again. I won't hold my breath.

Bazalonia

28-07-2008, 00:41

The Bof will start soon (As soon as I get onto Yaf) we were hoping for one more signup then we can get 20, but yeah, it's getting to be a bit long in the waiting stakes.

So we're going to start as soon as Yaf creates the post.

We Hate Football

28-07-2008, 02:13

So to summerise the last few pages...

- World Cup 26 was rubbish and ages ago
- The BoF will start shortly, that I may or may not be in, depending on if someone else turns up.
- Sel Appa is a... little bit annoying.

Qazox

28-07-2008, 04:31

- Sel Appa is a... little bit annoying.

The 100% truest fact ever posted.

The 2nd truest fact: Qazox likes to write about nothing alot, in every thread.

Daehanjeiguk

28-07-2008, 05:36

I'm still surprised no one's chanting "End of the World" rhymes, because the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything is about to be upon us...

Yafalonia and Bazor 2

28-07-2008, 05:42

Okay, this is Yafor 2.

The official date for closure of sign-ups and the start of the Baptism of Fire thread is Thursday, July 31st. As, for the moment, both Bazalonia and I are in the east of the world, this will most likely be very late in the night US time, and in the morning for time zones near ours. We're hoping to get one more sign-up before Thursday (and will then be going with a 20-team format), but if not, we'll go with a 16-team format.

Bazalonia will post a group draw Saturday, August 2nd, while I'll be on a plane back to the US.

Scorination will most likely begin Sunday or Monday.

The Archregimancy

28-07-2008, 13:38

I'm still surprised no one's chanting "End of the World" rhymes, because the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything is about to be upon us...

Ah, but you can't understand the answer until you know what the question is.

Starblaydia

28-07-2008, 13:57

Ah, but you can't understand the answer until you know what the question is.

This Cup is going to be full of Douglas Adams quotes.

'Bout time, too!

The Archregimancy

28-07-2008, 14:34

This Cup is going to be full of Douglas Adams quotes.

But I'm willing to bet a substantial number of KPB points that I'm going to be the only WC 42 participant who's contributed a chapter to a [shameless self-promotion alert] book with a preface written by Douglas Adams (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Digging-Holes-Popular-Culture-Conservation/dp/1842170635)....

Krytenia

28-07-2008, 22:10

This Cup is going to be full of Douglas Adams quotes.

'Bout time, too!

Hmmm...now remind me, which team has a player called Fenchurch? :D

Starblaydia

28-07-2008, 22:42

Hmmm...now remind me, which team has a player called Fenchurch? :D

Would secretly have preferred to call her Anathema. But I needed something that shortened to Fenny.

Krytenia

28-07-2008, 23:20

Would secretly have preferred to call her Anathema. But I needed something that shortened to Fenny.
At least the surname wasn't Stratford...

(Fenny Stratford. Go look it up.)

Arroza

29-07-2008, 01:03

The Arrozan National team will be sponsored by K&M Beachwear.

K&M Beachwear: Do you know where your towel is?

Sorthern Northland

29-07-2008, 01:36

K&M Beachwear: Do you know where your towel is?

In the bathroom unless someone's stolen it. :p

Daehanjeiguk

29-07-2008, 02:12

The Arrozan National team will be sponsored by K&M Beachwear.

K&M Beachwear: Do you know where your towel is?

*curses that the towel is about 40,000 feet in the air flying to Bangkok*

Sel Appa

29-07-2008, 03:23

I'm still surprised no one's chanting "End of the World" rhymes, because the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything is about to be upon us...
See, that was going to be the theme of my bid if I had one for 42.

Qazox

29-07-2008, 04:21

Here's the thing.. making an AHHGTTG reference or RP theme during WC 42 is too easy.

Not making a reference to any of the increasingly mis-named trilogy books will be a challenge.

And I am up for that challenge.

I just hope that I don't have to face Squornshelous at all, or else it would be a bit tougher to pull off.

In fact for the entire duration of WC42, Qazox will call Squornshelous... DAVE.

And any team's player whose first, middle or last name is any name found within any AHHGTTG book, it will be changed to WENDY. So if you have a player named Arthur Dent on your team, my RP will say WENDY WENDY.

I'm up for this challenge.. is anyone else?

Dancougar

29-07-2008, 04:27

Not making a reference to any of the increasingly mis-named trilogy books will be a challenge.

And I am up for that challenge.

But think of the possibilities! Qazox wins the final this time thanks to the infinite improbability drive! Because giant whales magically fall from the sky on all the other teams!

Qazox

29-07-2008, 04:41

But think of the possibilities! Qazox wins the final this time thanks to the infinite improbability drive! Because giant whales magically fall from the sky on all the other teams!

Only if the final is at StarvoMueller Beta. :p

Daehanjeiguk

29-07-2008, 05:11

I just hope that I don't have to face Squornshelous at all, or else it would be a bit tougher to pull off.

And here's the Fairy of World Cup to grant your wish; Squornshelous will not be at World Cup 42 at all!

*bonks Qazox on the head*

Your wish is granted.

Qazox

29-07-2008, 06:41

And here's the Fairy of World Cup to grant your wish; Squornshelous will not be at World Cup 42 at all!

*bonks Qazox on the head*

Your wish is granted.

Well that just sucks.

But the rest of it still holds true.

and now for the most SELF-IMPORTANT PART OF ALL:

MY 1000TH POST
(combined) on this thread and the Old WCDT.

ALL HAIL :hail: the WCDT KING!

That's right, of the over 16,000 combined posts of the 2 threads, I have provided more than 6% of all posts.

Greal

29-07-2008, 06:41

Has the Baptism of fire started yet?

Starblaydia

29-07-2008, 06:47

That's right, of the over 16,000 combined posts of the 2 threads, I have provided more than 6% of all posts.

And more than 90% of the utter drivel, too.

Qazox

29-07-2008, 06:52

And more than 90% of the utter drivel, too.

It's more like 89.98%... :p :rolleyes:, but what's 0.02% amongst friends?

Bazalonia

29-07-2008, 07:14

Has the Baptism of fire started yet?

No, not yet...

Though please read the following post

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13873012#post13873012

When the BoF Starts, the link will be posted here and on the Signups thread

Greal

29-07-2008, 07:15

Ok thanks.

Sel Appa

29-07-2008, 19:25

Well that just sucks.

But the rest of it still holds true.

and now for the most SELF-IMPORTANT PART OF ALL:

MY 1000TH POST
(combined) on this thread and the Old WCDT.

ALL HAIL :hail: the WCDT KING!

That's right, of the over 16,000 combined posts of the 2 threads, I have provided more than 6% of all posts.

More like SPAM KING.

Dancougar

29-07-2008, 21:31

More like SPAM KING.

I for one welcome our new spam overlord!

Krytenia

29-07-2008, 21:32

It's more like 89.98%... :p :rolleyes:, but what's 0.02% amongst friends?
That post. Next question.

Vephrall

29-07-2008, 22:07

I for one welcome our new spam overlord!

In Soviet Russia, spam overlord welcomes YOU!

...oh wait, wrong site. :D

The Archregimancy

29-07-2008, 23:12

More like SPAM KING.

Takes one to know one...

Jeruselem

30-07-2008, 03:01

Takes one to know one...

In this NWCDT ....

Qazox 516
Daehanjeiguk 452
Jeruselem 416
Sel Appa 336
Starblaydia 302
The Archregimancy 199

You're not doing badly either! Dae's doing his bit ...

Sorthern Northland

30-07-2008, 03:31

Han's spam is usually worth reading though.

Green wombat

30-07-2008, 03:33

Han's Spam?

Isn't that a delicacy in Thailand?

Daehanjeiguk

30-07-2008, 04:07

Incidentally, you'll have to thank them Northerners when it comes to Spam. Koreans are apparently the world's third largest market for Spam (and with as much as we use Spam, I'd believe it).

!SPAM!

http://noticethings.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/spam.jpg

Green wombat

30-07-2008, 04:20

Daehanjeiguk

30-07-2008, 04:28

We finally met Deahanjeiguk's President!

Congratulations! You pass the stupid test for determining the head of state of the Han Empire is the President dressed in SPAM suit. You get to choose your reward:

(1) Twenty dozen lovely ladies throwing you off a cliff into a icy lake of acid, set to make you burn in hell for the next 60 generations;
(2) Twenty dozen disgusting ladies giving you unnecessary and unsolicited attention, set to make your life an existential nightmare for the next 60 generations.

Green wombat

30-07-2008, 05:05

i chose #1.

The Archregimancy

30-07-2008, 10:57

In this NWCDT ....

Qazox 516
Daehanjeiguk 452
Jeruselem 416
Sel Appa 336
Starblaydia 302
The Archregimancy 199

You're not doing badly either! Dae's doing his bit ...

Though I still do no better than two thirds of the total number of posts of the top five (and less than half of the top three), even after this post.

I'll leave it to others to judge the relative substance and comparisons of qualitative content (shameless promotions of books I've contributed to perhaps aside).

Jeruselem

30-07-2008, 12:46

Though I still do no better than two thirds of the total number of posts of the top five (and less than half of the top three), even after this post.

I'll leave it to others to judge the relative substance and comparisons of qualitative content (shameless promotions of books I've contributed to perhaps aside).

You're on the quality side, me ... I just like spamming being an ex-Generalite :tongue:

I need to learn how find those weird images like Dae does.

Bostopia

30-07-2008, 13:36

(shameless promotions of books I've contributed to perhaps aside).

Arch, pray tell (like what I did there?) what books are these that you speak of? From where could they be bought for low low prices?

Would autographed copies be available?

In a WCDT relevant sort of line: Go World Cup 42. Woo.

Krytenia

30-07-2008, 22:05

In this NWCDT ....

Qazox 516
Daehanjeiguk 452
Jeruselem 416
Sel Appa 336
Starblaydia 302
The Archregimancy 199

You're not doing badly either! Dae's doing his bit ...

I'm intrigued now! Do you have the full table?

Starblaydia

30-07-2008, 22:10

I'm intrigued now! Do you have the full table?
On the main forum page click the number in the replies column, it'll give you the full list.

Krytenia

30-07-2008, 23:01

On the main forum page click the number in the replies column, it'll give you the full list.

I feel like such a n00b now.

If anyone wants me, I'll be in NSG with a bottle of Orcinus and poor grammar.

Greal

30-07-2008, 23:24

Who won the most world cups?

Starblaydia

30-07-2008, 23:28

Who won the most world cups?

He and she did. (http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/World_Cup#Summary_by_nation)

Jeruselem

31-07-2008, 00:26

On the main forum page click the number in the replies column, it'll give you the full list.

It's a nice feature, a lot of other forums don't have anything like it.

Taeshan

31-07-2008, 03:20

hey everydoby im ranked 18th on the list and yes it is pretty cool

Taeshan

31-07-2008, 03:21

I Also like the thing at the bottom that tells you how many other people are on at the time hey Sept.

Taeshan

31-07-2008, 03:23

Antone now when the Bof is going to get started because it seems to me that its taking for ever, and Baz, and Yaf are not really doing a lot to get it done.(not to be rude, they might have started it i dont now i dont think they have)

Taeshan

31-07-2008, 03:24

Anyways im done for tonight most likely so see you guys tomorrow. 10:23 Eastern time i wont be to bed for hours though im bored. Anybody now any good science projects by the way?

Vephrall

31-07-2008, 03:37

In future, please try to keep all that in one post. Thanks.
Regarding the BoF, see here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13873012&postcount=5430).

Bazalonia

31-07-2008, 03:50

Thanks Taeshan for your input, but I find the way you approached it quite frankly insulting. I have posted information both in this thread and on the WC42 signups inregards to a time-table for the starting of the BoF.

Yaf will put up the thread sometime tonight my time (it's approaching 1pm Aus-time) I will do the group draw on Saturday and the matches will start soon after in line with the information already posted. Next time please check if there isn't already information available before posting as you have.

Greal

31-07-2008, 04:10

Great. Its good to be around tonight.

Sel Appa

31-07-2008, 04:53

I feel like such a n00b now.

If anyone wants me, I'll be in NSG with a bottle of Orcinus and poor grammar.Don't feel bad. When I discovered it, I thought I was the first to realize that...

Newmanistan

31-07-2008, 06:02

Showing that there is a reason to all this World Cup stuff.....

Today, Newmanistan's World Cup team won me $180 in real life. I went to the track (horse racing), and in this one race there was a triple that I could not resist placing:

The name of one horse was "Brooker D". If you follow my team, you know that our top defender is Jeremy Brooker. Another horse had the the name of (something I forget) boot gold, so naturally I think "Golden Boot". A third was named (something) Hero. So, it was just screaming out at me. I placed it, and it came out. 180 bucks.

The numbers were 4-7-5. A sign that in five Cups, we will win World Cup 47? :)

Qazox

31-07-2008, 06:20

...

The numbers were 4-7-5. A sign that in five Cups, we will win World Cup 47? :)

Sorry, but World Cups 47 thru 49 are Qazox'. It even says so in the Bible... Depending on which version you use, what world counting system you use and the position of Neptune as it crosses the orbit of Pluto. But it is in there!

Greal

31-07-2008, 06:40

I aim to be at least runner up. Probably impossible for a newbie.

But you never know...

Starblaydia

31-07-2008, 07:31

I aim to be at least runner up. Probably impossible for a newbie.

But you never know...

If you actually qualify for your first World Cup - whatever position you happen to have finished in the Baptism of Fire - that will be an excellent achievement. If you do manage to get there, though, anything can happen.

Bazalonia

31-07-2008, 08:35

The Baptism of Fire has Started

TG's will be sent out shortly and the thread is...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=561959

Up there...

Greal

31-07-2008, 09:12

Great, and I have no idea how to make a kit. Can anyone please help?

Starblaydia

31-07-2008, 09:19

Great, and I have no idea how to make a kit. Can anyone please help?

Two main storefronts are available for your kit-buying requirements:

ediraf (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=555065) (Starblaydia)
JMC (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458546) (Krytenia)

Greal

31-07-2008, 09:51

Two main storefronts are available for your kit-buying requirements:

ediraf (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=555065) (Starblaydia)
JMC (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458546) (Krytenia)

Thanks, you have an order from me! :D

The Archregimancy

31-07-2008, 10:43

Arch, pray tell (like what I did there?) what books are these that you speak of? From where could they be bought for low low prices?

Linky to the post a couple of pages ago that my self-deprecating remark was referring to, which itself has a link to Amazon: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13873704&postcount=5433.

The original discussion thread also contained a brief tangential discussion of my book on British ceramics in Australia. I also edit a major professional society newsletter. I usually write at least one book chapter or journal article a year (not really a heavy output by academic standards); only the one sole-authored book so far, though.

And though I naughtily brought the topic up, I'd rather drop this now as it's not relevant to the NSWC; this is the World Cup Discussion Thread, and not the Collected Archaeological Works of the Archregimancy Discussion Thread. Please TG me Bos if you're genuinely interested rather than gently pulling my leg.

However, I suspect that most people not directly interested in historical archaeology or ceramics would only find most of my work to be an excellent cure for insomnia.

For moderation purposes, I should point out that none of the above constitutes a commercial advert or endorsement as I gain no royalties for my academic publications - all those thousands of words, and I've never seen a cent/penny/centime.

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