NationStates Jolt Archive

Memo to whichever of the two host nations the WC41 opening ceremony will take place: Involve some of them marching cows.

Anyone know roughly when the Group Draws will take place?

I'm aiming to do it today, or at the very latest by Tuesday.

We will have pre-qualifying friendlies, regardless of the group draw, on Tuesday, so get those requests mailed in!

Do we have some sort of grand opening ceremony like in the Olympics? Is that what C&M is talking about?

Do we have some sort of grand opening ceremony like in the Olympics? Is that what C&M is talking about?

How much crazier can it be? I mean, our BOF draw had manatees doing the picking.

I'm relieved that I finished my roster before the draw...

I just don't want to be the San Marino or Northern Ireland of my group.

Chances are...

(1) The Group Draw will be done today, pending a decision about Gwaine, the real big pain in the %$#^ main chain... sayin?

(2) The Group Draw will not be like the Opening Ceremonies of the Olympics - more like the Group Draws for the World Cup.

i.e.:

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://iran.worldcupblog.org/files/2007/11/p_world_cup_2010_draw.jpg&usg=AFQjCNE570gMOREZp90cXiKDVm6YbwdoDQ

a.k.a.: no manatees

(3) We will have a referee thread, as soon as I get my lazy fingers to look for it or just post up another thread.

(4) Arroza will be drawn into a group, much in the manner like San Marino and/or Northern Ireland (although to be honest, Northern Ireland does have a better chance than does San Marino).

And seconding LE/Adihan/Liventia's call for friendlies - they will close Monday (to give us time to arrange for the scoring events).

Also, I rescind my statement about the Group Draw, as further analysis has determined other possible complications that would be best avoided by not doing the Group Draw immediately today (although if it clears up, we will attempt to continue to schedule the Draw at a reasonable time, before the friendlies are posted hopefully).

Back from a trip to Constantino.... I mean, Istanbul.

Don't seem to have missed much except another soul-strengthening slight slide through the rankings for the two perennial underachievers from the Dreamed Realm.

Pleased to see that the WC hasn't started quite yet - I was worried things would get underway without me. Without meaning in any way to pressure the hosts (I'm patient), I'm now feeling refreshed and ready to go....

You were in Byzantium and you didn't bring me back anything? BAD ARCH. lol

You were in Byzantium and you didn't bring me back anything? BAD ARCH. lol

I don't think he'll find too many icons of the Virgin Maggie for sale in Islamic Byzantium man! LOL

I just don't want to be the San Marino or Northern Ireland of my group.

Don't feel too bad, I'm the Buffalo Bills, Minnesota Vikings and the Chicago Cubs of the NSWC.

And R.I.P. Jim McKay. Best US Sports Announcer EVER.

How much crazier can it be? I mean, our BOF draw had manatees doing the picking.
MANATEES?! WHERE?!?! I <3 MANATEES. Second best non-human animal after turtles. (ie. linkplz?)

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://iran.worldcupblog.org/files/2007/11/p_world_cup_2010_draw.jpg&usg=AFQjCNE570gMOREZp90cXiKDVm6YbwdoDQ

Since when did South Africa have its group draw...

a.k.a.: no manatees
aww... How about turtles?

Since when did South Africa have its group draw...



It's the UEFA draw for qualifers. For some wierd reason, they've had it in the host country(/ies) for the past few cups...damn Euros, just do it in you own dang continent like every one else.

Chances are...

(1) The Group Draw will be done today, pending a decision about Gwaine, the real big pain in the %$#^ main chain... sayin?

Have you seen the last-second sign-up attempt by Kansiov in the sign-up thread?

Can you simply replace Gwaine with Kansiov?

I don't think he'll find too many icons of the Virgin Maggie for sale in Islamic Byzantium man! LOL

Jeru, you'd be surprised... Don't assume that a simple little thing like a fundamental difference in religious belief gets in the way of making money. There's any number of tourist tat faux icons of the Mother of God (and since when was 'Maggie' a diminuative of 'Mary'?) and Jesus around Haghia Sophia, and most of the reputable shops in the antiques section of the Grand Bazaar sell genuine antique icons.

In any case, Mary is reverenced in Islam as well. Westerners often forget that Islam shares, for example, the Virgin birth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Mary_in_Islam#The_virgin_birth), and the Second Coming of Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Jesus#Second_coming) during the final war against the Antichrist (Bush and Ahmedinijad share a spookily similar eschatology, for what it's worth).

Of course, Islam doesn't have any time for the physical representations of religious figures, which is why it has no counterparts to Orthodox (or Catholic) icons - but again, that doesn't get in the way of making money in the parts of Istanbul frequented by tourists.

And don't forget that the Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople is still based in the city, though the Greek community has dwindled to some 5,000 people in the city and a few more in the Princes' Islands.

But just to make this vaguely relevant to the NSWC, once I've finished with Photoshop, I should have some new images to support RP for both the Archregimancy and the Holy Empire. I think you'll find that the Imperial Basilica of the Holy Wisdom will look suspiciously like Haghia Sophia without minarets.

Have you seen the last-second sign-up attempt by Kansiov in the sign-up thread?

Can you simply replace Gwaine with Kansiov?

West Starblaydia was not reflected on the signups list despite a signup; they are entered in Gwaine's place.

Kansiov will be entered if Krytenia (Free Krytenian Rebels) is not resurrected.

Who is Gwaine?

Arch: Have a good time in Istanbul then? Good thing you got out of there the atmosphere is not going to be good in the next few weeks due to Euro 2008.

Arch: Have a good time in Istanbul then? Good thing you got out of there the atmosphere is not going to be good in the next few weeks due to Euro 2008.

He got out of Turkey at the right time. Portugal outplayed the Turkish team 2-0 today. Honestly, the Turkish team played like rubbish ...

:p

Portugal outplayed the Turkish team 2-0 today. Honestly, the Turkish team played like rubbish ...

Ladies and gentlemen, (the nssport guys will understand this: SHOUTOUT TO NSSPORT! WOO!) the bag of worms has been well and truly opened.

*runs from Kose*

Swiss 0 Czech 1,

Czech Republic was the one that played like shit. Lol. :p

MANATEES?! WHERE?!?! I <3 MANATEES. Second best non-human animal after turtles. (ie. linkplz?)


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13710905&postcount=17

Arch: Have a good time in Istanbul then? Good thing you got out of there the atmosphere is not going to be good in the next few weeks due to Euro 2008.

We enjoyed Istanbul tremendously.

As to the football, I can assure you that I had several intense discussions over the relative merits of Ronaldo versus Nihat over a bottle of Turkish wine. Unfortunately from my perspective, Ronaldo's lot proved rather better than Nihat's lot. Still, I wish Turkey all the best in their next two matches, even if in the absence of any UK teams I'll actually be supporting Russia (because my wife is Russian) and Croatia (because Niko Kranjcar plays for Portsmouth).

Ladies and gentlemen, (the nssport guys will understand this: SHOUTOUT TO NSSPORT! WOO!) the bag of worms has been well and truly opened.

*runs from Kose*

Yeah you best run!
And I still feel cheated by two things:
Fatih Terims inept managing.

and Emre Tripping Tuncay up.

Yeah you best run!
And I still feel cheated by two things:
Fatih Terims inept managing.

and Emre Tripping Tuncay up.

Turkish whine. :p


EDIT: Scratch that bit..

C&M just replied on behalf of Y&B2 - sorry for the delay...

Either way, the 'And' trophy can have Y&B2 or not.... I was late.

Actually, I think I was late. ;)

C&M, did you get the response I sent to your telegram from my Yafor 2 account? Just wondering, because I didn't receive a confirmation from your end. :)

EDIT: sorry to make to you write something up - to be honest, I was more worried that your telegram box was full (and you hadn't received my response) than anything else.

Actually, I think I was late. ;)

C&M, did you get the response I sent to your telegram from my Yafor 2 account? Just wondering, because I didn't receive a confirmation from your end. :)

On the Ahershk matter? Aye, did I not reply? Apologies, I will rectify that momentarily. :(


Right-o, anyway, a full compliment of And nations means I can now try and bully Daehan into doing a unnecessarily complex set of friendly fixtures... [You've got a lot to answer for, N&N. ;)]

Qazox wholeheartedly endorses SPAIN as the winner of Euro08. Why not? if the dang Greeks and the Danes can win one, why not the Spanish?

Scratch what I said earlier, about Qazox. I'm the SPAIN of the NSWC.

Turkish whine. :p


EDIT: Scratch that bit..

hehe don't think that I don't believe that we did play bad, I'm just saying that perhaps we should have got more from the match, plus I prefer Raki to Wine.

Scratch what I said earlier, about Qazox. I'm the SPAIN of the NSWC.

Sorry, Qaz, Spain actually have good players.

Turkish whine.


I was pleasantly surprised by Turkish wine. I had a very nice dry white with my sea bream cooked in a salt crust on Friday night.

C&M no doubt couldn't have been so uncharitable as to suggest any other type of wine, however spelled, was intended.

Qazox wholeheartedly endorses SPAIN as the winner of Euro08. Why not? if the dang Greeks and the Danes can win one, why not the Spanish?

Scratch what I said earlier, about Qazox. I'm the SPAIN of the NSWC.

Maybe Scotland; Spain actually reaches the next round of the tournament.

Swiss 0 Czech 1,

Czech Republic was the one that played like shit. Lol. :p

Personally, I don't want the Swiss to win, and start up your hate mail for being glad when Frei was reported out of action for the rest of the tournament. Plus, I like the Czechs; unfortunately, not one of the best attacking teams in Europe.

Personally, I don't want the Swiss to win, and start up your hate mail for being glad when Frei was reported out of action for the rest of the tournament. Plus, I like the Czechs; unfortunately, not one of the best attacking teams in Europe.

After the whole Swiss innigration deal, I'd like to see them crash and burn as well. The Croats looked underwhelming, and the Germans were working with...well.......German efficiency when I quit watching at the half.

As far as I'm concerned, I'd like to see Turkiye win it all. Why not? If Greece could do it, and if Fenerbahce got to the C/L quarters, anything can happen.

As requested by apparently one person (and a lot of other people secretly endorsing that one person's move):

The Referee Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=558467)

GROUP DRAW FOR WC41 QUALIFYING

On #NSSPORT (espernet) in 30 minutes!

HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13753515&postcount=36)

Apologies but I can't find it...when does the first game start? And do RP's count now for the bonus?

and Emre Tripping Tuncay up.

Best moment of the match tbh. :D

Oh and Tuncay is rubbish.

Personally I think the Italians, French or Germans will win Euro 2008.

Not really hedging my bets am I? :p

On the Ahershk matter? Aye, did I not reply? Apologies, I will rectify that momentarily. :(


Right-o, anyway, a full compliment of And nations means I can now try and bully Daehan into doing a unnecessarily complex set of friendly fixtures... [You've got a lot to answer for, N&N. ;)]

if i recall, it was you who suggested inviting the other nations to gate-crash our party :)

By the by, does anyone know if the play-off format of last year will be used again, or if the top two will just go straight through?



C&M no doubt couldn't have been so uncharitable as to suggest any other type of wine, however spelled, was intended.

It was a weak pun, or 'play on words', Reggy. Surely a man of your learning would have realised that? :eek:

if i recall, it was you who suggested inviting the other nations to gate-crash our party :)

Shushshushshushshurrupshurrupshurrup...

Apologies but I can't find it...when does the first game start? And do RP's count now for the bonus?

All RPs posted after the group draw's publication will count towards the scorination as RP bonus.

Friendlies are on Tuesday, with MD1 set for Thursday June 12. Times are GMT. When Dae is scorinating, expect scores in the evening or at night (U.S. time), approximately around 0230 GMT. When I am scorinating, expect scores in the mornings (U.S. time), or approximately around 1330 GMT.

GROUP DRAW FOR WC41 QUALIFYING

On #NSSPORT (espernet) in 30 minutes!

HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13753515&postcount=36)

Yo I found a few errors in that post

Group 6
Hryvinia (
Jeru FC (40)
Kosovoe (90)
Casari (6)
Alversia (
West Starblaydia (31)

...

Missing two rankings, which are in the scores thread correctly.

Oh and Tuncay is rubbish.

I can't hear what you just said. Can you repeat?

Hey Septentrionia, we getting images of that contest for your version of Dazza? :p

I can't hear what you just said. Can you repeat?

You know that Tuncay bloke? He's not very good.

You know that Tuncay bloke? He's not very good.

Better than the entire Ireland squad.

In the meantime where do Ireland and England play?

On the play station.

Sigh we've been through this before. I'm better than Tuncay, I don't play for Ireland therefore I declare the Irish team better. Certainly don't see Robbie Keane running into his teammates and getting tackled by them or falling over every time he's in the box.

As for England and Ireland, I predict both teams will go the summer unbeaten. :P

It should have been a penalty all my friends agree that the ref's obvious bias to Portugal, cost us in the end plus it wasn't a dive and the ref has clearly adopted Greece as his nation.

It should have been a penalty all my friends agree that the ref's obvious bias to Portugal

Your friends are as credible as Fox News, one of the most credible news outlets in the world. So, of course you're right...

tbh all the people I've spoken to today are either English Welsh or Irish so it is probable that these people are scared of me.

Scared of you or scared of the harm you'll do to yourself? Keep it up and you'll be getting a stroke.

Who says my blood pressures high? and anyway the size I am at the moment it's no suprise that they're scared of me.

Who? The kids in year 1 ya small fecker? :p

tbh, I'm probably taller than you.

Qualification: As simply as possible; any complication in the Qualification format at this time would be pointless and perhaps aggravate some people. The hosts would prefer qualification structures that allowed 10 groups (top 3 qualify automatically), 12 groups (top 2 qualify automatically, third-ranked play in a play-off to complete the qualifying 30), or 15 groups (top 2 qualify automatically). The final format is yet to be decided, and is subject to change to accommodate the number of participants.So I'm assuming top 2 go through.

It was a weak pun, or 'play on words', Reggy. Surely a man of your learning would have realised that? :eek:

Of course I did. I was being dryly wry - dare I say arch - through intentional mock misunderstanding designed to help defuse a potential minor spat between posters in this very thread. I've done it before, and no doubt I'll do it again. If I hadn't just ruined things by explaining the technique, I'd be tempted to follow up by making a comment noting how I imagine Kose to be a 3 metre tall Turkish circus performer.

And a quick note from my other nation:

The Holy Empire Football Association hereby officially withdraws its challenge for a mid-season friendly against Milchama as the two nations have been drawn in the same qualification group.

And while I happily admit the inspiration, Mil shouldn't assume that my blancmanges are identical to the blancmanges who tried to win Wimbledon by turning their opposition into Scotsmen.

Of course I did. I was being dryly wry - dare I say arch - through intentional mock misunderstanding designed to help defuse a potential minor spat between posters in this very thread. I've done it before, and no doubt I'll do it again. If I hadn't just ruined things by explaining the technique, I'd be tempted to follow up by making a comment noting how I imagine Kose to be a 3 metre tall Turkish circus performer.

I’m a fool t’meself.

Friendlies are on Tuesday, with MD1 set for Thursday June 12. Times are GMT. When Dae is scorinating, expect scores in the evening or at night (U.S. time), approximately around 0230 GMT. When I am scorinating, expect scores in the mornings (U.S. time), or approximately around 1330 GMT.

Hm, so that's likely to cause matchdays of wildly differing lengths (sometimes about 12 hours, other times about 36). Obviously that can't really be helped since you're on opposite sides of the planet. I don't know whether you're planning to alternate matchdays, or have one do the first half and the other the second half, or what, but as a friendly suggestion for the benefit of RPers, I'd try to have as few mid-qualification hosting switchoffs as is feasible just to keep people from being tripped up by that.

Best moment of the match tbh. :D

Oh and Tuncay is rubbish.

Personally I think the Italians, French or Germans will win Euro 2008.

Not really hedging my bets am I? :p

With the way that people are playing, I'd say the Germans atm. But we'll see if Spain can knock off Russia (not an easy thing, if you've been paying attention to Hiddink's charges).

All RPs posted after the group draw's publication will count towards the scorination as RP bonus.

Friendlies are on Tuesday, with MD1 set for Thursday June 12. Times are GMT. When Dae is scorinating, expect scores in the evening or at night (U.S. time), approximately around 0230 GMT. When I am scorinating, expect scores in the mornings (U.S. time), or approximately around 1330 GMT.

As I'm doing the scorinating for the pre-qualifiers, that means that the friendlies will be posted tonight! Around 0230GMT, but no latter than 0400GMT (unless I get stuck at me own footy math).

Yo I found a few errors in that post

Group 6
Hryvinia (
Jeru FC (40)
Kosovoe (90)
Casari (6)
Alversia (
West Starblaydia (31)

...

Missing two rankings, which are in the scores thread correctly.

Actually, that is an error itself; there were three missing ranks.

*snippety*

*snappety*

*boo*

Whoa. Chill. It might be 40+ degrees but chill. Portugal won the match, regardless of whose referees liked whom better. If you want to debate stuff about referees or matches, go to the referee thread or NS General. Even if you're just playing, keep it clean; we'd like to keep our heads on our shoulders.

So I'm assuming top 2 go through.

You're absolutely correct! The wonders of reading... Also, I did make an announcement on IRC (surprise!) that the top two seeds would progress; but I suppose I should have posted it again.

And a quick note from my other nation:

The Holy Empire Football Association hereby officially withdraws its challenge for a mid-season friendly against Milchama as the two nations have been drawn in the same qualification group.

And while I happily admit the inspiration, Mil shouldn't assume that my blancmanges are identical to the blancmanges who tried to win Wimbledon by turning their opposition into Scotsmen.

Okay... so no more friendly then.

On that note, for the friendlies to be posted tonight, I've got the following scheduled:

(home side listed first; if neutral, a neutral venue will be posted after the listing; only pre-qualifier matches are listed)

Dancougar --- Newmanistan
Qazox --- Daehanjeiguk (@ Ad'ihan)
Newmanistan --- Arroza
Valanora --- Ad'ihan
Taeshan --- Vonks
Vonks --- Jeru FC
Septentrionia --- Kelssek
Yafor 2 --- Zwangzug (@ The Macabees)
Sorthern Northland --- TheHURD

The Second Although Slightly Pointless AND Tournament
MD1093:
C&M --- N&N (Kaleta Online Dome, Caires, Candelaria)
K&TT --- Y&B2 (Hilltop Stadium, Clotaire, Candelaria)
MD3901:
C&M --- Y&B2 (McNeil Bingo Arena, Caires, Candelaria)
K&TT --- N&N (Harper Street Stadium, Clotaire, Candelaria)
MD9310:
C&M --- K&TT (Hilltop Stadium, Clotaire, Candelaria)
N&N --- Y&B2 (Kaleta Online Dome, Caires, Candelaria)

If anything is not correct, you must let me know by 0000GMT, so I can have time to correct it!

(home side listed first; if neutral, a neutral venue will be posted after the listing; only pre-qualifier matches are listed)

Yafor 2 --- Zwangzug

Our match is supposed to at a neutral venue (The Macabees), but I probably didn't make that clear in my e-mail. Anyway, it's in The Macabees. :)

Turkish whigne.
Fixed

Qazox wholeheartedly endorses SPAIN as the winner of Euro08. Why not? if the dang Greeks and the Danes can win one, why not the Spanish?

Scratch what I said earlier, about Qazox. I'm the SPAIN of the NSWC.
Russia'll clean the pitch with'em.

My team is Russia, but I think France will defeat Czech Republic in the Final.

Netherlands 3-0 Italy made my freakin day. We got off earl from school due to the heat and then this? :D

I was rooting for France, but as it remained a draw, I wanted it to stay a draw.

I can't wait for France to rape Italy! :D

I was rooting for France, but as it remained a draw, I wanted it to stay a draw.


French football: Boring football at its boringess...

French football: Boring football at its boringess...

I've never tried French football. Is it different than British football, or is it more like American football? Or even Chinese football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuju)?

Question: When is the next World Cup? I may join....

Question: When is the next World Cup? I may join....

It will be some time... the 41st edition just began...

I've never tried French football. Is it different than British football, or is it more like American football? Or even Chinese football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuju)?

It's much different to Aussie Football.

It will be some time... the 41st edition just began...

So, I can’t join now because it will screw up the schedule…….

So, I can’t join now because it will screw up the schedule…….

in a word, yes.

it'll be something like 6 weeks until the next edition, maybe...

My team is Russia

If we're going from ancestry, I'll be firmly backing Germany (even if the bit of Germany the bloke who came here came from - then married a second wife illegitimately and changed his surname from Plecnik to Jackson - is now part of Poland), who wear the colours of the ancestral homeland, what what.

And now onto something completely different... I should get back to doing some work.

In answer to Vephrall: we intend to rotate every three to four matchdays, making swaps after MD2, mid-qualifying friendlies, and MD8. (Dae will do pre-qualifying to MD2; I will do MD3 to mid-qualifying; Dae will do MD6 to 8 and I will do MD9 to post-qualifying.) We will try to make the transitions as smooth as possible.

To everyone else wondering when the hosts (or me, since I started the threads) will link to teams' respective rosters in the first post of the RP and scores threads, the answer is this weekend, when I have the time. Alternatively, some kind soul can offer to do it and email us (nswc.hosts@gmail.com) or TG me the formatting for me to cnp in. You'll be credited, of course. :p

Also of note: requests for mid-qualifying friendlies can now be emailed to the same email address. Make sure that they're confirmed, please, as we won't be chasing after both sides to make sure.

Apologies for not answering Vephrall's question - I thought that I had gotten them all... That said, we will make it explicitly known who and when the scores will be posted so there can be as little confusion as possible, concerning the placement of scores. As for the World Cup Finals, we'll see how we can manage the scores for the various groups. Unfortunately, the way matches are being done, it's like England and Korea co-hosting the World Cup (time differences, that is...).

Also, sorry for scoring the wrong friendly; I'm certain that Newmanistan and/or KaMaRi will have an amusing explanation for what happened.

And one final remark: I said that players have 24 hours to RP - that is blatantly WRONG. The schedule says Thursday, and me wee brain can't handle that today is Tuesday. So... that resolved, you've got a little under 36 hours to get your RPs, and we want them all nice good so we can feed the children! THINK OF THE STARVING CHILDREN!

Also, try to email the rosters if you're going to do it (but do it before Ad'ihan/Daehan do it!), that way the person scoring (i.e. me) can give your credit. Otherwise, I'll have to rely on Ad'ihan/LE/Liventia telling me that so-and-so did the rosters, post facto. Grazie!

And as I've done so, nobody else need bother. :p

Good enough for me. Thanks for the clarification. :)

Fixed


Russia'll clean the pitch with'em.



Spain won 4-1 over the old commies.
You all though i was crazy taking the Spainards, but who's crazy now?
<runs through NS buck nekkid with sock over strategic parts>

disclaimer: this post is made 100% in jest.


NEWMANISTAN...you better hope we don't meet in the Cup, the WBC, the WCofH, the World Bowl (oh wait we did and beat you), the OXEN Cup or the TOUR de QAZOX, or else you will lose very badly!

I think the Greeks were looking at too many Swedish girls in the crowd during their game against Sweden. :p

Using that logic, Jeruselem, Italy was too busy trading vino for marijuana!

*curses self for typo when deleting a post*

Group 15
Bostopia 3-1 Capitalizt SLANI

The biggest spammers in this thread are Qazox, Dae, me and then Sel.

:p

Its nice to see this world cup based stuff, here in the US it's all about gridiron football or basketball and everyone seems to ignore soccer :headbang:

just an FYI. i think burnout has hit me for this cup as i don't appear to have the urge to keep up with my usual daily postings. i'm sure i'll post something here and there and maybe be recharged for WC42. maybe i need yet another new puppet...

er...i mean Tynelia shall be performing its second test of the Non-RP bonus to see if it works as well as the first time (fewest posts (by me) for any WC i think and i got to the semis for my only time ever as the #22ish seed)

Jariss will of course blackout all things media in outrage over their inability to be at -5 this cup and be forced to be so 'ridiculously offensive minded" at -1 instead. its to protect the children after all <nods>

having said that i must now go do my RP for today's match. ;)

One of the names we got for him, was their starter back in World Cup 32 (OOC: I'm assuming their history goes back this far)

Sqornshelous? Yeah, just a bit...

Since I'm going to be making a routine (well, not really...) stop by ye ole ABC shop, RP cutoff is going to be extended by 2 hours!!!

And someone told me that the forums were down sometime 20 hours ago... considering that it's up now, I'll say that the extra two hours will accommodate that glitch.

SUCCESS!

http://www.sportsglitter.com/gif/borat_success.gif

I was going have a quiet RP for MD1 but SN stirred me up quite well :p

"Jimmy Sheridan is the Jedi president of the communist party, and he's allergic to nuts in Jeruselem salads? Why would he go all the way to Jeruselem for a salad?"

What? He's allergic to nuts now? First Bos reveals he's gay and now he's allergic to nuts. :(

Bwahahaha, I found a can, and all of the worms came out!

What? He's allergic to nuts now? First Bos reveals he's gay and now he's allergic to nuts. :(

Read ya TGs :)

PS I'm not really Jewish either ... but I behave much like RL Israel in NS

Corrected MD2 tables are now available (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13765580&postcount=6).

Another thing — misspelled nation names will be fixed on MD3 (in about 24 hours' time). These include nations with a missing "The", as well as Candelaria And Marquez, The Pazhujeb Islands, and the Free Krytenian Rebels.

My apologies to all for "screwing up" the MD2 scores. I had some confusion governing the nature of the "resume" file, and hence we've had a lot of errors in the groups (teams playing 3 matches, other playing 1 match, some having wins instead of losses); luckily, we've got backup plans (letting LE score the rest of the matches :D) that helped save us (i.e. me) from total humiliation.

However, with things settled, errors should dissipate over time. Unfortunately, I can't really blame altitude sickness for this stuff. And as LE gets his stuff for MD3 ready (which should be in about 12 hours!!!!), we'll back to business as normal.

And if you're wondering, what you've just witnessed can be best summarized in some old adage - "with experience comes mistakes" (like me excising my toe blisters the day before going out to play footy...).

Nonetheless, thank you for your patience in waiting to deal with my incompetence. If I were a bacteria some agar plate with kanamycin, and I'm trying to take up some vector with resistance, I'd probably die trying to slurp the thing (oops...too much job-related information...).

...something, SORRY ABOUT THE SCREW UP, something, something, Bacteria, something...

You only get 1. This is your 1.

Speaking of WCDT spam:

# of Qazox's posts to old WCDT thread: 485 (2nd to Jeruselem's 500+)
Current # of Qazox's posts on NWCDT: 453 (by far the most)
Total # of posts on BOTH: 938... the winner and still CHAMPION of WCDT SPAM: QAZOX!

Estimated date of combined 1000th WCDT post: July 4th.
(ooc: yes I am this bored waiting for the MD3 scores to come up.)

Speaking of WCDT spam:

# of Qazox's posts to old WCDT thread: 485 (2nd to Jeruselem's 500+)
Current # of Qazox's posts on NWCDT: 453 (by far the most)
Total # of posts on BOTH: 938... the winner and still CHAMPION of WCDT SPAM: QAZOX!

Estimated date of combined 1000th WCDT post: July 4th.
(ooc: yes I am this bored waiting for the MD3 scores to come up.)

Did you miss the notice? I'm doing MD3 scores. They won't be for another 10-12 hours.

Did you miss the notice? I'm doing MD3 scores. They won't be for another 10-12 hours.

I know you are, just used to having them up around this time of night (or earlier).

Dae, the lab tech? Scary! :p

Don't worry about it Arch, I noticed that you said they forfeited after I posted so the details stay, but I also say you actually forfeited the match and they were all made up.

It makes sense, trust me.

Don't worry about it Arch, I noticed that you said they forfeited after I posted so the details stay, but I also say you actually forfeited the match and they were all made up.

It makes sense, trust me.

Yes, sorry - I noticed myself afterwards that you'd mentioned the forfeit, so I was a little too quick to whinge. Bad day; sorry. I've deleted said whinge in the RP thread.

Dae, the lab tech? Scary! :p

you know what's scarier? I'm the guy who does the radiation swipe tests :D

you know what's scarier? I'm the guy who does the radiation swipe tests :D

Now we know who to blame if and mutants escape from Dae's lab. :p

It is really hard to RP with the Euros on TV

I'm RPing whilst watching Le Mans on stream.

I feel a strange compulsion to explain the background to the Archregimancy's RPs this cup, as - cumulatively - they're probably going to turn into the most intellectual set of RPs I've ever done, and otherwise people might think they look slightly perfunctory. I stress that I'm not expecting any sort of reward or pat on the back by explaining this; I just thought some people might be interested.

The RPs are based on the 2007 Penguin Classics edition of the Sayings of the Desert Fathers, translated and compiled by [Anglican] Sister Benedicta Ward (who by sheer coincidence ran a course I took at Oxford some 20 years ago).

While re-reading these recently, I noticed that several of the shorter sayings read like the sort of cliches that a football player might come up with in a post-match interview, even if those sayings were very different in content. It then occurred to me that many of the longer sayings that are parable-like in nature could potentially be turned into footballing parables if edited appropriately.

So I first sift through the Sayings to find content potentially appropriate to the match (or build-up) that's taken place, and then spend some time adjusting and editing them to the specific event I'm writing about. I've recently tried experimenting with writing original ones in the same style, but I don't think these work as well, so I'll probably keep leaning on the Ward edition through the World Cup and - which is looking likely on current form - the Cup of Harmony.

If nothing else, it makes for a different approach to RP, and one that's entirely appropriate in feel and content to the Archregimancy.

Euro 2008 ... the Greek Tragedy! :p

Yay for the death of Greek anti-football.

Long live the Dutch and Turks.

Yay for the death of Greek anti-football.

Long live the Dutch and Turks.

Thank you, *Takes a bow* now for the Turks to finish off the Czech's.

The RPs are based on the 2007 Penguin Classics edition of the Sayings of the Desert Fathers, translated and compiled by [Anglican] Sister Benedicta Ward (who by sheer coincidence ran a course I took at Oxford some 20 years ago).

Is that a coincidence? :D And that's not a Penguin Classic that I've noticed in Waterstones. Hm.

Can I put in a vote for being Most Jinxed Team this WC? I've lost to a team 100 places below and now at home to an unranked team that had let in 11 in 3 games that have not even posted rosters.

Is that a coincidence? :D And that's not a Penguin Classic that I've noticed in Waterstones. Hm.

Can I put in a vote for being Most Jinxed Team this WC? I've lost to a team 100 places below and now at home to an unranked team that had let in 11 in 3 games that have not even posted rosters.

It's a coincidence in so far as that when I intentionally went looking for a copy of the Sayings of the Desert Fathers (and not to give me a source of Archregimancy RPs), I had no idea that every edition in Blackwells -whether Penguin Classics or more academic - would be by Sister Benedicta, someone whom I haven't even seen since 1989.

But you can find a copy of the Penguin Classics edition here. (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Desert-Fathers-Sayings-Christian-Classics/dp/0140447318/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b)

As to you being the unluckiest team this Cup, up until today I would have put in a vote for the Holy Empire, who had one point after playing two teams I've never even heard of, but the blancmanges finally came good today. So yes, you are the most jinxed :p. Especially since even the Archregimancy are having a decent spell.

It probably won't last, but it's fun for the moment. I quite like the idea of randomly selecting a couple of teams without telling them and using the RP bonus as a penalty, just to get more and more incandescent RPs.

Talking of Classics, there was meant to be a new translation of Thucydides coming out for Oxford World's Classics done by my former tutor but that seems to have gone AWOL. Shame, as the Penguin version is dreadfully old-fashioned and more of a paraphrase.

Anyone catch the end of the Czech Republic-Turkey match? That was the worst 15 minutes of play I've ever seen (on the case of the Czechs). U---G---L---Y.

Yeah, the Czechs looked pretty bad at the end, but Turkey were spectacular. They earned that.

Whoops! If I'd realised Kereca was active, I probably wouldn't have had the blancmanges eat his entire squad.

Nice save by Kereca himself, though, and it's worth reminding people that no one actually dies in the Dreamed Realm unless they want to.

Kereca's replacement squad of homeless people should be assumed to be safe, and on their way home via a portal; I'll address this in the next Holy Empire RP.

Whoops! If I'd realised Kereca was active, I probably wouldn't have had the blancmanges eat his entire squad.

Nice save by Kereca himself, though, and it's worth reminding people that no one actually dies in the Dreamed Realm unless they want to.

Kereca's replacement squad of homeless people should be assumed to be safe, and on their way home via a portal; I'll address this in the next Holy Empire RP.

Seem to have food theme this cup ... with the nut wars going on.

Seem to have food theme this cup ... with the nut wars going on.

What about an a nutty Y&B2 Inquisition aka Civil War?

Anyone catch the end of the Czech Republic-Turkey match? That was the worst 15 minutes of play I've ever seen (on the case of the Czechs). U---G---L---Y.Yeah, like, some people in the IRC room who care about football.

This naturally excludes me.

However, Tuncay had achieved some amount of infamy there prior to the match, and by the end was essentially a cult hero.

Yeah, like, some people in the IRC room who care about football.

This naturally excludes me.

However, Tuncay had achieved some amount of infamy there prior to the match, and by the end was essentially a cult hero.

What? Who considers him a cult hero?

Tuncay fails. :P

However, Tuncay had achieved some amount of infamy there prior to the match, and by the end was essentially a cult hero.

Well, he was a useless, diving, non-scoring complete failure before the match, and by the end of it he was a useless, diving, non-scoring complete failure and was also playing in goal on the winning team.

Football followers are fickle indeed.

Well to be honest who needs Volkan when you have Tuncay, but seriously that owned for us but another bonus for me is that everyone at my school except for me was wrong about the result.

What about an a nutty Y&B2 Inquisition aka Civil War?

I'm not sure anyone understands this. Hell, I came up with half of it and I don't understand it. :p

Well to be honest who needs Volkan when you have Tuncay, but seriously that owned for us but another bonus for me is that everyone at my school except for me was wrong about the result.

REF WAS TURKISH CYPRIOT!

anybody know any good science fair topics/idea

Also did any of you here about the US game yesterday 8-0 over Barbados.

Whoops! If I'd realised Kereca was active, I probably wouldn't have had the blancmanges eat his entire squad.

Nice save by Kereca himself, though, and it's worth reminding people that no one actually dies in the Dreamed Realm unless they want to.

Kereca's replacement squad of homeless people should be assumed to be safe, and on their way home via a portal; I'll address this in the next Holy Empire RP.

Ha - my apologies if I ruined your RP at all, I just wasn't letting my entire squad be killed off without a fight. At any rate, I'm quite interested in what happens next...

anybody know any good science fair topics/idea

Also did any of you here about the US game yesterday 8-0 over Barbados.

Yes, saw it, US should have won at least by the score of 11-0.

FYI - the friendlies that we have currently confirmed are as follows:

Dancougar --- Prux
Qazox --- Ad'ihan (@ Emperor Gojong Football Stadium in Daehanjeiguk)
Vonks --- The Holy Empire
Daehanjeiguk --- Taeshan (@ Ad'ihan)
Sorthern Northland --- Kose and The Turkomans

Home team listed first, unless neutral venue specified.

A reminder that all friendlies should be emailed to nswc.hosts@gmail.com for consideration. Ad'ihan will be scoring the events at his usual time.

This hasn't been something I've noticed since the World Cup was in the high twenties, and I'm not sure if we've had a in-depth debate about it since....

While we've had a commendable number of RP-enriching upsets for the second and third seeds in each group (Wentland might think we've had too many), are the first seeds having it too easy again? I can't see a single group (in a quick scan) where a first seed is out of the first two places at the halfway stage.

Now, we don't want a situation of total anarchy. First seeds should, for the most part, do much better than the other seeds; but there should at least be the possibility that the occasional first seed doesn't qualify. It's happened to me at least twice in since World Cup 24 (29, and I forget the other), and even accepting that I was unlucky, it has to happen to someone occasionally. If the overwhelming majority of serious upsets only impact second and third seeds, then this only increases the statisical distance between the first seeds and other teams.

In the late 20s, we reached a situation where the rankings for the upper echelons seemed to be in danger of becoming fossilised. We then went through a period where a combination of multiple dropouts and unusually fluid scorinators shuffled the pack slightly. Are we perhaps becoming slightly ossified again?

Let me make two things clear.

First of all, I am in no way criticising the WC41 hosts, whom I think have been doing an excellent job. They can only give us the results their scorinator provides.

Secondly, I realise that this is a discussion we've had in this thread (and its predecessor) before, but the last couple of WCs have led me to raise it again to see whether anyone else has any thoughts about this.

It may also be that raising this halfway through a qualifying campaign is poor timing. Perhaps the 'struggling' first seeds Az-cz, Casari and Jeruselem might struggle even more in the second half of qualification; it's always worth taking a long view.

Still, I thought I'd raise this now to see what other people might think. I particularly value the opinions of those other nations (or players) who were around before WC30 to see whether they have any thoughts on the issue.

And it could well be that this isn't a problem. But if it isn't, I'd like to see people argue why. Preferably politely.

Not really looked, I do think though that there ought to be one top seed failing to qualify for the finals quite regularly. Keeps it in line with reality.

it wouldn't be at this moment Jerusalem who fail to qualify in my group it would be Sorthern Northland, a second par team who is just falling to third par behind me who seems to finaly have hit opun a chance to qualify. So shut upo Arch i9m actually winning shut up i say

I don't really know - I seem to be doing fine. ;)

This hasn't been something I've noticed since the World Cup was in the high twenties, and I'm not sure if we've had a in-depth debate about it since....

While we've had a commendable number of RP-enriching upsets for the second and third seeds in each group (Wentland might think we've had too many), are the first seeds having it too easy again? I can't see a single group (in a quick scan) where a first seed is out of the first two places at the halfway stage.

Now, we don't want a situation of total anarchy. First seeds should, for the most part, do much better than the other seeds; but there should at least be the possibility that the occasional first seed doesn't qualify. It's happened to me at least twice in since World Cup 24 (29, and I forget the other), and even accepting that I was unlucky, it has to happen to someone occasionally. If the overwhelming majority of serious upsets only impact second and third seeds, then this only increases the statisical distance between the first seeds and other teams.

In the late 20s, we reached a situation where the rankings for the upper echelons seemed to be in danger of becoming fossilised. We then went through a period where a combination of multiple dropouts and unusually fluid scorinators shuffled the pack slightly. Are we perhaps becoming slightly ossified again?

Let me make two things clear.

First of all, I am in no way criticising the WC41 hosts, whom I think have been doing an excellent job. They can only give us the results their scorinator provides.

Secondly, I realise that this is a discussion we've had in this thread (and its predecessor) before, but the last couple of WCs have led me to raise it again to see whether anyone else has any thoughts about this.

It may also be that raising this halfway through a qualifying campaign is poor timing. Perhaps the 'struggling' first seeds Az-cz, Casari and Jeruselem might struggle even more in the second half of qualification; it's always worth taking a long view.

Still, I thought I'd raise this now to see what other people might think. I particularly value the opinions of those other nations (or players) who were around before WC30 to see whether they have any thoughts on the issue.

And it could well be that this isn't a problem. But if it isn't, I'd like to see people argue why. Preferably politely.

Okey dokey.... Starting back from World Cup 15* we know that there have been upsets left right and centre in both Qualifying and the Cup itself (Crystilakere, anyone?). I'd like to think that I shot up the rankings fairly fast through to RPing and a fair amount of luck, and had won the WC for the first time precisely 10 Cups after starting out (in WC25 and then again WC28).

By World Cup 30, the only teams the bookmakers would take bets on winning the Cup was Starblaydia, Bedistan and Liverpool England, as our top three dominated the top three finishing positions for quite a few cups in a row (broken just once in WC29, but reinstated in WC30). Below this unholy trinity if ours, the ranks shifted around quite easily, to my knowledge, but we kept on getting to the last four of the WC almost without fail. This, evidently, was a little more than luc - BUT consistent high-rank, high-RP and positive luck (in a good way for us) kept putting us on top.

Then Ariddia and Bettia exchanged the title for a long while, then Az-cz won back-to-back Cups, and now we're still trying to figure out quite who is the best in the world is it SLANI, ESF or Az-cz, or Milchama or Squorn? The fate of the title itself may just be coming down to whims of knock-out randomness, but te simple fact remains that when we can't rely on a few drop-outs for rank increases, we have to rely on the randomness.

It's the age-old question of the World Cup's Three Rs: Rank, Randomness and RP, and which order they should come in and how strongly. That is the decision of prospective hosts, and the good people of the NSWCC who actually bother to read their hosting bids and hopefully make their decisions based on that, rather than people's names.

Returning to the question, is there a problem? I dunno. Ask again in WC44/45, and if the top ten still has ESF, SLANI, Az-cz, Milchama and Squorn up there then we probably do have a need for more randomness + RP, with less Rank.

If they're not there... then probably not. I think it's a little early to tell, anway.


* I think - and may be incorrect - that only The Reg, Veph, SLANI, Ad'ihan and Krytenia, current active user-wise, started previous to myself. Throw Dennisov and Squorn in there too, I think, but they don't post much round here no more.

* I think - and may be incorrect - that only The Reg, Veph, SLANI, Ad'ihan and Krytenia, current active user-wise, started previous to myself. Throw Dennisov and Squorn in there too, I think, but they don't post much round here no more.

Your last sentence is correct - Squorn's been around just as long as me, also starting in 5. And Dennisov won WC4, trumping both of us (though of course there was a rather long hiatus in the middle, heh).

I don't imagine that I could hurt the discussion, but I think things are going well. First seeds typically are difficult to beat (unless you're Germany going against Croatia); and I think that the present rank holders have been particularly active in NSWC. And with one notable exception (unmentioned), most of those who have been active RPers have been rising in rank, while those who don't RP typically have been falling.

If the first seeds are still UCS, ESF, et al., in three cups, and they've been RPing actively as they have been doing so, I would respect that. I think the time that we need to change the existing system is when non-RPing first seeds continue to win the WC ad infinitum, or conversely when non-RPing n00bs start winning the WC. Otherwise, randomness will sort out the weeds. (cookies to the first person who correctly identifies the pun :D)

Also, to remind people - scores will NOT be done tonight (unless you really want me to give out scores just 12 hours after Ad'ihan did...).

This hasn't been something I've noticed since the World Cup was in the high twenties, and I'm not sure if we've had a in-depth debate about it since....

While we've had a commendable number of RP-enriching upsets for the second and third seeds in each group (Wentland might think we've had too many), are the first seeds having it too easy again? I can't see a single group (in a quick scan) where a first seed is out of the first two places at the halfway stage.

Now, we don't want a situation of total anarchy. First seeds should, for the most part, do much better than the other seeds; but there should at least be the possibility that the occasional first seed doesn't qualify. It's happened to me at least twice in since World Cup 24 (29, and I forget the other), and even accepting that I was unlucky, it has to happen to someone occasionally. If the overwhelming majority of serious upsets only impact second and third seeds, then this only increases the statisical distance between the first seeds and other teams.

In the late 20s, we reached a situation where the rankings for the upper echelons seemed to be in danger of becoming fossilised. We then went through a period where a combination of multiple dropouts and unusually fluid scorinators shuffled the pack slightly. Are we perhaps becoming slightly ossified again?

Let me make two things clear.

First of all, I am in no way criticising the WC41 hosts, whom I think have been doing an excellent job. They can only give us the results their scorinator provides.

Secondly, I realise that this is a discussion we've had in this thread (and its predecessor) before, but the last couple of WCs have led me to raise it again to see whether anyone else has any thoughts about this.

It may also be that raising this halfway through a qualifying campaign is poor timing. Perhaps the 'struggling' first seeds Az-cz, Casari and Jeruselem might struggle even more in the second half of qualification; it's always worth taking a long view.

Still, I thought I'd raise this now to see what other people might think. I particularly value the opinions of those other nations (or players) who were around before WC30 to see whether they have any thoughts on the issue.

And it could well be that this isn't a problem. But if it isn't, I'd like to see people argue why. Preferably politely.

As some one who's been sround since WC 27, granted not as long as some of the more esteemed members, but I've been here for more than a third of all World Cups, and I agree with Arch, We're beginning to see the top 10 be almost solidly the same ten teams, give or take a couple team over the past 2 or 3 cups.

BACK THEN, it took me FOREVER to 1- qualify for the dang Cup, and 2- get a high enough rank where I could make up in RP skill with that rank. Now, there's been a lot of dropouts lately and MAYBE after this cup the top ten-to-twelve will shake out a bit. As for Casari, who's now a puppet and Az-cz, they aren't RPing, that's why as for Jeruselem, i think an allergic reaction to nuts maybe the problem there ;).

For now, I don't see an ossifying of the top teams based on the recent dropouts and drop in higher ranked teams RPing. But if this Cup shakes out they way I think it will, then we could be looking at a problem.

Overall verdict: It's not yet a problem, but it might be after this Cup, if the current trend continues of the same Quarterfinalists, etc.

(JOKING ooc: the easiest way to solve this potential problem is just to let QAZOX win the World Cup and restart the whole she-bang.)

I'd like to offer a suggestion/proposal: A team that does not submit a roster sees their KPB points cut in half for that tournament. It will be reinstated at any time of their submitting one during the tournament, and reinstated after the tournament regardless of if they actually submit one. But during the tournament, if they do not submit one, then it is cut in half during the scorinations.

We got three top 10 teams right now without a roster submitted, but they can ride their points as normal. That irks me a little bit.

Jeruselem have no intention of being the next Les Bleus of Euro 2008 :p

The problem with removing points is that it unnecessarily punishes people who have the opportunity to make a change before it is even done.

The present mode of assigning points is actually more just, since it rewards people for making contributions (whereas not assigning points simply punishes them for not making the effort, whatever the excuse). As an alternative, you could reward teams more for making RPing efforts, but taking away points is an unnecessary addition to something already established.

An FYI too:

RP points affect weak (i.e. teams with low KPB points) than strong teams.

Let's assume Team Juju has 50 KPB, and Team Gogo has 10 KPB. Assuming further that each RP is worth 2 points, each roster is worth 1 point, and that RP points are cumulative and are added directly to the KPB rank (for simplicity's sake), you get the following scenario:

Both Juju and Gogo post a roster and post an RP. Juju now has 53 points (+1 for roster, +2 for RP), while Gogo has 13 points (+1 for roster, +2 for RP). Gogo has increased in points by 30% of its original, whereas Juju has only increased by 6%. Granted, 53 is still a lot larger than 13, but the point is that weaker teams have the opportunity to rack up more points than stronger teams more quickly (especially if they're stuck at the computer all day long). Also, if you consider the margin of difference, 13/53 is actually slightly larger (.245) than 10/50 (.200); so in theory, the weaker team is relatively stronger now than it was before. Add in randomness, and you've got the rest of the story. Imagining the same scenario, except Juju does nothing, you've got Gogo with 13 points and Juju with 50 points; still a large difference, but the points will add up (eventually).

Of course, it's no consolation now, but there is a method to the madness. The madness - of course - means waiting to bang up your points (which lose value over time, because of maximum RP points theory) until you have enough points to even consider challenging the 1st seeds (the last day of qualifying has often been a day of some pivotal upsets in my recollection, most of them oddly involving The Archregimancy). Proof as well - Sel Appa (then #3 seed) failed to qualify for the World Cup, along with a long list of other notable up-and-rising stars that joined an even longer list at WC40. It does take some time to break the system.

And if means anything, my second attempt at qualifying ran into a big red brick wall (of course, when we were qualifying, we had 14 matches instead of 10, which is the biggest bummer...)

As some one who's been sround since WC 27, granted not as long as some of the more esteemed members, but I've been here for more than a third of all World Cups, and I agree with Arch, We're beginning to see the top 10 be almost solidly the same ten teams, give or take a couple team over the past 2 or 3 cups.
I've been RPing since about 25 and haven't been in the top ten at all yet. :)

In my International Basketball Championships (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13777261&postcount=41) tourney, my guys are about to start taking steroids-a great RP angle, I think. However, I am wondering-does the World Cup have any type of drug policy, or has nobody thought about this before?

Also, to remind people - scores will NOT be done tonight (unless you really want me to give out scores just 12 hours after Ad'ihan did...).

Why not? It can't possibly be any worse than the last beatdown I caught.

In my International Basketball Championships (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13777261&postcount=41) tourney, my guys are about to start taking steroids-a great RP angle, I think. However, I am wondering-does the World Cup have any type of drug policy, or has nobody thought about this before?

Not to my knowledge. Though individual nations may ban certain substances in their nation, we've had nations of stoners before (Spruitland, anyone remember, with their 'marijuana sprouts' Spruits? Or, for those with brilliant memories and attention to detail, the Genetically Modified 'Dead-Eyed Peas' that Nova Britannicus used after raiding Spruitland laboratories in order to improve their shooting accuracy?) so there'd probably be no problems with it.

If we can play alongside man-eating evisceramatoes, man-eating blancmanges, roboducks (man-eating optional), an egg and all sorts of other weird and wacky things, people on performance-enhancing drugs shouldn't pose too much of a problem.

OK, thanks.

If we can play alongside man-eating evisceramatoes, man-eating blancmanges, roboducks (man-eating optional), an egg and all sorts of other weird and wacky things, people on performance-enhancing drugs shouldn't pose too much of a problem.

Along those lines, does anyone know if Milchama's goalkeeper is organic or strung out on pesticides?

Just a quick follow-up note on my post from yesterday.

I'm grateful to everyone (well, almost everyone, but we'll ignore the exception) for replying in the same polite spirit.

I should note, however, that I didn't mean to give the impression - as was perhaps misunderstood in a couple of cases - that I was in any way advocating a change of ranking system. Nor did I want to get into the perennial issue of the impact of RPs.

However, Qaz did address my implicit but unspokend point that it's not the top two or three that I'm worried about so much as the top 10. How much motion are we seeing here?

Anyway, all I really had in mind was that, if things do get too fossilised, that maybe we look at trying another scorinator every now and then. NSFS is fine as these things go, but we used to have a far more fluid scorination system in place, where the scorinator would often change from cup to cup. We've perhaps been getting a bit lazy here recently. When was the last cup that didn't use NSFS? The one I (as AIF) co-hosted with Ariddia? It may be that, if we do ever decide that things need a little bit of shake up, this is the only change necessary - a couple of cups worth of playing with different scorination systems. I stress I'm not looking for anarchic scorination with no respect for rank, merely some scope for tweaking at the edges.

As many of you will remember, I was also recently concerned about the statistical boost that style modifiers were giving to those high-ranked teams sensible enough to use +5 to their advantage, but Dae and Adi have addressed this this time around, so as long as we continue to restrict this (or perhaps apply it through a different mechanism through a different scorinator), this isn't a central concern right now.

I've been RPing since about 25 and haven't been in the top ten at all yet. :)


Whippersnapper.

Some nations have been involved since WC1* without ever breaking the top 10.


*long breaks between WCs 7 and 25, exclusive, notwithstanding.

When was the last cup that didn't use NSFS?WC39, which used the Schiavone scorinator also used in 36.

Further to Starblaydia's note, though I understand the irrelevance, I think KP dates from the single digits (although is rather inactive of late).

WC39, which used the Schiavone scorinator also used in 36.


Ah. More recently than I thought, then. My mistake. I think the basic point still holds, though.

I should note, however, that I didn't mean to give the impression - as was perhaps misunderstood in a couple of cases - that I was in any way advocating a change of ranking system. Nor did I want to get into the perennial issue of the impact of RPs.

However, Qaz did address my implicit but unspoken point that it's not the top two or three that I'm worried about so much as the top 10. How much motion are we seeing here

I referenced the top three-five because they're the most interesting. Milch has sneaked into the top ten... somehow. Casari (Bostopia) will surely slide back down with the miniscule amounts of RP and some decent karma, which is a good 20% sorted already!

Err, nice picture for the cut there Han ...

Arch, what are you going to use next World Cup.. FLAN? (i actually broke down an looked on Wikipedia to see what a Blancmange was. It looks like FLAN, with out the caramel on top, at least to me.)

Err, nice picture for the cut there Han ...

We prefer live chicken sacrifices to the rubber variety.

Arch, what are you going to use next World Cup.. FLAN? (i actually broke down an looked on Wikipedia to see what a Blancmange was. It looks like FLAN, with out the caramel on top, at least to me.)

And here I was, imaging something on the lines of this...

http://www.jaurique-zilliox.com/images/ghosty1.jpg

Just a question Dan, in regards to RP's between MD5 and MD6 and this is mainly so I know for following WC qualifiers as there is the mid qualifying freindlies I noticed that there was an RP cutoff, now does that mean all RP's between the cutoff for MD5 and the friendlies cutoff aren't counted even if those nations didn't partcipate in a friendly match? Does this change from host to host?

Just a question Dan, in regards to RP's between MD5 and MD6 and this is mainly so I know for following WC qualifiers as there is the mid qualifying freindlies I noticed that there was an RP cutoff, now does that mean all RP's between the cutoff for MD5 and the friendlies cutoff aren't counted even if those nations didn't partcipate in a friendly match? Does this change from host to host?

MD5 cutoff = RPs between MD4 and MD5 count the most for MD5; RPs after this will not count for MD5.

Mid-qualifier cutoffs = RPs between MD5 and MQ count the most for MQ; RPs after this will not count for mid-qualifying friendlies.

MD6 cutoff = RPs between MQ and MD6 count the most for MD6; RPs after this will not count for MD6.

As we're using a cumulative RP system, all RPs prior to MDx will count for MDx, just to different degrees. Teams that RPed between MD5 and MQ but did not have a friendly still saw their RPs count for MD6. Hell, if they RPed on MD1, it would still count for MD6, just much less. There will never be a situation where RPs are posted which in the course of a cup do not count.

We prefer live chicken sacrifices to the rubber variety.

I know, I'm actually Asian ... chickens and Asians with chopping knives make an mess.

MD5 cutoff = RPs between MD4 and MD5 count the most for MD5; RPs after this will not count for MD5.

Mid-qualifier cutoffs = RPs between MD5 and MQ count the most for MQ; RPs after this will not count for mid-qualifying friendlies.

MD6 cutoff = RPs between MQ and MD6 count the most for MD6; RPs after this will not count for MD6.

As we're using a cumulative RP system, all RPs prior to MDx will count for MDx, just to different degrees. Teams that RPed between MD5 and MQ but did not have a friendly still saw their RPs count for MD6. Hell, if they RPed on MD1, it would still count for MD6, just much less. There will never be a situation where RPs are posted which in the course of a cup do not count.

Are cumulative OK fair enough thanks Adihan, I still have a lot to learn about how all this works it seems.

And an apology to Daehanjeiguk I called you Dan when I should have called you either Dae or Han.

Are cumulative OK fair enough thanks Adihan, I still have a lot to learn about how all this works it seems.

And an apology to Daehanjeiguk I called you Dan when I should have called you either Dae or Han.

Ahh, you can all Jei whatever you want, ie: Dae, Han, Hei or guk, or any combinnation of the four like: Daejei or HanGuk or Jeuguk... the possibilites are almost not-endless! (LOL J/K dae..)

Ahh, you can all Jei whatever you want, ie: Dae, Han, Hei or guk, or any combinnation of the four like: Daejei or HanGuk or Jeuguk... the possibilites are almost not-endless! (LOL J/K dae..)

ns.net/Daehanguk (http://www.nationstates.net/Daehanguk): no relation, Han? :D

Might not be, since that's the Korean name for Korea.

referring to Arch's point. i don't think we've hit the days of the (un) Holy Trinity of LE/Star/Bedistan as far as pure dominace goes but the top dozen or so seem to be reordering among themselves somewhat of late. then there seems to be lately 1 top ten team that seems to drop out among them each cup (i think Sel mentioned a while back this was his last Cup unless i'm misremembering). Though it usually takes another Cup or two before they drop enough to fall out of the top 10.

i'm somewhat surprised i'm still hanging around the top 10 still, since i only had that one semis appearance three cups back or so and haven't gotten past the first stage of the knockouts since. of course i just bounce around between 7th and 9th since then. But i think that's in part to a lot of lower ranked teams getting into the final eight for various reasons (Margaret showing kindness, two lower ranked teams drawn together) so other top ten teams are also dropping off the pace which somehow ends up with me still there.

i think what may be happening is actually the middle ranks are getting weaker whcih makes the top end easier to maintain. I kept Jariss out of the cup for two cups and came back still in the high 70s rank despite not being in the top 40 beforehand. without a deep group of active teams in the 40-75 range the number of upsets for the top teams diminishes which means its more likely for the top 15ish to maintain their ranks as generally they'll beat the newer teams and without a lot of middle teams knocking them off, the top teams only have to worry about each other which will usually mean the top 2 or 3 seeds (depending on group size) end up finishing in the top 2 or 3 and keep their edge over everyone else all around.

i know (as an example) in my group i was more concerned with the #3 and #4seeds than Star because those are the teams that offer the potential threat of knocking me out while if Star ended up ahead of me i figure i'd still be able to finish second. If one of those two however beat me then all of a sudden that means i MUST beat Star to move on. Low ranked or non RPing 3s and 4s means the top seeds can almost mail in their performances and get in to ensure they can maintain their points/rank.

ok enough rambling, my trains of thought are beginning to derail.

(Disclaimer- i know everyone knows of exceptions to everything i just said which is why i tried to make sure i said "generally", "Usually" and other such "not all/everytime" terms ;) )

Arch, what are you going to use next World Cup.. FLAN? (i actually broke down an looked on Wikipedia to see what a Blancmange was. It looks like FLAN, with out the caramel on top, at least to me.)

I assume we're talking about this account rather than the Archregimancy, and the answer is....

I don't know yet.

And anyway, the blancmanges aren't any stranger than the French philosophers, porn stars, dream simulacra, Welsh ninjas and other assorted oddities that have represented the Empire since its WC25 revival, are they?

That's the reason I keep the Empire going. The Archregimancy has to stay within certain IC parameters for RP, but the Empire can be anything. As a result, I never feel too bored or constrained by the monks because I have another creative outlet.

How does The United States of Ron Paulovia enter into competition? Send our office telegrams of details.

Along those lines, does anyone know if Milchama's goalkeeper is organic or strung out on pesticides?

Decide for yourself. I'm still not sure how we've had as many shutouts as we've had with a banana in net though and pesticides might be a good explanation...

Though we also (I think) have banned pesticides in farming...

So it could go either way.
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Oh and as for the Top 10 thing, I think that there is no reason active members of the top 10 should be punished for being active. For example I've been RPing more or less every Matchday this cup and when I got to the final a couple of cups ago I had a similar amount of RP. Jeruselem is RPing every MD once if not twice and credit needs to be given for that. This RPing is going to victories, that's good, that's what half of the newer teams want anyway (And I'm assuming what Arch wants too). If you have a high rank and you RP you should win (at least most of the time, especially against lower competition).

I haven't been following every group but if you just look at Group 11 only me and AIF are the only teams RPing, with any consistency, and not surprisingly I'm on top (though he isn't in second, which he should be)

Now there are teams that have a high rank that are not RPing this cup (Az-cz comes to mind) and yes they should be punished, (at least somewhat) and if that's not happening then that's probably bad but that is happening as Az is in second with a mere 10 points only 1 point from not qualifying. However non-Rping top ten teams might not be punished but they could be punished in the cup proper (going out in the group stage with 1 point or no points) and lesser ranked teams winning the Cup of Harmony can do wonders to catch the higher up teams. Don't forget that we lowered the point value for qualifying from 5 to 3 and one of Casari's main arguments for the change was that a team that wins the CoH gets about the same amount of points as a team that goes 0 fer in the group stage. That means that a lot of teams are getting similar point values to qualifying by doing well in the CoH and that leads to more change in the rankings.

In summary: We'll be fine and if it turns out that there are a few mainstays in the Top 10 there might be a good reason (i.e. they are RPing.)

ns.net/Daehanguk (http://www.nationstates.net/Daehanguk): no relation, Han? :D

The Official Imperial Reply:

The Republic of Daehanguk is merely a pretender state, not fully aware of the capacities of the Great Han People. For one, we're not what to think of the "Great Han State" - what exactly is it? We are more descriptive in our title, whereas the Daehanguk could have simply gone out and chose more descriptive modifiers like "Daehanminguk" (which is the real name of ROK in Korean transliterated), the Great Han Republic; or "Daehangonghwaguk", the Great Han Republican State; or "Daehaninmingonghwaguk", the Great Han People's Republican State; or even "Daehantaewangguk", the Great Han's Great Kingdom.

In any case, judging by the manner of their country's English transliteration practices, I'd say that they were communist sympathizers who preach the word of the Mujeongbu. Now, if you'll excuse us while we take care of this problem... *goes away to dump a vat of liquid nitrogen over Daehanguk*

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Oh, I've just lost the RP cutoff! Well, at least I can now leave the RP for tomorrow (in approximately 6 hours) without worries... after all, I need to sleep.

The qualifiers ever worry me, I can hardly have an easy qualification (this happened only in WC32 and in WC38/39), and I'm having difficulties again... I hope to not be the first seed that will not qualify.

UHHHHM.. Daehan?

A bit of a problem with a couple of groups:

Pos Team P W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Bettia 7 7 0 0 19 4 15 21
2 Kura-Pelland 7 4 1 2 15 7 8 13
3 Jariss 7 4 1 2 14 10 4 13
4 Vonks 7 3 0 4 11 15 -4 9
5 Dennisov 7 1 1 5 5 16 -11 4
6 Fujisawan Territories 7 0 1 6 4 16 -12 1

BETTIA cannot clinch yet as they are only 8 POINTS ahead of 3rd with 9 points left on the table, even though K-P and Jariss meet on MD8, Bettia cannot TECHNICALLY offically clinch until that match occurs, meaning they cannot clinch until tommorrow.

Pos Team P W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 West Starblaydia 7 7 0 0 21 5 16 21
2 Casari 7 5 1 1 19 4 15 16
3 Jeru FC 7 4 1 2 12 11 1 13
4 Hryvinia 7 2 1 4 6 11 -5 7
5 Alversia 7 1 0 6 4 18 -14 3
6 Kosovoe 7 0 1 6 8 21 -13 1

W. Starblaydia cannot clinch yet as they are only 8 POINTS ahead of 3rd with 9 points left on the table.

Unless you have applied tiebreakers, then in that case

snippets

On second thought, just please ignore my flagrant stupidity. Otherwise, I'll contaminate more people with it.

i think what may be happening is actually the middle ranks are getting weaker whcih makes the top end easier to maintain.

That is in fact one of the main points that's been worrying me, and Tynelia's possibly expressed some of my concerns better than I have.

However, I'll stress again that I want to take a long view, and I simply want to raise awareness so that we can monitor this over time rather than take immediate action. It may not in fact be a problem; I just want us to be aware of the possibility so that we can keep an eye on it.

And I'll also stress again that while I respect Milchama's view, I have no appetite for 'punishing' people who may be inactive. There may be any number of reasons why people might not be able to participate temporarily. If lack of participation is down to sheer disinterest, they'll drop out soon enough.

And I'll also stress again that while I respect Milchama's view, I have no appetite for 'punishing' people who may be inactive. There may be any number of reasons why people might not be able to participate temporarily. If lack of participation is down to sheer disinterest, they'll drop out soon enough.

Precisely. Myself as a case in point, I'm off tomorrow for a week's holiday in Cornwall , and have absolutely no intention of checking these forums - or generally having internet access - while I'm down there.

See you all in one of the Cups when I get back :)

UHHHHM.. Daehan?

A bit of a problem with a couple of groups:

Pos Team P W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Bettia 7 7 0 0 19 4 15 21
2 Kura-Pelland 7 4 1 2 15 7 8 13
3 Jariss 7 4 1 2 14 10 4 13
4 Vonks 7 3 0 4 11 15 -4 9
5 Dennisov 7 1 1 5 5 16 -11 4
6 Fujisawan Territories 7 0 1 6 4 16 -12 1

BETTIA cannot clinch yet as they are only 8 POINTS ahead of 3rd with 9 points left on the table, even though K-P and Jariss meet on MD8, Bettia cannot TECHNICALLY offically clinch until that match occurs, meaning they cannot clinch until tommorrow.


No, Dae was right first time. There is no combination of possible results that wouldn't end up with Bettia in the top two of the group, so they have qualified and do deserve green highlighting. And since Kura-Pelland and Jariss still have to play each other, it's also impossible now for Dennisov to qualify.

West Starblaydia could still technically miss out, though.

Yup, and if that game ends in a draw, Bettia win the group. And the Gogs only need a point to qualify, and could possibly win the group if they win and Cafundeu lose. Happy days!

One very curious thing I've noticed... Green Wombat and Prux always post their RPs pretty close to each other — most days one after the other — within minutes of each other. I find this really peculiar.

MD1: Prux 1855 UTC (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13764118&postcount=122); Green Wombat immediately after at 1902 UTC (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13764138&postcount=123)
MD2: Green Wombat 0740 UTC (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13765331&postcount=157); Prux immediately after at 0745 UTC (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13765339&postcount=158)
MD3: Green Wombat 0333 UTC (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13769799&postcount=207); Prux one post later at 0413 UTC (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13769856&postcount=209)
MD4: Green Wombat 0316 UTC (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13771357&postcount=249); Prux immediately after at 0324 UTC (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13771365&postcount=250)
MD5: Prux 0328 UTC (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13773148&postcount=274); Green Wombat immediately after at 0338 UTC (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13773175&postcount=275)
MD6: Green Wombat 0549 UTC (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13779402&postcount=332); Prux immediately after at 0553 UTC (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13779414&postcount=333)
MD7: Green Wombat 0507 UTC (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13781654&postcount=366); Prux immediately after at 0512 UTC (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13781666&postcount=367)

Last I checked, these two teams were not declared as puppets. As one of the co-hosts, I think that I should at least raise the issue. I'm aware that Green Wombat is related to Qazox, so it's possible that Prux is also related to them, but it's a striking pattern.

One very curious thing I've noticed...

In a totally unofficial (not that I have an official position) sort of comment, there are more things to look at than times. Are the styles of RP similar? Do they use the same sort of formatting? etc etc. I'm not going to look, but I know that Prux has posted uniforms whereas Qazox hasn't, and went to Starblaydia to make him a kit. It could be a "brothers" issue, where one brother posts then logs off, the other coming on to then post. (not as a puppet)

Me and my brother would do that with one chatroom place we visited years ago, I'd come off, he'd come on and vice-versa. Anyway, not my place to get involved, just wanted to throw my two pence in, while leaving the hosts and anyone else in an official capacity something else to ponder before the flying squad is called.

In a totally unofficial (not that I have an official position) sort of comment, there are more things to look at than times. Are the styles of RP similar? Do they use the same sort of formatting? etc etc. I'm not going to look, but I know that Prux has posted uniforms whereas Qazox hasn't, and went to Starblaydia to make him a kit. It could be a "brothers" issue, where one brother posts then logs off, the other coming on to then post. (not as a puppet)

Qazox doesn't come into play here at all; I merely noted that GW is related to Qazox, iirc, and if you'll notice, I haven't ruled the possibility that they may be using a shared computer/connection out. On the flip side, there is also the equal possibility that it's something more complex. So it was better for me to bring it up.

It's weird but I still think they are different people - they seem to have different sense of humour.

You know, Qazox's RPs always include "results from the rest of the Q-continuum" - Green Wombat, Prux and also Taeshan. If they're all secretly the same person they're doing a really, really bad job of disguising it :)

<RL> How the heck do Turkey keep doing that?! </RL>

I officially am not a puppet of anyone else. Im just totally awesome.

It sounds like I'm being interpreted too harshly. (I might have spoken too harshly as well) so let me say this to sound more moderate.

That if you don't RP in a cup your results shouldn't be as good. In my book that's "punishment." It might not mean not qualifying or whatever but not doing as well. If, for example, you are top 10 then that would probably be one of the below 1. not qualifying (unlikely) 2. not getting out of the group stage (somewhat unlikely but could happen depending on draw) 3. getting out in second round (some might call this a success but top 10 probably means quarters = success, though that might also depend on other factors (like my team with a banana in net qualification might considered successful IC)).

How about my parentheses within parentheses everybody?

A good explanation is a look at this WBC. I was the number 1 seed and I RPed once maybe twice and was almost knocked out in the group stage but got to the quarterfinals thanks to another controversy and summarily went 0-4. I deserved that result for not RPing. That's a punishment, it doesn't mean I don't want to participate in future WBCs just for whatever reason I didn't feel like participating in this one.

This can happen with Top 10 teams in the WC as well (Az-cz again comes to mind). And that probably should happen also. If they become active again, then their ranking will improve along with RPing again (as it should). Also because most teams like that qualify then their ranking won't go down that much therefore reclaiming old glory won't be that hard.

In regards to the "multiples accounts under one user" conspiracy, the only way to prove that Green Wombat and Prux are at least using the same computer is to check IP addresses (something that happened earlier in this WC season). Personally, I think that there's some small nuisance differences between the two, but judging on the manner in which all Q-continuum members do their RPs (minus Taeshan, who really belongs in the T-continuum), there's no way to conclude that any of them are the same player (ironic that they have yet to defend themselves...).

If we want a definitive answer, we could ask the mods to check it out (again...). In that regard, nonetheless, neither Green Wombat nor Prux own any puppets (checking the NSWC Signups), and it could be easily remedied by simply listing one of the two countries as a puppet of the other (unless of course, Qazox happens to be the puppetmasters of a lot of puppets... something that I'd doubt at the moment).

No, Dae was right first time. There is no combination of possible results that wouldn't end up with Bettia in the top two of the group, so they have qualified and do deserve green highlighting. And since Kura-Pelland and Jariss still have to play each other, it's also impossible now for Dennisov to qualify.

West Starblaydia could still technically miss out, though.

Vonks, I do know that, BUT since that match HAS NOT YET OCCURED, then offically Bettia HAS NOT clinched a spot yet.
Let me throw a Baseball analogy at you:
It's like TEAM A being 3 games up on 2 teams with 4 games to play and they play each other in the next game, and TEAM A just won it's game to go 3 1/2 up on both teams and you hold the tiebreaker over each. But until the trailing teams begin play, you cannot offically clinch.

1st point.

2nd point.

3rd point.

4th point.

As stated before, Me and GW are brothers, and Prux is.... my 2nd brother's (there are 3 of us.) nation. So that's why the posts are so close in time frame. We all have different accounts, and yes the IP addys probably are teh same. But we are 100% SEPARATE ACCOUNTS, AND NOT PUPPETS OF EACH OTHER. In fact I don't have any idea what they write until after they post. We have 2 computers in our house (amongst 3 people, it gets crowded at times) and GW and Prux share the same comp, but we all have the same internet connection, so it seems like it's a MASTER PUPPETMASTER with 2 undeclared puppets. But the only puppets I've had are Eighthgraderistan and Sativaville, which I can't post with any more.

IF anyone does have a problem, I apologize for the confusion, but it really is 3 different people, with 3 different nations, though 2 of them are similar (Prux and Green Wombat, they are twins, so that might explain the similarities there) in style. Sorry again about the confusion.

Are we seriously arguing over this? (EDIT: not the most recent post, but the one before it about the green coloring. I'm too lazy to quote tonight.)

This has to be the most pointless argument I've ever seen here...but fortunately it's also a tame one, so I think I'll just channel Casari and point and laugh. :p

Yes, our somewhat of a secret has finally been revealed. the Q-continuum, excepting Taeshan and his puppet are all in OUR FAMILY.

We figured 3 different nations would give us a greater chance at winning the NS. World Cup.. :D:headbang::headbang:

Seriously, If it bothers you guys too much, Prux and I will try to separaate our posts out a bit.

Sorry again all for the confusion we've caused.

In regards to the "multiples accounts under one user" conspiracy, the only way to prove that Green Wombat and Prux are at least using the same computer is to check IP addresses (something that happened earlier in this WC season). Personally, I think that there's some small nuisance differences between the two, but judging on the manner in which all Q-continuum members do their RPs (minus Taeshan, who really belongs in the T-continuum), there's no way to conclude that any of them are the same player (ironic that they have yet to defend themselves...).

If we want a definitive answer, we could ask the mods to check it out (again...). In that regard, nonetheless, neither Green Wombat nor Prux own any puppets (checking the NSWC Signups), and it could be easily remedied by simply listing one of the two countries as a puppet of the other (unless of course, Qazox happens to be the puppetmasters of a lot of puppets... something that I'd doubt at the moment).


The T continuum what, im tterly outragede, unless thats a good thing.

Wow there brothers and it would seem im there brother from anmother mother, isnt it kind of weird that youre all still in the house you always seemed a bit older to mee.

I think I'll save my time for the discussion on the three Q brothers, because I've got more important things to do (despite, having spent the past 2 hours exclusively trying to figure out tiebreakers)

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Jeru FC are still here. We're on that 30 day expiry thing just in case ...

It's Taeshan vs SN now! Jeruselem seem to have done a Germany in the Euro, slow start but getting into gear later.

Vonks, I do know that, BUT since that match HAS NOT YET OCCURED, then offically Bettia HAS NOT clinched a spot yet.
Let me throw a Baseball analogy at you:
It's like TEAM A being 3 games up on 2 teams with 4 games to play and they play each other in the next game, and TEAM A just won it's game to go 3 1/2 up on both teams and you hold the tiebreaker over each. But until the trailing teams begin play, you cannot offically clinch.

I know it's a pointless argument in the first place and anyway there's been another game since then, but... I just don't understand your argument at all. A team has "officially clinched" when there is no longer any mathematical possibility of them NOT qualifying. Why does it matter to you that Kura-Pelland and Jariss hadn't played their game yet, when the result of that game couldn't have any effect on whether Bettia qualified or not?

I'm just mystified by your logic and why you're defending it so passionately.

<RL> How the heck do Turkey keep doing that?! </RL>

Because we are DESTINED to win now.

It's weird but I still think they are different people - they seem to have different sense of humour.

Multiple personalities perhaps? It is nice to see so many family connections on this forum, gives people something extra to talk about when not on the forums.

Because we are DESTINED to win now.

You know, at this point, I'm willing to believe it. I suppose they're like... "Well, shoot, if GREECE can win this thing..."

Group 7
Fmjphoenix 1-3 Zwangzug
Qazox 1-0 Orion Star Empire
Aleos 1-3 Acapais

Pos Team P W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Zwangzug 8 6 2 0 24 6 18 20 *
2 Qazox 8 6 2 0 18 7 11 20 *
3 Acapais 8 4 2 2 12 13 -1 14 &
4 Orion Star Empire 8 3 1 4 8 9 -1 10
5 Aleos 8 1 0 7 7 20 -13 3
6 Fmjphoenix 8 0 1 7 5 19 -14 1
* Zwangzug over Qazox on GD: 2-2 (last result), 18 > 11
& Acapais eliminated in H2H against Zwang/Qaz

How is no one eliminated yet? :p Or is it just that everyone but Zwangzug and Qazox are?

Vonks, I do know that, BUT since that match HAS NOT YET OCCURED, then offically Bettia HAS NOT clinched a spot yet.
Let me throw a Baseball analogy at you:
It's like TEAM A being 3 games up on 2 teams with 4 games to play and they play each other in the next game, and TEAM A just won it's game to go 3 1/2 up on both teams and you hold the tiebreaker over each. But until the trailing teams begin play, you cannot offically clinch.


Happens all the time in US football. Team A is a game up on team B and C with two to play and holds the tiebreaker over each. A wins its game and B and C hasn't started playing their head to head match yet. A clinches the playoff spot because there's no way B or C can overtake A regardles of the outcome of their game. You never hear the announcers say "Well A has just won their game but haven't clinched yet because the two teams they have the tiebreaker over and are now 2 wins up on,haven't started their game with each other yet even though its impossible for either team to catch A now." The tiebreaker scenarios before the game would say simply "A clinches a spot with a win."

its all based on maximum possible points/games whether or not they've actually taken place yet, And because there's no scenario of score/result combinations where Bettia doesn't get in, they have clinched regardless of what matches have or haven't taken place. If you're saying they haven't clinched that means there's a scenario where Bettia doesn;t get in, which isn;t the case.

And as an additional thing. BOTH KP and Jariss would have to beat Bettia for them not to get in which is impossible given the schedules. Now had the statement been "Bettia has won their group" then no they wouldn't have clinched as they could be tied by either KP or Jariss (at the time- now its just KP) and it would come down to whatever the tiebreaker scenarios are (unless they already have those won i always forget if head to head, goal differential or away goals is the first one). But a spot in the WC? yes its been clinched.

If Bettia can be mathematically prevented from clinching their spot, then nothing has been decided. It's as simple as that.

right and the math supports their clinching.

im just putting this out there but how do you lose to the worst team in your group coming into the tournament who hasnt posted a roster has not rped since matchday on your a lot higher ranked then them and you have rped every matchday so far?

im just putting this out there but how do you lose to the worst team in your group coming into the tournament who hasnt posted a roster has not rped since matchday on your a lot higher ranked then them and you have rped every matchday so far?

It happens more often that you can imagine (even in RL football)... it's just because the higher ranked team didn't have a good performance in that game, while the other team, even inferior, showed a better football quality.

Scorinator-wise, this means bad luck.

How is no one eliminated yet? Or is it just that everyone but Zwangzug and Qazox are?

Yes, everyone but Zwangzug and Qazox are out. Dae just didn't want to transform the tables in something too colourful, with a lot of green and red... it seemed too Portuguese (as Portugal's colours - red and green - are often used here by anything that wants to show a relation with Portugal) for his taste.

Everyone hurry, sign up for World Cup 42 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=559344) before your FA's headquarters gets demolished to make way for a new bypass!

Everyone hurry, sign up for World Cup 42 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=559344) before your FA's headquarters gets demolished to make way for a new bypass!

*runs to the thread*

Taeshan looks for a posible friendly with...Candelaria and Marquez

I know it's a pointless argument in the first place and anyway there's been another game since then, but... I just don't understand your argument at all. A team has "officially clinched" when there is no longer any mathematical possibility of them NOT qualifying. Why does it matter to you that Kura-Pelland and Jariss hadn't played their game yet, when the result of that game couldn't have any effect on whether Bettia qualified or not?

I'm just mystified by your logic and why you're defending it so passionately.

To be honest with you, Just like arguing about pointless things at least once a World Cup, and I decided this would be the one thing.

To be honest with you, Just like arguing about pointless things at least once a World Cup, and I decided this would be the one thing.

That is actually a deeply admirable attitude, and I think everybody should follow your example. Hooray for pointless bickering! Keep the forums active! *salutes*

Taeshan looks for a posible friendly with...Candelaria and Marquez

Fair enough.

I'm looking for a number of teams for a series of friendlies before the next World Cup begins anew.

Apologies to many people who have been patient/secretly impatient with the other things that I have been doing.


The NFL will begin Season 7 tomorrow, with a pre-Season post delineating the prospects etc. for the eight (including 5 Inter teams) new teams joining the NFL. I'll hopefully have enough time to do a Season-style posting (to offer the Inter owners an opportunity to see their teams in action, despite probably having teams of ghosts with some star foreign players)...
The OFC will continue its proud tradition, with the 6th edition due after the last WC/CoH match.
We did not bribe referees to automatically knock out Sorthern Northland from the competition - if we wanted to do that, we would have lost their application for the World Cup altogether. Why bother with the agony of watching them possibly qualifying on their own merit (not to say that I didn't want them to qualify because then qualifying means that their team gets an opportunity to see the ruins of the great storm!)
Also, sorry for the screwed up scores during the first few matches; I suppose it has to happen with every cup (and if it doesn't, Margaret will chant omens of bad juju on the WC Hosting teams).


EDIT - WOOHOO! TIME WARP!

I'm looking for a number of teams for a series of friendlies before the next World Cup begins anew.

I'd like some friendlies too, so I'd play against you if you want to.

If anyone wants a friendly against Cafundéu or even Terreiro de Ogum, just ask.

I'd like some friendlies too, so I'd play against you if you want to.

If anyone wants a friendly against Cafundéu or even Terreiro de Ogum, just ask.

I'll take up your offer of a friendly.

I'm looking for a number of teams for a series of friendlies before the next World Cup begins anew.

Jeruselem will play friendly against you. We started in WC11 (lost all games but one) but now Jeruselem aren't that bad these days. :p

I'd like some friendlies too, so I'd play against you if you want to.




Jeruselem will play friendly against you.

Both accepted. I'm looking for at least two more matches. I'd really like those two to be World Cup veteran nations.

I'd like some friendlies too, so I'd play against you if you want to.

If anyone wants a friendly against Cafundéu or even Terreiro de Ogum, just ask.

Cafendeu v. Arroza? / Arroza v. Dancougar? Gotta get some payback for those horrible results in Basketball somehow. The Commonwealth should be playing 3 friendlies, after the basketball gets peeled back and I can focus on just Football and Football, oh and make an entirely non-jail related roster. So, um friendlies? Anyone?

Bueller?


Bueller?

Also, a side note from the signup thread that I didn't want to discuss in there.

The Kingdom of Dancougar is totally in. Because my side story is totally not getting finished in this cup... or maybe even in the next one... what have I done?!

That's what you get for referencing Death Note. You should have done Claymore instead. ;) Wait, don't take that, I might need a #47 on the team next run.

Everyone hurry, sign up for World Cup 42 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=559344) before your FA's headquarters gets demolished to make way for a new bypass!

A bypass in the middle of Fort Boston? Never! Anyway, considering Fort Boston's ring road runs underneath the city centre anyway (you heard me right :p) even a plan for a bypass on top would not go down well. It's underground for a reason, people! Mainly so we don't have to rip out rather old bits of the city centre and also not hedge in the city centre by some ghastly though well-working ring road.

See Coventry (on google earth or something) as an example for ring roads that do a bloody good job but unfortunately hedge-in the city centre :(

Anyway, WC. I'll take friendlies against people if anyone wants one.

Arroza v. Dancougar? Gotta get some payback for those horrible results in Basketball somehow.

Sure, pick a place and ship that one in.

You should have done Claymore instead. ;)

If I run into the transreality man-eating blancmanges, I might need to...

Both accepted. I'm looking for at least two more matches. I'd really like those two to be World Cup veteran nations.
Capitalizt SLANI will play the Brittanians.

I was wondering if SLANI would also like to play against Rennidan, considering both teams faced each other in the last World Cup.

I accept the friendly proposals I've received. (Cafundéu x Kose and the Turkomans; Cafundéu x Arroza; Europa Brittania x Cafundéu)

To Europa Brittania: do you want to play the friendly right now as a post-qualifiers one?

A bypass in the middle of Fort Boston? Never! Anyway, considering Fort Boston's ring road runs underneath the city centre anyway (you heard me right :p) even a plan for a bypass on top would not go down well. It's underground for a reason, people! Mainly so we don't have to rip out rather old bits of the city centre and also not hedge in the city centre by some ghastly though well-working ring road.

See Coventry (on google earth or something) as an example for ring roads that do a bloody good job but unfortunately hedge-in the city centre :(

Anyway, WC. I'll take friendlies against people if anyone wants one.

Ugh. See failed example of underground roads: I-93/The Big Dig. 3 billion dollars later, it still leaks. Great job, Bost....oh. Duh.

Friendlies (Between WC 41 and BOF 33-4 I'm assuming right? Or between 41 and 42? No matter.

Arroza v. Dancougar @ Bridgeview Park (Capacity: 30,300)

Cafendeu v. Arroza
(Preferably at the cheapest non-collapsing stadium there is in Cafendeu, you know if there isn't a "Cheapest non-collapsing stadium in Cafendeu", there should be. It would have to be great for marketing.)

Ugh. See failed example of underground roads: I-93/The Big Dig. 3 billion dollars later, it still leaks. Great job, Bost....oh. Duh.



Arroza, tell me about it. I was there when they began the construction, 15 years after it was approved, and it ran 6 years over schedule, and over 7 BILLION over budget, etc. Not to mention it only improved driving times in Boston by about 5-10 minutes anywhere when it was done. WORST PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT IN HISTORY and guess what? In about 10 years or so, I guarentee that some stupid politician will lobby to replace the Big Dig and then the roads in Boston will be messed up for another 2 generations.

(yes, I live in FL now, but lived in Taxachusetts for many years)

Arroza, tell me about it. I was there when they began the construction, 15 years after it was approved, and it ran 6 years over schedule, and over 7 BILLION over budget, etc. Not to mention it only improved driving times in Boston by about 5-10 minutes anywhere when it was done. WORST PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT IN HISTORY and guess what? In about 10 years or so, I guarentee that some stupid politician will lobby to replace the Big Dig and then the roads in Boston will be messed up for another 2 generations.

(yes, I live in FL now, but lived in Taxachusetts for many years)

Ex-Middlesex County resident myself. I'm sure it'll only take 20-30 years to convince them to dredge the whole thoig out and start over. But then again, at the way fuel prices are going, maybe so many people will start taking the T that the tunnels'll stay at capacity for a few decades.

At somepoint though, they're going to HAVE to dig the whole thing out and start over again though (building/engineering lifespans and all. And god forbid you even think about what that'll cost.

first- this is a new Tynelia puppet, figure i may as well do some posts here so i can get through the obligatory first few post mod check before i start posting normally with this nation.

@Wentland- amazing i actually understood various parts of that Latin, going to go over it in more detail tomorrow when i have time to see how much Latin i still remember correctly.

and see ye unbelievers- thanks to a strong non-RP bonus Tynelia stands as the lone unbeaten/untied team in the qualifiers. this means A) having spoken of it i've now jinxed myself and will lose my next match, B) Tynelia go winless in the WC group proper or C) have the same thing happen last time i barely RPed in the WC and make it to the semis.

Qazox/Azzoza- another Bay Stater here, about an hour south of Bahstan, i remember the weekly ever changing detours to get into the city as well

Ugh. See failed example of underground roads: I-93/The Big Dig. 3 billion dollars later, it still leaks. Great job, Bost....oh. Duh.

See, fortunately, NS is fantasy land so it works brilliantly in Fort Boston (no connection whatsoever to the city in the USA, Boston just happens to be my surname :p) with no leakages or problems or whatever.

I'm looking for a number of teams for a series of friendlies before the next World Cup begins anew.

The World Cup 2 hosts - and only other currently active nation to have participated in WC1 - will offer a friendly.

The Holy Empire be fielding a proper football team of actual football players in WC 42.

Oh well, Jeru FC fail again ... due to Bostopia's damn puppet.


GO SPAIN, and they beat Italy ... on PKs

I am truly quite confused by this World Cup however the Holy Republic of Cauci do plan to pitch a makeshift team. I hear that conscripted soldiers will make good footballers so I have a chance!!

I am truly quite confused by this World Cup however the Holy Republic of Cauci do plan to pitch a makeshift team. I hear that conscripted soldiers will make good footballers so I have a chance!!

Your team can be a team of anything, even sentient vegetables.
Oh yes, my puppet Jeru FC s a team of army people so your idea has been done!

Your team can be a team of anything, even sentient vegetables.
Oh yes, my puppet Jeru FC s a team of army people so your idea has been done!

After seeing the man-eating desserts, I think I can say that probably, everything's been done. Just have fun, and remember where your towel is?

After seeing the man-eating desserts, I think I can say that probably, everything's been done. Just have fun, and remember where your towel is?

Am I the only one who realizes that the blancmanges were inspired by a Monty Python sketch?

They turn everybody into Scotsman to try and win Wimbledon because Scotsman are the worst tennis players in the world. They also eat the players, that's the original quote that AIF uses in the roster post, instead of player names he uses team names but besides that it's the exact bloody same.

Seeing as how I can't access my e-mail, I am informing our good hosts that Valanora will be hosting Demot in a PQF in the ESF.

Cafundeu, we'll renew acquaintances with Terreiro de Ogum for a post qualifying friendly. We will travel, to see their rituals at home in person.

After seeing the man-eating desserts, I think I can say that probably, everything's been done. Just have fun, and remember where your towel is?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d5/508_towelie.gif/200px-508_towelie.gif

:p

Am I the only one who realizes that the blancmanges were inspired by a Monty Python sketch?

They turn everybody into Scotsman to try and win Wimbledon because Scotsman are the worst tennis players in the world. They also eat the players, that's the original quote that AIF uses in the roster post, instead of player names he uses team names but besides that it's the exact bloody same.

Monty...who?

We did not bribe referees to automatically knock out Sorthern Northland from the competition - if we wanted to do that, we would have lost their application for the World Cup altogether. Why bother with the agony of watching them possibly qualifying on their own merit (not to say that I didn't want them to qualify because then qualifying means that their team gets an opportunity to see the ruins of the great storm!)


Stop trying to ruin the "it's the fault of anyone but us" thing. :p

I know it's RL, but does anyone else dislike the head-to-head tiebreaker? To me it reduces a group competition to a cup-tie. A team is penalized for being better against everyone else in the group. And the better of two teams with a much better goal diff could be knocked out just by away goals or something stupid.

Plus it makes matches meaningless. If you have a 3 point cushion over a team that you've beaten H2H, the last game is pointless, whereas on a goal diff basis there's still something to play for.

I could potentiallly have benefitted from H2H in this world cup, so it's not a whinge, I just think as a rule it's unfair. I've no idea why FIFA adopt it.

OFFICIAL PRESIDENTIAL ANNOUNCEMENTS


Post-qualifying rankings are now available.
Take your pick: ods (http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth681k/ns/WC41 Post-Qual Rankings.ods) | xls (http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth681k/ns/WC41 Post-Qual Rankings.xls) | pdf (http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth681k/ns/WC41 Post-Qual Rankings.pdf)

Submissions for Cup of Harmony hosting bids are now closed.
There is only one bid, but due to the rules currently in place we have to vote on it anyway. Therefore...

Cup of Harmony hosting bid voting begins now.
Eligible voters: All members of the EWCC (that is, all those who have previously hosted a World Cup) are eligible to vote.*

The options are:

Newmanistan and Zwangzug (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=557848)
Re-open the bidding process


Voting begins now and will conclude at 2300 UTC, Monday 30 June.

IMPORTANT! NEW VOTING METHOD!

From now on, for this and all future WCC votes, please send ALL votes to nswc.president@gmail.com. Yes, this goes for everyone on IRC, too. This will ensure that my telegram box doesn't end up overflowing (especially considering I'll be gone from tomorrow morning until Thursday afternoon/evening). Any votes not sent here will not be counted. Thank you.

Also, please be sure to identify your nation when voting; if I don't know who it's from, it doesn't count.

* Although Casari is now a puppet of Bostopia, Bostopia is still not eligible to vote, as the person behind the nations has not actually hosted.
Baptism of Fire hosting bids will be accepted through the end of the quarterfinals of World Cup 41.
(changed from previous: end of second round)
World Cup 42 hosting bids will be accepted through the end of World Cup 41 or 10 July, whichever is later.
(changed from previous: end of WC41, full stop)


Thank you.

Jeru FC is in the top 32?

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?

Jeru FC is in the top 32?

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?

One day, these army people will actually qualify so I can join the ranks of the Bostopia (with it's puppet Casari) and the SLANI (with it's puppet Demot) ...

I know it's RL, but does anyone else dislike the head-to-head tiebreaker? To me it reduces a group competition to a cup-tie. A team is penalized for being better against everyone else in the group. And the better of two teams with a much better goal diff could be knocked out just by away goals or something stupid.

Plus it makes matches meaningless. If you have a 3 point cushion over a team that you've beaten H2H, the last game is pointless, whereas on a goal diff basis there's still something to play for.

I could potentiallly have benefitted from H2H in this world cup, so it's not a whinge, I just think as a rule it's unfair. I've no idea why FIFA adopt it.

I'd go for GD then H2H ... forces the team with less goals to work harder.

My personal preference for tiebreakers is considerably different than what is being used for the World Cup - the one used in the Baptism of Fire 28 is close to the one I currently use for the NFL. But I'm open to trying new methods of weighing performance. After all, each method has its merits.

I know it's RL, but does anyone else dislike the head-to-head tiebreaker?

I used to, but I've since been won over.

To me it reduces a group competition to a cup-tie. A team is penalized for being better against everyone else in the group.

If you're tied with just one other team, shouldn't it be your performance against that one team that counts, rather than performance against everyone else?

And the better of two teams with a much better goal diff could be knocked out just by away goals or something stupid.

Which is why we didn't use away goals in our head-to-head calculcations. Even if we did, the two groups it would have affected saw both tied teams qualify — and even then the order would not have changed, as the teams that scored more away goals both won their group.

Plus it makes matches meaningless. If you have a 3 point cushion over a team that you've beaten H2H, the last game is pointless, whereas on a goal diff basis there's still something to play for.

If you have a four point cushion over the team in third with one match to play, isn't your last game similarly meaningless? ;)

Cafundeu, we'll renew acquaintances with Terreiro de Ogum for a post qualifying friendly. We will travel, to see their rituals at home in person.

Okay, will send the e-mail to the hosts.

Am I the only one who realizes that the blancmanges were inspired by a Monty Python sketch?

They turn everybody into Scotsman to try and win Wimbledon because Scotsman are the worst tennis players in the world. They also eat the players, that's the original quote that AIF uses in the roster post, instead of player names he uses team names but besides that it's the exact bloody same.

As he says.

However, I never planned on using the Scotsmen angle from the original sketch in my own RPs because:

A) Scots can arguably play football

B) Andy Murray seeded 12th suggests that Scots might even one day win Wimbledon

C) As previously noted in this very thread, I don't want people to assume that my blancmanges are necessarily precisely the same as the Python blancmanges, even while I freely admit the plaigiar... I mean, inspiration.

On the other hand, my RP instructions state that opponents can do more or less anything they like within certain very specific restrictions, so I can hardly complain if Mil wants to natter on about Scotsmen, can I?

Host announcement

Due to the Jolt database error for the majority of today, post-qualifying friendlies will be delayed to Wednesday. I will still be handling the scorination. This also means that you now have until Wednesday 25 June 1230 UTC to submit friendly requests.

This does not affect the schedule in the lead-up to the finals. The group draw is set for Friday, 27 June, around 1430 UTC.

Me from 150 something to 81st? What has happened to this world?

37th in the world.. Not bad for a team that completely $#!T the bed in qualifying.

Due to pressing RL business, my on-line time may be limited the rest of this week; I hope to be fully active again by the time the WC Finals start.

And I see that while the Archregimancy didn't particularly benefit from qualification, the Holy Empire actually fell a rank thanks to tying with Az-cz for the worst qualifying record of any top 20 team.

<sigh>

The Dreamed Realm.... bringing you chronic underachievement since WC1

Sweet, we're 57th in the world.

46th?

Hell yes, broke the top 50!

Real Purpose of Post= Woohoo #5000!

IC Purpose of Post= I'm just glad we didn't drop after our qualifying misery!