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Oh, woe to us...

"World Cup - the discussion thread [renamed]" Died at a ripe old age of 11,142 posts. A memorial will shortly be held to remember the thread.

*Mourns loss of old thread*


NSWiki References
World Cup (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/World_Cup)
Baptism of Fire (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Baptism_of_Fire)
Cup of Harmony (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Cup_of_Harmony)
World Cup Committee (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/World_Cup_Committee)
World Cup FAQs (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/World_Cup_FAQs)

*holds a moment of silence for the old thread*





*yells* 1st!

On behalf of the Vephraller Foutbiller Restritris, national team manager Ostalir Pasarap is personally sacrificing eleven thousand one hundred forty-two virgin rubber chickens to commemorate the old thread. He is currently on chicken number sixty-two and expects to be done by the end of next week.

Sativaville will smoke 11,142 joints to commemorate the passing of that thread. Any idea why it was taken down???

*cries a bit*

*yells* 1st!

1st to reply twice!!!!!

There goes 500 of my posts!

Question about the NS WIKI Hall of Fame for players, who maintains it?

Sativaville will smoke 11,142 joints to commemorate the passing of that thread. Any idea why it was taken down???
The thread decided to give anyone that tried to view it a database error, which wasn’t very helpful for discussing. :p

Sativaville will smoke 11,142 joints to commemorate the passing of that thread. Any idea why it was taken down???

There was something wrong with the DB, The WCDT and only the WCDT came up with a "Database Error".

I think it was an Orthodox conspiracy. The final post, posted at 00:20 UTC 2007-08-22 was by none other than...the Archregimancy.

And the plot thickens...

There goes 500 of my posts!

Question about the NS WIKI Hall of Fame for players, who maintains it?

And 485 of mine :(

And I'm the first to have a puppet and the master on this thread!! woot!

As for the real question... YOU do. It's for everyone who's eligible and you just do your own.

No one does—everyone adds their own players.

I was just checking in case there was an official person for that, thanks!

There goes 500 of my posts!

Question about the NS WIKI Hall of Fame for players, who maintains it?
No one does—everyone adds their own players.

I think it was an Orthodox conspiracy. The final post, posted at 00:20 UTC 2007-08-22 was by none other than...the Archregimancy.

And the plot thickens...

"Interesting.. very interesting...." Arte Johnson

Someone set up us the database error?

And our first TimeWarp....

IT's feeling like home already

11 posts in 5 minutes? yep.

No one does—everyone adds their own players.

I was just checking in case there was an official person for that, thanks!

And our first TimeWarp....

IT's feeling like home already

And we're already on Page 2.... LOL this is fun.

But seriousness aside.

Green wombat, my brother's country is no longer going to be active. So long wombatis

It is our job to test the limits of the Jolt server! :p

11142 posts of history, gone!

Good grief, somebody buy Jolt a clock.

For those of you just coming to this thread, the chronologically-correct way to read the posts in this thread is as follows: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 7, 10, 13, 11, 12, 17, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20. :p

A shame to lose those old discussions, though I guess it'll be easier to sift through, once again. Here's to the new discussion thread, until we clog that up to Jolt's fill!

Dammit Jeruselem, You beat me to 500 on the old thread, you ain't beating me to double-digits...lol. I think Sel Appa cuased it to crash...j/k dude or dudette. (Back to serious things again)

The 3rd edition of the OXEN CUP is going to be a true round-robin tourney, limited to 8 invited guests. & matches for each team, must win, no draws. IF a match is tied after regulation and extra time there will be a shoot-out.

The link to the acceptance thread is here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12987884#post12987884

The invited teams:
Cafundeu: Oxen Cup 1 Champions/ Current World Cup Host
Jeru FC: Oxen Cup 2 Runners-up
Sel Appa: Oxen Cup 2 winners
Kura-Pelland: Oxen Cup 2 3rd place
New Montreal States: Oxen Cup 2 2nd best record.
Az-cz: Former WORLD CUP Host
Daehanjeiguk: Special Invite
Zwangzug: Semifinalists WORLD CUP 36

The back-up list (in case none of the above wish to play):
Commerce Heights: Current World Cup Hosts
Bettia: World Cup 35 Champions
Quakmybush: Special Invite
Sativaville: Special Invite

Any others who wish to participate, may sign-up, but will only be used if none of the 12 above sign-up. And First come first serve on the 2nd list.

I think it was an Orthodox conspiracy. The final post, posted at 00:20 UTC 2007-08-22 was by none other than...the Archregimancy.


Ha! My ranking may be collapsing from 10 to 20, but at least I'll always own that last post.

Truly the ways of the Lord are always just, even though they may sometimes be hard to understand.

A shame to lose those old discussions, though I guess it'll be easier to sift through, once again. Here's to the new discussion thread, until we clog that up to Jolt's fill!

In unrelated news... could you please re-post your proposal about voting... requiring a majority

It got lost with the old WCDT

And raising the first substantive issue of the new thread...


With the BoF hosts now being given discretion over BoF entry, does this apply immediately to WC37?

If so, should the first post in the sign-up thread be re-formatted to reflect this?

And if so, how? Will that first post now distinguish between teams with no current KPB points and teams that have never held KPB points?


Finally, assuming Sel is confirmed as the next BoF host with me as his mentor, I'm leaving the final decision over whom to invite to his discretion (though yes, I am offering advice).

With the BoF hosts now being given discretion over BoF entry, does this apply immediately to WC37?

If so, should the first post in the sign-up thread be re-formatted to reflect this?

And if so, how? Will that first post now distinguish between teams with no current KPB points and teams that have never held KPB points?


1- I didn't like the idea then and still don't, but that ship has sailed. I guess it should start w/ the WC37 BoF.

2- Probably

3- Bold the first kind, and italics for the 2nd?

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Now that the Lord's will is done, I guess I need to say that the OFC (Oriental Football Cup) is now open to - NOT ONLY ethnic Han (Korean/Chinese/Filipino) - but also Japanese/Vietnamese/Thai/Malay/Mongolian ethnicities as well, considering the actual drawing pool for ethnic Han entities is apparently very limited.

apply here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536058

As I had posted in the previous thread, the ESF has a small yet well represented Japanese community. There have been several to become a Senator, with three currently in the Senate. The most famous though is Yomo Kamotomi, who is a hockey player and represented the country at Cherry Cup XVII, WCoH I and II.

As I had posted in the previous thread, the ESF has a small yet well represented Japanese community. There have been several to become a Senator, with three currently in the Senate. The most famous though is Yomo Kamotomi, who is a hockey player and represented the country at Cherry Cup XVII, WCoH I and II.

That works.

expect a roster up sometime tonight or tommorow morning

And raising the first substantive issue of the new thread...


With the BoF hosts now being given discretion over BoF entry, does this apply immediately to WC37?

If so, should the first post in the sign-up thread be re-formatted to reflect this?

And if so, how? Will that first post now distinguish between teams with no current KPB points and teams that have never held KPB points?


Finally, assuming Sel is confirmed as the next BoF host with me as his mentor, I'm leaving the final decision over whom to invite to his discretion (though yes, I am offering advice).

It will apply for Sel, and since it's the Semi-finals stage for the WC and QF stage for the CoH. I feel confident in stating that...

SEL APPA WILL HOST THE UPCOMING BoF and will have the opportunity to set and control eligibility... as per the BoF Memorandum of Understanding.

As for markers I would perhaps include a legend, if required...

At currently new nations that have never competed before will have no markings.... returning nation will have an asterix or some other similiar marking to indicate returned nation.

Which reminds me.... Miceland wants in on the BoF

Incidentally, surely I'm not the only person out there who strongly suspects - on current evidence - that 'Vanek Drury Brieres' might well prove to be an alternative spelling for t-r-o-u-b-l-e.

Maybe it's Alan Shearer Heaven resurrected from the grave.

Incidentally, surely I'm not the only person out there who strongly suspects - on current evidence - that 'Vanek Drury Brieres' might well prove to be an alternative spelling for t-r-o-u-b-l-e.

Maybe it's Alan Shearer Heaven resurrected from the grave.

Yeah, I went down hard on him/her but in the sign-ups thread... they haven't done anything and so we should just wait and see.

Edit... I've decided to go with...



New Team Name
Returning Team Name†

† Blurb desribing that as this is a returning team it's eligibility is upto the host

Incidentally, surely I'm not the only person out there who strongly suspects - on current evidence - that 'Vanek Drury Brieres' might well prove to be an alternative spelling for t-r-o-u-b-l-e.

Maybe it's Alan Shearer Heaven resurrected from the grave.

???? Damn old people mentioning names noone of the current generation know.... lol

Didn't notice this before on the sign-up thread.. but Welcome back Vuam & Isma!! (yay now we have another class of WC27 team that will fail.)

The WC36 is going to end, and the CoH for WC36 is nearly over too, so we have cheese-eating surrender monkey cup, the shortish people with black hair cup and the noisy animal with horns cup going to start. :)

???? Damn old people mentioning names noone of the current generation know.... lol

Alan Shearer Heaven was here in WC25, that's not so old school. Think that I came in here in WC21, so I'm considered as "current generation"...

go to bed you, you have school tomorrow :P

also Vanek Drury Brieres better be drawn into my group in WC37 i can rp so well against that.

Alan Shearer Heaven was here in WC25...

If it happened before WC27.. it's ancient to me..lol

the noisy animal with horns cup going to start. :)

Maybe I should change it to the firey bird that commits suicide every 5000 years Cup.... too late now :eek:

???? Damn old people mentioning names noone of the current generation know.... lol

Hush youngun.

Alan Shearer Heaven was here in WC25, that's not so old school. Think that I came in here in WC21, so I'm considered as "current generation"...


Technically speaking, while separate nations for the purposes of official records, Alan Shearer Heaven was immediately preceded by WC24 nation Shearer Heaven. Shearer Heaven was then deleted by the mods (I think), and the same person returned as Alan Shearer Heaven.

He was - again I'm relying on memory here - the 10 year old younger brother of otherwise-forgotten nation Elrich.

Imagine a Geordie Shearer-obsessed (far) less mature version of Sel Appa, and you'll get the general idea.

That said, the WC25 version was an improvement on the WC24 version.

...(far) less mature version of Sel Appa,

Didn't think that was possible.

Only took an hour looking through my roster document and transfer documents to find a team of oriental descent, and now I must go retire as my semester begins tommorow. Darn where did summer go? *sigh*

So when does WC37 start?

WC37 will start as soon as the hosts deem necessary... and given that the hosts haven't even been selected yet... and that we aren't even into the quarterfinals of WC36 yet (or are we?)...

And I go offline to study for exams and return to find the old WCDT gone? Bummer.

Aw jeez, this is the first new thread I've had to subscribe to in ages...

*sheds a tiny tear for the old WCDT*

Dance 2 Revolution here to put across a pressing issue!!!

How long until "The New World Cup Discussion Thread" becomes just "The World Cup Discussion Thread"?

In all seriousness, I hope that i'm back for at least some sort of consistent run again, it's been over 10 cups...

How on earth that thread could die like that is beyond me. Let me guess, they considered it spam. :|

How on earth that thread could die like that is beyond me. Let me guess, they considered it spam. :|

I blame Qazox and his 400-odd posts ;)

On a more serious level, Zwangzug better hope they lose their next game. If they take second they'll fall under the curse.

On a more serious level, Zwangzug better hope they lose their next game. If they take second they'll fall under the curse.

Why on earth would a team want to lose a World Cup Semi-final?

Star- The Audoslavian curse. Whoever finishes second in the World Cup is screwed for x amount of cups afterwards.

Az has the curse more technically known than I, I only know baseball curses.

On that note what's the name of the Indians curse? Or is it just the curse of Cleveland (considering none of their sports teams can win a title)?

*cues Nancy Kerrigan* WHY?! WHY?! WHY?!

How on earth that thread could die like that is beyond me. Let me guess, they considered it spam. :|

I think the relational database holding all the threads on Jolt couldn't cope with over 11000 posts on one thread. :p
It was probably the single largest thread on this forum.

How on earth that thread could die like that is beyond me. Let me guess, they considered it spam. :|

Well, I've just asked the mods here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536309) on the technical forum. If anyone knows, it would be them. Let's see what they say.

How long until "The New World Cup Discussion Thread" becomes just "The World Cup Discussion Thread"?

Probably never - I don't think it's possible to rename a thread on Jolt (maybe with mod intervention, but not on your own).

Wasn't 'War (Der Fuhrer Dyhzel read this)' larger than the WCDT?

Well, I've just asked the mods here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536309) on the technical forum. If anyone knows, it would be them. Let's see what they say.

Erri...What was happening is that the now dead thread was consistantly recieving "Database Error"s while the rest of Jolt worked fine.

I posted the following thread and got onto some mods in IRC. That's basically as much as we know for sure.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536281

And that's probably as much as we'll ever have

Erri...What was happening is that the now dead thread was consistantly recieving "Database Error"s while the rest of Jolt worked fine.

I posted the following thread and got onto some mods in IRC. That's basically as much as we know for sure.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536281

And that's probably as much as we'll ever have

Thanks. My thread has been closed. Sad the old discussion thread was lost before it was saved, if you get my drift.

*sheds a tear for the old thread*

There was something wrong with the DB, The WCDT and only the WCDT came up with a "Database Error".

Yesh, I noted this last night and informed Baz. Must've went over some limit. Actually I think there is a 60-page limit on threads in General...

Someone set up us the database error?

lulz

After reading the mod reports, it seems this is just another one of Jolt's "problems"...

It will apply for Sel, and since it's the Semi-finals stage for the WC and QF stage for the CoH. I feel confident in stating that...

SEL APPA WILL HOST THE UPCOMING BoF and will have the opportunity to set and control eligibility... as per the BoF Memorandum of Understanding.

As for markers I would perhaps include a legend, if required...

At currently new nations that have never competed before will have no markings.... returning nation will have an asterix or some other similiar marking to indicate returned nation.

Which reminds me.... Miceland wants in on the BoF

Wh00t! Thanks to Arch and Baz and everyone else for supporting me and putting up with my crap. I will ensure this BoF is a one to remember...for me at least. :)

BoF Notes:
I will be calling this BoF (24) the Hatchling Cup to make it more turtle-oriented. Furthermore, groups will be called bales, which is a group of turtles. However, anyone may refer to both by their "real" names if they want.

As for zeroed nations, I will be allowing them as long as they don't take up the space of a real newbie. Like if 21 nations sign up and Miceland is one of them, they won't be in it so I can have 20 nations (or 24, if it gets to that).

The format will be 4 groups of 5 or 6 nations. The top two in each group advance according to standard methods.

I will be going on vacation for a week starting the 25th or 26th. I don't know if I'll be able to make the BoF threads during that time, but I will as soon as I am able to. It is even possible we don't go for a whole week, or at all...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/juvanya/hc01logo_s.png

Star- The Audoslavian curse. Whoever finishes second in the World Cup is screwed for x amount of cups afterwards.

Seems like only Bedi was a recent exception to that, though in the case of 2nd in WC28 and 1st in WC30, X appears to equal just '2'.

Seems like only Bedi was a recent exception to that, though in the case of 2nd in WC28 and 1st in WC30, X appears to equal just '2'.

Oh btw, I templated your template for my own nation NSWiki...

Oh btw, I templated your template for my own nation NSWiki...
Is there anything I've done on NSwiki that you haven't half-inched? :p

Is there anything I've done on NSwiki that you haven't half-inched? :p
I'm figuring out how to rip your actual page.

Errinundera x Ariddia - Akēlaïkà Ethnikò Stádio, Khrusáestos

Go Ariddia!

Am I the only one the symbols are not showing up for?

Am I the only one the symbols are not showing up for?

No, its the encoding of your browser. Try changing it to UTF-8 and it will look more legible (though I haven't come across the right one in Firefox yet that displays it perfectly)

I'll say 'Go Erri' instead, as I don't want Arry to break past the 2 titles won - as that's the number Starblaydia currently have *ahem*

No, its the encoding of your browser. Try changing it to UTF-8 and it will look more legible (though I haven't come across the right one in Firefox yet that displays it perfectly)
You won’t find the right one, since it’s mistakenly double-encoded (it’s Ἀκηλαϊκὰ Ἐθνικὸ Σταδιό (Akēlaïkà Ethnikò Stadió), which should display correctly when the browser is set to UTF-8).

I think it was an Orthodox conspiracy. The final post, posted at 00:20 UTC 2007-08-22 was by none other than...the Archregimancy.

And the plot thickens...I think the ghost of Tanah Burung killed the old thread.

Anyhow, thanks for folks' support in my improbable run: it's been a great ride, and it's not over yet! One more footnote of history to write. :D

Woot! It's a lefty cup. And in the very den of the running dog capitalizts etc etc and so on and so forth.

Report tonight but in the meantime I think Ariddia has the #1 KPB ranking well and truly nailed down.

1 Ariddia 54.28571429
2 Elves Security Forces 47.54761905
3 Errinundera 45.45952381
4 Schiavonia 45.1547619
5 Bettia 45.0452381
6 Capitalizt SLANI 44.54047619
7 Az-cz 40.74761905
8 Vilita 36.25714286
9 Milchama 34.88809524
10 Zwanzug 34.77619048
11 Jeruselem 33.36904762
12 Demot 33.31904762
13 The Holy Empire 32.14285714
14 Squornshelous 31.19285714
15 Bazalonia 30.98809524
16 Wentland 30.74285714
17 The Lowland Clans 30.53571429
18 Cafundéu 30.45833333
19 Oliverry 29.53571429
20 The Archregimancy 28.53333333

Includes WC36 matches up until semi-finals

Sum of:
WC36F points * 8 (incl 3 pt bonus) / 7
WC36Q points * 4 / 14
WC35F points * 4 (incl 3 pt bonus) / 7
WC35Q points * 2 / 10
WC34F points * 2 (incl 3 pt bonus) / 7
WC34Q points * 1 / 12

BTW, what's so cursed about coming second? We'll be celebrating for a month in Errinundera regardless.

Anyhow, thanks for folks' support in my improbable run: it's been a great ride, and it's not over yet! One more footnote of history to write. :D

Great post! Everyone in Ariddia will be supporting Zwangzug for 3rd place. ;)

Now bring on the Lefties' Final!

I will be going on vacation for a week starting the 25th or 26th. I don't know if I'll be able to make the BoF threads during that time, but I will as soon as I am able to. It is even possible we don't go for a whole week, or at all...

Just to clarify that last bit of Sel's post... He means that he might not go on vacation, not that the BoF itself might not go 'for a whole week or at all'.

That was probably fairly clear, but thought I'd gently step in just in case.

And I think I've just about convinced a very excited Sel to hold off starting the BoF until after the WC37 hosts close sign-ups ;)

Just to clarify that last bit of Sel's post... He means that he might not go on vacation, not that the BoF itself might not go 'for a whole week or at all'.

That was probably fairly clear, but thought I'd gently step in just in case.

And I think I've just about convinced a very excited Sel to hold off starting the BoF until after the WC37 hosts close sign-ups ;)

On that note, we are indeed going on the trip. I just don't know when we'll leave and if I will have computer access.

BTW, what's so cursed about coming second? We'll be celebrating for a month in Errinundera regardless.

Ask Audioslavia.

Ask Audioslavia.

Or Spaam, I suppose.

Or Spaam, I suppose.

Yep. I haven't yet been to enough finals to adequately explain why second place is miserable, but I do know that losing World Cup 15 to a certain side that Squornshelans were delighted to see lose to Errinundera (not that they like you much more mind you ;)) was quite deflating.

I think its worse for me. I'm second at coming second!

I'm really happy that the final is between two old-skool teams, should make for some great RP.

~nooks Arch for killing the DT~

I think it might be an idea for Baz to put some wiki links on the first page of this thread, as reference.

I blame Qazox and his 400-odd posts ;)

This coming from the 1st to 400 posts?? I blame Jeruselem's 500 posts and Az-cz' 350 posts myself.. and somehow Sel Appa.

Only thing is I was the 1st on the new thread to 10 posts!!! YAY

Say, if Erri wins this cup - he'd be 2nd ranked pushing down the Elves to 3rd?

Say, if Erri wins this cup - he'd be 2nd ranked pushing down the Elves to 3rd?
And if CH win, Elves move down to fourth.

And if CH win, Elves move down to fourth.

Not much separating the top 6 really, apart from France at the top err Ariddia.

Whomever posted the TOP 20,, any chnce you could expand it to the TOP 32?

Thanks

This coming from the 1st to 400 posts?? I blame Jeruselem's 500 posts and Az-cz' 350 posts myself.. and somehow Sel Appa.

Only thing is I was the 1st on the new thread to 10 posts!!! YAY

Presidential spam is different to inane babbling Qazox-spam. Supposedly.

I'm sure you'll also be the first to 50, and 100, and 200, etc.

Presidential spam is different to inane babbling Qazox-spam. Supposedly.

I'm sure you'll also be the first to 50, and 100, and 200, etc.

I'll do my best!!!!:D :D:gundge: :D:D

I'll do my best!!!!:D :D:gundge: :D:D
Congratulations. I think you just ensured you never qualify for another World Cup.

Has anyone else noticed NSwiki's max_questions errors getting worse recently? I was just trying to edit the WC page - removing a few outdated Fast Facts and adding a note about why Capitalizt SLANI has a claim over Bedi's world titles - but, try as i might, that damn error keeps on coming.

Has anyone else noticed NSwiki's max_questions errors getting worse recently? I was just trying to edit the WC page - removing a few outdated Fast Facts and adding a note about why Capitalizt SLANI has a claim over Bedi's world titles - but, try as i might, that damn error keeps on coming.

Yes, Goober really needs to sort a better server out. After doing a quick search, he needs a host that leaves the LOCK tables function enabled and does not set limits for max_questions... whatever that means :p

Dance 2 Revolution were more spectacularly cursed than almost anyone with regard to being beaten finalists... third two Cups later, fell to pieces thereafter, ceased, came back, and are now finally set to win something... the CoH. :p

I say 'almost' anyone because I (as Kaze Progressa) had the worst second-place curse of the lot. We never made the last sixteen after that, I think!

Coupe de la Francophonie

Groups have been announced and the RP thread is open (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536390). The Cup will begin at some time fairly soon after the World Cup final, when the new KPB rankings & points are known.

Question: Is there any way to organize friendlies? I would love to get some friendlies in before WC 37 and the BofF Cups.

Regards,
HRH Raymond I

As requested, the current top 32

1 Ariddia 54.28571429
2 Elves Security Forces 47.54761905
3 Errinundera 45.45952381
4 Schiavonia 45.1547619
5 Bettia 45.0452381
6 Capitalizt SLANI 44.54047619
7 Az-cz 40.74761905
8 Vilita 36.25714286
9 Milchama 34.88809524
10 Zwangzug 34.77619048
11 Jeruselem 33.36904762
12 Demot 33.31904762
13 The Holy Empire 32.14285714
14 Squornshelous 31.19285714
15 Bazalonia 30.98809524
16 Wentland 30.74285714
17 The Lowland Clans 30.53571429
18 Cafundéu 30.45833333
19 Oliverry 29.53571429
20 The Archregimancy 28.53333333
22 Fmjphoenix 27.37619048
23 Qazox 23.84285714
24 Tynelia 23.5547619
25 Turori 23.23809524
26 Quakmybush 22.08809524
27 Rejistania 21.11666667
28 Bostopia 21.11309524
29 The HURD 21.06547619
30 Yafor 2 20.75714286
31 Northern Bettia 19.71428571
32 Estresse Intenso 16.86904762

Includes WC36 matches up until semi-finals
Includes CoH28 matches up until semi-finals

Sum of:
WC36F points * 8 (incl 3 pt bonus) / 7
WC36Q points * 4 / 14
WC35F points * 4 (incl 3 pt bonus) / 7
WC35Q points * 2 / 10
WC34F points * 2 (incl 3 pt bonus) / 7
WC34Q points * 1 / 12

Question: Is there any way to organize friendlies? I would love to get some friendlies in before WC 37 and the BofF Cups.

Regards,
HRH Raymond I

Oh yes, you post your request for friendly here and someone replies. When you accept, it's official. Real simple. Do wait until the cups have official started though, and there's a certain period of time before the real games start.

Welcome!

Congratulations Adi'han and Novapsolu for now being the Official Hosts for World Cup 37

Congratulations Adi'han and Novapsolu for now being the Official Hosts for World Cup 37

After fighting off fierce competition of course!

After fighting off fierce competition of course!

The competition was fierce... it was either them... or them...

I have to admit, they did have a pretty good bid so you know it was a hard decision.

Given that both Legal and I will remain unavailable IRL for various reasons until tomorrow (me) and the weekend (Legal), we'll work out explicit details (like group/team numbers) at the first opportunity we get.

Thanks for having enough trust to give me another go at hosting the cup, LOL.

Given that both Legal and I will remain unavailable IRL for various reasons until tomorrow (me) and the weekend (Legal), we'll work out explicit details (like group/team numbers) at the first opportunity we get.

Thanks for having enough trust to give me another go at hosting the cup, LOL.
Our apathy was too great :p

As requested, the current top 32

20 The Archregimancy 28.53333333
22 Fmjphoenix 27.37619048

Hahaha...very funny...:rolleyes:

Has anyone else noticed NSwiki's max_questions errors getting worse recently? I was just trying to edit the WC page - removing a few outdated Fast Facts and adding a note about why Capitalizt SLANI has a claim over Bedi's world titles - but, try as i might, that damn error keeps on coming.

I'm just curious, but is there an RP of Bedistan joining them...somewhere?

If you followed the AO, you would know.

I'm just curious, but is there an RP of Bedistan joining them...somewhere?

Bedi's territory was... 'enveloped' by the Unified Capitalizt States after it ceased. Hence Capitalizt SLANI can claim the 4 cups that Bedi won to give them a total of 5.

Bedi's territory was... 'enveloped' by the Unified Capitalizt States after it ceased. Hence Capitalizt SLANI can claim the 4 cups that Bedi won to give them a total of 5.
It’s slightly more complicated than that (as everything is in the UCS, it seems :p )—Capitalizt SLANI sent Bedistani athletes (along with Lontorikans and International City–ians, which became part of the UCS at the same time as Bedistan) to the World Cup after the Bedistani Football Association was destroyed following WC32, but before Bedistan ceased to exist during WC34. Jasīʼyūn did not, which is why they can’t claim to inherit Bedistan’s record.

It’s slightly more complicated than that (as everything is in the UCS, it seems :p )

You and your bloody overly-complex nation! :D

Except you can't retroactively claim results. Bedistan won those cups as Bedistan, not as UCS. You can claim any Bedistani results AFTER the collapse, but not before.

Except you can't retroactively claim results. Bedistan won those cups as Bedistan, not as UCS. You can claim any Bedistani results AFTER the collapse, but not before.

Rejistania & Bedistan currently hold the record for most World Cups won (four), while Bedistan has the most final appearances (seven). Capitalizt SLANI claims to inherit Bedistan’s record, and thus has won five World Cups, but this is not generally recognized.

He can, of course, claim whatever the hell he likes, lol, whether anyone outside the UCS would believe those claims is quite another matter.

EDIT: I'll agree to his claim for a 3rd place finish in WC36, though ;)

It’s slightly more complicated than that (as everything is in the UCS, it seems :p )


You and your bloody overly-complex nation! :D

QFT...I still am a bit confused by the different names...

He can, of course, claim whatever the hell he likes, lol, whether anyone outside the UCS would believe those claims is quite another matter.

EDIT: I'll agree to his claim for a 3rd place finish in WC36, though ;)
You are of course right. And as a show of my benevolence, Spaam too shall recognise the third place :D

Except you can't retroactively claim results. Bedistan won those cups as Bedistan, not as UCS. You can claim any Bedistani results AFTER the collapse, but not before.
As long as we’re conflating in-character and out-of-character claims, why don’t we whine about the HURD’s claim that they’ll beat the world champions in half a year? :p

Wait... Sel Appia, can nations that were KPB 0-ed due to lack of participation in WCs postulate for the BoF?

I AM INTERESTED !

As long as we’re conflating in-character and out-of-character claims, why don’t we whine about the HURD’s claim that they’ll beat the world champions in half a year? :p
I'll back that. ;)

Wait... Sel Appia, can nations that were KPB 0-ed due to lack of participation in WCs postulate for the BoF?

I AM INTERESTED !

Yes, they now can...

I'll add you on a waiting list as per SA's instructions...

Wait... Sel Appia, can nations that were KPB 0-ed due to lack of participation in WCs postulate for the BoF?

I AM INTERESTED !

I believe that this was addressed by Sel a few pages ago, but to recap:

Sel has decided, after quickly consulting with myself (though I took the position that this was entirely his decision to make) on the following eligibility rules for the upcoming Baptism of Fire / Hatchling Cup:

All nations with a current KPB rank of 0 are eligible, irrespective of past participation in or eligibility for past Baptisms of Fire.

However, should it be necessary to leave out a team or two in order to ensure an even group format, participation precedence will be given to nations who have never previously held a KPB rank.

From a purely practical perspective, this means Vuam and Isma is eligible for the BoF. Starblaydia is also eligible to both enter the World Cup and sign up for the Baptism of Fire should he choose to do so. Of other nations to have previously held a KPB rank, The Mice of Miceland have already done so.

Sel will be on vacation for part of this next week, so I'll do my best to answer any other BoF questions people might have while he's away. Since WC sign-ups aren't even closed yet, I don't anticipate this causing anything significant in the way of a delay.


I know some people may have one or two doubts about Sel's ability to run the event, but he's been putting a lot of work into preparation behind the scenes, particularly as regards NSwiki background information to enhance RP detail. I'm confident that he can pull this off, so do please give him the benefit of the doubt for the duration.

I believe that this was addressed by Sel a few pages ago, but to recap:

Sel has decided, after quickly consulting with myself (though I took the position that this was entirely his decision to make) on the following eligibility rules for the upcoming Baptism of Fire / Hatchling Cup:

All nations with a current KPB rank of 0 are eligible, irrespective of past participation in or eligibility for past Baptisms of Fire.

However, should it be necessary to leave out a team or two in order to ensure an even group format, participation precedence will be given to nations who have never previously held a KPB rank.

From a purely practical perspective, this means Vuam and Isma is eligible for the BoF. Starblaydia is also eligible to both enter the World Cup and sign up for the Baptism of Fire should he choose to do so. Of other nations to have previously held a KPB rank, The Mice of Miceland have already done so.

Sel will be on vacation for part of this next week, so I'll do my best to answer any other BoF questions people might have while he's away. Since WC sign-ups aren't even closed yet, I don't anticipate this causing anything significant in the way of a delay.


I know some people may have one or two doubts about Sel's ability to run the event, but he's been putting a lot of work into preparation behind the scenes, particularly as regards NSwiki background information to enhance RP detail. I'm confident that he can pull this off, so do please give him the benefit of the doubt for the duration.

I have removed Miceland and have given it's spot to Vuam... considering it's a puppet and all

I have removed Miceland and have given it's spot to Vuam... considering it's a puppet and all

Yes - thanks. I should clarify my above post by adding that Sel has a stated preference for either 20 or 24 BoF participants (as Baz has already allowed for with the Mice).

So three other teams would have to sign up to reach 24. Until 24 (including the waiting list) is reached, any sign-ups who've previously held KPB points (like Starblaydia) would join the Mice of Miceland on the BoF waiting list.

Y'are too good. Ye kindles me 'eart.

Thanks for clarifying.

Wait... Sel Appia, can nations that were KPB 0-ed due to lack of participation in WCs postulate for the BoF?

I AM INTERESTED !

Well this has already been cleared up...:)

I know some people may have one or two doubts about Sel's ability to run the event, but he's been putting a lot of work into preparation behind the scenes, particularly as regards NSwiki background information to enhance RP detail. I'm confident that he can pull this off, so do please give him the benefit of the doubt for the duration.

Indeed, I have been redoing a lot of NSWiki stuff because of this. You can see all the Sel Appa articles, at various stages of completion here (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Category:Sel_Appa)...which makes me think I should make a completed article template...

*On the main Sel Appa article, there may be stuff about the United States. That is because I am borrowing the skeleton of the US article to help improve mine. :)

Congratulations. I think you just ensured you never qualify for another World Cup.

:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

At least I've qualifed at least once, something many nations can't claim.


23 Qasox 23.84285714


Only one more strong showing.. and i could crack the top 20... possibly

Only one more strong showing.. and i could crack the top 20... possibly

Maybe then people will spell you right. :D

Maybe then people will spell you right. :D

You figure after TEN CUPS someone would. Hell they get mine wrong more than yours, and the only reason i know how to spell sqournshelous, is that i've read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy about 30 times.

Sqourn...A quick Question? Was your country founded by couches perhaps? lol

You figure after TEN CUPS someone would. Hell they get mine wrong more than yours, and the only reason i know how to spell sqournshelous, is that i've read The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy about 30 times.

Sqourn...A quick Question? Was your country founded by couches perhaps? lol

Matresses in fact, played a small part in the very early history of Squornshelous, but no one remembers much of them, because all of them were named Zem, and they were mostly caught, dried out and exported.

Fun Fact: The Squornshelous you know is actually a misspelling. It appears in the Hitchikers Trilogy with two L's as Squornshellous Zeta.

Maybe then people will spell you right. :D

My apologies to Qazox. The list has been corrected.

Fun Fact: The Squornshelous you know is actually a misspelling. It appears in the Hitchikers Trilogy with two L's as Squornshellous Zeta.

Fun Fact 2: The Errinundera you know is also actually a misspelling. It appears in eastern Victoria with one E as the Errinundra National Park.

Matresses in fact, played a small part in the very early history of Squornshelous, but no one remembers much of them, because all of them were named Zem, and they were mostly caught, dried out and exported.

Fun Fact: The Squornshelous you know is actually a misspelling. It appears in the Hitchikers Trilogy with two L's as Squornshellous Zeta.

Jeruselem is misspelling but in this case some idiot on NS had taken Jerusalem and that nation had expired. I'd take Jerusalem if it could be reclaimed.

Jeruselem is misspelling but in this case some idiot on NS had taken Jerusalem and that nation had expired. I'd take Jerusalem if it could be reclaimed.

You know what is annoying about that is that I see the misspelling so much that sometimes absent mindedly I spell Jerusalem, the city, wrong.

Fun Fact: The Squornshelous you know is actually a misspelling. It appears in the Hitchikers Trilogy with two L's as Squornshellous Zeta.

I never said i've read it recently....last time was when i was 13 or 14 (and I'm now older than that...lol)

Fun fact #3- Qazox is not misspelled at all!!! lol

Fun Fact 2: The Errinundera you know is also actually a misspelling. It appears in eastern Victoria with one E as the Errinundra National Park.

Is that why you have all the forest an pro-environment stuff?

While were on the subject, which I was actually thinking of posting earlier...Origins of Sel Appa (the name) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=488024). I just recently cameoed this origin IC.

You know what is annoying about that is that I see the misspelling so much that sometimes absent mindedly I spell Jerusalem, the city, wrong.

Same here. And I also did the same with Ta(d)jikistan.

One for those of us who've been here a REALLY long time...was the old nation Quohog misspelled, or was it pure coincidence that it was very similar to Quahog (which is pronounced like "Quohog") of Family Guy fame?

Same here. And I also did the same with Ta(d)jikistan.

One for those of us who've been here a REALLY long time...was the old nation Quohog misspelled, or was it pure coincidence that it was very similar to Quahog (which is pronounced like "Quohog") of Family Guy fame?

I think Tadjikstan is a correct spelling.

By the way, for those who wanted to know which NSWiki articles are completed (sort of like featured article status), you can now put {{Complete}} in your article and a message will appear at the bottom certifying its completeness. I created this so I knew what articles I was done with.

About the Coupe de Francophonie.. Don't know if it's the translator i'm using or the dilect of Frech, but every time i put Coupe de Francophonie into it it translates as: THE CUT OF FRANOPHONIE....

Also other French written in there comes out funny, like "we allow, therefore, allow..."

Just wierd

You know what is annoying about that is that I see the misspelling so much that sometimes absent mindedly I spell Jerusalem, the city, wrong.

Actually, Jeruselem is very common misspelling. Type into google and see how many hits you get.

I think Tadjikstan is a correct spelling.

By the way, for those who wanted to know which NSWiki articles are completed (sort of like featured article status), you can now put {{Complete}} in your article and a message will appear at the bottom certifying its completeness. I created this so I knew what articles I was done with.

Nope, it's Tajikstan in real life. Nationstates nations cannot be named exactly the same as real life nations.

About the Coupe de Francophonie.. Don't know if it's the translator i'm using or the dilect of Frech, but every time i put Coupe de Francophonie into it it translates as: THE CUT OF FRANOPHONIE....

Also other French written in there comes out funny, like "we allow, therefore, allow..."

Just wierd

couper means to cut

Nope, it's Tajikstan in real life. Nationstates nations cannot be named exactly the same as real life nations.

I just looked it up on wiki...Tajikistan frequently appeared as Tadjikistan or Tadzhikistan in English. Not to mention Tadjikistan redirects to Tajikistan
(not to be a smartass or anything...)

So you can't be a RL nation...interesting

Congratulations Adi'han and Novapsolu for now being the Official Hosts for World Cup 37

Thanks, Baz, and thanks to the rest for the apathy/vote of confidence :p

This will be my last posting until Saturday at the earliest, as I'm travelling until then, but to answer various things posted/asked in the thread:

For Baz: Amendment I to Proposal 1093 will be re-posted this weekend, once I have my computer, and access to the file.

World Cup 37 Signups will be left open until at least Saturday, August 25. The deadline may be extended until afterwards, depending on the numbers, and the fact that no scorination will likely be possible until after the completion of the BoF. On that note, I kindly ask Sel and the Archregimancy to attempt to run it as efficiently (from a time standpoint) as possible please, as we probably don't want a gap of more than two weeks between cups.

Anyways, I'll be back on Saturday, and able to answer questions and such then.

Quakmybush is based on a random name i found while searching around on wiki, which was Quakenbush.

Quakmybush is based on a random name i found while searching around on wiki, which was Quakenbush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=GO&search=quakenbush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_the_Red-Nosed_Reindeer_%28TV_special%29)

World Cup 37 Signups will be left open until at least Saturday, August 25. The deadline may be extended until afterwards, depending on the numbers, and the fact that no scorination will likely be possible until after the completion of the BoF. On that note, I kindly ask Sel and the Archregimancy to attempt to run it as efficiently (from a time standpoint) as possible please, as we probably don't want a gap of more than two weeks between cups.

We're looking at a draw sometime by 1 September (I hope). After that...4 group matchdays, quarterfinals, semifinals, third place, and first place. So about 9 or 10 days starting with the draw. I might be able to post the draw while I'm on vacation, if I do it by Saturday and write up the draw post, email it to myself, then post it from my dad's laptop while on vacation. This assumes we will have internet access, which we probably will.

We're looking at a draw sometime by 1 September (I hope). After that...4 group matchdays, quarterfinals, semifinals, third place, and first place. So about 9 or 10 days starting with the draw. I might be able to post the draw while I'm on vacation, if I do it by Saturday and write up the draw post, email it to myself, then post it from my dad's laptop while on vacation. This assumes we will have internet access, which we probably will.

To which I'll only add that this is entirely Sel's show - he's doing all of the scorination, group draws, RP bonuses, etc. I'm merely giving him advice in a mentoring capacity.

The only reason I'd take over completely is if Sel vanishes, has an emergency that causes him to lose NS access, etc.

To which I'll only add that this is entirely Sel's show - he's doing all of the scorination, group draws, RP bonuses, etc. I'm merely giving him advice in a mentoring capacity.

The only reason I'd take over completely is if Sel vanishes, has an emergency that causes him to lose NS access, etc.

Which is EXTREMELY HIGHLY VERY UNLIKELY...unless some extreme "Act of God" occurs...

Which is EXTREMELY HIGHLY VERY UNLIKELY...unless some extreme "Act of God" occurs...

You looked the weather around the world lately? :p
Floods, fires, hurricanes, drought ...

From a purely practical perspective, this means Vuam and Isma is eligible for the BoF. Starblaydia is also eligible to both enter the World Cup and sign up for the Baptism of Fire should he choose to do so.

Surely I'm not eligible quite yet? My KPB won't drop to 0 until after WC37, surely, as my last cup was 34. I just hope whoever hosts the BoF in WC38 will be letting me in ;)

My only other point is on 2-time BoF nations, I'd say that you get one BoF and one only, with no second bite at the cherry. But who am I to dictate that policy? hehe.

Surely Tajikistan and Tadjikistan are merely different transliterations of the same name? Same with Jerusalem/Jeruselem?

There has been a minor debate about a potentially controversial plan for World Cup 37 that has appeared in the Ad’ihan – Novapsolu hosting thread that I think should be canvassed in the more widely read discussion thread. The plan is of concern to me for the reasons I will give below.

We'd probably go with 15 groups of 6. This would provide for 10 matches, which we feel is not prohibitively short for qualifying, and for even-numbered groups, which tends to be neater, with no byes to worry about. The playoffs for that format would place the group runner ups in one pot, and the 3rd placed teams in another pot, so that you aren't drawn against a team of the same seed. The playoffs will be two-leg, home and home affairs.

1. 10 matches is too few. For most entrants the qualifying games will be the only opportunity they have to contribute. 8 teams with 14 matches is ideal. 10 teams with 18 matches is too many. This is not, however, the really worrying thing about the proposal.

2. The suggestion is that half the teams – yes, half - in the World Cup Proper will have to get there via a play-off lottery. I believe this trivialises the qualifying process. Teams will go through a 10 game qualifying round, then 32 teams will have all this suddenly count for nothing as they face the prospect of elimination on the basis of one bad score. Qualification should be the reward for consistent good results. Any team, no matter what their KPB, can have a bad day – witness Bettia in the 2nd round of World Cup 36.

3. In my view no qualifying system should subject the 2nd placed team in a group of 6 to the threat of play-offs.

Please consider the following hypothetical situation:

The top two teams in Group A (eg Phewia and Lucklessland) each finish the qualifying games with one loss each – against each other. Due to the poorer head to head results Lucklessland goes to the play-offs. (Lucklessland’s results 10-9-0-1-27 points)

In Group B the two top teams similarly dominate and the bottom 4 teams share their results around. Arseland sneaks into third by beating the bottom team twice. (Arseland’s results 10-4-0-6-12 points)

In the play-offs Lucklessland plays Killerteam and the scores are 2-1 at home and 1-3 away. Lucklessland is eliminated. Arseland plays Nomercy and the scores are 3-1 at home and 1-2 away. Arseland qualifies.

The comparative tables after 12 games reads Lucklessland 12-10-0-2-30 points and Arseland 12-5-0-7-15 points. I think Lucklessland could be justified in feeling unfairly robbed.

For sure, I have chosen extreme results, however the 16th best qualifying team at the end of qualifying should not, imo, be penalised by being brought back to the same level as the 45th best qualifier.

4. Play-offs are too random and should only be used to fill the last few places where there is an untidy number of entrants. They should not become a fundamental method of selection for half the World Cup places.

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The hosts have also suggested something else that is odd.

World Cup 37 Signups will be left open until at least Saturday, August 25. The deadline may be extended until afterwards, depending on the numbers, and the fact that no scorination will likely be possible until after the completion of the BoF. On that note, I kindly ask Sel and the Archregimancy to attempt to run it as efficiently (from a time standpoint) as possible please, as we probably don't want a gap of more than two weeks between cups.

The BoF hasn’t even started yet. Please wait until nearer the end of the BoF before closing signups. We should give teams every opportunity to enter.

Thank you for your patience.

Again, as I have noted, I have not been able to talk to Legal about this yet and I would really appreciate some patience until the weekend, when I'll have the time to discuss it with him.

As to your second point about signups closing, I'd like to point out it was a date set on a "no earlier than" basis - Legal did not specify an exact closing date.

Jumping on our backs even before the cup starts just because we haven't had time to discuss your point due to our real-life schedules until the end of this week is rather unfair.

Again, as I have noted, I have not been able to talk to Legal about this yet and I would really appreciate some patience until the weekend, when I'll have the time to discuss it with him.

As to your second point about signups closing, I'd like to point out it was a date set on a "no earlier than" basis - Legal did not specify an exact closing date.

Jumping on our backs even before the cup starts just because we haven't had time to discuss your point due to our real-life schedules until the end of this week is rather unfair.

I'll be patient. As mentioned at the start of my post above I wanted my concerns to be widely read. I don't mean to be unfair - after all, you are the one with the discretion on how to run the cup, not me.

Surely Tajikistan and Tadjikistan are merely different transliterations of the same name? Same with Jerusalem/Jeruselem?

Actually you could call me Salem too and still be correct, as the city called Salem was changed to Jerusalem later according to the bible.

Nationstates nations cannot be named exactly the same as real life nations.I'm guessing the case is that names of real life countries were taken very early on, not expressly prohibited. Count me in the "first choice was taken" club too.

I'm guessing the case is that names of real life countries were taken very early on, not expressly prohibited. Count me in the "first choice was taken" club too.

Having originally joined NationStates seven or eight weeks after its public release, I'm sure I can recall an Australia and a United States of America as well as other RL nation names.

Yes, real nation names were among the first to go, they were never expressly prohibited.

I'm guessing Quahog was chosen because Quohog was already taken, from memory.

And my nation was orginally to be Spam, as an inside joke with a friend, but it was already taken. So I changed it to Spaam, and it has stuck (for over 4 years now).

You looked the weather around the world lately? :p
Floods, fires, hurricanes, drought ...

Not to mention the giant (other half of the twin) oak tree that fell from my property onto the neighbor's...

Surely I'm not eligible quite yet? My KPB won't drop to 0 until after WC37, surely, as my last cup was 34. I just hope whoever hosts the BoF in WC38 will be letting me in ;)

My only other point is on 2-time BoF nations, I'd say that you get one BoF and one only, with no second bite at the cherry. But who am I to dictate that policy? hehe.

Vote for Sel!

Surely Tajikistan and Tadjikistan are merely different transliterations of the same name? Same with Jerusalem/Jeruselem?

Most likely...Jerusalem should be Yerushalayim.

Vote for Sel!

Hey, if you do a good job with this BoF/Hatchling Cup of yours then there's absolutely no reason why you shouldn't do it again, as well as moving up to Cups of Harmony and the World Cup itself.

There has been a minor debate about a ...

As LE said, the deadline is not a hard and fast deadline, but rather the absolutely earliest that one would be set. On a side note, Sel is free to close signups for the BoF/Hatchling Cup at any time he wishes, and thumbs up to him for the prep work so far.

Additionally, as I stressed in the hosting bid thread (to which I'll add a handy link here eventually), groups of 6 are absolutely the worst-case scenario, with groups of more than 8 just above it. I don't wish to reveal too much without talking with my co-host, but my personal inclination will be to close the full list (and start the waiting list) at 98 teams (including the hosts), giving us our ideal situation of 12 groups of 8, meaning the top 2 go through automatically, with the 3rd-placed entrants playing off.

In other words, Erri, your concerns, while noted, are a little premature, and a situation we hope to avoid.

I will be back sometime tomorrow (and hopefully on IRC by then) to start answering questions, etc.

With the end of the World Cup and the Cup of Harmony, these are the new rankings:

Link for download (http://www.savefile.com/files/999886) (Warn me if you find any error)

With the end of the World Cup and the Cup of Harmony, these are the new rankings:

Link for download (http://www.savefile.com/files/999799) (Warn me if you find any error)

(I tested the download. When it finished, it said that the file is corrupted, but OpenOffice recovered it without problems)
So apparently it takes thirty cups to get ranked higher than third… :p

Not sure where you got a maximum of ten games for CoH28 from: it's six, or seven for the teams who played in the repechage. (Three in group stage, plus a repechage match, plus three knockout games.)

Corrected it now, the correct number of games for the last CoH is 6. The repechage isn't counted (as the playoffs in the WC qualifiers (and The Holy Empire - Squornshelous's one in the WC) aren't too).

Will post the new link soon. -----> Here it is, the link for download (http://www.savefile.com/files/999886)

(Sorry, I just didn't change the number of games, so it was counted as the same of the 27th CoH...)

Aha, that makes sense. The repechage merely determines, of course, whether there is a chance to earn more points through quarter-finals and beyond. :) Thanks. Knew it had to be something simple like that :)

Wow, I'm top of the WC36 cohort now... and this cohort are easily outperforming those that came in at WC35, which might possibly be vindication for TLC's bizarro format for the BoF :)

And for those of us who don't have ODS (which is just about everybody) here is the top 32:

1 Ariddia 57.71428571
2 Capitalizt SLANI 47.96904762
3 Elves Security Forces 47.54761905
4 Errinundera 45.45952381
5 Schiavonia 45.1547619
6 Bettia 45.0452381
7 Az-cz 40.74761905
8 Vilita 36.25714286
9 Milchama 34.88809524
10 Zwangzug 34.77619048
11 Jeruselem 33.36904762
12 Demot 33.31904762
13 The Holy Empire 32.14285714
14 Squornshelous 31.19285714
15 Bazalonia 30.98809524
16 Wentland 30.74285714
17 The Lowland Clans 30.53571429
18 Cafundéu 30.45833333
19 Oliverry 29.53571429
20 The Archregimancy 28.53333333
21 Sel Appa 28.42857143
22 Fmjphoenix 27.37619048
23 Qazox 23.84285714
24 Tynelia 23.5547619
25 Turori 23.23809524
26 Quakmybush 22.08809524
27 Rejistania 21.11666667
28 Bostopia 21.11309524
29 The HURD 21.06547619
30 Yafor 2 20.75714286
31 Northern Bettia 19.71428571
32 Estresse Intenso 16.86904762

I can't download Cafundeu's table so it will be useful to know if we have the same results. Please advise.

Includes WC36 matches up until the final
Includes CoH28 matches up until final

Sum of:
WC36F points * 8 (incl 3 pt bonus) / 7
WC36Q points * 4 / 14
WC35F points * 4 (incl 3 pt bonus) / 7
WC35Q points * 2 / 10
WC34F points * 2 (incl 3 pt bonus) / 7
WC34Q points * 1 / 12

Congratulations to Ariddia. There will be a ful match report later today.

Wow, I'm top of the WC36 cohort now... and this cohort are easily outperforming those that came in at WC35, which might possibly be vindication for TLC's bizarro format for the BoF :)

Mmm. Very suspicious, that. It all happened in the CoH quarterfinals. ;)

QUARTER-FINAL RESULTS
Kura-Pelland 2 Candelaria And Marquez 0 [scorinated by D2R]
Daehanjeiguk 0 Novapsolu 3
Dance 2 Revolution 2 Kiryu-shi 0
Rejistania 1 Billopesha 1 AET after 1-1; Rejistania win 3-0 on penalties

Good results there for the old guard. :cool:

I'll go ahead and extend that all the way (though with the text not formatted quite as nicely due to pure lack of patience):

Rank Team Points
1 Ariddia 57.71
2 Capitalizt SLANI 47.97
3 Elves Security Forces 47.55
4 Errinundera 45.46
5 Schiavonia 45.15
6 Bettia 45.05
7 Az-cz 40.75
8 Vilita 36.26
9 Milchama 34.89
10 Zwangzug 34.78
11 Jeruselem 33.37
12 Demot 33.32
13 The Holy Empire 32.14
14 Squornshelous 31.19
15 Bazalonia 30.99
16 Wentland 30.74
17 The Lowland Clans 30.54
18 Cafundéu 30.46
19 Oliverry 29.54
20 The Archregimancy 28.53
21 Sel Appa 28.43
22 Fmjphoenix 27.38
23 Qazox 23.84
24 Tynelia 23.55
25 Turori 23.24
26 Quakmybush 22.09
27 The HURD 21.92
28 Rejistania 21.12
29 Bostopia 21.11
30 Yafor 2 20.76
31 Northern Bettia 19.71
32 Estresse Intenso 16.86
33 Atheistic Right 16.30
34 Kiryu-shi 16.03
35 Assegai Developments 15.98
36 Jasīʼyūn 15.95
37 Acapais 15.67
38 Green wombat 15.58
39 Geisenfried 14.23
40 Sativaville 13.18
41 Swilatia 12.11
42 Lovisa 11.55
43 Spruitland 11.00
44 Kura-Pelland 10.59
45 Dance 2 Revolution 10.46
46 Grotewohl 10.31
47 St. Samuel 10.25
48 Daehanjeiguk 10.00
49 Jariss 9.95
50 Novapsolu 9.89
51 Kampfers 9.71
52 Bushes Been Quaked 9.70
53 Vephrall 9.17
54 Kristovenia 8.97
55 Candelaria and Marquez 8.78
56 Cookesland 8.50
57 Endmile 8.36
58 The Islands of Qutar 7.26
59 Patusan 7.20
60 Ulzaxid 6.96
61 Turruth Gordur 6.47
62 Rugiero 6.36
63 Western Afghanistan 6.03
64 Sorthern Northland 5.97
65 British Londinium 5.17
66 Bercktesgaden 5.14
67 Bellzantium 5.09
68 Ad'ihan 4.90
69 Ropa-Topia 4.87
70 Keyne Island 4.51
71 Aurendia 4.51
72 Billopesha 4.49
73 TT Lake Side 4.21
74 Jeru FC 4.16
75 Fort Europe 4.05
76 Non-RPing Noob 3.96
77 Trumanistan 3.76
78 Nedalia 3.67
79 Kansiov 3.57
80 Planting 3.46
81 New Montreal States 3.43
82 The Sons of a Monkey 3.32
83 Northern Caesarea 3.31
84 United Island Empires 3.28
85 Niosis 3.27
86 Thelema Abbey 3.17
87 Herchimer 3.03
88 Abu Omar 3.00
89 Cebumopolis 2.97
90 Collonie 2.86
91 Tylero 2.79
92 Starblaydia 2.77
93 Fargess 2.70
94 Veitau 2.65
94 Unkown Suburbia 2.65
96 Nitrodymium 2.61
97 Kuosio 2.25
98 Suze-la-Rousse 2.20
99 Shmibabway 2.13
100 Daughrty 1.95
101 Delesa 1.80
102 ARealAdvance 1.73
103 Schorteskatascansolani 1.58
104 Salkehachie 1.54
105 Limbrogidlia 1.43
106 Quintessence of Dust 1.42
107 Tolvarus 1.40
107 Cataduanes 1.40
109 Okielahoma 1.33
109 Rorysville 1.33
109 West Pasco 1.33
109 Algal states 1.33
109 Marceau State 1.33
109 Kericia 1.33
115 Clesmire 1.30
116 Haraki 1.25
117 Cravan 1.20
118 Oglethorpia 1.17
118 East Lithuania 1.17
120 Rossglass 1.15
120 Jaredcohenia 1.15
122 The Canelandic Islands 1.14
122 Kilmarnockshire 1.14
124 J-Man2k7 1.08
124 Cooksborough 1.08
126 Nerotika 1.00
127 SS Oakland 0.92
128 Willink 0.90
129 The Comrade Emirates 0.86
129 Homieville 0.86
131 Raging Penguins 0.83
131 Ghost Tigers Rise 0.83
131 Mekhule 0.83
134 Magnus Valerius 0.75
134 Holweg 0.75
136 Random Toast 0.67
136 American Fist 0.67
138 Shackfold 0.59
139 Kingsford 0.58
139 Junista 0.58
141 Kedalfax 0.57
142 St. Paul's Isle 0.50
142 Netherwallop 0.50
144 The Macabees 0.42
145 Alexandrian Ptolemais 0.33
146 Kirmarnockshire 0.30
147 Niorthemme 0.29
147 Central Prestonia 0.29
149 Gnejs 0.17

Dropping out of the rankings:
150 Nebuleux 0.00
150 Liverpool England 0.00
150 Lethislavania 0.00
150 Kulikova 0.00
150 The Aqua Moose 0.00
150 Tanah Burung 0.00
150 San Monticaz 0.00
150 Philodox Weltschmerz 0.00
150 Cuation 0.00
150 Croisland 0.00
150 Cluichstan 0.00
150 Casari 0.00
150 Krytenia 0.00
150 Kelssek 0.00
150 Etres Vrais 0.00
150 Druida 0.00

EDIT: This is with the number of CoH matches fixed, btw.

Congrats to Ariddia! Wh00t!

Ok Erri, it was funny the first time, but this...

Ok Erri, it was funny the first time, but this...

Yeah, I'm actually with Sel on this. Also, where did The HURD come from to jump above me and Rejis after Erri had The HURD 29th, and they're now 27th according to the new sheet. Weird.

Yeah, I'm actually with Sel on this. Also, where did The HURD come from to jump above me and Rejis after Erri had The HURD 29th, and they're now 27th according to the new sheet. Weird.

It was a mistake, pure and simple. Unlike others here I have no beef, or should I say textured vegetable protein, with Sel Appa. The table was copied from a previous post and thus the error carried on. My apologies.

Erri joins the "Those cheese-eating surrender monkeys Ariddia beat us in a World Cup final" list! That's me, Bettia and Erri now.

Erri joins the "Those cheese-eating surrender monkeys Ariddia beat us in a World Cup final" list! That's me, Bettia and Erri now.

VIVA ARIDDIE!

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Template:Official_World_Ranks

Because I am so gracious and benevolent, I bestow my great beneficence to the great people of Nationstates the Official World Football Ranks Template!


It has been updated to reflect current KPB ranks post-WC36.

Peace gifts and tributes of gratitude may be offered through our Imperial Office of Gifts and Tributes from Foreign States (people studying Chinese might understand what "waiguo" really means...)

Anyways, I've got what seems to be at least four people wanting to participate in the OFC. If you're an oriental country and have no reason to loiter on Nationstates now that WC36 is over, and the sign-ups for WC37 are still in progress, why not satiate your lust by signing up to compete in the OFC? After all, it's where you belong; family.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536058

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Template:Official_World_Ranks

Because I am so gracious and benevolent, I bestow my great beneficence to the great people of Nationstates the Official World Football Ranks Template!


It has been updated to reflect current KPB ranks post-WC36.

Peace gifts and tributes of gratitude may be offered through our Imperial Office of Gifts and Tributes from Foreign States (people studying Chinese might understand what "waiguo" really means...)

Where exactly does that go on an NSWiki...?

Where exactly does that go on an NSWiki...?

On the "Football" article.

(Okay, I cheated by using "What links here". :p)

On the "Football" article.

(Okay, I cheated by using "What links here". :p)

But isn't that redundant if it's only for one article?

Oh ye of little faith!

Know ye not the ways of Wiki?

But isn't that redundant if it's only for one article?

not anymore!

not anymore!

I don't get it, but ok whatever...

VIVE ARIDDIE!

fixed

Also, the note I made that NS nations may not be named after real world countries is not because they were taken early on. For whatever reason, naming your nation exactly the same as a real life country was forbidden from the beginning.

fixed

oh shyte *shamed*...'twas a typo..or brainfart!

oh shyte *shamed*...'twas a typo..or brainfart!

You lapsed into Spanish for a moment, that's all. No biggie.

It would probably be Vive L'Arridie too, if we want to get technical. Arridia would know for sure.

You lapsed into Spanish for a moment, that's all. No biggie.

It would probably be Vive L'Ariddie too, if we want to get technical. Ariddia would know for sure.

fixed :p

only inn this world can you get confused over the language in which you choose to speak...:rolleyes:

Nonsense. I regularly inadvertently break out into Spanish during German class. :p

Nonsense. I regularly inadvertently break out into Spanish during German class. :p

It's actually called code-switching and is very common for bilingual people. I've done it with French or almost done it a lot of times...usually after French class.

My mistake was not that though. Either a typo or I just put A without thinking...

fixed

Also, the note I made that NS nations may not be named after real world countries is not because they were taken early on. For whatever reason, naming your nation exactly the same as a real life country was forbidden from the beginning.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I am sure I can remember nations with RL names early on.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I am sure I can remember nations with RL names early on.

I distinctly remember when joining that somewhere it was specified that nations were not allowed to be named after real life countries. Perhaps something happened in '02 or early '03 to cause this rule to be made.

WTG Ariddia on your title.

I distinctly remember when joining that somewhere it was specified that nations were not allowed to be named after real life countries. Perhaps something happened in '02 or early '03 to cause this rule to be made.

What sucks about these early nations is that I was one of them, possibly VERY early on...I just had no idea what to do and let it go. I don't even remember my nation. I found it again almost 3 years ago and was like "I've been here before..."

fixed :p

I always do that for some reason.

What sucks about these early nations is that I was one of them, possibly VERY early on...I just had no idea what to do and let it go. I don't even remember my nation. I found it again almost 3 years ago and was like "I've been here before..."

I did something similar... except I made a bunch of UN puppets and messed around with a region, and got a bunch of nations deleted. >.> I can't remember any of their names, though.

Thank you all. ;) I'll get an RP out today for the final.

To answer the question, 'Ariddia' remains 'l'Ariddia' in Ariddian French, despite the unusual -ia ending. Originally this was so that both anglophones and francophones in Ariddia would be using the same name. With Wymgani calling it Ahitia (with some regional variations) this has lost its initial purpose, but francophones continue to call it Ariddia out of habit.

Foreign francophones may of course refer to it as 'l'Ariddie'.

Thank you all. ;) I'll get an RP out today for the final.

To answer the question, 'Ariddia' remains 'l'Ariddia' in Ariddian French, despite the unusual -ia ending. Originally this was so that both anglophones and francophones in Ariddia would be using the same name. With Wymgani calling it Ahitia (with some regional variations) this has lost its initial purpose, but francophones continue to call it Ariddia out of habit.

Foreign francophones may of course refer to it as 'l'Ariddie'.

I won't know Coupe results until I get back. :(

This'll probably be my last post for a whole week. "A week without Sel?!?! What will we do!!" :D:p:cool:

On a final note, if you or your puppet need to professionally contract a terrorist attack, Lead Phoenix (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Lead_Phoenix) is back in business with a Terrorism Storefront (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=536543)! (They also do hits...)

Three miscellaneous topics in a single post (this is my first time reading through the discussion thread for a couple of days):


1) First of all, a warm round of congratulations to the co-hosts and both finalists of WC36. This has been one of the best Cups I've participated in for a while. The organisation was first rate, and we had two strongly-involved excellent RPers contesting the final. Feel free to give yourselves big pats on the back!

And the Archregimancy even won something... though I'd rather have a semi-final spot than a fair play award ;)


2) A procedural BoF issue: It's been stated here by the next WC hosts that Sel Appa is free to close BoF entries _before_ WC sign-ups close.

Is this really the done thing? I'm honestly not sure here, which is why I'm asking. It strikes me as fairer to close both sign-ups simultaneously, but I want to canvass broader opinion before giving Sel any advice on the issue.


3) On the linguistic confusion front.... Believe me, I sympathise. I switched my first language twice when I was a child (English -> French -> back to English), subsequently found myself living in Iceland as a teenager, then spent several spells working in Welsh-speaking Wales, and my wife's first language is Russian. I frequently found myself trying to apply Icelandic grammar to Welsh when I was making my pathetic attempt to learn the latter. Meanwhile, conversations at home can sometimes take a bizarre turn if I ask my wife "where's the miel?" and she answers by telling me "the honey's in the буфете".


And while we're on the topic.... in the Coupe, wouldn't 'Godmod' in French RP instructions potentially sound better if turned into Dieumod?

As for #2 and the only one I have any legitimacy in at all...

I know as president that it's actually quite standard for the BoF to close before the proper World Cup. Particularily as 2 different hosting teams have 2 different organisational requirements.

There is no logisitical reason why they have to be the same...

I even know of potential BoF players that have signed up after the Bof has already been closed/started

Meanwhile, conversations at home can sometimes take a bizarre turn if I ask my wife "where's the miel?" and she answers by telling me "the honey's in the буфете".


Hehe... Well, see the positive side to it. ;) Multi-lingualism gives you insights into all those different ways of thinking.


And while we're on the topic.... in the Coupe, wouldn't 'Godmod' in French RP instructions potentially sound better if turned into Dieumod?

That... just sounds... wrong. I don't think there is a translation, and I can't think of one that would sound 'natural'.

I'm thinking of hosting a friendly Under-21 cup - yes, I know, I'm turning properly into TnUI now - in order to get some new & future Starblaydi players some international stats and experience. This would have a fairly huge RP bonus and be full of many-a-goal, plus a little light entertainment.

I've proposed this idea in #nssport and been resoundingly mocked by the flotsam and jetsam in there, and I'm wondering if any regular, non-IRC geeks might want to join it :) Any takers?

I'm thinking of hosting a friendly Under-21 cup - yes, I know, I'm turning properly into TnUI now - in order to get some new & future Starblaydi players some international stats and experience. This would have a fairly huge RP bonus and be full of many-a-goal, plus a little light entertainment.

I've proposed this idea in #nssport and been resoundingly mocked by the flotsam and jetsam in there, and I'm wondering if any regular, non-IRC geeks might want to join it :) Any takers?

Hey... I didn't mock you... I was just conspicuously quiet

I'm thinking of hosting a friendly Under-21 cup - yes, I know, I'm turning properly into TnUI now - in order to get some new & future Starblaydi players some international stats and experience. This would have a fairly huge RP bonus and be full of many-a-goal, plus a little light entertainment.

I've proposed this idea in #nssport and been resoundingly mocked by the flotsam and jetsam in there, and I'm wondering if any regular, non-IRC geeks might want to join it :) Any takers?

What's the timing planned to be like?

What's the timing planned to be like?

For the first week in September I'm away on holiday, so it'd be just after that. Probably a round-robin with the top two (assuming there are more than two entrants, of course) going for a final.

Hopefully about 8/9 matchdays, but I'd still be comfortable with 5 or 6.

For the first week in September I'm away on holiday, so it'd be just after that. Probably a round-robin with the top two (assuming there are more than two entrants, of course) going for a final.

Hopefully about 8/9 matchdays, but I'd still be comfortable with 5 or 6.

Sounds good, I have an U21 female team - it's playing in the Frenchie cup right now. I use U21 teams for non WC and non BoF tournies. If I run out of teams, I send in Jeru FC.

OK, so that's two teams, lol. Anyone else interested?

No party without the HURD! Errr, how can robots be U21? Can they be beta-versions?

No party without the HURD! Errr, how can robots be U21? Can they be beta-versions?

Robots with bad firmware ;)

Robots with bad firmware ;)

As I said to Rejis on IRC, they can be Under-21 MHz.

Kura-Pelland would be interested in this too. This will be a good laugh OOCly, and interesting ICly too.

i'd join too.

I'm figuring I'll start sign-ups about the 30th/31s of august, and kick things off on the 6th/7th September when I'm back from holiday.

I may have some Internet access over the first week of Sept, but don't count on it.

Probable line-up so far:
Starblaydia
Jeruselem
The HURD
Kura-Pelland
Quakmybush

With these numbers it's looking like a round robin, playing each team twice. With many more it might be a two-group thing, but we're not there yet.

...First of all, a warm round of congratulations to the co-hosts and both finalists of WC36. This has been one of the best Cups I've participated in for a while. The organisation was first rate, and we had two strongly-involved excellent RPers contesting the final. Feel free to give yourselves big pats on the back...

Thanks for your kind words. I agree that the hosts did a fantastic job.

This may be heretical (though not in the Archregimancy sense) but I think NSWC is going through a golden age at the moment. There are a large number of regular RPers, good new RPers are coming through, and old-timers are coming back. The various competitions are running smoothly and there is very little whingeing.

This is the best I've seen the WC since WC12-ish, I think. (And bear in mind that under a different persona, I've been here since WC7, though with a short break in the early 20s and a long break in the late 20s/early 30s.)

This has been a fantastic cohort of newbies, and their impressive rank (helped by RP bonus) reflects that. (I'm 44th, above all the WC35 cohort, and fellow returnee D2R is right behind me; Daehanjeiguk, C&M and others are also right up into good rankings.)

That... just sounds... wrong. I don't think there is a translation, and I can't think of one that would sound 'natural'.

Fair enough - though I'm slightly surprised our resident Quebecois hasn't launched a broadside at the use of Franglais in a Coupe de la Francophonie ;)

Count The Islands of Qutar in!

Incidentally, AIF and I apparently aren't the only remaining WC1 nations in existence. Der Angst (http://www.nationstates.net/Der_Angst) still exists. They were the first ever nation to sign up to take part in the World Cup (after me, obviously).

I think I'd participate in a U-20 competition too... (I participate in nearly everything)

I started in NS with a nation called Holy Latin Empire around Feb 2003 and Jeruselem was created later in July 2003. I only started World Cupping from WC11.

New NSWIKI entry for future RPs
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Kate_Dallas

Congrats to Jeru for triple post

Congrats to Jeru for triple post

I wish Jolt would fix that bug!

Congrats to Jeru for triple post

For the first triple post of the new WCDT!

Jolt fixes many things, but they never quite work the same afterwards.

For the first triple post of the new WCDT!

Yes, the spinning disc of spam on my IE7 tab got me again. Only happens on Jolt for some reason.

I'm thinking of hosting a friendly Under-21 cup - yes, I know, I'm turning properly into TnUI now - in order to get some new & future Starblaydi players some international stats and experience. This would have a fairly huge RP bonus and be full of many-a-goal, plus a little light entertainment.

I've proposed this idea in #nssport and been resoundingly mocked by the flotsam and jetsam in there, and I'm wondering if any regular, non-IRC geeks might want to join it :) Any takers?

I'd love to be in this. U 21s tournaments are always so fun plus I get to make up more names!

Also why does everybody insist on making scores threads, roster threads and RP threads for non-WC tourneys? It always made sense for the WC because of the mass numbers of people but for a 12 team tourney like the French Cup why? 1 thread is much easier and makes a lot more sense.

Also why does everybody insist on making scores threads, roster threads and RP threads for non-WC tourneys?

The OXEN Cup is an all-in one type of thread, has the Signups, Rosters, RPing and Scores in 1.. a 4 for 1 thing going on there.

As for the Baseball one, It should be only 2 threads. One for sign-up and disscussion and the other for RPing/Scores/Rostesr.

And the Olympics definitely needs at least 3 threads, one for sign-ups/Rosters, One for RPing and one for Scores.

The OXEN Cup is an all-in one type of thread, has the Signups, Rosters, RPing and Scores in 1.. a 4 for 1 thing going on there.

As for the Baseball one, It should be only 2 threads. One for sign-up and disscussion and the other for RPing/Scores/Rostesr.

And the Olympics definitely needs at least 3 threads, one for sign-ups/Rosters, One for RPing and one for Scores.

I know the U21 threads used to be just two - the RP/Roster/Scores and Signup one.

This was tossed around on IRC today, but before making a decision on it, I figured it'd be good to talk about it here first:

At this moment, 91 nations are signed up for the World Cup. Of them, 20 are puppets. So, with 71 users participating, this means that nearly half of the field are controlled by just over a quarter of the participants. Additionally, 8 puppets currently sit in the Top 50 in the KPB rankings, meaning that a third of the top 50 in the World are controlled by a mere 8 people. For all the talk of this being a new golden age, the small number of users contributing to it is disconcerting.

Therefore, we are proposing the return of the Colony Cup. For those who are unfamiliar with it, the Colony Cup would be a pre-qualifying tournament, in which all puppets would compete, with the top-ranking puppets advancing to World Cup Qualifying. If this is done, the total qualifying field will be set at either 70, 72, or 80, with the deadline coming this week; the difference between the set limit on the field and the number of main nations would be the number of spots open through the CC. Additionally, I'd propose that active RP-ing nations who are left out of qualifying due to the CC still be allowed the opportunity to participate in the next CoH, if they wish.

Any thoughts from the gallery on this?

This was tossed around on IRC today, but before making a decision on it, I figured it'd be good to talk about it here first:

At this moment, 91 nations are signed up for the World Cup. Of them, 20 are puppets. So, with 71 users participating, this means that nearly half of the field are controlled by just over a quarter of the participants. Additionally, 8 puppets currently sit in the Top 50 in the KPB rankings, meaning that a third of the top 50 in the World are controlled by a mere 8 people. For all the talk of this being a new golden age, the small number of users contributing to it is disconcerting.

Therefore, we are proposing the return of the Colony Cup. For those who are unfamiliar with it, the Colony Cup would be a pre-qualifying tournament, in which all puppets would compete, with the top-ranking puppets advancing to World Cup Qualifying. If this is done, the total qualifying field will be set at either 70, 72, or 80, with the deadline coming this week; the difference between the set limit on the field and the number of main nations would be the number of spots open through the CC. Additionally, I'd propose that active RP-ing nations who are left out of qualifying due to the CC still be allowed the opportunity to participate in the next CoH, if they wish.

Any thoughts from the gallery on this?

For some clarification for those of us (me included) that weren't around when the Colony Cup was in existance.

When will it be run in relations to the WCQ?

What about hosts?

How will the hosts determine how many advance to the WCQ?

What about hosts?

I just had a completely separate, and probably completely insane idea: What if a pair of hosts offered to host the BoF, WC and CoH in their bid?

I imagine that if it came to pass, it would either be totally brilliant or an unmitigated disaster. Anyway, back to the Colony Cup talk...

Notes from Az-cz:

1. Two consecutive cups correctly predicted from wire to wire. Unfortunately both of them were just predicting the team who won two cups earlier.

2. It's nice to see that changing the host bidding rules led to so many more host bids. :p

3. How will you determine which teams should advance from a colony cup. On it's face it seems like a bad idea unless the KpBs get reworked. Why should puppets be denied the chance at qualifying points from the World Cup?

4. To those wondering about the Audioslavian Curse it's only kicked in since they retired from international play, so World Cup 30. If you look at the teams who have finished second since them all have fallen off after they did so, with the exception of Ariddia, who clearly doesn't count because they won twice before finishing second with both titles coming after Audioslavia retired. So they're clearly in no way like Audioslavia. But us, Jeruselem, Milchama, New Montreal States and Starblaydia all suffer from it.

I am completely against this idea of a Colony Cup through and through.

1. Colony - I'd like to see as many different players in the Proper as possible. Also, I'm not that fussed about my own puppet so I'm happy to go with the Colony Cup.

2. Recently, Daehanjeiguk very kindly put the KPB rankings on the NSwiki Football page. Someone has since cut it down to the top 10 and provided a link to what should be the full list except it's in serious need of repair. Any chance the person who created the template could fix it up? :confused:

New thread... must... catch... up...

Oh hell, not another colony cup. Was absolutely a rank bad idea last time. What's wrong with the premise that if you sign up, you're in? And what's wrong with having massive numbers? One of the cups I hosted (30, I think) had 120 teams entering qualifying. Restricting the numbers to anything less is just plain cowardice!

2. Recently, Daehanjeiguk very kindly put the KPB rankings on the NSwiki Football page. Someone has since cut it down to the top 10 and provided a link to what should be the full list except it's in serious need of repair. Any chance the person who created the template could fix it up? :confused:

LE would be the one to talk to about that. :p (I'd work on fixing it myself, except I have class in 45 minutes.)

Oh hell, not another colony cup. Was absolutely a rank bad idea last time. What's wrong with the premise that if you sign up, you're in? And what's wrong with having massive numbers? One of the cups I hosted (30, I think) had 120 teams entering qualifying. Restricting the numbers to anything less is just plain cowardice!

The total number of teams isn't the issue here; rather it's the sheer proportion of teams that are puppets (almost a quarter). Puppets in and of themselves aren't necessarily a bad thing (Arch/AIF, for instance), but I personally think it's starting to get a little out of hand. Remember that, first and foremost, the World Cup is about RP. As such, what's wrong with weeding out some of the less active puppets in order to give more players (not necessarily more nations) a chance to go to the big dance?

For some clarification for those of us (me included) that weren't around when the Colony Cup was in existance.

When will it be run in relations to the WCQ?

What about hosts?

How will the hosts determine how many advance to the WCQ?

1) It would be a preliminary phase to qualifying, i.e., it would start as soon as signups are closed, likely later this week.

2) As it's a qualifying preliminary, Ad'ihan and I would host the games- either in tandem, or due to the size of this part of it, just one of us could do it. Keep in mind, all it would be is a pre-cup phase for the puppets.

3) It would be based on performance. Using the current numbers (69 main nations, 20 puppets, 2 hosts), if the field was set at 72, the top 3 finishers in the CC would join the draw for WCQ. Likewise, a field of 80 would allow the top 11 in.

For those who are wondering why we're considering this: As Veph stated, the number of puppets is getting to be a real concern. As I stated earlier, nearly half the field is controlled by a third of the users. We need to stem the tide, and cut down the number of puppets making the finals.

As such, what's wrong with weeding out some of the less active puppets in order to give more players (not necessarily more nations) a chance to go to the big dance

What's wrong with it is that it doesn't do anything to further that goal. The less active puppets are taking spots in the big dance anyways. The teams that will be excluded are nations like Ulzaxid or Non-RPing noob. But these nations still add value to the cup. I don't understand who this helps.

2. Recently, Daehanjeiguk very kindly put the KPB rankings on the NSwiki Football page. Someone has since cut it down to the top 10 and provided a link to what should be the full list except it's in serious need of repair. Any chance the person who created the template could fix it up? :confused:

I still have the original ranks on an excel format, but it has been agreed that the old list was tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooo long to fit in the articles - so it's being pared at the moment. The new compact design apparently is a lot more work than anticipated, but it should be up and running soon.

My problem with the Colony Cup is mainly IC. Say I were to bring San Adriano back into international football (I've been vaguely considering it). OOCly, San Adriano is my puppet nation. ICly, though, San Adriano is in no way subordinate to Ariddia: it's a fully sovereign independent country (albeit it one you can run through in about 40 seconds flat (http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8046/testsa51yg5.jpg)). What IC grounds would there be for such a puppet to have to go through a "Colony Cup"?

Or am I the only one's who's bothered by this?

Ariddia,

I agree with that as well. Ulzaxid has nothing to do with Az-cz IC. I don't see what the concern is. Good RPers are moving up the ranks.

i don't like the idea of the colony cup either, its just too much more work. I would have to RP that, then RP the qualifying, then RP the proper. You would burn out my already low RP ability.

i don't like the idea of the colony cup either, its just too much more work. I would have to RP that, then RP the qualifying, then RP the proper. You would burn out my already low RP ability.

If it's so low then why do you waste your energies on a puppet too?

I don't RP BBQ that often, but i want them in the tourney still, so id have to RP them in the Colony Cup.

How about, for IC reasons, call it the Collonie Cup after the world famous puppet of... um, *runs off to check* of Milchama! Of course! ;)

How about, for IC reasons, call it the Collonie Cup after the world famous puppet of... um, *runs off to check* of Milchama! Of course! ;)

or, since there will actually be no "Cup", the "Puppet Preliminary Phase". For users whose puppet is not ICly connected, you can just drop the word "Puppet" from there.

with this discussion, it's time to make another Hosting Announcement!

The Puppet Deadline will be Thursday, August 30, at 100 UTC (or Wed, Aug. 29 @ 9:00 PM Eastern (U.S.) Daylight Time). Main nations may still be permitted to sign up after that date.

At that time, a full decision on the qualifying format, including whether or not to include a puppet preliminary phase, will be determined.

So, the countries eliminated in the "Puppet Preliminary Phase", if it happens, will receive no KPB points for the qualifying stage?

Considering that this phase would be part of the qualifiers, I'd say that their performance in it is worth possibly awarding some points. However, that's a question better left for the current KPB calculator.

Yes, some points should be awarded, otherwise brand-new puppets would stand virtually no chance of ever reaching the main qualifying round (Cups of Harmony on their own aren't gonna help them much).

I third Ariddia’s objection—ICly, Jasīʼyūn is in every way (except rank and number of supporters) the equal of Capitalizt SLANI.

Following a discussion in the IRC channel, Bostopia proposes the following to be added to the World Cup body regulations thingy.

"If in the event of there only being one host bid forwarded to the WCC, a vote should still be held, with the options being to the effect of: A: Vote for the prospective bid or B) Re-open bids."

This could of course be used for the WC, BoF or CoH, and is open for amendmends for clarity/as necessary.

For clarification, see post #237 - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13002706&postcount=237

"If in the event of there only being one host bid forwarded to the WCC, a vote should still be held, with the options being to the effect of: A: Vote for the prospective bid or B) Re-open bids."

Re-word B) to read "Plead desperately with anyone currently signed-up to the World Cup to please, please enter a hosting bid - even though they've had months to deliberate on whether to bid or not - because we don't like the only one offered."

I understand that Star, but what it's aiming to do is stop a major change happening to the World Cup without a vote, as is happening currently with the more-than-likely Preliminary Phase for puppets etc, noting the following.

"A party bidding to host a WCC-sanctioned event must declare, before voting starts, any significant changes from the normal operation of the event."

You'll remember there was no vote, as there was only one candidate, so I'm attempting to close a loophole. Like I say, it's open to modification as need be though.

That does actually make sense now, Bos, your proposal didn't, to me, before your example.

It sounds like more red tape but would (hopefully) stop things like colony-cups-from-nowhere popping up. Kinda makes me wish we didn't need to have a rule for this.

That does actually make sense now, Bos, your proposal didn't, to me, before your example.

It sounds like more red tape but would (hopefully) stop things like colony-cups-from-nowhere popping up. Kinda makes me wish we didn't need to have a rule for this.

Yeah I did think clarification was probably required, as only the people in the IRC room at the time we were discussing it will know why I proposed it.

I mean, it wouldn't necessarily stop the colony cup (for example) popping it, people could still vote for the host bid with the colony cup, or the hosts could even decide to compromise and take that bit out as a third option in the vote, ie:

A) Host Bid w/format-modification B) Host Bid w/o modification C) Re-open bidding.

Just an option, really.

For the record, this was not proposed with the intention of popping a colony cup from out of nowhere. Had I thought one would be necessary at the time of bidding, I would have included it. Additionally, nowhere have either myself or Ad'ihan said that this is a done deal. If it were, I'd have just gone ahead and done it, and reaped the consequences later.

That said, I actually like Bostopia's proposal, and will support it.

My problem with the Colony Cup is mainly IC. Say I were to bring San Adriano back into international football (I've been vaguely considering it). OOCly, San Adriano is my puppet nation. ICly, though, San Adriano is in no way subordinate to Ariddia: it's a fully sovereign independent country (albeit it one you can run through in about 40 seconds flat (http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8046/testsa51yg5.jpg)). What IC grounds would there be for such a puppet to have to go through a "Colony Cup"?

Or am I the only one's who's bothered by this?

Absolutely not. I'm adamently and resolutely against the idea of a pre-qualifier Colony Cup for the reasons stated above.

In my case, the Archregimancy is IC'ly a puppet of the Holy Empire/AIF, but I consider the Archregimancy to be my main OOC and RP'ing nation (it's mere accident that AIF is currently ranked ahead of the monks for only the second time since WC25). So I'd risk losing my main nation in some sort of pre-qualifier tournament just because I follow IC formalities over which nation to designate as a puppet.


If possible, I'm even more resolutely against the current hosts magicking a pre-qualifying puppet tournament out of thin air after being awarded hosting rights. I concede that they're within their rights to do so, but I would strongly urge them to consider whether implementing such a major structural change to qualification is sensible when no suggestion was made in the original bid that this was potentially forthcoming. If it had been, I would have launched a last ditch opposition hosting bid just to save us from the concept.

So opposed am I to the idea of implementing a puppet cup at this late stage, that I'm strongly inclined to call a non-binding vote of the EWCC to ask the WCC president to strip the current hosts of their hosting rights if they try to implement one.


That said, I see nothing wrong with doing precisely what Novapsolu has done, which is to announce that sign-ups for puppets are closed while sign-ups for primary nations remain open. This strikes me as by far the simpler and more rational solution to the problem of puppet proliferation, and the one with the least potential to upset people.

§3. The EWCC may vote to replace the host(s) of a WCC-sanctioned event if they are no longer able to proceed as hosts or if there is a serious problem with how the event is run by the host(s). Should this happen, the President must choose the replacement host(s) from available bids.
If such a colony cup was put in, then the EWCC can remove the hosts. If the president called the vote, then only a plurality is required for it to pass. I assume anyone else who wanted to put forward an alternate bid in that case, would automatically receive hosting rights. And as a member of the EWCC, I would also vote against any colony cup.

Please note that a "WCC-Sanctioned Event" has specific meaning according to the WCC Rules... The World Cup, BoF and CoH only. "The WCC shall not interfere in any other event"

Which basically rules out a seperate Colony Cup right away.

@Bos Proposal:

Another option should be....

alter the "before voting begins" to something like, "before a host is to be selected" which closes the loophole. Voting is selecting a host and perhaps adding a phrase "Should changes to the bid be made post selection it is upto presidential discression to invalidate selection."

Please note that a "WCC-Sanctioned Event" has specific meaning according to the WCC Rules... The World Cup, BoF and CoH only. "The WCC shall not interfere in any other event"

Which basically rules out a seperate Colony Cup right away.

Not exactly - the Colony Cup as it has been proposed here, despite its name, is in essence merely a second qualifying round for the World Cup.

That said, I see nothing wrong with doing precisely what Novapsolu has done, which is to announce that sign-ups for puppets are closed while sign-ups for primary nations remain open. This strikes me as by far the simpler and more rational solution to the problem of puppet proliferation, and the one with the least potential to upset people.

This is a good point. Closing puppet signups earlier would indeed help to reduce the relative puppet population a little, and would I'm sure create quite a lot less controversy than is currently going on here.

To me it really doesn't matter much one way or the other, since I have just one nation (not just one nation in the WC, but one period) and don't plan on making a second in the foreseeable future; therefore I'm really not directly affected either way. That said, this rather strong level of opposition makes me inclined to say that perhaps the idea should just be dropped.

A Colony Cup is a bad idea.

It would be yet another chance for Sativaville to choke.


Well if the numbers of Puppets is too high... CUT out the Puppets!

As an alternative, merely set the number of qualifiers to a predetermined number. And only include puppets on a first come first served basis. Puppets should always be second to main nations. Example: 90 qualifiers. You get 75 main nations. Only include the first 15 puppets.

Radically changing the qualifying structure should NOT be done without prior notification. The reason there was no other bids was the assumption that this bid would be 'normal', and so apathy ruled. Doing someone radical removes apathy.

As an alternative, merely set the number of qualifiers to a predetermined number. And only include puppets on a first come first served basis. Puppets should always be second to main nations. Example: 90 qualifiers. You get 75 main nations. Only include the first 15 puppets.

Good Idea Spaam.

Only problem i have with it is that by the time i can get on the computer at night, when there's a sign-up thread, about 45-50 people have beaten me to it, so maybe expand it to 20 puppets or limit it to the top 15 ranked puppets??

Good Idea Spaam.

Only problem i have with it is that by the time i can get on the computer at night, when there's a sign-up thread, about 45-50 people have beaten me to it, so maybe expand it to 20 puppets or limit it to the top 15 ranked puppets??
I don't see where the problem is. It takes DAYS to get that far, so you shouldn't have a problem if you really wanted your puppet in. Having the top 15 ranked might be an idea, though there is a possibility that it would keep out new puppets. I personally don't have a problem with it though.

Good Idea Spaam.

Only problem i have with it is that by the time i can get on the computer at night, when there's a sign-up thread, about 45-50 people have beaten me to it, so maybe expand it to 20 puppets or limit it to the top 15 ranked puppets??

The number of puppets depends on...

1. How many main nations have signed up
2. The number of places dictacted by hosts.

# puppets = 2 - 1

Current numbers of World cups hang around 90-100 lately, so maybe a rule like 20% of current signups can be puppets? Hosts are excluded from this rule.

80 teams, 16 puppets allowed
90 teams, 18 puppets allowed
100 teams, 20 puppets allowed