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Sensi-Soccer with NS teams? Bravo, Caf!

OOC: Cafundéu, do you need to have a PC to play the game? Or can you play it on a Mac?

Yes, Sarz, you can play it on a Mac, all you need is something like Boxer (http://boxerapp.com/) (which is what I use to play all my retro games and such), which just lets you double-click on the appropriate .exe and away you go, like it were a PC from many years ago.

Congratulations to Starblaydia, the new World Champions!

Seconded

Thirded.

By the way is there anyone on here who knows were i could attain a new national flag from somebody who could mak eit at the right side. Also i would need one o for Kos.

Fourthed.

Valanora is now offically bumped back to Germany, as Starblaydia is bumped up to Brazil.

Fifthed.

Tae: You mean the tiny 100 x 70 flags that you see on a country's profile?

[goes off to look at Taeshan's flag]

.........

Born Cool Playahs?

Yeah, it kindoff stupid but yes thats the type of flag i was talking about.

Fourthed.

Valanora is now offically bumped back to Germany, as Starblaydia is bumped up to Brazil.

Nein.

Valanora are still Brazil. Starblaydia are now Italy. :p

Valanora are what America would be if they actually cared about footy.

*sighs at his countrymen's disinterest with the sport*

Maybe in 2150, Val.

As of the moment, I'll cop to Sarzonia being England. Unfortunately. :tongue:

I'd like to be like Scotland myself.

In this light, Nethertopia is one of them vague East-European countries who never qualify. Or summat.

FORZA COREA!!!

if you didn't know that, now you do!

Congrats to Starblaydia, on their fourth title!

Valanora are what America would be if they actually cared about footy.

*sighs at his countrymen's disinterest with the sport*

It's almost better to not even think about it. The state of the sport is so depressing it's unbelievable down south.

Tae: I guarantee absolutely nothing, but what would you want on a flag?

Edit: By the way, where's #nssport? I mean what network is it on?

Thanks for the congratulations, everyone, it's been a fun time :)

I'll put up a half-finished RP for tonight - Caf if you want to take it and run with it from here before I finish it tomorrow then go for it, by all means - and will finish the RP and post the DBC 8 scores tomorrow (yeah I know I'm already late with that).

Edit: By the way, where's #nssport? I mean what network is it on?Esper Net.

A thought just sneaked into my mind. More of an idea, and I'm not sure if it's a good one and it might have even been stated here before, but I'll state it here anyway.

Would it be an idea to create a sort of super cup as opener for a new World Cup cycle, in which the fresh World Champions would face the latest Cup of Harmony winners?

I'll probably write something today, before posting the CoH scores, but I think I won't write a full match report as usual, I will RP with full focus only the penalty shootout (with 1 or 2 introductory paragraphs talking about the game). So, you'll be free to RP the rest of the game, Star.

A thought just sneaked into my mind. More of an idea, and I'm not sure if it's a good one and it might have even been stated here before, but I'll state it here anyway.

Would it be an idea to create a sort of super cup as opener for a new World Cup cycle, in which the fresh World Champions would face the latest Cup of Harmony winners?

Sounds like a good way for the CoH winner to get trashed. :(

Back luck there Caf, I know what is like to lose final.

I don't think we need anything official. If they want to do it, the two teams can always ask for a pre-qualifying friendly.

Qazox is the NS equivalent of Spain/Mexico/Portugal/Russia. They've been good enough to get to the Cup a few times, but don't do anything once they are there.

Qazox is the NS equivalent of Spain/Mexico/Portugal/Russia. They've been good enough to get to the Cup a few times, but don't do anything once they are there.

What about Saudi Arabia? Make the finals and then lose all the group stage games. Jeruselem are like the Netherlands me thinks.

What about Saudi Arabia? Make the finals and then lose all the group stage games. Jeruselem are like the Netherlands me thinks.

I don't always lose every group stage game. (though it seems like it).

Hey just curious, when will the next rankings be worked out?

Hey just curious, when will the next rankings be worked out?

When we're done in the Cup of Harmony. Some of us have to go this route! :p

When we're done in the Cup of Harmony. Some of us have to go this route! :p

Haha that's true. I'm sure I'll learn that after 45 :tongue:

One other thing, is the U21 thing considered to be a year after the WC?

One other thing, is the U21 thing considered to be a year after the WC?

For my own timeline, I pitch the Di Bradini Cup as halfway between WC44 and WC45 (though, strangely, I don't treat the Qualifiers and Finals as separate years.

So, by the Starblaydi Calendar, WC44 was 2090, (AOCAF25 was 2091), DBC8 is 2092 and WC45 will be 2094.

Treat it however you like as long as WC44 has finished and WC45 hasn't begun, hehe, though judging by Newmanistan's many and not-so-varied RPs, the WC Final happened on the same day as MD1 was supposed to be. *shrugs* everyone uses something different, so don't worry about it.

Certainly don't feel obliged to go a route that I did. It is my personal taste to "play overlaps". That is, when I am doing multiple competitions at the same time, to cross-reference them. Gives me something to talk about. The good thing about this is we can all have our timeline.

This is my last cycle of serious RPing, anyway. (though I expect to keep the nation involved) I start training for my new position in three weeks.

By the way is there anyone on here who knows were i could attain a new national flag from somebody who could mak eit at the right side. Also i would need one o for Kos.
You could ask here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=557832)...

One other thing, is the U21 thing considered to be a year after the WC?

Honestly, I think it comes down to your own timeline. For me, I use two years between World Cups, having the Qualifiers during the fall and winter of one year and then the Finals during the summer of the next. The DBC then is during the summer of the year of the Qualifiers.

So basically what I, as well as Star and Newman, have pointed out, it really just depends on your personal tastes.

By the way: is it considered bad form to assume the World Cups etc. basically happen in RL time. While I know this would mean them progressing at a totally improbable rate, and everyone's players would die of heart-attacks, I wondered if there was a general RP consensus against it.

By the way: is it considered bad form to assume the World Cups etc. basically happen in RL time. While I know this would mean them progressing at a totally improbable rate, and everyone's players would die of heart-attacks, I wondered if there was a general RP consensus against it.

The thing about that is this: People sometimes use different time frames to determine the time involved between World Cups. Some use four years between Cups. I used to use one year between Cups when I was last actively involved in RPing.

The concept of fluid time is such that there's no one standard for RPs. It's not one day = one year, or some characters could be born, grow up and die all within the space of a single RP.

By the way: is it considered bad form to assume the World Cups etc. basically happen in RL time. While I know this would mean them progressing at a totally improbable rate, and everyone's players would die of heart-attacks, I wondered if there was a general RP consensus against it.

Pacitalia is, to my knowledge, the biggest proponent of using RL time as his NS time, both in political and sports RPs.

All it comes down to is what date do you want to use? As I said above, it's 2092 in Starblaydia, as based on my nation's history, the 1974 World Cup (blurring real and NS timeframes) would have been the first one we tried to qualify for.

So you can base it on the date your nation currently sits at, or the real life date, or whatever.

Fluid time is a wonderul thing, so don't feel too weirded out if your veterans of eight Cups in a twelve-month period suddenly start playing the grand-children of players they first competed against.

You could ask here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=557832)...

Okay, that guy is freaking awesome.

Pacitalia is, to my knowledge, the biggest proponent of using RL time as his NS time, both in political and sports RPs.

All it comes down to is what date do you want to use? As I said above, it's 2092 in Starblaydia, as based on my nation's history, the 1974 World Cup (blurring real and NS timeframes) would have been the first one we tried to qualify for.

So you can base it on the date your nation currently sits at, or the real life date, or whatever.

Fluid time is a wonderul thing, so don't feel too weirded out if your veterans of eight Cups in a twelve-month period suddenly start playing the grand-children of players they first competed against.

And in the Krytie timeline, the Starblaydian "1974" World Cup took place in 1994. Go figure.

Qazox very loosely follws the NSWC timeline, ie: every beginning of the qualifiers i bump my calandar forward 4 years, and reto-fit everything else. (which explains why my football league, the QFL, is over 30 years behind, and I have to start anew)

Speaking of domestic leagues, how many slots does a starting nation get in the cup tournaments?

With my original nation, I based my timeline on the World Cup cycle, one every four years. The first WC we attempted to qualify for (WC5) was to correspond with the year 2006, since that was the year of the next real-life one. That nation has since been absorbed into the Unified Capitalizt States/Paripana (home of Capitalizt SLANI and Jaseuyeon), and they continue to follow that calendar to this day, making WC44 correspond to 2162.

Vephrall works a bit differently. I backdated its (IC) founding to coincide with the launch of NS, taking place on the same day, except in the year 1592. From there, I went with the "one day = one month" approach, at least up until sometime last year when I decided to change it to "two days = one month" to make my life easier. Long story short, that generally seems to result in about 2-3 years between World Cups, and the current date is March 8, 1767 (yes, I have a spreadsheet to keep track of it :p).

Speaking of domestic leagues, how many slots does a starting nation get in the cup tournaments?

I think you're only guaranteed to get one or two teams into the first preliminary stages, but you can submit up the the max and the hosts take as many as will fit.

Oh boy, Caf's RP has a lot of R's and M's ...

SEMIFINAL
Terreiro de Ogum 2-2 (3-3 AET, 4-3 PK) Koseli Cumhuriyetler

Pack your bags, Turks, because you're heading to Cafundeu for the final! Terreiro de Ogum will stay in Yuki City to await their third place game opponent.

Did you reverse the PK score when pasting or accidently bold the wrong team?

Oh boy, Caf's RP has a lot of R's and M's ...

...M's? :confused:

Talking about my last RPs, I just confirmed the fact that I'm not a very good player of the NSWC version of the Sensible World of Soccer... lost a game to Akbarabad playing as Cafundéu...

Something that I also forgot to comment yesterday: I'm glad that Star answered Sarzonia's question... I didn't know the answer for this. So now, Sarzonia, you can enjoy playing with your own team (which was the worst ranked of the teams included, btw :tongue:)

So now, Sarzonia, you can enjoy playing with your own team (which was the worst ranked of the teams included, btw :tongue:)

I figured. :tongue:

Being included in the Cup of Harmony and being included in a video game after starting the World Cup unranked. Not bad. I'll take it. :p

Did you reverse the PK score when pasting or accidently bold the wrong team?

Flipped the scores. I'll flip it back.

Arch, still awaiting any word about the BoF. thanks.

Ahh I see. I think I like the two years between WCs... So, DBC8 can be a year after WC44 -- means I can use more players and come up with less fuckin' Greek names :tongue:

Don't forget Qazox, even if there is no opposition, it's no longer a free pass, as a vote is still held whether or not to accept or reject the single bid.

Don't forget Qazox, even if there is no opposition, it's no longer a free pass, as a vote is still held whether or not to accept or reject the single bid.

I know. Just waiting for the Vote to happen. I'm in no real rush to get it started like tommorrow. It'll probably start next week, if so voted.

Talking about my last RPs, I just confirmed the fact that I'm not a very good player of the NSWC version of the Sensible World of Soccer... lost a game to Akbarabad playing as Cafundéu...

Something that I also forgot to comment yesterday: I'm glad that Star answered Sarzonia's question... I didn't know the answer for this. So now, Sarzonia, you can enjoy playing with your own team (which was the worst ranked of the teams included, btw :tongue:)

Though Sensible Soccer was a gaming icon, I was never very good at it. Hence my Starblaydia losing 2-0 to Sarzonia a couple of nights ago. Yey.

Good going, though, Caf, hehe.

All,

My sincere apologies for not initiating a BoF / WC45 host vote over the weekend.

RL personal issues intervened over the weekend. I hope to have the vote up and running by the evening of Wednesday the 4th (UK time) at the latest.

Again, apologies for the slight delay.

Presidential Announcement

Voting for both the next World Cup and BoF hosts is now open.

Details:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14472749&postcount=73


Again, apologies for the slight delay caused by RL issues.

If I'd only been involved in World Cup XLIII...

Huge congrats to Newmanistan on becoming the ninth team to reach two CoH finals (after Elves Security Forces, Dance 2 Revolution, Cockbill Street, Kylaai, Hockey Canada, Legalese, Melmond, and myself) and only the fourth team (after Dance 2 Revolution, Kylaai, and Cockbill Street) to win two CoHs! Massive props on this achievement!

[Oh, and some for those dirty dwarves on their fourth title, as well as those irritating Vanorians on continuing to be in the top three over and over and over...

Huge congrats to Newmanistan on becoming the ninth team to reach two CoH finals (after Elves Security Forces, Dance 2 Revolution, Cockbill Street, Kylaai, Hockey Canada, Legalese, Melmond, and myself) and only the fourth team (after Dance 2 Revolution, Kylaai, and Cockbill Street) to win two CoHs! Massive props on this achievement!

[Oh, and some for those dirty dwarves on their fourth title, as well as those irritating Vanorians on continuing to be in the top three over and over and over...

Yep.. clap clap for being the best 33rd place ever! LOL j/k New. I'd almost trade my 0-for-12 in World Cups for 1 CoH title.. ALMOST.

Thanks! If we have to be in it we might as well win it!

I like the mark we've placed on the last 4 CoH's, either co-hosting it or winning it. Hopefully it will be our last CoH game.

I'd like to offer my congrats to my opponent in the final.

Congrats to both fellow BoF contestants. This means Nethertopia is once again the worst nation from that competition who's still alive! Huzzah...

I really need to start to RP more...

Congrats to Newmanistan on his second CoH win! Though I bet you want to qualify for WC. ;)

I know you are all waiting for this... well, even if you weren't, I'll bring this to you:

The new rankings. Which are in the file which can be downloaded from this link here in orange. (http://www.savefile.com/files/1994704)

But, if you just want to check your current position and KPB rankings (or to see with your own eyes that Valanora's huge advantage has decreased a lot, or that Peisandros went to 34th, or that Starblaydia went to 2nd, etc), you can see it below:

1 Valanora 55,69
2 Starblaydia 51,36
3 Cafundéu 48,86
4 Bostopia 46,30
5 Demot 45,45
6 Daehanjeiguk 38,62
7 Vephrall 37,80
8 Milchama 36,73
9 Capitalizt SLANI 36,69
10 Dancougar 35,71
11 Yafor 2 34,00
12 Jeruselem 32,76
13 Lovisa 32,57
14 Ad’ihan 31,86
15 Candelaria And Marquez 30,74
16 The Archregimancy 29,96
17 Tynelia 28,73
18 Kura-Pelland 27,42
19 The Holy Empire 26,82
20 Qazox 26,73
21 Sorthern Northland 25,68
22 Jeru FC 24,69
23 Wentland 23,98
24 Septentrionia 23,71
25 Bazalonia 22,67
26 Krytenia 21,77
27 Kosovoe 21,00
28 Jasīʼyūn 20,40
29 Prux 18,95
30 Kelssek 18,94
31 Taeshan 18,30
32 Newmanistan 17,65
33 Terreiro de Ogum 17,54
34 Peisandros 17,20
35 Rennidan 17,12
36 Yafalonia and Bazor 2 15,67
37 Bears Armed 13,77
38 Green wombat 12,96
39 Blouman Empire 12,16
40 Urna Eletrônica 12,08
41 West Zirconia 11,51
42 Kenavt 10,82
43 Greal 10,48
44 Koseli Cumhuriyetler 10,42
45 Arroza 9,69
46 Quakmybush 9,58
47 Az-cz 9,55
48 Nethertopia 9,12
49 Cassadaigua 8,58
50 Secristan 8,54
51 The Bostopian Empire 8,51
52 Akbarabad 7,95
53 Miroxia 7,51
54 Magna Sancta Sedes 7,24
55 Zwangzug 7,11
56 Sarzonia 6,93
57 Universitus University 6,44
58 Liventia 6,40
59 Chutnusak 5,86
60 Colbourne 5,81
61 Myedvedeya 5,67
62 Dariusville 5,33
63 IseeRussiafrommyhouse 5,24
64 KaMaRi 4,81
65 The Macabees 4,72
66 Syktyvkar 4,70
67 An Blascaod Mor 4,64
68 Googlewoop 4,44
68 Idanno 4,44
70 Land de Wood 4,20
71 Quintessence of Dust 4,00
72 East Pocono 3,71
72 Euro Federations 3,71
74 Lecland 3,63
75 Opereta 3,41
76 Kjomasasopia 3,40
77 AruthKandageLand 3,32
78 Solenial 3,31
79 Glaycia 3,24
80 Brightonburg 3,14
81 Bettia 3,11
82 Bushdome 2,93
83 Alversia 2,57
84 St Samuel 2,50
85 Rymeria 2,29
86 Cokenia 2,08
87 Bactrian Camels 2,00
87 O Ale Ale 2,00
89 Linpada 1,99
89 Viltek 1,99
91 Vlaskin 1,98
92 Valetaland 1,95
93 Kereca 1,92
94 Draistania 1,71
94 Oiseaui 1,71
96 Tortuga y Hispaniola 1,66
97 Thoughts of Randomness 1,65
98 Magnus Valerius 1,57
99 The Islands of Qutar 1,43
100 Nire and Nire 1,42
100 Northern Bettia 1,42
100 Sel Appa 1,42
103 Acapais 1,33
103 Kiryu-shi 1,33
105 Deceased Writers Guild 1,17
106 Saturday Sport 1,14
106 Swilatia 1,14
108 Australiah 1,00
108 Senatus Populusque II 1,00
110 Kanji Starter 0,92
110 New Zomboria 0,92
112 Onimar 0,86
113 Cypron 0,83
114 East Ying 0,75
114 Spazican States 0,75
116 Panuul 0,71
117 Icy Cold Death Touch 0,67
117 Legalese 0,67
119 Cauci 0,58
119 Ron Paulovia 0,58
121 Roddyville 0,50
121 We Hate Football 0,50
123 United Island Empires 0,43
124 Tanah Tinggi 0,38
125 Europa Brittania 0,33
125 Wijaska Island 0,33
127 Mantwenic 0,31
128 Alex Ruined Hallelujah 0,29
128 Seventy Ninth Entrant 0,29
130 Benelsdon 0,25
130 Ixania 0,25
130 Maimeiras 0,25
133 Maestro L Pavarotti 0,13
134 Kannone 0,08
134 Montgisard 0,08
136 Docky -16,13
137 Deep South Sopia -16,96
138 The Doobie Brothers -18,86

Woo-hoo!

I'ma have to sacrifice some rubber chickens next cup. Been too long since I did that...

Woohoo! Number 56! :p

My team has got to be one of the most undeserving top tens ever. Sure, we've been to the quarterfinals three times, but that's it...

My team has got to be one of the most undeserving top tens ever. Sure, we've been to the quarterfinals three times, but that's it...

We've been to two quarterfinals. Now quit yer yappin!

Well um, i fell really bad knowing that my puppet made it in to the top thirty before i did.

Still stuck in the high twenties. Next time...

All that Cup of Harmony work for almost naught. :(

Jeru FC are nearly in the top 20 ...

All that Cup of Harmony work for almost naught. :(

I dunno, a lot of nations qualify for the WC from the mid-40s...

I only increased my ranking by a notch. 44th to 43th :( Still, not bad.

All in all, I'm pretty thrilled with this World Cup cycle. Going from zero KPB points when it started to 56th after it finished is pretty great.

Now I'm curious ... what's the biggest jump in history?

All in all, I'm pretty thrilled with this World Cup cycle. Going from zero KPB points when it started to 56th after it finished is pretty great.

Now I'm curious ... what's the biggest jump in history?

Dunno, but jumping from a really low rank to mid one is easy. Once you get into the top 50, there's a lot of traffic. Getting into the top 10 is even harder.

I've discovered that the majority of people who use Korean in NS like to use the Northern version... whaddup?!?

All in all, I'm pretty thrilled with this World Cup cycle. Going from zero KPB points when it started to 56th after it finished is pretty great.

Now I'm curious ... what's the biggest jump in history?

Ummm... I'm not sure (there are some old guys who might insist that they had the longest jump ever), but Peisandros jumping radically from UNR, to some 80ish, to 40ish, finally to 34th is a pretty big jump in modern recollection. Similarly for Bears Armed. Of course, not many people qualify for the World Cup on their first try...

Ummm... I'm not sure (there are some old guys who might insist that they had the longest jump ever), but Peisandros jumping radically from UNR, to some 80ish, to 40ish, finally to 34th is a pretty big jump in modern recollection. Similarly for Bears Armed. Of course, not many people qualify for the World Cup on their first try...

If a new team wins the BoF and qualifies, then that would be idea kinda rankings boost. In reality, most BoF winners don't qualify on first attempt.

I've discovered that the majority of people who use Korean in NS like to use the Northern version... whaddup?!?



Ummm... I'm not sure (there are some old guys who might insist that they had the longest jump ever), but Peisandros jumping radically from UNR, to some 80ish, to 40ish, finally to 34th is a pretty big jump in modern recollection. Similarly for Bears Armed. Of course, not many people qualify for the World Cup on their first try...

I meant biggest jump for a team that didn't take part in the Baptism of Fire...

The first time I took part in the World Cup, I won the Baptism of Fire and came in ranked No. 72. I finished the qualifying stage ranked No. 53 after missing qualifying by one match (sound familiar?). I think I was in the 40s after that World Cup cycle ended.

YAY I'm now either Greece (FIFA) or Switzerland (Elo). So it's either goat cheese or chocolate, which one you think i'm taking?

We've been to two quarterfinals. Now quit yer yappin!

And i've been to ONE so Shuddup!

YAY I'm now either Greece (FIFA) or Switzerland (Elo). So it's either goat cheese or chocolate, which one you think i'm taking?

Chocolate Yuros then? :p

According to FIFA, there is no 12th ranked team as three teams are ranked 11th (France, Portugal and them Czechs). I guess I'm France again. Jeru FC is the USA ... LOLZ

In ELO, I'm a crazy Czech and Jeru FC walk like Egyptians.

If a new team wins the BoF and qualifies, then that would be idea kinda rankings boost. In reality, most BoF winners don't qualify on first attempt.

*Glares to Newmanistan* Or on their sixth try...

34th huh? Not a bad place to finish up after one World Cup, :).

FIFA= Japan.. Cool, happy with that.
ELO= Australia.. Also pretty happy with that! Not bad footballing countries.

I dunno, a lot of nations qualify for the WC from the mid-40s...

Eh. I'm not that great at RPing though, so I guess from this point it's just try to hang on, while waiting for those above me to get bored and fall off the charts.

Arroza =

Saudi Arabia (ELO). The irony here is amazing.
Tunisia (FIFA). :rolleyes:

Quick presidential reminder:

Remember that voting for BoF and WC 45 hosts in open for another 29 hours!

Many of you have voted already (I have 11 votes for the WC and 6 for the BoF), but if you're on the EWCC or WCC, you still have time to vote.

Not sure if you're on either of those committees?

Full details of the current round of host voting may be found here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14472749&postcount=73



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As to why the majority of people on NS use the Northern version of Korean... Doesn't the DPRK claim that its version of Korean is 'purer' with fewer foreign loan words and less use of non-Korean characters? So might NS use of Korean reflect this 'purer' (and I use the term advisably and cautiously, aware of the ideological implications), and perhaps more old-fashioned usage?

FIFA says I'm.... Mali

ELO says I'm....Ecuador

What?

FIFA says I'm FYR Macedonia. ELO says I'm Peru.

Sweden (FIFA) or Japan (Elo)

I always thought Sweden was better, this surprised me.

The problem with all these is that FIFA's rankings are shockingly out and resemble actual national squad talents very poorly, while ELO's take no account of the 'wow, what a great set of players we can market to this/that/the other nation!' view that prevails in FIFA's ranks.

Don't get me started on the KPBs, though ;)

Don't get me started on the KPBs, though ;)

I know, I know! I'm the big bad evil elf that everyone wants to see dead. I suggest you file a complaint with management. :p

And 26th makes me either Mexico (FIFA) or Greece (ELO).

Moussaka fajitas, anyone?

I know, I know! I'm the big bad evil elf that everyone wants to see dead. I suggest you file a complaint with management. :p

Nah, you don't need to die. That'd be too messy. You're just in my way, is all!

Plus, I know how management works, as I used to be management :p

Eh. I'm not that great at RPing though, so I guess from this point it's just try to hang on, while waiting for those above me to get bored and fall off the charts.

If you RP what you know, they basically write themselves. Hence my giant robot wars.

If I take a cue from the World Bowl thread, what you need here is a team of Pacman Joneses.

If you RP what you know, they basically write themselves. Hence my giant robot wars.

Despite having absolutely nothing to do with football?

Despite having absolutely nothing to do with football?

You've just given me insight for the next DBC8 RP :P...

EDIT - Not that I really care about FIFA/ELO ranks and whatnot (actually I do, but not in NS), ¡yo soy la República Argentina! (or ¡soy Argentina! for you pidgin fans...)

37th _ FIFA= Moldova, ELO = Israel.

Ummm... I'm not sure (there are some old guys who might insist that they had the longest jump ever), but Peisandros jumping radically from UNR, to some 80ish, to 40ish, finally to 34th is a pretty big jump in modern recollection. Similarly for Bears Armed. Of course, not many people qualify for the World Cup on their first try...

I wonder if going from unranked to 34th and 37th is the biggest collective jump for the two nations in the BoF final?

Despite having absolutely nothing to do with football?

Wait ... we play football here?

Colour me shocked! :eek:

Wait ... we play football here?

Colour me shocked! :eek:

Okay...

http://blog.dispatch.com/1812Nut/Shocked.jpg

Despite having absolutely nothing to do with football?

Absolutely! Dancougar News!! is so full of wrong that I need to add something worse to make it seem plausibly acceptable. Alack, 'tis why Margaret saw fit to smite me in the opening round, for it is written that should robot RP guy progress once, shame on him. Progress twice, shame on her. Progress three times, shame on... um... err... he's not going to progress.

Or maybe I've just been in my basement for too long.

EDIT - Not that I really care about FIFA/ELO ranks and whatnot (actually I do, but not in NS), ¡yo soy la República Argentina! (or ¡soy Argentina! for you pidgin fans...)

You want to cover Argentina in soy sauce?

Absolutely! Dancougar News!! is so full of wrong that I need to add something worse to make it seem plausibly acceptable. Alack, 'tis why Margaret saw fit to smite me in the opening round, for it is written that should robot RP guy progress once, shame on him. Progress twice, shame on her. Progress three times, shame on... um... err... he's not going to progress.

Or maybe I've just been in my basement for too long.

I hope that you'll forgive me for potentially abusing my creative license.

You want to cover Argentina in soy sauce?

DING-DING-DING! We have a winner! Let's show him what we've got for him! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_brassieres)

Nah, you don't need to die. That'd be too messy. You're just in my way, is all!

There's a lot of you in my way, actually.

This, however...can change. Quickly. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FoeTossingCharge)

MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb8fWUUXeKM)

Kosovoe-Serbia Elo, Fifa Ivory Coast(awesome)
Taeshan-Japan Elo, Fifa Poland

Spain #1 You have got to be kidding me. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thats wrong.

Kosovoe-Serbia (Elo) ...



Ironic.. Don't you think? :rolleyes:

Spain #1 You have got to be kidding me. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thats wrong.

Unbeaten since 2006. Clearly crap and not deserving of a high ranking then.

If you RP what you know, they basically write themselves. Hence my giant robot wars.

If I take a cue from the World Bowl thread, what you need here is a team of Pacman Joneses.

So if I'm reading this correctly, my next WC run should include:

Pacman Jones, rap music, drinking heavily, 4chan memes, potheads, social failure, rednecks, hookers and socially irresponsible racist humor?

.........

Unbeaten since 2006. Clearly crap and not deserving of a high ranking then.

I really don't get why Holland is still in third place... Anyway, 48 equals Hungary (Fifa) and Venezuela (Elo)... Yeah, I'll go for Hungary.

So if I'm reading this correctly, my next WC run should include:

Pacman Jones, rap music, drinking heavily, 4chan memes, potheads, social failure, rednecks, hookers and socially irresponsible racist humor?

.........

Don't forget puppets. And dolls. And scarecraws. Good times with Dariusville. =D

So if I'm reading this correctly, my next WC run should include:

Pacman Jones, rap music, drinking heavily, 4chan memes, potheads, social failure, rednecks, hookers and socially irresponsible racist humor?

.........

You forgot the sentient vegetables, evisceratomatoes, and zombies.

Or is that just me showing my age?

You forgot the sentient vegetables, evisceratomatoes, and zombies.

Or is that just me showing my age?

Yes.

You forgot the sentient vegetables, evisceratomatoes, and zombies.

Or is that just me showing my age?

Don't forget puppets. And dolls. And scarecraws. Good times with Dariusville. =D

All of these sound completely awesome, but are all things that I know nothing about. Actually they sound like things that would destroy my chances of sleeping if I learned too much about them.

Your national leaders should just get back to shagging, er, I mean snogging each other. :tongue:

It's a pity [s] doesn't work on this forum...

Yes.

Remind me again: Which one of us is which?

http://www.sportsocracy.org/imgs/statler_waldorf.jpg

So if I'm reading this correctly, my next WC run should include:

Pacman Jones, rap music, drinking heavily, 4chan memes, potheads, social failure, rednecks, hookers and socially irresponsible racist humor?

This already sounds like the best team ever.

Don't forget puppets. And dolls. And scarecraws. Good times with Dariusville. =D

Or even better, 4chan dolls who use humans as puppets and say "desu" a lot?

This already sounds like the best team ever.



Or even better, 4chan dolls who use humans as puppets and say "desu" a lot?

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4811/roflbot9hj2tm5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

One from the vaults (remixed):

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c58/Krytenia/STB.png

You forgot the sentient vegetables, evisceratomatoes, and zombies.

Or is that just me showing my age?

Go GIANT ZUCCHINI :)
Poor veges never managed qualify.

Or even better, 4chan dolls who use humans as puppets and say "desu" a lot?

Aah... Rule 41...

Remind me again: Which one of us is which?

http://www.sportsocracy.org/imgs/statler_waldorf.jpg


Bah.

Young whippersnappers like you don't know what it was like back in old days. We used to have to roll dice to scorinate in the snow uphill both ways.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/8/84/Worlds_oldest_fraggle.jpg

Remind me again: Which one of us is which?

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm1/Starblayde/felix-tiberius.jpg

I'm Statler, you're Waldorf.

I'd say I'm Kermit
But I'm neither Green nor a Frog.

I'd say I'm Kermit
But I'm neither Green nor a Frog.

But you are a muppet. :p

I've decided I might go for a new WCC president image. It's not that all of this untrammelled power's gone to my head or anything, I just thought we needed a more pro-active image for the position:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_rJtUG54tTO8/SJXwLbg9qLI/AAAAAAAAACM/sBZc4UC_UP4/s400/The-God-Emperor-Can%27t-be-Wr.jpg


What do you think?

What do you think?

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/emperor-of-catkind.jpg

Quite.

I've decided I might go for a new WCC president image. It's not that all of this untrammelled power's gone to my head or anything, I just thought we needed a more pro-active image for the position:

[IMG]


What do you think?

It's kind of an understatement, if y'ask me.

I'm Statler, you're Waldorf.

I heard a rumour those two were gay lovers.

That's all I'm sayin'.

I heard a rumour those two were gay lovers.

That's all I'm sayin'.

Jealous, much?

Of who, I'm not quite sure.

Jealous, much?

Riiiiight.

I think I'm gonna go listen to Master Of Puppets now. :tongue:

See, this is what happens when we're not being satiated by football.

What? There's nothing wrong with some nice metal! I say, huzzah for commercialised, groupie-attracting (b-side) metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7tAzChdLIE&feature=related).

Serious announcement

3 hours left to vote on the BoF / WC hosts!

Man I wish I'd been involved in World Cup XLIII...

Wonder how many times a sole hosting bid has gotten "reject" votes?

Can't be too many; the rule requiring single bids to be voted on is fairly new.

Pfft, bureaucracy...

Can't be too many; the rule requiring single bids to be voted on is fairly new.

Well, we might be about to find out. Sort of. The EWCC have given me a headache.


PRESIDENTIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

Note: As usual, your president has abstained from voting

Result of the WC45 Host vote:

For: 11

Against: 0

Re-open nominations: 2

Demot and Capitalizt Slani are the WC45 hosts



Result of the Baptism of Fire Host vote:

For: 4

Against: 1

Re-open nominations: 3

And here, the EWCC has conspired to make things tricky. While votes for Qazox's BoF host vote are in the plurality, no option has a majority. Nor are the combined votes against and for re-opening votes in the majority.

I consulted with my crack team of WCC rules lawyers (called 'Daehanjeiguk'), and they tell me that in cases where no hosting vote achieves a majority, our rules state that there has to be a run-off election between the top two options.

So, votes on the Baptism of Fire are re-opened. Not nominations; merely the voting.

IMPORTANT: For the purpose of this vote, EWCC members may only vote for Qazox's host bid, or to re-open nominations. You may not vote against the bid (you may, of course, abstain).

So we can get this over and done with ASAP, voting for the run-off is only open for another 24 hours - until 6:00pm / 18:00 UK time Saturday. Votes may be TG'd to either of my nations, as before.

If the vote is tied at the conclusion of the run-off, I will then exercise my right to vote in order to break the tie.

Thank you. This has been a tricky one. I hope I've resolved in in a fair way in keeping with our rules.

I heard a rumour those two were gay lovers.

That's all I'm sayin'.

Nah, I haven't been screwed by Starblaydia since AOCAF7.

Krytenia wishes to make public its bid for "Re-Open Nominations".

This is because theyre making a veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery late bid for the BoF.

If Qazox doesn't win the run-off, of course.

Thank you please.

Krytenia wishes to make public its bid for "Re-Open Nominations".

This is because theyre making a veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery late bid for the BoF.

Thank you please.

Though note that you can only make that bid if 're-open nominations' wins the run-off vote.

As things stand, EWCC members can only vote _for_ the Qazox bid or to re-open nominations, not on any putative Krytenia bid.

You're probably fully aware of that - but I thought I'd clarify for the benefit of everyone else, just in case.


Edit:
Just what is the difference between voting against and voting to re-open bidding? After all, in both cases we have to vote again.

In my understanding, if 'no' wins, then the original bid is withdrawn, and only new bids may be made. If 're-open bidding' wins, then the original bid may still be presented, and may indeed go on win any subsequent vote.

If anyone disagrees with that, feel free to let me know.

Just wondering, why is it that WCC members can't vote for BoF & CoH hosts? As in what was the rationale when you instituted that?

Though note that you can only make that bid if 're-open nominations' wins the run-off vote.

As things stand, EWCC members can only vote _for_ the Qazox bid or to re-open nominations, not on any putative Krytenia bid.

You're probably fully aware of that - but I thought I'd clarify for the benefit of everyone else, just in case.

Edited my post to reduce confuzzlement.

Just wondering, why is it that WCC members can't vote for BoF & CoH hosts? As in what was the rationale when you instituted that?

The EWCC stems from the Host Selection Committee, who used to vote on all hosting bids.

The WCC as it is now was an "opening-up" of the voting system to allow more people to vote for a World Cup host. The BoF and CoH are smaller tournaments, and therefore it was decided that a smaller voting pool was sufficient: the EWCC.

If I've got anything wrong, please correct me.

Just wondering, why is it that WCC members can't vote for BoF & CoH hosts? As in what was the rationale when you instituted that?

The WCC, originally, was just those people who had hosted World Cup tournaments before, which as you can imagine was a fairly small group of people that began to get smaller and smaller. A large pool of people contributed to everything, but without the time, inclination or expertise to actually host a World Cup. Their voices were equally valid, so we decided to open up the WCC to everybody with rosters in the previous two cups. Then we retained the original WCC as the EWCC, in order to carry on with BoF/CoH voting.

That's partly from a time-based perspective, as to ask for (in the old days at the height of the WCC) upwards of fifty votes for those two tournaments was silly.

Besides, those who have hosted World Cups know what's best for everyone else, evidently.

A couple more details to Krytenia's post....

The original WCC consisted of all previous World Cup hosts. It was founded - intentionally, not by default precedent - all the way back in WC 2, when Ariddia and AIF voted to allow TnUI to host WC 3 (the World Cup 2 host was chosen by Ariddia alone, though I presented the only 'bid', such as it was).

When the WC rules were reformed and codified, it was decided that it would be fair to open up the main tournament voting process to all active participants in addition to former hosts, with 'active' defined as rosters posted in the last two tournaments.

The old WCC was reconstituted as the EWCC. Restricting the voting for CoH and BoF hosting to the EWCC was partially a means to acknowledge the historic WCC structure going alllll the way back to WC2, partially a nod to the concept that as 'experienced' nations, the EWCC was well-placed to decide who should host the important subsidiary tournaments (which tended to attract newer nations from their very nature), and - retrospectively (don't know if this was used as a justification at the time) - seemed like a decent way of subtly encouraging nations to host the tournament proper by giving them the incentive of enhanced voting rights.

[I]Edit:
Yeah. What Starblaydia said.

See those two explanations? That's why they've been WCC President, and I've not had so much as a nomination. :D

Edit:
Just what is the difference between voting against and voting to re-open bidding? After all, in both cases we have to vote again.

In my understanding, if 'no' wins, then the original bid is withdrawn, and only new bids may be made. If 're-open bidding' wins, then the original bid may still be presented, and may indeed go on win any subsequent vote.

If anyone disagrees with that, feel free to let me know.

After searching the thread, I believe the way we currently understand the one-bid vote process (A yes, B no, C re-open) is a mistake. The original Bostopian proposal read:

If in the event of there only being one host bid for a WCC-sanctioned event, a vote should still be held before a host is to be selected, with the options being to the effect of: A: Vote for the prospective bid, B: Vote for the prospective bid with a change or removal of any controversial sections or C: Re-open bids.

Should changes to the bid be made post selection it is up to presidential discretion to invalidate that selection.

(This was so any bid would need some confirmation. At the time, we were facing the possibility that the only bid would have a controversial "puppet preliminary phase".)

Looks like it was misinterpreted along the way. You seem correct in assuming we don't need separate options for "no" and "re-open".

Um if possible i like to enter a new potential guideline of sorts, comdeming the Emergency World cup comitee to actual Emergencies. This law to be later presented in a more political way would ensue that the World Cup Comitee of the whole would vote on everything, and then the Emergency World Cup would only vote if either something happened to the person chosen, if there was not a majority, or the members held a riot about a decision. Or we could just rename the Emrgency World Comitee the The Official Council, and the WC the Comitte as a whole for Cup voting.

Um if possible i like to enter a new potential guideline of sorts, comdeming the Emergency World cup comitee to actual Emergencies. This law to be later presented in a more political way would ensue that the World Cup Comitee of the whole would vote on everything, and then the Emergency World Cup would only vote if either something happened to the person chosen, if there was not a majority, or the members held a riot about a decision.

There's a valid proposal in there. If someone wants to help Taeshan write it up into formal proposal form, I'd be willing to put it to a vote.


And I'm grateful to Zwangzug for pointing out that the vote as we've come to hold it isn't technically accurate. I'll continue the current voting process as is, however, since the run-off vote's already been called with only a 24 hour deadline, and since there was lack of a clear majority either way in the original vote. It's likely that we still would have had a 50/50 split; the only real change had we voted under the technically correct system is that I might have exercised my right to vote in the first round straight up.


See, it's this sort of confusion that led me to ask Han to codify our rules into one easy to reference format.....

Um if possible i like to enter a new potential guideline of sorts, comdeming the Emergency World cup comitee to actual Emergencies. This law to be later presented in a more political way would ensue that the World Cup Comitee of the whole would vote on everything, and then the Emergency World Cup would only vote if either something happened to the person chosen, if there was not a majority, or the members held a riot about a decision. Or we could just rename the Emrgency World Comitee the The Official Council, and the WC the Comitte as a whole for Cup voting.

I'm going to have to disagree with about 90% of this before we even go anywhere. The idea of the EWCC is to have a small pool for lesser tournament voting. The WCC makes the big decisions; the EWCC the small ones.

I agree the name is a little misleading though. Perhaps the easiest way is to think of another word beginning with "E" to use instead of "Emergency" so as to preserve the acronym.

Perhaps the easiest way is to think of another word beginning with "E" to use instead of "Emergency" so as to preserve the acronym.

Executive?

Thanks to Arch & Star for the explanations.

Executive works for me.

Proposal KR4 a.k.a The Newmanistan Clause

The Emergency World Cup Committee shall be renamed the Executive World Cup Committee; their duties and functions shall remain the same.

Executive?

Blast. All I could think of was Exclusive and Elite (and Easter-Bunny (yeah, I know...)), but yours actually makes sense.

Well, we might be about to find out. Sort of. The EWCC have given me a headache.


PRESIDENTIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

...
Result of the Baptism of Fire Host vote:

For: 4

Against: 1

Re-open nominations: 3

And here, the EWCC has conspired to make things tricky. While votes for Qazox's BoF host vote are in the plurality, no option has a majority. Nor are the combined votes against and for re-opening votes in the majority.

I consulted with my crack team of WCC rules lawyers (called 'Daehanjeiguk'), and they tell me that in cases where no hosting vote achieves a majority, our rules state that there has to be a run-off election between the top two options.

So, votes on the Baptism of Fire are re-opened. Not nominations; merely the voting.

IMPORTANT: For the purpose of this vote, EWCC members may only vote for Qazox's host bid, or to re-open nominations. You may not vote against the bid (you may, of course, abstain).

So we can get this over and done with ASAP, voting for the run-off is only open for another 24 hours - until 6:00pm / 18:00 UK time Saturday. Votes may be TG'd to either of my nations, as before.

If the vote is tied at the conclusion of the run-off, I will then exercise my right to vote in order to break the tie.

Thank you. This has been a tricky one. I hope I've resolved in in a fair way in keeping with our rules.

Wish I knew who said NO... (though I am not allowed to ask, probably, and NO i do not really want to know who voted against it)

I would like to put some sort of thing forward to state that we can not make a vote on Krytenia's proposal until someone can help me put forward a different opsing idea to change the inner workings of the Comitees.

See, it's this sort of confusion that led me to ask Han to codify our rules into one easy to reference format.....

Of which I'm still working upon... I confess that other matters have distracted my attention, but I should have a working draft up sometime... before I die...

wow i was just going to ask you about how that was coming.

It's likely that we still would have had a 50/50 split; the only real change had we voted under the technically correct system is that I might have exercised my right to vote in the first round straight up.
As long as we’re on a proposal spree…

Proposal 490
Should one-half or more of the voters support reopening nominations for the host of a WCC-sanctioned tournament, then nominations will be reopened, with the original bid still eligible.
The point being that if there is a 50–50 split, it is reasonable to reopen nominations, since doing so does not preclude the initial bid from eventually succeeding, while a presidential tiebreaker in favor of the bid would prevent other bids from being considered.

I would like to put some sort of thing forward to state that we can not make a vote on Krytenia's proposal until someone can help me put forward a different opsing idea to change the inner workings of the Comitees.

I'd put one across, but I don't think the EWCC would like it very much.

I would like to put some sort of thing forward to state that we can not make a vote on Krytenia's proposal until someone can help me put forward a different opsing idea to change the inner workings of the Comitees.

Uhm, how about no? Why should his be stopped? Our new rules have always overwritten old ones, so if yours is written and passed after his, it would still invalidate his. You don't really have a case for what you suggest.

Myedvedeya and Bears Armed weigh in.

http://pic.bgstuff.net/data/media/68/bear-how-about-no-wj9.jpg

myedvedeya and bears armed weigh in.

http://pic.bgstuff.net/data/media/68/bear-how-about-no-wj9.jpg

lmao.

methinks we suddenly have too many bears...

Another issue I can see here is who would vote on any proposal concerning the EWCC's future? I personally don't believe it would be right for the general WCC to be voting on the EWCC's future, especially on a bill to effectively scrap the EWCC.

That is a good point. I suggest that we make some sort of level ground were the voting could happen if it was brought forth. Like an equal number of each and something. And its not really eliminating it its just using the past hosters to decide who should host something. It's kind of like a final comitee to vote if you need one because i personally and i know many of you dont really care about my opinion, but the EWCC has about a forth of the members still around as the WCC. Andto another point it should be open to all people to vote who have been around long enough to see how everything works, and they should be able to vote on everything that comes up and the past hosters should just be making final descicsions when they cant decide

You see, to a few of us it appears you're raising this only now - after so many previous BoFs and CoHs - because Qazox got rejected and you wanted him to win. That's a bit unfair don't you think? It was a fair vote.

I have no problem with the voting rules as it currently is.

1/2 the voters didn't want me hosting and 1/2 did.

My only thing about it is this: IF the 4 who did vote yes, vote yes again, while the 1 person who voted no, voted to re-open the bids we'd still be at the same point.
(Though I believe that Arch has stated that if such a case occurs, that he'll cast the deciding vote.)

If the First person (if i'm not, then feel free to correct me) to be affected by this rule isn't upset about it, why is everyone else seemingly making a big deal of it?

To be fair to Taeshan, he's raising some issues I've long thought about with respect to the way the World Cup and other football tournaments are run.

I'm no fan of any system that excludes people who are heavily involved in an organisation from voting in favour of a select few. I remember causing waves for complaining about that in the past, but I still don't like the idea that people have to host a World Cup before they're allowed to have a voice on the Baptism of Fire Cup.

With respect to the two World Cups rule with a roster and at least one RP, I have no problem with that. It was a figure the powers that be came up with to demonstrate commitment to playing this game within a game.

Why am I getting involved in this discussion? I would have liked to have seen Qazox win the Baptism of Fire. I think he does a nice job of hosting based on the events he's hosted and scorinated. However, I accept the judgment of those who think the process should be reopened.

If I were eligible to vote for the World Cup host, I would have voted against Demot's and Commerce Heights's bid because of that World Cup 26 debacle. I know the overwhelming majority has spoken, but I may RP my football federation wrestling with whether or not to send the Stars based on who's hosting it.

By all means, make an RP about it, but to suggest the EWCC should be dissolved because it didn't come to a result that he'd have liked is a bit unfair.

Qazox: I was the one who voted against your bid, mostly because I forgot there was a reopen nominations option. My only reservation is that you're already hosting the WBC at the same time, hence my opposition.

I think the EWCC should be dissolved period. Not because of this vote, but because there's no need for a separate committee consisting solely of host nations, especially when there's a WCC president and vice president.

I actually don't really care that Q lost the BoF bid. Yes he is one of the people on here i have more relations with, but i dont really care that much about the BoF. Since i'm never gonna be in another and nither is a puppet because Kosovoe seems to be good now. I really don't care either way who hosts the bof. Its not something that concerns me at the least most percentage. I just see that there is something totally wrong with a system witch has 8 people vote for one person and they can't decide. Why is there a system where the only thing everyone gets to vote on is who hosts the world cup. I think if your playing in the competition that you have played in and participated in before and was involved in it you should be able to decide whoshould host the event that your competing in, and no offense if im back in the CoH again next time i want to choose whose hosting i dont want someone who is probally in the World Cup Proper deciding who does that. Anyways why does it concern someone who is not going to be in something who is hosting the event unless they are needed to make final decisions, or if something happens to someone or somebody who isnt right for the job an everyone can see that. The EWCC should really just be a figure in case of tragedy, and Liv is only protecting it because he is one of the few who can vote.

And if in fact a decision is made either way in the end i dont think the result of any vote should affect the process until after this CoH

This is totally ridiculous. Dissolve the EWCC because of a single vote didn't go the way of it's supporters? You claim that this is not just this vote, but we have had dozens of votes before this and there has not been a major complaint. This points to a single vote result not going the way of it's supporters, much the same way Hugo Chavez vowing to repeat a referendum if he loses the vote. It's is only fair to have those who have hosted the World Cup before to be the ones who decides to get to host the lesser tournaments. They have the firsthand knowledge of the amount of effort and time it takes to run these events. By having this knowledge, they are the best advantaged to detirmine which of the bidees seems the most capable to undertake the challange.

I think it's already a good thing the WCC gets to vote on the WC. Would you prefer the EWCC handle the WC while the WCC votes on the lesser tournaments?!

Am I the only one that's surprised by the fact that we let almost anyone vote on who gets to host the giant tournament with 80+ nations, and around 20 rounds of matches, but let the 10-15 person competition get voted on by a group of elites?

Besides that, I like the way the system works, and I didn't vote on the WC because I had no thought on whether I wanted commerce Heights to host or not. There weren't any competing bids, and I've never been an a tournament they've run.

This is totally ridiculous. Dissolve the EWCC because of a single vote didn't go the way of it's supporters?

You seem to be responding only to Taeshan's comment. He's not alone in thinking the EWCC has outlived its purpose.

I've said almost from Day 1 of my involvement with the World Cup that I consider a system where people who are involved with NSWC and its affiliated tournaments are disenfranchised is unacceptable. I've been here off and on since World Cup 16.

For me, this doesn't have anything to do with the vote on Qazox and the Baptism of Fire. It doesn't have anything to do with Demot and Capitalizt SLANI getting World Cup 45, even though I've made my mistrust for Capitalizt SLANI hosting anything clear. It has to do with keeping an antiquated system that is not needed since there is a NSWC president in place.

If there really is an emergency, the president can make an executive decision to resolve the emergency condition. Most matters can be resolved by a vote of the WCC.

I'd like to ask those of you who defend the EWCC to explain why it's *necessary* to keep the EWCC in light of the fact we have a WCC WITHOUT using the "it's tradition" argument or "there's never been a problem with it before." What BESIDES TRADITION justifies keeping the EWCC?

To spill my beans (they're not that rotten, I hope)...

After searching the thread, I believe the way we currently understand the one-bid vote process (A yes, B no, C re-open) is a mistake. The original Bostopian proposal read:

(This was so any bid would need some confirmation. At the time, we were facing the possibility that the only bid would have a controversial "puppet preliminary phase".)

Looks like it was misinterpreted along the way. You seem correct in assuming we don't need separate options for "no" and "re-open".

ugh, and you waited until now to tell us that?

I would like to put some sort of thing forward to state that we can not make a vote on Krytenia's proposal until someone can help me put forward a different opsing idea to change the inner workings of the Comitees.

Considering that il Presidente has not up any proposals for vote yet, there is no reason to consider that there is any vote going yet for anything. Hence if you need time to write an "opposing" (which might not be necessary, since Krytenia's proposal seems to be cosmetic, while yours seems to be mechanical) proposal. And of course, quoth the poet:
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."

Another issue I can see here is who would vote on any proposal concerning the EWCC's future? I personally don't believe it would be right for the general WCC to be voting on the EWCC's future, especially on a bill to effectively scrap the EWCC.

Having the EWCC vote to confirm its own existence is much akin to having the UN Security Council voting to confirm its own existence.

I have no problem with the voting rules as it currently is.

1/2 the voters didn't want me hosting and 1/2 did.

My only thing about it is this: IF the 4 who did vote yes, vote yes again, while the 1 person who voted no, voted to re-open the bids we'd still be at the same point.
(Though I believe that Arch has stated that if such a case occurs, that he'll cast the deciding vote.)

If the First person (if i'm not, then feel free to correct me) to be affected by this rule isn't upset about it, why is everyone else seemingly making a big deal of it?

Well, if the 4 people who voted for you and the 4 who didn't vote were the only people who voted (and by far not the only people eligible), you'd still have a tie, in which case, il Presidente still reserves the right to cast his vote (which oddly enough, he is most disinclined to use despite the ability to settle the matter in one deft blow (or click...)). Hence, there will be no tie after this.

I actually don't really care that Q lost the BoF bid. Yes he is one of the people on here i have more relations with, but i dont really care that much about the BoF. Since i'm never gonna be in another and nither is a puppet because Kosovoe seems to be good now. I really don't care either way who hosts the bof. Its not something that concerns me at the least most percentage. I just see that there is something totally wrong with a system witch has 8 people vote for one person and they can't decide. Why is there a system where the only thing everyone gets to vote on is who hosts the world cup. I think if your playing in the competition that you have played in and participated in before and was involved in it you should be able to decide whoshould host the event that your competing in, and no offense if im back in the CoH again next time i want to choose whose hosting i dont want someone who is probally in the World Cup Proper deciding who does that. Anyways why does it concern someone who is not going to be in something who is hosting the event unless they are needed to make final decisions, or if something happens to someone or somebody who isnt right for the job an everyone can see that. The EWCC should really just be a figure in case of tragedy, and Liv is only protecting it because he is one of the few who can vote.

"Tragedy is when I cut my finger."

The problem with 8 voters is not that the EWCC is just composed of 8 lazy power-hungry folk who are trying to gobble up the world (well, I'm not at least). The problem with that is that there were only 8 people inclined to vote at that time. Granted, opening the BoF/CoH hosting process to the WCC may open up more voters to vote upon the bids, but the problem remains with voter apathy. Get more of the WCC/EWCC members to vote and you might get better (or at least more conclusive results).


I'm personally split between having the EWCC make the major decisions concerning hosting and other things, but I think that there is some merit to having a special body for special instances. The problem I think is that the qualifying criteria may be a bit too selective. Not too many people have hosted the World Cup, and not too many people want to host the World Cup, despite potentially having inclinations to vote for/against someone else doing the task. I can see the merit, because the supposed selective few can make more informed and more mature decision; the problem with that is that the criteria for becoming a member of the select few doesn't necessarily measure maturity or intelligence (not to insult anyone, including myself :p). And unfortunately, some may affect the way that they perceive their position, that by the honor of experience that they have the ability to measure the merits of others. If there is a selective body, there needs to be a better mechanism of ascertaining the merits of a person rather than the ambiguous "I'v3 h0st3d 4 w0r7d cup b4!" sort of thing.

*sulks back into the labyrinth of WCC laws and such, hoping for a resolution*


Oh, and just to say, I am actively planning to have this "new" WCC Charter open soon; since there are revisions that may (as in will) substantially alter the meaning of some of the clauses, I am unilaterally going to put this up for a general vote by the WCC whenever I am finished with this (or whatever is decided by the President). I am down the final touches (i.e. GRAMMER!) and I hopefully will have it out for public ridicule and humiliation this weekend (pending any home disasters).

And of course, as I do write this thing, I am actively adding constructive suggestions to the proposed draft revision/replacement/refurnishment/re-undoing/something of items that I feel would not be debated as lightly (although we'll see when it comes out). The more serious stuff I'll leave out until the debate has settled on something more firm and solid.

I'd like to ask those of you who defend the EWCC to explain why it's *necessary* to keep the EWCC in light of the fact we have a WCC WITHOUT using the "it's tradition" argument or "there's never been a problem with it before." What BESIDES TRADITION justifies keeping the EWCC?

Let's look at this way. We usually encourage first time bidders to bid for the BoF or CoH because it provides that taste of what it is like to run the WC but on a vastly smaller scale. We want them to get the know how of what it means to be a host nation and the duties it entails. These bidees then use that knowledge to assess whether or not they are capable of hosting the WC itself. So as you can see, these are stepping stones to hosting the WC itself, which I've mentioned takes a lot of time and effort to do. It is then that those who have previously hosted should be the ones to vote upon these tournaments while those who provide the substance of the WC, the WCC, votes upon the bigger and more important tournament.

What besides tradition justifies keeping boards of directors in companies rather than letting shareholders run them? What besides tradition justifies keeping FIFA when you have UEFA, AFC, CONCACAF, CONMEBOL, CAF?

What besides tradition justifies keeping boards of directors in companies rather than letting shareholders run them? What besides tradition justifies keeping FIFA when you have UEFA, AFC, CONCACAF, CONMEBOL, CAF?

The things you mentioned have overarching reasons for being. The EWCC's is debatable.

By all means, make an RP about it, but to suggest the EWCC should be dissolved because it didn't come to a result that he'd have liked is a bit unfair.

Qazox: I was the one who voted against your bid, mostly because I forgot there was a reopen nominations option. My only reservation is that you're already hosting the WBC at the same time, hence my opposition.

I thought that hosting the WBC probably would be the reason why. However I unless I believed that I could handle the scorination of the two events simlutaneously, I wouldn't have bid for either hosting duty. (Besides, hasn't someone else hosted two events at the same time before?)

As for using the BoF/CoH as a stepping stone to a WC hosting. Since (and I believe I've stated this before somewhere else on this thread) I'm probably NEVER going to host a World Cup, since the scorinator I use is different than the usual World Cup ones, and other than my brothers accounts (Prux and Green wombat) it would be too much time/effort to have to send my scorinator formula to a co-host, who might not be able to utilize it the way I can (though a few probabaly could). So Unless I can get a host bid with Qazox/Green wombat or Qazox/Prux through (the Cubs will win a World Series before that happens), I'm not hosting a World Cup.

As president, I try to remain as neutral as possible, but I'll make a few comments here given the ongoing debates.

Though there's no precedent that I know of, I personally refrain from voting in host bids because of precisely the sort of situation we're in now. Now, I happen to have an opinion on how I would have voted on the initial BoF vote, but I'm not going to tell you what it is. I will note that had I used that vote, the only way I could have broken the tie was by voting for; the way the that the vote was constructed (albeit mistakenly - as Zwangzug has pointed out), any vote for the other two options would still have required a run-off. Since the rules allow for a run-off, and since the opinion of the EWCC was fairly divided, I decided to allow that run-off to go ahead. I will use my vote to break the tie should the run-off also result in a tie. I want to remain as studiously impartial as possible.


As far as the EWCC is concerned, I will admit that I would think it a shame to abolish it. Both for historical reasons, as one of the co-founders of its original incarnation, and because - as a British archaeologist - I probably have a secret soft spot for arcane bureaucracies based as much on historical precedent as efficiency. If you're looking for a footballing equivalent, may I suggest the International Board, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Football_Association_Board) which still technically sets the rules of the game, and on which the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish FAs still have permanent representatives for purely historical reasons even though this is clearly an anachronism.

On the other hand, I won't abuse my powers - such as they are - to suppress what I consider to be a valid debate on what the name and powers of the EWCC should be. The debate may have been prompted by the current situation, but I see no sign (and remember, I'm the only person who knows how everyone voted), that this debate is prompted by disappointment at the outcome of the vote. We should remember that A) Qazox may still end up hosting the tournament and B) Qazox himself has accepted the democratic vote with little more than a metaphorical raised eyebrow that someone voted flatly against him.

We currently have a proposal from Krytenia on changing the name of the committee, a nascent proposal (which I'm willing to put to a vote if written up) from Taeshan on restricting the EWCC's powers to certain emergency situations (such as finding a replacement host), and an opinion from Sarzonia stating that the EWCC should be abolished entirely, which could be turned into a proposal [the Commerce Heights proposal on reforming host voting slightly is separate, and can be voted on separately].

Once the voting process for the BoF is complete, I'll take a look at whatever formal proposals have been made, and put them to a vote. That essentially gives you until Sunday to come up with a formal proposal on the EWCC.

If I could ask a favour... if you have made a formal proposal in the last couple of days, or make one in the next couple of days, please TG that proposal to Alasdair I Frosticus. This will help ensure that I don't accidentally lose a proposal while wading through multiple pages of the WCDT.

And remember kids... there's bound to be a lot of disagreement out there - let's try and keep the debate civil (which so far you're all managing).

And to throw my hat into the ring (possibly as the creator of this big "Re-open nominations" mess (which I'd like to point out I stole from the Students Union, so blame them)), would it be an idea to ask the people IN the BoF what they'd like to happen?

A) Get on with it! Yes, get on with it! </holygrail> (IE: Qazox got the most votes out of the three options available (He got 4, one got 3, one got 1, the - therefore he wins, screw the other 1/2 who voted against, no single option got more or as many as he did), so Qazox'll host it)
B) Hold a new vote; Qazox or R.O.N.
C) Hold a new vote; Qazox or Krytenia, if his proposal is in in a sufficient time so as it could be voted on.

The problem with 8 voters is not that the EWCC is just composed of 8 lazy power-hungry folk who are trying to gobble up the world (well, I'm not at least). The problem with that is that there were only 8 people inclined to vote at that time.

And I'll admit being one of those who didn't vote. Probably because (in the past, anyway) the vote to confirm the lone bid has always basically been just a rubber stamp. I guess the process is here for a reason after all...

Am I the only one that's surprised by the fact that we let almost anyone vote on who gets to host the giant tournament with 80+ nations, and around 20 rounds of matches, but let the 10-15 person competition get voted on by a group of elites?


Nope, this is why I asked my original question. The CoH more then the BoF is the tournament I wondered about, since let's face it, how many EWCC members play in the CoH? (though the same is true for the BoF)

I liked the explanation though. Makes sense.

OK, so we’ve got two problems. The first one about Qazox and his bid for the host, which is, in my eyes, a case for the EWCC. Next we have the question about the EWCC.
If I’m correct, people who would like to see it abolished say that it is ineffective and keeps power to a select group of people. It only handles issues that could be handled by the WCC as well. The people who would like to remain with it argue that it is sensible to let them pick people for the minor tournaments, as they have experience with it and it’s got historic value.
My personal opinion is that both sides are correct. The EWCC has it’s uses, but it might be a bit outdated. That’s why I propose the following:

The EWCC becomes a part of the WCC. By this I mean that the EWCC members will get the status of member Extraordinaire in the WCC and that the first formally will exist, but in practise won’t except for the special occasions. The WCC will votes on all bids, but in case of the small tournaments (the BoF and CoH), the members’ Extraordinaire votes will be counted double. This way they’ll have bigger influence, while the other countries still have a voice. In case of special occasions (tragedies ect.) the EWCC will be the ones to take decisions.

This seems in my eyes a fine solution, so I thought I'd share it. Opinions? Did I manage to forget something?

Kill me for being a little democratic, but when I said that the current criteria for joining the EWCC doesn't necessarily measure maturity or intelligence, just a matter whether you've hosted a WC or not. Making the same criterion count double for BoF and CoH doesn't make much sense and honestly will only make a difference if the non-voter-apathetic kinsmen decide not to vote.

I personally think that some sort of democratic mechanism of selecting the EWCC would be a better (not perfect) manner of choosing people. My problem is that when will we have elections? How often? And how many? And as with nearly all problems related to elections, who would vote? I mean, of course, the WCC would take the matter, but who sincerely would come every three World Cups just to vote for some old fart to take up some guarded mantle that says "WCC PRESIDENT"? And who would run for it?

It's probably a fairer way to determine who gets to determine who hosts the smaller tournaments and such. But just as all bureaucracies, it may add needless work to the process that has functioned properly for its time. And to say that the EWCC is ineffective isn't true. If the same tie vote were cast in the WCC, we would be having the same problem of running a re-run. The fact that there is a tie in votes (actually, not a tie, but no clear 50%+1 majority) says that a significant proportion of the voting EWCC members may have apprehensions about the host or the hosting bid. Liventia mentioned that he was concerned about Qazox hosting two important tournaments at the same time, a justified concern. As for the others, I'm not so certain. Anyway, the tie in votes is the problem; to suggest that the EWCC is ineffective is to suggest in some round-about manner that the WCC is also ineffective (as the EWCC members are also WCC members). If a significant number of the voting members in the WCC had their objections to the recent WC hosting bid, we may have had the same problem (thankfully for il Presidente, we didn't). I personally think that having two options saying "I don't like this" in different ways doesn't make much sense; revising that provision in itself would solve some of the ineffectiveness of the EWCC and the WCC.

*shuts up and goes back to his writing lair*

ugh, and you waited until now to tell us that?I hadn't remembered the original wording of the rule, I only looked it up at the Archregimancy's request.

Blast. All I could think of was Exclusive and Elite (and Easter-Bunny (yeah, I know...)), but yours actually makes sense.
"Why not 'Easter-Bunny'?" :p

Harvey McWabbit.

Myedvedeya and Bears Armed weigh in.

http://pic.bgstuff.net/data/media/68/bear-how-about-no-wj9.jpg
(Image's url saved, for potential future use...)

methinks we suddenly have too many bears...
Impossible!

In response to Daehanjeiguk, I don't believe the EWCC should be an elected body; at least not a fully-elected body. The current crop of EWCC members plus say five rotating members every two or three cups? The five members to be elected (or selected) would perhaps come from a list of WCC members who have exercised the right to vote at least twice out of the last three votes they were eligible for — this solves the issue of voter apathy. I'm still dead set against removing the current EWCC just because people don't like it. As has been represented in this thread by a few non-EWCC members, there's no reason to change anything. The system works.

As has been represented in this thread by a few non-EWCC members, there's no reason to change anything. The system works.

Only to preserve an elitist structure that disenfranchises far too many people who actually have a stake in roleplaying this game-within-a-game.

No wonder some otherwise solid people give up on the World Cup.

In response to Daehanjeiguk, I don't believe the EWCC should be an elected body; at least not a fully-elected body. The current crop of EWCC members plus say five rotating members every two or three cups? The five members to be elected (or selected) would perhaps come from a list of WCC members who have exercised the right to vote at least twice out of the last three votes they were eligible for — this solves the issue of voter apathy. I'm still dead set against removing the current EWCC just because people don't like it. As has been represented in this thread by a few non-EWCC members, there's no reason to change anything. The system works.

Problem with that is that the list of voting members is often kept a secret for confidentiality. Unless we decide to start doing public votes...

I hadn't remembered the original wording of the rule, I only looked it up at the Archregimancy's request.


It's okaay, I said it as a joke...

Only to preserve an elitist structure that disenfranchises far too many people who actually have a stake in roleplaying this game-within-a-game.

No wonder some otherwise solid people give up on the World Cup.

Because they're tired of only voting for the World Cup hosts and don't get a say in the BoF and CoH hosting votes? Oh please, give me a break.

The whole point of the WCC as we know it now is to extend the list of electors to the maximum possible of people who actually give a crap about the WC.

Problem with that is that the list of voting members is often kept a secret for confidentiality.

Eh? That's never been the case as far as I know (and I should know fairly well, having served multiple terms as president).

Oh wait, sorry, I misread that; you meant the list of members who actually voted, not just those who were eligible. Never mind.

If LE or anyone else went and proposed a system where the EWCC was expanded by 3 voted-in members (criteria for eligibility to be decided, perhaps rosters for the last 5 WCs?), I'd be in favour of it... in fact

Bostopian FA Proposal to Expand the EWCC

We propose to amend the EWCC to include three members of the WCC voted in by their peers* to "represent" the WCC in the EWCC. The "representatives" would have the same voting powers as the permanent EWCC members, and would be eligible to vote on hosting bids for the Baptism of Fire and the Cup of Harmony.

Criteria for eligibility; The WCC nation must have poster a roster for their team - or their "puppet" - for the last 5 World Cups.**

Further, we add that the WCC Representatives would hold their post for a full two-WC rotation. In cases of nations expiring, a unique vote would be held as soon as possible, so as not to hold up voting on BoF or CoH.

We believe that by opening up the number of nations able to vote on CoH or BoF hosting bids, then a majority vote is more likely.

*Their peers being the WCC members, who may NOT vote for themselves.
**Any players who's main nation and puppet are eligible for voting must either A) State that all votes should goto one of the two nations or B) Face having votes for their puppet being automatically transferred to the main nation.

The problem I see with expanding the EWCC is that there is already a huge amount of voting apathy within the WCC. Adding additional voting processes makes about as little sense as just handpicking people to be added, as well as adding an unneeded extra week between tournaments.

Edit: This is ESF/Demot

The problem I see with expanding the EWCC is that there is already a huge amount of voting apathy within the WCC. Adding additional voting processes makes about as little sense as just handpicking people to be added, as well as adding an unneeded extra week between tournaments.

Edit: This is ESF/Demot

Alternatively, I could amend it to say WCC members should stand for election, and their voting records disclosed. Not full records, just records that would say whether they voted or not, without saying what choice they actually voted for.

OFFICIAL PRESIDENTIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

The results of the run-off BoF host vote are as follows:
(please note that no presidential tie-breaking vote was necessary)

For Qazox: 3

For Re-opening Bids: 4


The bidding process is hereby officially re-open.

I'll assume that Krytenia's bid is going forward, as previously specified.

I'd like Qazox to confirm whether or not he'll put forward his bid again.

Anyone else may also put forward a bid to host the BoF.

The deadline for new or confirmed bids is Sunday, 18:00/6:00pm UK time.

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completely unofficial presidential personal opinion

Note that, in my opinion, the EWCC is already democratically accountable as:

1) Membership of the EWCC can only be achieved through being elected as a World Cup host via the entire WCC (the only two exceptions would have been Ariddia and myself for hosting the first two World Cups, but we've both subsequently won contested elections to serve as co-hosts).

2) The rules governing the rights and responsibilities of the EWCC are subject to the approval of the entire WCC, and can be changed by a vote of the latter body (as the current debate demonstrates).

In short, we already elect EWCC members via the host voting process, and the WCC already decides what the responsibilities of the EWCC are.


And remember, kids - please keep debate civil. Passions are clearly running high. Remember, it's just a game.

*me KILLZ the WCC and sets up his pet rock as the new Dictator-for-Life of the NSWC, BoF, and CoH*

That solves all of our problems :p

EWCC is only former 'World Cup' hosts? Not former BoF & CoH hosts (who haven't also hosted a WC) too? Hr'rmm, how about adding the latter group to its roster?

Tae14-Herein is stated the future of the Commitees for the World Cup.
1. The WCC will take over all voting responsibilities when a vote is put forth by the elected president of the WCC.
2. The EWCC will not be disbanded, but kept in order until such time as it is needed to vote on a proposal in which-1. The WCC can't come to a final decision with in the anointed time, as par to majority of the votes. 2. It is needed to replace a host who has been voted on by the WCC, but who is unable at some point during there hosing time to finish hosting.
3. The President of the WCC shall have the power if he finds the voted on hosts to not do there job as they had stated in the way it has been done since the dawn of the World Cup. Then if he deems them uncapable the EWCC shall also be used as an emergency council to make the decision.

So, with your second point, you are either eliminating RON (run-off) voting or you are making the EWCC a figurehead with no power, which is it?

The future's bright. The future's turquoise. OK, sky blue... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=582794)

My only thing about it is this: IF the 4 who did vote yes, vote yes again, while the 1 person who voted no, voted to re-open the bids we'd still be at the same point.

To be honest, I voted "YES" the first time. (Ironically, I voted "RON" to the WC45 host vote!)

So this wouldn't have happened anyway.

I'll admit this is viewable only in Superhindsightomation, but hey, it's nice to know...

To be honest, I voted "YES" the first time. (Ironically, I voted "RON" to the WC45 host vote!)

So this wouldn't have happened anyway.

I'll admit this is viewable only in Superhindsightomation, but hey, it's nice to know...

*note to self - avoiding importing Krytenian iron, as you'll never know what's in it...*

And a reply to il Presidente's unofficial opinion:

'Tis democratic to elect new members to the EWCC, but when you're also neglecting the term limits, it gets iffy down the road.

If we created an election scheme to allow members to serve terms akin to the WCC President and Vice President, it could potentially open the process a bit more and reduce this perception of the EWCC as an "elitest" body (and if you go by some definitions of "elite (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elite)", it is such). My only quaff with the issue of electing members is that you'd have to convince a considerable number of members to be candidates, to convince another considerable number of members to vote for those candidates, and then to convince those people to do their jobs. In principle, it wouldn't be hard to do; in practice, it might be the death of the WCC.

So... anyone else with any more bright ideas?

My only quaff with the issue of electing members is that you'd have to convince a considerable number of members to be candidates, to convince another considerable number of members to vote for those candidates, and then to convince those people to do their jobs.

Bostopia's proposal would get around this to some extent, by having only three (actually I like LE's original idea of 5) positions that need filled. That really isn't so much of an overbearing number, I don't think.

Also I think the idea proposed by Bears Armed (add CoH/BoF hosts to the EWCC) also has some merit.

Past CoH and BoF hosts for the most part go on to host the full thing anyway. There can't possibly be many in that former group who aren't already in that latter group. I'd guess no more than two or three, really.

I'm still in favour of keeping the current EWCC, and if any changes need to be made they should be 3-5 new members added to the current crop.

Yes Arch, My bid is still active.
In fact I'll state this for the thread:

If unsuccessful in winning the bid for the upcoming BoF, Qazox will place the same bid for the BoF for WC46.

Bostopia's proposal would get around this to some extent, by having only three (actually I like LE's original idea of 5) positions that need filled. That really isn't so much of an overbearing number, I don't think.

Also I think the idea proposed by Bears Armed (add CoH/BoF hosts to the EWCC) also has some merit.

Then I suggest the proposal be voted on in A) It's current form and B) It's current form spare for the number of represenatives being increased to 5.

However, debate on the subject might be needed before I go prodding the Pres. for a vote.

PRESIDENTIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

Let's do this as quickly as possible...

BoF host vote take 2.

There are two bids, from Krytenia and Qazox.


EWCC members only can vote for either.

Deadline is 20:00 UK time tomorrow (Monday).

Votes may be sent to the Archregimancy or Alasdair I Frosticus


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We can revisit the voting for the various proposals that are out there once the BoF voting is over.

Note that I have to admit that I'm personally not in favour of proposals that will create additional voting for additional EWCC positions for the simple reason that I think our rules are in danger of becoming too complex as it is. I want to keep things as simple as possible; somewhat ironically given my nations, I don't want things become too Byzantine.

That said, I'll dutifully put foward all formal proposals for a vote. I might ask people to remind me what those proposals actually are in the next couple of days.

Returning to my own theme of how I want to keep things as simple as possible, I'll be proposing my own minimalist reform to the EWCC, simply stating that "The EWCC shall consist of all former WC hosts, plus the current WCC president and Vice-President where the latter are not already members of the committee in their own right".

That adds up to two additional EWCC members with both term limits and democracy built-in.

This is an official (and redundant) vote abstention.

Or, you know, we could just get rid of the EWCC and do what I've been saying we should be doing for several years... ;)

Or, you know, we could just get rid of the EWCC and do what I've been saying we should be doing for several years... ;)

I'm still unclear on how you're going to make baked-bean wrestling work online.

Or, you know, we could just get rid of the EWCC and do what I've been saying we should be doing for several years... ;)

Sacrificing peasants to Margaret isn't going to solve anything.

Or, you know, we could just get rid of the EWCC and do what I've been saying we should be doing for several years... ;)

Killing elves solves nothing.

Baked-bean wrestling online just requires effort, peasants reduce the anger of Margaret, elves are a blight upon the world...

...but I was actually referring to just letting the WCC vote for everything.

Baked-bean wrestling online

Can anyone come up with a scorinator for that?

Can anyone come up with a scorinator for that?

Here's how it works:

Contestant One = FAIL
Contestant Two = FAIL

Simple, no?

Killing elves solves nothing.
I wish to test your theory...

*SQUICK* *SQUELCH* *FONG*

Hmm....

Maybe if I laid that pointy-eared corpse at a tangent of forty-two degrees...

YES! The solution to Hilbert's tenth problem!!!

Here's how it works:

Contestant One = FAIL
Contestant Two = FAIL

Simple, no?

So, Yaf/Baz host every cup? Because baked-bean wrestling fails?

Nurse! More hallucinogens!!!

Nurse! More hallucinogens!!!

Be careful what you wish for!

So, Yaf/Baz host every cup? Because baked-bean wrestling fails?

Nurse! More hallucinogens!!!

No amount of hallucinogens will cause you to beat Sarzonia in penalties! :tongue:

No amount of hallucinogens will cause you to beat Sarzonia in penalties! :tongue:

"... and if he makes this shot, Krytenia will beat Sarzonia on penalty kicks in the World Cup Final. He goes up for the shot! Oh! And the ball beats the keeper, but a bird swoops in, and the ball hits the bird! PAFF! A puff of feathers, but the ball is outside the net! It's outside the net! And whaddoyaknow? A bird of all things saves the penalty kick!"

So, Yaf/Baz host every cup? Because baked-bean wrestling fails?

Nurse! More hallucinogens!!!

Isn't that what ESF's most recent run is anyway, a collective LSD-induced delusion? (When in fact, Qazox has won every World Cup since WC40...)

Isn't that what ESF's most recent run is anyway, a collective LSD-induced delusion? (When in fact, Qazox has won every World Cup since WC40...)

You remind of this T-shirt

http://www.jamminshirts.com/catalog/reject-reality-with-busted-.jpg

:p

The oneirologists of the Dreamed Realm know a thing or two about reality and these 'hallucinations' of which you speak.

And somewhere out there, there is a reality where the Krytenia-Sarzonia bean wrestling final, hosted by Yafor 2 and Bazalonia, and watched by a crowd of carrion birds feasting on the flesh of dead elves, ended in a penalty shoot out (using beans).

It remains the single most flatulent event in interdimensional sporting history.

"... and if he makes this shot, Krytenia will beat Sarzonia on penalty kicks in the World Cup Final. He goes up for the shot! Oh! And the ball beats the keeper, but a bird swoops in, and the ball hits the bird! PAFF! A puff of feathers, but the ball is outside the net! It's outside the net! And whaddoyaknow? A bird of all things saves the penalty kick!"

Damn Falcanians.

On a minor side note BLINK IS BACK. Waht does this have to do with the World Cup???? Absolutely nothing, but since i used the term it counts towards being a part of the discussion.

Presidential Announcement:

The results of the Baptism of Fire hosting vote are as follows:

Krytenia - 5

Qazox - 3

Krytenia are the hosts of the next Baptism of Fire.


I'm going to go and update the sign-up thread now. My time for NS is going to be limited for the rest of this week (I have some editing to do at home), but I'll try to start organising some sort of vote over all of the recent proposals by Saturday at the latest. Apologies for any inconvenience.

I've TGed the three "potentials" for the BoF, will try and have the BoF closed no later than Wednesday, depending on interest.

Presidential Announcement:

The results of the Baptism of Fire hosting vote are as follows:

Krytenia - 5

Qazox - 3

Krytenia are the hosts of the next Baptism of Fire.

*stares to Qazox*

Oxen time?

*stares to Qazox*

Oxen time?

Uhhh NO. No Oxen Cup this cycle.

Kry, have a good time hosting it.

Uhhh NO. No Oxen Cup this cycle.

Kry, have a good time hosting it.

Bad luck there, but I'm sure you would have a good job if you had won.

Uhhh NO. No Oxen Cup this cycle.

Kry, have a good time hosting it.
Thanks Qaz. Good luck for BoF33...unless you decide to bid for the next CoH of course! (Hint Hint)

Thanks Qaz. Good luck for BoF33...unless you decide to bid for the next CoH of course! (Hint Hint)

I'm bidding for both.

I'm bidding for both.
So many oxen....so naked...

So many oxen....so naked...

That's what hallucinations do to you. Now put on your pants, step away from the cows, and get your boots ready for football!

So many oxen....so naked...

HEY! We wear Unis now! The oxen don't, but the teams do. :p

So many oxen....so naked...

Pervert. :tongue:

I don't want to mate with the oxen, dammit!!!

I don't want to mate with the oxen, dammit!!!

You left yourself wide open for that one. ;)

You left yourself wide open for that one. ;)
Pervert. :p

Pervert. :p

At least I admit it. :p

At least I admit it. :p
Let's call it a draw.

Oh, and no penalty shoot-out, either.

Let's call it a draw.

That's what she......you know, actually, forget it, I don't think that one applies here.

You people give me nothing to work with. :p

You people give me nothing to work with.

IN BED!

*Crickets chirp.*
*Dancougar dodges an airborne shoe.*

That's what she......you know, actually, forget it, I don't think that one applies here.

You people give me nothing to work with. :p

If it was easy, it wouldn't be fun.










Oh, no, wait, that's what she said...

Just curious, what's happening with the Di Bradini Cup?