NationStates Jolt Archive

Somehow I get the feeling my nation's name would be one of the more difficult to transliterate.

(The "ph" in the middle is actually pronounced "pf", not just "f", in case that helps.)

Somehow I get the feeling my nation's name would be one of the more difficult to transliterate.

(The "ph" in the middle is actually pronounced "pf", not just "f", in case that helps.)

Actually, it's the "v" that's going to kill me.

Koreans (and Chinese, as far as I am aware) don't have a "v" sound. The "ph" could become "b","p", or even "w" just as easily, but "v"?

I'd probably go something like "Beo-peul-lo".

FYI, if you guys really want me to waste my time doing this, go here and make it a snazzy RP/letter/invitation:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528461

It's the link labeled "Foreign" in my siggy for those who care.

I blame Qazox ^_^;

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh106/newtypezaku/dan-fricking-cougar.jpg

I blame Qazox ^_^;

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh106/newtypezaku/dan-fricking-cougar.jpg

LOL

I blame Qazox ^_^;

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh106/newtypezaku/dan-fricking-cougar.jpg

My first venture to the Second Round was also my first venture to the World Cup - unfortunately (or fortunately), I lost the Second Round.

About those scores generated earlier.. Interesting that IT DON'T MATTER. RANK does (for the most part) during the Cup. And RPing to a point.


And what does that do for me? NADA.

I think iI came in at the wrong time. All of the still-RPing teams from WC's 24-26 have done well in the Cup and the Team from WC 30 on ahve done well. But Tynelia has done better than me so there goes that theory as well.

So once again I bring up this point:

QAZOX IS CURSED!

About those scores generated earlier.. Interesting that IT DON'T MATTER. RANK does (for the most part) during the Cup. And RPing to a point.

And what does that do for me? NADA.

I think iI came in at the wrong time. All of the still-RPing teams from WC's 24-26 have done well in the Cup and the Team from WC 30 on ahve done well. But Tynelia has done better than me so there goes that theory as well.

So once again I bring up this point:

QAZOX IS CURSED!

One theory among many. And all of the littler children must learn them all, no matter how unscientifically founded they are!

QAZOX IS CURSED!

In an effort to lift whatever curse is afflicting the sporting nation of Qazox, students at the University of Helmut have burned the Bartman ball, fed a billy goat some delicious Kentucky bluegrass, and retroactively vetoed the sale of Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees. There may or may not have been rubber chickens involved, and students say that they may also be able to vanquish materialized evil spirits with their bottle of ghost-zapping root beer.

QAZOX IS CURSED!

See? that's what happens when you oppress the Pruxian peoples for over 250 years until you let them free with a bottle cap, a rubber band and a wet blanket, with holes in it.

In an effort to lift whatever curse is afflicting the sporting nation of Qazox, students at the University of Helmut have burned the Bartman ball, fed a billy goat some delicious Kentucky bluegrass, and retroactively vetoed the sale of Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees. There may or may not have been rubber chickens involved, and students say that they may also be able to vanquish materialized evil spirits with their bottle of ghost-zapping root beer.

Uhm... it's much more effective to eat garlic and ginger for the rest of your life, but I'm not complaining. I'd wonder what retroactively vetoing any sale of any person (particularly a non-football playing person) would do for the football plague currently afflicting Qazox.

Just as an FYI, if Prazkoy actually does well (despite the loss to Jeru FC, they're doing remarkably well) and reaches the second round of the CoH, I will resubmit their entrance to the World Cup and send a team of exorcists instead. I nearly had one good RP with Pazhujeb, but he never replied (still has not :(). Oh well, his loss... And don't ask me how this makes any sense whatsoever.

...and retroactively vetoed the sale of Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees.

Thank god that right now in NYC there's a crap load of First, Second and Third Graders that have never seen a Yankees World Series victory!!!! :D:D:D:D:D


Or else I'd have to do some nasty things to a certain NADCOUGAR country....lol


CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS IS MY 400TH post on the NWCDT??? No? :P to u then.

Thank god that right now in NYC there's a crap load of First, Second and Third Graders that have never seen a Yankees World Series victory!!!! :D:D:D:D:D


Or else I'd have to do some nasty things to a certain NADCOUGAR country....lol

Oh no! We have first, second, and third graders that have never seen a Pirates winning season :-/ Revenue sharing, what?

Hmmm.... "You've been kicked in the Nadcougar"....

Uhm... it's much more effective to eat garlic and ginger for the rest of your life, but I'm not complaining. I'd wonder what retroactively vetoing any sale of any person (particularly a non-football playing person) would do for the football plague currently afflicting Qazox.

Just as an FYI, if Prazkoy actually does well (despite the loss to Jeru FC, they're doing remarkably well) and reaches the second round of the CoH, I will resubmit their entrance to the World Cup and send a team of exorcists instead. I nearly had one good RP with Pazhujeb, but he never replied (still has not :(). Oh well, his loss... And don't ask me how this makes any sense whatsoever.

Jeru FC were the winners of the last CoH, the loss wasn't unexpected.

Jeru FC were the winners of the last CoH, the loss wasn't unexpected.

Actually, Prazkoy ranked last in the group. That record should be 0-0-3, not 2-0-1. So what I've said should have been translated as "Despite that last match falling to expectations" instead of "Despite playing horribly that last match".

I've been expecting a blow-out, but have yet to see it. I mean, rank 112 is going to eventually meet someone who has enough thrill in their boots to shake every Prazi citizen to Hell (despite the fervent faith of every Prazi citizen...).

Actually, Prazkoy ranked last in the group. That record should be 0-0-3, not 2-0-1. So what I've said should have been translated as "Despite that last match falling to expectations" instead of "Despite playing horribly that last match".

I've been expecting a blow-out, but have yet to see it. I mean, rank 112 is going to eventually meet someone who has enough thrill in their boots to shake every Prazi citizen to Hell (despite the fervent faith of every Prazi citizen...).

I think blow-out scores really only turn up when say a Jeruselem play a low ranked team. Jeru FC at their rank rarely wins big anyway due to their crappy defense.

Jeru FC at their rank rarely wins big anyway due to their crappy defense.

Which is very ironic for an ARMY TEAM, don't ya think? lol:headbang:

Which is very ironic for an ARMY TEAM, don't ya think? lol:headbang:

Ya, that's what happens when you play +3 without a high rank! :p
Jeruselem would be OK but Jeru FC got destroyed a few times this World Cup 40. Well, more than a few times ...

C&M and the SLANI did a great job ruining Jeru FC's goal difference.

Oh no! We have first, second, and third graders that have never seen a Pirates winning season :-/ Revenue sharing, what?

Hmmm.... "You've been kicked in the Nadcougar"....

How to speak Dancougarese:

NADCOUGAR (n): the genitalia of a female Homo sapiens; the genitalia of a male Homo sapiens; the 4th hour of daylight in a Roman forum; You've been kicked in the ***. (v): to pull an object from an undisclosed location; to retrieve an object from an undisclosed location; to wait at the 4th hour of daylight; I've ***ed for four hours! (adj): in a manner of pulling an object from an undisclosed location; in a manner of retrieving an object from an undisclosed location; completely unexpected and otherwise improbable; The National Team went out in a *** way. (inter.) a vulgar expression, indicating a curse upon any person in particular; ***!

Which is very ironic for an ARMY TEAM, don't ya think? lol:headbang:

eh, armies are prized for their offensive power, not their defensive capabilities.

See RL examples for evidence.

How to speak Dancougarese:

NADCOUGAR (n): the genitalia of a female Homo sapiens; the genitalia of a male Homo sapiens; the 4th hour of daylight in a Roman forum; You've been kicked in the ***. (v): to pull an object from an undisclosed location; to retrieve an object from an undisclosed location; to wait at the 4th hour of daylight; I've ***ed for four hours! (adj): in a manner of pulling an object from an undisclosed location; in a manner of retrieving an object from an undisclosed location; completely unexpected and otherwise improbable; The National Team went out in a *** way. (inter.) a vulgar expression, indicating a curse upon any person in particular; ***!

I've been NADCOUGARED in 8 Cups!

(v): to pull an object from an undisclosed location; to retrieve an object from an undisclosed location

In the event of presidential succession, Dick Cheney would've been nadcougared?

Rejistania: Karelan.
World Cups won: 4 (12, 17, 18 & 23, so the NSwiki says)

Offensively-minded wins World Cups? Rubbish!

Moot point. They were all before the debut of Style Mods to the WC scene, which we have none other than KP to blame ;)

Actually, now after having used NSFS (and having a discussion with our beloved WCC President, the program's author), I do have to say that stats aside, there is a bias added to all of the styles. A quick explanation:

In NSFS, Style Mods only affect the number of attacks added to the base attacks. Each team receives the same amount of these extra attacks, which are calculated based on the sum of the style modifiers chosen by the two teams. An attacking modifier increases the number of attacks per side, while a defensive modifier reduces them. In neither case is the goal threshold affected.

So, knowing this, who benefits from more attacks? The higher ranked team. For each attack, they have a certain better chance of scoring than their lower-ranked opponent. If more attacks are added, but this advantage per attack remains constant, their odds of winning only improve.

Therefore, a team who is the top-ranked in their group (and will stay so after RP bonuses are factored in) should, when this method of style modifier is used, always choose the highest attacking mod allowed.

Meanwhile, who benefits most from less attacks? The lower-ranked team. Again, knowing the info above, since the advantage per attack held by the higher-ranked side is constant, less attacks will lower their overall advantage, making an upset or a draw more likely.

Therefore, any team who will be the worst team in their group should always choose the most defensive style mod, in order to improve their odds of success.

Now that you all know how to game the system, what do you think of style modifiers? :p

Now that you all know how to game the system, what do you think of style modifiers? :p

That has been a problem since they were invented by TnUI for the U21WC (I'm fairly sure it was him, not KP who first put it into practice on NS, though KP was probably the first WC host to do so), with an obvious 'best' system to choose in his old AOD, DEF, NOR, ATT, AOA - usually it was 'DEF', iirc.

*waits for the top ten in the world to all go +5 for WC41*

Actually, Prazkoy ranked last in the group. That record should be 0-0-3, not 2-0-1. So what I've said should have been translated as "Despite that last match falling to expectations" instead of "Despite playing horribly that last match".

I've been expecting a blow-out, but have yet to see it. I mean, rank 112 is going to eventually meet someone who has enough thrill in their boots to shake every Prazi citizen to Hell (despite the fervent faith of every Prazi citizen...).

I think your modifier has a lot to do with Prazkoy's success. I've hinted at it in my RP's, but your a -5 in a group of offensive teams (us and the Turks in particular), which is a very good strategy for you in my opinion. I called for Prazkoy to be a sleeper in my pre-CoH RP too, ya know. ;)

I think your modifier has a lot to do with Prazkoy's success. I've hinted at it in my RP's, but your a -5 in a group of offensive teams (us and the Turks in particular), which is a very good strategy for you in my opinion. I called for Prazkoy to be a sleeper in my pre-CoH RP too, ya know. ;)

Jeru FC are +3 team ... and Jeruselem are +2 team.

Actually Jeruselem started the World Cup 11 with the same as 0 modifier, but later that was changed to +1 which seemed make a difference with progress. But when Jeruselem kicked changed to +2 then things got much better.

Jeru FC is an experiment with +3 modifier and seeing how well it does. I don't like the defensive frailties of +3 at low rank much ...

*waits for the top ten in the world to all go +5 for WC41*Keep waiting. I've given up on my personal preferences for the sake of what might bear a farcical resemblance to a plotline, I'm not going to throw that away for the sake of...winning. :p Yes, I "should" be playing about a +6. Yay symmetry.

Or...I could just bounce out of the top 10. That'd work too.

For what it's worth, I had my worst group phase (third place outright, no tiebreaker) the only time I used an attacking style, WC35.

Tynelia started out at -2 for ages with little success. Then i radically changed things and went -1 one cup with not much better. I think i did a +1 and +2 a couple of times and finally broke through. went +3 the first time with the whole Lord of Scores things and got to the semis. back to +1 last time and didn;t get out of the group. the +4 this time is my highest ever.

jariss will be -5 forever cause its much simpler to write up puppet stuff when nothing happens ;)

Now that you all know how to game the system, what do you think of style modifiers? :p

I've never been that fond of them. I can see why they appeal - they can add a certain element of realism - but I've always been concerned that someone so inclined might be able to pick apart the statistical underpinning and rort the system, even if only to a small extent.

And whether justified or not (and for the higher-ranked teams it does appear to be justified), there appears to be a general feeling that the higher your modifier, the better you do.

I'm not going to turn into Sel or Az-cz and start an exasperating and counterproductive campaign for their abolition, but I will go on record as stating that I would give preference to voting for future WC hosting bids that don't use style modifiers so long as the bid is otherwise competent.

Though I suppose that would require us to have more than one hosting bid, which doesn't happen that often anymore.

Wooo, two references to Around the Horn in two straight WC40 RPs!

Wooo, two references to Around the Horn in two straight WC40 RPs!

Not as good as Round the Horne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_the_Horne), though.

I'd just like to say that I really like having a day between matchdays for the World Cup/Cup of Harmony. Gives me more time to think of an RP.

Wooo, two references to Around the Horn in two straight WC40 RPs!

That's fighting talk where I come from.

No, really. The show's called Fighting Talk over here.

I've never been that fond of them. I can see why they appeal - they can add a certain element of realism - but I've always been concerned that someone so inclined might be able to pick apart the statistical underpinning and rort the system, even if only to a small extent.

And whether justified or not (and for the higher-ranked teams it does appear to be justified), there appears to be a general feeling that the higher your modifier, the better you do.

I'm not going to turn into Sel or Az-cz and start an exasperating and counterproductive campaign for their abolition, but I will go on record as stating that I would give preference to voting for future WC hosting bids that don't use style modifiers so long as the bid is otherwise competent.

Though I suppose that would require us to have more than one hosting bid, which doesn't happen that often anymore.

Well, the recent statistical analysis does make me give thought to perhaps changing the way style modifiers are implemented in NSFS. I have to admit I don't really like the fact that there seems to be a distinct working strategy (ultra-defensive when starting out, then über-attacking once you're among the elite). It's something I'll definitely be thinking about in NSFS3, if I ever actually manage to get enough free time to code it.

As for their use in the World Cup, I do still like the idea. That said, I'm not going to boycott one that doesn't have them or anything.

Oh no! We have first, second, and third graders that have never seen a Pirates winning season :-/ Revenue sharing, what?

Oh no! We have ninety-nine year-old people who've never seen a Cubs World Series! *sobs*

We've got dead people who haven't seen a side outside of Europe and South America win the World Cup.

ugh, you vile people!!!!!

Every step of the way is marred! The teams that I want to progress are stuck facing each other, and the ones for whom I care less are facing each other! I just can't win!!!

That's fighting talk where I come from.

No, really. The show's called Fighting Talk over here.


Showdown time between Dancougar and Krytenia... two nations enter, one nation gets face time!

So do you guys still get to hear the glorious ramblings of Jay Mariotti, or do you have your own version where the debates are about sports people care about? :-D

EH, BACK TO SILENT SHOUTING, I SEE?

@ C&M:

What's happened to Lorenzo De Wilde, and his relationship to the civilized world?

Showdown time between Dancougar and Krytenia... two nations enter, one nation gets face time!

So do you guys still get to hear the glorious ramblings of Jay Mariotti, or do you have your own version where the debates are about sports people care about? :-D

As I said in my RP, the show's a radio show, so you can have a listen to it for yourself (http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes/fightingtalk.shtml). People do dislike Colin Murray, but personally I rather like him as host. He tends to overdo sound effects.

oh, what would you do if there weren't a giant pond between us?

About these style modifiers, Qazox, for the most part the past 14 cups, have been offensive leaning, and It hasn't helped. Especially since in every WC except my 1st two, there was at least 1 team ranked lower than me.

Let me take a look at my Style Modifers over the years:


WC27: -1 Result: DNQ
WC28: +2 Result: DNQ
WC29: +2 Result: DNQ
WC30: +2 Result: DNQ
WC31: +2 Result: Qualified, First round flameout (0-1-2)
WC32: +2 Result: DNQ
WC33: +4 Result: Qualified, 1st round Flameout, again. (1-1-1)
WC34: +3 Result: DNQ
WC35: +2 Result: Qualified, another 1st round Flameout. (1-0-2)
WC36: +2 Result: Qualified, yet another 1st round Flameout. (1-0-2)
WC37: 0 Result: Qualified, again another 1st round Flameout. (0-2-1)
WC38: +1 Result: Qualified, another 1st round Flameout? YEP. (0-0-3)
WC39: +1 Result: Qualified, yet another 1st round Flameout again. (0-0-3)
WC40: +1 Result: Qualified, yet again another 1st round Flameout. (1-0-2)
WC41: ?? Result: ????

Average: +1.642 Avg. Result: .5W-.5D-2L per World Cup.

Maybe its because we play nude? or I play my home matches in 5 different stadia? Or maybe its that She-who-shall-not-be-named just doesn't like me.

Other than WC 33, i've either had +2 or +1 for the most part and I've flamed out every time. the only time i was +4.. I STILL FLAMED OUT..So there goes the modifer theory.

Discussions of style modifiers aside (and I'm grateful to Veph/Bedi for acknowledging that this is something to be addressed in NSFS 3, should it ever come to pass - though likewise, I'm hardly going to boycott a cup just because style modifiers are used. Though another thought... we don't have to use NSFS, you know... other scorinators might use different mechanics for addressing style modifiers; perhaps this might be worth a look?)...

You know what I'd like to see OOC?

The gay members of the Jeruselem army ranking their ten hottest men.

IC'ly, the Archregimancy would be compelled to denounce their vile sinful ways, but it would make an interesting change of pace from the usual Jeru obsession with female sexual promiscuity.

Just a thought.

And finally, thanks to Han for correcting the Korean Orthodox Paschal greeting and transliterating into Korean script in the CoH thread.

So there goes the modifer theory.

I think you confuse personal experience with statistical proof (something which I've come very close to doing myself during this discussion).

Say we both flip the same coin 100 times, and you come up with heads 60 times, and I come up with tails 60 times. Neither of us have proven that it comes up on that particular side 60% of the time, merely that in one particular run of 100 flips, it came up on that one side 60% of the time.

Similarly, the experience of Qazox in isolation isn't statistical proof in and of itself.

So when Legalese points out, after consultation with Vephrall, the statistical impact of a higher style modifier for top ten teams in NSFS, I'm more inclined to accept that than the individual experience of either yourself or myself.

And can I gently point out that at least you're qualifying for the World Cup; my main team's only qualified for one of the last four - though whether that has anything to do with the Archregimancy's use of a +0 modifier rather than simple bad luck is at best debateable.

Congrats, Dancougar. Nice job with the penalty shooting, there. *yays the fact that in his goalie description, it says that his goalie's worst skill is penalty-stopping*

Oh man... and my rubber chicken rampage was last World Cup... so Marge has a one-cup latency, perhaps?

So start the sacrifices now for WC41!

nah see Qazox, you did it backwards. you didn;t stick with the negative modifier early on and swapped over to offense too soon. the only way to correct it is to go voerly defensive in wc41 now to make amends. Of course starting a Qazox branch of the New Othydoxic Christian Church of Reborn Othydoxy and accepting the Lord of Scores as your savior aided by the Prophetess Margaret would be the next best option. <nods>

oh and hey i lost to Az-cz again, they're my new Bettia i think, the high ranked team i pretty much always lose to. ;) hmm of course i also got swept by them when they were lower than me too... there goes the Bettia connection.

oof, i forget what day scorination is on, and Demot gets pummeled into 3901 O_o
at least Valanora advanced :) Where we get to meet the bloody freaking champions who just killed my puppet!!! >_<

Wait, so playing the "catennacio" style of football will get you nothing? Darn.

Also, it normally takes what, 5-6 world cups for a new team to get good enough to get into the actual cup?

As has been pointed out by The Archreg, Qazox, it's not a question of personal experience, but rather a the statistical application of the formula. Additionally, I'm not saying that there's any guarantee of victory - the random numbers used determine that - but that the modifiers, if used properly, can help improve the odds of results going in the same direction. Heck, using the NSFS application of modifiers "rationally" (by that, I mean by setting them at the level that helps the best interests of a team's victory) would cancel them out, as a +5 by a top-ranked side would be negated by a -5 from the lower-ranked side. And I haven't even gotten into the most effective strategy for a team who will meet up against both better and worse opponents!

I've accepted the use of style mods, considering they've been used quite often since KP & Audio brought them to the WC, but I do think they can only really be best applied if there is a way to negate any bias they add to the results. That is something that I'm not optimistic on.

What about just adding k*(combined style modifiers) to both team's scores, for some preset constant k? That seems like it would help or hurt them equally.

You'd just have to remember to round up to 0 if two defensive teams were having a bad day, that or generate own goals ;)

I've accepted the use of style mods, considering they've been used quite often since KP & Audio brought them to the WC, but I do think they can only really be best applied if there is a way to negate any bias they add to the results. That is something that I'm not optimistic on.

My only suggestion would be to exaggerate the negative effects of the style mod based on KPB rank. For instance, a high ranked team at +5 will generate a lot of goals, but will cede them more readily (at random, at least) than a worse team using +5? Or something?

I suppose one could delve into the code, so some insane math, and come up with the solution. But that sounds like a lot of work that nobody wants ^_^;

just to get how you propose that: would that be adding k*s (where s = style mod total) to the final score of the match? Or do you mean that in terms of altering the goal threshold for each attack?

And to not double-post, the solution would be to balance style mods so that the odds of scoring stay constant over more (or less) attacks. In which case, the point of style mods seems, well, pointless.

OFFICIAL HOST ANNOUNCEMENT

Starblaydia's computer is a flaming ball of arse right now, so I shall be taking over ALL scorination until further notice (hopefully tomorrow).

Thank you please.

OFFICIAL HOST ANNOUNCEMENT

Starblaydia's computer is a flaming ball of arse right now, so I shall be taking over ALL scorination until further notice (hopefully tomorrow).

Thank you please.

Must be that Adobe CS3 software :)

Must be that Adobe CS3 software :)

Actually, it was "dallaspr0nserver.exe" that did it.

just to get how you propose that: would that be adding k*s (where s = style mod total) to the final score of the match?Yeah, that's what I meant (before rounding).

When you put it that way, it seems too un-random: guaranteed fractions of goals for attacking teams. Oh well.

Yeah, that's what I meant (before rounding).

When you put it that way, it seems too un-random: guaranteed fractions of goals for attacking teams. Oh well.

Not to mention leads to the inevitable b*tching that shall result when advancement comes down to GF. Interesting thought, though.

Hmm, how do we make a draw in chess that's involuntary?...

Of course starting a Qazox branch of the New Othydoxic Christian Church of Reborn Othydoxy and accepting the Lord of Scores as your savior aided by the Prophetess Margaret would be the next best option. <nods>


Yeah... that'll happen the same day Chelsea defeats Liverpool England to advance to the Champion's League Final. <someone whispers in my ear>

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Damn... uhh change that to when Prux makes the World Cup.

Actually, it was "dallaspr0nserver.exe" that did it.

Shouldn't go using beta releases of that man!

Krytenia, will you be doing the Di Bradini Cup too, or is that going to be delayed a bit? Just wondering.

Must be that Adobe CS3 software :)

Strangely enough, my copies of Creative Suite are all perfectly legal and licensed, plus I was using it to do some work at around about the same time it all went to cock.

*shrugs*

Anyway, the Di Bradini Cup will just have a slightly larger pre-tournament build-up as I get everything transferring to this iBook (mmm nice, safe OSX). It just gives everyone a little more time to RP and post a roster ('everyone' meaning me, too).

Hey star will you still be making the kits? sorry if I seem impatient am a tad tired (Long night...)

Hey star will you still be making the kits? sorry if I seem impatient am a tad tired (Long night...)

I have the templates on my work iMac too, so no worries - just a little bit hectic to be making kits when magazine deadlines are *checks clock* fifty minutes away!

Hmm, how do we make a draw in chess that's involuntary?...Stalemate is the obvious one, otherwise some esoteric fifty-move rule or perpetual check.

*embarrassed shrug* Nobody else was answering...

Hmm... you blindfold both players and tell them to visualize the board and play verbally. As they do that, the person actually moving the pieces does whatever the heck they want to produce a draw. When both players are hopelessly confused at the end of the game, you tell them that their memory just isn't as good as they thought it was, and maybe a rousing game of checkers is a better idea.

Yeah... that'll happen the same day Chelsea defeats Liverpool England to advance to the Champion's League Final. <someone whispers in my ear>

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Damn... uhh change that to when Prux makes the World Cup.

Personally, I'd stick with the former, since that's never going to happen, unless someone decides to make a Chelsea FC and a Champion's League in NS, involving Liverpool England and Chelsea (and a great big w00t from me!).

Stalemate is the obvious one, otherwise some esoteric fifty-move rule or perpetual check.

*embarrassed shrug* Nobody else was answering...

Well, I didn't want a stalemate - but that esoteric move gave me an idea... :D hopefully people enjoyed it (the ones that read it...).

I have the templates on my work iMac too, so no worries - just a little bit hectic to be making kits when magazine deadlines are *checks clock* fifty minutes away!

HOLY SCHEIT!

Shouldn't go using beta releases of that man!

You should always use alpha releases of men, because beta releases don't always function right the first time around. Besides, I thought Jeruselemites were into la femme fatale...

woohoo! record 5 posts in a row! (well, not really...)

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You should always use alpha releases of men, because beta releases don't always function right the first time around. Besides, I thought Jeruselemites were into la femme fatale...

Don't worry, our women are still la femme fatale! Someone's got to be Paris Hilton of this World Cup :)

OFFICIAL PRESIDENTIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

Voting is now officially closed.

And the results are:

Baptism of Fire 28 Hosts

Universitus University (Jey): 2
Daehanjeiguk: 8
(Abstentions: 1)

Daehanjeiguk will host!

Proposal AS413

Aye: 6
Nay: 14
(Abstentions: 1)

The proposal fails, meaning treatment of ceased nations remains up to the hosts.

- - -

Due to the end of the semester here and a bit of downtime before my summer internship begins, I will be away from NS for the next two weeks (I may be able to check in for a few minutes each day at most, but that's it).

Therefore...well, we have an interesting succession issue. Casari, as vice president, should take charge here. As far as I know, there is nothing saying you have to be signed up for the upcoming World Cup in order to serve. In the event that he is unable or unwilling to serve...um...hmm. Normally it would go to the person that finished third in the presidential voting. Unfortunately, Novapsolu ceased several days ago. So you may just have to hang tight for a little while...

Sheesh, Veph, do you keep forgetting my other nation? :-P

On that note, anything pressing that happens this weekend will be a slight issue, as I will be packing/moving, it also being the end of exams here. However, as I have no classes and no job for most of the time period Veph is incommunicado, I'll be around to step in as needed.

OFFICIAL PRESIDENTIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

Baptism of Fire 28 Hosts

Daehanjeiguk will host!


On behalf of His Imperial Majesty, we wish to thank those who confided their trust in the Empire, and we assure all that this upcoming Baptism of Fire will be among the most memorable in recent history (no one is going to die... unless the players want them to die...). We wish also to offer our condolences to Universitus University, who were honorable in presenting their bid. We wish them luck in the future for another attempt, and hope that they will consider other bids as well (like the WC and CoH...). Now if those 8 people would like to reveal themselves and receive their compensation fund...;)

On an administrative note (like it means anything that this stage), I will be updating the bid thread with more information as it comes along. Since it's not yet even the end of the World Cup/Cup of Harmony, I'll defer everything until then.

And just a heads up to the people who are doing the Oriental Football Cup... we (as in, me...) are going to try and work an advanced schedule. That means, the Cup is closed to new people at the last match of the World Cup. So, if you're really looking for another way to waste some time between Cups, come quickly!

anyone who has been following my RPs this tournament care to hazard a guess as to what the conclusion of the RP will be? What has happened to everyone? Is everyone dead? What has caused this "cloud" ? Are your players still alive? :p

All answers will be revealed in forty-eight hours or less!

anyone who has been following my RPs this tournament care to hazard a guess as to what the conclusion of the RP will be? What has happened to everyone? Is everyone dead? What has caused this "cloud" ? Are your players still alive? :p

All answers will be revealed in forty-eight hours or less!

They all are figments of someone's imagination????

You know, I really wish I wasn't allergic to losing lately.

On behalf of Universitus University, I would like to congratulate Daehanjeiguk for their successful bid to host the 28th Baptism of Fire. Though Universitus was unsuccessful in its first official attempt to host a tournament in this league, some members of the EWCC demonstrated faith in our abilities to host this tournament. To these anonymous supporters, I would like to express my gratitude.

Regarding the possibility of future bids, I would like to take this time to announce that Universitus does indeed plan to present new bids to host tournaments, and discussions amongst the administration concerning a Baptism of Fire 29 proposal are already underway.

I would like to thank the EWCC for giving Universitus' hosting bid a thorough consideration. While Universitus would have certainly provided an outstandingly efficient Baptism of Fire, I do accept the EWCC's decision to defer hosting responsibilities to Daehanjeiguk and am certain that they will do a fine job. I hope that the EWCC will provide Universitus with the same thorough review on all of its future bids and look forward to more favorable votes in the future.

Sincerely,

Dr. Rigorus Satact
President of Universitus University
In The Allied Empire of Jey

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Sel has consistently spoken out against any actions I've made in the World Cup ever since BoF25, which likely contributed to his official endorsement of your hosting bid. Many people have become annoyed with Sel because of his persistent antagonizing behavior towards me, because (1) the issue of BoF25 is dead and (2) it is completely unfounded. This is probably what Archregimancy's statement meant.
What's wrong with endorsing a favored bid?

There are more convincing and less provocative ways to present opinions
I believe that is what I did by endorsing you.

My comment didn't refer to Sel's attitude towards Jey specifically, nor should it be construed as an anti-Han remark.

I was merely noting that Sel's penchant for what we might politely term robustly stating his case irrespective of whether anyone agrees with him or not might not lead to him being most nations' preferred endorsement.

Sel's sort of become the Jeremiah Wright of the NSWC...
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I've never been that fond of them. I can see why they appeal - they can add a certain element of realism - but I've always been concerned that someone so inclined might be able to pick apart the statistical underpinning and rort the system, even if only to a small extent.

And whether justified or not (and for the higher-ranked teams it does appear to be justified), there appears to be a general feeling that the higher your modifier, the better you do.

I'm not going to turn into Sel or Az-cz and start an exasperating and counterproductive campaign for their abolition, but I will go on record as stating that I would give preference to voting for future WC hosting bids that don't use style modifiers so long as the bid is otherwise competent.

Though I suppose that would require us to have more than one hosting bid, which doesn't happen that often anymore.
Y'know, come to think of it, abolishment isn't a bad idea. They don't seem to serve much purpose. But whatever.

Oh no! We have ninety-nine year-old people who've never seen a Cubs World Series! *sobs*
Same with the Boston Red Sox until a few years ago...

snip
YAY, BOO, and EH.

snip
*considers reconciliation*

And finally, hooray for Quarterfinals and 6-3 over Milchama. Apologies for not RPing. I just have RPers block and have been busy with other things. >_<

Enough with those porn bugs, Star! Get me my scores!

This is the roster and i mean it we actually made a roster for this edition, the roster for the Ying Jing Mens club Pimps soccer team.
...
We were a bright blue and red jersey.

I'm not sure if it's legal to laugh at this, or with it; regardless, if they were a jersey, then what are they now?

Also, congratz @ C&M, because they managed to integrate three or so many plots from different stories - all of different humorous origins - into one post.

Well i was hoping to host the 6th World Cup of Hockey, but that went to pot... so


OXEN CUP VI

Shall return.

and here's the link.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13663830#post13663830

Thank you Star, finally Qazox can stop playing naked. :)

Amen to that. :eek:

I bet you all are right? :D

I am aware that the World Cup, World Cup qualifiers, Cup of Harmony and Baptism of Fire tournaments are all included for the past three years into your ranking I am wondering if any other tournaments are included in this or is that the complete list?

Just those three tournaments. At one point the U-21 did factor in in some way, but that was before my time.

I am aware that the World Cup, World Cup qualifiers, Cup of Harmony and Baptism of Fire tournaments are all included for the past three years into your ranking I am wondering if any other tournaments are included in this or is that the complete list?

You're probably wondering about the Oxen Cup... It's just for bragging rights and it's something to do if you still wanna RP between World Cups.

You're probably wondering about the Oxen Cup... It's just for bragging rights and it's something to do if you still wanna RP between World Cups.

Yes that was the info I was after behind my post. I probably will join maybe just to practice RP and whatnot.

Just those three tournaments. At one point the U-21 did factor in in some way, but that was before my time.

Cheers, I know there are rankings on the U21 tournament how many of the past are taken into consideration when calculating that?

Cheers, I know there are rankings on the U21 tournament how many of the past are taken into consideration when calculating that?

It is a different under 21 tournament that was used in the rankings. They were phased out of the KPBs before the Di Bradini Cup was started.

It is a different under 21 tournament that was used in the rankings. They were phased out of the KPBs before the Di Bradini Cup was started.

Yes I am aware of that but isn't there a ranking system for the Di Bradini Cup? I am wondering how many of the past cups does it take into account.

Yes I am aware of that but isn't there a ranking system for the Di Bradini Cup? I am wondering how many of the past cups does it take into account.

The Di Bradini Cup rankings and performance do not affect the KPBs (World Cup rankings) and never have. That's what I think you're asking, based on your response to ESF.

If you're asking about how many of the last few DBCs are taken into account when calculating DBC rankings, Starblaydia will be best placed to answer that.

Rejistania: Karelan.
World Cups won: 4 (12, 17, 18 & 23, so the NSwiki says)

First WC with style modifiers: 25.

Say no more.

Now what else was special about WC25....


Oh yes, I remember! *looks down at signature*

Goddamnit, Krytenia. You have to confuse me more!

Now we have Yafor, CH, ESF and you not playing by your original nation names.

Stop it!

WTF? More anarchist-extremist-terrorist rebels? Playing footy?

Looks like a job for the Hwarang! No more Krytenia for you!

the point: SO... WTF am I supposed to call this new realm of "West Starblaydia", since the Han officially recognize "Krytenia"?

Now we have Yafor, CH, ESF and you not playing by your original nation names.Not to mention The Holy Empire and KaMaRi, and honorable mentions to Cafundéu and Ad'ihan, who you at least can tell...

Now we have Yafor, CH, ESF and you not playing by your original nation names.

The thing is that me and CH actually have a valid reason...

;)

Not to mention The Holy Empire and KaMaRi, and honorable mentions to Cafundéu and Ad'ihan, who you at least can tell...

Ah, but at least 'Holy Empire' is part of the nation's official name; my touch is to take the nation's title as the name.


And what's with this Starblaydia - Krytenia marriage? IC'ly, where did you find an Orthodox priest willing to preside over a wedding ceremony with pagan elements - not to mention a druid in attendance?

You also missed one nice twist that I had at my own Orthodox wedding... Our brothers held crowns above our heads for the duration. Would have thought that touch would have suited Tiberius and Dominique.

And what's with this Starblaydia - Krytenia marriage? IC'ly, where did you find an Orthodox priest willing to preside over a wedding ceremony with pagan elements - not to mention a druid in attendance?

You also missed one nice twist that I had at my own Orthodox wedding... Our brothers held crowns above our heads for the duration. Would have thought that touch would have suited Tiberius and Dominique.

I figure a slightly-unorthodox-orthodox priest would come from either Starblaydia or West Starblaydia, who would at least be willing to make an input of some sort of sanity to the paganistic proceedings. Blessed by all the religions, and such.

Though I did also forget to mention any Dwarves...

WTF? More anarchist-extremist-terrorist rebels? Playing footy?

Looks like a job for the Hwarang! No more Krytenia for you!

the point: SO... WTF am I supposed to call this new realm of "West Starblaydia", since the Han officially recognize "Krytenia"?

Call it whatever the hell you like. :D

I figure a slightly-unorthodox-orthodox priest would come from either Starblaydia or West Starblaydia, who would at least be willing to make an input of some sort of sanity to the paganistic proceedings. Blessed by all the religions, and such.

Though I did also forget to mention any Dwarves...

ic'ly

Heresy! The Orthodox Church of the Holy Empire and the Holy Synod of the Archregimancy refuse to recognise the existence of any such priest, and therefore refuse to accept the canonicity of the marriage of the Lord Protector of Starblaydia.


ooc'ly
Must remember to say as much in the RP thread.

Call it whatever the hell you like. :D

On account of that, how's this for starters?

洗屁眼

Call it whatever the hell you like. :D
On account of that, how's this for starters?

洗屁眼

...
Well, I know you're doing it in Hanja, but in Chinese that's just...

"Xi pi yan". Literally word for word "Washing arse eyes". XD

Hope everyone has enjoyed "The Cloud" series of RPs. Look for it's subsequent RP "Tides of Darkness" to be posted sometime later this week if you're interested.

Now, here's to hoping I can finally reach that glory!!!

Hope everyone has enjoyed "The Cloud" series of RPs. Look for it's subsequent RP "Tides of Darkness" to be posted sometime later this week if you're interested.

Now, here's to hoping I can finally reach that glory!!!

Sorry.. you're talking about what now?... Oh the RP that makes me wanna drink coffee to finish it ;) (Not that having a extremely detailed RP is a bad thing, mind you :D)

GL in the semis then

Uh, Qaz... ME and ESF are already in the Finals

Sorry.. you're talking about what now?... Oh the RP that makes me wanna drink coffee to finish it ;) (Not that having a extremely detailed RP is a bad thing, mind you :D)

GL in the semis then

Uh, Qaz... ME and ESF are already in the Finals

Sounds like Qaz needs more coffee! Quick! More RPs that make Qaz wanna drink coffee to finish it!

Call it whatever the hell you like. :D
On account of that, how's this for starters?

洗屁眼
...
Well, I know you're doing it in Hanja, but in Chinese that's just...

"Xi pi yan". Literally word for word "Washing arse eyes". XD

Well, he did say whatever the hell I like. FYI, in Hanja, that's "Seon-pi-an" and it's supposed to translate more as "wiping butt crack".

FYI, it's also a joke, if you haven't read some recent developments in the DBC.

OFFICIAL HOST ANNOUNCEMENT

Starblaydia apologises for his absence tonight; if his new computer arrives tomorrow, he will scorinate then.

If he's not turned up by 2330 BST (2230 UTC, 1830 Eastern) I'll be scorinating.

Thank you.

Well, he did say whatever the hell I like. FYI, in Hanja, that's "Seon-pi-an" and it's supposed to translate more as "wiping butt crack".

FYI, it's also a joke, if you haven't read some recent developments in the DBC.
I think "licking" would work better than "wiping" in all senses of the translation :)

Goddamnit, Krytenia. You have to confuse me more!

Now we have Yafor, CH, ESF and you not playing by your original nation names.

Stop it!

At least I have a forum account for this one :D

OFFICIAL HOST ANNOUNCEMENT

Starblaydia apologises for his absence tonight; if his new computer arrives tomorrow, he will scorinate then.

If he's not turned up by 2330 BST (2230 UTC, 1830 Eastern) I'll be scorinating.

Thank you.

OFC sign-ups also end at that very same moment!

I won't delay it, even if I only have 5 teams (which might do better for me in anticipation of the work to be had for the BoF).

Sorry.. you're talking about what now?... Oh the RP that makes me wanna drink coffee to finish it ;) (Not that having a extremely detailed RP is a bad thing, mind you :D)

GL in the semis then

Uh, Qaz... ME and ESF are already in the Finals

Sounds like Qaz needs more coffee! Quick! More RPs that make Qaz wanna drink coffee to finish it!

SEE, my point exactly...lol GL in finals then ESF and BAZ.

Casari, is there anyway you could email me the Formula 1 excel spreadsheet? I want to see how it works and use it to make a spreadsheet for an upcoming main battle tank [50-70 tonne] racing tournament.

This week must be "GOD BLESS BOSTOPIA" day...


[1] Casari elects a Bostopian Prime Minister;

[2] The Golden Throne appears to be satiating Bostopia's long standing lust for tanks in all forms;

[3] Sorthern Northland just died.

Hmmm, time to call out the cricket brigades... or some fanatic MBC drama depicting football.

Casari, is there anyway you could email me the Formula 1 excel spreadsheet? I want to see how it works and use it to make a spreadsheet for an upcoming main battle tank [50-70 tonne] racing tournament.

LOL, me thinks Bostopia will enter that tourny.

Yea, I think I'm the right person to host it, too - given my:

O (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478771) [Nakíl 1A1]
B (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530739) [Nakíl 1A1GU/U]
S (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10812858&postcount=7) [Nakíl 1A2]
E (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=551497) [Nakíl 1A3/1A3HA]
S (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11615329&postcount=156) [Broadsword-Tizona]
S (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1718) [Lince]
I (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3117) [Project Tiglath Pileser]
O (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-26) [Wikipedia article on the T-26, which I wrote and achieved featured status]
N (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%27onma-ho) [Another Wikipedia article, this time on the relatively unknown North Korean Ch'onma-ho]

Congrats ESF, WC Winner....

I'm still amazed that I got to the finals

Wtg Esf...

Congratulations, Valanora!

And Good luck, fellow Class of World Cup 40 nation, Rennidan in the Cup of Harmony final!

I guess I can deal with losing to the runner-up ;-) Nicely done, Baz!

Thanks for the congratulations everyone, I appreciate it :)

I'll tell you why you won the World Cup ... You lost the OFC!

*** SKS lost final match of OFC 3 and won WC39 (as UCS) ***
*** ESF lost final match of OFC 4 and won WC 40 ***

The proof is there!

I guess I can deal with losing to the runner-up ;-) Nicely done, Baz!

What?! Someone congratulating someone for loosing?

Thanks DAN.

What?! Someone congratulating someone for losing?

Thanks DAN.

For what it's worth... it's one loser congratulating the other bigger loser. Meanwhile, all of the other losers stay quiet. Anyway, it's a once in a lifetime (where a lifetime is half of year) chance and your Bazalopes failed you in your time of greatest need! What have you to say about this?

For what it's worth... it's one loser congratulating the other bigger loser. Meanwhile, all of the other losers stay quiet. Anyway, it's a once in a lifetime (where a lifetime is half of year) chance and your Bazalopes failed you in your time of greatest need! What have you to say about this?

Cause we should of lost a long time ago?

Cause we should of lost a long time ago?

ok...dismissed! *follows lemmings off the cliff*

OFFICIAL HOST ANNOUNCEMENT

Starblaydia apologises for his absence tonight; if his new computer arrives tomorrow, he will scorinate then.

If he's not turned up by 2330 BST (2230 UTC, 1830 Eastern) I'll be scorinating.

Thank you.

Wait what, isn't West Starlaydia and Starblydia the same person, or were you staying IC.

I know the IC reason why Krytenia chnaged to West Starblydia, but I thought it was the same person RPing.

Yes I can be a drongo at times.

Wait what, isn't West Starlaydia and Starblydia the same person, or were you staying IC.

Nope, Kry has actually been subjugated and is now Orville to my Keith Harris.

Well, to be outside the top 20 and make the final is pretty darn impressive in my book, even if he did lose. Hence Baz gets props.

And Han's "lose OFC N, win WC N+1" theory seems to support a one-Cup Margaret latency ^_^

Nope, Kry has actually been subjugated and is now Orville to my Keith Harris.

Ah so Kry wasn't your puppet but now it is. If I remember correctly, Orville was a duck wasn't he?

This week must be "GOD BLESS BOSTOPIA" day...


[1] Casari elects a Bostopian Prime Minister;

[2] The Golden Throne appears to be satiating Bostopia's long standing lust for tanks in all forms;

[3] Sorthern Northland just died.

Hmmm, time to call out the cricket brigades... or some fanatic MBC drama depicting football.

A) This week must be God Bless Bostopia day - Han, I love your lack of sense :p

1) The Emperor's Own Regiment are moving into Casari as we speak.

2) The Golden Throne? Do explain.

3) Huzzah, though he's back. Un-huzzah.

4) Yes Jeru, The Macs did make me aware of the tank thingy today on IRC, and I WILL be joining. Success!

Ah so Kry wasn't your puppet but now it is. If I remember correctly, Orville was a duck wasn't he?

He was, and he wished he could fly.

Had I got hold of him, he would have done.

A) This week must be God Bless Bostopia day - Han, I love your lack of sense :p

1) The Emperor's Own Regiment are moving into Casari as we speak.

2) The Golden Throne? Do explain.

3) Huzzah, though he's back. Un-huzzah.

4) Yes Jeru, The Macs did make me aware of the tank thingy today on IRC, and I WILL be joining. Success!

(A) Three guess as to whether that was intentional or not! And trust me, you'll need them!

(1) Good.

(2) The Golden Throne = Macabees

(3) The world is sooo moody.

(4) WTF? I'm not Jeru, and I didn't ask you about the tank thingy! Besides, that was what (2) was (4). NO success! Now go back to your tank and start preparing for the race! (at least you finally have a situation where a tank-related RP is necessary and perhaps unavoidable, but no nukes please).

Hey Dae, who are Hwang and Wang based on? LOL

Hey Dae, who are Hwang and Wang based on? LOL

Friends, if you have to know... Although to give them credit, they're not that weird or perverted.

Rennidan vs Acapais (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13680535&postcount=185), my last CoH32 post for anyone that cares.

Friends, if you have to know... Although to give them credit, they're not that weird or perverted.

Originally, I thought they were based on the show 'Yellow Humor' [or Humor Amarillo, here in Spain].

Hey get this:
WC Champ: ESF (San Antonio, Texas)
CoH Champ: Acapais (Dallas, Texas)

The Lone Star State Represents!

There's only three good things from Texas:

STEAK, SALSA, and CHILI.

other than the San Antonio Spurs all the sports teams all suck (ie: Texas Rangers) or are the most hated (The dallas cowshits) in the world. I'm a Red Sox fan, and would rather root for the freaking Yankees than the cowshits.

(ooc: somewhow Acapais, i posted this 56 minutes before you did....DAMMIT PRUX, stop messing around with time again!)

Hey get this:
WC Champ: ESF (San Antonio, Texas)
CoH Champ: Acapais (Dallas, Texas)

The Lone Star State Represents!

Co-Host 1: Krytenia (England, UK)
Co-Host 2: Starblaydia (England, UK)

The Lone Star State Represents - Because Britain Says So!!

EDIT: In Advance!!!

Hey get this:
WC Champ: ESF (San Antonio, Texas)
CoH Champ: Acapais (Dallas, Texas)

The Lone Star State Represents!

other than the San Antonio Spurs all the sports teams all suck (ie: Texas Rangers) or are the most hated (The dallas cowshits) in the world. !)

The Dallas Stars are in the Western Conference Finals.
Although my state, has both Eastern Conference Final teams. Go Flyers!

Go Stars!

despite our loss last night, i take some hope that in the 5v5 situations, it was 1-1. And two of those powerplay calls were quite cheap, epsicially that call that made it 5v3.

[3] Sorthern Northland just died.
*SN runs runs up behind Bos and shouts BOO!"

If nothing else surely I'm good for Bostopian propaganda to us as an example of an evil corrupt nation.

Although my state, has both Eastern Conference Final teams. Go Flyers!

Awwww, that's so cute ^_^ My Penguins are better.

(Oh noes, I'm about to suffer the wrath of the World Bowl scorinator.)

For all those involved, The Roster/RP/Scores thread for the 6th Oxen Cup is up and linked to here------>http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13683687#post13683687

Awwww, that's so cute ^_^ My Penguins are better.

(Oh noes, I'm about to suffer the wrath of the World Bowl scorinator.)

Hmmmm...
Actually I don't really have anything against the Penguins other then right now. Crosby's fun to watch... except right now. It's about 60-30 Flyers fans here. (the other 10 strange NJ Devil people)

So, your safe.

Originally, I thought they were based on the show 'Yellow Humor' [or Humor Amarillo, here in Spain].

Nope, just friends (names are not Hwang and Wang, though).

*SN runs runs up behind Bos and shouts BOO!"

If nothing else surely I'm good for Bostopian propaganda to us as an example of an evil corrupt nation.

Evil corrupt nations, particularly those professedly Marxist and otherwise "liberal", all will die. And then about 72 hours later, they spontaneously rise from the dead and yell "boo" behind your backs.

And this is a good example... HOW?

this pennslyvania kid votes flyersssssssss all the way

'Tis the season for unusual anachronisms (and missleepings)...

We may have long since given up on the idea that the WC discussion thread should be largely about discussing serious WC-related issues - like the recent conversation on style bonuses - rather than a flood of tangential blathering, but could we at least try and make sure that the tangential blathering is vaguely relevant (ie, somehow involves WCC-sanctioned tournaments, participating nations, or IC or RL football/soccer)?

I'm no more interested in seeing discussions of North American Ice Hockey here than I was in seeing discussions of baseball here. If you must discuss North American sport, could we please at least try and discuss topics like the MLS season, the forthcoming USA - England friendly, the success of the USA's women's team, or why Canada struggles so at soccer (the 1986 RL WC notwithstanding). I'd rather see this thread oriented towards NS events and nations, but these are at least about a relevant sport.

Of the last ten posts, only SN and - surely something of a first - Qazox have posted anything even vaguely relevant.

I know I'm probably coming across as a grumpy old bastard, but I don't want to have to wade through pages of dross on this thread in the odd chance I've missed something significant.

We may have long since given up on the idea that the WC discussion thread should be largely about discussing serious WC-related issues - like the recent conversation on style bonuses - rather than a flood of tangential blathering, but could we at least try and make sure that the tangential blathering is vaguely relevant (ie, somehow involves WCC-sanctioned tournaments, participating nations, or IC or RL football/soccer)?

I'm no more interested in seeing discussions of North American Ice Hockey here than I was in seeing discussions of baseball here. If you must discuss North American sport, could we please at least try and discuss topics like the MLS season, the forthcoming USA - England friendly, the success of the USA's women's team, or why Canada struggles so at soccer (the 1986 RL WC notwithstanding). I'd rather see this thread oriented towards NS events and nations, but these are at least about a relevant sport.

Of the last ten posts, only SN and - surely something of a first - Qazox have posted anything even vaguely relevant.

I know I'm probably coming across as a grumpy old bastard, but I don't want to have to wade through pages of dross on this thread in the odd chance I've missed something significant.

2-2 @ Wembley. A victory for America, and a loss for England (at least that's how the media'll cover it). Also, PLAY UP POMPY!

I heard that they chopped up all of the players on the Prazkoy team and made pizza out of their chopped up remains (incidentally called "Patji Pitja" from around here :D).

And the day that America beats England again will be not so impressive as the day England beat America again (mostly because people expect England to win...) and yes that's worded correctly!


Also, how much longer are the signups to the BoF going to remain open? Seeing as we've got all of the other WC-related tournaments done and over, and the only restraint to getting started is me, I'd like to know (mostly so I can anticipate what's going to happen over the next couple of weeks). Seeing as there are 17 entrants this time around, I'd really love it if we had at least 3 more members to make it a relatively even 20 teams, although 18 would be fine if I can't get more. To make things absolutely perfect, 24 would be the best (although 32 would be even nicer, but let's not be too greedy now...). Basically, in order of preference:

1- 32
2 - 24
3 - 20
4 - 18

If the signups show something else completely, then.... I guess I'll make a new list. But let me know when signups end so I can prepare the final lists.

Dae, whenever you close them, with however many people have signed up.

... and - surely something of a first - Qazox have posted anything even vaguely relevant.
...


Hey, almost 20% of what I post in here is relevant to the WC or related tourneys. :rolleyes:

At Wembley?? England 2-1 over USA, and it will be a whistle-fest.

The US Women's team has a major chip after the Hope Solo crap that happened at the last World Cup. They'll win silver, losing only to Germany in the Gold Medal Match.

And how about the Crew off to a 6-0-1 start and the 2-time champs Houston Dyanamo finally getting thier first Win of the season?

And Canada only cares aboot hockey, that's why they haven't done anything in 22 years in football. And the only reason why they got in in 1986 was Mexico was hosting it, so they were automatically in and the US still hadn't begun to try to be semi-decent at it.

There ya go, Arch.

Just for Info... MD1 scores (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13687476&postcount=19) for the Oxen Cup are up.

However, even Jey's previous involvement in this tournament was represented by Universitus, but was without the username Universitus. The school represents Jey in all tournaments, and thus its earned points should be appropraited to "Jey" and added onto Jey's existing KPB point value. Jey and Universitus will never participate in the same tournament together, so there will not be two Jevian squads earning one nation's KPB points.

I think the jist of this is that Jey wants Universitus' KPB points added to their own KPB points. Because they're a puppet. And they're not going to play together in the same tournaments? Someone please tell me this is just something no official has noticed and it won't be allowed.

And if that is allowed, I'm pulling Casari out of the WC and subsequently demanding Casari's KPB points be added to mine :p (yes, Cas is my puppet now :))

I think what he wants is to transfer Jey's KPB points to UU.

ICly it was UU originally that played in the BoF, University Universitus = Jey in terms of the WC

I think the jist of this is that Jey wants Universitus' KPB points added to their own KPB points. Because they're a puppet. And they're not going to play together in the same tournaments? Someone please tell me this is just something no official has noticed and it won't be allowed.

And if that is allowed, I'm pulling Casari out of the WC and subsequently demanding Casari's KPB points be added to mine :p (yes, Cas is my puppet now :))

I think what he wants is to transfer Jey's KPB points to UU.

ICly it was UU originally that played in the BoF, University Universitus = Jey in terms of the WC

That's very true. The Jevian squad was from the Tildes Skills School of the University, so that's what they technically were in the BoF for WC38.

So the 'Jey national football team' and 'Universitus University' are the same thing, in practice.

Seems to me like it's no different to the Valanora/ESF, KaMaRi/Rejistania, etc. situations

Not to mention that with the chaos and slippery slope that has resulted, virtually anything's good now with nations :p Hell, even the user lines are becoming blurred with Starblaydia controlling Krytenia, Bostopia controlling Casari (a move I'm not shocked if it's permanent - 'grats to Cas on graduation, if he still reads this, btw), etc. In any case, UU is Jey, just with a different user name, so there's no need to object to this one.

In other news, Legalese shall now be known as " ".

As an aside, can I point out that Jey doesn't appear to actually have any KPB points, as of the post-WC40 Qualifying rankings...

As an aside, can I point out that Jey doesn't appear to actually have any KPB points, as of the post-WC40 Qualifying rankings...

Jey's KPBs would be made up of:

BoF38 pts, WC38 pts, WC39 pts & WC40 pts. However they only played in the BoF itself, withdrew for the '38 Qualifiers and (iirc) just missed the sign-up cut-off for WC39 or 40.

After the BoF for WC41, the '38 BoF's points will no longer count, therefore Jey's national football team are back to 0.

So what is everybody arguing about...?

That's very true...

So what is everybody arguing about...?

Nothing, evidently :D

I should be #18 in the Baptism of Fire...

...although for some reason I doubt my chances.

Ok, if there are 0 points to add to, that's fair enough. It was the inclusion of Jey saying he wanted UU's points added to Jey's current points (which I assumed at being more than 0 - and I was in work when originally posted, so couldn't be doing with gallavanting around for the KPBs) that got me a bit "I WANT CAS' POINTS TOO THEN!!!!!!1"

Point resolved :)

Yeah, Penguins, way to be...

Oh, wait. Relevence.

Yeah, Fulham, way to not be relegated!

And while I'm at it, Drew Carey part-owner of the Sounders? Hmm. I suppose they could land Henry if the price is right. </obvious joke>

Yeah, Penguins, way to be...

Oh, wait. Relevence.

Yeah, Fulham, way to not be relegated!

And while I'm at it, Drew Carey part-owner of the Sounders? Hmm. I suppose they could land Henry if the price is right. </obvious joke>

< Dissapointed Reading fan.

< Dissapointed Reading fan.

What is it with Reading fans on here of late? Both men and the dog are already here, or have the stewards found ns.net?

What is it with Reading fans on here of late? Both men and the dog are already here, or have the stewards found ns.net?

I am actually Bobby Convey in disguise.

< Disappointed Reading fan.

Er, yes, erm, sorry about that. I actually wanted Fulham to go down, and never thought for a minute that we'd (yes, we - I tell Harry and Tony who to pick every weekend) concede a sloppy goal in the last 15 minutes to let the Egyptians lot stay up.

Still, we surely can't lose to Cardiff this coming weekend, can we?


On a more NS WC relevant point, the Jey - UU question could conceivably become relevant if we had a BoF host who wanted to revert to the old system (which they have the right to do) and exclude teams that had previously had a KPB ranking, but no longer do so. That's an admittedly unlikely technicality, but you never know.

Still, we surely can't lose to Cardiff this coming weekend, can we?
I really hope they do now. Yes I'm a bastard, what you gonna do?

And nope I'm afraid I don't really have any relevant to say that's NS related at this point in time. Sorry about that.

Everyone should just be happy that Atlético de Madrid made it to Champions.

*Spaniard crawls back into his hole*

Just a question on World Cup 41 when will the qualifying round take place does any one have some idea of what month and if it will be the first half and second half?

Also I am disappointed to see Derby to be relegated as they just came up and would be nice to see a new team in the premier league last more than one season just to shake things up a bit, at least Liverpool made a Champions league spot, but I am unhappy that my team Scunthorpe after looking so promising at the start of the season will be sent back down to Div 1.

And if that is allowed, I'm pulling Casari out of the WC and subsequently demanding Casari's KPB points be added to mine :p (yes, Cas is my puppet now :))


WHAT... WHEN... HUH????

(i sincerely hope you were being very spurious there, Bos.)

And Macabees, to bad La Liga is now #2 on the UEFA League co-effecient now. (Dammit i was rooting for Luxembourg to be the new #1....lol)

Just a question on World Cup 41 when will the qualifying round take place does any one have some idea of what month and if it will be the first half and second half?

Er... there are no bids to host the 41st World Cup as of yet. So the current date is never.

Come on, people, BID!

Er... there are no bids to host the 41st World Cup as of yet. So the current date is never.

Come on, people, BID!

But hasn't there been a sign up thread for it, or did I only think I did?

But hasn't there been a sign up thread for it, or did I only think I did?

YEs...


Qazox repectfully declines to host World Cup XLI... in hopes to win the rights to host World Cup DCLXVI.

*Anxiously awaits WC XLI*

It's about time I get involved in this

Er... there are no bids to host the 41st World Cup as of yet. So the current date is never.

Come on, people, BID!

The principle question is whether or not the scorinator will crash my 800MHz Pentium II, running Windows XP? I mean, the futsal excel spreadsheet comes close to making it start a death lag.

And Macabees, to bad La Liga is now #2 on the UEFA League co-effecient now. (Dammit i was rooting for Luxembourg to be the new #1....lol)

Meh, call me when you hold for another 7 years. :p

But hasn't there been a sign up thread for it, or did I only think I did?

You mean this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=554057) Sign-up thread for WC41 in which you were #49 to sign up? :)

Ad’ihan announces its intention to bid for World Cup 41, pending finding a suitable co-host, preferably with prior hosting experience (BoF/CoH/other major tournaments regardless of sport involved) and at least two World Cups' experience. Interested parties may telegram me.

Since I lost all my points in the rankings, does that mean I can do the BoF again, or is that only for nations that haven't done it before?

Depends on what the host thinks. Personally I'd say you get one shot at the BoF with any nation, and one only.

Universitus would be willing to bid to host only with co-hosting assistance from a more experienced nation. With the BoF, perhaps individual hosting was possible, but the World Cup is admittedly beyond capabilities right now. If any experienced nation is considering co-hosting with Universitus, please TG either Jey or Universitus University.

If, and only if, no hosts come forward, I will be willing to scorinate WC41.

I will be willing to do this solo.

And yes, I am aware that this offer breaks pretty much every hosting rule in the WCC, but this is truly a "last resort, we're feckin desperate here" offer.

did i miss the link to the updated KBP rankings...
or have they not been posted yet?

Hmmm... summer's too busy to do WC41?

I guess if necessary, we'd be willing to do WC41. I'd much rather wait until WC60 (really good things happen on the number 60). If anyone wants to help out with WC41, send me a TG.

And for a heads up, I'm not doing CoH 33. Regardless of the need. And for a heads up, OFC5 was delayed due to family issues, as was the start to Season 6. I'll have the stuff posted sometime later (once I get on the right computer...).



And FYI, my apologies to Mac: The BoF is only open to countries that have not previously entered the BoF and have a KPB points of 0. Since the Macabees have already participated in a BoF competition, we would not admit their team to this edition of the tournament. The same is true for any other past participant, since the BoF's primary focus is to offer new teams an opportunity to get KPB points, to learn how to RP, and to experience the style of play in the World Cup (at least, in my opinion).

I'd be willing to host the event, but given that this is my first time for even the Baptism of Fire, it would be somewhat impractical. I certainly could do it, mind you, but I'm sure there are other more-deserving potential hosts. I'm not exactly sure how these things work either, but I'd also be willing to host/scorinate the upcoming Baptism of Fire.

Daehanjeiguk is already the host of the BoF, SB.

I think they problem with the hosting issue is that those that would desire to host the tournament either can't find a partner and/or they are still not able to host due to our rules. I know I would love to host again, but I have to wait until after the forthcoming World Cup to do so under the current rules.

With that said, and the lack of multiple bids per tournament over the last several editions, I propose that the required time between hosting a World Cup be reduced to two tournaments. At the very least, let's put it up for a vote.

I think they problem with the hosting issue is that those that would desire to host the tournament either can't find a partner and/or they are still not able to host due to our rules.

What are the rules as far as this is concerned?

Three tournaments between hosting events.

What are the rules as far as this is concerned?

Basically... They host, then they are not allowed to host for another 2 cups after that. On the Third Cup they can host again, if they so wish.

Alright, this is a little earlier then I intended on throwing my name in the hat here, but:

Newmanistan announces its intention to bid to host Cup of Harmony 33. If you are interested in co-hosting this bid, please TG me.

Daehanjeiguk is already the host of the BoF, SB.

I wonder if he'd/she'd be willing to accept a co-host.

I wonder if he'd/she'd be willing to accept a co-host.

HE'd be willing to accept a cohost if it were up for a vote. Considering as the vote was already taken, it'd be transgressing convention to modify the bid post-election. That said, I'm not certain if BoF contestants are also allowed to host the event themselves (although Miceland might have been the exception to the rule, if I'm mistaken).

As for the proposed rule change, if I had a vote, I'd support it. Too few people around in summer time, I guess.

HE'd be willing to accept a cohost if it were up for a vote. Considering as the vote was already taken, it'd be transgressing convention to modify the bid post-election. That said, I'm not certain if BoF contestants are also allowed to host the event themselves (although Miceland might have been the exception to the rule, if I'm mistaken).

As for the proposed rule change, if I had a vote, I'd support it. Too few people around in summer time, I guess.

That's fine by me. I telegrammed you by the way before you posted this message.

I'm not aware of all the rules of what I can and can't do yet as a RP soccer newb. I'm just trying to get as involved as I can.

That's always encouraging :D nothing against entrepreneurial spirit!

HE'd be willing to accept a cohost if it were up for a vote. Considering as the vote was already taken, it'd be transgressing convention to modify the bid post-election. That said, I'm not certain if BoF contestants are also allowed to host the event themselves (although Miceland might have been the exception to the rule, if I'm mistaken).

As for the proposed rule change, if I had a vote, I'd support it. Too few people around in summer time, I guess.

Miceland wasn't a contestant to the BoF, it could have been if it hadn't already had it's BoF, but yeah there is no rule per se about BoFites hosting their own tournament. It's just extrememly unlikely to happen, both from a BoF team wanting to (Which as far as I know your the first) and general structure of the BoF Voting system. And even if it did get to vote. I'm sure any such bid would be voted down.

Miceland wasn't a contestant to the BoF, it could have been if it hadn't already had it's BoF, but yeah there is no rule per se about BoFites hosting their own tournament. It's just extrememly unlikely to happen, both from a BoF team wanting to (Which as far as I know your the first) and general structure of the BoF Voting system. And even if it did get to vote. I'm sure any such bid would be voted down.

So I'm not mistaken!!! Whoohoo!

But then again, it's not me that's the new kid on the block.

And then again, it's been 5 seasons (roughly) since I participated in the BoF.

Yet then again, I keep having these parenthetical comments that just have to be blurted out in an extremely awkward manner.

Since then again, I'll just shut up now. *zips close*

*unzips* Forsooth then again, that sounds sooo cool, don't it?

Someone, please tell me that you read my latest RP in the DBC, and tell me that you did not laugh at the turbulence part.

Someone, please tell me that you read my latest RP in the DBC, and tell me that you did not laugh at the turbulence part.

I read it and well, couldn't work out the joke ...

So, technically I'm not the acting Pres (despite Veph's intentions and considering Cas's complete disappearance), but unless anyone objects (the EWCC, specifically, which is empowered to appoint an acting Pres until Veph returns), I'll quickly assume the mantle, to formalize ESF's proposal:

Shall the WCC modify the III.3 of the WCC Rules, so that they read as follows (change made in italics):

"§3. A player behind a nation that has hosted the last World Cup may not submit a bid to host or co-host the next World Cup." ?

Votes shall be sent by IRC, TG, or other reasonable method to Bazalonia by 1:00 AM EDT, Wednesday May 21. All those who voted in the CoH vote are hereby eligible. If enacted, this proposal shall take effect immediately.

Furthermore, to solidify the WCC quandry regarding who replaces Veph when he's unavailable: I will be less and less available as of this coming weekend, meaning that we'll be short an assumed replacement for that moment. With that in mind, and also keeping in mind that the EWCC has the power to appoint a replacement should the President and Vice President be unavailable, I offer the following proposal:

"Whereas the WCC is currently without an elected Vice President, the previous holder of the office becoming unavailable,

Noting that the current situation with the President's unavailability has left the WCC without someone to enact voting duties,

Whereas the EWCC is appointed to elect a replacement for these moments,

Let it be RESOLVED that Bazalonia be appointed immediately by the EWCC to act as WCC President, in the case of Vephrall's inability to perform his duties as WCC President.

Let it further be RESOLVED that this appoint shall not last past the end of this current WCC Presidential term."

EWCC members shall cast their votes to me (Legalese) within the next 48 hours on this proposal.

Oh, and as a matter of record, this proposal shall still render West Starblaydia, as a puppet of Starblayida/main-ish nation of Krytenia, under whatever unholy creation has resulted there :p, ineligible to host (or scorinate, for that matter) WC 41, unless the WCC wishes to completely eliminate III.3 from the rules, as consecutive hosting would be prohibited under the rules.

I second that motion, the non-consecutive WC Hostings part, as for the WCC Persident, it's only a figurehead position, a'int it?

I second that motion, the non-consecutive WC Hostings part, as for the WCC Persident, it's only a figurehead position, a'int it?

The WCC Pres' main task is to get votes underway at the appropriate time and make sure sign-ups and other such stuff are updated properly.

We wish to make an amendment to the proposal. (Amendment in blue)

§3. A player behind a nation that has hosted the last World Cup may not submit a bid to host or co-host the next World Cup.
§3a. If no valid World Cup bid has been submitted by the end of that cycle's Baptism of Fire tournament, any rules reatricting eligibility may be waived by a vote of the EWCC.

I'm still open to anyone who wishes to make a bid cohost the WC with me.

For clarification purposes Kry/West Starblaydia's proposal is not currently up for vote.

All that is up for vote is whether or not to Shorten the delay between cups for hosting purposes by 1 cup.

Please send Yay, or Nay to me via any appropriate method. (Primarily in a non-public way)

There will be at least one bid for the next cup, I'm certain of this...

I agree with Caf... now, if only he'd log on IRC :p

I read it and well, couldn't work out the joke ...

It wasn't a joke. It was stupid, and I was laughing at it for a long time afterwards. Thank you for lifting the curse! Also, I hope that you don't mind the pictures.

As to Adihan's general invitation for a cohost bid, if he'd be willing to have a bid with me, we could work together.

For clarification purposes Kry/West Starblaydia's proposal is not currently up for vote.

All that is up for vote is whether or not to Shorten the delay between cups for hosting purposes by 1 cup.

Please send Yay, or Nay to me via any appropriate method. (Primarily in a non-public way)

I suppose a surprise visit to your private bathroom stall would suffice? If I were among those that could vote?

All those who voted in the CoH vote are hereby eligible.That's the EWCC, right? I think the proposal language threw me off.

Everyone in the WCC can vote for or against the proposal whose votes are being collected by me.

Only EWCC members can vote for the vote being collected by Legal

Dae - You should be eligible to vote for or against.

If you have hosted a World Cup or have a team that has posted rosters for the last 2 WC's you are eligible to vote for the proposal to shorten the period in which WC hosts are ineligible.

That's the EWCC, right? I think the proposal language threw me off.

Baz put it more accurately, excuse me for the confusion. The ESF proposal to change the time between hosting cups rule may be voted on by the following:

World Cup Committee Members - May vote on Proposal AS413
(note: puppets are not listed)

1. Acapais
2. Ad'ihan
3. Ariddia (as EWCC member)
4. Az-cz
5. Bazalonia
6. Bettia
7. Blouman Empire
8. Bostopia
9. Cafundéu
10. Candelaria And Marquez
11. Capitalizt SLANI
13. Daehanjeiguk
14. Dancougar
15. Fujisawan Territories
16. Geisenfried (as EWCC member)
17. Green wombat
18. Hopeless SC
19. Jeruselem
20. Kelssek
21. Krytenia
22. Kura-Pelland
23. Lethislavania (as EWCC member)
24. Magnus Valerius
25. Milchama
26. Legalese (as EWCC member)
27. Prux
28. Qazox
29. Quakmybush
30. Rejistania
31. Sel Appa
32. Septentrionia (as EWCC member)
33. Sorthern Northland
34. Squornshelous
35. Starblaydia
36. Taeshan
37. The Archregimancy
38. The Islands of Qutar (as EWCC member)
39. The Pazhujeb Islands
40. Tynelia
41. Valanora
42. Vephrall
43. Yafor 2
44. Zwangzug

Otherwise, my proposal to appoint Baz as the interim WCC Pres until Vephrall returns (as well as being the designated interim for future absences during this term) shall be voted on by the EWCC, meaning all former hosts who still exist:

1. Ad’ihan
2. Ariddia
3. Az-cz
4. Bazalonia
5. Cafundéu
6. Capitalizt SLANI/Jasīʼyūn
8. Geisenfried
9. Krytenia
10. Kura-Pelland
11. Lethislavania
12. Milchama
13. Legalese
14. Quakmybush
15. Rejistania
16. Septentrionia (hosted as Oliverry)
17. Starblaydia
18. The Archregimancy
19. The Islands of Qutar
20. Valanora
21. Vephrall

Note that these lists have had Casari deleted, as it is now a puppet of Bostopia. However, since Bostopia never hosted a WC as a user, he shall not be a member of the EWCC until that situation changes.

Again, votes for the former are due by next week to Baz; votes for the latter are due to me in about 13 hours from now (i.e. 1 AM EDT on Friday)

N.B. I did not renumber the list for Casari's deletion, hence the missing numbers.

Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

We need an acting WCC president, but I'm not in favour of a method by which one member of the EWCC appears to have simply nominated another without any consultation; unless that consultation occurred in IRC, which I don't participate in.

Whatever. I would have opened nominations to the floor for 24 to 48 hours.

That's nothing personal against Baz, who has after all been WCC president previously; I just think it's a precedent that's open to abuse.


As to the ESF proposal.... well, it sort of looks like we're going to have to approve it out of necessity, aren't we?


I'd love to have either of my nations host again, but I simply lack the time. Since moving back to the UK, my schedule's become much more crowded and far less friendly towards the amount of time necessary for hosting.

Well, I do have some good news for you guys.

Barring any real-life organizational issues, I should (plenty of emphasis on that word) be back permanently sometime tomorrow, with no more extended absences scheduled until August.

I agree that we do need an official acting president for times such as these, and I also agree with Arch's suggestion of a proper nomination process for that position. So if you guys can just hang tight for another day or two, I'll try to get something worked out there.

- Veph, from a hotel somewhere in southwest Virginia

and oh sorry for the above thread everybody

For those not noticing, we now have a bid:
Cafundéu-Septentrionie (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=556725)

A formal proposal regarding acting presidencies:

1) In the event of the unavailability, whether temporary or permanent, of both the WCC president and the WCC vice-president, the EWCC may elect an acting WCC president from among its own membership to serve in that capacity until either the president or vice-president return (by announcing their return in the WC discussion thread), or the term of office of the latter two offices reaches its end, whichever comes first.

2) Any member of the EWCC may call for a vote and nominate another member of the EWCC as acting president; self-nominations are not permitted. The 'floor' shall remain open for further nominations for 24 hours after the initial call for a vote. Voting shall close 48 hours after floor nominations close. Votes may be tabulated by any EWCC member not standing for election, as nominated by the person first calling the vote.

3) A simple plurality of the vote is enough to win the election. In the event of a tie, the votes of the participating nation that hosted the earliest world cup shall be counted twice.*



*which, yes, will mean me, so long as I remain active, unless Ari returns to WC activity. You'll hopefully humour this slight nod to seniority to cover a scenario that is surely wildly unlikely.

and oh sorry for the above thread everybody

Taeshan, you do know you can delete unwanted or embarrassing posts, don't you?

Look for the edit/delete button at the bottom of your own posts, and follow instructions!

Don't worry - we've all had cause to regret one or two posts from time to time; it happens to everyone.

A formal proposal regarding acting presidencies:

1) In the event of the unavailability, whether temporary or permanent, of both the WCC president and the WCC vice-president, the EWCC may elect an acting WCC president from among its own membership to serve in that capacity until either the president or vice-president return (by announcing their return in the WC discussion thread), or the term of office of the latter two offices reaches its end, whichever comes first.

Emphasis mine.

Why simply from within the EWCC? Why not the WCC as a whole?

Emphasis mine.

Why simply from within the EWCC? Why not the WCC as a whole?

There is no rule currently preventing that, iirc. In fact, Snub Nose 38 never has been on the EWCC and yet was a fairly popular WCC president.

That being my point, LE. Arch's proposal does include such a rule, in the case that his proposal is made for, and that's what I was wondering about/disagreeing with.

To be fair, in the modern era (since Proposal 1093 and onwards were introduced) we have never had a president that isn't also on the EWCC. Furthermore, as we're talking about an emergency stand in, it might be better to have someone of more authority. Just throwing out possibilities...

With Veph returns, I'm going to assume that the proposal regarding Baz is hereby rendered moot. My actions, while taken in the best interests, were admittedly not the most proper; my only defense is that they were done* in this way for convenience sake, considering that I will be even less available as of this weekend, and could not remember if Vephrall's return was this week, or next. Simply put, as I had been assumed by Veph to be his backup with Casari's demise, I didn't want to leave us another week without putting in place the mechanism to ensure both our survival, as well as to put forward ESF's proposal, also potentially needed for the competition's survival.

In short, I stress that my actions were taken for the sake of (then necessary) expediency, and not exclusion; however, I do apologize for going too unilaterally on this.

I support The Archregimancy's proposal, even section 3.

* the actions done being done in the capacity of acting President, as assumed by Vephrall, due to his absence, Casari's demise, and the fact that I was theoretically "next in line". As I had acknowledged when I did move forward, Proposal 1093 and its amendments did not actually give me - or anyone - the power to step up, hence why I felt the need to push forward a proposal to legitimately appoint an interim successor.

To be fair, in the modern era (since Proposal 1093 and onwards were introduced) we have never had a president that isn't also on the EWCC. Furthermore, as we're talking about an emergency stand in, it might be better to have someone of more authority. Just throwing out possibilities...

Precisely.

There's no limitation on who may become the properly-elected WCC president, and I don't want to see any such limitation introduced.

But... where we need to temporarily replace both a WCC president and a WCC vice-president on short notice, I think that it might help if we can guarantee that the person who finds himself (or herself) put in that position has some NSWC admin experience, preferably through past WC hosting. Ditto with the people actually voting. I stress that I don't want or expect us to need to put this in place except in very rare circumstances (we need to lose both the prez and VP, after all), but we need some sort of mechanism to address this, and preferably a mechanism that can move quickly, with a minimum of fuss, and with a voting and candidate pool with experience of what needs to be done at short notice.

Otherwise, I recognise that Legalese was acting with everyone's best interests at heart, and I don't mean to suggest otherwise, but I was worried that the method he was putting forward as a short term solution might set an awkward precedent. Having a formal rule in place addresses this. Veph's temporary absence has shown a potential flaw in our rules, and we might as well address this just in case....

And I realise that my clause 3 might raise eyebrows slightly, but we need a quick and simple way of resolving a tie without arguments. Contrary to what I wrote in the original proposal, the tie-breaking nation wouldn't necessarily always be me (in Ari's absence) since I'd actually have to vote to be the tie-breaker; if I weren't to vote, then some other lucky nation (not sure who'd be next in line if I weren't to vote) would find themselves as potential tie breaker.

Just wanted to note that I now have a co-host for the intended Cup of Harmony 33 bid. It will be myself and Zwangzug.

Can someone link me to the download for Bedi's scorinator? I want to restart my domestic league (after the War of Golden Succession). Thank you.

An Alternative Proposal:

Anything that has votes suffers from the "who handles the voting?" syndrome. I propose a simpler, yet fair way that IMO would solve this problem.

The WCC Pres and Vice Pres would themselves select (preferably from the EWWC but not required) a Shadow Pres and a Shadow VP (Each office selects their shadow counterparts)

Should neither the WCC Pres nor WCC VP be able to handle their duties then the Shadow Pres steps up if (for some reason) he can't the Shadow VP steps up.

President
Vice President
Shadow President
Shadow Vice President

This is perhaps much simpler and less room for conflicts to arise. The only caveat would be that the Shadow Pres and Shadow VP be different people.

If neither one of these 4 can perform their duties then we've got major problems we need to be worried about more that "Who will collect our votes"

Not that Arch's proposal is bad, it's infact very good, but I thought we could go a different way, and I believe we need to have options if we are properly going work out a way to deal with this flaw in the current system.

Can someone link me to the download for Bedi's scorinator? I want to restart my domestic league (after the War of Golden Succession). Thank you.
It's in his signature!

http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gth681k/nsfs/nsfs207.zip

An Alternative Proposal:

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I respectfully disagree, Baz.

What you're proposing is that an unelected appointee with no mandate from either the WCC or EWCC take over. You have no mechanism to stop inappropriate appointment of shadows by a disgruntled president or vice-president standing down in a fit of pique. You also fail to specify at what point these 'shadow' people are appointed, or whether, when, or how many times a shadow can be replaced.

I can see what you're trying to do, but your proposal - as written - is deeply flawed.

As to the 'who handles the vote' issue you think is a problem, see the last sentence of my clause 2: 'Votes may be tabulated by any EWCC member not standing for election, as nominated by the person first calling the vote.'


Meanwhile, I'm going to have a rare outbreak of juvenile emotion....

PLAY UP POMPEY

POMPEY PLAY UP

Sorry about that. Normal service is now resumed; after all, I've only had two celebratory pints (so far)

I would like to go on record as supporting Arch's proposal in full (including section 3, which is at least an objective way of resolving an admittedly unlikely tie).

Also, while I still have not truly gotten permanently settled yet, at least the hotel I'm staying at in the interim does have internet access. Therefore, I feel confident enough to resume my Presidential duties, effective immediately.

I'll leave the floor open for comments for another 24 hours or so, and if there are no major objections to the proposal, I'll open it up for voting then.

Tangent

Regarding who would be next in line if Arch didn't vote...that would be Spaam (WC6). In the fairly likely case that he didn't vote either, it would then fall to me (WC8, as Bedistan), followed by Kura-Pelland (WC12, as Kaze Progressa).

Secant

I'm happy to see that we have at least one bid for WC41 now. I'll leave the bidding process open through Tuesday at 6pm Eastern, at which point voting (if necessary) can begin.

Hyperbolic Arccosine

Veph's Travel Tip of the Day: If you need to stay in a hotel, not only should you stay out of major cities in order to save money, get out of the suburbs too. I still can't believe I spent two hundred len* on that place last night.

* 1 Vephrese len = about US$0.40. Used in this post just because I can, dammit.

TANGENT

I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by talking to a talking lizard.

CHORD

I don't actually have car insurance, so I made up the part about talking to a talking lizard (although there was a lizard in my story).

HYPOBOLIC ARCSINH

Han's Tip of the Day: Don't get started with the geeky, nerdy trigonometric functions (aka the reasons why people hate math) on a forum where you are more likely to encounter same geeky, nerdy trigonometric people; you'll get more than what you bargained for.

PI

Gratz to Zenit one more time, as FSC (Fox Soccer Channel) successfully airs their 43281827358th viewing of the UEFA Cup Final in its splendid beauty. Now... if only they managed to show other %$#^, then we'd happy (like change their name to FAFC, Fox Association Football Channel - NOT Fox America's Funniest Channel).

THETA

If everyone is alright with the decision, I'll close the BoF sign-ups early, since I was alerted to an error that gives us all 16+ even-numbered contestants for the BoF. If anyone objects, please submit it in writing to our BoF Office of Complaints, Critiques, and Compliments (NOT the Imperial Office of Complaints, Critiques, and Compliments, since they'll probably laugh at you). So far, the office hasn't been put to great use. My intention is to start the BoF as soon as the OFC ends, which - as some of my cute participants might have noticed - is foregoing the bye-day (apologies!!!) to make up time for the final match!

Just when you thought ONE was enough... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=556880)

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2- Maybe. I'll discuss it with Oli. -----> discussed and agreed. The modifier limit is now from -3 to +3
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HOLY CARP, BATMAN!

Someone listened to Qazox, about anything related to the World Cup!?!

Does anyone know if the OXEN cup is running at the same time as the Di Bradini Cup or before or after? (For RP purposes)

Tangent

Regarding who would be next in line if Arch didn't vote...that would be Spaam (WC6). In the fairly likely case that he didn't vote either, it would then fall to me (WC8, as Bedistan), followed by Kura-Pelland (WC12, as Kaze Progressa).
I find it very scary that I am the second oldest hosting World Cup nation, personally. Thank goodness I don't have time for this ;)

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I respectfully disagree, Baz.

What you're proposing is that an unelected appointee with no mandate from either the WCC or EWCC take over. You have no mechanism to stop inappropriate appointment of shadows by a disgruntled president or vice-president standing down in a fit of pique. You also fail to specify at what point these 'shadow' people are appointed, or whether, when, or how many times a shadow can be replaced.

I can see what you're trying to do, but your proposal - as written - is deeply flawed.

As to the 'who handles the vote' issue you think is a problem, see the last sentence of my clause 2: 'Votes may be tabulated by any EWCC member not standing for election, as nominated by the person first calling the vote.'


Meanwhile, I'm going to have a rare outbreak of juvenile emotion....

PLAY UP POMPEY

POMPEY PLAY UP

Sorry about that. Normal service is now resumed; after all, I've only had two celebratory pints (so far)

My current position on the following would be...

1. When and how many times can Shadow officers be elected.

Standard would be at the start of their presidential /vp terms (current Pres and VP to nominate immediately if proposal passes. however should the shadow wish to step down they would be required to select someone else.

2. Isn't it un-democratic?

What do Pres and VP's actually do? They facilitate the collection and running for votes taken. I can't see this proposal as any different as to the current practice of Pres or VP delegating such responsibilty to others (usually only when they are involved in the voting process). As I said originally, it's another way to achieve a goal and it would be amiss not to atleast consider it.

3. What about Pres/VP gone wild?

By each Shadow office being nominated by their respective elected offices I don't see this as a real problem but I have additional measures which should solve this.

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As you may realise the proposal wasn't fully formed when I first raised it, partly to say "Hey, I'm coming up with an idea" and partly to say "Opinions"?

However now. I'd like to raise this as a new proposal.



Establish the offices of Shadow President and Shadow Vice President
These offices respectively shall be filled by a nominated person selected by their respective elected officials, at the beginning of their office or at any juncture that a shadow official may not be able fulfil their role.
Only come into play when both elected officials are unable to fulfil their role.
During time in play Shadow officials can only start votes necessary for the continued smooth running of the WC(e.g. Host voting and Presidential elections) and may not attempt to introduce new legislation.
Have no special abilities when out of play
Shadow President has Seniority over Shadow Vice President

Any EWWC member can attempt to oust a President or Vice President. The votes are to be collected by a nominated EWWC member and requires a super majority of 2/3rds to successfully oust an elected official. If an official is ousted new WCC Presidential elections are to be held and are to be ran by a nominated EWWC member


To be honest, I don't see why we don't have a mechanism for removing an elected President or Vice President from office or calling new Presidential elections. Which clearly with the VP position of Casari being nullified by his withdrawl from NS, we probably should have done.

Does anyone know if the OXEN cup is running at the same time as the Di Bradini Cup or before or after? (For RP purposes)

Does it matter? :p A RP is a RP, and I'm sure nobody would actually agree to something.

There's too much unnecessary bureaucracy in Baz's proposal, imo. I'm opposed to it and would favour Arch's alternative.

Does anyone know if the OXEN cup is running at the same time as the Di Bradini Cup or before or after? (For RP purposes)

My timeline has the DBC after the Oxen Cup - as the Oxen Cup is for teams who have been knocked out at the Group Stages of the World Cup and Cup of Harmony. The Di Bradini Cup is a Pre-WC41 tournament.

Does anyone know if the OXEN cup is running at the same time as the Di Bradini Cup or before or after? (For RP purposes)

Before and/or After, depending on how you look at it. The OXEN CUP is always after every WC group stage and after most of the CoH as well.

In order i believe it goes: Di Bradini Cup, Baptism of Fire, World Cup Qualifers, Cup of Harmony, World Cup, then the Oxen Cup.

I have no real idea where the Oriential Cup fits in. Personally I think it starts at the same time as the Oxen Cup, but Daehanjeiguk may have a different opinion.

Even though the CoH, usually starts just after the World Cup itself starts, in RL, in NS it's like aa few months before, if you use 4 years between Cups.

My opinion of the Cup Timelines:

Year 1 April-June: Di Brandini Cup
Year 1 September- Year 2 May: Baptism of Fire
Year 2 September- Year 3 November: World Cup Qualifiers
Year 4 (Feb/Mar): Cup of Harmony
Year 4 (June/July): WORLD CUP
Year 4 (Oct/Nov): Oxen Cup and Oriental Cup.

Interrelated questions for both bids, which I didn't feel like posting twice in separate threads:

What ranks (pre-cup? post-qualifiers? Some combination of the two) will be used for finals scorination?

This one is a little harder to phrase, so let me know if it doesn't make sense:

The hosts, I'm assuming, will be placed into finals groups at random. If they are not ranked in the top pot, will they "displace" a first-seed team? Example: Starblaydia and Krytenia replaced the first seeds in their groups (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13618361&postcount=19), while Kura-Pelland and Vephrall "still [held] bottom-seed placings" (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13267235&postcount=443). Would you emulate either of those patterns? If not, how would you be seeded?

Thanks and good luck!