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The Autocephalous Iconodulistic Orthodox Church of Bazalonia being from the same nation as the President of the WCC states that such a relationship is enough for the Monastic World Cup to get underway and become a non-official WCC-sanctioned event.

lol stupid waste of time agruments.

Daehanjeiguk

First are there any official acceptable abbreviations of that? Han?

Anyways, I'm unclear what your point is. No one is stopping Qazox from running whatever he wants, just that he doesn't bug us with it. It has nothing to do with the world cup and is offensive to some. Personally I think he was doing great with the Qazox cup and don't see why he needs to bring back the WWC.

As to Yafor 2, the day we get hosts who ban non-male entities your argument will be valid. But this ISN'T REAL LIFE. So women are allowed, as are many other things as has been posted many life. IRL arguments just don't work for NS things.

I resent being quoted out of context to imply that I was endorsing the Women's World Cup.

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Arch, I apologize for the way i used your comment. I did not purposely attempt to have your quote be taken out of context. I should have been clearer in how i used it.

Daehanjeiguk

First are there any official acceptable abbreviations of that? Han?

Anyways, I'm unclear what your point is. No one is stopping Qazox from running whatever he wants, just that he doesn't bug us with it. It has nothing to do with the world cup and is offensive to some. Personally I think he was doing great with the Qazox cup and don't see why he needs to bring back the WWC.

first of all, apologies - i usually tack on a responsibility waiver, but i failed to do that in the previous message that was supposed to be caustic satire.

second, Han is perfectly acceptable. In fact, aside from other non-abbreviated abbreviations, it is the only official abbreviation by the Imperial Government sanctioned for official use - oocly, I prefer Han to Daehanjeiguk (because it's too damned long and too official).

third, my last post was supposed to reflect two critiques - one of criticizing the people criticizing Qazox for the Women's World Cup, and the other criticizing the people who criticize perpetuating the issue at hand. I've been rather lenient on Qazox in my opinion, and I don't harbor any true maligned intentions against his WWC proposal; like most people here, I think it has been perhaps advocated a little more vocally than most other publications, but it has been justified in that he has made a separate thread. Furthermore, I don't think qazox ever mentioned having it officially sanctioned by the WWC, instead opting to have people who normally participate in the WC to participate in the WWC. I've already stated my intentions about that in the other thread, so I feel no need to repeat them here. In general, the only true criticism I have for Qazox is not that he continues to post about the WWC proposal here (in fact, in the past three days, I've only notified a small handful of posts for the WWC proposal - the majority of other posts were non-sequitur or giving their opinions about it) - but rather that he remains decisively indecisive about his recourses. I personally have my objections (stated in the other thread) and whether or not he takes them is to his lot, but the question has been dangling in front of him, and it seems to me that not being fully committed to the creation of a sign-up for it (in contrast to Starblaydia's short gestation period - it was only a couple days since the proposal was made and the action was taken, unless I'm missing part of the story).

To quote one of the more popular movies about baseball: "If you build it, they will come." It'll take work of course, but at the moment, Qazox only has an idea; once it's settled, it becomes a reality. And heaven knows then - he can iron out the issues that make it unaesthetic.

I do hope that this does clarify the point of my post. If it doesn't, then we're all doomed.

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To quote one of the more popular movies about baseball: "If you build it, they will come." It'll take work of course, but at the moment, Qazox only has an idea; once it's settled, it becomes a reality. And heaven knows then - he can iron out the issues that make it unaesthetic.


Han, It's already been built, just trying to get people to Come.

You know, I also recall starting your own discussion thread for it too. :p Remember that one? Had "Women's World Cup" in the title and everything.

Furthermore, I don't think qazox ever mentioned having it officially sanctioned by the WCC, instead opting to have people who normally participate in the WC to participate in the WWC.

Not since you joined the WC, but this led to a heated discussion in the old thread not so long ago.

You've only been active in the WC since Qaz put the WWC on hold, so it's understandable that you don't appreciate the depth of feeling that some of us have on this issue. Part of the concern is that Qaz will attempt to push the WWC the way he used to in the old thread, which I would imagine that very few of us want. Bringing it up again in this thread was a case of waving the proverbial red flag at a bull.

But as to your point that:

he remains decisively indecisive about his recourses. I personally have my objections (stated in the other thread) and whether or not he takes them is to his lot, but the question has been dangling in front of him, and it seems to me that not being fully committed to the creation of a sign-up for it (in contrast to Starblaydia's short gestation period - it was only a couple days since the proposal was made and the action was taken, unless I'm missing part of the story).

I agree entirely. As I stated in his separate thread, none of us can stop him from starting his own tournament under whatever rules he sees fit. He should just get on with it if that's what he wants to do and stop bringing it up here.

Han, It's already been built, just trying to get people to Come.

And as seen, if people are not coming, it's time to take a hint.

And as seen, if people are not coming, it's time to take a hint.


:(

This from the 1st Champion of the tourney whose name i'm not going to mention.

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This from the 1st Champion of the tourney whose name i'm not going to mention.

Does the fact that I won the first tournament make my point any different? I don't think so... if anything it makes it stronger.

We've told you countless times already. Like has been said... if you're going to create it, just create it, and stop bothering us about it. End of.

Sorry for posting it here, it's just because this is a thread viewed by many nations...

As my computer's screen "exploded" last Sunday, I won't be able to RP in any thread that I was RPing. And I won't be able post the preview of my domestic league until I get my screen back... (Luckily I post the rosters for the WC before the incident)

Sorry for posting it here, it's just because this is a thread viewed by many nations...

As my computer's screen "exploded" last Sunday, I won't be able to RP in any thread that I was RPing. And I won't be able post the preview of my domestic league until I get my screen back... (Luckily I post the rosters for the WC before the incident)

Is it an LCD? I shattered mine June last year and got a new computer from the store (laptop).

@ Daehanjeiguk, I usually call you Dae...if I need to

AIF, your rewrite of Coleridge is absolutely brilliant - as always. :D I had most of the original in mind to compare with, which made it all the more funny.

Is it an LCD? I shattered mine June last year and got a new computer from the store (laptop).

@ Daehanjeiguk, I usually call you Dae...if I need to

Well, then you'd be called me fat - I do not appreciate my 70kg greatness being called fat.

but seriously, to each his or her own. I prefer Han; for all that I care, you could call me OOGLYBOOGLY, as long as I know that you're talking to me. (the editor of this post would like to note that this is not any public endorsement of calling the Empire OOGLYBOOGLY, but rather an example used to demonstrate an example of an odd name that would be acceptable but not preferred - albeit a humorous and obviously not preferable name; if you would like to lodge any comment, questions, or complaints, please consult the Imperial Office of Things to Resolve Eventually for further details.)


As for the WWC, this is the last thing I'm saying anything about it - anyone see the Germany-Argentina rout?

Well, then you'd be called me fat - I do not appreciate my 70kg greatness being called fat.

but seriously, to each his or her own. I prefer Han; for all that I care, you could call me OOGLYBOOGLY, as long as I know that you're talking to me. (the editor of this post would like to note that this is not any public endorsement of calling the Empire OOGLYBOOGLY, but rather an example used to demonstrate an example of an odd name that would be acceptable but not preferred - albeit a humorous and obviously not preferable name; if you would like to lodge any comment, questions, or complaints, please consult the Imperial Office of Things to Resolve Eventually for further details.)


As for the WWC, this is the last thing I'm saying anything about it - anyone see the Germany-Argentina rout?

From http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g7eAH9L60nULKg1Jv5DESmx41cGQ

He also criticised some of the Argentinian tactics, going for goal when they should have been defending.

LOL System Takil gone wrong!

oops... posted this in the wrong thread...

From http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g7eAH9L60nULKg1Jv5DESmx41cGQ

He also criticised some of the Argentinian tactics, going for goal when they should have been defending.

LOL System Takil gone wrong!

okay, this is my last comment (maybe).

I get my news from FIFA, but yeah, I don't think Argentina was playing the right game - notice two goals were earned by the Argentinian goalkeeper (ironically, the first and last goals). Probably Germany does deserve it though, but I'm glad I don't have to sit on the other side of a rout in any World Cup Finals match.

gratz to the bratz ^^

Well, the 24th Baptism of Fire/Hatchling Cup has been completed. Congratulations to the winner (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13044915&postcount=9).

^No spoilers. ;)

Talk about going from the Fire to the Frying pan...

Thanks to Sel Appa for putting on a great tourney, and I'm happy i won it!

GL all in the World Cup!

The RP thread and group draw (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=538054) for WC37 is now up. Good luck to all.

On a side note, I'd like to take the moment right now to apologize for my lack of scorinating any friendlies. Things got a bit more hectic than I expected, and as such, I wasn't able to get that taken care of. I can assure you that this won't be an issue for me as the cup progresses (though I do already have a planned absence for September 28 & 29, with a possible slightly-late scorination on the 30th in a worst-case scenario).

Anyways, best of luck to everyone, and I'll do my best to be an RP-active host, if not just a prompt and fair one ;-)

notice two goals were earned by the Argentinian goalkeeper (ironically, the first and last goals).

Both from corners, swung into a hopefully-catchable area for the 'keeper. She went to catch them and both bounced out of her hands and into the net. Not the greatest catcher in the world, and fairly unlucky they both went in (the first was in off the back post).

Jeruselem (moi) has finally got a proper graphic logo for JGN!
http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/8564/jgnlogohe2.png

Yes, it is based a real flag.

Dear Hosts,

1. Could you please allow two days between scorination in the finals?

2. Could you please score the Bettia and Taeshan friendlies before the cup starts?

Is anyone able to post a post-BoF KPB ranking list (in a form we can all read)?

Thanks in advance.

I have added the following comment to the Baptism of Frost discussion page (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Talk:Baptism_of_Fire) in NSwiki:

I think it is inappropriate and misleading to refer to BoFs by the corresponding World Cup #. Nowhere else is this done. RP threads, discussion threads & scoring threads all refer to a BoF by its own number. willd 15:25, 12 September 2007 (GMT)

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Because people probably won't notice it there, I have mentioned it in this thread to allow them the opportunity to make their own comments.

I think it's fine the way it is, because when referred to by World Cup Number, we know where they fall into the chronology of the World Cup, as it were.

And could someone post the excel or open office file as well?

I think it's fine the way it is, because when referred to by World Cup Number, we know where they fall into the chronology of the World Cup, as it were.

I'd like to see both.

Have a look at Az-cz's signature in the post between ours. His reference, like every other one I ever see, is to the BoF number, not to the WC number.

I'd like to see both.

Have a look at Az-cz's signature in the post between ours. His reference, like every other one I ever see, is to the BoF number, not to the WC number.

*hastily looks up BoF numbers and changes sig*

I think it is inappropriate and misleading to refer to BoFs by the corresponding World Cup #. Nowhere else is this done. RP threads, discussion threads & scoring threads all refer to a BoF by its own number. willd 15:25, 12 September 2007 (GMT)

Cups of Harmony are often phrased as both at once - CoHWhatever for WCWhatever. Having both would be the most obvious way of doing things for the vets, but would BoFWhatever for WCWhatever confuse the newbies?

And could someone post the excel or open office file as well?

I am currently working on both, using Caf's post-WC36 ranks as a starter. I'll get them up as soon as I'm done.

Also, regarding the BoF, it's usually been done as "Baptism of Fire for WC ##"; and I really don't see a major need to change it. I just personally prefer uniformity, which I believe is what I did last time I edited the BoF page.

So how many puppet nations have played their very first qualifying match against their master nation? :p

Now presenting: The World Cup 37 KPB Rankings!

in excel format: here (http://jdfrew.people.wm.edu/WC37Ranks.xls)
in open office format: here (http://jdfrew.people.wm.edu/WC37Ranks.ods)

And in text:

1 Ariddia 57.71
2 Capitalizt SLANI 47.97
3 Elves Security Forces 47.55
4 Errinundera 45.46
5 Schiavonia 45.15
6 Bettia 45.05
7 Az-cz 40.75
8 Vilita 36.26
9 Milchama 34.89
10 Zwangzug 34.78
11 Jeruselem 33.37
12 Demot 33.32
13 The Holy Empire 32.14
14 Squornshelous 31.19
15 Bazalonia 30.99
16 Wentland 30.74
17 The Lowland Clans 30.54
18 Cafundéu 30.46
19 Oliverry 29.54
20 The Archregimancy 28.53
21 Sel Appa 28.43
22 Fmjphoenix 27.38
23 Qazox 23.84
24 Tynelia 23.55
25 Turori 23.24
26 Quakmybush 22.09
27 The HURD 21.92
28 Rejistania 21.12
29 Bostopia 21.11
30 Yafor 2 20.76
31 Northern Bettia 19.71
32 Estresse Intenso 16.86
33 Atheistic Right 16.30
34 Kiryu-shi 16.03
35 Assegai Developments 15.98
36 Jasīyūn 15.95
37 Acapais 15.67
38 Green wombat 15.58
39 Geisenfried 14.23
40 Sativaville 13.18
41 Swilatia 12.11
42 Lovisa 11.55
43 Spruitland 11.00
44 Dance 2 Revolution 10.46
45 St. Samuel 10.25
46 Kura-Pelland 9.94
47 Kampfers 9.71
48 Bushes Been Quaked 9.70
49 Novapsolu 9.39
50 Jariss 9.00
51 Grotewohl 8.96
52 Kristovenia 8.62
53 Cookesland 8.50
54 Daehanjeiguk 8.50
55 Vephrall 8.37
56 Candelaria and Marquez 7.73
57 Endmile 7.41
58 The Islands of Qutar 7.26
59 Ulzaxid 6.96
60 Patusan 6.80
61 Turruth Gordur 6.47
62 Rugiero 5.61
63 Sorthern Northland 5.52
64 British Londinium 5.17
65 Bercktesgaden 5.14
66 Western Afghanistan 4.93
67 Ropa-Topia 4.87
68 Bellzantium 4.69
69 Keyne Island 4.51
70 Aurendia 4.51
71 Ad'ihan 4.45
72 Billopesha 4.14
73 Fort Europe 4.05
74 Jeru FC 4.01
75 TT Lake Side 3.96
76 Nedalia 3.67
77 Non-RPing Noob 3.66
78 New Montreal States 3.43
79 The Sons of a Monkey 3.32
80 Northern Caesarea 3.31
81 Trumanistan 3.31
82 United Island Empires 3.28
83 Planting 3.16
84 Kansiov 3.07
85 Abu Omar 3.00
86 Niosis 2.92
87 Thelema Abbey 2.87
88 Collonie 2.86
89 Starblaydia 2.77
90 Cebumopolis 2.77
91 Tylero 2.54
92 Fargess 2.35
93 Prux 2.29
93 Tremarendakia 2.29
95 Herchimer 2.23
96 Suze-la-Rousse 2.20
97 Nitrodymium 2.16
98 Veitau 2.00
99 The Coshairs 1.86
99 Uiri 1.86
101 Unkown Suburbia 1.80
101 Delesa 1.80
103 Shmibabway 1.78
104 Recluse Island 1.71
104 Taeshan 1.71
106 Daughrty 1.60
107 Schorteskatascansolani 1.58
108 ARealAdvance 1.58
109 Limbrogidlia 1.43
110 Quintessence of Dust 1.42
111 Cataduanes 1.40
111 Tolvarus 1.40
113 Salkehachie 1.34
114 Algal states 1.33
114 Kericia 1.33
114 Marceau State 1.33
114 Okielahoma 1.33
114 Rorysville 1.33
114 West Pasco 1.33
120 Haraki 1.25
121 Kuosio 1.20
122 East Lithuania 1.17
122 Oglethorpia 1.17
124 Kilmarnockshire 1.14
124 The Canelandic Islands 1.14
126 Cooksborough 1.08
126 J-Man2k7 1.08
128 Clesmire 1.00
128 Nerotika 1.00
128 Minilla Island 1.00
128 Miamoria 1.00
132 SS Oakland 0.92
133 Homieville 0.86
133 The Comrade Emirates 0.86
133 New Brittonia 0.86
133 Vanek Drury Brieres 0.86
133 The Indonesian States 0.86
138 Ghost Tigers Rise 0.83
138 Mekhule 0.83
138 Raging Penguins 0.83
141 Cravan 0.80
142 Holweg 0.75
142 Magnus Valerius 0.75
144 Barbeques 0.71
144 Vikingholm 0.71
146 American Fist 0.67
146 Random Toast 0.67
148 Jaredcohenia 0.60
148 Rossglass 0.60
150 Junista 0.58
150 Kingsford 0.58
152 Kedalfax 0.57
152 Wehrmacher 0.57
152 The Crescent Republic 0.57
155 Netherwallop 0.50
155 St. Paul's Isle 0.50
157 Shackfold 0.44
158 Rastafariburg 0.43
159 The Macabees 0.42
160 Willink 0.40
161 Alexandrian Ptolemais 0.33
162 Central Prestonia 0.29
162 Niorthemme 0.29
164 Gnejs 0.17
165 Kirmarnockshire 0.15
166 Integrite 0.14
166 Vuam and Isma 0.14
168 Casari 0.00
168 Kelssek 0.00
168 Krytenia 0.00
168 Kulikova 0.00
168 Lethislavania 0.00
168 Liverpool England 0.00
168 Nebuleux 0.00
168 Tanah Burung 0.00
168 Ambrose-Douglas 0.00
168 Oickoidia 0.00


note that up to the first two decimal places will be used for scorination

Will they still have KPB for WC38 or will it be reset? I think they came in at WC35.

After WC37 they'll still have a KPB rank, as the pre-38 ranks will take WC35, 36 and 37 into account. They'll be reset to 0 for WC 39, assuming they last competed in WC35.

EDIT: Bloody jolt timewarp.

Dear Hosts,

1. Could you please allow two days between scorination in the finals?
*support*

Cups of Harmony are often phrased as both at once - CoHWhatever for WCWhatever. Having both would be the most obvious way of doing things for the vets, but would BoFWhatever for WCWhatever confuse the newbies?
I tried to at least post in my OP that it was BoF 24 for WC37...I think. They should be either both or just the BoF number.

98 Veitau 2.00
Good. Will they still have KPB for WC38 or will it be reset? I think they came in at WC35.

Erm, I'm looking at my fixtures, and I'm a bit concerned.

H, H, H, A, H, H, H, A, A, A, H, A, A, A

Is there something wrong with team three's fixtures, and is there any chance the home/away team could be mixed up a bit?

It just seems a bit "generic" if that's the right word, and all but 1 of my home games being played in the first half of qualifying is rather, well, a bit odd.

Ta much for any clarification/re-jigging of fixtures.

what he said. That's kinda stupid especially for a higher ranked team. For the 8th seed sure. But the third seed, no way.

Legal/Novapsolu has spoken to me regarding the fixtures, and while I'm not a spokesman for the WC hosts, he's told me that the fixtures are going to be fixed. This won't be a re-draw of fixtures though, just a re-jigging of home/away teams for teams drawn 3rd in their respective groups.

I'd like to thank Legal for being prompt about this issue :)

Erm, I'm looking at my fixtures, and I'm a bit concerned.

H, H, H, A, H, H, H, A, A, A, H, A, A, A

Is there something wrong with team three's fixtures, and is there any chance the home/away team could be mixed up a bit?

It just seems a bit "generic" if that's the right word, and all but 1 of my home games being played in the first half of qualifying is rather, well, a bit odd.

Ta much for any clarification/re-jigging of fixtures.

Yeah, I just found the issue. I see three possible swaps to make, which will simply involved switching the home/away teams, for a more equitable distribution. Once I can speak with Adihan tonight, we will make these changes known as soon as possible, though none of them should have to do with who plays who, just who hosts.

Please accept my apologies for not catching it before posting the original schedule, and thanks for bringing it to my attention.

One other polite request to the hosts...

When you edit the first post to the RP thread to re-jig fixtures, could you - as is now traditional - also please insert individual team roster thread links in the group draw for each team with a roster.

I do appreciate from personal experience that this is a lot of work, but it does greatly increase the user-friendliness of both that first post and the roster thread itself.

Thanks!

what he said. That's kinda stupid especially for a higher ranked team. For the 8th seed sure. But the third seed, no way.

Tell that to Bed-- uh, Vephrall, after all, it's NSFS's default fixture set :p

Guess i talked about the thing i will not talk about in here again too much.


JERUSELEM AND YAFOR 2 in my group?

THANKS.

And Jeruselem, the JGN logo looks nice.

Guess i talked about the thing i will not talk about in here again too much.


JERUSELEM AND YAFOR 2 in my group?

THANKS.

We're just missing Wentland :p

So how many puppet nations have played their very first qualifying match against their master nation? :p

You're Vikingholm?




Also, thanks for clearing up that 3rd seed thingy hosts. Got me all nervous there.

JERUSALEM AND QAZOX IN MY GROUP?

THANKS!

:p No, j/k. BTW, Jeru, I did qualify for the last world cup. Check your facts. ;)

JERUSALEM AND QAZOX IN MY GROUP?

THANKS!

:p No, j/k. BTW, Jeru, I did qualify for the last world cup. Check your facts. ;)

You did, I didn't notice ... :D
I fixed it then.

Fixtures have been fixed. The new fixture list is as follows:

MD1: 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5
MD2: 3v1, 8v2, 7v4, 6v5
MD3: 1v5, 2v4, 8v3, 6v7
MD4: 7v1, 6v2, 5v3, 8v4
MD5: 1v2, 3v7, 4v6, 5v8
MD6: 4v1, 2v3, 7v5, 8v6
MD7: 1v6, 5v2, 3v4, 7v8

MD8-14 repeat MD1-7 with home/away flipped.

We're just missing Wentland :p

some how i think one of us 3 will play them in the World Cup.. would be a family reunion of sorts.

I'm telling you all,　if you just tell me what requirements I want I can give you a fair schedule. It's not at all hard if you do it by hand rather than leaving it to machines.

Also, what's the word on adding an extra rest day in between group stage matches in the cup proper?

Also, what's the word on adding an extra rest day in between group stage matches in the cup proper?

As it stands, right now the schedule (which is based off the WC36 schedule) suits me very well, because my classes restart on Oct. 15 and the final is currently set for Oct. 14.

If you want an extra rest day between those matches, would it be okay to NOT have a rest day between second round and QF/QF and SF matches? That would keep the schedule intact, ending on the 14th.

One other polite request to the hosts...

When you edit the first post to the RP thread to re-jig fixtures, could you - as is now traditional - also please insert individual team roster thread links in the group draw for each team with a roster.

I do appreciate from personal experience that this is a lot of work, but it does greatly increase the user-friendliness of both that first post and the roster thread itself.

Thanks!

I'll get it done by tonight my time (morning US time). :)

Fixtures have been fixed. The new fixture list is as follows:

MD1: 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5
MD2: 3v1, 8v2, 7v4, 6v5
MD3: 1v5, 2v4, 8v3, 6v7
MD4: 7v1, 6v2, 5v3, 8v4
MD5: 1v2, 3v7, 4v6, 5v8
MD6: 4v1, 2v3, 7v5, 8v6
MD7: 1v6, 5v2, 3v4, 7v8

MD8-14 repeat MD1-7 with home/away flipped.

You made me change my NSWiki :p TG I didn't have to re-write my RP.

As it stands, right now the schedule (which is based off the WC36 schedule) suits me very well, because my classes restart on Oct. 15 and the final is currently set for Oct. 14.

If you want an extra rest day between those matches, would it be okay to NOT have a rest day between second round and QF/QF and SF matches? That would keep the schedule intact, ending on the 14th.

As Ariddia and myself discovered during World Cup 34, people around here can feel fairly strongly about the need for two days of RP'ing between matches in the finals.

Given that, due to your respective ranks, it seems unlikely that either of you would get past the second round, the better solution might be to continue with the consistent 2 day breaks, and then get Novapsolu to scorinate the last couple of matches if your schedule makes it impossible for you to do so.

But by all means see what general reaction is here before making a final decision.

Given that, due to your respective ranks, it seems unlikely that either of you would get past the second round, the better solution might be to continue with the consistent 2 day breaks, and then get Novapsolu to scorinate the last couple of matches if your schedule makes it impossible for you to do so.

That sounds like a winner to me. I really would like to have two days between all the games in the cup proper.

Now presenting: The World Cup 37 KPB Rankings!

in excel format: here (http://jdfrew.people.wm.edu/WC37Ranks.xls)

<snip>



Thanks. It's much appreciated.

Cups of Harmony are often phrased as both at once - CoHWhatever for WCWhatever. Having both would be the most obvious way of doing things for the vets, but would BoFWhatever for WCWhatever confuse the newbies?

I think the page can be improved in a way that would suit everyone's expectations. I will work on this weekend - if people don't like it, the old page can be restored.

Sttill need help wit jerseys

Is this the sort of thing you had in mind?

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/regnans/Taeshan.png

If you decide to use these kits please acknowledge the Errinundera Textile Workers Union in your roster. They have volunteered their time and labour in producing these kits. A donation to some charity in your nation would be nice.

To use the picture, remove the asterisks from the line below and copy into your post.
[*IMG]http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/regnans/Taeshan.png[/IMG*]

BTW, I'm not really spamming this thread - I'm just being friendly.

That sounds like a winner to me. I really would like to have two days between all the games in the cup proper.
I think we need the two-days. By that time in the Cup, I get lazy and procrastinate and need the extra day.

*snip*

Nice job, Erri. We may recruit your textile workers in the future.

Is it an LCD? I shattered mine June last year and got a new computer from the store (laptop).

No, it was just an old screen... but now I'm back and ready to return to RP.

Official Presidential Announcement.

Voting Now CLOSED!
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Votes Received: 19

Votes For: 17
Votes Against: 1
Abstention: 1

89% in favour - passed

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Votes Received: 19

Votes for: 16
Votes Against: 2
Abstention: 1

84% in favour - passed

Qazox 0-2 Rastafariburg

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Yeah, considering your opponent hasn't even tried to RP!
Another time warp ... I must be in another spacial reality.

Qazox 0-2 Rastafariburg

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

spam

lol n00b

Qazox 0-2 Rastafariburg

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

It's called an upset.

It happens sometimes.

ever heard of Quakmybush :P

It's called an upset.

It happens sometimes.

There was nothing written before here at all, seriously :headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:

On the road yes i could see it happening, BUT TO AN UNRANKED TEAM AT HOME AND I'M 23RD IN THE WORLD? THAT'S BULLSHIT.

ME thinks something else, but i can't prove it.

On the road yes i could see it happening, BUT TO AN UNRANKED TEAM AT HOME AND I'M 23RD IN THE WORLD? THAT'S BULLSHIT.
World Cup 15 qualifiers: (#23) Commerce Heights 0–1 Isles of Wohlstand (NR)

It does happen. :p

Qaz.... your kidding me right, you cant be accusing LE of fixing....

Qaz, please, you aint got nothing, now Demot 0-3 Casari needs a tad explaining...

ESF only kids :p

World Cup 15 qualifiers: (#23) Commerce Heights 0–1 Isles of Wohlstand (NR)

It does happen. :p

It does.

World Cup 5 Qualifying: (#11) Audioslavia 0-4 (NR) Squornshelous

Calm yourself down Qaz.

ME thinks something else, but i can't prove it.



Which is a serious allegation, and one you should not be making, regardless of your frustration over the loss.

All I can say is that rare results can happen. Heck, your result wasn't even the most unlikely of those today. If anything, all you can do is relax, RP to improve your chances of winning, and figure that the law of averages should eventually swing in your favor.

Also, if Ad'ihan is fixing matches, I'd have smacked him for it already :p

It does.

World Cup 5 Qualifying: (#11) Audioslavia 0-4 (NR) Squornshelous

Calm yourself down Qaz.

To be fair, though, in WC5, "unranked" meant 45th, and we were on the sequential system back then. ;)

To be fair, though, in WC5, "unranked" meant 45th, and we were on the sequential system back then. ;)

Yes, but it was still a sufficiently large upset to cause a bit of consternation. The fact remains, Qazox's reaction was completely out of proportion and his insinuation was totally out of line.

Don't know what the fuss is about, I lost 5-0. LOL

Qaz.... your kidding me right, you cant be accusing LE of fixing....

Quak you know me better than that, just Bitching that's all.

Which is a serious allegation, and one you should not be making, regardless of your frustration over the loss.


LE, Didn't mean to insinuate anything by my comment, just sour grapes that's all.

(STILL BITCHING HERE: Although getting drawn into a Group with 2 teams that RP as much as I do (better than I do) is a bit unusual as well.)

But this too shall pass. It will make my qualifing for the Cup all the much sweeter.

Oh, damn, I thought drawing against a team ranked in the 100s was bad. But two number one seeds and a number two seed losing. Ouch.

On to other things...

Jeruselem, any Info you want to release about Coach Fowler in your RP's is fine with me, except for why he wasn't allowed on the team, I'm saving that for later.

Yes, but it was still a sufficiently large upset to cause a bit of consternation. The fact remains, Qazox's reaction was completely out of proportion and his insinuation was totally out of line.

As said before, Did not mean to insinuate anything, just came out while writing at the time.

Qaz,

As others have pointed out already, you're doing yourself no favours. Your reaction is inappropriate and over the top. Do you see me here whining about my 0-0 home draw with an unranked team? No. Instead I'm already working on an appropriate RP.

The fact remains that all scorinators are liable to produce the occasional unlikely scoreline, and you have been no more unfairly treated by the scorinator than you were in the group draw (which didn't stop you from complaining about the latter for, what, the 6th consecutive cup?)

You're the NS World Cup version of the boy who cried wolf. We've stopped listening.

Perhaps you should take an example from Sel Appa, who's grown immeasurably in maturity over the last couple of months, to the point where I find his posts vastly more interesting to almost anything you write in this thread.

Yes, that's right.... I'm comparing your level of maturity unfavourably to Sel Appa's. Perhaps pause take a moment to think about the implications of that.

On to other things...

Jeruselem, any Info you want to release about Coach Fowler in your RP's is fine with me, except for why he wasn't allowed on the team, I'm saving that for later.

No problem! Since he wasn't in any of my original WC rosters - I can make it up anything about him I guess.

As others have pointed out already, you're doing yourself no favours. Your reaction is inappropriate and over the top. ... and you have been no more unfairly treated by the scorinator than you were in the group draw (which didn't stop you from complaining about the latter for, what, the 6th consecutive cup?)


You're the NS World Cup version of the boy who cried wolf. We've stopped listening.

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Yes, that's right.... I'm comparing your level of maturity unfavourably to Sel Appa's. Perhaps pause take a moment to think about the implications of that.

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Ok. It's not like I'm out of contention yet, I over reacted, and I humbly Apologize to all.

I will not make another comment about this World Cup unless it is in RP form on the RP thread.

As said before, Did not mean to insinuate anything, just came out while writing at the time.

If you didn't mean it you shouldn't have said it. It's insulting to a host who is donating their time to the NS community for the tourney. Maybe you weren't thinking straight at the time of posting, but if that was the case you shouldn't have posted. When you do something out of line, don't go trying to justify what you said by saying you weren't thinking right, just apologize to the hosts and move on.

ESF only kids :p
maybe :p
but if anyone was on IRC, they know that even the hosts and Veph are scratching their heads on that one. That outcome was a 0.7% of occuring, quite strange.

You also forgot to mention that even I thought that it was so odd, I was the one who figured out how improbable it was. :p There is a benefit to having probability curves and charts for half-working scorinators scattered about.

You also forgot to mention that even I thought that it was so odd, I was the one who figured out how improbable it was. :p There is a benefit to having probability curves and charts for half-working scorinators scattered about.

Vilita 0-1 Boyancy

Vilita = #8
Boyancy = UNR

:D

Baz, Miceland v Ulzaxid friendly? See RP thread

Qaz, What do you mean, they're are always a couple of teams in your group who RP better than you. :p

It does.

World Cup 5 Qualifying: (#11) Audioslavia 0-4 (NR) Squornshelous

Calm yourself down Qaz.

Does this have to be brought up EVERY time theres a few upsets abound? You bastard Squorn :p

As for Qaz's upset, its a bit shit, yes, but upsets are fantastic RP fodder. Use your imagination, and I don't mean give an LE/Rejis style excuse like 'oh all our team got foodpoisoning', but take the upset and run with it. Say the pitch was crap thanks to the preceeding day's convention for turf-eating-mutants or something, and the other team had one shot on target in the second minute that hit two divots and rolled in, that the Qazox team proceeded to hit every grain of wood on the opposition's goalposts before, in a fit of rage in the ninety-first minute, your goalie picks up the ball and, thinking he's heard the full-time whistle, kicks it into his own goal. You could give them a dodgy penalty which they convert while your goalie isn't ready, you could look at the goal San Marino scored against England in 1993, where England kicked off, passed the ball around whilst one Sammarinese player ran helplessly after it, before Pearce goes to knock it back to the goalie, slices it, and the guy runs on to it to score for 1-0 after nine seconds.

Or, just give your team foodpoisoning. Thats what i'd do if I was annoyed, I think.

before, in a fit of rage in the ninety-first minute, your goalie picks up the ball and, thinking he's heard the full-time whistle, kicks it into his own goal.

Now THAT's an idea!

How old is Jeremy Jaffacake now, anyway? 200? :p

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Now THAT's an idea!

How old is Jeremy Jaffacake now, anyway? 200? :p

He must be, but he's my main guy. I'm going to RP a reason for his continued existance despite first appearing in my RPs way back in... erm, World Cup 8? I finished an RP with 'I've been Jeremy Jaffacake, g'nite bitches', someone laughed, and it stuck. He's been ever-present ever since, with the exception of one time when I tried to kill him off and then gave myself writers block. Any ideas for how I can account for JJ's apparent immortality?

EDIT: PS. Work and girlfriend commitments are going to prevent me from RPing every day, probably less than one in three days, so my RPs will be few and far between, but i'll at least try to make them as high quality as possible. If anyone wants to do some godmodding to my players or team, then thats fine with me, as long as you give me room to improvise some kind of RP situation. My absense from NS has given me the opportunity to RP Audioslavia as something other than the rich, sprawling, massive nation it used to be, and i'm still 'building' the country in my mind with every RP that I do, so outside influence will be much appreciated. Cheers

Any ideas for how I can account for JJ's apparent immortality?

If you hadn't locked him away in prison, I would have suggested that he'd moved to a country where time passes at RL speed. (Or that he became a monk and settled in the Archregimancy, where time goes by slowly too. :D)

If you hadn't locked him away in prison, I would have suggested that he'd moved to a country where time passes at RL speed. (Or that he became a monk and settled in the Archregimancy, where time goes by slowly too. :D)

Taken in to refuge by the monks... now there's a storyline in the making.

As for Qaz's upset, its a bit shit, yes, but upsets are fantastic RP fodder. Use your imagination, and I don't mean give an LE/Rejis style excuse like 'oh all our team got foodpoisoning', but take the upset and run with it.

Heh, am I that much of a bad RPer? I used various programming glitches, ineptness from the side of the coach, passport troubles (after my nation divided), airline issues, divine interceptions (the Sinijiil, anyone?), crappy player and even 'the other team scored more goals than us' as explanation why Rejistania lost... but food poisoning? I mean, please...

Heh, am I that much of a bad RPer? I used various programming glitches, ineptness from the side of the coach, passport troubles (after my nation divided), airline issues, divine interceptions (the Sinijiil, anyone?), crappy player and even 'the other team scored more goals than us' as explanation why Rejistania lost... but food poisoning? I mean, please...

Fair point. All I had was a vague memory of a miriad excuses in an unpronounceable language ;) the LE point still stands though :)

Fair point. All I had was a vague memory of a miriad excuses in an unpronounceable language ;) the LE point still stands though :)

You obviously haven't seen the standard of RPing by some people nowadays. :p

You obviously haven't seen the standard of RPing by some people nowadays. :p

Yeah, you wouldn't have bet on it a year ago but some of them are actually worse than LE. :p

Fair point. All I had was a vague memory of a miriad excuses in an unpronounceable language ;) the LE point still stands though :)
If the peasant can not swim, it is ALWAYS the swimsuit's fault. I try at least tried to be funny about it...

Audio one way to have Jeremy Jaffacake still would be that like Shamu, Jeremy Jaffacake is just a title and many people have been him over the ages.

Or he could just be a very old man who doesn't realise that he's not meant to live as long as he has

Or, just give your team foodpoisoning. Thats what i'd do if I was annoyed, I think.

Is AS a Spurs fan? :)

Seriously, these type of shocks are, well, shocking. 0.7% chance... lawks, that'd be offered at 100/1 by most bookmakers, and that's accounting for their profit margin.

Simply put, the NS world has far more equality in team ability than RL. England failing to beat Macedonia probably counts as not much less likely than Qazox or Vilita losing to Newbistan #1337. And, let's face it, the upsets can be fun.

(Doesn't make them any less annoying, though. But in a 14-game qualification phase, the luck tends to largely cancel out. Qazox failing to qualify would still be a big shock.)

I pray to whatever deity listens to the world of NS football - PLEASE NO UPSETS FOR TODAY!

(luckily, no big upsets today in China)

I pray to whatever deity listens to the world of NS football - PLEASE NO UPSETS FOR TODAY!

(luckily, no big upsets today in China)


That would be Margaret (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Margaret)

you could look at the goal San Marino scored against England in 1993, where England kicked off, passed the ball around whilst one Sammarinese player ran helplessly after it, before Pearce goes to knock it back to the goalie, slices it, and the guy runs on to it to score for 1-0 after nine seconds.

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmN5rz92kxY) totally owns that, even though it's women's... I can't find a clip of that though...and no one has identified anything about that Saudi who died...

If the peasant can not swim, it is ALWAYS the swimsuit's fault. I try at least tried to be funny about it...

I meant no offence, my friend. I only just realised you were entering this tournament just now, too, clad in shirts of YELLOW nonetheless. The world must be coming to an end...

Yeah, you wouldn't have bet on it a year ago but some of them are actually worse than LE. :p

im going to assume thats directed at me :p

If someone did get food poisoning, you could always reuse the Gooners' chants for that occasion.

Does this have to be brought up EVERY time theres a few upsets abound? You bastard Squorn :p

It does actually. I bring it up whenever I possibly can. It's my second favorite NSWC match I've ever played. I agree though, that upset's are wonderful RP material. Look at what one match did for the two of us.

Any ideas for how I can account for JJ's apparent immortality?

I seem to remember back in the early 20's, I brought up the fact that he'd been around for quite some time, and you said something to the effect that he was cryogenically frozen between cups. That would mean only 33 years have passed for him since your cup debut.

I pray to whatever deity listens to the world of NS football - PLEASE NO UPSETS FOR TODAY!

(luckily, no big upsets today in China)

too late...:p

I am a big fan of this round of upsets. :p

...It's my second favorite NSWC match I've ever played...

My second favourite qualifying match ever played was in WC32 when we beat the reigning champions and world # 1 side. Here's a link: Squornshelous 2 Errinundera 3 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12177273&postcount=422)

:cool:

My second favourite qualifying match ever played was in WC32 when we beat the reigning champions and world # 1 side. Here's a link: Squornshelous 2 Errinundera 3 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12177273&postcount=422)

I recall that match well. Some very interesting commentaries on Squornshelan Government Policy. XD

To be fair, if we're talking only about Qualifying matches than that old result is my most favorite, with nothing else really coming close, expect for my other two qualifying matches against AS.

I recall that match well. Some very interesting commentaries on Squornshelan Government Policy. XD

To be fair, if we're talking only about Qualifying matches than that old result is my most favorite, with nothing else really coming close, expect for my other two qualifying matches against AS.

Part of the reason for the commentary on the nation was to build up the idea of the odds being against Errinundera, the underdog in that match.

Finals matches are always the best. I imagine your number #1 match was the WC31 final?

Part of the commentary on the nation was to build up the idea of the odds being against Errinundera, the underdog in that match.

Finals match are always the best. I imagine your number #1 match was the WC31 final?

Yeah, I remember from the other fixture from that qualifying about how my players were confused by the lack of any sort of border security. And striker #3, good times. XD

You'd imagine right.

Aside from that one, most of my favorite matches have been against Audioslavia, Total n Utter Insanity and Rejistania.

EDIT: and Bedistan as well, had some great matches.

One would think winning would be the favorite, but mine is something else-

Casari 2
Bedistan 0.

Notable for the prematch speech and strategy of kicking the male Bedistanis in their reproductive areas.

hosts,

So far so good, but could you make an effort to keep the roster links updated? I know Ulzaxid has posted and it has been added yet.

Thanks.

If you hadn't locked him away in prison, I would have suggested that he'd moved to a country where time passes at RL speed. (Or that he became a monk and settled in the Archregimancy, where time goes by slowly too. :D)

Quite right, and I'll happily allow a Jeremy Jaffacake godmod involving the Archregimancy without any further involvement from myself - both because the Archregimancy was invited to the Jeremy Jaffacake Jubilee after WC24, and because I used to live in Audioslavia's city of residence (York - Fulford to be specific) until moving to Australia 6 years ago (and in two weeks it's back to Blighty, but this time to Hertfordshire).

But there's not just the Archregimancy... he could also have taken refuge in the Holy Empire, where, quoting the Alasdair I Frosticus wiki page:

...time appears to not only pass inconsistently within the Empire, but in some cases is also non-linear. It is said that the various Codex texts only begin to make some sort of sense when the reader realises that three days may have passed in Alasdairopolis where three weeks have passed in the Chacan capital of Philadelphia, and that an event which happened on Thursday in St. Mary's City might conceivably have happened on Monday in New Nicea. The Codex A and B texts even state that, in some rare cases, timelines may split so as to allow multiple events to happen in the same place at the same time. Needless to say, most outsiders find this very hard to understand or cope with.

Perhaps the Jeremy Jaffacake that was imprisoned was merely a localised Dream Simulacrum (also established Holy Empire RP precedent), while the real Jeremy took refuge in the Empire.

After all, I've brought back the Imperial captain from WCs 1-4, so why not someone who first appeared in World Cup 8?

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmN5rz92kxY) totally owns that

LOL. Not bad. I also remember this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE_DGrfNI60&mode=related&search=).

LOL. Not bad. I also remember this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE_DGrfNI60&mode=related&search=).

What would be ironic is if they couldn't score another goal and lost.

Well, whatever good luck charms have been working so far, let's hope they continue just for the next few days. <_>

First let me post some faux accusations/comments:

1. The puppets are being hosed. Demot has 1 point through 3 games, CHJSY has 1 and The HURD has 3. That's crazy.

2. Also what's with the anti-Rejis bias? 3 points for her two teams? :eek:

Some very weird results to start the tournament. Thankfull Az-cz hasn't been amongst them. <knock on wood> However Ulzaxid is a bit disappointing right now.

Ariddia 4-4 Sorthern Northland

Aaaand... the curse striketh anew! I'd been wondering why it was taking so long before my first implausible draw. :p

First let me post some faux accusations/comments:

1. The puppets are being hosed. Demot has 1 point through 3 games, CHJSY has 1 and The HURD has 3. That's crazy.

2. Also what's with the anti-Rejis bias? 3 points for her two teams? :eek:

Some very weird results to start the tournament. Thankfull Az-cz hasn't been amongst them. <knock on wood> However Ulzaxid is a bit disappointing right now.

We (Legal and I) are just as dumbfounded as any of you with the wacky scores. Only thing we can say is, blame Margaret! (Or failing that, blame the creator of NSFS, Vephrall...)

damnit.... i really need to rp... but i have 0 ideas for a change.

That's never stopped me...

First let me post some faux accusations/comments:

1. The puppets are being hosed. Demot has 1 point through 3 games, CHJSY has 1 and The HURD has 3. That's crazy.

2. Also what's with the anti-Rejis bias? 3 points for her two teams? :eek:

Some very weird results to start the tournament. Thankfull Az-cz hasn't been amongst them. <knock on wood> However Ulzaxid is a bit disappointing right now.

Puppets being hosed - that's normal for Jeru FC to be hosed! :p

damnit.... i really need to rp... but i have 0 ideas for a change.
Include the following phrases:
And thats when you use the goat
Then stick it in the blender
Thats why you need a butter knife

What's up with my away record! 1 draw and 1 loss.

:confused:

There appears to be a strong home ground advantage (which isn't a bad thing) in the scorinator. That could account for some of the controversial results. Perhaps the hosts could confirm?

There appears to be a strong home ground advantage (which isn't a bad thing) in the scorinator. That could account for some of the controversial results. Perhaps the hosts could confirm?

Which means I should beat Qazox next then ... maybe ...

I am wondering how I lost to a team that does not a)role play, or b)have a roster up? It is just insane.

There appears to be a strong home ground advantage (which isn't a bad thing) in the scorinator. That could account for some of the controversial results. Perhaps the hosts could confirm?

That would certainly explain the Holy Empire's latest result, but it doesn't really explain the Archregimancy's last two home draws against much weaker opposition.

I stress that the above is an observation only, not a complaint - the Archregimancy's WC36 qualification campaign was also characterised by solid results against the top teams and occasional disappointing draws or losses against weaker teams, so it's becoming a habit (and not the sort worn by Catholic nuns).

I am wondering how I lost to a team that does not a)role play, or b)have a roster up? It is just insane.

Because a) as specified in the sign-up post, RPs only increase your chance of winning rather than guaranteeing it and b) rosters almost never give any bonus; occasionally they're factored in to an initial RP bonus (as happened in one of the WCs I hosted), but even when they do, it's almost always minimal.

To paraphrase Pselluso the Seer, these things happen, they have always happened, they will always happen.

If the World Cup went solely on rank and RPing, we might as well hand the trophy to Ariddia now.

I am wondering how I lost to a team that does not a)role play, or b)have a roster up? It is just insane.

Because a) as specified in the sign-up post, RPs only increase your chance of winning rather than guaranteeing it and b) rosters almost never give any bonus; occasionally they're factored in to an initial RP bonus (as happened in one of the WCs I hosted), but even when they do, it's almost always minimal.

To paraphrase Pselluso the Seer, these things happen, they have always happened, they will always happen.

If the World Cup went solely on rank and RPing, we might as well hand the trophy to Ariddia now.

The World Cup (and for that matter all NS sports) is based on random numbers first and foremost. RPs and rosters (yes, rosters were factored into bonus for this cup) only give an additional boost to your scorination total - which, as has been seen, doesn't mean anything.

There appears to be a strong home ground advantage (which isn't a bad thing) in the scorinator. That could account for some of the controversial results. Perhaps the hosts could confirm?

Neither Legalese nor I modified the base formula for NationStates FootySim 2.0.1 in any way. Home advantage is present, but is probably not as significant as it seems.

Remember, all, it's about random numbers. Upsets happen. RP them well, and you get yourself a better chance of avoiding them next time around. It is also important to note where we are at this point - only halfway through the first half of qualifying. Teams still have 10 matches to play to make a comeback/hold on to their early advantage.

I would like to compliment the much lower amount of people pitching a major fit in the thread, compared to the number who would at any provocation.

Or, say, those who would do it in the scores thread. Nice to see that trend is down as well.

I would like to compliment the much lower amount of people pitching a major fit in the thread, compared to the number who would at any provocation.

Or, say, those who would do it in the scores thread. Nice to see that trend is down as well.

As one of the hosts, I must second this compliment. It's good to hear everyone being fairly civil about things, especially in the face of what have been an interesting first four matchdays.

As my co-host said, it's still quite early, and looking at the schedule, keep in mind that for some of the unexpected leaders, a majority of their opposition has been against teams they'd be an odds-on favorite (or small underdog) to beat. Once we get through matchday 7, we should have a clearer picture of everything.

Also, as may have been noticed in the RP thread, we have decided to alter the schedule, incorporating a few more off days into the finals (not to mention taking care of a RL deal that will keep me from scorinating on 9/29 and 30). If you have any questions, feel free to contact us :cool:

you think thats bad i havent won a home match 0-3 but i won my away ga,me

you think thats bad i havent won a home match 0-3 but i won my away ga,me

Did you see the team uniform I designed for you?

im sorry but the parental guidance features on my computer want let me see it and my dad works during the day and he is the master computer online thingy

im sorry but the parental guidance features on my computer want let me see it and my dad works during the day and he is the master computer online thingy
What do you mean it want let you?

im sorry but the parental guidance features on my computer want let me see it and my dad works during the day and he is the master computer online thingy

So the evil parental controls are blocking NS because it's an evil corrupting influence on the youth! All you need is the master password to turn it off! :p

im sorry but the parental guidance features on my computer want let me see it and my dad works during the day and he is the master computer online thingy

You can block pictures as a parental control.

Friendly requests: (I'll host, midquals)
-Cafundeu
-Prux
-Jeruselem

I accept your request, Sel. But you have to RP as if you were playing against a mixed National Team, as I have accepted a friendly request of Assegai Developments too (away too).

I'll post the line-ups for both friendlies in my RP for MD07.

If someone wants to play against me in Cafundéu, I'm ready to accept a challenge (but no more away games).

Archregimancy,

I've TG'd you with RP suggestion.

Regards.

Hosts,

I have 2 questions:

1. What's the world on two matchday breaks between games in the proper?

2. Could you score an Az-cz v Ariddia friendly in Ariddia at the same time as the match day 6 scores?

1. What's the world on two matchday breaks between games in the proper?

Due to RL issues the schedule is complicated. We've set MD1 and MD2 for the 7th and 8th, but have a day's rest before MD3 on the 10th. We'd have put MD1 on the 6th but Legal has issues scorinating on Friday nights.

There is then a four-day break before the second round/QF/SF/final. There are no planned breaks between these four rounds.


2. Could you score an Az-cz v Ariddia friendly in Ariddia at the same time as the match day 6 scores?

If you could telegram me, so I won't lose it, I'll remember to do it.

Its not like i couldnt get im to do it, but hes never home after school so i go to bed 1230ish he get home 11ish so he doesnt have the time

Due to RL issues the schedule is complicated. We've set MD1 and MD2 for the 7th and 8th, but have a day's rest before MD3 on the 10th. We'd have put MD1 on the 6th but Legal has issues scorinating on Friday nights.

That's not good in general, but might be acceptable, although it sucks for me, cause it sounds like the two matches are over the weekend, when I have the hardest time RPing.


There is then a four-day break before the second round/QF/SF/final. There are no planned breaks between these four rounds.

That however is horrible. A four day break is too long and no breaks is too short. Why can't you spread it out every other day? Doing it like that specifically defeats the purpose of having breaks, which is to allow people to be able to miss one day and still be able to RP every day.

That however is horrible. A four day break is too long and no breaks is too short. Why can't you spread it out every other day? Doing it like that specifically defeats the purpose of having breaks, which is to allow people to be able to miss one day and still be able to RP every day.

My apologies, I've got the wrong timetable down.

In my editing of the schedule I apparently missed listing the second round down for the 12th.

Tentatively,
12 - second rd
14 - QF
16 - SF
17 - 3PPO
18 - Final

Would that be doable?

(correction made by Adihan, so redacted)

this schedule is, barring unforseen circumstances, final. Frankly, Az, while your concerns are noted, it's our job to determine the schedule we feel works best. While it took us a bit more communication to get there, this is the one we feel does so. The complaint department is 500 miles that way *points* :p

Hosts,

Thanks for the work. As LE posted that schedule is fine by me. The only place that doesn't allow for two day breaks is between the SF and 3PPO which to me isn't a big deal. It hits two day breaks for all the other ones. And while I do think it's unfortunate to have two first round games on back to back days, that's seemingly unavoidable, so....

Sel Appa, I'd be honored to try to kick your butt. LoL

Archregimancy,

I've TG'd you with RP suggestion.

Regards.

Replied to by TG!

Sel Appa, I'd be honored to try to kick your butt. LoL

Hey, are you Australian - just wondering?

Jeru, for my next RP, with your permission, I'm going to reveal some of why Coach Fowler hates Jeruselem, even though he was born there, but it involves Kate Dallas in a way that the Princess might not like, so may i use her w/ your permission?

(I know I said I wouldn't write in here until after the Cup, but this is somewhat improtant, and may be faster than a TG)

Replied to by TG!

Another TG!

Jeru, for my next RP, with your permission, I'm going to reveal some of why Coach Fowler hates Jeruselem, even though he was born there, but it involves Kate Dallas in a way that the Princess might not like, so may i use her w/ your permission?

(I know I said I wouldn't write in here until after the Cup, but this is somewhat improtant, and may be faster than a TG)

Yeah go ahead. I assume it's "indecent" in some way.

Yeah go ahead.

Thank you, I promise it's not too bad, it will explain why he wasn't on the team.

Thank you, I promise it's not too bad, it will explain why he wasn't on the team.

Dallas = Drama :D

Dallas = Drama :D

True... I'd like to hear what Princess Kate's recation is as well, once I write it.

Monastic Mania!

Well done Erri :p

Monastic Mania!

Well done Erri :p

Thanks.

The execution could have been better. Now I know why the monks don't allow women at their home games. And we all thought it was because they were wowsers.

Dallas = Drama :D

What? J.R. died? :p *blames boredom for remembering such things*

I accept your request, Sel. But you have to RP as if you were playing against a mixed National Team, as I have accepted a friendly request of Assegai Developments too (away too).

I'll post the line-ups for both friendlies in my RP for MD07.

If someone wants to play against me in Cafundéu, I'm ready to accept a challenge (but no more away games).

Could you clarify this...or if you want us to come to Cafundeu, it's fine. I just put me hosting so we wouldn't waste posts deciding who hosts.

Hey, are you Australian - just wondering?

Did you ever have that RP about the Cabbage? I haven't seen it...then again, I didn't really look.

Does anyone want to play St Samuel in a friendly. Don't mind if it's home or away.

Does anyone want to play St Samuel in a friendly. Don't mind if it's home or away.

Sure why not. I'll host I guess...

Did you ever have that RP about the Cabbage? I haven't seen it...then again, I didn't really look.

No, I didn't. Not yet anyway ;)

Could you clarify this...or if you want us to come to Cafundeu, it's fine. I just put me hosting so we wouldn't waste posts deciding who hosts.

I just said that, as I'll play a friendly against Assegai in the same matchday as the one against you, I'll post two different line-ups in the RP thread before the scorination of the friendlies, one for the game against you, and other for the game against Assegai.

I'd prefer to host this one. So, Cafundéu against Sel Appa at Cafundéu.

I just said that, as I'll play a friendly against Assegai in the same matchday as the one against you, I'll post two different line-ups in the RP thread before the scorination of the friendlies, one for the game against you, and other for the game against Assegai.

I'd prefer to host this one. So, Cafundéu against Sel Appa at Cafundéu.

ok, no problem. :)

ill play st samuel

Hey Caf you don't have to follow my RP in terms of who played if you don't want too.

The Milchamian press is historically terribly inaccurate and littered with factual inaccuracies. So for all we know Souza didn't play but we said he did anyway.

If you don't believe us ask Baza... yeh warewolves!

Those of you who read the RP thread in the last 30 minutes....

My little double post / separate AIF account drama has been resolved. Apologies for any inconvenience caused.

Errinundera;13065387']Please ignore - this is a test to see if I can delete posts by [NS]Errinundera.

As "Errinundera" you can't but as "[NS]Errinundera" you can.

I've got "Bazalonia" and "[NS]Bazalonia" and have had them for a while though I always use Bazalonia.

Adihan sure makes a lot of weird "cut" jokes :p

Adihan sure makes a lot of weird "cut" jokes :p

Naw, that's Novapsolu. I felt left out so I did my own this matchday ;)

EDIT: And I just realised I'm on the wrong nation here. Heh.

Jeru, that was about a 180 from where i was going with it, but i can deal with it later.

also it was sorta nice that Candelaria And Marquez picked up on it and used it rather well for their last RP.

(Just blame me now for all the stalker copy-cat RPs for the rest of this Cup)

Hey, are you Australian - just wondering?

No I'm not, I'm an American.

Jeru, that was about a 180 from where i was going with it, but i can deal with it later.

also it was sorta nice that Candelaria And Marquez picked up on it and used it rather well for their last RP.

(Just blame me now for all the stalker copy-cat RPs for the rest of this Cup)

Sorry about that! I just wanted to express the weaker side of Kate Dallas - the insecure side of Dallas girl. It's only Kate's opinion, and being a Dallas - probably totally overexaggerated.

What? J.R. died? :p *blames boredom for remembering such things*

LOL Oli got the Devil's Post.

What? J.R. died? :p *blames boredom for remembering such things*
No, but R.J. died.

Spaam,

Dance 2 Revolution's button flag is coming up as the default - the Oz aboriginal flag. Their current flag is Korea's. Are you able to help?

Thanks. Errinundera.

experiment- test the "myth" of the RP bonus

controls- no roster, no RP postings of any way shape or form

current status of experiment- 4-0-1, leads group, best start ever.

further study required....

query- shall post here alter the control status of the experiment?

Done. Whenever you need a flag reloaded, just go to http://spaam.info/flags and just click the reload box.

Done. Whenever you need a flag reloaded, just go to http://spaam.info/flags and just click the reload box.

Well, I'll be hornswoggled.

Thanks.

Hosts,

Could you update the roster links on the first post of the RP page? Thanks.

Well, I'll be hornswoggled.

Thanks.

You're Mr. McMahon's "kid"?

...sorry for wrestling :P (please note the "'s to exemplify that I am aware it's all storylined, not that I watch it anymore anyway)

No, but R.J. died.Yeah, but his real initials were J. R.

Edit: Great parodies, Archregimancy/Errinundera. :D

Hosts,

Could you update the roster links on the first post of the RP page? Thanks.

Ad'ihan, as the author of the RP thread post, will have to do it, which I'll ask him to do as soon as he can get to it.

LOL Oli got the Devil's Post.

Fits him well...

My international move from Australia back to the UK is now imminent (the movers come tomorrow), so my RPs are going to go down in both quantity and quality over the next couple of weeks at least, though on current evidence that'll make bugger-all difference to scorination anyway. In fact, I look forward to racing to the top of the table during my period of forced occasional activity.

I'm just about to go and set my nations to 'vacation mode' in NS proper as well, but if they do temporarily go dormant, I do plan to revive them ASAP.

My international move from Australia back to the UK is now imminent (the movers come tomorrow), so my RPs are going to go down in both quantity and quality over the next couple of weeks at least, though on current evidence that'll make bugger-all difference to scorination anyway. In fact, I look forward to racing to the top of the table during my period of forced occasional activity.

I'm just about to go and set my nations to 'vacation mode' in NS proper as well, but if they do temporarily go dormant, I do plan to revive them ASAP.

Hope it's a safe trip. :)

My international move from Australia back to the UK is now imminent

Who will tell me how to scam my way through Australian customs now? :(

My international move from Australia back to the UK is now imminent (the movers come tomorrow), so my RPs are going to go down in both quantity and quality over the next couple of weeks at least, though on current evidence that'll make bugger-all difference to scorination anyway. In fact, I look forward to racing to the top of the table during my period of forced occasional activity.

I'm just about to go and set my nations to 'vacation mode' in NS proper as well, but if they do temporarily go dormant, I do plan to revive them ASAP.

Oh well. For a while Thornbury was the capital of NationStates World Cup RPers.

Who will tell me how to scam my way through Australian customs now? :(

Ask the prez :p

Oh well. For a while Thornbury was the capital of NationStates World Cup RPers.

And until tomorrow morning at 10:00am it still is!

I don't suppose any out there is based in east Hertfordshire / Bishop's Stortford?

Ask the prez :p

That's assuming I've ever been through Australian Customs

Which I haven't

HOST ANNOUNCEMENT
05:25 UTC, Thursday September 20, 2007

Due to real-life issues, followed by Jolt downtime, Matchday 7 and the mid-cup friendly break have been swapped. Today will act as the mid-cup friendly break, with matchday 7 tomorrow (21 September UTC), and no change to the schedule following.

HOST ANNOUNCEMENT
05:25 UTC, Thursday September 20, 2007

Due to real-life issues, followed by Jolt downtime, Matchday 7 and the mid-cup friendly break have been swapped. Today will act as the mid-cup friendly break, with matchday 7 tomorrow (21 September UTC), and no change to the schedule following.

Ugh, but nothing you can do about it. so why complain (yes i said that... must be that mind-altering substance i had earlier)

As an addendum to Adihan's post, I will take the blame on both counts. The delay in scorination was originally recommended on my part, as a very unexpected RL event prevented me from being able to do so on a more timely manner. With the problems with Jolt, it was jointly decided that it made more sense to delay MD7 by a day, moving the mid cup festivities to today.

On a separate note, the playoff draw (i.e. which group's #3 seed will play which) is complete, and will be released at the RP cutoff (which I will make in a timely manner) tomorrow.

Again, I thank you for your patience, and offer my sincerest apologies for the one-day delay.

Who will tell me how to scam my way through Australian customs now? :(

That's OK, Cas, I won't completely abandon you - by my count I've visited about 40 different countries on 5 different continents, so unless you need advice about South America, I can probably help somewhere*. Why, just two years ago I managed to get several bottles of wine through Hong Kong without paying any duty, despite the fact that.... I'm not boring anyone, am I?


This post in no way endorses breaking the laws of any state or territory, he adds for the benefit of anyone perusing the net for illegal activity

I know this is the NS WCDT, rather than an RL one, but Mourinho's left Chelsea? Bloody hell!

I know this is the NS WCDT, rather than an RL one, but Mourinho's left Chelsea? Bloody hell!

Yeah, look what he's won for Chelsea so far! Brilliant but flawed coach. I guess having a crazy Russian boss isn't easy.

My international move from Australia back to the UK is now imminent (the movers come tomorrow), so my RPs are going to go down in both quantity and quality over the next couple of weeks at least, though on current evidence that'll make bugger-all difference to scorination anyway. In fact, I look forward to racing to the top of the table during my period of forced occasional activity.

I'm just about to go and set my nations to 'vacation mode' in NS proper as well, but if they do temporarily go dormant, I do plan to revive them ASAP.
Good luck! Sorry to see you go.

Done. Whenever you need a flag reloaded, just go to http://spaam.info/flags and just click the reload box.

strange, I have different flag in NS and show different in this page!

strange, I have different flag in NS and show different in this page!
upss now is ok. i fixed :)

That's OK, Cas, I won't completely abandon you - by my count I've visited about 40 different countries on 5 different continents, so unless you need advice about South America, I can probably help somewhere*. Why, just two years ago I managed to get several bottles of wine through Hong Kong without paying any duty, despite the fact that.... I'm not boring anyone, am I?[/SIZE]

Hmm, now I need to actually have a plan to smuggle something someplace.

I know this is the NS WCDT, rather than an RL one, but Mourinho's left Chelsea? Bloody hell!

Sorry just had to mention that now I'm not sure I can unconditionally hate Chelski anymore because they have an Isreali manager. I hate Jewish owners they always higher Jews.

Sorry just had to mention that now I'm not sure I can unconditionally hate Chelski anymore because they have an Isreali manager. I hate Jewish owners they always higher Jews.

Aren't you Jewish?

Aren't you Jewish?

Yes, hence why he can't unconditionally hate them anymore

Yes, hence why he can't unconditionally hate them anymore

Starting to sound like Quak! :D

Seing as we have a bid for the CoH, I am going to officially close bids to host the CoH the 2nd last day of the World Cup, once MD12 has been scorinated I will no longer accept any more bids. If the current bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537361) is the only bid then the Cup of Harmony will procede with the hosts being Qutar-Bostopia

Also on a related note, would anyone have any objection to Miceland hosting the BoF?

Only if Miceland doesn't participate, since it would raise some suspicions if the Host of the BoF was also a competitior.

(Damn Jolt Time Slips)

Seing as we have a bid for the CoH, I am going to officially close bids to host the CoH the 2nd last day of the World Cup, once MD12 has been scorinated I will no longer accept any more bids. If the current bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537361) is the only bid then the Cup of Harmony will procede with the hosts being Qutar-Bostopia

Also on a related note, would anyone have any objection to Miceland hosting the BoF?

Only if Miceland doesn't participate, since it would raise some suspicions if the Host of the BoF was also a competitior.

(Damn Jolt Time Slips)

Well, Miceland can't they now have a KPB...

Well, Miceland can't they now have a KPB...

true, but if they didn't then it could, at least to some people i think.

But since i don't have a puppet eligible it's not my problem.

What is going on!

Jeru FC 2-1 The Archregimancy
Jeruselem 1-1 Miamoria

experiment continues: no posting of any sort.
record 5-1-0.

to test non-RP bonus, RP post is made.
result
Ulzaxid 6-3 Tynelia

original hypothesis appears to be confirmed, further study needed for additional data

experiment continues: no posting of any sort.
record 5-1-0.

to test non-RP bonus, RP post is made.
result
Ulzaxid 6-3 Tynelia

original hypothesis appears to be confirmed, further study needed for additional data

Shoulda just kept your yap shut, that way Mararget can't bite your butt...lol

Shoulda just kept your yap shut, that way Mararget can't bite your butt...lol

Oi, read TGs!

Prux, please adhere to the RP permissions box, where I clearly state not to choose my scorers.

Prux, please adhere to the RP permissions box, where I clearly state not to choose my scorers.

ESF, I'm sorry, I didn't see it on your roster post (didn't scroll down far enough), I'll try to pay better attention next time.

So a 1-3-3 record for a BoF champion is normal in their first Cup?

Heck i'm surprised i even got a win at all.

PRUX, don't take any carp from ESF... :p

J/K by the way ESF.

I liked Audioslavia's Rp about Prux, that was very trippy.

I was 5-2-5 in my first WC after winning the BoF... But I was really lucky...

Also on a related note, would anyone have any objection to Miceland hosting the BoF?

Not an objection, but has no-one else offered?

Not an objection, but has no-one else offered?

Not as yet, I am still however very open to Miceland being challenged to host the BoF, If you wish to do so please get in contact with me via TG, IRC, MSN, or through this thread and I will put BoF hosting bids before the EWCC for a vote as appropriate and stated by WCC laws.

So a 1-3-3 record for a BoF champion is normal in their first Cup?

Heck i'm surprised i even got a win at all.

Honestly I'd call that just slightly on the low side, I'd expect many BoF champions to be able to pick up two wins by now. And I managed to pick up 7 wins out of 16 last cup without coming anywhere near winning the BoF.

Granted, I'm paying for that now. Say, does anyone know of a recorded instance of a nation's ranking falling in its second cup when it *does* participate? :p

I believe I offered, if I remember correctly. And I should, because I only had a few drinks.

Starting to sound like Quak! :D

explain please :P

Yes, hence why he can't unconditionally hate them anymore

Oh typo in his post said can instead of can't.

Seing as we have a bid for the CoH, I am going to officially close bids to host the CoH the 2nd last day of the World Cup, once MD12 has been scorinated I will no longer accept any more bids. If the current bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537361) is the only bid then the Cup of Harmony will procede with the hosts being Qutar-Bostopia

Also on a related note, would anyone have any objection to Miceland hosting the BoF?
I hereby endorse Q-Topia.
I object on the grounds that Sel Appa wishes to bid again for the BoF.

ESF, I'm sorry, I didn't see it on your roster post (didn't scroll down far enough), I'll try to pay better attention next time.

So a 1-3-3 record for a BoF champion is normal in their first Cup?

Heck i'm surprised i even got a win at all.

Maybe you RP too much... :p

Seing as we have a bid for the CoH, I am going to officially close bids to host the CoH the 2nd last day of the World Cup, once MD12 has been scorinated I will no longer accept any more bids. If the current bid (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=537361) is the only bid then the Cup of Harmony will procede with the hosts being Qutar-Bostopia

Um...I'm currently pointing at the bit of Legislation for the WC that I wrote...:p

Uiri, nicely done. I think you're almost the first person to mention in your RP your players having to cope with the implications of Ariddia's moneyless society. (I seem to recall Erri doing it once too.)

Well, it's a very good contrast with the very very privatised Uiri. I think the similarities are close enough that citizens can relate but far enough that they have their own identity. Not to mention it gives an excuse for Kilod to let in two goals ;)

Uiri, nicely done. I think you're almost the first person to mention in your RP your players having to cope with the implications of Ariddia's moneyless society. (I seem to recall Erri doing it once too.)

You don't have money? How does that work?

You don't have money? How does that work?

Ask the wiki (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Ariddian_economy) and all shall be revealed. (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Ariddian_Credit) ;) Ariddian society today is fairly similar to what it was in pre-colonial times (and still is for many Wymgani) (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Wymgani#Culture_.26_traditional_society). See also "Public companies in Ariddia" (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Public_companies_in_Ariddia).

Uiri, nicely done. I think you're almost the first person to mention in your RP your players having to cope with the implications of Ariddia's moneyless society. (I seem to recall Erri doing it once too.)

Read it here: SO FAR AWAY SO CLOSE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11810852&postcount=37)

I don't RP and I win 6-0 away ... weird :confused:

Oh Quak, that was reference to some comments you made on old NS WCDT about finding something to hate!

I don't RP and I win 6-0 away ... weird :confused:

Oh Quak, that was reference to some comments you made on old NS WCDT about finding something to hate!

Methinks the hosts are counting RPs backwards...

and as an addendum to the below:

While I will not reveal the specifics of the RP bonus, I will say that the lack of RPing today, coupled with a further decreasing influence of the first few days worth of RPing, led to a majority of teams relying on the RP bonus less this time around, as opposed to other matches, though there were exceptions.

Methinks the hosts are counting RPs backwards...

Methinks the odds were already in Jeru's favor, and that RPing would have not been a major factor in this.

I know this point should need not to be labored over again, but still, allow me to say:

RPing does in no way guarantee victory. Like KPB ranks, all it does is help improve your odds of scoring.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled commenting

Of course RPing doesn't guarantee victory. Just some people hope for a greater amount of positive correlation.

Hosts,

Good idea with giving the magical numbers for the teams. One question, are they totally accurate (taking into account schedules and tiebreakers) or just roughly accurate (looking just at the number of games)? It's no problem if they're just the estimates, because I know how hard it is to actually calculate the real ones. Just wondering.

I second Az-cz's comments - great idea.

It's actually easier for the top sides to qualify than your calc's suggest.

Matchday 8

Group 1
Nebuleux 1-5 Errinundera
Integrite 1-1 The Archregimancy
Delesa 1-2 Quakmybush
Jeru FC 1-3 Dance 2 Revolution


Pos Team P W D L GF GA GD Pts
1 Errinundera 8 7 1 0 32 9 23 22
2 Quakmybush 8 3 4 1 14 11 3 13
3 Dance 2 Revolution 8 3 4 1 16 16 0 13
4 The Archregimancy 8 2 5 1 15 10 5 11
5 Jeru FC 8 3 1 4 14 14 0 10
6 Integrite 8 1 3 4 6 11 -5 6
7 Delesa 8 1 3 4 7 18 -11 6
8 Nebuleux 8 0 3 5 10 25 -15 3

Qualification # for Errinundera: 10
For Quak & D2R: 19
Playoff # for Erri: 8
Playoff # for Quak & D2R: 17

<Snip>



To qualify Errinundera must finish ahead of the 3rd placed team (obviously). Quakmybush and Dance 2 Revolution cannot both win all six games because they still have to play each other. That means the most the the 3rd placed team can get is 16 points (if they draw), not 18. Thus Errinundera only needs 8 points to guarantee qualification.

Mind you, calculating all the possible permutations for every group would be extremely time consuming.

Aye, any more than two days of games trying to determine all of those situations is far to difficult. And from personal experience, if you get one wrong, you get to listen to people bitch about it in the Discussion Thread.

The Magic numbers did not take into account situations such as the one Erri mentioned above, in which his number is guaranteed to go down by at least 2 when they play, mainly for the reason that those factors usually don't come into effect when doing Magic numbers. For those of you who had not heard of the concept, it's one usually used in baseball, and at a point where you don't have an intermediary team involved (in Erri's case, whoever goes higher on the Quak/D2R battle for 2nd). So, to answer the question, it's the number that, after taking what has happened already, and adding the most that a team could possibly gain, is accurate.

Either way, I hope you guys enjoy it as an extra little function. If I'm around when Ad'ihan does MD9/10, I may try to update them afterwards. :)

Jeru FC could still qualify, if they get a few more wins! Rather amusing that. :)

As an aside to my RP, what would you guys says is the worst qualification collapse in WC history?

I was just wondering, why do the world cup champs not automatically qualify for the world cup?

I was just wondering, why do the world cup champs not automatically qualify for the world cup?

Used to. But we stopped it. It doesn't happen IRL anymore anyway, so I don't see why we should differ in that respect, since the finals format follows the RL one.