NationStates Jolt Archive

Not to be outdone by the Germans the French have launched their own expedition for the North Pole. The specially designed ship the SS Victoire, along with a supply ship, has set sail from Calais. The Victoire carries a plane to enable long-range exploration and has a crew of twenty, plus expedition personell of thirty. The expedition plans to use skis, sleds, and a specially cold-weather equipped plane to find and reach the North Pole. The expedition is headed up by Captain Alexandre Delven of the French navy, an experienced officer who ahs worked in the Artic waters before.

Message from the Albanian Government

The Albanian Government would suggests that the confrence, if it is held, take place in Tirana. Albania was after all the nation which Russia threatened to destroy for no real reason, and we are not about to forget that!
For no real reason? Man, you need an attitude adjustment.

You have threatened Albania with invasion twice in the last year! And since I had no intention of inviting Italian troops onto Albanian soil, Russia's threats in the end accomplished nothing and almost caused a world war (if you don't believe me, fine).

I don't believe you, as a matter of fact. I don't really see how your "alliance" with Italy is supposed to work at all (not that I care) without Italian forces being allowed on your soil, but you ended up conceding that to me quite nicely. I had offered you, as you don't seem to recall, anything you wanted in exchange for that assurance, but in the end all I had to do was threaten you.
Who's the fool?

I did not concede anything, only rephrased existing policy so Russia would no longer find it threatening. As for how the Italian defensive alliance is supposed to work, it serves its purpose quite nicely by being in existence (something called security, you may of heard of it). As for anything I wanted, Russia had nothing that would help me meet my goals.

For no real reason? Man, you need an attitude adjustment.

And I made those remarks while in character... I don't insult you for every revolutionary "down with the capitalist pig-dog" statement you put out daily.

OOC:

From what I understand so far...

Albania and Italy signed a defensive alliance, which means that if Albania is attacked, then Italy will declare war on whoever attacks Albania, then send troops and such to help Albania defend. The vice versa is also true- if Italy is attacked, Albania will lend support both politically and military.

Hope I got that correct.

OOC:

Thats the very definition of a defensive alliance...

And I made those remarks while in character... I don't insult you for every revolutionary "down with the capitalist pig-dog" statement you put out daily.

your post says that it is out of character.

As to the conference Yugoslavia will gladly send a representative, as it's position puts it on the front lines in any European war.

Can I be the vatican ( if I can be please send The nomadic peoples of Syddhartha a telegram)

Send a TG to Hrstrovokia

I am confused.

Lesser Ribenia (Britain) has said that he is mobilizing troops in Tibet. However, I've been led to believe that Tibet isn't a British province as it is either a part of China, or an independent state like Siam. Do you guys recall the whole Bhutan / Tibet / Nepal discussion from last week (or the week before)?

I'd like some clarification on this. :)

Tibet and Mongolia (both Inner and Outer, pace Galveston Bay) are both part of China. The various events that separated those territories from Qing suzerainty were all post-1900, and none have specifically occurred in this timeline.
The Chinese had authority over Nepal and Bhutan on and off from 1720 to the mid-nineteenth century, but they had not had any formal presence in either country as of the start of 1900, and both countries were more oriented towards the British, though both were independent and had relations with China as well. Again, nothing specifically has occurred to change any of this.
This ruling may be taken as final.

President Steps Down: Elections next month

President Madero has announced his resignation after the Galapagos Islands debacle destroyed his majority in parliament. Sources inside Mexico city claim that Madero has surrered a nervous breakdown after the absurd attempt to start a Mexican empire in the Pacific. The Presidents party, the Democratic Mexican Peoples Party has lost support over the last few months, and is expected to lose the next election, which has been called next month.

The right wing, ultra conservative Mexican National Party is now expected to gain power, their leader, ex-General Francisco von Baden (A Mexican of German origin) today told us that if elected he would "Sweep the red sceptre of socialism away from Mexico as one would dispose of a particularly annoying insect". He also said that he would try to repair the damage done to Mexicans reputation by the previous government, and that he would try to improve foreign relations.

Right sirry guys, I must have got tibet mixed up with Nepal in that message, will change it right away. Particularly embarrassing considering that I cotrol the territories thread!

what year is this???

1921

is egypt taken yet???

not to my knowledge, TG Hrstrovokia if you're interested

not to my knowledge, TG Hrstrovokia if you're interested
im sorry but im new to the game, but whats TG Hrstrovokia??

send a Telegram (instant message) to the nation of Hrstrovokia

OoC
Alright, I just got back from work. It looks like WWII hasn't started, yet, which is good because it gives me the opportunity to revise my position.
Russia will not invade anybody. I would have made that clear originally if the crisis hadn't emerged fifteen minutes before I had to leave for the day which therefore didn't give me any time to really consider my response.

IC
Russia will defend German territory if the latter is attacked, but we cannot support an aggressive action in this circumstance. While we protest the gratutitous and insulting American decision to cease trading helium to Germany, we do not feel that this is a critical interest meeting the basic standards of a casus belli. Hydrogen is a superior gas for use in dirigibles in many respects anyway. In any event, as even the Supreme Council must admit, the German response seems to justify American mistrust.
We feel the Paris Conference should go forward. Even though the Albanian crisis has passed, it remains far too easy to resort to warfare, and for the safety of mankind, the Supreme Council feels that some security arrangements between the world's armed and hostile camps should be sought. If France will not host it, we may propose Petrograd as host city, and we would invite the United States, Great Britain, Germany, France, China, Japan, the Ottomans, Italy, Spain, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Albania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Romania, and other representatives other countries as well.
The world has become too dangerous. For the sake of civilization, we hope this call for peace does not go unheeded.


We must have peace now, the world and its economy is in a fragile enough state as it is. War now would cripple even the largest and most developed countries. We will gladly send a representative.

Telegram From Chaim Weizmann to Russia

For what it is worth we would like to join in this national confrence, we would like to avoid a war which could end this nation before it has even began, has any clear location been alocated for this confrence?

Heh. We'll be at odds then, as China has interests in Siam / Thailand. :p

Well, Korea just wants to expand some. Barring that, we could always let you have Siam and go for somewhere else in Asia.

IC:

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The Grand Duchy of Burgundy is very friendly to the proposal of a global conference to ease tensions the world over. Should such a summit occur, we humbly suggest to the States of the International Community that the Grand Duchy be location for it, as our very state is defined by peace and neutrality.

IC:

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The Grand Duchy of Burgundy is very friendly to the proposal of a global conference to ease tensions the world over. Should such a summit occur, we humbly suggest to the States of the International Community that the Grand Duchy be location for it, as our very state is defined by peace and neutrality.
Russia will support that choice. Indeed it is an advisable one, given Burgundy's mandate of neutrality.

Russia will support that choice. Indeed it is an advisable one, given Burgundy's mandate of neutrality.

the government of the United States also feels that Burgundy, specifically the ancient city of Metz, would be an ideal location.

The new Mexican government would be honoured to send a representative.

Message from the Albanian Government

The Albanian Government will attend the confrence if held at Burgundy.

Galveston Bay, telegram...

Germany will postpone any operations in light of the call for a conference in Metz. We will also send a delegate. (Phew! I need to organize my army too :p)

Parthini']Germany will postpone any operations in light of the call for a conference in Metz. We will also send a delegate. (Phew! I need to organize my army too :p)
Jubilee.

VP, I sent you a tg.

Argentina will send a representative as well.

ooc: when will these talks will be held?

South Africa will send a representative if invited, otherwise we will abide by Britain's decision concerning this conference.

Err...

Has the thing progressed far enough so that I can be Panama?

Panama is still part of Colombia in this time-line, and it's possibility of independence is roughly zero (The revolution was only possible with American support, in this time-line Colombia and the U.S.A. are firm allies).

We will also send a representative, but I guess its kinda taken from my earlier post that we would anyway. meh. :p

Korea will send a representative to any conference in Metz.

Tibet and Mongolia (both Inner and Outer, pace Galveston Bay) are both part of China. The various events that separated those territories from Qing suzerainty were all post-1900, and none have specifically occurred in this timeline.
The Chinese had authority over Nepal and Bhutan on and off from 1720 to the mid-nineteenth century, but they had not had any formal presence in either country as of the start of 1900, and both countries were more oriented towards the British, though both were independent and had relations with China as well. Again, nothing specifically has occurred to change any of this.
This ruling may be taken as final.

Thanks, VP. I appreciate you resolving this confusing issue once and for all.

By the way, China will be sending a delegate to the conference, as China is finally one of the "major players" of the international community instead of a backwaters one like it was in RL until 1950's onwards.

Panama is still part of Colombia in this time-line, and it's possibility of independence is roughly zero (The revolution was only possible with American support, in this time-line Colombia and the U.S.A. are firm allies).

Erm, as a person who lives in Panama I can correct you to say that a SUCESSFUL revolution was only possible with American support :D

Hmm...Thinking of countries, thinking of countries...

IDEA!

Could I, err, play India? I know it's still part of Great Britain back then and all, but (and I've read heavily on the subject, BTW), in the Early 1900's the Indians had more and more home rule. Or I could play a bunch of disgruntled Indians.

You'll have to TG Hrstrovokia with that, he's the deciding factor when it comes to these things.

is the coference set to begin? Everyone that matters i think has chimed in so i think we can all go to Burgandy and get peaceful/brutal

Erm, as a person who lives in Panama I can correct you to say that a SUCESSFUL revolution was only possible with American support :D

Hmm...Thinking of countries, thinking of countries...

IDEA!

Could I, err, play India? I know it's still part of Great Britain back then and all, but (and I've read heavily on the subject, BTW), in the Early 1900's the Indians had more and more home rule. Or I could play a bunch of disgruntled Indians.

An India player would be quite interesting to have. :)

Erm, as a person who lives in Panama I can correct you to say that a SUCESSFUL revolution was only possible with American support :D


An unsucessful revolution is called a revolt.


Hmm...Thinking of countries, thinking of countries...

IDEA!

Could I, err, play India? I know it's still part of Great Britain back then and all, but (and I've read heavily on the subject, BTW), in the Early 1900's the Indians had more and more home rule. Or I could play a bunch of disgruntled Indians.

That would be great, we need someone to play the Indian Independence movement.

Yeah man! I heard there were a lot of communists in India!

Parthini']Yeah man! I heard there were a lot of communists in India!

Are you kidding? In Real Life the Indian communist party is considered a mainstream group which is a central part of the current governments coalition.

Yeah uh... I wouldn't even try to be panama. I would kill every citizen of Panama to avoid losing that canal.

Yeah uh... I wouldn't even try to be panama. I would kill every citizen of Panama to avoid losing that canal.

Heh. There's always the possibility of building a 2nd canal or more.

(Runs before Artitsa can throw objects, and therefore avoiding bodily harm from Artitsa) :p

Yeah uh... I wouldn't even try to be panama. I would kill every citizen of Panama to avoid losing that canal.

You would TRY to kill all the Panamanians.

Seriously, this country has so many mountains and such dense forest it's SCARY. There's like a bajillion places to hide >_> <_<

You would TRY to kill all the Panamanians.

Seriously, this country has so many mountains and such dense forest it's SCARY. There's like a bajillion places to hide >_> <_<

Tons of mustard gas. ;)

IC:

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The Grand Duchy of Burgundy is very friendly to the proposal of a global conference to ease tensions the world over. Should such a summit occur, we humbly suggest to the States of the International Community that the Grand Duchy be location for it, as our very state is defined by peace and neutrality.


Japan shall send a represenitive

I have a few questions.

First, I'm not quite sure what kind of bombs or "air-to-ground" weapons my C-9 Yang monoplane can employ. I've been thinking of dropping dynamite or nitroglycerin type of bombs onto enemy targets. Or is that too impratical? If so, what type of bomb or attack weapons should my C-9 Yang carry (other than the machine guns)?

Second, does China have the industrial, economic, and resource potential to construct several Zeppelins? If so, what types of roles should my Zeppelins do? Scouting? Passenger flights? Bomber roles? Freight duty? Or what?

Third, I'd like to know how I can improve my Naval crew experience to standard levels- as in German, USA, Britain, France, etc. levels of quality and experience? I believe by 1922, my first batches of patrol boats, destroyers, and perhaps a few cruisers will be completed.

Fourth, what kind of stuff can China have in terms of submarines? I know the limit is 100 subs, but what are the general capabilities of subs between 1920 - 1930? How many subs will I be able to build per year?

Fifth, will China be able to build an aircraft carrier or two? I want to build a couple for China's planned attack on the Dutch East Indies by 1924 or 1925.

Finally, how many shipyards can China build within the next 5 years, and what type of capacity shipyards (50k, 75k, 100k, etc.) I'd like to know, because if I build some more, I can somewhat accelerate my naval build-up, hopefully in time for WW 2 (as it seems likely to happen by 1925, if not earlier).


I apologize for all these questions, but I want to try my best to have a realistic Chinese military and industry, and not end up wanking or going overboard. :)

I have a few questions.

First, I'm not quite sure what kind of bombs or "air-to-ground" weapons my C-9 Yang monoplane can employ. I've been thinking of dropping dynamite or nitroglycerin type of bombs onto enemy targets. Or is that too impratical? If so, what type of bomb or attack weapons should my C-9 Yang carry (other than the machine guns)?

Bombs, just bombs... the biggest bombs usually carried are 50, 100 or 250 kilograms, with a very few exceptions, and are strait TNT High Explosive at this point.

Second, does China have the industrial, economic, and resource potential to construct several Zeppelins? If so, what types of roles should my Zeppelins do? Scouting? Passenger flights? Bomber roles? Freight duty? Or what?

I would say that you can build Zeppelins, but like everyone but the Germans, they crash a lot... usually after a dozen flights or less. The Germans just seemed to have the knack for Zeppelins. Blimps however, are much simplier, more reliable, and cheaper, and therefore easier to deal with, and they are slow, but have good range, and are decent for patrol missions, but not large enough for anything more useful.

Third, I'd like to know how I can improve my Naval crew experience to standard levels- as in German, USA, Britain, France, etc. levels of quality and experience? I believe by 1922, my first batches of patrol boats, destroyers, and perhaps a few cruisers will be completed. [/QUOTE

Wait for time to pass, and have your fleet do manuevers a lot. However, that is expensive, and trying to build both a big navy and an experienced navy will quickly affect your economic growth.


[QUOTE=Sharina]Fourth, what kind of stuff can China have in terms of submarines? I know the limit is 100 subs, but what are the general capabilities of subs between 1920 - 1930? How many subs will I be able to build per year?

Coastal submarines (which should be what you build the first five years of construction) have only enough range to defend the port areas they are based in. Second generation models built years 5 - 10 have enough range to patrol the East and South China Sea, and reach the Japanese, Malayan and Vietnamese coast and Luzon and Borneo. Third generation submarines, years 11-15 can reach anywhere in the Western Pacific, or Bay of Bengal. Truly long range submarines able to reach Hawaii, Australia or into the Indian Ocean are further off. I would say you can only build and actually man with a crew safe enough to operate the vessel about 5 submarines a year at this point. Limitation has more to do with general experience levels than ability to consctruct the boats.


Fifth, will China be able to build an aircraft carrier or two? I want to build a couple for China's planned attack on the Dutch East Indies by 1924 or 1925.

aircraft carriers require more trained technical personnel than any other warship except for submarines and for more than even a battleship and trained airgroups are much harder. I would say no Chinese carriers just yet.


Finally, how many shipyards can China build within the next 5 years, and what type of capacity shipyards (50k, 75k, 100k, etc.) I'd like to know, because if I build some more, I can somewhat accelerate my naval build-up, hopefully in time for WW 2 (as it seems likely to happen by 1925, if not earlier).

one shipyard per major port city at this time... Tientsin, Tsingtao, Shanghai, Canton being the principal ports

Bombs, just bombs... the biggest bombs usually carried are 50, 100 or 250 kilograms, with a very few exceptions, and are strait TNT High Explosive at this point.

Okay, that will do. My C-9 Yang has light racks capable of dropping 10 - 50 pounds worth of bombs. I think thats somewhere between 25 - 100 kilograms I believe, as 1 kilogram is roughly 2 pounds.

I would say that you can build Zeppelins, but like everyone but the Germans, they crash a lot... usually after a dozen flights or less. The Germans just seemed to have the knack for Zeppelins. Blimps however, are much simplier, more reliable, and cheaper, and therefore easier to deal with, and they are slow, but have good range, and are decent for patrol missions, but not large enough for anything more useful.

I'm allied to Germany, and he already offered to build Zeppelins for me, I believe. This should enable China to build German quality Zeppelins as Germany is helping China build them. I may be wrong though.

Wait for time to pass, and have your fleet do manuevers a lot. However, that is expensive, and trying to build both a big navy and an experienced navy will quickly affect your economic growth.

Right now, I'm only going for coastal defense, as Japan withdrew from the alliance, which can only mean one thing. Japan may be planning to sneak-attack China, hence the need for coastal defense Navy.

Are there any alternative than manuevers? Perhaps a Naval College, Academy, or something that will allow me to train naval officers and personnel in the same way that the USA military does with its West Point Academy?

Coastal submarines (which should be what you build the first five years of construction) have only enough range to defend the port areas they are based in. Second generation models built years 5 - 10 have enough range to patrol the East and South China Sea, and reach the Japanese, Malayan and Vietnamese coast and Luzon and Borneo. Third generation submarines, years 11-15 can reach anywhere in the Western Pacific, or Bay of Bengal. Truly long range submarines able to reach Hawaii, Australia or into the Indian Ocean are further off. I would say you can only build and actually man with a crew safe enough to operate the vessel about 5 submarines a year at this point. Limitation has more to do with general experience levels than ability to consctruct the boats.

Do you mean I can only build 5 subs a year? Meaning in 1920, build 5, then 5 more in 1921 (total will be 10 in 1921) and so on?

I may need to acquire subs that can reach the Japanese coastline (due to Japan withdrawing from alliance and possible sneak attack aganist China), and subs that will be able to reach the Dutch fleet berthed in Dutch East Indies for an "Pearl Harbor" scenario.

How long do you figure before I can have these subs? 5 - 10 years like you said? Or can I cut down the time significantly by having German engineers help? As it stands, the Germans are probably the only ones advanced enough and willing to help China with subs, Navy, and airships. I doubt Britain will help.

aircraft carriers require more trained technical personnel than any other warship except for submarines and for more than even a battleship and trained airgroups are much harder. I would say no Chinese carriers just yet.

When do you think I can have at least one? 1925?

one shipyard per major port city at this time... Tientsin, Tsingtao, Shanghai, Canton being the principal ports

The British and Italians built me shipyards in Shanghai and Tientsin. The Italians built me 2 shipyards with 50,000 ton capacity each in Shanghai, while the British built me 2 or 3 shipyards of similiar tonnage capacity in Tientsin.

So I guess this leaves me with the option to expand shipyards to 100k ton capacities in Shanghai and Tienstin, while building "auxiliary" shipyards of 50k ton capacity in Tsingtao and Canton.

Having all this done by 1925 - 1927.

Is this reasonable? Or is it stretching it a bit?



I really appreciate you taking your time to answer my questions. I want to try to flesh out Chinese assets because I want to be an active player in the international stage, rather than sit on the sidelines. In addition, I need to be prepared for any Japanese sneak attack (if it should happen), so even if I decided to stay on the sidelines again, war may end up coming to me this time in WW 2.

Submarines.. with German help, you can build ocean going submarines pretty much right away, skipping the initial 5 year delay. Crew training is the big factor here, and it takes time to develop the core of officers and skilled petty officers required to operate submarines safely. So I am sticking with 5 submarines with trained crews added to the fleet each year until about 5 years have passed, then you can double it.

Carriers... You don't have anyone to help you there, so you are starting from scratch. The US and Japanese aren't going to, and unless the British do so, you don't have tutors there. Those three nations have a huge head start on everyone else in carrier experience, and all three have a larger proportion of their population to draw on for the Navy. In China, the Navy hasn't been a prestigous career since the 1460s, and it is viewed with even more disdain than the Army (which is not viewed very well at all). So the middle class types you need with education and technical knowledge are slow to volunteer, which means you have to train either noble types (who aren't known for their work ethic) or poor peasant and worker types (who aren't known for their education). This is a big factor for you. The Naval Academy and Naval War College are assumed to have already been created which is why you can at least man your ships, but actual experience can not be substituted.


As for Zeppelins... German help is the only reason you can build them at all. Looking over the history of lighter than air vehicles, Zeppelins (rigid airships) have an awful safety record... really, really awful.

The size of your shipyards are fine, but they can only be built or located at the cities I mentioned.

German Navy 1921

The Germans had begun building significant numbers of dreadnoughts based on lessons learned during the Great War when the Civil War began in 1914, significantly delaying work on many ships and the Washington Naval Treaty led to the cancellation of others. Confident in their supply of oil, the Germans did covert all of their remaining coal burning ships to oil burning by 1920 however, and nearly all of their warships are less than 10 years old.

Battleships
4 Bayern class battleships (Bayern, Baden, Hessen, Rheinland), 29,000 tons, speed 22 knots, 8 x 15 inch guns, 12 x 5.9 inch, 8 x 88 mm flak, (laid down 1914, completed 1919 - 1920)

(based on this ship, and some assumptions made http://www.lostbattalion.com/bb/Bayern.html

3 Derfflinger class battle cruisers (Derfflinger, Lutzow, Blucher) 27,000 tons, speed 28 knots, 8 x 12 inch guns, 12 x 5 inch guns, 14 x 88 mm flak, (laid down 1912 – 13, completed 1914, 1914, 1914, refitted 1918-20, with some excess weight removed, oil instead of coal fired)

based on this
http://german-navy.tripod.com/sms_bc_derfflinger.htm

3 Mackenson class battle cruisers (Mackensen, Scharnhorst, Gneisnau) 31,000 tons, speed 28 knots, 8 x 12 inch guns, 12 x 5 inch guns, 20 x 88 mm flak, (laid down 1914, completed 1920)

based on this
http://german-navy.tripod.com/sms_bc_mackensen.htm

the six German battlecruisers are far better protected than the British or Japanese battlecruisers and as well protected as the British Revenge class Battleships but are inferior in protection to American, Japanese and the British Queen Elizabeth and Nelson class battleships although significantly faster. In other words, they are better protected than anything that can catch them. However, they have a relatively limited range, and cannot steam from Germany to North America and back without refueling, something all British and American heavy warships can easily do. The Americans go for protection, firepower, habitability, and range at the expense of speed, as do the British, although American ships are by far the most comfortable, and are designed for operations in the tropics, something no one else really has factored in except for the British battlecruisers. The German heavy ships are uncomfortable, but the Germans prefer protection, firepower, and speed to range and habitability, and the German Bayern class is the best armored ship in the world. But can only really steam to Iceland or the Azores and back home again.

All other German dreadnoughts were scrapped, lost during the civil war (some were scuttled by their officers during the initial rebellion stages), or simply worn out by the end of the Civil War and obsolete and not worth refitting.

Cruisers
All converted to oil after refit and all have range comparable to British light cruisers, superior to Italian and French cruisers but inferior to Japanese and American cruisers.

Madgeburg class (Madgeburg, Breslau, Strassburg, Straslaud), 4300 tons, 28 knots, 10 x 105 mm(4.1 inch), 6 torpedo tubes, completed 1912-14, refitted 1918

Karlsrhue class (Karlsruhe, Rostock), 4900 tons, 28 knots, 10 x 105 mm, 6 torpedo tubes, completed 1914, refitted in 1919.

Graudenz class (Graudenz, Regensburg) 4900 tons, 28 knots, 12 x 105, 4 x 88 flak, 300 mines Completed 1914, refitted in 1919 as a minelaying cruiser

Wiesbaden class (Wiesbaden, Frankfurt, Pillau, Elbing) 5200 tons, 8 x 5.9 inch, 4 x 88 mm flak, 4 torpedo tubes, 120 mines. Completed 1913-14 as oil burning ships.

Coln class (Coln, Dresden, Emden, Koln,) 5600 tons, 30 knots, 8 x 5.9 inch, 3 x 88 mm flak, 4 torpedo tubes, 200 mines. Completed 1919 as oil burning ships.

All ships above based on these ships
http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/clger.htm

Konigsburg class (under construction, due 1922 – 23)(Konigsburg, Koln, Breslau, Rostock, Kiel, Bremen) 6700 tons, 32 knots, 9 x 5.9 inch, 6 x 88 mm flak, 12 torpedo tubes, 2 aircraft

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/kms_konigsberg.htm

Submarines
Prior to the Civil War, Germany had 8 coastal and 11 ocean going submarines. During the Civil War development stopped, and construction on improved designs began again in 1918. Since then 20 have been a year, giving Germany 89 operational boats by 1921, plus 11 for training purposes. 9 of these submarines have sufficient range to cruise to the Caribbean or North America and back, the rest have sufficient range to reach the Mid Atlantic (except the training boats, which can only reach into the waters around Britain or Norway). German boats are equal to the US R and S classes.

Training
U9 – U17
Operational
U18 – U98
Long range
U99 - 107


Destroyers
During the Great War, the German Navy suffered particularly heavy losses in torpedo boats and destroyers and used them extensively. It was rapidly determined that in order to be more effective, German destroyers needed to be much larger. A new class was still being designed when the Civil War broke out and naval construction went through a 4 year hiatus. Post war the German Navy has being building destroyers in significant numbers however, at the rate of 10 a year since 1918, and they are now as large as most classes of RN destroyers.

40 Destroyers in 8 squadrons
plus 30 torpedo boats in 3 squadrons

Merchant Marine
Germany has one of the larger Merchant Marines in the world, with nearly 4 million tons of shipping, including a dozen large liners, and numerous large cargo vessels. However, nearly half consists of trawlers or vessels designed for trade in the Baltic Sea and unsuitable for voyages in the North Atlantic.

Other ships
The Germans have 6 oilers, 50 minesweepers, and 50 various other ships (tugs, support ships etc). The Germans do not have the ability to refuel at sea (at this point only the Americans and Japanese are even experimenting with that technique, and in secret).


I will post the Russian Navy next. The British, French, Italian and Japanese navies should be as they existed historically in 1921, although reasonable modifications are acceptable. The Turks, Colombians and Chinese have posted what they are up too already.

The British navy at the moment is exactly the same as it's historical counterpart but with improved blast protection as a result of the grand scale tests conducted at Scapa Flow last year. This was documented in my news thread.

The French navy is virtually historical, although any modifications can be seen on my News Thread.

Submarines.. with German help, you can build ocean going submarines pretty much right away, skipping the initial 5 year delay. Crew training is the big factor here, and it takes time to develop the core of officers and skilled petty officers required to operate submarines safely. So I am sticking with 5 submarines with trained crews added to the fleet each year until about 5 years have passed, then you can double it.

So assuming I began building subs with German help in 1920 (the "Mark II" subs that can reach Japan and the Dutch East Indies), I build 5 every year with experienced crew members. Then by 1925, I'll have 25 subs with experienced crewmen, right?

Carriers... You don't have anyone to help you there, so you are starting from scratch. The US and Japanese aren't going to, and unless the British do so, you don't have tutors there. Those three nations have a huge head start on everyone else in carrier experience, and all three have a larger proportion of their population to draw on for the Navy.

Gotcha. I was only asking when I could possibly get a carrier or two to help a Chinese attack on Dutch East Indies. The only reason I may need a carrier or two is because Chinese planes doesn't quite have the range yet to attack Dutch East Indies from Cambodia or Laos (or even Siam should I take Siam). Once my bombers have the range to reach Dutch East Indies, then I won't really need carriers.

In China, the Navy hasn't been a prestigous career since the 1460s, and it is viewed with even more disdain than the Army (which is not viewed very well at all). So the middle class types you need with education and technical knowledge are slow to volunteer, which means you have to train either noble types (who aren't known for their work ethic) or poor peasant and worker types (who aren't known for their education). This is a big factor for you. The Naval Academy and Naval War College are assumed to have already been created which is why you can at least man your ships, but actual experience can not be substituted.

Understood. Perhaps the experience gained from invading Siam and the Dutch East Indies will give the Chinese Navy the necessary prestige to have a full turn-around from the "pariah" into a respectable branch of the Chinese military?

As for Zeppelins... German help is the only reason you can build them at all. Looking over the history of lighter than air vehicles, Zeppelins (rigid airships) have an awful safety record... really, really awful.

Gotcha. I was only exploring Zeppelins as an precedessor to commercial air travel or air-freight to bring supplies and material to hard-to-reach areas in the Gobi Desert or the mountains in Mongolia or the Himalayas.

The size of your shipyards are fine, but they can only be built or located at the cities I mentioned.

No problem. Thanks for the clarification.

25 submarines is about right, and a single carrier about 1925 is doable.. although the next step will then be acquiring carrier aircraft, and that takes time too... even the British, Americans and Japanese don't have dedicated carrier aircraft yet, although they will by then. Experience is required for that, and the leading carrier powers are still learning the hard lessons there.

Aircraft that aren't designed for carrier work tend not to have long service life.

Jensai here...What about my carriers? I currently have two converted ones and one that's being built from the hull of a bttleship that was slated for production, but was canceled due to the Washington Treaty.

Jensai here...What about my carriers? I currently have two converted ones and one that's being built from the hull of a bttleship that was slated for production, but was canceled due to the Washington Treaty.

you have your two carriers, but the British, Americans and Japanese built theirs first and have more experience using them by a couple of years.

Incidently, for the British...as Britain hasn't fought a big war yet there is no RAF. The Army has the Royal Flying Corps, and the Navy has its Naval Air Service, which means the Navy gets to decide what kind of aircraft it wants, which should see better British aircraft then the historical RN had and better doctrine, as historically the RAF controlled RN aircraft procurement and did a really bad job at it, being more interested in large bombers and fighters.

Has the Browning M2 come to be yet?

and when can my machineguns go to air cooled barrels.

As you can see I'm working on making my Infantry the best they possibly can be as Historically the Japanese did not have much of a tank force. So I was going to develop a very fast, mobile, hard hitting infantry force.


I also would like to have the first Specialized Naval Landing forces and Airborne Forces.

I also would like to know if I can start producing a lot of trucks and eventually Half-Tracks for fast moving forces

So far, I believe this is those attending. Will the UK be coming? Apologies if you said so and I missed you! (That goes out to all I missed)

Russia
United States of America
Mexico
Albania
Germany
Argentina
South Africa
Korea
Japan

That goes out to all I missed

Like me, Zion

So far, I believe this is those attending. Will the UK be coming? Apologies if you said so and I missed you! (That goes out to all I missed)

Russia
United States of America
Mexico
Albania
Germany
Argentina
South Africa
Korea
Japan

*raises hand* us as well (Brazil).

(Nudges Empire Napoleonien)

How could you forget the all-mighty China? :cool:

Don't forget France!

So far, I believe this is those attending. Will the UK be coming? Apologies if you said so and I missed you! (That goes out to all I missed)

Russia
United States of America
Mexico
Albania
Germany
Argentina
South Africa
Korea
Japan

Yugoslavia will be coming as well

Russia
United States of America
Mexico
Albania
Germany
Argentina
South Africa
Korea
Japan

Actually, I'm going to have to withdraw from this conference due to RL issues (I'll be out of town all weekend and wouldn't be able to post anyway).

Id be glad to attend the conference(if it hasnt started). Sorry i was out for two or three days but CC is a tough sport! :D And please will nobody go to war! I need to build up my economy so I can potentially buy back gibraltar! ...plans...

To Mexico, Russia, Brazil, and Germany, I will be posting a conference thread soon to form a union of leftist states. If you want to know the stance of my government look in my news thread towards the end and there will be articles about a new party. The conference will be held in Corduba. Look for a thread called the Corduba Conference as thats what it will be called most likely. Thanks for your interest!

Thanks a lot GB!

Also, how many Akron-type Zeppelins do I have? I started experimenting during the latter parts of the Civil War, and have been exploring the idea more.

And German Zeppelins were very safe! There was a great record even with hydrogen. Plus the great Dr Eckener trains them!

To Mexico, Russia, Brazil, and Germany, I will be posting a conference thread soon to form a union of leftist states. If you want to know the stance of my government look in my news thread towards the end and there will be articles about a new party. The conference will be held in Corduba. Look for a thread called the Corduba Conference as thats what it will be called most likely. Thanks for your interest!

your move to the Left is going to cause a backlash in your country. Spain has always been very conservative, and the Russians and Germans are viewed as Godless Commies by many in your nation. The Basques are just as conservative and they have kin in France, which has no reason at this point to be pleased about an alliance between Spain and Germany/Russia.

The historical Spanish Civil War was a bloody mess for a reason.....and your last one was relatively quick. All of the tensions that remain have been building.

Parthini']Thanks a lot GB!

Also, how many Akron-type Zeppelins do I have? I started experimenting during the latter parts of the Civil War, and have been exploring the idea more.

And German Zeppelins were very safe! There was a great record even with hydrogen. Plus the great Dr Eckener trains them!

German Zeppelins are relatively safe as compared to the British, American, and Italian Zeppelins.... read about the Norge, R101, Roma, Akron, Macon, Shenandoah, etc....

I can see Germany having about 100 Zeppelins, of which 20 are capable of oceanic missions and half of those can read North America. I figure about 10 others can carry aircraft (usually about 4 each) but not much further than the MidAtlantic.

40 planes isn't bad... Can I build more?

I assume the others carry bombs. If so, how much?

Chatzy?

BTW, we got wireless internet in the dorms (Huzzah!) so now I can be on during the day.

:D thank you! glad someone figured that out...i plan on haveing a civil war in which the right attempts to overthrow the monarchy but that will be a realtive;y bloody one and may last for a few years...hopefully some international intervention and then a socilaist monarchy in the end :D at least thats how its planned....

Id be glad to attend the conference(if it hasnt started). Sorry i was out for two or three days but CC is a tough sport! :D And please will nobody go to war! I need to build up my economy so I can potentially buy back gibraltar! ...plans...

Good to see another cross country runner (assuming thats what you meant by CC). I (hungary) will also attend the world conference on peace.

Yea cross country! but im not really a runner and have gained a lot of respect for the guys that run 15 minute 3 miles because im only doing it for conditioning before swim season and its nearly killing me! jp but its hard.

yugoslavia please see the Corduba Conference thread! it is of interest to you!

Two words:
Red. Planet.

You are all DOOMED.

OoC:
Seriously, though. I'm announcing the negotiations commencing in the Spring of 1921 between Moscow and Berlin pertaining to establishing mechanisms for the closer co-ordination of policy. These negotiations result in the following agreement for 1921:

In order to prevent future breaches of diplomatic policy from occurring among Europe's great communist powers, the Union of Social-Democratic Republics and the Workers' Republic of Germany are establishing a General Consultative Council on International and Common Policy at Warsaw, in combination with a joint military Revolutionary High Command located at Hamburg.

[OoC: Shamelessly plagiarized from the Turk-Arab Confederation. Thanks, guys.]

I. The Workers' Republic and the Union of Social-Democratic Republics will protect each other from all attacks.
II. There will be no restriction on trade and travel between the two states.
III. Criminals from one nation apprehended in another will be returned to their home state for trial.
IV. A right of passage will be granted, so that all states within the treaty may use each other's railroads and roads to transport goods and arms to the front in war and peacetime.
V. No foreign Power may base its troops within the signatory states' regions, without premission of the signatory states. For purposes of this Article, Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Finland, and Georgia shall not be construed as foreign to one another, nor to any sovereign republic as may be lawfully incorporated into the Union of Social-Democratic Republics under Article XLIV of the Union Basic Law, nor to Germany.
VI. The signatory states will consult one another, through the General Council and Revolutionary High Command, on all decisions pertinent to international affairs and state security.
VII. During times of war, the signatory states will be obliged to assist each other. No signatory state, however, shall issue a Declaration of War without first obtaining the advice and consent of the General Council at Warsaw. This shall not be construed as affecting the signatory states' right to defend their citizens and territories from foreign attacks.
VIII. The signatory states commit themselves to fully integrating their military command-and-control structures, as well as state security and intelligence services, by the end of 1926. Thereafter, if not before, the Revolutionary High Command will be the sole and supreme military authority for the signatory states, subject to the legitimate civil power of the signatory states as expressed through the General Council.


OoC: This is to be construed as the beginning of the process of eventual unification. In practice, until and unless modified, this means:

Parthini is the authority in all military development, and troop movements (including negotiations through territories), though Vas Pokhoronim controls actual declarations of war. Parthini is also in control of intelligence and exploration (North Pole, Space, etc.) and the development of WMDs and other military technologies. He is effectively acting as the "Left Hand" of Revolution, following the formulation of German Chancellor Karl Liebknecht.

Other than that, Vas Pokhoronim retains control over political and economic decisions and strategies. Among other things, he is acting as the "Right Hand" of Co-operation.

Both of us consult with one another and advise on any decision.

For the moment, both countries may still be considered sovereign, and Vas Pokhoronim's use of the term "Union" will be deliberately ambiguous but generally taken as referring to the USDR.

OOC: Tito will be there, i think that he would make a very good character to relate to the communist governments, though Yugoslavia is centrist right now, as all the people of the nation are represented pretty well by Parliament.

I need an opinion by either Sharina or Vas... the US intends to establish bases in Casablanca and Tangiers (Morocco) using the amazingly true (as in historically accurate) and very old treaty (signed in 1776) of friendship it has with Morocco and lots of bribes to the relevent leaders to make it happen. Telegram me and let me know if that is doable.

In other news, US submarines are watching Colombian ports very closely, and the US is reading German diplomatic cables via code breaking. I assume that the Colombians have filled Colombia full of spies as well, which is easy for them as they of course are also Spanish speaking

In secret, the US quietly lets Colombia know that unifying Venezuela into a San Martin and Bolivars dream of a united South America would be just fine with the US. Venezuela didn't sign the Pan American Treaty after all.

OOC:

Should there be a new thread for the new Russo-German state?

Also, I'd like to see a link or evidence of this historical treaty between USA and Morocco in 1776. :)

OOC:

Should there be a new thread for the new Russo-German state?

Also, I'd like to see a link or evidence of this historical treaty between USA and Morocco in 1776. :)
There will be, eventually, when it's fully set up. For now we're retaining our sovereignty and laying the groundwork.
As for Morocco, in RL at this time it was a French Protectorate. But I think in our timeline there was an abortive German invasion, and a subsequent strengthening of ties with Spain. They'd probably hate the Germans, then, and correspondingly be willing to entertain the idea of American bases, but a lot would depend upon the extent of Spanish influence in the kingdom, since I can't imagine Madrid's current government being too happy an expansion of American military so close to their borders. I'd look into that (hell, I probably will look into it - it's possible I've gotten it all wrong, after all).
I expect they'd be a little wary, but the Moroccan government at this regardless is likely to have a very hands-off policy with regard to local officials and tribal authorities, who could easily profit from American military bases, so I suspect they'd be likely to go for it. I'd still check to see about Spanish influence, first. But if they don't have the authority to scotch the plan with a strong protest, I expect it'd go through.

Hey, sorry for wasting your time, but I don't think this is for me. Do not consider this with a negative connotation, since the idea is phenominal, and the role playing itself is great. Unfortunately, I'm the type of role player that likes to write everything out, consequently the way of war isn't my style. Furthermore, I enjoy games with a bit more lax, but regardless, your organization and administration is impeccable, and I commend you on that.

Sorry for wasting your time. I had fun while I was Norway. Hopefully someone with more time, and more adept to the game's system, will take Norway in my place.

OOC:

Should there be a new thread for the new Russo-German state?

Also, I'd like to see a link or evidence of this historical treaty between USA and Morocco in 1776. :)

I was incorrect... it was 1786

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/barbary/bar1786t.htm

http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/000622/2000062233.html

at this point the US doesn't really care what the Spanish government thinks about the issue .. chuckle.... as it is really pretty much aimed at them

I was incorrect... it was 1786

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/barbary/bar1786t.htm

http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/000622/2000062233.html

at this point the US doesn't really care what the Spanish government thinks about the issue .. chuckle.... as it is really pretty much aimed at them
No. I know the US doesn't care (brown people? what?), I was wondering about the Moroccans.

No. I know the US doesn't care (brown people? what?), I was wondering about the Moroccans.

Well, the Berbers should like us, we made the Rizuli (the man) Sharif of Tangiers back in 1905 (historical) but in this time line we simply paid him to make the issue go away when he kidnapped a man claiming to be American who wasn't. America also made the most noise when the Germans invaded.

Alright, final ruling. The Berbers would indeed like the Americans for the reasons you've stated, but they'd also like the Spanish for making just as much as noise and taking greater risks during the same event. The Sultan is in some ways probably of a similar mind. He likes the Spanish, but probably mistrusts their current government. The Italians also supported Moroccan independence, and the breach between Spain and Italy is forcing a choice on him anyway.
So I'm suspecting the Sultan would be inclined to allow the American bases, but only if fairly convincing assurances can be made that the Americans (perhaps in combination with the Italians) can protect him from any Spanish retribution.
How convincing these assurances are may be affected by Spanish actions in the immediate future, as well. If Spain is quick on the draw offering a better deal or fearsome intimidation, he could scotch your plan, which I think is realistic. But his own actions would have to be convincing as well, and swift in coming. We'll see what happens Thursday, and if the Sultan is properly reassured the Americans will get their bases, but if he's jittery he'll stall.
Fair, Sharina?

Alright, final ruling. The Berbers would indeed like the Americans for the reasons you've stated, but they'd also like the Spanish for making just as much as noise and taking greater risks during the same event. The Sultan is in some ways probably of a similar mind. He likes the Spanish, but probably mistrusts their current government. The Italians also supported Moroccan independence, and the breach between Spain and Italy is forcing a choice on him anyway.
So I'm suspecting the Sultan would be inclined to allow the American bases, but only if fairly convincing assurances can be made that the Americans (perhaps in combination with the Italians) can protect him from any Spanish retribution.
How convincing these assurances are may be affected by Spanish actions in the immediate future, as well. If Spain is quick on the draw offering a better deal or fearsome intimidation, he could scotch your plan, which I think is realistic. But his own actions would have to be convincing as well, and swift in coming. We'll see what happens Thursday, and if the Sultan is properly reassured the Americans will get their bases, but if he's jittery he'll stall.
Fair, Sharina?

I'm willing to accept VP's input. However, I'm not sure how active the Spanish player is. I may be inclined to give the Spanish player until Sunday at the latest (it will be 1921 until Sunday night) to respond to this American Base thing.

It is unfair if the Spanish player is unable to come to E20 for RL reasons and then find out he got "shafted". This happened to Kordo during WW 1. To be fair to Galveston Bay, if Spain doesn't respond by Sunday, then Galveston Bay can begin neogiations for the American bases in Morocco.

You gotta remember that we gotta make considerations for those players who are not as active as those of us who post everyday like myself, you, GB, Germany, etc.

Spain posted a couple times today, actually, and is hosting the Cordoba Conference right now. Point taken, though.
I think, though, that if someone's going to be gone, they should post in the Threads, or at least let one of the Mods know. I always do, as does Galveston Bay, and you (as I recall when you had your surgery). Parthini has, too. I'm all for making allowances with minor powers especially, but there's also responsibility. You can't leave a World War for three days in the middle of it without mentioning to anybody and reasonably expect your country to still be there when you get back (pace Kordo).
But if you want to give Philanchez til Sunday (also allowing GB to make counteroffers, I assume), that doesn't seem unreasonable. I mean, it's Morocco. I could easily see them taking six months to make up their minds while getting fat on baksheesh.

IC: In response to the positive reaction to the relocation, Germany, with the consent of the Venezuelan government, has declared Venezuela to be a protectorate, and therefore, should any government unlawfully attack Venezuela, it would be an attack on socialism itself.

Germany has also reccomended that Venezuela sign the Pan-American Treaty.

Sorry for wasting your time. I had fun while I was Norway. Hopefully someone with more time, and more adept to the game's system, will take Norway in my place.

ooc: Hi everyone, im the new Norway player

ooc: Hi everyone, im the new Norway player

Hi I'm Brazil. Your not so local socialist pariah lmao :) whats your nations politics?

at the moment the Storting (the norwegian parliament) is adapting a liberal stance on most issues, but still remains conservative on others. Were basically dead centre for now. ;)

Parthini']IC: In response to the positive reaction to the relocation, Germany, with the consent of the Venezuelan government, has declared Venezuela to be a protectorate, and therefore, should any government unlawfully attack Venezuela, it would be an attack on socialism itself.

Germany has also reccomended that Venezuela sign the Pan-American Treaty.

this provokes an immediate action from the United States

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9643925#post9643925

From: Catherine, Queen of Bulgaria

The Kingdom is willing to send Princess Anne of Bulgaria to Metz...

The first meeting of the Society of Nations is set for September to October of 1921 in Geneva, Switzerland.
At this point only around 17-18 nations are members.., any nation that is committed towards the world's general welfare is admitted. All a nation has to do is go to the Society of Nations (E20 thread) and sign in.

It will be separate in a way from the Cordoba and Metz gatherings...

Can someone please supply me with a Society of Nations link...? I've been looking but I can't seem to find one.

right here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9645144#post9645144) dude, on another note i was wondering, what happens when we reach 2000, does it become E21?

I will be willing to pay anyone for 50 sniper rifles. I will give you 1,200 dollar for all of them.

From
Jose Luis Tamayo

US proposes an alliance

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9646284#post9646284

OOC: Guys, stop trying to start a world war every five seconds. We need to wait to start this one, as our last one showed us. If we wait till the 30s, we can get loads more technology, with a war more comparable to OTL's WWII than a later WWI. That's my two cents.

dudes, this is important, i think we should stop trying to avoid a war by means that is bringing down the quality of this RP, if we avoid a war specifically for the purpose of gaining more technology in the 1930's then we are all guilty of Metagaming, which is NOT cool, I say Germany's move into Veniswaylar(sp?) is a good RP move and the following events even better, so back off with the OOC peacekeeping, my 2 pennies.

One we need to be less trigger happy, we can't be freaking fighting wars every two years, that bloody insane. We need to clam down as Italy said, WE DON'T NEED WAR ALL THE TIME, this world rp is not meant to be War all the time.

I agree

One we need to be less trigger happy, we can't be freaking fighting wars every two years, that bloody insane. We need to clam down as Italy said, WE DON'T NEED WAR ALL THE TIME, this world rp is not meant to be War all the time.

while I understand your point of view, nevertheless, as a player I have to take the stand the US is taking. Its been the consistant policy of the US the entire game.

I agree with Ottoman Khaif and Fluffly. In NS it's fine to go to war every other week, but in reality nations do not go to war lightly. Now, the Great War didn't affect some nations (the US, Britain, the White Dominions, etc) directly, but the European nations especially should be more interested in peace than war. Look at what happened in real life: the British and the French were so afraid of another Great War that they gave in to Hitler's demands right up until 1939.

That being said, I wouldn't mind fighting them Godless commies :p

Joining the Venezuela thread, as U.S Ally.

Spooty, regardless of any OOC peacekeeping I still must keep Italy in character. That is, Italy will reluctantly join in killing the evil godless communist enemy. I still want a later WWII, but the enemy has sallied forth. It is time to bring cold hard Roman steel down upon the enemy.

dudes, this is important, i think we should stop trying to avoid a war by means that is bringing down the quality of this RP, if we avoid a war specifically for the purpose of gaining more technology in the 1930's then we are all guilty of Metagaming, which is NOT cool, I say Germany's move into Veniswaylar(sp?) is a good RP move and the following events even better, so back off with the OOC peacekeeping, my 2 pennies.

Uh, whats Metagaming? I never heard of that.

dudes, this is important, i think we should stop trying to avoid a war by means that is bringing down the quality of this RP, if we avoid a war specifically for the purpose of gaining more technology in the 1930's then we are all guilty of Metagaming, which is NOT cool, I say Germany's move into Veniswaylar(sp?) is a good RP move and the following events even better, so back off with the OOC peacekeeping, my 2 pennies.
That's not why I'm trying to avoid a war. OoC, I don't have the spare time for one. IC, surprisingly enough, Russia's trying to avoid war because war is bad. We wouldn't be having to even try if expansionistic knuckleheads like Italy (for the enemy) and Germany (for the home team) didn't keep trying to encroach on other people's (ahem!) front yards. That's why I was trying to get the Metz Conference started, but Burgundy isn't stepping up to the plate.
And Veniswaylar? Wow.
And "metagaming" is where you're supposed to be playing in character but you don't for out of character reasons.

And "metagaming" is where you're supposed to be playing in character but you don't for out of character reasons.

Wouldn't that be like not being able to RP because of RL issues (family, surgery, hospital, or any situation that prevents internet access)?

No. It's more like using privileged information inappropriately. Like, if I were the American player, deciding to avoid a war in Vietnam in 1950 because I knew I wouldn't be able to win a protracted guerrilla war. In 1950, the US didn't know that (and apparently some of us still don't . . ), and so ended up involved in Indochina for the next twenty-five years.

The problem with this is I see us just lining up on the fence and being so willing to defend each other, something that wasn't true in RL. In the total of civilization, only like 200 years have been peace around the world and as long as there aren't any minor wars with minor countries or whatever.

Meh, I'm really tired. :mad:

Oh yeah, and who said we were godless? You guys seem to forget that we're not the USSR.

Parthini']Oh yeah, and who said we were godless? You guys seem to forget that we're not the USSR.
I don't think it's so much that they forget as they don't care.

Cross-Post

Labor Strike Broken up by Government Troops

After a week-long stand-off between a large portion of factory workers and factory security, government troops arrived and broke up the strike using machine-guns, rifles, armored cars, and clubs.

The mostly unarmed workers were protesting for a pay raise and shorter work-days. The Factory owners ahd refused to give in and the factory workers ahd voed to stay on strike until their demands were met.

Over fifty workers were killed and hundreds more wounded.

On the matter of the war

War would be bad for Britain, she would begin to struglle economically (especially if it was bloody) and trade would fall. Though historically she has always stood for protecting Western Europe and standing by her allies, therefore she will do nothing to provoke war but will declare it if it is necessary.

I'll be gone for most of the day, and I'm having major problems with my ISP (gee, aren't uber-capitalistic monopolistic mega-conglomerates so efficient?), so you'll not see any posts from me for a while - and probably only a few over the weekend, since I work long hours.

South America
The situation in Venezuela seems to be calming down, and I hope no-one does anything to screw with that. I hope as well that with the German retraction of the Protectorate that trade can be restored. Moscow will certainly be working for that.
At the Cordoba Conference, Moscow will support Brazil but stop short of an overt military alliance. In these tense times, we feel it is wisest not to further provoke American action. Nevertheless, we might offer armaments designs and help setting up factories. A country's got to be able to defend itself, right? Nothing to violate the Pan-American Treaty, and we strongly advise Brazil to cultivate Washington's friendship, perhaps with a trade agreement and non-aggression pact.

Europe
Some heavy things may be going down soon in Europe. Unfortunately I won't be able to react to a lot for the next couple of days. Suffice it say to that Moscow will try to avoid the use of force in any crises but will always offer humanitarian assistance, and will inform Berlin - if necessary - that if Germany engages in any further military action on its own we can consider our alliance broken.
The Cordoba Conference is in a lull right now, I think, my protests were reasonably effective at London, and Moscow, believe it or not, actually supports the Romanian/Hungarian-led neutrality movement arising in the Balkans right now, especially since we're cultivating closer ties with Yugoslavia. Neutrality isn't as desirable as alliance, but it's a piece better than hostility.

Asia
I'm still not paying enough attention here. I'll try to open negotiations with China when I get home tonight. I'll also continue to pursue those joint operations with Great Britain in Afghanistan. Good way to show friendliness while picking up possibly useful intelligence on terrain and military practices.

I think that covers the Hot Spots that I know might arise.

I'm finally playing the Comintern Card in Romania (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9650317#post9650317).

Greetings to all,
We are to be punished by invasion by our neighbor the USDR and their allies. Our crime against them?? Attempting to Buy blueprints from a country other than the Union. We will not ask aid from anyone, for we know that no one but God almighty might come to our aid.

But I request from you to remember this war is fought not to liberate, not for revenge but for the complete dominance of one nation on the others economy, millitary, Industry and culture.

My request from all of you is to work for a future where this shameful event shall not ever repeat itself.

Please excuse Romania for not continuing to attend the eastern european conference.

Signed, King Ferdinand

On a side note: shouldn't International opinion be condeming this?? And shouldn't the United States and Italy condemn this or at least be worried that Russia has publicly called them "enemies" and is declaring a full scale war against a nation who dared to attempt to deal with them?? or are we on a policy of appeasment because nobody wants a war?? I personnally think that trying to buy submarine blueprints isn't much of a Casius Belli -I think that is the right word- and some russians won't like a war because of just that.

You could at least try to spark of some fighting in the border or have the left call for your help or something! I still can't bellive I am going to be invaded because I tried to buy submarine blueprints (imagine what would have happened if I tried to buy fishing boats or cargo planes let alone a submarine? they might have declared war on the US ...not).

Now that's another point how did a telegram from my government to the US government reach the russian government to begin with?! what? the non-existant Russian secret service (no stalinisim no KGB) is a good friend of western Union or something??

The biggest problem is that if we somehow stopped the Russians the US will come:"You tried to get aid from our sworn enemies the evil Germans"...

this does need to be sorted out, and I am not going to have the war start until I get confirmation from the Russian player that he is indeed planning to invade..

for now, assume some border skirmishes while alert orders go out

The US also sends a sympathetic telegram, and a strong condemnation is issued to the press

(its not as if I can save you as geography is not your friend)

Here is the Conference at Metz:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9651203#post9651203

However, besides a global organization, I must admit I’m not sure what the agenda should hold. Any suggestions?

Norway, would you consider a Scandinavian trading agreement so that with Sweden (No ones doing that country so it automatically joins?) and belgium (Is that okay with you Belgium) we can get a monopoly on sead trade. So just TG me or contact my diplomatic branch with your offers. Also Denmark is starting to build a nice series of forts along the border and is making a city/fortress/island out of Coperhagn.

Nice. A Gibralter-esque fortress that I will have to seige... erm... go... around....

Basically, I think the US and the Union have decided on a non-verbal agreement to stay out of eachother's back yards (hell, even I know that!).

I actually haven't read it yet, but I will say something. And if Russia goes to war, Germany, in light of brotherhood, will join. I was hoping for Albania first but oh well.

And who says we don't have a spy network? Just so:

IC: The Left Hand recently semi-secretly announced to the Convention that a spy network called the Black Pinky (can't think of a good name yet) will begin espionage and counter-espionage efforts around the globe.

Norway, would you consider a Scandinavian trading agreement so that with Sweden (No ones doing that country so it automatically joins?) and belgium (Is that okay with you Belgium) we can get a monopoly on sead trade. So just TG me or contact my diplomatic branch with your offers. Also Denmark is starting to build a nice series of forts along the border and is making a city/fortress/island out of Coperhagn.

From: King Haakan VII
Norway would be glad to disccuss this treaty

Nice, now how about you Belgium?
In other news I expect my line of defenses to be done within a year or so and hopefully will have enough mony to do other things. (No Magnot Line here)

Quito Daily News


The Ecuadorian army is starting a Special Forces group. They pick the best out of the best of the army. The army picked 100 men. They will be trained to use the sniper rifle, demo experts, and camo experts. It will take a least one year for them to be trained.

President Tamayo has started building a military base and port at the Galapagos Islands. In the military base their will be barracks, 5 anti-aircraft guns, and a airstrip. The base is being built because of the threats of Mexico.
The base will only care 50 men at a time . All of the rest the land will be declared a national park.

Nice, now how about you Belgium?
In other news I expect my line of defenses to be done within a year or so and hopefully will have enough mony to do other things. (No Magnot Line here)

OCC: I'll consider it.

Quito Daily News


The Ecuadorian army is starting a Special Forces group. They pick the best out of the best of the army. The army picked 100 men. They will be trained to use the sniper rifle, demo experts, and camo experts. It will take a least one year for them to be trained.

President Tamayo has started building a military base and port at the Galapagos Islands. In the military base their will be barracks, 5 anti-aircraft guns, and a airstrip. The base is being built because of the threats of Mexico.
The base will only care 50 men at a time . All of the rest the land will be declared a national park.

ooc
truthfully, all I have read about the Galapagos indicates there isn't enough water to support much more than that

OOC:

I've been inspired by my trip into Boston today. I'd like to know what kinds of civilian stuff that my China can do now in 1920 - 1930's?

1. What is the current state of my education system? I've been trying to reform it to match the one used by the USA (elementary schools, middle schools, high schools, and colleges / universities).

2. When can China build subways in all of its major cities? IIRC, the world's very first subway eas established in Boston (my hometown) in 1901 or so.

3. What can China build in terms of hospitals, sewage systems, high rise skycrapers, etc.? IIRC, the Empre State Building was built in 1930 - 1935, correct?

4. What about electricity power plants?

5. Is there any other major civilian improvements that should be done by China?

To be honest, I'm not exactly sure what kind of civilian stuff that China can build (or any 1920's civilian stuff worldwide). I'm trying to do these 5 things to help improve Chinese economy, living standards, and develop mass transportation systems.

Parliamentary Elections Held; SFIO Upsets Conservative Party

In a stunning reversal of fortune for the Conservative Party of France, who had held power for over twenty years, the SFIO (Socialist PArty of France) gained majority control of Parliament. Their victory was mainly due to their strong platform of labor reform, which was supported by many of the working-class.

The SFIO has gained over 70% of the seats in Parliament, relegating the Conservatives to a minority rol in the government. The new prime minster is Leon Blum who will be replacing Alexander Milerand.

The SFIO has promised extensive labor reforms and better relationships with France's neighbors.

Quito Daily News


The Ecuadorian army is starting a Special Forces group. They pick the best out of the best of the army. The army picked 100 men. They will be trained to use the sniper rifle, demo experts, and camo experts. It will take a least one year for them to be trained.

President Tamayo has started building a military base and port at the Galapagos Islands. In the military base their will be barracks, 5 anti-aircraft guns, and a airstrip. The base is being built because of the threats of Mexico.
The base will only care 50 men at a time . All of the rest the land will be declared a national park.

OOC: I have a question... WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO WAGE WAR OVER THE GALAPAGOS ISLANDS?... No wonder the Mexican people are going to toss out their government.

OOC: I have a question... WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO WAGE WAR OVER THE GALAPAGOS ISLANDS?... No wonder the Mexican people are going to toss out their government.

Perhaps they want some of these big giant heads? ;)

Perhaps they want some of these big giant heads? ;)

thats Easter Island... although they might some of those Giant Tortoises

Greetings to all,
We are to be punished by invasion by our neighbor the USDR and their allies.

I am technically not invading. My allies are certainly not.

You could at least try to spark of some fighting in the border or have the left call for your help or something
That is exactly what I'm doing: supporting the legitimate (Bessarabian) government against the tyrants in Bucharest.

I still can't bellive I am going to be invaded because I tried to buy submarine blueprints
Honestly, you're right. It's ridiculous. The reality is that I'm sick to death of Romanian ingratitude and suspicion, and I'm even sicker of having to deal with little Balkan states (that means you, Albania, though you're finally wising up) courting Italian or American favors every damn day. As a player I don't have time for that. Italy and America hate me. Cozying up to them is not a way to get on my good side, and that's exactly why you guys keep doing it: to assert your independence of Russia.
If you weren't so paranoid about the possibility of losing your autonomy to Russia, we'd have nothing to worry about. And you wouldn't be losing your autonomy to Russia.

how did a telegram from my government to the US government reach the russian government to begin with?
It wasn't designated Secret. If it had been, I would've had to ignore it. It was open source. You think my diplomatic staff in Washington wouldn't be interested in communications between my nearest neighbor and my most powerful rival?

Anyway, this has to end. Your choice was Russian friendship, or neutrality. Friendship is obviously out at this point. And neutrality does not include making deals of any kind with powers hostile to Russia. That's not neutrality, that's taking sides. This has to end.

I am technically not invading. My allies are certainly not.

This is confusing because I thought you were sending troops and Germany is most likly aid if you did.

That is exactly what I'm doing: supporting the legitimate (Bessarabian) government against the tyrants in Bucharest.

Who did not call for any support, and why should they?? it's not like we're persecuting them like in france and italy.

Honestly, you're right. It's ridiculous. The reality is that I'm sick to death of Romanian ingratitude and suspicion, and I'm even sicker of having to deal with little Balkan states (that means you, Albania, though you're finally wising up) courting Italian or American favors every damn day. As a player I don't have time for that. Italy and America hate me. Cozying up to them is not a way to get on my good side, and that's exactly why you guys keep doing it: to assert your independence of Russia.

If you weren't so paranoid about the possibility of losing your autonomy to Russia, we'd have nothing to worry about. And you wouldn't be losing your autonomy to Russia.

Paranoia is I daresay showing more on your part, What have I done but cooperate with Russia on the Besserabian matter? we gave assurances to not to allow any forign troops to exist on Romanian soil and have negotiated clauses on which only neigbor troops can enter Romania -none of which have an aggressive behaviour against communisim- we allowed a Russian millitary base on Besserabia we are even allowing Russian forces to pass to Yugoslavia should there be a need for such an action.

What have we done against Russia?? now let's see at the civil war Romanian troops entered Besserabia to protect it from the whites. when you took offence we withdrew these forces and gave an apology. Next we sought to develop our industries, so what did we have alot of?? OIL, now Russia and Turkey has alot of that so we couldn't get a good deal on that so we approached Germany, who strangely did not show any interest before or after their civil war. After Germany, we assesed our options and decided to approach Italy (a weaker power compared to France -who also have alot of oil-) who seemed intrested and agreed to develop the industrial sector in exchange for oil. I admit that maybe accepting their offer to develop the mining sector in exchange for their rifles was a bit overdoing it but it was such a good deal we couldn't refuse, and it's not such a big deal

Anyway, this has to end. Your choice was Russian friendship, or neutrality. Friendship is obviously out at this point. And neutrality does not include making deals of any kind with powers hostile to Russia. That's not neutrality, that's taking sides. This has to end.

I beg to differ, the other side would hardly call it neutrallity if I dealt with sociallist countries and refused to deal with them. But there are levels of deals. For instance (unlike Albania) I have not requested aid from anybody, It was always something in exchange for something, oil for industry, money for blueprints, millitary access for increased share in German investments. You may argue that accepting Italian investments and Rifles is accepting aid but still we did not request it and it was offered to us. If you mind then I will return the rifles and offer them something for their investments. And finally I attempted to buy Submarine plans from the US and Germany, Italy was not to be approached because we already accepted too much from them...

Now I ask you, if neutrality is dealing with warsaw alliance and not dealing with London Alliance then isn't there going to be not one single country on the earth is considered a neutral country. I mean come on, China is buying 100 planes from the US and Turkey has a joint company with Great Britain to drill oil! And you couldn't find anyone else to pick on except Romania for some Rifles and a blueprint?!

Is it too late for Norway to join the Metz conference?

Is it too late for Norway to join the Metz conference?

I shouldn't think so...no you should be fine joining now.

good good, King Haakan VII will be attending personally

Snip.
Telegram me. Obviously we have some different perspectives on things, but it's true I was probably overreacting. We may be able to salvage something out of this if we deal fairly and honestly with each other Out of Character.
Russia will not be starting any wars today.

OCC: I'll consider it.

Thank you.

be not one single country on the earth is considered a neutral country

I'll still be neutral because I haven't participated in either talks. :)

Shucks, no war :mad:

Oh well.

Yeah, uhh, I never remembered getting an offers for really anything, and I think most of that stuff should be sent to VP.

Anyways, VP is right. You guys are in the Balkans and so you listen to us, or cause WWII (might be fun tho...). It's like South America and the US. In my opinion, I think it would be ok if Balkans guys got stuff, but nothing permanent or owned by pretty much anyone else.

And China has lots of people so I don't plan to mess with them.

Quito Daily News


1921
Today marks the end of the rebel group Terrorista de Ecuador. Suriviors say that they were hiding in the mountains from the army. The suriviors said there were over 500 men men of the Terrorista de Ecuador. A day ago they said they were attacked. The suriviors said that the bullets came from nowhere. The men thought they were being attacked by ghosts. Only 50 men escaped and were arrested. All the other men were killed. No one knows who did it. In other news the government is making new Special Forces groups. The new groups will be the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. They will be train like the
1st.

Nice, sounds like SDU (Special Directive Unit) 1 which I made in another thread to kick the communists out of germany (In proccess) in Weimar.
Anyhow Norway has sent some engineers to help with the forts and defenses around Denmark and so I will be excpecting it to be done within the next year at the highest, or within four months at the lowest and 8 months are more reasonable figure.

I'm willing to accept VP's input. However, I'm not sure how active the Spanish player is. I may be inclined to give the Spanish player until Sunday at the latest (it will be 1921 until Sunday night) to respond to this American Base thing.

It is unfair if the Spanish player is unable to come to E20 for RL reasons and then find out he got "shafted". This happened to Kordo during WW 1. To be fair to Galveston Bay, if Spain doesn't respond by Sunday, then Galveston Bay can begin neogiations for the American bases in Morocco.

You gotta remember that we gotta make considerations for those players who are not as active as those of us who post everyday like myself, you, GB, Germany, etc.
HOLY CRAP WHAT LUCK! sorry ive been off lately but freaking cross country and it was homecomeing week so partys and football games...yesterday was more party time so im sorry ive been off and havent gotten to speak on this topic but my only thing is if i can find out which exactly are our bases in morrocco and then ill find out whats happening. Personally I hav no quarrels with the Americans and neither would the King (unless you hurt the workers). Now I would however wish to be in the negotiations with Morrocco at the same time as the Americans to oversee and make sure we do not get "shafted". I used to have plans for morrocco but I abandoned them. We would look on at this warily but wold allow it as long as it does not breach our security. Also I think I claimed Morrocco as a protectorate when Germany invaded but Im not sure...

HOLY CRAP WHAT LUCK! sorry ive been off lately but freaking cross country and it was homecomeing week so partys and football games...yesterday was more party time so im sorry ive been off and havent gotten to speak on this topic but my only thing is if i can find out which exactly are our bases in morrocco and then ill find out whats happening. Personally I hav no quarrels with the Americans and neither would the King (unless you hurt the workers). Now I would however wish to be in the negotiations with Morrocco at the same time as the Americans to oversee and make sure we do not get "shafted". I used to have plans for morrocco but I abandoned them. We would look on at this warily but wold allow it as long as it does not breach our security. Also I think I claimed Morrocco as a protectorate when Germany invaded but Im not sure...

Good thing you came, Philanchez. I understand you've had a busy week, we all have busy weeks at one point or another.

You can try posting more often this coming week when the Morocco thing takes place. Basically, the USA has had an ancient friendship agreement with Morocco dating back to the 1780's I believe, and now the USA wants to use that friendship treaty to build a couple of military bases there. I think one is naval and the other is Army, but I may be wrong.

Hope to see you on this week. :)

OOC: I have important question for the mods, how does one such as myself handle treaties and investements in NPC nations. I am not to sure what to do for this.

Ottoman, tell me what you have in mind and I will figure out a solution...

Sharina, the US wants a base in Tangiers (anchorage and airfield) and Casablanca (naval base and airfield)

Well, I want to do some friendship treaty and investement in Ethiopia and also in Morocco in the hopes of trying to counter American influnce in the region of Morocco.

Well, I want to do some friendship treaty and investement in Ethiopia and also in Morocco in the hopes of trying to counter American influnce in the region of Morocco.

that won't be easy...Ethopia is Christian and has a history of not liking Moslems much. Morocco, not so sure about, I will look up attitudes toward Turks by the Moroccans.

When I attacked Morocco and I then left, I made Morocco a protectorate so that they Europeans wouldn't eat it up. So if America were to go make stuff in Morocco, that just wouldn't be fair so I would be quite offended.

Parthini']When I attacked Morocco and I then left, I made Morocco a protectorate so that they Europeans wouldn't eat it up. So if America were to go make stuff in Morocco, that just wouldn't be fair so I would be quite offended.

you apologized and left, as far as making it a procterate, that is not something the US has to honor at all.

Just in case anyone was wondering, I have returned from my three-day debate tournament. If you need to contact South Africa, or if I need to respond to something, TG me.

Just in case anyone was wondering, I have returned from my three-day debate tournament. If you need to contact South Africa, or if I need to respond to something, TG me.

Welcome back, Malkyer. How did your debate tournament go?

Although this is sort of a gimme considering I had him killed in WWI, Benito Mussolini will not be comming to power. Neither will fascists. So, in just a few days I will have to probably fabricate Italian names, as all the fascist goons will not be in government. Anyone know where I can find a website about Italian opposition to Mussolini?

Welcome back, Malkyer. How did your debate tournament go?

Not great, but not bad either. It was a national-level tournament, so the competition was a bit tougher that what one usually finds down here in NC.

A question of any of the Mods: Do we have to stick with historical politicians and leaders, or at some point can we begin to take some liberties with that (I'm planning something for the forties or fifties, but none of South Africa's RL political figures really fit the profile I need)?

Cross-Posted from French News Thread

Right-Wing Coup Crushed by Loyal Army Units; Martial Law Declared in France

In a stunning series of events, an attempted right-wing coup against the ruling Socilalist Party of France was crushed by loyal army units.

The Coup began on December 17th, 1921. Several army units under the command of Maxime Weygand and Phillipe Petain entered Paris inthe early morning and attempted to kill or capture key officials of the goernment. The conspirators murdered Édouard Depreux, the Minister of the Interior, as well as four members of parliament. Prime Minister Leon Blum recieved word of the coup from a loyalist army officer, Colonel Charles De Gaulle, and escaped his would-be assasins by jumping out of his bathroom window. He immediatly ordered De Gaulle to mobilize his troops and delay the disloyal army units in Paris until more loyal troops could arrive.

The rebels had siezed the Parliament Building, as well as several other key government buildings and Weygand declared a "Fourth French Republic".

However, the police of Paris had recieved word from Paul Ramidier, Minister of Justice who had also evaded his killers and fled to police headquarters. The police at the headquarters, armed only with rifles and other small-arms, barricaded themselves inside and held off disloyal army units attempting to storm the building.

Several volounteers carried word to other members of parliament and loyal army officers. In the meantime, De Gaulle had mobilized his Infantry Regiment and entered the city, clashing with rebel units. Outnumbered, he was forced to fall back after several hours of fighting.

By the next day, as loyal troops, supported by tanks and armored cars began to surround Paris, the citizens of Paris had realized something was happening. Word of the coup was spreading. The people themselves mobilzed. With the cry of "Aux barricades!" on the lips of many, the citizenry took to the streets, erecting barricades and arming themselves with whatever came to hand.

They effectively cut off the rebels from each other nad their commanders. As the morning wore on the Loyalists moved in, crushing the rebels as many threw down their arms and surrendered. Petain and Weygand were captured as they attempted to flee and were imprisoned.

As the fighting died down the final death-toll was counted. Twenty government officials had been killed by the rebels, as well as over five hundred loyalist troops. A dozen police officers ahd been killed in the fighitng and several dozen more wounded. Hundreds of civilians had been injured and over three dozen killed. The rebels had lost three hundred killed with countless wounded and over three thousand captured.

The Aftermath

Parliament re-convened the following day and immediatly established martial law through-out France until all the conspirators were brought to justice. Prime Minster Blum made a speech, thanking the citizens of Paris for standing by him and the government.

The decision was made to disband the rebel army units and disperse the men throughout the army. The higher-ranking officers, along with Weygand and Petain, will be put on trial within the next few moths and tried for treason against the state.

De Gaulle will be promoted to the rank of General de Division for his services and the police-men of Paris will be rewarded with the highest honor France can afford a civilian.

However, France remains under martial law as the other conspirators are hunted down and any remaning rebels arrested. Army units have begun policing the country and the situation is expected to last for several months.

Not great, but not bad either. It was a national-level tournament, so the competition was a bit tougher that what one usually finds down here in NC.

A question of any of the Mods: Do we have to stick with historical politicians and leaders, or at some point can we begin to take some liberties with that (I'm planning something for the forties or fifties, but none of South Africa's RL political figures really fit the profile I need)?

You can create any leader profile and such.

After all, in this alternate history, a lot of people who died in RL are still alive, and those who were alive in RL have died. This should mean that there are millions of people who have been born in this alternate history that were never born in our RL history, and vice versa.

Take my Prince Tuan for example. In RL he was executed in 1901, but in this timeline, he is going to have children, which means there's human lives in existence in E20 that never existed in RL. This situation is more pronounced with the brief WW 1 in E20, meaning millions of soldiers in E20 went hme, and there's millions of wives, mothers, girlfriends, sisters, etc. who never got "We regret to inform you" telegrams like they did in RL WW 1. Then these E20 soldiers have their children, then their children have their own children, and so on... its a ripple effect making the possibility of very different people in history, or even erasing some RL historical people due to their parents not meeting!

I don't think we're far enough to have E20 People have too much on an impact on the game yet. Most would only be in their teens. However, this will mean that in the 30-40s there are going to be lots of radical German Communists and radical anti-communist Americans who will impact policy a lot in the middle. That's when things, should we do it right, will get interesting. However, you can have random people who would be secretaries get promoted or whatever. Hell, I completely made up Brigadier General Manfred von Reichmann, just so I could have a scary SS-looking guy who drinks tea and has a monocle!

that won't be easy...Ethopia is Christian and has a history of not liking Moslems much. Morocco, not so sure about, I will look up attitudes toward Turks by the Moroccans.
I think some more research would be required before committing to this. I mean, Ethiopia might also appreciate a non-European power taking an interest in them, and their relations with Islam I think are more complex than flat-out antagonism, though I'm not positive about that. I'll do some digging, and see what I can come up with by tomorrow morning.

Did some preliminary research, and Ethiopia (since nobody's done anything there differently) would currently be ruled nominally by Empress Zauditu, but effectively by her regent Ras (Prince) Tafari Makonnen (later Emperor Haile Selassie). Tafari Makonnen is highly progressive and educated, though devout, and the Ethiopians in general seem to me to have been more motivated in their foreign relations by realistic political concerns than by narrower ethnic or confessional matters. Tafari, especially, seems like he was pretty smart. That's my take on it so far.

from what I remember, Salasie was British educated so he probably likes them somewhat. I am not an expert on Ethopian history though, and I have been too sick to look it up this weekend, so I will defer to Vas on this one.

Incidently, I did game out the invasion of Venezuela... by the way, the US invades Venezuela. Superior firepower make short work of the Venezulean Army and the Venezuelan Navy declines to committ suicide by sortieing against overwhelming strength off shore. They either scuttle or surrender.

Changed over the Year.
Russia and Romania will not be going to war.
And Moscow will issue a stern protest of American aggression in Venezuela.
Off to Work.

OOC: I would like to apologize for my lack of posting as of late.

I'm a Specialist(E-4) in the US Army stationed in the Virginia Beach Area, I am also a Military Police soldier and because of that I work Shift work, right now I'm on Swing shift (1300-2200 plus 1 hour for PT). And to make matters worse I do not own a computer(working on fixing that) so that I cannot get online except at the MWR Rec Center and pay to use the computers there. They are not open on Sunday so that is why I never have a sunday post.


One guy in my squad has been down with an injury and I've been working more lately. But he should be back soon and I'll be able to post more and make japan more interesting.

from what I remember, Salasie was British educated so he probably likes them somewhat. I am not an expert on Ethopian history though, and I have been too sick to look it up this weekend, so I will defer to Vas on this one.

Incidently, I did game out the invasion of Venezuela... by the way, the US invades Venezuela. Superior firepower make short work of the Venezulean Army and the Venezuelan Navy declines to committ suicide by sortieing against overwhelming strength off shore. They either scuttle or surrender.

What??! So Has Venezuela been invaded already?

Yup, Invaded Conquered Occupied.

well that was a bit harsh, hadn't Germany stood down and then BANG! America comes along and kills all those poor innocent Veniswaylarians (i give up on sp) and for what? Did it stop Communism? No, did it aid in the fight against Communism? No, was it a possible imperialistic maneuvar? Yes, will it come back to bite USA in the arse? Yes

well that was a bit harsh, hadn't Germany stood down and then BANG! America comes along and kills all those poor innocent Veniswaylarians (i give up on sp) and for what? Did it stop Communism? No, did it aid in the fight against Communism? No, was it a possible imperialistic maneuvar? Yes, will it come back to bite USA in the arse? Yes


Seconded.

Seconded.

Sorry guys, Commnista is my puppet.

Wait three questions. One it says I'm British controlled. Ukraine was granted Independence so I have them. Two what year is it my computer crashed and it took a week to boot back up. Everything erased :( . Finally what has happened since my dissaperance?

It's 1922, when did you vanish?

Wait three questions. One it says I'm British controlled. Ukraine was granted Independence so I have them. Two what year is it my computer crashed and it took a week to boot back up. Everything erased :( . Finally what has happened since my dissaperance?
I vanished a week ago and I'm Russian controlled not British sorry brain fart...any way I'm trying to get back in the swing of things. so what has happened. Ukraine should have a decent size military and a Dictator has risen. Damek Stayl

oki, i'm assuming you know about the 1908-20 time warp, after that it's pretty much been, Communist's do somthing, Capitolists view it wrong and declare war, Communist's stop war, but recently America invaded Venezuela after Germany said they were making it into a protectorate, the Germans then stood down in order to maintain international peace, the Americans then came along and invaded, that's the big fuss right now...

Alright for me it's a Economic strong point for Ukraine and they have raised at least a 35,000 man army because in the country there is like 10 million people at this point but the info is sketchy because it was Part of Russia untill 1991. One thing I do think we should keep the same is the Rwandan Civil-War in 1990-1993 as that would be major fun to RP and maybe not as many casualties...

One question: Will anybody help me make an Order of Battle for the Korean Armed Forces?

I will see what I can come up with Korea..

as far as the US invasion goes... if you had read the Venezuela Crisis thread it should not have been a surprise... the US began preparing 9 months ago to move. Patience about German meddling in the Western Hemisphere had been exhausted.

For the Latin American nations, the US won't say anything about it, and will simply acknowledge any protests it receives. Just be aware that economic action against the US will hurt the US a lot less than it hurts you. In 1920 only 9% of the US GNP was involved in trade, and little of it was in selling anything to Latin America. Most US trade was internal, or with Canada or Mexico, or oil and wheat being shipped overseas to Europe and Japan.

Your own advisors would tell you that. Technically the US has not violated the Pan American Treaty, as Venezuela never signed it.

as far as the US invasion goes... if you had read the Venezuela Crisis thread it should not have been a surprise... the US began preparing 9 months ago to move. Patience about German meddling in the Western Hemisphere had been exhausted.

Yeah in secret, we wern't privy to that information

For the Latin American nations, the US won't say anything about it, and will simply acknowledge any protests it receives. Just be aware that economic action against the US will hurt the US a lot less than it hurts you. In 1920 only 9% of the US GNP was involved in trade, and little of it was in selling anything to Latin America. Most US trade was internal, or with Canada or Mexico, or oil and wheat being shipped overseas to Europe and Japan.

you have lost some pretty powerful friends, and possibly pushed a few to the the Communist side

Technically the US has not violated the Pan American Treaty, as Venezuela never signed it.

would you feel the same if we invaded, say, Canada and then said "can't touch us we're in violation of no treaty!"

GB, what can I do to increase immigration to Australia?

I will see what I can come up with Korea..


Thanks! Any word on that thing I TG'ed ya about? Or will that have to wait?

Alright for me it's a Economic strong point for Ukraine and they have raised at least a 35,000 man army because in the country there is like 10 million people at this point but the info is sketchy because it was Part of Russia untill 1991. One thing I do think we should keep the same is the Rwandan Civil-War in 1990-1993 as that would be major fun to RP and maybe not as many casualties...
Zactarn, you got bumped for non-involvement and unrealism. Russia resumed control of Ukraine. If you want it back you'll have to reapply, and fix some problems with your RPing style.

GB, what can I do to increase immigration to Australia?

Galveston Bay, dittos for South Africa.

Yeah in secret, we wern't privy to that information

of course you weren't, but as a player you were

you have lost some pretty powerful friends, and possibly pushed a few to the the Communist side

I suppose we will have to see how it plays out, I have played the US consistently the entire game.. no European interference is allowed, and Germany and Venezuela were warned a decade ago.

would you feel the same if we invaded, say, Canada and then said "can't touch us we're in violation of no treaty!"

if that were possible I might have some concerns, but it isn't

Galveston Bay, dittos for South Africa.

chuckle... got me... I suppose more socialism in Europe might help, or a nasty war, or a Great Depression. Generally people flee because they have to, not because they want to. Depends how repressive the Socialists in Europe are and how easy it is to emigrate. I would guess most Germans (for example) would flee to Britain, American, Canada, South Africa, and Australia because the economies are strong, the climate it acceptable (from an European point of view) and you aren't likely to die of some awful tropical disease shortly after arrival.

Historically that is what the emigration pattern shows. Argentina was popular too.

Is there anything I can do though, try to get more immigrants to chose me over the other options you presented?

You could offer huge tracts of land . . .

OOC: I have a whole shitload of land to, so much isnt't being used.

IC: The Australian government has begun a large, unprecedented advertisement campaign across Europe looking for people to immigrate to Australia. Offices are being set up in major cities, especially in places like France the the Balkans were tensions are high, offering sizeable plots of land and a few animals to those willing to come, along with the option of choosing your land, and for those who do not wish to be farmers they are offered the chance to live in one of Australia's many cities, which are advertised as having much higher standards of living, and the chance to chose from an endless choice of different jobs. Furthermore the Australian government has offered to pay nearly half of the ticket to come over for any immigrants.

Australia has also begun contacting governments asking about the possibilities of sending over unwanted peoples such as dissidents or inmates.

Australia has also begun contacting governments asking about the possibilities of sending over unwanted peoples such as dissidents or inmates.

Trying to get in touch with your ancestors? :P

Sorry couldn't resist :P

hey could all of those that were interested in the corduba conference please go to it and post your guidelines for an alliance(not includeing observors) then we can begin drawing up a document and sigining it...this week i should be on at about 6pm EST every night mon-fri once again im sorry for being inactive for the past week but it was really hectic

Hey, whatever works. Between Australia, NZ and all the islands I own I have like 15 million people which isn't that much.

South Africa has announced that they will accept any immigrants seeking to escape the Communist domination of northern Eurasia. This includes Russians, Germans, Poles, and all other groups. The new immigrants will be allowed to apply for citizenship.

Though not mentioned officially, it is implied that South Africa will offer sanctuary to any rightists fleeing France after their failed coup d'etat.

Yet again, I reiterate: the Union is NOT the Soviet Union! We are a social democracy with Market Socialism, for now I think. But no, we don't repress anyone except American Imperialists *ahem* and spies. But we're a democracy. Like Venezuela WAS!

And I think Venezuela actually signed the Treaty. I will try to find and then you will be punished.

IC: Germany calls for all of South America to condemn America for the unprovoked attack on the democracy of Venezuela, not in the name of socialism, but in the interest of destroying imperialism.

Parthini']Yet again, I reiterate: the Union is NOT the Soviet Union! We are a social democracy with Market Socialism, for now I think. But no, we don't repress anyone except American Imperialists *ahem* and spies. But we're a democracy. Like Venezuela WAS!

OOC: I know you aren't the USSR, but that doesn't stop South Africa from hating all things resembling the Red Menace. Besides, it's propaganda. If that wasn't directed at me, then just ignore this.

Errr...

Wasn't I supposed to be made India?

Parthini']Yet again, I reiterate: the Union is NOT the Soviet Union! We are a social democracy with Market Socialism, for now I think. But no, we don't repress anyone except American Imperialists *ahem* and spies. But we're a democracy. Like Venezuela WAS!

And I think Venezuela actually signed the Treaty. I will try to find and then you will be punished.

IC: Germany calls for all of South America to condemn America for the unprovoked attack on the democracy of Venezuela, not in the name of socialism, but in the interest of destroying imperialism.

nope, you urged them to sign the treaty, but I kicked out the Venezuelan diplomats and broke off relations before they could have done so.

The Ottoman Government is being to send 100,000 Greeks to Australia, the Australian government has agree to pay for the transportion of these people to their new homes.

nope, you urged them to sign the treaty, but I kicked out the Venezuelan diplomats and broke off relations before they could have done so.
That's awesome.

Errr...

Wasn't I supposed to be made India?

VP, please address this, as I would like to have TLS part of this RP. I've read some of TLS RP's and he's pretty good. :)

Alright, TLS should TG Hrstrovokia the News/Diplomatic Thread Link for whatever Indian self-determination thing he's starting, but I'll update the names in the Main Post tonight.

The Ottoman Government is being to send 100,000 Greeks to Australia, the Australian government has agree to pay for the transportion of these people to their new homes.

ooc
please send the Greek player a telegram about that... I would assume that would piss the Greeks off immensely, and he indicated he has a busy life and sometimes take a couple of days to notice what is going on Greece might go crying to the Russians about it. You would be much better off keeping ethnic cleansing limited to the Armenians and Kurds, they don't have a big brother who is willing to protect them.

Otherwise, assume the Greeks do complain to the Russians, and well the Russians might or might not do something about it.

Who are these Greeks, anyway? Where did they come from? Not from Greece, obviously . . .
Truth to tell, though, I doubt that the New Russia would care overmuch. The Turks remain good allies, and the old ties of religion with Greece are broken. Moscow would protest the inhumanity, but intervention would be more likely to come from Britain.
It probably would alienate Ethiopia, though, if the Turks are still looking into that. The Ethiopians are Orthodox, after all.

Who are these Greeks, anyway? Where did they come from? Not from Greece, obviously . . .
Truth to tell, though, I doubt that the New Russia would care overmuch. The Turks remain good allies, and the old ties of religion with Greece are broken. Moscow would protest the inhumanity, but intervention would be more likely to come from Britain.
It probably would alienate Ethiopia, though, if the Turks are still looking into that. The Ethiopians are Orthodox, after all.

the Greeks live in western Turkey and Cyprus and have been there since Helen of Troy was an issue. Historically they got kicked out of western Turkey by Kemel Attaturk in the 1920s, but they remain in Cyprus and thats the reason the Turks and Greeks don't like each other much to this day. We are talking a sizeable number, a million plus.

Ethopia is Coptic, Greece is Orthodox, and I have no idea what the real differences are, comparative Religion is not one of my fields, but it has something to do with isolation (of Ethopia) and views on the Saints and Icons.

Comparative religion is one of my fields. Trust me, the Ethiopians are Orthodox. Egyptians (the Christian ones) are Coptic. I think the Ethiopians may have been Coptic once (I'd have to actually check my books for that), but not for at least a century or more.
And thanks for the info on the Anatolian Greeks. I guess I figured they all just got assimilated with the fall of Byzantium or something.

OOC:

I've been inspired by my trip into Boston today. I'd like to know what kinds of civilian stuff that my China can do now in 1920 - 1930's?

1. What is the current state of my education system? I've been trying to reform it to match the one used by the USA (elementary schools, middle schools, high schools, and colleges / universities).

2. When can China build subways in all of its major cities? IIRC, the world's very first subway eas established in Boston (my hometown) in 1901 or so.

3. What can China build in terms of hospitals, sewage systems, high rise skycrapers, etc.? IIRC, the Empre State Building was built in 1930 - 1935, correct?

4. What about electricity power plants?

5. Is there any other major civilian improvements that should be done by China?

To be honest, I'm not exactly sure what kind of civilian stuff that China can build (or any 1920's civilian stuff worldwide). I'm trying to do these 5 things to help improve Chinese economy, living standards, and develop mass transportation systems.

Bump for response or feedback on my questions.

Can I have a summary of what's gone on so far?

After all, I need this kinda knowledge for what I've got planned (Whatever happens to thar Ottomans and the Brits is prolly most important: The Ottomans because I have about 70 million Muslims in my country, and the Brits because I'm control by the Brits).

Can I have a summary of what's gone on so far?

After all, I need this kinda knowledge for what I've got planned (Whatever happens to thar Ottomans and the Brits is prolly most important: The Ottomans because I have about 70 million Muslims in my country, and the Brits because I'm control by the Brits).
One I am the Ottomans and we are still kicking.

Now for GB, I am not pointing a gun at these Greeks so to speak, I am just offering them new homes in Australian government has , where they can get good amounts of land. I am do not plan to do mass killings, I should have clear this up, its just that the Australian Government began offering lands for settlements and what best to send all those Greeks over there.

One I am the Ottomans and we are still kicking.

Now for GB, I am not pointing a gun at these Greeks so to speak, I am just offering them new homes in Australian government has , where they can get good amounts of land. I am do not plan to do mass killings, I should have clear this up, its just that the Australian Government began offering lands for settlements and what best to send all those Greeks over there.

That's ALL That has happened in the past 21 game years?

Wow, what a boring 2 decades :)

That's ALL That has happened in the past 21 game years?

Wow, what a boring 2 decades :)

Actually, if you read all the revelant threads, such as the Great War, the tensions between Germany and USA over Venezeula, China's actions regarding Indochina, the Boer War, etc.

You will find that E20 has been quite active and intensive.

Actually, if you read all the revelant threads, such as the Great War, the tensions between Germany and USA over Venezeula, China's actions regarding Indochina, the Boer War, etc.

You will find that E20 has been quite active and intensive.

Unfortunatly, I don't have hours of time to read that stuff.

That's why I asked for a summary, you see.

Great War:

Basically I, Austria-Hungary invaded Moldivia and started a massive war: Italy, Portugual, Austria-Hungary, France vrs. Russia, Germany, Romania, Ottoman Empire. I got my ass handed to me on a platter and in the end Austria was given to Germany, many of the RL nations that were founded after the RL collapse of AH were founded though Hungary has stayed bigger.

Russia and Germany are communist (the two main ones) and thats all I can think of without thinking to hard.

Unfortunatly, I don't have hours of time to read that stuff.

That's why I asked for a summary, you see.
Good luck finding somebody with hours of time to write it for you.

Good luck finding somebody with hours of time to write it for you.

THAT LONG?!?!

Wow...

I don't see myself posting an India post for a while...

I can't even FIND where those threads I have to read ARE...

*Sigh*

THAT LONG?!?!

Wow...

I don't see myself posting an India post for a while...

I can't even FIND where those threads I have to read ARE...

*Sigh*
Check the Diplomatic Links at the First Post.
We do need an official historian, actually, but we're all too occupied.

Announcement: The Peace Exhibition in Tokyo will be held from June to October of 1922...
Several Nations have sent support and are hosting pavillions as well as helping with the event. The TCFIPE sends invitations to every nation in the World to attend...and establish a place in the world.

Originally Posted by Sharina
OOC:

I've been inspired by my trip into Boston today. I'd like to know what kinds of civilian stuff that my China can do now in 1920 - 1930's?

1. What is the current state of my education system? I've been trying to reform it to match the one used by the USA (elementary schools, middle schools, high schools, and colleges / universities).

2. When can China build subways in all of its major cities? IIRC, the world's very first subway eas established in Boston (my hometown) in 1901 or so.

3. What can China build in terms of hospitals, sewage systems, high rise skycrapers, etc.? IIRC, the Empre State Building was built in 1930 - 1935, correct?

4. What about electricity power plants?

5. Is there any other major civilian improvements that should be done by China?

To be honest, I'm not exactly sure what kind of civilian stuff that China can build (or any 1920's civilian stuff worldwide). I'm trying to do these 5 things to help improve Chinese economy, living standards, and develop mass transportation systems.

(Sigh) Still waiting for responses to these.

Should I create a 2nd Chinese thread? My Dragon one is mainly for diplomacy, history, and factbooks. Should I create a new thread just for Chinese improvement projects, military build projects, etc. for year-to-year?

(Sigh) Still waiting for responses to these.

Should I create a 2nd Chinese thread? My Dragon one is mainly for diplomacy, history, and factbooks. Should I create a new thread just for Chinese improvement projects, military build projects, etc. for year-to-year?

thats a lot of research, and I simply haven't gotten to it yet... skyscrapers are possible, and they certainly exist in Shanghai by now at the International Settlement. I assume you can build subways, thats even available at tech level 4. Electrical power plants are available at tech level 5. Hospitals are easy enough to build, and you can simply use the various missionary hospitals as a start. Education is making progress.. your population is as literate as the Russian population, perhaps more, because learning is very respected in China... although that is still a illiteracy rate that is pretty high, especially in the rural peasant regions.

THAT LONG?!?!

Wow...

I don't see myself posting an India post for a while...

I can't even FIND where those threads I have to read ARE...

*Sigh*

do a search under "galveston bay", I have posted at least once in nearly all the threads at one time or another.

thats a lot of research, and I simply haven't gotten to it yet... skyscrapers are possible, and they certainly exist in Shanghai by now at the International Settlement. I assume you can build subways, thats even available at tech level 4. Electrical power plants are available at tech level 5. Hospitals are easy enough to build, and you can simply use the various missionary hospitals as a start. Education is making progress.. your population is as literate as the Russian population, perhaps more, because learning is very respected in China... although that is still a illiteracy rate that is pretty high, especially in the rural peasant regions.

Thanks, GB. I appreciate you giving me some answers, even though you have your hands full with lots of research, RL life, and stuff.

I think I'm able to build electric power plants- Britain had exported electrical producing machinery to China, and China probably can start building electrical power plants. I could make coal power plants, as China has good amount of coal.

Then with the construction of electrical power plants (Coal power to start with), then I can have electricty to operate subways.

What can I do to continue to increase Chinese literacy rates? I have been looking at two possible options. First, build more schools in rural areas, sort of a "hub" where kids from surrounding tiny villages or farm go to school in a "hub" town. Second, build a subway or mass transit system in rural areas so that the kids can go on the trains or buses to schools in the cities (or bus travel from tiny villages to a "central" village with a school and hospital).

The skycrapers I had in mind were more like 10-20 floor brick or limestone apartments to help housing of the large Chinese populations. This means more Chinese people will be able to live comfortably in cities, without living in slums or inside alleyways.

your population is as literate as the Russian population, perhaps more, because learning is very respected in China... although that is still a illiteracy rate that is pretty high, especially in the rural peasant regions.
Chinese literacy is seriously hampered by the specifics of the Chinese writing system. I dispute that Chinese literacy could be as widespread as Russian. I speak and read both, and have studied both cultures pretty extensively, so it's not just some kind of Soviet ego talking on my part.
It is a lot of research, and of course most of us are pretty concerned about our own projects . . . My own thoughts are:

Originally Posted by Sharina

1. What is the current state of my education system? I've been trying to reform it to match the one used by the USA (elementary schools, middle schools, high schools, and colleges / universities).

My comments on literacy aside (and they still stand), China's education system is probably pretty good by world standards, especially for primary schools. Colleges are likely to still be too conservative in many respects to be as good. This would be in keeping with China's educational system today (primary schools vastly superior to American, universities censored and hidebound).

2. When can China build subways in all of its major cities? IIRC, the world's very first subway was established in Boston (my hometown) in 1901 or so.

Beijing, Shanghai, and Wuhan probably have mass transit networks by now. Most other places probably still lack a good enough infrastructure, though some other cities may have at least skeletal transit systems.

3. What can China build in terms of hospitals, sewage systems, high rise skyscrapers, etc.? IIRC, the Empre State Building was built in 1930 - 1935, correct?

China was historically very good with urban planning. I'd go with Galveston's comments on this, adding that sewage, garbage, and water systems are probably of reasonably high standards but also seriously overtaxed by a long Chinese tradition of not giving a damn about a mess outside the house. You'll probably want some kind of public education initiative to counteract that.

4. What about electricity power plants?

You're probably lagging in that area, but making progress, especially in the coastal cities and the capital.

5. Is there any other major civilian improvements that should be done by China?

I'd recommend a telegraph system, at least, and telephones. For government offices if nothing else. If I think of anything else I'll let you know.

Chinese literacy is seriously hampered by the specifics of the Chinese writing system. I dispute that Chinese literacy could be as widespread as Russian. I speak and read both, and have studied both cultures pretty extensively, so it's not just some kind of Soviet ego talking on my part.

Hmm... Japan has similiar writing to Chinese with calligraphs and symbols, yet the Japanese people are nearly 100% literate.

I also recall that there were efforts by China to create a simplified symbol system. Is this true?

My comments on literacy aside (and they still stand), China's education system is probably pretty good by world standards, especially for primary schools. Colleges are likely to still be too conservative in many respects to be as good. This would be in keeping with China's educational system today (primary schools vastly superior to American, universities censored and hidebound).

Interesting- However, my China isn't communist or oppressive, therefore universities aren't censored or hidebound.

Beijing, Shanghai, and Wuhan probably have mass transit networks by now. Most other places probably still lack a good enough infrastructure, though some other cities may have at least skeletal transit systems.

Understood. I want to construct extensive mass transit systems in every major Chinese city, mostly to give ease-of-travel to China's massive populace. I want to give the Chinese populace good opporunities to travel between their rural towns and urban cities, which should allow Chinese people to buy manufactured goods and consumer goods in the cities. This also should allow for the "Suburbia" lifestyle to develop in China.

I want to try to finish the "Massive Mass Transpotation Project" by 1930 or 1935 at the latest, with improvements to come in the future (like faster trains, more efficient subways, bigger buses, etc.)

A good analogy would be to transform all major Chinese cities into the equalivent of 1920's Chicago, New York City, or Boston.

China was historically very good with urban planning. I'd go with Galveston's comments on this, adding that sewage, garbage, and water systems are probably of reasonably high standards but also seriously overtaxed by a long Chinese tradition of not giving a damn about a mess outside the house. You'll probably want some kind of public education initiative to counteract that.

I can remedy the "not giving a damn about outside mess" by 1930 with education and such.

As for the urban planning, I wanted to construct 10 to 20 floor apartments in every Chinese city so that there will be ample room for Chinese people to live and house China's large populace. I probably won't build New York City type of skycrapers (50+ floors tall) until 1935 or later, once the apartments are built, mass transportation networks are laid down, and Chinese people are more used to urban lifestyles.

You're probably lagging in that area, but making progress, especially in the coastal cities and the capital.

I forgot to add that China has the world's largest potential for hydroelectric power according to the CIA factbook. I could build hydroelectric dams and such on the Yangtze and Yellow rivers, which should help control the Yangtze floods and help irrigation of farmlands.

Having the world's largest renewable energy source (hydro power) wouldn't hurt, as it could supplement Chinese coal power plants when they both are built.

How feasible is hydroelectric dams and power generation in the 1920's? Or should I just build the dams now, then install hydroelectric generators by the 1930's or 1940's?

I'd recommend a telegraph system, at least, and telephones. For government offices if nothing else. If I think of anything else I'll let you know.

Thanks, I'll get right on it.



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Should I go ahead and create a 2nd Chinese thread in where I state China's ongoing projects year-by-year? MY Dragon thread is mainly for diplomacy, factbook, and history. It'd be too confusing if I also included Chinese projects in there.

Two things:

Hmm... Japan has similiar writing to Chinese with calligraphs and symbols, yet the Japanese people are nearly 100% literate.

I also recall that there were efforts by China to create a simplified symbol system. Is this true?

I also studied Japanese. And actually, the writing systems are extremely different. Japanese uses a lot of the same characters (called Kanji, from the Chinese Hanzi), but it also has two phonetic syllabaries, as well. They only work for Japanese, and the combination of the three writing systems is actually far more efficient in practice than any of them would be alone, because they use both ideographs and phonetic systems, which speeds the learning process for the former by employing the latter.
That's literally impossible to do with Chinese, though, because Chinese has no morphology and thousands of homophones that phonetically indistinguishable.
There are a couple of things you may be referring to with the "simplified symbol system." One could be the reforms adopted by the Communists after the Revolution, which are the ideograms used by Mainland China today. It helped, and if I recall correctly the system's origins were Republican Era, so there's probably something around you can use for that. But it's not a big difference.
The other thing would be the Pinyin Romanization, which is a native Chinese phonetic system using the Roman alphabet. The problem is, as I mentioned, the homophones (not to mention the different "dialects" - indistinguishable written, and mutually unintelligible spoken). A phonetic writing system just doesn't work for Chinese as well as the ideographic. Literacy is always going to have more problems for China than anywhere else.

Interesting- However, my China isn't communist or oppressive, therefore universities aren't censored or hidebound.
Confucianism was just as bad about censorship and oppression than Communism, and far worse about being hidebound. Where do you think the Reds got it from?
If you relax controls on Universities, you'll find you develop a serious problem with liberals, radicals, and revolutionaries. In other words, people will start demanding democracy. I mean, they already are. I know your Empire is more popular than the historical one, but still . . . it's authoritarian, and educated and well-rounded people will often object to that in principle. It's a trade-off.

I have to agree with Vas on the universities.. as the middle class grows, its going to be less tolerant about letting worthless (from their viewpoint) nobles have any voice in things. Historically in Europe the Kings put the nobles to work in the army, and that can be done here, and then the Kings put the middle class to work as his bueracrats, which the Mandarins do in China. But as education grows, the Mandarins are going to start wondering why the need that Emperor anyway.

Add in the trading classes, who are actually running your industry, who see wealth in production instead of land, and you have the makings of revolution similar to the English Revolution. Nobles and Kings aren't very good at running the economy for long. The bright ones eventually die and are replaced by the traditional blind idiots of tradition.

Then we have the university students who are learning just enough to be dangerous ... things like Marxism, Socialism, Democracy, Constitutions..

Historically these students led revolts in the cities that were brutally crushed by the Nationalist government in the early 1920s, which opened the way for Mao and his ideas about basing the revolution on the peasants.

The transition from Divine Right of Kings to more popular governments is pretty tricky. But capitalism or socialism doesn't work efficiently without a Middle class, and they aren't going to settle for taking a backseat to the nobles and emperor forever. The US got lucky, even the British had nearly a century of turmoil before developing a stable system.

So you either have very hidebound unversities that provide technical and specific learning that is somewhat limited, or seedbeds of revolution.

In short, China is just aching for a revolution as it becomes more 'modern' and industrialized.

Okay, I appreciate all your feedback and discussion regarding education and Chinese language.

I have two questions for you guys.

1. What can be done to help reduce the complexity of the Chinese language for the sake of education and literacy? Or would it be better to maintain the Chinese language so to stymize spying, espionage, and foreign intelligence services?

2. I think I have a solution for the revolution stuff. Here goes...

My Emperor introduces semi-democracy, in which the Chinese people establish their own policies at the local level. Chinese officials (Mayor, Treasurer, Secretary, etc.) are to be elected for each village, town, city, and metropolitan areas. Local laws are to be passed or repealed through a 60% majority within each town and village.

However, the Emperor remains the leader of China, and the well-educated Imperial Family / nobles will oversee each province of China as it has 20 provinces or so, I believe. This would be similiar to Governors in the USA governing the USA's 50 states. Any democratically passed law can be overturned by the Emperor should it go aganist the best interest of China (very similiar to the USA President's veto, but in this instance, the veto is absoulete, cannot be overrided by a 2/3 majority). In addition, all diplomacy will be done by the Imperial Family or those that the Imperials trust.

The military will NOT be controlled by the Chinese people or the semi-democracy. The Imperial Family will be in command of the military, and the Emperor has the final say in military matters. This would be similiar to the USA President's role as "Commander in Chief of all USA Armed Forces" but in China's instance, the Emperor's orders cannot be questioned, overriden, or held up in Congress unlike what happens in the USA regarding military matters.

This will give the Chinese people more political freedom, keeps bureaucracy at a minimum, ensures there is no interference with vital and important matters of state (Military and diplomacy), and keeps politics to a minimum to prevent one side from blocking a strategically or economically vital law or decree from passing (Like in the USA, the Republicans try to pass pro-business laws but can't get them passed because of the Democrats).

What I mean by "Keeping politics to a minimum" means... Suppose China needs to pass a decree for constructing several hydroelectric dams. Under a full democracy, the pro-business Chinese Party will demand the decree to be passed, while the liberals and enviromentalists block the decree through a majority vote. Consquently, China will not have hydroelectric power, and at a cruical point, the lack of power would have a serious effect aganist China (in a war for instance), then China suffers. However, if the Emperor passes the decree with there being no "Congress" of Republicans or Democrats, then the dams will be built. The dams will provide China with enough electricty to overcome the "cruical point" and then China will not suffer.

This will provide the Chinese people with the illusion of democracy, while allowing the Emperor and Imperial Family to remain in power.

I guess what I'm going for is a Imperial Democracy (blend of Imperial rule and local level democracy).

Japan, you are about to suffer a really nasty natural disaster in 1923... the Tokyo Earthquake (death toll 100,000 estimated)

http://mnw.eas.slu.edu/Earthquake_Center/1923EQ/

China, the political structure is workable, and will stave off revolution, but will have serious vulnerabilities long term. The people who best understand the economy aren't running it, so in the event of a major depression or boom, or major war, some flaws are going to come up. On the other hand, economics as a science is still in its infancy anyway nearly everywhere else.

Japan, you are about to suffer a really nasty natural disaster in 1923... the Tokyo Earthquake (death toll 100,000 estimated)

http://mnw.eas.slu.edu/Earthquake_Center/1923EQ/

China, the political structure is workable, and will stave off revolution, but will have serious vulnerabilities long term. The people who best understand the economy aren't running it, so in the event of a major depression or boom, or major war, some flaws are going to come up. On the other hand, economics as a science is still in its infancy anyway nearly everywhere else.

Understood. I'd like to discuss feasible ways to maintain my Imperial Family through the 20th Century, while allowing democracy to exist in China. I don't want to have China become a clone of the USA, you know? I want to explore the ancient Chinese tradition of an Imperial Dynasty continuing into modern times. Its one reason why I chose China in the first place, as I wanted to have something akin to a Han or Ming Dynasty in MT times. If I abolish the Imperial Family and the Emperor, then it'll take quite a bit of the fun out of playing China.

Would you be willing to help me hammer out the specifics of my "Imperial Democracy" government, particular flaws, and possible solutions to these flaws (should they happen). Feel free to TG me your e-mail address if you're willing to help me out in this regard, then we can discuss this via e-mail.

IIRC, the world's very first subway was established in Boston (my hometown) in 1901 or so.

Sorry to have to steal this from you Bostonians but I think we Brits built one before you. I quote from http://metro.biography.ms/

The Metropolitan Railway, the world's first underground railway, opened on 10 January 1863. The tunnels were punctuated with ventilation shafts at regular intervals to allow the steam to escape, although smoke and fumes were an ongoing problem until the complete conversion to electricity in 1905.

It's still the first Subway outside Europe though!

Anyway, as to Chian I still think that an educated populace wouldn't stand for an Emperor for too long and will begin to demand reforms etc. even if the new system is established. Probably will hold off the effects for a while though, but an educated populace isn't likely to settle for a partial democracy.

Japan, you are about to suffer a really nasty natural disaster in 1923... the Tokyo Earthquake (death toll 100,000 estimated)

http://mnw.eas.slu.edu/Earthquake_Center/1923EQ/

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Well shit.

Well shit.
LOL, straight to signature.

LOL, straight to signature.

damn beat me to it :P

The basic idea is that people pick a nationstate at the turn of the 20th century on Earth (or anytime in play), it can be any country which existed at that time or stateless people. You take on the real world demographics of that nation, your NS personas are left behind - only technologies that existed at the time are allowed. It's similar to the "A Modern World" group.

An in-depth & accurate knowledge of History is preferable but not required.

You decide the fates of millions and alter the course of history as you lead your chosen people to 2000. Make war. Make peace. Build an Empire or throw one away. Long story short, the nation that enters the year 2000 as the most powerful wins. Then we go into the future, like Sid Meier's "Civilisation" series.

Anyone who's interested in playing should read the following "Main Post" thoroughly; this post is updated at least once a week, and new rules and policies will be posted here, as well.

Involvement Rule
I'm totally aware that people led separate lives away from Nationstates, and have other projects in NS, but I, along with all of you, would appreciate that people be as active as possible in E20 and not badly neglect it. If I feel someone isnt putting in enough appearances, I reserve the right to dismiss them.

I think its only fair to everyone else. If your not taking part in an rp which requires your involvement, not posting at least three times a week (this is especially true for Great Powers and, should any arise, Superpowers), then I'm going to issue a warning. If you've got a decent reason, I'll understand, we all will. If someone is trying to to interact with your country and you're ignoring them, I'll issue a total of 3 warnings to Great Powers. Anybody else gets 1 warning if somebody wants your country and I haven't seen you post anything for more than a couple of weeks. After that, the nation will be declared vacant and assumed to be in a state of anarchy until somebody else takes residence.

Technology and Industrialization
I've seen a lot of interest by people in accelerated technological development-things like advanced engines and heavy armor, tanks in 1904, jet fighters in the '30's, that kind of stuff. As I see it, the main problem with this is the underlying assumption that technological advancement in the Twentieth Century did not proceed as quickly as it could have.
This is a questionable assumption, at best. Even the dissemination of advanced technology requires a highly-developed industrial infrastructure and economy, not to mention a top-notch educational system and loads of venture-capital, in the receiving nation in order to support research and production.
In general, therefore, players ought to consider themselves limited to the contemporary technologies of their chosen state. Research and development, as well as industrial espionage and highly-focussed modernization programs, can change that, but remember a few things:
Anything experimental is going to be unreliable (especially in battlefield conditions).
Any advanced design requires an equally advanced economy in order to construct it. Anybody can use an assault rifle, but machining the parts to the necessarily high tolerances is only possible with a skilled, motivated workforce at every level of manufacture, from ore extraction to finished production.
Don't expect your research to bear fruit for several years. At best. It takes a long time to go from the drawing-board to field testing to production, especially for newly-industrializing states.
More discussion on these issues can be found at the Economics Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9077694#post9077694).

Realism Policy
Good role-playing is enforceable. Historical accuracy and plausibility are critical to making this project work. It's very demanding, but for a lot of us the rewards are equally great. If you're looking for something casual or silly, though, this ain't it. Some things to remember:
If you're playing a democracy, you shouldn't stray too far from actual history when promoting your policies. If a government in Britain, the United states, or France makes a hugely unpopular decision, they're apt to be voted out at the next elections (and possibly given to another player). Massive protests and general strikes against unpopular policies are likely even in constitutional autocracies like Germany.
In serious autocracies like Russia and Persia, you see violent Revolutions (in this case, enacted by the Mods to boot you out).
Study your chosen nation's history closely. If what you want to do is totally incompatible with what was actually going on (like, say, a sudden Fascist coup in Canada), you ought to choose another nation more consistent with your interests. You may be replaced after being issued a warning.
Another thing that people want a lot of is Revolutions. Nationalist uprisings against Imperial Powers occur all the time, especially in Asia and Africa, the Balkans, and the Middle East. In Europe, however, it would best if people bore in mind that in Russia, for instance, the only state where a radical revolution was historically successful in the Modern Era, Leftist agitation, insurrection, and terrorism had been going for nearly forty years by the time of the February and October Revolutions of 1917, and that it was finally precipitated only by a national catastrophe, which also enabled its success. Just saying, "Marxists and Anarchists seize power in <Capital City>!" is lame and unconvincing. If you're going to have a major transfer of power, understand that the groundwork has to be laid over decades, government troops and other conservative forces always have the edge, and you have to make it plausible. There are solid historical reasons why the Communists never took over Holland. Learn what those reasons are, if you want a Communist Netherlands, and figure out how the Reds could have made their case to the Dutch more effectively.

War
All declared wars and insurrections must be brought to the attention of both your opponent and the War Moderator. I know it seems obvious, but a lot of people seem to think that just an "ATTN: <Blank>" line in the Thread title and a few "Bumps" is enough. Not here. Telegram them first, and post the Link here, as well. If they're just not paying attention, the Moderators will issue a ruling on their noninvolvement.
The War Moderator is Galveston Bay. He has no deputies as of the present time. He should be notified of all conflicts, and his advice should be heeded as his rulings are final (no appeal). In major conflicts, he has a computer program to handle divisional combat, and the right to assume full responsibility for posting all battle results. In such cases you telegram him your strategies and he plugs them into his machine and lots of people die. As always, the War Moderator's rulings are final.

Time
A new year begins every Monday and lasts a week, except when nothing is going on and we agree to skip ahead.

The Current Year is 1922

Calendar Reference:
Mon - Jan/Feb
Tue - Mar/Apr
Wed - May/June
Thu - July
Fri - Aug
Sat - Sep/Oct
Sun - Nov/Dec

Summer is prolonged because, in the early years especially, weather exercises a profound impact on warfare. Campaigns usually abated, or at least eased, during the winter months.

Moderators
All Moderators are qualified to issue rulings, but those of Sharina are always final, except in the event of a conflict of interest, whereupon the decision devolves to Hrstrovokia or Galveston Bay. The Moderators are:
Sharina - Supreme Chief Moderator
Hrstrovokia (aka Vas Pokhoronim) - Deputy Chief Moderator, Chief Administrative Moderator, Chief Reality Moderator, Economic Moderator, Deputy Technology Moderator
Galveston Bay (aka New Shiron) - Chief Economic Moderator, Chief War Moderator, Chief Technology Moderator
Lesser Ribena - Economic Moderator
Fluffywuffy - Economic Moderator

Players
Unconfirmed but interested players may telegram me--the thread is getting way too long to be checking back all the time for posts saying "Hey, Can I Be <Blank>?" So don't do it, 'cause I'll ignore you.
Also, existing and new countries whose New/Diplomatic links are not listed here should telegram me with those. As I say, the thread is getting too unwieldy to effectively be checking for that kind of thing.
Questions, comments, and problems may be directed either to Hrstrovokia or Sharina, either here or by telegram.
The accepted method for commencing play is to start a "News/Diplomatic Thread," where the major events and policies of your chosen E20 nation, as well as its diplomatic correspondence, may be posted. As with applications, links should be telegrammed to Hrstrovokia, so I can edit it in to this post below.

* Denotes stateless peoples who have not yet achieved nationhood.
? Indicates probationary status for noninvolvement.
Underscores indicate a link to a nation's News/Diplomatic Thread

North America
United States (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432822) [Galveston Bay]
Central America
?Cuba [Zackaroth]
Haiti (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=445120) [Sel Appa]
Mexico (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=440757) [Yuwait]
South America
Argentina (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428748) [Manarth]
Bolivia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443200) [Danard]
Brazil (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9358252#post9358252post9358252) [Gintonpar]
Chile (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429083) [West Cedarbrook]
Colombia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429731) [Artitsa]
Ecuador (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442943) [Comstan]
Zion (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=439437) [Spooty]
Europe
Albania (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9576332#post9576332) [Amestria]
Belgium (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9307294#post9307294) [Lachenburg]
Bulgaria (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9324837#post9324837) [Kirstiriera]
Burgundy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=441245) [Empire Napoleonien]
Czechoslovakia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433192) [NPC]
Denmark (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=438444) [Moorington]
France (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9450691#post9450691) [Jensai]
Germany (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430824) [Parthini]
Great Britain (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431379&page=1&pp=15) [Lesser Ribena]
Greece (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=443446) [Scoyle]
Hungary (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428581) [Kordo] (Not a Current Link)
Italy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433635) [Fluffywuffy]
?The Netherlands [---Zeon---]
Norway [Athens-Sparta]
Poland (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9176792)* [NPC: Controlled by Russia and Germany]
Portugal (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9395927#post9395927post9395927) [Pacificanopia]
Romania (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433693) [Abbassia]
Russia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432096) [Vas Pokhoronim]
Spain (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432678) [Philanchez]
Sweden (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=439867) [Verdant Archipelago]
Ukraine (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=436163) [NPC: Controlled by Russia]
Yugoslavia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9537735#post9537735 )
[i]Middle East
Ottoman Empire (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432383) [Ottoman Khaif]
Palestine (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9495890) [Rodenka]
Persia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9149795) [Ottoman-ruled]
Africa
South Africa (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=435350) [Malkyer] (British Dominion)
Asia[/b]
China (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432834) [Sharina]
India [The Lightning Star]
Japan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431809) [Of the council of clan]
Korea (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9150938) [New Dornalia]
Vietnam (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430089) [NPC]
Oceania
Australia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429491) [Safehaven2/AltAus] (British Dominion)

Map of Europe for 1900 (http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1900.htm)
World Map for 1900 (http://www.warandpeace.agnostos-theos.net/maps/imperialism.GIF)
List of Colonial Possessions (Posted and Updated by Lesser Ribena) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9136878#post9136878)


That is officially the longest post I've ever seen. Until when I click 'Submit reply' and see this one, which is slightly longer.

China and Russia have had some nasty stuff happen too.

http://www.disastercenter.com/disaster/TOP100K.html

It seems that Ireland is still untaken by a player...? Could it be the time for brave old IRA to step in and start to raise some serious liberation thingy, hmmm?

we all forgot the Influenza Epidemic, in 1920, that killed over 20 mill worldwide.

I can't remember who but somone suggested a history thread, so i'm gonna try the monumental task of sorting the E20 History, wish me luck...

(unless it's been done already in which case mine'll be better)

Nah, we discussed the Influenza Epidemic at the end of our own Great War, and the Mods determined that didn't happen (don't blame me, I voted for it).
That famine of mine in 1932 was man-made (Collectivization, essentially). But the Drought sure looks ugly. Thanks for calling my attention to it.
Figure all my foreign initiatives are going to be suspended for the rest of the year while I deal with it. It sucks, but I should at least be able to bring down the death toll by doing something the Soviets never would have. You know, caring.
What forces I don't have guarding the Far East will be mobilized for famine relief and population relocation, if necessary. We'll start building absurd emergency irrigation projects, as well. And buy up grain for emergency distribution from various Eastern European sources (like Hungary, Yugoslavia, Romania, and maybe even Albania) and from the Ottomans and Brazilians. If necessary, as it probably will be, we'll ask the French for loans. Whatever assistance Germany can provide will be appreciated, as well.

I can't remember who but somone suggested a history thread, so i'm gonna try the monumental task of sorting the E20 History, wish me luck...

(unless it's been done already in which case mine'll be better)
And Thanks. I'll name you as Official Historian. Perks to be determined.

oki change of plans, rather than me sift through the search year by year if you could all like either post up in this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=445466) or TG me with events which have shaped the world, i'll continue with this method as not to make me look like a slacker

The Drought in Ukraine actually began in 1921, and it lasted until 1923. The Famine, historically, started almost immediately because grain reserves had been requisitioned in their entirety during Russia's (historical) Civil War.
Since this Timeline's Russian Civil War ended years ago, casualties probably haven't started yet. However, the government will still be very concerned and is declaring a state of emergency, with the projects and responses that I've outlined above.

Ok, I want to contest everyone dissing the Chinese Language.

While characters are different, they aren't all together so much different than learning big long words by looking at the roots. Granted, I've only taken Chinese I and characters haven't gotten past 20 strokes, and I use simplified (Which Sharina might consider using. Mao used it so Mainland China uses Simplified while Taiwan uses Traditional), Chinese isn't that hard. There are radicals and then additional strokes are added on to make it more complex. Ex: The woman radical, when put together with a boy radical, makes good, because a woman having a boy is good.

However, unless you already have, you are going to have to standardize and decide (probably Mandarin) what you want to have taught as the main dialect.

And speaking isn't that hard. It's just *us* Indo-Europeans don't use some parts of the mouth for that stuff. However, it is distinguishable. So don't worry about having Chinese be hard to be taught. In some ways English is harder...

China and Russia have had some nasty stuff happen too.

http://www.disastercenter.com/disaster/TOP100K.html

Most of the natural disasters that will happen to China between 1925 - 1935 are floods and a couple of earthquakes.

The flooding can be easily controlled or contained by the massive dam projects that are underway. This should significantly reduce, if not eliminate, the damage and high death tolls from the historical floods.

Back then, RL China wasn't able to build dams and large scale modernization projects, such as is being done by my China.

The earthquakes will probably occur just like they did historically, as there is no way to prevent or minimize any earthquakes (even today).

Parthini']Ok, I want to contest everyone dissing the Chinese Language.

While characters are different, they aren't all together so much different than learning big long words by looking at the roots. Granted, I've only taken Chinese I and characters haven't gotten past 20 strokes, and I use simplified (Which Sharina might consider using. Mao used it so Mainland China uses Simplified while Taiwan uses Traditional), Chinese isn't that hard. There are radicals and then additional strokes are added on to make it more complex. Ex: The woman radical, when put together with a boy radical, makes good, because a woman having a boy is good.

However, unless you already have, you are going to have to standardize and decide (probably Mandarin) what you want to have taught as the main dialect.

And speaking isn't that hard. It's just *us* Indo-Europeans don't use some parts of the mouth for that stuff. However, it is distinguishable. So don't worry about having Chinese be hard to be taught. In some ways English is harder...
Wo bu renshi ni shuo Hanyu! Tai hao le!

He's right, in many ways. The speech is easier (especially Mandarin, as opposed to the other dialects), and I myself had forgotten about the radicals and all that. It's true that the more you know the writing system, the easier it becomes to pick up. And yes, the simplified version is easier (as I already mentioned), but I also forgot to mention a Republican-era language reform that actually standardized the vernacular, which made it a lot easier. Prior to that, the written language remained essentially medieval, with all the differences you'd expect - imagine if we were required in American schools to write like Shakespeare, or even Chaucer, and you'll get the idea.
So those would be good places to start, Sharina. I'll have some other comments on Chinese culture and history, and how you might be able to introduce constitutionalism, later.

Major climatic problems and earthquakes and really important hurricanes will occasionally show up if they are relevent. The Tokyo Earthquake being one of those relevent things. The San Francisco earthquake for example happened as well, but it didn't effect history much.

We lost the player for Burgundy, but all treaties remain in effect regarding it. Invade Burgundy and you are at war with the British and Americans, and the French or Germans. However, as it is unlikely that Belgium or Switzerland will invade it, this mostly applies to the French or Germans.

Greece is supposed to remain neutral as well, as the Americans, Turks, Russians and British are supposed to protect it.

Interestingly, there has never been a major famine in a nation under democratic rule. Your voters get pissed if you don't make sure they get fed.

Krasnaya Zvezda, Moskva - 12 V 1922

BRITISH PRIME MINISTER OPENLY MOCKS THE HUNGER OF THE POOR

While the drought in Ukraine has as yet claimed few lives, nevertheless it has ruined many poor families and brought crushing poverty into the lives of tens of thousands more who had earlier prospered.

The rest of world has responded to the government's declaration of a state of emergency and decisive action by contributing aid or at least offering to sell grain for distribution to the poor. Even Colombia, putting aside a longtime hostility, has donated perhaps the largest contribution to the relief effort so far, while the United States has opened its markets to Union relief agencies.

Yesterday the British Prime Minister delivered the United Kingdom's gift to the Ukrainian people directly to the Union Embassy. What was it? A crate of caviar, a sack of potatoes, and a note suggesting that "perhaps [they] should be sent back to the Russian Empire [sic] to help feed the people of Ukraine."

Can there yet remain any question as to the moral distinction between the Socialist and capitalist modes of thought?

Interestingly, there has never been a major famine in a nation under democratic rule. Your voters get pissed if you don't make sure they get fed.
Yeah, I've read Amartya Sen's theories, too - why do you think I'm scrambling to actually do something? Sen's theory did have to be modified with respect to India, however. But it's otherwise pretty compelling.
And thanks to everyone who's helped, seriously. Even if it is just an imaginary crisis, it's nice to have an imaginary humanitarian response. Thanks.

Yeah, I've read Amartya Sen's theories, too - why do you think I'm scrambling to actually do something? Sen's theory did have to be modified with respect to India, however. But it's otherwise pretty compelling.
And thanks to everyone who's helped, seriously. Even if it is just an imaginary crisis, it's nice to have an imaginary humanitarian response. Thanks.

Well, I believe the last major Indian famine was in 1944, during wartime, and the rather harsh decision was made to keep shipping devoted to the war effort instead of using it to bring in food for India. Which was rather hard on the Indians. Tough call though.

I think from now on, Colombia will head up any Humanitarian efforts all over the world.