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anyway, i'd like to be the first post in E20 after the most recent forum fuckup being fixed.



Update.

Later today will be a big day for the MEU revolution

3rd Part of the Battle for Karbala
Attack upon the City of Qom
And the Rescue operation for the 2 captured Union Pilots (whether or not its successful, you'll have to wait and see)


oh and Vas, Anyway some MEU terrorists get into the Union to attempt to take vengence in some way on the bombing of shiraz


I was thinking of them taking over a school in............lets say Beslan. What do you think?

FINALLY! Now my Indian troops get to see some action! (if you forgot, I sent 2 level 5 motorized corps and 1 level 5 mechanized corp to help the gov't take the city.)

Wouldn't they target a more important target?

Somewhere in St. Petersburg(Leningrad?Trotskygrad?) Moscow, Warsaw, Berlin, Kiev, Sevastapol or some where else with a high profile?

This whole MEU business is starting to look all too familiar. Now you know how GW feels...

As Supreme Mod of E20, I put forth a motion to use a temporary forum as a backup for E20. If Jolt goes down, we can use the backup forum that Middle Snu proposed, then when Jolt comes back up, we can copy+paste all the updated info from the temporary forum to Jolt, and continue at Jolt. Then if Jolt crashes again, we move back to the temporary forum to continue E20 RP'ing until Jolt gets back up again.

That way we won't "lose" E20, or lose weeks worth of RP'ing progress. Its not hard to copy+paste, so there's no need to retype everything. Just do "Select All" on the text at Jolt or your word processors, then "Copy + Paste" the text into either Jolt or the backup forum. Not that hard, really.

What say you, guys?

I say we do it now!

oh and Vas, Anyway some MEU terrorists get into the Union to attempt to take vengence in some way on the bombing of shiraz

I was thinking of them taking over a school in............lets say Beslan. What do you think?
Well, I'm not exactly objective, so I'd suggest you discuss it with Galveston Bay. However, I will state my case against it anyway.

It's a little early for that kind of global terrorism - travel and communications aren't as easy in the late 'Thirties and early 'Forties as they were in, say, 2004. Moreover, you have to have to remember that those kind of deep strikes tended to be conducted either by sleepers who had been resident in their target countries for a year or more (as in September 11th), long resident immigrants (as in London and Madrid), or actual locals or nationals of the target country (as at Beslan).

At the present time, Chechens and other Muslim citizens are doing well within the Union (full employment, comprehensive welfare state, rural electrification, respectable democracy, affirmative action), so, although I've assumed that there would be strong protests against Shiraz, and possibly even riots, I don't see them joining in much with separatist or anti-Union grouos at the present time. And it would be very difficult for any crazed fundamentalists to make their way into the Union from the MEU at the present time, between the ongoing war scare and the recent counter-terrorism bill (for simplicity, let's just call it the Enabling Act).

What I see as more plausible is maybe some malcontents making some assassination attempts against local police and government officials (as indeed Kirov himself has already survived once - and I rolled that result randomly, just to be fair), which are not likely to be particularly successful or longlasting (especially after Kirov's apology, which I thought was pretty good, and after the war begins, when hatred of the Amerikans will consume pretty much everybody's attention).

Again, full-out crazed suicidal fundamentalism is only just now coming into existence as a result of the largely Arab and Persian struggle against the "Turks" of Damascus. It shouldn't reach a really recognizable form (albeit lacking anti-Semitism as a central motif) for another five or ten years, and even that's earlier in E20 than in RL, where radical political Islam didn't really take shape until the 'Fifties (when it was defined by the struggle against Westernization and Israel, rather than, as in E20, against Westernization and federalism).

Well, I'm not exactly objective, so I'd suggest you discuss it with Galveston Bay. However, I will state my case against it anyway.

It's a little early for that kind of global terrorism - travel and communications aren't as easy in the late 'Thirties and early 'Forties as they were in, say, 2004. Moreover, you have to have to remember that those kind of deep strikes tended to be conducted either by sleepers who had been resident in their target countries for a year or more (as in September 11th), long resident immigrants (as in London and Madrid), or actual locals or nationals of the target country (as at Beslan). .

I tend to agree, regional terrorism yes, targetting targets in the country where the action is, but not global yet. Air travel is still for the rich mostly, or for business, and plastique explosives etc, the weapons of todays terrorist, have barely been invented and are not widely available.

Now attacking Union consulates is well within reach

We have some fancy competition! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463727)

Bwahahahhahaaaa!

That's like the third one that's popped up since our great E20 began.

The original is still the best.

That's like the third one that's popped up since our great E20 began.

The original is still the best.

The original was 1880-1900. I was in that one, you young wippersnapper.

The original was 1880-1900. I was in that one, you young wippersnapper.

Bah! Nothing existed before me. It was all an illusion. Kinda like the Matrix.

Bah! Nothing existed before me. It was all an illusion. Kinda like the Matrix.

Omigod!

Hey are we in 1940 or still in 1939?
If its still 1939 then I think we need to skip straight to 1940 or we are going to get very confused and out of sync.
Any anyway I would like to post my 1940 build soon.

Hey are we in 1940 or still in 1939?
If its still 1939 then I think we need to skip straight to 1940 or we are going to get very confused and out of sync.
Any anyway I would like to post my 1940 build soon.
Personally, I'd go for that - but I'm pretty sure the AmeriKKKans want to attack before we've finished building our fleets. May '39 should begin today.

I have realized how obnoxious that must be to those of you who might (at least be hoping to) sit this one out, and you have my sympathies. There would've been a delay even without the Forums junking, but it wouldn't have been nearly as bad. My apologies.

Lately things have been getting quite messed up lately in a lot of people's lives... My schooling as well as the lack of internet access for me maybe a little bit of a problem at first as well as the server's behavior may be a problem too as well. I am sorry if I was so messed up before, but I do not intend to leave any time soon to be honest to everyone...

here we go

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10248887&postcount=8

here we go

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10248887&postcount=8

So World War 3 is upon us at last.

How many millions will die before the war ends?

How many nations will be shattered?

How many countless ships, planes, and vehicles will be destroyed?

Who shall be the victor?

Will the world end in nuclear flames?

Is it the end of E20?

Only time and history will tell!

Lots, all, all, nobody, yes, and probably.

Lots, all, all, nobody, yes, and probably.

oh it won't be that bad... we don't have ICBMs and H-Bombs after all. Besides, we can always continue play after the war as we rebuild. Actually, if the first two wars had been harsher, we would probably not be fighting this one as early as we did.

Besides, we may have to deal with Argentina and South Africa being the most powerful nations in the world after the war is over

Hey GB, i don't believe Langsdorff was supposed to be there, as i appointed him as the Baltic or Black Sea Squadren Commander. Did you just say he was there, or was there a mix up?

Hey GB, i don't believe Langsdorff was supposed to be there, as i appointed him as the Baltic or Black Sea Squadren Commander. Did you just say he was there, or was there a mix up?

no such information was received by me... besides, him and Harwood meeting is poetic..let it stand. Lutjens is a good commander for the Northern Fleet, and actually, Langsdorf is too junior to be a fleet commander at this point.. he was only a Captain in 1939 historically.

send me a telegram on who is commanding what.. I haven't got that information.

whatever, i found it funny that he dies early on again, anyway i sent it to VP, but i guess it didn't work it's way around to you so don't worry about it. I guess Admiral Willy von Nordeck will be the Baltic commander and Admiral Karlgeorg Schuster will be the Black Sea's.

whatever, i found it funny that he dies early on again, anyway i sent it to VP, but i guess it didn't work it's way around to you so don't worry about it. I guess Admiral Willy von Nordeck will be the Baltic commander and Admiral Karlgeorg Schuster will be the Black Sea's.
I never got the telegram with the command assignments. I told you that. Post it in the military thread instead.

Besides, we may have to deal with Argentina and South Africa being the most powerful nations in the world after the war is over

Don't forget Eire, boyo!

Yeah, we have a new Ireland, Riptide Monzarc.

And honestly, I'll be happy with any result that leaves the United States as a Third World pisshole or worse. And China as a smoldering desert.

Anyway, pasted the new Canadian and Irish links on the front page.

lots of war stuff for me to deal with today, I will post things as I resolve them. Its going to be painful for both sides.

Yeah, we have a new Ireland, Riptide Monzarc.

And honestly, I'll be happy with any result that leaves the United States as a Third World pisshole or worse. And China as a smoldering desert.

Anyway, pasted the new Canadian and Irish links on the front page.

Haha.

I'd be happy if the Union were broken up back into its individual states that are independent of each other. Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Romania, Ukraine, Finland, etc. independent and no longer constitutes the Union as a whole. Once that objective is achieved, I'll be happy even if China was damaged badly because the Union would be equally devastated and unable to dominate. ;)

oh it won't be that bad... we don't have ICBMs and H-Bombs after all. Besides, we can always continue play after the war as we rebuild. Actually, if the first two wars had been harsher, we would probably not be fighting this one as early as we did.

Besides, we may have to deal with Argentina and South Africa being the most powerful nations in the world after the war is over

Hey! I have a rapidly modernizing economy and a fricken h00ge population! Why can't I be powerful too? *cries*

*tries to get Twizzler out of coke can*

Haha.

I'd be happy if the Union were broken up back into its individual states that are independent of each other. Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Romania, Ukraine, Finland, etc. independent and no longer constitutes the Union as a whole. Once that objective is achieved, I'll be happy even if China was damaged badly because the Union would be equally devastated and unable to dominate. ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Flaga_PPP.png

Haha.

I'd be happy if the Union were broken up back into its individual states that are independent of each other. Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Romania, Ukraine, Finland, etc. independent and no longer constitutes the Union as a whole. Once that objective is achieved, I'll be happy even if China was damaged badly because the Union would be equally devastated and unable to dominate. ;)
As long as it's the last I see of your stupid winking smilies and your smugly obnoxious "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I?" style of "repartee," I'll take that deal.

And that's the last I'm talking to you at all except for business.

Huh? How'd I get in your way?

As long as it's the last I see of your stupid winking smilies and your smugly obnoxious "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I?" style of "repartee," I'll take that deal.

And that's the last I'm talking to you at all except for business.

Hmmm... Germany separate again... I'm down...

DEUTCHLAND, DEUTCHLAND UBER ALLES!

As long as it's the last I see of your stupid winking smilies and your smugly obnoxious "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I?" style of "repartee," I'll take that deal.

And that's the last I'm talking to you at all except for business.

Vas metagaming is not nice, play fair.

Vas metagaming is not nice, play fair.
I keep my IC and OoC dislikes scrupulously separate. It just so happens that Sharina is the subject of both. And this is the OoC Thread.

Granted, it was out of line for me to say that. I'll concede that. But I won't take it back, either. He really gets under my skin.

And yes, it was out of line for me to say that, too. Nyah.

I keep my IC and OoC dislikes scrupulously separate. It just so happens that Sharina is the subject of both. And this is the OoC Thread.

Granted, it was out of line for me to say that. I'll concede that. But I won't take it back, either. He really gets under my skin.

And yes, it was out of line for me to say that, too. Nyah.

Is it wrong to talk some trash? People do it all the time when they compete aganist each other in multiplayer games. After all, you did talk some trash of sorts saying "It is decreed, China will be destroyed" a while ago, and saying "The US will become Third World sinkhole and China become smoldering desert".

I like to talk some trash and get pumped up for me and my "side" if I'm on a team. Everybody does that at one point or another. There's plenty of examples in NS and RL (like NS wars, RL sports, RL board games like "Oh you got me with that move but I'll get you soon!" kind of deal, and so forth).

I don't understand Vas. He hates me IC'ly and OOC'ly, and I can understand why but he is hating my "gaming personality", not the "real" me. Vas needs to realize that there's two sides to me in any competition or multi-player gaming.

1. My "Gaming" personality- trash talking, obnxious, and cocky. I get this way for the same reason why other people do aganist their hated teams (like Red Sox fans aganist the Yankees in RL) or try to pump themselves and their own side up.

2. My "Real" personality- the "real" me in RL, the person and personality of who I am without gaming or the anti-team thing. I'm generally a nice person in RL and pretty talkative, humorous, and generally pleasant. Several people who have talked to me on AIM and outside of E20 knows this.

Basically, I transform into a very different person when I get into gaming and competition than if its for social stuff, parties, meeting people, or anything not concerning gaming aganist other people or being competitive (games or workplace). Thats how many people are, sorta like the "angel" and "devil" sides of them, you know?

Suppose Vas and I met outside of E20, chatted outside of E20, or knew each other outside of E20 before even meeting or knowing each other in E20, he'd probably have a very different opinion of me.

And you'd probably have a very different opinion of me. I can be quite charming, when I'm not being a competitive dick. Though I am always abrasive.

And you'd probably have a very different opinion of me. I can be quite charming, when I'm not being a competitive dick. Though I am always abrasive.

We're pretty much in the same boat, going bonkers when competition is involved. In RL, I live near Boston and I'm a Red Sox fan so thats where a lot of my competiveness and trash talking personality comes from. I always go crazy aganist them Yankees.

I'd be happy to chat or socialize with you Vas. We just gotta put aside our competitive personas aside. Speaking of abrasive, that reminds me of the TV show, "American Chopper"- that funky moustache biker dude, I think his name is Paul Sr. Teutul and the way he interacts with his son, Paul Jr.

Hey guys. Here's an idea I was contemplating.

A Korean Civil War.

Scenario=

1. Syngman Rhee keeps going with the war footing, and eventually, the harshness of the State of Emergency results in discontent. Kim Il-Sung, with the aid of the SPCU (which already gave him 12 points), comes to try and stir up revolution, and succeed, amassing support in the North and in other parts for a Revolution, with rebel Congressmen also fleeing to Pyongyang to establish a rebel Democratic People's Republic of Korea. But, Syngman Rhee still has the loyalty of the military, and still has large power in the South-and he won't give up.

2. Syngman Rhee gives up, and ultimately repudiates the Seoul Treaty. As Korea stands down, Kim Il-Sung, still flush with support from the SPCU, opts to try to exploit the resulting anti-Rhee sentiment in the nation and returns to foment a revolt, similar to scenario 1 without the aid of Rebel Congressmen. He does get support however, but mostly in the North and not as much as if Rhee had gone on. Thus, a protracted guerilla war/terror campaign emerges, similar to the IRA in the 70's and the Maoists in Nepal now.

Any questions, concerns?

Hey guys. Here's an idea I was contemplating.

A Korean Civil War.

Scenario=

1. Syngman Rhee keeps going with the war footing, and eventually, the harshness of the State of Emergency results in discontent. Kim Il-Sung, with the aid of the SPCU (which already gave him 12 points), comes to try and stir up revolution, and succeed, amassing support in the North and in other parts for a Revolution, with rebel Congressmen also fleeing to Pyongyang to establish a rebel Democratic People's Republic of Korea. But, Syngman Rhee still has the loyalty of the military, and still has large power in the South-and he won't give up.

2. Syngman Rhee gives up, and ultimately repudiates the Seoul Treaty. As Korea stands down, Kim Il-Sung, still flush with support from the SPCU, opts to try to exploit the resulting anti-Rhee sentiment in the nation and returns to foment a revolt, similar to scenario 1 without the aid of Rebel Congressmen. He does get support however, but mostly in the North and not as much as if Rhee had gone on. Thus, a protracted guerilla war/terror campaign emerges, similar to the IRA in the 70's and the Maoists in Nepal now.

Any questions, concerns?

Sounds like a good idea to me though I don't think Clan will like the idea of more work (i.e. the civil war)

We're pretty much in the same boat, going bonkers when competition is involved. In RL, I live near Boston and I'm a Red Sox fan so thats where a lot of my competiveness and trash talking personality comes from. I always go crazy aganist them Yankees.

I'd be happy to chat or socialize with you Vas. We just gotta put aside our competitive personas aside. Speaking of abrasive, that reminds me of the TV show, "American Chopper"- that funky moustache biker dude, I think his name is Paul Sr. Teutul and the way he interacts with his son, Paul Jr.

ANOTHER BELIEVER!?!?

HUZZAH!

Shall we burn the traitor Damon together?

EDIT:

Double post, thanks Jolt.

ANOTHER BELIEVER!?!?

HUZZAH!

Shall we burn the traitor Damon together?

I was like "What the fuck?" when Damon left the Red Sox. He's a 21st century version of Babe Ruth, I tell ya- I just hope that Damon doesn't fuck up the Red Sox for another 80 years with a new curse- called the "Damino" or something. :headbang:

I don't get it why Damon left the Red Sox. If its just for the money, I think thats kind of BS because what of the fans, what of the team, and what of being a part of something greater than just money? Then again, I'm a big idealist.

Hey guys. Here's an idea I was contemplating.

A Korean Civil War.

Scenario=

1. Syngman Rhee keeps going with the war footing, and eventually, the harshness of the State of Emergency results in discontent. Kim Il-Sung, with the aid of the SPCU (which already gave him 12 points), comes to try and stir up revolution, and succeed, amassing support in the North and in other parts for a Revolution, with rebel Congressmen also fleeing to Pyongyang to establish a rebel Democratic People's Republic of Korea. But, Syngman Rhee still has the loyalty of the military, and still has large power in the South-and he won't give up.

2. Syngman Rhee gives up, and ultimately repudiates the Seoul Treaty. As Korea stands down, Kim Il-Sung, still flush with support from the SPCU, opts to try to exploit the resulting anti-Rhee sentiment in the nation and returns to foment a revolt, similar to scenario 1 without the aid of Rebel Congressmen. He does get support however, but mostly in the North and not as much as if Rhee had gone on. Thus, a protracted guerilla war/terror campaign emerges, similar to the IRA in the 70's and the Maoists in Nepal now.

Any questions, concerns?
Just mentioning, for Scenario 2, if Rhee repudiates the Seoul Treaty, the LSI (Labour and Socialist International, our version of Comintern) would switch support back the Cho from Kim, since Cho's ideology is more compatible with the Kerensky-Luxemburg-Trotskyist Line as espoused by the Union. Kim is uncomfortably close to Mao in his interpretations of Marxism.

Granted, this will undoubtedly result in a weakening of Union influence, and a possible fracturing of the KWP. But Warsaw (if not the LSI - the Union's political leadership and the LSI Central Committee often don't see eye-to-eye on strategies) will have achieved its goal of keeping Korea out of the War.

I was like "What the fuck?" when Damon left the Red Sox. He's a 21st century version of Babe Ruth, I tell ya- I just hope that Damon doesn't fuck up the Red Sox for another 80 years with a new curse- called the "Damino" or something. :headbang:

I don't get it why Damon left the Red Sox. If its just for the money, I think thats kind of BS because what of the fans, what of the team, and what of being a part of something greater than just money? Then again, I'm a big idealist.

Indeed.

Just mentioning, for Scenario 2, if Rhee repudiates the Seoul Treaty, the LSI (Labour and Socialist International, our version of Comintern) would switch support back the Cho from Kim, since Cho's ideology is more compatible with the Kerensky-Luxemburg-Trotskyist Line as espoused by the Union. Kim is uncomfortably close to Mao in his interpretations of Marxism.

Granted, this will undoubtedly result in a weakening of Union influence, and a possible fracturing of the KWP. But Warsaw (if not the LSI - the Union's political leadership and the LSI Central Committee often don't see eye-to-eye on strategies) will have achieved its goal of keeping Korea out of the War.

ust let Vas and I know what is going on so we can factor it into the situation

testing one two three

the news, for those who might have missed it.

Due to Jolt issues, things have been discussed in the LTA and general Chatzy boards.

Vas has quit. Rumania, France, Yugoslavia and MEU have quit. Parthini remains as far as I know at this time.

The consensus is that time be moved forward to after the war. A new E20 Main thread will be created, and new economics and military threads.

my suggestions.. these are the most important nations at the moment for future trends
Britian -- Ribenia
Japan -- Kordo (has interest in keeping his country, could be given another though)
USA -- to be determined
Russia -- NPC for short term
China -- Sharina
Germany -- Parthini (likes Germany)
France -- NPC for short term
MEU -- NPC for short term
India -- Lightning Star
South Africa -- Malkyer (give him East Africa too)
Algeria -- Abbessina (apparently wants to keep his country)
Colombia -- Artisa (wants to keep his country)
Argentina -- Middle Snu wants to stay Argentina
Brazil -- (player should he return, he is missing in action)
Australia -- Cylea
Italy -- Arcanae
USAE (Indochina) -- Ata Sara (wants to keep his country)
Ireland -- Riptide (maybe another country if he wishes)
Canada -- Galveston Bay
Korea -- Dornelia (unless he wants another)
Sweden -- Safehaven2 (unless he wants USA)
Ecuador and Bolivia are also still player countries and have expressed interest in continued play, and may have the option of taking over new countries once game restarts.

I would handle all NPC nations, along with war, technology and economics. Middle Snu helps me with economics, Malkyer and Ribenia assist me with research etc.

It will take the weekend to figure out what happened in the war exactly and how.

general overview of World War III (Likely results)

By consensus, Union will be destroyed, Japan conquered, and new states created in Central and Eastern Europe. Other events will happen as well.

Of course this will be gamed out so that the cost of all of this can be determined, and just how bad it got.

I am starting the game history of World War III tonight, hope to have it done by Saturday.

general overview of World War III (Likely results)

By consensus, Union will be destroyed, Japan conquered, and new states created in Central and Eastern Europe. Other events will happen as well.

Of course this will be gamed out so that the cost of all of this can be determined, and just how bad it got.

What happens to allied powers, by the way?

Country Populations (Estimated for late 1930’s)

[country – population (approximate annual percentage increase)]

NPC states marked by italics.

Albania – 1.1m (0.1)
Argentina – 11.7m (1.5)
Australia – 6.7m (0.75)
Belgium – 8.4m (0.3)
Bolivia - 2.6m (1)
Brazil – 33.4m (1)
Bulgaria – 6.3m (1)
Burgundy – 3.3m (0.4)
Canada – 8.5m (0.8)
Chile – 5.3m (1.5)
China – 535m ()
Czechoslovakia – 16.3m (0.5)
France – 45.5m (0.4)
Greece – 7.2m (1.2)
Gran Colombia –13.8m (1.6)
Hungary – 8.9m (0.4)
India (including Pakistan and Bangladesh) – 385m ()
Ireland – 2.9m (0.5)
Italy – 44.4m (1)
Japan – 72m ()
Kashgaria - 4.5m ()
Korea – 33m ()
Manchuria - 40m ()
Mexico – 19m (1.6)
Mongolia - 2.5m ()
Middle Eastern Union – 39m ()
Netherlands – 8.7m (1)
Paraguay – 1m (1.7)
Peru – 6.6m (1.6)
Romania – 19.5m (1)
Scandinavian Union – 13.1m
{Denmark – 3.9m (0.8)}
{Norway – 2.9m (0.4)}
{Sweden – 6.3m (0.4)}
Sovereign People’s Conciliar Union – ?m
{Finland – 2m (0.5)}
{Germany – 69.4m (0.5)}
{Livonia – 15.7m (1.2)}
{Poland – 35m (0.8)}
{Russia – 94.6m (0.7)}
{Transcaucasia – 11.5m (1)}
{Turkestan – 20m ()}
{Ukraine – 35m (0.8)}
South Africa – 10.3m ()
Spain – 27.8m (0.8)
Tibet - 3m ()
United Kingdom – 45.7m (0.4)
Uruguay – 1.95m (1)
United States – 144.5m (0.8)
United South East Asian States - 21.7m ()
{Cambodia - 2.5m ()}
{Laos - 1.2m ()}
{Vietnam - 18m ()}
Yugoslavia – 13.4m (0.8)

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Thankfully I saved all these population figures as well as did a backup of E20 stuff before Vas deleted all information that he posted for E20 out of spite.

I'm still in as Korea. I had an RP typed out too about how I just quit the war, to set up the Korean Civil War with Kim vs. Rhee, so I gotta do that.

What are the current plans for restart? Just after the war or 1950 like was suggested earlier?

Just so I can get in some research before we restart.

What are we doing about economies? Just say they are back to their pre-war levels by 1950 or backtrack them through to where we were?

Woah, woah woah...what the FUCK happened? Also, I'm good as Ireland.

Woah, woah woah...what the FUCK happened? Also, I'm good as Ireland.

I am in the dark myself, but evidently, a major OOC falling out has occurred....and most of the Pact left (save for Parth). I was not there, but that is what I gleamed.

Heh, well...i'd be willing to convert to a major Pact player if it was neccesary.

Essentially VP and others made unfounded allegations of GB fixing the results of the war in favour of the LTA (check the war thread to see why this was not the case, ie. the LTA was worse off than the Pact at the end of turn 1). A large number of members of the Pact left and the RP has stalled. It is proposed that we advance time to post-war and carry on from there, hopefully attracting some new members to take over the main protagonists.

I think I would like to take up the mantle of the Soviet Union, if it isn't too much trouble.

I think I would like to take up the mantle of the Soviet Union, if it isn't too much trouble.

it will be reduced to Russia by the time this is over, but I am ok with that. It will definitely be a challenge.

1939 is over, and the disintegration of the MEU is accelerating... the Union goes hardline, as do the Japanese, and the Americans are about to start knocking on Japans door.

If the Japanese and Pact had attacked the Philippines first, instead of Truk, the US would have been delayed by at least 6 months in getting into position to help China and Vietnam. Which would have possibily been fatal to Vietnam and China. The Japanese would have also been able to take the Dutch East Indies and possibly Malaya. Which would have added more months to the timeframe needed to save China and Vietnam. A simple look at the Great Pacific War (or as we know it, World War II in the Pacific) would have demontrated this.

The Pact failed to build nearly enough submarines in 1939 as well, or in the proceeding years. Building that big surface navy and planning to build more was the straw that broke the camels back for the US and Britian (me and Ribenia). At that point, it was clear that that the Pact planned invasion eventually.

In other words, strategic decisions by players determined that war would occur, and building decisions are what has left the Union and Japan in the situation it is in at the end of 1939. Another 20 - 30 submarine units for the Union that were concentrated in the Atlantic, a bigger mobile army to deal with the LTA in Europe and China quicker, and holding off on building a mega fleet until they were ready would have served the Pact better. They had the points to have done what they needed to do as well. In addition, looking at the last war more carefully and the rather pointed critical look I offered and wrote at that time would have served the Pact well . That look was full of strategy hints.

This time .I even sent TGs to Vas pointing out that the invasion of Truk would be an even fight. Looking at the Japanese forces would have shown where they were strong, and where they were weak, as would looking at LTA forces. In short, the LTA is going to win because the LTA planned better and focused on what was critical and what was needed to win where it was critical.

The Pact didn't

I would like to point out the fact that the pact joined the war with the Japanese who had no reason to invade China, in an authoritatrian government like Japan that might not be much of a problem but with the democratic systems in the pact countries there were going to be two options:

A-A peace treaty is signed after a short time of fighting due to opposition.

B-A change in government style in the major pact countries.

B is more likely for a long war, but I'd expect if the war turns badly more coups are to follow, also countries like Yugoslavia and Romania may seek seperate peace treaties.

I would like to point out the fact that the pact joined the war with the Japanese who had no reason to invade China, in an authoritatrian government like Japan that might not be much of a problem but with the democratic systems in the pact countries there were going to be two options:

A-A peace treaty is signed after a short time of fighting due to opposition.

B-A change in government style in the major pact countries.

B is more likely for a long war, but I'd expect if the war turns badly more coups are to follow, also countries like Yugoslavia and Romania may seek seperate peace treaties.

I don't think either of these will happen, this war started because of unresolved issues between the LTA and the Pact. Both of these option would leave those issues unresolved and the certainty of another in the future.

In other words, this is the final showdown, someone has to lose.

So, I understand there are a lot of countries open now. I've been watching this for a long time (and enjoyed it). Can I still join?

So, I understand there are a lot of countries open now. I've been watching this for a long time (and enjoyed it). Can I still join?

Hi Warta!

Submit two prior Rp sample to GB and pick a nation.
(As you said there are lots open)

So, I understand there are a lot of countries open now. I've been watching this for a long time (and enjoyed it). Can I still join?

yes, a lot of countries are about to be open, including countries that are part of other countries at the moment

So, I understand there are a lot of countries open now. I've been watching this for a long time (and enjoyed it). Can I still join?

Galveston Bay, I can personally vouch for Warta Endor. I've RP'ed with him on several occasions and he is a wonderful RP'er with a great IC and OOC style. He's a pleasant guy all around.

I strongly recommend we let him in E20.

I humbly suggest everyone waits to make plans and hold off on new players picking countries (or old ones) until after the war is over...

I humbly suggest everyone waits to make plans and hold off on new players picking countries (or old ones) until after the war is over...

Good idea.

However, I'd like to keep Warta Endor's name on the roster of new players so that he can pick a nation when we finish doing war history and resume gameplay in 1950.

What if the Turkick Republics in t3h Soviet Union joined with Chinese Turkestan to make Turkestan? Eh? This is the only time I think that will every be possible, and I think it's a swell idea. I mean, the turkic states apart are weak, but together, they are strong! They have a shizit-load of Oil, so the quality of life in this Central Asian country will be pretty good, and it will be pretty strong. It'll be a good buffer state between India, China, and Russia. Well, even though the later two will actually share quite a large border...It's more of a buffer state between India and China, and India and Russia. (By the way, I'll be defending Tibetan independence, so don't get any funny ideas there, Chinaman.)

Is there an active list currently on display? The first post is now not much help at this point...

Things have been a little screwy with me lately... and the time warps do not help that at all, but maybe I was being too selfish, really. I did not decide to leave at all even if I was a little out of it...

I'm not sure if this is what you meant, Kirstiriera, but here's a list of the countries in the late thirties, and the current players (post-war). I've probably missed someone, so don't hold this as gospel.

Albania – NPC
Argentina – Middle Snu
Australia – Cylea
Belgium – Lachenburg (I haven't seen him/her post in a while)
Bolivia - Danard
Brazil – Gintonpar (I haven't seen him/her post in a while)
Bulgaria – Kirstiriera
Burgundy – NPC
Canada – Galveston Bay
Chile – West Cedarbrook (I haven't seen him post in awhile, and GB treated Chile as an NPC during the war)
China – Sharina
Czechoslovakia – NPC
France – NPC
Greece – NPC
Gran Colombia – Artitsa
Hungary – NPC
India (including Pakistan and Bangladesh) – The Lightning Star
Ireland – NPC
Italy – Arcanea
Japan – Kordo
Kashgaria - NPC
Korea – New Dornalia
Manchuria - NPC
Mexico – NPC
Mongolia - NPC
Middle Eastern Union – NPC
Netherlands – NPC
Paraguay – NPC
Peru – NPC
Romania – NPC
Scandinavian Union – Alt Aus
{Denmark}
{Norway}
{Sweden}
Sovereign People’s Conciliar Union – Destroyed by war, new states created
{Finland – ?}
{Germany – Parthini?}
{Livonia – ?}
{Poland – ?}
{Russia – Riptide Monzarc}
{Transcaucasia – ?}
{Turkestan – ?}
{Ukraine – ?}
South Africa – Malkyer
Spain – Philanchez
Tibet - NPC
United Kingdom – Lesser Ribena
Uruguay – NPC
United States – Safehaven2?
United South East Asian States - Ato-Sara
{Cambodia}
{Laos}
{Vietnam}
Yugoslavia – NPC

Galveston Bay is taking Canada and Kordo is staying as Japan as far as I know.

Okay. I'll edit that.

Thanks for the support Sharina and Ato-Sara! I'll keep a close eye on things and wait untill teh war is over.

I am interested in this earth, but I have a few questions, to save my reading 230-something pages.
A)Is it still possible to join
B)What year is it currently?
C)Could someone give me a brief explanation of how this earth operates?
D) Would it be possible for me to join as all or part of the Middle Eastern Union?

Thank you very much,
Elephantum

I am interested in this earth, but I have a few questions, to save my reading 230-something pages.
A)Is it still possible to join
B)What year is it currently?
C)Could someone give me a brief explanation of how this earth operates?
D) Would it be possible for me to join as all or part of the Middle Eastern Union?

Thank you very much,
Elephantum

1. Yes
2. It will be post World War III... most likely 1948 when the game starts again
3. We have referees to oversee military events, economic issues and technology, as well as handle wars, with the players determining overall policy, strategic goals, and RPing interaction between the various nations.
4. The Middle Eastern Union doesn't survive World War III, but a number of successor nations arise during and after the war.

Is there an active list currently on display? The first post is now not much help at this point...

Things have been a little screwy with me lately... and the time warps do not help that at all, but maybe I was being too selfish, really. I did not decide to leave at all even if I was a little out of it...

I assumed only the players who said they were out, were indeed out. Time warp was so we could past the entirety of World War III as all but one of the Pact players quit. Trying to handle the entire Pact with 1 player (parthini) plus handle Japan as well without much help from the pact in terms of Strategy (Kordo has Japan) was massively overwhelming, and it seemed easier to fast forward and rebuild from the post war world.

That was the consensus that was determined, mostly on the Chatzy board as during the great Schism (might as well call it something) the Forums were mostly down for that entire 2 day period

A lot of harsh words were said, both there (Chatzy) and via TG, so its a permanent situation.

...during the great Schism (might as well call it something) the Forums were mostly down for that entire 2 day period

Great Schism--very nice. Even OOC we have these epic situations arise.

1. Yes
2. It will be post World War III... most likely 1948 when the game starts again
3. We have referees to oversee military events, economic issues and technology, as well as handle wars, with the players determining overall policy, strategic goals, and RPing interaction between the various nations.
4. The Middle Eastern Union doesn't survive World War III, but a number of successor nations arise during and after the war.

I can vouch for Elephantum; I RP with him often on E2.

Also, I didn't see if you replied to my question on how much of Persia I get. I know you said the "oil-producing regions", but that's pretty much in the wsst, from the Persian Gulf to Tabriz, and then east all the way to Qom. So will I just get that area, or will I get the coastal regions and the oil regions, or just all of Persia?

Well, in that case, would it be possible to take over Jordan? The Arab country that really got the shaft could be fun.

Well, in that case, would it be possible to take over Jordan? The Arab country that really got the shaft could be fun.

It prolly won't get as much of the shaft this time (the Jews have their own state in Argentina), but Fine with me. As long as you learn to accept your Indian overlords. ;)

Well, I WOULD have said something had my school not decided to block both Chatzy and NS and Jolt.

What a bitch... however, that is not what I am here to complain about.

I am here to vouch for what remains of the Pact. There are several things that bug me and have caused the Pact to go down in flames:

1) Entry of the MEU.

The MEU wouldn't have joined the war no matter what. They were still hotly involved in their civil war and had too many troops tied up in Persia.

2) Uh...

I can't think of anything else so far, because pretty much, the entry of the MEU caused the whole thing to collapse.

Therefore, I propose that we should revert to beginning of the war, with Kordo and I, and whoever else wishes to help, sharing power of the Pact/Japan/MEU. We would ensure that the MEU continues it bloody civil war (howso, without Clan, I'm not sure yet) but remains neutral, as per the wishes of Ottoman Khaif pre-resigning.

Not saying I would guarentee victory for the Pact, I just want them to go down in a glorious manner. Otherwise, consider this my resignation.

Parthini'] s:

1) Entry of the MEU.

The MEU wouldn't have joined the war no matter what. They were still hotly involved in their civil war and had too many troops tied up in Persia..

If the MEU had continued to provide the Pact with oil the LTA would have acted. Eventually the LTA would have told the MEU to stop selling oil or face the consequences, and the consequences would have been a full scale invasion, bombing of the oil fields, and full support of the rebels. The MEU might have survived longer if it had remained neutral, but not much longer unless it picked the LTA side.

Ask the LTA players, the LTA warplan was not inclined to respect neutrality in a war of survival. The Plan was the 3rd year of the war to invade Europe via Belgium/the Netherlands and Denmark, whether they were neutral or not. Their territory was less defended and a lot closer to the heart of Germany. After all last war it took nearly a year to clear France of Pact forces, and Ribenia and I well knew what our deadline was. Defeat the Pact in 3 years or face nuclear stalemate. MEU neutrality when it just gave the Pact a whole fleet of warships and was selling them oil was going to get a lot less respect.

Hell, I was supplying the rebels with arms.. ask Clan. The MEU was inconvenient, pro Pact and too dangerous to allow to get in the way of the survival of the LTA.

besides, are you going to tell me that the Pact wouldn't have invaded the MEU if it cut off oil supplies to you?

The other reason to get rid of the MEU though is that historically the Turkish empire in this game lasted 20 years longer than it did historically, it had no player, and more smaller countries will be more interesting long term for the game. More possibilities.

The US and Britian are almost certainly going to be pretty isolationist after this war. They destroy their enemy, but pay a hell of a price to do so. Britian has already suffered nearly 1 million civilian casualties so far, not counting military casualties. The US especially isn't going to be interested in saving the world again (from its perspective).

Is there a chance for the formation of a North African Federation, similar to the MEU but includes: Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libiya and Egypt?

Libiya's independence would be very much supported by Algeria, diplomatic means will be tried primarly( a good percentage of the oil in Libiya would be guranteed to the Italians if nessecary).

I get it really now...

1948 Olympics: St. Moritz(winter) and London (summer).
1949 World's Fair: Rescheduled to Rome.

Come to Gran Colombia ;)

Or in Korea.

It would be nice if Jordan got the shaft, so instead of getting a bunch of oil tycoons, I got a bunch of poor, disaffected Arabs, much like RL Jordan.

Indeed Britain will be keeping out of non-Commonwealt foreign affairs for some years to come. 1 million civilian casualties, that's a heck of a lot and the war isn't over yet! That'll be enough to persuade the post-war government to stay the hell away from the world.

As to a North African Federation, I don't think it's too likely but perhaps a form of the Arab League could emerge? Maybe with a stronger constitution than the RL one, but not as a full country. I just don't think that the political climate is right yet for a big United North Africa or whatever.

Maybe later, that's just my opinion though, anyone else?

At some point, not now, I have important buisness (read: Video Games) to attend to, but I will create a thread announcing Jordan's withdrawl from the MEU.

Oooh, an Arab League? Yes, indeed. And I can hold my powerful sway over my Arab Neighbors...Bwhehehehheeheheeeeee....

The Arab League is fine as is, but it would not make sense to create mega-nations...

Indeed mega-nations do not have a high survivability rate in this RP!

Plus they aren't really that historically accurate.

Indeed mega-nations do not have a high survivability rate in this RP!

Plus they aren't really that historically accurate.

Actually, they dont seem to have a high survivability rate in RL either....

Actually, they dont seem to have a high survivability rate in RL either....

I agree on both.. the LTA alliance has always been that.. an alliance of mutual interests. But not a megastate. More of a partnership.

Aren't China, India, and the USA technically mega-nations in RL?

Aren't China, India, and the USA technically mega-nations in RL?

India, deffinetly. It has like a zillion languages, a zillion religions, and a zillion ethnic groups. There is one thing that unites them, though;

Curree.

THE WAR NEEDS TO END!

Seriously, this is really, really hurting us. I mean, the lack of ANY action except for GB writing done war results is really boring me. And I don't think I'm the only one who thinks this. If It's going to take weeks for us to start actually PLAYING again, I'm going to have to consider leaving for more active RP's. At least Germany has surrendered, so I guess Russia isn't far behind.

Lightning Star relax, GB needs to do this for ease of playing when we restart.

If he just said stuff this the LTA won, then we would have to work out and guess where our economies would be at at the end of the war. He is doing us a massive favour my devoting this much time to something with little return.

THE WAR NEEDS TO END!

Seriously, this is really, really hurting us. I mean, the lack of ANY action except for GB writing done war results is really boring me. And I don't think I'm the only one who thinks this. If It's going to take weeks for us to start actually PLAYING again, I'm going to have to consider leaving for more active RP's. At least Germany has surrendered, so I guess Russia isn't far behind.

Perhaps I am an anomaly, but the reason I joined this RP was because I stumbled upon the WW2 thread and ended up reading everything involved with E20. This thing got started, it needs to be played through, and I bet it ends fairly soon.


Lightning Star relax, GB needs to do this for ease of playing when we restart.

If he just said stuff this the LTA won, then we would have to work out and guess where our economies would be at at the end of the war. He is doing us a massive favour my devoting this much time to something with little return.

Props to Ato-Sara for saying it first. Being able to move past the Great Schism, occuring at literally the most inconvinient time possible is going to keep this RP alive. There doesnt seem to be any viable solution besides playing things out and one player running things for a week or two is the least painful and quickest way out.

I am moving as fast as I can... I do understand Lightning Star that this isn't very exciting from a play perspective. However, the war is moving pretty quickly now. I am almost up to May 1942 and will post November - April today and the final offensive into the heart of Russia will begin after that. However, Lightning Star, I do need to know if India is going to be part of that.

Where should the new threads for the site go to make it convenient for everyone involved (like a link area as before to make sure everyone knows what is going on out there)? I am sorry if I sound nagging or anything like that...

THE WAR NEEDS TO END!

Seriously, this is really, really hurting us. I mean, the lack of ANY action except for GB writing done war results is really boring me. And I don't think I'm the only one who thinks this. If It's going to take weeks for us to start actually PLAYING again, I'm going to have to consider leaving for more active RP's. At least Germany has surrendered, so I guess Russia isn't far behind.

I can only echo other peoples comments here in saying that it needs to be played out so that we can determine the final costs and whatever and that GB is progressing as fast as he can. It should be over shortly anyway. Just as soon as we smash up Russia into little fragments of countries...

Where should the new threads for the site go to make it convenient for everyone involved (like a link area as before to make sure everyone knows what is going on out there)? I am sorry if I sound nagging or anything like that...

once I finish dealing with the war, I plan to start a new primary thread, and the first post will have links.

I am moving as fast as I can... I do understand Lightning Star that this isn't very exciting from a play perspective. However, the war is moving pretty quickly now. I am almost up to May 1942 and will post November - April today and the final offensive into the heart of Russia will begin after that. However, Lightning Star, I do need to know if India is going to be part of that.

Aight, sorry there. I just thought, y'know, we'd be a bit more involved in the war. I mean, I know my troops are fighting and stuff, but I want to do stuff.

And India would most certainly would like to assure it's control of Afghanistan and Persia, so consider India part of the attack,

Aight, sorry there. I just thought, y'know, we'd be a bit more involved in the war. I mean, I know my troops are fighting and stuff, but I want to do stuff.

And India would most certainly would like to assure it's control of Afghanistan and Persia, so consider India part of the attack,

Then write little ficlets about battles that GB posts up.

Then write little ficlets about battles that GB posts up.

The past 6 months for India have been guarding the border :p. Quite active.

The past 6 months for India have been guarding the border :p. Quite active.

Ah.. that would provide an obstacle.

Ah.. that would provide an obstacle.

Indeed.

Then write little ficlets about battles that GB posts up.

He let me RP the Kim v. Rhee fight.

OK, no mega nation, how about only Tunisia merging with Algeria and the rest forming a series of pacts between them, this includes:

A- A pact recognising all border positions between us after holding a conference to discuss them.

B- A pact forbiding all nations from interfering in the internal affairs of another nation (Including providing funds for pollitical parties, any type of intervention against rebellions, insurgencies and uprisings...etc). Unless the nation affected asks for intervention or aid. This can be used as an alternative to escelating the situation to an international one (OOC: Aren't I a spoilsport? :p).

C- A trade pact of "Oil for Food", where Algeria and Libya export oil to Egypt and Morocco for favorable rates in exchange for foodstuffs in an equally favourable rate. (aid will be given by Algeria to Morocco to improve their fishing industry)

D- A research Pact between the nations mostly in the fields of Petrochemistry and Agriculture.

OK, no mega nation, how about only Tunisia merging with Algeria and the rest forming a series of pacts between them, this includes:

OOC:

Again, I restate my belief. The USA, China, India, Canada, and USSR are RL examples of Mega-Nations.

The USSR could have very well continued for at least a couple more decades if not for the whole Afghanistan fiasco which practically bankrupted the USSR, and it generated political fall out.

So it is possible for mega-nations to exist, but it will take a lot of work to maintain and stabilize one. If the USA could do it, that means it can be done for other nations with reforms and such if handled correctly.

OOC:
The USA, China, India, Canada, and USSR are RL examples of Mega-Nations.


Really? Canada?

Really? Canada?

Think of the Native Americans, the Quebecois, and the Acadians in one country. As well as various other things.

the Soviet Union is being a really poor sport and has just done the equilivant of kicking China and India in the groin. See the World War IIi thread.

The scary thing is that the biological weapons used in the post were ACTUALLY AVAILABLE during World War II, and the Japanese even used the bubonic plague against the Chinese in several incidents, killing nearly 100,000.

And they used light bombers, not the heavy bombers that the Soviet Union has access to in this RP, hence the much heavier damage inflicted.

the Soviet Union is being a really poor sport and has just done the equilivant of kicking China and India in the groin. See the World War IIi thread.

The scary thing is that the biological weapons used in the post were ACTUALLY AVAILABLE during World War II, and the Japanese even used the bubonic plague against the Chinese in several incidents, killing nearly 100,000.

And they used light bombers, not the heavy bombers that the Soviet Union has access to in this RP, hence the much heavier damage inflicted.

Owww! My groin!

I'd say places like Canada, the US, and Germany are sort of ex-mega nations. Just about everyone in those nations considers themselves Canadian, American, and German (respectively), before Algonquin, Virginian, or Bavarian. There are exceptions (see Quebecois, the entire population of rural Mississippi) but on the whole they've become more united.

Owww! My groin!

and while the Chinese and Indians are dealing with the first kick, the Soviets kick them again

With a bit more than shiny boots this time

Daaamn! I got nuked big time. I just thought you'd bomb Calcutta man, not kill off millions of my people with chemicals weapons and destroy my biggest city. There goes the prospect of making India as economically powerful in 1970 as it is now...

Daaamn! I got nuked big time. I just thought you'd bomb Calcutta man, not kill off millions of my people with chemicals weapons and destroy my biggest city. There goes the prospect of making India as economically powerful in 1970 as it is now...

Boston got nuked so I guess I won't exist at all in this timeline- Grandfather Paradox and all that.

Boston got nuked so I guess I won't exist at all in this timeline- Grandfather Paradox and all that.

Indeed.

But my family was in Worcester at that time; huzzah!

I exist. So hah.

Indeed.

But my family was in Worcester at that time; huzzah!

I exist. So hah.

They can still die from cancer from the radiation fallout.

Besides, there's no more Red Sox as Boston is destroyed, unless someone rebuilds Boston.

They can still die from cancer from the radiation fallout.

Besides, there's no more Red Sox as Boston is destroyed, unless someone rebuilds Boston.

They re-built hiroshima.

They re-built hiroshima.

True, but there were still some victims due to radiation poisoning though.

True, but there were still some victims due to radiation poisoning though.

Meh.

I think we both got screwed over in this war, though. Well, mostly me.

Ok, so Chatzy has been deemed "Pornography" by my school and blocked....

So yeah, I'll try to find another chat-like thing, but until then, sorry for getting cut of Sharina and TLS.

Parthini']Ok, so Chatzy has been deemed "Pornography" by my school and blocked....

So yeah, I'll try to find another chat-like thing, but until then, sorry for getting cut of Sharina and TLS.

LOLZ!

Chatzy is pr0n?

Daaamn! I got nuked big time. I just thought you'd bomb Calcutta man, not kill off millions of my people with chemicals weapons and destroy my biggest city. There goes the prospect of making India as economically powerful in 1970 as it is now...

may I point out that right now you have 20% of the worlds oil (in Iran) .. that should allow for considerable rebuilding.

Seriously though, it was the militarily logical thing to do... try to free up a front by using one atomic weapon and a couple hundred bombers carrying biological toxins.

Cities hit by nukes can be repaired using conventional production center repairs (12 points to repair 1 production center). Cities hit by Anthrax require 24 points total, but do not require production center repairs (the machinary and most of the workers are still around, they just cant use the city until its cleaned up). You can also move the production centers elsewhere using strategic moves. Allowing production to start somewhere else, and be built again from scratch at the eventually decontiminated Calcutta.

may I point out that right now you have 20% of the worlds oil (in Iran) .. that should allow for considerable rebuilding.

Seriously though, it was the militarily logical thing to do... try to free up a front by using one atomic weapon and a couple hundred bombers carrying biological toxins.

Cities hit by nukes can be repaired using conventional production center repairs (12 points to repair 1 production center). Cities hit by Anthrax require 24 points total, but do not require production center repairs (the machinary and most of the workers are still around, they just cant use the city until its cleaned up). You can also move the production centers elsewhere using strategic moves. Allowing production to start somewhere else, and be built again from scratch at the eventually decontiminated Calcutta.

But India? I mean, if they had bombed GB, they would have crippled it. I mean, London is the largest city in Europe. It's also a small country, so radiation would have gone all over the place. And with another bomb (maybe the one used on the Chinaman) they could bomb another industrial center, and then drop some anthrax, and BAM! Goodbye Great Britain. Ah, oh well.

Also, how do I know how much each city has? Also, for the 10 bazillionth time, what happened to my merchant fleet?

OK I've been waiting till the end of the war to ask this, how has the war affected Algeria? I hope that by commiting my small force to the war effort I was able to help the LTA without changing my economic policy (I haven't declared a national effort during the war) and the development of the oil fields were ongoing throughout the war.I hope that this will help Algeria's economy grow or at least not be affected much by the war.

Although, I think the Global market must have collapsed sometime after the leveling, chemicalising and nuking of the main production and economic centres of the world reducing demand for oil and other raw materials drasticly.

South America seems also unaffected by the war, unless you count the atomic winds coming from the north that is.

But India? I mean, if they had bombed GB, they would have crippled it. I mean, London is the largest city in Europe. It's also a small country, so radiation would have gone all over the place. And with another bomb (maybe the one used on the Chinaman) they could bomb another industrial center, and then drop some anthrax, and BAM! Goodbye Great Britain. Ah, oh well.

Also, how do I know how much each city has? Also, for the 10 bazillionth time, what happened to my merchant fleet?

they didn't try Great Britian because its the most heavily defended air space in the word.... Fighter Command had 4000 jet fighters, 1000 night fighters, and each major English city had 3 flak units defending it crammed into an area about 1/4 the size of India and China. In short, they had far less chance of success then hitting India and China, neither of which had an integrated air defense system. They hit North America because North America, like the Soviet Union, is simply too huge an air space to defend with the technology of the day. Portions of the US were very heavily defended (the Northeast, southern California, the oil refineries) but places like St. Louis and the Plains states were weakly defended by comparision.

Your merchant fleet survived the war intact by the way. As to distribution of production centers, they were concentrated in Bombay, Madras and Calcutta. You lost 3 damaged in Bombay, which can be repaired. Madras has 2, and Calcutta had 3, which can be moved.

they didn't try Great Britian because its the most heavily defended air space in the word.... Fighter Command had 4000 jet fighters, 1000 night fighters, and each major English city had 3 flak units defending it crammed into an area about 1/4 the size of India and China. In short, they had far less chance of success then hitting India and China, neither of which had an integrated air defense system. They hit North America because North America, like the Soviet Union, is simply too huge an air space to defend with the technology of the day. Portions of the US were very heavily defended (the Northeast, southern California, the oil refineries) but places like St. Louis and the Plains states were weakly defended by comparision.

Your merchant fleet survived the war intact by the way. As to distribution of production centers, they were concentrated in Bombay, Madras and Calcutta. You lost 3 damaged in Bombay, which can be repaired. Madras has 2, and Calcutta had 3, which can be moved.

I was wondering about my merchant ships as they will be a huge help in restoring China's economy.

From what I can remember, I had about 25 before WW-3 started and Japan invasion. The USA took away about 10 or so for "payment" for pilots and aircraft, which should leave me with 10 or so. Then I got about 15 merchants from Japan while Vietnam got 3 after Japan surrendered. So I should be back at my pre-war merchant fleet strength unless I'm mistaken.

What happened to the German economy?

Also, will we be posting builds for 1942-45, because since I wasn't doing much fighting, I was wondering if I can do the posts for that time period so I can get Germany back the way it was... minus Communism of course :p

Parthini']What happened to the German economy?

Also, will we be posting builds for 1942-45, because since I wasn't doing much fighting, I was wondering if I can do the posts for that time period so I can get Germany back the way it was... minus Communism of course :p

actually, ALL economies are being handled by me until 1945 to speed things up. You get your economy back then. Some substantial damage was suffered in Germany, and that, along with everyone elses damage will be posted, adjusted for what postwar repairs that could have been made considering how bad the postwar period is.

Sharina, your shipping figures look right. The ships the US took from China for payment were used to replace the serious US, UK and other Allied shipping losses suffered.

I only lost one merchant vessel *cheer*

The UK and I have brokered a deal for British Guyana. I will pay him 10 points for two years.

Question: When are Exclusive Economic Zones introduced? And who is our new US?

I lost the link to chatzy, can anyone help?

Chatzy: http://www.chatzy.com/684093003041

working on economic stuff at the moment, and an example is posted in the economics thread.

chatzy is here
http://www.chatzy.com/684093003041

working on economic stuff at the moment, and an example is posted in the economics thread.

chatzy is here
http://www.chatzy.com/684093003041

We're starting in 1945 instead of 50? Darn, looks like I'll have to do alot more work then...

We're starting in 1945 instead of 50? Darn, looks like I'll have to do alot more work then...

I figure it was time to spread the work around....

I figure it was time to spread the work around....

India got fricken NUKED! I have a shizit load of work to do! And since you're gonna be CANADA, you're fine and dandy, seeing how Canada avoided any major destruction of...well, anything!

India got fricken NUKED! I have a shizit load of work to do! And since you're gonna be CANADA, you're fine and dandy, seeing how Canada avoided any major destruction of...well, anything!

which would be true except for the fact I have to handle all of the NPC countries, which at this point includes the US

Why is GB switching from America, know one else has the knowledge eor has put in the time to play a major nation like America and it would be hard for another person to run America consistent to were its at in this rp.

You know... the more I think about it, the happier I am with GB staying as Amerika... that is as long as he stays isolationist... *cough*

which would be true except for the fact I have to handle all of the NPC countries, which at this point includes the US

That's why you appoint moderators! You don't have to do everything.

Mmm. Time for some British isolationism me thinks...

Post War Plans:

-Scrap Battleships, replace with Frigates, Destroyers and Carriers
-Improve economy as much as possible
-Continue to provide world class social provision (maybe upped to level 5 if I reach industrial peak, as a lack of growth won't change anything)
-Pull out of most foreign relations except the Commonwealth, Empire, close allies (USA, Germany etc.) and the UN
-If money left over perhaps begin work on some "wonders" to improve country eg. extravagent war memorials etc.

Why is GB switching from America, know one else has the knowledge eor has put in the time to play a major nation like America and it would be hard for another person to run America consistent to were its at in this rp.

as no one else seems excited about the idea of playing the US, I will consider the US an NPC nation for now, along with all of the other NPC nations.

Remember though, NPC nations do act according to their interests.

The US will keep a nuclear deterrent and the ability to police the seas, and otherwise will let the UN handle world problems for the most part. Although a Marshal Plan is likely (and clearly needed).

If an experienced and solid roleplayer with a firm grasp of history shows up who is interested, the US will be made available.

as no one else seems excited about the idea of playing the US, I will consider the US an NPC nation for now, along with all of the other NPC nations.

Remember though, NPC nations do act according to their interests.

The US will keep a nuclear deterrent and the ability to police the seas, and otherwise will let the UN handle world problems for the most part. Although a Marshal Plan is likely (and clearly needed).

If an experienced and solid roleplayer with a firm grasp of history shows up who is interested, the US will be made available.

I am potentially interested in America....but what kind of situation would I be facing if I was to join besides recent events? I know the US in E20 is definetly different than in RL. If it seems too much to handle, I can always go back to playing Korea, and trying to re-form the Seoul Conference Treaty.

Mmm. Time for some British isolationism me thinks...

Post War Plans:

-Scrap Battleships, replace with Frigates, Destroyers and Carriers.

Korea'd be willing to take excess war materials off your hands. The same for the US and other major Allied/UN powers.

Mmm. Time for some British isolationism me thinks...

Post War Plans:

-Scrap Battleships, replace with Frigates, Destroyers and Carriers
-Improve economy as much as possible
-Continue to provide world class social provision (maybe upped to level 5 if I reach industrial peak, as a lack of growth won't change anything)
-Pull out of most foreign relations except the Commonwealth, Empire, close allies (USA, Germany etc.) and the UN
-If money left over perhaps begin work on some "wonders" to improve country eg. extravagent war memorials etc.

What is the UK view of China?

China is an LTA member, and is in the exact same boat as India- wrecked, n00ked and bio-attacked.

I am potentially interested in America....but what kind of situation would I be facing if I was to join besides recent events? I know the US in E20 is definetly different than in RL. If it seems too much to handle, I can always go back to playing Korea, and trying to re-form the Seoul Conference Treaty.

I will get back to you on that... let me finish all of the post war economic stuff first

What is the UK view of China?

China is an LTA member, and is in the exact same boat as India- wrecked, n00ked and bio-attacked.

I can tell you the Australian view. Until real recently it wasnt the best (hate to beat the same dead horse again, but there is the whole Navy got wiped out thing). However, fighting together has helped some, and the ridiculous cruelty by the Russians has sort of shocked the public into a tabula rasa attitude. Blank slate type of thing, though we are wary of either India or China becoming too powerful too quickly...

I can tell you the Australian view. Until real recently it wasnt the best (hate to beat the same dead horse again, but there is the whole Navy got wiped out thing). However, fighting together has helped some, and the ridiculous cruelty by the Russians has sort of shocked the public into a tabula rasa attitude. Blank slate type of thing, though we are wary of either India or China becoming too powerful too quickly...

The sinking of Australian navy was under the old Imperial government, and China has had a democratic government since the mid 1930's.

The sinking of Australian navy was under the old Imperial government, and China has had a democratic government since the mid 1930's.

It's natural for people to identify china and the chinese with chinese actions. I'm not saying it's right (in fact, it's irrelevant because as I stated above, its basically a clean slate). However, you cant expect the average citizen to say, oh, it was a regime change, let's make nice-nice now. That's not how grudges work.

However, as before, it's in the past. I might also remind you of the projected giving of 80% of our budget to china in the coming years to help rebuild.

It's natural for people to identify china and the chinese with chinese actions. I'm not saying it's right (in fact, it's irrelevant because as I stated above, its basically a clean slate). However, you cant expect the average citizen to say, oh, it was a regime change, let's make nice-nice now. That's not how grudges work.

However, as before, it's in the past. I might also remind you of the projected giving of 80% of our budget to china in the coming years to help rebuild.

A favor that China will make damn sure to return. Perhaps invest more in Australia stuff or support Australia in whatever it does in the future. After all, China never forgets its friends.

What kind of aid will Germany be getting from the LTA. I know that India and China need some, too. But you know... when I get helped, I can help :)

Also, I think, if the prospect of Austria becoming separate is inevitable, at least a general plebicide should be conducted.

Parth, I may be able to send you some aid. I've already allocated some to India and China, but I don't know how much yet (Galveston is handling that).

is there any logical reason at all why EVERY time I go to chatzy I get booted off the internet 5 seconds later?

is there any logical reason at all why EVERY time I go to chatzy I get booted off the internet 5 seconds later?

Do you have any restrictions? Parthini has some from his school- like he can't go to adult sites, or any website with explicit sexual words or dirty stuff.

Parth, I may be able to send you some aid. I've already allocated some to India and China, but I don't know how much yet (Galveston is handling that).

sizeable aid was factored into the immediate postwar period 42-44, especially food, medicine, clean up assistance and some industrial rebuilding

Do you have any restrictions? Parthini has some from his school- like he can't go to adult sites, or any website with explicit sexual words or dirty stuff.

nah, dont think so. It is a private computer in my dorm room, and until 3 days ago it worked fine. I dont get a message or anything--it calls it a software failure, but it is only with Chatzy...

Obviously, everything should come into order really soon...and hopefully everything will work well. The Kingdom is willing to trade with anyone possible at this point to help stablize things and send humanitarian aid where it is needed...

sizeable aid was factored into the immediate postwar period 42-44, especially food, medicine, clean up assistance and some industrial rebuilding

I know India and China got a lot, but was any industrial aid given to Germany?

Also, are we going to do our points for 1945? If so, do we just use the economic facts you put on the WWIII thread?

Parthini']I know India and China got a lot, but was any industrial aid given to Germany?

You don't need any :(.

I mean, you didn't get nuked. And in RL, Germany is one of the most economically powerful nations in the world (It's the most economically powerful nation in Europe, it recently surpassed das U.K.)

Dornalia: Certainly feel free to ask for any parts of the Navy i'll be scrapping, though it'll mostly be Battleships and teh older cruisers to make may for a frigate and destroyer based navy.

What is the UK view of China?

China is an LTA member, and is in the exact same boat as India- wrecked, n00ked and bio-attacked.

China will recieve British Post-War aid. Britain respects China for it's stance against Communism and it's pro-democratic government, plus the fact that some pretty nasty stuff happened in China. However the British people will not easily forget the last war. I figure you'll get a fair amount, not as much as India as they're ex-Commonwealth and may wish to rejoin.


What kind of aid will Germany be getting from the LTA. I know that India and China need some, too. But you know... when I get helped, I can help

Britain'll donate some aid (seems like i'm doing a lot of that recently!) to her old German allies to rebuild Germany. I can't give any exact amounts yet though.

working on economic stuff... hope to have everything done by tomorrow night, allowing everyone to start Monday for the year 1945.

Some new rules added to economics, to reflect tech level 7 changes, and to allow for quicker recovery.

Specifically salvage, where 2 wrecked industrial centers can be converted into 1 fixed production center, and 1 permanently eliminated (which means building it again from scratch). In other words, you can get back up to half your damaged industry at the cost of having to build from scratch the other half.

I would suggest careful consideration, but as some nations have lost 50 - 90% damage during the war and drastic measures may be called for.

You don't need any :(.

I mean, you didn't get nuked. And in RL, Germany is one of the most economically powerful nations in the world (It's the most economically powerful nation in Europe, it recently surpassed das U.K.)

I know that Germany was one of the most economically powerful, and is in RL. However, I think you forget that I got craploads of my industry trashed by bombs. I'm no China, but I still lost my damned fair share.

Three questions:

1. Sharina-What about one of the options we discussed, say purchasing a portion of Manchuria in exchange for aid?

2. Lesser Ribena- Just what battleships are you selling off?

3. And for all Asian Players- What would you think of a renewed Seoul Conference Treaty? Perhaps either a clone of the original, or something like the Common Market.

I think a clone of the origional would be best, we can't let the LTA be the only alliance block around can we?

I think a clone of the origional would be best, we can't let the LTA be the only alliance block around can we?

That'd be a place to start, we can let other potential members negotiate changes or additions to terms. I ultimately envision a sort of East Asian Union, like the RL EU, that is economically powerful, and a sort of friendly competitor to the LTA.

That'd be a place to start, we can let other potential members negotiate changes or additions to terms. I ultimately envision a sort of East Asian Union, like the RL EU, that is economically powerful, and a sort of friendly competitor to the LTA.

Yup that sounds good, we must also make Japan our economic pawn (payback time)

Yup that sounds good, we must also make Japan our economic pawn (payback time)

Hmm....ICly, I'm game for some kind of reaction to Wartime events (they and the Russkies sunk our shipping!). Of course, bear in mind they've been mostly defanged by the LTA forces-so we might want to ease up a little. I'd actually like to let them in, though with some kind of restrictions, official or not.

Done.

I am going to start a new main thread because the first post of this page was deliberately sabotaged (and removed) in a fit of anger or whatever by Vas acting as Hrstrovokia.

the new thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10367984&postcount=1