NationStates Jolt Archive

Parthini']Meh. :mad:

Technically, though, according to the Treaty of Daresallem I can run away to British ports, and if you fire on me there, declaration of war against Britain. I think that would be compelling enough :p

And according to the military thread, my navy is better:

Germany
12 BB1, 12 BB2, 25 CA, 24 CP1, 12 CP2, 7 Torprons, 14 Patrons, 2 Subron

Italian Navy (Regia Marina)
3 BB2, 12 BB3, 6 CA, 7 CP1, 4 Desrons, 1 Patron, 4 Torprons

However, I do agree that the first battle would equal a loss:Germany, because most of my stuff is either in Kiel or Venezuela. However, if that should change...

My internal map is outdated then, because I swore I had parts of Tyrolia...

Oh, well. Truth to tell, Young Willi isn't his father (aka. sane) so he wouldn't jump into a war like that. Neither would Bulow, so until the Kaiser wakes up, Germany is nice... relatively.

yes, in overall strength, the Germans have superiority. However, in deployed strength (actually in the Med) the Italians certainly have superiority, and also have it over the Austrians when combined with the Germans in that theater.

a small problem with the Treaty of DarSalaam, see this post

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9390113&postcount=18

so how willing is the British government to toss international law?

Bah @ International Law! Who made this crap anyways :P

As a British colony, I've got to go along with the Mother Country, regardless of international law.

That is, of course, unless the French or the Americans or someone wants to fund a Boer uprising against the British ;) .

Parthini']Bah @ International Law! Who made this crap anyways :P

amusingly enough, mostly the British .... with some help from the Popes, the French, and the Spanish not to mention even the Romans (it goes back a LONG way)

Well, I could still stay for 48 Hours :D

Parthini']Well, I could still stay for 48 Hours :D

there is also a limit on the number of belligerent ships as well (3 or 4, I forget which... look up the Graf Spee Incident during World War II for some details on all of this)

Bah! :mad:

Fine. They'll just switch over to British control! I'll make sure British flags are stored in each ship then... :cool:

I'm back. However, a few new things have cropped up, as I'm going to be undertaking a major surgery this Friday. I'm going to have an implant put in to enable me to hear for the very first time (I'm deaf if you didn't know already).

So I will be pretty busy in RL getting stuff in order, doing last minute stuff, getting prepared for the surgery, etc. over the next week. My RP'ing will be somewhat limited, but I will be able to check in here and maybe do brief diplomacy stuff, just not deep and involving RP's for a bit though.

By the way, I responded to the USA, Japan, and Italy diplomacy in my Chinese Events / Timeline thread. I think I'll take Fluffy and V.P.'s suggestion about Chinese names. I'll refer to my new dynasty as the Tian dynasty and the Emperor as just Guozu. If it doesn't follow the exact Chinese naming protocol, I can claim its a more "modernized naming system" or something in a new Modern China. That can work, can it? :p

WOW Sharina!.... good luck and prayers, lots of prayers

Good luck to you, again!

On a side note, I took the initiative and created a Chatzy room for this so that those of us who don't have/want AIM/MSN/YIM can just log on here. I will telegram the Mods the Admin pw. E20 Chat (http://www.chatzy.com/684093003041)

Ahh! Whats going on? Italy wants to invade Italian Lands that I gave him already, Germany is threatening to annex Austria, people are saying I'm massacaring Slavs!

What's the policy related to invading Non player nations,I want to know before I do any rps of conquest.

What's the policy related to invading Non player nations,I want to know before I do any rps of conquest.

Galveston Bay here, speaking as war moderator (from a previous post)

as far as taking any territory held by nonplayer countries, my feeling is that depending on the situation a player nation will beat a nonplayer nation unless another player nation gets involved. So let me know what your exact plans are and I can figure out for you how long it will likely take, and probable casualties etc.

also try to use the military thread when possible, and at least please read the notes I have posted regarding how war works in the 20th century

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=427277

Well, I plan to conquer Persia, then march into Afghanistan. And also take Nejd , Arabia. Yet I plan to conquer each nation one at a time, so first will be Nejd, Arabia.

Well, I plan to conquer Persia, then march into Afghanistan. And also take Nejd , Arabia. Yet I plan to conquer each nation one at a time, so first will be Nejd, Arabia.

It will take a year to conquer Persia, plus another year for Afghanistan, but then it will take a rather large garrison (probably close to 200,000 men) to hold the place secure, only 50,000 to hold the cities though. In each place.

Nejd is easier, figure a single 3 month season (probably fall or winter) and only a few thousand to hold it down reasonably well, but at least 50,000 to secure it completely.

the Persians, Arabs and Afghanis are a fractious lot, and think war is a sport, so even when conquered they will raid a lot.

Casualties in Persia and Afghanistan will be heavy, the climate is awful, the terrain even worse, and of course disease is a problem. Figure you will lose about 10% of your invading army each month to disease, weather, and enemy action for the first year, about 2% a month after that. The Turkish Army is weak on logistics, hence the heavy casualties. In other words, figure 240,000 dead or crippled in a year (for Persia, the same again for Afghanistan) plus more wounded or sick or injured who recover. Good thing you have conscription isn't it?

Nejd won't be nearly as bad, figure 5% first 3 months, 1% a month after that.

Things get better in the 1940s when medicines like antibiotics, sulfa drugs etc come along.

Yeah Nejd is going to be a cake walk compare to Persia,I know am going to take high losses, the plus to this is that I am going to send all those bloody Young Turk officers to the Persian Conquest and let them died, just killing off those who are ploting the coup of 1910...

Austria: I didn't plan to annex you. I'm just saying, if Mother Russia begins to get too feisty, I will annex all the Germans to keep them from being murdered by vengeful Slavs. I don't really want to annex them anyways. They're all a bunch of yucky liberals. :gundge:

Ottomans: Remember, I kinda left Persia out to dry. It is in the middle of the civil war, with the Rebels owning the West and South, while the Army came back and has the North and East. Maybe you could ally with one?

Also, that's a good idea to beat out the scummy Pashas. I plan to have a previously unknown landscape artist have a marvellous display in Paris, named something like Heinrich... or Hiedelburg... or Himmler... something like that ;)

Parthini']Austria: I didn't plan to annex you. I'm just saying, if Mother Russia begins to get too feisty, I will annex all the Germans to keep them from being murdered by vengeful Slavs. I don't really want to annex them anyways. They're all a bunch of yucky liberals. :gundge:

Ottomans: Remember, I kinda left Persia out to dry. It is in the middle of the civil war, with the Rebels owning the West and South, while the Army came back and has the North and East. Maybe you could ally with one?

Also, that's a good idea to beat out the scummy Pashas. I plan to have a previously unknown landscape artist have a marvellous display in Paris, named something like Heinrich... or Hiedelburg... or Himmler... something like that ;)

Thanks for the heads up, I'll see what I can do for that , maybe have the Persians fight themselfs...hmm...that may lower our my losses quiet a bit..

Brazil shall keep a Neutral stance on both nations in this potential war between germany and Italy...

There have been concerns over heavy fighting between local Italian and german Business owners in Brazil over the past weeks. both minorities have reached fever pitch and demand the brazilian government take a side.... The rioting has been largely chrushed. brazilian police taking no sides and suppressed the fighting in the capital Rio de janiero.

President Alves has ordered all german and Italian Minorities in the country to remain at peace with each other or face deportation. despite the fatc brazil has trade agreements with both countries...

Juast a heads up, my troops will probably entering Montenegro tommorrow (monday) via Bosnia-Herzegovina, which I annexed last tuesday. (RL time) It was a colony of sorts for Austria-Hungary before that and slightly earlier than in RL.

Austrian moves in the Balkans are easily acceptable, and very historical.. now what will the Bulgarians, Serbs and Greeks have to say about it?

Howdy Im not too late to join the fray... If not can I be portugal????not too glorious that century but they had a big empire....

Hmm.... just in time to save yourself from the ravaging Teutons...

Also, GB if you want I can get on the Chat for a few minutes. http://www.chatzy.com/684093003041

hmmmm warmongering germans. I would have guessed.. lol :D

lol joke.... apologies in advance

Hey, I got nothing against Portugal... I have to get thru France and Spain first ;)

I just want all of your little Atlantic Islands.

Can I retain my african possessions though..... :( Il make a deal...

If not is Denmark still a viable player in the game???

Maybe I dont just get it. Europes Germanys lol :D

Yeah. I don't need those. I just need some coaling stations to get from Venezuela to Germany. I'll give you... gosh... I dunno how much money those are worth. Anybody know?

I will settle for a non aggression pact and a undisclosed sum of money. do you need the Cape verde islands??? i will ( under the assumption i get Portugal) relinquish to you.. Madeira and the Azores....

I will need a island base to rest my Trading fleet to my colonies. e.t.c.

Yeah, its a deal. I'll make a post about it tommorow. I advise you to make a thread called "Portugal News [E20]" That way you can do stuff there.

Now, I have to go to bed to appease the facist dictator that rules my abode :gundge:

Heh Heh..........


sweet i will add the thread following research....

Vas pokorim Is this ok with you???

Juast a heads up, my troops will probably entering Montenegro tommorrow (monday) via Bosnia-Herzegovina, which I annexed last tuesday. (RL time) It was a colony of sorts for Austria-Hungary before that and slightly earlier than in RL.
Bosnia-Herzegovina was bad enough, but this is going just too far. It's high time the shooting started, anyway.

Anyone know when France will return?

here is the link to the portugal news thread. if my claim is valid...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9395927#post9395927post9395927

also I saw a map link ages back. is it possible to put it on the main page??

Bosnia-Herzegovina was bad enough, but this is going just too far. It's high time the shooting started, anyway.
VP get online!

Ok. Well I waited til my parents went to sleep then snuck out of bed :rolleyes:

It's high time the shooting started, anyway.

Shit, shit, shit. :headbang:

Terribly sorry about this chaps, but I have got a family crisis on my hands at the moment and it i slikely that I will not have access to the computer for a while (probably around 6-7 days or so) as I will have to move around a bit first. Sorry to have to leave for so long again (I'll try not to make a habit o fit, I promise) and especially as the US is on the verge of war with Germany over Venezuela. However hopefully it should still be unresolved when I get back and shouldn't start until after then.

I leave tomorrow so I still have a bit of time before then, if anyone needs to TG me urgently. As last time just assume that the British government will blunder on and attempt to hold onto it's possessions until I return. If the Venezuela thing flares up before then just assume that the British government will first apply pressure to both sides diplomatically and then will spend the rest of the time talking it over in Parliament until I get back. Though they are bound by the Daresalem treaty to offer up territory and resources to the German Army.

Again sorry that I have to absent myself once more, this should hopefuly be the last time, but it should only be for 6 or 7 days and I will be back again! There's just some RL factors that you can't control, unfortunately. Will see you guys tomorrow, or next week if I miss you then.

As much as I hate to say it, I'm afraid that I'm not going to be able to keep up as Serbia anymore, at least for the time being owing to RL circumstances (namely summer work for school) and a few large NS threads to which I'm previously obligated. Thank you everyone for allowing me control of Srbija in the short time that I was able to roleplay in this great project, and I wish you the best of luck in its continuation.

I leave tomorrow so I still have a bit of time before then, if anyone needs to TG me urgently. As last time just assume that the British government will blunder on and attempt to hold onto it's possessions until I return. If the Venezuela thing flares up before then just assume that the British government will first apply pressure to both sides diplomatically and then will spend the rest of the time talking it over in Parliament until I get back. Though they are bound by the Daresalem treaty to offer up territory and resources to the German Army..

The main thing I need to know is whether or not you are continuing on your historical schedule as far as shipbuilding goes... specificially will the Dreadnought be completed on schedule

The Americans aren't ready to go to war yet, figure 1906 at the earliest

The naval building will go ahead as planned. I posted a new schedule in the military thread.

Important events (historically) in 1905
the British build the Dreadnought (which is commissioned in 1906), the Wright Brothers actually manage to fly 24 miles and reach a speed of around 60 miles per hour. Zeppelin is having some problems but progress is made, more from him next year.

A Jewish clerk named Einstein writes 4 earthshaking papers including the theory of relativity.

There is still no Russo-Japanese War, and therefore, no Russian Revolution in 1905, aside from problems in the Ukraine (generated in RP)

Germany and the US relations are tense. A Pan American Conference will begin in February in Washington DC.

Historically, the Kaiser made demands about Morocco, but since he is in a coma at the moment, this may not occur.

and on June 7 - The Norwegian Parliament declares the union with Sweden dissolved, thus Norway achieves its indepence.

Important events (historically) in 1905
the British build the Dreadnought (which is commissioned in 1906), the Wright Brothers actually manage to fly 24 miles and reach a speed of around 60 miles per hour. Zeppelin is having some problems but progress is made, more from him next year.

A Jewish clerk named Einstein writes 4 earthshaking papers including the theory of relativity.

There is still no Russo-Japanese War, and therefore, no Russian Revolution in 1905, aside from problems in the Ukraine (generated in RP)

Germany and the US relations are tense. A Pan American Conference will begin in February in Washington DC.

Historically, the Kaiser made demands about Morocco, but since he is in a coma at the moment, this may not occur.

and on June 7 - The Norwegian Parliament declares the union with Sweden dissolved, thus Norway achieves its indepence.

So does that mean if I hire Einstein, I can travel through time :p

And I can't make demands on Morocco, because the French haven't done anything there :rolleyes:

The Americans aren't ready to go to war yet, figure 1906 at the earliest

Oh yeah, great. Thanks for letting me know :rolleyes: :gundge:

Parthini']So does that mean if I hire Einstein, I can travel through time :p

And I can't make demands on Morocco, because the French haven't done anything there :rolleyes:

Actually, you could. No one has really made any demands there yet. The French and Spanish have interest, and Tangiers is under Spanish protection. But Morocco is still independent at this point. How everyone else wants to react however is another issue (chuckle)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=436473

Canada's news thread

Do we have an active Dutch player?

Do we have an active Dutch player?

No we don't at this time

I, Macedonia, have returned from vacation (in montana if anyone cares), can some one give me an update, or atleast tell me what year we are in?

can somebody give me the rough population of the entire portuguese empire??? i know i got about 6 million portuguese in portugal proper...

Tag

Okay, two questions:

1.) Did the economics thread get updated yet? If not, I say the format for the update should go like this: GB, apparantly the most in tune with history in this period, goes through all of the active nations and says "Nation X should probably grow 2% per year since 1900, with 1% population growth." The rest of us economods then say, "yeah, Nation X should do that," or, "nah, Nation X should grow more/less slowly. You forgot this development." Then, once all of us state our opinions, we make the changes official. We give everyone 'till Wednesday to say something about the changes, at which point they become official.

To expediate the process, all nations should post a brief description of all that has changed since 1900 as opposed to history. The Anglo-German alliance is one such example. This prevents us from having to go through all the threads to discover what happened. Educational developments, railway construction, shipyards, factories, army/navy adjustments, sales, trade agreements, etc. should be taken into account. Some nations, which may have acquired/lost territory should have population adjustments.

2.) As Italy, do I also get control over the Pope? How about San Marino? The Pope resides in Italy and doesn't have the Vatican as an independent state (I believe that happened once Mussolini took power), and if I get control I'd have him strike a deal where he gets the Vatican in exchange for his cessation of meddling in Italian politics. San Marino is a small state with like 40,000 people living in it, but it is independent.

Okay, two questions:

1.) Did the economics thread get updated yet? If not, I say the format for the update should go like this: GB, apparantly the most in tune with history in this period, goes through all of the active nations and says "Nation X should probably grow 2% per year since 1900, with 1% population growth." The rest of us economods then say, "yeah, Nation X should do that," or, "nah, Nation X should grow more/less slowly. You forgot this development." Then, once all of us state our opinions, we make the changes official. We give everyone 'till Wednesday to say something about the changes, at which point they become official.

To expediate the process, all nations should post a brief description of all that has changed since 1900 as opposed to history. The Anglo-German alliance is one such example. This prevents us from having to go through all the threads to discover what happened. Educational developments, railway construction, shipyards, factories, army/navy adjustments, sales, trade agreements, etc. should be taken into account. Some nations, which may have acquired/lost territory should have population adjustments.

Sounds agreeable. There must be like 10 - 15 news threads, which can be a pain to go through. We should go for what Fluffy said, at the start of each "year" or "increment", the players should post a summary of what happened in the past year. Then the mods analyze that and decide whether to tweak economy and tech and whatever "up" or "down".

Any appeals should be permitted, as well.

2.) As Italy, do I also get control over the Pope? How about San Marino? The Pope resides in Italy and doesn't have the Vatican as an independent state (I believe that happened once Mussolini took power), and if I get control I'd have him strike a deal where he gets the Vatican in exchange for his cessation of meddling in Italian politics. San Marino is a small state with like 40,000 people living in it, but it is independent.

I think that should make for an interesting RP. See whether the Pope gets the Vatican or not, or even the end of the papacy. :p

That would be interesting. The Pope flees to San Marino to lead the Catholic Church while he negotiates with Italy for territory in Rome....

That would be interesting. The Pope flees to San Marino to lead the Catholic Church while he negotiates with Italy for territory in Rome....

It might be a good spark for a world war. Christian nations aganist Protestants, Islam aganist Buddhists, etc. :p

Yes, you pagan Chinese must be converted or God's Own Wrath shall strike you down where you stand. And the followers of false prophets, the Protestants, must bow down before the Vicar of Christ before it is too late; failure to bow before God's Own Representative is equivalent to not bowing before God Himself. That is why I, Pope Fluffywuffy, hereby declare that it is the holy and righteous duty of all followers of the One True Church band together to end the unholy practices of the barbarian pagan and deceived Protestant in the same stroke. Sleep not with the pagan, the Protestant; forgoe all business with the children of Satan. The Lord is angered, and it is time to reign in God's children under the one holy banner of Christ.

God is a forgiving god. Adulterers, murders, thieves--all these people have been saved by following the true Lord, Jesus Christ. Therefore march against these children of the devil himself in the knowledge that God shall forgive all the poor souls that stand in the way of uniting Christendom and the world. Let our unification be swift and just!

EDIT: Now just imagine if the Pope becomes ruler of Italy. "The Austrians accept the false religion of Islam in their newly claimed territories. Such acceptance is the work of Satan, and where Satan resides true Christians must go to war. Therefore, the Holy Kingdom of Christendom hereby declares war on the Austrian Satanists."

OOC: I might need some help as Taiwan, or more properly in these times, Formosa.

There was an Earthquake in Chiayi City, sometime in 1905, and a population count was done in 1905. However, attempts to get deeper info on these events have been fruitless. Can anybody help me?

OOC: I might need some help as Taiwan, or more properly in these times, Formosa.

There was an Earthquake in Chiayi City, sometime in 1905, and a population count was done in 1905. However, attempts to get deeper info on these events have been fruitless. Can anybody help me?

I'm a little confused. I thought the Japanese had already annexed Formosa? Or am I thinking of 1910 onwards?

If not (if Formosa / Taiwan is independent in 1905), then by all means play as Taiwan. :)

I could just restore the Holy Roman Empire....

The infidels of Germany shall not restore any Holy Roman Empire. If there is to be a Holy Roman Empire, it shall be ruled from Rome by the Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Patriarch of the West, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Servant of the Servants of God: Pius X.

I'm a little confused. I thought the Japanese had already annexed Formosa? Or am I thinking of 1910 onwards?

If not (if Formosa / Taiwan is independent in 1905), then by all means play as Taiwan. :)

OOC: Well, Formosa is not really independent now, at this stage, it should be Japanese owned. I just wanted to do some fact-checking, seeing how Wikipedia is really, really general about Japanese Colonial Era-Taiwan.

OOC: Well, Formosa is not really independent now, at this stage, it should be Japanese owned. I just wanted to do some fact-checking, seeing how Wikipedia is really, really general about Japanese Colonial Era-Taiwan.

No problem.

I'd be glad to have you RP in this project if you'd like. I'm the chief moderator, or admin in this project as Hstrovokia had to withdraw from NS for RL reasons, and he left me in charge (I was 2nd-in-command). You can check which nations are left and pick an interesting one to RP out. I just do not want you to end up picking a colony nation then get crushed by its "owner" in your first couple of weeks of RP'ing.

No problem.

I'd be glad to have you RP in this project if you'd like. I'm the chief moderator, or admin in this project as Hstrovokia had to withdraw from NS for RL reasons, and he left me in charge (I was 2nd-in-command). You can check which nations are left and pick an interesting one to RP out. I just do not want you to end up picking a colony nation then get crushed by its "owner" in your first couple of weeks of RP'ing.

Hmm....you do have a point. Formosa was a Japanese colony, and the Japanese did get very tough on the locals......

How's Korea sound?

I just do not want you to end up picking a colony nation then get crushed by its "owner" in your first couple of weeks of RP'ing.

Heh. Like me.

Hmm....you do have a point. Formosa was a Japanese colony, and the Japanese did get very tough on the locals......

How's Korea sound?

You'll have to talk to Fluffywuffy. He was the player of Korea before he switched over to Italy. He can fill you in what state Korea was in before he "switched", as well as any plans Korea had. :)

Ok, New Dornalia, the Korean situation is basically that as of the turn of the century: industrialising, with the theoretical capability to become a major Asian player by around 1920. A large loan has been taken out from France, and you've still got a few billion left to play with as a reserve.

Emperor Kojong (or Gojong, as his name is alternatively spelled; you can use either) is the leader of Korea, and boy is he angry at Japan. Not too long ago (maybe a decade or so; exact date is lost to me) Japanese assassins killed Empress Ming, whose diplomatic negotiations created a balance of power to prevent the occupation of Korea. Following the assassination, the Emperor refused to speak even with his own father, who he felt had a role in the plot. So the Emperor doesn't like Japan, but at the behest of his advisors he has agreed to negotiate with them. Historically he was a succesful moderniser, even in the face of Japanese imperialism.

He has two important sons, Prince Sunjong and Prince Gang. Prince Sunjong is, historically, appointed Emperor by the Japanese after Emperor Kojong abdicates. (Russo-Japanese war enabled Japan to conquer Korea) Any how, Sunjong would favor friendlier relations with Japan. So that fact alone may make Emperor Kojong decide not to appoint him.

Prince Gang is more likely to kill Japanese than befriend them. When Korea was occupied historically, Gang led a (ineffectual) guerilla group against the Japanese. In 1907 (or there-abouts) he declared himself Emperor, but the Japanese cracked down on him and he fled to Manchuria. Even then, the Japanese still found him and arrested him. He would probably would attempt using diplomacy to secure Korea against any aggressors. If Japan invades and he lives, he will retreat to north Korea and fight from the (near) impenetrable mountains there. However, he will not amount to much with those attacks.

Complicating the entire Korean situation is the legacy of the Tonghak Rebellion. Circa 1880-90, the Rebellion was about democracy and all that jazz. Kojong calls on China to send troops to smash the rebellion, which it procedes to do. Japan then does the same and starts the Sino-Japanese war. So to prevent future rebellions Emperor Kojong created a legislative body, Congress, to pass laws if he approves of the laws.

As part of my plan to modernise, I had Korea invest in the Wankel rotary engine, which has a higher weight-power ratio. A 5-7 liter Wankel is likely to be as good as a 8-10 liter normal engine, plus the Wankel is simpler to manufacture. This means you could build cheaper cars that are lighter and, therefore, faster. That would give Korea an edge, though I think the engine could be finished at the earliest only around 1915. So I decided it was best to import Chinese coking coal (Korea has little of that) to help the Korean steel industry, which used Korean iron. The south is mainly agrian, and so I believe I bought mechanical reapers to increase efficiency, though I could be mistaken.

Okay, two questions:

1.) Did the economics thread get updated yet? If not, I say the format for the update should go like this: GB, apparantly the most in tune with history in this period, goes through all of the active nations and says "Nation X should probably grow 2% per year since 1900, with 1% population growth." The rest of us economods then say, "yeah, Nation X should do that," or, "nah, Nation X should grow more/less slowly. You forgot this development." Then, once all of us state our opinions, we make the changes official. We give everyone 'till Wednesday to say something about the changes, at which point they become official.

To expediate the process, all nations should post a brief description of all that has changed since 1900 as opposed to history. The Anglo-German alliance is one such example. This prevents us from having to go through all the threads to discover what happened. Educational developments, railway construction, shipyards, factories, army/navy adjustments, sales, trade agreements, etc. should be taken into account. Some nations, which may have acquired/lost territory should have population adjustments.

2.) As Italy, do I also get control over the Pope? How about San Marino? The Pope resides in Italy and doesn't have the Vatican as an independent state (I believe that happened once Mussolini took power), and if I get control I'd have him strike a deal where he gets the Vatican in exchange for his cessation of meddling in Italian politics. San Marino is a small state with like 40,000 people living in it, but it is independent.

Galveston Bay here, I plan to deal with the economics thread this week. The Pope should be an independent player or Non player, either way. San Marino is a blip on the radar screen of history, but still isn't really important. Italy can agree to create the Vatican though. And yes, a brief description of what everyone has done would be helpful in that it would save me some time.

Valencia Conference (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=436804) This should be of interest to all nations but is still SIC the only ones with knowledge of it is Italy, Spain(me), France, and Portugal

Teddy Roosevelt hits the ground running...

Pan America conference
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=436808

Conference between China, Japan and the US (which is in secret by the way)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=436697

The purpose of controlling San Marino would be to have San Marino harbor a few people. I am planning on having an alternate-Mussolini, and San Marino is required for it, but must be independent.

Ok, New Dornalia, the Korean situation is basically that as of the turn of the century: industrialising, with the theoretical capability to become a major Asian player by around 1920. A large loan has been taken out from France, and you've still got a few billion left to play with as a reserve.

Emperor Kojong (or Gojong, as his name is alternatively spelled; you can use either) is the leader of Korea, and boy is he angry at Japan. Not too long ago (maybe a decade or so; exact date is lost to me) Japanese assassins killed Empress Ming, whose diplomatic negotiations created a balance of power to prevent the occupation of Korea. Following the assassination, the Emperor refused to speak even with his own father, who he felt had a role in the plot. So the Emperor doesn't like Japan, but at the behest of his advisors he has agreed to negotiate with them. Historically he was a succesful moderniser, even in the face of Japanese imperialism.

He has two important sons, Prince Sunjong and Prince Gang. Prince Sunjong is, historically, appointed Emperor by the Japanese after Emperor Kojong abdicates. (Russo-Japanese war enabled Japan to conquer Korea) Any how, Sunjong would favor friendlier relations with Japan. So that fact alone may make Emperor Kojong decide not to appoint him.

Prince Gang is more likely to kill Japanese than befriend them. When Korea was occupied historically, Gang led a (ineffectual) guerilla group against the Japanese. In 1907 (or there-abouts) he declared himself Emperor, but the Japanese cracked down on him and he fled to Manchuria. Even then, the Japanese still found him and arrested him. He would probably would attempt using diplomacy to secure Korea against any aggressors. If Japan invades and he lives, he will retreat to north Korea and fight from the (near) impenetrable mountains there. However, he will not amount to much with those attacks.

Complicating the entire Korean situation is the legacy of the Tonghak Rebellion. Circa 1880-90, the Rebellion was about democracy and all that jazz. Kojong calls on China to send troops to smash the rebellion, which it procedes to do. Japan then does the same and starts the Sino-Japanese war. So to prevent future rebellions Emperor Kojong created a legislative body, Congress, to pass laws if he approves of the laws.

As part of my plan to modernise, I had Korea invest in the Wankel rotary engine, which has a higher weight-power ratio. A 5-7 liter Wankel is likely to be as good as a 8-10 liter normal engine, plus the Wankel is simpler to manufacture. This means you could build cheaper cars that are lighter and, therefore, faster. That would give Korea an edge, though I think the engine could be finished at the earliest only around 1915. So I decided it was best to import Chinese coking coal (Korea has little of that) to help the Korean steel industry, which used Korean iron. The south is mainly agrian, and so I believe I bought mechanical reapers to increase efficiency, though I could be mistaken.

Hmm....sounds fun. Bit of a challenge, but I can do it.

EDIT: One question, I read the news thread, when do you expect the various internal improvements, railroads and the like, to get done?

New Dornalia just a FYI, I (Austria-Hungary) currently have about 10,000 troops in Korea helping train its soldiers and helping equip them with better weapons.

New Dornalia just a FYI, I (Austria-Hungary) currently have about 10,000 troops in Korea helping train its soldiers and helping equip them with better weapons.

Thanks, man. Just trying to get as much info as possible so I don't mess up, suffice to say, this sort of realistic period RP can get kinda intimidating at times.

If France's player doesn't show up, can I go ahead with my Independence movement/decleration?

If France's player doesn't show up, can I go ahead with my Independence movement/decleration?

hmm, its been over a week, but I can't remember if he said he would be gone 2 weeks or 1 week... suggestions? (from other RP mods)....

although if he doesn't show up before too much longer I say we promote you (Jensai) to France

Hmmm....I believe I started the various internal improvements around 1902-ish. So I'd wager that by 1910 all of the currently planned railways will be finished, barring war or some other extreme measures. Also by this time the Korean steel/coal/iron industries should be up to speed, able to satisfy Korea's (probably) small demand by that time. In 1915 those industries will probably be well developed and mostly modernised, able to satisfy Korea's needs and allow for a sizeable percentage being exported.

I was wondering can treaties be established with NPC nations? If so can anyone tell me how?

Hmmm....I believe I started the various internal improvements around 1902-ish. So I'd wager that by 1910 all of the currently planned railways will be finished, barring war or some other extreme measures. Also by this time the Korean steel/coal/iron industries should be up to speed, able to satisfy Korea's (probably) small demand by that time. In 1915 those industries will probably be well developed and mostly modernised, able to satisfy Korea's needs and allow for a sizeable percentage being exported.

Would you advise, say, proposing construction of shipyards at the current moment? I'm not quite sure, frankly, what move to make at this point :( .

I was wondering can treaties be established with NPC nations? If so can anyone tell me how?

What do you have in mind?

What exactly do I do now that I have claimed a nation and made a thread thing:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=436774

Hello, This is the King of Denmark, I have been away on vacation in Mexico and am deeply sorry for not replying to any diplomatic or social calls made by any leaders of the world. I will return on 8/12/05 and will catch myself up entirely of all world issues.

In all due respect,
King of Denmark

I'd advise you contact China and Japan, get them to ally and trade with you, and just work at getting foriegn investment. Shipyards would be useful for Korea if you want to either build a navy or contract with other nations (such as Japan) to build ships in the yards. I would advise against building much of a navy; you could potentially build a few merchant vessels to capture (as yet) unclaimed Pacific islands, assuming conquests of Pacific islands is not going to historical schedule. However, most of those islands are on the coast of Australia....

I'd advise you contact China and Japan, get them to ally and trade with you, and just work at getting foriegn investment. Shipyards would be useful for Korea if you want to either build a navy or contract with other nations (such as Japan) to build ships in the yards. I would advise against building much of a navy; you could potentially build a few merchant vessels to capture (as yet) unclaimed Pacific islands, assuming conquests of Pacific islands is not going to historical schedule. However, most of those islands are on the coast of Australia....

Thanks! :D Will do.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9410199&postcount=7

Korean want ad for shipyards.....looking for buyers....

the french player(Kaduna) said he would be gone for 2 weeks which puts him back here on august 14...i know im not a mod but hes my friend and i know hes a good rper so im just vouching for him

the french player(Kaduna) said he would be gone for 2 weeks which puts him back here on august 14...i know im not a mod but hes my friend and i know hes a good rper so im just vouching for him

Well, I know that much, just looking for IC responses. Oh and next week, I'll be at summer camp, just to let the mods of E20 know.....

Whenever you're ready to RP a conference between China and Korea on trade and stuff, let me know. Just give me the RP link and I'll be there. :)

Whenever you're ready to RP a conference between China and Korea on trade and stuff, let me know. Just give me the RP link and I'll be there. :)

How about if I host it in Seoul?

How about if I host it in Seoul?

Sounds good.

Here's the conference thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437029)

If im not mistaken Morrocco has not been taken yet has it?

Thanks for the info GB.

For those of you who are interested I have added a map to the foreign possessions thread which i'll update as the RP progresses.

It can be found HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9136878#post9136878)

All of the big players have their empires marked on and i'm working on the other countries. Countries in white are currently independent.


thought Id quote this so i dont have to keep referring back to page 62 grrrrr lol :p

What is the lowdown on morroco. can we all gang rape it like the nations did inReal life and all grab a piece of the action. hmmmm International orgy in Morroco. Im in. lol :p

hmm, its been over a week, but I can't remember if he said he would be gone 2 weeks or 1 week... suggestions? (from other RP mods)....

although if he doesn't show up before too much longer I say we promote you (Jensai) to France

Sounds good to me.

What do you have in mind?

Well, since the turks are very generous the Balkan wars probably won't happen (scrap plans for accquiring Dobruja) I was thinking of forming a regional mutual defence pact which I hope will form The Balkan League -which should have formed in the balkan wars- with Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia and Macedonia. Mainly because its a good way to develop the region and partly because of recent movements by the dual monarchy is making me nervous.

but of course, since Generic Empire resigned Serbia I think that it is now a NPC nation...

Well, since the turks are very generous the Balkan wars probably won't happen (scrap plans for accquiring Dobruja) I was thinking of forming a regional mutual defence pact which I hope will form The Balkan League -which should have formed in the balkan wars- with Bulgaria, Greece, Serbia and Macedonia. Mainly because its a good way to develop the region and partly because of recent movements by the dual monarchy is making me nervous.

but of course, since Generic Empire resigned Serbia I think that it is now a NPC nation...

Ok, here is the situation.... Rumania is proposing to Bulgaria, Serbia, Macedonia and Greece that they form an alliance.

Austria has annexed Bosnia
Turkey pulled out of Albania, Macedonia, and Thrace
Russia is announcing how wonderful Pan Slavism is

historically when Turkey lost the 1912 war, it led to a power vaceum and was followed by the 1913 Balkan War.

Historically, Macedonia got annexed by Serbia and Greece, Bulgaria and Greece split Thrace, and Albania managed independence. Like always, the Balkans are a mess.

The same situation exists here. Nobody has actually claimed Thrace, Macedonia or Albania yet. So who is going to jump in and start the ball rolling? Looks like a good thread to me.

Current active nations (have posted at least once in the last three weeks)

North America
Canada [Clavis]?
United States [Galveston Bay]

Latin America
Brazil [Zeeland]
Chile [West Cedarbrook]
Colombia [Artitsa]

Europe
Austria-Hungary [Kordo]
Belgium [Lachenburg]
Bulgaria [Kirstiriera]
Denmark [Vietnamexico]
France [Kaduna]
Germany [Aequatio/Parthini (sub)]
Great Britain [Lesser Ribena]
Greece [New England Shores]
Italy [Fluffywuffy]
Macedonia* [Independent Macedonia]
Portugal [Pacificanopia]
Romania [Abbassia]
Russia [Vas Pokhoronim]
Spain [Philanchez]
*Ukraine [Zactarn Prime]

Middle East
Ottoman Empire [Ottoman Khaif]

South Africa* [Malkyer]

Asia[/b]
China [Sharina]
Korea (New Dornalia)
Japan [Of the council of clan]
Mongolia
Vietnam [Jensai]

Oceania
Australia* [Safehaven2]
New Zealand [Hyronia]

Nations that would be nice to have active
Mexico (has a Civil War soon)
Argentina (always colorful)
Sweden (potentially a power in the Baltic)

partial update of the economics thread... see below

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9085119&postcount=4

More for Archives than anything Morocco invaded by Germany (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437194)

OOC:

I wonder, are there any other active Asia players? So far, I only count four.

1. China (me)
2. Japan (Council of Clan)
3. Russia (Vas Porokoim)
4. Korea (New Dornalia)

OOC:

I wonder, are there any other active Asia players? So far, I only count four.

1. China (me)
2. Japan (Council of Clan)
3. Russia (Vas Porokoim)
4. Korea (New Dornalia)

no, that appears to be pretty much it.. although a Siamese player would be good as they are independent at the moment. The rest of East Asia is pretty much owned by someone, although I think someone wanted to be Mongolia for some reason.

Not to nag, but when I was sending my students to the US, is it assumed they have transportation?

Pan American conference....need input from Brazil and Chile (already have input from Colombia).... also need either Sharina and Vas Pokhoronim to give input on the reaction of the other Latin American nations on what is proposed, and input from the French and Dutch (once again handled by either Sharina or Vas Pokhoronim)

The American proposals are leaked to the press, so the Germans should be reading about them any time now

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=436808

GB, are you going to attack the germans in morrocco because after 2 weeks me and italy are...just asking to see if we have more help

GB, are you going to attack the germans in morrocco because after 2 weeks me and italy are...just asking to see if we have more help

No, the US would not get into a war with Germany over Morocco... but I am laying the groundwork for eventual war with Germany over Venezuela. Besides, it does give the US a splendid reason to criticize the Germans and justify more defense spending :)

lol alright thanx for clearing that up

Okay.

A few things, both as a player and the "admin".

First, Mongolia is pretty much not able to be claimed or controlled (as a nation) because it has been annexed and strong control by China, thanks to a new leadership instead of the historical corrupt Manchu Dynasty. It would be like someone claiming to RP, say, California, while it is part of the USA. The same principle applies here. However, there are exceptions to this rule. The two most notable exceptions would be India and Australia.

Second, I need to know the current state of world affairs, as who is allied to who. I'm having a hell of a time trying to figure this out, and I'm pretty sure other E20 RP'ers are having similiar frustration with this as well.

Finally, I just read your update on the economic thread. I would like to ask how you'll extrapolate the GDP and population levels when 1910 rolls around. Will you be using mostly historical figures, or tweak the numbers somewhat to reflect any population control undertaken, or population growth encouragement, etc.?

Sharina: Do you have MSN or AIM?

Yeah, the Alliance game is getting quite tricky

Germany is allied to Britain, Austria, Ottoman Empire, and I think also Denmark, and a protectorate with Venezuela and Morocco

I'm informally allied with Rumania and Russia

Sharina: Do you have MSN or AIM?

I have AIM, but for some reason I could never get MSN messenger to work on my laptop computer.

My AIM is zvulcan210, feel free to contact me.

At the same time, I am officially allied to Portugal, Spain, and Austria-Hungary. France is also probably an ally, as if France were playing they'd probably have accepted our little alliance. Britain, I believe, may have signed a non-agression pact, not sure.

sorry everyone i have to drop out of this little game as i have obligations in R.L.

I hope i have played Brazil well in the short period of time that i participated. i may be back but i dont know...

sorry about inconvienience

so many people.....

Not meaning to overcrowd Europe but i notice that their isnt an active player for Sweden can I participate as that nation??? also worth mentioning. what date did norway secede from the union of Sweden again. i know it was in 1905... but when?

I am officialy allied to france italy and portugal and will soon be seeking other alliances out of europe...

OK. I'm going to go ahead with my Indpendence movement this coming Monday if no one has any objections. We will be seeking assistance from any other country, including China. This will be a revolution, unlike the other attempt to stick with a previous treaty. 1906 will be a busy year for Vietnam.

can you just wait untill the 14th that is when he will be back i believe...please be patient i dont think he will mind you revolting if you dont start stuff while hes away

can you just wait untill the 14th that is when he will be back i believe...please be patient i dont think he will mind you revolting if you dont start stuff while hes away


The 14th is Sunday or Monday, right?

Austria-Hungaries allies are:

Germany
Italy
Korea

The United States is allied with Colombia and Chile, and recently signed a mutual defense treaty with Japan.

Talks are underway still with China, and most of Latin America.

An informal alliance exists with Britian and Canada.

Under the Pan American treaty, which is still being negotiated, the US and Latin American countries agree to defend the possessions of Britian, France and the Netherlands that are in the Western Hemisphere in exchange for those nations agreeing to help defend the Western Hemisphere as well and abide by the Pan American treaty. Although not approved, the US intends to act under its provisions for now. Denmark and German occupied Venezuela are specifically not included in that.

The US has very tense relations with Germany at this time.

A big war is threatening in Europe

Russia has begun a limited mobilization, so now the Austrian generals are going to jump up and down and insist that the Austrian Hungarian Empire do the same.

This will cause the Serbs to mobilize, and I would expect the Bulgarians to mobilize too, followed by the Rumanians, Albanians, and Greeks.

This doesn't guarantee war, but makes it very likely now

The big key is if Germany mobilizes. If that happens, the French would mobilize (and I will handle them until the player returns or is replaced).

Germany, I need to know if the Schleiffen Plan is going to automatically happen if Germany mobilizes. If it doesn't, it will prevent the German army from doing anything much for about 2 weeks because of logistics difficulties (switching troops from the West to the East will take a lot of time and there will be confusion)

Please post any war plans in the Military thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9421034#post9421034

Just general plans, like as Russia, "I intend to invade Austrian Poland with most of my Western armies, with a secondary invasion of Hungary"... as an example. Once I know what the plans are, I will telegram people what the initial results are and then people can RP it... its going to be messy though

Parthini']Yeah, the Alliance game is getting quite tricky

Germany is allied to Britain, Austria, Ottoman Empire, and I think also Denmark, and a protectorate with Venezuela and Morocco

I'm informally allied with Rumania and Russia

Can we say world war?

Japan is allied with France, United States and China, Still not sure of the Status of Korea, the old Korea had been invited into talks about an alliance but those kinda fizzled and the New korea hasn't said much about them.

as far as Asia goes....

Austria has troops in Korea. Russia has troops in Manchuria (which is technically Chinese territory). A war in Europe is likely to spread to East Asia in that case. Neither the US or Japan have any responsibility to defend Korea, and both consider Korea part of China's sphere of influence. However, both the US and Japan are urging Russia not to invade Korea in the event of war in Europe (for whatever good that does).

Britain is formerly allied with Germany, informally allied with the US. A bit awkward that. I suspect the British people are going to have something to say about all of this... kind of depends what happens.

Well, Vietnam is currently occupied by French troops, but they may change if War breaks out. Germany may sell Vietname weapons, and if Germany does then France will probably have a well-armed, full-scale revolution on his hands.

EDIT: This is Jensai. Accidentally logged in as one of my other countries.

Damnit I need Artillery! Anyone wanna sell some artillery ;)

Damnit I need Artillery! Anyone wanna sell some artillery ;)


I'll sell you some once this whole European war thing is over.

nvm, I just discovered that I can produce my own.

as far as Asia goes....

Austria has troops in Korea. Russia has troops in Manchuria (which is technically Chinese territory). A war in Europe is likely to spread to East Asia in that case. Neither the US or Japan have any responsibility to defend Korea, and both consider Korea part of China's sphere of influence. However, both the US and Japan are urging Russia not to invade Korea in the event of war in Europe (for whatever good that does).

Britain is formerly allied with Germany, informally allied with the US. A bit awkward that. I suspect the British people are going to have something to say about all of this... kind of depends what happens.

Well, I am working on an alliance with China at the moment. As for other Nations, I am allied with Austria (by extension, with Italy), so this presents a big likelihood of a World War spreading to me. As Korea has a very poor army at the moment.....:(

EDIT: Saw Kordo's bit in the mil thread, disregard the last bit about world war.

As for Of the council of clan's statement, I'd be willing to talk with the Japanese. Though my Emperor doesn't care much for the Japanese, it might bode well to sign a Non-Aggression Pact.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9416491&postcount=16

This is my reply to the Austrian offer, Kordo. I offered you a choice of spots.

I'll try to sum my China's world relations.

Allies:

1. Japan

Good Terms:

1. Germany
2. Italy
3. Korea
4. United States

Neutrality:

1. Britain
2. Various European countries

Wary:

1. Russia
2. France

Hostile:

None.

War:

None.

OOC: One question: what kinds of hard currency did Korea use at this time? I was thinking of doing a Bank of Korea, to provide citizens with money for development projects and to provide a place to store government funds and issue national currency. Obviously, in this era, hard currency like gold and silver was still in vogue.

EDIT: I did find out that the Koreans, in our timeline, were given banknotes by the Japanese, marked under the name "won." So the name of the currency has been found. Still, the question stands.

Allies:

1. Great Britain

Good Terms:

1. United States
2. France

Neutrality:

1.Various European countries
2.Mexico
3.Asia

Wary:

1. Germany
2. Austria-Hungary
3. Italy

War:

Nobody

Allies:

1. USA
2. Chile

Good Terms:

1. Italy
2. Great Britain
3. France

Neutrality:

1. Russia
2. China (seeking relations)
3. Japan (seeking relations)
4. Korea (seeking relations)
5. Argentina
6. Various European countries
7. Austria-Hungary
8. Ottoman Empire

Wary:

1. Germany/Venezuala
2. Brazil

Hostile:

None.

War:

None.

OOC:

I believe that it is a good idea to start up a International Relations Reference thread. In that thread, every E20 player posts their E20 nation name, and all their allies, good relations, neutral, wary, hostile, and war listings. This will make it so much easier and simpler for us to determine who's allied / neutral / war with who.

Makes our jobs a lot less complicated and less "headaches" trying to figure out this political tangle.

OOC:

I believe that it is a good idea to start up a International Relations Reference thread. In that thread, every E20 player posts their E20 nation name, and all their allies, good relations, neutral, wary, hostile, and war listings. This will make it so much easier and simpler for us to determine who's allied / neutral / war with who.

Makes our jobs a lot less complicated and less "headaches" trying to figure out this political tangle.

OOC: Good plan.

actually, at this point... if Russia and Austria go to war I am simply going to start a "Great War in 1905" Thread, as I suspect most of Europe is going to be sucked into it.

Lets see what the Russians do

Ok, when the hell did the Dominion get pissed of at the Motherland's ally :confused:

This is also a crappy time for Germany to be next to a war... I'm visiting friends and the parent are, might I say strict about bed time?

IIRC, Vas Porokim plays Russia, but I haven't seen VP around in a couple of weeks though. Did he go on vacation or something?

IIRC, Vas Porokim plays Russia, but I haven't seen VP around in a couple of weeks though. Did he go on vacation or something?

he posted yesterday... I need a ruling from you by the way on the Pan American Conference and how the Latin American nations and the Dutch viewed the proposed Pan American treaty

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=436808

he posted yesterday... I need a ruling from you by the way on the Pan American Conference and how the Latin American nations and the Dutch viewed the proposed Pan American treaty

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=436808

Posted my thoughts over there. However, I'm receptive to feedback and suggestions. I may also be willing to alter my ruling somewhat to match the situation more or less realistically. :)

Okay, I just got back from Mexico and I need to be caught up a little bit. This is all I know....

Allies:
Germany and her allies

Neutrual:
Everybody NOT included in the other terms

Wary:
The Japan-Chinese-American group

Hostile:
None

War:
None

If I made any mistakes tell me.
Update:
Also I am going to say that all my previous social & military reforms are done. So I will probably have a army of 200,000 trained conscripts with 50,000 conscripted veteran troops and finally 5,000 elite troops with a mix of volunteer and conscripted troops. This, with my hopeful alliance with Germany, I am proud to say makes sure that I am semi-secure. I have though a limited navy to A Battleship of no big stature and a dozen Light Escort Destroyers. While my artillery can be reasobly large with 10 detachments of indirect firing Howitzers with 2 guns in each detachment. If any of this is to exoberant tell me and I will of course change it in seconds.

Reforms:
Civil:
From here on any type of corruptness in any official will not have any tolerance within this great nation's goverment. So I am proposing to the Congress (Right?) that if any official will be ejected from the goverment and that they will pay a heavy fine of 100,000 (Franks? Marks?).
Abroad:
Also that we colonize the great land of Greenland and of the proposed annexation of the Faroe Islands.
Military:
The increase of funding for the research department into the uses of the theory of the Automobile and it's military value by 500%.

actually, at this point... if Russia and Austria go to war I am simply going to start a "Great War in 1905" Thread, as I suspect most of Europe is going to be sucked into it.

Lets see what the Russians do

Not me, hahahaha! :D

From the Head Ruler of Denmark,
To The Kaiser of Germany,

I did not get back your reply and ask again for the sake of seeing your telegram in person I humbly ask for an alliance between our great nations. I will happily make any alliances with any other nations you may have already made.

In all due respect,
Head Ruler of Denmark.

OOC: ack i missed so much. iv been so busy this summer. can someone inform on somethings and tell me if anyone wanted to do anything with cuba??

Me, The King of Denmark, asks if you would allow the leasing of two 20 by 5 miles of land on Cuba for Denmark to conduct Military and Civil acts on your soil for about 50 years. I am proposing 20,000 million Krones (Which I can guess is more than a dollar, less than a pound, and about the same or less than a German mark.) About world politics... Well everybody is getting jumpy and there will probably be a WWI once Germany gets back.

I'm still looking to buy weapons from anyone who will offer them. China? Germany? Anyone?

What will you be paying in?

Moorington, I got your telegram. Thanks! I did see examples of Korean Gold coins, but they may have been of Japanese manufacture, so, its kinda like you said.

Yikes! war is about to start and the king of Romania is in Germany and negotiations about the regional defense treaty haven't even started! I am about to start a thread "meeting in crete" for the treaty but I don't know how to represent Serbia and Greece (Greece I think is an NPC nation, isn't it?) I think Serbia would be too happy to have a defensive alliance but I don't know about Greece as they might prefer to be neutral in a future world-wide conflict. Still I would appericiate it if any of you Mods could help me out.

Oh and BTW what happened to the kaiser's condition?

What will you be paying in?

Amassed Francs, out of the pockets of the European-educated Vietnamese.

war, it begins

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9429991#post9429991

Greeece I believe has a player by the way. Serbia is NPC, controlled by war moderator at the moment. First offensive has been gamed out, and its a bloody mess but the Russians are making gains but the Serbs got badly mauled. I will be gone until Sunday, but I suggest using that information as a basis to RP, and then I will telegram the next update to the players and let them go from there.

Austria, please telegram the Republic of Galveston Bay and tell me what you want to do. I went with the original orders,which were to defend

Jumping jumping beans! war just started! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437598) scratch my last post.(treaty will have to wait) king needs to talk and quickly walk out of germany -intresting RP if he was caught and forced to join the central powers by declaring war on Russia according to the "informal" treaty- generally, the king is willing but crown prince Ferdinand ,who was left in control of Romania, wants peace for his people and wants neutrality and newly appointed Premier Prince Cantacuzino is fiercly patriotic and wants Transelvania.

How much longer am I going to have to wait on France? I'm tired of having to post-pone everything

How much longer am I going to have to wait on France? I'm tired of having to post-pone everything

how does Monday work for you? If he doesnt show up by then

OOC: Can I play as Finland?

how does Monday work for you? If he doesnt show up by then

Sounds good.

Germany agrees to Denmark's Alliance. Germany will also help arm the Vietnamese, if China will agree. Otherwise I can go thru Siam.

Oh yeah, and the Kaiser is awake, and running things.

I'm going to go on a short trip tommorrow, I assume I'll have internet access unless the computer at my grandmother's house is on the fritz again. So if I start posting less frequently, that's why.

Parthini']Germany agrees to Denmark's Alliance. Germany will also help arm the Vietnamese, if China will agree. Otherwise I can go thru Siam.

Thanks! What kind of weapons can the VRA expect?

Just wonder do we have active Greece player and what happen to France's player?

Well, not sure about Greece, we had one guy, not sure if he is active. France has been away for a while.

Oh, and I announced this earlier, but from 14 August to 20 August, I will be at summer camp, so I will not be active during those days.

Me, The King of Denmark, asks if you would allow the leasing of two 20 by 5 miles of land on Cuba for Denmark to conduct Military and Civil acts on your soil for about 50 years. I am proposing 20,000 million Krones (Which I can guess is more than a dollar, less than a pound, and about the same or less than a German mark.) About world politics... Well everybody is getting jumpy and there will probably be a WWI once Germany gets back.


With war starting and the Americans already on our island at Gunantimo bay we have to ask if them if it would be alright. We do not want two enemey countries both using our land.

With war starting and the Americans already on our island at Gunantimo bay we have to ask if them if it would be alright. We do not want two enemey countries both using our land.

Galveston Bay here... Zacharoth, are you Cuba? I have forgotten. No, German or Danish presence in Cuba would most certainly not be alright as far as the US is concerned. By the way, did you go to the Pan American Conference Zacharoth? Check out the thread by that name.

I need a Serbia. Any takers?

Perhaps, as it is on one front, the Serbs would put their troops under a Russian Field Marshal?

Parthini']Perhaps, as it is on one front, the Serbs would put their troops under a Russian Field Marshal?
I'd have to find one, but, as the WarMod himself tells me, they are begging for my help down there. Hmm. I wonder if I have an at least half-competent Prince or Grand Duke around here, somewhere . . .

This is what happens if you do not learn to wake up and see things clearly...everyone is in a no-win situation here especially those who are caught.

Actually, this is what happens for fun.
Besides, the ongoing argument between Austria and Russia needs to be settled once and for all.
So you could say we're really fighting for peace.

So you could say we're really fighting for peace.

Ahhh, the irony of war

More like the sarcasm of a smart-ass. You give me too much credit. Or maybe you give war too much credit. For the record, I'm one of the biggest pacifists among all active RP'ers in NS, as the Old Hrstrovokia could've confirmed.
But anyway, if you check back here, my next moves are planned already, and I'll post them over in the War probably sometime tonight.

Quick Question when did Britian say he'll be back from where ever he has gone too:

And has anyone reveiw my conquest of Persia, I just need to know if I am doing the war correctly or how should I impove it.

OOC: When everybody posts please put their country's name as the title since I only know Cuba's and Germany's leaders by name. Also I wish that everybody knows that I am the King of Denmark and not Vietnamexico.
IC:

Ultra Coded Message to Germany & vietnamese rebels:
From: King of Denamark

I will hapily send 2000 of my elite soilders into French Indo-China to help the vietnamese rebellion. All I ask is the territory of Phnom Penh when/if the rebellion kicks out the French.
I also will happily allow you to recive 8,000 1 shot per cartridge Farscwit Rifles (Fictional but think of the Old Springfield but with more kick and less accuracy.)Also I will happily assist you in the purchasing of artillery with me giving you 2 newly made in-direct detachments of artillery with 5 howitzers in each one.
The model is based of the German ones and will be pretty exact compared the the real german ones except that our scientists have had trouble with the production. Even so I will accept the purchase of these fine specimens for 1/3 the price.
---------------------------End of Telegram-----------------------------

To:Cuba

It regrets me to find out that my precious Virgin Islands will have no other help from you. Do not expect a warm welcome....but I do understand why you have to.

To:England

I ask for the Cayman islands for the high price of 100,000 million Danish Krones for all of them.
OOC: If I am at war with you....oops...
OOC: If anyone has a clear map of who controls what of the China-India region please give it to me.

Mecenaries for hire, if Austria or Russia are interested:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437801

Mecenaries for hire, if Austria or Russia are interested:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437801
You're Hired!

OOC: When everybody posts please put their country's name as the title since I only know Cuba's and Germany's leaders by name. Also I wish that everybody knows that I am the King of Denmark and not Vietnamexico.
IC:

Ultra Coded Message to Germany & vietnamese rebels:
From: King of Denamark

I will hapily send 2000 of my elite soilders into French Indo-China to help the vietnamese rebellion. All I ask is the territory of Burma when/if the rebellion kicks out the French.
I also will happily allow you to recive 10,000 6 shot per round Farscwit Rifles (Fictional but think M1-Garand but faster firing but less accurate.)Also I will happily assist you in the purchasing of artillery with me giving you 2 newly made in-direct detachments of artillery with 5 howitzers in each one.
The model is based of the German ones and will be pretty exact compared the the real german ones except that our scientists have had trouble with the production. Even so I will accept the purchase of these fine specimens for 1/3 the price.
---------------------------End of Transmission-----------------------------

To:Cuba

It regrets me to find out that my precious Virgin Islands will have no other help from you. Do not expect a warm welcome....but I do understand why you have to.

To:England

I ask for the Cayman islands for the high price of 100,000 million Danish Krones for all of them.
OOC: If I am at war with you....oops...


OOC:I could be mistaken, but Burma belongs to England, and 1905 is way too early for an M-1 Garand to come out, especially out of a small country like Denmark.

OOC: Well you have to remeber that the M1-Garand was in essence a out of date gun with only a 7-9 cartridge and very slow when you had to reload and all it had going was accuracy since it was quite heavy because it had alot of mass. I will though respectfully tone down it's usage and mass. Also I thought Indo-China belonged to the French? Oh well I will just edit it and make other terms...

OOC: No real reason for any of this except for the archives and to understand if I suddenly attack out from Norway.



To: Norway
From: The King of Denmark

Your weak ways have made your people suffer enough and I wil put an end to your injust ways. So this is a formal Declaration of War.


OOC: Check it out here (Or when I get it completed ;) )

OOC: No real reason for any of this except for the archives and to understand if I suddenly attack out from Norway.



To: Norway
From: The King of Denmark

Your weak ways have made your people suffer enough and I wil put an end to your injust ways. So this is a formal Declaration of War.


OOC: Check it out here (Or when I get it completed ;) )

Uh, Reality Moderator here. First, you need a pretext, or better yet, a context.
Second, there is no Norway. It's still part of Sweden (they might have just separated, but only just).
Third, you should get your own News and Diplomatic Thread for posting these kinds of things. If you've already got one, and the Link was only posted here, then it's probably lost. You have to Telegram it to Hrstrovokia to get it confirmed.

Also I thought Indo-China belonged to the French? Oh well I will just edit it and make other terms...

Indochina (modern day Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia) was French.

Burma was British, and Siam (Thailand) was independent.

Norway became independent in 1905 (I want to say mid year), however, if the Danish King attempts to go to war against Norway, his Parliament and Family calmly remove him from office and lock him up. Denmark was a constitutional monarchy at this point, and the last Danish battle was during the Danish Prussian War of 1860, and they lost and they aren't happy about it. They have no possibility of going from their peace time pro forma army to becoming an offensive fighting force without a lot of time, money, and assistance, and the Danes are going to go for that politically. Its really stretching it to see them allying with the Germans willingly either, seeing as the Germans stole a good chunk of their country less than 45 years ago.

By the way, the Danish Virgin Islands are essentially an economic sinkhole for Denmark, and produce no significant revenue since slavery was abolished and sugar planting collapsed because of market forces. So buying more Caribbean islands seems a bit strange for Denmark.

IC
The US would be willing to let the Dutch or British buy the Danish Virgin Islands, or for that matter, the French. Technically this is in violation of the Monroe Doctrine, but the US Government is willing to let it slide. Selling the Danish Virgin Islands to the Germans would be considered an unfriendly act, the only thing worse would be the Danes selling Iceland or Greenland, in which case the US would consider that a very unfriendly act and would have to undertake measures for its protection.

Vietnam, you aren't independent yet, but check the economics thread... I have some suggestions for you I think you will like.

OOC:

I just got back from the hospital earlier today, and the operation went well. I'm able to walk around and eat, as I never got any dizziness or any side effects except for a slight numbness in my tongue. I'm just laying in bed, trying to recover and drinking a lot of water. I'm doing well, regardless, as I'm able to check e-mails and stuff late at night. I think I will be getting better and stronger everyday. I'm glad the surgery is over, and most of my nervousness is gone. Its a huge relief that its over, without any hitches.

I think I'll be able to check up here over the next few days. I might be able to post short RP posts, just not my usual detailed ones.

Could someone kindly fill me with what has been going on today and yesterday? Please freeze any actions aganist or with China until I'm able to respond accordingly. Much thanks. :)

Congratulations to Sharina on a succesful operation and hope you get well soon.
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Question:
How long does it take an army to mobillise?

Congratulations to Sharina on a succesful operation and hope you get well soon.
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Question:
How long does it take an army to mobillise?

yes, welcome back Sharina and I hope you are up and well soon

mobilizing an army in a nation that has conscription takes about 1-3 weeks depending on how efficient your bueracracy is and how big your country is (takes Russia longer than Germany for example)

Welcome back Sharina!

Vietnam News Thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437859

I will post up the gun smuggling, if that's alright with everyone?

OOC: Well you have to remeber that the M1-Garand was in essence a out of date gun with only a 7-9 cartridge and very slow when you had to reload and all it had going was accuracy since it was quite heavy because it had alot of mass. I will though respectfully tone down it's usage and mass. Also I thought Indo-China belonged to the French? Oh well I will just edit it and make other terms...

OOC:you also have to remember that good reliable repeating rifles with Stripper clips are only a few years old, going to straight to a Semi-Automatic rifle is quite a bit of a stretch. A good light machine gun hadn't even been developed yet and your jumping towards a weapon that I would say couldn't be developed to at least 1925. And I don't believe you have the Arms Manufacture or even research facilities for such a project.

You obviously don't know much about the garand, It ran out of ammo, the bolt locked back, you slapped a clip in and released the bolt. You know that is no slower than reloading an M-16(thats how they work) Now if your getting the Garand confused with the M-1903 Springfield, which used a stripper clip of 5 rounds and an internal magazine with a bolt action I could understand that, that is about the right sort of rifle for this point in history.

Gun Smugglers Equipping Vietnamese Rebels

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437859

I would to own Lithuania please

1st: Use proper grammer please.
2nd: Lithuania is destroyed. It is now Russia. Any remaining Lithuanians are in the US or Siberia. Pick another country please.

umm, also, read the thread and the rules first please Lithuania

Are we gonna make a new thread if/when the Russo-Austrian war gets bigger?

Parthini']Are we gonna make a new thread if/when the Russo-Austrian war gets bigger?

only if it leaves Europe... although I guess we are heading toward calling it the Great War pretty soon.

I guess I have to wait for Austria to reply for me to do anything.

Also, GB can you get on Chatzy? http://www.chatzy.com/684093003041

Changed over the year.
A reminder that the only way to sign up, or to get your News/Diplomatic Threads properly posted, is to Telegram Hrstrovokia.

A note to Sharina regarding Mongolia:
While you are the Supreme Moderator, from the beginning it was agreed that Stateless Peoples (when they existed--see below) would be allowed to sign up. Mongolia is ethnically, historically, culturally, linguistically, and administratively distinct from China. Much more so, one might add, than the Ukraine (which has just been granted Home Rule) is distinct from Russia. An Independence Movement in Mongolia is therefore not unreasonable, especially as the Mongols and the Han Chinese have historically been rivals for most of the last fifteen centuries.

Regarding Lithuania:
This is a different thing. As Parthini bluntly put it, Lithuania is now Russia. In 1902, Lithuania had the unfortunate distinction of becoming the first genocide of the Twentieth Century. They weren't all killed, but their ethnicity was decisively obliterated. And I'd advise against trying for independence in any of the other non-Slavic nationalities of the Russian Empire--that Russian player is a psycho.

Yeah true, but I in control of the country still. Right? So then then it wouldn't be a strench of imagination to say that an alliance with Germany to stop him/her taking land from me and seizing relativly large sized ports to make up for it. Also we wouldn't know if the Royal Family would lock me up since usually public opimion matters in that kind of goverment since revolution isn't to far from anybody's mind. I would think the public opinion would go up if they started to think that thier country/homeland was slightly better than a dirt stain on the greater power's influence sphere. Besides the less than content parliment members can always be taken care of :sniper:. Joking....
So what is the decision? That I can't invade Norway? :( Well maybe just a little pieace ;) .

you also have to remember that good reliable repeating rifles with Stripper clips are only a few years old, going to straight to a Semi-Automatic rifle is quite a bit of a stretch. A good light machine gun hadn't even been developed yet and your jumping towards a weapon that I would say couldn't be developed to at least 1925. And I don't believe you have the Arms Manufacture or even research facilities for such a project.

I beg to differ. With the principle of a Gas-Blowback Mechanisum already widely known and previously implemented through the Colt M1895 Light Machine Gun, the Chauchaut Light Machine Gun and most pistols of the day, it would not take that big of a step to implment this sort of prinicple and/or design into a rifle and with higher quality parts from Mauser, Steyr, Sig Arms, FN or any other major weapons manufacturing firm, you could create an effective semi-automatic rifle by at least 1915 or 1916 for not too much greater of a cost, as the majority of parts would be attained from Bolt-Action rifles.

Of course, I'd rather put my research money into a better LMG or possibly an Assault Rifle, but that's just me.

What would be a good estimate of when I can get a good version of the tank going? Also will someone give me a good version of a map of the 1900s. Also will someone confirm or deny that Pnom Pheh is in Cambodia. Also will one of the war mods give me a good estimate of Danish forces of this time without my upgrades. (Telegram)

France's player hasn't show up. May I claim France?

Who where you before?

Vietnam. As A French colony I can't do much without France.

Jensai, I want to float the idea by the other 2 moderators... Sharina and Hrstrovokia, but I am inclined to say yes.

Moorington, Denmark is a constitutional monarchy, and you haven't laid down a reasonable explanation for why one democracy is invading another. So I am not inclined to accept the invasion of Norway. However, should the other two moderators, Sharina and Hrstrovokia go along with it, I might do so.

Then there is the problem that Denmark has only a pair of coastal defense battleships, and a few gunboats, and an army of about 50,000 with no reserves. As Norway has a bigger army (about 100,000) and a similar sized fleet at Oslo, your invasion isn't going to work, especially as the forts at Oslo sank a German heavy cruiser in World War II when they (the forts) were nearly a century old.

NPC countries are handled by the war moderator (me) and I am not buying it.

Well, I really doubt that Denmark would build a tank... The only reason people built tanks was to get rid of trench warfare (pretty much) and so far, there hasn't been much war. Perhaps if this thing gets too big...

I made reforms in 1902 and they where finished by jan 1905. That made one mini flotilla with a small class battleship and 3 destroyers with a cruiser. That with the conscription of about 75,000 men from 19-30 with the income produced from the vietnam production and finally with the money being diverted from closing down army bases in the Virgin islands and Greenland. With the fact that my goverment enjoyed 64% approval rate will quit down any over zealot parliment holders.

ok, Sharina, Parthini and Hrstrovokia, wiegh in on this.. I am still sticking with the "no, you can't invade Norway and if you do, your government removes you from office."

Even if some of the fellow Danish people may have relations inside Sweden and this would allow a point of entry into Denmark for former Danes. This with the fact that Norweigns would probably love to have an excuse to kick some Swedish hind would have some civilian help for my army. In my RP thread of this I didn't fully understasnd how badly it was for the Norweigns and that I didn't relize that there could be Danish inside norway. So my RP is highly inaccurate with both causulties rates (Estimates).

*taps foot impatiently*

Hey this is big! I could get some serious territory here (Compared to my existing colonies) so you are going to tap your foot.
In all humbleness,
King of Denmark

Galveston Bay here.... ok, its now 1906. We have a Great war in Europe

the Coalition (Russia, Serbia, Rumania, Ottoman Turkey, Germany, Macedonia, plus some South Afrikaan mercenaries) versus

the League (Austria Hungary, Italy, Spain)

The Coalition has taken Austrian Poland, and threatens the Austrians in the Carpathian mountians (border modern day Czechslovakia and Poland), and in Transylvania (border region modern day Hungary and Rumania). The League has conquered Montenegro, part of Serbia, and driven the Germans out of the Med (for now).

Colombia has seized control of an Albanian port (Tirane), for now.

Technology advances: Aircraft and Zeppelins are still little more than toys, but getting better. Wireless telegraph (radio) is now available for nations tech level 5 (Germany, Britian, USA) for general use aboard ships and ground stations, less common in tech level 4 nations (most of the Europeans, plus Japan, Russia, and Colombia). However, automobiles and trucks are becoming common in the US and Britian, less so in Germany and France, but remain rare everywhere else.

in Game terms: France hasn't reported in for a while, neither has Britian, although I remember him being back soon. France was due back yesterday. No France by the end of the day, then its time for a new French player I think. We already have a volunteer, and he gets first option in my opinion as well.

Denmark, I want to talk to the other referees of this RP before a decision is made on your threads and ideas.

Now, back to the bloodletting......

Huzzah! Tomorrow (or tonight. What exactly is the deadline for the French player?) will be interesting...

OOC:

I'm feeling somewhat stronger today, as I'm not taking pain medication anymore. I'm able to focus much better without getting drowsy, so I think I'll be able to post responses and such tonight.

Jensai has contacted me about playing France, and I fully support giving France to him, as the French player has not responded or posted anything in quite a while. Thus, I bestow the position of France to Jensai, and he can start posting French news, mobilizations, etc. tonight.

Thanks! Hope you feel better soon.

Frech News, Etc.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9450691#post9450691

I agree with GB's rulings on both France and Denmark. France will be turned over shortly.
Moorington, read your history, learn your country. This isn't just another "Earth [number]" where people pick territory and then run around conquering things like a game of Risk. If that's what you want, there are plenty of those out there.
And GB, please respond as soon as you can to my Czech questions.
I leave to go to work for one shift and my country now teeters on the verge of ruin (maybe). Criminy.

I made reforms in 1902 and they where finished by jan 1905. That made one mini flotilla with a small class battleship and 3 destroyers with a cruiser. That with the conscription of about 75,000 men from 19-30 with the income produced from the vietnam production and finally with the money being diverted from closing down army bases in the Virgin islands and Greenland. With the fact that my goverment enjoyed 64% approval rate will quit down any over zealot parliment holders.


Closing a base doesn't automaticly generate income, just ask the BRAC Commission

war is full of unintended consequences. In technology news, the Germans, French, Russians, Italians and Austrians are now using captive balloons along the front, usually were the front is static, to spot artillery fire. It has also been discovered that the light field peice, those 75 mm or smaller, aren't adequate for the job of smashing field fortifications, which have become common. Guns and howitzers at least 105 mm are needed. Sadly, those are in short supply, making up only 20% of the German artillery park, and no more than 10% of the Russian, Austrian, French, Italian artillery parks, and even less common with the smaller belligerents.

It will take a year to remedy this at the very least, longer for some nations like Russia and even longer for the non industrial nations.

The German, Italian and French government suddenly realize that they can't build all of the battleships they want. Building times are significantly slowed, and all three, plus the Russians are looking at building larger numbers of destroyers and torpedo boats, which are proving very useful in the Med and Aegean and aren't available in enough numbers.

(up to you, but you can build 4 Destroyer or 6 Torpedo boat squadrons for the cost of 2 battleships, and Desrons are damned useful things. They also show up in about a year, while it takes 3 years to build a battleship.)

Germany, Russia, Italy, France and Austria can build warships, none of the other belligerents can afford it at this point.

I was wondering if, with a tech level of 2.5 I can produce copied small arms in short amounts? Lets say perhaps revolvers and bolt-action rifles, maybe automatic pistols like the Luger. Oh well i thought it was worth asking.

I was wondering if, with a tech level of 2.5 I can produce copied small arms in short amounts? Lets say perhaps revolvers and bolt-action rifles, maybe automatic pistols like the Luger. Oh well i thought it was worth asking.

yes, and small arms ammunition as well, although its probably easier to get it from allies.

Would Colombia be able to produce 6" guns for export? (152mm, as we are producing these for naval vessels ourselves...)

Would Colombia be able to produce 6" guns for export? (152mm, as we are producing these for naval vessels ourselves...)

probably, but only in small numbers. Not enough to compete with the actual big powers, but enough to equip one of the smaller nations or supplement someones production.

Unless I can use the revenue to open a second artillery plant.... that could help as well? Gotta spend money to make money.

Unless I can use the revenue to open a second artillery plant.... that could help as well? Gotta spend money to make money.

Figure a year to gear up to military type production. The war is going longer than anyone dreamed (at least from the Austrian and Russian perspective)

Then it shall be done!! P.S. Do you have an approximate price for 152mm Artillery in 1906?

Then it shall be done!! P.S. Do you have an approximate price for 152mm Artillery in 1906?

not off hand..

in other technology news, the British, Americans and Germans begin working on schemes for centralized fire control on their big gun warships. At Cape Passerono, it was discovered that a literal avalanche of shellfire was needed to get hits, and the varying sizes of mixed caliber guns confused things, while the big 10 and 12 inch shells did the real killing.

The Italians also begin tests, but are less free to experiment at the moment.

Buy your artillery here! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9452921#post9452921)

another big battle at sea. Germany, I assumed the fleet took with it the ships actually able to get there, and some of your older battleships just don't have the range, nor did your torpedo boats and destroyers. France, same with you.

expect Russia vs Italy today in the Battle of Cape Matapan

(naval geography has a certain logic, which is why famous names are turning up)

Whoa, where's the RP thread for the World War? I can't seem to find it.

Who's fighting who so far?

Whoa, where's the RP thread for the World War? I can't seem to find it.

Who's fighting who so far?

we have the Coalition, which is Russia, Rumania, Serbia, Macedonia, Germany, and Turkey

vs

The League, which is France, Italy, Spain, Austria Hungary

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9456366#post9456366

Thanks, GB.

I'd like to get your professional opinion on whether China should pursue going after Vietnam and French held territories in Asia or if that would be too much for China at this point in time? I'm looking to try something new here, and maybe gain China some kind of boost in prestige and military experience.

I don't want to go after Britain colonies in Asia at the time being, as I want to remain on good terms with Britain and its allies. However, the French are considerably weaker than Britain and does not appear to have allies who has interest in China. I may be wrong though.

Thanks, GB.

I'd like to get your professional opinion on whether China should pursue going after Vietnam and French held territories in Asia or if that would be too much for China at this point in time? I'm looking to try something new here, and maybe gain China some kind of boost in prestige and military experience.

I don't want to go after Britain colonies in Asia at the time being, as I want to remain on good terms with Britain and its allies. However, the French are considerably weaker than Britain and does not appear to have allies who has interest in China. I may be wrong though.

ooc
If I were China, I would wait to see who wins the war first... chuckle

Greetings!

I have returned, a lot has happened since i've been gone though! Give me a couple of days to return to normality RP wise and catch up on things and then i'll get things moving again. If anything is really urgent please TG and i'll try to sort it as best as I can.

Once again apologies for missing a week guys!

another big battle at sea, this time the Russians beat the Italians, although considering how bad both fleets are beat up, it wasn't exactly decisive.

welcome back Great Britian, as war moderator I moved some of your forces around to reflect British neutrality, and had your government divided as to whether to go along with the alliance with Germany to provide an IC reason for British inaction. The war can be found here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=437598

ooc
If I were China, I would wait to see who wins the war first... chuckle

Actually, I thought it'd be best if I made a grab while the Europeans are busy in Europe. That way, the Europeans won't be able to divert much of any military aganist me, or risk losing everything in Europe.

What would be a good estimate of when I can get a good version of the tank going?

Well, the development of a Tank requires more of an evolution of Military doctrine, rather than just basic design and development.

For decades, since the age of Napolean, commanders have always relied on the same doctrine of Mass-Infantry attacks, with Calvary and Artillery in support. Now, with modern weaponry such as the Machine Gun and more powerful artillery, this strategy will eventually lead to the stalemate in the Great War.

Thus, until either your observers have witnesses this terrifying stalemate and convince their commanders to develop a weapon to counter-act it, or your nation has experienced it itself through the war, I doubt a tank will be on any drawing board.

Furthermore, as Denmark is not the strongest, nor richest of European powers, it will take a very long time and place your country in quite a bit of debt (as Denmark is currently the only Welfare state in exsistance at this time) for you to even design, much less, produce an effective tank/tank force.

So I just suggest that you wait for one of the Great Powers to start producing them (shouldn't be very long) and buy the weapons from them, once you've convinced an astoundingly anti-military Parliment and king into investing in them. Of course, tanks probably won't be avalible for sale until this war ends, as the powers who develop them will need all the tanks they can get.

Also with alot of the fighting going on in the mountainous parts of Europe right now, a tank is unlikely from a docterine evolution as well, as they would be shot to pieces as easy if not easier than infantry in that kinda of terrain. You would have to wait until the French/German front stalemates if it ever does. Aircraft are also in a very poor state at the time, as i think the Wright brothers flew only 3 years ago, so i doubt any plane at this time would be able to support a weapon system more than say a pistol or hand grenade.

So really many of the new weapons of WWI will not come into play for awhile if at all during this war. If a tank is produced by a country other than Britain it may look much different than the Mk. I, which Churchill described as a land battleship. I think the French produced the lighter tanks that had turrets, so that would be a more practical model for a country like Denmark to create around the time tanks came out, but of course it would have to be in the war, as no nation i am aware of created tanks during WWI that wasn't in the war.

Galveston Bay here... no tanks yet, caterpiller tracks are just being invented, tractors are uncommon, and for that matter, engines are very inadequate so far.... but they get better. You must be Tech level 5 to develop tanks, and only three nations are that at the moment (Britain, USA, Germany), and have a compelling reason. Only Germany is at war, and they have only been at war a couple of months. Their solution to trench warfare was better tactics in any case... tactics that were good enough to nearly win the war.

Alright, so after the crazed shooting of the admiral by Franz, the fleet he sent fled to the Austro-Hungarian naval base in Italy were it meet up with the majority of the fleet. The Navy is basically ignoring any orders given specifically from the Kaiser and obeying only the High Command. The army hasn't been alienated that much by Franz though they are extremly wary of anything he orders or suggests. If he pushes to far, he may find himself quietly transported to Italy for some 'rest' preferably without the publics knowledge of military involvement. In that case, Austria-Hungary would be ruled, if unofficially, by the military High Command and Ernst von Koerber the current premier.

The navy has also set sail en mass, patroling the med. A little late but better than never.

Alright, so after the crazed shooting of the admiral by Franz, the fleet he sent fled to the Austro-Hungarian naval base in Italy were it meet up with the majority of the fleet. The Navy is basically ignoring any orders given specifically from the Kaiser and obeying only the High Command. The army hasn't been alienated that much by Franz though they are extremly wary of anything he orders or suggests. If he pushes to far, he may find himself quietly transported to Italy for some 'rest' preferably without the publics knowledge of military involvement. In that case, Austria-Hungary would be ruled, if unofficially, by the military High Command and Ernst von Koerber the current premier.

The navy has also set sail en mass, patroling the med. A little late but better than never.

and thus the League retains control over the Central and Western Med, while the Coalition retains control over the Eastern Med and Aegean Sea.

Galveston Bay here... no tanks yet, caterpiller tracks are just being invented, tractors are uncommon, and for that matter, engines are very inadequate so far.... but they get better. You must be Tech level 5 to develop tanks, and only three nations are that at the moment (Britain, USA, Germany), and have a compelling reason. Only Germany is at war, and they have only been at war a couple of months. Their solution to trench warfare was better tactics in any case... tactics that were good enough to nearly win the war.

Just wondering, when will it be a reasonable timeframe to invent and employ farmland tractors? I'm thinking of having China invest in infrastructure and have its first intellectuals start inventing / developing stuff.

With farming tractors, it'd be easier for China to farm, thus ensuring a good food supply without starvation, while freeing up some more personnel for industry and factory work.

for tractors, they become pretty common in the 1920s, first in the US, then in the Soviet Union and then spreading out through Europe in the 1930s... only the US, Canada, and the Soviet Union really practice the huge scale (160 - 1000 acre or multi hectare) farming that really demands tractors. The US prior to that (and Canada) was used horse and oxen drawn mechanical reapers for the big farms. The Russian Empire could use them, but didn't really have them until after the Revolution and they went straight to tractors

Any European nations need guns and ammo? How about food? Australia is willing to provide what you need.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9458880#post9458880

for tractors, they become pretty common in the 1920s, first in the US, then in the Soviet Union and then spreading out through Europe in the 1930s... only the US, Canada, and the Soviet Union really practice the huge scale (160 - 1000 acre or multi hectare) farming that really demands tractors. The US prior to that (and Canada) was used horse and oxen drawn mechanical reapers for the big farms. The Russian Empire could use them, but didn't really have them until after the Revolution and they went straight to tractors

Would it be a stretch if I could become the first nation to employ large scale usage of the farming tractors? China has been industrializing pretty rapidly, and it is seeking more efficient farming methods with much lower manpower requirements, allowing it to operate large farms to supplement its 450+ million population. This should allow many Chinese farmers to either farm much larger farms or go into the city for factory jobs, thus helping accelerate the Chinese industrialization process.

What I had in mind was....

China gets its hands on the internal combustion engine technology. It researches viable options for the internal combustion engine, like diesel trains, cars, trucks, tractors, etc. Then by 1910 - 1915, China develops the first farm tractor (as we know it) then starts mass production of them by late 1910's or so.

Would it be a stretch if I could become the first nation to employ large scale usage of the farming tractors? China has been industrializing pretty rapidly, and it is seeking more efficient farming methods with much lower manpower requirements, allowing it to operate large farms to supplement its 450+ million population. This should allow many Chinese farmers to either farm much larger farms or go into the city for factory jobs, thus helping accelerate the Chinese industrialization process.

What I had in mind was....

China gets its hands on the internal combustion engine technology. It researches viable options for the internal combustion engine, like diesel trains, cars, trucks, tractors, etc. Then by 1910 - 1915, China develops the first farm tractor (as we know it) then starts mass production of them by late 1910's or so.

problem with China is that it has two crop belts. The rice belt includes the Yangtze and Yellow River valleys, while the wheat belt is north of that, including Manchuria. Tractors aren't practical for rice farming. However, the time frame is ok, and I don't see a reason why China can't do what you want.

However, the North Americans (Canadian and American) wheat farmers are already using tractors in small numbers and they will reach take off sooner in that technology. They simply have an easier time doing it and plenty of motive now that wheat prices are climbing do to the Great War.

OOC: Okay I was mistaken when I invaded. May it be wise to say that my army cnsits of 100,000 men with 50,000 in reservists? Also is okay to say that my tech level is 3.6? Also would it be safe to say that I have no naval power whatsoever and a GDP of 1 million Krones. Then what about the currency market? Should we start one so that it could be easy to see what is worth what against what.

IC:
With an increase of funding towards the building factorys to produce winter clothing and ice terrain for militarys and civilians. Also I wish to shore up foundations in my own party and in the country for public opinion. That would hopefully be accomplished by allowing a goverment incentive for non-"dirty' industry in Denmark.

OOC: Okay I was mistaken when I invaded. May it be wise to say that my army cnsits of 100,000 men with 50,000 in reservists? Also is okay to say that my tech level is 3.6? Also would it be safe to say that I have no naval power whatsoever and a GDP of 1 million Krones. Then what about the currency market? Should we start one so that it could be easy to see what is worth what against what.

IC:
With an increase of funding towards the building factorys to produce winter clothing and ice terrain for militarys and civilians. Also I wish to shore up foundations in my own party and in the country for public opinion. That would hopefully be accomplished by allowing a goverment incentive for non-"dirty' industry in Denmark.

Much more doable. In addition, Denmark is going to start making money selling food to the Germans soon as well. Perhaps a diplomatic effort to link up with Sweden and Norway to form a Scandic Trade Union would work as too.

I have a couple of questions...

1: Would there be any chance of any union between Norway and Denmark. Or an lasting, very close, alliance, since isn't Norway's King a former Dane?
2: How long until a productive shipyard for sumbs are made and/or below destroyer size craft.
3: Which year will airplanes be invented or helecopters. Since I was thinking :headbang: (Me thinking) if tanks are not going to be invented due to the terrain wouldn't the military planers be putting in more work for non-lighter than air reconnasince/light attacking aircraft.
4: Is here any players acting as Finland/Norway/ or Sweden. (No offense but I don't know how up to date the main page is.)

problem with China is that it has two crop belts. The rice belt includes the Yangtze and Yellow River valleys, while the wheat belt is north of that, including Manchuria. Tractors aren't practical for rice farming. However, the time frame is ok, and I don't see a reason why China can't do what you want.

However, the North Americans (Canadian and American) wheat farmers are already using tractors in small numbers and they will reach take off sooner in that technology. They simply have an easier time doing it and plenty of motive now that wheat prices are climbing do to the Great War.

Wouldn't it be too hard to adapt the tractors to rice harvesting? China can employ the tractors in traditional wheat farms in Northern China, and develop rice-tractors for use in the rice belts.

Humans can be pretty inventive and igneious when it comes to adapting equipment to new conditions or environs.

hey hey im back. sorry for being away for so long. On holiday, now where was i???

Euroslavia still playing as the Netherlands?????

Why? He hasn't been replaced for a couple of reasons...
1) It is Netherlands not the US
2) Your the first to ask about it
3) Most of the powerfull players/moderators are gone or just got back.
4) He is a forum mod

Those are why. :)

Thanks for the info GB.

For those of you who are interested I have added a map to the foreign possessions thread which i'll update as the RP progresses.

It can be found HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9136878#post9136878)

All of the big players have their empires marked on and i'm working on the other countries. Countries in white are currently independent.

quoting to save time referring......

so???????????? non paticipation is non participation. doesnt matter what kind of silk wrapping it is dressed up in.. just a thought morington

but hey plenty of other nations I guess :(

India still being played by swinotopia. i noticed question mark indicating probationary status...