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what year is this I'm thinking off rejoining. I have nothing to do. I won't take Ukraine again I'll pick another country as soon as I can figure out which one I want. I hope He lets me join as the reason I wasn't active before was because my computer crashed repetitively and I was moving to so I want to actually get into this and consistently RP.

what a bizarre coincidence, i'm also thinking of rejoining as Burgundy, I sent Hrst a TG but being as I sent a TG telling him that i'd left which came to nothing i'm not sure whats going to happen, but yes Hrst if you're listening, Burgundy, Smorgg (puppet of Spooty)

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I haven't been able to log on as Hrstrovokia for a couple weeks - not sure why. I'm editing the Main Post to inform people to TG Vas Pokhoronim instead.

You can go ahead and start posting in the old Burgundy Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=441245), as far as I'm concerned.

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You were ejected for violations of realism (e.g., a military using exploding pigeons as weapons), not for noninvolvement. Unless you can convince me and the other Moderators that you've acquired a vastly improved knowledge of history and can can actually RP realistic characters with plausible motivations, I'd recommend looking elsewhere for your amusement. There's nothing wrong with having an air force consisting of exploding pigeons, but this isn't the place for it.

Vas cant login to his Hrstvokia account so you will have to TG Vas himself.

the exploding pidgeons was a joke not a real thing. I am in touch with my history and that was to be funny. I wasn't really going to RP pidgeons blowing things up with Napalm. And I have gotten better at RPing as it stands anyway.

is there anything dramitically important that has happenned to Burgendy since i've been gone that I may need to know about? Apart from the stuff on the News Thread.

is there anything dramitically important that has happenned to Burgendy since i've been gone that I may need to know about? Apart from the stuff on the News Thread.
As a matter of fact, yes. Burgundy allowed Russian and German forces transit rights in order to assist in the defense of France during the Second Great War, starting in 1926 (overflights began in 1925). Towards the end of the War, as France was on the verge of falling, the Russian theater commander, Marshal Tukhachevsky, demanded further rights to actually base Warsaw Pact forces on Burgudian soil, in order to prevent their forces in France from being cut off (Tukhachevsky made the same demands of Belgium, as well). With the Allies on their very doorstep, the Burgundian Liberal government finally balked, Moscow and Berlin provoked a radical left-wing coup in Metz, and started basing troops there anyway (and in Belgium).

France fell within a month, however, and though the Pact was able to withdraw their troops from the Western Front, the War was basically lost anyway. The Pact withdrew all forces from Burgundy in August of 1926, a moderate government took power back in the name of the Grand Duke, and in 1928 the moderates, somewhat hesitantly, actually joined the London Treaty Alliance (i.e., the E20 equivalent of NATO - the treaty organization opposed to the spread and even existence of Socialism).

That's where things stand now. It's now (or will be tomorrow) 1932.

You'll also want to check out the League of Nations (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453071). Same goes for the Vietnamese player.

the exploding pidgeons was a joke not a real thing. I am in touch with my history and that was to be funny. I wasn't really going to RP pidgeons blowing things up with Napalm. And I have gotten better at RPing as it stands anyway.
Well, it was funny. Goofy as hell, but . . .

Anyway, if check the first post in this thread you'll find that the new admissions requires the links to at least two RP samples to be either posted here or TG'd to the three chief moderators (me, Sharina, and Galveston Bay), for assessment. I'm willing to take a look at your new stuff.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9962375&posted=1#post9962375 This is a medevial knight thread in which I have breif posting.


And I do not have the link but I am in a RP with Jenrak called Forming of an Empire in which we are conquering planets. It's pretty good so far. I am also in Earth VII as well. It's kinda of dying thats why I'm joining this.

just a question and a possible heads up, due to several factors (the former aiding of the Warsaw Pact, the revolutionary tendancies of the Luxembourg nationals, the unstable Monarchy which has shifted through 3 Duchesses since 1919 and the dwindling steel industry which is likely ((if it'll happen)) to be hit hard by the Great Depression) there is likely to be a lot of Socialist uprising and riots, now is what I said above true? Would that happen in the terms of the Realism moderator? and is there even going to be a great depression? Either way I was thinking that instead of going fully socialist I disband the Duchal system and put into place a Weimar type Democracy, again does that conform with Realism laws?

just a question and a possible heads up, due to several factors (the former aiding of the Warsaw Pact, the revolutionary tendancies of the Luxembourg nationals, the unstable Monarchy which has shifted through 3 Duchesses since 1919 and the dwindling steel industry which is likely ((if it'll happen)) to be hit hard by the Great Depression) there is likely to be a lot of Socialist uprising and riots, now is what I said above true? Would that happen in the terms of the Realism moderator? and is there even going to be a great depression? Either way I was thinking that instead of going fully socialist I disband the Duchal system and put into place a Weimar type Democracy, again does that conform with Realism laws?
The Great Depression isn't likely to happen for awhile, if at all. I on't know that the steel industry is dwindling, either. I could see the Grand Duchess abdicating and proclaiming a Republic - that's entirely her decision. Though there's not much difference between a republic and a constitutional monarchy, of course.

There may well be unrest left over from the War and the Pact's inva - er, intervention, though. Let me think about, and in the meantime if you can give me more details about where you want to take it, that'd be helpful.

So am i allowed to enter?

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from what I've read (not much) by this time the Luxembourg steel industry is slowly going down (though that is ever possible to be wrong) and with the end of the war there's going to be less to do anyway.

The problem I see in Hilda abdicating is that that would be the third abdication in 13 years, though that could lead to some interesting RP's, the way I want to take this is down the path of National Socialism, and before people start down the "silly n00b, Hitler is not in this RP" path it is entirely possible, a mix of Nationalism and Socialism could keep both the Middle Class and the Working class happy, so although it would be a National Socialism without Hitler it would be pretty much the same thing, what do you think? Am i insane yet?

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Good times on this thread

If I'm allowed in I want Peru

new news thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=455075

1932: Olympic Games in Lake Placid, NY(winter) Los Angeles, CA(summer)
1932: World's Fair in Los Angeles...
1934: FIFA World Cup in Italy
1936: Olympic Games in Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany (winter) Berlin, Germany (summer)
1937: World's Fair in Paris, France

VP, have you tried going to the Jolt home page and scrolling to the bottom, you should be able to log out of VP and into Hrst, if you have then this whole post seems a wee bit condescending, sorry.

so has anythingm happened in Peru that I need to know about if i get the permission to use it?

Can I please come back? I will no longer go more than my tech level and I will not create any more stupid forces. I will stick to what Ecuador can actually make. Also I have gotten better I have been the Weimar Republic thread on jolt and on Earth 7 (Spain said is was good). I have been playing a as Finland very well.

I'm begging to come back as well. I want Peru and will be a steady Rper as I have nothing else to do. I want to do some stuff on here. I'm thinking of abosrbing Tahiti and Reunion. That would be fun. They were both announced as part of France in 1946 so they are up for grabs

Hey Vas, I say you demand they bow down and worship you before they join. As proof of this, they must mail you sacrificial virgins.;)

...Hey... I want in...

Plus, I think a little Fascist Burgundy, resembling something like Singapore, would be pretty sweet. Then, you know, I could kill it every few years...

VP, have you tried going to the Jolt home page and scrolling to the bottom, you should be able to log out of VP and into Hrst, if you have then this whole post seems a wee bit condescending, sorry.
I can use the Jolt account just fine - it's the NS account I can't get into. That's why TGs sent to Hrstrovokia no longer reach me.

Zactarn Prime and Comstan, I'm going to turn over the decision on whether you can rejoin to Sharina and Galveston Bay. Since I was the one that ejected you both in the first place, I feel someone else should judge if either or both of you can come back.

Parthini']...Hey... I want in...

Plus, I think a little Fascist Burgundy, resembling something like Singapore, would be pretty sweet. Then, you know, I could kill it every few years...
Well, it would give a vent for your aggressions.

Hrstrovokia, the link to the world map for 1922 is, errr, defunct. The page apparently isn't there. At least, I haven't been able to see it from at least 3 different computers and internet connections.

I can use the Jolt account just fine - it's the NS account I can't get into. That's why TGs sent to Hrstrovokia no longer reach me.

Zactarn Prime and Comstan, I'm going to turn over the decision on whether you can rejoin to Sharina and Galveston Bay. Since I was the one that ejected you both in the first place, I feel someone else should judge if either or both of you can come back.
PLEASE lemme back in. I got better at RPing and have time to myself to RP. Please. I have no threads that are actually worth posting (no offense to any fellow RPers of mine :p ) and NS is the only thing I can do without my verbally abusive parents yelling at me untill there's a hole in my head. This is all I got man.

Also, is there a Great Depression going on? Because that would be really bad for foreign investment in India, which my country is relying more and more on.

No. There is no Great Depression. If there was, it'd screw over everyone's plans.

PLEASE lemme back in. I got better at RPing and have time to myself to RP. Please. I have no threads that are actually worth posting (no offense to any fellow RPers of mine :p ) and NS is the only thing I can do without my verbally abusive parents yelling at me untill there's a hole in my head. This is all I got man.
bump for me post

Zactarn Prime, please it cut out, you will get your answer today or tomorrow, there is no need for you to bump it. So please stop.

I'm begging to come back as well. I want Peru and will be a steady Rper as I have nothing else to do. I want to do some stuff on here. I'm thinking of abosrbing Tahiti and Reunion. That would be fun. They were both announced as part of France in 1946 so they are up for grabs


tahiti (Owned by the USA) Good luck there, not.
Reunion (Owned by Britain) more luck there

Hmm. To be honest, I'm getting a little annoyed by Zactarn Prime's 10+ posts begging the same thing. He needs to learn patience- after all, E20 does require patience with 1 RL week = 1 E20 year timescale going on.

As for Comstan, I'm not sure. Galveston Bay and Vas, can you TG me your opinions on him? I believe in second chances, but I need to be absouletely certain that Comstan will honor his promise of reforming himself.

I'd also like your opinions on Zactarn Prime as well.

Important issue.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9965820&postcount=129

This is about tech levels, advancement, and catch-up.

It is now 1932. Happy freakin' New Year.

No. There is no Great Depression. If there was, it'd screw over everyone's plans.

well my plans were relying on the Great Depression, and if it's inevitable anyway and we avoid it then we'd be metagaming, which is bad.

oh and I was planning a sort of BeNeLux treaty but I suck at writing up treaties so if anyone could help please TG me, of course it wouldn't be called the BeNeLux treaty being as Lux is now Bur, so I was thinking the BurBelNet, I also need the attention of Belgium and to know the reaction of NPC Netherlands.

well my plans were relying on the Great Depression, and if it's inevitable anyway and we avoid it then we'd be metagaming, which is bad.

the Great Depression was not inevitable, and resulted because of the First World War, an immature US economy hyperaccelerated by that war, poor international trade policy by a number of nations, and massive debts which were allowed to go bad and risky lending policies.

The First World War in this game (the Great War) was fought in 1905-07, and the US and UK were not involved, and the US government assumed all debts held by the overseas nations in order to stabilize the market, while the UK was not bankrupted (as it was historically). The 2nd World War (The Second Great War) was relatively brief as well, and as the British hadn't been drained by the first one, they retained their primacy in the international lending field.

In addition, the US was forced to institute the New Deal nearly a decade early to undercut socialist movements in the US.

In short, the historical circumstances have diverged significantly from the historical timeline, so the Great Depression is not inevitable.

oh and I was planning a sort of BeNeLux treaty but I suck at writing up treaties so if anyone could help please TG me, of course it wouldn't be called the BeNeLux treaty being as Lux is now Bur, so I was thinking the BurBelNet, I also need the attention of Belgium and to know the reaction of NPC Netherlands.

there is no Luxembourg, only Burgundy which consists of Luxembourg, Alsace, Lorraine, and part of the Saar.

there is no Luxembourg, only Burgundy which consists of Luxembourg, Alsace, Lorraine, and part of the Saar.

isn't that what I said?

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woah, I never said it was inevitable I just said that if it was inevitable and we avoided the issue then we'd be metagaming.

Pacificism and reaction to the Great Wars....

Italy, Spain, France, Colombia, and Germany have suffered horrendous casualties in 2 Global Wars. Because of this, and because they are liberal societies (at least in theory), a growing wave of pacifism develops after the most recent war. Initially it is limited to the educated elites, but it rapidly spreads and candidates who run for office vowing to reject the old ways (war as an instrument of policy, large standing armies, massive spending on weapons) make big strides and gain substantial followings in those countries.

A similar (although smaller in degree) wave of pacifism also hits the LTA nations, particularly the US and Britian. However, it doesn't dominate the national debate because casualties were relatively light in those countries, as they were in Russia. (light in proportion to numbers who fought). However, in the legislatures (Parliament and Congress) elected officials with isolationst goals become major players.

Brazil too suffered heavily in a nasty civil war, and the people pretty much want quiet.

The effect of all this will be to limit the freedom of action to go to war. Legislatures are going to insist that the government attempt to use the League of Nations first to resolve problems, and adventurism is going to be severely frowned upon.

ooc
in game terms, you may lose control of your government if you are one of the nations mentioned if you decide to go to war without a good reason.. at this point, the only really acceptable reasons are self defense of the national territory, an ally, or your shipping (and sometimes not even then).

tahiti (Owned by the USA) Good luck there, not.
Reunion (Owned by Britain) more luck there
Oh Didn't know. And Sharina I didn't know it takes up to 1 RL week sorry I just assumed if I begged I would get it :p . Sorry i'll stop

No one year in the thread is one rl week.

Hey Ecuador, nice to see you back. Now I have somewhere I can just randomly attack and make my bitch without pissing anyone off.

Pacificism and reaction to the Great Wars....

Italy, Spain, France, Colombia, and Germany have suffered horrendous casualties in 2 Global Wars. Because of this, and because they are liberal societies (at least in theory), a growing wave of pacifism develops after the most recent war. Initially it is limited to the educated elites, but it rapidly spreads and candidates who run for office vowing to reject the old ways (war as an instrument of policy, large standing armies, massive spending on weapons) make big strides and gain substantial followings in those countries.

A similar (although smaller in degree) wave of pacifism also hits the LTA nations, particularly the US and Britian. However, it doesn't dominate the national debate because casualties were relatively light in those countries, as they were in Russia. (light in proportion to numbers who fought). However, in the legislatures (Parliament and Congress) elected officials with isolationst goals become major players.

Brazil too suffered heavily in a nasty civil war, and the people pretty much want quiet.

The effect of all this will be to limit the freedom of action to go to war. Legislatures are going to insist that the government attempt to use the League of Nations first to resolve problems, and adventurism is going to be severely frowned upon.

ooc
in game terms, you may lose control of your government if you are one of the nations mentioned if you decide to go to war without a good reason.. at this point, the only really acceptable reasons are self defense of the national territory, an ally, or your shipping (and sometimes not even then).


So what is the deal with India? I've got some pretty un-nice events planned (for one thing, getting rid of the last four princely states; Jammu and Kashmir, Gwalior, Hyderabad, and Mysore), and I had a bit of a Baloch Rebellion (it was pretty small, and entirely possible since the Baloch have rebelled plenty of times before). Would the Indian people go insane over these conflicts, or just merely get p.o.'d? (Of course, the government lost alot of support over the 4 years, with Jinnah loosing over 17% of the electorate, and his main opponent, Chandra Bose, gaining almost twice as many voters).

So what is the deal with India? I've got some pretty un-nice events planned (for one thing, getting rid of the last four princely states; Jammu and Kashmir, Gwalior, Hyderabad, and Mysore), and I had a bit of a Baloch Rebellion (it was pretty small, and entirely possible since the Baloch have rebelled plenty of times before). Would the Indian people go insane over these conflicts, or just merely get p.o.'d? (Of course, the government lost alot of support over the 4 years, with Jinnah loosing over 17% of the electorate, and his main opponent, Chandra Bose, gaining almost twice as many voters).

depends on how you handle it.. with Western Moslems (Pakistanis) and Sikhs are going to want a strong central government for better security (as they were the ones who got invaded after all by the Russians). The Gandhi supporters also want a unified and strong India.

historically, the Princely states surrendered without a shot (or very few of them) once it became clear that Britian wasn't going to save them. So depends on how you and Ribenia handle it.

depends on how you handle it.. with Western Moslems (Pakistanis) and Sikhs are going to want a strong central government for better security (as they were the ones who got invaded after all by the Russians). The Gandhi supporters also want a unified and strong India.

historically, the Princely states surrendered without a shot (or very few of them) once it became clear that Britian wasn't going to save them. So depends on how you and Ribenia handle it.

I had the majority of the Princely States to give up w/o a shot (all besides those 4 I mentioned Earlier, which I am letting stay), except for Mewar (which got owned).

Yugoslavia is free from the horror of ballessness as the doctors here call it! Though we are Russia's biotch so we can't really do much, i will just start wars the roman way. BTW Italy, the defending an allie thing comes into effect if you touch Albania, Russia has a treaty with them to keep out foreign powers.

If you let me back I probably won't play as Ecuador. I will do a nation what has more information.

there is no Luxembourg, only Burgundy which consists of Luxembourg, Alsace, Lorraine, and part of the Saar.
Not part of the Saar.

I agree on the Pacifism thing, by the way. And the named countries are all appropirate (though my position is a little weird, given that one giant section of the Union is pacifist and the other giant section isn't - but it's not like the Russians are likely to be pushing for a rematch anytime soon anyway).

OOC: Vas Pokhoronim when do you think you will have a answer?

GB when do you think you will reach a decision? I'm ready to play as a new nation.

GB and VP will answer you when they get to you. They've got a lot on their plates, figuring out economics and such, and pestering them probably isn't going to help your cause.

GB when do you think you will reach a decision? I'm ready to play as a new nation.


chill dude. Chill.


choose the netherlands, and then sell the Dutch East Indies to me :-p

GB and VP will answer you when they get to you. They've got a lot on their plates, figuring out economics and such, and pestering them probably isn't going to help your cause.

Comstan, I am willing to give you Mexico on a trial basis.. but you will need an ok from Sharina or Vas.

I will be unavailable effective noon Pacific Time on Wednesday until sometime on Sunday for the Thanksgiving holiday and will not have computer access during that time.

I will chill out. I will play Mexico as a trial basis, but how long will this last for? I will also have to wait to see if Sharina and Vas. GB how many points does Mexico receive during peace time?

I will chill out. I will play Mexico as a trial basis, but how long will this last for? I will also have to wait to see if Sharina and Vas. GB how many points does Mexico receive during peace time?

Look in the Economy and Spending Thread, it should be in one of first couple of posts.

No one has reached a descision for me yet huh? O well I'll be waiting

Thank you

Chile is still there, right in the South Pacific where I left it. We had an election in 1930. The economy sucks so we're letting the Socialists have a shot at it. More money for transportation, electrification, etc.

OOC: damn hippies!

No one has reached a descision for me yet huh? O well I'll be waiting

who were you wanting to play?

I can I play as Mexico for a week then play as another country if you let me in?

I can I play as Mexico for a week then play as another country if you let me in?



A week in the life of Mexico



::Thistle goes rolling by::

who were you wanting to play?
Peru. But I will take Canada as it's a little more diplomatically seperate. Higher on the food chain.

A week in the life of Mexico



::Thistle goes rolling by::
Oh, man. I'm still laughing . . .

Zactarn Prime I have already told Galveston Bay I will take Canada. So you can choose Peru. Or you could play the nation of Sweden.

Considering Sweden is already run by a player who is sane at least 3/4s of the time, that is a negative.

I would also assume it would be smarter for the two of you to take what you get. Considering your record, you should be glad you are even allowed to have anything better than Tahiti.

Zactarn Prime I have already told Galveston Bay I will take Canada. So you can choose Peru. Or you could play the nation of Sweden.

Canada is not being made available Comstan, you can play Mexico.

Zactarn, pick a smaller country initially. I would suggest Norway or the Netherlands or Peru.

I can I play as Mexico for a week then play as another country if you let me in?

Mexico until further notice at this point.

Peru will be fine. So should I begin RPing as Peru or wait for confirmation?

Question:

I'm planning to have the Indian Government crack down on the four remaining princely states in India (Mysore, Hyderabad, Jammu and Kashmir, and Gwalior (http://library.thinkquest.org/25106/data/maps/britind.gif), and I plan to have at least Hyderabad put up a fight. Now, would this be one of those situations where Galveston is put in control?

And another thing; Do you think a military coup would be possible in India? I mean, Pakistan has had alot of them, Bangladesh has had some, and the military is becoming increasingly more powerful. I don't intend to have one right away, but I'm planning to have Jinnah die soon, then have the more pacifist Chandra Bose come to power (well, in comparison to this timelines Jinnah more peaceful, since Jinnah is the one who has been ordering all these miltiary crack-downs), and then have the army feel threatened, and voila; military coup.

Im out of town. Prolly wont have a lot of time to post but expect me to be back by sundayish. Ah and Im still confused about the points system(note I am not saying its evil). Would it be possible for me to just post my priorities and their order and then GB can tell me how it would work for them and how long it would take? I know Id be makeing a lot of work for you but the points system is really impedeing me.

Question:

I'm planning to have the Indian Government crack down on the four remaining princely states in India (Mysore, Hyderabad, Jammu and Kashmir, and Gwalior (http://library.thinkquest.org/25106/data/maps/britind.gif), and I plan to have at least Hyderabad put up a fight. Now, would this be one of those situations where Galveston is put in control?

And another thing; Do you think a military coup would be possible in India? I mean, Pakistan has had alot of them, Bangladesh has had some, and the military is becoming increasingly more powerful. I don't intend to have one right away, but I'm planning to have Jinnah die soon, then have the more pacifist Chandra Bose come to power (well, in comparison to this timelines Jinnah more peaceful, since Jinnah is the one who has been ordering all these miltiary crack-downs), and then have the army feel threatened, and voila; military coup.
GB is out of town till late Saturday or early Sunday. Civil wars are usually not controlled by the WarMod, but it depends on how large they are - the Spanish and Brazilian Civil Wars were moderated, with players running the opposition, whereas the Hungarian Civil War was only nominally moderated and both sides were handled by the Hungarian player.

So a lot depends on what you want to do with it. If the resistance is going to be big and long-lasting, find a player for the opposition and I can moderate while GB is away. Otherwise just go ahead and start and I (and GB) will check in from time to time on historical accuracy and plausibility.

As for the military coup thing, I'll have to research it, but given the particular circumstances of E20 India's independence, my preliminary impression is that it's not implausible.

Would it be possible for me to just post my priorities and their order and then GB can tell me how it would work for them and how long it would take? I know Id be makeing a lot of work for you but the points system is really impedeing me.

Let me or (better yet) Fluffywuffy know what your spending priorities are, and one of us can work out a budget for you.

GB is out of town till late Saturday or early Sunday. Civil wars are usually not controlled by the WarMod, but it depends on how large they are - the Spanish and Brazilian Civil Wars were moderated, with players running the opposition, whereas the Hungarian Civil War was only nominally moderated and both sides were handled by the Hungarian player.

So a lot depends on what you want to do with it. If the resistance is going to be big and long-lasting, find a player for the opposition and I can moderate while GB is away. Otherwise just go ahead and start and I (and GB) will check in from time to time on historical accuracy and plausibility.

As for the military coup thing, I'll have to research it, but given the particular circumstances of E20 India's independence, my preliminary impression is that it's not implausible.

I see. Well, I'm not planning to have it that large; it's not as if the princely states have large armies (they're small indeed, at most a few thousand men), or the princes are very popular (in Hyderabad, the leader is Muslim and the people Hindu, in Jammu and Kashmir, the leader is Hindu but the people are Muslim). It would mostly just be the Indian army storming across the borders, fighting small battles, and then imprisoning the leaders of the princely states.

I see. Well, I'm not planning to have it that large; it's not as if the princely states have large armies (they're small indeed, at most a few thousand men), or the princes are very popular (in Hyderabad, the leader is Muslim and the people Hindu, in Jammu and Kashmir, the leader is Hindu but the people are Muslim). It would mostly just be the Indian army storming across the borders, fighting small battles, and then imprisoning the leaders of the princely states.
I say go for it. Maybe include some lingering civil unrest or low-level terrorism as a result, at least for awhile, but otherwise I have no problems with that - it's less than what I did to the Lithuanians back in Double-Aught, after all.

should I rp as Peru now. GB said it was cool

should I rp as Peru now. GB said it was cool
Go ahead. Since Comstan got in, there's no rationale for keeping you out as well.

mm'kay, i'm gunna go for a Communist uprising soon, now before all the not-real arguments arise I have a few brief points

1. There was a riot to go communist in 1900-1901
2. The people of Luxembourg were noted to be quite rebellious IRL
3. I'm pretty much surrounded by communism
4. Seeing the rights given to the workers under communism it makes sense
5. The Pact invaded me once, the people may have been swayed in this time
6. Three abdications in 13 years shows the crappyness of the Duchal system
7. Socialists are already growing in power

Now this uprising will ultimately be put down, but it might pave the way for a Social Democratic uprising, bringing Democracy to the people, what's the opinion of the Realism mod?

(I am also Smorgg)

mm'kay, i'm gunna go for a Communist uprising soon, now before all the not-real arguments arise I have a few brief points

1. There was a riot to go communist in 1900-1901
2. The people of Luxembourg were noted to be quite rebellious IRL
3. I'm pretty much surrounded by communism
4. Seeing the rights given to the workers under communism it makes sense
5. The Pact invaded me once, the people may have been swayed in this time
6. Three abdications in 13 years shows the crappyness of the Duchal system
7. Socialists are already growing in power

Now this uprising will ultimately be put down, but it might pave the way for a Social Democratic uprising, bringing Democracy to the people, what's the opinion of the Realism mod?

(I am also Smorgg)
Well, GB is going to object pretty strongly. He's been pulling his hair out for quite some time already over the damn Red Spread.

In his defense, socialism has been much more widespread in E20 than in RL - however, the success of the German Revolution by itself would account for a lot of that.

Personally, I doubt that the Burgundians would stand for a violent overthrow of the system. Or violence in general. They've been Europe's battlefield for a long time. And Burgundy's Leftists would've lost at least as much credibility as they might have gained during the Pact's invasion, so at best it would cancel out in terms of their popularity.

As RealMod, I'd be against a Revolution. I think the attempt would backfire, and probably result in an Allied intervention, which neither France nor the Union would be prepared to stop.

More realistic would be a long-term sort of mending of the fences. If the Socialists in Burgundy abandoned violence, and adopted a moderate, pacifistic, gradualist program of reform and of dialogue with the big Socialist powers, that would be a lot more well-received by the Burgundian people. I mean, I was never very convinced that the Right wing in Burgundy would've been particularly strong, though GB and I argued about that a lot. In the end, more than anything, I suspect the Burgundians want peace.

I was never planning to go red just to go Democratic, the idea of a Republic really doesn't seem a brilliant idea to me, any ideas on how this can be achieved please don't hesitate.

I was never planning to go red just to go Democratic, the idea of a Republic really doesn't seem a brilliant idea to me, any ideas on how this can be achieved please don't hesitate.
I don't know how you're distinguishing between a democracy and a republic. I always thought that was a pretty artificial distinction, myself.

FAO: China (Sorry, forum search isn't working for me and I can't find your diplomatic post)

To: Chinese Government
From: Stanley Baldwin, British PM
Subject: Hong Kong

My Chinese counterparts,
I right to you on a matter of utmost importance, it appears that Hong Kong has not yet been returned to us since it was invaded by Chinese forces during the recent war. Britain has had legal (and authorised by China) ownership of the Island of Hong Kong since the Treaty of Nanking was signed on 29 August 1842. This right has never been challanged by the Chinese government or people and the has always been legally British. In addition to this ownership, the extension of the Hong Kong colony to include nearby land was granted by a lease signed by officials in 1898 granting Hong Kong to Britain until 1997. These agreements were internationally recognised and were held as legally binding by the rest of the world.

Since the invasion of Hong Kong by Chinese forces in the last war, the colony has been controlled by the Chinese government. This appears in large to be a mere administration error and the British government would be pleased if control of the territory be reverted to Britain and the previous garrison installed there. I understand that errors in running a country can occur and would appreciate your quick response to this matter lest it become an international incident that may stain the reputation of the developing Chinese nation. Do not forget that we have a binding lease agreement on the colony and that if it were to be broken Britain would appeal to the League of Nations for help and advice on the matter in hand and would follow their judgement.

Yours Faithfully,

Stanley Baldwin

FAO: China (Sorry, forum search isn't working for me and I can't find your diplomatic post)

To: Chinese Government
From: Stanley Baldwin, British PM
Subject: Hong Kong

My Chinese counterparts,
I right to you on a matter of utmost importance, it appears that Hong Kong has not yet been returned to us since it was invaded by Chinese forces during the recent war. Britain has had legal (and authorised by China) ownership of the Island of Hong Kong since the Treaty of Nanking was signed on 29 August 1842. This right has never been challanged by the Chinese government or people and the has always been legally British. In addition to this ownership, the extension of the Hong Kong colony to include nearby land was granted by a lease signed by officials in 1898 granting Hong Kong to Britain until 1997. These agreements were internationally recognised and were held as legally binding by the rest of the world.

Since the invasion of Hong Kong by Chinese forces in the last war, the colony has been controlled by the Chinese government. This appears in large to be a mere administration error and the British government would be pleased if control of the territory be reverted to Britain and the previous garrison installed there. I understand that errors in running a country can occur and would appreciate your quick response to this matter lest it become an international incident that may stain the reputation of the developing Chinese nation. Do not forget that we have a binding lease agreement on the colony and that if it were to be broken Britain would appeal to the League of Nations for help and advice on the matter in hand and would follow their judgement.

Yours Faithfully,

Stanley Baldwin



ooc: ooh the first crisis the League has to face possibly? As a player I'm worried, but it would be rather funny if they refused.


War anyone? :P

FAO: China (Sorry, forum search isn't working for me and I can't find your diplomatic post)
Snip.
The League of Nations (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453071) and China (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432834).

Aww... Burgundy.... I was hoping you would be the sprout of Fascism in our way-to-nice world. A Singapore to call our own.

Ooh! You could have the Reds revolt and then pull a Weimar... I like it!

Parthini']Aww... Burgundy.... I was hoping you would be the sprout of Fascism in our way-to-nice world. A Singapore to call our own.

Ooh! You could have the Reds revolt and then pull a Weimar... I like it!

that was the original plan, but you consider there were other factors, like the Reichstag Fire which created the Enabeling pact, but yes I hope to obtain Fascism one of these days.

Portugal is fascist.

Here's where GB said that Hong Kong and Macao is Chinese and that China won't return them.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.ph...5&postcount=64

Ah thanks for that Sharina. I must have missed that post initially. That clears a lot up for me and i'll edit the foreign possessions page (again!).

Cheers for that.

Everyone else: carry on as normal, nothing to see here...

Unless the League would like to take on the case anyway to test out it's capabilities. I don't mind losing it, but it would make a nice test to see if the system works.

k, change in plans, instead of the planned Communist revolt I'm proposing a general strike, the demands being the immediate abdication of Hilda and the enstating of a Democratic Republic, one of the most Democratic Republics ever to show that they are serious, any problems? If not i'll start immediatly.

Ah thanks for that Sharina. I must have missed that post initially. That clears a lot up for me and i'll edit the foreign possessions page (again!).

Cheers for that.

Everyone else: carry on as normal, nothing to see here...

Unless the League would like to take on the case anyway to test out it's capabilities. I don't mind losing it, but it would make a nice test to see if the system works.

I think that'd be something worth trying out. After all, it will be something to do besides worrying about the point system, and give us some more of the noteworthy E20 RP that made this community great in the first place. :)

What say you, guys?

I may need some help with Chinese names again.

You see, I'm ready to have Emperor Guozu's son ascend to prince-hood and become the next Emperor in case Guozu dies of old age or such. Besides, I have found a nice name for Guozu's son's wife.

The one name I have for the son's wife is... Ru Zhuo.

Any good Chinese names for Emperor Guozu's son?

k, change in plans, instead of the planned Communist revolt I'm proposing a general strike, the demands being the immediate abdication of Hilda and the enstating of a Democratic Republic, one of the most Democratic Republics ever to show that they are serious, any problems? If not i'll start immediatly.


Sounds good. If the people want democracy they'll go for it.

I think that'd be something worth trying out. After all, it will be something to do besides worrying about the point system, and give us some more of the noteworthy E20 RP that made this community great in the first place. :)

What say you, guys?

Sure. I promise not to have some crazy as hell representative fuck around at the League of Nations....;)

is there some link which will tell me whether or not i'm in the LTA, some people have told me I am and the League of Nations thread backs them up, but then others have claimed my nuetrality backed up by the fact that LTA isn't posted next to my name in the Economy and Spending thread.

Burgundy signed the LTA during the incredibly brief period of time after the Second Great War while it was still an NPC.

It was a controversial decision within the Burgundian government - not particularly popular, but part of the backlash against the Socialist powers after the war, when the Allies still looked powerful.

However, going by precedent, Denmark signed the Warsaw Pact when they were occupied, but their membership lapsed after their first free elections (i.e., it wasn't ratified). Taking this as an example, you can decide whether or not your legislature ratifies Burgundy's membership in the LTA.

Africa is beginning to organze; we've got our own international body now:

Pan-African Congress (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9993849&postcount=63)

OOC: Come join the unalligned nations, it now has a charter lovingly written by me.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9994925&postcount=19

For those who are not in the League citing national sovereignty, etc., etc., Italy has proposed ammending the League charter. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9994966&postcount=203) Let's see how this works out....

OOC: I'll see how it works out. Hopefully well. But you've completely misdiagnosed the problem. Argentina didn't sign in the first place because they'd be giving up their national soverignty. Now, you've been nice enough to propose not to just take it away anyhow.

Oh, we'll thank you for that, you've definately got some brownie points there... But I still don't think we'll be signing the League Charter anytime soon. That would defeat the whole point of what we were fighting for.

I don't think he's so much trying to get you join the League as much as he's trying to get you to stop griping. I wouldn't call that a misdiagnosis of the problem at all . . .

I don't think he's so much trying to get you join the League as much as he's trying to get you to stop griping. I wouldn't call that a misdiagnosis of the problem at all . . .


"a griping soldier is a happy soldier"

;-)

Japan will be holding a conference on updating the laws of the sea.


On the Agenda, Territorial exclusions zones

Economic Exclusion Zones

the Reaffirmation of the Freedom of the Sea's

It will be hosted in Nagasaki

Invited Nations
Japan
Britain
United States
Union/Germany
Netherlands
Belgium
Argentina
China
Italy
Middle Eastern Union
Sweden

and any other major seafaring nation (i know i'm forgetting a bunch)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9995425#post9995425

I don't think he's so much trying to get you join the League as much as he's trying to get you to stop griping. I wouldn't call that a misdiagnosis of the problem at all . . .

OOC: Consider griping about it to have stopped should it pass. Out of character though, I'd rather have it fail. OOC griping isn't fun, but IC griping is. And it's always nice to have a disaggreement that everyone knows isn't going to end in World War III (Unless the LTA and Pact solution is to invade Japan, China and Argentina and force them to join the League).

OOC: Consider griping about it to have stopped should it pass. Out of character though, I'd rather have it fail. OOC griping isn't fun, but IC griping is. And it's always nice to have a disaggreement that everyone knows isn't going to end in World War III (Unless the LTA and Pact solution is to invade Japan, China and Argentina and force them to join the League).

Well...

:mp5:

Join forces with the Germans and Russians? That's about as likely as the Motherland and the Fatherland uniting. Dammit! Guess the Germans and Russians are now my best buds.....

How do you like your Jap? I like mine breaded with some ground up Chinese and deep fried in some Argentine blood. ;)

I hear Argentine meat is quite good when served with steak sauce. Oh, and I prefer Jap raw. Chinese is delicious served on some fried rice.

Erm...

I believe we should work... this... out... pea... peacefully... *head explodes*

To the Mod, I was wondering if the Middle Eastern Union could set up a organization along the lines of the rl The Organization of the Islamic Conference(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_the_Islamic_Conference) , and its base for the conference will be in Damascus. I belive some NPC Islamic states like Afghanistan may join, maybe the NPC Morroco may join to, and maybe the Algerian player would join and just forming the foundnation for the OIC.

Though I ain't in a position to say with certainty, I don't see why not. Also, Italy will allow its colonies to be represented in this conference if an Italian observer is allowed (as all of my colonies are Muslim)

To the Mod, I was wondering if the Middle Eastern Union could set up a organization along the lines of the rl The Organization of the Islamic Conference(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_the_Islamic_Conference) , and its base for the conference will be in Damascus. I belive some NPC Islamic states like Afghanistan may join, maybe the NPC Morroco may join to, and maybe the Algerian player would join and just forming the foundnation for the OIC.
Well, there's no flashpoint (pardon the pun) for its formation, and no anti-Zionism to rally around. On the other hand, I imagine there would be at least some interest on the part of the few independent Muslim states in the world - probably mostly centered around ending colonialism.

How would you regard India, by the way?

For nations like India with high numbers of Muslims living in their lands, they will be granted Observer States, within the system. Also the same will go for Soviet Union which has a high number of Muslims. As for a reason for this organization..well how about Economic aid and trade, with common bond of Muslim backgound.

Like I say, I think there'd be interest. Go ahead and start it.

So would the few NPC muslims state join this Organization of the Islamic Conference?

So would the few NPC muslims state join this Organization of the Islamic Conference?
I guess what I'm trying to say is, start it first. They will all send observers, but whether they join or not will depend a lot on what the purposes of the Organization are, and how it's run, and a bunch of other things that won't become clear until you've started it.

righto..I'll get to work on that soon.

Funny fun fun! I get to be an observer of your happy Muslim alliance thingermabob.

(Forgive me for the weird-acting-ness. Playing Skies of Arcadia Legends from 8:30 in the mornin' till 10:00 at night can do that to yas...)

Funny fun fun! I get to be an observer of your happy Muslim alliance thingermabob.

(Forgive me for the weird-acting-ness. Playing Skies of Arcadia Legends from 8:30 in the mornin' till 10:00 at night can do that to yas...)
You scare me at times. >_<

You scare me at times. >_<

Heh heh heh...

I know your secret! You've been hiding the silver moon crystal in the Chief Elder! Now I will kill you and take over all of Arcadia! MWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!

*passes out on the floor*

I am back... Lightning Star, the Princely states pretty much surrender without resistance, IF the British decide not to back them. If the British do back them, then we will see fighting in India (based on historical 1948 precedent).

Burgundy, Luxembourg has never had a sufficently large enough working class proletarian population to justify a communist movement of any real size, and Burgundy was created after the Great War as a buffer state. During the between the wars period for 20 years, it has a player for a brief time who treated it as a war weary nation uninterested in conflict, and trying to maintain stability. The player also laid the seeds for an army which as a mod I carried forward to their logicial conclusion. During the between the wars period both Germany and France had nasty civil wars but Burgundy escaped this. My assumption is that they would have been glad to do so and would have hoped to escape the conflict in both of those nations. In a way, it would have actually provided a real reason for Burgundy to exist. An island of calm in the tumult of Europe.

Under pressure during the 2nd Great War, Burgundy allowed the Pact to freely move through their territory by rail, and also allowed overflights. Right up to the moment when Pact armies invaded from two sides and crushed it in a short campaign (figure about 30 days maximum). Burgundian casualties were heavy. Post war, the US rebuilt Burgundian industry without charge.

Burgundian LTA membership is assumed because of that invasion, and because the Mods decided that it was reasonable. Continued LTA membership is up to you, but in my view, it is very likely that sizeable numbers of your citizens would prefer the possibilty of US protection.

thanks GB you've settled my mind and my extremist idea, calm and easy it is, oh and retain membership to LTA.

I am back... Lightning Star, the Princely states pretty much surrender without resistance, IF the British decide not to back them. If the British do back them, then we will see fighting in India (based on historical 1948 precedent).

Britain decides not to back the princely states at this stage and will allow them to be brought firmly under Indian control.

Welcome back GB.

Britain decides not to back the princely states at this stage and will allow them to be brought firmly under Indian control.

Welcome back GB.

Well darn, I won't get to see any action. Pity :D

Oh well, this could lead down the road towards military getting angry-ness...

Ummm can I substitute Peru for Bhutan. I haven't posted anything as Peru yet because I have been busy. So can i take Bhutan and get rid of Peru. (I'm trying to learn Dzongkha [national Bhutanese Language] so this kills two birds with one stone.)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10004478#post10004478 the foundanation of the OIC.

Ummm can I substitute Peru for Bhutan. I haven't posted anything as Peru yet because I have been busy. So can i take Bhutan and get rid of Peru. (I'm trying to learn Dzongkha [national Bhutanese Language] so this kills two birds with one stone.)

This raises a question.

Because Bhutan is usually lumped in as a princely state on the maps of Princely states of India. And I kinda did something to, errr, absorb the princely states into India.

Mods, what's your opinion on this?

Nepal remains independent, as does Bhutan at this time, and neither are interested in joining India. The Indian Army requests that the special arrangment with Nepal that supplies the Indian and British Army with Ghurkas is too useful to be trifled with, and invading Bhutan by force might jeopardize that.

Nepal remains independent, as does Bhutan at this time, and neither are interested in joining India. The Indian Army requests that the special arrangment with Nepal that supplies the Indian and British Army with Ghurkas is too useful to be trifled with, and invading Bhutan by force might jeopardize that.

I see.

Nepal remains independent, as does Bhutan at this time, and neither are interested in joining India. The Indian Army requests that the special arrangment with Nepal that supplies the Indian and British Army with Ghurkas is too useful to be trifled with, and invading Bhutan by force might jeopardize that.

What are Ghurkas exactly? Elite warriors?

What are Ghurkas exactly? Elite warriors?

in short, they are considered some of the best troops in history, and they only fight for the British and Indians. Their ferocity is so legendary that their appareance in that war has been considered by some writers as one of the reasons why the Argentinians packed it in during the Falklands War.

the movie "The Man that Would Be King" (Sean Connery, Michael Caine, Christopher Plummer, from the Kipling story) has a major character who is a Ghurka... and that ferocity is well demonstrated in the story.

They are without a doubt THE best light infantry in the world, known for their knives(don't know how to spell it but it is like Kukari or something like that) The Ghurkas were the only men to accomplish their objective on the first day of Gallipoli and have shown their worth time and time again. For the most part they are mercenaries(a couple thousand employed by Britain, and about 10k by India i believe currently)

Hmm. Thats interesting.

I wonder why these Gurka super-warriors would help the British. Wouldn't they rather fight for their own homes aganist imperialism and such, or desire their own independent nation?

Hmm. Thats interesting.

I wonder why these Gurka super-warriors would help the British. Wouldn't they rather fight for their own homes aganist imperialism and such, or desire their own independent nation?

Because their nation sucks :D

Hmm. Thats interesting.

I wonder why these Gurka super-warriors would help the British. Wouldn't they rather fight for their own homes aganist imperialism and such, or desire their own independent nation?

They aren't doing it right now with the communist(i believe they are communist) rebels that come into villages in nepal with Ghurka veterans and rob them because they are the richest people in the area. They refuse to fight for or against the Nepal Monarchy i guess.

Hmm. Thats interesting.

I wonder why these Gurka super-warriors would help the British. Wouldn't they rather fight for their own homes aganist imperialism and such, or desire their own independent nation?
What are you talking about? Nepal is an independent nation. That's how this discussion about Gurkhas got started in the first place.

What are you talking about? Nepal is an independent nation. That's how this discussion about Gurkhas got started in the first place.

Eh? I remember Lesser Ribenia or you or GB saying that Nepal and Bhutan were British protectorates or something way back when E20 was still in the 1900's. :confused:

I think the consensus was reached that they were independent but were heavily influenced by Britain and India. They are certainly sovereign nations on the possessions thread anyway.

Hmm. Thats interesting.

I wonder why these Gurka super-warriors would help the British. Wouldn't they rather fight for their own homes aganist imperialism and such, or desire their own independent nation?

tradition, and they get paid well, and economic opportunities in Nepal are exactly huge. Plus, they aren't being exploited by the British or Indians, so they don't care much about Imperialism.

Eh? I remember Lesser Ribenia or you or GB saying that Nepal and Bhutan were British protectorates or something way back when E20 was still in the 1900's. :confused:

they are, but they are also independent, just as Cuba and Liberia are (but still under US protection for example).

So do I get my Lanlocked funny language Bhutan or not. I want it badly.

So do I get my Lanlocked funny language Bhutan or not. I want it badly.

I am ok with it

I'll start RPing Bhutan'

SPEAKING OF WHICH:

Sikkim wasn't absorbed into India until the '70's, so right now it is an independent nation. Is there anyway I could change that?

Also, are Sikkim and Bhutan BRITISH Protectorates, or INDIAN protectorates?

SPEAKING OF WHICH:

Sikkim wasn't absorbed into India until the '70's, so right now it is an independent nation. Is there anyway I could change that?

Also, are Sikkim and Bhutan BRITISH Protectorates, or INDIAN protectorates?

hmm.. have to think about that one

Britain and India should settle that between them IC.

Britain and India should settle that between them IC.

That could be another good League of Nations RP in there. :)

MAJOR IDEA:

I watched Shootout on the History Channel and was reminded of a game franchise called "Call of Duty". This leads me to propose two major ideas for E20.

1. Hero Units
2. RP out platoon or squad battles at critical missions (take a town, capture enemy position, etc.)

What I propose by Hero Units is that there's one or two "units" that become able to do extraordinary feats- some examples of Heroic stuff in RL include Otto Skorzeny, the Red Baron, Doolittle, etc. These Heroic units should be difficult to destroy, and become able to beat incredible odds like 2 to 1, 3 to 1, and so on. However, there should be an extremely limited number of heroic units.

What I mean by idea #2, is that we are able to RP out squad or platoon level battles at critical missions. For example, like in the Call of Duty games, you are given an objective or goal, and then you (and in some missions, fellow soldiers in squad or platoon) try to achieve these goals. Some missions could include taking a critical supply route, capturing enemy artillery or bunkers, take out fortifications, etc.

I believe that woulod be exciting to RP out, and much more interesting to read and become a tangible piece of history than a simple "One 10-point American Infantry defeats an 8-point German garrison" that was going on all the time in Great War 2.

Share your ideas, feedback, and suggestions please. :)

MAJOR IDEA:

I watched Shootout on the History Channel and was reminded of a game franchise called "Call of Duty". This leads me to propose two major ideas for E20.

1. Hero Units
2. RP out platoon or squad battles at critical missions (take a town, capture enemy position, etc.)

What I propose by Hero Units is that there's one or two "units" that become able to do extraordinary feats- some examples of Heroic stuff in RL include Otto Skorzeny, the Red Baron, Doolittle, etc. These Heroic units should be difficult to destroy, and become able to beat incredible odds like 2 to 1, 3 to 1, and so on. However, there should be an extremely limited number of heroic units.

What I mean by idea #2, is that we are able to RP out squad or platoon level battles at critical missions. For example, like in the Call of Duty games, you are given an objective or goal, and then you (and in some missions, fellow soldiers in squad or platoon) try to achieve these goals. Some missions could include taking a critical supply route, capturing enemy artillery or bunkers, take out fortifications, etc.

I believe that woulod be exciting to RP out, and much more interesting to read and become a tangible piece of history than a simple "One 10-point American Infantry defeats an 8-point German garrison" that was going on all the time in Great War 2.

Share your ideas, feedback, and suggestions please. :)

I second this. Perhaps they should be made like in Civ3, where a unit that does well has a such-and-such chance of becoming a Hero Unit, and Hero Units can be of any offensive military type. Again, they would be rare. Very rare.

A statesman is gone.... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10010758&postcount=141)

i'm against hero units, it'll make an already confusing game a whole load more confusing.

Well the 'hero' idea is interesting at least. Perhaps each nation could purchase say one of these units for every I don't know, 5-10 million people but they would cost 3x as much as a regular infantry unit or what every type of hero unit your chosing to build. It would add another level of complexity however.

As to the matter of RP'ing the small battles....great idea, a little impracticle I would imagine.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10009108#post10009108 My News Thread for Bhutan

I dont think hero units would be such a good idea, if you wan to add a bit of rp to it why don't you just write a short story about the results that GB posts.
For instance if the result of a battle is One 10-point American Infantry defeats an 8-point German garrison. Then youa as say the Americans Rp a the battle from the point of view of one of your soldiers or generals.

I dont think hero units would be such a good idea, if you wan to add a bit of rp to it why don't you just write a short story about the results that GB posts.
For instance if the result of a battle is One 10-point American Infantry defeats an 8-point German garrison. Then youa as say the Americans Rp a the battle from the point of view of one of your soldiers or generals.

I agree completely

Indeed, the quality points system that we use for the units already accounts for elite/hero units. I made my feelings known over at the military thread.

(sigh)

I wanted to RP a Chinese soldier rising from the rank of a private to a general. Along the way, the Chinese soldier does incredible feats, hence the promotions like how James Dolittle was promoted to general / major leadership role from his combat experience, not from passing academic tests and crap.

I also wanted to establish a legendary Chinese battleship or battlecruiser, and RP it being in service and do incredible feats like the USS Hood in RL (minus the sinking). For instance, I want to RP a Chinese battleship fighting and emerging victorious aganist tremendous odds just once, thus bestowing "Legendary" status on the Chinese battleship. This situation can happen in the following... A Chinese battleship ecounters a floatilla of enemy vessels, along with a single battleship and an aircraft carrier. The Chinese battleship manages to sink the enemy battleship first, but in doing so, gets its rudder damaged. The battleship then goes in circles, firing and sinking the rest of the ships despite taking tremendous damage (but not sink). Somewhat like what if the Bismarck actually emerged victorious in RL from the British attacks. Then I can RP it staying in service and doing more awe-inspiring feats from 1940's through the 2000's and beyond. Gives that epic feeling.

I also wanted to RP a Chinese pilot as my own James Dolittle- doing what was thought implausible or impossible, and take risky missions. For instance, why not have my Chinese Dolittle do the same feat aganist India or Indonesia as the RL Dolittle did aganist Tokyo in 1942.


The bottom line is that even if I do have these heroic units, I won't take advantage of them or meta-game them, like placing them in difficult positions every time, or cheating or such. I want to add flavor to Chinese history, and have it have believable heroes or legendary feats. I will not do cheap shots or anything of the sort because I've been watching a lot of History Channel lately (2+ hours everyday for the past week and half) and I didn't realize just how much heroes actually made and influenced history.

Then in each of the little sections that you Rp do it from the point of view from one of your 'legendary' units therefore making a continous story with which to attribute them.

Actually I think I might do thast it sounds like an intresting thing to do.

Bhutanese Mountain Soldiers. Hehe. I like that idea though. I am Bhutan

I'm going to start a UN thing. Similair to the UN.

We already have the League of nations so that is unnesesary.

I know. But Like NATO and UN. Two will work.

I know. But Like NATO and UN. Two will work.

NATO and the UN are not at all the same thing. Having a UN-like organization when we already have a League of Nations would be redundant and unnecessary. It would probably be better for Bhutan to join the League.

UN=League of nations
NATO=LTA or Pact

UN=League of nations
NATO=LTA or Pact

dont forget the Union of Unaligned Nations (the UUN) or something to that effect

(sigh)

I wanted to RP a Chinese soldier rising from the rank of a private to a general. Along the way, the Chinese soldier does incredible feats, hence the promotions like how James Dolittle was promoted to general / major leadership role from his combat experience, not from passing academic tests and crap.

I also wanted to establish a legendary Chinese battleship or battlecruiser, and RP it being in service and do incredible feats like the USS Hood in RL (minus the sinking). For instance, I want to RP a Chinese battleship fighting and emerging victorious aganist tremendous odds just once, thus bestowing "Legendary" status on the Chinese battleship. This situation can happen in the following... A Chinese battleship ecounters a floatilla of enemy vessels, along with a single battleship and an aircraft carrier. The Chinese battleship manages to sink the enemy battleship first, but in doing so, gets its rudder damaged. The battleship then goes in circles, firing and sinking the rest of the ships despite taking tremendous damage (but not sink). Somewhat like what if the Bismarck actually emerged victorious in RL from the British attacks. Then I can RP it staying in service and doing more awe-inspiring feats from 1940's through the 2000's and beyond. Gives that epic feeling.

I also wanted to RP a Chinese pilot as my own James Dolittle- doing what was thought implausible or impossible, and take risky missions. For instance, why not have my Chinese Dolittle do the same feat aganist India or Indonesia as the RL Dolittle did aganist Tokyo in 1942.


The bottom line is that even if I do have these heroic units, I won't take advantage of them or meta-game them, like placing them in difficult positions every time, or cheating or such. I want to add flavor to Chinese history, and have it have believable heroes or legendary feats. I will not do cheap shots or anything of the sort because I've been watching a lot of History Channel lately (2+ hours everyday for the past week and half) and I didn't realize just how much heroes actually made and influenced history.
I'll probably post some reply in the Military Thread, as well, but I do want to say that "Hero Units," as such, are likely to make E20 more like a board game, rather than less like one.

A lot of the "number crunching" of the last War was specifically due to my constant insistence that I know exactly on what basis the WarMod was making his decisions. He would, I'm sure, have been happier to just write narratives of the battles, but the output seemed arbitrary in the absence of information regarding the input.

And you'll notice the Pact started doing a lot better once I had access to the same map, and to the numbers. By then it was too late to win, but still.

As far as unorthodox tactics and legendary individuals are concerned, I definitely think they should have a place in E20. I believe the precedent, in fact, ought to be my moderation of the Brazilian Civil War (see link in Main Post), where the US-backed (and GB-controlled) rebels tried a lot of highly unorthodox tactics, many of which backfired. Repeated and spectacularly failed assassination attempts on General Os, for example, enhanced his his stature considerably and lost the rebellion a lot of popular support. Conversely, the Government troops in Manaus tried a complicated sortie and ambush and lost the entire district, and most of an army, to numerically inferior forces as a result. The commanding general (I forget who - Miranda? Felix?) was prevented from committing suicide only by the direct intervention of the President himself.

These kinds of things really ought to be taken into account. But I don't think making "hero units" is really the best option for doing that.

Vas, you do know I'm off of Peru and I have Bhutan

Vas, you do know I'm off of Peru and I have Bhutan
For the moment, at least. It looks like you're doing a good job of alienating the major powers in your area.

I'll edit the Main Post when I edit it, and if Bhutan is still independent I'll make a note of you playing it. It's a pretty insignificant little place, i have a hard time seeing the attraction . . .

I will be unable to check up on NS until late Saturday morning (EST), so if anyone urgently needs to contact South Africa (though I don't know why you would, as I'm pretty unimportant), don't expect a reply for the next couple of days.

Try not to destroy the world while I'm away...:rolleyes:

GB, I sent you a TG.

For the moment, at least. It looks like you're doing a good job of alienating the major powers in your area.

I'll edit the Main Post when I edit it, and if Bhutan is still independent I'll make a note of you playing it. It's a pretty insignificant little place, i have a hard time seeing the attraction . . .
I'm Bhutanese. My parents were in Bhutan (they are American) and I was born in Thimpu. A month after birth I moved to USA. I have no accent or recalection of Bhutan but I was born there.

Okay...

I wanted to incorporate what Vas said (he hit the nail on its head) as follows...

As far as unorthodox tactics and legendary individuals are concerned, I definitely think they should have a place in E20. I believe the precedent, in fact, ought to be my moderation of the Brazilian Civil War (see link in Main Post), where the US-backed (and GB-controlled) rebels tried a lot of highly unorthodox tactics, many of which backfired. Repeated and spectacularly failed assassination attempts on General Os, for example, enhanced his his stature considerably and lost the rebellion a lot of popular support. Conversely, the Government troops in Manaus tried a complicated sortie and ambush and lost the entire district, and most of an army, to numerically inferior forces as a result. The commanding general (I forget who - Miranda? Felix?) was prevented from committing suicide only by the direct intervention of the President himself.

Hence, my reasoning for having heroic people or units. We need some exciting action or miracle feats like Dolittle's 80 man air wing doing a daring bomb on Tokyo in revenge for Pearl Harbor. That would flesh out E20, and give it a flavor of heroism like what really happened in our RL WW 2.

Thus, this idea needs to be refined and tweaked so to allow for these "Wow!" moments to occur like they did in RL, and will make E20 more interesting to read about.

I'm not saying "OMG! Hero units massacre everything in sight!" That's far from what I'm trying to accomplish here. What I'm trying to accomplish is to add more flavor to E20, with interesting characters and the "Wow!" points in history.


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The Hero stuff aside, I've just been informed about something major.

Council of Clan and Manarth apparently quit E20. That means we don't have a Japan or Argentina player anymore. How will this affect whats happening in E20?

I'm Bhutanese. My parents were in Bhutan (they are American) and I was born in Thimpu. A month after birth I moved to USA. I have no accent or recalection of Bhutan but I was born there.
Oh. I had no idea. That certainly explains it.

Awesome place, Bhutan.

lol. Thanks. I am 100% American actually although I am a Bhutanese citizen. I am also American. I had no clue until a year ago that I was born in Bhutan. Treat me as an American. But that may solve your interest.

I still don't see the point of adding them as a unit, i mean RP them, or just ask GB to incorporate them in some way. You make it out to be like hero's are the ones that cause things to happen, it is quite the opposite, things that happen create hero's, so i don't see the point of having heros. It wouldn't make sense to be like, "Doolittle leads raid, and it succeeds because he is a hero." It is more like "Some random guy just led a mission and it somehow succeeds, lets give him a medal and promotion!"

I still don't see the point of adding them as a unit, i mean RP them, or just ask GB to incorporate them in some way. You make it out to be like hero's are the ones that cause things to happen, it is quite the opposite, things that happen create hero's, so i don't see the point of having heros. It wouldn't make sense to be like, "Doolittle leads raid, and it succeeds because he is a hero." It is more like "Some random guy just led a mission and it somehow succeeds, lets give him a medal and promotion!"

Actually, I said that nations CAN NOT produce Hero units or characters through normal means (like point system or production). They can only be "created" through action- namely 3 or more battles where they are victorious (could be said to gain medals, recommendations, elite battle experience, etc.)

just rp it, much easier and better....

Okay...



The Hero stuff aside, I've just been informed about something major.

Council of Clan and Manarth apparently quit E20. That means we don't have a Japan or Argentina player anymore. How will this affect whats happening in E20?

Vas and I think Fluffywuffy would make a good Japanese player, other options are also being considered. Someone comfortable with seapower and with a solid understanding of its strengths and weaknesses is required for Japan.

Argentina is less critical

I know that I'm not really supposed to post here, because this is a closed thread but....

Wow. You guys have done an amazing job with a seemingly impossible task. I've been reading a lot of the E20 (not nearly everything out there, but a lot), and I'm impressed. The divergence from real life while keeping to historical possibilities has actually worked, a feat which is hard to accomplish. (I know this from seeing other games of this sort go down in flames as countries defied centuries of momentum to change according to their players' views.)

By the way, Sharina, my money's on you to "win" the game. I think the way you've played China is pretty cool.

Could someone please explain how the economy is working now? How many Production Points per factory are we getting?

BTW< Socialist Party has won many seats in Rumania...Check it out (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452921)

Huh... so I guess if Fluff took Japan, then Italy would be an NPC and thus easier to conquer... hmm... oh, just me thinking aloud that's all *cough*

:mp5:

Could someone please explain how the economy is working now? How many Production Points per factory are we getting?

BTW< Socialist Party has won many seats in Rumania...Check it out (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452921)

your actual available base economic strength is on the first page (as of 1932). You can double, triple or quadruple it at a price, or cut it in half as well.

I know that I'm not really supposed to post here, because this is a closed thread but....

Wow. You guys have done an amazing job with a seemingly impossible task. I've been reading a lot of the E20 (not nearly everything out there, but a lot), and I'm impressed. The divergence from real life while keeping to historical possibilities has actually worked, a feat which is hard to accomplish. (I know this from seeing other games of this sort go down in flames as countries defied centuries of momentum to change according to their players' views.)

By the way, Sharina, my money's on you to "win" the game. I think the way you've played China is pretty cool.


Thanks for the compliments. All of us have worked hard at trying to get this RP to be realistic and fun for all involved. A lot of thanks goes out to our moderators: Sharina, Vas, and GB. Without them we wouldn't have gotten as far as we have. They keep this game running!

If you'd like to join, TG Sharina (I think). We have plenty of open countries.

Hmm...

I'd like to keep Japan and Argentina open for a week or two, see if any new players are interested in joining up as either one of these nations. If nobody joins up by then, we can offer Japan to Fluffywuffy and see whether he wants to play Japan or if he wants to stay as Italy.

Sounds fair?

Hmm...

I'd like to keep Japan and Argentina open for a week or two, see if any new players are interested in joining up as either one of these nations. If nobody joins up by then, we can offer Japan to Fluffywuffy and see whether he wants to play Japan or if he wants to stay as Italy.

Sounds fair?

Japan is pretty critical at this point.. someone experienced in the RP would be better, and Fluffywuffy has the most seniority I think, and has earned a shot at it.

Japan is pretty critical at this point.. someone experienced in the RP would be better, and Fluffywuffy has the most seniority I think, and has earned a shot at it.

Thats true- assuming Fluffy wants to RP Japan. Besides, we should be able to allow new players a shot at Japan as well. Its only fair.

I'm planning to start an Asian Alliance. A group assembly for Asian countries (includes Middle East if they truly want in) to meet and discuss regional matters and world matters and there affects on this side of the world. I think it's a good idea I just want someon to back me up on it. Please tell me if it sounds alright or not. (This will have no affect on League of Nations)

As for Japan. I think that it should be left open for about two weeks. But, since Japan is important any threads involving Japan, someone shoould enter it as Japan. Just a random person, first come first serve, deal. If theres a thread: (example) Austrailia Declares war on Japan. Well I could jump in with a post like this:

OOC: For this thread i'll take Japan.

IC: The Japanese government wishes to know reasons for war but would like to inform Austrailian Government that we will not hesitate to defend ourselves.



That kind of thing would work.

As Administrative Moderator, I've actually already offered Japan to Fluffywuffy. Artitsa would probably be my second choice for taking it over.

And, to be honest Sharina, I'd rather have an experienced player as Japan, someone who knows what's been going on in E20, instead of someone new. Japan is a Great Power, that's been pretty heavily involved in a lot of stuff.

And to Middle Snu, in order to join, you TG me, preferably with a couple of links to previous RP's that you've been in. I handle membership.

An Interesting Idea for Algerian/Morocan Hero Units:Goumiere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goumiere)

An Interesting Idea for Algerian/Morocan Hero Units:Goumiere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goumiere)

showed up in the 2nd Great War as Moroccan Alpine corps

I just learned about one incredible hero in our RL WW-2.

One marine, Olin Gray- his 6 man squad was taken out by 18 Japanese soldiers and its several machine gun nests during the American attempt to take over New Georgia from Japan during WW 2. Olin was the only marine left standing after his companions were mowed down, and he managed to become a Rambo of sorts, using his squad's 30 caliber machine gun and fought all afternoon aganist the multiple Japanese gun nests. He was able to take out 2 machine guns without getting killed.

Thats 1 man aganist 18 plus multiple machine gun nests. That's incredible odds, eh? What's more- Olin Gray is still alive today in RL. He's 80 or so years old.

If thats not a hero, I don't know what is!

I just learned about one incredible hero in our RL WW-2.

One marine, Olin Gray- his 6 man squad was taken out by 18 Japanese soldiers and its several machine gun nests during the American attempt to take over New Georgia from Japan during WW 2. Olin was the only marine left standing after his companions were mowed down, and he managed to become a Rambo of sorts, using his squad's 30 caliber machine gun and fought all afternoon aganist the multiple Japanese gun nests. He was able to take out 2 machine guns without getting killed.

Thats 1 man aganist 18 plus multiple machine gun nests. That's incredible odds, eh? What's more- Olin Gray is still alive today in RL. He's 80 or so years old.

If thats not a hero, I don't know what is!

Read all the entries for the Victoria Cross, I believe their was a British man in RL WWII who took out two Panzers using a mortar system designed for two man use, he had it slung over his shoulder aswell, now thats heroics

General Voroshilov attacked a contingent of Panzers at Leningrad with a pistol. He won, too.

I pwn you all.

Oh yeah? Well Ravenstein got captured, transported by ship to Canada, ship got sunk by Luftwaffe, Ravenstein made it to the shores of north Afrika and was captured again, this time making it to Canada....oh wait that is just lucky.

Rudel probably has one of the biggest records ever for killing tanks lol, so no one can compare to him when it comes to living through 5 years of the war, having kills while having no leg, having you leg stolen by an american guy while you slept, sinking a battleship, and cruiser, destroying 500 tanks, and killing a IS-2 or 3 with one shot from a 37mm gun(okay the Stuka-G's 37mm gun was uber but so wat)

There was a British field medic (Noel Godfrey Chavesse) who attended to the wounded all day under heavy fire, frequently in view of the enemy, and during the night he continued searching for wounded in front of the enemy's lines. Next day, under heavy shell fire he and a stretcher bearer carried an urgent case 500 yards to safety, being wounded himself during the journey. The same night, with 20 volunteers, he rescued three wounded men from a shell-hole 36 yards from enemy trenches, buried the bodies of two officers and collected many identity discs. Altogether he saved the lives of some 20 wounded men.

He then won a second Victoria Cross during the period July 31 to August 2, 1917, at Wieltje, Belgium. Captain Chavasse, although severely wounded early in the action while carrying a wounded officer to the dressing station, refused to leave his post and in addition to his normal duties, went out repeatedly under heavy fire to attend the wounded. During this time, although practically without food, worn with fatigue and faint from his wound, he helped to carry in badly wounded men, being instrumental in saving many who would otherwise have died under the bad weather conditions. Captain Chavasse died of his wounds in Brandhoek.

Much more important than any of this nonsense, Fluffywuffy has taken over Japan.

I look forward to this.

Yes, so do I. All I can say is, "MWUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!"

*surrenders*

Now you can see why I thought it would be nice to have these things happen in E20, gives it flavor but definitely don't over-do it, ya know?

Someone got it in their heads to copycat our E20.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10028638

Guess we are *that* popular to have people imitate us and copycat us. Sorta like Automagfreek in mainstream NS. ;)

Someone got it in their heads to copycat our E20.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10028638

Guess we are *that* popular to have people imitate us and copycat us. Sorta like Automagfreek in mainstream NS. ;)


Who's Automagfreek?:confused:

Who's Automagfreek?:confused:

Long story. ;)

Who's Automagfreek?:confused:
Wow no offense but you need to be slapped. lol

As Administrative Moderator, I've actually already offered Japan to Fluffywuffy. Artitsa would probably be my second choice for taking it over.

I didn't see this before, but thanks for the compliment.

And AMF is prolly one of the most, if not THE MOST well known RPers in NS and II. I could take him. And I've wanted to for a long time, but we're buds ooc.. sometimes when you've been playing this game for this long... you know when an RP can ruin respect for another player.

Wow no offense but you need to be slapped. lol

Hey, I don't pay attention to the mainstream. I've got one or two going. I've got one with a revolt in my country, E20, and I'm currently involved in another RP. That's it.

Hey, I don't pay attention to the mainstream. I've got one or two going. I've got one with a revolt in my country, E20, and I'm currently involved in another RP. That's it.
Ok I understand. Automagfreek is huge. He's a NS legend in a way. Anywho the AA (Asian Alliance) is up.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457165

Argentina is about to become a fascist state, as a rightest backlash is inevitable in Latin America at some point. I am currently reading up on my Latin American history.

The South Americans need something to do soon after all.

I have no idea who Automagfreek is, either.

And probably don't care . . .

Vas, you have a TG. Send a reply by way of Jensai.

do we have a European Union? Or somthing like a European Union?

It's called the Warsaw Pact, but membership is limited. Muhahah!

Parthini']It's called the Warsaw Pact, but membership is limited. Muhahah!

¬_¬

Argentina is about to become a fascist state, as a rightest backlash is inevitable in Latin America at some point. I am currently reading up on my Latin American history.

The South Americans need something to do soon after all.

Damn, they're going to beat me to it...

Neato- Denmark's My Nation although I'm still slightly confused about this.

Neato- Denmark's My Nation although I'm still slightly confused about this.

What? This is a closed RP, as far as I know you're not involved. If you wish to become involved you must first TG Hrstrovokia with an application citing two previous RPs in which you have been involved.

Who's Automagfreek?:confused:

In my opinion, a nation wife an annoying name. His name is so not suited to the whole evil empire thing. My nation's name, however, fits the bill perfectly.

Enemy leader: "Fluffywuffy? What are they going to send, the teddy bear army? I say we declare war."

5 days later at the enemy leader's base. . . .

"Shit, oh shit! They've massacred half our population, nuked the capital, and raped my wife! Man, those death squads are efficient. I say we surrender to spare the other half of our nation."

Neato- Denmark's My Nation although I'm still slightly confused about this.

dude, your looking for the E20 RP rip-off, thats two pages that-a-way >>>>

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sorry about that I was bored.

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sorry about that I was bored.

Please DO NOT post things along those lines

Please DO NOT post things along those lines
Sorry. My cousin got on my name for I forgot to log off. He did that.

I know it's a decades away, but I was wondering when the mods think we could attempt a "unified currency" type of thing, such as the Euro. Now, I don't know if we'd actually have a Euro, but maybe a currency for all members of the Commonwealth or something (such as the "Commonwealth Pound").

Just a thought.

I know it's a decades away, but I was wondering when the mods think we could attempt a "unified currency" type of thing, such as the Euro. Now, I don't know if we'd actually have a Euro, but maybe a currency for all members of the Commonwealth or something (such as the "Commonwealth Pound").

Just a thought.

that is a player decision, so I for one will see what happens. If the Commonwealth or Union decided to create a common currency, its ok with me (as a mod).

that is a player decision, so I for one will see what happens. If the Commonwealth or Union decided to create a common currency, its ok with me (as a mod).

'Tis a pity I'm not in any position of power then :p.

However, just gimme a few decades...

Also, check yer TG's.

I didn't see this before, but thanks for the compliment.

And AMF is prolly one of the most, if not THE MOST well known RPers in NS and II. I could take him. And I've wanted to for a long time, but we're buds ooc.. sometimes when you've been playing this game for this long... you know when an RP can ruin respect for another player.


Hahaha....I don't think you could. ;)

And you should know by now I don't take RP's personally.

Hahaha....I don't think you could. ;)

And you should know by now I don't take RP's personally.

*bows down in awe*

Hahaha....I don't think you could. ;)

And you should know by now I don't take RP's personally.

Why I oughta ;)

I would pwn you. But I digress. How about a currency for South America... oh wait... that would drop my value..

But a low currency is a good thing sometimes... DECISIONS!

Well I don't think your friend Brazil would want to have a South American currency.

Haha, true.

I know it's a decades away, but I was wondering when the mods think we could attempt a "unified currency" type of thing, such as the Euro. Now, I don't know if we'd actually have a Euro, but maybe a currency for all members of the Commonwealth or something (such as the "Commonwealth Pound").

Just a thought.

At this period in time I believ most (if not all) Commonwealth currency is tied to the strength of the British Pound. For example the South African Pound wil lbe the same value, It wasn;y until the 50's and 60's that most nations stopped this and started an independent currency. So in effect all the Commonwealth nations already have a common currency in that it has the same value but it is non-transferable (ie. you can't use a South African Pound in India or whatever). However Britain is willing to entertain the idea of a signle Commonwealt Currency but wishes to canvass opinions from the other countries first before a vote on the matter can be held.

A common currency sounds fine to the Australians.

At this period in time I believ most (if not all) Commonwealth currency is tied to the strength of the British Pound. For example the South African Pound wil lbe the same value, It wasn;y until the 50's and 60's that most nations stopped this and started an independent currency. So in effect all the Commonwealth nations already have a common currency in that it has the same value but it is non-transferable (ie. you can't use a South African Pound in India or whatever). However Britain is willing to entertain the idea of a signle Commonwealt Currency but wishes to canvass opinions from the other countries first before a vote on the matter can be held.

The Rupee wasn't tied to the Pound, methinks. Especially since if it was, the Pakistani ruppee would be too, but both ruppee's have always bee different.

How about a shared currency in South East Asia. China, Bhutan, India, Bangladesh (if free), Laos, Burma, Thailand, Sri Lanka etc

It may not have been, which is why I said most currencies. I think the reason was that the British allowed tha Indians to retain their old currency in colonial times instead of installing their own. But certainly South Africa and Australia used to have a pound as a currency, but they could have changed over since independence if their players so wished.

Otherwise Britain will prepare for a single currency once the China affair is over and world currency markets stabilise.

This has absouletly, positively, NOTHING to do with India, but I was wondering (seeing how I've studied Poland alot and am at least 50% Polish), will Poland ever rebel and leave the Union? I mean, the Poles are famous for rebelling. Alot. God knows how many times they rebelled during the partitions, and now they're in a country that's ruled by Germans and Russians. I mean, the Poles played a key part in bringing down the Third Reich (they made up a large part of the Russian army that invaded Germany), AND they played a key part in taking down the Soviet Union. Having them live in peace in a country ruled by Germans and Russians doesn't seem very likely.

This has absouletly, positively, NOTHING to do with India, but I was wondering (seeing how I've studied Poland alot and am at least 50% Polish), will Poland ever rebel and leave the Union? I mean, the Poles are famous for rebelling. Alot. God knows how many times they rebelled during the partitions, and now they're in a country that's ruled by Germans and Russians. I mean, the Poles played a key part in bringing down the Third Reich (they made up a large part of the Russian army that invaded Germany), AND they played a key part in taking down the Soviet Union. Having them live in peace in a country ruled by Germans and Russians doesn't seem very likely.

a good point actually

An independent Poland in practice should be a worthwhile idea, but we have to figure that we may need someone to role play Poland in order to rebel against the Soviet-German Megastates...and the player would have to be careful with this in order for Poland to be capable of withstanding any threat from any of her more powerful neighbors and to try to do it with the least possible bloodletting, but knowing Poland's history it could get really ugly very fast if they are not careful...

Hey I just realised 1 RL Minute = 1 E20 Hour.

So at the time of this post in E20 time it its 3:50 A.M. on the 27th of August 1934.

Am I smart or what :D

In which timezone?

GMT (Britain)

Which means Im probably going to have to figure it out for Vietnam... and then I could make clock in html.............

sweet, all the Burgundians are all tucked up in their little beds, oh so cool

you know you have to make a clock for everyone now.

Ahh..... I might be some time..........

But its a cool idea that I would probably bodge up if I did it, so Ill get one of my computer geek classmates to do it for me.:D

*shakes head*

Do any of you guys actually read what VP posts?

The CAPITAL OF THE UNION IS IN WARSAW POLAND. That means the Poles have a lot of say in these things.

From the beginning, the Poles have been supporting of this. The Polish were under the yoke of both Monarchs and by revolting and bringing the two powers together united in Poland, the Poles were able to maintain autonomy. They are their own SSR, with just as much power as the Russian, German, Finnish, Uzbek, Ukranian; they all have equal say. That's the point of this union. That's why the Uzbeks haven't joined the MEU or the Finn shot every Russian they see. If anything, there would be a Southern German revolution and I promise that won't happen.

So basically, there is no chance of Poland revolting anytime soon.

VP, I'm sure, will put some more worthwhile words sometime soon.

We Commies stick together, not like you Kapitalizt Swine-Pigs and Hound-Dogs.

This has absouletly, positively, NOTHING to do with India, but I was wondering (seeing how I've studied Poland alot and am at least 50% Polish), will Poland ever rebel and leave the Union? I mean, the Poles are famous for rebelling. Alot. God knows how many times they rebelled during the partitions, and now they're in a country that's ruled by Germans and Russians. I mean, the Poles played a key part in bringing down the Third Reich (they made up a large part of the Russian army that invaded Germany), AND they played a key part in taking down the Soviet Union. Having them live in peace in a country ruled by Germans and Russians doesn't seem very likely.

I put our capital is there, give them tons of autonomy, social welfare, appoint them to high positions in my government, and this is the thanks I receive?

Poles suck.

I've been assuming they're one of the most fractious republics in the Union, and one of the two hardest to control (the other being Livonia, the Baltic republic - the Turks don't like Warsaw much, either, but they're more-or-less happy to be left alone and collect government subsidies - that's what they were like in RL after the Bolshevik and Stalinist repressions died down). Some things working in my favor, besides what I already mentioned, are the continued popularity of internationalism, which remains a serious force even among Polish Leftists, and the fact that, since WWI didn't sort out the ethnic situation north of Galicia, both Poland and Livonia are the two most ethnically mixed republics (the third most, again, being Turkestan). The huge populations of Jews, Germans, Russians and others in both Poland and Livonia are definitely not in favor of independence.

So I hope that answers some of your questions, and doesn't encourage anyone to see if I've still got it in me to do what I did in Lithuania back in '00.

I was just wondering, how strong would the Communist or Socialist parties would be in the MEU around this time period. I know that Persia had a strong Communist Party and Turkey had one also, and the Arabs to a lesser degree...would I get an opinion from the Mods on this matter?

I was just wondering, how strong would the Communist or Socialist parties would be in the MEU around this time period. I know that Persia had a strong Communist Party and Turkey had one also, and the Arabs to a lesser degree...would I get an opinion from the Mods on this matter?
I think they'd be pretty strong (the Union's supplied a lot of help to the MEU, including organizational assistance), but then again, I'm not exactly objective, am I?

And, Lightning Star, what does it mean to be "at least 50% Polish"? Was one of your parents a lot bigger than than the other? Just wondering.

one parent could have been full blooded and the other a half-breed :P

one parent could have been full blooded and the other a half-breed :P
K Chyortu!

Leave it to the Macedonian not to get the Slovenian's joke at the expense of the Pole.

.....i hope this doesn't mean i have polish blood in me *cuts off arm*

I put our capital is there, give them tons of autonomy, social welfare, appoint them to high positions in my government, and this is the thanks I receive?

Poles suck.

I've been assuming they're one of the most fractious republics in the Union, and one of the two hardest to control (the other being Livonia, the Baltic republic - the Turks don't like Warsaw much, either, but they're more-or-less happy to be left alone and collect government subsidies - that's what they were like in RL after the Bolshevik and Stalinist repressions died down). Some things working in my favor, besides what I already mentioned, are the continued popularity of internationalism, which remains a serious force even among Polish Leftists, and the fact that, since WWI didn't sort out the ethnic situation north of Galicia, both Poland and Livonia are the two most ethnically mixed republics (the third most, again, being Turkestan). The huge populations of Jews, Germans, Russians and others in both Poland and Livonia are definitely not in favor of independence.

So I hope that answers some of your questions, and doesn't encourage anyone to see if I've still got it in me to do what I did in Lithuania back in '00.

:p

Just stating the facts, buddy, just stating the facts...

Also, I should have said that I am 50% descended from Poles. All of my Great-Grandparents shipped out from Poland (save one; she's Syrian), and that's the main ethnicity I'm descended from. We follow alot of Polish customs at Christmas as well, as well as eating Polish food.

Also, I am well-aware that the capital of the Union is in Warsaw. But even though in real-life the Warsaw Pact was made in (drumroll) Poland, what country started the movement that brought it down? Also, I do not see one ethnic Pole on the list of Soviet Union leaders on the Soviet Union page. Not to mention, in THEORY every S.S.R in the actually U.S.S.R was equal, but in PRACTICE everyone knows 'twas the Russians who ran everything. Just like in THEORY every S.S.R. is equal in this Soviet Union, but in PRACTICE pretty much everyone should be able to tell it's the Germans and Russians are running the show (though, I must say, getting 2 nations that hate each other ALMOST as much as they both hate the poles to make one nation still confuses me.)