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my thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9179556#post9179556

Riots in Luxembourg (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429583)

Italy demands Territory from Austria-Hungary

Italy demands Territory from Austria-Hungary

ooc: probably not the right place to post your rediculous (sp?) demands of me.

OOC:

I feel I must bring up a very important issue that must be addressed. We haven't discussed this before, I believe, so I think it'd be best if we resolved this now before things progress further. What do we do about nations who aren't RP'ing in conflicts or such? Take the Boxer Rebellion thing for instance.

So far, it appears that the only active "players" in that is... me (China), Galveston Bay (USA), and Fluffywuffy (Korea). I have yet to see Sarzonia (Britain) or the France player post anything in there, and Scandivians (Russia) only posted one paragraph RP post, "I'm mobilizing 140,000 troops." However, I've seen Sarzonia RP in the Boer War thread, I believe.



This raises an issue. What if players are either too busy, not interested, or too overwhelmed to RP multiple conflicts? By Monday, the year will turn to 1901, then the Monday afer this Monday, it will be 1902 in this Earth. What happens to those nations who aren't participating in conflicts that do require their participation like China's Boxer Rebelllion requires British, French, etc. participation?

Should the player who RP's the "defender" or "victim" RP out the rest of conflict? I'm asking this because if we wait for other players (inactive, not interested, ignorant, or overwhelmed, etc.) to RP something, it might be 1 or 2 "years" too late in this Earth.

We must address this issue ASAP so we won't end up in a big tangled mess where everybody tries to catch up with everybody else in yearly gaps or whatever.

one thing to keep in mind though is that it is a holiday weekend here in the US.... so a lot of people may be traveling or having family over

News Thread W00t. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9183099#post9183099)

If you guys dont mind, I'll RP Australia.

one thing to keep in mind though is that it is a holiday weekend here in the US.... so a lot of people may be traveling or having family over

I'm roughly 500 or so miles from home and I can still post ;)

If you guys dont mind, I'll RP Australia.

sorry, I already got it

i have an opportunity for someone who's willing to take on some more work, i have created the LWU, a (so far) underground organisation looking to apply a left wing policy by any means, i want to have them actually doing things but i can't RP them myself that would get ridiculously, well, crap, so any takers?

I'll take it on if you like. My Ireland resistance shouldn't take up too much of my time and they should be very similar in operation styles with guerrilla warfare and civil disorder etc. It should be quite fun!

Unless anyone else wants to do it of course?

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I guess that the people still in the RP finish it themselves, so long as they do so in a fair and realistic manner.

I know that, for example, Sarzonia and I have already agreed to the outcome of the Boer War, so if he doesn't post before Monday I could just do a long post finishing up 1900 in a third-person sort of way.

Or for more open-ended RPs, the players still in it could ask another player to step in and play as whoever has dropped out.

I'll take it on if you like. My Ireland resistance shouldn't take up too much of my time and they should be very similar in operation styles with guerrilla warfare and civil disorder etc. It should be quite fun!

Unless anyone else wants to do it of course?

if your already RPing guerilla's then you'll be prefectly suited to RP the LWU, they'll use any time avialiable to cause disruption and panic, but remember there aren't that many so no Suicide bombers

Don't worry I wasn't planning on using anything that drastic!

More like widespread civil disorder, a few riots and sniping at police and army personnel with old shotguns. Maybe a raid on an army barracks to "borrow" a few guns etc.

Any further details, like % of population behind me? or the no. of this that may become violent? Any support amongst the armed forces? Outside involvement (I know Belgium support you, any others)?

to my knowledge it's just Belgium for foreign powers, i'm guessing around 85,000 people currently support the LWU a few with political connections no military connections, only about 10,000 are willing to fight for LWU and they are divided across the land, most are in the Steel industry but it also includes Farmers and other working class stiffs, if LWU events are taken in the wrong light then the number of supporters will go down.

Right thanks for the info. I'll try to make it so that any incidents look as if it's an over zealous army being involved etc. and mak ethe most o fthe recent LWU leader assassination! Should hopefully keep the people on my side.

Oh, for LWU posts would you like me to continue on from the riots one or make a new one?

make a new one

Right, i'll post something tomorrow afternoon. Got some homework to do now and am at school tomorrow.

To: Government of Germany
From:The Government of Venezuela
RE: Arms

The Republic of Venezuela would like to purchase 15,000 Mauser 1898's and 200 Machinegunwehr model 1901's. And the tools and equipment to produce and repair the rifles.

Venezuala... when it says Model 1901... it was built in 1901... to my knowledge we're still in 1900.

Venezuala... when it says Model 1901... it was built in 1901... to my knowledge we're still in 1900.

Actually, 1901 starts tomorrow (or in 1 hour from now, as it is 11 PM EST). The year advances at the midnight between Sunday and Monday every week, and I believe Hstrovokia agreed to this proposal.

hes still gonna have to wait till tomarrow... but then again, I doubt it was designed and manufactored by January 1901...

Just sayin is all.

Hey guys made a post on the Luxembourg rebellion. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429900)

OoC: I need a volunteer to RP Bulgarian resistance in a war I have planned against them, and either the same person or somebody else to subsequently RP the Serbian Obrenovic dynasty against a (Romanian-supported)Karadjordjevic coup.
If there are no takers soon within the community, I'll start looking elsewhere, but my schemes should commence before the end of 1901 . . .

Luxembourg Workers United Unofficial Manifesto
1. To depose the Grand Duke William IV
2. To replace him with a democratically elected Prime Minister
3. To unite the working class within Luxembourg

(OOC: more to come, i thought i might aswell post that so LR has a better idea of the motives of the LWU)

OOC: on that note does anyone know if Yafor2 is still in the RP? I am still waiting for Ottoman action in my Macedonian resistance movement. Oh well if he hasn't posted by 1902 i guess it can develope into open rebellion and someone else can step in to take his place etc.

there are MANY people who have stopped RPing, we need a clearly defined rule for getting rid of ghost nations

OOC:

Good question. However, unless we see Sarzonia, Scandavians, etc. actually RP responses for their European nations, we cannot really determine what the Europeans would actually do.

Also, if we went by historical stuff, we cannot do that. Its mainly because history is happening differently here. For instance, right now we have your USA citizens and other foreigner citizens safe inside Peking and Shanghai. There hasn't been "Siege of Peking" yet, which actually happened in 1900. Also, Prince Tuan is acting somewhat differently than he actually did, and he won't be executed as he was in RL history.

So it would be quite difficult to predict what Europeans would actually do under these different cicrumstances. For all we know, the British may have had backed down with either the "hostage-taking" scenario, or if there was never a "Peking Massacre".

Thus, I have a proposal. If Sarzonia, Scandivians, etc. doesn't respond within 2 days, by Tuesday or Wed. then we can RP it out as "Britain and France lose interest in China, and withdraw from China." Then we can focus on the Westerners who are actually involved and the active players.

Fluffywuffy (Korea), Artista (Columbia), you (USA), me (China)...

Also, I think we should try TG'ing the European players and the Japanese player and see if they are still gonna RP and be interested into seeing this to the finish. I really, really, really want to make this work, and make a great RP, instead of having it fizzle out like all those other Earth's.
I believe there are provisions for dealing with lazy and uninvolved Great Powers, which involve booting them out after a warning or two. Since none of them have as yet responded to anything, I might suggest supending time for a couple of days while we determine the status of Britain, Russia, Germany, Austria, the Ottoman Empire, and Japan, and any who don't respond by, say, Wednesday, will have their countries reassigned. Crimson Sith has already requested Russia. I'd take on Germany, Austria, or Britain, if necessary (I know Kordo posted one dismissal of Carops' demands for territory, but there's no associated RP). I've seen France (Beta Centaury) post a few things, as well, but again with no real involvement (I mean, they just let Vietnam go--morally praiseworthy, but . . .).
What kind of Imperialists do we have, here, really?

I agree i'm still waiting for Britain to reply to my Ireland RP I started a while back and a lot of the other great powers are missing as well. I wouldn't mind giving up Ireland to take on another country if things are going too badly. I'm sure it wouldn't affect the world too much.

OOC: I had every intention of posting during the long holiday weekend here in the U.S., but I wasn't able to get my DSL connection back up until today.

It seems like I grossly underestimated how much I was going to have on my plate. If someone else wants to take on being Great Britain, go ahead. Sorry about this, but I don't think I can keep up with all the RPing.

If you're sure you don't want it Sarzonia, then I'll take Great Britain. It's where I live afterall!

Heh. Maybe you can switch :P

On a side note, would it be objectional to play as two nations? Because I really have my eye on Brazil (If they don't make a post soon) but I've already made plans for Persia :(

[OOC: Hi, sorry but I am sick at the moment with Tonsilitis. I wont be available for another day or so, i'm sorry I just feel like crap and I cant do anything. Vas Pokhoronim has access to my nation, and until my return has my permission to use the account to effect any nescecary changes required. Good Luck!]

Parthini']On a side note, would it be objectional to play as two nations? Because I really have my eye on Brazil (If they don't make a post soon) but I've already made plans for Persia :(

I think the idea of RPing as two different nations carries many benefits and risks.

The benefits, obviously, include being able to have those nations whose original RPer went inactive to keep up in the RP [i.e. those of us who are rebelling against Britain, or RPing as one of the colonies, would still be able to play].

The risks, however, include the possibility of puppet-wank and godmodding, because a player with two or even three nations would never have to face any threat alone.

I think a balance can be found, in that someone should be able to take on a new nation, provided that the new one would not constantly support and help the old one, or vice versa. Basically, in cases of a player with two nations, if it wouldn't happen in RL, it shouldn't happen in the RP. Here, cases like [NS]Parthini having both Persia and Brazil would be fine, as Persia and Brazil would hardly ever interact, except in a scenario like WWII. However, nations such as myself [South Africa] or Buben* [Canada] shouldn't be able to get a second nation such as, say, Britain, as there would be too much opportunity for puppet-wank. If we were to take, say, Costa Rica or Thailand, with whom our other nation would likely never interact, that would be fine.

But that's just my opinion, in the end it's up to Hrstrovokia, as it's his idea, or perhaps a vote of all or most of the members.

*Buben, I'm not picking on you, I just needed an example. ;)

If you're sure you don't want it Sarzonia, then I'll take Great Britain. It's where I live afterall!
Parthini's idea of a trade is actually a pretty good one. Sarzonia could still play, without needing to be quite so involved.
Parthini's other idea, though, I don't think will work. A good roleplayer should have no trouble keeping their characters distinct and independent, but there's really no fair and disinterested way to judge who'd be "good" and who wouldn't, and no enforcement mechanism for high-quality.
Sometime tomorrow, I'll log in for my sick friend Hrst and send telegrams to the Great Powers (and a few others) reminding them of the intensive roleplaying requirements that they've taken on, and recommending they step down in favor of others if that seems like too much. In the meantime, if Sharina concurs, I'd like to suspend the flow of time such that 1901 will begin next Monday (the 11th), instead of today.
The commencement caught us all a little by surprise, I think.

Parthini's idea of a trade is actually a pretty good one. Sarzonia could still play, without needing to be quite so involved.
Parthini's other idea, though, I don't think will work. A good roleplayer should have no trouble keeping their characters distinct and independent, but there's really no fair and disinterested way to judge who'd be "good" and who wouldn't, and no enforcement mechanism for high-quality.
Sometime tomorrow, I'll log in for my sick friend Hrst and send telegrams to the Great Powers (and a few others) reminding them of the intensive roleplaying requirements that they've taken on, and recommending they step down in favor of others if that seems like too much. In the meantime, if Sharina concurs, I'd like to suspend the flow of time such that 1901 will begin next Monday (the 11th), instead of today.
The commencement caught us all a little by surprise, I think.

I've been thinking about what has happened in this Earth the past few days, and I think VP made several good points.

I think I'll concur to suspend 1901 until next Monday. That way, we can all sort out who's RP'ing as what, and make any "replacements" as necessary. I do not want to rush ahead, and ruin this Earth in doing so. I want this to be a Earth that we can be proud of, something to rival AMW or Earth I in quality and enjoyment. :D

I support Lesser Ribenia taking on Great Britain in lieu of Sarzonia's voluntary "giving-up" of his role. After all, I do need Britain involved in my Boxer Rebellion thing going on in my China.

(Posted this over in the Boxer Rebellion thread, and I thought I might as well post it here in this thread for everyone, involved or not involved with the Boxer Rebellion thread to read.)

OOC:

I have decided that if there are no posts from any Europeans by Wed. or Thursday, then I will treat that situation as if Britain, France, Russia, etc. turned a blind eye to the Boxer Rebellion, or were "sweet-talked" into either withdrawal or doing nothing by my Prince Tuan character.

Then the actual involved parties, such as the USA, Korea, Columbia, etc. will RP actions, like maybe an invasion, peace talks, diplomatic wrangling, or whatever else. Then maybe by 1901 or 1902, should the European nations get a new active RP'er, they can RP a renewed interest in China or something.

Seems fair, wouldn't it?

So, we're putting 1901 on hold until next Monday? Hmmm, okay then...

I can live with a hold for a week, or at least 1900 lasting a bit longer...

I am concerned about the relative lack of input from the big powers... we need active involvement from Japan, Russia, Germany, and Britian, and to a lesser extent France, Italy and Turkey.. they are the prime movers of events at this time in history after all

If Sarzonia still wants to be involved he can, as Parthini said, switch nations and take on the smaller role of Ireland. It's still a fairly important part and has much less foreign involvements.

Sorry for the double post, "Grand Master Mark" has requested Ireland, I suggested that he post here and confirm it. I have no problems with it as I can't fight as both sides in a rebellion and have more threads to participate in. Particularly the Boxer Rebellion and Boer War ones. Expect a british presence there shortly.

OCC: If you guys wouldnt mind, I'll take Italy off your hands if the former member playing it doesnt bother RPing his role.

I don't really like having this suspended time thing, but at least it gives me time to research my 1901 reforms and industrialization much better. 1900 just saw random education reforms and money allocated to industrialization. 1901 will tell you what I'm hoping will become Korea's "cash crop" industry, so to speak.

But if the Great Powers are needed, I am willining to play as Japan.

Just a quick question, does anyone know if Austria-Hungary was involved in China at this time? I'm looking for an excuse to carve out some territory there.

Kordo There was an Austrian Embassy in Peking and there were 37 Austrians there (The smallest besieged force) so they must have has some involvement in the country but not an overly great amount. They also, undoubtedly, had religious missionaries there as did most of the rest of the powers. Though I am not sure of the exact involvement, there must ahve been some.

Kordo There was an Austrian Embassy in Peking and there were 37 Austrians there (The smallest besieged force) so they must have has some involvement in the country but not an overly great amount. They also, undoubtedly, had religious missionaries there as did most of the rest of the powers. Though I am not sure of the exact involvement, there must ahve been some.

*laughs evilly"

Muahahaha! Now I can take my slice of the Chinese landmas! Muaha- Erm, sorry about that, I just want to get an RP going here.

Just to clarify, in my first post when I said:

37 Austrians

I meant 37 Austrian soldiers, there were more civilians as well. Though still only the smallest Peking contingent.

If you're sure you don't want it Sarzonia, then I'll take Great Britain. It's where I live afterall!

Hey LR since your now GB I'd love to talk to you. (I'm Australia) I have a few things to discuss with you.

Should Brazil not post soon, would the world rather have an active Persia or Brazil? Both are underdevloped lands full of resources. One is post-imperialism, the other is just about to have it happen. Either way, I plan to make some interesting things happen; I'm just not sure which one to take!

Or would everyone rather have me be, say, Germany, to get things on a full roll?

I'd rather see you in the position of a great power, so that we can get the ball fully rolling. Sure, poor nations like Brazil and Persia may be fun to build up and blow the hell out of people, but the Britains and Americas of this earth are more important.

I can live with a hold for a week, or at least 1900 lasting a bit longer...

I am concerned about the relative lack of input from the big powers... we need active involvement from Japan, Russia, Germany, and Britian, and to a lesser extent France, Italy and Turkey.. they are the prime movers of events at this time in history after all
I (which is to say, I) will be issuing first warnings to the players shortly. It appears that Austria, at least, is still in--I'm not sure exactly how he's going to be able to dispatch any significant forces to China, but I wish him luck.
If I don't hear from a player by Thursday, I'll issue a second warning.
On Saturday, any player (of a Great Power) who hasn't responded will be booted out, and their nation will be reassigned. I will post the nations (if any)up for grabs on Friday (assuming I'm still me, that is). Sharina and I will determine how to assign them to those requesting them.
Lesser Ribena, you are confirmed for Great Britain. Sarzonia has Ireland if he (?) wants it.
I'll try to inform all the players that the game has commenced, but it will certainly take at least the better part of the week. I have a life, too, after all--much as I try to avoid it by doing things like this . . . Anyway.

Why not just restart the thread? Wouldn't that be easier?

Why not just restart the thread? Wouldn't that be easier?
Well, yes. By a long shot, in fact. But I'd need the permission of the community as a whole before I could take such a drastic step as a total reshuffle.

Start over?

Wouldn't that be confusing as hell? As I see it, the only active RP's going on are Boxer Rebellion, Boer Wars, and possibly some others. All we have to do is find out who's still active AND interested, then create a "RP Central" where we post all links to ongoing RP's. I suggested this last week.

It should be relatively easy to find out who's still active and interested by Saturday if nobody responds to the "warnings". Then we can take those who are active, and go from there.

Start over?

Wouldn't that be confusing as hell? As I see it, the only active RP's going on are Boxer Rebellion, Boer Wars, and possibly some others. All we have to do is find out who's still active AND interested, then create a "RP Central" where we post all links to ongoing RP's. I suggested this last week.

It should be relatively easy to find out who's still active and interested by Saturday if nobody responds to the "warnings". Then we can take those who are active, and go from there.
Agreed. But I'll have to issue the Telegrams tomorrow--it was a longer day than I was expecting.

And I also think that instead of a <insert nation> news thread, which just leads to fifty different news threads, have one for all news. Maybe have a main post where you have the last article posted from each nation.

Waiting for my thread to be confirmed an my nation.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9179556#post9179556

Waiting for my thread to be confirmed an my nation.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9179556#post9179556
You're confirmed.

Actually, I kinda have a good idea of what to do. Can I be Germany if the player doesn't reply? I remember a book I read and I'm going to steal its idea :cool:

Colombia needs weapons! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9200026#post9200026)

secret (from governments) Open Arms request to Arabia - here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9200457#post9200457)

Kroblexskij, don't even worry about it for now, the current Ottoman player isn't playing as far as i know....at least he hasn't posted anything or replied to what i wrote about a week ago.

We could certainly do with an active Germany right now, they need to be involved in the Boxer rebellion and could be drawn into the Boer war as well if Kruger's diplomacy goes well.

I have now sent Telegrams (finally) to the players for Germany, Russia, Japan, France, and the Ottoman Empire. Great Britain is now being played by Lesser Ribena, and Austria-Hungary has already posted an interest in the Boxer Rebellion, so Kordo's position as player is secure as far as I'm concerned. I will let the community know tomorrow who has responded and who hasn't.
If there's anyone who really needs to be RP'ing right now that I've forgotten, the interested party should Telegram me. In the event that Great Power slots begin opening up, I will be discussing how to assign them with Sharina. My own thought is to have another Poll (or several polls) after all the candidacies are declared.
(After all, I'd be interested in a couple of them myself, but it's a huge conflict of interest for me to be both Acting Chief Moderator as well as the person deciding who gets to play, say, Russia or Germany.)

Hey! Lesser ribena said I could take over as Ireland. I am a n active rper, im Irish and I have an indepth knowledge of Irish History. Could someone explain the whole time thing, is one day one year?

1 week is one year

...and we've put the game on hold for a week, though some people seem to be ignoring that fact.

you have? someone could have told me <_<

Neo-Xvenzia,

Tg Hrstrovokia and ask him to be Ireland. As a bunch of people have bugged out, we're reorganizing who's who.

Hstrovokia, I think it should be possible for you to play / RP as a nation here in this Earth. I envision an easy solution to your dilemma. I can "moderate" any actions involving you, while you can "moderate" any action involving me. That way, we can avoid conflict of interest. Would this idea work?

As for the ongoing RP's. I think they should be allowed to continue, as people are actually actively RP'ing in there. Take my Boxer Rebellion for example. Galveston Bay and Lesser Ribenia are actively RP'ing in there, as well as myself. Thus, if the active RP's were to be allowed to continue, it'd allow us to add more "story" and background to future RP's. The RP's that aren't active, they won't be hurt if they are delayed until next Sunday or Monday.

Should I set up a "RP Central" thread now or wait until this coming Sunday / Monday? Then I can request EVERY active RP'er to post their RP's in there, then I can add all their links into the first post. I think that'll be a great way to keep track of everything and who's doing what. Don't you guys agree?

Hstrovokia, I think it should be possible for you to play / RP as a nation here in this Earth. I envision an easy solution to your dilemma. I can "moderate" any actions involving you, while you can "moderate" any action involving me. That way, we can avoid conflict of interest. Would this idea work?
Ah, but I'm not really Hrstrovokia, am I? My point was that, because of the ambiguity of the present situation, I could say that, as Hrstrovokia, I'm handing Russia (or Germany) over to Vas Pokhoronim. Except that I'm not really Hrstrovokia. Hrst and I (i.e., the much-and-rightly-hated Vas Pokhoronim--appointed Acting Supreme Moderator by dictatorial fiat a couple pages ago, for those of you who you missed it) exchanged passwords long ago to help with big RP's like this, and also to run each other's countries during the occasional sabbatical.

As for the ongoing RP's. I think they should be allowed to continue, as people are actually actively RP'ing in there. Take my Boxer Rebellion for example. Galveston Bay and Lesser Ribenia are actively RP'ing in there, as well as myself. Thus, if the active RP's were to be allowed to continue, it'd allow us to add more "story" and background to future RP's. The RP's that aren't active, they won't be hurt if they are delayed until next Sunday or Monday.
I agree with this in principle . . . Though I'd certainly like to see at least Russian or Japanese involvement before the beginning of 1901. Preferably French and German, as well. My own thought was not so much to "suspend" time (though I think I did phrase it that way) as it was to slow it down for the first year, effectively doubling it, so that one day more-or-less equals one month or so. But if you'd rather move ahead quickly, that's no skin off my schnoz at the moment. The only RP I've made (as Romania) seems to be cancelled in any event, depending on the existence and identity of the German player.

Should I set up a "RP Central" thread now or wait until this coming Sunday / Monday? Then I can request EVERY active RP'er to post their RP's in there, then I can add all their links into the first post. I think that'll be a great way to keep track of everything and who's doing what. Don't you guys agree?
As to this, I'm not certain yet. I think waiting at least til Friday would be best, however, because by then I'll have a better feel for who's really out and who's just not been paying attention.

I will be active, I just started my new job, so I was a little pre-occupied with that, but I'll read through everything and see what needs my meddling.

I want to keep going on the Boxer Rebellion RP, it has a good potential to shape some things in the RP as time develops. Really need Japanese and German involvement though. Both were very active during the Boxer Rebellion and Germany got Tsingtao out of it (and then the Japanese took it from them in World War I). It also sets the stage for the Russo Japanese War, which is Korea is helping any by inviting the Russians in (Japan would NOT be happy about that), which they did in another thread.

Russia by the way spent a lot of the Boxer Rebellion essentially taking over Manchuria.

The US and Great Britian spent most of the period trying to keep the other nations involved from carving China up. Which is one of the big reasons they sent relatively large (for them) expeditionary forces.

Oops... my bad, I had missed the post where Hstrovokia handed over moderation over to Vas Porokim. My apologies.

Galveston Bay, I'm aware that Russia and Japan had major roles to play historically during the Boxer Rebellion. However, this is alternate history, which means for all we know, I could manage to pull China together and successfully annex Japan! Or even Russia for that matter!

At this point in time in the "alternate" Boxer Rebellion, Prince Tuan is posied to become Emperor, and deposing of the Dowager Empress, which didn't happen in RL. In RL, Prince Tuan was executed by 1900 or 1901, forgot which year, and the Dowager Empress stayed in power after Tuan's execution.

The way I see it, we could possibly "skimp over" Japan if there is no actual RP'er interested in Japan by the weekend. Then I can RP something like Prince Tuan "sweet-talking" Japan into neutrality or withdrawal from China. However, if someone comes in and wants to RP Japan in a few weeks or so (in RL), the Japanese player can always try to RP a war or diplomacy, start a China-Japan War or something.

China and Japan go to war in 1905 or 1910, between me and the newcomer Japanese player (if he comes in and wants to fight China or retake Japanese occupied China lands). Then we can RP from there, either a "victory / loss" war or a stalemate. Or we could do politics instead of war. The possibilities are endless.

This is the beauty of alternate history and free-form RP. It can be extremely flexible to fit in newcomers long after the RP has started.

Everybody, please share your thoughts on this, not just Galveston Bay and Vas Porokoim, but anyone else opinions and feedback would be greatly appreciated!

Due to RL issue, i have no choice of resigning of this RP. sorry about that, i just dont have the time to RP. Sorry about that.

Whats goin on? I really think we should totally restart with everyone claiming to organise it also i think it would be good if everyone participating was in the same region just whilst the game is running. What you think?

Germany and Austria-Hungary are confirmed in. France and the Ottoman Empire are now officially open. I will not accept applications for them until it is resolved how to choose the player for them (and for the Boxers I might run the French navy as an NPC in the meantime). The dispositions of Russia and Japan remain unknown as of this time. The Scandinvans has been active recently (i.e., since I telegrammed him but without responding to me), so he's probably lost interest or otherwise incapable of meeting the high RP demands of Russia, while Chrisstan hasn't logged on in over a week. I suspect both slots will become open shortly.
By tomorrow at the latest I'm sure that Sharina and I will have a mechanism in place for determining who takes over open slots.

It also sets the stage for the Russo Japanese War, which is Korea is helping any by inviting the Russians in (Japan would NOT be happy about that), which they did in another thread.

Oh, I'm doing a few other things that Japan wouldn't like, too. I also invited France and Britain (I think) and I have been doing some negotiating with Austria-Hungary (by telegram). My idea is that Korea in its present state, though on a course to modernise fairly quickly (I think), is still quite weak and needs a sort of high-stakes gamble to gain some renown and power.

On another note, does anyone think that I could build a Wankel engine? I am looking to get Korea in the automobile business, and a Wankel engine, being lighter and less complex than a normal piston engine, would make my cars cheaper, quieter, and generally more efficient (size/power ratio). So, what is the earliest that I could research and design a Wankel? Also, whether or not I have a Wankel or not, would any nations have populations willing to purchase a Korean automobile? If so, post here what potential sales (in number of cars) for a cheap auto might be. Thanks.

Ooh, can I be Rhodesia/Zimbabwe?

Galveston Bay, I'm aware that Russia and Japan had major roles to play historically during the Boxer Rebellion. However, this is alternate history, which means for all we know, I could manage to pull China together and successfully annex Japan! Or even Russia for that matter!

Or I could annex Manchuria as Korea (with outside help), depose the Empress, and let Prince Tuan be my Emperor's bitch. "I helped you get to power. Without me you'd be nothing. So don't attack Korea. . ." Of course, it could go the other way around, too.

Just to let you all know, the real Hrstrovokia has returned.
And the power had only just gone to my head, too . . .

And since there's no longer a conflict of interest, I'm formally declaring my candidacy for Russia.
As I've mentioned before, I think the best way to resolve multiple claimants would probably be by poll, as we did with the United States, but I'll accept whatever the Mods rule, of course.

Well the Ottomans weren't all that important anyways. As General Allenby described of the Arab Resistance in Lawrence of Arabia: "It's a side show of a sideshow!"

Plus, you know, I wouldn't mind "taking" Iraq off thier hands :D

Is anyone willing to sell Colombia rifles and MG's? We're looking for items such as Mausers, Lee-Enfields, Mosin-Nagants, etc..

SECRET IC TO COLOMBIA: The British Governement is willing to sell you arms which are surplus to our own requirements. They will be made to high standards and conditions at teh Royal Armaments Factory in Fazarkley. Britsih ammunition for these weapons is widely available the world over or alternatively similarly sized ammunition could adapted for use with them.

What follows is a brief outline of their capabilities:

The Lee-Enfield Rifle (1895 model)- the British army's standard repeating rifle. It fires a .303 caliber cartridge from a ten-round detachable box magazine, had a bolt action, and was 10 round magazine-fed.

Maxim Machine Gun (1885 model) - Standard British machine gun. It used the energy of each bullet's recoil force to eject the spent cartridge and insert the next one. It can fire 500 rounds per minute, equivalent to the firepower of about 100 rifles. Typically requiring a four to six man team to operate it.

Webley-Scott Pistol Mk III (1890) - Standard British pistol issued to officers, MG crews etc. Of a 0.455 inch calibre and having the standard 6 compartment revolving unit, the weapon fired a heavy .455 calibre bullet capable of stopping any charging enemy in his tracks. Though the hefty recoil caused a reduction in aiming effectiveness and required training to use properly.

Cost:
Lee-Enfield Rifle $150
Maxim Machine Gun $1000
Webley-Scott Pistol $80

OOC: unsure of prices as there is little contepmpary information available as they were not usually sold to anyone but the British Army. Any ideas?

On another note, does anyone think that I could build a Wankel engine? I am looking to get Korea in the automobile business, and a Wankel engine, being lighter and less complex than a normal piston engine, would make my cars cheaper, quieter, and generally more efficient (size/power ratio). So, what is the earliest that I could research and design a Wankel? Also, whether or not I have a Wankel or not, would any nations have populations willing to purchase a Korean automobile? If so, post here what potential sales (in number of cars) for a cheap auto might be. Thanks.

Speak of the devil. I was just reading about Quastronic engines and it described a bit about Wankel engines. However, I forgot exactly when Wankels were built, probably around 1940's - 1950's I think. I may be wrong, though.

close but it was the 1960's

SECRET IC TO COLOMBIA: The British Governement is willing to sell you arms which are surplus to our own requirements. They will be made to high standards and conditions at teh Royal Armaments Factory in Fazarkley. Britsih ammunition for these weapons is widely available the world over or alternatively similarly sized ammunition could adapted for use with them.

What follows is a brief outline of their capabilities:

The Lee-Enfield Rifle (1895 model)- the British army's standard repeating rifle. It fires a .303 caliber cartridge from a ten-round detachable box magazine, had a bolt action, and was 10 round magazine-fed.

Maxim Machine Gun (1885 model) - Standard British machine gun. It used the energy of each bullet's recoil force to eject the spent cartridge and insert the next one. It can fire 500 rounds per minute, equivalent to the firepower of about 100 rifles. Typically requiring a four to six man team to operate it.

Webley-Scott Pistol Mk III (1890) - Standard British pistol issued to officers, MG crews etc. Of a 0.455 inch calibre and having the standard 6 compartment revolving unit, the weapon fired a heavy .455 calibre bullet capable of stopping any charging enemy in his tracks. Though the hefty recoil caused a reduction in aiming effectiveness and required training to use properly.

Cost:
Lee-Enfield Rifle $150
Maxim Machine Gun $1000
Webley-Scott Pistol $80

OOC: unsure of prices as there is little contepmpary information available as they were not usually sold to anyone but the British Army. Any ideas?

5000 x Lee-Enfield Bolt Action 1895 ($750,000)
250 x Maxim Machine Gun 1885 ($250,000)
500 x Webley-Scott Pistol 1890 ($40,000)

The Colombian Army requires these weapons plus ammunition. We hope you understand that we cannot pay $1,040,000 all at once. Would it be acceptable to pay in installments of $250,000 to $300,000 a year?

Also, what do you have in the way of transport trucks, artillery, or anything of that sort. We are also in need of two transport vessels. We are willing to exchange food for weapons, in order to procure these arms. China's rebellious boxers are certainly alarming our christian nation. If need be, Colombia would also be happy to assist the mighty empire of Great Britain against the dutch in South Africa.

can we have an updated list of who is who, and who is missing in action at this point?

a couple of things to keep in mind...

Generally the US does not export arms as official policy. It also does not give out economic aid either. All of this started after World War I, and didn't really get moving until World War II. The US is also not formally allied with anyone, although it has an informal long standing arrangement at sea with the British in policing things like piracy, slave trading and periodically going in together to on Colonial expeditions.

However, the US does enforce the Monroe Doctrine, so you people keep your grubby mits out of the Western Hemisphere ( ;) )

It will take something really major to send the US out of its relative Isolationism. Although the annexation of the Philippines, Guam, Hawaii and Puerto Rico and purchase of the American Virgin Islands is a big step (and really just happened a couple of years ago). So for Korea (for example) to ask the US to ally with it is hopeless at this point.

However, Standard Oil is in talks with Rumania to drill and refine oil there, various firms are willing to sell pretty much anything to anybody (weapons too) if the purchaser has cash. Standard Oil and Royal Dutch are also helping the Russians develop their rather huge oil reserves they found in Baku.

as far as the Boxer Rebellion goes, the US is prepared to intervene but is stalling at the moment as it is following the British lead. However, the US is not willing to accept a partition of China by the Great Powers.

However, Standard Oil is in talks with Rumania to drill and refine oil there, various firms are willing to sell pretty much anything to anybody (weapons too) if the purchaser has cash. Standard Oil and Royal Dutch are also helping the Russians develop their rather huge oil reserves they found in Baku.

as far as the Boxer Rebellion goes, the US is prepared to intervene but is stalling at the moment as it is following the British lead. However, the US is not willing to accept a partition of China by the Great Powers.

Just wondering, where is Baku exactly? I'm not that good at Russian geography. Is Baku anywhere close to China, or is it in the middle of Russia? :confused:

Baku is near the Caspian, in southern cental russia, at least i think thats where it is. It has been awhile since i played HoI 2 lol.

can we have an updated list of who is who, and who is missing in action at this point?
I updated the list on the first page this morning, at least for Great Powers (which are underlined). I was thinking that smaller countries can be contacted as they become important, since there are far too many players to be addressing them all individually right now.

Kaduna and Sharina: you're both wrong. The Wankel was patented in 1924 but was first built in '27. The 1940s saw the inventor, Felix Wankel, work for the Nazis in WWII. The '50s saw him work with NSU. The '60s saw Mazda use the Wankel concept, and Mazda still uses Wankels in its RX-8, I think. The Wankel dropped in popularity in the '70s due to higher emissions than normal internal combustion engines and a less efficient use of fuel. Mazda compounded these problems with a thermal reactor to control emissions by lowering fuel efficiency even further.

The Wankel's advantages are that it is simpler to make. Also, it has a better power/weight ratio and will not sieze, making it good for aircraft engines (which it was used for in the '50s). Most of the weight savings, due to the design, are in the crankshaft, crankshaft balance weights, connecting rod, etc. The spinning of the rotor allows the use of very low octane fuel. This also allows it to run on hydrogen.

For those who don't know, a Wankel is essentially a triangle with curved edges placed in a round shape. The edges of the triangle seal against the wall of the round shape. It has all four stages of the Otto cycle. The gas/air mixture enters one "chamber" (created by the triangle sealing against the walls), and as the rotor/triangle spins it moves around in its housing. This compresses the air. Next, it spins to the spark plug which ignites the mixture. Finally, it spins far enough that the exhaust is allowed to escape. Some Wankel engines have two or more rotors and housings, with more than two being more complex and expensive to build.

The main question in this is if I could make a seal that seals the rotor/triangle to the housing/round shape. If so, then I think everything else comes along fairly easily.

If need be, Colombia would also be happy to assist the mighty empire of Great Britain against the dutch in South Africa.

Well, I was going to offer to sell you some Mausers after Britain finishes eating me for breakfast, but now you can forget it. ;)

So are we waiting until next Monday to move up to 1901 and continue for now in 1900, or has the RPing been put on hold completely until then? Sorry, but I'm still confused about it.

Well, I was going to offer to sell you some Mausers after Britain finishes eating me for breakfast, but now you can forget it. ;)

So are we waiting until next Monday to move up to 1901 and continue for now in 1900, or has the RPing been put on hold completely until then? Sorry, but I'm still confused about it.


You realize that the message I sent to GB was SIC, aye? And plus he could still turn me down...

You realize that the message I sent to GB was SIC, aye? And plus he could still turn me down...

Aye, but mine was an OOC message. If I wasn't clear on that, then I apologize.

So are we waiting until next Monday to move up to 1901 and continue for now in 1900, or has the RPing been put on hold completely until then? Sorry, but I'm still confused about it.
Ahem.
My own thought was not so much to "suspend" time (though I think I did phrase it that way) as it was to slow it down for the first year, effectively doubling it, so that one day more-or-less equals one month or so.
I suppose it is kind of buried in a longer post, and as I (as Hrstrovokia at the time) say in the quote, I phrased it confusingly to begin with, so I can't really blame you for still being confused. On the other hand, I'm startlingly vindictive. Anyway, there it is.
As of today, neither Chrisstan (Japan) nor The Scandinvans (Russia) has as yet replied to my warnings. Chrisstan hasn't logged on in over a week, whereas The Scandinvans has logged on at least three times since my Telegram, but seems to be involved in at least five other highly active RP's. I think that both have almost certainly effectively dropped out (of course I'd say that, though, since I want Russia for myself). The list of open Great Powers, therefore, is:
France
Ottoman Empire
Russia
Japan
I don't know exactly what's going on with friend Hrstrovokia at the moment, but hopefully we'll get these sorted out by the weekend.

I call Japan, and if I can't get Japan, France then.

GB to Colombia


We acn confirm teh Colombian Army's order for the following plus ammunition (assume a trade route is set up and it is delivered as you need it):

5000 x Lee-Enfield Bolt Action 1895 ($750,000)
250 x Maxim Machine Gun 1885 ($250,000)
500 x Webley-Scott Pistol 1890 ($40,000)

TOTAL: $1,040,000 You can of course pay in installments, and to show our dedication to world diplomacy we would write off the interest on these and allow you up to five (5) years to pay off the full sum. The weapons have been requisitioned from our warehouses and will be on their way to you shortly.

It appears that your request for information concerning other products was misfiled though this should also be on it's way shortly (OOC: I need to research it, will post tomorrow)

If you require anything else please do not hesitate to conatct us.

2 things, one. LR post the finishing casualties on the LWU riots, Two. you might as well change Spooty to Kaduna on the Front page

Sorry Kaduna I totally forgot about Luxembourg with the transition from Ireland to GB. I'll post there immediately. In the long term it might be better if you find someone with less to do to so it for you...

At the risk of seeming over-eager to take over somebody else's country, it would be good to get some input (or better yet, a ruling) from the Moderators concerning my interest in Russia and Of the council of clan's interest in Japan or France. There are RP's I should be getting involved in either way, so I'd like to know who I am as soon as possible. Neither The Scandinvans nor Chrisstan show any sign of coming back, and both Russia and Japan (and france, for that matter) need players now, if history is going to turn at all plausibly.

Ooh, can I be Rhodesia/Zimbabwe?

*cough*

In my honest opinion, I'd rather have Vas Porokim RP as Russia than Scanadavians, for two reasons. First, VP seems to be much more interested in this RP project, and second, Scanadavians appears to only post 1 line or 1 paragraph RP posts, which is a sharp contrast to the quality of the RP overall (Boxer Rebellion as an example).

As for Council of Clan, and El Caudillo, I support their choices, as long as they remain active and interested in this RP project.

Both of you, please choose one of your choices. Clan, choose either France or Japan. El Caudillo, choose either Rhodesia or Zimbabwe. Then let me know, and I can put in my "vote" or so to speak.

In my honest opinion, I'd rather have Vas Porokim RP as Russia than Scanadavians, for two reasons. First, VP seems to be much more interested in this RP project, and second, Scanadavians appears to only post 1 line or 1 paragraph RP posts, which is a sharp contrast to the quality of the RP overall (Boxer Rebellion as an example).

As for Council of Clan, and El Caudillo, I support their choices, as long as they remain active and interested in this RP project.

Both of you, please choose one of your choices. Clan, choose either France or Japan. El Caudillo, choose either Rhodesia or Zimbabwe. Then let me know, and I can put in my "vote" or so to speak.

Rhodesia.

In my honest opinion, I'd rather have Vas Porokim RP as Russia than Scanadavians, for two reasons. First, VP seems to be much more interested in this RP project, and second, Scanadavians appears to only post 1 line or 1 paragraph RP posts, which is a sharp contrast to the quality of the RP overall (Boxer Rebellion as an example).

As for Council of Clan, and El Caudillo, I support their choices, as long as they remain active and interested in this RP project.

Both of you, please choose one of your choices. Clan, choose either France or Japan. El Caudillo, choose either Rhodesia or Zimbabwe. Then let me know, and I can put in my "vote" or so to speak.
First, thanks and
Yay!
or, rather,
Za Byeru i Vernost!
Second, just to be pedantic, as I so enjoy, Rhodesia actually is Zimbabwe. Rhodesia is the old name for it (though Zimbabwe is, of course, older), as it was named after gay racist imperialist and international scholarship founder, Cecil Rhodes (who is, I believe, actually still alive at this time). The area is part of British East Africa.

sorry guys, Im going to a cottage until next friday... so... sorry! At least I am a minor power!

If anything happens in the Boxer Rebellion, my soldiers are under the command of the United States. Note: They will not follow orders that they percieve to put them into a situation in which they become cannon-fodder... so don't go throwing colombians around, k?

Pardon me, but the problem is that I am have been readily involed with having to read alot (school summer assigments high school and colleage people ten to know what I am talking about there) and also I have been involed in major war threads, but now I am now mostly freed from them so you cannot just assume that I am out, but from now I will post longer threads.

I'm not going to withdraw my candidacy for Russia, but I'll regard the judgment of the Moderators as binding.

I'm sorry about my harsh reaction, but to those who question that I will not at least try to increase the size and quantity of my post I ask that they at least give me a chance as that it all I ask.

You sound busy enough as it is--maybe we can work something out between ourselves? Send me a Telegram.

Alright I'll send you a TG, but still I will be able to manage Russia, but maybe in a sense a nation that massive may need a second hand man.

I would be interested in rping as Ottoman Empire, if that's not taken or etc.

Negotiations have broken down between me and The Scandinvans.
I am still not withdrawing my candidacy, though I will still submit to the judgment of the Moderators.
At the risk of an unseemly display of self-promotion, I'll make my case.
I recognize that The Scandinvans has a prior claim. However, he did nothing little or nothing with it for some time. In the Lithuanian Independence RP, for instance, the other player has actually since been deleted without ever having received a response from Russia. The Scandinvans received a Telegrammed warning, and did not respond in a timely fashion (and he may not have responded at all, for all I know). I believe this qualifies as "derelict" by any reasonable definition. It is unquestionably neglectful. He only posted, finally, after I put up an initial post as Russia, in a blatant attempt to hold his place. And by the tone and content of his post, I am of the opinion that he was also trying to curry favor with Kordo and Fluffywuffy by acceding to Korean demands in a way that Tsar Nikolai II never would have if he had lived a million years.
I have contributed to this project extensively, as an economic moderator, as a general historical advisor, and even as Acting Moderator. I have degrees in Eastern European and Asian history, and understand far better than my rival the situation of Russia, and the world in general, at the beginning of the twentieth century. I believe, quite honestly, that this project ought to be something more than just another Risk-style "Earth" that happens to start at a low-tech level. Finally, I should like the Moderators to consider my writing (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428547&page=4&pp=15&highlight=boxer+rebellion) in comparison with that of my rival (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=428547&page=4&pp=15&highlight=boxer+rebellion).
Who, in your honest opinion, is likely to make a contribution of quality to this project as Russia? If a neglected prior claim is sufficient to answer all my arguments, then, as I say, I will submit to that judgment.
Thank you.

You know what I want on a trip to Italy for two weeks in June. If that thread happened then that is why I did not rp for or the person was on a major time zone difference and the only time I usually stay up late enough to probably rp with them is on the weekend and even then I may be asleep as, my time zone is U.S. central time.

frankly I have lost track of who the moderators are for this...

I know I am one of the ones handling economics, so I guess that kind of makes me one.

Personally, I am looking for depth of knowledge in the RP, especially from the players playing one of the big powers, and especially considering Russia is going to be a superpower in the 20th Century in all likelihood.

I am troubled Scandinvans by your initial post in the Boxer Rebellion thread which was vague, lacked detail and what detail was provided (armed strength) paid no attention to several posts I have made to sources that can give you the full strength of the Russian military in Asia not only in 1900 but also 1904, when the Russo Japanese War broke out. Time difference or not, you could have amended your post. I am in California, and a lot of the players in Nationstates are in Australia, New Zealand or Great Britian, but in other RPs we seem to work together just fine.

Scandivans, if you are going to be really busy, than why not play one of the smaller nations to start with and when one of the big powers drops out, as will inevitably occur, put in a request then? I noticed you have other threads to play in as well, and seem to be posting regularly there. This is not meant as a personal attack, and I will be very dissapointed if viewed that way. You did volunteer to join the thread, knowing you were going to be out of touch for a while. Thats not particularly polite to those of us who were wanting to get started.

If a vote were held, I would have to say I would vote for Vas Pokhoronim because the two posts he made in the Boxer Rebellion thread were historically accurate, logical for the time period and did make use of information that is available on the internet and that I personally know is accurate from outside reading of my own.

Long time no see'um's, anyway it's definetly an issue with most of people that Russia be played by someone who is prepared to give the role the time and effort it really needs, Russia having such a large part to play at this time period. How about a civil war scenario between the Scandinavians and Vas Pokhoronim in Russia or internal struggle between the members of the Romanov dynasty, and the winner would assume total control of that country?

aye, POWER TO THE BOLSHVIKS!

But i was thinking to bring in more people maybe we should just start over, it is becoming to confusing with all this talk, and it seems in the present state nothing can be done or decided. A new thread would bring more new people.

A few things....

After reading Galveston Bay and Vas Porokoim's (VP) posts, I feel I have to support Vas Porokoim's candidacy. I honestly feel that as I play China and I need reasonable RP'ers in my ongoing Boxer Rebellion thing, and having seen both Vas Porokoim's and Scanadavians posts... I support VP for Russia. I believe that he will RP Russia more effectively, and more reasonably as he appears to have a better grasp of 1900's era Russia, along with their politics, leaders, etc.

The Scanadavians may RP as a minor power, such as Norway, Sweden, Denmark, etc. instead of Russia. That way, he can still participate in this Earth, but gives him a break as Russia will require a good amount of RP, with the Boxer Rebellion, the Communist Revolution, WW I + II (if it happens), Cold War (if it happens), and so on. I believe that VP will be up to the task of RP'ing such an important nation, with the multiple RP's Russia will be involved in.

OOC: I believe Colombia was after some artillery for sale:

SECRET IC:

In response to your recent enquiry I am honoured to attach a list of used (though still serviceable) artillery pieces now obsolete in our army as well as a list of the new guns that replaced them:

USED (Old recoiling carriage types)

15 pounder 7 hundred weight Breach Loader £200 each
15 pounder Quick Firer Breach Loader £250 each

NEW (New stable recoiless carriage)

18 pounder Breach Loader for field artillery £1000 each
13 pounder Breach Loader for horse artillery £750 each

We would be pleased to offer you any of the above that you may require and ship them for you to Colombia free of charge in recognition of the services you are providing in China.

My thanks for the community's votes of confidence. While I sympathize (greatly) with IM's suggestion that we start over, I doubt that that will happen, so I will operate under the assumption that it won't.
Moreover, despite Hrstrovokia's suggestion of a Civil War or internal power struggle among the Romanovs, I can say that The Scandinvans and I already considered that in our negotiations, and neither of us find it acceptable. Therefore, since that is out of the question as a solution, and since both Galveston Bay and Sharina are actually highly involved in the Boxer Rebellion RP, I will take their comments as decisive and continue posting as the Russian Empire. This will move events along, which I feel is extremely important at this point because of the general confusion to which IM has rightly referred, which is in my opinion in serious danger of fatally stalling the entire project.
The dispositions of Japan and France remain unconfirmed, but Of the council of clan has applied for Japan first and France second, and I would suggest he be confirmed as Japan quickly, and start posting even before confirmation, if possible. Japan, after all, had the largest contingent of allied troops in the Boxer Rebellion, and that's pretty damn important. Also, Ottoman Khaif has requested the the Ottoman Empire, and again, I'd suggest he go ahead and assume it's his so we can get this thing moving before it's crushed under its own weight.
Again my comrades, my thanks, and my hopes, are with this community.

I would like to drop out of my positioning in Luxembourg, I have lost my heart for RPing it and would instead like to take on a greater role, I realise you are in need of a France, as much as i would hate it I'll offer myself to fill this role, could someone tell me what RP's need France?

i think it's just the Boxer Rebellion at the moment but France holds a lot of territory so the possibilities are huge.

should i wait til someone confirms me, or should i just start RPing?

I have posted a thread of British News (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9232340#post9232340) so that people can keep track of the goings on in the Empire. I have presumed that we have moved to 1901 as normal.

I won't progress any RPs until we have a confirmed Russia, Japan and France to clear things up there.

There are no other French candidates and you have my support but probably best wait for a wider opinion.

You know what currently also we are rping our own national development and also now I will no longer be as busy as I have finished most of my schoolwork and also I have posses a deep understanding of Communist Russia, the Cold War, and also the World Wars.

OOC: Latin American Council to begin tomorrow!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431388

I'm fine with Kaduna as France and Ottoman Khaif as the Ottomans and Council as Japan. As to Russia, I believe this should be a matter that is dealt with by the Moderators (Hrst, etc.) rather than by vote. However, I would not like to see either of them drop out regardless of the final solution. There are plenty of sizeable countries that are out there (Brazil, Italy?, Spain, Mexico was still somewhat powerful). This should be to have fun and maybe learn a little. Not a competition.

Oh yeah, and is anyone making a map? If someone will teach me how to put documents online, I'd be glad to do it!

Parthini']Oh yeah, and is anyone making a map? If someone will teach me how to put documents online, I'd be glad to do it!

1 word Imageshack

3 words Lundi du Figaro (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431409)

a French news thread

Okay. I'll clear up quite a few things so to get things moving.

1. I vote for Vas Porokoim to RP as Russia and take the responibility of Russia. I also request that he continue his RP from where he left off in the Boxer Rebellion, and that Scanadavia's Russia RP post (after VP) is ignored so not to create any confusion.

2. Scanadavians can RP as another nation if he is still interested in this Earth. He could play some other European country like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, or he could RP some other nation elsewhere like Brazil, Australia, etc.

3. I will support Kaduna as the French player, and Council of Clan as the Japanese player, to get things rolling. Ottoman Khaif can have Persia / Turks if he desires, I support that as well. As far as I remember, he is a quite decent RP'er.

4. Here's a list of nations who are actually active and interested as far as I know.

England = Lesser Ribenia
USA = Galveston Bay
China = Sharina
Russia = Vas Porokoim
Japan = Council of Clan
France = Kaduna
Germany / Austria = Kordo
Colombia = Artista
Korea = Fluffywuffy
Persia / Turks = Ottoman Khaif

Am I missing anyone else? Please let me know!

5. I would like to resume the Boxer Rebellion RP this week, as Russia, France, and Japan finally have players to continue their "responses" to my Prince Tuan's diplomacy and such.


I refuse to let this RP project die out, it has too much promise and potential to just let it fizzle out like the other Earth's.

has anyone here got the link to a great free English to French translater site cos i think it'll boost the quality of my RPing if i can post in both French and English.

Am I missing anyone else? Please let me know!

Me. I'm South Africa [which doesn't technically exist yet, but nevermind that].

Me=Persia

Note to all: I only request the Ottoman Empire(Turks in other words) and not Iran aka Persia. Just to make that clear with everyone

Um, I've still got Germany, so Kordo can keep his grubby meathooks off.

Okay, here's the updated list. Thanks for the remainders, guys!


Austria = Kordo
China = Sharina
Colombia = Artista
England = Lesser Ribenia
France = Kaduna
Germany = Aequatio
Japan = Council of Clan
Korea = Fluffywuffy
Persia = Parthini
Russia = Vas Pokhoronim
South Africa = Malkyer
Turkey = Ottoman Khaif
USA = Galveston Bay

Anyone else I've missed so far?

what happened to our glorious leader Hrstrovokia?

I got Glandular Fever, but thought it was just Tonsilitis and didnt go to the Doctor's for a week *claps* anyway, im going to throw my weight behind Vas Pokhoronim for Russia /me grabs boomstick and screams from the mountain top "it is done!"

Right now, E20 is not in a secure place. We are just starting out, and if we dont get things right, everything will fall apart and people will loose interest. I have to do what i think is in the best interest of the community as a whole. Scandivans, i have nothing against you personally, i just feel that perhaps your roleplaying needs time to develop, although that's rich coming from me because all I could ever roleplay were wars and such which were always crap.


Okay, here's the updated list. Thanks for the remainders, guys!


Austria = Kordo
China = Sharina
Colombia = Artista
England = Lesser Ribenia
France = Kaduna
Germany = Aequatio
Japan = Council of Clan
Korea = Fluffywuffy
Persia = Parthini
Russia = Vas Pokhoronim
South Africa = Malkyer
Turkey = Ottoman Khaif
USA = Galveston Bay

Anyone else I've missed so far?


I second this, and also is this the list of players we are down to?

err...no but since i don't have a nation i didn't speak up, us stateless peoples are harder to RP when our owning nation has no player. But now that there is a Turkish nation i would like to inform Ottoman Khaif that Macedonia will be wanting to break away!

Macedonian Nationalism (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9157814#post9157814)

There could be some other players out there that haven't spoken up yet. Also, there could be new interested players down the road, but at least we have a good beginning. At least we got most the major players for 1900 - 1910 era, then later on in 1920, 1950, 1980, and so on there can be more openings for more modernized nations like Israel, some African countries, Oceania island nations, etc.

I will stick with this Earth, as this RP project has so much potential and some great RP'ers. I'll try my best to keep this Earth going, and if any of you guys have any ideas or suggestions, please feel free to share them. After all, feedback always can improve things and make things much greater. :)

I agree, this RP is too good to allow to fizzle out. I know there are some others who are quite active but have not yet replied. For example Australia TGed me the other day and India was quite active a whilw back.

anyone here got the link to a site that'll tell me the extent of the French Colonial empire in 1901? And also of a free English to French translator site?

anyone here got the link to a site that'll tell me the extent of the French Colonial empire in 1901? And also of a free English to French translator site?
Lesser Ribena's List of Goodies (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9136878#post9136878)
and I use Free Translation Online (http://translation2.paralink.com/) for simple things, like words or phrases. It can get easily confused by ambiguous sentences, though, which is inevitable in any computerized translation program. So if you're doing anything serious, I'd recommend supplementing it with a French dictionary and maybe a language textbook. You can find them used pretty cheap.

I haven't abandoned this(Australia). I'm gonna get a final post up today but after that I'm gonna be gone for a week but don't delete me.

Woohoo Lesser Ribena's list of goodies!

Further to that if anyone has any amendments to the list let me know adn i'll change it. Also I can update it if anywhere is taken over or purchased etc. As it should serve as a point of reference when seeing who owns what.

im still here as the awaiting saudi nation

Lesser Ribena's List of Goodies (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9136878#post9136878)

ah Lesser Ribena, is there anything he can't do?

Originally Posted by Sharina
Okay, here's the updated list. Thanks for the remainders, guys!


Austria = Kordo
China = Sharina
Colombia = Artista
England = Lesser Ribenia
France = Kaduna
Germany = Aequatio
Japan = Council of Clan
Korea = Fluffywuffy
Persia = Parthini
Russia = Vas Pokhoronim
South Africa = Malkyer
Turkey = Ottoman Khaif
USA = Galveston Bay

Anyone else I've missed so far?

I'm still in this too. [Argentina]

Woohoo Lesser Ribena's list of goodies!

Further to that if anyone has any amendments to the list let me know adn i'll change it. Also I can update it if anywhere is taken over or purchased etc. As it should serve as a point of reference when seeing who owns what.

I own Papua now.

Of course, I forgot about that!

Thanks Safehaven

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9245238#post9245238

Japanese News Thread

hey guys I just want to know if I have been comfirm to rp as the Ottomans, so I can start rping as them.

just start RPing them anyways, people will tell you not to if they think your wrong

hey guys I just want to know if I have been comfirm to rp as the Ottomans, so I can start rping as them.

As 2nd-in-Command of this Earth, I fully encourage you to start RP'ing as the Ottomans. The more RP activity, the better. You can start RP'ing anytime now, Ottoman Khaif, and I look forward to seeing your Ottomans develop in this Earth. :)

As 2nd-in-Command of this Earth, I fully encourage you to start RP'ing as the Ottomans. The more RP activity, the better. You can start RP'ing anytime now, Ottoman Khaif, and I look forward to seeing your Ottomans develop in this Earth. :)
Alright then, I'll have something up soon..thanks

Okay, here's the updated list. Thanks for the remainders, guys!


Austria = Kordo
China = Sharina
Colombia = Artista
England = Lesser Ribenia
France = Kaduna
Germany = Aequatio
Japan = Council of Clan
Korea = Fluffywuffy
Persia = Parthini
Russia = Vas Pokhoronim
South Africa = Malkyer
Turkey = Ottoman Khaif
USA = Galveston Bay

Anyone else I've missed so far?

Im still in as Belgium. But according to this there is no Spain and if needed i will play as them. Seeing as they are one of the larger and more powerful countries.

Im still in as Belgium. But according to this there is no Spain and if needed i will play as them. Seeing as they are one of the larger and more powerful countries.

Galveston Bay here, I have complete information on the Spanish military in 1900 and can post it for you tomorrow

While The Scandinvans was on vacation, Paternia, the founder of this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429058), seems to have been deleted (no doubt for his obnoxiously right-deviationist sig).
So should I pretend it never happened, or just assume that the uprising can be crushed with impunity, and deport tens of thousands of ethnic Lithuanians to Siberia to work on the railroads and mines as slave labor, while expropriating their property for loyal Great Russians? You can see which way I'm leaning, of course. After all, cossack vs. peasant has only ever had one outcome.

While The Scandinvans was on vacation, Paternia, the founder of this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429058), seems to have been deleted (no doubt for his obnoxiously right-deviationist sig).
So should I pretend it never happened, or just assume that the uprising can be crushed with impunity, and deport tens of thousands of ethnic Lithuanians to Siberia to work on the railroads and mines as slave labor, while expropriating their property for loyal Great Russians? You can see which way I'm leaning, of course. After all, cossack vs. peasant has only ever had one outcome.

I think you should crush it, and that it is the first stirring of the Revolt that historically occurs in 1905 myself

I think you should crush it, and that it is the first stirring of the Revolt that historically occurs in 1905 myself
Hey now, no spoilers.
In any event, crush it I shall (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=429058). I could use some slave labor, anyway.
(Wow, I'm getting more and more evil that time! Absolute power does corrupt absolutely! Cool!)

economics thread updated with some information on what is required to move up a tech level or two

question to France.... umm, is there a historically reasonable excuse for France to suddenly forget revanchism, set aside the whole Alsace Lorraine problem and kiss and make up with Germany and sign a non aggression pact? Its interesting, but is it plausible?

After all, France is a republic at this time, although a flawed one, and the military, church, and upper classes have a lot of say, and they don't like the Germans at all. The Germans don't like the French much either (French armies have a much longer history of pillaging, burning and raping their way through Germany than the Germans have of doing the same of France, especially in 1900).

Can you come up with a back story for this please?

well i wanted to keep this secret from LR but i want to knock Britain off the top spot Empire, the only way i see possible for this to be done is to get assistance from Germany, its all in this brochure, anywho, this will inevitably piss off the already frctured French populus, god i hate the Dreyfus incident

as promised.... information on Spain can be found here

(in the military thread)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9252074&postcount=30

well i wanted to keep this secret from LR but i want to knock Britain off the top spot Empire, the only way i see possible for this to be done is to get assistance from Germany, its all in this brochure, anywho, this will inevitably piss off the already frctured French populus, god i hate the Dreyfus incident

Keeping things like this secret isn't really possible, as after all, the French have a more or less free press at the time, and even the English occasionally read French newspapers.

Keeping things like this secret isn't really possible, as after all, the French have a more or less free press at the time, and even the English occasionally read French newspapers.

yeah, im not exactly broadcasting it to the nation, the people will just have to remain pissed off, i'm hoping that i can find a way round the republic into making Emile a dictator, the people will realise soon enough that this is good move.

as promised.... information on Spain can be found here

(in the military thread)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9252074&postcount=30
Thanks! If you can please change me to Spain that would be great!

Kaduna/Spooty do you have any form of Instant Messenger?

Thanks! If you can please change me to Spain that would be great!

Kaduna/Spooty do you have any form of Instant Messenger?

no, i gave up on IM after i got Viruses, after that i got sooooo many IM horror stories i figured it wasn't worth it :(

oh i wanted to talk to you about moveing that belgium/luxembourg alliance to a spain/france alliance

oh i wanted to talk to you about moveing that belgium/luxembourg alliance to a spain/france alliance

i'm not too sure, what would it entail?

same as before...lowered tariffs and mutual defence and non agression pacts...although im still a monarchy so you may want to wait untill i start/finish a civil war to put in place a more efficient government

yeah im also planning a revolt, communist my friend :)

lol...socialist :)

I like it, the Socialist Republic of France, SRF ooooooh, remember that name, it will be talked about for the next 100 years :D

La República de Gente del Socialista de España
heheheh...the SPRS or Socialist Peoples Republic of Spain!!!!

oki people i need to know two things

1. United, Socialist, Republic all in French
2. Could we RP 2 countries, you know as an option so to extend to the countries we are desperate to RP?

oki people i need to know two things

1. United, Socialist, Republic all in French

République Socialiste Unie

2. Could we RP 2 countries, you know as an option so to extend to the countries we are desperate to RP?

Please elaborate on this, and I'd like to hear other players opinions on this before I make a ruling regarding this. :)

oki people i need to know two things

1. United, Socialist, Republic all in French
2. Could we RP 2 countries, you know as an option so to extend to the countries we are desperate to RP?
Respectively,
1 République Socialiste Unie de la France (RSU, or RSUF)
and
2 No. I don't see any reason why you couldn't look for a friend off-site to enroll in the country you need RP'd, but they'd still have to be confirmed here.

Edit
I was still typing when Sharina posted, so I didn't see (you beat me to it). But the second answer stands--I believe we've already discussed it some where back in the thirties, and came to the conclusion that it wasn't a good idea for anyone to play multiple nations. Something about conflicts of interest being impossible to effectively police.

I agree, lets stick to one nation per player please.

Its a little early for Socialism I think in France. The Paris Commune was crushed very thoroughly by the French Army in 1871, and the Germans even stood aside and let them do it. The French political right, which control the officer corps of the army, and the rural French, who make up about half the conscripts, are not going to stand for another repeat I wouldn't think.

Now I can see an Anarchist killing off important members of the French government (especially if carefully directed to do so) and setting the stage for temporary measures that become permanent. How about seeing something like that? It would be more elegant and historical.

Try to set up a Socialist state in Spain at the turn of the century and you will definitely have a Spanish Civil War a lot earlier, and about as ugly as the one historically.

Please be creative. I can live with Socialist states arising in Europe, but set the stage with reasonable conditions and historically realistic rationales.

Now I can see an Anarchist killing off important members of the French government (especially if carefully directed to do so) and setting the stage for temporary measures that become permanent. How about seeing something like that? It would be more elegant and historical

but wouldn't that leave my country, and my Empire, in complete and total anarchy?

France may want to look here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9256688#post9256688

i already saw it, but before i had seen it had already posted a reply in the Boxer Rebellion

In relation to France and Germany's plans for Britain:

Keeping things like this secret isn't really possible, as after all, the French have a more or less free press at the time, and even the English occasionally read French newspapers.

I am hoping to play it as if the British know that the French are behind the riots in the New Hebrides but are unwillings to accuse them outright for fear of war with a combined France and Germany, especially whilst still at war with the Boers. So there will be a lot of political manoueverings and a few new troop deployments as I play it out.

Economod
but wouldn't that leave my country, and my Empire, in complete and total anarchy?
Actually, what he's saying is that Anarchist (or, for that matter, Rightist) agitation and terrorism would give the government a "valid" excuse to assume dictatorial powers. In the name of homela--er, national security.

Empire of All the Russias
Unrelated, but I started a Russia Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432096). My government can be contacted IC there, and news releases will shortly be going up.

Economod

Actually, what he's saying is that Anarchist (or, for that matter, Rightist) agitation and terrorism would give the government a "valid" excuse to assume dictatorial powers. In the name of homela--er, national security.

excellent, but i'll wait until 1903\4 just so i can get THE bike race established, afterall how can you have France without THE bike race, of course this means i have to wait until 1903 before i can even begin to mention THE bike race, but hey it's worth the wait.

hey, any help to create THE bike race, would be much useful, i may just say, "oh theres a bike race, French guy won" or i might go more in depth than that, what do you think?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9262594#post9262594
The Ottoman Times

Bulgaria!

Hello. I was wondering if I could join as the Republic of the Philippines.. and pretend that the Americans left after we got independence from Spain.

:sniper:

Hello. I was wondering if I could join as the Republic of the Philippines.. and pretend that the Americans left after we got independence from Spain.

:sniper:

Probably Not, there is already a Phillipine Insurrection going on, and ummm read the thread before just asking to join so you can kinda find out what the status of the world is.

Where is it? There's so many pages.

search this thread for Philipines

Kaduna Check your TG's

Interesting....... so... could I still play as the Philippine government as a territory of the United States?

Yes, as well as the Philippean insurection.

Huzzahh.. Thank you.

Galveston Bay here, the US player and current owner of the Philippines...

at the moment the Philippines are unavailable, although I am considering some things and they just might be

but in 1898, the Germans were looking at the Philippines to grab as a colony if the US didn't, and the Japanese looked at them as well.

So an independent Philippines would probably be out of the frying pan and in the fire

Ahh i see. Well.. what are you considering? i'd still like to play them to some degree but I suppose I can just find another country.. hehe.

Ahh i see. Well.. what are you considering? i'd still like to play them to some degree but I suppose I can just find another country.. hehe.

I will probably follow the historical timeline and give the Philippines territorial status once the Insurrection is crushed, followed by a promise of an election and eventual option of independence or permanent association as a US commonwealth by 1946. That promise was historically made early on and a big reason for continued US and Philippines good relations to this day

How will we RP wars against Non player nations?

off topic (slightly) here, but i feel it's pretty good, were one week in and we've already got the good workings for a World War, with the Franko-Deutsch treaty set to put Russia and Britain in an akward position, they have now began to try and secure an aliiance i believe, and with events further East not getting any better i see a long and bloody conflict ahead of us :D

off topic (slightly) here, but i feel it's pretty good, were one week in and we've already got the good workings for a World War, with the Franko-Deutsch treaty set to put Russia and Britain in an awkward position, they have now began to try and secure an aliiance i believe, and with events further East not getting any better i see a long and bloody conflict ahead of us :D
That's your idea of good? It will only be Justice, then, when my tanks are rolling over your bones.

Is it already 1901? Are we switching to 1902 on Monday? I've noticed some drift, mostly as a result of early stalls in the Boxer Rebellion. I've been assuming it's still 1900.

Would it be possible to claim Serbia? I realize it's a few weeks late in the game, but it seems that no one has taken it, and judging from the activity this earth has been seeing, i'd like to get involved, specifically with the plight of the balkan states which interests me to no end.

yay, another slavic balkan nation! you really are at the very beginning of the game timewise, it is 1900 or 1901, so very little has gone on....except about 3-4 conflicts are going on right now.and numerous diplomatic deals.

it's 1901, we started in 1900 three weeks ago, we paused for a week to see who had quit but now were back on in 1901, it'll be 1902 this monday

OOC:

I've been dealing with some RL stuff the last few days, so I haven't been able to post anything new and substantial in the Boxer Rebellion. However, hopefully today or tomorrow, I can post a sequence of events to bring things up to 1901 or 1902, and maybe start something big like a war or foreign withdrawal from China. :)

In the meantime, check out a new war in the East! Afghan War (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9234374#post9234374)

UPDATE:

After I got a TG, and checking up on Generic Empire, I thus lend my full approval for him to participate in E20. From now onwards, in my eyes, Generic Empire is thus given full control of Serbia.

He can start RP'ing as Serbia at anytime. :)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432619

Serbian news and developments thread.

Well, the Boxer Rebellion wasn't as exciting as I hoped it would be.. oh well.. it did show some issues we have.

I say we wrap it up (I posted something that makes it easy to pull off).

Historically, the British and Americans intervened mostly to make sure they had enough troops in place to keep the other Colonial Powers, Russia and Japan from carving up China. As they aren't doing it, then its easy to foresee the US not establishing the Yangtze Patrol for example, and also this means the Germans have not managed to grab Tsingtao.

Korea is getting complex though, and Japan and Austria Hungary / Russia are competing for influence. Even China apparently is trying to get involved.


Frankly though, the US could care less about Korea at the turn of the Century. Japan and Russia have a much more critical interest there.

Okay...

Galveston Bay, I'd like to hear your feedback. What could have been done to make the Boxer Rebellion more exciting? What stuff should have been expanded? What stuff needed to be cut out? Overall, what was the best and worst thing about the RP?

I'd like to hear feedback, not just from you but everybody else. That way, we can actually improve future RP's for E20. :)

The Castillian Times (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432678) Your source for all Spanish news and contact with the government!
OOC: i posted under my other nations name by accident but its really me

I think those that did the best job in the Boxer Rebellion RP were Galveston Bay as America and Sharina as China. The U.S. was played accurately, I think, and you could see in Prince Tuan a sort of cunning political operator. The entire RP could have used an explosive ending, but as RP'd it is likely the only explosive ending could have been a Korea-Japan-China liberation of Manchuria. Maybe it would be the "Russo-Asian War."

I'd say I did an O.K. job at RPing. Not the best, not the worst. But the rest of Asia should be watching some elements of the Korean government. The modest democratic reforms (in the Korean Reforms thread) are to appease the group of people that revolted in the Tonghak Rebellion (which sparked the Sino-Japanese war. These reforms could theoretically spark similar rebellions in China, as the democratic ideas were transferred from Japan to Korea. And if the Chinese see the pass of the reforms as proof the revolts worked, they may try extra hard.) and those people will have a role to play. Prince Gang is also eyeing the throne with envy, and you'll see the effects of his answering the telegram from Japan shortly. Prince Sunjong, though not RP'd by me yet, will have a nice role to play. And the Congress that I had the Koreans elect hasn't done much either.

thanks for the praise Fluffywuffy...

The US will be busy the next few years. Having made an agreement with Colombia (and giving them lots of money), the US will start construction of the Panama Canal beginning in 1904, finally deal effectively with Yellow Fever in 1905 (which ended the first attempt by the French in the 1880s) and finish it in 1914.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal

As the US is busy figuring out what causes Yellow Fever and Malaria between 1900 - 1903, this keeps things on track historically.

The US is also building a fairly large navy very quickly, and can easily build faster should it be required. The US Navy will be based on the possibility of a major war in either the Pacific or Atlantic, and so if the Europeans or Japanese build big fleets, expect the US to build even a bigger one. The Royal Navy is not considered a threat and its size has no effect on American plans (based on historical US plans and actual builds)

The Philippine Insurrection will end in 1902 (which means its over now). The situation in Asia will govern how quickly independence comes. If a major outside power (or Japan) begins to dominate the area or the usual balance of power situation remains, then the US will stay until 1946 (historical).

Meanwhile the US economy grows like mad, with only the Germans having a similar growth rate so the 1914 figures given in the economic thread are going to be valid for the US at least.

USA news can be found here

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432822

Guys, I had to make a new thread for my China, as I lost my old one. Its a time-line of China in this Earth, with summaries of what happened and some extrapolations based off our RP's.

Here's the link...

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432834

Please post feedback here, as I don't want that thread too cluttered.

I lost my old one.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread...223#post9163223

There ya' go mate

Guys, I had to make a new thread for my China, as I lost my old one. Its a time-line of China in this Earth, with summaries of what happened and some extrapolations based off our RP's.

Here's the link...

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432834

Please post feedback here, as I don't want that thread too cluttered.
Guozu would be Tuan's ceremonial name as emperor (i.e., he'd no longer be referred to as Tuan in official documents and communications) - his dynasty's name would be something else (e.g., Guo, Zheng, Cheng, et al.). Just to be a pedant.

Guozu would be Tuan's ceremonial name as emperor (i.e., he'd no longer be referred to as Tuan in official documents and communications) - his dynasty's name would be something else (e.g., Guo, Zheng, Cheng, et al.). Just to be a pedant.

I've been RP'ing diplomatic messages as "From: Emperor Guozu Tuan" and I'm using Tuan's full Imperial name of Guozu Tuan.

I seem to be doing a lousy job of explaining it, though in my defense, the naming of Chinese emperors is confusing, and I myself am not familiar with all the particulars.
Guozu/Kuo-tsu means "Father of the Country," approximately, and makes no sense in Chinese unless it applies only to an individual. It can't be used for a dynasty name. Tuan, as a personal name, would not be used by anyone except parents or trusted uncles. Everyone else would use his imperial name as a gesture of respect.
It's much more complicated than that, even. Especially for Qing emperors, who used Era Names rather than Temple Names. Every Chinese Emperor since the Tang Dynasty, and many previously, had a Temple Name, a Funerary Name (after his death), and most had one or more Era Names, in addition to their Personal (including Family) Name, which was never used.
There are some good articles in Wikipedia for reference.
Temple Name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_name)
Era Name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_era_name)
How to Read the Titles of a Chinese Sovereign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_sovereign)
and, for good measure,
The Qing (Manchu) Dynasty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_Dynasty)
I realize I'm being a pain, and I apologize for that. If you'd rather I butt out, just say so, and I'll butt out (I have no hope, for instance, of persuading France and Germany to act historical--an alliance?! Plain insane . . .). It's only because you seem interested and appear to care about historical accuracy that I keep bugging you.

Hi guys,

Just thought I'd let you know tat i'm going camping for a week beginning this Saturday and so won't be able to get to a computer until the end of 1903. If anything big happens during this time just assume that Britain will act historically and blunder through following the basic protocol of doing nothing unless it benifits the Empire. For example it will encourage trade and economic links with other countries but will not get drawn into any wars unless it stands to gain territory etc.

Also I'll sort out any treaties etc. when I get back on next Sunday and will try to catch up on anything. Sorry about this but I can't avoid it. If in doubt let the mods control my actions and rule fairly.

yes, um i may be away for 2 weeks, though thats still to be formalised if it happens it will be from 1st August to 14th August

I seem to be doing a lousy job of explaining it, though in my defense, the naming of Chinese emperors is confusing, and I myself am not familiar with all the particulars.
Guozu/Kuo-tsu means "Father of the Country," approximately, and makes no sense in Chinese unless it applies only to an individual. It can't be used for a dynasty name. Tuan, as a personal name, would not be used by anyone except parents or trusted uncles. Everyone else would use his imperial name as a gesture of respect.
It's much more complicated than that, even. Especially for Qing emperors, who used Era Names rather than Temple Names. Every Chinese Emperor since the Tang Dynasty, and many previously, had a Temple Name, a Funerary Name (after his death), and most had one or more Era Names, in addition to their Personal (including Family) Name, which was never used.
There are some good articles in Wikipedia for reference.
Temple Name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_name)
Era Name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_era_name)
How to Read the Titles of a Chinese Sovereign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_sovereign)
and, for good measure,
The Qing (Manchu) Dynasty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_Dynasty)
I realize I'm being a pain, and I apologize for that. If you'd rather I butt out, just say so, and I'll butt out (I have no hope, for instance, of persuading France and Germany to act historical--an alliance?! Plain insane . . .). It's only because you seem interested and appear to care about historical accuracy that I keep bugging you.

I appreciate your input and help, VP.

I thought I'd go with the Guozu as a name for Tuan and the new dynasty. I'm thought that name would fit the description of "First Dynasty of Modern China and Adapts to Changes" kind of thing, with Tuan being the first truly "modern" Chinese Emperor, instead of introverted and isolated emperors and dynasties of the past.

Hope I'm making sense here.

Also, I'm drawing some of my Chinese names and such from the novel (and classic video game) "Romance of the Three Kingdoms", the one with Cao-Cao, Liu Bei, Sun family, etc. I noticed that Chinese people names are opposite of ours, their family names are always first, while ours are last...

Chinese names:

Sun Jian
Sun Zhong
Sun Kong

American names (assuming same names / people):

Jian Sun
Zhong Sun
Kong Sun

So you can see what I'm trying to do with Tuan and the Guozu names. Tuan is my leader's "real" name, like our 1st American names (Jake, Randy, Kelly, Jennifer, etc.) then he founded the new dynasty and named it after his new last name of Guozu.

Chinese name:

Emperor Guozu Tuan....

Not sure whether Emperor Guozu or Emperor Tuan would be apporipate for diplomacy, or for informal gatherings, as sometimes people call other people by full names or just Mr. / Mrs. / Ms. in USA and other non-Chinese countries.

American name: (If Tuan was born in USA or England)

Emperor Tuan Guozu

Again, I hope I'm making sense to you guys. :p

I guess I'm still not making sense. "Guozu" isn't his last name. It's his first name. Tuan wouldn't be his name anymore after he became emperor. Naming a dynasty Guozu would be like naming an American family "Steve." Guozu means "Father of the Country." It can only refer to an individual. Not a family.
The links I put in my earlier post will give you a lot more information about naming Chinese emperors.

Guys, Im going to be designing a destroyer/gunboat, a torpedo boat, and a Transport.

Im going to need a nation to build them for me. I'll post the designs in a little while.

speaking of naval development

Was the British design of the Dreadnought partially inspired by the fact that the Japanese proved that medium sized armaments on Battleships wasn't really used when they attacked the russians and therefore wasn't needed. I think it was Royal Navy observers during this war that came to that conclusion. I could be wrong, but wouldn't that mean that since there hasn't been a significant Naval conflict yet, and if the Russo-Jap war doesn't happen, that the dreadnoughts development should be pushed back?

Spanish Revolution of 1902 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432982)

speaking of naval development

Was the British design of the Dreadnought partially inspired by the fact that the Japanese proved that medium sized armaments on Battleships wasn't really used when they attacked the russians and therefore wasn't needed. I think it was Royal Navy observers during this war that came to that conclusion. I could be wrong, but wouldn't that mean that since there hasn't been a significant Naval conflict yet, and if the Russo-Jap war doesn't happen, that the dreadnoughts development should be pushed back?

not at all... US designers came up with the same idea as Jackie Fisher because of their experience during the Spanish American War. The USS Michigan class (first American dreadnoughts) actually were started at the same time as the HMS Dreadnought, but because of less urgency on the American procurement, were completed later.

the Russo Japanese War merely confirmed Jackie Fishers ideas, and he is visionary enough to still push it through

Galveston Bay here, the Economics thread has been updated

see here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9085119&postcount=4

and what it means here
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9114355&postcount=28

Colombia and China saw some immediate improvement, as did Cuba (as the debilitating effects of 10 year of war have been offset some by US investment, the end of the fighting and return to law and order, and some US capital infrastructure improvements made in Cuba).

The US, Great Britian and Germany are now tech level 4.5

Spain saw a serious decline economically when its civil war started, as civil wars are really bad for the economy due to social, political and economic disruption. Depending on the length of the civil war, the economy could rebound quickly, or get a lot worse.

Korea may improve by 1910, depending on what happens next. Other nations, it depends on events.

To Artitsa/Colombia:

Korea has an expanding steel industry for use in a patrol boat. Of course, it may be a year before Korea can produce your boats, but the trade between our two nations will be beneficial.

To the other economods: With GB posting his growth rates, I am going to post my economic ideas right here for deciding who grows and who doesn't. The ideas here are very loose, and any number of extra variables, such as war, can be added into the complex calculus of growth.

Simplifying everything extremely grossly, we have input, (the number of works in the workforce, education levels, incentives, capital invested, etc.) efficiency, (worker productivity) and output (the result of the input and efficiency; the economy).

As stated, input is essentially what you invest in your nation. Getting workers into the workforce, increasing education levels, investing in key industries, etc. all increase input. Quite a few nations have achieved miraculous growth rates due to increases in input, most notably the Soviet Union. Singapore, also increasing its input, saw a massive annual 9% growth rate for 30 years because of increasing input! Once the population is fully educated, most people are working, and invest is lessened, the growth will slow to a trickle. That leads us to the next topic, efficiency.

Efficiency is mainly worker productivity and deals with technology. Replacing hard laborers on a farm with a combine increases efficiency. Likewise, replacing traditional hand manufacturing with assembly lines increases efficiency. It is improvements in this sector that sustain growth once input can no longer be increased or can be increased only by small amounts. This, therefore, is what would drive the growth of the United States or Britain or Germany. It is this, amongst other things, that was the bane of the Soviet economy: the Soviet Union could not match Western efficiency.

Output is the economy. As a complex calculus of efficiency and input, increasing either one will increase economic growth. However, input can only reach a certain point before it will fail to provide the previous spectacular growth, though it can last decades. So for nations that provide education, get people working, invest heavily in industry, provide incentives, and have a good leader, fast growth for a few decades is possible. Under extreme circumstances, such as when a nation has all of the above plus favorable trade agreements, etc., a nation can turn from a backward agrian society into a modern industrial society in a decade. However, that is the extreme case, and more modern examples of growth (such as South Korea) point to a longer growth time.

Hey GB I'm not Belgium anymore I'm Spain now. Just a heads up for the econo thread.

same here, 'cept Spooty is dead and i'm France

Hmm... since I can't seem to get a reply from Hrstrovokia, (it says to telegram him in the first post) I thought I might as well post here that I'm interested in roleplaying as the Czechs. It's a bit late (it's 1902, correct?), but considering the real Czech Republic/Czechoslovakia didn't get independence until 1918, I figure I'm not too late. Would anybody mind?

as far as i know your not too late, but as for Hrstlovakia, he's given up on NS so TGing won't work

What countries remain open to use? If Mexico is available, I will try it...if not then, anyone else would surrifce...

Hmm. Yes, he did retire, and he bequeathed his country to me. It therefore appears that I am the Hrstrovokia, now. I doubt Kieran (his real name, 'cause he's just that Irish) will be coming back to confirm it, because he seems to be through through, but at the least I can modify the list and rules posted at the beginning of this thread and confirm players.
So Geisenfried, consider yourself confirmed as the Czechs.
I'll make modifications to the list--realistically, sometime tomorrow.

Edit -- Just found this, his farewell message (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432909), so I guess he did confirm it.

MUWAHAHahahahahahahahhaaa!!!!!! I have the POWER!!!

No, really. Sharina is now Chief Moderator, with final authority on everything. I will serve as Deputy and Administrative Moderator. I'll have to give up my position as Economic Moderator. Since there are three anyway, I don't think I'll strictly be necessary. And Fluffywuffy, the Economics Thread is specifically for economics-oriented posts, so don't feel like you'd be encroaching on Galveston Bay's turf there. There are reasons why there's more than one Economic Moderator. Post there, instead of the Main Thread.
I hope everything's clear, and no-one's alienated. Speak out, if you are.
Kieran will be missed. Hell, he saved my ass once. But we're all going to retire sooner or later, except for maybe Eutrusca.

Galveston Bay here...

a couple of things about the economics thread

I haven't updated which player is whom yet, and I need to check to see who now a Player country and who isn't. Non player countries or regions will use historical economic ratings, economic ratings for PC countries are indeed modified based on your rules Fluffywuffy (god I hated graduate level economics but I completed it successfully).

Remember though, it takes time to build things. We are only in 1902. So for example, even though Korea is getting some economic help from Europe, it still takes a couple of years to build a steel mill, the transportation links to it, train the work force, develop markets for its products etc...and then that industry will start stimulating other industries and synergy occurs.

which is why no one really saw any big changes. A few modifications to tech level because of some really big inventions that hit about this time are given to the British, Americans and Germans, and some adjustments for some other based on further research.

Heres a thread on Irish call for Home Rule
Irish call (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433116)

I updated the Main Post to reflect who's playing who, and who doesn't seem to be playing. Any players who are interested in an unclaimed country can telegram me and I will get back to them. If anyone is interested in a claimed country on probationary status (indicated by a "?"), telegram them first, and have them telegram me.

I added a couple things. I'll accept feedback on them. Just because I thought they were good ideas doesn't mean they necessarily were, after all.

The first is a short discussion of technology and modernization in general. I don't think people should be straying as far from history as many seem to want, for the reasons I enumerate there.

I also added a "Realism Rule." I'd like people to pay special attention to that.

As I say, I'll gladly accept feedback, and I'll modify these rulings if they seem too harsh or dictatorial. The potential for major differences with actual history is still there, but please make it plausible, folks.

I agree with what Hstrovokia / Vas Porokoim said.

I honestly don't want people to RP stuff like "USA becomes a Nazi State overnight" or "Brazil annexes whole of South America in just 10 years". What I prefer is believable alternate history or alternate fiction.

Examples of good believable Alternate History:

1. Harry Truman won presidential election in RL. You can RP candidate Dewey (Truman's opponent) winning in AH (Alternate History).

2. Nazi Germany lost D-Day in RL. You can RP Nazi Germany having more tanks at D-Day beaches, ensuing German victory and more severe losses for the Allies in AH.

3. Bolshevik revolution marked the rise of Communism in Russia and the world in RL. You can RP the Bolshevik revolution failing to spread communism, meaning no Cold War, Stalin's Purges, Nazi VS Communism, etc. in AH.

4. My Boxer Rebellion RP. It's a good example of believable AH, as I've RP'ed a Imperial family member, Prince Tuan, rising to Emperor-hood and more intricate diplomacy. In RL, Tuan was executed in 1901 (I believe), and the Manchu Dynasty remained in power.

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There are plenty of other examples, but I think you get the idea. Now onwards to examples of bad AH RP'ing.

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1. USA becoming communist overnight in 1940 - 1950, or during Cold War of its own accord (by themselves, instead of being invaded / annexed by USSR). Exceptions may be made, such as the John McCarthy issue, or a charimastic leader.

2. Cuba becoming a Great Power by 1915 - 1920, with equal economy and military as USA or Britain.

3. Researching nuclear power and having nuclear bombs by 1920 - 1925 when actual nuclear physics and research didn't happen until early 1940's (even the surface stuff).

4. Ditto for sending a Space Shuttle to the Moon by 1940 - 1950.

5. Obvious god-modding, like Mexico invading Texas with 10 million soldiers during either WW I or WW II.

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That aside, I've been thinking about the timescale again. Here's my thoughts from the last few days...

1 RL week = 1 year in E20 (Our current timescale).

Now, if we continue to use this timescale, we'll arrive at MT times (2000 - 2020) in 2 RL years, in the summer of 2007. 52 weeks per year, times 2 = 104. That means 104 RL weeks = 104 E20 years.

I honestly doubt many of us would be that determined to have that kind of patience, waiting 2 full RL years to get to MT times in this Earth. Granted, there may be a few hardcore players who wouldn't mind that, but think of the majority of players in here. They may not want to wait that long to RP a MT setting, or a possible Post-MT setting in this Earth.

Towards this end, I've been thinking of revising the timescale to something much more manageable, while keeping this Earth epic.

My proposed new timeline:

1 RL week = 2 E20 years.

In other words... this week is 1902. By the original timescale, next week will be 1903, but with my new timescale, it would be 1904 next week instead.

That way, we can arrive at MT era next summer, instead of waiting 2 years. This still gives us ample time to RP development, wars, diplomacy, economy, etc. This also guanatrees that more people will stay with E20, instead of losing patience and quitting after only a few months.

Please share your thoughts on this proposed new timescale. :)

About the list: I remember Malkyer said he was going away for a while and to let LR finish out the war. I do believe he is coming back. (I read all the news :p ) And the guy who is Arabia made a rather nasty post about me falling like goats :rolleyes: So they're both still in.

I think what Hrst/VP is doing is a good idea. If people are going to be doing wierd things like a Pro-China revolution in Britian, then they really don't have a real grasp on this kind of thing. I can safely say this is my first RP on NationStates (I did some in my region and a few little ones that peetered out) but I think I am doing a good job. Persia has been having minor revolts and riots for the past 30 years, and there was a constitutional revolution in 1905, so really, I'm not straying far from history.

Also, I would like to explain my sending absurd amounts of infantry into Afghanistan. The War Minister, who is in charge of the army, is in league with the rebels. So he is getting all of the soldiers out of Persia so that the rebels will have a very easy time and when the army returns, they no longer control things.

Anyways, I don't know what to think about a new timescale. I kind of like the one we're on now (and have a feeling I would stick it out to the end :p ) but I don't really care either way.

Another thing: are we just assuming that countries without players just follow historical routes? (ex. Brazil and Bolivia continue to go through dictators)

Lastly, I think everyone who is active should send a few TGs to their friends or regionmates and try to get them to join so we can get the ranks up a bit.

Timescale: I dont care i think id stick it through to the end so either way is good to me

Realism: Just a question but the only things i did that tweaked the history were the rise of socialism(facism and anarchism were rampant in spain) and the passing of a law by the king(he was an uber conservative king) that banned the extremeist parties...it led to revolts and the current civil war...is that ok?

Recruitment: I know a friend who would be glad to rp a state such as lichtenstein or monaco and make you want them as an ally(not ebcause of military because of economyand trade) but hes currently in jolly ole england and wont be back in the US for another 2 weeks so hed be kinda late

IMO, it's never too late. I think they would just pick up the reins where the nation was IRL and go from there.

Timescale: I dont care i think id stick it through to the end so either way is good to me

Realism: Just a question but the only things i did that tweaked the history were the rise of socialism(facism and anarchism were rampant in spain) and the passing of a law by the king(he was an uber conservative king) that banned the extremeist parties...it led to revolts and the current civil war...is that ok?

Recruitment: I know a friend who would be glad to rp a state such as lichtenstein or monaco and make you want them as an ally(not ebcause of military because of economyand trade) but hes currently in jolly ole england and wont be back in the US for another 2 weeks so hed be kinda late

I believe that your plan for Spain does sound realistic / reasonable. Banning parties and such is a good way to start revolutions or coups, like the Bolsheviks, Nazi Party, etc. throughout history.

I'd like to see where you go with this.

i dont know where im going yet i just know that this is to get a progressive in power to get spain industrialized so as nto to wait until franco...thats about the extent...oh and i hope no one minds if i exploit neutrality in wars and produce for both sides? :D

i was wondering if my Changes have been way too far out? But hey ima paranoid