NationStates Jolt Archive

Good news, guys.

I just got a TG from Warta Endor and he told me he's coming back to NS RP'ing shortly. So have no fear- Warta Endor (WE for short) will be back in Earth V before too long.

It isn't a godmod, because Guam has a large airforce base.

Though, I don't have any aircraft yet.

Yes it does, but do you have enough Industrial Capacity and People to maintain an Air-Force of that size? I was also pointing at the addition of the B-52 Stratofortress. 200 of them is quite a large number for a very large plance. To place them on an island smaller then the city of Chicago.

I just want to formally apologize to Constantinalia for the Pope incident.

I just want to formally apologize to Constantinalia for the Pope incident.

lol, same here I suppose.

When I started the RP, I had no idea you wanted the Vatican.

Odd timing, I must say.

No problem. Just an un-read post causes disasters sometimes.

Oh, I don't own any bombers anymore. Just Russian fighters

Yes, but can you maintain them? For every one plane you have you usually have 25 to 30 guys working just to maintain the aircraft. Caclulate in Repair Costs it grows to quite a large sum.

Yes, but can you maintain them? For every one plane you have you usually have 25 to 30 guys working just to maintain the aircraft. Caclulate in Repair Costs it grows to quite a large sum.

Aye, econemy may be a bit of a problem.

wow, Belarus is so boring. Nothing is happening!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12067262#post12067262 <-----Conversion of A Government

Well I am not satisfied with my current regime, SO, i've decided to do this.

Yes, but can you maintain them? For every one plane you have you usually have 25 to 30 guys working just to maintain the aircraft. Caclulate in Repair Costs it grows to quite a large sum.

Don't worry about this. I have a plan.

Is Micronesia now open for Invasion? I need the Population.

wow, Belarus is so boring. Nothing is happening!

Get yourself involved.

Like...

hmmm...

Involve yourself in the Ukraine's affairs, as it looks like he is about to have a civil war.

Throw around your weight. Pick sides, or sell arms. Create an incident. Do what you wish.

Don't worry about this. I have a plan.

Is Micronesia now open for Invasion? I need the Population.
How are you going to invade them if you don't have a navy? Or a Military Budget for that matter?

OR, you could just transfer its control to me.

No no. All claims have been made, you have to take them via conquest.
That is unless TG6R allows it.

Well I am not having a Civil War actually, I am going out on a limb and we are going to pretend that there is one good man on earth. And he is Alexi. lol

Ok nevermind, There is going to be a civil war lol. Feel free to give ideas as to factions fighting to take over.

Oh dear, thats not good. It's kinda hard to help you right now, considering I am already sending troops into the UARCA because the nuclear attack. My Military isn't made of rubber, I can't stretch it that much.

Right now I am thinking a civil war between Communist Party, some sort of Fascist faction and a democratic faction.

Right now I am thinking a civil war between Communist Party, some sort of Fascist faction and a democratic faction.

You can align them with certain outside-states. For instance, my nation is a leftist facist state, if that makes any sence. We would, for instance, support either the Communist or the Facist regieme, while a nation like the UCR or UCRA would support the Democratic faction. hell, TG6R could get involved, and support the Facist state. Sorta like the Spainish civil-war.

It could be interesting, and a way to get everyone involved.

The UCR would support them with money. Troops would be limited in teh wake of the Nuclear attack. If the war is still going on and the nuclear attack is basically over, expect some more support.

Well everyone can feel free to give their support and get involved. I am just writing up the responses from the factions I have decided thus far. There can be more factions if need be. Just a FYI, I have no problem being a puppet state for someone else. So adding your support just might result in having a puppet.

The UCR would support them with money. Troops would be limited in teh wake of the Nuclear attack. If the war is still going on and the nuclear attack is basically over, expect some more support.

Yes. Weapons, money, troops. In the example of the Spainish Civil War, Russia donated (Sold) arms to The Republic of Spain, US, English, and French volenteers fought for the Republic of Spain, and Socalist & Democratic organizations raised money for it. While German and Italy supported Facist spain with arms and troops.

Ok the first three factions have been added.

EDIT: Feel free to pledge support at any time....

It would appear Constantinalia doesn't have control of Guam....

What now?

Well I now have to eat my words. I said if one more nation dropped out of Earth V I would create a thread listing all nations of Earth V both past and present. Well, that time has come and pasted with the departure of the C.S.A.

If, you don't see me posting much in the next few days you know why now. :headbang:

Bright side, everyone will know just how scary Earth V is. :D

[Enter Sarcasm]Hey, TGSR maybe you should just control all land that is Earth V. You seem to be able to maintain a peaceful and stable world. I think that's 13 nations now that I've seen rise and fall. I know for sure you older guys have seen more. Oh, well more room for me. I did always want to conquer the world. :D[End Sarcasm]

OCC: Looks like I missed a good party. :(

Vineyard trying to kill the pope. Vineyard, even I didn't think you would go that low. Does your nation have any respect for anyone? Man, I'm really starting to feel sorry for your people. You make the s look like Peace loving hippies at times and that's saying something in of it self. Even the s didn't try to kill the Pope.

OOC: LOL

I think you honestly tried to insult me there, but I don't mind.

Anyhow, from a purely argumentative point of view, how is his holiness so... well... holy? Are popes from crimes, and incapable of sin? What exempts a person from commiting crimes? Did you know that more people have died in the name of religion than in any other case what-so-ever. What purpose does religion serve except to make good people do bad things?

So tell me then. Besides motivating people to commit horrible crimes (As whatever diety he/she worships absolves such a person from sins committed on their 'behalf'), Unifying groups of people against others, and creating stereotypes that justify violent actions. To what extent does religion serve the greater good?

Well, there is the aspect of 'hope'. There is the aspect of charity involved as well, but along with it comes stereotypes and superiority-complexes.

That, and the Empire wanted to secure the vatican for the up-comming war. we cannot risk a rogue state in our midst to serve as a safe-haven for spies and agents of forign nations. But, fortunately we have reached an agreement with the now-present regieme.


On anoter and wholy unrelated note, UE. You have yet to post any military stats what-so-ever in Gabon and your new countries. I will give you 2 more days, then I'm invading regardless of where you are 'at'. SInce you will probably do nothing during that time just to spite me, I am going to ask TG6R to intervene in this case. 2 weeks + and you STILL havn't submitted military stats! You have had too much time to complete those simple tasks. Stop delaying and just own up to the inevitable.

We will see what TG6R has to say about it.

It would appear Constantinalia doesn't have control of Guam....

What now?

Huh?

OOC: LOL

I think you honestly tried to insult me there, but I don't mind.

Anyhow, from a purely argumentative point of view, how is his holiness so... well... holy? Are popes from crimes, and incapable of sin? What exempts a person from commiting crimes? Did you know that more people have died in the name of religion than in any other case what-so-ever. What purpose does religion serve except to make good people do bad things?

So tell me then. Besides motivating people to commit horrible crimes (As whatever diety he/she worships absolves such a person from sins committed on their 'behalf'), Unifying groups of people against others, and creating stereotypes that justify violent actions. To what extent does religion serve the greater good?

Well, there is the aspect of 'hope'. There is the aspect of charity involved as well, but along with it comes stereotypes and superiority-complexes.

That, and the Empire wanted to secure the vatican for the up-comming war. we cannot risk a rogue state in our midst to serve as a safe-haven for spies and agents of forign nations. But, fortunately we have reached an agreement with the now-present regieme.


On anoter and wholy unrelated note, UE. You have yet to post any military stats what-so-ever in Gabon and your new countries. I will give you 2 more days, then I'm invading regardless of where you are 'at'. SInce you will probably do nothing during that time just to spite me, I am going to ask TG6R to intervene in this case. 2 weeks + and you STILL havn't submitted military stats! You have had too much time to complete those simple tasks. Stop delaying and just own up to the inevitable.

We will see what TG6R has to say about it.

I personally as a relgious individual and a Catholic, take offense to your rant about religion, that is a biased view and you are selectively picking out pieces of history to make your point. No where do you give examples of the MANY good things that the Catholic, and other churches/religions have done. I just think that is an unfair remark.

Although i dont think it right to openly mock religion...there isnt much you can defend it with. It has a well, a bad track record or at least one that greatly outweighs its good side.

Although i dont think it right to openly mock religion...there isnt much you can defend it with. It has a well, a bad track record or at least one that greatly outweighs its good side.

I disagree.

I disagree.

It's best you just drop it. Even if you think they are wrong, it's best to drop it and not cause any fuss.

OCC: Looks like I missed a good party. :(

[Enter Sarcasm Here]Vineyard trying to kill the pope. Vineyard, even I didn't think you would go that low. Does your nation have any respect for anyone? Man, I'm really starting to feel sorry for your people. You make the Nazi's look like Peace loving hippies at times and that's saying something in of it self. Even the Nazi's didn't try to kill the Pope.[Exit Sarcasm Here]

Fixed.



On anoter and wholy unrelated note, UE. You have yet to post any military stats what-so-ever in Gabon and your new countries. I will give you 2 more days, then I'm invading regardless of where you are 'at'. SInce you will probably do nothing during that time just to spite me, I am going to ask TG6R to intervene in this case. 2 weeks + and you STILL havn't submitted military stats! You have had too much time to complete those simple tasks. Stop delaying and just own up to the inevitable.

We will see what TG6R has to say about it.

From bottom to top, he'll say your God Molding. Patience my young impatience friend. It is on my to do list and I will have it up shortly. I haven’t forgotten. [Please Insert Sarcasm]Unlike, you I don't live in NS. :rolleyes:[End Sarcasm]. My clock may be broken, but hasn't it only been one week. Someone’s getting mad over nothing; just to spite you? Trust me, when I want to spite people they will know it. So, your going to God Mod. Ok, let me know how that works out. You are correct I have not, but I am working on it. I just got the military declaration for Equatorial Guinea entered, today. So, I'm working on it. I'm just really really really really slow. If it came down between a snail getting to it's destination and me finishing the task, the snail would finish first most of the time. And no, I'm not being sarcastic about it. I really am that slow. So, slow that I have manage to turn Procrastination into a science. We all have gifts and mine is waiting so long it drives people nuts. :D Case in point.

So, thank you for bitting my head off.

It's best you just drop it. Even if you think they are wrong, it's best to drop it and not cause any fuss.

Or what I do and not even go near it. I'm really beginning to regret using that example. :headbang:

Yea, I shouldn't have gone there. I really LOVE a good, healthy debate on politics and religion, but too often such topics can causerifts and divides.

STORY TIME!

During the old Earth-V(When I was one of the strongest nations in E-V,believeitornot!) I was allied with the nation Whitter-, who occupied Iran, along with some outlying territories I jointly administered with him. Anyhow, he was a die-hard republican,and I am a die-hard Democrat, so we eventuallysplit off OOCly, eventually leading toa sortof war,which was never completed as he disappeared (And I did shortly after).

Anyhow, COntroversial subjects on Earth V are NOT good, Kids. They make allies go astray, and lead to OOC bias which leads into IC.

Now go eat your cereal and do what your mother tells you!

Now go eat your cereal and do what your mother tells you!

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How'd you get my picture?

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ROFL

I dont think I've laughed that hard in a while!

Im back....

will post more frequently

From bottom to top, he'll say your God Molding. Patience my young impatience friend. It is on my to do list and I will have it up shortly. I haven’t forgotten. [Please Insert Sarcasm]Unlike, you I don't live in NS. :rolleyes:[End Sarcasm]. My clock may be broken, but hasn't it only been one week. Someone’s getting mad over nothing; just to spite you? Trust me, when I want to spite people they will know it. So, your going to God Mod. Ok, let me know how that works out. You are correct I have not, but I am working on it. I just got the military declaration for Equatorial Guinea entered, today. So, I'm working on it. I'm just really really really really slow. If it came down between a snail getting to it's destination and me finishing the task, the snail would finish first most of the time. And no, I'm not being sarcastic about it. I really am that slow. So, slow that I have manage to turn Procrastination into a science. We all have gifts and mine is waiting so long it drives people nuts. :D Case in point.

So, thank you for bitting my head off.
UE:

While I respect any procrastination problems you may have, remember it's not allowed to consider any RPs past the point Vineyard asked for the information as happening before or at the same time. Time is "frozen" IC, which is why it's necessary to get these things done quickly. Particularly I am concerned over this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510789) and this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12076689&postcount=69).

If this civil war in Ukraine goes like I think it will, the Communists will win because of Vineyard and Great Romeo's support. The Worker's will probably gang up with the Communists to get rid of the Democratic Union.

Well, if it looks like that will happen I may have to deploy some peace-keeping troops in the Crimean.

UE:

While I respect any procrastination problems you may have, remember it's not allowed to consider any RPs past the point Vineyard asked for the information as happening before or at the same time. Time is "frozen" IC, which is why it's necessary to get these things done quickly. Particularly I am concerned over this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510789) and this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12076689&postcount=69).

I understand and plan to have the information up soon. As to those RP's they will be valid once I get the information up, which will be soon.

I would also like to add that, the RP I just started is in relation to that guy who was Role playing Sweden and Finland. He had been inactive long before, Vineyard or Sharina declared war on me. So, it could be agrue that the RP is ok and does not conflict with time.

I am concerned as well about the war.

I posted a war declaration over a week ago, and I have tweaked my war post a bit to reflect more realism (a week after the Cayman attacks instead of on the same day). I've also RP'ed my missiles and bombers headed towards all UE / RUN military bases, airports, naval yards, RADAR sites, and anti-air sites. Thus, RUN can't build or acquire new vessels or equipment or such because their military bases are currently under attack by me.

What I mean by that is that the RUN can't magically build new carriers or destroyers or aircraft while under attack (you can't exactly build or buy a whole carrier in just a couple of hours, y'know). And I'm still waiting to see the RUN respond to my bombing raids (although, I may need to make a second post, detailing the bombing + missile attacks in more detail though).

Its a bit annoying when all the hype for a war or epic conflict (not necessarily war, but the concept remains) then when it does happen, it becomes "inactive" of sorts.

I am concerned as well about the war.

I posted a war declaration over a week ago, and I have tweaked my war post a bit to reflect more realism (a week after the Cayman attacks instead of on the same day). I've also RP'ed my missiles and bombers headed towards all UE / RUN military bases, airports, naval yards, RADAR sites, and anti-air sites. Thus, RUN can't build or acquire new vessels or equipment or such because their military bases are currently under attack by me.

What I mean by that is that the RUN can't magically build new carriers or destroyers or aircraft while under attack (you can't exactly build or buy a whole carrier in just a couple of hours, y'know). And I'm still waiting to see the RUN respond to my bombing raids (although, I may need to make a second post, detailing the bombing + missile attacks in more detail though).

Its a bit annoying when all the hype for a war or epic conflict (not necessarily war, but the concept remains) then when it does happen, it becomes "inactive" of sorts.

Agreed with everything you stated, as I said before I'm a little slow and haven't gotten around to putting up my post to your attack. I also haven't built any new military equipment. The said post was me ordering equipment from my ally who will build it. Also, your not attacking all of the bases in the Republic. You specify stated your only attacking in Europe and just me.

And yes, when you see my reply you will need to make a second post. Tomorrow, I'm hoping to get to it. I was also hoping to finish up all my outstanding RPies before the war started but, oh well. Such is life.

OCC comment redirected from the Main thread.

A minor nitpick, UE.

These nations do not have US-made equipment in this time line, as Sharina has not sold any US-made equipment to anybody for decades (since 1980's at least). Thus, these nations would not have F-16's.

I don't think the C.S.A. sold anything to these nations either unless I'm mistaken.

OCC: Finally, a message I can easily address.

1. The F-16s are from the stocks of countries I control. Instead of scrapping them I put them in storage. To at least give those nations some type of Air Force, the then in storage F-16s were refurbish and sold or lease to the following nations. And I had a bunch in storage. The Netherlands alone had around over a hundred. I replaced the F-16s in use by the Netherlands and other countries I control with that of more modern fighters. F-2s, Rafales and Eurofighters. I've also got tons of other aircraft in storage. I thought it wise to at least maintain them in working order should a massive war break out. It doesn't cost that much to maintain them in storage.

2. From my understand and discussion with Brinkman (the Philippines) he bought American equipment from the now departed C.S.A. and that is the American equipment he sold to some of those countries. I also helped, but a lot of the ground equipment is American based. I mostly supplied the Navy and Air Force to reduce to cost to him.

3. As Sharina has not sold any US-made equipment to anybody for decades (since 1980's at least). Two problems with that statement, first one got me thinking just a few days ago about it. I haven't been here that long on Earth V as compared to you, TGSR and Vineyard. But, from my understand when Earth V was revamped into the Modern Era now, that was in 2004. So, to a limited extent the roles and polices of nations from the 70's in the Old Earth V to the New Earth V in 2004-2006/2007 had been made kind of invalid. The Territory and political stayed the same, but other more significant things changed. You can still see the differences by viewing the old threads. TGSR even has the JSF in his military declaration, an aircraft that is still in the development process as of today. He also has a lot of equipment I have no idea what is it. Same goes for a few other nations. Edit: All of Vineyard equipment does exist in real life and I was just misinformed. I did some searching and I cleared up my own confusion on the subject. So, that's my next question for Vineyard. [Why you or the C.S.A. never directly sold F-16s to my nation(s) by the rules of Earth V I'm allowed to use the military equipment my nations have in real life to start off with. From then on, I do have to buy the equipment directly from other nations if I want it. So, by using the rules of Earth V you or the C.S.A. indirectly sold American Equipment to me or any other nation for that matter that uses it in real life. Does that clear up of how I got the F-16s? I hope it does.]

Second part, I guess you have forgotten, but you have sold military equipment to other nations during the Current Earth V. I've seen the posts and can go dig them up if you want. Also, I guess you have forgotten the stuff you sold me which I have been operating for a better part of over 4 years. I still have the Telegram saved of what I ordered that you sent me, as per my request. I'll also sent you another telegram over 2 weeks ago asking for Production Rights to the C-17. This was before your war declaration and even before the operations in South America, both the one in Guyana and the one in Argentina, Chile so on. So, since you never responded I've been assuming you approved it. Their, wasn't much more I could do as I've never heard back from you giving me a yes or no. You really need to create an Earth V thread of military equipment you sell. That way if anyone wants to order from you they can post there. It would help a lot.

Thus ending, I hope that explained everything in a clear and precise manner.

1. The F-16s are from the stocks of countries I control. Instead of scrapping them I put them in storage. To at least give those nations some type of Air Force, the then in storage F-16s were refurbish and sold or lease to the following nations. And I had a bunch in storage. The Netherlands alone had around over a hundred. I replaced the F-16s in use by the Netherlands and other countries I control with that of more modern fighters. F-2s, Rafales and Eurofighters. I've also got tons of other aircraft in storage. I thought it wise to at least maintain them in working order should a massive war break out. It doesn't cost that much to maintain them in storage.

While I agree that it is entirely feesible, I dont recall you sending a single shipment of weapons OR training a native army in Argentina, Chile, etc.. SIC or IC. But im willing to let that slide. I dont know about Sharina, however.



2. From my understand and discussion with Brinkman (the Philippines) he bought American equipment from the now departed C.S.A. and that is the American equipment he sold to some of those countries. I also helped, but a lot of the ground equipment is American based. I mostly supplied the Navy and Air Force to reduce to cost to him.

3. Two problems with that statement, first one got me thinking just a few days ago about it. I haven't been here that long on Earth V as compared to you, TGSR and Vineyard. But, from my understand when Earth V was revamped into the Modern Era now, that was in 2004. So, to a limited extent the roles and polices of nations from the 70's in the Old Earth V to the New Earth V in 2004-2006/2007 had been made kind of invalid. The Territory and political stayed the same, but other more significant things changed. You can still see the differences by viewing the old threads. TGSR even has the JSF in his military declaration, an aircraft that is still in the development process as of today. He also has a lot of equipment I have no idea what is it. Same goes for a few other nations. Vineyard, has some confusing equipment that I know is not based on real life. So, that's my next question for Vineyard. [Why you or the C.S.A. never directly sold F-16s to my nation(s) by the rules of Earth V I'm allowed to use the military equipment my nations have in real life to start off with. From then on, I do have to buy the equipment directly from other nations if I want it. So, by using the rules of Earth V you or the C.S.A. indirectly sold American Equipment to me or any other nation for that matter that uses it in real life. Does that clear up of how I got the F-16s? I hope it does.]

Second part, I guess you have forgotten, but you have sold military equipment to other nations during the Current Earth V. I've seen the posts and can go dig them up if you want. Also, I guess you have forgotten the stuff you sold me which I have been operating for a better part of over 4 years. I still have the Telegram saved of what I ordered that you sent me, as per my request. I'll also sent you another telegram over 2 weeks ago asking for Production Rights to the C-17. This was before your war declaration and even before the operations in South America, both the one in Guyana and the one in Argentina, Chile so on. So, since you never responded I've been assuming you approved it. Their, wasn't much more I could do as I've never heard back from you giving me a yes or no. You really need to create an Earth V thread of military equipment you sell. That way if anyone wants to order from you they can post there. It would help a lot.

Thus ending, I hope that explained everything in a clear and precise manner.

Begging your pardon, but what equiptment do I have that does not exist in Real Life? Im currently developing the NEURON (Solely, mind you), but besides that, there is nothing imagined or unreal about my army.

Do cite examples. I KNOW they exist, I meticuliously researched them. All of them; especially after the NEURON thing. They are all 100% RL In-use equiptment (That or in the case of 1 type of submarine currently under construction in a naval yard).


Another question: Can you confirm or deny that these nations (Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, and Uruguay) have joined the RUN?

I have supplied said nations with American based equipment.
As well as some home built treats.
I believe Argentina is the only one of the nations you listed that has ties with RUN

I have supplied said nations with American based equipment.
As well as some home built treats.
I believe Argentina is the only one of the nations you listed that has ties with RUN

Correct, Argentina is the only nation that is part of the Republic. The others I've been RPing for, but RPing them as indivdual nations just trying to survive in a messed up world.

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While I agree that it is entirely feesible, I dont recall you sending a single shipment of weapons OR training a native army in Argentina, Chile, etc.. SIC or IC. But im willing to let that slide. I dont know about Sharina, however.

From Post#21 in the Operation America Thread. "Though elections had not yet come to be in Chile, in a few months it was hoped that things would settle down enough for the process to begin. In the meantime, everyday new forces were being trained, new police forces taking over from the volunteer Spanish Police force in the various countries. All in All, with each step competed a new one would begin until a completely new free and democratic nation was born."

It's alot of reading, but I made many references to the creation of new forces and equipment being supplied. The above is just one example. It's all in there divided among IC, SIC, and OCC posts. So, that should address that issue. Next One.

Begging your pardon, but what equiptment do I have that does not exist in Real Life? None, sorry for the confusion. I was just confused on some of the equipment you used and I did some searching and everything's fine. I also, edited the post correcting my statement. Again, sorry for the mix up. Your right, it is all real life equipment. *Slaps self for not checking his facts before opening his mouth.* :headbang:

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OCC: Finally, a message I can easily address.

3. Two problems with that statement, first one got me thinking just a few days ago about it. I haven't been here that long on Earth V as compared to you, TGSR and Vineyard. But, from my understand when Earth V was revamped into the Modern Era now, that was in 2004. So, to a limited extent the roles and polices of nations from the 70's in the Old Earth V to the New Earth V in 2004-2006/2007 had been made kind of invalid. The Territory and political stayed the same, but other more significant things changed. You can still see the differences by viewing the old threads. TGSR even has the JSF in his military declaration, an aircraft that is still in the development process as of today. He also has a lot of equipment I have no idea what is it. Same goes for a few other nations. Vineyard, has some confusing equipment that I know is not based on real life. So, that's my next question for Vineyard. [Why you or the C.S.A. never directly sold F-16s to my nation(s) by the rules of Earth V I'm allowed to use the military equipment my nations have in real life to start off with. From then on, I do have to buy the equipment directly from other nations if I want it. So, by using the rules of Earth V you or the C.S.A. indirectly sold American Equipment to me or any other nation for that matter that uses it in real life. Does that clear up of how I got the F-16s? I hope it does.]

Second part, I guess you have forgotten, but you have sold military equipment to other nations during the Current Earth V. I've seen the posts and can go dig them up if you want. Also, I guess you have forgotten the stuff you sold me which I have been operating for a better part of over 4 years. I still have the Telegram saved of what I ordered that you sent me, as per my request. I'll also sent you another telegram over 2 weeks ago asking for Production Rights to the C-17. This was before your war declaration and even before the operations in South America, both the one in Guyana and the one in Argentina, Chile so on. So, since you never responded I've been assuming you approved it. Their, wasn't much more I could do as I've never heard back from you giving me a yes or no. You really need to create an Earth V thread of military equipment you sell. That way if anyone wants to order from you they can post there. It would help a lot.

Thus ending, I hope that explained everything in a clear and precise manner.

Yes, it does help clear this up quite a bit. Thank you for the clarification.

However, there's an issue with continuity that is one of my biggest pet peeves. I have been trying to RP Sharina as forming in the mid 1960's which would allow for the needed time to develop, expand, and such in a more realistic manner (50+ years) as opposed to conquering Canada, America, Latin America, and Caribbean in just 1 - 5 years.

I like to build a history, instead of wiping the slate clean as that means all my RP'ing prior to that point would become meaningless, and I put hours upon hours of RP into 1960 - 2000 era prior to "Revamping Earth V".

I believe that the nations that have established a history in Earth V should have that history "grandfathered in". It makes perfect sense, considering when new players come in, they create whole new nations / empires / republics / whatever. Just like in real life, the world is full of old nations and new nations. If Earth V gets "revamped" a second time and your RUN is still around by then, your RUN will get its history, formation, infrastructure, economy, etc. all "grandfathered in". Same goes for any nations existing NOW in Earth V if Earth V is revamped again in 2007 or 2008 or whenever in RL.

As for the selling and TG's- I was kind of overwhelmed at that time as I was participating in Earth 2000, and I had to deal with a couple dozen TG's or more a week just from that RP. I most likely forgot about the selling stuff via TG's because I had to constantly delete TG's to save the important Earth 2000 TG's. Now that I have quit Earth 2000 owing to certain people that I shall not name, I'm able to focus exclusively on Earth V and the other RP project I'm doing with Kormanthor. I'm also now able to keep track of my TG box without it overflowing anymore.

In short, I admit I forgot all about selling the US stuff via TG's. I'll let that become "official".

In regards to Great Romeo's response to the establishment of The Slavic Socialist Republic. I really think you are over-reacting. I find it very hard to believe that a country would launch an attack against another just because the faction they wanted to win in fact did not.

In regards to Great Romeo's response to the establishment of The Slavic Socialist Republic. I really think you are over-reacting. I find it very hard to believe that a country would launch an attack against another just because the faction they wanted to win in fact did not.

Well, I do know there's two examples that come close to this in real life would be the US attacking Afganistan and Iraq.

In regards to Great Romeo's response to the establishment of The Slavic Socialist Republic. I really think you are over-reacting. I find it very hard to believe that a country would launch an attack against another just because the faction they wanted to win in fact did not.
Indeed, it was Milan Srecko's impulsive decision. However, considering there's already Vineyardian soldiers inside the country, it's merely providing air support for a ground operation.

With that much equipment and direct support from Vineyard and Great Romeo, the Communists will easily win.

Indeed, it was Milan Srecko's impulsive decision. However, considering there's already Vineyardian soldiers inside the country, it's merely providing air support for a ground operation.

With that much equipment and direct support from Vineyard and Great Romeo, the Communists will easily win.

And I believe that it is completely the decision of Recolitus as to who wins his civil war- which is already over.

Guys, I feel that I need to establish a new rule of sorts.

The rule is that whenever any new threads are made or posted, PLEASE post the link in this thread, as some people may have a hard time canvassing the International Incidents for Earth V threads because there's like 100's of new threads on NS daily. It'll be much easier to take a look at developing Earth V RP's if the RP links are posted once the threads are up and running.

So far, I haven't seen quite a few RP thread links posted in a while, yet some people are already talking about RP's. We need to be a bit more organized.

Indeed, it was Milan Srecko's impulsive decision. However, considering there's already Vineyardian soldiers inside the country, it's merely providing air support for a ground operation.

With that much equipment and direct support from Vineyard and Great Romeo, the Communists will easily win.

Only problem with that is, the Civil War was over before Vineyards people ever got there. Not to mention the National Workers Movement has the support of the masses.

Only problem with that is, the Civil War was over before Vineyards people ever got there. Not to mention the National Workers Movement has the support of the masses.

My soldiers arn't 'there' yet, they are marching to the border by foot.

Origionally I had planned to use the Civil war as a sort of training ground, where I would rotate reserve divisions into and out of that civil war, to harden the troops and prepare them for a bigger war.

But oh well. :)

ooc: And I know it. Submarines are incredible for that sort of work.

Too bad you didn't assign one to follow my fleet.

I just looked back at all of your posts since I crossed into the Panama canal, up until I attacked the Cayman Isles. There is not one mention, sic, ooc, or IC, of any submarine following my fleet.

So excuse me if I call that a god-mod.

And dont bother editing the posts. It spcifically states when a post was edited after the deed is done.

EDIT: And below is my proof.

First off, if your going to do an OCC message that big. Please redirected it to the OCC thread here, like I have. As you well know, it makes finding IC messages much easier. Thank you.

Yeah, they are indeed very well suited to that type of work. So, it's to bad for you I did assign one, if not more.

Well, it's obvious you missed the reference. It's there in SIC/IC/OCC for all to see. Look again and if you still can't find it I point it out for you.

Your Excused, that's why I was kind enough to tell you ahead of time.

One last thing, that last part was very childish. "And don’t bother editing the posts." You really thinking that I would do that is very insulting to say the least. Not only that but, accusing me of doing it. That just leaves me speechless that you would even have the nerve to accuse me of such a thing.

I'm going to stop here before, I say something I know I will regret saying, later.

First off, if your going to do an OCC message that big. Please redirected it to the OCC thread here, like I have. As you well know, it makes finding IC messages much easier. Thank you.

Yeah, they are indeed very well suited to that type of work. So, it's to bad for you I did assign one, if not more.

Well, it's obvious you missed the reference. It's there in SIC/IC/OCC for all to see. Look again and if you still can't find it I point it out for you.

Your Excused, that's why I was kind enough to tell you ahead of time.

One last thing, that last part was very childish. "And don’t bother editing the posts." You really thinking that I would do that is very insulting to say the least. Not only that but, accusing me of doing it. That just leaves me speechless that you would even have the nerve to accuse me of such a thing.

I'm going to stop here before, I say something I know I will regret saying, later.

Given the animosity here, I'm not sure if I can say that Finals is keeping me away from an RP or a burden...

Whatever the problem, fix it. And keep the childish comments to yourself - it's a hard thing to keep emotions out of this, but I can say from good experience that harsh sentiments will get you nowhere and often leave a hostile atmosphere for incoming people. Since it seems to me that you guys are arguing over the peculiar things [I say again, it seems to me...], I strongly suggest you guys find someone to deal out your disputes or patiently wait until Finals allows me more time to deal out these inadequacies. Of course, personally, I'd rather you guys stop arguing and starting finding solutions, and adopt the realization of realism: someone is going to lose something. At the rate that it is coming, no one is going to win anything and everyone will lose the war.

I've spent too much time - stupid chemistry book is too thick... need sleep...

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I'm going to stop here before, I say something I know I will regret saying, later.
Excellent! That's exactly the kind of behavior we need on Earth V. :)

I've spent too much time - stupid chemistry book is too thick... need sleep...

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Get at least 8 hours of sleep (remember that laying down in bed doesn't count as sleeping) and remember that P1V1 / T1 = P2V2 / T2 for ideal gases. ;)

First off, if your going to do an OCC message that big. Please redirected it to the OCC thread here, like I have. As you well know, it makes finding IC messages much easier. Thank you.

Yeah, they are indeed very well suited to that type of work. So, it's to bad for you I did assign one, if not more.

Well, it's obvious you missed the reference. It's there in SIC/IC/OCC for all to see. Look again and if you still can't find it I point it out for you.

Your Excused, that's why I was kind enough to tell you ahead of time.

One last thing, that last part was very childish. "And don’t bother editing the posts." You really thinking that I would do that is very insulting to say the least. Not only that but, accusing me of doing it. That just leaves me speechless that you would even have the nerve to accuse me of such a thing.

I'm going to stop here before, I say something I know I will regret saying, later.

Its happened before. People have attempted that before in RPs involving myself. I cant say I really know you, as such, that was a precautionary measure. Im sorry I insulted you.

At any rate, yes, I would like to see the sub reference. And I would like you to explain to me how my carrier was within eyeshot of the Cayman Islands? I just re-read my post, and there is no mention of it being within view. In fact, being in view would be counter productive.

Its happened before. People have attempted that before in RPs involving myself. I cant say I really know you, as such, that was a precautionary measure. Im sorry I insulted you.

At any rate, yes, I would like to see the sub reference. And I would like you to explain to me how my carrier was within eyeshot of the Cayman Islands? I just re-read my post, and there is no mention of it being within view. In fact, being in view would be counter productive.

There's a mention of submarines in this post, if it helps:

Guyana, Dominica, Martinique, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Barbados and Grenada:

In the territories in question, the final phase of the operation was coming to a close. That of integrating the territories in question peacefully into the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. In, time local forces would be raised to guard the Islands with Venezuela acting as a parent, protecting them from threats it could not handle on it's own. Still, that time seem so far away as the events in America were again spiring out of control.

Till local forces were raised, the defense of the nations in question were placed as the highest priority. On land, defensive positions and fields of fire were set up. The high terrain was ideal for placing Artillery Air Defense Systems to hit incoming targets. It also limited the number of spots available to land. The only sure way to gain control was by air and that would be no easy task, with new fighter groups be assigned to the Islands. Until new Airbases could be built, civilian ones were taken over.

On sea, ships and subs patrolled the area with long range maritime aircraft providing support. Should any attack come, the forces of Venezuela were ready and with the help of their allies drive them back.

Saint-Martin:

After nearly a week, the Fleet had arrived in the Netherlands Antilles to guard them against possible attack. With the fleet came the support of the Army, which landed additional troops on the key islands. Surrounded by hostile forces, the Kingdom of Benelux was taking no chances. With the arrival of the fleet, the ceremony was completed and Saint-Martin welcomed into the Netherlands Antilles and by extension the Kingdom of Benelux. To guard against any future attack, the Kingdom would permanently assign a fleet to guard it's Caribbean holdings and protect it's citizens from attack.

Chile and Argentina:

Along the Chilean-Peruvian border, the Chilean Army had been placed on high alert. Should Chile be attacked by the Vineyard Empire, the Argentina Republic and the Phillippines had promised to come to their aid. Surely, the Vineyard's wouldn't be that stupid as to start a world war in America and condemn to death an entire Fleet and battle group.

In the meantime, the meeting was finally set up. Delegates from Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, Argentina and the Philippines were invited. The meeting was to be held in a undisclosed location in Argentina.

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[B]Message to the nation of Sharina:

Why do you hold such hostility towards the Republic? You state it's because you wish to "limit European Influence within the Western Hemisphere". Yet, it was that very Influence that lead to the rise of a America. So, besides the fact that there are more members from other parts of the world then Europe, we know that the "so called European Influence" you speak of is not your problem with the Republic. In all sincerity, we have no idea why the nation of Sharina has such hatred towards nations that were once it's allies and friends. Indeed, the European Influence you despised so much need not be a detrimental thing. As there are many types of influence and not all of them harmful. Surely, the various members of the Republic and the Sharina Technocracy can find common ground that will allow them to work together for building a better world in the Americas. There is no reason for us to be cold war adversaries hell bent on a war that will benefit no one. Is there no place where we can meet on common ground?

We eagerly await your reply[emphasis added]

There's a mention of submarines in this post, if it helps:

[emphasis added]

[OOC- Of course, the submarines are specifically stated to have been placed in the area to help defend Venezuela and other territories controlled by UE, not to shadow Vineyardian ships that are near Sharinan assets. As a completely neutral observer, I've got to say that those subs were never stated to have been tracking/recording anything, never were RPed as tracking/recording anything, and therfore were not tracking/recording anything.

That's how it seems from the printed text- if ther are other posts, maybe it's different. This one, however, has absolutely nothing to do with surreptitiously following the naval vessels of a foreign power and tralks only about using subs to help defend against a naval attack on UE territory.]

There's a mention of submarines in this post, if it helps:

Good Job, Reich. Quoted for fullness. "On sea, ships and subs patrolled the area with long range maritime aircraft providing support.

[OOC- Of course, the submarines are specifically stated to have been placed in the area to help defend Venezuela and other territories controlled by UE, not to shadow Vineyardian ships that are near Sharinan assets. As a completely neutral observer, I've got to say that those subs were never stated to have been tracking/recording anything, never were RPed as tracking/recording anything, and therefore were not tracking/recording anything.

That's how it seems from the printed text- if there are other posts, maybe it's different. This one, however, has absolutely nothing to do with surreptitiously following the naval vessels of a foreign power and talks only about using subs to help defend against a naval attack on UE territory.]

Easy response to that entire statement. Samtonia, those are two separate sentences. While, yes the subs and ships were mainly there to protect the territory of the Republic, they could and were assigned different missions. One of them being to watch the Vineyard Fleet that had entered the Caribbean.

While, yes I didn't specify state IC a submarine was assigned such as the following sentence "Below, the ocean waves lurked the [Insert random name of sub and type]. Silently and cautious it observed it's prey, the small Vineyard Fleet." I did make a general reference that did cover that action, should the need arise.

Dictionary time: Patrol-verb, to go the rounds of a (ex-a camp, town...), perambulate (streets), in order to watch, protect, inspect.

Patrolled-noun, the act or service of going the rounds of an area; a unit of persons or vehicles employed for reconnaissance, security or combat.

The complete sentence- "On sea, ships and subs patrolled the area with long range maritime aircraft providing support." Put another way, "On sea, ships and subs were employed for reconnaissance, security or combat should the need arise; in the skies long range maritime aircraft provided support to the Fleet at sea."

So, Samtonia you are wrong. The Submarines and ships in reference to that sentence were assigned to various tasks including the tracking/recording of the Naval Assets of not only Vineyard, but also of Sharina and anyone else who happen to enter the area.

Their, I just proved I RP IC all that I said I had did and have not God-Mod one bit.

TIny bit wrong with that UE.

Unless your patrols extend to the Panama Canal (Which I doubt SHarina would have allowed), I see no reason why my carrier was 'picked up' by such a partol. Are your patrols spanning the width and bredth of the Caribbean?

Undoubtedly, the answer is 'no', as such patrols would be difficult to maintain.

Which leads me to my next point. Observe.

Note the Panama Canal: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Countries-Panama-provinces-2005-10-18-en.png

Now note the reletive distance between Venesuela and Panama: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LocationVenezuela.png

Now note the almoast directly northern-route to the Cayman Islands: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/CaribbeanIslands.png

No where near Venezuela

How big are your patrols?

Now, I believe that the argument has been made aptly on both side sof the fence.

Lets alow the War-mod to decide. Because quite frankly, debating and argument (Over Earth V) tends to cause anger and frusteration, as seen in UE's recent frusteration over my detering measure. (That being the most recent example.)

ALif, lets see some decisions. Unless you are too busy, then surrender your post to another (Nutural) nation. As I stated earlier, my second reccomendation was Samtonia, so I would recommend his appointment should you find yourself unable to fufil your duties...

EDIT: Mmm, just occured to me. What kind of submarines are these? Im not going to pull the "would'ves", the "should'ves", and the "could'ves" on ya, Im just planning for the future.

After all, now that you have revealed that your subs are on patrols (Through the release of the Footage, which somehow shows the Cayman Islands in the background, which is an impossibility), Sharine (Being in command of my fleet) Can use the numerous choppers with my fleet to launch anti-sub operations. If he so chooses.

Given the animosity here, I'm not sure if I can say that Finals is keeping me away from an RP or a burden...

Whatever the problem, fix it. And keep the childish comments to yourself - it's a hard thing to keep emotions out of this, but I can say from good experience that harsh sentiments will get you nowhere and often leave a hostile atmosphere for incoming people. Since it seems to me that you guys are arguing over the peculiar things [I say again, it seems to me...], I strongly suggest you guys find someone to deal out your disputes or patiently wait until Finals allows me more time to deal out these inadequacies. Of course, personally, I'd rather you guys stop arguing and starting finding solutions, and adopt the realization of realism: someone is going to lose something. At the rate that it is coming, no one is going to win anything and everyone will lose the war.

I've spent too much time - stupid chemistry book is too thick... need sleep...

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I've already decided...

That said, my last final is this Thursday, so if you can wait until then, kudos to you. Otherwise, get someone to resolve this.

My personal bias says that while the RUN Venezuela has issued orders for submarine patrols, his ships are not going to patrol waters that are clearly not Venezuelan. If Vineyard's carriers never entered RUN territorial waters, then the RUN has no reason to patrol Vineyardian ships.

I've also realized that there are some floating RPs out there, and as Sharina has said, post references links to them. I have a perfectly operable thread that works as long as people use it, but I've noticed that it's been a bit under-used since my Finals began. I will update the links as much as I can find but that's about it. And please use the thread - it's there as a tool. If you can't place it anywhere, place a link to the OOC thread and eventually someone will find it, rather than letting it float in NS space...


EDIT - And you guys seriously NEEEEEEED to make a separate RP thread and respective OOC chatter box because you're cluttering up the IC posts, OOC posts, and et cetera. If I have the time, I'll make it myself.

I've already decided...

That said, my last final is this Thursday, so if you can wait until then, kudos to you. Otherwise, get someone to resolve this.

My personal bias says that while the RUN Venezuela has issued orders for submarine patrols, his ships are not going to patrol waters that are clearly not Venezuelan. If Vineyard's carriers never entered RUN territorial waters, then the RUN has no reason to patrol Vineyardian ships.

I've also realized that there are some floating RPs out there, and as Sharina has said, post references links to them. I have a perfectly operable thread that works as long as people use it, but I've noticed that it's been a bit under-used since my Finals began. I will update the links as much as I can find but that's about it. And please use the thread - it's there as a tool. If you can't place it anywhere, place a link to the OOC thread and eventually someone will find it, rather than letting it float in NS space...


EDIT - And you guys seriously NEEEEEEED to make a separate RP thread and respective OOC chatter box because you're cluttering up the IC posts, OOC posts, and et cetera. If I have the time, I'll make it myself.

ATTENTION!

I made the OOC thread for the "War of the Americas". Please direct all OOC debate, disputes, discussions, and complaints there.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12105091#post12105091

Notice to All:

I will be leaving for vacation on Thursday (the 21st). I will be on vacation till the first week of January. I will be coming back to Earth V, so if someone will watch over my nations for me to make sure all of it stays intact I would be most grateful.

Tonight more then likely will be the last time I will be able to get on for the next two weeks. So, with that in mind. I wish you all a Merry Christmas, Hanukkah and whatever else holidays you might celebrate.

Also, I wish all of you a Happy New Year.

See, you all in the new year.

Notice to All:

I will be leaving for vacation on Wednesday (the 20th) or Thursday (the 21st). I will be on vacation till the first week of January. I will be coming back to Earth V, so if someone will watch over my nations for me to make sure all of it stays intact I would be most grateful.

Tonight more then likely will be the last time I will be able to get on for the next two weeks. So, with that in mind. I wish you all a Merry Christmas, Hanukkah and whatever else holidays you might celebrate.

Also, I wish all of you a Happy New Year.

See, you all in the new year.

Have a good one, UE. Are you headed to Hawaii or California or somewhere in the tropics? :p

I would nominate ALM, Kopparbergs, or Samtonia to watch over the RUN while you're gone. However, ALM may not exactly be the best choice considering he's the war moderator in the upcoming war.

Just saying I'm still here, waiting for Samtonia to post on his Nuclear War with PRC.

Have a good one, UE. Are you headed to Hawaii or California or somewhere in the tropics? :p

I would nominate ALM, Kopparbergs, or Samtonia to watch over the RUN while you're gone. However, ALM may not exactly be the best choice considering he's the war moderator in the upcoming war.

Since, I'm already in the Tropics (Florida). I'll be heading away from them. I'm heading for the Great Smoky Mountains. Got family up there and going to be spending time with them.

I'm fine with anyone who will be active enough to watch over my nations to make sure no one does something stupid and say invade Sri Lanka. Then, when I come back I found out I no longer control Sri Lanka. Another Example, one of the nations I RP as has a defensive alliance with Gabon. So, I come back and someone has annexed Gabon, did someone make them aware that you result in war between me and them. So on and So on. Stuff like that, just to make sure my alliances and treaties are the way I left them when I return. So, anyone that will be active at least once a day I'm fine with.

I'm still here, just very busy these days before christmas...

Ditto.

Im not dead yet!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

I'm here, but I've been so blasted busy that I haven't had a chance to post for a while. It should get easier in the next few days and most certainly after Christmas.

Sorry to any RPs I may have stalled. :(

I am still around but I am having writer's block on the next portions of my roleplay. I want to develop Brazil some more but with the imminent war between Sharina and United Earthlings and the apparent time freeze or something I don't know exactly how to proceed.

I am still around but I am having writer's block on the next portions of my roleplay. I want to develop Brazil some more but with the imminent war between Sharina and United Earthlings and the apparent time freeze or something I don't know exactly how to proceed.

Time freeze for all nations involved in the conflict. In short: They cannot go back, annex some more territories, then revert back to 'modern' time, and use these things in their war. It would not be fair if it were that way.

finals are over :fluffle:

THE WAR OF THE AMERICAS (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511856)

This is the official War thread, so any comments relevant to its commencement must be relayed there.

Just as a reference again, this is the ooc thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511493

I was thinking of renaming the United Caucasus Republics into the United Caucasus and Iranian Republics, or the UCIR. This is to reflect that the country is not totally in the Caucasus Mountains, a portion of it is on the Persian Plateau.

UCIR or something else. I am bad at naming. The UCR was a fluke and I know it.

May I claim Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda and Burundi please?

May I claim Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda and Burundi please?

If TG6R or Sharina allows it. Might be alot for a starting claim though...

If TG6R or Sharina allows it. Might be alot for a starting claim though...

I didn't know, all the claims in this are quite large,and I had noticed that you had taken the pre-concieved Buristan homeland, and I didn't want to tear your nation apart.

May I claim Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda and Burundi please?

Taking a note that Uganda and Kenya were previously acquired, so an RP would be required to acquire it.

Otherwise, I would wait for TG6R to approve it. If he does, welcome to the family :D. [he might ask for a reduction...]

(We need to start more strictly enforcing the claiming limits since we're running out of space fast...)

[he might ask for a reduction...]
Indeed.

Buristan: I'll let you have three of those nations. Welcome to Earth V. :)

(We need to start more strictly enforcing the claiming limits since we're running out of space fast...)


Indeed.

Buristan: I'll let you have three of those nations. Welcome to Earth V. :)

As memory serves, Rwanda and Burundi are extraordinarily tiny for African nations, and these two nations combined would make up an land area the size of West Virginia. I'm inclined to treat these two nations as a single nation for the sake of claims (owing to their tiny size in relation to other African nations).

Opinions?

I think that I will claim Rwanda/Burundi, Tanzania, and Uganda. My land will be known as the Central African Federation.

Hmmm, I thought the trouble in the Ukraine would last longer.... sigh.

I have almost nothing to do since Samtonia hasn't updated his RPs.

I think that I will claim Rwanda/Burundi, Tanzania, and Uganda. My land will be known as the Central African Federation.
Confirmed, (I agree with Sharina about Burundi and Rwanda).

Hmmm, I thought the trouble in the Ukraine would last longer.... sigh.

I have almost nothing to do since Samtonia hasn't updated his RPs.

I can give you something to worry about :D

I can give you something to worry about :D

Is thata good thing?

Is thata good thing?

maybe - you want action? I can give it [look to CWAA for example]

Well I do want action, it depends on what the cost is though. Whatever, I am bored as it is. I am only a Black/Caspian Sea Power, so I don't see much of the world in terms of who do I help.

Well I do want action, it depends on what the cost is though. Whatever, I am bored as it is. I am only a Black/Caspian Sea Power, so I don't see much of the world in terms of who do I help.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511899

For you and Moorington
[or just you, depends on how this turns out :D]

I think that I will claim Rwanda/Burundi, Tanzania, and Uganda. My land will be known as the Central African Federation.

Welcome to Earth V. I look forward to reading your roleplays. One thing of note though, when you create your RP's, please post the links here in this thread so we can locate it easily.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511899

For you and Moorington
[or just you, depends on how this turns out :D]

Rebellion in the UCR? Proposterous.

On point of memory...


I sent a TG a couple of days ago to TG6R, but it seems that that was a bad idea...

I'm planning on starting a sort of little world football league [for those Americans and Australians who have not converted to proper semantics, that would be soccer], aptly names the Association of League International Football. Basically, it's FIFA on Earth V - and I've gotten a little scheme working for it too.

I haven't completely finished the schematics of the football league, but basically, each country has at least one national team [for those like me and UN, each constituent nation can participate, which will be helpful come along those beautiful World Cup events...] to represent that best in football playing in their country.

Instead of using years as our standard, I'm unilaterally going to use "seasons" to describe the number of cups so far. Each season will last for 4 weeks: each team competes for 2 weeks in friendlies, invitational cups, and other cups; the third week is reserved for the qualifiers ; and the fourth week is the World Cup tournament.

Since this will be the first World Cup [since the last aborted attempt], I will begin this new season on 1 January 2007 [which happens to be a Monday, my official end/start of the week]. I do have a scorinator, so the results will be semi-legitimate [if you can trust a computer to calculate scores...]. If any of you are kind enough and have your scorinators, you can start your own little leagues/friendly matches/etc and send the results to me [via TG, preferablly email, or just a whopping on a new thread to be started soon].

But anyway, this is only a suggestion, and if you guys are really interested in this, don't post a reply here!!! [I REPEAT - DON'T POST HERE!!!] Email your prospective national team with the following details:

1 - National team name [[I]simply the nation you represent]

2 - Playing Style [any number between and including -5 and 5]

3 - [optional] Playing roster [I say optional because I don't care who plays on your team at all - you could have all-stars from Barcelona or Internationale and still lose every freaking game, because the computer bases its scores on random algorithms - speaking of which, if you give your country's rank, I will automatically give you whatever is the inverse of that number for your rank, because at the moment, I don't have any ranks].

4- [optional] Mascot [I say optional because football doesn't need mascots to rouse the fans; just speak to the Irish]


Common sense: if you are representing more than one national team, submit multiples of the little application, don't clump. And by sending multiple copies, I don't mean multiple emails [I'll provide examples below]. As far as ranks go, no one has any rank. So at the moment, everyone is ranked zero. Because of this, it is equally possible that Brazil will suck at every match they play, or that Vanuatu will win the World Cup, or both, or none. So if you come arguing to me that "it's not realistic that I could lose," or especially "it's not realistic that I could lose to this person," because then I retort "oh, it's not realistic that Italy could ever beat France in the World Cup Finals." It happens - it's done. Any arguments will only make me upset. The same deal goes for the ranks that I will calculate [using a equation based off of the FIFA equation] - arguments will only serve to frustrate me. That said, if you've got proof, supply it and I'll see what changes need to be me - especially if they're substantive; because while I'm trying to intimidate the "it's not fair" crowd, I'm also trying to encourage the "it's not right" crowd - because it's quite possible that I input the a results of a game in reverse.

That said, if you're interested, you can take a look at any of the following templates [I REPEAT, TEMPLATE] to send to me, so I can account for it in my league ranks worksheet [for those of you who care to notice, my life semi-revolves around having XL worksheets do my work :D] ===

For one national team:


National team name: Alif Laam Miim

Playing Style: 2

Roster: N/A

Mascot: N/A


For two or more national teams:


National team name: Abyssinia

Playing Style: -1.1482747382757363

Roster: N/A

Mascot: N/A


National team name: Chad

Playing Style: 0

Roster: N/A

Mascot: N/A


I've spent too much time on this, but I hope that it's all good and done. Please email me at iyazemel-3@hotmail.com - it's fast, painless, and costs you nothing but time. Of course, if you don't want to join the fun, simply put, don't send me emails about how much you think this idea sucks, because I will make your life completely miserable :D]

Rebellion in the UCR? Proposterous.

not rebellion - extremism, courtesy of Moorington

not rebellion - extremism, courtesy of Moorington

To my government thats close enough

To my government thats close enough

to mine as well

Hello I'm currently looking to participate in one of the Earths here on NS. However I can't seem to find many openings and all of the earths seem to have gone inactive. This one seems to be alive and still ticking so I thought I'd apply. I would like to make a claim for the country of Cameroon if that would be alright it is blank on them map and I can't seem to find anywhere that it is listed belonging to someone else. Also I know this is realism so do not think I going to roleplay like this but here is an example from another site that takes preference to super powered beings taking over the world.

Oh and my land I would like to be known simply as Thyrius. Thanks for your time.



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Outside of a North Korean Military Compound :: 2100 Hours

"Get your lazy ass up here and stand post, Private!"

The hoarse voice of First Sergeant Osaka seemed to writhe out of his throat. From the barely audible first syllable to the booming command of the final, the chain smoker's speech was something only his mother could love; but loving him wasn't necessary. Respect, as the sheet of medals covering his left breast exampled, obviously was a necessity.

"Hnnn... nya.. huh?"

The humid air clung to Private Li's skin, weighing him down. Every step up the metal stairwell was heavy-laden, the burden of sleep and the sticky atmosphere getting to him. Red welps covering the minuscule soldier's skin served as a reminder that the sopping wet jungle was a hive of mosquitoes and vicious insects. Clan-clan-clan-clang... every time the black, artificial leather boots struck the metal of the steps the makeshift incline sung back.

The standard issue Kevlar helmet bobbed up into view over the edge of the concrete plateau. Osaka watched as his slave of an NCO ran at his every whim. How absolutely pathetic, yet extremely useful at the same time.

As Osaka pondered the oxymoron of a soldier, Private Li snapped to attention and gave a brisk salute. The Sergeant eyed him with spite, and spoke once again in his sickening, needlessly loud voice.

"Stand post, maggot, I need to go piss. An' I'm saving just enough to piss all over you when I get back if I find you asleep. You hear me?!"

The Private could do nothing but swallow his mixed emotions and salute, hailing the Commanding Officer with a "Yes sir", and quake in his boots until Osaka left sight. After the First Sergeant walked off and headed into the compound, Li let out a sigh of relief. Taking a hold of his AK-47 assault rifle, the commando walked over to the railing around the cement base of the compound.

Many head military officials had gathered here tonight, and not only from North Korea. Russia, China, and even some "business men" from the States had found their way inside the bomb shelter of a complex. The Private had an awkward feeling about this, but his curiosity nary kept him awake. The night was hot, humid, bug-infested, moonless, and quiet. There was nothing better to do than sleep, as far as Li was concerned.

The "slick-sleeve" leaned against the metal railing, resting the rifle over his arms. His eye lids began to droop, then began the half-hearted fight to stay open as his head started to bob in submission. Finally, his will gave way and his eyes closed, his head resting on the handle of the AK.


*Ptink*


The subtle noise surprised Li, and his eyes bolted wide open. The haze of his doze still obscured his vision, but for a moment he thought he saw a figure standing down in the jungle below. The guard closed his eyes and rubbed their lids with a groggy hand, the other reaching up to adjust his helmet out of his periphery. The figure was gone.

"Just a dream, maybe a gnat in your eye... calm down, Li. Breathe..."

The solider reassured himself as he stood up. His skin had paled some, but that was the extent of his reaction to the ghostly apparition. The figure had appeared much like a samurai, a warrior from historic Japan. Why was he, a Korean, seeing visions of something that was not even from his country?

As he contemplated this, the Private suddenly felt a sensation at the base of his neck. The feeling began to swell, then crawled down his spine, making his entire form shudder in response. "That means someone just walked over your grave," his mother used to tell him when he behaved so. Heh, walking over my grave my ass.

As Private Li of the Communist Army of North Korea took great pleasure in his thoughts of crude bravado, a figure seemed to atomize from the shadows behind him.

Li turned around, a grin of arrogance planted on his small face. He had no reason to fear anything. He was "armed and dangerous". What could possibly happen?

A figure standing a straight half foot taller than the Korean was only two steps away, head bowed and hair covering his face. Clothed in midnight blue and black silk, the figure seemed to waiver in and out from the shadows. A single flood light shone down in a small circle, encompassing the two men, frozen like stone.

The suddenly present persona raised his left arm, extending it off in a horizontal line to his side. The light slid in a single reflective glimmer down the pristine edge of the katana blade. The flood light exploded, and the setting was showered with dazzling sparks and glass. Then the night encompassed the elevated point with silence and thick, moist darkness.

Private Li pissed himself.

Automatic weapons fire rattled off into the night, the flashes of light from the muzzle of the AK-47 lighting up the small observation pad in short bursts. Bullets sprayed in spontaneous patterns, pinging off of railing and peppering the stone walls of the compound with holes. Every piece of air surrounding the panic-stricken soldier had, at some point, been fired into.

The noise ceased and a frantic hand fumbled to remove an empty clip and slam another home. Li's eyes flicked back and forth with sporadic mannerisms. His fear of the spectral assassin gripped his heart with cold, icy fingers. He waved the smoking barrel of the fully-auto tool in circles and half circles, panting heavily. Beads of sweat trickled down from his brow to slide over his nose and dangle at the tip. All was quiet.

A small red glow formed right in front of the Private's face, a foot or so away. It appeared much like the moon appears - first, a small, semi-circle sliver, then proceeding to a half circle, then a full orb of illuminated red. It was the eye . . . the eye every child fears, that single orb that the monster under the bed owns. Li opened his mouth to scream in horror, but the path of the vibrations from his vocal chords were interrupted as a blade slid through his esophagus.

The emergency light blinked, sputtered, then shone down on the scene. The red light shimmered in the puddle of blood as it pooled around the Private's shoulders. The hinges of a heavy metal door gave a metallic whine as they opened, and the sound repeated itself as the door closed.

The Ghostblade had come.

Thyrius, your RP skills seem to be quite above-average compared to 95% of NS. I'd be more than happy to have you in Earth V. HJowever, I recall Vineyard has Cameroon, according to the claims list on the first post of this thread. But then again, that list is somewhat outdated.

Do you have any second choices for a nation or claim in case you cannot get Cameroon? As a mod, I'll be more than happy to grant you the claim as long as its reasonable.

Before you get involved in any major RP, I suggest you create a nation factbook, and maybe a bit of background RP on your nation taking power in Cameroon (or whichever nation you end up with) as an intro of sorts. Then you're good to go. Oh, by the way, you'll need to post links to your RP's here in this thread so we can find your RP's floating out there in NS and read them.

Yeah this thread and the other thread + the map don't quite match up but it says that Vineyard has it. Maybe I'm just reading the map wrong. The map I think also has Zaire taken but it doesn't show that people have that in the list so how about Zaire? Thanks a bunch and of course I know my first RP thread was going to be taking over power of Zaire and I'll have to create a factbook I was just waiting on getting some land so I can make it as realistic as possible.



P.S. is there a place to find the links of Earth V threads? Just dig through this one?


Thanks for your time.


Thyrius

Zaire is the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Zaire was it's name under Mobuto Sese Seko. And Vineyard has that. Try again please.

This is for Buristan. I know you are quite active on Nation States. I would like to see you not become like the other 10 or so people who have made claims and left. I would wish for you to become a reletively regular member of the Earth V Community. You don't need to be powerful to be in the action, look at me. I may only be a regional power, but I still hold some sway in the world.

This is for Buristan. I know you are quite active on Nation States. I would like to see you not become like the other 10 or so people who have made claims and left. I would wish for you to become a reletively regular member of the Earth V Community. You don't need to be powerful to be in the action, look at me. I may only be a regional power, but I still hold some sway in the world.

Do you think that there would be any interest in a free economic zone in Africa.

Who knows. ALM might be interested, he enjoys those weird little things and thats why we like him here. I dunno about South Africa, he's a little weird but other whys cool. Vineyard's empire.... well let's just say Authoritarian Isn't the half of it.

Does that answer your question?

Who knows. ALM might be interested, he enjoys those weird little things and thats why we like him here. I dunno about South Africa, he's a little weird but other whys cool. Vineyard's empire.... well let's just say Authoritarian Isn't the half of it.

Does that answer your question?

Indeed it does. I think that I will try and pound out a FTA with ALM

A Factbook would be very nice. It allows for all of us to garner diplomatic ties with you easier. It also provides us with an easy reference about your nation, who it's leaders are, what are it's natural resources, and other things.

For some ideas here is mine, United Earthlings, and Samtonia's
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497234
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506493
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497879

:)

Well nothing up here is updated so please don't get annoyed with me. Could someone provide a list of a few countries that are open for the taking? The map says one thing, this thread says another and the other thread completely goes against this one. But I'll try one more time, and why does Vineyard use two different shades of gray on the map? Because Cameroon and Zaire are not the same color on the map and both belong to him. Sorry but I just can't seem to find any open countries I'll try once more though....



How about Malawi? Haha It's going to be very hard to get started from there but heck. You gotta start somewhere right... And I doubt I'm going to find any equipment resources on Malawi.

any random event for this week, TG6R?

Do you think that there would be any interest in a free economic zone in Africa.

YES
The CWAA would like that a lot

how about Kenya? Its a fairly sizeable country and is RELATIVELY better off than Malawi. (Seeing as Camgo didnt even bother to post one R.P. I think It can be yours :) )

and on that note South Africa is officially closing down for the season, all border stations have a closed sign on them (mentioning to any travellers to come again in the new years and sorry about the inconvienience.) :D

( I am actually on holiday now, forgot to tell you guys that sorry, hence my considerable absence, I will be away for about 2 weeks untill about the 7th or 8th of jan, and then i will be back with a vengeance!.)


I hope this is ok and will somebody keep an eye on my land it would be much appreciated. thanks!

how about Kenya? Its a fairly sizeable country and is RELATIVELY better off than Malawi. (Seeing as Camgo didnt even bother to post one R.P. I think It can be yours :) )

and on that note South Africa is officially closing down for the season, all border stations have a closed sign on them (mentioning to any travellers to come again in the new years and sorry about the inconvienience.) :D

( I am actually on holiday now, forgot to tell you guys that sorry, hence my considerable absence, I will be away for about 2 weeks untill about the 7th or 8th of jan, and then i will be back with a vengeance!.)


I hope this is ok and will somebody keep an eye on my land it would be much appreciated. thanks!

No problem at all- after all, its the holidays and RL takes precedence over Earth V. Have a good one, P+H.

Indeed it does. I think that I will try and pound out a FTA with ALM

Bearing in mind that the Emirate of Alif Laam Miim cannot recognize anything that is OOC ICly...

Thyrius, your RP skills seem to be quite above-average compared to 95% of NS. I'd be more than happy to have you in Earth V. HJowever, I recall Vineyard has Cameroon, according to the claims list on the first post of this thread. But then again, that list is somewhat outdated.

Do you have any second choices for a nation or claim in case you cannot get Cameroon? As a mod, I'll be more than happy to grant you the claim as long as its reasonable.

Before you get involved in any major RP, I suggest you create a nation factbook, and maybe a bit of background RP on your nation taking power in Cameroon (or whichever nation you end up with) as an intro of sorts. Then you're good to go. Oh, by the way, you'll need to post links to your RP's here in this thread so we can find your RP's floating out there in NS and read them.

Cameroon is open - the only IC involvement was the proposed MPP that I was going to enact to prevent otherwise illegitimate invasions in African territories. As far as I know, however, Thyrius is more than welcome to establish his state in Cameroon, having already been approved by a premier :D


And a reminder that this is an OOC thread - so IC comments ought to belong here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492522

For reference, a list of Earth V relevant threads can be found here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501393

If this is all good, I'll make the adjustments ASAP

[@ Thyrius and all other prospective RPers - the official map thread is here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109 ]

If Cameroon works I would gladly take claim to it. I'll try to find that thread Alif to make sure I have anything of importance accounted for in my claiming RP. Thanks Persecution for the help if Cameroon isn't open officially I'll take your advice and ask for Kenya. But I'll wait to see if this is official before putting anything up. I'm going to work until 10:00 tonight Central time and after that I'm going to hang out with friends (I'm home from college for the Christmas) but I'll write up some factbook stuff and start my first RP tomorrow after work again if this is made official. Thanks everybody you guys are all very helpful.


And if Cameroon or Kenya are not available. Malawi will do. I can find someway to make things interesting off the bat. Oh and does anyone have a site to find the military equipment of nations such as these. I know where to find larger nations military breakups but not smaller countries other than their budget. If nobody has anything I'll make some judgment calls and give them some relatively
outdated equipment from some of the larger nations to use.



Waiting to become official!!!

The Kigali Summit on African Economic Unity (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12123011#post12123011)

Thyrius, your RP skills seem to be quite above-average compared to 95% of NS. I'd be more than happy to have you in Earth V. HJowever, I recall Vineyard has Cameroon, according to the claims list on the first post of this thread. But then again, that list is somewhat outdated.

Do you have any second choices for a nation or claim in case you cannot get Cameroon? As a mod, I'll be more than happy to grant you the claim as long as its reasonable.

Before you get involved in any major RP, I suggest you create a nation factbook, and maybe a bit of background RP on your nation taking power in Cameroon (or whichever nation you end up with) as an intro of sorts. Then you're good to go. Oh, by the way, you'll need to post links to your RP's here in this thread so we can find your RP's floating out there in NS and read them.

I blinked.

And then a TON of posts occured.

At any rate:

No.

I do not have Cameroon.

Cameroon is an Imperial 'splinter', an ex-Vineyardian Generalship rules there.

any random event for this week, TG6R?
Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Tornado

The target nation is...:

Sharina

The severity is...:

Medium

Alright then I would like to take Cameroon if at all possible. Vineyard are there any threads out there that involve Cameroon? Or anybody else do you have posts that involve Cameroon because if you do I would love to read them so I can make the best of my first post here on NS. Thanks guys.


Sits and waits for his claim to be verified/rejected.

Alright then I would like to take Cameroon if at all possible. Vineyard are there any threads out there that involve Cameroon? Or anybody else do you have posts that involve Cameroon because if you do I would love to read them so I can make the best of my first post here on NS. Thanks guys.


Sits and waits for his claim to be verified/rejected.

As I've stated earlier today, I would be more than happy to approve your claim, as you're the type of person we enjoy having in Earth V- reasonable, ambitious, good writer, and friendly.

Alright then I would like to take Cameroon if at all possible. Vineyard are there any threads out there that involve Cameroon? Or anybody else do you have posts that involve Cameroon because if you do I would love to read them so I can make the best of my first post here on NS. Thanks guys.


Sits and waits for his claim to be verified/rejected.
Verified. :)

On point of memory...


I sent a TG a couple of days ago to TG6R, but it seems that that was a bad idea...

I'm planning on starting a sort of little world football league [for those Americans and Australians who have not converted to proper semantics, that would be soccer], aptly names the Association of League International Football. Basically, it's FIFA on Earth V - and I've gotten a little scheme working for it too.

I haven't completely finished the schematics of the football league, but basically, each country has at least one national team [for those like me and UN, each constituent nation can participate, which will be helpful come along those beautiful World Cup events...] to represent that best in football playing in their country.

Instead of using years as our standard, I'm unilaterally going to use "seasons" to describe the number of cups so far. Each season will last for 4 weeks: each team competes for 2 weeks in friendlies, invitational cups, and other cups; the third week is reserved for the qualifiers ; and the fourth week is the World Cup tournament.

Since this will be the first World Cup [since the last aborted attempt], I will begin this new season on 1 January 2007 [which happens to be a Monday, my official end/start of the week]. I do have a scorinator, so the results will be semi-legitimate [if you can trust a computer to calculate scores...]. If any of you are kind enough and have your scorinators, you can start your own little leagues/friendly matches/etc and send the results to me [via TG, preferablly email, or just a whopping on a new thread to be started soon].

But anyway, this is only a suggestion, and if you guys are really interested in this, don't post a reply here!!! [I REPEAT - DON'T POST HERE!!!] Email your prospective national team with the following details:

1 - National team name [[I]simply the nation you represent]

2 - Playing Style [any number between and including -5 and 5]

3 - [optional] Playing roster [I say optional because I don't care who plays on your team at all - you could have all-stars from Barcelona or Internationale and still lose every freaking game, because the computer bases its scores on random algorithms - speaking of which, if you give your country's rank, I will automatically give you whatever is the inverse of that number for your rank, because at the moment, I don't have any ranks].

4- [optional] Mascot [I say optional because football doesn't need mascots to rouse the fans; just speak to the Irish]


Common sense: if you are representing more than one national team, submit multiples of the little application, don't clump. And by sending multiple copies, I don't mean multiple emails [I'll provide examples below]. As far as ranks go, no one has any rank. So at the moment, everyone is ranked zero. Because of this, it is equally possible that Brazil will suck at every match they play, or that Vanuatu will win the World Cup, or both, or none. So if you come arguing to me that "it's not realistic that I could lose," or especially "it's not realistic that I could lose to this person," because then I retort "oh, it's not realistic that Italy could ever beat France in the World Cup Finals." It happens - it's done. Any arguments will only make me upset. The same deal goes for the ranks that I will calculate [using a equation based off of the FIFA equation] - arguments will only serve to frustrate me. That said, if you've got proof, supply it and I'll see what changes need to be me - especially if they're substantive; because while I'm trying to intimidate the "it's not fair" crowd, I'm also trying to encourage the "it's not right" crowd - because it's quite possible that I input the a results of a game in reverse.

That said, if you're interested, you can take a look at any of the following templates [I REPEAT, TEMPLATE] to send to me, so I can account for it in my league ranks worksheet [for those of you who care to notice, my life semi-revolves around having XL worksheets do my work :D] ===

For one national team:


National team name: Alif Laam Miim

Playing Style: 2

Roster: N/A

Mascot: N/A


For two or more national teams:


National team name: Abyssinia

Playing Style: -1.1482747382757363

Roster: N/A

Mascot: N/A


National team name: Chad

Playing Style: 0

Roster: N/A

Mascot: N/A


I've spent too much time on this, but I hope that it's all good and done. Please email me at iyazemel-3@hotmail.com - it's fast, painless, and costs you nothing but time. Of course, if you don't want to join the fun, simply put, don't send me emails about how much you think this idea sucks, because I will make your life completely miserable :D]

I'm just making an already stated comment re-stated so that people know that something is available, which I hope people will enjoy and likewise apply to participate in the future fun that is a world football league :D that way, all of you people complaining that there's nothing else to do, there's this :D

Alright then I would like to take Cameroon if at all possible. Vineyard are there any threads out there that involve Cameroon? Or anybody else do you have posts that involve Cameroon because if you do I would love to read them so I can make the best of my first post here on NS. Thanks guys.


Sits and waits for his claim to be verified/rejected.

0.0

It would take hours and hours to dig those up... I conquered Cameroon a year and a half ago, and havn't done anything with it in a year, as I no longer posses it, having to restart the empire after comming back to EV.

I can tell you what I do know off the top of my head, however...

Economically:
Cameroon was a great asset of the Empire's oil production. At the time I held Most of Arabia, the balkan nations, Italy, Spain, along with Angola, Botswna, Zambia, Madagascar and Zimbabwe. And then Cameroon, a lone outpost of the Empire. As oil was being pumped overseas, the 'heartland' of the Empire made huge repositories for such oil. The Empire essentially pumped as much oil as could be had, filling domesticm needs, then sending the rest to these repositories, in the event that Imperial Europe was cut-off from its oil supply.

Other than that, Cameroon was a supply depot for the armed forces, a shipping/repair center for both trade and Imperial naval activities, and one of the 2 places Imperial Coffee was grown.


Militarily:
Cameroon was never attacked, but troops were raised from the provence at any rate. The only 3 instances where Cameroonian troops were used were probably in the doomed Brazil Expadition, The VI-Africa conflict, and (During the decline of the old empire) in Iraq, right before it 'collapsed' (AKA I went AWOL). However, a 'native' division was kept in Cameroon at all times (as in every other part of the Empire) to ensure stability in the region, and to 'tie-over' any enemy troops that may attack it until reinforcements could arrive.

As to how many troops are in that region, I honestly have no clue. But do take heart: as a former Vineyardian splinter state (Where as you did not 'attack' the state to conquer it), you have access to many Imperial Technologies and weaponry schematics.

Otherwise, if you do end up RPing that you 'attacked' Cameroon through a rebellion, uprising, invasion, or coup, the Schematics and plans would have (Logically) been burned to keep it from falling into enemy hands.

It just occured to me that Cameroon is the last former-Vineyardian splinter state that has never been attacked and conquered yet. The other states (Spain, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Angola, Madagascar, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, and Jordan all having been attacked & conquered. The Italics symbolizes nations taken over by the reborn Empire, essentially nullifying any technology-scuttling attempts as the re-born empire already possesses it all.)


Politically:
Cameroon is probably ruled by either the division commander of the Cameroon Self-Defence force (The division that is always left behind), one of his decendants, or a leuteniant. It depends what you want.

Alright thanks Vineyard. Now it's time for me to get started. I doubt I'll have much up today but tomorrow I'll be posting something up.

@ Vineyard: Your post on Oil lacked the UARCA. Central Asia has quite a bit of Oil. It wouldn't be that hard for them to ship the Oil to the Persian Gulf and ship it out. Theres also me and my Caspian and Black Sea Oil.

Not saying anything will happen. In fact I think nothing will become of this at all.

@ Vineyard: Your post on Oil lacked the UARCA. Central Asia has quite a bit of Oil. It wouldn't be that hard for them to ship the Oil to the Persian Gulf and ship it out. Theres also me and my Caspian and Black Sea Oil.

Not saying anything will happen. In fact I think nothing will become of this at all.
Well, Im not too concerned about that. Land routes wont work, as the Empire has a huge influence over Russia, controls your southern borders, and a route through Turkey will encounter the borders of GR and the Empire, both of which are hostile towards the RUN.

A water rouge through the black sea is also unfeesible, as as soon as you exit the golden horn, you run right into Imperial-Patroled waters.

As for a Persian Gulf route, that is the only route of any real concern. I din't have much in the way of assets there that can stop an oil barge, but the only real 'republic' of the RUN that such shipments could supply is Sri Lanka, which the Empire conciders to be a non-factor in the comming war. Other than that, you would have to round Africa, pass Congolese patrols, pass the straits of Gibralter, and dock on the western side of his European Territories. That would, of course, be haunted by submarines, or if not, bombed. (Not the ships, RUN's Western Dockyards.).

Well, Im not too concerned about that. Land routes wont work, as the Empire has a huge influence over Russia, controls your southern borders, and a route through Turkey will encounter the borders of GR and the Empire, both of which are hostile towards the RUN.

A water rouge through the black sea is also unfeesible, as as soon as you exit the golden horn, you run right into Imperial-Patroled waters.

As for a Persian Gulf route, that is the only route of any real concern. I din't have much in the way of assets there that can stop an oil barge, but the only real 'republic' of the RUN that such shipments could supply is Sri Lanka, which the Empire conciders to be a non-factor in the comming war. Other than that, you would have to round Africa, pass Congolese patrols, pass the straits of Gibralter, and dock on the western side of his European Territories. That would, of course, be haunted by submarines, or if not, bombed. (Not the ships, RUN's Western Dockyards.).

ships don't dock at dockyards - they dock at ports. dockyards are where ships are built - which often are specialized ports. that said, ports have docks where a ship can dock, but if a ship docks at a dockyard, it's probably there for repairs, not unloading its cargo of whatever.

just a technicality that otherwise smears a very good idea :D

speaking of that, all RSA members check the RSA thread for a possible discussion of possibilities...

I'm trying to gauge the opinions of Earth V people - is a football league association a viable option at this moment? A quick yes or no will do.

Yes [After Xmas youll find an email with my teams]

You already have my answer :)

The Kigali Summit on African Economic Unity (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12123011#post12123011)

I would attend, but...

You bashed 1/3 of my empire, the European Part, and the seat of the Empire.

Looks like your African alliance will have to make do without its Congolese 'finger'.

Oh my God, things has happened here since I was here last time...
I'll try to catch up!

On point of memory...


I sent a TG a couple of days ago to TG6R, but it seems that that was a bad idea...

I'm planning on starting a sort of little world football league [for those Americans and Australians who have not converted to proper semantics, that would be soccer], aptly names the Association of League International Football. Basically, it's FIFA on Earth V - and I've gotten a little scheme working for it too.

I haven't completely finished the schematics of the football league, but basically, each country has at least one national team [for those like me and UN, each constituent nation can participate, which will be helpful come along those beautiful World Cup events...] to represent that best in football playing in their country.

Instead of using years as our standard, I'm unilaterally going to use "seasons" to describe the number of cups so far. Each season will last for 4 weeks: each team competes for 2 weeks in friendlies, invitational cups, and other cups; the third week is reserved for the qualifiers ; and the fourth week is the World Cup tournament.

Since this will be the first World Cup [since the last aborted attempt], I will begin this new season on 1 January 2007 [which happens to be a Monday, my official end/start of the week]. I do have a scorinator, so the results will be semi-legitimate [if you can trust a computer to calculate scores...]. If any of you are kind enough and have your scorinators, you can start your own little leagues/friendly matches/etc and send the results to me [via TG, preferablly email, or just a whopping on a new thread to be started soon].

But anyway, this is only a suggestion, and if you guys are really interested in this, don't post a reply here!!! [I REPEAT - DON'T POST HERE!!!] Email your prospective national team with the following details:

1 - National team name [[I]simply the nation you represent]

2 - Playing Style [any number between and including -5 and 5]

3 - [optional] Playing roster [I say optional because I don't care who plays on your team at all - you could have all-stars from Barcelona or Internationale and still lose every freaking game, because the computer bases its scores on random algorithms - speaking of which, if you give your country's rank, I will automatically give you whatever is the inverse of that number for your rank, because at the moment, I don't have any ranks].

4- [optional] Mascot [I say optional because football doesn't need mascots to rouse the fans; just speak to the Irish]


Common sense: if you are representing more than one national team, submit multiples of the little application, don't clump. And by sending multiple copies, I don't mean multiple emails [I'll provide examples below]. As far as ranks go, no one has any rank. So at the moment, everyone is ranked zero. Because of this, it is equally possible that Brazil will suck at every match they play, or that Vanuatu will win the World Cup, or both, or none. So if you come arguing to me that "it's not realistic that I could lose," or especially "it's not realistic that I could lose to this person," because then I retort "oh, it's not realistic that Italy could ever beat France in the World Cup Finals." It happens - it's done. Any arguments will only make me upset. The same deal goes for the ranks that I will calculate [using a equation based off of the FIFA equation] - arguments will only serve to frustrate me. That said, if you've got proof, supply it and I'll see what changes need to be me - especially if they're substantive; because while I'm trying to intimidate the "it's not fair" crowd, I'm also trying to encourage the "it's not right" crowd - because it's quite possible that I input the a results of a game in reverse.

That said, if you're interested, you can take a look at any of the following templates [I REPEAT, TEMPLATE] to send to me, so I can account for it in my league ranks worksheet [for those of you who care to notice, my life semi-revolves around having XL worksheets do my work :D] ===

For one national team:


National team name: Alif Laam Miim

Playing Style: 2

Roster: N/A

Mascot: N/A


For two or more national teams:


National team name: Abyssinia

Playing Style: -1.1482747382757363

Roster: N/A

Mascot: N/A


National team name: Chad

Playing Style: 0

Roster: N/A

Mascot: N/A


I've spent too much time on this, but I hope that it's all good and done. Please email me at iyazemel-3@hotmail.com - it's fast, painless, and costs you nothing but time. Of course, if you don't want to join the fun, simply put, don't send me emails about how much you think this idea sucks, because I will make your life completely miserable :D]

My last time sending this little reminder in the hopes that the Christmas rush is over. At the moment, I've got 8 teams set in my little ranks. I'm hoping for at least 16 to have at least a mildly entertaining season. But so you guys know how I will be doing this, I'll explain it here:



Starting January 1 [MON], I will begin two weeks of games, friendlies, invitationals, et cetera. To make things fair for everyone, I'm placing a maximum cap on the number of games that people can play, only because the last time I tried this, I was swamped with hundreds of games for which I had to scorinate and calculate ranks. It was not the most entertaining time whenever I did this, but nonetheless, I'm thinking that if we have fewer teams here, we can manage something like this without the pain. That said, I'm capping the number of games played per week at 12 friendlies per team.

If any of you want to host an invitational and need me to scorinate, give me the details about how you want the invitational to run [one invitational per season], and I will scorinate. Of course, if you have a scorinator, I would like to ask you for the results of every game so I can adjust the calculations to accommodate - as such, I will also supply the playing styles for each team [if you wish to use them...].

On January 15 [MON], which concludes the two weeks of playing games, I will begin one week of qualifiers for the World Cup. I will divide people into as many groups/leagues as needed to make qualifications neat and clean to give me a set of any multiple of 8 to proceed to the World Cup.

On January 22 [MON], the World Cup begins. I will have the qualifying teams run into a group stage, with the best two running into the elimination rounds to make a stake for the World Cup.

At the moment, this is as much as I can tell you, but of course, once I get a clear idea with how many teams I will work, I'll give it to you. But until then, I will be accepting teams up until January 8, which is one week after the New Year, leaving one week for people to return from the New Year to make their place in the world ranks. That said, if you want to have this sort of fun, I strongly suggest that you join up now, because it will be some sort of crazy fun you get from cheering your favorite team, even though it's all completely calculated by a computer. And it's always amusing to see the run-ups between hard-core adversaries and long-time allies. Even if you're in last place, there is some pride in your team :D.

This one is for the RUN

I'm not sure if you remember this but do you recall the CWAA-SADR talks? The one where for the Western Sahara territory to join my alliance, I have to kill your king? I was just wondering if that is okay with you (lol). I mean I'm sure we could make this a good benefit for us both: I get Western Sahara, you lose a king (and possibly his heir) but get to quit wasting money on taking care of him. If you are okay with this, leave a reply. Danke Schone

This one is for the RUN

I'm not sure if you remember this but do you recall the CWAA-SADR talks? The one where for the Western Sahara territory to join my alliance, I have to kill your king? I was just wondering if that is okay with you (lol). I mean I'm sure we could make this a good benefit for us both: I get Western Sahara, you lose a king (and possibly his heir) but get to quit wasting money on taking care of him. If you are okay with this, leave a reply. Danke Schone

OMG, you're asking him if you can kill his HoS?

XDXDXDXDXDXDXD

I'm sure you can find some resolution with his enemies than with himself...

EDIT - that aside, it is a very polite thing to do. But unless the RUN is unusually happy on his return from the Great Smokies, he won't likely be akin to a positive response.

OOC: This is an uncompleted fact guide. I can not find anything that tells me what is in the Cameroon military so I took a bunch of old outdated French military equipment (and a few newer things so I'm not completely technologically inadequate...) Also these numbers do not apply yet but will after I post my first 2 or 3 posts in taking Cameroon. I'm not sure if I'm going to take it by force or political activism yet. Depends if I want to deal with Vineyard right away.

For the record, I was trying to develop an MDP with a number of NPC states in Africa before the debacle that was Finals, but seeing as there is now a player in Cameroon, I believe we can cultivate something worthwhile for the both of us...]

2 - Playing Style [any number between and including -5 and 5]
OK, I'm totally lost in the world of sports. What does Playing Style mean?

The only sport that I do know about is baseball (rules, playing styles, teams, competitions, etc.), basketball (easy to understand) and golf (easy to follow scoring).

I know absouletely nothing about soccer, football, rugby, etc.

The only things that I really need are your team name and a playing style number - the rest is just fillers that you may or may not want to do.

But basically, the playing style number is something that the scorinator uses to determine how aggressive or defensive a team would play. The more positive a number is, the more attacking the team is calculated to be; the lower the number, the more defensive the team is calculated to be. 0 [zero] is a neutral territory, which is just as attacking and defensive.

In all truth, if just give me a team name and a number between -5 and 5, I'll take care of the rest.

So whose all in this here football thing?

The only things that I really need are your team name and a playing style number - the rest is just fillers that you may or may not want to do.

But basically, the playing style number is something that the scorinator uses to determine how aggressive or defensive a team would play. The more positive a number is, the more attacking the team is calculated to be; the lower the number, the more defensive the team is calculated to be. 0 [zero] is a neutral territory, which is just as attacking and defensive.

In all truth, if just give me a team name and a number between -5 and 5, I'll take care of the rest.

Hmm...

Here's my soccer team name:

Technocrats

Here's the team's basic playing style:

60% aggressive
40% defensive

Hope this helps.

So whose all in this here football thing?

In the meantime...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511899

Hmm...

Here's my soccer team name:

Technocrats

Here's the team's basic playing style:

60% aggressive
40% defensive

Hope this helps.

I did mention to send a email, but I'm here now.

For your playing style, I'm going to give you a "1" since it's not too aggressive. The scorinator only allows for a number between "-5" and "5" including the two, so I think "1" fits you well.

Hello everyone in the Earth V world. I have been away for a bit because of my internet being down but I will try to get to wifi network as soon as I can. I am still active I just will not be able to respond asap to matters. If anyone has any matters that they would need me to respond to please leave my an off line IM on yahoo and I will get it and respond asap to your matter. Thank you very much.

I did mention to send a email, but I'm here now.

For your playing style, I'm going to give you a "1" since it's not too aggressive. The scorinator only allows for a number between "-5" and "5" including the two, so I think "1" fits you well.

Whoops! Must have missed the e-mail part.

Welcome back, Military Command.

So here's the spiel on the OITT [Organization of International Trade and Tariffs]:

This whole thing started with the conflict in the Americas thing, and I called the RSA in to decide on a policy that we could pursue. Vineyard suggested that we not trade with the RUN at a bare minimum - to which I replied, well, of course no one has approached me about my oil. Kopparbergs then suggested that we make a oil trade consortium to regulate the oil trade. I said that we'd need something to monitor other important markets. And Vineyard came in and said, "let's do it all!" [slightly paraphrased...] - to which I replied, "Brilliant!" [slightly paraphrased again...]. So the summation of this discussion is an inconclusive RSA policy on the Americas conflict but a sure idea about what to do with trade and economy.


In this setting - an unbiased, unaffiliated, non-profit organization sets and orders our trade relations with the world. In it, we declare all of our national products, industries, and resources available to us [taken from CIA of course]. At the moment, we do not do anything with the import partners and et cetera, because IC developments will help us determine those things in due time. But anyway, whatever your country can make, you can export. At the same time, you can manage whatever you need for your country [oil being the prime example at the moment...] and seek out a possible trading partner that will be willing to trade with you.

For example - The Great Sixth Reich has a large supply of cars [manufactured of course], but need iron and coal to help with its production. Asian China has a large iron and coal repository, but wants to have cars for its struggling infrastructure network. The two can arrange for a trade [via currency exchange or trade value exchange] so TG6R can have his iron and coal, and China can have his cars. Extremely simplified at the moment, but I'm hoping that the extensions and networks that will form out of this will burgeon an extensive trade network that will add to the realism in Earth V [after all, you can only go to war if you have the resources with which to wage it]. It adds another complexity, but for the moment, I think that we can satisfy ourselves with this development.

So, that whole big discussion comes to the what I need from you:

Taken straight from the CIA:

*Agriculure - products
*Industries
*Electricity:
>>>Production
>>>Consumption
*Oil:
>>>Production
>>>Consumption
*Natural Gas:
>>>Production
>>>Consumption

In order to manage this effectively, I am going to ask that each country will supply their own submission of these details wrested from the CIA World Factbook (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html) to the OITT Main Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512459). I will supply an example in that thread, once I have completed those details for my country.

I'm asking for these details ASAP, although judging from the activity here, it mght be a while before we effectively have any sort of trading working here.

How would people like me, who control only a portion of country find out that information.

So here's the spiel on the OITT [Organization of International Trade and Tariffs]:

This whole thing started with the conflict in the Americas thing, and I called the RSA in to decide on a policy that we could pursue. Vineyard suggested that we not trade with the RUN at a bare minimum - to which I replied, well, of course no one has approached me about my oil. Kopparbergs then suggested that we make a oil trade consortium to regulate the oil trade. I said that we'd need something to monitor other important markets. And Vineyard came in and said, "let's do it all!" [slightly paraphrased...] - to which I replied, "Brilliant!" [slightly paraphrased again...]. So the summation of this discussion is an inconclusive RSA policy on the Americas conflict but a sure idea about what to do with trade and economy.


In this setting - an unbiased, unaffiliated, non-profit organization sets and orders our trade relations with the world. In it, we declare all of our national products, industries, and resources available to us [taken from CIA of course]. At the moment, we do not do anything with the import partners and et cetera, because IC developments will help us determine those things in due time. But anyway, whatever your country can make, you can export. At the same time, you can manage whatever you need for your country [oil being the prime example at the moment...] and seek out a possible trading partner that will be willing to trade with you.

For example - The Great Sixth Reich has a large supply of cars [manufactured of course], but need iron and coal to help with its production. Asian China has a large iron and coal repository, but wants to have cars for its struggling infrastructure network. The two can arrange for a trade [via currency exchange or trade value exchange] so TG6R can have his iron and coal, and China can have his cars. Extremely simplified at the moment, but I'm hoping that the extensions and networks that will form out of this will burgeon an extensive trade network that will add to the realism in Earth V [after all, you can only go to war if you have the resources with which to wage it]. It adds another complexity, but for the moment, I think that we can satisfy ourselves with this development.

So, that whole big discussion comes to the what I need from you:

Taken straight from the CIA:

*Agriculure - products
*Industries
*Electricity:
>>>Production
>>>Consumption
*Oil:
>>>Production
>>>Consumption
*Natural Gas:
>>>Production
>>>Consumption

In order to manage this effectively, I am going to ask that each country will supply their own submission of these details wrested from the CIA World Factbook (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html) to the OITT Main Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512459). I will supply an example in that thread, once I have completed those details for my country.

I'm asking for these details ASAP, although judging from the activity here, it mght be a while before we effectively have any sort of trading working here.

I really like this idea. However, I may have an enormous problem with doing this for my nation.

You see, I have 63 "states", while most other players only have 2 to 5 "nations". And half of my "states" are former US states, and I don't believe the CIA factbook breaks down the US by individual states. Overall, it could very well take me forever to find out all the resources I own.

I do know I have substantial oil, uranium, metals, ores, manufactured goods, hydro power, etc. though. But no exact amounts for reasons stated above.

I really like this idea. However, I may have an enormous problem with doing this for my nation.

You see, I have 63 "states", while most other players only have 2 to 5 "nations". And half of my "states" are former US states, and I don't believe the CIA factbook breaks down the US by individual states. Overall, it could very well take me forever to find out all the resources I own.

I do know I have substantial oil, uranium, metals, ores, manufactured goods, hydro power, etc. though. But no exact amounts for reasons stated above.
Ill help you out.

This will really bring in the Economic Factor in Earth-V. Finally!

Ok, how do you want to divide the states? Because im just going to help you, im not about to do 'it all'.

At any rate, i think we can take what the USA exports, find the states that you do not posess (There are a few, am I right?) and factor out those exports, because Imports will probably remain the same, minus the exports of the excluded states.


EDIT: Here we go!

ECONOMICS 201 RESEARCH GUIDE FOR TRACKING STATE ECONOMIES

Here are some Internet sites to use when looking for information about state economies. Be sure to allow enough time to look around in the web site to find information, it usually will not show up as soon as you enter a site.

The Census Bureau http://www.census.gov
-American Factfinder can choose economic characteristics, by state
-Business

-Economic Census
-Government

Special Topics
American Community Survey select a state and then the characteristics
-Related Sites
-State Data Centers
-FedStats

The Commerce Department http://www.commerce.gov
-Site Map
-Bureau of Economic Analysis http://www.bea.gov

The Federal Reserve http://www.federalreserve.gov
-Economic Research and Data

The Bureau of Labor Statistics http://www.bls.gov

EDIT2: Ok, not really working. I get numbers, revenues, incomes, but no materials, what is being exported and what is being imported..

I.E. http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/state/country/2004/alcty04.pdf


EDIT3: BINGO!!

This is what you do.

http://www.census.gov/
-American factfinder
--Select a state (In this case alabama)
---On the left, go down to "Buisness and Government". Click 'Forign Trade" In menu that appears.
----Click 'State exports by commidity"

Then, taking these, combined with other export products from your other states, you eliminate exports (so long as no other state/states not in your posession are the only ones to produce the product.

You are very welcome!

So here's the spiel on the OITT [Organization of International Trade and Tariffs]:
GREAT!! Exactly what I wanted! I'll start to make my figures ASAP.

This will serve as an example, figures for Israel:

ISRAEL

Oil (bbl/day)
>> Production: 2,740
>> Consumption: 270,100
SUM: -267,360

Electricity (billion kWh)
>> Production: 44.24
>> Consumption: 39.67
SUM: +4.57

Natural Gas (million cu m)
>> Production: 200
>> Consumption: 200
SUM: 0

Proved reserves
Oil: 1.92 million bbl
Natural Gas: 38.94 billion cu m

Agriculture - products
citrus, vegetables, cotton; beef, poultry, dairy products

Industries
High-technology projects (including aviation, communications, computer-aided design and manufactures, medical electronics, fiber optics), wood and paper products, potash and phosphates, food, beverages, and tobacco, caustic soda, cement, construction, metals products, chemical products, plastics, diamond cutting, textiles, footwear

Note: I'll add The West Bank and the Gaza Strip to this figures, this is just an example.

---

Are you satisfied with something like this, ALM?

GREAT!! Exactly what I wanted! I'll start to make my figures ASAP.

This will serve as an example, figures for Israel:

ISRAEL

Oil (bbl/day)
>> Production: 2,740
>> Consumption: 270,100
SUM: -267,360

Electricity (billion kWh)
>> Production: 44.24
>> Consumption: 39.67
SUM: +4.57

Natural Gas (million cu m)
>> Production: 200
>> Consumption: 200
SUM: 0

Proved reserves
Oil: 1.92 million bbl
Natural Gas: 38.94 billion cu m

Agriculture - products
citrus, vegetables, cotton; beef, poultry, dairy products

Industries
High-technology projects (including aviation, communications, computer-aided design and manufactures, medical electronics, fiber optics), wood and paper products, potash and phosphates, food, beverages, and tobacco, caustic soda, cement, construction, metals products, chemical products, plastics, diamond cutting, textiles, footwear

Note: I'll add The West Bank and the Gaza Strip to this figures, this is just an example.

---

Are you satisfied with something like this, ALM?

I am, except that I did mention that I would make an example... but thanks for being the guinea pig anyway!!!


So the problem with some people... they don't own the whole territory of the country they occupy [prime examples: China, Iran, USA]. First of all, it's not easy, especially if you've got 3043829 countries lodged into your cloak, because it's going to be a while at CIA getting details for the countries that you do own. For those that you don't own completely, it gets more difficult. Sharina has a lot of luck owning part of the USA, since a lot of economics and resources are readily available for US territories. If you're lucky, you can spot those details on Wiki.

But to solve the greater problem on a much simpler plane, here's a calculation that won't be completely realistic, but it's at least useful and accurate.

For your production of natural resources [oil, natural gas, metals, timbers, etc...], take the whole number of the production; divide your territorial share of the country by the total territory; multiply your production figure by the quotient of your country/total country share.

What you should get is a number that represents - all being equal - if your country had equal spreads of the resource in question across the entire country. It's not completely realistic, but it's accurate to use.


For the production of artificial goods [industry, electricity, anything that can't be extracted from the ground...], you take the whole number of the production; divide your population by the total population of the country; multiply the production by the your population/total population share.

This number represents - all being equal - the amount produced if the industrial resources were spread evenly across the country according to population. This number is more accurate and realistic compared to the figures for natural resource production, but again, it's not completely representative.

If you need examples for this, I can conjure some examples really quickly, but only if I'm around to do it...




THAT SAID, if you've got contiguous zones [states that are fused into one network], it would be much better if you submitted resource requirements for those zones only! Otherwise, we might as well copy and paste the CIA World Factbook site into threads. For myself, I'm going to be submitting three separate trade details - one for ALM, one for Chad, and one for Abyssinia. It's much easier to manage in bulk detail, and there's no point to submitting import needs for resources that your country can supply for itself [of course, there is also the problem of getting numbers for these...].

That's all for now - I'll post up later with more details if need be.

Ok so I control roughly 19% of Iran's Landmass and roughly 47% of it's Population. A little tightly packed, but oh well.

Ok so I control roughly 19% of Iran's Landmass and roughly 47% of it's Population. A little tightly packed, but oh well.
That means you control 47% of Iran's Service Industry, and 19% of Iran's resources.

Hmm.

I do know that I control the majority of the US industry and resources. I have roughly 1/2 of the Mid-West, whole of the West Seaboard, and whole of New England. I control Pennslvania with its coal and steel stuff, I have lots of food from the Mid-West I do control, I do have the Canada Oil Sands, I have the diamonds from Canada (the new Ekati mines), I have substantial metals from Alaska and the Rocky Mountains, I have uranium from Canada, titanium ore from California, copper from the deserts of Arizona and New Mexico, coffee and tropic foods (bananas, oranges, sugar, etc.) from the Caribbean and Latin America, and so on.

Thanks for the info, Vineyard, but its still gonna be a hell of a time collecting, sorting, and double-checking info for 63 seperate states / "nations" (half of them are US states).

Uh-oh.

Problem.

If you guys hadn't known, the DRC in today's world is almoast a failed state, with the DRC being badly divided and conflict riden. It is in short, the poorest african country, but also has the potential to be one of the richest countries in the world due to its rich resources.

In short: The DRC has little Industry, and little electrical production in todays world.

Primarily because people run around with guns shooting the bejesus out of eachother.

The east country of today is highly insecure, with Rwandan and Ugandan backed armies clashing with the DRC's army and against Hutu rebels.

But in Earth V, I mentioned in RPs cleaning our the rebel and forign troops out of the DRC, and modernizing the country. In short: I brought increaced industry, the state cracked down and took control of all resources, and has since then pacified the province and turned it into one of the most productive assets in the Empire.

So... how do we calculate these factors..?

Uh-oh.

Problem.

If you guys hadn't known, the DRC in today's world is almoast a failed state, with the DRC being badly divided and conflict riden. It is in short, the poorest african country, but also has the potential to be one of the richest countries in the world due to its rich resources.

In short: The DRC has little Industry, and little electrical production in todays world.

Primarily because people run around with guns shooting the bejesus out of eachother.

The east country of today is highly insecure, with Rwandan and Ugandan backed armies clashing with the DRC's army and against Hutu rebels.

But in Earth V, I mentioned in RPs cleaning our the rebel and forign troops out of the DRC, and modernizing the country. In short: I brought increaced industry, the state cracked down and took control of all resources, and has since then pacified the province and turned it into one of the most productive assets in the Empire.

So... how do we calculate these factors..?

Something that I've been trying to figure out, as I've got something of my own on the home front. I've been trying to modernize Chad and Abyssinia as substituent states of ALM, which are in RL perhaps worse off than Congo. That said, I'm certain that people in less-developed regions will want to develop their own strong industry, which means CIA is going to lose its validity once people start RPing industry developments.

And there's one very important thing that CIA is missing in its declarations - quantity. Egypt is shown has having a vibrant agrian sector, which in RL is rather stable. However, ironically, one of its principal imports is foodstuff, which means that despite having a vibrant agrian sector, I would still need to import food from elsewhere. So at the moment, I'm trying to find a site that contains information and details on the trade statistics for each state, to determine how much of each we'd have for sale and how much we'd need, because nearly everyone is going to have an agricultural society - the question asks only how much.



That said, I never said this was going to be an easy march through hell.

OTTO VON HIENKEL ROMMEL
For clarification, "Otto Rommel von Heinkel" is the full legal name of my head of state. There's lots of variations of the spelling throughout Earth V history, but von Heinkel is the only one that makes sense since Ludo (von) Heinkel is Otto von Heinkel's brother.

sorry about the spelling, I was trying to figure it out, but nothing was absolutely conclusive...


on a more positive note, the Association of League International Football now has 14 official teams. If you really want a knack at the World Cup, join in and have some fun! The earlier, the better [at least earlier when it comes to Jan 1...].

Remember to email me [iyazemel-3@hotmail.com], don't post here unless you also post a picture of a guy doing a Lapp dance on table in front of three guys eating sushi in Mexico City at dusk [no photoshop...]

sorry about the spelling, I was trying to figure it out, but nothing was absolutely conclusive...
Considering I've been spelling it the way you did for over 1,000 posts, I can see why. :)

Well, I kinda goofed when I said we have 14 teams up when I should have said 13 [because of reasons of interpretation...], but now we have 16 teams...


Anyway, the season will commence officially 01JAN2007 at 0000GMT. I will create a thread for the football thing and hopefully, we'll have some matches played out tomorrow.

[ooc: the above deleted post belongs to puppet of mine, so don't mind it; I'm just keeping things in their place...]

It's January 1 - expect a new thread where you can pose challenges to your friends, fiends, et al.... until then, I sleep...

I've started to make an offsite Earth-V World Factbook.

This is really a first sketch, but you may look at it and tell me what you think!

The factbook is here (http://oabv.com/) (I had a 4-letter .com-domain unused, so I placed it there).

When it's done you'll be able to log in and edit the figures for your own nation, such as the RL-based population. The budget calculation is done the same way as on nseconomy.thirdgeek.com (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php) (I looked at the source code), and as much as possible is retrieved by the NationStates XML-feed.

I think we can have great use of this tool when it's ready.

PLEASE, reply in THIS THREAD (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512960), not in this general ooc-thread (don't wan't to clutter this down).

As I promised - the thread is set-up, ready to run.

Those who have not yet applied are encouraged to do so before the application dead-line ends next Monday!!!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512967

[for football purposes... submit your applications via email to iyazemel-3@hotmail.com ]

OOC: I am changing my claim from Belarus to Pakistan and Afghanistan. Thank you.

OOC: I am changing my claim from Belarus to Pakistan and Afghanistan. Thank you.

Yay!

Wait.. what about Turkey?

OOC: I am changing my claim from Belarus to Pakistan and Afghanistan. Thank you.
It's not that easy...it needs to be IC, since you're already a member.

It's not that easy...it needs to be IC, since you're already a member.

I concur.

It would be like TGSR just deciding to up and abandon his Germany claim and then set up shop in, say, Australia or Madasacgar. Or if I decided to give up my territory in the Americas and RP as, say, Sweden or Taiwan.

CWAA forces have declared war on Togo and Benin as reprisal for a terrorist attack on a police station, mosque, and hospital in Burkina Faso. I think I need someone to RP Togolese forces so it isnt totally one sided.

It's not that easy...it needs to be IC, since you're already a member.

Don't worry. I'll make an IC thread about it.

Also, I TGed you.

A question...who ownes, if anybody, Bioko Isle? I smell a conquest....

A question...who ownes, if anybody, Bioko Isle? I smell a conquest....
Republic of United Nations is controlling it right now, as it's a part of Equatorial Guinea. We had a litte fight over it, and the Kingdom of Kopparbergs and RUN came to an acceptable agreement.
But OOC I'm not totally satisfied with him having control over that island right in my backyard. :)

Aw darn. Are there any other unclaimed Islands around there?

Your invasion of Togo is hardly started and you're already thinking of further conquests?

Aw darn. Are there any other unclaimed Islands around there?
I think São Tomé and Príncipe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A3o_Tom%C3%A9_and_Pr%C3%ADncipe) are unclaimed, but I'm really not sure... I cannot remember someone taking control over it though.

cool, thanks. Oh by the way, did you get my message in Reprisal?

Now that the holidays are over with, and I'm back full time, does anybody have any good military websites with the locations of RL military bases in the Americas? I need to work on an in-depth military stuff for ALM and the war when United Earthlings gets back.

In addition, it was brought to my attention that Vineyard or someone is asking about Military Command's conquest of England without good RP for it. I'd like some clarification on this.

is there a public version of that spreadsheet with like a tutorial.
id love to get organized but im lazy/busy/kidding on the last part as heck.

I concur.

It would be like TGSR just deciding to up and abandon his Germany claim and then set up shop in, say, Australia or Madasacgar. Or if I decided to give up my territory in the Americas and RP as, say, Sweden or Taiwan.

I've told him that he was running the risk that he was going to be dropped from Earth V due to inactivity - seeing his frustration being landlocked with little RP opportunities, I offered him a change [which means he technically starts over as a new country...], at the condition that he run an extensive RP for its takeover. I'd like to think that that part of the agreement is currently undertaken in full gratitude for the change.

CWAA forces have declared war on Togo and Benin as reprisal for a terrorist attack on a police station, mosque, and hospital in Burkina Faso. I think I need someone to RP Togolese forces so it isnt totally one sided.

First of all, that's IC. Secondly, that's a war with Benin, which equals a war with Kopparbergs, who signed an MDP with them when he took-over Nigeria.

Now that the holidays are over with, and I'm back full time, does anybody have any good military websites with the locations of RL military bases in the Americas? I need to work on an in-depth military stuff for ALM and the war when United Earthlings gets back.

In addition, it was brought to my attention that Vineyard or someone is asking about Military Command's conquest of England without good RP for it. I'd like some clarification on this.

For one, always start with the absolute source [ www.army.mil ] - they have pretty much everything that isn't secret there. Secondly, I've heard very little about the England conquest, but from what I see in the IC thread, there's talks in France about invading Scottish and Irish realms, which hopefully does not prelude the conflict in Americas at all...

is there a public version of that spreadsheet with like a tutorial.
id love to get organized but im lazy/busy/kidding on the last part as heck.

tutorial? You know, that's funny because I made a PPT tutorial for my Chinese professor last semester in PPT format :D... oh yeah, I'm tech savvy :D [not tech nerdy like those people who can annihilate the Internet with a switch of the script codes...]


update... all new football requests are permitted to make their applications to join the Association at the Main Thread for the Football Association, since my email server is slower than expected... [I received Candi's email just moments ago in my junk box...] This statement will appear the same thread...

Speaking of contested conquests, what's been done about China?

And INdochina?

Samtonia hasn't been on for awhile. Holidays.

As for Indochina, I am at a loss.

OOC:

I would like to freeze all new invasions within Europe and possibly Africa until the American War is resolved. This will do two things- first, ensure that players don't gain more territory, "population", "money", "resources", etc. prior to the actual fighting in the Americas (when UE comes back). Second, it will make it far easier to keep track of what's happening, as the American War will be a quite major event in Earth V, and having several other wars and invasions happening at once will only further confuse everybody.

However, I might be inclined to allow these small scale invasions and wars to continue during the America War if there's another neutral player like ALM who is willing to step up and become a second war mod whose duty will be to keep track of these minor invasions and conquests while ALM handles the America War.

Either way, after the America War, we should be able to revert to our usual invasion, mini-war, conquest, etc. RP's as they will be far more manageable than a war that will most likely span three or even four continents (N. America, S. America, Europe, and Africa).

In response, I'd tend to agree, since if you're participating in the war - you'd best spend your attention on what really matters. But in any case, if the side conflicts are allowed to continue, I maintain that they will not in any way prelude the conflict in the Americas, since by several decrees concerning the conflict, time is officially "frozen" to allow the RP to continue in a manner that permits the conflict to be resolved without "upgrades" - meaning what you have at the time of those declarations is what you have now , if only to be fair to all players.

If you're not involved in the conflict at all, please continue your affairs, realizing that once you become involved, you will revert to your military stats predating the decrees establishing the time freeze. That said, all parties participating in the conflict must make their official commitments before they can contribute the war, declaring all [I]involved troops [i.e. those troops that have been mobilized to address the threat, unless you're completely mobilizing...]. My spiel, an addendum to Sharina's spiel.

Indochina = Slowly Progressing. I know i havent been updating constantly but ill have a post up tonight and hopefully get back into it.

Xmas and so forth really put me out of the groove.

If you're not involved in the conflict at all, please continue your affairs, realizing that once you become involved, you will revert to your military stats predating the decrees establishing the time freeze. That said, all parties participating in the conflict must make their official commitments before they can contribute the war, declaring all involved troops [i.e. those troops that have been mobilized to address the threat, unless you're completely mobilizing...]. My spiel, an addendum to Sharina's spiel.

OOC:

This is exactly the problem I'm speaking of. It will be confusing for the players who get involved, as they'd be working with two sets of stats, their America War stats and their "non-America" post-invasion / conquest stats. Besides, if they get involved in the America War, they could lose territory during the war that they otherwise possess by not getting involved in the America War, further screwing up the final "stats".

The confusion keeps piling on in this manner, and becomes a big tangled mess. This is why I prefer to put all non-American invasions on hold until after the America War, so that players won't have to deal with a huge tangle of stats, "what if's", "what have's", "what changes", etc.

Attention

Well, I'm officially back. I have caught up on a little bit of what I missed. Though, I have only managed to go through this thread so far. I do plan to read the others. I see that I missed some interesting things, including a new player joining. Always a plus, another nation in Africa is sure to spice things up. I also saw I have a few replies that were addressed to me why I was gone and I will try to get to those replies in the next few days as time permits.

I hope you all had a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. It's good to be back, however I am missing those cool temperatures. :( After over two weeks of 40's, 50's and 60's; I now have to readjust to 70's and 80's. I leave the Great Smoky Mountains it's in the 40's, I arrive home and it's 85 in January. Did someone still the winter why I was gone, because it was in the 60's when I left?

Anyway, time for some foreshadowing. I had a feeling the upcoming Hurricane Season was going to be bad, now I'm convinced. So, when it does finally start and I disappear for a week or two for no reason. I'm still active, I've just been deprived of the much needed electricity. If, anyone was in Florida in 2004 or on the Gulf Coast in 2006, they'll know what I'm talking about.

In, closing this paragraph I leave you all with a little mystery to ponder. Why does it always rain when I travel through Gainesville, Florida. Time does not matter, whether it be early morning or late afternoon or what month it is.

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This one is for the RUN

I'm not sure if you remember this but do you recall the CWAA-SADR talks? The one where for the Western Sahara territory to join my alliance, I have to kill your king? I was just wondering if that is okay with you (lol). I mean I'm sure we could make this a good benefit for us both: I get Western Sahara, you lose a king (and possibly his heir) but get to quit wasting money on taking care of him. If you are okay with this, leave a reply. Danke Schone

I do recall the thread, a short one to be exact. I haven't written off the possibility of doing that RP. However, a question remains for you. Are you prepared for the unintended consequences that could result? The King is a very Public figure in real life. Why he or she (in that case she being the Queen) don't hold much if any power over the affairs of the nation, their influence is felt in other ways. Killing a King is not exactly going to be easy nor is it going to be a quiet affair.

However, as I said. The RP is worth pursuing and I'm willing to give it a go and play it by moment by moment. Isn't that the whole point of being here on NS, to RolePlay and have fun. :D

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Now that the holidays are over with, and I'm back full time, does anybody have any good military websites with the locations of RL military bases in the Americas? I need to work on an in-depth military stuff for ALM and the war when United Earthlings gets back.

In addition, it was brought to my attention that Vineyard or someone is asking about Military Command's conquest of England without good RP for it. I'd like some clarification on this.

Sense, it's been two weeks how goes that military stuff I asked for. If, you need more time, that's not a problem as I'm not in a hurry. Also, if you need any help I know much about some of that stuff. You'd been amazed on how many sites and books I've come across.

As to MC's invasion of England, I would also like some clarification on that. I have contacted him numerous times about that issue, but as of yet haven't gotten a response. Though, him not having a permeant internet connection at the moment will differently make getting an answer from him/her on that issue not easy. But, then there are other means- (Unless he/she is over 18 and willing to submit the information, the following examples are not exactly going to work or be helpful.) There's always the Telephone and the standard send a letter by the Post Office.

Now that the holidays are over with, and I'm back full time, does anybody have any good military websites with the locations of RL military bases in the Americas? I need to work on an in-depth military stuff for ALM and the war when United Earthlings gets back.
This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_military_bases) covers the United States, but not the rest.

since these challenges are seemingly passing unacknowledged by people involved with them...


The following challenges are offered:


Chad vs Sharina
Chad vs TG6R
Chad vs Vineyard

UCR-Iran, I will play a match with you.

The Tanzanian National Team welcomes its fellow charter teams to the Serigeti Invitational Tournament. The winner will get a large cup, a traveling, which will be engraved with the roster of the victorious team, and a cash prize of 3 million dollars. The field may grow as seasons go on, but the tournament directors encourage the inagural invitees to sign on for a period of five years, in order to ensure the prestige of the tournament.

Bamako
Candistan West African Alliance
Schenectady
Southern Sardinia
Midway Islands
Maldives
East Timor

The Tanzanian National Team would also like to invite Kopperbargs Africa, Abyssina, and Chad to a match tourament, to crown "The King of Africa." Each nation will host a match, throughout the ALIF season, and at the end of the season, the champion will be crowned and granted bragging rights for the rest of the year.

Attention
*snippets*

Welcome back... there's a mess waiting for you... literally...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511856

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511493

Take you time to make yourself back at ease with the rest of the world of NS, and enjoy your f****ing 80 degree weather... [no, that's not a vulgar term, but it's still one worth guessing...]

Sense, it's been two weeks how goes that military stuff I asked for. If, you need more time, that's not a problem as I'm not in a hurry. Also, if you need any help I know much about some of that stuff. You'd been amazed on how many sites and books I've come across.

As to MC's invasion of England, I would also like some clarification on that. I have contacted him numerous times about that issue, but as of yet haven't gotten a response. Though, him not having a permeant internet connection at the moment will differently make getting an answer from him/her on that issue not easy. But, then there are other means- (Unless he/she is over 18 and willing to submit the information, the following examples are not exactly going to work or be helpful.) There's always the Telephone and the standard send a letter by the Post Office.

It's good to have you back, UE.

I understand. Its just that I was kinda busy over the holidays as well, so I didn't exactly have countless hours to pore through military bases and deployments. However, I do have a rough sketch of what I have in mind for deployments so that ALM will have a good idea, and we can finally start our interesting conflict.

With the websites TGSR has offered, I should have the US portion done within a day or two. The others (Mexico, Canada, Colombia, Cuba, etc.) will probably take longer.

I'd like to have several RP's resolved before we proceed with the America War.

1. My own RP regarding Haiti, Dominician Republic, and Puerto Rico.
2. Military Command's RP regarding England
3. UE's RP regarding Sweden and Bangledesh
4. The various African RP's.

I need to have these RP's resolved. The national stats of the nations involved will remain frozen until after the America War, though. In other words, I won't gain new population, resources, or "stats" from Haiti, DC, or PR until the war with RUN finishes. Same goes for RUN's invasion of Sweden and Bangledesh (stats won't be counted / factored in until America War finishes), and same for Military Command's acquistion of England. And so forth.

Besides, several of these RP's should be happening at the same time as the America War timeline-wise. Take my invasion of the Caribbean- that's one major part of the impeding America War RP. Same could be said for Africa as it may become a battleground between Vineyard and RUN. The RUN's invasion of Sweden may run into problems as well for the same reasons. And so on.

I'm trying to be as fair as I can, but at the same time, not cancel or "erase" what has already happened RP-wise.

I want to let you guys know I'm still here. I can't do much in way of roleplay right now until the war between Sharina and United Earthlings is finished. I'm smack dab right next to Sharina and United Earthlings in South America and I can't see any roleplay opporunities as I was told that Sharina froze time for roleplays. Is this true?

NEVER!!!!

There is always something to do, even if it means doing it with yourself!!!


:fluffle:

sketchy...


But not that I do that...:rolleyes:... there's also the matter of a new football association, in which I am trying to get more people involved - with the aim to have the whole world cheering and rooting for their team. The main thread is here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512967

Since it is semi-IC [not SIC], it is largely unaffected by the events occuring in RL [with minor exceptions...].

SEEING AS THE DEADLINE FOR SEASON 1 APPLICATIONS ENDS THIS SUNDAY, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THOSE WHO ARE CURRENTLY NOT MEMBERS OF THE ASSOCIATION TO JOIN NOW!!!

Reasons why?

1 - It's free! [except for the marginal ICly costs that almost no one can care look at...]

2 - It goes with you wherever and whenever! [except for me...]

3 - If you have nothing else to do, challenge someone to a match! [as long as someone with a scorinator is present and the person challenged accepts the challenge - and I always accept a challenge, unless I've reached my cap...]

4 - It's harmless! [except for those occasional post-match riots in Dublin... but no one owns Dublin yet...]

5 - IT'S FOOTBALL! [Soccer for the American enthusiasts who still aren't convinced that the American variety has almost nothing to do with feet]

So send me a post [at the appointed thread!!!] or email me [ iyazemel-3@hotmail.com ] with the stats that I request on the thread!




ALSO!!!! For the three people I have implicitly contacted, there are challenges awaiting your national teams!!!!!!!!!!!! Please reply to them ASAP in the football thread!!!

Welcome back... there's a mess waiting for you... literally...

Take you time to make yourself back at ease with the rest of the world of NS, and enjoy your f****ing 80 degree weather... [no, that's not a vulgar term, but it's still one worth guessing...]

I'm aware of that mess, I'm worried about the ones you guys have hidden. :p

BTW, the vulgar terms fits perfectly. I love 60's degree weather, it's the best. At least I can look on the bright side. I'm not stuck in 4 inches of snow. Poor Poor Denver.

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I'd like to have several RP's resolved before we proceed with the America War.

1. My own RP regarding Haiti, Dominician Republic, and Puerto Rico.
2. Military Command's RP regarding England
3. UE's RP regarding Sweden and Bangledesh
4. The various African RP's.

I need to have these RP's resolved. The national stats of the nations involved will remain frozen until after the America War, though. In other words, I won't gain new population, resources, or "stats" from Haiti, DC, or PR until the war with RUN finishes. Same goes for RUN's invasion of Sweden and Bangledesh (stats won't be counted / factored in until America War finishes), and same for Military Command's acquistion of England. And so forth.

Besides, several of these RP's should be happening at the same time as the America War timeline-wise. Take my invasion of the Caribbean- that's one major part of the impeding America War RP. Same could be said for Africa as it may become a battleground between Vineyard and RUN. The RUN's invasion of Sweden may run into problems as well for the same reasons. And so on.

I'm trying to be as fair as I can, but at the same time, not cancel or "erase" what has already happened RP-wise.

Only one minor point and I'm glad you took my advice. I agree with you on Sweden and the others. However, I started the one with Bangladesh a long long long time before the American war was given a glint in anyone's eyes. Time wise it is frozen about God I don't even know, 5-6 years back at least in game time. Just to give you an idea. I've gone through two new names in the months I had to put that RP on hold due to other commitments and time constants. When, I started that RP I was the United Netherlands, then the Iberian Netherlands and now the Republic of United Nations. I was a very different nation then and I think that should be reflected.

My last official IC post for that thread was on 24-09-2006, 9:16 AM

Though I did edit it on 13-11-2006 at 1:59 PM for typing errors I did not change the majority of the post.

Here is the link-http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11724807&postcount=2

So, thank you for the Love of God for letting me finish it up. And now to my last point. Whatever, I decide I think that Bangladesh should indeed be counted (it's population, resources, "stats" so on) because of it taking place so long ago. Plenty of time for a nation to rebuild.

If, others have started a RP long ago and never had time to finish it. I will agree to whatever outcome they come up with. I would hope that they will agree with my mine. Does anyone else have active Roleplays as out of date as I do? I'm really hoping I'm not the only one.

Again, I only make this point with Bangladesh and not with Sweden. As I agree with you it is taking place around the same time if not in fact at exactly the same time.

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I want to let you guys know I'm still here. I can't do much in way of roleplay right now until the war between Sharina and United Earthlings is finished. I'm smack dab right next to Sharina and United Earthlings in South America and I can't see any roleplay opporunities as I was told that Sharina froze time for roleplays. Is this true?

You could join the war or just invade a nation not claimed. Bolivia comes to mind. If, were to busy fighting each other you'll have an easy going claiming small weak nations. So, you have Roleplay opportunities, they are what you make it.

I would argue against including Bangladesh, not on account of progression, but on account of completion.

I know this is a project started way back when [I believe before Azaha left us for the Navy...], so it's been a while since we've done anything with it. But of course, a mon avis, a conquest shouldn't count on account that it was started a time well in advance of many other projects - the principal one in question being the conflict in the Americas. Vineyard's situation in Iraq has likewise started from a long time back [not as long as others...], but like you, he has yet to offer a good conclusion to the conquest, and as such, even he is willing to forgo the conquest of Iraq in order to play fair advantage to those involved in the conflict. In this, I don't count the merit of conquest in the starting of it but in its completion. If it wasn't completed by the time the conflict started in the Americas, then don't include it in your territorial assets [and other things...].

I would argue against including Bangladesh, not on account of progression, but on account of completion.

I know this is a project started way back when [I believe before Azaha left us for the Navy...], so it's been a while since we've done anything with it. But of course, a mon avis, a conquest shouldn't count on account that it was started a time well in advance of many other projects - the principal one in question being the conflict in the Americas. Vineyard's situation in Iraq has likewise started from a long time back [not as long as others...], but like you, he has yet to offer a good conclusion to the conquest, and as such, even he is willing to forgo the conquest of Iraq in order to play fair advantage to those involved in the conflict. In this, I don't count the merit of conquest in the starting of it but in its completion. If it wasn't completed by the time the conflict started in the Americas, then don't include it in your territorial assets [and other things...].

I understand what your saying, but I disagree with you on the main points. Were it not for certain factors both me and Vineyard would have finished our Roleplays. That I think should be taken into account. In the place and time our Roleplays were/are taking place is long before the war in Americas had even started if indeed it has even started. So, in relation to the war the ROLEPLAYS can be said to be already have been completed, you just haven't seen the finish parts yet. I know that's a little confusing, but I disagree with you on this main point ["a conquest shouldn't count on account that it was started a time well in advance of many other projects "]. My question to that is why not, if said conquest is taking place before or in this case well before many other projects. The newer projects have no connection to the past ones and are therefore separate entities all of their own.

As to the statement about fairness, I've told Vineyard in no uncertain terms that I am fine with him in his conquest of Iraq, in fact I am insisting he finish it up. I would like to see a good conclusion to all outstanding Roleplays before any war starts if indeed a war is dead set.

As I said, come hell or high water I will be finishing those two Roleplays before any war starts. I'm not leaving them just sitting there anymore.

In summary, my main point being is that if those Roleplays are taking place long before any major war, why should they not be counted? I can see no reason why they shouldn't be counted. [For the record-those Roleplays being mine with Bangladesh and Vineyard's with Iraq. I don't know if MC has started a RP for England, if he has I think it should be counted, if he hasn't I think it should be place in the same spot as my Roleplay with Sweden and with Sharina's Roleplay in the Caribbean. Where, Brinkman’s RP fits in I have no idea. Whatever, the outcome of the Roleplays I think all should be finished.

Either way, those two Roleplays of mine will become very active again, soon. Expect a post on them every day or every other day until both are completed.

my rp takes place after the event in the america's

Referencing the extensive listing of posts made by Koramerica -

I have not seen any extensive details of his developments, which are mostly space-derived technologies. He makes no mention of any budget costs, no research per se about these technologies, and simply waits to post additional details, without further developing those technologies that he has claimed to have developed. Furthermore, the majority of his posts are not in the 2007-tech category, as no nation currently possesses the majority of his claimed developments [solar-sail vessels].

No solar sails have been successfully deployed as primary propulsion systems, but research in the area is continuing. On August 9, 2004 Japanese ISAS successfully deployed two prototype solar sails from a sounding rocket. A clover type sail was deployed at 122 km altitude and a fan type sail was deployed at 169 km altitude. Both sails used 7.5 micrometer thick film.

A joint private project between Planetary Society, Cosmos Studios and Russian Academy of Science launched Cosmos 1 on June 21, 2005, from a submarine in the Barents Sea, but the Volna rocket failed, and the spacecraft failed to reach orbit. A solar sail would have been used to gradually raise the spacecraft to a higher earth orbit. The mission would have lasted for one month. A suborbital prototype test by the group failed in 2001 as well, also because of rocket failure.

A 15-meter-diameter solar sail (SSP, solar sail sub payload, soraseiru sabupeiro-do) was launched together with ASTRO-F on a M-V rocket at 21:28, February 21, 2006 UTC (06:28, February 22 JST) and made it to orbit. It deployed from the stage at 2146 UTC but opened incompletely.

I'm curious as to why Koramerica is making all of these developments, and with what resources, besides the oft-quoted FOAM assistance [which is either hidden evidence or non-existent]. Besides offering technologies that are unapplicable in Earth V, Koramerica has offered very little else - including military declarations, ooc insight, and especially IC diplomacy. I believe I tried to prod him into the international community, although I cannot reflect if the attempt was successful.

My point to all of this ranting is that Koramerica needs to involve himself in more IC interactions than the secluded hermit that he is making his state.

And this goes very well for those who don't even make any attempt to progress any IC developments at all. There needs to a better attempt to show some sincere devotion to RPing in Earth V.

Referencing the extensive listing of posts made by Koramerica -

I have not seen any extensive details of his developments, which are mostly space-derived technologies. He makes no mention of any budget costs, no research per se about these technologies, and simply waits to post additional details, without further developing those technologies that he has claimed to have developed. Furthermore, the majority of his posts are not in the 2007-tech category, as no nation currently possesses the majority of his claimed developments [solar-sail vessels].

No solar sails have been successfully deployed as primary propulsion systems, but research in the area is continuing. On August 9, 2004 Japanese ISAS successfully deployed two prototype solar sails from a sounding rocket. A clover type sail was deployed at 122 km altitude and a fan type sail was deployed at 169 km altitude. Both sails used 7.5 micrometer thick film.

A joint private project between Planetary Society, Cosmos Studios and Russian Academy of Science launched Cosmos 1 on June 21, 2005, from a submarine in the Barents Sea, but the Volna rocket failed, and the spacecraft failed to reach orbit. A solar sail would have been used to gradually raise the spacecraft to a higher earth orbit. The mission would have lasted for one month. A suborbital prototype test by the group failed in 2001 as well, also because of rocket failure.

A 15-meter-diameter solar sail (SSP, solar sail sub payload, soraseiru sabupeiro-do) was launched together with ASTRO-F on a M-V rocket at 21:28, February 21, 2006 UTC (06:28, February 22 JST) and made it to orbit. It deployed from the stage at 2146 UTC but opened incompletely.

I'm curious as to why Koramerica is making all of these developments, and with what resources, besides the oft-quoted FOAM assistance [which is either hidden evidence or non-existent]. Besides offering technologies that are unapplicable in Earth V, Koramerica has offered very little else - including military declarations, ooc insight, and especially IC diplomacy. I believe I tried to prod him into the international community, although I cannot reflect if the attempt was successful.

My point to all of this ranting is that Koramerica needs to involve himself in more IC interactions than the secluded hermit that he is making his state.

And this goes very well for those who don't even make any attempt to progress any IC developments at all. There needs to a better attempt to show some sincere devotion to RPing in Earth V.

I understand what your saying, but I disagree with you on the main points. Were it not for certain factors both me and Vineyard would have finished our Roleplays. That I think should be taken into account. In the place and time our Roleplays were/are taking place is long before the war in Americas had even started if indeed it has even started. So, in relation to the war the ROLEPLAYS can be said to be already have been completed, you just haven't seen the finish parts yet. I know that's a little confusing, but I disagree with you on this main point ["a conquest shouldn't count on account that it was started a time well in advance of many other projects "]. My question to that is why not, if said conquest is taking place before or in this case well before many other projects. The newer projects have no connection to the past ones and are therefore separate entities all of their own.

As to the statement about fairness, I've told Vineyard in no uncertain terms that I am fine with him in his conquest of Iraq, in fact I am insisting he finish it up. I would like to see a good conclusion to all outstanding Roleplays before any war starts if indeed a war is dead set.

As I said, come hell or high water I will be finishing those two Roleplays before any war starts. I'm not leaving them just sitting there anymore.

In summary, my main point being is that if those Roleplays are taking place long before any major war, why should they not be counted? I can see no reason why they shouldn't be counted. [For the record-those Roleplays being mine with Bangladesh and Vineyard's with Iraq. I don't know if MC has started a RP for England, if he has I think it should be counted, if he hasn't I think it should be place in the same spot as my Roleplay with Sweden and with Sharina's Roleplay in the Caribbean. Where, Brinkman’s RP fits in I have no idea. Whatever, the outcome of the Roleplays I think all should be finished.

Either way, those two Roleplays of mine will become very active again, soon. Expect a post on them every day or every other day until both are completed.

In my opinion, it seems better to me to include these side-conflicts in with the main one or not to include them at all. The reason why I note the merit of completion because completing a conquest is not the same thing as assimilating a conquest. It will take time for your government to utilize the resources of these provinces, and if you have not yet even conquered them, you certainly will not do so during the time of conflict [unless chance happens that the war progresses long enough to allow an assimilation, which historically has happened under rare examples, the most bizarre being Czar Peter's relocation of his Imperial capital during the Great Northern War with Sweden...]

That is my rationale.

I agree. All i really have left is the instillation of an administration. After that, Police forces will slowly take over for the 3rd Battlegroup. Then, after Iraq, Kuwait, and Syria are all stable and self-sutaining, then troops will be raised in the province.

But my concern with this is that (Speaking of which, what 2 RPs? I know of Bangladesh... but what else were you mentioning? Sweden!? TG6R froze that one.) as soon as he annexes a province, the very forces that fought (Or more often than not helped/aided) will suddenly start fighting for UE, giving UE a needed boost in troops. Im fine with that overall, but my concern is that these troops would have somehow made it to the Americas before the war started, giving him a boost in critical areas.

Not only this, but war was declared under the conditions that were current at that time. IE: I declared war before UE finished his Bangladesh RP. Hence, TG6R's ruling that all outside RPs concerning our nations should be frozen until the war is over. Another example: I declare war, then I annex Turkey, the Ukraine, and Bulgaria "Before" the war started. Fair? No.

TG6R already resolved this. But, despite that, if ALM wants to try to overturn TG6R's decision, he could try to talk TG6R out of it. But logivcally, and on a fair basis, it is nonsensical. Jumping back into the past to annex additional nations to aid your current war. Kinda like Germany in WWII saying "Oops!" jumping back 2 years, and annexing Turkey, sweeping into Arabia, and securing oil supplies, providing their tanks with enough petrol to function.

I agree with Vineyard (and ALM I think). Sweden, Iraq, Bangladesh, Syria and all other RP's not finished, should not be added to the countries population stats. If it's not finished, then you don't have control over the nation, and cannot add the population to your population (which will boost your defense budget).

And I also think that Vineyard and RUN must continue these RP's DURING the war, because this will be realistic. In RL you cannot pause one front whilst fighting another, and then continue on the first front when the second is done. In RL you may have to withdraw from one occupied area to concentrate your troops to another front.

And on another note, I think we need to get the war started, as all other RP's are sort of frozen. We cannot have this freeze for at long time, because it will kill some possible RP's...

And I must copy ALM's statement regarding Koramerica's posts. We are stuck to existing technology here in Earth-V, and you are limited to the equipment that exists in your nation in RL. And in RL North Korea isn't a high-tech nation.

On a third note, I just want to tell you all that I've sent out TG's to all of you with usernames and passwords for the Earth-V World Factbook at http://www.oabv.com

In my opinion, it seems better to me to include these side-conflicts in with the main one or not to include them at all. The reason why I note the merit of completion because completing a conquest is not the same thing as assimilating a conquest. It will take time for your government to utilize the resources of these provinces, and if you have not yet even conquered them, you certainly will not do so during the time of conflict [unless chance happens that the war progresses long enough to allow an assimilation, which historically has happened under rare examples, the most bizarre being Czar Peter's relocation of his Imperial capital during the Great Northern War with Sweden...]

That is my rationale.

Time my government had-has. My last post was on September 24th, 2006 which was the last week of September. So, with each week being one Earth V year that gives me 10 weeks or in Earth V time, 10 years for my Roleplay to unfold before the war in America starts. If I recall correctly the war in America started a week before I left in the second week of December. It has been frozen in that time period sense. As my Roleplay and Vineyard's has been frozen in it's time period which was for me 10 years ago and for him 7-8? years ago.

In my opinion the Bangladesh RP is not part of the main RP for the War in Americas and as such I haven't included it in that RP. However, the one I'm doing with Sweden takes place around the same general time as the conflict so I am including it in the main one. The RP in Sweden takes place about a year before the war with Sharina-Vineyard-GR starts and will still be running if the war does indeed come about, whenever that is.

I personally can't think of any reason why in 10 years the conquest could not be completed and the country in question fully assimilated. I do after all, have the time.

Remember, the RP as I said was still active just froze in time until I could get back to it. That time has now come and I plan to start off where I left off which was ten years ago. As, such I fully plan to extend the length of the RP to cover all that time that has passed. Your thinking of the RP being in the present, when in fact it is in the past.

Final Note, again the statements above only apply to my RP in relation to Bangladesh and not with Sweden, which while I plan to finish I will not count until either during the war or after it's conclusion, whichever is agreed upon by all sides. As a matter of record, Sweden is in the middle of a Civil war right now and it would take years for order to be restored. The same can't be said of Bangladesh which is not in a civil war and has been a stable country for over 20 years. Also, at the time frame I'm in I also haven't invaded the country with any forces. Another plus, for it being stable.

Do you see yet what I'm getting at because, we seem to be going in circles.

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Edit: In Responce to this statement- Not only this, but war was declared under the conditions that were current at that time. IE: I declared war before UE finished his Bangladesh RP. Hence, TG6R's ruling that all outside RPs concerning our nations should be frozen until the war is over. Another example: I declare war, then I annex Turkey, the Ukraine, and Bulgaria "Before" the war started. Fair? No.

TG6R already resolved this. But, despite that, if ALM wants to try to overturn TG6R's decision, he could try to talk TG6R out of it. But logivcally, and on a fair basis, it is nonsensical. Jumping back into the past to annex additional nations to aid your current war. Kinda like Germany in WWII saying "Oops!" jumping back 2 years, and annexing Turkey, sweeping into Arabia, and securing oil supplies, providing their tanks with enough petrol to function.

Those are very bad examples, for one I'm not jumping back into the past. I am in the past as that is when the Roleplay is at the moment. 10 years ago, are those 10 years now invalid? Because, to me the RP is finished you just haven't seen the end result yet.

Vineyard, do you have an RP in relation to you invading Turkey, the Ukraine, and Bulgaria before the so called war? If, not then that is a bad example. That's correct you decleared war in the current, what about the past? The current is the result of actions from the past.

I'm only completing my RP in relation to Bangladesh and I will not and have not invaded any more nations. Vineyard, your example for the Germans would only be vaild if I did this. Had Bangladesh invaded say another country. That, would be a God Mod as we both know and I have no plans of God Moding.

All I ask is that I be allowed to finish my RP for Bangladesh as the time frame it is in and it be counted as it would have been had it not been for my involment in other Roleplays.

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And I also think that Vineyard and RUN must continue these RP's DURING the war, because this will be realistic. In RL you cannot pause one front whilst fighting another, and then continue on the first front when the second is done. In RL you may have to withdraw from one occupied area to concentrate your troops to another front.

That would make the Roleplay unrealistic. Actually, in real life you can pause one front. World War 1 on the Western Front being an example. The period before the Germans invaded France in 1940 being another.

Time my government had-has. My last post was on September 24th, 2006 which was the last week of September. So, with each week being one Earth V year that gives me 10 weeks or in Earth V time, 10 years for my Roleplay to unfold before the war in America starts. If I recall correctly the war in America started a week before I left in the second week of December. It has been frozen in that time period sense. As my Roleplay and Vineyard's has been frozen in it's time period which was for me 10 years ago and for him 7-8? years ago.

In my opinion the Bangladesh RP is not part of the main RP for the War in Americas and as such I haven't included it in that RP. However, the one I'm doing with Sweden takes place around the same general time as the conflict so I am including it in the main one. The RP in Sweden takes place about a year before the war with Sharina-Vineyard-GR starts and will still be running if the war does indeed come about, whenever that is.

I personally can't think of any reason why in 10 years the conquest could not be completed and the country in question fully assimilated. I do after all, have the time.

Remember, the RP as I said was still active just froze in time until I could get back to it. That time has now come and I plan to start off where I left off which was ten years ago. As, such I fully plan to extend the length of the RP to cover all that time that has passed. Your thinking of the RP being in the present, when in fact it is in the past.

Final Note, again the statements above only apply to my RP in relation to Bangladesh and not with Sweden, which while I plan to finish I will not count until either during the war or after it's conclusion, whichever is agreed upon by all sides. As a matter of record, Sweden is in the middle of a Civil war right now and it would take years for order to be restored. The same can't be said of Bangladesh which is not in a civil war and has been a stable country for over 20 years. Also, at the time frame I'm in I also haven't invaded the country with any forces. Another plus, for it being stable.

Do you see yet what I'm getting at because, we seem to be going in circles.

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Those are very bad examples, for one I'm not jumping back into the past. I am in the past as that is when the Roleplay is at the moment. 10 years ago, are those 10 years now invalid? Because, to me the RP is finished you just haven't seen the end result yet.

Vineyard, do you have an RP in relation to you invading Turkey, the Ukraine, and Bulgaria before the so called war? If, not then that is a bad example. That's correct you decleared war in the current, what about the past? The current is the result of actions from the past.

I'm only completing my RP in relation to Bangladesh and I will not and have not invaded any more nations. Vineyard, your example for the Germans would only be vaild if I did this. Had Bangladesh invaded say another country. That, would be a God Mod as we both know and I have no plans of God Moding.

All I ask is that I be allowed to finish my RP for Bangladesh as the time frame it is in and it be counted as it would have been had it not been for my involment in other Roleplays.

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That would make the Roleplay unrealistic. Actually, in real life you can pause one front. World War 1 on the Western Front being an example. The period before the Germans invaded France in 1940 being another.

I think ALM is probably referring to something like after 1940. Nazi Germany decides to call the Soviet Union to pause their conflict in Stalingrad just so that Nazi Germany can destroy the Allies in France. Then when Nazi Germany finishes with the allies in France, then they call up Stalin and say "Hey, lets resume our paused war."

At least that's what I think ALM is trying to say (this does not reflect my own personal opinion on this matter).

I'd like to hear TGSR's opinion on this issue before we proceed any further, as some people are for this and some are aganist this.

Vineyard, do you have an RP in relation to you invading Turkey, the Ukraine, and Bulgaria before the so called war? If, not then that is a bad example. That's correct you decleared war in the current, what about the past? The current is the result of actions from the past.

I'm only completing my RP in relation to Bangladesh and I will not and have not invaded any more nations. Vineyard, your example for the Germans would only be vaild if I did this. Had Bangladesh invaded say another country. That, would be a God Mod as we both know and I have no plans of God Moding.

All I ask is that I be allowed to finish my RP for Bangladesh as the time frame it is in and it be counted as it would have been had it not been for my involment in other Roleplays.

With all due respect. Under the same claims, I can assert that Iraq, Kuwait, and Syria could be effectivly incorperated into the Empire in the past time frame, giving my nation a boost of 40 million people, plus at least another 3 battlegroups.

At any rate, my point regarding Turkey, etc etc, was that your post regarding Sweden- your FIRST post mind you -was after I had declared war. Now, if such a thing were permissible (And it isn't) I could just as easily RP a 'past' conflict in some random nation(s). Turkey was an example. I would not dare infringe on Morrington, especially at a time like this.

At anyrate, I was just trying to make a point. If a person declares war on another nation, knowing that nation's strength at the time, it would in no way be acceptable for that nation to turn around and announce a few RPs that would boost its wartime stats. I have no problem with Bangladesh (IC'ly I do..), and seeing how you started it pre-war, its a claim im willing to recgonize as fair. Of course, this would mean that my annexation of the Middleeast territories could just as easily be wrapped up. Then I still have to recruit and train fresh battlegroups... *sigh*.

Hence, TG6R's ruling that all outside RPs concerning our nations should be frozen until the war is over. Another example: I declare war, then I annex Turkey, the Ukraine, and Bulgaria "Before" the war started. Fair? No.

TG6R already resolved this. But, despite that, if ALM wants to try to overturn TG6R's decision, he could try to talk TG6R out of it. But logivcally, and on a fair basis, it is nonsensical. Jumping back into the past to annex additional nations to aid your current war. Kinda like Germany in WWII saying "Oops!" jumping back 2 years, and annexing Turkey, sweeping into Arabia, and securing oil supplies, providing their tanks with enough petrol to function.
That's slightly different than what I actually ruled. I ruled that when an imminent war is "on hold"/"frozen"/"paused" due to OOC concerns, nations involved cannot continue RPs or start new RPs (such as conquering Sweden in this case) and expect it to occur before the war starts if it gives them an advantage.

I'd like to hear TGSR's opinion on this issue before we proceed any further, as some people are for this and some are aganist this.
All RPs after the freezing point (the formal declaration of war, in this case) by those in the war occur either after the war starts or not at all, that is my viewpoint.

IRL, you can only pause a front if the other guy does the same.

And as a second note, I never contradicted what TG6R said. It does not matter if you started it before or during the conflict, continued it during the conflict, or even finished it during the conflict - whatever new conquests that you acquire are not going to be added to your resources, but it is unrealistic to assume that in the time of the conflict, you are able to assimilate the population. I'm just stating that you can decide to continue your RP, as long as it does not contribute to your war effort - meaning that if people should decide to do so, they can "interrupt" your conquest claims in those territories.

In regards to other IC conquests that began before the war began, I see no reason to assume that pending their completion that they should likewise be completed before the conflict began, considering that they were unable IRL to complete the conquest before war was declared, thus able to assimilate the population in time to utilize their resources effectively. My points are stated - I'm hoping that this is as clear as I need to be in order for it to be understood.

With all due respect. Under the same claims, I can assert that Iraq, Kuwait, and Syria could be effectively incorporated into the Empire in the past time frame, giving my nation a boost of 40 million people, plus at least another 3 battle groups.

At any rate, my point regarding Turkey, etc... was that your post regarding Sweden- your FIRST post mind you -was after I had declared war. Now, if such a thing were permissible (And it isn't) I could just as easily RP a 'past' conflict in some random nation(s). Turkey was an example. I would not dare infringe on Morrington, especially at a time like this.

At any rate, I was just trying to make a point. If a person declares war on another nation, knowing that nation's strength at the time, it would in no way be acceptable for that nation to turn around and announce a few RPs that would boost its wartime stats. I have no problem with Bangladesh (IC'ly I do..), and seeing how you started it pre-war, it’s a claim im willing to recognize as fair. Of course, this would mean that my annexation of the Middle east territories could just as easily be wrapped up. Then I still have to recruit and train fresh battle groups... *sigh*.

While you haven't asserted your claim, I don't know as I already have officially recognized your claim to it. You started that RP long before the war, you should be allowed to finish that RP in relation to those countries in what time frame it got frozen in and work your way further to the present and have it be counted.

As per agreement, Sweden is frozen until the war starts or until it ends. It will not be counted and I'm not counting it. However, I will be continuing it.

I agree with your point, that would be a God Mod. Which, is while I'm not arguing for Sweden to be counted as it is taking place during the war.

Thank you for recognizing my legitimate claim. I look forward to you wrapping up your RP in the Middle East. Make it a good one and don't forget to do a summary at the end of what happen since you froze it. That's what I'm planning to do give a small history of Bangladesh to wrap up the RP. You know such and such happen after the Roleplays end. This way, I can explain what happen during all those years of it being quiet.

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That's slightly different than what I actually ruled. I ruled that when an imminent war is "on hold"/"frozen"/"paused" due to OOC concerns, nations involved cannot continue RPs or start new RPs (such as conquering Sweden in this case) and expect it to occur before the war starts if it gives them an advantage.


All RPs after the freezing point (the formal declaration of war, in this case) by those in the war occur either after the war starts or not at all, that is my viewpoint.

Ok, does that go for Roleplays started in the past before the war too? Because if it does, that's really going to screw up the time line. 10 years is a lot to skip over. That's why I "froze" the RP for Bangladesh, I even have a post stated it as such. I would have continue it sooner if not for OCC concerns.

That's why I'm asking to be allowed to continue it and it be counted as it would have been all that time ago if I had, had the time and not had been side tracked by other things.

So, my main point being. What if the RP does indeed occur before the war starts? Shouldn't it continue from where it was froze at? If, not then that means the American War hasn't happen sense by that logic it can't be froze.

I know it gets a little confusing, but I would really like a clear answer. Whatever you decide I will agree to even if I disagree with it at heart.

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In regards to other IC conquests that began before the war, I see no reason to assume that pending their completion that they should likewise be completed before the conflict began, considering that they were unable IRL to complete the conquest before war was declared, thus able to assimilate the population in time to utilize their resources effectively. My points are stated - I'm hoping that this is as clear as I need to be in order for it to be understood.

I understand you message, it is crystal clear, but I still have a difference of opinion. One of the reasons being. A country or in this case Bangladesh wouldn't just sit there for 10 years with nothing happening. That's why I froze the Roleplay, so time would stop and I could continue where I left off. That's what I am asking to be allowed to do. In real life, time doesn't just stop and start- on NS it does. In the real world that country would have had a lot happen to it in 10 years time. New governments coming to power, natural disasters so on and so on.

By your logic, the last 10 years have never happen. Would you do that in the real world? So, yes lets ignore the last 10 years of world history. So, from 1997 to 2007 nothing has happen at all. This is the real world after all. Clinton is still in power, no war in Iraq, no European Union, when gas is below two dollars. Need I go on? You wouldn't ignore real life history and Earth V is after all based on realism. Does, that realism no longer apply now?

Something happen to Bangladesh in the last 10 years, it's my job to tell that story.

This week's event:


The event is...:

Winter storm

The target nation is...:

United Autonomous Republic of Central Asia

The severity is...:

Medium


As for UE, I'm willing to allow Bangladesh due to the special circumstance if Vineyard and Sharina do not object.

Something happen to Bangladesh in the last 10 years, it's my job to tell that story.
I think the answer from TG6R will be "fluid time". One RP that spans over, say, three RL months may span over one EV-day or ten EV-years. It's up to the players to decide. And you started the RP in Earth-V year 2006, and now it's Earth-V year 2007, as the year always is the same as in RL.

The answer is that if you don't want the RP to span over 10 years, then it doesn't need to do that. You can contine your RP just where you left it, and ignore the RL timespan between your posts.

I think that's the definition of fluid time.

And my opinion is that unfinnished RP's at the point of declaration of war must be finnished during or after the war. You cannot say, hey wait, I must finnish this RP to boost my population before the war can begin.

I personally object to the idea for the reason as I had stated, which I will explain in grave detail now:


For the question of Bangladesh, there is a population of 165mil available to use. That adds 165mil to his military manpower, 165mil to his tax-paying resource pool, 165mil doing work that otherwise would not have been done in advance of the circumstances. If we are to assume that over the course of the past ten years that 165mil were working, paying taxes, serving in the armed forces, et cetera, then there is a grave misrepresentation on the part of the RUN. In order to have Bangladesh effectively under the reins of the RUN, you'd need to have had those resources over the past ten years, which you either never stated clearly [I doubt it, because in truth, you never had them], or you never had. Your military would be significantly more advanced, your resources more extensive, and perhaps even your industry more self-sustaining [minus the fact that Bangladesh does not oil].

I state this example only because it is so extreme. The current population of the RUN is estimated at 188mil - by adding Bangladesh to the list, you nearly increase your population by 100%. Vineyard's example in Iraq and Kuwait [which forms a combined 50mil people, compared to Vineyard's already present 152mil people...] only adds 30% of his population, and yet he is able to support about 3 additional battlegroups [by his own standard] - I can only imagine how much more extensive the RUN armed forces could grow with 165mil people under their reins, how much more your industry can support, or how much more finances you could pour into your government.

Your rationale for including Bangladesh in your resource pool is that not including it would be erasing the past 10 years - my rationale against that is that it never did exist [or at least it was never acknowledged to be a true history, regardless of your established time freeze]. The evidence for its non-existence is best provided by your non-inclusion of these statistics during your past 10 years, the time during which your government supposedly exercised its autonomy over the territories. As far as I can read, the ten years past that you supposedly are offering to us belatedly are too late by my standards, because there is no proof that your past ten years ever happened, because it would have been and should have been evident in your discourses with other countries - so to speak, a Republican Bangladesh.

That is my reasoning behind the assimilation and completion factor, because whatever would have happened during those "quiet" years, they would not have been so quiet.

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I feel I need to add my two cents.

I can understand both sides regarding Bangledesh. UE's reasoning that Bangledesh occurs a while before the America War, and that there would be events in Bangledesh between that point and the America War. However, I also understand ALM's frustration with this as he feels that allowing the RUN to gain Bangledesh's stuff to use in the America War would set a bad precedent.

I believe that allowing Bangledesh to be factored in the America War would be a somewhat bad idea. It is not because of the boosts in stats and such, but because of the confusion and "back-stepping" involved. Allow me to put it forth in another way.

UE resumes his RP of conquering Bangledesh. Other powers like Azaha, UARCA, Vineyard, etc. would most likely attempt to interfere with the Bangledesh invasion. As it stands, the Bangledesh invasion would require quite a good amount of RUN resources- a 180 million population coalition of nations attempting to pacify, annex, and rebuild a single nation with nearly as much population as the RUN itself. This would open the RUN up for invasion from other nations, or open up other RP opporunities.

Here's an example of what could occur if we were to allow the Bangledesh RP to continue.

Vineyard sees the RUN tied up in Bangledesh. He decides to invade RUN in Africa as the RUN will have a skeleton military garrison in Africa. My Sharina nation would go "Hey, the RUN is occupied in Bangledesh. Lets invade Venzeula and everything 'RUN' in South America while the majority of RUN forces are in Bangledesh". Thus, the America War would end up "pushed back" 10 years to the RUN invasion of Bangledesh instead of the current Earth V time. Then a mad scramble of RP's by various players to take advantage of the Bangledesh situation.

The point I'm trying to make is that if UE is allowed to resume his Bangledesh RP, it sets a precedent. People will want to RP a response or have their nations interfere with the Bangledesh situation IC'ly. Then things could change around- for example, if Vineyard manages to capture RUN lands in Africa in the example cited above, then things would become somewhat different for the America War, with players having more or less territory, diplomatic clout, stats, military, trade, economy, etc. all because of the "back-stepping" RP'ing due to Bangledesh.

It's essentially a nasty can of worms that shouldn't be opened, as it'd screw up current timeline even more so than if Bangledesh RP was put on hold until after the America War.

As for UE, I'm willing to allow Bangladesh due to the special circumstance if Vineyard and Sharina do not object.

Thank you, also- I would like a event please.

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In reply to all, first off. The RUN doesn't exist in the time period of my involvement in Bangladesh. My old nation is still in existence, it being the Iberian Netherlands. Second, for the record ALM it has 147,365,352. A small difference I know, but it is still a difference. Here is a link about Bangladesh to see for yourself-https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bg.html. Third-the opposite could be true, Bangladesh is not exactly a rich country. Raising a military, improving the infrastructure, building new schools and universities so on is not exactly cheap. As to the resources of Bangladesh- yes I have used them just never publicly because I hadn't finished my RP. To use them publicly would have gotten me accused of God Moding. I do have IC posts alluding to their use. Fourth, for the 5th time I think, It's governments (I have more then one you know).

Fifth-Your military would be significantly more advanced, your resources more extensive, and perhaps even your industry more self-sustaining [minus the fact that Bangladesh does not oil].- And indeed it is. I factored in Bangladesh on numerous situations. How do you think I payed for all those peacekeeping operations and tooling up for a war with Sharina I knew one day would come.

Sixth- That was only one of my rationale, but it being the main point. There are others and I will gladly list them in due time.

Seventh-As far as I can read, the ten years past that you supposedly are offering to us belatedly are too late by my standards, because there is no proof that your past ten years ever happened, because it would have been and should have been evident in your discourses with other countries - so to speak, a Republican Bangladesh.

That is my reasoning behind the assimilation and completion factor, because whatever would have happened during those "quiet" years, they would not have been so quiet.- Well, for one asia is not exactly the most active area. Look at Sri Lanka, India and Madagascar. You haven't heard much from them because I can't RP with them as much- the same goes for Bangladesh. India, because well he’s still Absent due to circumstances beyond his control. The proof is there, it's just hidden in all the little places you didn't think to look. So, yes they have been quiet.

Eighth-The point I'm trying to make is that if UE is allowed to resume his Bangladesh RP, it sets a precedent. People will want to RP a response or have their nations interfere with the Bangladesh situation IC'ly.- Which they will be unable to do for the following reasons. When, I started this RP I did it with the full intention of keeping it low key. Next, Sharina- your example is really really really bad. You should really go read the posts I do have up. I did manage to get another one up so it gives you an even better idea in the direction I'm taking it. Quoted from my first post in the thread, it's at the very top-[OCC: Thought I'd try something different besides the standard I'm invading this country. No Military Forces of mine will be used in this RP.] That rule is something I plan to stick to.

:eek: Sorry, but your extreme example just left the building. If you read the RP your self you would see it is indeed low key. Most posts, are SIC as it's usually between just two people or in most cases what one person is doing and thinking. [Note, while I didn't put SIC tags in the posts it's not something I thought of when I started it so long ago. Remember, over two months have passed since it was paused-"Frozen".

Ninth- It need not set a bad precedent, I have a valid RP that was placed on hold due to OCC reasons. Is, the RP invalid now or is it valid. If, it is valid then I have broken no rules of Earth V accourding to my understand and I am trying to adhere to it's rules for realism. If, were no longer allowed to freeze time-which seems to what the argument has become-as implied by ALM then the war has not happen because you can't freeze time. At which, point then I'm free to continue the RP in the current time and the history of our nations no longer matter. That's how I view it anyways, to each their own.

Tenth- Then make this rule for just this insistence, people are forbidden to reply to the RP. I can't reply to Vineyards, his to mine, Sharina to mine, me to Sharina's so on. I know that will make a lot of people unhappy, including me but, it would preserve the time line. Then again, most people don't responded to the Roleplays anyone. The only one I have responded to personally is Brinkmans one with Vietnam sense that is Southeast Asia. Yes, I also replied indirectly with Bangladesh too.

Final thoughts, I understand your problems with it and I have in fact been working on answers to those very questions.

For one, I'm willing to declare Bangladesh neutral during the war or have it play only a limited role. IE-if you guys keep the war confined to Africa, Europe and the Americas it stays out. Bring the war to Sri Lanka, India or to a limited extent Madagascar or anyone else in the Indian Ocean you do so at the risk of bringing Bangladesh into the war as a full partern.

Second, I'm willing to limit the size of the military of Bangladesh. No, larger then it's real life counterpart and using similar equipment. Example, the Navy of Bangladesh is mostly Fast Missiles Boats and Patrol Boats. So, that's what it would using when the war started. Do note however, that in the RP I stated that the Iberian Kingdom would be supplying Bangladesh with weapons among many other things. However, I'm willing to limit what Bangladesh has.

Bangladesh, need not become the nasty cans of worms you all think it will become. As in everything, their can be moderation. I will end it on that point.

Thank you, also- I would like a event please.
Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Terrorism / Attempted assault on government property

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Republic of United Nations

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Low

good ole Earth V, nothings changed :D (ooc context ofcourse lol)

Everyone enjoy the hols?

According to the EARTH V - Map and Claims thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109), you have a relatively small area of West Africa available for a RP claim.

I wish to submit for group consideration my humble presence as His Excellency Chuck Dee, Chief Executive Officer (formerly Dictator), The Armed Republic of Public Enemestan, in the EV political areas of Liberia and Sierra Leone.
http://www.anglicancommunion.org/images/tour/smallmaps/west_africa_small.jpg

My Internet Presence resume: Buzzlife Message Board (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/forumhome.php) user YouDroppedABongOnMe (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2702578) at 3.18 posts per day (average) (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2702579), over 6,000 posts over 5 years total. As these examples show, I am a very clear writer (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83621) and I follow modern politics (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82986) (being a real-lifer living near Washington, DC).

I am looking for a modern-life gaming experience in this game, just what EV offers; this is the only new game I've played since GTA: San Andreas came out, and my first online game EVAR!!!

So whaddya say, guys? 7 Million people occupying a space that currently is inhabited by about the same number of peple in RL? I like Africa; I already operate in a jungle (http://www.nationstates.net/82908/page=display_region/region=the_hardcore_jungle), and, anyway, look at what my Nation's based on (http://www.perrific.com/cds/covers/public.jpg)!

Just to clear things up.

I am not trying to deny UE control of Bangledesh, nor attempt to undermine his position even though I am in conflict with him IC'ly. I was only putting forth my opinion on establishing precedents. I simply don't want people to go "Hey, if UE was able to jump back in time a bit to do the Bangledesh RP, then so can I!", thats all.

I do have a RP floating out there that could be somewhat similiar to the Bangledesh RP. I sent in covert ops and agents to stir up Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana when Military Command sold these territories to the CSA / Nuevo Rico. My goal was to subvert these people and play on the anti-slavery and anti-CSA sentiments of the Northern culture (the attitudes of the "North" as opposed to the "South" still are present to this very day in real life). With the collapse of the CSA, it could be construed that these three states join me through my covert actions. Thus, my agents and such have had a couple game years or so to do all this, and a subversion does less damage to the area's infrastructure and population than outright invasion + war. Thus, I could easily have these three states added to my population and stats before we kick off the America War if I flesh out my RP in the same way UE is fleshing out his Bangledesh RP.

See where I'm coming from?

Just to clarify-

There is no way in hell, if you do annex bangladesh, that any of bangladesh's military would make it through to Europe-- so Dont operate under the premise that Bangladeshi forces are fully integrated with your military, as it is about to be/is recently annexed, ALM has closed down the Suez, Sharina owns the panama, and GR has erected a naval barrier 100 miles long jutting out of africa.

Logically speaking, the only way UE can utilize Bangladesh (And the subsequent majority of his forces... as Bangladesh is massive population wise..) would be to Invade the Middle East--a feat highly unlikly to occur, despite the fact that my military in the region is outgunned and outnumbered, as I declared war not knowing that UE had Bangladesh!

See what I was talking about earlier?

Logically speaking, the only way UE can utilize Bangladesh (And the subsequent majority of his forces... as Bangladesh is massive population wise..) would be to Invade the Middle East--a feat highly unlikly to occur, despite the fact that my military in the region is outgunned and outnumbered, as I declared war not knowing that UE had Bangladesh!


To say the least about the RSA. We would then be forced to join since it would come close us.

seconding comments aforementioned:

Invading the Middle East at this point is a death sentence to whoever commits it; so unless you're interested in a world apocalypse, find some other battlefield.

referring to comments about Bangladesh - I think now we've stated our opinions at least twice, most of which I realize to be saying the same thing now [save the RUN side...]. TG6R has given his input, and I think that the matter is resolved. If it is at close, we should consider moving on to other topics worthy of discussion - since the last thing I want to do is debate the same thing [with the same exact words, that is...] for three weeks in a row and get no where. The faster we can close the conflict, the faster my country can get to its IC business with friends and allies.

GR has erected a naval barrier 100 miles long jutting out of africa.

Where on earth is this post? And where would it be specifically in Africa, realizing that GR does not own anything in Africa, and maintaining the supplies for an 100mile blockade in open seas would be ridiculously difficult [depending on what the 100miles blockade is blockading, of course...].

And just for clarification, I'm not helping any :rolleyes: ... this is the official OOC thread for the war talk (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511493).

*comes out of hiding*

Bangledesh is mine!!!!


*goes back into the shadows*

*comes out of hiding*

Bangledesh is mine!!!!


*goes back into the shadows*

and the winner of the most random act prize goes to... [not endorsing that Maldorian's act is the most random at all, because I could be more genuinely random than that, but it had to be mentioned that it was random...]

OK, my last input on the Bangladesh front, then it's up to the mods to make a decision.

One important thing to remember when you're about to make a decision about this, is that UE only had made two (2) ic-posts in the Bangladesh-thread before the "war", and both of them in September.

You cannot take over a country of about 150 million people with just two posts, so I must say that his takeover is hardly started. Why should he be able to finish it, when it's only started, nowhere near complete?

Ninth- It need not set a bad precedent, I have a valid RP that was placed on hold due to OCC reasons. Is, the RP invalid now or is it valid.
Even if it's valid, it's nowhere near complete. You've made TWO ic-posts in the thread before the war. If that's enough to count in Bangladesh into your stats, then something is really wrong.

Tenth- Then make this rule for just this insistence, people are forbidden to reply to the RP.
Now THAT'S even weirder!!
You've made two ic-posts, and now we're forbidden to reply to your RP. That's a sick suggestion!

I can't reply to Vineyards, his to mine, Sharina to mine, me to Sharina's so on. I know that will make a lot of people unhappy, including me but, it would preserve the time line. Are we here to RP with each other, or to preserve a timeline? Remember that we have fluid time in RP's, there's no need to preserve a timeline, especially not if it would forbid people to RP with each other!

Then again, most people don't responded to the Roleplays anyone.
I've recently responded to CWAA's invasion of Benin and Togo, resulting in his withdrawal from these two countries...

My conclusion: It's sick to let UE finish his RP before the war.

I wish to submit for group consideration my humble presence as His Excellency Chuck Dee, Chief Executive Officer (formerly Dictator), The Armed Republic of Public Enemestan, in the EV political areas of Liberia and Sierra Leone.
http://www.anglicancommunion.org/images/tour/smallmaps/west_africa_small.jpg

So whaddya say, guys? 7 Million people occupying a space that currently is inhabited by about the same number of peple in RL?
Sure, go ahead!
Nice to have new players in Earth-V. But please try to stay active, we've had a lot of new players claiming nations, and then just disappear.

I recommend you to put up a factbook (look at the others, links here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501393)), and then you can start to RP.
But before you can engage military you must declare your military fact in the military declaration thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492526) (it must be based on the rl military for your country).

We can help you with everything if you've a hard time finding something. We are all happy to have a new player in EV! Welcome!

According to the EARTH V - Map and Claims thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109), you have a relatively small area of West Africa available for a RP claim.

I wish to submit for group consideration my humble presence as His Excellency Chuck Dee, Chief Executive Officer (formerly Dictator), The Armed Republic of Public Enemestan, in the EV political areas of Liberia and Sierra Leone.
http://www.anglicancommunion.org/images/tour/smallmaps/west_africa_small.jpg

My Internet Presence resume: Buzzlife Message Board (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/forumhome.php) user YouDroppedABongOnMe (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2702578) at 3.18 posts per day (average) (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/search.php?searchid=2702579), over 6,000 posts over 5 years total. As these examples show, I am a very clear writer (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83621) and I follow modern politics (http://www.buzzlife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82986) (being a real-lifer living near Washington, DC).

I am looking for a modern-life gaming experience in this game, just what EV offers; this is the only new game I've played since GTA: San Andreas came out, and my first online game EVAR!!!

So whaddya say, guys? 7 Million people occupying a space that currently is inhabited by about the same number of peple in RL? I like Africa; I already operate in a jungle (http://www.nationstates.net/82908/page=display_region/region=the_hardcore_jungle), and, anyway, look at what my Nation's based on (http://www.perrific.com/cds/covers/public.jpg)!

I'm surprised that I missed this one...

But I'm glad that you've voluntarily posted a resume - and I'm glad to see a willing and somewhat open mind to the RP opportunities. Your selection of countries is a very potent and interesting selection, and I hope that it does you well.

I will still wait for TG6R's confirmation to your admission, but I personally think that you're ready to try the IC community a bit. There are three suggestions that I propose you do, should TG6R like you:

1 = Get a factbook thread - if you don't know what that is, we'll help you figure it out; Kopparbergs has given a link to some examples, so take a look at a few of them.

2 = Do some preliminary research for your country/countries - some of the basic details that we'd like to have [actually, more we'd like you to have] include military stats for your country, population of you country, and otherwise basic details about your country's geography, politics, et cetera [not for any important reason, but I find that understanding the culture a bit gives you ideas about what to do with it...].

3 = Start making IC friends - I'd say that this is the MOST important thing that anyone can ever do while starting up. If you do not have friends [especially neighborly friends], you have little hope to progress in the community.

4 = Figure out a history/RP take-over for your country - nothing builds intrigue like the history of how your country came to be; like the culture of your RL countries, it helps give you some inspiration for future RPs.

5 = Be active - we like having the world filled up, but we prefer to have it filled up with active people, and it doesn't mean that you have to log in every single day and contribute at least one post every day; if you contribute something that is valuable to the RP experience, I think you'll find it more enjoyable to stay with us [as we would find it enjoyable to keep you with us].

I think I've spilled enough guts about this, and I don't want to seem imposing, so having seen your willingness, I'll let you get out into the fun. I hope that TG6R does approve [I'm certain that he will], so I wish you luck as a new country.



FYI - every new person asks for this, so I'll spill it now:

OOC = out of character [whenever it's not part of the RP officially]
IC = in character [the opposite of ooc]
SIC = secret/special in character [reserved for secret messages that you don't want leaked immediately or you don't want others to ICly know.

Noting that all abbreviations are in fact subjects, adjectives, adverbs [with "-ly"], and possible verbs [I don't know...], so use them indiscreetly if you think that there's a doubt as to whom or how it is supposed to read.

Where on earth is this post? And where would it be specifically in Africa, realizing that GR does not own anything in Africa, and maintaining the supplies for an 100mile blockade in open seas would be ridiculously difficult [depending on what the 100miles blockade is blockading, of course...].

And just for clarification, I'm not helping any :rolleyes: ... this is the official OOC thread for the war talk (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511493).
Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12133007&postcount=1176).

Well, I'll check back or wait for a telegram for official confirmation, but SWEET! Thanks for the info, I'll get to building a map and an info thread (probably offsite) quickly. For now, I also promise not to buy anything from any other world supplier until I get a reply back about joining the EV.

Mum's the word!

Well, I'll check back or wait for a telegram for official confirmation, but SWEET! Thanks for the info, I'll get to building a map and an info thread (probably offsite) quickly. For now, I also promise not to buy anything from any other world supplier until I get a reply back about joining the EV.

Mum's the word!
Sounds good! I cannot se why TG6R or Sharina (the other moderator here) shouldn't confirm your application.

I'm going to create an account for you at the Earth-V World Factbook site (link (http://oabv.com)). I'll send you a TG with the username and password.

Welcome to Earth-V!

Well, I'll check back or wait for a telegram for official confirmation, but SWEET! Thanks for the info, I'll get to building a map and an info thread (probably offsite) quickly. For now, I also promise not to buy anything from any other world supplier until I get a reply back about joining the EV.

Mum's the word!
Confirmed. :)

Any random event of the week?

It's a snow storm in UARCA [like we haven't seen that one before... literally...]


Anyways, I've got something that's less than random and no one's paying any attention to it... maybe I should highlight it in red :rolleyes: ...

Any random event of the week?

Two, actually:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12179004&postcount=2208
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12180351&postcount=2214

Why!?!?!? Why is it never me!?!?!?

Because nothing ever happens in West Afrika.

RANDOM EVENT GENERATOR?

Oh, that's SWEET. I can't wait to get my factbook and map up!

In other random news for the week, the Candistan West African Alliance was completely carpet bombed with W80 tactical nuclear devices, resulting in what could have been the end of the world, but instead resulted in the salvation of the human race, as giant cockroaches from Russia swooped in to eat up all of the radiation and otherwise destroyed all of the nuclear stockpiles in the world [except for Israel's because they continually reject the notion that they have nukes, despite everyone else {except for the giant cockroaches from Russia} knowing about it]. Too bad to say, everyone in the CWAA was dead, dying, praying to God, or robbing any of the aforementioned folk because of this calamitous event. And to this we ask: WHY?

Our local street editor has the latest news from Timbuktu:

"FREE CARPETS!!! GET YOUR FREE CARPETS HERE!!!"

"TOMATOES!!!! GET YOUR TOMATOES HERE!!! [never said they were free...]"

"So why did the CWAA get nukes today?"

"Because we're bored and nothing ever happens in West Afrika. So we asked for it. Of course, we had to empty our treasury to get, but in the end, I think that it was well worth it."

"And there you have it! Nothing ever happens in West Afrika, wherever that is..."

Oh god! REPENT! REPENT!

Oh, I can make things happen :D


And for those involved in the World Cup, hosting votes are here!!!


Vote for your favorite pick of the season!!!


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=513690

and yes, the votes will be public, so don't say anything you'd regret to say later...

For your information, there has been a series a bombings in my capital, committed by terrorists, yet to be disclosed, and I'm not trying to fill myself full of it, but I'm actually disappointed that no one has even cared to notice that hundreds of people have died in my beautiful capital :(

Oh, I can make things happen :D


And for those involved in the World Cup, hosting votes are here!!!


Vote for your favorite pick of the season!!!


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=513690

and yes, the votes will be public, so don't say anything you'd regret to say later...

DEADLINE IS 0000GMT, WEDNESDAY.

Oh yes I'm back! From outer space! I just walked in to find you here with that look upon your face! I should have changed...err....right.

I am indeed back, from, vacation and illness (sinus infection excepted). RPing will again commence! And stuff.

I see I have a blizzard to deal with....again. Cursed snow.

Hello Im just Inquiring can i sign up here. Im relatively new to the game but will try my best.

If this is acceptable with the powers the be i would like to claim Texas and Louisiana and mississippi. (I guess asking for the whole confederacy would be pushing it eh?)

lol BTW I wouldnt have though Michigan and Ohio would have gone without a fight to the last guy who had the CSA.:confused:

Hello Im just Inquiring can i sign up here. Im relatively new to the but will try my best.

If this is acceptable with the powers the be i would like to claim Texas and Louisiana and mississippi. (I guess asking for the whole confederacy would be pushing it eh?)

lol BTW I wouldnt have though Michigan and Ohio would have gone without a fight to the last guy who had the CSA.:confused:

I cant ever see myself sending a telegram to "The Respectable nation of Coco the Silly Monkey..."

Hello Im just Inquiring can i sign up here. Im relatively new to the but will try my best.

If this is acceptable with the powers the be i would like to claim Texas and Louisiana and mississippi. (I guess asking for the whole confederacy would be pushing it eh?)

lol BTW I wouldnt have though Michigan and Ohio would have gone without a fight to the last guy who had the CSA.:confused:

I cant ever see myself sending a telegram to "The Respectable nation of Coco the Silly Monkey..."

Jolt has drunk too much jolt... either that or I'm seeing doubles...

Hello Im just Inquiring can i sign up here. Im relatively new to the game but will try my best.

If this is acceptable with the powers the be i would like to claim Texas and Louisiana and mississippi. (I guess asking for the whole confederacy would be pushing it eh?)

lol BTW I wouldnt have though Michigan and Ohio would have gone without a fight to the last guy who had the CSA.:confused:

You can sign up here. In fact, you just did.

I echo Vineyard's sentiments, so I hope that either Texans suddenly adopted a new sense of humor or your EV nation name is somewhat different than your NS name [like Persecution and Hatred is EV "The Boer Republik"]. Other than that, TG6R will give his approval for this before I add it to ye grand ole list of countries in Earth V...

Yeah Il change the name:p lol

Heh a better name could of been CRAZY TEXAS OIL MILLIONAIRES. (like that dude from the Simpsons) :D

Nah seriously thou i got no Qualms with Coco taking the Confederacy or atleast some of it. but You better R.P. well or RUN will be on your doorstep trying to liberate a state or two.

In a way I agree with Vineyards sentiments regarding Azaha. Its like keeping your car for 5 hours in a two hour parking zone. Imagine saying to the traffic warden. I will be gone for 5 Hours look after car dude.

Presumably the Military or cadets (whats he enlisted for anyways?) internet is restricted thats why he cant respond on N.S.

If this is the case he should email the mods via hotmail e.t.c. notifying them when he will get back.

No biggie really.

Same applies to wartar endor sadly.

Okay Im going to break into the originality bank here:p . hows the Reformed Confederacy sound?

does anybody own ascension island? if so, the CWAA wants to buy it and possibly St. Helena
And the reformed confederacy sounds good. now you have to RP the country's beginning