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No. But confirmed now. ;)

minus this... I'll fix this ASAP...

(I control Iraq and Kuwait, Arabicia controls Saudi, and I've invaded Jordan, Oman, and Qatar.)

I never ever saw this - not even as a confirmation - until this was posted.

Sistan. The Empire of Vineyard, in existance long before your empire was even a dream, prepared for the worst. During its existance, as im sure many will confirm, Vineyard hoarded all its excess goods... with the exception of a few trade agreements, including the Diamonds-for-food trade with Fod while he was still around... ANYHOW.

2 Major things you missed. 3 Auctually..

1). Vineyard hoarded everything. From food, to oil, to munitions, to toilet paper. Our econemy was geared towards meeting Domestic demand, and storing everything else away for later use. Sure, there was limited trade with non-FOAM nations, but again it was really restricted and limited.

2). My education budget is $0 for a reason. Its so that the Ruling Elite can be trained in the ways of Governership, the Intellegent in the Sciences (Note the Learning center I tried to build earlier), and everyone else in their rightful places. In short: It would be nearly impossible to, without government authorization, to switch occupations. Soldiers, once in that occupation, had no other "Know-how" to switch jobs. Soldiering was their life. That and I had a nasty habbit of executiong Deserter's families..

3). This is the kicker. Some nations have recently fell. If it appears a nation to have been disbanded, it is possible to claim land marked as theirs, provided that it is RPed by the claiming person.

Thats a quote from the Rules section. Thank you.

ALM: You ought to re-read my invasion post.

Vineyard: Five months isn't recent. Your caste system doesn't work when the government collapses. Unless you've controlled your territory for many, many generations, you're simply not going to be able to ingrain that much control into the populations. Your best bet is to cut your losses and salvage what you can in Europe.

OOC: There's a bit of a difference between corporations and army. Corporations tend to fund themselves, and are independant of governments. Armies, on the other hand, need governments to fund them and direct them. Without the government, armies lack the money to maintain equipment, pay troops, feed troops, house troops, or basicly do anything. When Vineyard left for five months, without a government no less, the equipment would have become unusable, troops would have deserted, and everything would have fallen into chaos. Note the way you claimed that Iraq was a mess.

BTW, every single bit of Vineyard's ME territory has been taken over by someone in his absense. (I control Iraq and Kuwait, Arabicia controls Saudi, and I've invaded Jordan, Oman, and Qatar.) Such is the way of empires when their foundation crumbles. Look at Rome. Rather than claiming that Vineyard's stuff is the same as what it was before minus losses, I'd suggest factoring in the toll that years of entropy has taken.

I'm actually going to reply for Vineyard, since I know his nation quite well and I talked recently with him about this topic.

Here's way I don't agree with your proposal to factor in "the toll that years of entropy has taken":

There really can't be that much entropy because Vineyard was hoarding his supplies. That is, after domestic consumption, Vineyard stored everything away. Food, oil, money, weapons, et cetera. He was even crazy enough to hollow out some mountains, from what I know. He always seemed a bit parnoid about military prepardness.

Iraq is a bit misleading. I thought I bribed quite a few people, but after some research, it looks like I didn't. We can assume that there was one mass-murding lunatic that an ex-Vineyardian soldier, and that caused all the problems. I talked to Vineyard to confirm this part.

Vineyard: Five months isn't recent. Your caste system doesn't work when the government collapses. Unless you've controlled your territory for many, many generations, you're simply not going to be able to ingrain that much control into the populations. Your best bet is to cut your losses and salvage what you can in Europe.
He did, if I remember correctly.

He did, if I remember correctly.

Pwnage

Yea, I did rule it for about 4 generations. 2 of which were ruled by illegitimate rulers, but never the less.

And civil war won't deplete those resources? It's been five months, that's ages in NS. Civil war and no government multiplied by years means that shit gets ruined and fast. Any remaining Vineyardian forces would be shadows of their former selves, especially so far from the seat of the new government.

No, I'm not talking about 40-60 years, I'm talking a few hundred at least.

And civil war won't deplete those resources?

It would deplete some, but remmeber, the local econemies, although not quite enough to sustain the food consumption, was active. The oil consumption on the other hand was easily met.

No, I believe that only manpower was taxed during such times.

[ It's been five months, that's ages in NS. Civil war and no government multiplied by years means that shit gets ruined and fast. 2
Things. First off, Time is fluid. Secondly, and if I really must repeat myself here, an inflated officercorp such as mine makes sure that little or no corruption takes place, and things are efficently run.

[ Any remaining Vineyardian forces would be shadows of their former selves, especially so far from the seat of the new government. So far from the seat of government? Sure, mabye ho horse-drawn carrige! The quipps of Globolization are such that communication travels instantly and a few hours flight can get you anywhere in one continent! On top of that, My system was highly centrilized, although each city, town, district, and state had its own governer, meaning that their government, when the central government collapsed, was being ruled by the generals and the Local Governer.

I believe my Empire has reigned for 80 years. Your claims are such that you would have us believe that Germany, having finished WW2 60 years ago, still believe in the tenents of National Socialism.

Pwnage
Notice I added "if I remember correctly." I just try to come to an agreement. ;)

Oh ok. But we still need to work out who-has-what in Italy and Slovenia.

Seeing the most recent RPs, I would suggest a front somewhere directly south of Rome. You controling the south, and I the North. You having Sardinia and Corsica, I having Elba and Sicily.

Is this agreeable?

Ok, I given it some thought which is why the delay in getting to your post but this is what I came up with. This is what I was thinking. Their shouldn't be a front, as we know it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Italy and Slovenia where part of your Empire right?

Well, your Empire as you knew it is gone, your soliders, leaders, people so on are in revolt. They saw an opportunity to put it midily, free themselves and form a nation out of the ashes of the old. They never expected your return, so some seeing your return, threw their lot in with you again, but the rest of the nation is in open revolt (which I'm going to RP, the revolt that is). This would explain your OCC with IC reasons. They thought you had left them, the Devil finds time for Idle hands, well this is what it found to do with that free time.

Now to the divisions of control, I was thinking we do it on a Region/Province Basis as max and at min control of certain cities.

This is what I was thinking of as the basic foundation:

The Regions under my current control are Abruzzo, Basilicata, Calabria, Campania, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Liguria, Lombardy, Marches, Molise, Piedmont, Apulia, Aosta Valley, Tuscany, Trentino-South Tyrol, Umbria, Veneto and the Islands of Corsica and Elba.

The Regions under your current control are Emilia-Romagna, Latium, Sicily, Sardinia and all of Slovenia.

Is this agreeable? Let me know, thanks.

Heres a list of the regions of Italy to see what who has what. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_Italy)

It would deplete some, but remmeber, the local econemies, although not quite enough to sustain the food consumption, was active. The oil consumption on the other hand was easily met.

No, I believe that only manpower was taxed during such times.

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Things. First off, Time is fluid. Secondly, and if I really must repeat myself here, an inflated officercorp such as mine makes sure that little or no corruption takes place, and things are efficently run.

[ So far from the seat of government? Sure, mabye ho horse-drawn carrige! The quipps of Globolization are such that communication travels instantly and a few hours flight can get you anywhere in one continent! On top of that, My system was highly centrilized, although each city, town, district, and state had its own governer, meaning that their government, when the central government collapsed, was being ruled by the generals and the Local Governer.

I believe my Empire has reigned for 80 years. Your claims are such that you would have us believe that Germany, having finished WW2 60 years ago, still believe in the tenents of National Socialism.
Oh yeah, because civil war totally doesn't destroy hardware and infrastructure.

I don't know if you realize how things work in the real world, but having too many chiefs and not enough indians makes corruption far, far worse. If your military has nearly as many officers as you claim, I'd be surprised if your officers haven't completely sold off your entire arsenal to anyone with enough cash by now.

Now, if we're going to start wanking fluid time, I can play that game too. How about I just fluid time my navy and Gen-5 jets into completion and kick you out the old fashioned way? Would you like that?

BTW, I'm not claiming that the Germans would still be Nazis, I'm saying 370 years of Roman rule didn't make the British turn into Romans. The British were still British regardless of whether or not the Romans were in charge. Yes, the Romans heavily influenced the British, but nowhere to the extent that you claim.

As United Earthlings stated, your empire is gone. The people have settled down. If you didn't want to lose your empire, you shouldn't have left for five months. You've made your own bed, now sleep in it.

Oh yeah, because civil war totally doesn't destroy hardware and infrastructure.

I don't know if you realize how things work in the real world, but having too many chiefs and not enough indians makes corruption far, far worse. If your military has nearly as many officers as you claim, I'd be surprised if your officers haven't completely sold off your entire arsenal to anyone with enough cash by now.

Now, if we're going to start wanking fluid time, I can play that game too. How about I just fluid time my navy and Gen-5 jets into completion and kick you out the old fashioned way? Would you like that?

BTW, I'm not claiming that the Germans would still be Nazis, I'm saying 370 years of Roman rule didn't make the British turn into Romans. The British were still British regardless of whether or not the Romans were in charge. Yes, the Romans heavily influenced the British, but nowhere to the extent that you claim.

As United Earthlings stated, your empire is gone. The people have settled down. If you didn't want to lose your empire, you shouldn't have left for five months. You've made your own bed, now sleep in it.
Ironically, he actually is. Don't expect a reply until late at least 15 hours from now.

So, just to clarify: You agree with United Earthlings assessment of what Vineyard currently has?

(I'm actually going to sleep in my own bed now too. I'll be telegramming this to Sharina in twelve hours to see what he thinks.)

To a point. Emilia-Romagna, Latium, Sicily, Sardinia and Slovenia are all that Vineyard should be able to claim now, and his military should be a shell of its former self. You don't just leave a roleplay community for five months and expect everything to be as you left it when you return, especially a competitive one like this.

Any claims Vineyard may have once had in the Middle East are long invalid, and have been since the territory in question was annexed or formed into new nations. Muslims tend to be very, very resistant to assymilation by foreign occupiers.

If he wants an empire, he'll have to carve a new one, and it sure as hell won't be in the Middle East. Personally, I suggest North Africa in the areas of Tunisia, Lybia, and Algeria.

What about Africa?

What about Africa? He left, he should have to rebuild his empire from scratch.

If Vineyard gets his Empire back, why shouldn't I get mine? We all (save TG6R and Sharina) had to start from scratch. Everything that had happened in the past, everything I did and build (my Empire, my Military) was for nothing.

To a point. Emilia-Romagna, Latium, Sicily, Sardinia and Slovenia are all that Vineyard should be able to claim now, and his military should be a shell of its former self. You don't just leave a roleplay community for five months and expect everything to be as you left it when you return, especially a competitive one like this.

Any claims Vineyard may have once had in the Middle East are long invalid, and have been since the territory in question was annexed or formed into new nations. Muslims tend to be very, very resistant to assymilation by foreign occupiers.

If he wants an empire, he'll have to carve a new one, and it sure as hell won't be in the Middle East. Personally, I suggest North Africa in the areas of Tunisia, Lybia, and Algeria.
I'll copy Sistan on this. Vineyards holdings in the Middle East is claimed by other nations now. He has to start over somewhere, preferable with the Italian-thing.

And I just want to inform Sistan that the countries you suggest are as well occupied like yours... I have Tunisia and Algeria, ALM has Lybia. He has to claim an unclaimed nation.

If Vineyard gets his Empire back, why shouldn't I get mine? We all (save TG6R and Sharina) had to start from scratch. Everything that had happened in the past, everything I did and build (my Empire, my Military) was for nothing.
That's the way it is for me too. I've restarted from scratch, he has to do it too...

Another note in the Vineyard-issue, from the rulebook (first post in this thread):

Moreover, it is STRONGLY ENCOURAGED that puppets remain as active as their "mother nature" or vice versa (they are both required to remain active on Earth V to keep their land regardless)

I know that Vineyard isn't a puppy, but read the bold text. To dissapear for five month isn't to remain active. Vineyard has lost his lands.

EDIT: What if Mauiwowee, Norleans, Fodmodmadtol, Ato_Sara, Whittier and everybody else came back? Could they just continue with their holdings they had once, way back in time? Of course not, they must restart with new claims which is available today. That's my point of view.

I agree with Kopparbergs.

I'm happy that Vineyard is back (we had some great RP's!) but he should start like the rest of us. We all had to start from scratch.

I'll copy Sistan on this. Vineyards holdings in the Middle East is claimed by other nations now. He has to start over somewhere, preferable with the Italian-thing.

And I just want to inform Sistan that the countries you suggest are as well occupied like yours... I have Tunisia and Algeria, ALM has Lybia. He has to claim an unclaimed nation.
I know. I was suggesting that he join my war effort once he got back on his feet and invade. >_>

I see that the general consensus is that I start over from Scratch.

But therein lies the problem. I DID start from scratch! And I forged a pretty decent empire! Since my absence, nations have laid claim to various parts of my empire. However, I see only 2 problems with this.

1). Many never RPed the takeover of such nations, as required in the Rules regarding nations that have not been on in awhile.

2). In Vineyardian territory that wasn't claimed by other nations, what happened? Did all the generals decide it wasn't worth it and popped themselves in the head? Did the governors grow despondent over their lifestyle? Did the Soldiers drop their weapons and scurry off, out of a Job? Unlikely.

With this in mind, and in the interests of Earth V, I am willing to let go of all Vineyardian territory whose takeover has been RPed, but wish to retain that which I never lost to begin with.
Ill wait for Sharin and/or TG6R to hand down the final ruling before I continue to RP.

I see that the general consensus is that I start over from Scratch.

But therein lies the problem. I DID start from scratch! And I forged a pretty decent empire! Since my absence, nations have laid claim to various parts of my empire. However, I see only 2 problems with this.

1). Many never RPed the takeover of such nations, as required in the Rules regarding nations that have not been on in awhile.

2). In Vineyardian territory that wasn't claimed by other nations, what happened? Did all the generals decide it wasn't worth it and popped themselves in the head? Did the governors grow despondent over their lifestyle? Did the Soldiers drop their weapons and scurry off, out of a Job? Unlikely.

With this in mind, and in the interests of Earth V, I am willing to let go of all Vineyardian territory whose takeover has been RPed, but wish to retain that which I never lost to begin with.
Ill wait for Sharin and/or TG6R to hand down the final ruling before I continue to RP.
You started from scratch once. Since then, you left for five months and Earth-V has basicly been rebooted. If someone doesn't show up for work for five months and comes back later, do you really think they'll get to restart exactly where they left off?

Many of the bits of property may not have been RPed too extensively, but note that it says "recently fallen". You left five months ago while in the middle of a civil war. There is nothing recent about that fall. As far as I'm concerned, your former land doesn't qualify for that clause.

As far as what happened to the land, I'd say it reverted back to something resembling the RL nation, but with a fair bit of lawlessness.

Furthermore, as Warta Endor and Kopparbergs pointed out, everyone else has had to start over from scratch short of TGSR and Sharina. Why are you so special that you get everything back?

Another note in the Vineyard-issue, from the rulebook (first post in this thread):

Moreover, it is STRONGLY ENCOURAGED that puppets remain as active as their "mother nature" or vice versa (they are both required to remain active on Earth V to keep their land regardless)

I know that Vineyard isn't a puppy, but read the bold text. To dissapear for five month isn't to remain active. Vineyard has lost his lands.

EDIT: What if Mauiwowee, Norleans, Fodmodmadtol, Ato_Sara, Whittier and everybody else came back? Could they just continue with their holdings they had once, way back in time? Of course not, they must restart with new claims which is available today. That's my point of view.

I agree.

There's been a complication in the claim to Italy and Slovenia. Both claims are frozen, as is Great Romeo's invasion, until it is resolved.

EDIT: Get ready for some serious RPing. We're settling everything IC, but it's going to be complicated than we all thought. ;)

Great Sixth Reich, that edit statement is an understatement. It way more complicated, all because of a simple claim in Italy.

In, hindsight- maybe you were right- I should have just claimed another nation. :D

Man, those Italians sure know how to cause alot of problems huh?

As, to this whole debate on starting from scratch vs having everything you already claimed. I'm staying out of that one, since I'm the new guy and just got here. Whatever you guys decided I'm fine with. I'm willing to compromise.

Heres a thought, I can relinquish my claim to Italy and Slovenia to Vineyard and claim some other nation in Europe, as some new ones opened up. That way everyone is happy. Vine gets to rebuild his Empire its from strach but not totally and well any nice size nation in Europe would be good.

Just a thought.

Here's what would happen if Vineyard started from "scratch":

He gets to claim Italy (one nation), Slovenia (.5 nation), Albania (.5 nation), and another nation or two .5 nations, per the unwritten rule.
He automatically gets whatever Great Romeo ceded over to him in addition to that, since it's IC.
He maintains recognization as the old Vineyard, however, since it is clear heis doing so in his RP (see the new Regent post). His nation is a Croatian nation, not an Italian nation.
Due to that, his military organization will be the same, but scaled down to match his territories and the military rules. I'm wouldn't go for the "he needs to use RL stuff" mandate, since the only thing he missed during most of the time away was Whittier annexing some countries and Sharina and I building some railroads. Some of his forces clearly are still around, especially since we used "fluid time" as the only time guideline back then, which means Vineyard wasn't gone THAT long.


Great Sixth Reich, that edit statement is an understatement. It way more complicated, all because of a simple claim in Italy.

In, hindsight- maybe you were right- I should have just claimed another nation.

Man, those Italians sure know how to cause alot of problems huh?

As, to this whole debate on starting from scratch vs having everything you already claimed. I'm staying out of that one, since I'm the new guy and just got here. Whatever you guys decided I'm fine with. I'm willing to compromise.

Heres a thought, I can relinquish my claim to Italy and Slovenia to Vineyard and claim some other nation in Europe, as some new ones opened up. That way everyone is happy. Vine gets to rebuild his Empire its from strach but not totally and well any nice size nation in Europe would be good.

Just a thought.
Sounds good. Remember what Mauiwowee said about the Italians? Of course you don't, since you weren't there. ;):

Once again, Italy gets a new government, doesn't that make about 60 since WW II? :D

Italian Politics Explained: You have 2 cows, you don't know where they are, you take a nap.

Here's what would happen if Vineyard started from "scratch":

He gets to claim Italy (one nation), Slovenia (.5 nation), Albania (.5 nation), and another nation or two .5 nations, per the unwritten rule.
He automatically gets whatever Great Romeo ceded over to him in addition to that, since it's IC.
He maintains recognization as the old Vineyard, however, since it is clear heis doing so in his RP (see the new Regent post). His nation is a Croatian nation, not an Italian nation.
Due to that, his military organization will be the same, but scaled down to match his territories and the military rules. I'm wouldn't go for the "he needs to use RL stuff" mandate, since the only thing he missed during most of the time away was Whittier annexing some countries and Sharina and I building some railroads. Some of his forces clearly are still around, especially since we used "fluid time" as the only time guideline back then, which means Vineyard wasn't gone THAT long.

Would I be able to claim two different nations? I fine with giving up Italy and Slovenia to Vineyard so he can get backinto this RP. But, doing that I still need a nation(s) to go to.

What is open in Europe at this moment? The claims are getting confusing. Also, I thought Slovenia was one nation not a half of one? Thanks.

I trust that TG6R and Sharina will take the right decision.

We still got a war going on, but after the declaration we have heared nothing from Sistan or Asherton...

I trust that TG6R and Sharina will take the right decision.

We still got a war going on, but after the declaration we have heared nothing from Sistan or Asherton...
Asherton is moving into a dorm, and we're working on hammering the exact numbers that the RSA wanted so badly. I also need to wait for my new webhost to let me upload the deployment maps.

Would I be able to claim two different nations? I fine with giving up Italy and Slovenia to Vineyard so he can get backinto this RP. But, doing that I still need a nation(s) to go to.

What is open in Europe at this moment? The claims are getting confusing. Also, I thought Slovenia was one nation not a half of one? Thanks.
Eastern Russia, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Ireland, North Ireland, Belarus, Latvia.

I realized not too long ago that I never marked all of half nations and quarter nations, but Slovenia and Albania are definitely half nations.

hey , i havent role played before, but id like to give it a shot, . i dont know how to go about this, and the information at thestart is fairly overwhelming :( so any help would be apreciated

RED LIST

These nations have either contributed very little or nothing at all. If you are one of the nations listed below, please post something ASAP:

New Slovakia
Military Command
Maldorians
Zelron
[NS]Kreynoria
Helexeo
Lylybium
Lexington SC
We must free this territories up for new players now. All these above are absolutely passive in Earth-V. The only thing they have done is claiming land.
And we need to add Merriam-webster to this list.

Let the countries be unclaimed.

We're having a couple of "important" nations in the list above, such as France, Japan, Russia, China...

Kick them out, and let new players claim these territories. Mabyme United Earthlings want to claim France (and Netherlands+Belgium) i.e.? I don't know...

hey , i havent role played before, but id like to give it a shot, . i dont know how to go about this, and the information at thestart is fairly overwhelming :( so any help would be apreciated

First of all, welcome!

The first thing you need to do is pick a country (or two countries with your population) and claim it. Choose wisely because the claim will be your base from which you will try to conquer the world. ;)

That was the easy part, now come a few more difficult things to do. In this Earth, we use RL (Real Life) statistics: populations, Military Equipment you have etc. By using the following formula: your NS Population/your Claimed territory's population you get a number (forget the stupid English name, and Maths isn't my best subject either :confused:). That Number x your NS Budget(which you can find here (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=The+9th+founding)) and you'll have your realistic budget.

Next step is too RP the takeover of your territory with the forces you have. Just say you are fighting the last battles in a rebellion or something.

I hope you understand it now, I'm a bit unsure about the Budget part, but maybe someone else (Kopparbergs ;) ) can help you out.

We must free this territories up for new players now. All these above are absolutely passive in Earth-V. The only thing they have done is claiming land.
And we need to add Merriam-webster to this list.

Let the countries be unclaimed.

We're having a couple of "important" nations in the list above, such as France, Japan, Russia, China...

Kick them out, and let new players claim these territories. Mabyme United Earthlings want to claim France (and Netherlands+Belgium) i.e.? I don't know...
ALM, let's clear it.

oh. cheers for the welcome.. well.. the budget i go by is my GDP right?

i take it this is the OOC thread then. emm im gona need help with the military stuff. mainly how to work it out in my budget and what to use. also. is their a region i should join? :)

I would like to know if I can get some help with how to play and everything. I would like to know what era this is 1950's 60's 70's 80's or later or earlier? Thank you very much.

I would like to know if I can get some help with how to play and everything. I would like to know what era this is 1950's 60's 70's 80's or later or earlier? Thank you very much.

Your territorys been given away. its 2008 though.

Your territorys been given away. its 2008 though.

Well I would have played more if I had clear ways to RP the countries that I had. I would have done more then what I did. Thank you very much.

Except that it's still 2006.

Your territorys been given away. its 2008 though.
No, no, no.

His territory will be given away if he doesn't post anything before ALM deletes it from his claims list. But he just did.
It's not 2008. It's 2006.

No, no, no.

His territory will be given away if he doesn't post anything before ALM deletes it from his claims list. But he just did.
It's not 2008. It's 2006.

Could I get some help with the RP becuase I would really like to play. If you TG or IM me I would be happy for whatever help I can get please. Thank you very much.

No, no, no.

His territory will be given away if he doesn't post anything before ALM deletes it from his claims list. But he just did.
It's not 2008. It's 2006.


Its 2008 E5 time.

If anyone can give me some help I would like that very much. Thank you very much. Please get a hold of me at cavtanker2742 on MSN or YIM thank you.

I need help figuring out my countries budgets and everything. Please TG with info and everything.

Ok. Seeing how "Well developed and older nations can claim uup to 3 full nations" I would like to claim the following: S.ovenia (1/2), Italy(1), Albania(1/2), and Spain(1)... basically all of my former european territories except for Croatia and Bosnia, which I am getting back from GR.

United Earthlings, I welcome your switch in your nation selections! Perhaps we can continue relations.

Ok. Seeing how "Well developed and older nations can claim uup to 3 full nations" I would like to claim the following: S.ovenia (1/2), Italy(1), Albania(1/2), and Spain(1)... basically all of my former european territories except for Croatia and Bosnia, which I am getting back from GR.

United Earthlings, I welcome your switch in your nation selections! Perhaps we can continue relations.

We must free this territories up for new players now. All these above are absolutely passive in Earth-V. The only thing they have done is claiming land.
And we need to add Merriam-webster to this list.

Let the countries be unclaimed.

We're having a couple of "important" nations in the list above, such as France, Japan, Russia, China...

Kick them out, and let new players claim these territories. Mabyme United Earthlings want to claim France (and Netherlands+Belgium) i.e.? I don't know...

Thats what I was thinking, Claim France(1), Netherlands+Belgium(1) and then the Island of Corsica. That ok with you, Sixth?

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Ok. Seeing how "Well developed and older nations can claim up to 3 full nations" I would like to claim the following: S.ovenia (1/2), Italy(1), Albania(1/2), and Spain(1)... basically all of my former european territories except for Croatia and Bosnia, which I am getting back from GR.

United Earthlings, I welcome your switch in your nation selections! Perhaps we can continue relations.

As soon as I get offical claims, which is hopefully soon. I will establish diplomatic relations with you. Maybe even an alliance or something. We fight each other when we can be friends. My claims stated above would be nice, that way I'm atleast still near Italy and the nice Med.

Thats what I was thinking, Claim France(1), Netherlands+Belgium(1) and then the Island of Corsica. That ok with you, Sixth?

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As soon as I get offical claims, which is hopefully soon. I will establish diplomatic relations with you. Maybe even an alliance or something. We fight each other when we can be friends. My claims stated above would be nice, that way I'm atleast still near Italy and the nice Med.

If you read The Great Sixith Reich post I still have my nations.

If you read The Great Sixith Reich post I still have my nations.

Yeah, but thought you lefted/had become inactive. But, since your still here, I pick something else.

I still would like Belgium+The Netherlands. I have to think of other different nations to pick then.

TG6R Poland is it ok if I claim Spain, its the only other Major nation in Europe not taken yet.

Ok. Seeing how "Well developed and older nations can claim uup to 3 full nations" I would like to claim the following: S.ovenia (1/2), Italy(1), Albania(1/2), and Spain(1)... basically all of my former european territories except for Croatia and Bosnia, which I am getting back from GR.

United Earthlings, I welcome your switch in your nation selections! Perhaps we can continue relations.
Confirmed, except for Spain.

ALM, let's clear it.

Ok... doing.

No, no, no.

1. His territory will be given away if he doesn't post anything before ALM deletes it from his claims list. But he just did.
2. It's not 2008. It's 2006.

Ok, not him... doing.


Its 2008 E5 time.


It's sometime in the 21st century, but due to the time mechanics of temporal fluidity, I don't think anyone will ever know exactly. For certain are the beginnings and the ends of the year [RL weeks], but what number they constitute shall herein remain a mystery for all to ponder and stick out the ten bottles of aspirin doing so. And I wouldn't consider arguing the date with the guy who makes the date anyways...

Ok. Seeing how "Well developed and older nations can claim uup to 3 full nations" I would like to claim the following: S.ovenia (1/2), Italy(1), Albania(1/2), and Spain(1)... basically all of my former european territories except for Croatia and Bosnia, which I am getting back from GR.

United Earthlings, I welcome your switch in your nation selections! Perhaps we can continue relations.

Ehhhhh... this is a headache already, because some other fella [Philanchez] claimed Spain...

And for United Earthlings - I'd love to keep ya, but Military Command is sticking his head back into the noose, and part of your news claims include his old ones... So until further notice, the map thread will not be updated, save for all those that are certainly deleted. I will hopefully have this resolvved, but don't expect to see it nice and tidy until at least after tomorrow. This weekend is turning out to be a workfest, along with the sneezing, the snorting, the sniffing, and the BLAZING stuft-up nose [no, it's allegries and I forgot to take my medication].

And a welcome to all the new guys [only one i see?], a beautiful return to Vineyards [I don't think formally did such a greeting], and a solid wall of rotten eggs for the rest of ya wondering what to do.

Yeah, but thought you lefted/had become inactive. But, since your still here, I pick something else.

I still would like Belgium+The Netherlands. I have to think of other different nations to pick then.

TG6R Poland is it ok if I claim Spain, its the only other Major nation in Europe not taken yet.
What about Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlands, Ireland, and Monaco?

What about Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlands, Ireland, and Monaco?

Ok, I think I picked out what I want. I would official like to claim as my nations the following.

Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Venezuela and Sri Lanka

Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxembourg and Sri Lanka are all each .5 nations so that gives me 2 plus 1 as Venezuela. So that makes 3.

Is that acceptable with you?

Sorry about the Spain thing, I didn't notice until after I had post and I checked the map.

Ok, I think I picked out what I want. I would official like to claim as my nations the following.

Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Venezuela and Sri Lanka

Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxembourg and Sri Lanka are all each .5 nations so that gives me 2 plus 1 as Venezuela. So that makes 3.

Is that acceptable with you?

Sorry about the Spain thing, I didn't notice until after I had post and I checked the map.
Yes.

Yes.

Ok, good. I'm glad thats all worked out. I'll create a factbook tomorrow or Monday and redo my budget and army and everything.

Thanks for all your help and patience.

Can anyone help me with a factbook and a budget and everything for my nation please? Please IM me on my msn, aim, or yim to talk to. Thank you.

Military Command, Budget
NS-population: 1,012,000,000
RL-population: 206,758,256
Factor: 0.204
NS-Defense budget: $8,051,569
Earth-V Defense Budget: $1,644,989

Allowed military personnel:
2% = 4,135,165
3% reserve = 6,202,748

Population
Japan: 127,463,611
France: 60,876,136
Michigan: 10,120,860
Ohio: 11,464,042
Corsica: -260,196
Brittany: -2,906,197

I've added you at YIM (Kpbgs).

EDIT: I forgot that you don't have Brittany, I've corrected this now.

oh. cheers for the welcome.. well.. the budget i go by is my GDP right?

i take it this is the OOC thread then. emm im gona need help with the military stuff. mainly how to work it out in my budget and what to use. also. is their a region i should join? :)
Welcome The 9th founding! Happy to see new players here in Earth V!

The budget you're going to use here is the post under defense on thirdgeek (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=The+9th+founding). But you have to recalulate it because we're using RL (Real Life) population here. You have to claim one or more nations first, before we can calculate your budget. But here's an example (taken from the budget I calculated for "Military Command"):

NS-population: 1,012,000,000
RL-population: 206,758,256 (all your claimed nations added together, figures from CIA-factbook (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html))
Your factor: (206,758,256/1,012,000,000) 0,204
NS Defense budget: $8,051,569 million (from thirdgeek (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Military+Command))
Earth-V budget (NS defense * factor 0,204) $1,644,989 million


The military stuff you can use is limited to the stuff the RL-nation has. Look at i.e. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org) to get an idea of what stuff your nation uses. You can also look at Globalsecurity (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/index.html) if your nation is listed there. You can buy stuff from others, but you're limited to other Earth-V players!

And the region, no you can stay in your region, that really doesn't matter.

Look in the map-thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109) to see which nations you can claim, the list in this thread is out of date.

Oops, I almost forgotten one thing. You're allowed to have 2% of your population active in the military. If you're in a war you can have an additional 3% (reserves) which makes 5% total. If you're playing a nation with war as "tradition" (think Korea) you can have 10% of your population.

To see the quality of your military troops, you first have to divide your defense-budget in half (one half for logistics and to buy new stuff for, and the other half goes for the troops). Then you have to decide how much of your military should be troops and logistics, maybe 60-75% logistics? Calculate how many troops you have, and divide the budget for troops with this amount. About $200,000 dollars per troop is considered very elite.

Enjoy the game!

I told ya Kopparbergs would be a better help :p

Welcome The 9th founding! Happy to see new players here in Earth V!

The budget you're going to use here is the post under defense on thirdgeek (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=The+9th+founding). But you have to recalulate it because we're using RL (Real Life) population here. You have to claim one or more nations first, before we can calculate your budget. But here's an example (taken from the budget I calculated for "Military Command"):

NS-population: 1,012,000,000
RL-population: 206,758,256 (all your claimed nations added together, figures from CIA-factbook (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html))
Your factor: (1012000000 / 206758256) 0,204
NS Defense budget: $8,051,569 million (from thirdgeek (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Military+Command))
Earth-V budget (NS defense * factor 0,204) $1,644,989 million


The military stuff you can use is limited to the stuff the RL-nation has. Look at i.e. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org) to get an idea of what stuff your nation uses. You can also look at Globalsecurity (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/index.html) if your nation is listed there. You can buy stuff from others, but you're limited to other Earth-V players!

And the region, no you can stay in your region, that really doesn't matter.

Look in the map-thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109) to see which nations you can claim, the list in this thread is out of date.

Oops, I almost forgotten one thing. You're allowed to have 2% of your population active in the military. If you're in a war you can have an additional 3% (reserves) which makes 5% total. If you're playing a nation with war as "tradition" (think Korea) you can have 10% of your population.

To see the quality of your military troops, you first have to divide your defense-budget in half (one half for logistics and to buy new stuff for, and the other half goes for the troops). Then you have to decide how much of your military should be troops and logistics, maybe 60-75% logistics? Calculate how many troops you have, and divide the budget for troops with this amount. About $200,000 dollars per troop is considered very elite.

Enjoy the game!

For clarity, do you divided your NS population by the Real life population or vise versa. Because 1,012,000,000 divided by 206,758,256 does not equal 0.204, However 206,758,256 divided by 1,012,000,000 does equal 0.204

So, which way is it? NS/RL or RL/NS?

For clarity, do you divided your NS population by the Real life population or vise versa. Because 1,012,000,000 divided by 206,758,256 does not equal 0.204, However 206,758,256 divided by 1,012,000,000 does equal 0.204

So, which way is it? NS/RL or RL/NS?
Oop, I'm sorry for the little bug. It should be RL-pop/NS-pop, I'll edit the post above.

Thank you for clarifying this!

ALM, could you please mark Australia as being invaded? thanks :D

thanks Kopparbergs for the help :D emm id like to pick ireland if thats ok. preferably north and south.. i read somewhere that north was inactive?

so with my rl population devided by my nationstates population i get .003

so i use this to devide or multiply my defence budget?

Ehhhhh... this is a headache already, because some other fella [Philanchez] claimed Spain...

The claims list says that I have spain.

"Spain: Vineyard"
So I don't really see the problem. TG6R confirmed my claims I believe..

The claims lists seriously need updating, a lot of nations are not even confirmed there. (Me for example :confused:)

TG6R Keeps rambling about an ALM list. Where is it? What is it?

SInce Spain IS apparently taken, ill take the Democratic Republic of the Congo instead.

That makes it Italy, Slovenia, Albania, DRC.

TG6R Keeps rambling about an ALM list. Where is it? What is it?

SInce Spain IS apparently taken, ill take the Democratic Republic of the Congo instead.

That makes it Italy, Slovenia, Albania, DRC.
Confirmed.

Welcome The 9th founding! Happy to see new players here in Earth V!

The budget you're going to use here is the post under defense on thirdgeek (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=The+9th+founding). But you have to recalulate it because we're using RL (Real Life) population here. You have to claim one or more nations first, before we can calculate your budget. But here's an example (taken from the budget I calculated for "Military Command"):

NS-population: 1,012,000,000
RL-population: 206,758,256 (all your claimed nations added together, figures from CIA-factbook (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html))
Your factor: (206,758,256/1,012,000,000) 0,204
NS Defense budget: $8,051,569 million (from thirdgeek (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Military+Command))
Earth-V budget (NS defense * factor 0,204) $1,644,989 million


The military stuff you can use is limited to the stuff the RL-nation has. Look at i.e. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org) to get an idea of what stuff your nation uses. You can also look at Globalsecurity (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/index.html) if your nation is listed there. You can buy stuff from others, but you're limited to other Earth-V players!

And the region, no you can stay in your region, that really doesn't matter.

Look in the map-thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109) to see which nations you can claim, the list in this thread is out of date.

Oops, I almost forgotten one thing. You're allowed to have 2% of your population active in the military. If you're in a war you can have an additional 3% (reserves) which makes 5% total. If you're playing a nation with war as "tradition" (think Korea) you can have 10% of your population.

To see the quality of your military troops, you first have to divide your defense-budget in half (one half for logistics and to buy new stuff for, and the other half goes for the troops). Then you have to decide how much of your military should be troops and logistics, maybe 60-75% logistics? Calculate how many troops you have, and divide the budget for troops with this amount. About $200,000 dollars per troop is considered very elite.

Enjoy the game!


I would like to know if that is to be trillions not millions because I know my military budget is $8.10 Trillion. I was just asking. Thank you.

thanks Kopparbergs for the help :D emm id like to pick ireland if thats ok. preferably north and south.. i read somewhere that north was inactive?

so with my rl population devided by my nationstates population i get .003

so i use this to devide or multiply my defence budget?
Multiply is the correct answer to this question. :)

I would like to know if that is to be trillions not millions because I know my military budget is $8.10 Trillion. I was just asking. Thank you.
It doesn't really matter if you say $8.1 trillion or $8,051,569 million (or even $8,051.6 billion) because it's the same amout of dollars (well you rounded them up a bit).

It doesn't really matter if you say $8.1 trillion or $8,051,569 million (or even $8,051.6 billion) because it's the same amout of dollars (well you rounded them up a bit).

Thank you very much. I would like to know that if you add every nation that I have pop.?

Thank you very much. I would like to know that if you add every nation that I have pop.?
Yepp, you're having 206,758,256 RL-population:

Military Command, Budget
NS-population: 1,012,000,000
RL-population: 206,758,256
Factor: 0.204
NS-Defense budget: $8,051,569 million
Earth-V Defense Budget: $1,644,989 million

Allowed military personnel:
2% = 4,135,165
3% reserve = 6,202,748

Population
Japan: 127,463,611
France: 60,876,136
Michigan: 10,120,860
Ohio: 11,464,042
Corsica: -260,196
Brittany: -2,906,197

Yepp, you're having 206,758,256 RL-population:

Military Command, Budget
NS-population: 1,012,000,000
RL-population: 206,758,256
Factor: 0.204
NS-Defense budget: $8,051,569 million
Earth-V Defense Budget: $1,644,989 million

Allowed military personnel:
2% = 4,135,165
3% reserve = 6,202,748

Population
Japan: 127,463,611
France: 60,876,136
Michigan: 10,120,860
Ohio: 11,464,042
Corsica: -260,196
Brittany: -2,906,197

Ok thanks. Now I would like to have a elite trained military how much would have cost? Then from there I would go and buy military weapons and equipment. Thanks

ahhh im getting a bit confused. . so i use my NS defence budget in US dollars.. then multiply it by the number my NS population devided by my countries RL population? :confused:

ahhh im getting a bit confused. . so i use my NS defence budget in US dollars.. then multiply it by the number my NS population devided by my countries RL population? :confused:
Yes, sort of... :)

Another, simple, example; let's say you have 1,000,000,000 NS-pop, and 100,000,000 RL-pop, let's also say that your NS-defense budget is 3,000,000 million USD.

1) Calculate the "budget-factor", take RL-population and divide it with your NS-population: 100,000,000 / 1,000,000,000 = 0.1. Your budget-factor is 0.1.

2) Take you defense-budget from thirdgeek and multiply it with your budget-factor. In this case: 3,000,000 million * 0.1 = 300,000 million. Your Earth-V defense-budget is 300,000 million (or 300 billion, or 0.3 trillion, or simple 3,000,000,000,000 USD).

Damn, can't we crown Kopparbergs as the über-Budget God/Moderator? :p

Ok thanks. Now I would like to have a elite trained military how much would have cost? Then from there I would go and buy military weapons and equipment. Thanks
You don't need to buy military equipment to start with. You're having all the stuff that your nations have in RL already. Look at wikipedia and globalsecurity to find out what that is.

And you're going to have elite trained troops with this figures. Let's say you'll have 50% logistics, which is low, you will pay $397,805 per troop, and that's über-über-elite! If you raise your logistics-ratio your troops will get even moore dollars, but you will have less troops.

50% of the defense-budget is for the logistics (and planes, ships, and everything else but the troops), and the other half is for the troops only. Just divide the half defense-budget with the amount of troops you have (excl. logistics) to see how much every single troop gets. $200,000 is elite.

Damn, can't we crown Kopparbergs as the über-Budget God/Moderator? :p
Ha ha! Thanks!

I just want to get new players involved in Earth-V, and I understand that our RL-based rules is a bit complicated, and maybe deterrent... :)

It is complicated, I'm having difficulties with it too. But it makes everything more realistic.

But I still miss the Largest Carrier Force of E5 :(

Wait...

With 50% Logistics, my budget per Combat Soldier, National Army Reserve included, is...

800684.03 USD :eek:

I must've made a mistake...

You don't need to buy military equipment to start with. You're having all the stuff that your nations have in RL already. Look at wikipedia and globalsecurity to find out what that is.

And you're going to have elite trained troops with this figures. Let's say you'll have 50% logistics, which is low, you will pay $397,805 per troop, and that's über-über-elite! If you raise your logistics-ratio your troops will get even moore dollars, but you will have less troops.

50% of the defense-budget is for the logistics (and planes, ships, and everything else but the troops), and the other half is for the troops only. Just divide the half defense-budget with the amount of troops you have (excl. logistics) to see how much every single troop gets. $200,000 is elite.

Well I would like to know if I can transfer parts of the Wikipedia for the French and Japaness Military and make an NS Wikipedia of the two for Earth V so I know what have and everything? Because I was going to keep the org and everything from the two nations military. I am not sure what to do with the two states that I own because I am not sure that they are going to be able to give me a big help to my military.

Hey, I'm interested in joining Earth V, it would be nice to have a realistic RP for once. I'd like Rethan, my new nation to join but as of right now it's way too small. If you're looking for experience, I've been on NS for about a year (or is it two? I can never remember).

Anyway, a couple of questions about how you work.

1. I understand we start with the military of the country we claim, but can you ever change that during your time in charge? Such as developing new weapons and tank etc...
2.Do we always use the altered budget and population?

If possible can someone answer these questions. No hurry, my population's only 23 million, and I see I need at least 200 million.

To answer your questions:
1.You can change your stats, buy new stuff, develop new stuff etc. But in a realistic way, no Rethan CVN's in two days when you RP Madagaskar or something :p
2. Yup, we will always use an altered budget.

But you have RP experience, so TG6R may admit you. he's always looking for good RPers, no matter how old their nation is.

Well I would like to know if I can transfer parts of the Wikipedia for the French and Japaness Military and make an NS Wikipedia of the two for Earth V so I know what have and everything? Because I was going to keep the org and everything from the two nations military. I am not sure what to do with the two states that I own because I am not sure that they are going to be able to give me a big help to my military.
Yes, that's a great idea. But you also must post your military stats in the Military Declarations Thread of Earth-V (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492526). You can start with at post that tells how big your military-machine is, and then add equipment and such when you discover more things. Look at the other posts there.

Yes, the two states are dificult to know what to do with...

hey Im back. sorry i intermitantly disappear. i just have other stuff to catch up on. anyways Im back now yay!!!

TG6R Keeps rambling about an ALM list. Where is it? What is it?

SInce Spain IS apparently taken, ill take the Democratic Republic of the Congo instead.

That makes it Italy, Slovenia, Albania, DRC.

(Phony southern accent. youre in my back yard now boy................) referring to the democratic republic of congo.

anyways its all good. welcome to the neighbourhood. :)

(BTW is Zimbabwe still Vineyards? i just need a bit of clarification before i invade it....)

Yes, sort of... :)

Another, simple, example; let's say you have 1,000,000,000 NS-pop, and 100,000,000 RL-pop, let's also say that your NS-defense budget is 3,000,000 million USD.

1) Calculate the "budget-factor", take RL-population and divide it with your NS-population: 100,000,000 / 1,000,000,000 = 0.1. Your budget-factor is 0.1.

2) Take you defense-budget from thirdgeek and multiply it with your budget-factor. In this case: 3,000,000 million * 0.1 = 300,000 million. Your Earth-V defense-budget is 300,000 million (or 300 billion, or 0.3 trillion, or simple 3,000,000,000,000 USD).


thanks once again :D ok so i have a NS population of 1.2 bil and ireland and northern ireland have a combined population of 5,747,235 (cia world fact book, and northern ireland wikipedia). and my NS defence budget is 6trillion. so

i devide 5,747,235 / 1,200,000,000 giving me a "budget-factor" of .004
so if i multiply my NS defence budget ( 6.03 trillion) by .004 i get 24.120 billion.. and thats my defence budget?

if so, how do we manage population changes? and if my NS defence budget drops in amount?

is it also ok if i RP ireland , and northern ireland?

thanks once again :D ok so i have a NS population of 1.2 bil and ireland and northern ireland have a combined population of 5,747,235 (cia world fact book, and northern ireland wikipedia). and my NS defence budget is 6trillion. so

i devide 5,747,235 / 1,200,000,000 giving me a "budget-factor" of .004
so if i multiply my NS defence budget ( 6.03 trillion) by .004 i get 24.120 billion.. and thats my defence budget?

if so, how do we manage population changes? and if my NS defence budget drops in amount?

is it also ok if i RP ireland , and northern ireland?
Yes.

Population changes are handled through Sharina.

To answer your questions:
1.You can change your stats, buy new stuff, develop new stuff etc. But in a realistic way, no Rethan CVN's in two days when you RP Madagaskar or something :p
2. Yup, we will always use an altered budget.

But you have RP experience, so TG6R may admit you. he's always looking for good RPers, no matter how old their nation is.

Thanks for the answers, they really helped. As for the second part...well even if he doesn't mind my being small I'd feel kind of vulnerable being the only one not with 100 million. Of course I'd be happy if I was. :D

Rethan']Thanks for the answers, they really helped. As for the second part...well even if he doesn't mind my being small I'd feel kind of vulnerable being the only one not with 100 million. Of course I'd be happy if I was. :D
Well, you can always get some friends/allies.

But you MAY be strong and have a small NS-population, because we use RL-based population here. An example (with your figures):

NS-pop: 26 million
NS Defense budget: 23,032 million
RL-pop: 100 million (factor 3,846)
Earth-V Defense budget: 88,505 million

TG6R Keeps rambling about an ALM list. Where is it? What is it?

SInce Spain IS apparently taken, ill take the Democratic Republic of the Congo instead.

That makes it Italy, Slovenia, Albania, DRC.

That would be here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109

Also, check your Vineyard TGs...

cool. so now that i have my budget factor worked out.. i have to find out what both my coutries militarys stand at.. does anyone know where i can find this? ive been looking at havent found anything. also what do i do with northern ireland? considering that in RL there british soldiers stationed there that would be armed differently and with more expensive wepons than the south?

Okayy...

This is me trying to figure out what happened in between then and now:

As far as I have the list, this is the claims to be updated to the map:

Vineyard: Italy, Slovenia, Albania, DRC

United Earthlings: Belgium, Netherlands, Louxembourg, Venezuela, and Sri Lanka

Warta Endor: [for the 30474362754389585928th time] Australia [I got you the first time, never had time to update it on the web though...]

The 9th Founding: Ireland, UK [Northern Ireland]

Great Romeo: cedes Bosnia and Croatia to Vineyard sooo...

Vineyard: Italy, Slovenia, Albania, DRC, Bosnia, Croatia.


IS THIS ALL CORRECT?

yeh im happy with ireland and teh north*

I would like to claim Wake Island. Please Confirm.

I would like to claim Wake Island. Please Confirm.
I think you must invade it, as your claim-limit is full.

Okayy...

This is me trying to figure out what happened in between then and now:

As far as I have the list, this is the claims to be updated to the map:

Vineyard: Italy, Slovenia, Albania, DRC

United Earthlings: Belgium, Netherlands, Louxembourg, Venezuela, and Sri Lanka

Warta Endor: [for the 30474362754389585928th time] Australia [I got you the first time, never had time to update it on the web though...]

The 9th Founding: Ireland, UK [Northern Ireland]

Great Romeo: cedes Bosnia and Croatia to Vineyard sooo...

Vineyard: Italy, Slovenia, Albania, DRC, Bosnia, Croatia.


IS THIS ALL CORRECT?

Sounds about right, one little thing though, I claimed Luxembourg, not Louxembourg- which is a country that doesn't exist to my knowledge- unless of course their's more then 1 way to spell Luxembourg in English.

But, yes I have layed claim to Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxembourg, Venezuela and Sri Lanka.

I'm not sure about The 9th Founding claims but you got mine and Vineyards right- Vineyard has claimed Italy, Slovenia, Albania, DRC, Bosnia, Croatia.

I think you must invade it, as your claim-limit is full.

That wont be hard. Wake Island has no inhabitants. Ill post the take over of wake in la Vita Loca.

I would like to ask about the tax rates. This is seldom brought up but it is very important via military.

Many people have 100 % tax rates, which give them an advantage when it comes to budgets yet I ask can a nation function with 100 % tax rates?

The Usual defense against this is that the NS thing is wrong but the person controlling the nation controls the taxes so they brought it upon themselves.

I just want to know how that is dealt with as I fear it gives players unfair advantages.

That wont be hard. Wake Island has no inhabitants. Ill post the take over of wake in la Vita Loca.
I know, but with the "invasion-way" you're not limited to the claim-rules (base on NS-population).

And you'll never know if Sharina or Warta Endor will contest your invasion of the tiny island, they are active in that area...

I would like to ask about the tax rates. This is seldom brought up but it is very important via military.

Many people have 100 % tax rates,
Hmm... I've never thought about it. I have 40%, and that may be the reason why I have smaller defense budget than nations with similar population. But my economy is very good.

Nations with 100% tax rates generally have most, if not all, of their economy being state owned and part of the public sector. Basicly a planned economy like those used most often in communist nations.

Of which hardly to never work. Still if that is the case than at what limit is the private sector set at i wonder [hopefully that came out right].

Could i say that private industry funds a large portion of my military and thus can raise the defense budget to my every whim?

So you want to Privatize your Armed Forces :eek:

Sorry for the repeating ALm, i just wanted to make clear that you got it ;)

What i meant is there is no offical way to keep track of that.

Secondly nobody RP's internal conflicts yet would you be angry at 100 % taxes?

Don't worry guys I haven't fully forgotten this. I will post something...something as soon as I get back from vacation (Thursday).

haha well hears a joke. i got sum heart tests done, and appaently im not well, sumtin genetic :rolleyes: either way ill be busy being in hospital with tests and well. treatment for according to my gp the next few months. so i wont have time for any RP .. em.. cheers for teh welcome tho :fluffle:

oh eh.. its not really a joke

The Government of United Federation of Military Command, Section French Military Command would like to either claim Corsica for the French Military Command. The Japaness Military Command would also like to place claims for both the Koreas too. We would like to claim them thought diplomaticly and not have to get into a military confict just yet. Thank you very much.

I'll be gone till Friday. A little WWI trip to Verdun. If anything happens that concerns me, please TG me or (if it's very, very, VERY important) mail me:

Michiel_Knoops@hotmail.com

BTW: MC, I think you'll have to RP a takeover...

I have these claims awaiting TG6R official recognition:

Military Command: Korea, Corsica

DP: Wake Island

otherwise, they go into the bucket of unofficial claims - which are still claims...

the Red Sea War officially began 14AUG2006. It is now 8 days later [1 year and some] and we have yet to begin. If no one else starts to post military stats [as I think that I am the only one who took the time to do that], I'm going to upgrade my forces ICly, since I'm not going to RP attacks or defenses against forces of which I know verry little of [especially for Sistan, since I'm not fighting their entire army. Quite frankly as well, I'm seriously considering just godmoding a victory in Ethiopia, because the only thing that I've heard is that Asherton is moving into a dorm, in which case, Sistan should be posting his own stats anyway!, and Asherton should let us all know when he'll be available to resume operations. Either that, or call off the whole war sheebang.

I have these claims awaiting TG6R official recognition:

Military Command: Korea, Corsica

DP: Wake Island

otherwise, they go into the bucket of unofficial claims - which are still claims...
Both denied. There is no claiming addition land OOC after joining the RP, remember?

OOC: Well, I'm back from a break of NS. I had a ton of work related issues and also family issues arise. I'm back now and I don't see any other issues with my rping in the future. It appears that the Red Sea War has died down a bit. What has happened if anything?

Asherton is in his dorm now, but has an enormous workload for the week. I work a full time job. We're in the process of hammering out the numbers you wanted so much, so I'd suggest cooling it unless you want to take on my entire military. BTW, update your forces and I'll update mine with the forces I have in production, and if that happens you won't have a chance in hell.

I would claim Italia if I may.

ha no its cool got the all clear :D

so if its ok that i have all of the island of ireland. when do we start RPing and is their a particular way i should do it? ie hostel take over? new political movment?

I'm interested in claiming China....If that's possible...

I would claim Italia if I may.


Dude look at the claims before you claim, smart one.

Asherton is in his dorm now, but has an enormous workload for the week. I work a full time job. We're in the process of hammering out the numbers you wanted so much, so I'd suggest cooling it unless you want to take on my entire military. BTW, update your forces and I'll update mine with the forces I have in production, and if that happens you won't have a chance in hell.

At least we know how long to wait now. And I ultimately wonder with what industry Sistan and Asherton intend to build their "chance in hell" military. Otherwise, I will cool it.

Both denied. There is no claiming addition land OOC after joining the RP, remember?

I had the impression that these were invade claims. But oh well...

Dude look at the claims before you claim, smart one.

The list of available territory is here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109

It's also on the first page under "Map"

I'm interested in claiming China....If that's possible...
China's a huge country divided into four parts for Earth V purposes: Northwest, Northeast, Southwest, and Southeast. It's possible to claim three parts to start off.

so we cant start now? , just RP teh take over of ur country/ies

em id also like to know, what does a fact book have to include?

so we cant start now? , just RP teh take over of ur country/ies
Ja.

China's a huge country divided into four parts for Earth V purposes: Northwest, Northeast, Southwest, and Southeast. It's possible to claim three parts to start off.

Alright....then I'll claim Southeast, southwest, and Northeast China.

Dweladleifa Prime is going to claim.

* Anguillita Island
* Dog Island
* East Cay
* Little Scrub Island
* Prickly Pear Cays
* Sandy Island
* Scrub Island
* Seal Island
* Sombrero
* West Cay
* Antigua
* Barbuda
* Redonda
*Barbados
*Culpepper Island
*Pelican Island
*British Virgin Islands
*Dominica
*Grenada
*Guadeloupe
*Dominican Republic
*Haiti
*Martinique
*Montserrat
*Netherlands Antilles
*Puerto Rico
*Saint Kitts and Nevis
*Saint Lucia
*Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
*Trinidad and Tobago
*United States Virgin Islands

All of these claims will be rped in La Vita Loca.

And I ultimately wonder with what industry Sistan and Asherton intend to build their "chance in hell" military.
With the one expanded on the existing RL Iranian industry that produces almost all of Iran's military hardware. Protip: Iran's military is almost entirely self sufficient. Egypt's, Saudi's, and Israel's aren't. BTW, my econonomy and military budget is head and shoulders above yours, Kopparbergs', and Arabicia's.

Dweladleifa Prime is going to claim.

* Anguillita Island
* Dog Island
* East Cay
* Little Scrub Island
* Prickly Pear Cays
* Sandy Island
* Scrub Island
* Seal Island
* Sombrero
* West Cay
* Antigua
* Barbuda
* Redonda
*Barbados
*Culpepper Island
*Pelican Island
*British Virgin Islands
*Dominica
*Grenada
*Guadeloupe
*Dominican Republic
*Haiti
*Martinique
*Montserrat
*Netherlands Antilles
*Puerto Rico
*Saint Kitts and Nevis
*Saint Lucia
*Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
*Trinidad and Tobago
*United States Virgin Islands

All of these claims will be rped in La Vita Loca.

Thats fine expect for the Netherlands Antilles and Trinidad and Tobago, I'm going to claim them (annex) and also Aruba.

In fact I've been planing to lay my stake at those two Islands for days. I've been meaning to get a post up for days, but it looks like I ran out of time. So, if you could let me have those two Islands I stated, I appreciate it.

In fact, I'm going to go RP my laying claim to it now.

Edit: Islands have been annexed.

where do i post up how much of my defence budget i am putting towards logistics and to troops.. is there a total we must subtract from when we buy new military hardwaer and do we keep track of that total over a period of time?

I'm finally able to get back on Jolt after 8 days.

However, the access is shaky right now, as sometimes I can log in today, and other times I can't. But at least its working for me today whereas I couldn't get it to work at all for the last 8 days.

I'm finally able to get back on Jolt after 8 days.

However, the access is shaky right now, as sometimes I can log in today, and other times I can't. But at least its working for me today whereas I couldn't get it to work at all for the last 8 days.

Welcome back, I hope it keeps working for you.

Anyway, I order some military equipment from you. Its in the main thread. Post #334. So let me know if the orders approved or not.

Thats fine expect for the Netherlands Antilles and Trinidad and Tobago, I'm going to claim them (annex) and also Aruba.

In fact I've been planing to lay my stake at those two Islands for days. I've been meaning to get a post up for days, but it looks like I ran out of time. So, if you could let me have those two Islands I stated, I appreciate it.

In fact, I'm going to go RP my laying claim to it now.

Edit: Islands have been annexed.

BNo you wont you will fight me for them. And if you fight me for them I will be rolling into venesuallia. And theat wont be pretty. SO LAY OFF!

If you want to rp against me we will do it in La vita loca. Any probloms with that TO BAD.

Sharinia check your TGs.

I'd like to get in on this. I've had a long standing interest in MT, just never found the right place to RP it.

If I'm allowed in, can I have New Zealand?

I'd like to get in on this. I've had a long standing interest in MT, just never found the right place to RP it.

If I'm allowed in, can I have New Zealand?

LOOK AT THE FREAKING CLAIMS SMART ONE!!!!!!!

I wish to join this RP, but I don't know what I could do. I have an idea about Uniting Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan into one country, but I don't know if I could Armenia and Azerbaijan... then invade Georgia, seeing as it still has troops from a former player.

In reality it's up to. I will stand by whateve decision you guys make.

I wish to join this RP, but I don't know what I could do. I have an idea about Uniting Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan into one country, but I don't know if I could Armenia and Azerbaijan... then invade Georgia, seeing as it still has troops from a former player.

In reality it's up to. I will stand by whateve decision you guys make.

Who a perosn who can read the claim list. I LOVE YOU!!!!!! Contact my nation when your set up.

BNo you wont you will fight me for them. And if you fight me for them I will be rolling into venesuallia. And theat wont be pretty. SO LAY OFF!

If you want to rp against me we will do it in La vita loca. Any probloms with that TO BAD.
Cut the shit. You tried this same crap in the Pacific. You own most of South America, is that not enough? Stop constantly trying to fuck new players out of territory. If anyone should have the Caribbean, it should be Sharina out of imminent domain. I'd suggest staying out of the Caribbean unless you want to risk earning the ire of the nation that controls almost all of the land that these islands seperate from the Atlantic.

Who a perosn who can read the claim list. I LOVE YOU!!!!!! Contact my nation when your set up.
I'll let the Admin decide beforehand, but if it is all is good I will do so.

I wish to join this RP, but I don't know what I could do. I have an idea about Uniting Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan into one country, but I don't know if I could Armenia and Azerbaijan... then invade Georgia, seeing as it still has troops from a former player.

In reality it's up to. I will stand by whateve decision you guys make.
Well, I'm invading Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia at the moment. If you want to RP a resistance and try to get my troops out and achieve independance, I won't be against it.

I'll think about it.

Cut the shit. You tried this same crap in the Pacific. You own most of South America, is that not enough? Stop constantly trying to fuck new players out of territory. If anyone should have the Caribbean, it should be Sharina out of imminent domain. I'd suggest staying out of the Caribbean unless you want to risk earning the ire of the nation that controls almost all of the land that these islands seperate from the Atlantic.

Dude Im not going to let some pompess n00b jsut come in and claim what ive already claimed. And holdme back. Thats just showing weakness.

Dude Im not going to let some pompess n00b jsut come in and claim what ive already claimed. And holdme back. Thats just showing weakness.
No, it's being an asshole.

Might I see the thread or post where you announced your invasion of Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan?

LOOK AT THE FREAKING CLAIMS SMART ONE!!!!!!!

New Zealand: Mauiwowee

:rolleyes:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11547331&postcount=1

Specifically, "Other forces moved into Oman, Qatar, Eastern Syria, Armenia, and Azerbaijan to prevent them from being used by enemy forces."

Huge map (http://www.freewebs.com/sistan/Images/Mideast_invasions.jpg) (3.2mb)

Ahhh ok, I looked around for it. It seems I didn't look hard enough. Hmmm Rping the resistance does sound very tempting. Basically the resistance would the former Armenian/Azeri Military right?

BNo you wont you will fight me for them. And if you fight me for them I will be rolling into venesuallia. And theat wont be pretty. SO LAY OFF!

If you want to rp against me we will do it in La vita loca. Any probloms with that TO BAD.

Actually, if you want them, your going to have to take them from me. And that won't be so easy. You said you were going to claim them, when I made my post you hadn't yet. I beat you to the punch and annexed them into my nation before you, you lost the race.

Besides the Islands our closer to my nation then yours so in the RP, I beat getting their before you as I can get my troops their faster.

Besides, its 4 Islands. You going to annex 3 countries and about 15 or so Islands. Your making a big deal out of 4 Islands. But, if you want to attack me over some Islands, I'm game. Why I'm here.

That and whatever else you can scrape together. I've got sixty thousand men in the area and near absolute air superiority, so I wouldn't expect them to put up much fight. I'd expect an occupation. Chances are that a military campaign won't drive my forces out on their own, so you'll need to try playing the diplomatic game.

I believe we could work something else. By the way, together the Armenian and Azerijian Armies number around 250,000 but they have limited air power. They use quite advanced Russian Tech, but I can see that Diplomacy would most likey be the best way to end the Occupation.

Actually, if you want them, your going to have to take them from me. And that won't be so easy. You said you were going to claim them, when I made my post you hadn't yet. I beat you to the punch and annexed them into my nation before you, you lost the race.

Besides the Islands our closer to my nation then yours so in the RP, I beat getting their before you as I can get my troops their faster.

Besides, its 4 Islands. You going to annex 3 countries and about 15 or so Islands. Your making a big deal out of 4 Islands. But, if you want to attack me over some Islands, I'm game. Why I'm here.

look at la vita loca I ghave a deal for you there.

:rolleyes:

Well then thats alifs fault. He hasnt updated the claims yet. But New Zealand is owned by Brinkman Isle. Look at the map.

im aware that you can buy rights for certain military assests. but how would you go about getting the abilty to build these assest before anyone else, as i am interested in setting up an industry to produce the latest in military software

TG6R: I need to take a small brerak from this as I've got to get ready for a move this coming weekend. I will update the map, hopefully by the end of today, but I can't guarantee that, as I've also got work this afternoon. So, point being, the map is going to be out-of-date for a little while. At the latest, I'll be back next Wednesday, but I hope to back before then. For certain, I won't be on on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday [the move dates... Monday's a big iffy, so I'm not going to play with it at the moment].

I'll try to get the map in order before this evening, but until then, someone start racking the initial claims and the RP claims...

I don't know about everyone else, but my forces are invading Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Qatar, and Oman. The invasion has yet to be RPed in depth yet, but that will change as soon as I get the last of my ORBAT to an acceptable level. As such, the nations in question should be marked as disputed.

That makes my job a lot more harder if it's a true invasion...

I never said it would be easy, or even successful. All you can really do is try and hope for the best though.

look at la vita loca I ghave a deal for you there.

I replied. Let me know if the deal is good or not. Thanks.

UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE, THESE ARE THE TERRITORY UPDATES TO BE MADE!!!


Spartanox: China [Northeast, Southeast, Southwest]

DP: Anguillita Island, Dog Island, East Cay, Little Scrub Island, Prickly Pear Cays, Sandy Island, Scrub Island, Seal Island, Sombrero, West Cay, Antigua, Barbuda, Redonda, Barbados, Culpepper Island, Pelican Island, British Virgin Islands, Dominica, Grenada, Guadeloupe, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Martinique, Montserrat, Netherlands Antilles, Puerto Rico, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Trinidad and Tobago, United States Virgin Islands [half of these islands aren't even listed in the claims list... and as long as there's a good rp to accompany all of this, okay...]

Azaha: needs to find something else or be prepared to fight Brinkman Isle for it; try here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109

United Earthlings: Netherlands Antilles, Trinidad and Tobago [there is a conflict of possession here, so these two territories are hereafter marked disputed/contested until I see a post claiming their resolution in the ooc thread]

Granate: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia

Well then thats alifs fault. He hasnt updated the claims yet. But New Zealand is owned by Brinkman Isle. Look at the map

Azaha quoted the wrong map thread. That's the old one, and seeing as TG6R's claims are evidentally confusing new players, I'd suggest spoiling it at the moment, or least putting the new map thread in BIG BOLD LETTERS so that no one can confuse the two. And that - I'm afraid - is not my fault.

Again, I insist, the map thread is here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109

ADD - recalled from IC thread

Military Command: Korea, Corsica

UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE, THESE ARE THE TERRITORY UPDATES TO BE MADE!!!


Spartanox: China [Northeast, Southeast, Southwest]

DP: Anguillita Island, Dog Island, East Cay, Little Scrub Island, Prickly Pear Cays, Sandy Island, Scrub Island, Seal Island, Sombrero, West Cay, Antigua, Barbuda, Redonda, Barbados, Culpepper Island, Pelican Island, British Virgin Islands, Dominica, Grenada, Guadeloupe, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Martinique, Montserrat, Netherlands Antilles, Puerto Rico, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Trinidad and Tobago, United States Virgin Islands [half of these islands aren't even listed in the claims list... and as long as there's a good rp to accompany all of this, okay...]

Azaha: needs to find something else or be prepared to fight Brinkman Isle for it; try here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109

United Earthlings: Netherlands Antilles, Trinidad and Tobago [there is a conflict of possession here, so these two territories are hereafter marked disputed/contested until I see a post claiming their resolution in the ooc thread]

Granate: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia



Azaha quoted the wrong map thread. That's the old one, and seeing as TG6R's claims are evidentally confusing new players, I'd suggest spoiling it at the moment, or least putting the new map thread in BIG BOLD LETTERS so that no one can confuse the two. And that - I'm afraid - is not my fault.

Again, I insist, the map thread is here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109

ADD - recalled from IC thread

Military Command: Korea, Corsica
I'll update my claims list.

map is updated...


I'll confirm it for now since Great Romeo's view about the history of Earth V Russians seems true to me.

Look at it this way:

The USSR falls.
The Ukraine goes on.
Decades later Russia still doesn't have a centralized government (just local governments), since nobody wants to submit. Their military is reduced to what local governments can maintain. Poverty after the fall of the USSR continues to worsen.
The Ukraine marches into Russia with humanitarian aid, and announces a new rise of Russia.

And I just had Vineyard contact Tene to confirm that the Earth V Russians wouldn't care about getting a semi-foreign government after all the crap they've been through on Earth V. He confirms that the Russians simply wouldn't care.

(If Sistan wants to continue to debate this with GR, please go to the main thread)

As far as I know, Great Romeo is not Ukraine - Sel Appa is...

As far as I know, Great Romeo is not Ukraine - Sel Appa is...
True. But that was an RL example, as there's also no USSR. ;)

Since me and Sistan are basically contesting over the Caucaus I should probably still make a Factbook, right? I'll get on it.

Regardless a take-over thread should have some beef to it. There is more than invasion or occupation that have to be worked out. I think this goes highly with Russia seeing as how large it is, which if you say is controled by local goverments, would have to be taken one government at a time.

I for one, although new, am already tired of such petty attempts at take-over threads taking 1 or two posts, or simply taking a 1st person.

Sorry for small rant.

Sistan: How about a compromise? Since my forces simply went through southwestern Russia in a Blitzkrieg, they obviously missed some partisan fighters. In particular, we didn't fight anybody in Chechnya. So, what about if I formally have control of Russia (except for Military Command's section) right now, but have to fight a bloody war against Chechnya, like IRL but even worse?

Brinkman Isle: Mine is twelve posts and isn't even done yet. We just have [weak] military control of the southwestern portion, and declared formal control of the rest of the country since we have Moscow. There will be more fighting. But we truly are the most legitimate government possible in Russia right now, since we're essentially the same country historically.

My post wasnt aimed at anyone in particular.

Anyone wanna look over my factobook once it's done, and see if I did it right?

My post wasnt aimed at anyone in particular.
He's paranoid about those "foreign devils." :)

Jolt is becoming more stable for me.

So could someone fill me in with what has happened in the past 8 days? Is there anything that concerns Sharina?

And what is happening with the CSA? The CSA TG'ed me about four states- Michigan, Ohio, West Virginia, and Kentucky I think. He and I are working out a deal in which Sharina gets Michigan and Ohio, and the CSA gets the other 2 states.

I have Michigan and Ohio. I am the United Federation of Military Command.

He and I are working out a deal in which Sharina gets Michigan and Ohio, and the CSA gets the other 2 states.
I think you may have forgotten to post your military stats in the official military declarations thread. At the moment you don't have any military equipment or personnel...

Or have I just missed your post? In that case I apologize...

Jolt is becoming more stable for me.

So could someone fill me in with what has happened in the past 8 days? Is there anything that concerns Sharina?

And what is happening with the CSA? The CSA TG'ed me about four states- Michigan, Ohio, West Virginia, and Kentucky I think. He and I are working out a deal in which Sharina gets Michigan and Ohio, and the CSA gets the other 2 states.

I ordered some military equipment from you, post #344 I think was the post number. The post is in the main thread. If you could process and confirm that order I would be greatful.

I think you may have forgotten to post your military stats in the official military declarations thread. At the moment you don't have any military equipment or personnel...

Or have I just missed your post? In that case I apologize...

Well, I do remember having my military stuff posted a long time ago, I think in the old military thread from a year ago.

However, I haven't had the time to sort out my military according to the new guidelines though, considering today is the first day of semi-stable Jolt access for me.

Sharina,

I also placed an order a while ago that I don't believe you've responded to.

It was for:

75 B-2 Spirit bombers
10 XB-70 Valkyrie bombers
6 Lockheed YF-12

Can I have the whole island chain of Guam? Includes Rhoda.... That's if I am allowed in here. Currently no one has it claimed, I think...

Can I have the whole island chain of Guam? Includes Rhoda.... That's if I am allowed in here. Currently no one has it claimed, I think...
Northern Mariana Islands and Guam (together the island chain), confirmed.

Thankee. I'll slap up some sort of intro tomarrow.

Give me time to catch up on things and orders, considering I just got back on Jolt and I won't have much time for RP'ing in the next few days.

Actually there is an RP for Guam and the North Marianas up...by me..its been up for...a while now.

[half of these islands aren't even listed in the claims list... and as long as there's a good rp to accompany all of this, okay...]



It dosnt matter if their on the claim list. there still in the world. Im not going to have a detailed rp for each Island.

It dosnt matter if their on the claim list. there still in the world. Im not going to have a detailed rp for each Island.
Sounds like you don't want them that badly.

Sounds like you don't want them that badly.
I've got to agree with you there. Each island takeover must be RPed in detail, especially when it's so close to other real human nations. But of course, I don't expect to read a book on the takeover of Prickly Pear Cays.

Sounds like you don't want them that badly.

DUDE YOU ARE SO FREAKING ANOYING. I SAID MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

Actually there is an RP for Guam and the North Marianas up...by me..its been up for...a while now.
How far are you into it? It's not listed on ALM's list...

I've got to agree with you there. Each island takeover must be RPed in detail, especially when it's so close to other real human nations.

I never said I wasnt going to rp for them I said I was not going to have a 5 page rp for each of them. There will be a psot or 2 for each of the smaller ones. The bigger ones will get bigger posts.

DUDE YOU ARE SO FREAKING ANOYING. I SAID MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
I'll mind my own business when you stop going after every square inch of land you can find.

I'll mind my own business when you stop going after every square inch of land you can find.

If i wanted to go after every square inch of land i culd find Id claim every island in the atlantic. And everything in aisa. I only want the stuff around me. This is all Ill proboloy claim for awhile. I jsut hate it when people sit here claiming what Im claiming just to ake me mad. And then sit here yelling at me to do stuff diffrently. And dont talk about claiming land. Your invading other countrys to.

And dont talk about claiming land. Your invading other countrys to.
Oh yeah, because a few small states in the ME is really comparable to claiming the entire Gulf of Mexico.

I've got to agree with you there. Each island takeover must be RPed in detail, especially when it's so close to other real human nations. But of course, I don't expect to read a book on the takeover of Prickly Pear Cays.

Ok, I already got that process started. I can finish it up.

Again, those are the Islands of The Netherlands Antilles, Aruba, Trinidad and Tobago I'll start RP taking over and will finish up today. I've also started my invasion of Madagascar.

I'm going to retract my wanting to be in this.... Too complicated and it seems everyone has claimed everything.

I'm going to retract my wanting to be in this.... Too complicated and it seems everyone has claimed everything.
No, come on Azaha! We'll help you get started here.

And you have many nations to select from which are unclaimed. Look at the map-thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109). India, Pakistan, Marinmar, Bangladesh, and more, and a lot of nations in Africa.

No, come on Azaha! We'll help you get started here.

And you have many nations to select from which are unclaimed. Look at the map-thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109). India, Pakistan, Marinmar, Bangladesh, and more, and a lot of nations in Africa.

India is a good choice. I'm right near it in Sri Lanka so it would be nice to have a nice neighbor to trade with.

Also, I got my take over of the Islands finished RP in the main thread. Let me know Sixth if that explains the takeover enough for you.

India? I'll take India.. if no one's claimed it that is... *Peers around vengefully.*

India? I'll take India.. if no one's claimed it that is... *Peers around vengefully.*
India it is.

Oh yeah, because a few small states in the ME is really comparable to claiming the entire Gulf of Mexico.

Im not claiming the entire gulf of mexico. Other people have claimed other parts.

1,095,351,995/4,006,000,000 = 0.27342785696455317024463305042436

$29,575,891,330,108.80 * 0.27342785696455317024463305042436 = $8086872584208.1571759999999999893

Could someone please check my math on Azaha's military budget? That's HUGE!

Factbook/Diplomatic Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497234)
Comments and Crits greatly appreciated.

1,095,351,995/4,006,000,000 = 0.27342785696455317024463305042436

$29,575,891,330,108.80 * 0.27342785696455317024463305042436 = $8086872584208.1571759999999999893

Could someone please check my math on Azaha's military budget? That's HUGE!

Well lets see. India's Real life population is 1,095,351,995 and Azaha poulation is 4,006,000,000.

Accourding to the Rules, Divided your RL population by your NS population which gives us. 1,095,351,995 divided by 4,006,000,000=0.27342785696455317024463305042436

0.27342785696455317024463305042436 times his defense budget of 29,575,891,330,108.80=8,086,872,584,208.157176.

So yes, you got your math right. Remember Sixth- s(he)'s got alot of the Real Worlds Population so, hes going to have a huge budget. As the Budget is based on Population.

TG6R Check your TGS!!!!

Well, I'm back from Verdun, I'm very tireed and very curious if anything happened during my absence ;)

SHarinia check your TGs.

I'm back for who knows how long [pending my patience and Jolt's cooperativeness...], so I'm fixing any map details that need fixing before I do any IC.

anything new?

Nothing really. I am still waiting for Sistan's invasion but other then that alls quiet on the western front.

Can I have the whole island chain of Guam? Includes Rhoda.... That's if I am allowed in here. Currently no one has it claimed, I think...

I've got this one on my list to do...

India? I'll take India.. if no one's claimed it that is... *Peers around vengefully.*

I'll double check... is it India and Marianas? or just India?

Nothing really. I am still waiting for Sistan's invasion but other then that alls quiet on the western front.

that would be your eastern front, his western front...but good use of German literature!

Oh well, we'll get around to that eventually.

Northern front, and technically my invasion takes place before your formation as a nation. At the moment you're just an organized resistance.

Im back. yay!:p

I've got this one on my list to do...



I'll double check... is it India and Marianas? or just India?

Just India. I talked with GT6R, and everything should be set and dandy for it.. so far. I still don't know if I am using my nation's RL military stats, or my NS converted stats.

Finally, a skeleton DN thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497367). :)

I'm new to Nations States but I totally love it and want to play more games like it (namely this one). Can anyone send me a message on getting started in this game? It would be much appreciated. I am admittedly surly on the message boards and have radical politics, but isn't that what these games are all about?

Dweladleifa Prime has gained control of Guyana.

What about Africa? He left, he should have to rebuild his empire from scratch.

What kind of research would I need to do? How do I get started? I think I could really get into this game and be an active participant. Please, anyone & everyone... send me details on what I'll need to do to get involved. I do have some questions about how secret deals are made and how military conflict is resolved -- but if these things are reasonably taken care of I would like to give Africa a go.

Everything you need is on the first page.

Specifically, look at the map there, pretty much anything that isn't shaded a color is open.

My first choice is for Uganda and my second choice is for the Congo. If I can take them both... that would be great. Please send me details on how to proceed.

I'm still having a bit of problem with Jolt.

I can get on Jolt a few times and other times I can't. I think it's because of high volume traffic that the Jolt servers can't handle. I'm sure my Jolt connection will be 100% stable again once the kiddies go back to school in a couple of weeks.

My first choice is for Uganda and my second choice is for the Congo. If I can take them both... that would be great. Please send me details on how to proceed.
I'll allow you to claim Uganda, if you want.

Just India. I talked with GT6R, and everything should be set and dandy for it.. so far. I still don't know if I am using my nation's RL military stats, or my NS converted stats.
You're using the RL-based equipment that exist in your nations in RL, and a maximum of 2% of your RL-population active in the military (with an additional 3% in the reserve).

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I've started a small FAQ for Earth-V, this is it so far:

Here's a small FAQ for new players in Earth-V:

FAQ for Earth V

Q: How big is my population?
A: It depends on what countries you have. Look at the CIA world fact book entries and add them together. In Earth-V we're using RL-based population.


Q: How big is my defense budget?
A: Look at your nation on nseconomy (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php), and follow these steps:
1) Divide your RL-population with your NS-population (i.e.: 32,000,000 / 540,000,000). The result is your ratio (in this example: 0.059).
2) Multiply your NS-defense budget with your ratio from step 1. I.e.: 3,508,281 million * 0.059 = 206,988 million. This is your defense budget in Earth V.


Q: How big is my army?
A: You're allowed to have 2% of your population active in the military. If you're in a war you can have an additional 3% (reserves) which makes 5% total. If you're playing a nation with war as "tradition" (think Korea) you can have 10% of your population.


Q: How good is my military
A: To see the quality of your military troops, you first have to divide your defense-budget in half (one half for logistics and to buy new stuff for, and the other half goes for the troops). Then you have to decide how much of your military should be troops and logistics, maybe 60-75% logistics? Calculate how many troops you have, and divide the budget for troops with this amount. About $200,000 dollars per troop is considered very elite.


Q: Can I use whatever I want for my army?
A: No, you're limited to start with the equipment your nation's has in RL – or if you don't know anything about that, estimate the equipment. You can also buy equipment from other nations IN EARTH-V ONLY. You can also RP a research & development of a new product, but it must be in reasonable limits. Everything that exists in RL today, or could exist if anybody wanted to develop such thing is allowed – under the circumstance that you have the capacity to produce the things.
Look at i.e. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org) to get an idea of what stuff your nation uses. You can also look at Globalsecurity (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/index.html) if your nation is listed there.
You don't need to buy military equipment to start with. You're having all the stuff that your nations have in RL already.


Q: Can I invade another nation?
A: Yes, of course. But you MUST post your military stats in the military stats thread first. That's mandatory, otherwise you haven't got anything to invade with...


Q: Who's the boss?
A: The Great Sixth Reich (short form: TG6R) is the founder of Earth-V. He's the main boss.
Sharina is the second moderator in Earth-V.


Q: Do I have to move to a specific Earth-V region?
A: No, as there are no specific Earth-V regions you can stay in your region.


Another simpel example of calculation the defense-budget:
Let's say you have 1,000,000,000 NS-pop, and 100,000,000 RL-pop, let's also say that your NS-defense budget is 3,000,000 million USD.

1) Calculate the "budget-factor", take RL-population and divide it with your NS-population: 100,000,000 / 1,000,000,000 = 0.1. Your budget-factor is 0.1.

2) Take you defense-budget from thirdgeek and multiply it with your budget-factor. In this case: 3,000,000 million * 0.1 = 300,000 million. Your Earth-V defense-budget is 300,000 million (or 300 billion, or 0.3 trillion, or simple 3,000,000,000,000 USD).



The main OOC-thread where you makes your claim. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=490215)

The map-thread. Do NOT make your claim here... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109)

The main IC-thread where the RP takes place, or where links to RP's are posted. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492522)


FAQ-author: The Kingdom of Kopparbergs.

With the upgrade of the jolt-forum today, I'm able to log in as Kopparbergs! Yahoo!!

Due to that, I've made a new thread for the factbook of Kopparbergs: link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497408).

Alif Laam Miim, please update the link in the map-thread.

I'm still having a bit of problem with Jolt.

I can get on Jolt a few times and other times I can't. I think it's because of high volume traffic that the Jolt servers can't handle. I'm sure my Jolt connection will be 100% stable again once the kiddies go back to school in a couple of weeks.

Great to have you back at least! ;)

But I still don't know if anything has happened. I see Jolt has a new format...

My Australia RP is finished.

I just opened a hornets nest. I know it.

Sharinia please check your Telagrams.

I just opened a hornets nest. I know it.

Do note that you don't exist as a unified republic yet. My invasion predates the forming of your government. It would not be until after my forces are already inside the territory in question that your resistance movement begins.

Unless, like many of us, he is playing under the assumption that the nation he has claimed has been around since...it has.

I really am Confused now.

Do note that you don't exist as a unified republic yet. My invasion predates the forming of your government. It would not be until after my forces are already inside the territory in question that your resistance movement begins.

Well, he can do whatever he likes to, assuming that TG6R has confirmed his claims. All you have done about this is writing one single line:

Other forces moved into Oman, Qatar, Eastern Syria, Armenia, and Azerbaijan to prevent them from being used by enemy forces.

And that was 11 days ago (here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=496085)).

If he wants to play as these nations, he's free to do so. That's my point of view, and I believe that the majority do agree.

Well, he can do whatever he likes to, assuming that TG6R has confirmed his claims. All you have done about this is writing one single line:

Other forces moved into Oman, Qatar, Eastern Syria, Armenia, and Azerbaijan to prevent them from being used by enemy forces.

And that was 11 days ago (here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=496085)).

If he wants to play as these nations, he's free to do so. That's my point of view, and I believe that the majority do agree.

Agreed.

If possible I'd like to claim Estonia (or what looks like Estonia on the map). TG6R said I could, but I'm guessing I'd have to take a small country. So, is it okay if I take Estonia?

Rethan;11599553']If possible I'd like to claim Estonia (or what looks like Estonia on the map). TG6R said I could, but I'm guessing I'd have to take a small country. So, is it okay if I take Estonia?
Sure.

Excellent. My Factbook's finally started. I'm going to do some more when I have time, but for now I've got the basics up. Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497521) it is.

Couple of last question (then I'm done, promise!), when posting our army sizes, do we have to use the actual amount of tanks our RL nation has (in my case Estonia) or just that type of tank/plane/boat/etc., but as many as we want. And when RP'ing, do we RP acting like our RL nation? As in, using their language, military ranks, city names, religion, people names, ethnicity and customs etc... 'Cos I know nearly nothing about Estonia, shouldn't be too hard to find out... Most of those I don't mind, but Language, names, Military ranks and city names are the ones I'll most likely be using in my RP's.

Early on it's everything you're nation has, but later it can be increased to a maximum of 5% for Non-Militaristic Nations to 10% for Militaristic Nations.
As for the language thing. You can as TG6R does. Some of us just use English as it is the Major Language of Trade throughout the world. As for the Customs you can. Kopparbergs has control of Isreal, Algeria, Tunisia, and Nigeria and yet he has Nordic Kingodom, correct me if I am wrong.

I use English, because my Bahasa Indonesia sucks. :D

Rethan;11602280']Couple of last question (then I'm done, promise!), when posting our army sizes, do we have to use the actual amount of tanks our RL nation has (in my case Estonia) or just that type of tank/plane/boat/etc., but as many as we want. And when RP'ing, do we RP acting like our RL nation? As in, using their language, military ranks, city names, religion, people names, ethnicity and customs etc... 'Cos I know nearly nothing about Estonia, shouldn't be too hard to find out... Most of those I don't mind, but Language, names, Military ranks and city names are the ones I'll most likely be using in my RP's.

To start with, you're limited to the actual amount of equipment that the nation has in RL.

And the people names, you can do as you want with them.
But I recommend you to use the real city-names as we're playing an realistic earth. If you don't RP a city changing the name of course, that will be ok.

Kopparbergs has control of Isreal, Algeria, Tunisia, and Nigeria and yet he has Nordic Kingodom, correct me if I am wrong.
Yes, that's correct. When I started here on NS 2004 my nation was a small one in the middle of Sweden, and I've continued to use the nordic names all the time. But I have started to use local names as well (arabic and arican).

Before I move on to do ANYTHING else, I want to post a small glimpse of what I have done for my factbook and military thread. You will notice that I barrowed Alif Laam Miim's military thread lay-out, because it looked the simplest, heh. Main reason I am doing this, is to make sure it all seems right and dandy, and if I screwed up anywhere so far. NOTE that I am not done yet.

Factbook Start:
RL pop/NS pop
1,080,000,000/4,023,000,000=0.26845637583892617449664429530201

NS Budget
Administration: $2,443,670,504,654.40 3%
Social Welfare: $0.00 0%
Healthcare: $0.00 0%
Education: $0.00 0%
Religion & Spirituality: $0.00 0%
Defence: $35,025,943,900,046.40 43%
Law & Order: $39,098,728,074,470.40 48%
Commerce: $4,072,784,174,424.00 5%
Public Transport: $0.00 0%
The Environment: $0.00 0%
Social Equality: $0.00 0%

Earth V Budget

Administration: $656,018,927,423.99
Defense: $9,402,937,959,743
Law & Order: $10,496,302,838,783
Commerce: $1,093,364,873,


Military thread:
Army: 980,000 Total (5:1 Logistical=196,000 Combat)
Navy: 70,000 Total (3:1 Logistical=~23,000 Combat)
Air Force: 90,000 Total (5:1 Logistical=18,000 Combat)

Army: 980,000 Personnel
1st Field Army Stationed at Udhampur 160,000
2nd Field Army Stationed at Chandimadir 160,000
3rd Field Army Stationed at Poona 140,000
4th Field Army Stationed at Lucknow 160,000
5th Field Army Stationed at Calcutta 160,000
6th Field Army Stationed at Jaipur 160,000
7th Administrative Stationed at New Delhi 40,000

Equipment:
Infantry:
AK-47
AK-74
AT-4
Armor:
Vijayanta- 400
PT-76= 90
T-55= 200
T-72= 1700
T-90= 310
IFV:
BMP-1= 50
BMP-2= 1300
APC:
OT-62/-64= 150
Towed Artillery: 4175 Pieces
Self-Propelled Artillery: 200 Vehicles

Navy: 70,000 Personnel

Ports:
Cochin
Goa
Colaba
Bombay
Lonavala
Ohka
Karwar
Port Blair
Vizag


Naval Air Stations:
Dabolim
Arakkonam

Surface Combatant Ships:
10 S55 Submarines
4 S44 Submarines
2 S20 Submarines
1 R22(Viraat) Aircraft Carrier
3 D Talwar Destroyers
3 D Delhi Destroyers
4 D 51 Raiput Destroyers
1 F Shivalik Frigate
6 F 20 Godavari Frigates
4 F 22 Nilgiri Frigates
4 P 33 Ahbay Corvettes
7 P 49 Khukri Corvettes
6 P 50 Sukanya Corvettes
13 K 40 Veer C. Corvettes
7 PCF Trinka Patrol Craft
7 PCF XFAC Patrol Craft
6 PCI SDB MK2/3 Patrol Craft
12 M 61 Pondicherry Anti-Mine Boats
2 MSI Mahe Anti-Mine Boats

So.. have at it... but be gentle please... heh.

Looks good so far. You may want to include a few more things. Such as Natural Resources, Total Land Area, and Diplomatic Stuff such as Embassies and/or Alliances

colour me purple. I have just finished Zimbabwe Thread..... yay :)

So... if I wanted to take Pakistan, and Afghanistan, I'd need to post a couple of RP's where I invade, destroy the government, enforce my own government, and rebuild the nation, and construct bases?

So... if I wanted to take Pakistan, and Afghanistan, I'd need to post a couple of RP's where I invade, destroy the government, enforce my own government, and rebuild the nation, and construct bases?

Bingo! Ten points for Azaha! :D

But beware of the Afghani's, they're though fighters and there will probably be some Taliban fighters too...

Pakistan will be hard... it has a standing army larger than the US's, half as big as mine.. which poses a problem.... Oh well, that just means alot of planning.. alot more than I could usually do....

Pakistan will be hard... it has a standing army larger than the US's, half as big as mine.. which poses a problem.... Oh well, that just means alot of planning.. alot more than I could usually do....

Theres no govorment in pakistan so the military has no leadership. You'll have some restance though.

Theres no govorment in pakistan so the military has no leadership. You'll have some restance though.

Every nation that is unclaimed is just like RL nations. Of course they have a government, a military etc. And Pakistan has Nukes :eek:

Every nation that is unclaimed is just like RL nations. Of course they have a government, a military etc. And Pakistan has Nukes :eek:
I agree!

Tell that to Sistan, he thinks that all unclaimed nations is like deserts you just can walk through... :)

I most likely wouldn't be available to post tomorrow or maybe later, so Sharina is in charge, or Kopparbergs (a former Earth V moderator, I believe) and Alif Laam Miim if Sharina isn't there.
Every nation that is unclaimed is just like RL nations. Of course they have a government, a military etc. And Pakistan has Nukes :eek:
Well, not every nation. The [decreasing amount of] nations listed in red (or listed in the old thread as having an owner) are assumed to be in anarchy (in appropriate variations) because no new goverment can form without an RP that everybody agrees to. Every other nation has their RL government and stats.

I agree!

Tell that to Sistan, he thinks that all unclaimed nations is like deserts you just can walk through... :)
Given the size of my military in comparison to the states I invaded, I can indeed just walk through. When 300,000 troops cross your border and you didn't see it coming, what are you going to do? Try to mobilize and pray that the invaders take a nap?

Furthermore, I'm just going by ALM's example. If he can have Bahrain magically join him, I can grab Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Qatar, and Oman. Unlike ALM, I border all of these countries, and actually have a legitimate cause for the nations in question to rally behind, that being the destruction. And for that matter, ALM and Arabicia are the ones that sowed the seeds that planted Qatar and Oman into my hands when they claimed that the Arm of Allah was all friendly to me and has infiltrated the nations in question.

Finally, I don't care what forces Vineyard used to have in Jordan. As far as I'm concerned they all deserted and settled down or moved away when his empire fell.

ooc: Its not a military force, its a civilian force. Weapons dont suddenly disappear, militias and communities dont suddenly 'call it the day' and disperse.

Also, 300,000 on someone's border is kind of hard not to detect.

EDIT: Also the post to which you refer is god-moding. Could you re-post in accrodance with Earth V's rules?

Regardless of whether or not they're a military unit or civilian militia, they no longer hold any loyalty to you. As far as I'm concerned, Jordan has reverted to RL Jordan and thus wants to see Israel gone far more than they want to fight me. After all, if I have to deal with your remanant forces, so does Arabicia, and I don't see them having any trouble with Vineyardians.

I have a feeling that this will end up ending very badly for me.

I have a feeling that this will end up ending very badly for me.
Just think of it this way: "My fate is not in God's hands so long as I have a weapon in mine." :)

Just think of it this way: "My fate is not in God's hands so long as I have a weapon in mine." :)

That almost makes up for the fact that I still feel like I am going to receive the short end of the stick.

That almost makes up for the fact that I still feel like I am going to receive the short end of the stick.

I actually don't much want Georgia or Armenia. While the coastline on the Black Sea would be nice, all I'm really interested in IC is bringing the Muslims of Azerbaijan into the Empire.