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Earth V - First-Class Realism

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Mission Statement: Since the founding of Earth V in 2004, Earth V strives to provide a realistic role-play (RP) simulation of NationStates (NS) nations with real-life territory in the modern-technology (MT) era, in addition maintaining a territory list recognized outside of Earth V.
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Updates

31 May, 2007: The premiers of Earth V wish to remind everyone that Earth is, and has always been, in full compliance with the ban on alternative history RPs. As Scolopendra explains (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528525), "Using Real Earth geography is fine. Using the shape of Real Earth countries is fine. Using Real Earth populations is fine. Using the actual Real Earth countries (culture, history, et al), and thus essentially being a carbon copy of a Real Earth country, is not."

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Premiers:
The Great Sixth Reich
Sharina


Adjudicator:
Alif Laam Miim (maps, with occasional war duties)

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Links:

Earth V Maps (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109)
RPing Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492522)
Military Strengths Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11393906#post11393906)
References (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501393)

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Older or particularly renown nations: three countres or equivalent.
For nations with a population of 500 million and above, and a history of one month of NS RPing: 2 countries and one island (or "*" marked country).
For nations with a population under 500 million but above 200 million: One country and one island (or "*" marked country).
Make a request in this thread; Sharina and I shall review the request.

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Important Notices:

Some nations have recently fallen. If it appears a nation to have been disbanded, it is possible to claim land marked as theirs, provided that it is RPed by the claiming person.
Read the land list! Some lands have special rules for claiming!
Earth V possessions can normally represent an Earth V user's land in any NS RP. But if there are other "earths" involved in the RP, this may not be possible.
I must be informed of any changes in Earth V possessions.
There is to be no debating over land in this thread. This is first-come, first-serve.

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RP rules:

Before becoming involved in ANY military RP, it is necessary have a military declaration post in the military declaration thread, following the real population rule budget and military statistics as regulated by Sharina.
Though it is discouraged due to the complex rules and limitations, a maximum of one puppet nations are allowed for each Earth V nation to also use on Earth V. Puppet nations CANNOT be in any of the same military alliances (excluding the United Nations which really isn't forceful at all anyway) as their "mother country" or vice versa, assist their "mother country" militarily or vice versa, make unfair deals with their "mother country" or vice versa, or be engaged in any military operation on the same side militarily. Moreover, it is STRONGLY ENCOURAGED that puppets remain as active as their "mother nature" or vice versa (they are both required to remain active on Earth V to keep their land regardless) and that puppets have a unique identity from their "mother nation" and vice versa. Any Earth V nation with a puppet on Earth V must inform me so I may enforce these rules, though they are encouraged NOT to tell others in order to encourage fair play (No "Have your puppet launch a suicide attack" messages!).
States may be created as real NS nations to represent quasi-sovereignty (such as TG6R Poland), but their populations or budgets may not be used (only the "real" NS nation's statistics count).
Time is NS time, but the year is always the RL year.
1 x
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7 360

7x = 360
x = 360/7
Thus one day RL = ca. 51.42857142857142857142857142857 days Earth V
Thus one hour RL = ca. 2.1428571428571428571428571428571 days Earth V
No creating custom budgets. Always use ratios based on ThirdGeek NS Economy calculations.
RL companies are allowed (but always must be connected to the state in RL), and use of RL equipment is encouraged.
NS militaries are not allowed.

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Territories:

http://www.freewebs.com/ducdesaintlazare/ALMMAP.PNG

This means the territory was recently abandoned.

(Please ignore the "spoiler" below; ALM's claim list is much more accurate.)
Use ALM's list (in the aforementioned maps thread to determine what land you want, and then post your claim proposal here.)

Afghanistan: Socialist Whittier
Albania: Vineyard
Algeria: Kopparbergs
American Samoa: Brinkman Isle
Andorra:
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Angola-

Angola: Vineyard
Cabinda: Vineyard
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Anguilla
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Antarctica-
Sharina (New Zealand Antarctica)
Sharina (The rest)
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Antigua and Barbuda
Arctic: The Great Sixth Reich
Argentina: Vietnameixco
Armenia: Granate
Aruba: TG6R/Norleans
Ashmore and Cartier Islands
Australia: Warta Endor
Austria: The United Nations (Jointly controlled by all members of the Earth V UN in order to discuss matters without having to worry about another country "hosting a peace conference" for the purpose of kidnapping delegates!)
Azerbaijan: Granate
Bahamas, The: Sharina
Bahrain: Alif Laam Miim
Baker Island
Bangladesh:
Barbados:
Bassas da India
Belarus: Czechalrus
Belgium: United Earthlings
Belize: Sharina
Benin:
Bermuda: The Black Merchants
Bhutan:
Bolivia: Dweladelfia Prime
Bosnia: Vineyard
Botswana: Persecution and Hatred
Bouvet Island: The Great Sixth Reich
Brazil: Dweladelfia Prime
British Indian Ocean Territory: Warta Endor
Brunei: Warta Endor
Bulgaria: Sel Appa
Burkina Faso:
Burma: Wirraway
Burundi:
Cambodia: H-Town Tejas
[Cameroon: Vineyard
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Canada: (Each province countes as 0.5 nations, excluding islands, which count as islands)

Alberta: Sharina
British Columbia: Sharina
Manitoba: Sharina
New Brunswick: Sharina
Newfoundland: Sharina
Northwest Territories: Sharina
Nova Scotia: Sharina
Nunavut: Sharina
Ontario: Sharina
Prince Edward Island: Sharina
Quebec: Sharina
Saskatchewan: Sharina
Yukon Territory: Sharina
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Cape Verde:
Cayman Islands: Sharina
Central African Republic:
Chad:
Chile: Vietnameixco
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China-

Northwest:
Northeast: Spartanox
Southwest: Spartanox
Southeast: Spartanox
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Christmas Island: Mauiwowee
Clipperton Island: Mauiwowee
Cocos (Keeling) Islands:
Colombia: Sharina
Comoros: Socialist Whittier
Congo, Democratic Republic of the:
Congo, Republic of the:
Cook Islands: Brinkman Isle
Coral Sea Islands: Mauiwowee
Costa Rica: Great Romeo (but "state" government)
Cote d'Ivoire:
Croatia: Vineyard
Cuba: Sharina
Cyprus: New Zambuda
Czech Republic: The Great Sixth Reich
Denmark: The Great Sixth Reich
Djibouti: Asherton
Dominica:
Dominican Republic: Medellina
East Timor: The Great Sixth Reich
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Ecuador-
Mainland: Sharina
Galapagos Islands: Sharina
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Egypt: Alif Laam Miim
Ellesmere: The Great Sixth Reich
El Salvador: Sharina
Equatorial Guinea:
Eritrea: Asherton
Estonia:
Ethiopia: Asherton
Europa Island
Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas): Warta Endor
Faroe Islands:
Fiji: Socialist Whittier
Finland: Wolfensland
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France-

Brittany: Whittlesfield
France (Non-Brittany): Military Command
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French Guiana:
French Polynesia: Brinkman Isle
French Southern and Antarctic Lands: Sharina
Gabon:
Gambia, The:
Gaza Strip: Persecution and Hatred
Georgia: Granate
Germany: The Great Sixth Reich
Ghana: Vineyard
Gibraltar:
Glorioso Islands
Greece: Auman
Greenland: Sharina
Grenada: Socialist Whittier
Guadeloupe: Norleans
Guam:
Guatemala: Sharina
Guernsey
Guinea: Warta Endor
Guinea-Bissau: Warta Endor
Guyana:
Haiti: Medellina
Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Herzegovina: Vineyard
Holy See (Vatican City):
Honduras: Sharina
Hong Kong: Mauiwowee
Howland Island:
Hungary:
Iceland: The Great Sixth Reich
India: Zelron
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Indonesia -
North: Warta Endor
South: Warta Endor
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Iran: Sistan
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Iraq-

North: Sistan
South: Sistan
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Ireland: The 9th Founding
Israel: Kopparbergs
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Italy-
Mainland, Sicily, and Northern Sardinia: Vineyard
Souther Sardinia: The Great Sixth Reich
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Izu Archipelago:
Jamaica: Sharina
Jan Mayen:
Japan (Does not include surrounding islands): Military Command
Jarvis Island:
Jersey:
Johnston Atoll:
Jordan: Vineyard
Juan de Nova Island
Kazakhstan:
Kenya: [NS]Kreynoria
Kingman Reef
Kiribati: Brinkman Isle
Korea, North: Karond Kar
Korea, South: Karond Kar
Kuwait: Sistan
Kyrgyzstan:
Laos: H-Town Tejas
Latvia: The Great Sixth Reich
Lebanon: Lylybium
Lesotho: Persecution and Hatred]
Liberia:
Libya: Alif Laam Miim
Liechtenstein: The Great Sixth Reich
Lithuania:
Luxembourg: United Earthlings
Macau:
Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of:
Madagascar: [NS]Kreynoria
Malawi:
Malaysia: Warta Endor
Maldives: The Great Sixth Reich
Mali:
Malta: Vineyard
Man, Isle of: Jew Power Land
Marshall Islands: Brinkman Isle
Martinique: Norleans
Mauritania: Jew Power Land
Mauritius: Jew Power Land
Mayotte:
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Mexico-
Western: Sharina
Eastern: Sharina
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Micronesia, Federated States of: Mauiwowee
Midway Islands: The Great Sixth Reich
Moldova: Sel Appa
Monaco:
Mongolia:
Montenegro: Vineyard
Montserrat:
Morocco: Philanchez
Mozambique:
Namibia: Persecution and Hatred
Nauru: Mauiwowee
Navassa Island:
Nepal:
Netherlands: United Earthlings
Netherlands Antilles:
New Caledonia: Mauiwowee
New Zealand: Brinkman Isle
Nicaragua: Sharina
Niger: Kopparbergs
Nigeria: Kopparbergs
Niue:
Norfolk Island: Brinkman Isle
Northern Mariana Islands: Mauiwowee
North Sea Island: Frigidaqua
Norway: TG6R Scandanavia (The Great Sixth Reich)
Oman: Vineyard
Pakistan: Maldorians
Palau:
Palmyra Atolll:
Panama: Sharina
Papua New Guinea: Warta Endor
Paracel Islands
Paraguay: Vietnameixco
Peru: Dweladelfia Prime
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Philippines, The: Brinkman Isle
[color=red]Luzon: Socialist Whittier
Mindanao: Mauiwowee
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Pitcairn Islands:
Poland: TG6R Poland (The Great Sixth Reich)
Portugal: Philanchez
Puerto Rico:
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Qatar-
North: Vineyard
South: Socialist Whittier
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Reunion:
Romania: Great Romeo
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Russia-

Northeast: Great Romeo
Northwest: Great Romeo
Southeast: Great Romeo
Southwest: Great Romeo
Vladivostokski (+150 miles inland): Military Command
Kaliningrad Oblast: The Great Sixth Reich
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Rwanda:
Saint Helena:
Saint Kitts and Nevis:
Saint Lucia: Norleans
Saint Pierre and Miquelon:
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: Grenada
Samoa:
San Marino:
Sao Tome and Principe:
Saudi Arabia: [NS] Arabicia
Senegal: Warta Endor
Serbia: Great Romeo
Seychelles:
Sierra Leone:
Singapore: Warta Endor
Slovakia: Czechalrus
Slovenia: Vineyard
Solomon Islands: Brinkman Isle
Somalia: Asherton
South Africa: Persecution and Hatred
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands:
Southern Ocean:
Spain: Philanchez
Spratly Islands: Warta Endor
Sri Lanka: United Earthlings
Sudan: Alif Laam Miim
Suriname:
Svalbard: The Great Sixth Reich
Swaziland: Persecution and Hatred
Sweden: Wolfensland
Switzerland: The Great Sixth Reich
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Syria-
Western: Lylybium
Eastern:
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Taiwan: Brinkman Isle
Tajikistan:
Tanzania: [NS]Kreynoria
Thailand: Warta Endor
Togo:
Tokelau
Tonga: Brinkman Isle
Trinidad and Tobago: Grenada
Tromelin Island:
Tunisia: Kopparbergs
Turkey: Sel Appa
Turkmenistan:
Turks and Caicos Islands: Sharina
Tuvalu: Warta Endor
Uganda:
Ukraine, The: Sel Appa
United Arab Emirates: Sistan
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United Kingdom-

England, North Ireland (counts as island), and Scotland and Wales.

England: Whittlesfield
Scotland: Wanderjar
Wales: Whittlesfield
North Ireland: The 9th Founding
Channel Islands: Whittlesfield

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United States of America- (All states except those marked count as 0.5 nations, but read for complete rules)

Alabama: Neuvo Rica
Alaska: Sharina
Arizona: Sharina
Arkansas: Neuvo Rica
California**: Sharina
Colorado: Sharina
Connecticut: Sharina
Delaware*: Sharina
District of Columbia*: Sharina
Florida: Neuvo Rica
Georgia: Neuvo Rica
Hawaii***: Sharina
Idaho: Sharina
Illinois**: Sharina
Indiana: Neuvo Rica
Iowa: Sharina
Kansas: Neuvo Rica
Kentucky: Neuvo Rica
Louisiana: Neuvo Rica
Maine: Sharina
Maryland*: Sharina
Massachusetts**: Sharina
Michigan: Military Command
Minnesota: Sharina
Mississippi: Neuvo Rica
Missouri: Neuvo Rica
Montana: Sharina
Nebraska: Sharina
Nevada: Sharina
New Hampshire*: Sharina
New Jersey: Sharina
New Mexico: Sharina
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New York**: Sharina
Schenectady and surrounding area: The Great Sixth Reich
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North Carolina: Neuvo Rica
North Dakota: Sharina
Ohio: Military Command
Oklahoma: Norleans
Oregon: Sharina
Pennsylvania: Sharina
Rhode Island*: Sharina
South Carolina: Norleans
South Dakota: Sharina
Tennessee: Neuvo Rica
Texas**: Neuvo Rica
Utah: Sharina
Vermont*: Sharina
Virginia: Neuvo Rica
Washington: Sharina
West Virginia: Neuvo Rica
Wisconsin: Sharina
Wyoming: Sharina

*Counts as "quarter" of a nation
**Counts as nation
***Counts as island
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Uruguay: Vietnameixco
Uzbekistan:
Vanuatu: Brinkman Isle
Venezuela: United Earthlings
Vietnam: H-Town Tejas
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Virgin Islands-
British Virgin Islands: Norleans
American Virgin Islands: Norleans
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Wake Island:
Wallis and Futuna:
West Bank: Kopparbergs
Western Sahara:
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Yemen -

Yemen: [NS] Arabicia
Socotra: Sistan
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Zambia: Vineyard
Zimbabwe: Vineyard


Earth V Private Forums (Not used) (http://www.getfreebb.com/members/index.php?mforum=EarthV&act=idx)

Just a friendly reminder that there are a lot of nations that have been defunct for some time now such as Kopparbergs, and they are available for claiming assuming that it is RPed.

Earth V is mainly its own RP, but most stuff applies to NS too.

We're particularly interested in getting new members, so as long as the user who applies is committed to realistic RPing, we can work out so sort of a comprismise, perhaps more lenient than the claim rules?

Bump!

We're serious about recruiting this time... we've been a closed community for a while.

Bump.

By the end of next week (German date system ;)), I'll mark the recently abandoned territories.

Bump!

hello. Im interested in joining your earth. Im just unsure of what the criteria for smaller landmasses are. (I.e. for 50,000 sq km you must have a population of 8 million e.t.c.) Im under the assumption the amount of territory you can take is relative to the size of your N.S. country???

It's really more about experience on NS. If you have a good history, you'll recieve a decent amount of land.

What countries/territories are you interested in?

We're particularly interested in getting new members, so as long as the user who applies is committed to realistic RPing, we can work out so sort of a comprismise, perhaps more lenient than the claim rules?

If you're willing [I posted earlier...]

I'd like to know if Egypt and Libya are both okay [maybe even northern Sudan - see provinces in NSwiki]. I've got RP experience with other nations, but right now, I'm just a petty duchy in Earth II [it's a different state than ALM] but if you're permitting, I've already got a history and such on NSwiki, tell me if this is okay:

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Alif_Laam_Miim
[NOTE: I am not a Muslim, but just RPing a Muslim nation... hopefully, this offends no one]

I'm interested in this. But is there any territory availible?

I'm interested as well. I've been on NS for ages, so could you please ignore the fact this nation is new. Is the claims list up-to-date?

I'm editing the list right now...

EDIT:

Okay, here's how it is:

Everything with no name next to it is open.
Everything marked in red is technically open, but must be RPed due to a previous NSer owning that territory in the immediate past.

If you're willing [I posted earlier...]

I'd like to know if Egypt and Libya are both okay [maybe even northern Sudan - see provinces in NSwiki]. I've got RP experience with other nations, but right now, I'm just a petty duchy in Earth II [it's a different state than ALM] but if you're permitting, I've already got a history and such on NSwiki, tell me if this is okay:

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Alif_Laam_Miim
[NOTE: I am not a Muslim, but just RPing a Muslim nation... hopefully, this offends no one]

After checking everything over, it seems fine to me. Egypt, Libya, and northern Sudan are yours if you want them.

All the action between Earth V members takes place here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=413381&page=41

I'm editing the list right now...

EDIT:

Okay, here's how it is:

Everything with no name next to it is open.
Everything marked in red is technically open, but must be RPed due to a previous NSer owning that territory in the immediate past.


I see the UK is marked in Red. Could I RP Scotland gaining Independence by popular vote, and establishing a constitutional Monarchy? If that is too far fetched for you though I'll take the whole UK.

I see the UK is marked in Red. Could I RP Scotland gaining Independence by popular vote, and establishing a constitutional Monarchy? If that is too far fetched for you though I'll take the whole UK.
The UK has been divided for some time now on Earth V between USSNA and Norleans. So long ago I forgot when it happened (I think it was early 2005), or how it happened...

Scotland is already independant from the rest of the UK and was ruled by Norleans. So it wouldn't be that bad if there you RPed some sort of a Putsch and establishment of a constitutional monarchy.

The UK has been divided for some time now on Earth V between USSNA and Norleans. So long ago I forgot when it happened (I think it was early 2005), or how it happened...

Scotland is already independant from the rest of the UK and was ruled by Norleans. So it wouldn't be that bad if there you RPed some sort of a Putsch and establishment of a constitutional monarchy.


I'll do that, thanks! I'll think about how i'm going to do it, and RP it tommorrow sometime.

After checking everything over, it seems fine to me. Egypt, Libya, and northern Sudan are yours if you want them.

All the action between Earth V members takes place here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=413381&page=41


I'll take it!

Where do I post D/N?

TAG for reference.

I'll post my thoughts later on tonight or tomorrow. One thought I do have though is that some players listed like Kopparbergs and Whittier has been gone from NS for a long while like 6+ RL months (Whittier got total-banned, I heard- no more Whittier puppets or anything).

I've done a map and there's a looooooooooot of open space, especially in Asia and Africa. I'll try to post it ASAP for reference.

...even more than you think. Vineyard's great empire is barely hanging on. I'm going to talk to him to see if he can bring it together, but if not, that's gone too.

A question about my claim. Is Scotland still technically under someone else's control, but he no longer is active?


If thats the case, I can do a Revolution thread correct?

A question about my claim. Is Scotland still technically under someone else's control, but he no longer is active?


If thats the case, I can do a Revolution thread correct?

Correct. But the control is fragmented at best. Control past inactivity is a complex issue, but I would assume a very fragmented current government. Some of other veteran members (now mostly gone) considered inactivity as a complete destruction of a government.

I honestly think that all the red names should be removed as these players haven't been RP'ing in more than 3+ RL months (Norleans was the most recent nation to be deleted). Essentially, free up the entire claim list except for lands taken by myself, TGSR, Vineyard, Great Romeo, and the new players that have posted up to this point.

I've done that:

with your permission, I post it below - otherwise it will be gone.

CLAIMS
UN: Austria

Sharina: Antarctica, Bahamas, Belize, Canada, Cayman Islands, Colombia, Cuba, Ecuador, El Salvador, Greenland, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Turks and Caicos Islands, United States of America [Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Idaho, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, Washington, Wyoming]

The Great Sixth Reich: Arctic, Bouvet Island, Czech Republic, Denmark, East Timor, Ellesmere Island, Germany, Iceland, Iraq [North], Italy [South Sardinia], Latvia, Liechtenstein, Maldives, Midway Islands, Norway, Poland, Russia [Kaliningrad Oblast], Switzerland

Vineyard: Albania, Angola, Bosnia, Botswana, Cameroon, Croatia, Ghana, Herzegovina, Iraq [South], Italy [Mainland, Sicily, North Sardinia], Jordan, Kuwait, Madagascar, Malta, Montenegro, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Slovenia, Spain, Zambia, Zimbabwe

Great Romeo: Costa Rica, Romania, Serbia

Frigidaqua: North Sea Island

Alif Laam Miim: Egypt, Libya, Sudan [North]

Wanderjar: United Kingdom [Scotland]


OPEN:
Afghanistan
Algeria
American Samoa
Andorra
Anguilla
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Armenia
Aruba
Ashmore and Cartier Islands
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Baker Island
Bangladesh
Barbados
Bassas da India
Belarus
Belgium
Benin
Bermuda
Bhutan
Bolivia
Brazil
British Indian Ocean Territory
Brunei
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
Burma
Burundi
Cambodia
Cape Verde Islands
Central African Republic
Chad
Chile
China
Christmas Island
Clipperton Island
Cocos Islands [Keeling]
Comoros
Congo, DR
Congo, Republic
Cook Islands
Coral Sea Islands
Cote d’Ivoire
Cyprus
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Europa Island
Falkland Islands
Faroe Islands
Fiji
Finland
France
French Guiana
French Polynesia
French Southern and Antarctic Lands
Gabon
Gambia
Gaza Strip
Georgia
Gibraltar
Glorioso Island
Greece
Greenland
Guam
Guernsey
Guinea
Guinea Bissau
Guyana
Haiti
Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Holy See
Hong Kong
Howland Island
Hungary
India
Indonesia
Iran
Ireland
Israel
Izu Archipelago
Jan Mayen
Japan [Mainland Islands]
Jarvis Islands
Jersey
Johnston Atoll
Juan de Nova Island
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kingman Reef
Kiribati
Korea, DPR
Korea, Republic
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macau
Macedonia
Malawi
Malaysia
Mali
Man of Isle
Marshall Islands
Martinique
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mayotte
Micronesia, Federated States
Moldova
Monaco
Mongolia
Montserrat
Morocco
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
Navassa Island
Nepal
Netherlands
Netherlands Antilles
New Caledonia
New Zealand
Niger
Nigeria
Niue
Norfolk Island
Northern Marianas Islands
Pakistan
Palau
Palmyra Atoll
Papua New Guinea
Paracel Islands
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Pitcairn Islands
Portugal
Puerto Rico
Russia [minus Kaliningradski]
Rwanda
Saint Helena
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Pierre and Miquelon
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
Sao Tome and Principe
Senegal
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Slovakia
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Africa
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Southern Ocean
Spratly Islands
Sri Lanka
Sudan [minus North]
Suriname
Svalbard
Swaziland
Sweden
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Togo
Tokelau
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tromelin Island
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom [Northern Ireland, Wales, England]
United States [Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri,Nebraska, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin]
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Vietnam
Virgin Islands
Wake Island
Wallis and Fortuna
West Bank
Western Sahara
Yemen

Looks good so far.

I was thinking of going after Hawaii myself (always wanted it even when Mauiwowee had it). Gotta have my own tropic paradise vacation getaway. ;)

Can I claim the Channel Islands?

Heh, I've got territories that I'm personally eyeing, but I want to learn self-restraint...

GOTTA...

STOP...

FEELING...

MORE...

LAND...

SYRIA...


DOH!


ADD - Point being, if you're looking at this thread and really like what you see, help me on my diet from land and steal something from my greedy eyes [and anyone else's] before someone starts to hog the world...

Can I claim the Channel Islands?
Sure. Anything else?

England, Wales, and Brittany?

Looking good so far- we have, what, 3 or 4 new members? We do need more for exciting RP, though.

Besides, I'm still a little wary of "walk in claims"- TGSR knows what I mean. For those who don't know, "walk in claims" means people who claim land then never bother to RP it out (or make one OOC or IC post every 2 or 3 months or something like that).

Whittlesfield: Confirmed.

Looking good so far- we have, what, 3 or 4 new members? We do need more for exciting RP, though.

Besides, I'm still a little wary of "walk in claims"- TGSR knows what I mean. For those who don't know, "walk in claims" means people who claim land then never bother to RP it out (or make one OOC or IC post every 2 or 3 months or something like that).
Great Romeo has something planned. ;) Just waiting for the new players to get comfortable.

Hey, you can sign me up if you want. I'm up for some Modern roleplay as Greece...well...Auman as Greece. >.>

But yeah...

I'll take Greece. If Greece is not available, however! I shall take Cyprus...or if I have to...Malta...Even though I pwn and want Cyprus.

Is it alright if I'm PMT a little bit? I have a good population and haven't Rped at all on NS, but have done lots o RP on other independent forums and such, and want to use this as a way to get involved. If I can I'd like Russia.

If possible I would like China and Mongolia; this is a puppet from another account in which I have a few months of RP experience, incase you're wondering.

Auman: Confirmed.
Merriam Webster: We need at least some sampling of your RP skills until we can accept you on Earth V.
-New Slovakia-: Just to verify that statement, please give me the name of that other account.

ElectronX

Auman: Confirmed.
Merriam Webster: We need at least some sampling of your RP skills until we can accept you on Earth V.
-New Slovakia-: Just to verify that statement, please give me the name of that other account.
I can do that. Can I do so by, like, occupying those territories?

What's confirmed? What did I get? :O

Is it alright if I'm PMT a little bit? I have a good population and haven't Rped at all on NS, but have done lots o RP on other independent forums and such, and want to use this as a way to get involved. If I can I'd like Russia.

I'm curious, what kinds of PMT do you have or use?

I'm pretty well versed in PMT stuff as I'm usually a PMT nation but haven't RP'ed much at all outside of E20 and E-V (here) and Eggerland (Manium RP with RomeW).

Auman: You have Greece.
-New Slovakia-: Just one more issue: Your claim is too large to start out with. I would suggest (and allow) that you claim three parts of China (see the list), and then RP a quick invasion of the other part and Mongolia (other means are possible as well).
Merriam Webster: If you're committed, we have a provision that provides for applicants like you (not mentioned in this thread): You may RP a small group in a county attempting a takeover, and if your RP skills are not lacking, you will be permitted to continue to stage a complete takeover of that country. However, you cannot "claim" anything like everybody else does to start on Earth V.

Uh, Northwest and the Northeast along with the Southeast good?

Merriam Webster: If you're committed, we have a provision that provides for applicants like you (not mentioned in this thread): You may RP a small group in a county attempting a takeover, and if your RP skills are not lacking, you will be permitted to continue to stage a complete takeover of that country. However, you cannot "claim" anything like everybody else does to start on Earth V.
That sounds cool. Can I just start a Thread then? I won't be able to write one tonight but I can do that.

What is the current situation with Iraq?

Uh, Northwest and the Northeast along with the Southeast good?
Sure.
That sounds cool. Can I just start a Thread then? I won't be able to write one tonight but I can do that.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492522
That is where everything (or a link to a seperate thread if it will be lengthy and require multiple responses) goes.

You mean you're supposed to cram every single Earth V RP into a single thread...? Isn't that tedious?

You mean you're supposed to cram every single Earth V RP into a single thread...? Isn't that tedious?

My thoughts exactly. Thats why I proposed the "seperate RP threads linked into main thread" idea, but for stuff like the UN or multi-national conferences, the main thread could be used.

For example, if Sharina does a RP with, say, invading Hawaii, I'd post it as a "Sharina invades Hawaii (Earth V)" thread. Then TGSR adds the link to the main thread.

What is the current situation with Iraq?

ATM, I think it's divided between Vineyard and TG6R...

Well in that case, I suppose I'll stake a claim on Iran and the UAE, as well as the island of Socotra off of the Horn of Africa.

I RPed with this nation from September to February on an offsite forum, but left that community after months of horrible crimes against reality were committed against my forces. (IE: Someone thinking that they can drive 60 million men in tanks across the Zagros mountains to invade me, not send any infantry, and expect to win just because Sistan's NS pop was only 80mil at the time. Alternatively, once I was established, one of the larger nations decided that he could march 100 million men through Saudi Arabia and the Empty Quarter and attack my forces aiding allies in Somalia and win easily despite the fact that I had total local air superiority, naval superiority, countless airstrips and logistical bases, and open sea lanes from my territory in eastern Iran to Somalia, and all while his mainland in Israel was completely cut off from the world's oceans due to the closures of the strait of Gibraltar and the Red Sea simply because he was larger. To make matters worse, he thought he could break my blockade of Bab el Mandeb (the mouth of the Red Sea) by sailing his navy from Korea. Tsushima, anyone?)

Needless to say, an Earth where the phrase "We're particularly interested in getting new members, so as long as the user who applies is committed to realistic RPing" is in the first post is a welcome alternative.

Sistan: Confirmed.

You mean you're supposed to cram every single Earth V RP into a single thread...? Isn't that tedious?
(or a link to a seperate thread if it will be lengthy and require multiple responses)
Some emphasis on that part. ;)

I guess I could take Sweden and Finland and their respective Islands.

My population is 3.653 billion...so I think that would work.

Any objections?

I've created a doc that details the list of territories claimed, so with TG6R's permission, I'd be glad to serve in that role [as well as map duty]. I've gotten everyone's claims where TG6R said "confirmed" or it was something that TG6R had set as preclaimed [from sometime ago I presume...]

I've created a doc that details the list of territories claimed, so with TG6R's permission, I'd be glad to serve in that role [as well as map duty]. I've gotten everyone's claims where TG6R said "confirmed" or it was something that TG6R had set as preclaimed [from sometime ago I presume...]

I'd like to lend my support to this- after all, its always a good thing to have help around. :)

I guess I could take Sweden and Finland and their respective Islands.

My population is 3.653 billion...so I think that would work.

Any objections?
Confirmed.

To new folk, this is the claims list as of now [according to moi]:

UN: Austria

Sharina: Antarctica, Bahamas, Belize, Canada, Cayman Islands, Colombia, Cuba, Ecuador, El Salvador, Greenland, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Turks and Caicos Islands, United States of America [Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Idaho, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, Washington, Wyoming]

The Great Sixth Reich: Arctic, Bouvet Island, Czech Republic, Denmark, East Timor, Ellesmere Island, Germany, Iceland, Iraq [North], Italy [South Sardinia], Latvia, Liechtenstein, Maldives, Midway Islands, Norway, Poland, Russia [Kaliningrad Oblast], Switzerland

Great Romeo: Costa Rica, Romania, Serbia

Frigidaqua: North Sea Island

Alif Laam Miim: Egypt, Libya, Sudan [North]

Wanderjar: United Kingdom [Scotland]

Whittlesfield: Channel Islands, England, Wales, Brittany

Auman: Greece

New Slovakia: China [Northwest, Northeast, Southeast]

Sistan: Iran, UAE, Socotra

Pyschotika: Finland, Sweden


OPEN:
Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
American Samoa
Andorra
Angola
Anguilla
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Armenia
Aruba
Ashmore and Cartier Islands
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Baker Island
Bangladesh
Barbados
Bassas da India
Belarus
Belgium
Benin
Bermuda
Bhutan
Bolivia
Bosnia
Botswana
Brazil
British Indian Ocean Territory
Brunei
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
Burma
Burundi
Cambodia
Cameroon
Cape Verde Islands
Central African Republic
Chad
Chile
China
Christmas Island
Clipperton Island
Cocos Islands [Keeling]
Comoros
Congo, DR
Congo, Republic
Cook Islands
Coral Sea Islands
Cote d’Ivoire
Croatia
Cyprus
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Europa Island
Falkland Islands
Faroe Islands
Fiji
France
French Guiana
French Polynesia
French Southern and Antarctic Lands
Gabon
Gambia
Gaza Strip
Georgia
Ghana
Gibraltar
Glorioso Island
Greenland
Guam
Guernsey
Guinea
Guinea Bissau
Guyana
Haiti
Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Herzegovina
Holy See
Hong Kong
Howland Island
Hungary
India
Indonesia
Iraq [South]
Ireland
Israel
Italy [Mainland, Sicily, North Sardinia]
Izu Archipelago
Jan Mayen
Japan [Mainland Islands]
Jarvis Islands
Jersey
Johnston Atoll
Jordan
Juan de Nova Island
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kingman Reef
Kiribati
Korea, DPR
Korea, Republic
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macau
Macedonia
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Mali
Malta
Man of Isle
Marshall Islands
Martinique
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mayotte
Micronesia, Federated States
Moldova
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Montserrat
Morocco
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
Navassa Island
Nepal
Netherlands
Netherlands Antilles
New Caledonia
New Zealand
Niger
Nigeria
Niue
Norfolk Island
Northern Marianas Islands
Oman
Pakistan
Palau
Palmyra Atoll
Papua New Guinea
Paracel Islands
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Pitcairn Islands
Portugal
Puerto Rico
Qatar
Russia [minus Kaliningradski]
Rwanda
Saint Helena
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Pierre and Miquelon
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Africa
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Southern Ocean
Spain
Spratly Islands
Sri Lanka
Sudan [minus North]
Suriname
Svalbard
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Togo
Tokelau
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tromelin Island
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Ukraine
United Kingdom [Northern Ireland, Wales, England]
United States [Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin]
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Vietnam
Virgin Islands
Wake Island
Wallis and Fortuna
West Bank
Western Sahara
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

MAP (http://www.freewebs.com/ducdesaintlazare/ALM_world.PNG)<<< CLICK HERE to see map as it stands [according to moi].

Uh... I think Merrian asked for Russia, and I kinda asked for china...

To new folk, this is the claims list as of now [according to moi]:

UN: Austria

Sharina: Antarctica, Bahamas, Belize, Canada, Cayman Islands, Colombia, Cuba, Ecuador, El Salvador, Greenland, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Turks and Caicos Islands, United States of America [Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Idaho, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, Washington, Wyoming]

The Great Sixth Reich: Arctic, Bouvet Island, Czech Republic, Denmark, East Timor, Ellesmere Island, Germany, Iceland, Iraq [North], Italy [South Sardinia], Latvia, Liechtenstein, Maldives, Midway Islands, Norway, Poland, Russia [Kaliningrad Oblast], Switzerland

Great Romeo: Costa Rica, Romania, Serbia

Frigidaqua: North Sea Island

Alif Laam Miim: Egypt, Libya, Sudan [North]

Wanderjar: United Kingdom [Scotland]

Whittlesfield: Channel Islands, England, Wales, Brittany

Auman: Greece

Merriam-Webster: China [Northwest, Northeast, Southeast]

Sistan: Iran, UAE, Socotra

Pyschotika: Finland, Sweden


OPEN:
Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
American Samoa
Andorra
Angola
Anguilla
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Armenia
Aruba
Ashmore and Cartier Islands
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Baker Island
Bangladesh
Barbados
Bassas da India
Belarus
Belgium
Benin
Bermuda
Bhutan
Bolivia
Bosnia
Botswana
Brazil
British Indian Ocean Territory
Brunei
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
Burma
Burundi
Cambodia
Cameroon
Cape Verde Islands
Central African Republic
Chad
Chile
China
Christmas Island
Clipperton Island
Cocos Islands [Keeling]
Comoros
Congo, DR
Congo, Republic
Cook Islands
Coral Sea Islands
Cote d’Ivoire
Croatia
Cyprus
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Europa Island
Falkland Islands
Faroe Islands
Fiji
France
French Guiana
French Polynesia
French Southern and Antarctic Lands
Gabon
Gambia
Gaza Strip
Georgia
Ghana
Gibraltar
Glorioso Island
Greenland
Guam
Guernsey
Guinea
Guinea Bissau
Guyana
Haiti
Heard Island and McDonald Islands
Herzegovina
Holy See
Hong Kong
Howland Island
Hungary
India
Indonesia
Iraq [South]
Ireland
Israel
Italy [Mainland, Sicily, North Sardinia]
Izu Archipelago
Jan Mayen
Japan [Mainland Islands]
Jarvis Islands
Jersey
Johnston Atoll
Jordan
Juan de Nova Island
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kingman Reef
Kiribati
Korea, DPR
Korea, Republic
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macau
Macedonia
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Mali
Malta
Man of Isle
Marshall Islands
Martinique
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mayotte
Micronesia, Federated States
Moldova
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Montserrat
Morocco
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
Navassa Island
Nepal
Netherlands
Netherlands Antilles
New Caledonia
New Zealand
Niger
Nigeria
Niue
Norfolk Island
Northern Marianas Islands
Oman
Pakistan
Palau
Palmyra Atoll
Papua New Guinea
Paracel Islands
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Pitcairn Islands
Portugal
Puerto Rico
Qatar
Russia [minus Kaliningradski]
Rwanda
Saint Helena
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Pierre and Miquelon
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Africa
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
Southern Ocean
Spain
Spratly Islands
Sri Lanka
Sudan [minus North]
Suriname
Svalbard
Swaziland
Syria
Taiwan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Togo
Tokelau
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tromelin Island
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Ukraine
United Kingdom [Northern Ireland, Wales, England]
United States [Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin]
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Vietnam
Virgin Islands
Wake Island
Wallis and Fortuna
West Bank
Western Sahara
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe


MAP (http://www.freewebs.com/ducdesaintlazare/ALM_world.PNG)<<< CLICK HERE to see map as it stands [according to moi].

Merriam-Webster is where -New Slovakia- should be. ;)

I did say according to moi :D

I'll fix it...

EDIT - fixed claim list, although I didn't see any confirmation for Merriam, so Russia is still open for claims [until TG6R says otherwise].

I'll fix the map very shortly.

Ok, so where do I post RPs then?

Alif Laam Miim: There is no confirmation for a reason. :cool: He's RPing an organization.

Ok, so where do I post RPs then?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492522
That is where everything (or a link to a seperate thread if it will be lengthy and require multiple responses) goes.

IMPORTANT NOTICE!

All nations* must post their military statistics in the military declarations thread before starting an international armed conflict.

Military Declarations: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11393906#post11393906

*Includes new states, but excludes organizations.

Does it have to be based on real world military stuff from the countries we've chosen on the map or are we allowed to be flexible?

I've acquired Russia when I'm done though, right?

I've acquired Russia when I'm done though, right?
Yes.

Does it have to be based on real world military stuff from the countries we've chosen on the map or are we allowed to be flexible?
It's all about the NS nation. See Auman's example in the thread (but I didn't check it over yet, just to warn you).

okaaaay...

I really need answers quick from whomever can answer me best:

1. What year does this RP start from the RL perspective?

2. My history for my country starts in the 1940's and continues until I "take over" in the present date; should I still RP a history, as the others are doing?

3. If I am to RP a history, would it be alright to RP it in the 1940's or does it have to be in the present [i.e. 2006]?

4. Are my list of claims and my map accurate for RP purposes?

5. Is this really annoying?

okaaaay...

I really need answers quick from whomever can answer me best:

1. What year does this RP start from the RL perspective?

2. My history for my country starts in the 1940's and continues until I "take over" in the present date; should I still RP a history, as the others are doing?

3. If I am to RP a history, would it be alright to RP it in the 1940's or does it have to be in the present [i.e. 2006]?

4. Are my list of claims and my map accurate for RP purposes?

5. Is this really annoying?

2006 (RP is on fluid time, meaning years are almost never mentioned, at least from what I remember)
It's entirely up to you. It would be nice, but just the revolution is required. We also would like to start some more international RPs soon.
I don't even remember when that land was occupied. So the 1940's should be fine.
Yes.
Not particularly.

I'll post a historical RP, showing the overthrow of the British in Egypt and the foundation of the ALM Emirate - but not right now.

We also need you to create the map thread. If I created it, it would be too hard for you to change.

NEW EARTH V MAP AND CLAIMS LIST

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109

Subscription...dang dropdown thing won't work.

I would like to claim the following countries:


Somalia
Djibouti
Ethiopia
Eritrea


I have been roleplaying as the nation "The Island States" since June 2003.

I've read your TG, Merriam Webster - as long as TG6R allows it.

I would like to claim the following countries:


Somalia
Djibouti
Ethiopia
Eritrea


I have been roleplaying as the nation "The Island States" since June 2003.
Confirmed.

map and claims updated

Hey TG6R, can I rejoin Earth V again? Do I need to RP the reconquest of my SE Asia territories?

Anyways I claim Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei and both Indonesia's if possible. And if you're really in a nice mood, can I get Thailand and New Guinea as well? ;)

Hello there, would the remaining areas of the USA on the map be open for claiming?

If so, I'd like to use those to enter into E5.

I've been RPing for ages (at least a year) which should be enough.

Neuvo Rica is a good RPer :) let him join :D

And the claims to the remaining USA are open as far as I know right now, unless TG6R says otherwise.

The Government of United Federation of Military Command would like to join and claim the following area. United States [Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin]
I would also like to know if there are requirments to be in this group. I do have over 500 million members of my nation. Thank you very much.

Hey sorry about that guys. my presence has been rather sporadic. :) but i got my internet set up (finally) so i will be set up and will be more frequent.:)

would it be possible for me to claim south africa? or atleast part of it. (I.e. Cape province) thats approximatly half the country.

ouch... two people want the USA [what's left of it at least]...

My claim came first though.

Both claims are stupidly large and in violation of the established rules set down in the first post of this thread. >_>

speaking of claims, none of the other people have started making their claims RPs [those that were confirmed...].

Hmmm, still waiting for confoirmation by GT6R. Is he on vacation or something?

so it seems...

Hmmm, still waiting for confoirmation by GT6R. Is he on vacation or something?
Power outage. Not really a nice vacation... ;) They actually are quite common in the summer where I live, so don't count on me always being on.

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Persecution and Hatred: Confirmed. South Africa.

Military Command: Your claim is way too big, as Sistan noted. Keep it to five states (assuming each state you choose counts as a half of a country, adjust if necessary) or less.

Neuvo Rica: Not all of the remaining area. Keep it to seven states (assuming each state you choose counts as a half of a country, adjust if necessary) or less. (Yes, there is a secret formula I use for large nations that's not in the rules. ;))

Warta Endor: Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei, Indonesia, and New Guinea would be possible.

argh... back to the drawing board


:D:D:D

(Yes, there is a secret formula I use for large nations that's not in the rules. ;))

Would you mind taking a look at the map, because I didn't know that there was a "secret formula"? I need to know if the map is still accurate, along with the claims.

And a personal note, the territorial claim in the US is significantly reduced compared to the territory grab elswhere, especially in Russia and China, where the territory [Russia] and population [China] are disproportionately larger than the US shares. I would imagine that it's unfair to divvy the US and not divvy Russia according to oblast or China according to province. I would suggest revising that part, because I think puts players who try to get US territory an unfair disadvantage to other regions.

To be fair, the US states are all very highly developed economically and infrastructure wise with the exception of Alaska. The wide open expanses of China and Russia are not that way.

:) thanks il write up the thread today

The Government of United Federation of Military Command the following areas. Michigan, Ohio, France and Japan if that is ok.

Goody! I already made my Military Thread...

@TG6R: Ok, my claim goes on the following 7 states:

Alabama
Florida
Georgia
Louisiana
Mississippi
Tennessee
Texas

If you confirm this, I'll get my ORBAT hootymajig up.

I would like to claim the territories of Spain, Portugal and Morocco.

Though this is a new nation, I have a long history of written RP, here on NS as well as on other forums. I've recently returned to Nation States after a long absence, as I've been longing for the international roleplay which seems to be unique to this forum. If you do chose to accept my claim on these territories, know that you will be bringing in an experienced, quality roleplayer who will be with you for the long haul. I do hope you will consider my candidacy for the territories requested. (crosses fingers)

To be fair, the US states are all very highly developed economically and infrastructure wise with the exception of Alaska. The wide open expanses of China and Russia are not that way.

I thought that this was based on NS standards, not RL...

I would like to claim the territories of Spain, Portugal and Morocco.

Though this is a new nation, I have a long history of written RP, here on NS as well as on other forums. I've recently returned to Nation States after a long absence, as I've been longing for the international roleplay which seems to be unique to this forum. If you do chose to accept my claim on these territories, know that you will be bringing in an experienced, quality roleplayer who will be with you for the long haul. I do hope you will consider my candidacy for the territories requested. (crosses fingers)

you can't havev morocco ;)

actually, it seems good to me, but TG6R does the confirmations... at lest you grammer is gud :D

Yay, me got more players every day! All we need is an evil villain like Vineyard or Tenebricosis...*dreams away*

Neuvo Rica and Military Command: Confirmed.

I thought that this was based on NS standards, not RL...
Sistan is actually right, but for the wrong reasons. This is based on NS standards, BUT the NS countries that controled the United States have all developed their land much more than those that controlled China (although Mauiwowee was a modern nation, clearly not all areas were developed) and Russia.

Funny how everything relates to real-life in the end, isn't it? Nobody yet wants to develop rural areas of China or Russia.

Would you mind taking a look at the map, because I didn't know that there was a "secret formula"? I need to know if the map is still accurate, along with the claims.
The "secret formula" is amazingly simple:

Nations deemed to be esteemed and large = four nations + one half or quarter nation.

So, is the status of my request pending, or has it been declined?

Neuvo Rica and Military Command: Confirmed.




Neat. Thanks, I'll try and get my ORBAT up tomorrow on the military thread, and make an intro, but unfortunately I have to go away for a week starting tomorrow -sorry about that, but I can assure you I'll be as active as when I get back.

Sistan is actually right, but for the wrong reasons. This is based on NS standards, BUT the NS countries that controled the United States have all developed their land much more than those that controlled China (although Mauiwowee was a modern nation, clearly not all areas were developed) and Russia.

Funny how everything relates to real-life in the end, isn't it? Nobody yet wants to develop rural areas of China or Russia.

ehh, I suppose... I'm more concerned with territorial claims than with RL comparisons, but it's not my thread.

And above all, WE DON'T need VINEYARD... [don't know much of him/her, only that his/her reputation is somewhat infamous in my circle...not to suggest that he/she can't join in the first place, by all means, join!]

So, is the status of my request pending, or has it been declined?

I haven't seen confirmed, and I'd personally love to add you to my list right now so I won't have to do it later... but I'm not the con-guy...

I'll take Ukraine, Bulgaria, Turkey, and Moldova.

Saqaliba: You're going to have to go the Merriam Webster route to getting a country. That means RPing an organization's rise to power in one of those countries, and somehow getting control of the other two.

I'll take Ukraine, Bulgaria, Turkey, and Moldova.
Confirmed.

Confirmed.
Ok, I'll post tomorrow...if I can figure out exactly what to do.

welllllllll... I've updated the map again...

come on people!!! start asking for claims at the SAME TIME so it only makes me work ONCE.

and by all means, join if you are willing to make a good RP opportunity out of this, because it's rare that something like this comes along and opens up an entire world to the whims of your imagination [part of it at least...]. JOIN NOW, JOIN TODAY!

Could you change my color? I can barely tell the difference.

Could you change my color? I can barely tell the difference.

light sea green okay?

Ill take Pakistan

I would like to claim India.

That would make a nice combination. Confirmed. :)

light sea green okay?
Certainly, thanks. I'd prefer orange or red, but those are taken and I've caused too much trouble already about it.

I'm gone till Wednesday, helping my Uncle with some rebuilding...:)

I'll RP my little plans when I'm back. Warn new guys to avoid SE Asia and the Solomons would ya ;) It could become pretty hairy out there...

Do I have to RP how I got my land? Or has it just "Always been there"?

Do I have to RP how I got my land? Or has it just "Always been there"?

A history would be nice...

I've updated the map, and I've added a note of reservation for Kopparsberg [he said he TGed you, so I'll wait until you confirm, but otherwise, I'm fine with having a peaceful neighbor :D]

Is it possible I could join this RP claiming Kenya, Tanzania, and Madagascar (two countries and an island)?

I'm back from my vacation.

So is there anything I need to be aware of or catch up on?

I'm back from my vacation.

So is there anything I need to be aware of or catch up on?

Hey Sharina! Long time no see. Sorry I stopped appearing in E20...:(

EDIT: Looks like we're the last FOAMies :p

((OOC: Slovakia here, haven't posted much pertaining to E5 recently due to sumer work; just letting you know I am still here and all.))

South Africa would like to endorse Kreynorias claims. I can verify he Does R.P. :)

I'm back from my vacation.

So is there anything I need to be aware of or catch up on?
Hey Sharina? Remember me from E20?

((OOC: Slovakia here, haven't posted much pertaining to E5 recently due to sumer work; just letting you know I am still here and all.))
Sorry to do this, but Electron...remember Portugal...21c.


A history? I'll see what I can do.

Yeah, I remember it and I had fun, till you guys let Asbena stay and I made a decision not to deal with that horrible person; 'tis why I quit.

Yeah, I remember it and I had fun, till you guys let Asbena stay and I made a decision not to deal with that horrible person; 'tis why I quit.
Well he's long gone and banned.

Well he's long gone and banned.
So he finally broke you all with his insanity and inability to loose ever?

Hey Sharina? Remember me from E20?


Sorry to do this, but Electron...remember Portugal...21c.


A history? I'll see what I can do.

Yeah, I do remember you from waaaaay back when E20 started. Its still around after more than 1 RL year, an impressive feat considering practically all NS RP's die out after 1 or 2 weeks. There's only a few exceptions like Earth II, Earth V (almost died a few times), and that magic RP (forgot the name tho).

would it be ok if a claim a small territory called the Gaza strip. its tiny and probably smaller than a lot of islands.....:)

Hello my friends!

This is the restarted nation Kopparbergs, but I don't have access to the forums as Kopparbergs yet. Until the problem is fixed, I'll post here as Stallberg but pretend it's posted by Kopparbergs...

I've TG'd TG6R and asked for Israel and The West Bank, hope he wouldn't mind about that.

I'm really looking forward to start playing again!

This should be really fun! Great with so many new players in Earth V.

To those of you who doesn't recognize me I can tell that I was really active in Earth V in summer 2004 - winter 2005 (and bitwise summer 2005).

Hello my friends!

This is the restarted nation Kopparbergs, but I don't have access to the forums as Kopparbergs yet. Until the problem is fixed, I'll post here as Stallberg but pretend it's posted by Kopparbergs...

I've TG'd TG6R and asked for Israel and The West Bank, hope he wouldn't mind about that.

I'm really looking forward to start playing again!

This should be really fun! Great with so many new players in Earth V.

To those of you who doesn't recognize me I can tell that I was really active in Earth V in summer 2004 - winter 2005 (and bitwise summer 2005).

I remember you from way back then. Its good to see you (TGSR and I are the only Earth V veterans left, everybody else either quit, got deleted for inactivity NS-wise, or lost interest).

Kopparbergs: Confirmed.

Kreynoria']Is it possible I could join this RP claiming Kenya, Tanzania, and Madagascar (two countries and an island)?
Yes. Confirmed.

would it be ok if a claim a small territory called the Gaza strip. its tiny and probably smaller than a lot of islands.....

Is this confirmed?


And for the others, I'll get an update...

I pamper you guys too much - me thinks a service is in due [j/k :p]

I would like to claim Georgia(not the state but the country)

Uh... not sure how to go about doing this. Not sure if there are rules for claiming, if not I want Lebanon and Western Syria, if so, just Lebanon.

Helexeo: Confirmed.
Lylybium: Confirmed.

Is this confirmed?
Sure.

Thanks

I'd like to get in on this. Could I have Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia? I'd like all three, but I don't mind chopping one of them off if you think it's unreasonable. I've been in a fair amount of RPs (Earth 2015, Earth 2050, Earth IX, it's a long list...)

I'd like to get in on this. Could I have Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia? I'd like all three, but I don't mind chopping one of them off if you think it's unreasonable. I've been in a fair amount of RPs (Earth 2015, Earth 2050, Earth IX, it's a long list...)

First of all, read the caveat emptor about South East Asia here:
I'm gone till Wednesday, helping my Uncle with some rebuilding...:)

I'll RP my little plans when I'm back. Warn new guys to avoid SE Asia and the Solomons would ya ;) It could become pretty hairy out there...

If you acknowledge the possibility of facing direct military conflict in the (very) near future, I'll accept the claim.

I'm fine with that.

I'm fine with that.
Confirmed. Good luck. :)

Lylybium: Confirmed.

I'll presume that that means Lebanon and Western Syria...

Update due soon.

Hey Guys. Do you mind if I join this earth. THeres not much room for me to grow on E2. So I was wondering if I could Claim Australia? Thanks for considering!

Hey Guys. Do you mind if I join this earth. THeres not much room for me to grow on E2. So I was wondering if I could Claim Australia? Thanks for considering!
Sure.

Confirmed.

Thanks. Few Questions though.

Are SDs alowed?
How many plots of land can a nation have?
To claim more land do you have to rp for it?

Thanks!

Thanks. Few Questions though.

Are SDs alowed?
How many plots of land can a nation have?
To claim more land do you have to rp for it?

Thanks!
SDs? What are those?
Initial claim limitations are listed on the front page. Nations larger than those should suggest a fair land amount (usually 4.5 nations). After the initial, an unlimited amount of land may be acquired through RP, though it must be approved by Sharina or I.
Yes.

Would it be possible to claim New Zealand and Aust? Depending on what you consider thoughs let me know if i have an island or a nation still open to occupy.

Saint Lazare can vouch i believe.

Dweladelfia Prime just claimed Australia.

SDs? What are those?
Retarded. (http://www.geocities.com/doujincorp/doujinbb.html)

Edit: never mind on Aust. But id like to swicth that to all surrounding islands including: New Caledonia ; Norfolk Island ; Fiji ; Vanuata ; Tonga ; Cook Islands ; French Polynesia ; Marshall Islands ; American Samoa ; Kiribati; and if not claimed than Solomon Islands

also the Phillipines ; Taiwan ; South Korea ?

Edit: never mind on Aust. But id like to swicth that to all surrounding islands including: New Caledonia ; Norfolk Island ; Fiji ; Vanuata ; Tonga ; Cook Islands ; French Polynesia ; Marshall Islands ; American Samoa ; Kiribati; and if not claimed than Solomon Islands

also the Phillipines ; Taiwan ; South Korea ?

Arg I was just gonna go for those. Mind staying away from New Zealand/ New Caldonia? I didnt know I could claim more and I was planning on gathering up the pacific Islands. I was busy workking on my factbook. Theres alot of land in Russia to be had Brink! If brink dosnt want to claim them can I claim New Zealand/ New Caldonia?

Retarded. (http://www.geocities.com/doujincorp/doujinbb.html)

He knows what they are. He's just being sarcastic.

So he finally broke you all with his insanity and inability to loose ever?
Pretty much

Yeah, I do remember you from waaaaay back when E20 started. Its still around after more than 1 RL year, an impressive feat considering practically all NS RP's die out after 1 or 2 weeks. There's only a few exceptions like Earth II, Earth V (almost died a few times), and that magic RP (forgot the name tho).
Yeah its also amazing my 21c RP is still around...and it went offsite even.

I would like to claim Georgia(not the state but the country)
Curse you! I was going to invade that.

He knows what they are. He's just being sarcastic.
My point stands.

Just wondering. does Gibralter qualify as a complete nation???? and what about Tokelau. They are both relatively insignificant (except Gibralters strategic value.) pieces of land. may I claim them? im not overextending myself due to the relative size of my country. if i am let me know. :)


(Heres an idea. it would be a bit of work for somebody but how about we have a list that shows the nations in Earth V in terms of economic power, military power e.t.c)

Just wondering. does Gibralter qualify as a complete nation???? and what about Tokelau. They are both relatively insignificant (except Gibralters strategic value.) pieces of land. may I claim them? im not overextending myself due to the relative size of my country. if i am let me know. :)

If I were you, I'd try to keep my claims as contiguous as possible. Defending a haphazard empire like some people have is futile at best and impossible under most circumstances. Regardless, I'm fairly sure that Gibraltar counted as part of Spain.

(Heres an idea. it would be a bit of work for somebody but how about we have a list that shows the nations in Earth V in terms of economic power, military power e.t.c)
Here. (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nationstring=Sharina:The_Great_Sixth_Reich:Great_Romeo:Frigidaqua:Alif_Laam_Miim:Wande rjar:Whittlesfield:Auman:-New_Slovakia-:Merriam_Webster:Sistan:Pyschotika:Asherton:Persecution_and_Hatred:Neuvo_Rica:Military_Command:Warta _Endor:Sel_Appa:Saqaliba:Maldorians:Zelron:Kopparbergs:Kreynoria:Helexeo:Lylybium:H-Town_Tejas)
Though if it were up to me, we'd be using real world populations and adjusting our budgets to match. After all, I don't think anyone wants to deal with -this- (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=Auman).

Personally, I don't think having SD's in Earth V would be a good idea.

1. They would be far too large to fit in most RL harbors and canals, and Earth V is supposed to be as realistic as possible (matching RL terrain and such). In NS Earth, canals and waterways could be 10 miles wide or something, but this is not the case in Earth's modeled after the RL one.

2. Superdread's can lead to god-modding, IGNORES, wank-fests, and such when the nation who is being attacked by the SD tries to do outrageous things to kill the SD (remember how bad Vineyard whined about CONVENTIONAL warfare, like with Doomingsland and Tenebricosis way back in the early days of Earth V). Then the SD owner counters with outrageous stuff of his / her own, leading to a chain of godmods, counter-godmods, and eventual IGNORES or stuff.

3. There *could* be semi-superdreads (half the size of NS SD's or a beefed up battleship based off the Iowa class), as long as they are reasonable and pratical within RL Earth limitations (harbors, canals, waterways, rivers, etc.)

4. I personally have witnessed a number of players who own SD's believe the ships make their navy invincible and unbeatable, which kills RP in the process. I want to minimize as much god-modding and stuff as possible in Earth V.

Personally, I don't think having SD's in Earth V would be a good idea.

1. They would be far too large to fit in most RL harbors and canals, and Earth V is supposed to be as realistic as possible (matching RL terrain and such). In NS Earth, canals and waterways could be 10 miles wide or something, but this is not the case in Earth's modeled after the RL one.

2. Superdread's can lead to god-modding, IGNORES, wank-fests, and such when the nation who is being attacked by the SD tries to do outrageous things to kill the SD (remember how bad Vineyard whined about CONVENTIONAL warfare, like with Doomingsland and Tenebricosis way back in the early days of Earth V). Then the SD owner counters with outrageous stuff of his / her own, leading to a chain of godmods, counter-godmods, and eventual IGNORES or stuff.

3. There *could* be semi-superdreads (half the size of NS SD's or a beefed up battleship based off the Iowa class), as long as they are reasonable and pratical within RL Earth limitations (harbors, canals, waterways, rivers, etc.)

4. I personally have witnessed a number of players who own SD's believe the ships make their navy invincible and unbeatable, which kills RP in the process. I want to minimize as much god-modding and stuff as possible in Earth V.

This is precisely why I don't have them in E2.

I really want to stress that people should avoid South East Asian land. Warta Endor is going to be taking military action in that area tomorrow. Unless, of course, they don't mind a war on their hands upon claiming their land.

yes i am getting a bit overzealous. Il stick to my region..... (I.e. Africa) may I claim Swaziland and Lesotho? It would be annoying if some foreign power claim two enclaves in the Heartland of South Africa. and that will be all my claims untill 500-600 million population mark.

I really want to stress that people should avoid South East Asian land. Warta Endor is going to be taking military action in that area tomorrow. Unless, of course, they don't mind a war on their hands upon claiming their land.

So can I claim New Zealand and New Calidonia? Since he hasnt said anything.

Personally, I don't think having SD's in Earth V would be a good idea.

1. They would be far too large to fit in most RL harbors and canals, and Earth V is supposed to be as realistic as possible (matching RL terrain and such). In NS Earth, canals and waterways could be 10 miles wide or something, but this is not the case in Earth's modeled after the RL one.

2. Superdread's can lead to god-modding, IGNORES, wank-fests, and such when the nation who is being attacked by the SD tries to do outrageous things to kill the SD (remember how bad Vineyard whined about CONVENTIONAL warfare, like with Doomingsland and Tenebricosis way back in the early days of Earth V). Then the SD owner counters with outrageous stuff of his / her own, leading to a chain of godmods, counter-godmods, and eventual IGNORES or stuff.

3. There *could* be semi-superdreads (half the size of NS SD's or a beefed up battleship based off the Iowa class), as long as they are reasonable and pratical within RL Earth limitations (harbors, canals, waterways, rivers, etc.)

4. I personally have witnessed a number of players who own SD's believe the ships make their navy invincible and unbeatable, which kills RP in the process. I want to minimize as much god-modding and stuff as possible in Earth V.

I actually have a large battleship designed that could rival SDs, but it's nowhere near as large. My destroyer and cruiser forces, however, would eat a SD alive. Since my naval doctrine is heavily based on the IJN's, that means alot of torpedoes. That spells disaster for a trimarine hulled ship like the Doujin and her clones. After all, try counterflooding when you have large holes in two of your three hulls.

So while they're far from invincible, they're lame and unfeasable.

yes i am getting a bit overzealous. Il stick to my region..... (I.e. Africa) may I claim Swaziland and Lesotho? It would be annoying if some foreign power claim two enclaves in the Heartland of South Africa. and that will be all my claims untill 500-600 million population mark.

I support this.

You can take more land IF you RP well for it (no 1 sentence RP posts mind you).

Here's my RP thread for Earth V.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11480401#post11480401

I'm going after Hawaii to provide Sharina with a strategic advantage in the Pacific, namely the ability to use Hawaii as an early warning base, to detect any incoming hostile fleets or air raids that may threaten the American mainland.

I support this.

You can take more land IF you RP well for it (no 1 sentence RP posts mind you).

Thankyou right now I am Builing my army factbook. An rp will come eather today or tommorow.

Yes i see what you mean sharina. 'SOUTH AFRICAN FORCES PROCURES NAMIBIA BY ANNEXATION, RESISTANCE IS CHRUSHED!!!!!!" :D

seriously I will do a good r.p. for any land I want to claim. Im still finishing my alternative history for south africa.

i claimed Afghanistan

i claimed Afghanistan

Really?
Ill take Pakistan

Oh snap!

New Pacific Claim Thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494556

Two things:


1) For military tech, can we use NS-developed stuff (Kriegzimmer or DMG, for example) or are we restricted to RL?

2) I will be posting under a puppet from now on as to comply with the EII charter.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11479297#post11479297
jolt.co.uk public forums - [Earth V]Whittlesfield


There ya go.

I am sorry, but I'm having all kinds of time pressures right now that leave me with little NS time, I think I am going to have to leave Earth V.

Kreynoria']Two things:


1) For military tech, can we use NS-developed stuff (Kriegzimmer or DMG, for example) or are we restricted to RL?

2) I will be posting under a puppet from now on as to comply with the EII charter.

We better not be. I just spent 3 hours making my military and not much of its real.

Kreynoria']I am sorry, but I'm having all kinds of time pressures right now that leave me with little NS time, I think I am going to have to leave Earth V.

So your not gonna use a puppet?

I too will be making further posts with a puppet. It is of the same population but doesnt come close to matching my real one.. o well.

DP, sorry but i would like to keep those islands, if my claim goes through

I too will be making further posts with a puppet. It is of the same population but doesnt come close to matching my real one.. o well.

DP, sorry but i would like to keep those islands, if my claim goes through

Then you'll ahve to fight for them. I've been already givin permission to claim them in rp. You can rp the resitance. But I doubt it will hold. You sure you dont want to claim land somwere else?

I believe, as the rule goes, ill get them because i in fact claimed them before you. I shall await the 6th's answer as i believe he is the moderator. If gives you the go ahead than thats fine.

I believe, as the rule goes, ill get them because i in fact claimed them before you. I shall await the 6th's answer as i believe he is the moderator. If gives you the go ahead than thats fine.

I've already been given the go ahead for a mod so sorry brink. THeres plenty of bigger chunks of lands somwere else. I dont want land on one part of the globe and land and on another. You can still claim the Philippines


and everything north mostly. Look at my rp its got a list of what I'm claiming. THeres still alot of Islands out there.

I understand but i would like confirmation from the Great 6th. Rules are rules, i did claim them first.

Also unless you have a large puppet youll have to choose this or EII, sorry.

@ Lay. I tech dont have any land in EV but nevertheless if what your saying means i have to choose than the obvious choice is EII.

You gave up your claim there. Not sorry for me sorry for you. You have no claim Ive been given permission. THeres plenty of land elsewere for you to claim. So please stop arguing.

Indeed but that is a completely different thread in which i learned a puppet could be used. If you will look i made the claim first so we shall await the ruling. If the land is given to you then go for it.

I support this.

You can take more land IF you RP well for it (no 1 sentence RP posts mind you).

THE RULINGS ALREADY BEEN GIVEN! Face it brink. I've already been given permission. And it dosnt matter if it was a diffrent thread. You said you were chosing EII over EV. TO LATE, you said it. And if you want to claim land with a puppet nation. CLAIM it with you puppet nation.

Maybe id like to hear it myself.

Also Your going to have to choose EV or EII

Maybe id like to hear it myself.

Also Your going to have to choose EV or EII

What do you mean its on the 11th page. Look. Ive already been given permission deal with it. THeres plenty of other land.

lol...read again friend he/she wasnt saying they support you but rather the advancement into Lesotho and Swaziland by Presecution and Hatred.

lol...read again friend he/she wasnt saying they support you but rather the advancement into Lesotho and Swaziland by Presecution and Hatred.
Hmm thats odd. Well anywas I'm still claiming them. If you want to claim them then fight for them. But please I want to be in one place not spread out across the world. There are alot of Islands I didnt claim. Claim those or somthing in africa, or russia. But please unless you want a war stay away form the pacific.

Simmer down, Brinks and Dweladelfia.

I'm going to be discuss this with TGSR. However in my opinion, if they both want the same islands or claims, I'm inclined to have them fight for it. The various islands or nations have a civil war, and both Brinks and Dweladelfia can support one side each in the civil war. Whoever wins the civil war goes to whichever nation backed that side (meaning if Brink's faction wins a civil war, the island or claim goes to Brink, ditto for Dweladelfia).

Simmer down, Brinks and Dweladelfia.

I'm going to be discuss this with TGSR. However in my opinion, if they both want the same islands or claims, I'm inclined to have them fight for it. The various islands or nations have a civil war, and both Brinks and Dweladelfia can support one side each in the civil war. Whoever wins the civil war goes to whichever nation backed that side (meaning if Brink's faction wins a civil war, the island or claim goes to Brink, ditto for Dweladelfia).

Civil War? I've already landed in New Zealand, Fiji And new caldonia. If he wants it he can rp the resitance, but no restiance will be able to stand up.

THE RULINGS ALREADY BEEN GIVEN! Face it brink. I've already been given permission. And it dosnt matter if it was a diffrent thread. You said you were chosing EII over EV. TO LATE, you said it. And if you want to claim land with a puppet nation. CLAIM it with you puppet nation.

keep the heat down, please....

keep the heat down, please....

lol, sorry. I need to calm down somtimes lol.

Would it be possible to claim New Zealand and Aust? Depending on what you consider thoughs let me know if i have an island or a nation still open to occupy.

Saint Lazare can vouch i believe.

Saint Lazare? Who is Saint Lazare? :p

Saint Lazare? Who is Saint Lazare? :p

lol

Your other name is very difficult to remember let alone spell. Saint Lazare is much much easier.

I really need TG6R [or Sharina] to tell me just exactly who has who, because all of this ruckus is confusing me. I don't know who gets what [except Aust and SAfrica]. And please for ease, make claims clear. If you've already claimed something, try to refrain from taking too much land too quickly, because that steals the realism aspect of this thing [whatever butchered remains there are of it...]. And if it is something that is to be invaded, try to make more distinguishable for first time claims, because I just just doubled my list of claims because I saw names that had already made claims...

Point of this spiel - make your posts recognizable - if OOC chatter, there's no need to make it noticeable, but if it's a first claim or an annex request, make it known - please?

Thats what I was trying to do. I was only going to claim one thing the first day, so I wouldnt be a pig. But here comes brink claiming every bit of land in the pacific. So I decided to move and take what I could. Which still isnt all the Islands in the pacific.

Thats what I was trying to do. I was only going to claim one thing the first day, so I wouldnt be a pig. But here comes brink claiming every bit of land in the pacific. So I decided to move and take what I could. Which still isnt all the Islands in the pacific.

I didn't ask for a blame fest - I asked for coherent claims... and if someone claims a territory that you want later on, and TG6R or Sharina approves the claim [I iterate - it's not my call...], you'll be fighting with him/her. As far as I know, nothing has been except you being Australia.

I didn't ask for a blame fest - I asked for coherent claims... and if someone claims a territory that you want later on, and TG6R or Sharina approves the claim [I iterate - it's not my call...], you'll be fighting with him/her. As far as I know, nothing has been except you being Australia.

Hey He never said brink could have it yet. and I should have priority since I'm already a memebr. There is plenty of other land for brink to claim. He dosnt need to be greedy and take this land.

Oh and by the way Fiji and New Zealnd and New Caledonia need an rp to claim them because someone else used to have them and there govorment fell. So you can't just calim them Brink. I already have an rp claiming them so there mine.

Hey He never said brink could have it yet. and I should have priority since I'm already a memebr. There is plenty of other land for brink to claim. He dosnt need to be greedy and take this land.

speak carefully...

and BTW, whether or not a person gets a claim is not determined by their member status - I'd personally hold a preference to new players, since this is a revitalization. But ultimately, my opinion doesn't get much anyway, because it's up to TG6R or Sharina, because they're the mods/admin/whatever-words-fit-description-fittingly... As you say, there is other land to claim, but don't go about rping an invasion if they haven't approved of it. Quite frankly, I could be invading Lebanon and Syria - heck, why not Saudi Arabia for that matter? - but I'm choosing restraint over territory, because I'd rather have a bunch of neighbors than no neighbors, because ultimately, this kind of RPing is interactive, and you need people to make it interactive.

AND I am still waiting for Sharina or TG6R to give me word on what's the situation with the land grab [in its entirety, unless I get a good stroke of brilliance and figure out the stuff...]

Oh and by the way Fiji and New Zealnd and New Caledonia need an rp to claim them because someone else used to have them and there govorment fell. So you can't just calim them Brink. I already have an rp claiming them so there mine.

*Cough*

Oh and by the way Fiji and New Zealnd and New Caledonia need an rp to claim them because someone else used to have them and there govorment fell. So you can't just calim them Brink. I already have an rp claiming them so there mine.

So nobody has any argument against this fact?

So nobody has any argument against this fact?

You posted it - but neither Sharina nor TG6R approved it...

I'm going to be discuss this with TGSR. However in my opinion, if they both want the same islands or claims, I'm inclined to have them fight for it. The various islands or nations have a civil war, and both Brinks and Dweladelfia can support one side each in the civil war. Whoever wins the civil war goes to whichever nation backed that side (meaning if Brink's faction wins a civil war, the island or claim goes to Brink, ditto for Dweladelfia).

Ah, I'm going to claim Ireland, Northern Ireland, and Isle of Man as well.

You posted it - but neither Sharina nor TG6R approved it...

Good. Point but they probloly didnt notice that rule. And again I'm already in New Zealand, New Caldonia, and fiji.

AND I am still waiting for Sharina or TG6R to give me word on what's the situation with the land grab [in its entirety, unless I get a good stroke of brilliance and figure out the stuff...]
... and I'm still trying to figure what is going on here. :headbang:

... and I'm still trying to figure what is going on here. :headbang:
Ok brink thinks he can just claim those Islands. But the rule says land thats highlighted in red needs to have a rp to claim it. But I have an rp to claim it already. But he thinks he can just claim it. So we both think there ours. What we need is you to decide whos they are.

*shrugs*
No idea.

Ok brink thinks he can just claim those Islands. But the rule says land thats highlighted in red needs to have a rp to claim it. But I have an rp to claim it already. But he thinks he can just claim it. So we both think there ours. What we need is you to decide whos they are.

that's not helping him or me...

The supence is killing me............

that's not helping him or me...

ok I'll sum it up

1. Brink and me claim: New Zealand, Fiji and New calidonia

2. The rule States. That all land that used to be held by a former nation (That has colapsed) has to be claimed with a rp.

3. I've made a rp claiming them.

4. Brink has not, He has only claimed them with one post on this thread.

Question to TG6R. Whos owns them?

Quite frankly, I could be invading Lebanon and Syria - heck, why not Saudi Arabia for that matter?
Well, I'd kick your ass for one...

And on that note, if you dorks keep arguing over the Pacific, I'll annex the islands myself and neither of you will get anything.

Well, I'd kick your ass for one...

And on that note, if you dorks keep arguing over the Pacific, I'll annex the islands myself and neither of you will get anything.

A. My nations bigger than yours. So come and try.

B. The pacific is none of your business.

C. Who let you on this earth? All you do is flame people.

ok I'll sum it up

1. Brink and me claim: New Zealand, Fiji and New calidonia

2. The rule States. That all land that used to be held by a former nation (That has colapsed) has to be claimed with a rp.

3. I've made a rp claiming them.

4. Brink has not, He has only claimed them with one post on this thread.

Question to TG6R. Whos owns them?

That's not my only concern, and furthermore, the rule also states that TG6R or Sharina must approve the claim before the RPing is to be done... capisce?

Well, I'd kick your ass for one...

You have no posted army [see this thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11393906#post11393906], so I don't consider that a serious threat for the moment; besides that, it's all hypothetical anyway - the comment was attempting to point out that grabbing every single territory in reach is not exactly the best idea anyway, because it automatically excludes other players from the RPing [of which I mention, one reason why you [DP] are here is for that reason, as is for me].

Personally, I'd like everyone to keep their claims simple and explicit [meaning, make a title with the word "claim" or "annex" present, s'il vous plait], because it makes TG6R's job of approval easier, and my job to work on this stuff in a map form less painful than it already is...

A. My nations bigger than yours. So come and try.
Not that much bigger, and my defense budget is just as big as yours. Furthermore, I'd love to see you fight a war without any oil...

B. The pacific is none of your business.
That isn't for you to decide.

C. Who let you on this earth? All you do is flame people.
Yes. I'm flaming people... You're just the one squabbling over a few islands and don't even have the balls to fight over them IC.

A. My nations bigger than yours. So come and try.

B. The pacific is none of your business.

C. Who let you on this earth? All you do is flame people.

my apologies to TG6R - this is helping no one...

DP, your temper is not the best of tempers, as is evident in the past three pages of this recruitment... it is not in your league to 1) threaten anyone; 2) complain about someone flaming anyone else; 3) making boasts when you both are relatively new nations [as am I...].

Sistan, you're not helping either. While a nice break, it leads to another contest of sorts...

You have no posted army [see this thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11393906#post11393906], so I don't consider that a serious threat for the moment; besides that, it's all hypothetical anyway - the comment was attempting to point out that grabbing every single territory in reach is not exactly the best idea anyway, because it automatically excludes other players from the RPing [of which I mention, one reason why you [DP] are here is for that reason, as is for me].
Not yet, but as soon as I finish my opening thread...

The rules also state that there is to be no arguing over land in this thread. I guess nobody read that one... :)

Anyway, here's my ruling:

De jure, United States of Brink gets the disputed islands, per the rules (that for some reason are not in the first post of this recruitment thread... see the old recruiting thread if you want to read the conduct standards for Earth V recruiting threads).
Dweladelfia prime has a huge advantage de facto in getting the land, since he started his RP earlier. Basically it's going to be a civil war like Sharina suggested, except Dweladelfia prime has the major advantage. However, his claim is technically illegitimate in terms of traditional international law.

But could somebody please summarize the claims? I don't know what islands you two are disputing over, all of those several islands Brink posted?

I wanted no argument. If I were to be approved for my claims than I lengthy RP would indeed follow. I’ve kept quiet as to not instigate further argument; with this post I am simply reaffirming my stance.

Edit: Nevermind than i was writing this before i saw TG6R's post.

As to EII's D2 which was never really enforced up till now, I shall no longer be a part of Earth V. I am sorry for this, as I did wish to do something *Be a pain in the neck for The Great Sixth Reich* but I also figured I would not have enough time as well.

As EII is more 'family' to me than EV so far, I have picked the one of the other.

Thank you and sorry.

-Sincerely,

Joseph.

As to EII's D2 which was never really enforced up till now, I shall no longer be a part of Earth V. I am sorry for this, as I did wish to do something *Be a pain in the neck for The Great Sixth Reich* but I also figured I would not have enough time as well.

As EII is more 'family' to me than EV so far, I have picked the one of the other.

Thank you and sorry.

-Sincerely,

Joseph.

You could always use a puppet. Mari and I don't wish to divide people between E2 and E5.

Thiss is a little late, and I'm hoping that this is everything up to this moment... :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

[again my apologies to TG6R...]

DP = Australia [confirmed]

USB = New Zealand ; New Caledonia ; Norfolk Island ; Fiji ; Vanuata ; Tonga ; Cook Islands ; French Polynesia ; Marshall Islands ; American Samoa ; Kiribati; Solomon Islands; the Phillipines ; Taiwan ; South Korea [I think list might be a little long, but USB can consolidate, and this remains semi-unconfirmed due to disputes and uncertainty in actual claims...]

DP = New Caledonia ; New Zealand [semi-unconfirmed - annex...see above]

P&H = Lesotho ; Swaziland [confirmed per Sharina - annex]

Maldorians = Afghanistan [unconfirmed - annex ; BTW he attempted to claim on the map, despite my explicit warning and proviso regarding claims on that thread...]

Whittlesfield = Ireland ; Northern Ireland ; Isle of Man [unconfirmed - annex ; the only one I appreciate actually]

I'm hoping that this is everyone, because I searched post by post by post to get this...

To make sure I understand a few things and clear others up.

1st my claims [let me know if I need to knock a few things off because this is what I claimed in my first post] = New Caledonia ; Norfolk Island ; Fiji ; Vanuatu ; Tonga ; Cook Islands ; French Polynesia ; Marshall Islands ; American Samoa ; Kiribati; and if not claimed than Solomon Islands ; Philippines ; Taiwan [I've dropped SK]

2nd the situation = Ill be RPing as the locals against an invading DP force that magically appeared the same day he took control of his own homeland?

If this is so, DP let me know the Islands in dispute and we can begin our very own little war!

Actually, I'm in the process of invading and annexing Hawaii (to give Sharina a pacific base).

Thiss is a little late, and I'm hoping that this is everything up to this moment... :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

[again my apologies to TG6R...]

DP = Australia [confirmed]

USB = New Zealand ; New Caledonia ; Norfolk Island ; Fiji ; Vanuata ; Tonga ; Cook Islands ; French Polynesia ; Marshall Islands ; American Samoa ; Kiribati; Solomon Islands; the Phillipines ; Taiwan ; South Korea [I think list might be a little long, but USB can consolidate, and this remains semi-unconfirmed due to disputes and uncertainty in actual claims...]

DP = New Caledonia ; New Zealand [semi-unconfirmed - annex...see above]

P&H = Lesotho ; Swaziland [confirmed per Sharina - annex]

Maldorians = Afghanistan [unconfirmed - annex ; BTW he attempted to claim on the map, despite my explicit warning and proviso regarding claims on that thread...]

Whittlesfield = Ireland ; Northern Ireland ; Isle of Man [unconfirmed - annex ; the only one I appreciate actually]

I'm hoping that this is everyone, because I searched post by post by post to get this...


I take, Fiji, new Zealand and New calidonia. Brink can have everything else. Sorry about the arguing. :D

To make sure I understand a few things and clear others up.

1st my claims [let me know if I need to knock a few things off because this is what I claimed in my first post] = New Caledonia ; Norfolk Island ; Fiji ; Vanuatu ; Tonga ; Cook Islands ; French Polynesia ; Marshall Islands ; American Samoa ; Kiribati; and if not claimed than Solomon Islands ; Philippines ; Taiwan [I've dropped SK]

2nd the situation = Ill be RPing as the locals against an invading DP force that magically appeared the same day he took control of his own homeland?

If this is so, DP let me know the Islands in dispute and we can begin our very own little war!

Sry TG6R has spoken he said there mine. You had you chance. Anyways I'll be gone for tommorow. Mom kicked me off the comp for a day......

OOOOOKKKKAYYY...

let's revise the list:


DP = Australia [confirmed]

USB = New Zealand ; New Caledonia ; Norfolk Island ; Fiji ; Vanuata ; Tonga ; Cook Islands ; French Polynesia ; Marshall Islands ; American Samoa ; Kiribati; Solomon Islands; the Phillipines ; Taiwan [edit out Korea for the moment per IM]

DP = New Caledonia ; New Zealand ; Fiji [semi-unconfirmed - annex...see above]

P&H = Lesotho ; Swaziland [confirmed per Sharina - annex]

Maldorians = Afghanistan [unconfirmed - annex ; BTW he attempted to claim on the map, despite my explicit warning and proviso regarding claims on that thread...]

Whittlesfield = Ireland ; Northern Ireland ; Isle of Man [unconfirmed - annex ; the only one I appreciate actually]

Sharina = Hawaii [confirmed because Sharina is Sharina...unless TG6R needs to confirm that...]

Until I see otherwise by the members on this list [or a disapproval by anyone], this list stands...

We also need a war mod... because stuff like announced invasions need to have preparation work so people know what's coming...

I would volunteer for that. But I'm still confused about where we post what.

This is my puppet [USB] or rather the ID ill be using.

DP he actually said they were mine but a civil war of sorts was soon to follow - something i dont mind playing out but only after some things are later cleared up. I simply wanted to make sure i have everything right. I would suggest slowing down until everything is a go.

This is my puppet [USB] or rather the ID ill be using.

DP he actually said they were mine but a civil war of sorts was soon to follow - something i dont mind playing out but only after some things are later cleared up. I simply wanted to make sure i have everything right. I would suggest slowing down until everything is a go.

i would suggest stopping at the moment... I want TG6R to get those things that are unconfirmed confirmed [which then means I get back to my beautiful drawing board...]

i would suggest stopping at the moment... I want TG6R to get those things that are unconfirmed confirmed [which then means I get back to my beautiful drawing board...]
P&H: Confirmed.
Maldorians: Confirmed, but on probation.
Whittlesfield: Need to RP before confirmation.

ok annexation thread coming up watch this space. (BTW can someone help me with my military statistics im confused about the logistical ratio to infantryman e.t.c., Im also wondering where are some good storefronts? any help would be appreciated. thanks.:)

ok annexation thread coming up watch this space. (BTW can someone help me with my military statistics im confused about the logistical ratio to infantryman e.t.c., Im also wondering where are some good storefronts? any help would be appreciated. thanks.:)
The only "storefronts" available now that you joined Earth V are buying from another nation, such as myself (if you want expensive stuff) or Great Romeo (if you want cheap Soviet crap). :)

As for the declarations, I cannot find the rules myself...

TGSR, check TG's.

There's another major issue I'd like discussed.

NS populations versus RL populations in Earth V.

1. Having 6 billion people live in a land area the size of Delaware, Hawaii, or Rhode Island would be pretty impossible and not possible due to simple physics. Not to mention needing the land to feed that many people.

2. RL populations aren't that hard to find out- you can find them on the CIA Factbook and add them up for each RL nation you claim.

3. However, it'd be a nightmare trying to convert NS budgets onto RL population figures (like our NSEconomy budgets apply for our NS nations, then try to convert that for our Earth V population figures)

4. I don't see the Earth supporting 50, 75, 100+ billion people. Having room for these people to live comfortably PLUS all the farms and agriculture needed to feed these people PLUS the resources needed to support a transportation infrastructure for these people (how do we have the oil to fuel 50+ billion cars everyday, provide electricity for 50+ billion people daily, etc.)

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I'd like to hear the thoughts of the Earth V players on this.

There's another major issue I'd like discussed.

NS populations versus RL populations in Earth V.

1. Having 6 billion people live in a land area the size of Delaware, Hawaii, or Rhode Island would be pretty impossible and not possible due to simple physics. Not to mention needing the land to feed that many people.

2. RL populations aren't that hard to find out- you can find them on the CIA Factbook and add them up for each RL nation you claim.

3. However, it'd be a nightmare trying to convert NS budgets onto RL population figures (like our NSEconomy budgets apply for our NS nations, then try to convert that for our Earth V population figures)

4. I don't see the Earth supporting 50, 75, 100+ billion people. Having room for these people to live comfortably PLUS all the farms and agriculture needed to feed these people PLUS the resources needed to support a transportation infrastructure for these people (how do we have the oil to fuel 50+ billion cars everyday, provide electricity for 50+ billion people daily, etc.)

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I'd like to hear the thoughts of the Earth V players on this.

I like the idea of using RL pops for the controlled territories as I mentioned on a previous page. The massive pops and budgets of NS don't really fit a world modeled after "First-Class Realism", and I don't think anyone wants to deal with the possibility of dealing with nations like Auman with his 6.4 billion people and 83 trillion dollar defense budget.

To convert the budgets, all we need to do is divide our NS pops with our RL pops, then use the resulting number to divide our budgets. Calculating with the populations of my territories, just under 73 million, my total converted military budget would be in the realm of 415.2 billion dollars and my total GDP is about 1.9 trillion dollars.

Not this again... :(

(To those who don't know what I mean, we [older Earth V] had a huge argument about this back on Zifos)

But there was one big issue that never was addressed: How are the differences between real earth and NS earth going to be addressed? What if China was modernized in the rural areas? What if TG6R built a buge modern city with over ten million residents (which already happened, it's named Hienkelstadt (Hienkel City))?

If we all calculated new budgets, what about our militaries?

TG6R could you confirm or deny the situation report I outlined in an earlier post. I would like to make sure I do things right as this would be my intro into EV. No matter your ruling I will abide.

Not this again... :(

(To those who don't know what I mean, we [older Earth V] had a huge argument about this back on Zifos)

But there was one big issue that never was addressed: How are the differences between real earth and NS earth going to be addressed? What if China was modernized in the rural areas?
That's what our adjusted NS economies are for.

What if TG6R built a buge modern city with over ten million residents (which already happened, it's named Hienkelstadt (Hienkel City))?
The same thing that happens in all developing societies. People move from the rural areas and urbanize.

If we all calculated new budgets, what about our militaries?
Adjusting numbers shouldn't be too difficult, but you could even start from scratch using the militaries of the RL territories as a base and upgrade them, modify them, and make them suit your own vision.

TG6R could you confirm or deny the situation report I outlined in an earlier post. I would like to make sure I do things right as this would be my intro into EV. No matter your ruling I will abide.

I'm sort of waiting on that, but honestly, it's on your court to decide on the final schemes... after all, DP has stated that he is intent on taking New Caledonia, New Zealand, and Fiji. You can either opt to counter his claims or reduce your claims [which you'd probably need to do anyway, but I don't make the decision, and TG6R hasn't said anything about it yet...].

I'm waiting for this final tidbit before I update the map, which is as up-to-date as it stands now.

TG6R could you confirm or deny the situation report I outlined in an earlier post. I would like to make sure I do things right as this would be my intro into EV. No matter your ruling I will abide.
Confirmed. It looks like Dweladelfia prime won't be here tomorrow, so slowing it down shouldn't be a problem.

Not this again... :(

(To those who don't know what I mean, we [older Earth V] had a huge argument about this back on Zifos)

But there was one big issue that never was addressed: How are the differences between real earth and NS earth going to be addressed? What if China was modernized in the rural areas? What if TG6R built a buge modern city with over ten million residents (which already happened, it's named Hienkelstadt (Hienkel City))?

If we all calculated new budgets, what about our militaries?

All right... here's my opinion.

I feel that Earth V does need some degree of realism (why else are we trying to make it as realistic as possible)?

If a nation with a 7 billion population sets up shop in Hawaii, and has a 100 trillion dollar defense budget, using NS standards, that nation can easily take over the world. This is actually god-moddish if you think about it.

1. How do you fit 7 billion people in Hawaii?

2. How does the 7 billion population Hawaii be able to farm enough farmland on Hawaii to feed 7 billion people? Or fishing enough fish to feed essentially the ENTIRE POPULATION of RL Earth today? Impossible through and throughout.

3. Even if somehow, magically, the 7 billion population Hawaii somehow has the space and food to feed itself, it will NOT have any resources to build a world-dominating military, or a $100 trillion defense budget military. This is because in Hawaii, there is not much metal, titanium, aluminum, iron, etc. to build all the guns, tanks, naval ships, aircraft, etc. for a $100 trillion military budget.

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Conversely, a nation with land area the size of Russia or China or USA or Canada or maybe even Brazil could possibly house 2 billion people (and the farmland to feed that to boot) as the RL China is roughly 1.3 billion and has barely enough food to feed itself (it has to import some food actually).

Hi, my country is Arabicia and though it's new to NS, I am not.

I formerly had the country UGSS, and quit playing a while ago and while I know there isn't a way to verify this I assure you I am not new to the Earth rps. I was involved with Earth VI which seems to have died.

Anyway, I would like to see if I would be able to claim part of a country so I could start rping as soon as possible.

Sharina:

I agree with everything you just said.

But I still don't understand how CIA World Factbook figures are accurate for NS nations who developed differently.

[NS]Arabicia: With your past history, I'll grant you the ability to claim one country, and you can RP expansion from there if you want.

Sharina:

I agree with everything you just said.

But I still don't understand how CIA World Factbook figures are accurate for NS nations who developed differently.

[NS]Arabicia: With your past history, I'll grant you the ability to claim one country, and you can RP expansion from there if you want.

Thats what I'd like to try to figure out. I'd like to hear opinions and ideas how to resolve this problem with RL population.

For example, nations who actively promote population growth would have higher population (maybe +10% extra population)... whereas nations who engage in lots of bloody wars (WW-2 style warfare) probably will have like 10% less population from war deaths and casaulties.

Stuff like that.

I would like to inquire to wether or not Iraq south would include Baghdad, or how in general the north south divide was drawn.

I would also like to addto the population issue. While I'm new, this problem is not. On EVI we came to the same issue. We followed the same timeline, but we used our own seperate population matrix. For instance when you conquered land you gained population, and you suffered casualties if you were carpet bombed. Also we went through everyday and updated our own list of populations. I don't know if we could apply the same method here, but I'm just throwing it out there.

Arabicia']I would like to inquire to wether or not Iraq south would include Baghdad, or how in general the north south divide was drawn.

I would also like to addto the population issue. While I'm new, this problem is not. On EVI we came to the same issue. We followed the same timeline, but we used our own seperate population matrix. For instance when you conquered land you gained population, and you suffered casualties if you were carpet bombed. Also we went through everyday and updated our own list of populations. I don't know if we could apply the same method here, but I'm just throwing it out there.

I'll tell you how I divided Iraq - I drew a line. :D

And I do not know if Baghdad is included in the southern portion...TG6R?

I will update the map and claims ASAP, with the new confirmations...

The line was drawn as an agreement between my government and Vineyardian officials. North Iraq includes Baghdad.

I would like to claim Saudi Arabia then, if that's okay.

I would advise against Saudi, actually. I've got major military actions planned there in the not too distant future. Oman or Sudan would be a much better option.