NationStates Jolt Archive

Back from visiting Roman ruins in Italy. I couldn't find an Internet café where I was, surprisingly.

Anything important I need to address immediately?

haha! I'm back too :D sort of...

I'm inclined to approve Maryan's entry into Earth V.

In other news, I was just informed that Warta Endor's nation has ceased to exist in NS. Therefore this should remove him from his Earth V claims. Consquently, his lands should be up for grabs.

Braska has until the end of this week (this Sunday) to post, or he loses Brazil and it reverts to unclaimed status.

I'm inclined to approve Maryan's entry into Earth V.

In other news, I was just informed that Warta Endor's nation has ceased to exist in NS. Therefore this should remove him from his Earth V claims. Consquently, his lands should be up for grabs.

Braska has until the end of this week (this Sunday) to post, or he loses Brazil and it reverts to unclaimed status.
It's sad, but I'm still hoping he'll be back sometime, maybe in the summer.

The same must be true for Thyrius, who has Cameroon. Thyrius nation has also ceased to exist in NS. (And also Recolitus, but he has already been removed I think (but he's still on the map).)

I'm getting a message (from my website oabv.com) whenever a nation's xml-feed don't work, so I'm pretty updated on whenever a Earth-V nation ceases to exist. Do you want me to make a post here whenever that happens?

It's sad, but I'm still hoping he'll be back sometime, maybe in the summer.

The same must be true for Thyrius, who has Cameroon. Thyrius nation has also ceased to exist in NS. (And also Recolitus, but he has already been removed I think (but he's still on the map).)

I'm getting a message (from my website oabv.com) whenever a nation's xml-feed don't work, so I'm pretty updated on whenever a Earth-V nation ceases to exist. Do you want me to make a post here whenever that happens?

You can post it here, and send me a TG so I can respond quickly.

My Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519122)

Any suggestions, comments?

thirdgeek is having trouble again, so I couldn't look up my budget. I'm also checking the equipment the Irish Army uses, but I have the strange feeling I'll need to do some buying the coming days :p

Unfortunately, I can't validate your claim - Maryan - but I think your interest will be enough to garner your entry into Earth V. Your claim is also reasonable, so I hope that TG6R will validate it soon.
Yes, I do validate it.

I will make all adjustments today!!!

Sorry to see things go this way, but life must go on.

a note from the map editing office...


I've decided black stripes are a waste of time... [stripes are a waste of time in general...] - instead, I will be labeling all collapsed state with a solid black marcation.

Also I would ask that people allow new players to assume the new territories that have opened in the recent times, considering that there is less land in which to invite new players.

Also all future claims will not be striped - instead they will be completely colored with the conquering country's colors - but this is not an excuse to claim and not do any RP. If you fail to do any RP, your territory will nullified and returned as a non-claimed territory.

ALM would you be so good to make my holdings in South America completely mine that would be great please. Thank you very much.

ALM would you be so good to make my holdings in South America completely mine that would be great please. Thank you very much.

a reminder - this belongs in the map thread...

I haven't been checking it as often, but this week is less strenuous than weeks past, so I should be able to monitor my stuff more often now. But that said, please also submit a link to a post validating your claim as complete. I don't change the status of your claims without tangible proof in my hands.

Also the Second leg of the Tashkent Memorial Tournament will begin very shortly.

Sorry if I haven't been active. School is a real bitch and I started to work on Earth SYAE. So I have to split my minor time with the both of them. Don't worry I should have more time in the coming weeks.

Sorry if I haven't been active. School is a real bitch and I started to work on Earth SYAE. So I have to split my minor time with the both of them. Don't worry I should have more time in the coming weeks.

school bites me too, so don't worry about it.

I don't know, it's been pretty slow lately.

What's happened to EV?

I love time warps :D

God, I hate these time warps.

Okay, something is terribly wrong here. We have been saying this forever, but we really need to get recruiting soon, otherwise this will be dead in a matter of weeks. Everyone has to stay active.

Yeah, it would.

Okay, something is terribly wrong here. We have been saying this forever, but we really need to get recruiting soon, otherwise this will be dead in a matter of weeks. Everyone has to stay active.

I would agree - but I'm on too infrequently to make an active contribution to recruiting...

and it would help if the map reflected the true world atmosphere...

http://www.freewebs.com/ducdesaintlazare/ALMMAP.PNG

hi :)

Hey, P&H

how ya doin

Pretty, good. And yourself?

Not so bad, i did almost trip over all the vacant land tho!!!!! :)

sorry to see CoCo go like that by as they say, que sara sara whatever will be will be (gets all misty eyed) :p

Yeah, people are joining and dropping out within days.

Well it's kinda hard, considering that a bunch of countries control large portions of the world.

what ever do you mean by that rather glib remark Granate. :D

I'd strongly recommend having a premier decree to have a ic conquest moratorium on all future claims [that is all outstanding claims get to continue, but no one gets to add extra countries to their list of growing claims...]. We need to get people back into the spirit - first by finishing that damned war, and secondly by getting people active in other ventures than just war and conflict.

i will support this motion

I support it as well. By the way, ALM. The thread is up so you can follow it as you please.

You know my position. After Turkey, I am done for possibly the rest of this earth's life in additional claims.

I'd strongly recommend having a premier decree to have a ic conquest moratorium on all future claims [that is all outstanding claims get to continue, but no one gets to add extra countries to their list of growing claims...]. We need to get people back into the spirit - first by finishing that damned war, and secondly by getting people active in other ventures than just war and conflict.
I copy your statement one hundred %, ALM!

I can just talk for myself, but I think this damned war is going way to slow. Are we just too realistic? It is three months since it "started" and it's barely started anyway, if you understand me...

I copy your statement one hundred %, ALM!

I can just talk for myself, but I think this damned war is going way to slow. Are we just too realistic? It is three months since it "started" and it's barely started anyway, if you understand me...

This is exactly why I'm pushing like crazy to have this war finished ASAP.

I have officially made a mod decree in the war thread that both parties will have to accept the refree's decisions regarding losses and damage to the nation (factories, airfields, shipyards, etc. which might be the victims of bombing strikes and such.)

I want Earth V to get back to normal RP'ing activity, and I think several players have been waiting forever to start their own RP's and do RP's without having to put them on hold because of the war.

Braska has repeatedly stated that he is waiting for the war to finish up so that he can RP rebuilding South America as Brazil or something to that effect. I'm sure plenty of other people want the war to finish ASAP, like Military Command (so he can acquire England), Granate and ALM (for civilian and non-war RP's), and probably the newcomers who come in here and feel stuck in RP because of the war. I'm pretty sure that once the war finishes, Braska and others will come back in full force and RP here and everything.

If the war continues to be held up for one more RL month, I'm going to take another drastic measure, but what, I'm not sure yet. We can't let Earth V die because of the bickering and complaining over losses and such in the American War thing.

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Aside from the war, I'm only going to expand to get Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana as they were an unresolved RP storyline owing to the demise of Nuevo Rico, Coco the Silly Monkey, and Military Command's abandoning his American claims. As some of you may remember, I sent in agents, spies, saboteurs, propgandists, and such to try to turn Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana aganist the CSA. I'd like to tie up that storyline once the American war is finished.

Other than Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and any new American land gained from the America War, I have no interest in any further expansion for a while. Recall that my nation is adopting the Monroe Doctrine big time, meaning I'm not about to claim or expand lands in Europe, Africa, Asia, or the western half of the Pacific. I will most likely work with Braska and any new American players to develop the Americas, and block off any more European neo-colonialism or expansion in the Americas.

No more landgrabs am i correct?:D

No more landgrabs am i correct?:D

At least until more people join for longer than a week.

At least until more people join for longer than a week.

and claim countries bigger then Ireland that aren't worth jack shit. :headbang:

If, only the nations coming in were out for a landgrab maybe then we have more people staying.

In the last month we have lost 3 major players. A large part of the Asian landmass is now open for claim by new players. It's time to start a new recruitment drive or at the rate were going Earth V will be dead within a few months.

I agree with UE. I think the main point we need to get across is that

A) You can choose a large claim
and
B) Even though most of the modern nations have been claimed, it is still possible to do something with 3rd world nations. Just look at me. I have shithole west africa but I am still able to have fun with it.

Yobboland is interested verrrrrrrry interested...:)

May i snatch australia? I could have a probationary period if you like..

Hmmm whats up with Brink man, he needs to get off, rest assured I have no interest in his territories, and Those little pacific islands really do add up for a nice new nation to play as, (I.e New Zealand, fiji.) and whe should reserve these for new players respectively..

Now i cant imagine a brutal facist dictatorship ever seizing power in N.Z can you? and anyone who creaets this sort of pretext of claiming is out of their minds... The rest of the pacific is relatively peaceful and even combined would hardly provide a menace for world stability...

What i am basically saying is, Earth V has some intelligent and reasonable R.pers and I would believe these pacific nations would be kept safe for new players. e.t.c. so we need to be pro active (oh the irony i know:) ) and mention these facts to brink.....

Your basically in or out buddy, Finito:(

Att: Sharina
The nation of Public Enemastan does no longer exist on NationStates...

- Asian China to Earth-V!
- Please come in!
- Well, I just would like to tell you that I'm sorry that I've been abscent, but RL has been really hectic.
I was sure that the war should've ended now, but it hasn't made any progres...
But since I'm here now, I could as well RP a bit.

Att: Sharina
The nation of Public Enemastan does no longer exist on NationStates...

Thanks for the heads up, Kopparbergs.

Public Enemastan is officially "out" of Earth V until he revives his nation and still wants to participate in Earth V.

I apologize for my somewhat absence lately. The Diaspora RP has been taking up quite a bit of my time, and it continues to have some problems so it may take another week of the community ironing out the problems before the RP stabilizes and thus I'll be able to get back into Earth V RP'ing.

Thanks for the heads up, Kopparbergs.

Public Enemastan is officially "out" of Earth V until he revives his nation and still wants to participate in Earth V.

I apologize for my somewhat absence lately. The Diaspora RP has been taking up quite a bit of my time, and it continues to have some problems so it may take another week of the community ironing out the problems before the RP stabilizes and thus I'll be able to get back into Earth V RP'ing.

I will make the edits

Season 2 World Cup Qualifiers begin this Monday - if anyone does not yet know, Kopparbergs-Middle East will be the seat of this Season's World Cup, and while we have lost a significant number of people to attrition among many things, I'm hoping that this sort of thing will draw people back to this RP.

I have 30 teams entering the tournament this Season, compared to 29 last Season - and I'll probably run the Cup similar to last season. So I encourage everyone to pay attention to the upcoming World Cup Qualifiers, which will have their own thread [followed by the World Cup itself]. Please make this something worthwhile.

As to the people involved in the War of the Americas RP, I have not forgotten about you. I just haven't checked the thread yet, because I wanted to resolve this first before moving onto that field. I'm hoping that we can make some progress there.

:p sure

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520452

World Cup II is in set for operation.

Hey, ALM. On Operation: Scorpion's Sting, my vessel is waiting for permission to pass through the Suez Canal. I hope they are allowed through otherwise it's around the ass of Africa for them :) By the way, there hasnt been a random event in a while...

Hey, ALM. On Operation: Scorpion's Sting, my vessel is waiting for permission to pass through the Suez Canal. I hope they are allowed through otherwise it's around the ass of Africa for them :) By the way, there hasnt been a random event in a while...

hmmm, show me the thread and let me see...

Hey, ALM. On Operation: Scorpion's Sting, my vessel is waiting for permission to pass through the Suez Canal. I hope they are allowed through otherwise it's around the ass of Africa for them :) By the way, there hasnt been a random event in a while...

Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Power outage

The target nation is...:

United Citizen's Federation

The severity is...:

Medium

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12420727#post12420727

Here's that link, Alif.

Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Power outage

The target nation is...:

United Citizen's Federation

The severity is...:

Medium

Yay for power outages!




Speaking of which:

Maldorians needs to make a post very very very very soon, and I don't have IM with which I can contact him [working on it, once I can trust my computer better...]

I could go for some more Islands right now...

I could go for some more Islands right now...

How many you want? I'm soon going to have a crap load of them when I steal them from Sharina. :p

Don't count your chicks before they hatch.

And I have gotten my beautiful service of AIM back.

How many you want? I'm soon going to have a crap load of them when I steal them from Sharina. :p

Woohoo! Hooray for conquest! By the way, what were you going to throw into Operation Fat Cat at the end? That had me curious. And ALM, did you let my oil tanker through the Suez?

How many you want? I'm soon going to have a crap load of them when I steal them from Sharina. :p

Woohoo! Hooray for conquest! By the way, what were you going to throw into Operation Fat Cat at the end? That had me curious. And ALM, did you let my oil tanker through the Suez?

Heh.

Let see the RUN try to destroy three out of five major Sharinan naval task forces (3 in the East theatre of operations- Caribbean + Atlantic, and 2 in the Pacific). EACH one of the five major Sharinan task forces is comprised of the following:

2 Iowa class Battleships
4 Montana class Battleships
6 Nimitz Supercarriers
20 AEGIS cruisers
40 Arleigh Burke destroyers
100 ships of varying classes (resupply, troop transports, refuelers, salvage, etc.)

For a total (in the Atlantic + Carribean alone) of 6 Iowa battleships, 12 Montana battleships, 18 Nimitz Supercarriers, 60 AEGIS cruisers, 120 Arleigh Burke destroyers, 300 support ships, plus several dozen attack submarines and SSBN's. Not to mention the large quantities of fighter aircraft, bombers, and cruise missiles I have on hand in the Americas.

So CWAA and / or RUN conquest of the Caribbean shall only be a pipe dream. ;)

Heh.

Let see the RUN try to destroy three out of five major Sharinan naval task forces (3 in the East theatre of operations- Caribbean + Atlantic, and 2 in the Pacific). EACH one of the five major Sharinan task forces is comprised of the following:

2 Iowa class Battleships
4 Montana class Battleships
6 Nimitz Supercarriers
20 AEGIS cruisers
40 Arleigh Burke destroyers
100 ships of varying classes (resupply, troop transports, refuelers, salvage, etc.)

For a total (in the Atlantic + Carribean alone) of 6 Iowa battleships, 12 Montana battleships, 18 Nimitz Supercarriers, 60 AEGIS cruisers, 120 Arleigh Burke destroyers, 300 support ships, plus several dozen attack submarines and SSBN's. Not to mention the large quantities of fighter aircraft, bombers, and cruise missiles I have on hand in the Americas.

So CWAA and / or RUN conquest of the Caribbean shall only be a pipe dream. ;)

You forgot my pretty navy. =)

Don't count your chicks before they hatch.

And I have gotten my beautiful service of AIM back.

I'm not and it's good to hear you be more active again.

Woohoo! Hooray for conquest! By the way, what were you going to throw into Operation Fat Cat at the end? That had me curious. And ALM, did you let my oil tanker through the Suez?

The post is in the works and it will be posted after I get my post up responsing to Sharina.

Heh.

Let see the RUN try to destroy three out of five major Sharinan naval task forces (3 in the East theatre of operations- Caribbean + Atlantic, and 2 in the Pacific).

So CWAA and / or RUN conquest of the Caribbean shall only be a pipe dream. ;)

In due time my friend, in due time. You have no idea on how much of a Hornets nest you disturbed. But, you'll find out soon enough. :D

And now it's time for me to get back to working on that post.

I'm not and it's good to hear you be more active again.



The post is in the works and it will be posted after I get my post up responsing to Sharina.



In due time my friend, in due time. You have no idea on how much of a Hornets nest you disturbed. But, you'll find out soon enough. :D

And now it's time for me to get back to working on that post.

Beautiful you guys!!! The antagonism is building!!!


Now just translate that into the conflict, and we'll be done in no time!!!

I'm not and it's good to hear you be more active again.



The post is in the works and it will be posted after I get my post up responsing to Sharina.



In due time my friend, in due time. You have no idea on how much of a Hornets nest you disturbed. But, you'll find out soon enough. :D

And now it's time for me to get back to working on that post.

I here you obituary thread is going to be good, keep me posted....

I would quite like madagascar when Amsterdam submits:cool: I dont quite know what U.E has been taking, but whateveryou do U.E dont touch those pretty Shiny Nukes!!!! they are only for posterity:D

Hey alif, where exactly in Djibouti is the Emir located? FSWA

I'm sorry for not having done much besides the football arrangement. Today, I have some time in between classes, so I'll try to knock out some other stuff :D...


@ Candistan: Djibouti is a very small place; if you look for the center of the city, where the administration centers are, you'll find him talking with a leading diplomat from TG6R.

@ TG6R and Sharina - about this IC claims moratorium, is it in effect? That is, are player countries restricted from making new claims? If not, please let me know ASAP!

Frickin' A. You guys finally going to stop being idle and duke it out? I was considering leaving EV because of the lack of activity.

:d

Frickin' A. You guys finally going to stop being idle and duke it out? I was considering leaving EV because of the lack of activity.

i think more people share that feeling than has been made known to us.

ooc. Hmmm, I want to do something interesting concerning Scotland at the moment. The only thing that's happening in E5 is the War of the America's, and that's going on a f*cking slow pace...

@ TG6R and Sharina - about this IC claims moratorium, is it in effect? That is, are player countries restricted from making new claims? If not, please let me know ASAP!

The moratorium is particularly directed towards players directly involved in the war. Example of this is the RUN not being allowed to factor in Sweden + Bangledesh for population, budget, economy, and military forces during the war. Ditto for me with Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Haiti, Dominican Republic, and Puerto Rico.

ooc. Hmmm, I want to do something interesting concerning Scotland at the moment. The only thing that's happening in E5 is the War of the America's, and that's going on a f*cking slow pace...
Shoot! Earth-V is in need of some action to survive...

Shoot! Earth-V is in need of some action to survive...

Don't worry, if permitted I can get EarthV in some more action. I was thinking about an assasination of the Irish Prime Minister. Ireland blames it on Scottish supporters of the Celtic Nationalist Party and declares war on Scotland. Might be interesting to fight a war with my mini army :cool:

Don't worry, if permitted I can get EarthV in some more action. I was thinking about an assasination of the Irish Prime Minister. Ireland blames it on Scottish supporters of the Celtic Nationalist Party and declares war on Scotland. Might be interesting to fight a war with my mini army :cool:
...with brilliant German military tactics. ;)

This is going to be fun because with my force in England right now with abilities to expand to Scotland and put down any type of fighting with the backing of the rest of the military in France and the rest of the UCF. So, I would not mind a little conflict to the island because I have made the news about the armed conflict in England has stop and now I am just rebuilding the Government and putting the faith back into them. So I have a big military force in England and the British Military to help.

Hey guys I am back....I have not used NS in a while and will start it back up...

The Scotland / Britain thing = go ahead!

I'm actually curious to see what stuff you guys have cooked up over there. I actually do want to get the RP's rolling again after these delays, and I hope the war will be finished not before too long so that even more players can start RP'ing other stuff (like some RP's I have planned, some RP's UE might have planned, Vineyard, etc.).

...with brilliant German military tactics. ;)

Of course, how could i forget! Perhaps this may be the start of a long career for several crucial characterss in E5 Ireland.

This is going to be fun because with my force in England right now with abilities to expand to Scotland and put down any type of fighting with the backing of the rest of the military in France and the rest of the UCF. So, I would not mind a little conflict to the island because I have made the news about the armed conflict in England has stop and now I am just rebuilding the Government and putting the faith back into them. So I have a big military force in England and the British Military to help.

Hmm, might get interesting. I think I'll approach you first for support etc. You could easily swamp me with 1/10 of your current army, so I don't want to mess with you ;)

The Scotland / Britain thing = go ahead!

I'm actually curious to see what stuff you guys have cooked up over there. I actually do want to get the RP's rolling again after these delays, and I hope the war will be finished not before too long so that even more players can start RP'ing other stuff (like some RP's I have planned, some RP's UE might have planned, Vineyard, etc.).

Yay! I'll get up a thread soon. It'll start with the assasination and then I'll try to get some diplomatic support for my little endeavour...

OOC: Under that the US had plans to invade Iraq before it was done. It was not just done out of the blue it took a reason to do it more then just what happen. Just like a war game or something like that is what I got a hold of. Oh and check your TG too.

TG's checked.

Ireland has adopted the official policy of Neutrality. The only possible conflict she can imagine at the moment is a defensive fight if Ireland is invaded. She wouldn't dream of fighting a war abroad, and never all alone. Mind you, the Irish Army is barely capable of doing such a thing. I doubt if plans would exist. Of course, Officers and personell in their free time mght write a book or plan something, but there's no official warplan or something.

That's why it might be nice for me to invade. The Army is totally unprepared, just got out of a major reorganisation and is still a dwarf compared to your armed forces, or those of Vineyard and Sharina.

The only reason why I will invade Scotland is because there is a strong cnnection between the guy who will kill the PM and Scotland.

TG's checked.

Ireland has adopted the official policy of Neutrality. The only possible conflict she can imagine at the moment is a defensive fight if Ireland is invaded. She wouldn't dream of fighting a war abroad, and never all alone. Mind you, the Irish Army is barely capable of doing such a thing. I doubt if plans would exist. Of course, Officers and personell in their free time mght write a book or plan something, but there's no official warplan or something.

That's why it might be nice for me to invade. The Army is totally unprepared, just got out of a major reorganisation and is still a dwarf compared to your armed forces, or those of Vineyard and Sharina.

The only reason why I will invade Scotland is because there is a strong cnnection between the guy who will kill the PM and Scotland.

Ok then here is what can happen is that you can still play out your murder of your PM and blame it on Scotland and that is fine to invade that nation but just where my forces are and we will both set up a Joint Control of either Glasgow or Edinburgh and work together to find the murders to bring them to justice.

Ok then here is what can happen is that you can still play out your murder of your PM and blame it on Scotland and that is fine to invade that nation but just where my forces are and we will both set up a Joint Control of either Glasgow or Edinburgh and work together to find the murders to bring them to justice.

Cool, I'll launch an invasion in the North of Scotland.

Then Pakistan joins and pwns j00...No, I am serious..:D

Then Pakistan joins and pwns j00...No, I am serious..:D

No. This is serious. Be serious now or I'll find a reason to cross Iran and stop you.

Cool, I'll launch an invasion in the North of Scotland.

Ok then that if fine then.

No. This is serious. Be serious now or I'll find a reason to cross Iran and stop you.

Yea, invade me...And then fail miserably....

Yea, invade me...And then fail miserably....

How? My soldiers are well trained, well armed. Oh and I have an Air-Craft Carrier. I won't even have to invade. Just blow the hell out of you.

Hmm.

When did Maldorians get back in? I remember he was inactive for a while?

How? My soldiers are well trained, well armed. Oh and I have an Air-Craft Carrier. I won't even have to invade. Just blow the hell out of you.

And pass through a soveriegn country? *Iran* Surely, they would not let you just cross to pathetically invade someone...


That is like the US letting Mexican soldiers cross the US and attack Canada...

Hmm.

When did Maldorians get back in? I remember he was inactive for a while?

He seems like he's here to stay now. We should give him another chance.

He seems like he's here to stay now. We should give him another chance.

Thanks!

Hmm.

When did Maldorians get back in? I remember he was inactive for a while?
He just got back a few days ago (he posted so in this thread). However, Maldorians is not on the "Red List" ALM has under the claims list, so Maldorians is still considered as "active."

TGSR, you should hook us up with a random event for this week.

Hmm.

When did Maldorians get back in? I remember he was inactive for a while?

Pardon me for this - he shouldn't be back.

Yay for power outages!




Speaking of which:

Maldorians needs to make a post very very very very soon, and I don't have IM with which I can contact him [working on it, once I can trust my computer better...]

This quote was dated 14MARCH - and even as I had expected a reply to come from him [because I could not get to checking my TGs, IMs, and email - relatively, I still can't...], but ten days later [or somewhere thereabout] I see these posts. I should have revoked the claims a while ago, because while I was pressing action from him, I had seen very little self-evident effort to warrant the claims that he currently has.

I've been very very very very very very merciful in how I've helped him - this is his third try at this - the first time as Pakistan, the second as Belarus, the third as Pakistan and Afghanistan. If Sharina and TG6R are cool with it, I let him keep his claims, but there is one condition that must be satified by Monday next week [02APRIL]:

* He must post at least one post his election RP (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515310) each day [not simply 7 posts, but one post each day until 02APRIL]

* He must post at least 6 lines of solid text or reasonably thereabout, of relevant information, details, and activity that describes the events of the election and its progress.

* He must make an effort to find a resolution to the election - if not resolve - within the time frame, so as to give us a tangible result from his elections.


This is me at the limit of my frustration. Yes, Maldorians - you have a lot of schoolwork, you have quite a bit of other RL stuff to do. But so do the rest of us. I'm not trying to be mean by doing this, but you're really asking to try my [and perhaps everyone else's patience, but mine especially because I've been sticking my head a little far to keep you inside this]; I'm going to try you at your limit.

Personally, this isn't very hard. It's just a little hypocritical on my behalf to ask you to do this when I can't do the same thing. But I think the prime difference would be is that I do make some effort at least once every week to post once here, if not an ooc update, then something icly constructive. Genuinely, you will wait a lot of times when posting IC developments. When you wait too long, you start something new and hope that people follow you. If you wait for people to do something, you might be waiting a while, in which time, we might assume that you've left us.

I'm still willing help, but IM is out of the picture of the moment. So you can't IM me [you could when I posted that comment...] and ask for help trying to RP it out. Ask others or TG me; we will help you, but you can only help yourself do this - I can't log in as Maldorians to post something [because then I'll simply make 'you' give me 'your' territory - and I do want some foreign interactions, because a one state world - however ideal - is boring.

So it's upon you to fix this. I see that you've started working on it; keep working it and we [or maybe it's simply me...] will be satisfied with your participation in Earth V. Do realize that I've been more than accommodating to you, and by convention, I should be ejecting you because I have ejected people for much less in the past, so unless TG6R and Sharina won't accept my proposal - and I wouldn't expect them to do so - you had better count your lucky stars and GIVE US a reason to KEEP YOU.


THAT SAID

I need a poll decision or a final decision by the EV consuls [I forgot the other word and I'm too lazy to look for it] about our participation policy.

I realize that RL is hectic - it's killing me at the moment, because I've got school, NS, clubs, RL, volunteer, and work. I do a great job managing my time, but it's on a strict schedule so when something falls out of tune, everything else falls out of tune, and the first thing I'll give up is NS -out of my daily routine. I hope that most of you are like that too, because then I'd be sad to see what the world is becoming - a sedentary lifestyle stuck behind a plasma screen, idly typing words and feigning an existence that is only real in thought.

So anyway, I'd figure a general rule of thumb - if you don't post for at least two weeks in any EV thread, while posting on other threads, you will be ejected from EV. If you don't post or log in at all within one month [which coincides with the NS termination for non-vacations...], you lose your EV participation. If you say that your going away, you will be reserved until your country disappears from NS [the last statement, being the ultimate determinant in EV participation].

Is this agreeable, or do I need to change it before I adopt this as my policy? I'd normally confine this to the Map thread, but this is important so it stays here.

He just got back a few days ago (he posted so in this thread). However, Maldorians is not on the "Red List" ALM has under the claims list, so Maldorians is still considered as "active."

an error actually - but he was never put on the red list; he should have been on the magenta list though...

hey ALM, could you post the Emir doing something in the Scorpion Sting thread?

hey ALM, could you post the Emir doing something in the Scorpion Sting thread?

replied - I think I'll try a more proactive role. Just to put this into perspective, the Emir's conference is occurring at the same time as this plot. I haven't decided if I want to kill my moderate, pacifist leader in favor of his son, Aziz, who is... well, I don't want to spoil surprises...

On the Maldorians:

I do not see a large another gap between March 14th (the semi-warning date) and March 23th; it is not a long enough to revoke his claims. However, ALM's activity action plan for Maldorians sounds fair, unless there are truly special circumstance he can prove.

As for ALM's policy, I do not see the NS log-in date as a fair test for activity; I personally don't log in on NS that often, preferring to directly go to Jolt. I may be a bit lenient here, but I also feel two weeks should also be the warning date, not the deletion date.

TGSR, you should hook us up with a random event for this week.

Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Earthquake

The target nation is...:

United Autonomous Republic of Central Asia

The severity is...:

Low

I agree with ALM and TGSR's opinions.

Maldorians needs to demostrate actual activity in Earth V, namely continuing his previous RP's. Instead of one-liners and two-liners posts, he needs to RP somewhat more substantially. The majority of us have RP'ed through multiple paragraphs in a single post, which shows our dedication to the RP, and are serious about it instead of doing an half-assed job like an one or two liner post.

Maldorians needs to demostrate that he is interested in Earth V and not "jump ship" to RP elsewhere and forget all about Earth V. Look at me- I've participated in other RP's, like the Diaspora RP (which died out because Galveston Bay cannot RP anymore) and the Fantasy World RP (with Kormanthor and Candistan), yet I make the time to post stuff and participate in Earth V. If I can do that, so can others like Maldorians.

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I'm still considering giving Braska another reprieve- mainly because he stated several times that he has to wait until the American War is over, given that he is practically surrounded by the conflict. He also feels frustrated at the glacial pace of the war resolutions, so I'm pretty sure when the war finishes and moves into the post-war phase, Braska will be much more motivated to participate in Earth V and take active roles in restoring South America.

I will contact him via TG and explain to him the situation and see if he would still be interested in Earth V after the America War is concluded.

OMZ Im back, apparently so is maldorians

excellante

:D :D :D :D :D

We need this war to end pronto if we want EV to survive.

OMZ Im back, apparently so is maldorians

excellante

:D :D :D :D :D

Lol, It are me!

Oh, and UE, am I a member of EATO yet?

What is war good for.....

aside from cronic procrastination...............

I know wars like a chess game but thats in a strategic context only :D

(come on guys that intial promise of an all american war is turning into another "senegal incident" remeber that.... for the love of god will somebody please go to war with someone else:D ( a sort of Arbitration if you will:p )

BTW Im testing A bomb on prince edward island. (Its like the Vesta incident in the 1980s where s. Africa really did blow the $%^& outta the island) ::)

We need this war to end pronto if we want EV to survive.

Oh, I can do that. http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/168/smileah6.gif-[Cue Evil laughing]

But, then if I did that there wouldn't be an Earth V left. Which, sort of defeats the purpose in the first place. But, if you insist-:D [ Cue More Evil Laughing].

Oh, and UE, am I a member of EATO yet?

Azaha [Republic of India] still needs to cast his vote and if he say yes, then your in. I'll send him another telegram letting him know. If, I don't hear back from him in a few days then I will consider you in since MC already voted yes to you joining.

Don't care who joins really.. EV has annoyed me for a while, that no one can get along and of how lethargic it is.

Don't care who joins really.. EV has annoyed me for a while, that no one can get along and of how lethargic it is.
There really aren't that many players that hate one another personally; Earth V's realism objective means the argumentation is bound to happen, however. Just look at all the similies in the last few posts in this thread to see how nice everyone can be. :)

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As for the lethargy, the problem seems to be that everyone seems to want something to happen but doesn't want to make any thing big happen themselves. But once something big does happen, things get moving again for a while (which should happen soon).

http://nstracker.retrogade.com/ And look up Azaha

And it seems mah-boys. I am the single most powerful nation in EV now, once you factor in the EV calculations for NS/RL pop and NS/RL budgets, etc etc.

Now that I have already formalized my attacking forces and such, it is now ALM's responibility to handle the losses and such for the initial round. I'm aware ALM is busy with RL issues, so in case he's too busy to expediently resolve this war, who else would be willing to act as a neutral war mod (and can log-in at least once every two days or so)?

Just looking for alternatives if ALM gets too swamped to handle the war refreeing.

Well, I could do it. Since I retracted my support for either side in this war.

Now that I have already formalized my attacking forces and such, it is now ALM's responibility to handle the losses and such for the initial round. I'm aware ALM is busy with RL issues, so in case he's too busy to expediently resolve this war, who else would be willing to act as a neutral war mod (and can log-in at least once every two days or so)?

Just looking for alternatives if ALM gets too swamped to handle the war refreeing.

At this point, I'd consider looking for more than just one war mod... I hate to admit that I'm not that dependable to rely on battle results. I would still do it, but if someone is willing to be more active and take on the role, I'll gladly shed the duties off. Hopefully, this war will stop getting bogged in OOC comments and get to mostly IC business.

Well, I could do it. Since I retracted my support for either side in this war.

Gotcha. I have to ask though- how well versed are you in military stuff?

Just asking as we need someone who has a reasonable understanding of what US, European, and Third World nation equipment can and can't do, and how well they stack aganist each other, and so forth (mainly to calculate realistic losses). Also there will be tactics that may increase or decrease losses to each side.

I must have missed something, but how exactly did South Africa go from a non-nuclear state to possessing nuclear submarines with missile launch capabilities?

I would say God-Mode.

South African ICCBN Piet Retief.

The neuclear submarine mas approximatly halfway between the South African mainland and the prince edward Islands....

Captain John Sayle did his usual morning inspection around the submarine. he laughed to himself...

the submarine was like a bad metaphor for the seemingly perpetual white oppresssion as many of the black seamen were singing old mine songs as if they were still back working for 11 Rand an hour in the city of gold. whilst the majority of the white crew were on their break

Sayle guessed the close confines of the submarine accentuated the social predicament. not that he cared much.. he had a job to do.... and that was to demonstrate South Africas neuclear prowess.

(and if The president told him to demostrate south africas prowess in the predominantly black coastal town of East London he would do so. the sacry thing is the fact that sayle could just assimilate to his political sorroundings. the under orders assumpiton alwasy took presidence in John Sayles mindset.)

Sayle then said crisply to his Leutenant John Mponzo how far they were toThe Edward islands......

I must have missed something, but how exactly did South Africa go from a non-nuclear state to possessing nuclear submarines with missile launch capabilities?

I'm trying to clean up my files on countries existing in Earth V - and I'm not being a model citizen of Earth V, so I'm looking for help in determining who is not being active enough so we can try to trim off some people.

As far as Braska, I've forgotten to take his name off the list, but as per Sharina's declaration some time ago, his claims are voided - unless he reclaims them in a new post.

As for Maldorians, it's long past the contract agreement, and he's only posted about two days worth of the 7 days. I've given him chances; you've given him chances; I'm at the point where I'm willing to go legalist and bump his claims out and open the territories to new players. But I do realize that the terms I dictated are a bit harsh - even as Maldorians has apparently become more active in other RPs - as Sharina mentioned. Therefore, I've decided on this special instance to leave Maldorians's fate to TG6R and Sharina - whether his recent inactivity is enough to boot or to give him some more time to recover.



As for the new policy that I will implement to keep the claims clean and active, using input from as many people as have offered their opinions, I have decided on the following:

* If you do not post on Earth V within a two week period, and you have logged onto Jolt [not NS - as was assumed erroneously] during the two-week period, you will be listed on the MAGENTA LIST, and you will receive notification via NS TGs about your activity status on Earth V. If after one additional week you do not post on Earth V at all for any reason, you will be placed into the RED LIST and your claims will be removed.

* If you do not log onto Jolt for one month [4 weeks] and your NS account is still functioning, you will be placed onto the MAGENTA LIST, and you will receive notification via NS TGs about your activity status on Earth V. If after one additional week you do not post on Earth V at all for any reason, you will be placed into the RED LIST and your claims will be removed.

* If you state in advance your reasons for future inactivity, you will be placed into the LIME LIST, indicating the dormancy of your state. If in the intervening time your NS account is deleted, your claims will be removed and placed into the RED LIST.

* If your NS account is deleted for any reason, you will be placed into the RED LIST and your claims will be removed.


If TG6R and/Sharina have any objections, suggestions, advice, resentments about any of this, I would be glad to hear them. With their approval, these new activity policies will go into effect, and make this business of noticing who's not here and who is less generic and more just to everyone.

Why did everyone stop RPing?

don't ask me - I'm busy with life

Becoming a Maryland State Trooper is time consuming.

I'm trying to clean up my files on countries existing in Earth V - and I'm not being a model citizen of Earth V, so I'm looking for help in determining who is not being active enough so we can try to trim off some people.

As far as Braska, I've forgotten to take his name off the list, but as per Sharina's declaration some time ago, his claims are voided - unless he reclaims them in a new post.

As for Maldorians, it's long past the contract agreement, and he's only posted about two days worth of the 7 days. I've given him chances; you've given him chances; I'm at the point where I'm willing to go legalist and bump his claims out and open the territories to new players. But I do realize that the terms I dictated are a bit harsh - even as Maldorians has apparently become more active in other RPs - as Sharina mentioned. Therefore, I've decided on this special instance to leave Maldorians's fate to TG6R and Sharina - whether his recent inactivity is enough to boot or to give him some more time to recover.



As for the new policy that I will implement to keep the claims clean and active, using input from as many people as have offered their opinions, I have decided on the following:

* If you do not post on Earth V within a two week period, and you have logged onto Jolt [not NS - as was assumed erroneously] during the two-week period, you will be listed on the MAGENTA LIST, and you will receive notification via NS TGs about your activity status on Earth V. If after one additional week you do not post on Earth V at all for any reason, you will be placed into the RED LIST and your claims will be removed.

* If you do not log onto Jolt for one month [4 weeks] and your NS account is still functioning, you will be placed onto the MAGENTA LIST, and you will receive notification via NS TGs about your activity status on Earth V. If after one additional week you do not post on Earth V at all for any reason, you will be placed into the RED LIST and your claims will be removed.

* If you state in advance your reasons for future inactivity, you will be placed into the LIME LIST, indicating the dormancy of your state. If in the intervening time your NS account is deleted, your claims will be removed and placed into the RED LIST.

* If your NS account is deleted for any reason, you will be placed into the RED LIST and your claims will be removed.


If TG6R and/Sharina have any objections, suggestions, advice, resentments about any of this, I would be glad to hear them. With their approval, these new activity policies will go into effect, and make this business of noticing who's not here and who is less generic and more just to everyone.

You have my approval. Although, I would like to add one extra week for each category just to be on the safe side (some people might end up going away on vacations and such).

Although the rule should be even more strictly enforced aganist the RP'er in question if he/she is participating in other RP's on Jolt and not even bother with Earth V. Even if Earth V seems "slow" right now RP-wise, the player should at least post and let us know he/she is still interested, or wants to put forth a RP idea for Earth V or what have you.

As long as there's an appeal process directly to a premier as a last resort option, I have no objections to the plan.

Earth V just seems dead to me. I'll finish my Turkey RP, but I don't what else I'll do.

Earth V just seems dead to me. I'll finish my Turkey RP, but I don't what else I'll do.

This is exactly why I'm trying to prod those involved in the America war to finish it ASAP so that we can explore new RP ideas.

I find it funny though- practically every player-VS-player war in Earth V ends up dying out, stangates, or stalls indefinitely. This is kinda frustrating since we do need player-VS-player conflict to make Earth V interesting. Maybe not always war, but some other of player-VS-player conflict included as well.

I'm asking OOCly here if any of the participants in this seemingly endless war would like to end it with a peace conference in the Monocracy. My nation is personally getting a bit tired of this war.

I'm asking OOCly here if any of the participants in this seemingly endless war would like to end it with a peace conference in the Monocracy. My nation is personally getting a bit tired of this war.

OOC'ly I want this war to finish ASAP so that other RP's can take place, and Earth V can resume its activity level.

IC'ly my nation won't settle for peace until every last Republic of United Nations man, woman, and child is removed from South America (meaning Venzeula, Windward Islands, Paraguay, Uruguay, and Argentina). Sharina has reached the end of its patience, especially with the Vineyardian sneak attack- although Sharina does not know Vineyard did it IC'ly- and the Republic's actions (expanding, terrorism in Caymans as far as Sharina knows IC'ly, pressuring and subverting Paraguay and Uruguay, etc.).

Again, I'm trying like hell to keep IC and OOC feelings, beliefs, knowledge, and viewpoints seperate- and avoiding metagaming as much as possible.

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I'm also frustrated at the fact that every time players enter into a war with another player, the war ends up flopping, retconned, ignored, or die out.

UFSR cold war with FOAM = kinda flopped.

Sharina versus Fodmodmatol = retconned / ignored.

Vineyard war with FOAM = retconned.

Vineyard war with Doomingsland = retconned / ignored.

The Americas war = about to die out.



The only wars that seem to prosper RP-wise are one-sided wars, meaning players going to war aganist NPC's, unclaimed lands, or their own factions (terrorists, civil wars, Cult of Barney, etc.)

See my frustration? I want to have a good conflict, but every time a good player-vs-player conflict arises, it dies out or gets retconned. I'm refusing to let the Americas war be retconned, because then what point will there be to player-vs-player conflict if we go "uhh, if it's not going my way, lets retcon it!" or "Arguing over losses? Lets forget it!" or so forth.

This and Fantasy World are the only two RP's I'm involved in NS, because to put it frankly, 99.9999% of NS RP's are plain and utter crap. Players either don't know how to RP well ("OMG! I launch 1098379872 n00ks at j00, n00b!!11111!!!!"), have low level reading and writing skills (like these 1 liner / 1 paragraph RP n00bs), arrogant tech + number wankers (slapping me or other players with technobabble that would make even 'Star Trek: Voyager' tech-fanboys cry), or conflict RP's with no substance or story development at all (RP's that RP for the sake of explosions, pyrotechnics, destroying stuff, and "oohh! M1A1 Abrams versus T-95 tank combat!").

If Earth V and Fantasy World RP's die out, I'm pretty much finished with NS RP'ing.

(end rant)

Speaking of Fantasy World, Zharoff and his crew are waiting for your next post.

It has been six days since Sharina's request for a loss report in the war. Why is there such a delay?

If ALM is too busy to do it, then we're going to have to get another war moderator for this war.

It has been six days since Sharina's request for a loss report in the war. Why is there such a delay?

If ALM is too busy to do it, then we're going to have to get another war moderator for this war.

The delay is RL - sorry about it.

I've actually just posted the same thing in the OOC thread, because if they keep waiting for me, this RP is going to be dead soon.

:D (ah glorious ambuigity)

QUOTE=Alif Laam Miim;12493505]I must have missed something, but how exactly did South Africa go from a non-nuclear state to possessing nuclear submarines with missile launch capabilities?[/QUOTE]

Since my 10 day absence LOL :cool: (that and im magic)

BTW its a feasible concept IMIIM but if you proove to me otherwise I will retract my IC statement.

check your sources for the "vesta" incident. (a neuclear explosion on the prince edward islands which was either perpitrated by apartheid south africa or isreal (doubtful))

Simple logic..... hmmmmm lets take advantage of the ongoing proliferation of war by the superpowers (by proxy or otherwise) and protect our racist state by purchasing (ironically some sources were procured from the french republic) by having the means to develop Nuclear armaments.

South Africas Neuclear arsenal in RL was (metaphorically speaking) held together with sticky tape in moms basement. but they showed it could be done .

My South Africa is larger and still maintains relatively strong international relations (Being a memvber of both the Africa pact and FOAM) and woukld not want to "compromise" her relationship by heralding in Neuclear armeggedon on a certain nation.

Thats my opinion however and as i said before i will happily retract I.C if not appropriate.)

preferably I would like to keep my I.C and elaborate on neuclear development, what do you guys suggest????

QUOTE=Alif Laam Miim;12493505]I must have missed something, but how exactly did South Africa go from a non-nuclear state to possessing nuclear submarines with missile launch capabilities?

Since my 10 day absence LOL :cool: (that and im magic)

BTW its a feasible concept IMIIM but if you proove to me otherwise I will retract my IC statement.

check your sources for the "vesta" incident. (a neuclear explosion on the prince edward islands which was either perpitrated by apartheid south africa or isreal (doubtful))

Simple logic..... hmmmmm lets take advantage of the ongoing proliferation of war by the superpowers (by proxy or otherwise) and protect our racist state by purchasing (ironically some sources were procured from the french republic) by having the means to develop Nuclear armaments.

South Africas Neuclear arsenal in RL was (metaphorically speaking) held together with sticky tape in moms basement. but they showed it could be done .

My South Africa is larger and still maintains relatively strong international relations (Being a memvber of both the Africa pact and FOAM) and woukld not want to "compromise" her relationship by heralding in Neuclear armeggedon on a certain nation.

Thats my opinion however and as i said before i will happily retract I.C if not appropriate.)

preferably I would like to keep my I.C and elaborate on neuclear development, what do you guys suggest????

I would like you to develop your nuclear weapons from whatever mamas basement :D you're getting these weapons from and then posting your development of nuclear submarines that have launch capability. ICly, I don't like the RUN having nukes, but I love the fact that UE at least did us the courtesy of RPing it out.

I would like you to develop your nuclear weapons from whatever mamas basement :D you're getting these weapons from and then posting your development of nuclear submarines that have launch capability. ICly, I don't like the RUN having nukes, but I love the fact that UE at least did us the courtesy of RPing it out.

Three things...

1. Thank you ALM for fixing his post, people really need to learn to use a spell checker.

2. Everything must be roleplayed or it does not count.

3. I didn't develop Nuclear Submarines, so P&H could take the route I took and buy them from powers that do produce them. The ability to operate and produce them I acquired from nations of Earth V. Even one of my diesel subs I bought from any outside power. The Type 214s I use I acquired with permission from TGSR. However, again all that had to be roleplayed.

Three things...

1. Thank you ALM for fixing his post, people really need to learn to use a spell checker.

2. Everything must be roleplayed or it does not count.

3. I didn't develop Nuclear Submarines, so P&H could take the route I took and buy them from powers that do produce them. The ability to operate and produce them I acquired from nations of Earth V. Even one of my diesel subs I bought from any outside power. The Type 214s I use I acquired with permission from TGSR. However, again all that had to be roleplayed.

Yes, my aquisistion of a State of the art Fighter, Air-craft carrier, and Main Battle Tank were all RPed. I may rp developement of a Caucasus Main Battle Tank, it won't be as good as the Merkava, but it'll be based off of it.

Hey guys! Im back!

What have I missed?

Hey guys! Im back!

What have I missed?

Nothing. Really, nothing.

I would like you to develop your nuclear weapons from whatever mamas basement :D you're getting these weapons from and then posting your development of nuclear submarines that have launch capability. ICly, I don't like the RUN having nukes, but I love the fact that UE at least did us the courtesy of RPing it out.

South Africa undertook a nuclear weapons program in the 1970s and may have conducted a nuclear test over the Atlantic in 1979. It has since renounced its nuclear program and, after destroying its small nuclear arsenal, signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 1991. It is the only African country to have successfully developed nuclear weapons.

Quoted from this source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_africa#Military

I think this is where P+H is coming from, regarding South Africa having nukes. They actually did have nukes in RL, but gave them up (and only nuclear power to voluntarily give up that capability so far in RL history).

Yeah, P&H, you didn't miss anything at all.

okies consider my nuke R.p null and vois untill I create R.P.

18 hours ago: The Republican Republic of Great Romeo now sits in Lazarus, but the fix didn't work. Sorry.
18 hours ago: The Republican Republic of Great Romeo was deleted to try to fix something, not for rulebreaking.
Unfortunately, it looks like GR is going to be stuck as Frigidaqua for a long time...

Unfortunately, it looks like GR is going to be stuck as Frigidaqua for a long time...

Well, hopefully, it gets into a better condition for him.

Who's still here?

I'm here.

Back from vacation...

At Ali Laam Miim...I am sorry, but you, my friend, are extremely unfair...You cannot say that I was active any RP's because I wasn't...Show me proof that I was in it...

Warning: Right now, we are entering the busy stretch of the academic year for me, GR, and Vineyard, which means activity on Earth V will be affected until around early June.

However, I do (and will continue to) frequently read any new posts, although I may not reply.

Activity check

Anyone that is active: Please post so here in a timely manner (one week), or risk being marked as inactive. GR, Sharina, Vineyard, UE, TGSR, Candistan, P&H, and ALM are exempt from this since they all posted something recently. In other words: Maryan, the Central African Federation [Buristan], Braska, Asian China, Maldorians, UARCA [Samtonia], and Kopparbergs must confirm their current status here.

(Feel free to send members telegram alerts to communicate this, but I do not have time at the moment to do so myself. I am doing the activity this way, since there has not been enough happening to warrant a last post time on Earth V activity check.)

We need to reorganize the list of active members.

Anyone that is active: Please post so here in a timely manner (one week), or risk being marked as inactive. GR, Sharina, Vineyard, UE, TGSR, Candistan, P&H, and ALM are exempt from this since they all posted something recently. In other words: Maryan,
the Central African Federation [Buristan], Braska, Asian China, Maldorians, UARCA [Samtonia], Indian Republic [Azaha], Kopparbergs, and the United Citizen's Federation [Military Command] must confirm their current status here.

(Feel free to send members telegram alerts to communicate this, but I do not have time at the moment to do so myself.)

If you have not been watching my post of the English and Scottish Invasions then you have not seen anything then. I have posted to that at least three time this week. I have not seen anything else going on so I have just been posting my advancement in to Scotland and other areas.

If you have not been watching my post of the English and Scottish Invasions then you have not seen anything then. I have posted to that at least three time this week. I have not seen anything else going on so I have just been posting my advancement in to Scotland and other areas.
Indeed, it was not in my subscription list. I thought you were active anyway when I was making the list, but I just wanted to check.

Indeed, it was not in my subscription list. I thought you were active anyway when I was making the list, but I just wanted to check.

That is ok.

Present.

Aye.

I share much empathy with TGSR as I have exams up to the proverbials also.... :)

Just to let everyone know, Kopparbergs nation has been deleted.

So, unless he comes back very soon and has his nation undeleted. It looks like Earth V will loose another member. I leave it to TRSR and Sharina as to decide what they want to do with his land. Whatever they decided, it looks as if Earth V has just about reached the end of it's life until either the remaining members become more active or new blood is introduced.

Now, for a moment of silence to mourn his loss. :(

*Mourns with UE*

hey i would love to join...how much nations are still left though including ones about to be deleted

Looks like these nations are free so Hong Kong, North Korea, South Korea

Looks like these nations are free so Hong Kong, North Korea, South Korea

Actually, none of those nations are open. The front page of this thread that list what nations are open and closed is seriously out of date.

See these links to get a better idea of what is open to you.

1. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109

2. Specially, this map. Do Note: All the pink land is what was owned by Kopparbergs. Since he has left, his lands may be open to claim. (http://www.freewebs.com/ducdesaintlazare/ALMMAP.PNG)

If you think nothing is going on, then you would be wrong (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514327).

Also: Maryan, the Central African Federation [Buristan], Braska, Asian China (which currently does not exist), Maldorians, UARCA [Samtonia], and Kopparbergs (which currently does not exist) must confirm their current status in this thread, or risk being deleted this week. I have sent them all warning telegrams.

Well then let me take a pick at The rest of the US as the CSA, i think that will be alot of fun to RP as

Well then let me take a pick at The rest of the US as the CSA, i think that will be alot of fun to RP as
The entire CSA would be too far beyond the claim limits. The current limit is nations is three nations (which equals six normal US states on Earth V, while Texas is equal to one nation).

Of course, you are welcome to expand via RP after joining.

If anyone would like to play a RP of the fall of the North Korea to the forces of South Korean, Japanese and Russian Forces that would be great. I am going to be ending my RP for Scotland and England.

The entire CSA would be too far beyond the claim limits. The current limit is nations is three nations (which equals six normal US states on Earth V, while Texas is equal to one nation).

Of course, you are welcome to expand via RP after joining.

I was going off what nations were already there i saw the whole CSA as a nation, so i thought i would pick up were it left off, but w/e..

If anyone would like to play a RP of the fall of the North Korea to the forces of South Korean, Japanese and Russian Forces that would be great. I am going to be ending my RP for Scotland and England.

Wait two weeks and you'll have your wishes desire.

If you think nothing is going on, then you would be wrong (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514327).

Also: Maryan, the Central African Federation [Buristan], Braska, Asian China (which currently does not exist), Maldorians, UARCA [Samtonia], and Kopparbergs (which currently does not exist) must confirm their current status in this thread, or risk being deleted this week. I have sent them all warning telegrams.
These nations have exactly one day to respond, before they are removed from Earth V.

could i get a link of what i can grab again please?

could i get a link of what i can grab again please?
Right here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109).

Now im prolly wrong but i belive indonesia is open...or am i wrong? Is that too large of a claim?


or i can just take Democratic People's Republic of Indochina [H-Town Tejas]: Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam

I'll just start up were he left off if need be.

If i can use H-Towns nation, dose he already have a factbook writen?

Hello?

If i can use H-Towns nation, dose he already have a factbook writen?
You could use H-Town Tejas's former land on Earth V, but you would have to RP a new government (although you use part of H-Town Teja's history and/or other stuff, as he probably did have a factbook, but I cannot find it at the moment).

Welcome to Earth V, if you decide to accept Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam as your claim. :)

You could use H-Town Tejas's former land on Earth V, but you would have to RP a new government (although you use part of H-Town Teja's history and/or other stuff, as he probably did have a factbook, but I cannot find it at the moment).

Welcome to Earth V, if you decide to accept Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam as your claim. :)



Awsome, and thanks. Im going to try to find that factbook...

If anyone would like to play a RP of the fall of the North Korea to the forces of South Korean, Japanese and Russian Forces that would be great. I am going to be ending my RP for Scotland and England.

Wait two weeks and you'll have your wishes desire.

If, you don't feel like waiting two weeks, I have some free time. If, you interested contact me and we can work out the details. For now, it looks like the unnamed war has come to an end without even hardly gotten started. Hopefully, once the remaining players become more active the war will start up again and we can finish it(depending on how long it takes).

Once, those other nations on the red list are officially kicked from Earth V. I'll update the Earth V factbook I created. In the meantime, I'll be starting up again my Swedish and Bangladesh roleplays that have been sadly neglected for the past few months.

Maryan, the Central African Federation [Buristan], Braska, Asian China, Maldorians, UARCA [Samtonia], and Kopparbergs are now officially removed from Earth V. (Not a single player responded to my telegrams, which is a bit strange.)

I'm still here.

Can I claim Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia?

If, you don't feel like waiting two weeks, I have some free time. If, you interested contact me and we can work out the details. For now, it looks like the unnamed war has come to an end without even hardly gotten started. Hopefully, once the remaining players become more active the war will start up again and we can finish it(depending on how long it takes).

Once, those other nations on the red list are officially kicked from Earth V. I'll update the Earth V factbook I created. In the meantime, I'll be starting up again my Swedish and Bangladesh roleplays that have been sadly neglected for the past few months.

UE I will start something up so if you would like to either use some force on my side and then you could also play the DPKA too that would be great.

Can I claim Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia?
Not until you establish more of an RP history on NationStates...

:)

Not until you establish more of an RP history on NationStates...

Oh, okay. I'll come back later then.

UE I will start something up so if you would like to either use some force on my side and then you could also play the DPKA too that would be great.

OK, if it's all the same to you I'm just going to roleplay the DPRK (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea).. For one, roleplaying as both your forces and the DPRK would be sort of a god mod. And two, roleplaying both would be a headache and if I did both then it would sort of be my roleplay and since I have no wish nor desire to claim Korea for the best I'm just going to roleplay the Korea Government and it's army (which should be a pushover for you, but don't worry I give you some headaches.) A million man army will do that.

Also, to keep things simple and avoid the need for a moderator. I'm going to for the most part leave out making declared statements on losses and only throwing in what losses I have suffered(you have inflicted) if it adds to the roleplay. Other then that, I'll be leaving it out.

Let me know when you get the roleplay started (thread up) and I post a beginning reply for you to figure out what course of action you want to pursue. Military, diplomatic, economical so on...

OK, if it's all the same to you I'm just going to roleplay the DPRK (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea).. For one, roleplaying as both your forces and the DPRK would be sort of a god mod. And two, roleplaying both would be a headache and if I did both then it would sort of be my roleplay and since I have no wish nor desire to claim Korea for the best I'm just going to roleplay the Korea Government and it's army (which should be a pushover for you, but don't worry I give you some headaches.) A million man army will do that.

Also, to keep things simple and avoid the need for a moderator. I'm going to for the most part leave out making declared statements on losses and only throwing in what losses I have suffered(you have inflicted) if it adds to the roleplay. Other then that, I'll be leaving it out.

Let me know when you get the roleplay started (thread up) and I post a beginning reply for you to figure out what course of action you want to pursue. Military, diplomatic, economical so on...

I have made a statement in the E5 IC about an attack by the DPRK on the ROK. I will make the thread up on too.

I have made a statement in the E5 IC about an attack by the DPRK on the ROK. I will make the thread up on too.

Works for me. Also, I have done some reading up on the DPRK's Armed Forces. You know, how much equipment they have, where it is deployed, what their manpower is so on and so on... So, since Kom*spelling never really changed much during his time as Korea-I'm going to play it as though he was never really in charge. You know, play North Korea as it stands today minus a different government that has taken power.

Anyway, I'll have a reply up ASAP.

Works for me. Also, I have done some reading up on the DPRK's Armed Forces. You know, how much equipment they have, where it is deployed, what their manpower is so on and so on... So, since Kom*spelling never really changed much during his time as Korea-I'm going to play it as though he was never really in charge. You know, play North Korea as it stands today minus a different government that has taken power.

Anyway, I'll have a reply up ASAP.

Here is the thread link. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=527272

I'm open for Summer Vacation!!!

I'll be updating stuff sometime soon. I'm still personally doing a moratorium of conquests, pending the decisions about what to do about the War of the Americas [seems the general consensus is to boot the whole thing... not the greatest precedent to settle]. I'm somewhat distraught that my allies in Israel had to debark from this RP, along with a larger host of other active people.

So, as far as I have seen, these people will be removed from Earth V:

Central African Federation [Buristan], Braska, Asian China, Maldorians, UARCA [Samtonia], and Kopparbergs

Here is the thread link. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=527272

It's now in the Reference Thread...

If Candistan makes any posts in the coming days, there may be a change of status in the Emirate.

I am waiting for another war to occur before I fully get back into EV.

I want to see if all wars will be the "I send 100 men at your 50 defenders, so lets wait to see what the war mod sais, then we bitch at each other and the war mod to see what happens, so it takes a week for one event to occur."

If the next war is like that, I am out of EV.

Any updates with the Vineyard-UE war? It needs to get resolved soon; wars shouldn't pause for years at a time.

Any updates with the Vineyard-UE war? It needs to get resolved soon; wars shouldn't pause for years at a time.

You want my opinion, ret-con it so it never happened, because it's not going anywhere.

Hey can i get a update on whats going on, anything that i would be interested in(as in region/ideaology wise)

You want my opinion, ret-con it so it never happened, because it's not going anywhere.
I believe Vineyard thinks that UE would have an unfair advantage if it ended, so I personally would like just like to get it to a fair end as quickly as possible. UE also did not object in his last post on the subject. In fact, he quoted ALM saying, "In my opinion, EV needs some time to breath and let its participants log back on." Now that that has happened, maybe it can be finished soon?

I believe Vineyard thinks UE would have an unfair advantage if it ended, so I personally would like just like to get it to a fair end as quickly as possible. UE also did not object in his last post on the subject. In fact, he quoted ALM saying, "In my opinion, EV needs some time to breath and let its participants log back on." Now that that has happened, maybe it can be finished soon?

If you guys really do want to continue, I'm up to the game.

Hearing Azaha's complaints [valid and true], I'm starting to craft a "war simulation calculator" that calculates the war probabilities and the results of a confrontation with the simple computation of a few factors. It imparts natural advantages to the defense and offense, while remaining also subject to the experience, morale, technological superiority [not really existant to a degree in this world after the massive updates in military hardward], numerical superiority, logistical superiority, and strategic advantages [battle smarts, so to speak]. A lot of it is very concrete, but then there's a lot that's very iffy. Especially the partial items. So I'll try to have a prototype running soon [a wargames scenario?] to test its validities.

Ultimately, I've decided on a system that uses concrete factors, abstract factors, and the most abstract of all - luck [by the roll of a dice, probably a 20-sided dice]. Of course, luck factor only works so far, so if the advantage highly favors one side but the dice don't, I'll manage a way to make the victor's loss severe while the losers will have won something else instead of the victory. It'll be figured out.

Also, since I am working on this, I figured that it would be prudent to get a definite SOP on war [ironic, isnt it?].

I need replies from people ASAP [I understand it if you're busy with RL - I was just done with it]:

UE
Vineyard
Sharina
Great Romeo

- About the War


Candistan

- About Western Sahara


Everyone else

- About football and what we should do about our clearly lacking quantity of people to participate;
- About how to operate war more efficiently so I/anyone else don't have to rummage through as much trouble to help other people make trouble

Also, since I am working on this, I figured that it would be prudent to get a definite SOP on war [ironic, isnt it?].
We definitely do need a SOP on war, which shouldn't be that much of a problem to make. The only real issue is whether a "war mod" or calculated results is mandated for all conflicts.

Guys I can't seem to find my Turkish Operation Thread....

Guys I can't seem to find my Turkish Operation Thread....

allow me to help:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516328

some reason, I must have taken it off the list of active IC threads when I was redoing the threads - I also realize that alot of threads were lost in the transfer between active and inactive threads, so anyone else, please check to see if your active threads are present on the reference thread. Luckily for you, you posted a link in the reference thread.

Even though, at best, I am only semi-competent, have joined before but left, and didn't do too much good when I was here, I would still like to become a participant of this RP once again.

I was thinking, after a good 'claiming' RP of getting Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Taiwan?

Even though, at best, I am only semi-competent, have joined before but left, and didn't do too much good when I was here, I would still like to become a participant of this RP once again.

I was thinking, after a good 'claiming' RP of getting Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Taiwan?

I am willing to allow you to return, but if at all possible in a different name. Why? I am using the name Moorington-Remnant to name your formerTurkish Forces I am currently fighting.

I am willing to allow you to return, but if at all possible in a different name. Why? I am using the name Moorington-Remnant to name your formerTurkish Forces I am currently fighting.

Hm... Sure, I was going to take the name of Austra-Asia anyhow, just because plain old Moorington I've already used here. To have an actual reason not too just re-inforces that decision.

Hm... Sure, I was going to take the name of Austra-Asia anyhow, just because plain old Moorington I've already used here. To have an actual reason not too just re-inforces that decision.

Well, I see no reason why you wouldn't be accepted then.

another face is always welcome.

I need replies from people ASAP :

UE
Vineyard
Sharina
Great Romeo

- About the War

- About how to operate war more efficiently so I/anyone else don't have to rummage through as much trouble to help other people make trouble

:confused: What about the war? I don't know why your asking me as I have no idea what's gone on in relation to the war. Has it been cancelled? Is it still on? Is it still on, but going to be limited? I haven't the faintness idea.

As to how to make the war operate more efficiently, I've been thinking about that and have come up with some ideas. I agree that a SOP needs to be worked out and I think I found a way to get one started without much work. It's just an idea of course and still needs a lot of work.

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We definitely do need a SOP on war, which shouldn't be that much of a problem to make. The only real issue is whether a "war mod" or calculated results is [i]mandated for all conflicts.

That was one of my questions. Are all player vs player wars here on Earth V going to be moderated (I.E. there losses calculated for them) or will players be able to calculate their own losses during certain player vs player wars.

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Even though, at best, I am only semi-competent, have joined before but left, and didn't do too much good when I was here, I would still like to become a participant of this RP once again.

I was thinking, after a good 'claiming' RP of getting Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Taiwan?

I have no problem with Moorington rejoining, however is he/she sure that he/she is going to be able to stay active just not now, but weeks or months from now. That's why Earth V is kind of dying, not enough people are active or in this case staying active. Yes, I understand RL is a *****, but even with RL people should at least be posting once a week and posting more then a sentence or two.

As I have said, I have no problem with more people joining or former Earth V players re-joining. What I have a problem with is them joining, posting for a few days to a month and then nothing which results in them being kicked. If, you check out the thread I created that list the majority of the players Earth V has had. Most of them have done what I just said above. Joined, made a few posts and then nothing.

So, my question is. Moorington are you sure your going to be able to stay active and I can’t stress the BE ACTIVE part enough?

:confused: What about the war? I don't know why your asking me as I have no idea what's gone on in relation to the war. Has it been cancelled? Is it still on? Is it still on, but going to be limited? I haven't the faintness idea.
The are two possible answers:

1. The war ended (the most likely reason being the RUN essentially being "softies" and not retaliating, or it could be retroactively deleted from history).
2. The war is still ongoing.

I personally believe the latter is true, and that all we need to get ended in the near future is UE to accept the losses or for UE and ALM to come to an agreement quick. Either way, UE and ALM still need to come to an agreement, as UE did suffer losses even if the war is finished.

I don't care as far as the war is concerned - I'm not involved directly. I do believe that I was calculating the loss results, although I'm not certain how that ended [or if it ended at all].

I'm not so keen about UE wanting to continue; the question is more directed to the others, seeing as I have yet to see an opinion since the end of finals [for me - I realize that some people still have finals]. I'm also still working on some calculation sheet that will help determine the results.

I'm still here.

Although I haven't posted or RP'ed in a long while. I've heard rumors that some RP types have been banned from NS, and that bothers me. If the group of RP types banned includes ones I enjoy, there goes my RP'ing career in NS.

I'm still here.

Although I haven't posted or RP'ed in a long while. I've heard rumors that some RP types have been banned from NS, and that bothers me. If the group of RP types banned includes ones I enjoy, there goes my RP'ing career in NS.

The rumor is true...and all earths such as this one are banned...R.I.P earth V.

The rumor is true...and all earths such as this one are banned...R.I.P earth V.

Actually Earth V is one of the few not being banned.

Actually Earth V is one of the few not being banned.

o rly? Nice...though i might need to resign just because this would be the only reason for me to be on this fourm

Actually Earth V is one of the few not being banned.

It better not be, given that I've been in Earth V since its inception in late 2004.

Besides, I also heard that the ban also extends to alternate history. The sheer hypocriscy of that bannings is beyond me. When you think about it, NS is essentially a giant alternate history. Every NS nation have to come from somewhere in the RL timeline, let it be BC years, Roman era, Dark Ages, Industrial Age, or 20th century. Communism, Facism, Monarchy, Democracy, Republic, and all the other government types that NS players use all wouldn't exist at all if not for our real life timeline. The ideas / ideals of these governments originate in our real life timeline.

The other major issue is that NS nations are RP'ed as nations with ethnic and cultural identities. Is a NS player RP'ing a nation full of Japanese people? A nation of Zulus? A nation of Slavs? All these ethnic groups exist in our RL timeline, therefore NS nations with, say, 5 billion Japanese citizens or 7 billion Zulus would essentially be an alternate history version of today's Japan or various African nations respectively.

Finally, NS-Earth is impossible to exist realistically. Human life (and any organic life for that matter) would never be able to evolve or live on a Jupiter sized Earth. Consider that Jupiter is 143,000 kilometers diameter, and has a mass roughly 318 times of Earth. Jupiter is a gas giant, and gas generally has far less mass than solids or liquid- so scale up Earth's crust, mantle, and core to Jupiter size and we could see an Jupiter-sized Earth have like 500 to 1000 times the mass of our real life Earth. That's 500 - 1000 G's (1 G = the amount of gravity on Earth). A human weighing 200 pounds on Earth would weigh 10,000 to 20,000 pounds on NS-Earth. Consider this, the standard human body can only withstand 9 G's and thats with a lot of training and experience. 9 G's is pathetic compared to the 500 - 1000 G's figures we're talking about here. Add in all the ecology problems- like how will plants, animals, rain, oceans, erosion, geological forces, etc. function in an enviroment with gravity 500 - 1000 times of Earth? Impossible.

Therefore, its far more practical, reasonable, and rational to roleplay on an Earth that is like ours in shape, size, configuration, atmosphere, etc. that doesn't defy all known laws of physics that would make Issac Newton and Albert Einstein roll over in their graves endlessly. This is why I roleplay on Earth's or engage in alternate history roleplays even if its a nation called Sharina that evolved in North America from, say, the Aztec tribe that was never wiped out by Spain, or a Sharina nation comprised of Chinese people that conquered Russia and all of Asia by 1000 AD, allowing for 3+ billion population by 2000 AD, and so on. At least these roleplays make sense.

The point I'm trying to make here is that if this ban is in effect aganist Earth's and alternate history RP's, the mods might as well ban all NS RP's except fantasy and sci-fi RP's. By the logic of that ban, there should be no more Ancient era, Classical / Roman era, Dark Ages, Renassiance era, Industrial era, Modern era, or Post-Modern era RP's anymore in NS.

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I had to get this off my chest, since I joined NS to RP realistic things or make up stories within a realistic and plausible enviroment (parallel universe Earth's with different nations and civilizations for instance). If this ban is enforced and such, and Earth V is banned (I hope not, but logically that non-senical ban should extend to virtually all Earth-like RP's and all modern era RP's except magic-themed ones) then I'm effectively out of NS. No more RP'ing potential for me. No more enjoyable RP's. No more incredible story ideas to share with other people.

In other words... If Earth V = either Banned or Die-Out-From-Inactivity, then I quit Jolt and NS RP'ing in general.

Just giving my 2 cents, thats all.

Considering Earth V does not meet the criteria for banning, there is no reason why anyone on Earth V should be concerned that Earth is in danger of being banned.

Considering Earth V does not meet the criteria for banning, there is no reason why anyone on Earth V should be concerned that Earth is in danger of being banned.

What exactly is the criteria then if you don't mind my asking?

I'm happy Earth V is still around. Otherwise, there's no further reason for me to RP anymore in NS. The problem is that I have to base my NS nation off a real-life nation to keep it realistic and plausible. The ban supposedly refuses to let me do that.

Suppose....

Sharina = A modern era Aztec nation that survived the Spanish invasion in 1500's then grew and expanded into modern USA as of game year 2007.

BAN! Alternate history of the Aztec Empire, thus BAN!

Sharina = A nation formed by China starting in 300 AD. China reunifies and decides to invade what is modern day Japan, Russia, Indochina, and a few other adjacent Asian nations between 300 - 1000 AD. Thus, a population of 5 billion in 2000 AD might be possible.

BAN! Alternate history of China, thus BAN!

And the list goes on and on. The hypocriscy of the ban is astounding, given that I've seen quite a few NS nations RP as being located in Europe, Americas, Africa, Middle East, or Asia (therefore becoming alternate history nations in essence).

See what I mean? Also this is why I'm gone from Jolt and RP'ing in NS if Earth V is either banned or dies out. Quite simply, I have *NO* other options to RP otherwise.

What exactly is the criteria then if you don't mind my asking?

I'm happy Earth V is still around. Otherwise, there's no further reason for me to RP anymore in NS. The problem is that I have to base my NS nation off a real-life nation to keep it realistic and plausible. The ban supposedly refuses to let me do that.

Suppose....

Sharina = A modern era Aztec nation that survived the Spanish invasion in 1500's then grew and expanded into modern USA as of game year 2007.

BAN! Alternate history of the Aztec Empire, thus BAN!

Sharina = A nation formed by China starting in 300 AD. China reunifies and decides to invade what is modern day Japan, Russia, Indochina, and a few other adjacent Asian nations between 300 - 1000 AD. Thus, a population of 5 billion in 2000 AD might be possible.

BAN! Alternate history of China, thus BAN!

And the list goes on and on. The hypocriscy of the ban is astounding, given that I've seen quite a few NS nations RP as being located in Europe, Americas, Africa, Middle East, or Asia (therefore becoming alternate history nations in essence).

See what I mean? Also this is why I'm gone from Jolt and RP'ing in NS if Earth V is either banned or dies out. Quite simply, I have *NO* other options to RP otherwise.
Scolopendra's explanation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528525):

"The entire point of the site is to make your own nation. We don't really mind if it's an alternate-history version of a real place (sort of like how Draka is an alternate-history South Africa), but the idea is you play the roles of your nations, whatever they end up being, not those of arbitrary real-life nations in alternate-history situations."

Scolopendra's explanation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528525):

"The entire point of the site is to make your own nation. We don't really mind if it's an alternate-history version of a real place (sort of like how Draka is an alternate-history South Africa), but the idea is you play the roles of your nations, whatever they end up being, not those of arbitrary real-life nations in alternate-history situations."

To add to that, I know of no "real life" nations called Sharina, RUN or ALM that exist. These are nations we created for ourselves, just like we did when we first joined NS. Each one has a life of it's own and is unique.

So, from what on read on that thread, Earth V is fine.

I understand what TGSR and UE have stated and referenced.

However, this does not change my stance. I will remain on Jolt RP'ing for as long as Earth V exists. Once Earth V goes, then I go. To put simply, I'm certain that many RP ideas I have would probably end up getting banned by the new RP rules. I can't roleplay at all on NS-Earth as its unrealistic and implausible- if you bend the rules to allow for humans and ecosystems to survive in gravity 1000 times of what Earth's gravity is, then it's all downhill from there (meaning humans can survive just fine in rocket sleds on NS-Earth, going from 6000 MPH to 0 MPH in 1 second or vice versa, or other such impossible / improbable things).

Having said what I need to say, I shall still stand by my pledge to stay with Earth V until the day it stops existing as it is the only RP venue I can participate in where I can explore my ideas without fear of banning if what you guys say is true.

I understand what TGSR and UE have stated and referenced.

However, this does not change my stance. I will remain on Jolt RP'ing for as long as Earth V exists. Once Earth V goes, then I go. To put simply, I'm certain that many RP ideas I have would probably end up getting banned by the new RP rules. I can't roleplay at all on NS-Earth as its unrealistic and implausible- if you bend the rules to allow for humans and ecosystems to survive in gravity 1000 times of what Earth's gravity is, then it's all downhill from there (meaning humans can survive just fine in rocket sleds on NS-Earth, going from 6000 MPH to 0 MPH in 1 second or vice versa, or other such impossible / improbable things).

Having said what I need to say, I shall still stand by my pledge to stay with Earth V until the day it stops existing as it is the only RP venue I can participate in where I can explore my ideas without fear of banning if what you guys say is true.

You have no need to worry about an Jupiter or any Gas Giant Earth type planet.

Summary: Using Real Earth geography is fine. Using the shape of Real Earth countries is fine. Using Real Earth populations is fine.-See, you have nothing to worry about at least in relation to Earth V being banned. I'd be more worried about it dying out.

As to the unrealistic and implausible of humans and ecosystems living in high gravity environments, from a scientific point of view that is debatable. Life, has a funny way of flourishing where you least expect it. Hell, we humans prove that by being able to live in space, the other extreme of high gravity. No air, no water and zero gravity and yet we can survive there. It's also been suggested that life may exist on Europa, a moon of Jupiter. See link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_%28moon%29#Exploration_of_Europa) So, if it's ever proven that life does indeed exist on Europa, it would show that life can indeed survive in an intense gravity environment.

That aside, I understand what your saying about humans. Yes, it is highly unlikely humans at this current time could survive in an high G environment and since human life did evolve on Earth it would be kind of strange to roleplay human civilization on say a Venus or Jupiter type world. That, I agree with you 100%.

Hey guys! I am posting here just to let you know that I am retiring from Earth V, even though you guys already said it....:D...I am active now and now extinct...lol

Just confirming it...One question. Kopparsberg *spelling* is out of the RP? I remember when he made that site to keep track of our money....

Good luck on continuing your RP...


-Maldorians

I have a question to ask if I was to start a peace talk about bring the Ireland and Australia back into the British Empire as Dominions of the Commonwealth and maybe Singapore and Hong Kong back to if no one minds.

I have my doubts that EV would be targeted because we don't qualify for using RL countries at all.

And my question still stands for everyone else - is this war continuing or are we burying it? I'd rather not bury it because that's just going to delay another future conflict, but if you guys don't feel up to the mood to start fighting the war again, then there's no reason for me to pick at old wounds.

As for Ireland and Australia - I'd wait on Australia, because we do need more people to join up again. Ireland - you can try, but get someone else to do it for you.

I have my doubts that EV would be targeted because we don't qualify for using RL countries at all.

And my question still stands for everyone else - is this war continuing or are we burying it? I'd rather not bury it because that's just going to delay another future conflict, but if you guys don't feel up to the mood to start fighting the war again, then there's no reason for me to pick at old wounds.

As for Ireland and Australia - I'd wait on Australia, because we do need more people to join up again. Ireland - you can try, but get someone else to do it for you.

Hmm. Personally I'm a bit torn on this.

On one hand, the stall in the America war has put Earth V in danger of dieing out as people want to move on and start their own Earth V RP's.

HOWEVER, on the other hand, if we dismiss this war, then it sets a bad precedent. Every major conflict in Earth V prior to this war has been ret-conned or dismissed because of loggerheads and inability to resolve things. If this war is dismissed, then what point is there to having major player VS player conflicts in the future if people just know that these conflicts will simply end up ret-conned / erased?

Conflict is half of the fun of RP'ing. If we can't have conflicts going on, owing to the percieved inability to resolve them, then half of the RP'ing fun in Earth V for players is gone.

Don't fight wars on the basis of "HAY, A WAR MOD WILL SAY WHO WINS, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE WHO WINS." That's got to be the absolute WORST way to RP, really.

People here need to understand that, you have to compromise. Don't just leave it up to the RP who wins, you need to agree beforehand what is going to happen. Just in general really, yuou don'y have to preplan every shot fired, but you need a basis on which to follow. Really, you shoul dknow who will win(or won't win) a conflict before the first shot is even fired. It isn't about winning here, its about RP. I feel you've all lost touch in that.

So, my question is. Moorington are you sure your going to be able to stay active and I can’t stress the BE ACTIVE part enough?

Yes sir! Someone has too be around to keep alternate history going and not drying up; I'm adding my cent to he fight against in-activity happily!

I kinda loath with the full extent of my being the whole military declerations thread, I tried a couple big wars with numbers but find them to be quite dull, instead I like making it more imaginative than anything else; if I huge war breaks out that just needs me to have a military, I'll make one, or if I'm really bored, I'll make one, but as for now... I'm just going to find other ways to entertain myself.

I like the pre-planning, that works for me. No war mods, kinda of lame.

Don't fight wars on the basis of "HAY, A WAR MOD WILL SAY WHO WINS, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO CHOOSE WHO WINS." That's got to be the absolute WORST way to RP, really.

People here need to understand that, you have to compromise. Don't just leave it up to the RP who wins, you need to agree beforehand what is going to happen. Just in general really, yuou don'y have to preplan every shot fired, but you need a basis on which to follow. Really, you shoul dknow who will win(or won't win) a conflict before the first shot is even fired. It isn't about winning here, its about RP. I feel you've all lost touch in that.

I completely understand and recongize that.

However, the problem with many RP'ers nowadays is that they're afraid to "lose", hence making the pre-plan win / loss idea hard to pull off.

I am looking for someone to RP the Irish Government with asking to rejoin the British Empire under the current regime of the United Citizen's Federation. I am looking for a peaceful rejoining but if a minor conflict is fine as long as only a small band of rebels attack a joint Irish-British Peacekeeping Force.

I completely understand and recongize that.

However, the problem with many RP'ers nowadays is that they're afraid to "lose", hence making the pre-plan win / loss idea hard to pull off.

I think the bigger problem is deciding who has to deal with the complications of losing. There are real IC risks involved with the war, which the biggest reason why I think that the war should go on. The war started naturally because two powerful states decided that it was worthwhile to risk losing everything else to duke it. If we don't have a war, it will still linger and it will become worse the second time it hits.

And yet, preplaning is going to be extremely difficult; it's not a bad idea, but unless UE and/or Sharina are willing to accept defeat is won't work. This is a significant war, and while I don't like its current course, it's going to be difficult to justify wanking it off only to have it come later. That said, I think someone needs to decide now whether they want this war or not, because this is worse than not having the war.

I am looking for someone to RP the Irish Government with asking to rejoin the British Empire under the current regime of the United Citizen's Federation. I am looking for a peaceful rejoining but if a minor conflict is fine as long as only a small band of rebels attack a joint Irish-British Peacekeeping Force.

I'd volunteer, but I think I'll let someone else take the gauntlet; after my involvement with Western Sahara, I doubt anyone would want me to try that again.

Where is Vineyard. We haven't seen him in a while.

I think the bigger problem is deciding who has to deal with the complications of losing. There are real IC risks involved with the war, which the biggest reason why I think that the war should go on. The war started naturally because two powerful states decided that it was worthwhile to risk losing everything else to duke it. If we don't have a war, it will still linger and it will become worse the second time it hits.

And yet, preplanning is going to be extremely difficult; it's not a bad idea, but unless UE and/or Sharina are willing to accept defeat is won't work. This is a significant war, and while I don't like its current course, it's going to be difficult to justify wanking it off only to have it come later. That said, I think someone needs to decide now whether they want this war or not, because this is worse than not having the war.

A few things, 1. I've noticed you all keep calling it a war and seem to be hung up on that it's just between me and Sharina. It's not and which why it's in fact a few wars. To give you a quick recap, before everyone all of sudden disappeared it was ME(the Republic) vs Sharina, Vineyard and to a lesser extent Great Romeo who had pledged his support to Vineyard. So, yes this is indeed a significant war and I agree that to dismiss it like it was nothing would not be a good thing. However, that's the way it seems to be going. So, I agree with ALM in that all players need to get together and decided if they want this war to continue or not. To be or not to be.

2. Player vs Player conflict is needed and I agree with ALM that wanking it off won't get rid of the issues that caused these wars. Sharina-the Republic-and the Vineyard Empire still don't see eye to eye. So one way or another, this war has to come to some type of end. What that end is...

3. We need some type of program (formula) all nations on Earth V have assess to that can calculate the loss rate each party suffers during a given battle. Furthermore, this program (formula) must be able to adapt to different type of inputs that will arise during the various RPs. For example-an attack usually takes more losses then the defender however the attacker can reduce his losses in various ways. Those various ways should be able to be calculated. The same goes for most situations that might arise during the RP.

Now, even for now on if all parties Calculated their own losses (with supervision by a designated war mode) I think we should still have a program (formula) even a limited one to get a rough idea if a persons declared losses are being God Mod in their favor.

4. Finally, I'm not afraid of losing. In fact, by losing you can learn more then winning. That said, if Sharina or any other nation on Earth V can out Roleplay me/Out Maneuver me then I will concede defeat. However, at the place the current wars are at neither Sharina nor Vineyard have out roleplayed me nor out maneuvered me. Neither have I been able to do the same to them. All Parties are still quite capable of carrying on these wars. That is a fact.

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Where is Vineyard. We haven't seen him in a while.

Same goes for Great Romeo. You'd think a person roleplaying a nation as big and powerful as Russia would post more then once(1) a month.

Rumors tell that the two Kingdoms of Kopparbergs will be back on the international scene after a couple of years of isolation very soon.

OOC: I'm asking kindly if I can have my claims back? Or does someone occupy them already?

RL has been really busy the last couple of months, but my summer vacation are starting this Friday, and I'm not planning to go out of town.

And I'm a bit impressed that the so-called America War is still argued about...

(Remember that I (GR) am stuck as Frigidaqua on the Jolt until Jolt grants the mods greater access to Jolt controls, or in other words, eternity. My nation is still working on NS, however.)

My view is that the war should continue; GR is already committed to the war, and is devoting all of its attention to it. We also have the last action post in the war.

Rumors tell that the two Kingdoms of Kopparbergs will be back on the international scene after a couple of years of isolation very soon.

OOC: I'm asking kindly if I can have my claims back? Or does someone occupy them already?

RL has been really busy the last couple of months, but my summer vacation are starting this Friday, and I'm not planning to go out of town.

And I'm a bit impressed that the so-called America War is still argued about...
I'll give you amnesty this time, but you might not be so lucky if there is a next time... :cool:

Looks like the Red Sea Alliance may yet still exist.

And I'm a bit impressed that the so-called America War is still argued about...

There hasn't been any arguing, in fact for the past 2 months there hasn't been much of anything in relation to the American War.

And until, Sharina and/or Vineyard become active again on a regular basis it doesn't look like the war will be moving forward anytime soon.

I think I'm safe in saying the war is dead. However, at least some good did come out of that war.

It showed for sure that Earth V needs a Rules of Engagement[ROE] in how losses are calculated or that for the sake of simplicity each side just be allowed to declare their own losses.

However, since most Earth V players have expressed a desire in a war mod or formula for determining losses. I have been working on such a formula that can be used. Of, course it's in the early stages, but it does show promise.

Anyway, welcome back Kopparbergs.

I'm still here.

Although I can't really do any RP'ing right now since Earth V activity seems to be at an all-time low, and I can't exactly RP something in Earth V right now until this whole ROE / war thing is resolved. I mean I can't RP until I know the outcome of the war, what new developments happen, if there's going to be political, social, or economical changes for the better or worse... and so on.

I can't be assed to RP in mainstream NS or NS Earth because I don't RP in that unrealistic enviroment. Therefore, Earth V appears to be the last RP I'm involved in NS, unless a nice RP group comes along and sets up a good realistic RP project.

Its funny, really. Earth V was the first full scale RP I got fully involved in way back in 2004, instead of refugee missions here and there in other RP's. And it seems like my RP'ing career in NS will end where it all began, Earth V.

Full Circle, wouldn't you say?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511493&page=6 (The last page, if it does not direct there.)

It looks like ALM is supposed to recalculate the losses, since Sharina did not send fighters to Europe. After that, all that's necessary is that UE accepts the losses or tries to come to an agreement with ALM in a short amount of time, then the war can continue.

This war is crucial; it should be finished if possible.

I can't be assed to RP in mainstream NS or NS Earth because I don't RP in that unrealistic enviroment. Therefore, Earth V appears to be the last RP I'm involved in NS, unless a nice RP group comes along and sets up a good realistic RP project.

How about we set up a realistic RP project?

Well, I'm here actually and will likely make my factbook today or such.

I am looking for someone to RP the Irish Government with asking to rejoin the British Empire under the current regime of the United Citizen's Federation. I am looking for a peaceful rejoining but if a minor conflict is fine as long as only a small band of rebels attack a joint Irish-British Peacekeeping Force.

WTF???? is the moratorium over presumably..

Australia would never rejoin britain that sheer notion of that amuses me.. what is your justification? Warta endors Australias was relatively peaceful and prosperous under a psedo communist regime. apart from the bog standard "Abhorrent nation/ land hungryplayer" eyeing australia for its own machiavellian ends (which would be unimaginative to say the least) routine I dont feasibly see this happening..

Draft version:

Earth V Modi Operandi

Diplomacy and international interaction: SIC and IC posts in the RPing thread normally are the best vehicles for such interactions; separate threads for conferences and wars are the main exceptions. However, strategic discussions may be conducted via telegram or other off-site means, only if it involves no secret military deployments or the like (which the player must post in public view so that it is verifiable).

War and military operations (with NPCs):
The player of the nation that wants to conquer another nation shall create a separate thread for this.
The player shall also RP the opposing forces, or have another player RP as the opposing forces. Nations that have been long abandoned are assumed to have the same military power as in real life, while nations that have fallen in a relatively recent amount of time are assumed to have a fractured portion of that nation's military. (A non-military conquest is possible, but must be specially arranged.)
The player must have made a number of clear posts that account for the resistance before claiming control, or recognize that an uprising must happen in the near future.
Anti-”Godmodding” rules are more rigorously applied during wartime.

War and military operations (between/among players):
NPCs are all assumed to be neutral, no matter how large the war is, unless the NPCs are conquered first.
Unless the war is a war between two players who explicitly agree to calculate their own losses in a fair manner and have minimal bickering about calculated losses, the players must designate a war moderator (who determines the result of specific battles, taking into account a set of factors mentioned below through either the looser qualitative formula or the stricter quantitative formula) or agree to have an official Earth V premier or adjudicator (neutral in the conflict) quickly calculate loses after each battle (using the standardized quantitative formula or other methods).
Players need to show preparations to start the war in one or more posts before starting the war.
Anti-”Godmodding” rules are more rigorously applied during wartime.

Formulae

Quantitative: Each side in a battle has a point value; allied forces may either have one large total or separate totals, depending on how closely they attacked/defended (e.g. two nations attacking separate position a couple of miles away would have separately calculated totals, but it would take into account any support, e.g. artillery fire, from allies).

The formula itself: Numerical advantage + weather + geographic advantages + knowledge of terrain + specialized knowledge

Qualitative formula: A written evaluation of each of the quantitative factors, plus any necessary or useful factors for the specific circumstances. A qualitative evaluation is meant to be used when special circumstances of the battle make a quantitative evaluation unjust to one side. The moderator must still show all work in deciding on loses.

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I would like to hear what others think should be included in the formulae and how much weight each factor should have.

Draft version:

Earth V Modi Operandi

Diplomacy and international interaction: SIC and IC posts in the RPing thread normally are the best vehicles for such interactions; separate threads for conferences and wars are the main exceptions. However, strategic discussions may be conducted via telegram or other off-site means, only if it involves no secret military deployments or the like (which the player must post in public view so that it is verifiable).

War and military operations (with NPCs):
The player of the nation that wants to conquer another nation shall create a separate thread for this.
The player shall also RP the opposing forces, or have another player RP as the opposing forces. Nations that have been long abandoned are assumed to have the same military power as in real life, while nations that have fallen in a relatively recent amount of time are assumed to have a fractured portion of that nation's military. (A non-military conquest is possible, but must be specially arranged.)
The player must have made a number of clear posts that account for the resistance before claiming control, or recognize that an uprising must happen in the near future.
Anti-”Godmodding” rules are more rigorously applied during wartime.

War and military operations (between players):
NPCs are all assumed to be neutral, no matter how large the war is, unless they are conquered first.
Unless the war is a war between two nations that explicitly agree to calculate their own losses in a fair manner and have minimal bickering about calculated losses, they nations must designate war moderator (who determines the result of specific battles, taking into account a set of factors mentioned below through either the looser qualitative formula or the stricter quantitative formula) or agree to have an official Earth V premier or adjudicator (neutral in the conflict) quickly calculate loses after each battle using the standardized quantitative formula.
Nations need to prepare to start the war in one or more posts before starting the war.
Anti-”Godmodding” rules are more rigorously applied during wartime.

Formulae

Quantitative: Each side in a battle has a point value; allied forces may either have one large total or separate totals, depending on how closely they attacked/defended (e.g. two nations attacking separate position a couple of miles away would have separately calculated totals, but it would take into account any support, e.g. artillery fire, from allies).

The formula itself: Numerical advantage + weather + geographic advantages + knowledge of terrain + specialized knowledge

Qualitative formula: A written evaluation of each of the quantitative factors, plus any necessary or useful factors for the specific circumstances. A qualitative evaluation is meant to be used when special circumstances of the battle make a quantitative evaluation unjust to one side. The moderator must still show all work in deciding on loses.

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I would like to hear what others think should be included in the formulae and how much weight each factor should have.

I think this is a good starting point.

Although, I think specialized knowledge should reflect tactics, strategy, and experience. A pacifist nation would generally have less experience and skill at conducting warfare as opposed to warmonger nations for instance.

I think this is a good starting point.

Although, I think specialized knowledge should reflect tactics, strategy, and experience. A pacifist nation would generally have less experience and skill at conducting warfare as opposed to warmonger nations for instance.

True, but how many of those do we have in Earth V?

Apart from you, none!!!!! :D ( I do realise your sarcasm btw)Seriously though I hate to point out the bloody obvious but we need more recruits here, hell even some puppets states will do.... This is a good Earth with good participants (relatively speaking of course)

(Bloody pacifists;))

A few things from me:

1 - I'm sorry that I was away without much notice. I got slammed with summer work and haven't had the time to get on the internet much, save to check my NS account.

2 - I'm terribly sorry that I already put away Kopparbergs stuff, but I'm glad that the protectorship over his territories is now over, so if you want to invade him, now is the best time :D. Otherwise, it's great to see you back! I suppose we'll have to discuss what we did to the RSA in lieu of your absence.

3 - I was thinking about making a war calculator that was a little more complex than what TG6R is proposing, but if everyone is willing to work with it, I think it's a better programme, just as long as we can account for the qualitative and quantitive factors equally fairly [that is, no one has qualms about the weights...].

4 - The moratorium was never really applied, except in relationship to the War. I wanted a moratorium for all players, but TG6R never confirmed that and Sharina stated that it was only necessary for those participating in the war. In any case, I'm still holding my personal moratorium until I can resettle things in a better light [and whatever happens in the War finishes out...].

Hopefully, I can return to more active participation, so bare with me. I see that Moorington has returned so I'll add his claims to the list [as well as Kopparbergs].

Even though, at best, I am only semi-competent, have joined before but left, and didn't do too much good when I was here, I would still like to become a participant of this RP once again.

I was thinking, after a good 'claiming' RP of getting Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Taiwan?

A question regarding Moorington, is this still underway?

2 - I'm terribly sorry that I already put away Kopparbergs stuff, but I'm glad that the protectorship over his territories is now over, so if you want to invade him, now is the best time :D. Otherwise, it's great to see you back! I suppose we'll have to discuss what we did to the RSA in lieu of your absence.
Thanks Alif! It good to see you're still around and protecting my territories.

But I'm worried over the future of EV, we need some action, and that fast!

We're in great need of a bad guy to get things started. We need more player vs. player wars, not just RP's where a player grabs another NPC-country (where the resistance is played by himself).
Our problem here is that we're almost like friends everyone, so we don't want to go to war with each other.
One thing we need to do is to begin to keep IC and OOC apart, we can be like USA vs. Iraq (or USA vs. CCCP in the 80's) IC'ly and still be friends OOC.

What fun is it to RP twelve-fifteen friendly countries exchanging ambassadors and developing new exiting space-things together? (Well it could be fun, but just for a short time.)

That's the main problem for EV. If we get things going, then it's a lot easier to recruit new players. Who wants to join a pretty dead earth?

But then again, a player vs. player war cannot stretch over several months – at least not if there are made one-two posts a week. Maybe we're to complicated, or to afraid to take our own losses? We need to concentrate on the RP, and to have fun. The most important thing is not to WIN a RP. In a good RP both the "winner" and the "looser" are winners. That's my point of view at least.

We need to talk about the RSA - because Granate and I decided to disband it. In lieu of this, we can either restart it or turn a new page.

Well, the reasons of the founding of the RSA have disappeared, so we really don't need the RSA anymore. I'll say we let the RSA pass through the history (at least now when it's already done IC'ly).

Kopparbergs if you would like to join EATO that would be great. Here is the link to the thread. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498113

I think Mongolia is free, so I claim it for myself, if thats permitted.

Looks good, Sixth. However, I have a few questions and comments that I think should be clarified for all involved if those rules were to take effect. I'm only going to quote the parts I have issues with.

War and military operations (with NPCs):
The player shall also RP the opposing forces, or have another player RP as the opposing forces. Nations that have been long abandoned are assumed to have the same military power as in real life, while nations that have fallen in a relatively recent amount of time are assumed to have a fractured portion of that nation's military. (A non-military conquest is possible, but must be specially arranged.)
The player must have made a number of clear posts that account for the resistance before claiming control, or recognize that an uprising must happen in the near future.

1. Could you elaborate more on what you mean by specially arranged. Does it have to be arranged with you or Sharina ahead of time or can we start the RP and just inform one of you of what were doing? Or does that mean the player will just have to put more posts up/more work into the RP for that nation verses a military type conquest.

2. Is there a minium number of posts that are needed/required? If, so what is the minium number you would like to see or have agreed upon? Also, does the size of the post matter? Can one say, post about 10 replies of nothing, but 1 to 2 sentences per each of those posts? As I've seen some people do just that, not here on Earth V mine you, but when we get new members you never know.

War and military operations (between players):

Unless the war is a war between two nations that explicitly agree to calculate their own losses in a fair manner and have minimal bickering about calculated losses, they nations must designate war moderator (who determines the result of specific battles, taking into account a set of factors mentioned below through either the looser qualitative formula or the stricter quantitative formula) or agree to have an official Earth V premier or adjudicator (neutral in the conflict) quickly calculate loses after each battle using the standardized quantitative formula.

Designating a war moderator is a good idea, this I have no problem with. However, it has been shown that waiting for a war mod to determine the losses will only end up delaying the war due to RL. Real Life overtakes everything. What we need to be able to do is use that standardized quantitative formula and have the own player or the opposite player calculate the losses of themselves or the person their playing against. The player will show how they calculated the losses in written form using that formula for all to see and any disagreements can be quickly hammered out. For example, one could argue-hey you failed to input the factor that I have Air Superiority which is a 60% disadvantage against your forces. Say, the other player then disagrees and says no you don't have Air Superiority. After a few posts of bickering, the players come to an agreement and both agree that Player 1 does indeed have Air Superiority, but only limited Air Superiority. So, instead of the 60% disadvantage-the more limited factor of 30% disadvantage would be use. There are other examples, I can use if need be, but I hope that kind of gives an idea of what I was trying to express.

Formulae

Quantitative: Each side in a battle has a point value; allied forces may either have one large total or separate totals, depending on how closely they attacked/defended (e.g. two nations attacking separate position a couple of miles away would have separately calculated totals, but it would take into account any support, e.g. artillery fire, from allies).

The formula itself: Numerical advantage + weather + geographic advantages + knowledge of terrain + specialized knowledge

Qualitative formula: A written evaluation of each of the quantitative factors, plus any necessary or useful factors for the specific circumstances. A qualitative evaluation is meant to be used when special circumstances of the battle make a quantitative evaluation unjust to one side. The moderator must still show all work in deciding on loses.

I'm working on such a formula that uses a point value system, but it covers quite a bit more then you stated. While Terrain and Climate are a given it also covers human factors such as Air Superiority, Training, Leadership, Supply so on. If, I can get it figured out it should work perfect for us. However, there is quite a disadvantage as it involves some work. Each person/piece of equipment is going to be needing to be assigned a point value. Is a tank worth 20 points or only 13? Is a M1 Abrams tank worth more points then say a T-72? Is a Nimitz Class Carrier worth the same as a Bremen Class frigate? So on and so on... Now, we can make this as realistic as possible or keep it simple it's really up to all of you. But, sadly everything is going to need a point value. And that's going to require some work.

As a said before, limiting what the moderator does will save us all quite some time.

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I was thinking about making a war calculator that was a little more complex than what TG6R is proposing, but if everyone is willing to work with it, I think it's a better program, just as long as we can account for the qualitative and quantitive factors equally fairly [that is, no one has qualms about the weights...].

That’s fine, however the only problem I have with the program is if you are the only one who’s going to be able to access/use it. Whatever system we use, all members should have access to it. Never hurts to double check and who knows one player might see something the other player forget to add or mention.

A question regarding Moorington, is this still underway?

I would like to know also, since neither Sixth nor Sharina has confirmed his status yet I don’t think he can be added to the list quite yet. Before, I add him to my list again. I think it’s safe bet to wait until either Sharina or Sixth confirm him officially.

Here goes...

1. I agree that the war calculator should be available to everyone, and that should expedite matters more.

2. The war moderator can view the results of the war calculators both parties did, and then modify the results if necessary since there's always the element of luck involved in most everything. Perhaps a simple random dice to add or subtract a bit from the end result (lucky shot? bad timing? someone screwed up somewhere? Erratic weather? And so on).

3. I could always take up the "bad guy" role to keep things interesting in Earth V. I could be the "Evil Fascist Super-USA" or something to keep everybody on their toes.

4. I have a list of values I have compiled for another RP project a while ago which could be pretty useful in calculator values.


Chart for Military Units, Combat System, and Calculations:

Land Units:

Light Foot Units (Infantry, Jeeps, Corps of Engineers, etc.)

Attack: 1
Defense: 1
Mobility: 8

Plains / Flatlands: +0 attack, +0 Defense, +2 mobility
Forests / Jungles: +1 attack, +1 defense, +0 mobility
Hills / Mountains: +1 attack, +2 defense, -1 mobility
Swamps / Bogs: +1 attack, +1 defense, -2 mobility
Urban areas: +2 attack, +2 defense, +0 mobility

Heavy Foot Units (Shock troops, Marines, Assault Infantry, etc.)

Attack: 3
Defense: 3
Mobility: 6

Plains / Flatlands: -1 attack, -1 Defense, +2 mobility
Forests / Jungles: +1 attack, +1 defense, -1 mobility
Hills / Mountains: +1 attack, +2 defense, -2 mobility
Swamps / Bogs: +1 attack, +1 defense, -3 mobility
Urban areas: +2 attack, +2 defense, +0 mobility

Armor Units (Tanks, APC's, Half-tracks, etc.)

Attack: 5
Defense: 5
Mobility: 8

Plains / Flatlands: +2 attack, -1 Defense, +4 mobility
Forests / Jungles: +1 attack, +1 defense, -2 mobility
Hills / Mountains: -2 attack, +1 defense, -3 mobility
Swamps / Bogs: -2 attack, +1 defense, -4 mobility
Urban areas: +1 attack, +3 defense, +0 mobility

Artillery Units (Artillery, Flak, Bazookas, Mortars, etc.)

Attack: 5
Defense: 2
Mobility: 6

Plains / Flatlands: +4 attack, -1 Defense, +3 mobility
Forests / Jungles: -1 attack, +1 defense, -1 mobility
Hills / Mountains: +2 attack, +1 defense, -2 mobility
Swamps / Bogs: +0 attack, +1 defense, -3 mobility
Urban areas: +2 attack, +2 defense, +0 mobility



Naval Units:

Light Ships (Patrol Boats, Frigates, Corvettes, Destroyers)

Attack: 3
Defense: 3
Mobility: 10

Coast: +0 attack, -1 Defense, +0 mobility
Ocean: +0 attack, +1 Defense, +2 mobility

Medium Ships (Cruisers, Armored Cruisers, Battlecruisers)

Attack: 5
Defense: 5
Mobility: 8

Coast: +2 attack, -1 Defense, +0 mobility
Ocean: +0 attack, +1 Defense, +2 mobility

Heavy Ships (Battleships, Carriers, Superdreadnoughts)

Attack: 8
Defense: 8
Mobility: 6

Coast: +2 attack, -1 Defense, +0 mobility
Ocean: +0 attack, +1 Defense, +2 mobility

Submarines (U-Boats, Attack Subs, SSBN's, etc.)

Attack: 4
Defense: 2
Mobility: 8

Coast: +0 attack, -2 Defense, +0 mobility
Ocean: +2 attack, +2 Defense, +2 mobility



Aircraft Units:

Fighters (F-series, MiG's, Mustangs, TA-series, etc.)

Attack: 4
Defense: 4
Mobility: 8

Low Altitude: +2 attack, -1 Defense, +0 mobility
High Altitude: +1 attack, +1 Defense, +0 mobility

Light Bombers (2-engined bombers)

Attack: 6
Defense: 3
Mobility: 10

Low Altitude: +1 attack, -2 Defense, +0 mobility
High Altitude: +0 attack, +0 Defense, +1 mobility

Heavy Bombers (4-engined bombers)

Attack: 8
Defense: 4
Mobility: 12

Low Altitude: +2 attack, -3 Defense, +0 mobility
High Altitude: +0 attack, +1 Defense, +1 mobility

Heliocopters (Gyrocopters)

Attack: 3
Defense: 3
Mobility: 5

Low Altitude: +0 attack, -1 Defense, +1 mobility
High Altitude: -1 attack, +1 Defense, +0 mobility

Missile Units (V-series missiles)

Attack: 10
Defense: 3
Mobility: 10

Low Altitude: +0 attack, -1 Defense, +1 mobility
High Altitude: +0 attack, +1 Defense, -1 mobility



Weather Effects:

Clear days:

Ground units: +0 attack, +0 defense, +0 mobility
Sea units: +0 attack, +0 defense, +0 mobility
Air units: +1 attack, +0 defense, +1 mobility

Rainy / Cloudy days:

Ground units: +0 attack, +1 defense, -1 mobility
Sea units: +0 attack, +0 defense, -1 mobility (rough seas)
Air units: -1 attack, -1 defense, -2 mobility

Snowy / Stormy days:

Ground units: +0 attack, +3 defense, -3 mobility
Sea units: -1 attack, -1 defense, -3 mobility (rough seas)
Air units: -3 attack, -3 defense, -5 mobility



Tactics:

Ambush:

Attacking unit: +3 attack
Defending unit: -3 defense

Flank:

Attacking unit: +1 attack
Defending unit: -1 defense

Surround: (encirclement akin to Stalingrad)

Attacking unit: +2 attack
Defending unit: -2 defense (if in non-urban areas), +0 defense (if in urban areas)

Standard:

Attacking unit: +0 attack
Defending unit: +0 defense



Generals / Admirals:

Green experience: +0 attack, +0 defense
Veteran experience: +1 attack, +1 defense
Elite experience: +2 attack, +2 defense
Legendary experience: +3 attack, +3 defense


Green = new and untried commanders
Veteran = Commanders with some experience under their belt (5 to 10 battles fought)
Elite = Commanders who has a lot of experience (20+ battles)
Legendary = Commanders with exceptional talent such as Rommel, Doolittle, Guderian, etc.



The "Luck" Factor:

A roll of a die will be used after all the factors have been added up (attack, defense, and the weather, terrain, and other modifiers). The die will be 1d4 or in other words, randomly roll a number between 1 to 4.

Thus, an attacker could get anywhere between +1 to +4 to attack, and likewise for the defender with the defense stat. An attacker could be incredibly lucky and manage to overwhelm the defender in a surprising move like in RL, or have a well laid plan fall apart (+1 roll) and fail to overwhelm a defender who gets a +4 "luck" to its defense rating.

Stat Gain:

+1 to +4 attack for the attacker
+1 to +4 defense for the defender

Thoughts?

Zaheran and Moorington, confirmed.

Zaheran and Moorington, confirmed.

Sorry about not doing the intro RP, have had a lot on my plate lately.

Tomorrow, you'll see something, or other.

Hello everyone I would like to see if it is OK if I do a talking with the Military Commanders of the following Chinese Military Regions: Shenyang, Jinan, Nanjing and Beijing Military Regions in which I plan to offer the military commanders the sum of $100 Billion Dollars to become part of the United Citizen's Federation and if no one objects to this I will also be opening up talks with other members of EATO Alliance to begin a talk to open a G8 like summit and to also bring in the South African Empire too.

well, I would object for one. You're inviting war with the rest of China, seeing as in our timeline, China has been cesspool of chaos. Besides that, I'm personally thinking that we should be leaving "good" territories for new players to take, rather than dividing it between ourselves. A G8 idea isn't going to do much [well, maybe more than it does IRL] if every single country in the world is represented on it [minus South Africa of course :D], so we need more members.

That said, what exactly is Zaheran claiming?

Here goes...

1. I agree that the war calculator should be available to everyone, and that should expedite matters more.

2. The war moderator can view the results of the war calculators both parties did, and then modify the results if necessary since there's always the element of luck involved in most everything. Perhaps a simple random dice to add or subtract a bit from the end result (lucky shot? bad timing? someone screwed up somewhere? Erratic weather? And so on).

3. I could always take up the "bad guy" role to keep things interesting in Earth V. I could be the "Evil Fascist Super-USA" or something to keep everybody on their toes.

4. I have a list of values I have compiled for another RP project a while ago which could be pretty useful in calculator values.

Chart for Military Units, Combat System, and Calculations:

Land Units:

Light Foot Units (Infantry, Jeeps, Corps of Engineers, etc.)

Attack: 1
Defense: 1
Mobility: 8

Plains / Flatlands: +0 attack, +0 Defense, +2 mobility
Forests / Jungles: +1 attack, +1 defense, +0 mobility
Hills / Mountains: +1 attack, +2 defense, -1 mobility
Swamps / Bogs: +1 attack, +1 defense, -2 mobility
Urban areas: +2 attack, +2 defense, +0 mobility

Heavy Foot Units (Shock troops, Marines, Assault Infantry, etc.)

Attack: 3
Defense: 3
Mobility: 6

Plains / Flatlands: -1 attack, -1 Defense, +2 mobility
Forests / Jungles: +1 attack, +1 defense, -1 mobility
Hills / Mountains: +1 attack, +2 defense, -2 mobility
Swamps / Bogs: +1 attack, +1 defense, -3 mobility
Urban areas: +2 attack, +2 defense, +0 mobility

Armor Units (Tanks, APC's, Half-tracks, etc.)

Attack: 5
Defense: 5
Mobility: 8

Plains / Flatlands: +2 attack, -1 Defense, +4 mobility
Forests / Jungles: +1 attack, +1 defense, -2 mobility
Hills / Mountains: -2 attack, +1 defense, -3 mobility
Swamps / Bogs: -2 attack, +1 defense, -4 mobility
Urban areas: +1 attack, +3 defense, +0 mobility

Artillery Units (Artillery, Flak, Bazookas, Mortars, etc.)

Attack: 5
Defense: 2
Mobility: 6

Plains / Flatlands: +4 attack, -1 Defense, +3 mobility
Forests / Jungles: -1 attack, +1 defense, -1 mobility
Hills / Mountains: +2 attack, +1 defense, -2 mobility
Swamps / Bogs: +0 attack, +1 defense, -3 mobility
Urban areas: +2 attack, +2 defense, +0 mobility



Naval Units:

Light Ships (Patrol Boats, Frigates, Corvettes, Destroyers)

Attack: 3
Defense: 3
Mobility: 10

Coast: +0 attack, -1 Defense, +0 mobility
Ocean: +0 attack, +1 Defense, +2 mobility

Medium Ships (Cruisers, Armored Cruisers, Battlecruisers)

Attack: 5
Defense: 5
Mobility: 8

Coast: +2 attack, -1 Defense, +0 mobility
Ocean: +0 attack, +1 Defense, +2 mobility

Heavy Ships (Battleships, Carriers, Superdreadnoughts)

Attack: 8
Defense: 8
Mobility: 6

Coast: +2 attack, -1 Defense, +0 mobility
Ocean: +0 attack, +1 Defense, +2 mobility

Submarines (U-Boats, Attack Subs, SSBN's, etc.)

Attack: 4
Defense: 2
Mobility: 8

Coast: +0 attack, -2 Defense, +0 mobility
Ocean: +2 attack, +2 Defense, +2 mobility



Aircraft Units:

Fighters (F-series, MiG's, Mustangs, TA-series, etc.)

Attack: 4
Defense: 4
Mobility: 8

Low Altitude: +2 attack, -1 Defense, +0 mobility
High Altitude: +1 attack, +1 Defense, +0 mobility

Light Bombers (2-engined bombers)

Attack: 6
Defense: 3
Mobility: 10

Low Altitude: +1 attack, -2 Defense, +0 mobility
High Altitude: +0 attack, +0 Defense, +1 mobility

Heavy Bombers (4-engined bombers)

Attack: 8
Defense: 4
Mobility: 12

Low Altitude: +2 attack, -3 Defense, +0 mobility
High Altitude: +0 attack, +1 Defense, +1 mobility

Heliocopters (Gyrocopters)

Attack: 3
Defense: 3
Mobility: 5

Low Altitude: +0 attack, -1 Defense, +1 mobility
High Altitude: -1 attack, +1 Defense, +0 mobility

Missile Units (V-series missiles)

Attack: 10
Defense: 3
Mobility: 10

Low Altitude: +0 attack, -1 Defense, +1 mobility
High Altitude: +0 attack, +1 Defense, -1 mobility



Weather Effects:

Clear days:

Ground units: +0 attack, +0 defense, +0 mobility
Sea units: +0 attack, +0 defense, +0 mobility
Air units: +1 attack, +0 defense, +1 mobility

Rainy / Cloudy days:

Ground units: +0 attack, +1 defense, -1 mobility
Sea units: +0 attack, +0 defense, -1 mobility (rough seas)
Air units: -1 attack, -1 defense, -2 mobility

Snowy / Stormy days:

Ground units: +0 attack, +3 defense, -3 mobility
Sea units: -1 attack, -1 defense, -3 mobility (rough seas)
Air units: -3 attack, -3 defense, -5 mobility



Tactics:

Ambush:

Attacking unit: +3 attack
Defending unit: -3 defense

Flank:

Attacking unit: +1 attack
Defending unit: -1 defense

Surround: (encirclement akin to Stalingrad)

Attacking unit: +2 attack
Defending unit: -2 defense (if in non-urban areas), +0 defense (if in urban areas)

Standard:

Attacking unit: +0 attack
Defending unit: +0 defense



Generals / Admirals:

Green experience: +0 attack, +0 defense
Veteran experience: +1 attack, +1 defense
Elite experience: +2 attack, +2 defense
Legendary experience: +3 attack, +3 defense


Green = new and untried commanders
Veteran = Commanders with some experience under their belt (5 to 10 battles fought)
Elite = Commanders who has a lot of experience (20+ battles)
Legendary = Commanders with exceptional talent such as Rommel, Doolittle, Guderian, etc.



The "Luck" Factor:

A roll of a die will be used after all the factors have been added up (attack, defense, and the weather, terrain, and other modifiers). The die will be 1d4 or in other words, randomly roll a number between 1 to 4.

Thus, an attacker could get anywhere between +1 to +4 to attack, and likewise for the defender with the defense stat. An attacker could be incredibly lucky and manage to overwhelm the defender in a surprising move like in RL, or have a well laid plan fall apart (+1 roll) and fail to overwhelm a defender who gets a +4 "luck" to its defense rating.

Stat Gain:

+1 to +4 attack for the attacker
+1 to +4 defense for the defender


Thoughts?

I was coming up with an Excel version of this very thing, although I'd have to admit that this is too much like Civilization to be useful. It gives uniform attack ratings for any unit; at the moment [unless I'm mistaken], an M1A1 has exactly the same attack ratings as a T-34, which everyone would assume not to be so [given the technological advances]. And unfortunately, I can't offer any advice on how to make this better, because I don't want to introduce a bias ["My tank is better than yours!"] that will get us back to square one [the ooc bickering]. That said, it's a welcome improvement.

I can get working on a prototype excel spreadsheet on this, if that's alright. Luckily for me, excel does RAND() :D - but it'll be some time with work and RL stuff.

Also, is there anything that also gives advantages to base superiorities? like numerical superiority? And just exactly how do we determine losses from this system?

If it's not already claimed, I'd like to claim the territory in the South-East United States.

I think you guys did a really good job with the new war system. Hopefully this will resolve things faster and in a more efficient way.

MC, I'm going to have to agree with Alif, lets leave something for the new guys.

The new system look a lot better then anything I could throw out; even though it doesn't allow any variations in tanks, just 'heavy tank', which is something else Alif pointed out, it could fit the bill reasonably well.

MC, I'm going to have to agree with Alif, lets leave something for the new guys.

The new system look a lot better then anything I could throw out; even though it doesn't allow any variations in tanks, just 'heavy tank', which is something else Alif pointed out, it could fit the bill reasonably well.

Maybe, but I'm convinced that the system I'm working on will work better and combine with ALM's spreadsheet we shall never have any problems again. The system I'm working on as I described before works on a point value system, but it takes into account a wide range of factors including luck. Yes, luck can be deduced to a simple formula.

I should have an example of the system up by the end of the week hopefully, from there you guys can have your say and see if that's the route you want to go. BTW-the system I'm working on would take into account variations of military equipment. An M1 Abrams would be worth more then say a T-34 or T-55 if we so choose.

As I said, with the system I'm working on you could make it as realistic as you want or as a simplistic as you want. So, tailoring it to our exacting needs shouldn't be to hard.

simplicity is a virtue - otherwise, a complex mechanism to route wars makes it less likely people will want to use the war calculator.


my personal favorite mechanism - chess :D. clear winner and loser, and you even have casualties right there! Unfortunately, not every system works with chess, because not everyone is a great player, and not everyone plays at all. But at least in that world, the chess masters rule the world! ;)


In any case, I certainly hope that we can make a war calculator that is useful in more than just this war, and hopefully, it'll come soon enough.

Well, UE, I'm one of those crazy guys that like the more complicated the better, and if you can somehow make different attributes for different sorts of tanks, at the expense of simplicity; then I can't wait.