NationStates Jolt Archive

Arabicia']Technically, unless you are a socialist or running some crazy command economy NO ONE owns Boeing, but the board of directors of Boeing.
True, but the nation in which the HQ resides in has a measure of control over who the company deals with. No selling B-52s to Iran, for example.

BTW, I just checked and the US doesn't even have 6000 Abrams.

True, but the nation in which the HQ resides in has a measure of control over who the company deals with. No selling B-52s to Iran, for example.

BTW, I just checked and the US doesn't even have 6000 Abrams.

Good for them. The US isnt an Empire is it.

Good for them. The US isnt an Empire is it.
That's fairly debatable.

That's fairly debatable.

I belive that it is a democrocy. And the congress of the United states controls the military, and are very hestitant to use it most of the time. Unlike my nation were the Emperors High Council controls the Military, and they use it often.

Having assets in your territory doesn't give you control of any of the company, it just gives you influence via trade laws. Unless you take Illinois, you have no claim to Boeing, manufacturing plants or not.

Also, Pratt & Whitney is HQed in Connecticut, so I hope you have permission from Sharina to use that engine, DP. Raytheon is in Massachusetts, so you'll need permission to use most of the missiles you've listed too.

I don't think using actual companies really matters - it's more or then the industrial capacity to build those equipments. Any nation - given a good RP for its development - can acquire [or likewise lose] industrial capacity to build its own arms industry. That said, Sharina does own a lot of US territories that are reputed for their technological and industrial expertise, so I doubt it that Sharina couldn't manufacture stuff that Boeing manufactures.

On another note, I'm not certain if we can actually authorize using RL companies to manufacture RL equipment...

I belive that it is a democrocy. And the congress of the United states controls the military, and are very hestitant to use it most of the time. Unlike my nation were the Emperors High Council controls the Military, and they use it often.

You must have problems then...

I belive that it is a democrocy. And the congress of the United states controls the military, and are very hestitant to use it most of the time. Unlike my nation were the Emperors High Council controls the Military, and they use it often.
So was Rome, and so did Rome's Senate.

So was Rome, and so did Rome's Senate.

I'm not the same as rome. And the High Council Still has to go through the Emperor to use the military. And the Emperor only grants permission unless its really needed.

I don't think using actual companies really matters - it's more or then the industrial capacity to build those equipments. Any nation - given a good RP for its development - can acquire [or likewise lose] industrial capacity to build its own arms industry. That said, Sharina does own a lot of US territories that are reputed for their technological and industrial expertise, so I doubt it that Sharina couldn't manufacture stuff that Boeing manufactures.

On another note, I'm not certain if we can actually authorize using RL companies to manufacture RL equipment...
Using the companies is the best way to deal with equipment from fractured nations. While Sharina could seize the Boeing assets and bootleg Boeing designs, they'd face some hefty lawsuits and would likely have some of their own assets seized as compensation.

Using the companies is the best way to deal with equipment from fractured nations. While Sharina could seize the Boeing assets and bootleg Boeing designs, they'd face some hefty lawsuits and would likely have some of their own assets seized as compensation.

what lawsuits?

what lawsuits?
Lawsuits from Boeing, her stockholders, and probably quite a few subcontractors.

Notice:

Some companies were affected by the "trade wars" awhile ago on Earth V, but most of the nations that were involved cease to exist. As an effect, Sharina prohibits foreign ownership of any Sharinian company.

We (TG6R) have stocks via proxies (not necessarily control) in Lockheed Martin, General Electric (General Electric also used to be based in Schenectady (which TG6R owns) and it's still an important place), Honeywell, BAe, and Airbus Industries. This really doesn't mean much (the main effect is nice TG6R space shuttles and aircraft using combined parts from all those companies), since TG6R never gets in wars and doesn't restrict sales.

My suggestion is to slash the $1 trillion increments to $100 billion increments.

That should fix a lot of problems.
I'll try it with my military...

does Boeing exist in NS? whose stockholders are there?

The United States doesn't even exist - under whose laws would Boeing file a suit?

does Boeing exist in NS? whose stockholders are there?

The United States doesn't even exist - under whose laws would Boeing file a suit?


You have a point.

I have a feeling I'm missing someone's claim...

Essentially, Sharina can easily seize all Boeing assets in Sharinan held territory (if we go by RL companies locations of their plants and such). Then Sharina can easily build its own Boeing planes and stuff with the Boeing infrastructure already in place, and essentially create Sharina Boeing or something like that.

What can Boeing do about it? Launch a series of lawsuits aganist Sharina that will ultimately amount to nothing? Sharina doesn't and isn't required to answer to the Chicago based Boeing, and Illionis is a independent nation. If worst comes to worst, Sharina can easily conquer Illionis if Illionis declares war on Sharina just for Boeing related lawsuits.

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That aside, I stated that I'd like Hawaii, Nebraska, and South Dakota (I explained why above- Hawaii from invasion, and Nebaska + South Dakota from the old Norleans - Sharina deal and Sharinan citizens living in these 2 states)

Essentially, Sharina can easily seize all Boeing assets in Sharinan held territory (if we go by RL companies locations of their plants and such). Then Sharina can easily build its own Boeing planes and stuff with the Boeing infrastructure already in place, and essentially create Sharina Boeing or something like that.

What can Boeing do about it? Launch a series of lawsuits aganist Sharina that will ultimately amount to nothing? Sharina doesn't and isn't required to answer to the Chicago based Boeing, and Illionis is a independent nation. If worst comes to worst, Sharina can easily conquer Illionis if Illionis declares war on Sharina just for Boeing related lawsuits.

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That aside, I stated that I'd like Hawaii, Nebraska, and South Dakota (I explained why above- Hawaii from invasion, and Nebaska + South Dakota from the old Norleans - Sharina deal and Sharinan citizens living in these 2 states)
Confirmed.

Also, these are how the results look using the $100 billion system:

1.5 million men per $100 billion = 18,798,397 men

Heer: 25% = 2,199,599 men - 10:1 logistics = 219 960 combat soldiers
Marine: 25% = 2,199,599 men - 6:1 logistics = 366,600 combat ship personnel
Luftwaffe: 50% = 9,399,199 men - 50:1 logistics = 187,984 combat aircraft personnel

In makes more sense to look at it from a price per soldier. We should decide wether or not we will use real world standards on that our not. The translation of the Trillion dollars to any other denomenation won't work.

Arabicia']In makes more sense to look at it from a price per soldier. We should decide wether or not we will use real world standards on that our not. The translation of the Trillion dollars to any other denomenation won't work.
Mauiwowee does use price per soldier somehow:


UBER GOOD MILITARY ALL THE WAY AROUND

This military would be about as good as it gets all the way around. If your budget was more, just keep the same ratios and you'd be fine (i.e. I'm working here with a $5 trillion budget, if you had a $10 trillion budget, you could just double the numbers of people while keeping the same % division and logistics ratio and have an military twice as big as this, but just as good. You wouldn't have to use an equal division between your military branches either for them to be good, just keep the total number of troops at 1.5 million/Trillion and use the logists numbers supplied)

Budget: $5,000,000,000,000.00 ($5 Trillion)

1.5 Million men per $Trillion = 7.5 Million men

Army: 25% = 1.875 Million men - 8:1 logistics = 208,333 combat soldiers
Navy: 25% = 1.875 Million men - 6:1 logistics = 267,857 combat ship personnel
Marines: 25% = 1.875 Million men - 8:1 logistics - 208,333 combat soldiers
Air Force: 25% = 1.875 Million men - 20:1 logistics = 89,285 combat aircraft personnel

This military would be well equipped with the best stuff, very well trained, very well supplied and capable of holding their own against a much larger force. Some of you probably think these numbers are exceptionally small, but they are not, think about the idea that the U.S. in RL has the best military in the world with only about 1.3 million people in including logistics and support with about a one trillion budget. Small, well trained, well equipped and efficiently supplied militaries are the best as a general rule. You can budget $666,666.66 per person in your military with these figures to pay, feed, house and provide medical care for them, reasonably afford to buy them new equpment and supplies, such a new planes, carriers, etc. that cost hundreds of millions and even billions each. You can also afford some decent R & D to come up with new weapons.

MAYBE AS GOOD AS THE CHINESE MILITARY ON A REALLY GOOD DAY

Budget: $5,000,000,000,000.00 ($5 Trillion)

5 Million men per $Trillion = 25 Million men

Army: 25% = 6.25 Million men - 4:1 logistics = 1,250,000 combat soldiers
Navy: 25% = 6.25 Million men - 3:1 logistics = 1,560,250 combat ship personnel
Marines: 25% = 6.25 Million men - 4:1 logistics - 1,250,000 combat soldiers
Air Force: 25% = 6.25 Million men - 9:1 logistics = 625,000 combat aircraft personnel

Wow, much bigger military, gonna kick the uber army butt, right? Wrong! You've cut your spending to only $200,000.00 per soldier, barely 30% of what the "uber" military spends to outfit, train, etc. it's people. For every $3.00 you spend getting your guys trained and equpped with stuff, the uber army has spent $10.00. You've got aging Mig fighters in your airforce, they have F22 Raptors. They have guys ready to fix anything that breaks at any time. You are constantly on the scamble to keep up with your maintainance and keep everything in working order. R & D is gonna be tough, supply lines in a combat zone are subject to breakdown far to easily to be comfortable. You could beat the uber military if you plan things right, due to number superiority - just keep thoughing soldiers at them till they have to give. On a "level playing field" though, they are likely to mop the floor with you.

I'm guessing it's the number of soldiers per whatever that increases the price per soldiers as it decreases.

Hmm...

Here's another idea how to determine military.

Max amount of people in the military:

Peacetime = 2%
Wartime = 5%
Long War (or North Korea type of nation) = 10%

Training Levels:

1. Elite Level Training: $200,000 per soldier
2. Average Level Training: $100,000 per soldier
3. Soviet Level Training: $50,000 per soldier

Determining your military:

1. Use your converted military budget (see my earlier examples)

2. Use half of your military budget for soldier training, while the other half goes to logistics, buying new military equipment, research efforts, etc.

Example: If you have $200 billion defense budget, you use $100 billion to determine how many soldiers you can afford to have via choosing which level of military you want- Elite, Average, or Soviet.

Elite = 50,000 soldiers per $100 billion
Average = 100,000 soldiers per $100 billion
Soviet = 200,000 soldiers per $100 billion

Assume these soldiers are combat ready soldiers, as you don't really need to "train" logistics- do you really need to spend even $100,000 to train someone how to fuel a plane, write military reports, package weapon ammo, etc? Hardly.

3. Subtract the numbers of soldiers you can have per the training levels and the remaining becomes reserves.

Example:

Nation X has a $1 trillion defense budget.

$500 billion goes to soldier training / maintainence.
$500 billion goes to military equipment, research+development, logistics, purcahse new ships, planes, tanks, etc....

Nation X has 100 million people, which means it can have 2 million soldiers in peacetime, but can only afford to have 500,000 average soldiers. The remaining 1,500,000 are reserves.

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Workable?

Or do we need to tweak the numbers around a bit?

The reason why I gave a $200,000 per soldier for Elite level was that I read somewhere that the UK and the US spends $200,000 (or around that much) per soldier in RL.

I really like Sharina's plan...

I can't read ten pages. What did I miss? Lawsuits? Profits from companies?

I can't read ten pages. What did I miss? Lawsuits? Profits from companies?

Arguing.

Would anyone like to go to Bausen Air Industries and tell me what they think?

Arabicia']Would anyone like to go to Bausen Air Industries and tell me what they think?

Can we make our own companys.

Can we make our own companys.

Yeah, if you want to rp creating an arms manufacturer I don't see how anyone can stop you. It's just a storefront really...

Arabicia']Yeah, if you want to rp creating an arms manufacturer I don't see how anyone can stop you. It's just a storefront really...

Well it wont just be a arms manufacturer. Heres a link t my E2 company. It'll be the same thing just E5 instead of E2: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11343243&posted=1#post11343243

What can Boeing do about it? Launch a series of lawsuits aganist Sharina that will ultimately amount to nothing? Sharina doesn't and isn't required to answer to the Chicago based Boeing, and Illionis is a independent nation. If worst comes to worst, Sharina can easily conquer Illionis if Illionis declares war on Sharina just for Boeing related lawsuits.

My point exactly.

Arabicia']In makes more sense to look at it from a price per soldier. We should decide wether or not we will use real world standards on that our not. The translation of the Trillion dollars to any other denomenation won't work.

That's what I'm doing.

Hmm...

Here's another idea how to determine military.

Max amount of people in the military:

Peacetime = 2%
Wartime = 5%
Long War (or North Korea type of nation) = 10%

Training Levels:

1. Elite Level Training: $200,000 per soldier
2. Average Level Training: $100,000 per soldier
3. Soviet Level Training: $50,000 per soldier

Determining your military:

1. Use your converted military budget (see my earlier examples)

2. Use half of your military budget for soldier training, while the other half goes to logistics, buying new military equipment, research efforts, etc.

Example: If you have $200 billion defense budget, you use $100 billion to determine how many soldiers you can afford to have via choosing which level of military you want- Elite, Average, or Soviet.

Elite = 50,000 soldiers per $100 billion
Average = 100,000 soldiers per $100 billion
Soviet = 200,000 soldiers per $100 billion

Assume these soldiers are combat ready soldiers, as you don't really need to "train" logistics- do you really need to spend even $100,000 to train someone how to fuel a plane, write military reports, package weapon ammo, etc? Hardly.

3. Subtract the numbers of soldiers you can have per the training levels and the remaining becomes reserves.

Example:

Nation X has a $1 trillion defense budget.

$500 billion goes to soldier training / maintainence.
$500 billion goes to military equipment, research+development, logistics, purcahse new ships, planes, tanks, etc....

Nation X has 100 million people, which means it can have 2 million soldiers in peacetime, but can only afford to have 500,000 average soldiers. The remaining 1,500,000 are reserves.

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Workable?

Or do we need to tweak the numbers around a bit?

The reason why I gave a $200,000 per soldier for Elite level was that I read somewhere that the UK and the US spends $200,000 (or around that much) per soldier in RL.

I agree with this [only because my $ per soldier is $250,000 :D - also it's a small army at the moment, and it makes more sense RL, because I don't think my soldiers - however courageous and dutiful they are - deserve to be paid $666,666.66 per annum [in training, wages, equipment, etc.]. I mean, not that it's deserved, but they really don't need it [as much as any other person does in my Emirate apparently...].

Arabicia]Yeah, if you want to rp creating an arms manufacturer I don't see how anyone can stop you. It's just a storefront really...

I agree with this, as I myself intend to do something like this [once my Qattara project is over], but I don't think I need to mention that the RP must be reasonable. You can't RP an industry that blossoms in 3 months and is able to churn out 1000 tanks/fighers/ships per day. Maybe something that starts off with a production capacity of the same [except the ship part, because those take years to build in the first place] inn one month, and slowly upgrade to an agreeable standard.

Nations that already have existing industries shouldn't worry too much about it anyway, but for me and others, I'd suggest this, so we don't get 200000 storefronts with the exact same capacity, because some stores will run out of business, and it'll be effectively cheaper to buy them from elsewhere [except that you would then rely on that nation to supply your munitions and repair parts].

Would anyone like to go to Bausen Air Industries and tell me what they think?

Where is this? I might consider a joint project :p...

Nations that already have existing industries shouldn't worry too much about it anyway, but for me and others, I'd suggest this, so we don't get 200000 storefronts with the exact same capacity, because some stores will run out of business, and it'll be effectively cheaper to buy them from elsewhere [except that you would then rely on that nation to supply your munitions and repair parts].
Yes, it must be well played, otherwise we're going to loose the reality. Every single nation cannot reverse enginere or make a brand new air plane. And in RL that isn't even neccesary.

BTW, Israel has a decent Defense Industry, I might sell something if anybody is interested. More info about Israeli weapons. (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/)

Are there any objections to Sharina's plan?

And, of course, nations can have their own created companies. But it needs to be RPed.

Oh shoot, I just realized I've been misspelling some of my leaders' names for years. :eek:

Here's what they should be:

Otto Rommel von Heinkel
Ludo Heinkel

Yes, it must be well played, otherwise we're going to loose the reality. Every single nation cannot reverse enginere or make a brand new air plane. And in RL that isn't even neccesary.

BTW, Israel has a decent Defense Industry, I might sell something if anybody is interested. More info about Israeli weapons. (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/)

Might be interestid in some patrol boats some time. Not yet though.

CHECK OUT MY STOREFRONT!!!!!! http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494993

Are there any objections to Sharina's plan?

Just one minor thing:


Nation X has 100 million people, which means it can have 2 million soldiers in peacetime, but can only afford to have 500,000 average soldiers. The remaining 1,500,000 are reserves.

I would like to say that the difference between the allowed 2% and 5% (peace/war) should be the reserves. And if you choose (or cannot afford) to have only 0,5% of your population, your reserve is 4,5% (or maximum 4,5%), not 1,5%.

But this doesn't really make any differense, but the size of the reserves.

CHECK OUT MY STOREFRONT!!!!!! http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494993

I did mention that I wouldn't be buying anything, but it's a good start.

Are there any objections to Sharina's plan?

I've already said that I agree with it, so here I am iterating my opinion.

and the maps have been updated, as per Sharina's invasion and requests approved by TG6R...

is anyone else joining? and what happened to the multitude of people that were interesting just days ago?

In advance of an anticipating call from Sistan and DP, there have been complaints about the way that I color my maps [in particular about why I've filled in Sudan]. I would like TG6R or Sharina [preferrably TG6R] to review the situation on the map thread to see if the logic is fluid and whose opinion is more valid.

For your convenience, the thread [on the page where the contentions are raised] is right here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109&page=2

I'd like an opinion as soon as possible.

hey sorry about not being online for a while. i had other obligations to fulfill. (i.e. work)

So whats the score?

Is earth V now orientated around an R.L population structure yet? or do we still follow our N.S populations?

hey sorry about not being online for a while. i had other obligations to fulfill. (i.e. work)

So whats the score?

Is earth V now orientated around an R.L population structure yet? or do we still follow our N.S populations?
It's RL population. Here's your population according to the cia factbook:

South Africa, 44 187 637
Gaza, 1 428 757
Lesotho, 2 022 331
Swaziland, 1 136 334
TOTAL: 48 775 059

Your defense budget (at thirdgeek): $32 573 million
NS Population: 150 million
Pop ratio (RL / NS): 0,325
Calculated defense budget: $10.592 millions

Also, there is a maximum of 2 % of your total population who can be active in the military service (in peacetime, in wartimes you can have 5%).

Also, you have to look at the dollar spent/troop, read about it earlier in this thread.

I can figure this is a real mess if you are new to this, or have been away a couple of days. But this is wort it! The game is going to be so much fun and realistic!

It's RL population. Here's your population according to the cia factbook:

*snip snap*

Also, you have to look at the dollar spent/troop, read about it earlier in this thread.

I can figure this is a real mess if you are new to this, or have been away a couple of days. But this is wort it! The game is going to be so much fun and realistic!

It gets to be more worthwhile if you do this for us :D

Arguing.
Ok...Im just going with
RL stats with a small boost. I will post tomorrow...I keep forgetting and its getting late.

Alif Laam Miim- Here's a link to my Aviation minded store front

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494959

Yeah, I'm back (at last), has anything happened in E5? I saw someone is willing to fight over Indochina... :D

And I saw the return of Kopparbergs! Long time no see!

Yeah, I'm back (at last), has anything happened in E5? I saw someone is willing to fight over Indochina... :D

And I saw the return of Kopparbergs! Long time no see!
Welcome back Warta Endor!

Yes, a very long time since we fighted in Africa. :)

Fun to be back here in Earth V!!

It has happened a lot of things here when you were gone, mostly OOC-things like changing the rules (now we're based on RL-population, and use a calculated defense-budget). I wrote to Persecution and Hatred a couple of post ago, read that post.

IC a couple of RP's has started, but nothing really important. Yet...

Another note no all of you:
I've changed to post as Kopparbergs_0 instead of Stallberg. The jolt crew seems to bee very busy as they haven't fixed my real jolt-account yet.

Can we have everyone include the total $ amount spent per soldier? I think it would be easer if we included that since we can get a better idea of the quality of the force.

I'm back, sorry I had to scoot so soon after joining there.

Owww, yeez! Now I'll have to change my Military Thread again :headbang:

I'm still waiting for comformation of my order to start my military.

I have a question regarding puppets.

As you all probably know Earth II has a rule that says you're not allowed to participate in other earths than Earth II.

A solution round this is to make a puppet, and use it to play in Earth V (or use it in Earth II).

But how about the stats and population? Are you restricted to use the puppets stats, or can you pretend that the puppet is your ordinary nation? This is an important question, because if you have to use the puppets' stats and population you may select not to participate in Earth V – and we gets less players... I should prefer that participants in Earth II could select to play with a puppet in Earth V, but use the stats and populations of their mother nation.

We're having a couple of Earth II players here, but I don't know how they decided to do with puppets. But I know that there are more players that have decided to select Earth II, just because of that earth's rule. If they could use a puppy here, but use the mother nations stat, they probably should play in both earths.

This puppet rule should only apply to those in Earth II. Other players must use the puppet's stats.

What do you say? What does the mods say?

If we're going to use puppets to stand in for original nations and yet still use the original nation's stats, you're opening a can of worms I don't think you'll like. Since Sistan is a small puppet of mine, if I were to be able to use my primary's stats it would be fairly unbalanced. Asherton would be able to use his primary's stats as well, and even after the population reductions we'd both be well beyond the reach of most.

I have a question regarding puppets.

As you all probably know Earth II has a rule that says you're not allowed to participate in other earths than Earth II.

A solution round this is to make a puppet, and use it to play in Earth V (or use it in Earth II).

But how about the stats and population? Are you restricted to use the puppets stats, or can you pretend that the puppet is your ordinary nation? This is an important question, because if you have to use the puppets' stats and population you may select not to participate in Earth V – and we gets less players... I should prefer that participants in Earth II could select to play with a puppet in Earth V, but use the stats and populations of their mother nation.

We're having a couple of Earth II players here, but I don't know how they decided to do with puppets. But I know that there are more players that have decided to select Earth II, just because of that earth's rule. If they could use a puppy here, but use the mother nations stat, they probably should play in both earths.

This puppet rule should only apply to those in Earth II. Other players must use the puppet's stats.

What do you say? What does the mods say?

E2 uses NS pops So i'd use your bigger nation there and your puppet here. Since we use RL pops.

If that's the case then I'll create another nation.

I have a question regarding puppets.

As you all probably know Earth II has a rule that says you're not allowed to participate in other earths than Earth II.

A solution round this is to make a puppet, and use it to play in Earth V (or use it in Earth II).

But how about the stats and population? Are you restricted to use the puppets stats, or can you pretend that the puppet is your ordinary nation? This is an important question, because if you have to use the puppets' stats and population you may select not to participate in Earth V – and we gets less players... I should prefer that participants in Earth II could select to play with a puppet in Earth V, but use the stats and populations of their mother nation.

We're having a couple of Earth II players here, but I don't know how they decided to do with puppets. But I know that there are more players that have decided to select Earth II, just because of that earth's rule. If they could use a puppy here, but use the mother nations stat, they probably should play in both earths.

This puppet rule should only apply to those in Earth II. Other players must use the puppet's stats.

What do you say? What does the mods say?

In the end, it comes down to per capita wealth. I'd say use whatever you're using for the RP at the moment [since it's easier to deal with]. And besides that, I'm using a pupprt for there, since I want to keep my nation name here.

Arabicia]Alif Laam Miim- Here's a link to my Aviation minded store front

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494959

Yay!

^
The nation I made is called

'The New Southeast'. I'll work out the populations for the US states in my country.

If that's the case then I'll create another nation.

That is the case, but it's turning out to be a heck of a time for me... Jolt won't log my puppet...

New Company!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11509264&posted=1#post11509264

That is the case, but it's turning out to be a heck of a time for me... Jolt won't log my puppet...

In that case, you could continue posting under your original account, but make it clear that you play with a puppet nation in your signature. Does wonders for the postcount.

In that case, you could continue posting under your original account, but make it clear that you play with a puppet nation in your signature. Does wonders for the postcount.

I'd already done that, sadly...

Honestly...

1. It doesn't matter if you use main NS nation or a puppet for Earth V, as Earth V uses RL populations so the population count of NS nations won't mean anything.

2. So if you want to use your main NS nation for "OMG! Uber-population Wank" in Earth 2, thats okay by me. You can use a 5 million population puppet or a 10 billion NS nation in Earth V and it'd amount to the exact same thing in Earth V.

3. So if you want to play in Earth 2, go ahead and use your main nation or puppet or whatever you'd like.

4. I don't want to impose "You can't RP in other Earths if you RP in Earth V" rule because it'd actually reduce RP'ing opporunities. I've always been a strong supporter of the multi-Earth RP- What I mean by that is that a player can RP across multiple Earth's but not as the exact same nation (meaning one nation has colonies on multiple Earth's, but rather the same nation name for every Earth like 10 Sharina's for 10 Earth's instead of 1 Sharina for 10 Earth's)

May I have Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, and Uraguay

Population may be irrelevent, but freedoms and budgets are not. >_>

um, have my claims been validated

Honestly...

1. It doesn't matter if you use main NS nation or a puppet for Earth V, as Earth V uses RL populations so the population count of NS nations won't mean anything.
I agree to that, but it's a big difference in the defense budget and that's a very important thing about Earth-V.

I.E:
Kopparbergs
NS POP: 1.800 million
RL POP: 51,8 million
Defense budget (NS): 3.508 billion
Calculated budget: 99.955 million

Persecution and Hatred has about equally RL population, but is a younger NS-nation, therefore a lot smaller defense budget:
NS POP: 150 million
RL POP: 48,8 million
Defense (NS): 32,5 million
Calculated budget: 10.592 million.

We're about equally in RL-population, but he has only a tenth of my budget -and that's because he's a younger nation.

But I don't know if this is such a big problem, I just thought that we could get more players with this rule. It was just a suggestion...

May I have Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, and Uraguay
Confirmed.

Kopparbergs_0 check telegrams

Budgets could prove to be inequal, but aren't they inequal in RL? I mean, the US spending half of the World's Defense Budget...

May I have Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, and Uraguay

YAY I have a neighbor!

Ok...Im just going with
RL stats with a small boost. I will post tomorrow...I keep forgetting and its getting late.
Scratch that...I will post ASAP...I'm fairly busy with things.

Confirmed.

I saw the TGs [re:Iraq] in the IC thread - is that an IC claim/transfer/whatever?

And this will be done ASAP.

Yes. I've already started moving troops into Iraq in An Empire Reborn. I'll make an announcement in the II thread.

Yes. I've already started moving troops into Iraq in An Empire Reborn. I'll make an announcement in the II thread.

I was expecting TG6R to reply, but I'll take your word for it - since it is your claim now.

I agree to that, but it's a big difference in the defense budget and that's a very important thing about Earth-V.

I.E:
Kopparbergs
NS POP: 1.800 million
RL POP: 51,8 million
Defense budget (NS): 3.508 billion
Calculated budget: 99.955 million

Persecution and Hatred has about equally RL population, but is a younger NS-nation, therefore a lot smaller defense budget:
NS POP: 150 million
RL POP: 48,8 million
Defense (NS): 32,5 million
Calculated budget: 10.592 million.

We're about equally in RL-population, but he has only a tenth of my budget -and that's because he's a younger nation.

But I don't know if this is such a big problem, I just thought that we could get more players with this rule. It was just a suggestion...

I like this. it keeps things relative... one query however. how do we estimate our annual pop growth....

I like this. it keeps things relative... one query however. how do we estimate our annual pop growth....

I will be more than happy to assume the responibility of assigning population growth on a case by case basis. Population growth depends on what you do in the RP.

1. If you do a lot of defensive wars (protecting yourself), your population growth will be low due to lots of damage and disruption of food supply.

2. If you are at peacetime, your population growth will be average all around.

3. If you do initatives RP-wise to encurage population growth, it'll be high.

4. If you're a Third World nation (at least control RL Third World nations), your population growth will be somewhat higher than average.

Stuff like that is why it needs to be assigned on a case by case basis.

Arkansas, Missouri and Kentucky have become part of the confederacy - I did it IC on the RP thread, as I felt it didn't really justify a thread of its own (I'll be happy to correct if that's wrong). If that's in order can it be put on the map please.

+I updated my military stats in accordance with recent changes. They should be alright, please, PM me if they're not.

ehhhhhh...

I'll wait for TG6R and his word on the unconfirmed IC annexes - he didn't mention anything about this...

As far as I know, there's this:

-Kopparbergs has request an annexation of Niger. <<added
-Sistan has invaded Kuwait [in addition to Iraq]
-Neuvo Rica has annexed [can't call it invading...] the states of Arkansas, Kentucky, and Missouri
-Persecution and Hatred claims/invades/annexes Namibia.

And what to do about future IC attacks/conquests?

SC-P1 Panther MBT

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a147/darth_avondale/Leclerc-turk.jpg

History:

In early 2006 when the Empire came to power in Brazil they called for all weapons manufactors to begin weapons development. Sundassala Corporation’s SLNS took up the challenge to desing and build a main battle tank. Development started in early 2006 and deployment of the first tank is estimated in early or mid 2007.

Crew systems:

The Commander's station is equipped with six periscopes which provide all round 360 degree view. The Thermal Scope for him with independent, stabilized day and night vision with a 360 degree view, automatic sector scanning, automatic target cueing of the Gunner's sight with no need for verbal communication, and a complete back-up fire control system - the Commander is capable of firing the main gun independent of the Gunner.

The Gunner's sytems include a forward viewing inferred scope can create an image based on the differences of heat radiated by objects in the field of view. The thermal image is displayed in the eyepiece of the Gunner's sight together with the range measurement to within 12 meters of accuracy, which is integrated into all of the fire control systems. The Panther also has an onboard digital fire control computer. Range data from the laser rangefinder is transferred directly to the fire control computer, which automatically calculates the fire control solution. The data includes 1) the lead angle measurement, 2) the bend of the gun measured by the muzzle reference system of the main armament, 3) wind velocity measurement from a wind sensor on the roof of the turret and 4) the data from a pendulum static cant sensor located at the center of the turret roof. Gunner also has control of a forward machine gun to defend against infantry targets.

The Loader's station is located on the right side of the turret and has no special fire control equipment.

The Driver's station is located at the center front of the hull. The Driver is in a semi-reclined position when his hatch is closed, as it must be whenever the vehicle is in operation. His station is equipped with a standard array of digital gages and monitors reflecting the condition of vehicle fluid levels, batteries and electrical equipment. The Driver has either 6 observation periscopes or 3 periscopes on either side and a central image intensifying periscope for inferred vision. The periscopes provide 360 degrees field of view. The Driver's night vision equipment enables the tank to maneuver at normal daytime driving speeds in darkness and in poor visibility conditions such as in the dust and smoke encountered on the field.

Armament:

The panther 1 has a SS-45 Liquid cooled, Smooth Bore Cannon. It can fire eather Exploding shells or amour pricing shells. Test has shown that this tank has the ability to take on up to 3 T-90 tanks. In tests the Panther crew could view and fire at the crews of the T-90s before they could react. The tank is also linked to the Dweladelfian Field computer. The tank also has 3 Panther Fang .50 Cal. Heavy Machine Guns used to take out infantry threats.

Manufacturer: Sundassala Corporation
Crew: 3
Weight: 68 Tons
Length (Gun Forward): 380”
Turret Height: 96”
Width: 144”
Ground Clearance: 16”
Ground Pressure: 15.2 PSI
Power plant: SC-54 turbine engine
Power Rating: 1600 HP
Speed – Maximum: 44 mph
Speed - Cross Country: 32 mph
Acceleration: 7 Seconds
Cruising Range: 290 miles
Main Armament: 120mm SS-45 Liquid cooled, Smooth Bore Cannon
Commander's Weapon: Panther Fang .50 Cal. Heavy Machine Gun
Coaxial Weapon: Panther Fang .50 Cal. Heavy Machine Gun
Loader's Weapon: Panther Fang .50 Cal. Heavy Machine Gun
Cost: 5 Million


PLEASE COMMENT!!!!!. AND BE NICE IM NEW!

ehhhhhh...

I'll wait for TG6R and his word on the unconfirmed IC annexes - he didn't mention anything about this...

As far as I know, there's this:

-Kopparbergs has request an annexation of Niger. <<added
-Sistan has invaded Kuwait [in addition to Iraq]
-Neuvo Rica has annexed [can't call it invading...] the states of Arkansas, Kentucky, and Missouri
-Persecution and Hatred claims/invades/annexes Namibia.

And what to do about future IC attacks/conquests?
Standard, age-old practice is that anyone that feels they have RPed sufficiently posts in this thread requesting me to recognize their claim.

PLEASE COMMENT ON THE TANK ABOVE!!!!

welllll... since I'm making the map, and no one else is contesting those claims, I'm putting them on, under the new rule.

It has become the official opinion of the World Cartography Institute in Cairo...

FOR THE LUVAGOD, SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE KANSAS [or what appears to be Kansas after the big smurg of disproportionate scaling...]

My N/D Thread (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495428)

Your tank looks ok, but I'm not an expert. I think the price is a little low...

My N/D Thread (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495428)

I've added it to the map thread - and I do agree that the tank is a little cheap, although I'd imagine that a tank that accelerates in 7 seconds is quite perplexing - does it take 7 seconds to accelerate, or does it accelerate in 7 seconds?

Okay, I've got a question about tax rate. Assuming that not every nation mandates a 100% tax rate, some nations are going to have smaller budgets because they tax their citizens less. I've been applying my own tax rate to the GDP, such that the budget is whatever the tax accounts for. I'll quote from my economy post:

GDP Per capita: [as of 05AUG2006] - $8,529.79

GDP: $810,330,050,000

Tax Rate: 80%

Budget: [as of 05AUG2006] $648,264,040,000
Administration: 7%
Social Welfare: 0%
Healthcare: 3%
Education: 17%
Religion & Spirituality: 20%
Defence: 27%
Law & Order: 24%
Commerce: 0%
Public Transport: 1%
The Environment: 0%
Social Equality: 1%

First of all, is this appropriate? Secondly, how often should we update our economic stats [since it will change almost daily, but I'm personally mandating a weekly update]? Thirdly, should we have an economics thread to keep track of the world's economy, or will it be fine to have it all separate [I'm personally hoping for a new thread...]?

Whats the link to that ever so useful n.s. calculator (theres probably hundreds of them) :)

Okay, I've got a question about tax rate. Assuming that not every nation mandates a 100% tax rate, some nations are going to have smaller budgets because they tax their citizens less. I've been applying my own tax rate to the GDP, such that the budget is whatever the tax accounts for. I'll quote from my economy post:



First of all, is this appropriate? Secondly, how often should we update our economic stats [since it will change almost daily, but I'm personally mandating a weekly update]? Thirdly, should we have an economics thread to keep track of the world's economy, or will it be fine to have it all separate [I'm personally hoping for a new thread...]?

Actually, I think we only need to do it once, because of several reasons.

1. Keep it easy and non-stressing not having to redo the economy and diviisions and everything every week.

2. NS budgets don't change that much- the ratios will remain the same. Once you put down your original budget, then RP (like increasing education spending or defense spending) and population growth (handled by me) can take care of the rest.

3. Essentially, the conversion thing should be a baseline stat for you to start RP'ing with (budget-wise).

-Jaques de Biere-

Is that supposed to be a joke?

Is that supposed to be a joke?

Hmm? What joke are you talking about?

nah I just need a stereotypical Afrikaans name and i couldnt think of any.. so i had to use that dumb name... no joke intended.:D

also I finished my R.p. for namibia and swaziland and lesotho. can you colour them in purple and add em to my claims. thanks....

(check it ou. its on my thread. I tried to be imaginative but at least its not two paragraphs:p )

Check out This (http://www.behindthename.com)

It should be a random name generator. If you cant find it here try putting "/random" after the ".com"

It has become the official opinion of the World Cartography Institute in Cairo...

FOR THE LUVAGOD, SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE KANSAS [or what appears to be Kansas after the big smurg of disproportionate scaling...]

Consider it done... later.

Check out This (http://www.behindthename.com)

It should be a random name generator. If you cant find it here try putting "/random" after the ".com"
Thanks! Good site. May use it later to make up new persons.

Oh Sharnia. You can cancel my order. Im makin my own stuff now.

Question: What is alowed in rps:

Are

Railguns
Scram Jets
How big can your battleship guns get? 18" 20"?

Question: What is alowed in rps:

Are

Railguns
Scram Jets
How big can your battleship guns get? 18" 20"?
Everything that exists in RL are allowed in RP's. Even things with a small modification, as long as it could exist in RL are allowed.

Something that doesn't exist, or nobody couldn't deploy in RL, cannot exist in Earth V either.

At least that's how I understands the rules?

Everything that exists in RL are allowed in RP's. Even things with a small modification, as long as it could exist in RL are allowed.

Something that doesn't exist, or nobody couldn't deploy in RL, cannot exist in Earth V either.

At least that's how I understands the rules?

Ok so scram jets and 18" ers are in are there Railguns in RL? Cant a company produce them if there alowed in MT?

Scramjets would surely have to be just as unreliable as they are nowadays surely though. The beauty of EV is the way it 'keeps things real'.

SC-101 Ravage IFV

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a147/darth_avondale/cv90skraa.jpg

History

In early 2006 when the Empire came to power in Brazil they called for all weapons manufactures to begin weapons development. Sundassala Corporation’s SLNS took up the challenge to design and build a IFV. Development started in early 2006 and deployment of the first IFV is estimated in early or mid 2007.


Armament

The Ravages main armament is the 25mm " Sundassala 1" Chain Gun, manufactured by Sundassala Land and Naval Systems. The SC-101 has a single barrel with an integrated dual-feed mechanism and remote ammunition selection. Either armor piercing (AP) or high explosive (HE) ammunition may be selected with the flick of a switch. The Gunner may select from single or multiple shot modes. The standard rate of fire is 200 rounds per minute, and has a range of 2,000 meters (depending on the ammunition used). A wide range of ammunition has been developed for this weapon, making it capable of defeating the majority of armored vehicles it is likely to encounter, up to and including some main battle tanks.

When facing heavier enemy armor the Ravage relies on the TOW Anti-Tank Missile, manufactured by the Hughes Aircraft. Launched from a smooth tube launcher, the missile’s wings and tail fins are folded inside its body until launch. Two of these missiles are carried ready to fire in a collapsible, armored launch rack on the left of the turret. The Ravage must stop in order to fire these missiles, which are them reloaded by the Infantrymen in the back of the vehicle, using a special hatch which provides armor protection during the reload operation. The missile is equipped with a massive shaped charge, high explosive warhead and is propelled by a two-stage solid propellant motor. The range of the TOW missile is nearly 4 kilometers and the missile will reach a speed of almost Mach 1 on its way to the target. This weapon is capable of destroying any armored vehicle in existence today and is deadly accurate.

Propulsion

The wide tracks and 700 horsepower turbo-diesel power plant give the vehicle the mobility it needs to keep up with the Panther, and keep the soldiers it carries out of harms way. In order to fulfill the requirement for rapid worldwide deploy ability, the Ravage can be transported by truck, rail, ship and transporter aircraft. In addition, all Ravages are amphibious. Early models were equipped with a water barrier, which is erected by the crew before entering the water – a procedure that takes about 30 minutes. Later models have an inflatable pontoon, which fits on the front and sides of the vehicle. This pontoon is inflated in about 15 minutes, and is continuously pressurized during operation. The pontoon is compartmentalized to provide protection against sinking in the event of rupture of the pontoon. Water propulsion is provided by tracks which propel the vehicle at about 4 MPH.

Specs

Crew: 3 Crew, 8 Infantry
Length 30’
Width 12’
Height 10’
Weight 60,000 Pounds
Road Speed 40 mph
Range 400 Miles
Engine SC-54 turbine engine
Armament 25mm cannon (Chain-gun)
2 Panther Fang .50 Cal. Heavy Machine Gun
2 TOW missile launcher with twin tubes.
Average unit cost 4 Million USDs
Prime Contractor Sundassala Land and Naval Systems

PLEASE COMMENT!!!!!!!!

nah I just need a stereotypical Afrikaans name and i couldnt think of any.. so i had to use that dumb name... no joke intended.:D

also I finished my R.p. for namibia and swaziland and lesotho. can you colour them in purple and add em to my claims. thanks....

(check it ou. its on my thread. I tried to be imaginative but at least its not two paragraphs:p )

I only say so because in French, Jaques [more likely Jacques] de Biere literally translates to "Jack of Beer"

And I believe that I've already colored in the claims.

PLEASE COMMENT!!!!!!!!

Eh, methinks you're upgrading/designing/building stuff too quickly, and I don't see any research RPs for any of your new models.

Question: What is alowed in rps:

Are

Railguns
Scram Jets
How big can your battleship guns get? 18" 20"?

I'm inclined to give a big fat NO to this, but if you RP research and design [and not the "I've researched this and now I have it" schiess<<<pardon the German], it should be fine. By research and design, I also mean that you have to do your own manual research to see if something like this is even feasible [and I know enough about railguns and scramjets, granted someone else will know more].

Actually, I think we only need to do it once, because of several reasons.

1. Keep it easy and non-stressing not having to redo the economy and diviisions and everything every week.

2. NS budgets don't change that much- the ratios will remain the same. Once you put down your original budget, then RP (like increasing education spending or defense spending) and population growth (handled by me) can take care of the rest.

3. Essentially, the conversion thing should be a baseline stat for you to start RP'ing with (budget-wise).

1. I don't think that they're exhausting. It will take some time, but I figure it's pretty simple.

2. I've seen NS budgets change drastically [I've done so myself].

3. Ok.

Question: What is alowed in rps:

Are

Railguns
Scram Jets
How big can your battleship guns get? 18" 20"?
I'll try to answer two of them:

Railguns: Yes. They've been used for quite a long time IRL. Unless you're talking about something really PMT.

Scamjet-powered stuff: Limited, but still possible. See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramjet_Programs) for information on projects that could be expanded to possibily be combat "aircraft," but it would be expensive and almost pointless due to the short nature of current scramjet-powered flight.

I'm inclined to give a big fat NO to this, but if you RP research and design [and not the "I've researched this and now I have it" schiess<<<pardon the German], it should be fine. By research and design, I also mean that you have to do your own manual research to see if something like this is even feasible [and I know enough about railguns and scramjets, granted someone else will know more].
Scheiße, not "schiesse." German is allowed in the recruitment (as long as one uses the "old" spelling and Eszett rules), look at all the "Ja" responses I made in the previous thread. :)

Scheiße, not "schiesse." German is allowed in the recruitment (as long as one uses the "old" spelling and Eszett rules), look at all the "Ja" responses I made in the previous thread. :)

I can't use the B on my computer... otherwise, I would... but now that you've done it, I think I'll just copy that whenever I want to say it :D.

I only say so because in French, Jaques [more likely Jacques] de Biere literally translates to "Jack of Beer"

And I believe that I've already colored in the claims.



Eh, methinks you're upgrading/designing/building stuff too quickly, and I don't see any research RPs for any of your new models.


Um ya youthinks. But They all got reaseareched at the same time. And nobody will answer my orders so you'll have to deal with it.

The Return of FOAM! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11525681#post11525681)

Um ya youthinks. But They all got reaseareched at the same time. And nobody will answer my orders so you'll have to deal with it.

I personally don't know recognize stuff that doesn't develop nicely - as a courtesy at least, post something up for an R/D of these and future weapons.

I personally don't know recognize stuff that doesn't develop nicely - as a courtesy at least, post something up for an R/D of these and future weapons.

Good for you. Idc

Ok, I've got a question...

With all this realistic military stats and stuuf, what do we do for example with the F35? Singapore has ordered several of them to replace their F16 D's. Do we say that these orders etc. have never happened? And what happens if you annex a country with more/better military equipment? Can you add it then?

Ok, I've got a question...

With all this realistic military stats and stuuf, what do we do for example with the F35? Singapore has ordered several of them to replace their F16 D's. Do we say that these orders etc. have never happened? And what happens if you annex a country with more/better military equipment? Can you add it then?
If any Earth V user conquers another country, they're allowed to produce their equipment, but not just "add it" to their military stats. It really wouldn't make much sense if people were conquering other countries and adding the entire conquered country's military to their military stats. :) (Of course, maybe a couple of new tanks from the conquered country, for example, could be added to the military, assuming it's RPed)

I'm not sure about the other question though...

cool.

I know that the question has been asked before, but what year is it exactly [relative to the year when we started... because i want to knnow just exactly how far my Qattara Project has advanced since it began R/D...]

I know that the question has been asked before, but what year is it exactly [relative to the year when we started... because i want to knnow just exactly how far my Qattara Project has advanced since it began R/D...]
Use standard NS time (week = year is what I generally use), but keep the year "2006" in RPs to keep it simple. It sounds weird, but it's been working for several years on Earth V (and I don't mean NS time :)).

Use standard NS time (week = year is what I generally use), but keep the year "2006" in RPs to keep it simple. It sounds weird, but it's been working for several years on Earth (and I don't mean NS time :)).

Ok - and as a side note, I probably won't mention years - I just want to know how much time has passed in the RPing... in any case, I had the same idea.

Ok - and as a side note, I probably won't mention years - I just want to know how much time has passed in the RPing... in any case, I had the same idea.

i'd say its fall 2006 in E5 time now. oh Just to let you know i'm invading Guyana, Suriname, and French Guiana. i dont want open territory in missle range from my capital. I'll leave Venezuela open for new comers. A tread will be up soon.

TGSR: Check TGs.

Also: The insurgencies in Iraq and Kuwait are all but over. The Sistani government has established itself as the legitimate government of the two nations. There's no-longer any need to have the territory marked as disputed.

I still have problems calculating my budget, if someone can help...

Total RL Population/Total NS population


take that ratio and multiply it with all of your ns economy stats and there you have your NS nation's budget fitted down to your RL size.

ALM considers the Sudan pacified [although not totally assimilated because we have to institute government there now].

I still have problems calculating my budget, if someone can help...
Total RL pop: 280,373,652
Total defense budget: $1,665,422,790,000

Also: The insurgencies in Iraq and Kuwait are all but over. The Sistani government has established itself as the legitimate government of the two nations. There's no-longer any need to have the territory marked as disputed.

I'm waiting for TG6R to confirm that oocly [like he did for Niger].

New Thread Invasion of Guyana, French Guiana, and Suriname.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11529919#post11529919

Total RL pop: 280,373,652
Total defense budget: $1,665,422,790,000

Thanks a lot!

FYI - Pyschotika has left this RP and his territories have once again opened to claim, which are as follows:

Finland, Sweden

Note to everyone:

The puppet I will be using on EV is known as 'Eston - i - a' - I'll put a link in my sig and all that once it's been revived.

I'm waiting for TG6R to confirm that oocly [like he did for Niger].
Confirmed.

After reviewing my list of factbooks/D-N/whatever-you-want-to-call-it-thingy, I have concluded that there are more factbooks floating around. SO...

PLEASE POST YOUR FACTBOOK HERE SO I CAN ADD IT TO THE MAP THREAD.

actually, check the Map thread to see if I already have your factbook under your nation name. If it's not there, post here [not there or else i hit my head on a brick wall].

TG6R - I hate to keep bothering you with this stuff about claims, but I'd like a post confirmation on Bahrain.

TG6R - I hate to keep bothering you with this stuff about claims, but I'd like a post confirmation on Bahrain.
Confirmed.

Confirmed.

now that was quick...

Sharnia I'd like to order 5 F-14s, and 5 F-16s please.Please Respond ASAP!!!!!

DP, maybe you can send him a TG, he'd notice sooner.

TG6R, where's the UN Thread?

DP, maybe you can send him a TG, he'd notice sooner.

TG6R, where's the UN Thread?

what UN thread? :?

Well, we have a UN and we used to have a UN Thread. I thoght it still existed or that a new one was made...

Well, we have a UN and we used to have a UN Thread. I thoght it still existed or that a new one was made...
The UN General Assembly isn't in session until September. It's ironic that you ask, since it's approaching that time now. Last year's thread was for last year's session. Diplomats are lazy people. ;)

The UN Security Council is in session whenever need arises. There's currently no thread, but whoever is the month's President creates it. Great Romeo's the President of the GA (we have Presidents to set the agenda) this year, I think, so we can just assume Great Romeo's also the President of the Security Council in September, just to make it simple (I have no idea who should be in that position this month).

any permanent seats in the SC or is it a universal setting? for the UNSC?

I apologize for my brief RP posts in Earth V. I've been somewhat preoccupied elsewhere.

By the way, I have three orders for American goods...

1. Warta Endor
2. Brinkman
3. Dwafeledia Prime

Are there any more? I need to know so I can ramp up production of the equipment (won't be ready until mid-2007 or late-2007 due to the necessary ramp up of production)

I just made a new advertising-thread for Earth-V. This thread may be a little busy for new players...

LINK (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495727)

yea... we need more people - cuz I've got some space on the right side for new players...

I apologize for my brief RP posts in Earth V. I've been somewhat preoccupied elsewhere.

By the way, I have three orders for American goods...

1. Warta Endor
2. Brinkman
3. Dwafeledia Prime

Are there any more? I need to know so I can ramp up production of the equipment (won't be ready until mid-2007 or late-2007 due to the necessary ramp up of production)

Can I get rush order. I really need them.

ummm... can we have orders in the IC thread - at the least? It's probably best to have orders directly on the storefront thread, but seriously, posting IC stuff in an ooc thread is very very bad when it comes to sourcing stuff in actual RPs.

Sharnia you need to set up a store front.

OCC: Is this RP still open? If so, has anyone claimed Italy? Also, if I joined and I'm assumeing their is a Earth V region (as I'm not sure), would I have to move to that Region or could I stay in the region I'm already in, which is the West Pacific btw.

Thanks, ahead of time for answering my questions.

Italy is really not a good choice. I have Sardinia, and Great Romeo's in the process of invading (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11533295&postcount=18) the rest of Italy as we speak (or write, I should say ;)). But there's still a lot of land left, look at the map in this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109) for details. Of course, it's still possible to claim mainland Italy and defend it from the onslaught, but I always advise against anyone claiming land that's set to be taken over.

There is no Earth V region, so don't worry about that.

I would suggest taking Spain, since Spain is similar to Italy.

Indiana, Kansas, North Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia are under invasion by the CSA.

Sharina is subverting Illionis, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin into Sharina. (and probably be the last North American expansion for Sharina)

Italy is really not a good choice. I have Sardinia, and Great Romeo's in the process of invading (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11533295&postcount=18) the rest of Italy as we speak (or write, I should say ;)). But there's still a lot of land left, look at the map in this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109) for details. Of course, it's still possible to claim mainland Italy and defend it from the onslaught, but I always advise against anyone claiming land that's set to be taken over.

There is no Earth V region, so don't worry about that.

I would suggest taking Spain, since Spain is similar to Italy.

I understand your point about claiming any land thats about to being taken over, but knowing the way I am, I just sit in Spain and scream, NO, I'M PEACEFUL DON'T ATTACK ME!. This way as Italy, I get right into the action. Besides, I could call for help right, make an alliance? If, Great Romeo doesn't mind RP a hard fought war. I'm game.

So, if I can. I'll take Italy please, it says I can also take another nation if you have a population over 500 million. Which I do, I have around 4 billion or so. If thats so I also take Slovenia. It, also says I can claim an Island, is it possible to claim Corsica, as I couldn't find it in the claim section or is Corsica consider part of France? Since, both Italy and Slovenia are being attack by Romeo, I can RP for them. Besides even if I lose, it should be fun.

Let me know, thanks.

I understand your point about claiming any land thats about to being taken over, but knowing the way I am, I just sit in Spain and scream, NO, I'M PEACEFUL DON'T ATTACK ME!. This way as Italy, I get right into the action. Besides, I could call for help right, make an alliance? If, Great Romeo doesn't mind RP a hard fought war. I'm game.

So, if I can. I'll take Italy please, it says I can also take another nation if you have a population over 500 million. Which I do, I have around 4 billion or so. If thats so I also take Slovenia. It, also says I can claim an Island, is it possible to claim Corsica, as I couldn't find it in the claim section or is Corsica consider part of France? Since, both Italy and Slovenia are being attack by Romeo, I can RP for them. Besides even if I lose, it should be fun.

Let me know, thanks.

Dude. You wont have time to create a military. You cant use your normal military you already have. You have to buy from other nations. It will take at least a half a E5 year to make a military. So just claimsothing else.

Dude. You wont have time to create a military. You cant use your normal military you already have. You have to buy from other nations. It will take at least a half a E5 year to make a military. So just claimsothing else.

He CAN claim the RL military of whatever was existing there - Spain or Italy, or whatever... but after that, he must use EV storefronts/military surplus sales to supplant any military after that.

Sharina is subverting Illionis, Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin into Sharina. (and probably be the last North American expansion for Sharina)

damn right! there's nothing else to claim!

Dude. You wont have time to create a military. You cant use your normal military you already have. You have to buy from other nations. It will take at least a half a E5 year to make a military. So just claimsothing else.

I rather claim Italy, besides depending on how long the war lasts, that should give me enough time using the existing forces of those nations which in fact are quite large, which I already know their strength and equipment they use. Using those forces to hold the line until I can create new forces, bring in additional forces from other nations as allies or buy new equipment.

I'm up for the challenge if its ok with Romeo and The Great Sixth Reich.

damn right! there's nothing else to claim!

I own Indiana - apart from that, that's one tidy job with the USA.

I own Indiana - apart from that, that's one tidy job with the USA.

:D wanna start a war because the World Cartography Institute drew the map wrong? :D

Well the map is right - the claim is wrong. I'll fix it.



ADD>>> wait, I screwed that up...

I probably won't invade anything in mainland Asia soon. I'm busy with my Military Modernization and I don't want to fight a real (player vs. player) war yet.

EDIT: But I AM interested in Australia ladies and gentlemen...;)

I'll send some sort of expedition force soon.

I rather claim Italy, besides depending on how long the war lasts, that should give me enough time using the existing forces of those nations which in fact are quite large, which I already know their strength and equipment they use. Using those forces to hold the line until I can create new forces, bring in additional forces from other nations as allies or buy new equipment.

I'm up for the challenge if its ok with Romeo and The Great Sixth Reich.
There's only one problem, and it's a bureaucratic problem. You need to declare your military in the military claims thread before you can fight. However, it can't be your NS military. You also have no idea ICly that Great Romeo is going to attack, and that's a problem as well.

If you're up to the challenge:

Following Sharina's population budget rules and Sharina's military rules, post an accurrate military declaration in the military declaration thread. (Remember that you don't have Sardinia since I have it).
RP how your government overcame the Vinayardian rebels currently in Italy and rose to power.
Get ready OOCly for war, but you can't ICly since your government has no clue of the oncoming attack yet.

But to be honest, it really doesn't look like you could win this war. It doesn't seem like you'll have enough time to retake Italy from the Vineyardian rogues and get your military prepared for a major war, not to mention taking care of the bureaucratic requirements.

Consider claiming Portugal, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, Sweden, or Finland instead if you want a European country before you try this really difficult path.

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Important edit: Vineyard actually RPed defeating the Italian military a while ago with my assistance, so that's yet another problem for you if you go that route. You'll have to have a considerably weaker force.

actually, while I don't particularly like reservations on RP threads, it would be better if you started as Sweden and Finland, as the last guy who had those two territories quit...

but, it would be really neat to have a three-front war on one territory!!! go whatever you want to do - in any case, you'll still have the investments to make in this.

Besides, I'm still a little wary of "walk in claims"- TGSR knows what I mean. For those who don't know, "walk in claims" means people who claim land then never bother to RP it out (or make one OOC or IC post every 2 or 3 months or something like that).
Replying to a "very" old post, july 18 or something.

I think we have a couple of walk in claims, and that's not good. I can see a couple of "important" nations that haven't been RP with. What shall we do about it?

Replying to a "very" old post, july 18 or something.

I think we have a couple of walk in claims, and that's not good. I can see a couple of "important" nations that haven't been RP with. What shall we do about it?
Delete the nation from the claims list if they don't RP at all in a couple months, after I send them an automatic (as in exactly identical copy and pasted) telegram politely warning them, or we find out that the nation in question simply vanished from the game from the last time we checked (which actually happens sometimes).

Speaking of that, ALM really needs to clear up Spain, Portugal, and that guy's other claim.

I will work on that. I know that there's some other nations, but I didn't if I could erase them; here they are:

Frigidaqua: North Sea Island
New Slovakia: China [Northwest, Northeast, Southeast]
Military Command: France, Japan, USA [Michigan, Ohio]
Zelron: India
[NS]Kreynoria: Kenya, Madagascar, Tanzania
Lylybium: Lebanon, Syria [Western]
Lexington SC: Russia [Sakhalin Island], USA [Oklahoma, South Carolina] [he's a relative new poster, but he hasn't posted since then...]

I will take care of Spain and the others, but please tell about these before I delete them.

The Protectorate of Frigidaqua is the third state of the Republican Republic of Great Romeo with a semi-sovereign government. The first state is Serbia, the second is Romania, the third is Frigidaqua, the fourth is Costa Rica.

ok... I did not knnow that... will change it...

Dude you need to chill. Your acting very inmature. Seriously you need to stop saying everythings a godmod that you dont like.

Okay... I said it was my last post, and I'm keeping my word. <<< Actually, I didn't say it, but TG6R said it anyway, so it's here.

I have not said any of your stuff was godmod, up until this point. Quite frankly, your industry advances too quickly to be realistic. One part, you're investing in uber-tanks and vehicles, while maintaining a large reserach in space exploration, during which time - in 1.5 years - you've managed to set up an entire nuclear deterrent system. Not to mention that your company exports a lot of equipment based on unreasonable stats, notably your carriers and battleships. There is no capable industry able to manufacture all of that equipment - and at this point, I'm quite ready to say that your industry isn't capable of manufacturing any of that equipment. For one, your economy would be shatters after all of this investment, and so few buyers. You're creating too much of a supply for the demand that is available to you.

I can understand most of that stuff, but there is absolutely no possibility that your country can have any effective space program in 1.5 years, let alone an entire nuclear deterrent system. For one, the space program in the US and USSR began after WWII and didn't really give any productive yield until 10 years later - and even then, they borrowed much of their technology from the Germans. China has been developing their space program since the 60's [I'm not certain of this, but it's still a long time regardless], with development of long-range missiles and only recently launched men into space.

In all, considering the sum of your projects, I have no doubt that this is all BS. Either you market cheap stuff [which you don't], your economy isn't up to par [which I'd doubt that you'd concede], or this is all BS. I'm sorry for this long rant, but I've had pretty much enough of this junk.

I have to agree with ALM. However, I will note that any attempt to initiate the Samson plan will result in Israel being overrun and her population slaughtered like diseased cattle.

I have to agree with ALM. However, I will note that any attempt to initiate the Samson plan will result in Israel being overrun and her population slaughtered like diseased cattle.

I agree with the latter comments. Oh, I love the irony!

Okay... I said it was my last post, and I'm keeping my word. <<< Actually, I didn't say it, but TG6R said it anyway, so it's here.

I have not said any of your stuff was godmod, up until this point. Quite frankly, your industry advances too quickly to be realistic. One part, you're investing in uber-tanks and vehicles, while maintaining a large reserach in space exploration, during which time - in 1.5 years - you've managed to set up an entire nuclear deterrent system. Not to mention that your company exports a lot of equipment based on unreasonable stats, notably your carriers and battleships. There is no capable industry able to manufacture all of that equipment - and at this point, I'm quite ready to say that your industry isn't capable of manufacturing any of that equipment. For one, your economy would be shatters after all of this investment, and so few buyers. You're creating too much of a supply for the demand that is available to you.

I can understand most of that stuff, but there is absolutely no possibility that your country can have any effective space program in 1.5 years, let alone an entire nuclear deterrent system. For one, the space program in the US and USSR began after WWII and didn't really give any productive yield until 10 years later - and even then, they borrowed much of their technology from the Germans. China has been developing their space program since the 60's [I'm not certain of this, but it's still a long time regardless], with development of long-range missiles and only recently launched men into space.

In all, considering the sum of your projects, I have no doubt that this is all BS. Either you market cheap stuff [which you don't], your economy isn't up to par [which I'd doubt that you'd concede], or this is all BS. I'm sorry for this long rant, but I've had pretty much enough of this junk.


Ok I'll delay my Nuclear Deterant for a couple of years.

Upon review, there's a lot more nations that have only made one post... more than what 5 seconds can permit to write...

Remove them all.

If ANY Nations launch Nuclear missiles. Dweladelfia prime will Interdic these missiles in flight, and military Action will be taken on the nations that launched those missiles.
OOC:
I think you have forgotten a very important thing about Earth V.

WE ARE LIMITED TO REALISTIC THINGS HERE! And RL-based equipment. No Brazilian Star Wars, No "double size way bigger than Nimitz class"-carriers.

You haven't RP'd a single research of either space-stuff or naval stuff. You don't have the capability to manufacture the things you have. You don't have the capability to build nuclear powered ships/submarines. Thats godmoding.

The same goes for Sistan's aircraft carriers. Iran doesn't carriers at all, and he hasn't showed us a source to that.

And you can relax, I'm not going to send nukes somewhere, all I've done is prepared a couple of Jericho-2 missiles with both nuclear warheads AND conventional warheads. Calm down dude...

KEEP ALL ARMY/NAVY/AIR FORCE based on RL-stats. That's the rules.

Ok, now I'm calm.

OOC:

The same goes for Sistan's aircraft carriers. Iran doesn't carriers at all, and he hasn't showed us a source to that.

1. Sistan isn't RPing as Iran, hes roleplaying as Sistan.

2. The USS Langley (CV-1) would like a word with you (merchant-to-carrier conversion).

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h81000/h81279.jpg

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/g420000/g424475.jpg

True, but given the size of the population of Sistan's territories and geographical location, an aircraft carrier wouldn't really be neccessary.

OOC:
1. Sistan isn't RPing as Iran, hes roleplaying as Sistan.
True, but that doesn't change the fact that his RL-nation is Iran, and that's the country he has to base his military stats on. Just like everybody else in Earth-V.

And Sistan hasn't only boosted up the navy, the same goes for the air force. According to globalsecurity Iran has 0 bombers, Sistan has 1,440 B1K1 bombers (whatever that is).
RL Iran has 302 fighters (and about 172 of them are mission capable) but sistan has 3,995.

I think we need a decision from the mods if it's okay to come up with whatever figures you feel? If that's the case I must redo my military stats. But I rather think we should keep the RL-base rule.

EDIT: I don't want a OOC-fight about this, I think we just might decide what the rules says.

There's only one problem, and it's a bureaucratic problem. You need to declare your military in the military claims thread before you can fight. However, it can't be your NS military. You also have no idea ICly that Great Romeo is going to attack, and that's a problem as well.

If you're up to the challenge:

Following Sharina's population budget rules and Sharina's military rules, post an accurrate military declaration in the military declaration thread. (Remember that you don't have Sardinia since I have it).
RP how your government overcame the Vinayardian rebels currently in Italy and rose to power.
Get ready OOCly for war, but you can't ICly since your government has no clue of the oncoming attack yet.

But to be honest, it really doesn't look like you could win this war. It doesn't seem like you'll have enough time to retake Italy from the Vineyardian rogues and get your military prepared for a major war, not to mention taking care of the bureaucratic requirements.

Consider claiming Portugal, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, Sweden, or Finland instead if you want a European country before you try this really difficult path.

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Important edit: Vineyard actually RPed defeating the Italian military a while ago with my assistance, so that's yet another problem for you if you go that route. You'll have to have a considerably weaker force.

First off, I have decided to take the difficult path and hereby wish to claim Italy and Slovenia as my two nations. And if possible to claim the Island of Corsica. If it is not possible to claim the Island of Corsica, could I claim Albania?

Next, The Great Sixth Reich- Do you control all of Sardinia or as it says in the map claim section just the southern sector? Also, if you could or someone else could provived me with all available information on these Vineyardian rogues. Specifly, what is their strength, have they sieze complete power in Italy or are they just a small group making trouble? What parts of Italy do they control if any? Are they being supported by any other nations? Direct links telling about them would be the most helpful. This way it would help me determine IC what would be the best way to overcome them. Thanks.

I made one up using some rules I found, but I was unable to find Sharina's population budget rules and Sharina's military rules. If you have a direct link to the thread or post where he posted them I check them with the rules I found in the meantime as per your request heres the military declaration- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11539814&postcount=17

Last, even if I lose as Italy, I could always claim another nation right? So, I got nothing to lose.

True, but that doesn't change the fact that his RL-nation is Iran, and that's the country he has to base his military stats on. Just like everybody else in Earth-V.

And Sistan hasn't only boosted up the navy, the same goes for the air force. According to globalsecurity Iran has 0 bombers, Sistan has 1,440 B1K1 bombers (whatever that is).
RL Iran has 302 fighters (and about 172 of them are mission capable) but sistan has 3,995.

I think we need a decision from the mods if it's okay to come up with whatever figures you feel? If that's the case I must redo my military stats. But I rather think we should keep the RL-base rule.

EDIT: I don't want a OOC-fight about this, I think we just might decide what the rules says.

Actually, I have a mixed opinion on this.

On one hand, I believe that some of Sistan's stuff is kind of realistic. He's playing an alternate history version of Iran / Persia, so his Iran might not be "OMG! I hate non-Muslims!" like RL, or his Iran might engage in a military buildup and build bombers, aircraft, etc. For example, whoever's playing China now (forgot who) may RP China as a warmonger non-commie nation, or a peace-loving hippie nation, and a warmonger military would be much greater than a peace-loving hippie nation.

On the other hand, some stuff like 3,000 fighters is kind of excessive for a nation of his size and geography- my primary concern with excessive numbers like that is "Where does he get the resources to build all of these?" or "Who is helping him build these?".

Maybe 1,000 to 1,500 fighters would be more reasonable or something.

Keep in mind, we're using converted NS budgets adjusted to fit into RL populations, and the players are free to do whatever they want with their military budgets- if they want a mega airforce, they can have that but consquently they will have a weaker Army and Navy as a result.

Sharina is being very intelligent today...as always :p

I agree with Sharina, it's ok to have a large Air Force or Army or Whatever (within reason of course) but your other Branches of your Armed Forces will suffer. Like I favour my Marine Corps and Navy; my Army and Air Force aren't as good as they (but they aren't neglected either).

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OOC:
I think you have forgotten a very important thing about Earth V.

WE ARE LIMITED TO REALISTIC THINGS HERE! And RL-based equipment. No Brazilian Star Wars, No "double size way bigger than Nimitz class"-carriers.

You haven't RP'd a single research of either space-stuff or naval stuff. You don't have the capability to manufacture the things you have. You don't have the capability to build nuclear powered ships/submarines. Thats godmoding.

The same goes for Sistan's aircraft carriers. Iran doesn't carriers at all, and he hasn't showed us a source to that.

And you can relax, I'm not going to send nukes somewhere, all I've done is prepared a couple of Jericho-2 missiles with both nuclear warheads AND conventional warheads. Calm down dude...

KEEP ALL ARMY/NAVY/AIR FORCE based on RL-stats. That's the rules.

Ok, now I'm calm.


Dude shut up. Your being inmature. The whiole Porpose of NS is to have the nation of your dreams and your tell us you cant. The reson were rping stuff is becasue We want alternent future for each of our nations So mind your own nation and let us run ours. And if you wernt blind you culd see i took my double sized aircaft carriers off the list.

Dude shut up. Your being inmature. The whiole Porpose of NS is to have the nation of your dreams and your tell us you cant. The reson were rping stuff is becasue We want alternent future for each of our nations So mind your own nation and let us run ours. And if you wernt blind you culd see i took my double sized aircaft carriers off the list.

Dude, really, calm down. I know we all want the nation and military of our dreams, but we chose to do this realistic, remember? I had my military of my dreams as well, and that didn't even come outta nowhere.

Dude, really, calm down. I know we all want the nation and military of our dreams, but we chose to do this realistic, remember? I had my military of my dreams as well, and that didn't even come outta nowhere.

Ok My military is realistic. Theres nothing wronge with it and none of my equipment is a godmod.

Dude shut up. Your being inmature. The whiole Porpose of NS is to have the nation of your dreams and your tell us you cant. The reson were rping stuff is becasue We want alternent future for each of our nations So mind your own nation and let us run ours. And if you wernt blind you culd see i took my double sized aircaft carriers off the list.
You need do calm down. Every time something is against you, you're starting to scream and yell.

If you want the nation of your dreams, with whatever military you want, you need to stay out of Earth-V because we're staying realistic here. In NS (non-earth) you don't have that limit.

If every single nation would build their own nuclear submarines and nuclear carriers, then we're going to loose the reality, that's the thing I'm against.

Why buy from each other (or your store) when you can build it yourself?

You need do calm down. Every time something is against you, you're starting to scream and yell.

If you want the nation of your dreams, with whatever military you want, you need to stay out of Earth-V because we're staying realistic here. In NS (non-earth) you don't have that limit.

If every single nation would build their own nuclear submarines and nuclear carriers, then we're going to loose the reality, that's the thing I'm against.

Why buy from each other (or your store) when you can build it yourself?

Dude do you see anywere were Im screeming? No.... And dude you need to stop acting like an idiot becasue you are. You are the one that needs to calm down. Your whinning because your not getting your own way. I will make my own things if I want to make my own things.

Dude do you see anywere were Im screeming? No.... And dude you need to stop acting like an idiot becasue you are. You are the one that needs to calm down. Your whinning because your not getting your own way. I will make my own things if I want to make my own things.

I'm glad I just came because I don't much in the way of heated emotions.

I think you ought to look at other people's military threads and storefronts to see what kind of stuff they're building. Then look at the nations that build them. Then look at their RPing style and developments. The difference between them [on the most part] and you is that your developments are all of the sudden and without much support - economic, military, social, political, etc, whereas most others will often have some development and a reasonable threshold for the management of their policies.

And as a note of personal criticism, there's a reason why not too many people like you in EII, and half of it isn't your grammar and spelling - whenever someone criticizes you, you become uber-defensive and very prone to insulting and more often to the "I'M GOING TO DO IT MY WAY" sort of tirades. No one likes that at all, and while you do make an effort, no one wants to deal with you when you start acting like this. If you want their opinion, ask them directly and see what kind of opinions you get.

I think you have forgotten a very important thing about Earth V.

WE ARE LIMITED TO REALISTIC THINGS HERE! And RL-based equipment. No Brazilian Star Wars, No "double size way bigger than Nimitz class"-carriers.

You haven't RP'd a single research of either space-stuff or naval stuff. You don't have the capability to manufacture the things you have. You don't have the capability to build nuclear powered ships/submarines. Thats godmoding.

The same goes for Sistan's aircraft carriers. Iran doesn't carriers at all, and he hasn't showed us a source to that.

And you can relax, I'm not going to send nukes somewhere, all I've done is prepared a couple of Jericho-2 missiles with both nuclear warheads AND conventional warheads. Calm down dude...

KEEP ALL ARMY/NAVY/AIR FORCE based on RL-stats. That's the rules.

Ok, now I'm calm.

On reflection in general, there's a lot of uberish military stats still out, which makes military comparisons and intel very very difficult. For the NS-based, there are often no links to support the military development of these weapons and equipment.

I do agree that Sistan's armed forces are a little on the high mark, despite the fact that most of his army is actually based off RL stats - the difference between RL Iran and Sistan is troop inflation, which is granted to happen at some point. However, in comparing Sistan's troops and budgets with other comparable nations, his seems to have more men and less finances to support them. But I don't mean pick him out, because he isn't only one and he's actually one of the better military stats that I've seen [with the exception of the Cirrus carriers, which are supposedly refurnished civilian freighter vessels or whatnot].

And on a side note, the next time you post a SIC nuclear threat, do somewhere more secure and out of the reach of the general OOC chatter, because that's startled a lot of people.

You need do calm down. Every time something is against you, you're starting to scream and yell.

If you want the nation of your dreams, with whatever military you want, you need to stay out of Earth-V because we're staying realistic here. In NS (non-earth) you don't have that limit.

If every single nation would build their own nuclear submarines and nuclear carriers, then we're going to loose the reality, that's the thing I'm against.

Why buy from each other (or your store) when you can build it yourself?

I think that we have agreed to RP this as realistically as possible [it's not going to be realistic in any league, but we can try to the utmost best of our ability...]. But on another hand, I don't mind it if people want to build the army of their dream - it just has to be done realistically. With that in mind, I think that we ought to make an economy thread, so we can monitor our economic activity better and with more general consensus, because a lot of the godmod militaries come from the fact that people don't care how much money it really costs to do something.

I was surveying the E20 thread, and they've got a nice system of "points" which I really like, because it's uniform and no one can really argue against. I'm not suggesting that we use points, but something needs to be done about it or else the realism aspect is going to die quickly.

I was surveying the E20 thread, and they've got a nice system of "points" which I really like, because it's uniform and no one can really argue against. I'm not suggesting that we use points, but something needs to be done about it or else the realism aspect is going to die quickly.

The only problem with this sytem is that it takes a sh*tload of work. I used to play E20 but I hadn't enough time to RP it properly and play it well. I would certainly oppose a fairly difficult point system as in E20. If you don't have enough time to calculate it all, you're wasted.

The only problem with this sytem is that it takes a sh*tload of work. I used to play E20 but I hadn't enough time to RP it properly and play it well. I would certainly oppose a fairly difficult point system as in E20. If you don't have enough time to calculate it all, you're wasted.

I'm not suggesting that we use points, but something needs to be done about it or else the realism aspect is going to die quickly.

I realize that points are much more difficult to work with than NS/RL economy re-works [which I could probably do in two minutes max, given my current DL speed]. But that still doesn't erode at the fact someone/something should be checking over economies to make sure that the economic activities of certain nations are reasonable.

I totally agree with that. My Education and other Government Services will slump a little since I spend truckloads of money in modernizing my military. Untill my local factories get up and running I'll have to import every single pieve of equipment. But once I'm finished with my modernization, I can reduce spending on my military and increase it in other fields etc.

Ok seriously. Deal with it. i will have What i want in my military if I want it.

Ok seriously. Deal with it. i will have What i want in my military if I want it.
Seriously, you can, I agree to that. But not in Earth-V.

Ok, now we have to go on with the RP's. I'm not going to borther about that anymore.

Seriously, you can, I agree to that. But not in Earth-V.

Ok, now we have to go on with the RP's. I'm not going to borther about that anymore.

Lets jsut stop....

True, but that doesn't change the fact that his RL-nation is Iran, and that's the country he has to base his military stats on. Just like everybody else in Earth-V.

And Sistan hasn't only boosted up the navy, the same goes for the air force. According to globalsecurity Iran has 0 bombers, Sistan has 1,440 B1K1 bombers (whatever that is).
RL Iran has 302 fighters (and about 172 of them are mission capable) but sistan has 3,995.

I think we need a decision from the mods if it's okay to come up with whatever figures you feel? If that's the case I must redo my military stats. But I rather think we should keep the RL-base rule.

EDIT: I don't want a OOC-fight about this, I think we just might decide what the rules says.

The nice thing about my Tigersharks (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/Nightbane/B1K1.png) and Qeshms (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/Nightbane/A1K2.png) is that they're very cheap and easy to mass produce, and don't require much maintenance or modern facilities to operate in the field.

But trust me, my military isn't even started.

The nice thing about my Tigersharks (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/Nightbane/B1K1.png) and Qeshms (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v186/Nightbane/A1K2.png) is that they're very cheap and easy to mass produce, and don't require much maintenance or modern facilities to operate in the field.

But trust me, my military isn't even started.
OK, I didn't know that they were small propeller-planes, makes more sense now.

If you'd been reading my opening thread and Asherton's, you'd have noticed that I was making heavy use of prop driven attackers and bombers.

Jesus. It would be an interesting war to have with Dweladelfia prime :D

South Africa intends to annex Botswana. Im writing the R.p. as we speak. That ok with you guys.... :)

Jesus. It would be an interesting war to have with Dweladelfia prime :D

y?

im a bit unfamilliar with the fundamentals of godmodding but hey even if you are Infringing atleast its an elaborate go mod... :p not just 2 paragraphs where one million infantrymen and no logistical support invade a neighbouring country...

Brazil has huge potential as a nation (In R.L.) and you do have an abundance of resources in the massive space of land your nation encompasses. I believe it would be feasible in perhaps 100 years to become the massive super power you claim to be.

I mean look at the 19th century. who would have predicted Americas metoric rise to power???? In the middle 19th century it was drawfed by all the major European powers but now...

Todays its Chinas turn and then....

so anyways i digress... It is possible for you to become a world power but not in that limited time frame you set yourself. ( you need time to stamp out the Epidemic of corruption and bad management in Brazils system)

anyways Good luck :)

There's been a complication in the claim to Italy and Slovenia. Both claims are frozen, as is Great Romeo's invasion, until it is resolved.

EDIT: Get ready for some serious RPing. We're settling everything IC, but it's going to be complicated than we all thought. ;)

First off, I have decided to take the difficult path and hereby wish to claim Italy and Slovenia as my two nations. And if possible to claim the Island of Corsica. If it is not possible to claim the Island of Corsica, could I claim Albania?
Corsica, Italy, and Slovenia may be your starting point. But I decided to not to give anyone formal possession until the war is over.

Next, The Great Sixth Reich- Do you control all of Sardinia or as it says in the map claim section just the southern sector? Also, if you could or someone else could provived me with all available information on these Vineyardian rogues. Specifly, what is their strength, have they sieze complete power in Italy or are they just a small group making trouble? What parts of Italy do they control if any? Are they being supported by any other nations? Direct links telling about them would be the most helpful. This way it would help me determine IC what would be the best way to overcome them. Thanks.
I control southern Sardinia.
The Vineyardians have two infantry divisions (one in Bologna, one further down the peninsula) and a marine division (in Sicily).
They technically control all of Italy, but don't have an internationally recognized government.
They had logistical and military supply backing from me back in the good days, but no longer do. However, they do have leftover oil supplies stockpiled throughout Italy from the old Vineyardian Empire.
Wait before starting the RP. Someone wanting to get involved is having some problems with the Jolt interface.

I made one up using some rules I found, but I was unable to find Sharina's population budget rules and Sharina's military rules. If you have a direct link to the thread or post where he posted them I check them with the rules I found in the meantime as per your request heres the military declaration- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11539814&postcount=17
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11529705&postcount=616

After that, do this:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11502964&postcount=520

Last, even if I lose as Italy, I could always claim another nation right? So, I got nothing to lose.
Normally that would not be the case. I'll allow a rare special exception, as long as it's nearby and could be IC sense.

Corsica, Italy, and Slovenia may be your starting point. But I decided to not to give anyone formal possession until the war is over.

Thats acceptable and fine with me.

I control southern Sardinia.
The Vineyardians have two infantry divisions (one in Bologna, one further down the peninsula) and a marine division (in Sicily).
They technically control all of Italy, but don't have an internationally recognized government.
They had logistical and military supply backing from me back in the good days, but no longer do. However, they do have leftover oil supplies stockpiled throughout Italy from the old Vineyardian Empire.
Wait before starting the RP. Someone wanting to get involved is having some problems with the Jolt interface.

Ok, just let me know when your ready to start. And thanks for all the information about the Vineyardians, thats exactly what information I wanted. Thanks again.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11529705&postcount=616

After that, do this:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11502964&postcount=520

Done, I followed all those rules and have readjusted the budget to match those rules, thanks for the links.


Normally that would not be the case. I'll allow a rare special exception, as long as it's nearby and could be IC sense.

Well two points. Yes, I would keep it close, as somewhere in Europe. Namely Spain and Portugal or Sweden and Finland. But, I was also thinking. Even if I lose, I could RP a revolution in Italy where the Italian people try to regain their own homeland at whatever cost.

Again thanks for all the help with the links and everything.

Can i Claim Sweden?

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Can i Claim Sweden?

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If I were you, I would have claimed both Sweden and Finland, and probably even Estonia too.

Can i Claim Sweden?

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Ja. Möchtest du Finnland auch?

Ja, selbstverständlich. =]

Okay, I presume that Wolfensland is getting Sweden and Finland?

Okay, I presume that Wolfensland is getting Sweden and Finland?

Yep, sorry, forgot the translation...^^

its ok - I'm not fresh on German [or whatever it is if it isn't German, but I'm prertty familiar with it. [especially the "ja" part of it...]

Map update due.

I was just wondering if Spain and Portugal are open as they are not listed as taken on the map thread. if they are open then could I please claim them. I have a bit of Rping under my belt both with E20(untill the third world war) and several smaller scale RP's.

They're open as far as I know. I'd take Morocco too if I were you.

I wasn't aware I could claim three nations. If that is so then I will claim Morrocco also.

I wasn't aware I could claim three nations. If that is so then I will claim Morrocco also.
Morocco, Spain, and Portugal it is.

It's normally 2.5 or 2.25 nations. But I allow some (older or particularly good) nations to get 3.

Thanks! Im guessing I need a factbook type thread correct?

Thanks! Im guessing I need a factbook type thread correct?
It's not necessary, but it seems like more members are having them recently, so it may be a good idea.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=496090

The founding of the Holy Catholic Empire of Philanchez...

OOC: Welcome Philanchez and Wolfensland (and United Earthlings)!

Good to see some new players here in Earth-V!

it'll be a while before I can get the map updated - things have suddenly become busier than usual [and it's not only the war...]

Sharina has trouble with logging in on Jolt.

You can tell the Earth V'ers that I can't login Jolt for some reason- no subscriptions, no forum access, no threads, etc. I know I'm not banned or anything as I still have my NS nation and I have only been RP'ing in Earth V and E20.

You can also post that Sharina does give approval for urgent Warta Endor purchases (first priority in production) and that Sharina will side with whatever FOAM decides (at least until I can login and make my detailed RP posts again).

So untill he can post again, he will follow FOAM policy.

Good old jolt.

Good old jolt.

indeed. Jolt has been messed up lately. A number of brilliant posts by me have been lost because of this :(

indeed. Jolt has been messed up lately. A number of brilliant posts by me have been lost because of this :(
I'm writing everything in word, and then copy & paste it into jolt. I began to do this after loosing a couple of posts...

I used to do it (after a tip by you if I remember it correctly;) ) but Jolt has behaved for a long time so I stopped doing it. Now I type every IC post in word before I post it on the Forums.

OOC:
TG6R, you may now confirme my invasion of Nigeria as we have arrested the former government and brought them to Algiers where they will meet justice.

We have installed a new local government in the new capital of Lagos.

Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495276)

So is everyone going to ignore my military. If thats the case Im justing going to use Brazils military. But a favor can anybody find me info on what Brazils, Perus, and Bolivas army and navy have? Thanks!

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So is everyone going to ignore my military. If thats the case Im justing going to use Brazils military. But a favor can anybody find me info on what Brazils, Perus, and Bolivas army and navy have? Thanks!

Please Respond to this post

Heres some information dug up from wikipedia, though my best advice is to go the offical websites or something similar to them. Just use your search engine.

Heres what I dug up from wikipedia though, in general they are pretty accurate, but I have found a few mistakes here and their.

1. Brazilian Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Army)

2. Peruvian Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruvian_Army)

3. Couldn't find any information online through Wikipedia but from a book I have it lists it military strength forces as 31,500 personnel with 79.4% of that in the Army, 11.1% in the Navy and 9.5% in the Air Force. Thats Active Duty btw.

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The Great Sixth Reich- Is it possible to start Role Playing now? I haven't heard anymore about the Balkans war and the new Red Sea one seems to be the new thing and I would like to get invovled in this RP ASAP. Let me know, whats going on. Thanks.

Dweladelfia prime: I'll estimate it using SuperPower 2 in a second.

United Earthlings: I'll let you start RPing the planning stage. But unfortunately I can't let you go further, since the one with the corrupted forum link hasn't been able to get onto Jolt yet.

Heres some information dug up from wikipedia, though my best advice is to go the offical websites or something similar to them. Just use your search engine.

Heres what I dug up from wikipedia though, in general they are pretty accurate, but I have found a few mistakes here and their.

1. Brazilian Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Army)

2. Peruvian Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruvian_Army)

3. Couldn't find any information online through Wikipedia but from a book I have it lists it military strength forces as 31,500 personnel with 79.4% of that in the Army, 11.1% in the Navy and 9.5% in the Air Force. Thats Active Duty btw.

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The Great Sixth Reich- Is it possible to start Role Playing now? I haven't heard anymore about the Balkans war and the new Red Sea one seems to be the new thing and I would like to get invovled in this RP ASAP. Let me know, whats going on. Thanks.


Thanks found abucnh of stuff as far as Navy air force and army of Brazil, Im gonna look at peru and bolivia now. Thanks

The Great Sixth Reich- Is it possible to start Role Playing now? I haven't heard anymore about the Balkans war and the new Red Sea one seems to be the new thing and I would like to get invovled in this RP ASAP. Let me know, whats going on. Thanks.

I wouldn't worry too much about the Red Sea War for long - neither Sistan nor Asherton have their military stats posted [at least regarding what's attacking where and how much] - and I insist that I'm not doing anything ICly until then. I've posted mine up, and Kopparbergs and Arabicia haven't exactly posted their stats either, so... that's about it. Until everyone knows who's attacking what and where, it's pretty much stalemated.

RED LIST

These nations have either contributed very little or nothing at all. If you are one of the nations listed below, please post something ASAP:

New Slovakia
Military Command
Maldorians
Zelron
[NS]Kreynoria
Helexeo
Lylybium
Lexington SC

Thanks found abucnh of stuff as far as Navy air force and army of Brazil, Im gonna look at peru and bolivia now. Thanks
Here's an estimation of Bolivia's military:

http://www3.filehost.to/files/2006-08-17_03/201808_Bolivia.jpg

RED LIST

These nations have either contributed very little or nothing at all. If you are one of the nations listed below, please post something ASAP:

New Slovakia
Military Command
Maldorians
Zelron
[NS]Kreynoria
Helexeo
Lylybium
Lexington SC

I'll be happy to help clean up that America map.

Here's an estimation of Bolivia's military:

http://www3.filehost.to/files/2006-08-17_03/201808_Bolivia.jpg

Thanks Got any on Navy and airforce?

Thanks Got any on Navy and airforce?
Bolivia can't have a navy since Bolivia is completely inland. :p

The "Air Force" is simply those transport helicopters and attack helicopters listed.

Bolivia can't have a navy since Bolivia is completely inland. :p

The "Air Force" is simply those transport helicopters and attack helicopters listed.

Actually, Bolivia maintains a quasi-formal navy, on Lake Titicaca... not that's it's strictly militarry anyway...

Well, the Bolivian Navy should be no more than a few patrolboats. I can't imagine CVN's steaming up and down lake Titicaca. Would be funny though :p

And to inform everybody, tomorrow is going to be the big day. Warta Endor will invade Australia! Mwuhahahaha! *Imperial March being played*

Dweladelfia prime: I'll estimate it using SuperPower 2 in a second.

United Earthlings: I'll let you start RPing the planning stage. But unfortunately I can't let you go further, since the one with the corrupted forum link hasn't been able to get onto Jolt yet.

Ok, as long as I can atleast do something. This waiting was driving me nuts. Who's the one who can't get on with the corrupted forum link? I keep an eye out for them.

Ok, as long as I can atleast do something. This waiting was driving me nuts. Who's the one who can't get on with the corrupted forum link? I keep an eye out for them.
You can start everything now! I got him using TG6R Poland.

I'm going to go and edit my military now.

Oh btw.

Sharnia: When are My B series planes gonna be done.?

And I would like to order 20 more F-16s. Thanks

You can start everything now! I got him using TG6R Poland.

Sweet, I'm going to start off with dealing with the vineyards threat.

Is Great Romeo still going to invade Italy or has that been put off?

Also, can I have a link(s) that list whos allied with who and whos at war with who so I now who my friends are and aren't.

I got theirs the FOAM alliance I think its called and then the Red Sea alliance? Are their anymore?

Also, once I got the vineyard threat delt with, one way or another will it be possible to join the United Nations. They are after all right in my backyard, just across the border in Austria.

Also, I'm going to create a Factbook. I think that about covers everything.

Well, the Bolivian Navy should be no more than a few patrolboats. I can't imagine CVN's steaming up and down lake Titicaca. Would be funny though :p

And to inform everybody, tomorrow is going to be the big day. Warta Endor will invade Australia! Mwuhahahaha! *Imperial March being played*

damnit, having you been invading them?

I guess the stripes go up now...

And Vineyards... what exactly do I reinstate?

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Just and FYI to UEarthlings, there are three "major" alliances of which I know. There's FOAM - Sharina, Warta Endor, Persecution and Hatred, and someone else [I don't remember... they also have a thread somewhere...]

There's mine own, the Red Sea Alliance - ALM, Kopparbergs, and Arabicia.

There's IOAS [International Organization of Allied States - I think...] - Indochina, Vietnamexico, and someone else... I don't know if they have one, but I'm pretty certain that I've seen it somewhere before.

As far as I know, these are it. There's also some smaller ones, like the private alliance between TG6R and me, and TG6R and Sistan, and I believe that there's a defacto alliance between TG6R and Great Romeo [defacto as in they support the actions of the other...].

That's about it for the alliances, as far as I know.

If you're looking for allied aid, you probably won't get the best support from the Red Sea Alliance in the first place, because it's somewhat more exclusive and currently engaged against hostiles. But there's still FOAM and IOAS. Good luck and have tons of aspirin available!

damnit, having you been invading them?

I guess the stripes go up now...

And Vineyards... what exactly do I reinstate?

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Just and FYI to UEarthlings, there are three "major" alliances of which I know. There's FOAM - Sharina, Warta Endor, Persecution and Hatred, and someone else [I don't remember... they also have a thread somewhere...]

There's mine own, the Red Sea Alliance - ALM, Kopparbergs, and Arabicia.

There's IOAS [International Organization of Allied States - I think...] - Indochina, Vietnamexico, and someone else... I don't know if they have one, but I'm pretty certain that I've seen it somewhere before.

As far as I know, these are it. There's also some smaller ones, like the private alliance between TG6R and me, and TG6R and Sistan, and I believe that there's a defacto alliance between TG6R and Great Romeo [defacto as in they support the actions of the other...].

That's about it for the alliances, as far as I know.

If you're looking for allied aid, you probably won't get the best support from the Red Sea Alliance in the first place, because it's somewhat more exclusive and currently engaged against hostiles. But there's still FOAM and IOAS. Good luck and have tons of aspirin available!

Thanks

Sweet, I'm going to start off with dealing with the vineyards threat.

Is Great Romeo still going to invade Italy or has that been put off?

Also, can I have a link(s) that list whos allied with who and whos at war with who so I now who my friends are and aren't.

I got theirs the FOAM alliance I think its called and then the Red Sea alliance? Are their anymore?

Also, once I got the vineyard threat delt with, one way or another will it be possible to join the United Nations. They are after all right in my backyard, just across the border in Austria.

Also, I'm going to create a Factbook. I think that about covers everything.
We're pulling back all the way to Serbia.

damnit, having you been invading them?

I guess the stripes go up now...

And Vineyards... what exactly do I reinstate?

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Just and FYI to UEarthlings, there are three "major" alliances of which I know. There's FOAM - Sharina, Warta Endor, Persecution and Hatred, and someone else [I don't remember... they also have a thread somewhere...]

There's mine own, the Red Sea Alliance - ALM, Kopparbergs, and Arabicia.

There's IOAS [International Organization of Allied States - I think...] - Indochina, Vietnamexico, and someone else... I don't know if they have one, but I'm pretty certain that I've seen it somewhere before.

As far as I know, these are it. There's also some smaller ones, like the private alliance between TG6R and me, and TG6R and Sistan, and I believe that there's a defacto alliance between TG6R and Great Romeo [defacto as in they support the actions of the other...].

That's about it for the alliances, as far as I know.

If you're looking for allied aid, you probably won't get the best support from the Red Sea Alliance in the first place, because it's somewhat more exclusive and currently engaged against hostiles. But there's still FOAM and IOAS. Good luck and have tons of aspirin available!
We do have positive relations, but it's mainly economical.

Sharnia: When are My B series planes gonna be done.?

And I would like to order 20 more F-16s. Thanks
I think Sharina still has problems with the buggin jolt. Sharina hasn't been online here for a couple of days...

And you maybe want to RP buying stuff from Sharnia instead of just OOC-orders? I think it was Sistan who said that ordering military stuff isn't just like ordering a hamburger at McDonalds, it a bit more complicated.

Please, don't take this as complains, it's just a tip.

OOC:
TG6R, you may now confirme my invasion of Nigeria as we have arrested the former government and brought them to Algiers where they will meet justice.

We have installed a new local government in the new capital of Lagos.

Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495276)
TG6R, did you see this?

I'll be off now. I bid ye all a good two weeks.

I'm going to go and edit my military now.

Oh btw.

Sharnia: When are My B series planes gonna be done.?

And I would like to order 20 more F-16s. Thanks

As I posted two pages back, Sharina has problems with Jolt and he doesn't have acces to the forums. He send a TG to me:

You can tell the Earth V'ers that I can't login Jolt for some reason- no subscriptions, no forum access, no threads, etc. I know I'm not banned or anything as I still have my NS nation and I have only been RP'ing in Earth V and E20.

You can also post that Sharina does give approval for urgent Warta Endor purchases (first priority in production) and that Sharina will side with whatever FOAM decides (at least until I can login and make my detailed RP posts again).

I'll look for the I think the B series will be finished early 2009, but I have no idea when we enter 2009. I thought we we already RPing 2007, but the Security Council Meeting is in August 2006...:confused:

Ladies and Gentlemen! Send your journalists, the invasion of Australia has begun!

As I posted two pages back, Sharina has problems with Jolt and he doesn't have acces to the forums. He send a TG to me:



I'll look for the I think the B series will be finished early 2009, but I have no idea when we enter 2009. I thought we we already RPing 2007, but the Security Council Meeting is in August 2006...:confused:

Dang I hate jolt.

We're pulling back all the way to Serbia.

Ok, well why you pull back I'm going to advance, the freedom of my nation is at stake and nothing but total victory will stop our cause.

These rebels will be crushed wherever they spawn, no mercy for these rebels!

Dang I hate jolt.

Jolt seems to love you though. :D

TG6R, did you see this?
No. But confirmed now. ;)

ooc: Most peculiar.

When I talked to TG6R, He said I still have Italy. Yet, when I checked the claims list...

Italy-
Mainland, Sicily, and Northern Sardinia:
Souther Sardinia: The Great Sixth Reich

Who has it? Apparently TG6R failed to explain to me what the heck has been going on. I will refrain from RPing until he sorts this sorts this out.

I have had Italy and Slovenia for well over a year Real time. You cannot simply waltz in and claim it as your own. I challenge your claims. You cannot claim territory already owned by another nation.

But, under the circumstances, I am willing to let you launch a rebellion.

ooc: Most peculiar.

When I talked to TG6R, He said I still have Italy. Yet, when I checked the claims list...

Italy-
Mainland, Sicily, and Northern Sardinia:
Souther Sardinia: The Great Sixth Reich

Who has it? Apparently TG6R failed to explain to me what the heck has been going on. I will refrain from RPing until he sorts this sorts this out.

I have had Italy and Slovenia for well over a year Real time. You cannot simply waltz in and claim it as your own. I challenge your claims. You cannot claim territory already owned by another nation.

But, under the circumstances, I am willing to let you launch a rebellion.

From my understanding, no one claims it right now. Its a sort of free for all right now. As I said I controled some parts of it and you control some parts. A civil war has broken out if you like.

Heres where I got that from- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11542794&postcount=692 and from the other post I quoted early. TG6R allowed me to use Italy, Slovenia, and Corsica as a starting point, but not to claim it until the war is over.

You might want to go back and read the last 6-10 pages of this thread, you missed alot.

Anyway, welcome back and I hope that helps explain the current situation.

Oh ok. But we still need to work out who-has-what in Italy and Slovenia.

Seeing the most recent RPs, I would suggest a front somewhere directly south of Rome. You controling the south, and I the North. You having Sardinia and Corsica, I having Elba and Sicily.

Is this agreeable?

Vineyard, great to have you back in the game! To bad with jolt though, I know how it is, I'm posting under Kopparbergs_0 just because Kopparbergs cannot log in...

I cannot find the military rules either, but as I remember them you're allowed to have 2% of your RL-population in the military service, and another 3% (a total of 5%) in the reserves, which you can call in if someone attacks you. If your nation is a "long-time-warmonger", a Korea-style nation, you can have 10% military.

The quality of your troops is calculated of how big your defense budget is and how many troops you do have. Remember that half of the defense-budget is for logistics and to buy new things for, the other half is the one that you should divide with your amount of troops (without logistics) to see the quality. I think that an über-elite soldier, usa-style, should have around $200,000 annualy.

An example (figures taken out of the air):

NS defense budget: $1,000 billion
NS population: 500 million
RL-population: 100 million
Budget ratio: (100/500) 0,2
Earth-V defense budget: (1,000*0,2) 200 million

Allowed military: 2% = 2 million
Reserve: 3% = 3 million

Troop strength
60% logistics = 1.2 million logistics, 0.8 million troops
Troop budget: (50% of defense budget) 100 million
Troop strength: $12,500

This was a really poorly finaced troop, but it was just an example... Hope you get it.

To alleviate any confusion over the current claims in the world, all of the claims in the map thread shown in the following link are considered as accurate as is accepted in the international community [generally...]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109