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does anybody own ascension island? if so, the CWAA wants to buy it and possibly St. Helena
And the reformed confederacy sounds good. now you have to RP the country's beginning

Vineyard's navy is there. The Boer Republik owns it I think.... not sure.

Heh a better name could of been CRAZY TEXAS OIL MILLIONAIRES. (like that dude from the Simpsons) :D

Nah seriously thou i got no Qualms with Coco taking the Confederacy or atleast some of it. but You better R.P. well or RUN will be on your doorstep trying to liberate a state or two.

In a way I agree with Vineyards sentiments regarding Azaha. Its like keeping your car for 5 hours in a two hour parking zone. Imagine saying to the traffic warden. I will be gone for 5 Hours look after car dude.

Presumably the Military or cadets (whats he enlisted for anyways?) internet is restricted thats why he cant respond on N.S.

If this is the case he should email the mods via hotmail e.t.c. notifying them when he will get back.

No biggie really.

Same applies to wartar endor sadly.


I realize this, but I've already talked to Sharina about this. Broach the topic with them.


Vineyard's navy is there. The Boer Republik owns it I think.... not sure.

Boer Republik supposedly moved in with Vineyard's blessings...

what about Sao Tome and Princepe? I really want an island :)

what about Sao Tome and Princepe? I really want an island :)

That can be arranged. I own craps loads of them. And I'm in a getting rid of them mood. :D

If your interested I can send you a TG discussing it in more details.

Koramerica could use some more land too, is there any it could get?

Erm... UE?

Where is your Nuclear Technology RP?

Where is the New Bomber RP?

On top of that, I cant find anything about the "Eurobomber" online. At all. Let me remind you that even if it is being designed IRL (In Real Life) and ATM (At The Moment), you cant have it. It has to be in existance, it has to have been built. Remember all that nEUROn speil? Yes. After all that 'shit' you pulled on me, there is no way you can legitimize making up a new Bomber type that does not physically exist IRL. Even if its on the drawing boards, which I doubt.

Do I have to emphisize the word "Ignored" now, or later?

Is my Modern Tech Storefront ok for Koramerica to buy stuff from? If not do you have Earth V Storefronts?

Is my Modern Tech Storefront ok for Koramerica to buy stuff from? If not do you have Earth V Storefronts?

No and yes.

No and yes.

Ok ... do you have a link to the Earth V Storefront?

Check the Reference Thread. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501393)

Ok ... do you have a link to the Earth V Storefront?

At the moment, there's only SIBAT [Kopparbergs]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495178


There's also EADC, but unfortunately they're unavailable due to the upcoming conflict...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500998

Hopefully, this helps

Ok. I will start an R.P for claiming part of the confederacy to "demonstrate my INCREDIBLE R.P prowess. lol

dont worry Im not that good (yet..... :p)

can somebody telegram me some info about former confederacy in earth V. Who was the Leader and the like......

Failing that Il just look back a few pages and have a look at some R.Ps.

okies heres the start sample. hopes its okayish

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12193649#post12193649post12193649

Posted a preliminary of my military bases and such in the War OOC thread.

I have a couple of concerns though.

First, nuclear weapons are a very serious business. I'd like to see detailed RP'ing regarding its development. As far as I know, the only RL "Nuclear Powers" as of 2007 is the US, UK, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, and possibly Israel (not confirmed as far as I know). Not sure about Germany. North Korea is still in question (it looks like NK has nukes, but could be a hoax to scare the West). For a nation in Earth V to develop nuclear weapons would require a significant RP as it'd be quite a departare from RL.

If we allow any and all nations to have nukes, it would cause problems in RP and the community. Not just the "OMG! n00b n00k!" crap, but also if everybody were armed with nukes, people would be too afraid to do anything procovative in RP, and we'd end up sitting around doing nothing.

Also, if we allow nations to develop nuke weapons that don't have nukes in RL, it'll also set a precedent. It would mean that these nations suddenly can develop F-22's, stealth bombers, Neuron's, nanotechnology weapons, etc. and essentially turn Earth V into a NS'ified Earth.


2. The same concept applies to UE developing the B-1 Lancer type of bomber in Europe. If Vineyard could not build his Neuron bomber then why should UE be able to build his bomber? I'm just debating this point as it will be a slippery slope.

"Hey, UE built his bomber clone of the B-1 Lancer. Now I wanna build a Nimitz clone! I wanna build a Leopard II tank clone! I wanna a T-95 clone!" and so on.

These things *could* occur, but not for a decade as the time required to research, develop, and build prototypes then bring them to full production would take 10 - 20 years in general with today's rapidly evolving technology.

Vineyard- For starters, I just started it. As I said, I had been working on it for years and I wasn't lying. Neither project would take very long to complete, if real nations had the resources and political will that the Republic had. Also, it's not exactly secret if I announce everything I'm doing. You guys are not going to know everything. I did many hours of researching, searching through many documents to make sure I could do what I just said I did.

Sense, you and Sharina brought up the same issue. You can't build the Neuron because time frame wise it won't be operational for many years. If, Earth V is around in 2012 I believe it was at the earliest. Your free to use the Neuron. The same goes for the MEADS air defense system you mentioned in my announcement. It's not expected to be operational till 2014. You've already seen the site for the Neuron, I found two sites confirming what I just said about the MEADS.

The Eurobomber is not a new bomber, it's a locally produced version of the B1B Lancer. As, I will explain to Sharina shortly I do have the technology to build it. I did the research. I'm just calling it the Eurobomber, since it's locally produced.

So, no you don't have to use the word ignore, now or later.

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Sharina- Real Life, my nations have the ability to build nuclear weapons. I have access to Nuclear Technology and a few key Nuclear Weapons. My posts about my Nuclear program just getting started, you see it all come to light in the following weeks.

By precedent, I assume you mean you want to keep your monopoly on them. :rolleyes: If, nations have the technology I don't see why they can't build them. I can site you hundreds of examples of military copies being made and put into service of other countries. If, you didn't know many of the nations I control have access to your technology and military equipment. They also have their own programs if need be to pursue different things. I decided to devote the industries of my countries to the production of a strategic bomber after being refused by Great Romeo to sell me some of his. I decided to make a copy of the B1B, however there we be key differences and you we see them if you give me time to announce them instead of biting off my head.

As to the suddenly of nations developing F-22s and so on, only two ways nations can claim to do that. One, they have access to similar technology-example the new guy wishing to run the confederacy will be able to build F-22s. F-22s are based at certain bases in the United States. If he controls, one of those bases he have access to the plane and hence the technology. Two-nations acquire the production rights to said equipment. I choose to pursue #1. So, your slippery slope is nothing more then flat land.

I never said Vineyard couldn't have his Neuron bomber or fighter, all he has to do is wait till 2012 real time. That's when it will become operational in the real world. However, since two years goes fast here- if he can wait till 2010 I would be more then accepting of him using the Neuron. The neuron is not even in prototype stage, while the B1B has been operational for over 20 years. How you two can compare them the same is beyond me. :confused:

10-20 years? Yeah, that's if your starting from nothing and working on a completely new program. Try 1-4 years for making copies. The B1B already exists.

BTW, you guys really need to read what I post All of It. I'm not building it alone, I contacted my ally MC and asked him for his help. We decided to split the cost and production. This would greatly reduce the time, also as I said this was just a prototype. Even, though we built a copy it's still going to need testing to make sure everything works fine. I stated that testing would take at least a year.

I can go on and on- but I think I just dig up all the research I did. If your both are still confused after all that I just typed, then there's nothing more I can say.

First off, UE, my nation has billions of unspent military budget that could be used to make a purchase of the islands.
Second off, the French also have nukes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
If wiki isnt good enough, I'll find better sources.

Just to clear up a couple of things.

1. I'm using the American stuff as an example. It would take time for the nations to lay down the infrastructure, research and develop their own homegrown technology to match the requirement to clone the equipment in question (take the B-2 bomber for example. You would need to spend a decade trying many different combos of composites and testing and everything to come up with a clone of the stealth material. At the same time you'd need to develop engines to relatively match the B-2's requirements. Same goes for electronics and specialized equipment.

Another example would be the UK tanks. You'd need several years to develop a copy of Chobam armor scheme. Or the schemes in the Neuron. Or anything of a sensitive nature. All this is not limited to American stuff.

For easy "slam / bang" stuff like guns, trucks, or engines, the development and cloning process would take far less time to do so. How hard can it be to clone a glorified stick that spits bullets? Or glorified platforms that has 4 wheels?

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm wary of nations developing uber weapons and uber equipment like on NS just because of extrapolations. The stuff like "30-inch cannon-bearing Superdreadnoughts at 1 kilometer long and 5 million tons!" and "Mach 5 fighters that can manuever as well as a F-22!" and "Tanks with 150mm ETC cannons and 5,000mm RHA armor!" (when the best RL tanks have like 1000mm RHA armor I think). "Oooh! I can build railguns because we already have working railguns in RL!" and so on. It could be argued that because the SR-71 Blackbird existed in RL in 1970's / 1980's, NS nations could build fighters based off the SR-71 Blackbird, then go Mach 5 thanks to advanced 2000 era tech. Stuff like that.

That is the exact "Slippery Slope" I'm speaking of.

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In addition, my concern about all these ongoing RP's (nuclear weapons, cloning aircraft, etc.) is that time was essentially frozen when war was declared and UE went on vacation. Even though UE is back, the freeze is still in place because a few other people need to get their military and mobilization and such in place. A few other things need to be resolved as well.

So for all practical purposes, the nuclear stuff doesn't happen before the war because of the freeze on new RP's involving the major powers involved in the war. That means myself, UE, Vineyard, Brinkman's, Great Romeo, and a few others. They can't RP developing new things on the spur of the moment until AFTER the freeze is lifted and at that it will take time to develop as the war goes along (assuming it lasts for as long as Vietnam, WW-1, or WW-2), or go "Oh! I want this shiny weapon to use for the war, so I RP its development as taking place prior to the war even though I know I haven't RP'ed it (much or at all) prior to the war! Lets back-pedal and rewrite history a bit!"

Crude example, I know, but thats the point I'm trying to convey. This doesn't just apply to UE, nor am I trying to single him out. This rule includes ALL of us involved in the war, not just UE. If Great Romeo developed a uber-fighter or uber-tank or what have you, I'll get on his case just the same. Or if it's Vineyard (I did get on his case regarding the Neuron), or Persecution + Hatred. In other words, I'm not trying to single UE out even though it *may* seem like it.

Also, Earth V won't reach 2010 - 2012 tech in-game until we reach 2010 - 2012 in RL which is 4 years from now in real life time. I'm not sure if Earth V or any of us will still be around NS 4 real life years from now.

hmmm South Africa in R.L. had limited Neuclear technology during the apartheid era as a sort of detterent. in R.L. They gave up their arsenal in 1991.

My nations people are in denial about having Nukes much like Isreal is in R.L.

In my Alternative South africa the governments policies changes a bit but did not quite fall and subsuquently still has NUKES.

Also what about the C.S.A when Neuvo rica ran it. it would be interesting if they established a neuclear programme. considering how big her former rival has become......

mmmmm Alternative history....................:D

Small peaceful nations or nations with limited participation should not have Nukes but a huge nation without some sort of detterant would also make that nation submissive to another with a nuclear payload.

Pick your poison i guess. either nobody gets dominated and the whole worlds at a stalemate or large nations without Neuclear defenses get preyed upon.

difficult decision i guess.

Glad im not making it.

Valid points, P+H.

However, some sacrifices have to be made for the sake of RP. Particularly nuclear weapons. I have seen a lot of "OMG! I n00k j00!" in NS, and I definitely do not want this in Earth V. There has been a somewhat unspoken rule in Earth V in which players don't use nukes.

Nukes can lead to huge IGNORE-fests or ret-cons.

Situation:

1. If UE or anyone in general nukes Sharina, then Sharina launches its full nuclear arsenal to carpet nuke the ones responible and possibly their allies. Likewise, the other nations nuke the rest of Sharina and her allies. Everything gets carpet nuked.

2. World civilization ends. Lethal radioactivity all across the globe. Earth V dies.

3. All our previous RP's and hard work was for nothing.

4. Ret-con to prior to nuclear war thus nullifying the nuclear weapons.

This has already happened twice in Earth V history. Once when a player tried to wipe out almost the entirety of North America with a huge EMP wave- I argued that my nuke silos were EMP hardened like in RL, and that I'd nuke any invaders who try to invade me afterwards (a practical RL response). Then a lot of arguing happened, and the whole EMP thing was ret-conned and the EMP player left Earth V.

Then another time with a UFSR-FOAM war. Tenebricosis who was playing Russia back then was working on a cobalt bomb, I believe. I threatened to do a scorched earth policy where I'd nuke my own lands to kill off any invading UFSR forces and deny them bases, food, resources, etc. when significant UFSR forces were forming up near Alaska (another practical RL response- if China invades the US with 2 million soldiers in RL, the US would nuke the Chinese beach-head). Eventually, a consesus was reached that nukes weren't to be used by anyone. Mauiwowee was the only Earth V'er in that era who used nukes, and he used only one aganist an invasion force of Vineyard in the Pacific. No threats of carpet nuking a'la mainstream NS as Mauiwowee was a stellar RP'er and was well respected. Samtonia is the only other Earth V'er to use nukes up to this point and he used them on himself in his RP which is different than multi-nuking another player.

Even if the RUN is allowed to have nukes prior to the war (disregarding the RP freeze), Sharina has thousands of nukes like the RL US (as both RL and Earth V, the majority of US nukes are stationed in the Mid-West and West Coast), enough to carpet nuke the entirety of RUN and have enough to nuke every ally of RUN, and then some.

I think public enemiestan can relate to this...


WHAT GOOD IS A BOMB?!!!!! DANANANANANA :D (Flava flav voice)

Seriously though I think a G8 needs to be established but considering the participants perhaps a G5 would be better.

I.E

1.Sharina/TGSR

2. TGSR/ sharina

3. Alif laam imim

4. Great Romeo

5. Empire of Vineyard/Samtonia/RUN

Just an example Guys dont get huffy about the places. I dont really know whos more powerful and whom.

I have nukes... Ive had the for awhile. After Maui nuked my forces (In International Waters, mind you), I nuked him right back. I forgot which city I took out... Something that starts with an A on the West Coast I believe...

EDIT: Sorry about that folks. The Computer I was using was apparently filtered beyone the point of use.

You forgot which city you obliberated?
:confused:

In addition, my concern about all these ongoing RP's (nuclear weapons, cloning aircraft, etc.) is that time was essentially frozen when war was declared and UE went on vacation. Even though UE is back, the freeze is still in place because a few other people need to get their military and mobilization and such in place. A few other things need to be resolved as well.

From the looks of it while I was gone, time wasn't frozen. I counted around 5-6 new roleplays that were started while I was gone. Added to that, you have all those that were started before the so called war.

After, all that mess with Bangladesh I decided to support ALM's idea. I agree with it fully as it will solve many problems. The war's not frozen and in fact it hasn't even started. It starts when everyone is ready and not before. Second, as I said before- all outstanding Roleplays should be finished up no matter their outcome.

By canceling the freeze, this removes every last headache. Nuke program, building crap, new nations coming about (as I remember we agreed not to do anything with the C.S.A. land. Having a new player come take over the formal lands of the C.S.A. is in essence violation of the agreement and the freeze.), and the finishing of existing Role-plays.

If, you guys want a war which I'm 50-50 on seeing the headaches that have developed. Then, everyone needs to be ready and every issued discussed.

Just some examples- Great Romeo has stated he's going to join. Fine, then he needs to start posting at least one message a day. My allies, what about them? MC, is having internet trouble so he comes and goes, and Moorgtin*[Spelling?] is just about as active as Great Romeo. Is India a target, he's one of my allies but, on leave? The list goes on and on, I'll be glad to make the list so we can address these issues if you guys are serious about a war. All this however, should have been worked out ahead of time. As you can clearly see it wasn't and it now is a big headache.

A war like the one in the works will be massive and will consume all, if not most of our time. With all due respect, I'm not leaving those two roleplays sitting their again like that. I'm finishing them first, the war be damned.

I will freeze no more Roleplays. It just isn't work the headache. I already have added two more posts to my one for Bangladesh and I'm planning on getting one up for Sweden soon.

Sorry, if I sounded rude. However, there is something to be said for being direct and to the point.

From the looks of it while I was gone, time wasn't frozen. I counted around 5-6 new roleplays that were started while I was gone. Added to that, you have all those that were started before the so called war.

After, all that mess with Bangladesh I decided to support ALM's idea. I agree with it fully as it will solve many problems. The war's not frozen and in fact it hasn't even started. It starts when everyone is ready and not before. Second, as I said before- all outstanding Roleplays should be finished up no matter their outcome.

By canceling the freeze, this removes every last headache. Nuke program, building crap, new nations coming about (as I remember we agreed not to do anything with the C.S.A. land. Having a new player come take over the formal lands of the C.S.A. is in essence violation of the agreement and the freeze.), and the finishing of existing Role-plays.

If, you guys want a war which I'm 50-50 on seeing the headaches that have developed. Then, everyone needs to be ready and every issued discussed.

Just some examples- Great Romeo has stated he's going to join. Fine, then he needs to start posting at least one message a day. My allies, what about them? MC, is having internet trouble so he comes and goes, and Moorgtin*[Spelling?] is just about as active as Great Romeo. Is India a target, he's one of my allies but, on leave? The list goes on and on, I'll be glad to make the list so we can address these issues if you guys are serious about a war. All this however, should have been worked out ahead of time. As you can clearly see it wasn't and it now is a big headache.

A war like the one in the works will be massive and will consume all, if not most of our time. With all due respect, I'm not leaving those two roleplays sitting their again like that. I'm finishing them first, the war be damned.

I will freeze no more Roleplays. It just isn't work the headache. I already have added two more posts to my one for Bangladesh and I'm planning on getting one up for Sweden soon.

Sorry, if I sounded rude. However, there is something to be said for being direct and to the point.

While I might agree with you, I think that the solution is not to wank the whole thing until everyone is ready. The truth is... EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN READY FROM THE START.

Especially the attackers - they had two weeks to get their declarations in order . I was under the impression that once I came from Finals [which preluded the whole war since around middle December - the first post on the war is dated 10DEC2006 and states as follows:

As the day wore on, after the chaos in Georgetown began to subside, a great anger began to rise throughout the town, and the rest of the Technocracy. Multiple news channels began to cover the incident within Georgetown, and the news is broadcast through every news media available, including radio, internet, newspapers, and television.

At approximately 6:15 PM, Pacific Standard Time one week after the attacks in Georgetown, the radio and television broadcasts were interrupted by an emergency broadcast. The newscasters were quickly prompted to announce that Grand Technocrat Mina Veristek was to make an address to the nation. Almost immediately afterwards, the television broadcast switched over to the Conference Chamber, where vital press conferences are usually held.

Mina Veristek walked briskly towards the podium in the center of the stage, in front of a large sapphire background with the Sharinan flag within it. The room was quite silent, as the news reporters and journalists dared not to interrupt Mina as she had an angry look on her face. She stared straight at the camera as she began to speak.

[I]"People of Sharina and the world, I come before you today with grim news. Earlier this week, special forces troops attacked and massacred the people of Georgetown in the Cayman Islands. The special force death squad made a grave mistake, as they left evidence. The evidence at the Georgetown Massacre points the finger at the Republic of United Nations. The spent bullet casings, aircraft profiles, and several other pieces of evidence reveal the weapons, ammunition, and such are European in origin.

This horrific atrocity committed by the Republic of United Nations must not be allowed to stand. They killed at least a hundred civilians and several dozen police officers. They even attacked Governor John Ibis of the Cayman Islands inside his own home. The Republic proclaims peace, yet commits in such atrocious actions. This attack upon the Cayman Islands clearly means only one thing- the Republic is planning to invade the Cayman Islands despite proclaiming peace.

The Republic must answer for their crimes today in Georgetown, and the slain civilians shall be avenged. Sharina will not rest until justice is brought upon those responible. The Republic has made a grave mistake by attacking Sharina in such an underhanded and atrocious manner, and now will pay the consquences for doing so.

A state of war now exists between Sharina and the Republic of United Nations.

May fortune be with us, and may it punish the Republic of United nations."

Mina Veristek walked off the stage, and the reporters did not even attempt to shout questions as they knew it was the most inopportune time to do so.

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One word is broadcast through the military bases and assets within Sharina.

"Engage."

Almost immediately, hundreds of warplanes, including B-2's, B-52's, B-70's, F-22's, F-18's, and F-16's began taking off from airbases, while the ones in flight are diverted towards their destinations. Aircraft carriers began launching their F-22 Raptors and bringing their anti-aircraft defenses to maximum readiness. Sharinan warships began bringing their defenses to maximum, while Sharinan submarines began probing the waters for Republic submarines.

The Sharinan fleets began converging upon the Windward Islands and the northern coastlines of Venezula. A taskforce of twenty Sharinan submarines began blockading the Straits of Gilbratar, having departed their Bahamas submarine pens a couple of weeks earlier. Hundreds of Sharinan cruise missile silos began activating throughout the Caribbean.

The cruise missiles roared out of their silos, on a straight course for all Republic naval assets, airfields both military and civilian, and various anti-aircraft defenses such as RADAR stations and SAM batteries.

The aircraft began their bombing runs on similiar targets throughout Venzeula, while a hundred B-2's set out on bombing missions aganist the Republic's military assets within Argentina. A similiar number of B-2's set on a course to attack naval yards and airbases within Republican holdings within Europe.

War has begun.

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EDIT: Tweaked the time interval to make it more realistic / plausible.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12042833&postcount=66

In the immediate moment after that, Sharina and Vineyard posted conflict declarations, although the ones that are currently displayed are significantly more elaborate than was presented. The only side I was actually waiting for was the RUN [along with the allies that supposedly wanted to get into the war - GR, Boer Republik, MC, et cetera...]


This statement - "By canceling the freeze, this removes every last headache." - is completely false, except under one condition [that is, that there is no war, which is what I actually stated]. If you guys are to have war [and it ICly seems so], all that canceling the freeze does is perhaps helps resolve the problems we have NOW, and sets us up for future problems. This solution either avoids the war or delays it, and I'm not willing to delay the war just because several other RPs started up. The world changes, and it's up to those involved to adjust and adapt to them.

You guys can either work on getting this war over, or completely cancel the war - period. Delaying the time freeze is not going to solve the ultimate [that there IS a war and time will be frozen to accommodate it...] - I speculate that it will make more problems than solve them, and at this point, there are few solutions that I can propose that would be as pointed as other [and I've already supplied them]. If need be, I will pull TG6R to wring a definitive resolution to when and how this conflict will start [despite his having done so already...], to which we will begin the conflict as it should have been done well before its time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





EDIT - And just to clarify some issues...

(1)The RUN will not be using nukes or Eurobomber planes, as much as Vineyard will not be using the MEADS system [for different reasons of course...]
(2)Warta Endor and Azaha forces will not be employed by either side for any reason [if only to avoid entangling those countries - if they return and oblige themselves to join the war, they may do so at that time].
(3)The reference for which I have decided to base the time records [until otherwise told, discusses, decided, et cetera] will be 10DEC2006, at the point when Sharina had the reaction to Vineyard's military strike, posed as a RUN strike.
(4)ANY ADDITIONAL OOC COMMENTS HEARD HERE WILL BE IGNORED, on the account that I want people to use the OOC thread generously given by Sharina, and since then heavily endorsed by me.
(5)I'm still waiting for the reaction to the bombings initially proposed and authorized by Sharina and how successful [if at all] they would be.

I think public enemiestan can relate to this...


WHAT GOOD IS A BOMB?!!!!! DANANANANANA :D (Flava flav voice)

Seriously though I think a G8 needs to be established but considering the participants perhaps a G5 would be better.

I.E

1.Sharina/TGSR

2. TGSR/ sharina

3. Alif laam imim

4. Great Romeo

5. Empire of Vineyard/Samtonia/RUN

Just an example Guys dont get huffy about the places. I dont really know whos more powerful and whom.

I would personally agree, but I'd prefer this sort of stuff discussed in the IC thread. The G8 traditionally operates on the assumption of the top 8 [used to be 7 before Russia joined...] Western countries joining together to discuss policies, events, and otherwise important details for the functions of their states and international politics, but given these circumstances, there are definitely other factors to consider when attempting something like this...

Jesus. Man i dont think i want to go to war with anyone here for fear of "NOOBIE GODMOD accusatory backlash."

lol. Nah Im just not good at Military statistics. What military equipment would the South Produce considering it suceeded for the U.S.A? same sort of stuff as the north?

Jack Sickles was Neuvo ricas president right? I couldnt find much Relating to C.S.A here on Earth V except for few annexation threads.

if somebody could help me it would be greatly appreciated.

From the looks of it while I was gone, time wasn't frozen. I counted around 5-6 new roleplays that were started while I was gone. Added to that, you have all those that were started before the so called war.

After, all that mess with Bangladesh I decided to support ALM's idea. I agree with it fully as it will solve many problems. The war's not frozen and in fact it hasn't even started. It starts when everyone is ready and not before. Second, as I said before- all outstanding Roleplays should be finished up no matter their outcome.

By canceling the freeze, this removes every last headache. Nuke program, building crap, new nations coming about (as I remember we agreed not to do anything with the C.S.A. land. Having a new player come take over the formal lands of the C.S.A. is in essence violation of the agreement and the freeze.), and the finishing of existing Role-plays.

If, you guys want a war which I'm 50-50 on seeing the headaches that have developed. Then, everyone needs to be ready and every issued discussed.

Just some examples- Great Romeo has stated he's going to join. Fine, then he needs to start posting at least one message a day. My allies, what about them? MC, is having internet trouble so he comes and goes, and Moorgtin*[Spelling?] is just about as active as Great Romeo. Is India a target, he's one of my allies but, on leave? The list goes on and on, I'll be glad to make the list so we can address these issues if you guys are serious about a war. All this however, should have been worked out ahead of time. As you can clearly see it wasn't and it now is a big headache.

A war like the one in the works will be massive and will consume all, if not most of our time. With all due respect, I'm not leaving those two roleplays sitting their again like that. I'm finishing them first, the war be damned.

I will freeze no more Roleplays. It just isn't work the headache. I already have added two more posts to my one for Bangladesh and I'm planning on getting one up for Sweden soon.

Sorry, if I sounded rude. However, there is something to be said for being direct and to the point.


Hmm but Im a new player. U.E.

empahisis on that.

Not another european/African power seizing power in an AMERICAN nation.

The C.S.A needs some governance. (I know it contradicts the point, but Neuvo Rica left, Azaha did not say he was going to.)

Im open for compromise even though im not legitimate yet. (lol)

(I.e. If I can be the confederacy i would grant ohio and Michigan a referendum on whether they would want to stay in the confederacy or not,They would probably go for independence. so il free up some American land, Same thing applies for the Falkland islands, bermuda.)

Its all cool man, chill......:D

Hmm but Im a new player. U.E.

empahisis on that.

Not another european/African power seizing power in an AMERICAN nation.

The C.S.A needs some governance. (I know it contradicts the point, but Neuvo Rica left, Azaha did not say he was going to.)

Im open for compromise even though im not legitimate yet. (lol)

(I.e. If I can be the confederacy i would grant ohio and Michigan a referendum on whether they would want to stay in the confederacy or not,They would probably go for independence. so il free up some American land, Same thing applies for the Falkland islands, bermuda.)

Its all cool man, chill......:D

I'd be happy to have you in Earth V. As one of the premier mods of Earth V, I can say that you're "in" now.

I'm quite glad to see someone like you who has a good plan, reasonable RP'ing, and taking your pace (trying to pick up the pieces instead of going "BAM! A new nation rises in a nano-second!").

Regarding Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana- you currently control Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi. Thus, Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana are beyond your control unless you either invade them or try to induce them back into the Confederacy (which will be difficult as I'll explain in a bit).

I've already seeded agents and subversive elements within these three states when Military Command sold these states to Nuevo Rico's CSA. Thus, with the collapse of his CSA, it would be quite easy for my agents to spread propganada and pro-Sharina elements, considering Sharina has been a stable nation for decades (in fact the Sharina nation and myself is one of the first members of Earth V when it originally started up). Thus, it is only logical that these three states wouldn't be too eager to join a new CSA.

1. They may doubt whether the new CSA will last. There were two CSA's already (Norleans CSA from back in 04 - 05 in Real life, and Nuevo Rico's CSA from 06' in real life).

2. They look at the CSA rising and falling at least 3 times (counting your version of the CSA), and look across to Sharina which has never collapsed and keeps on growing and stabilizing.

3. These states generally don't agree with CSA policies (dating back to real life Civil War in 1860's).

4. Sharina doesn't mind a new CSA neighbor, and will do whatever it takes to protect the new CSA and the unclaimed states of the US and the other nations in the Americas from European powers. This is based off the original Monroe Doctrine, although Sharina is creating and maintaining a 21st century version of the Monroe Doctrine. This is exactly why Sharina is going to war aganist the Republic of United Nations- RUN for short- (played by United Earthlings), to curtail the RUN's expansion in the Americas.

Hopefully this gives you a better idea of the situation in the Americas. I look forward to your further participation in Earth V, and having a neighbor to roleplay alongside.

lol thanks.

yeah Im granting Michigan and Ohio Independence and a few other states too.

Also Im interested in Joining FOAM. whats the criteria?

Somebody granting a state in their country "independence" Absurd.....:D


most people just go for Joint Military Pacts. I.e. Gabon....

I suppose for RUN you have to define independance.

Id reccomend you to Foam CoCo as you aint that silly.

I pretty much got Mozambique through rigged election. as long as its consistant with an R.P.

I used to be in Earth V, in fact I think I was in it when it first begun. Now that I'm back in NS I'd like to rejoin. Since my old claims have vanished, could I take over all of Korea since its listed as abandoned?

I used to be in Earth V, in fact I think I was in it when it first begun. Now that I'm back in NS I'd like to rejoin. Since my old claims have vanished, could I take over all of Korea since its listed as abandoned?

I remember you from a while ago. I'm glad to see you back on NS.

Earth V has changed somewhat since you were here last. It has a new rule that converts your NS budgets into Earth V budgets and we use RL nation populations instead of NS populations (to avoid wankery and such). We also use RL 2007 technology, not 2020 tech like most of NS (again to avoid NS wank).

I used to be in Earth V, in fact I think I was in it when it first begun. Now that I'm back in NS I'd like to rejoin. Since my old claims have vanished, could I take over all of Korea since its listed as abandoned?

Glad to see a returning member [from before my time :D]

Of course, the map has since changed since TG6R's map list, so for easy reference, here's a map and list of available countries:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109

lol thanks.

yeah Im granting Michigan and Ohio Independence and a few other states too.

Also Im interested in Joining FOAM. whats the criteria?

You have been since added to the list, and I may comment, that you are a prolific writer...

Wirraway, I remember you from "the old days", back in 2004. Great to have you back here, hope you'll find some countries to claim.

CocoMonkey, you've done a great start here in Earth-V. Welcome! (I've sent you a TG with username/pw for the Earth-V World Factbook, www.earthv.net (http://www.earthv.net)).

ALM, I'll respond to the terror in Gaza later today, or more probably tomorror (Saturday).

CWAA, Kopparbergs Africa is satisfied with your action taken in Togo, and king Mohammed will send you a message later - and probably go back to Defcon 4.

Thyrius, Due to lack of time I haven't made anything regarding the northern part of Cameroo. I may not borther about invading you, but if you want me to (to have a RP), I'm game.

Feels good that the ooc-talk about the war seem to move on. Maybe the IC-part will follow soon.

From the OOC-thread, America war:

Kopparbergs = Quite unlikely as the nation has been a friend of Sharina for a while. In fact, it was Kopparbergs that sold Ecaudor to Sharina (if I recall correctly) long ago, and there has never been hostile or ill intent between the two nations. Kopparbergs hasn't expressed any interest in acquiring territory or expanding influence within the Americas.
Yes, you're correct about that. The post where I sold Ecuador to you is HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7979794#post7979794).

The claims thread shows that Korea has been abandoned. Could I take it over?

The claims thread shows that Korea has been abandoned. Could I take it over?

TGSR's lists tend to be slightly out of date.

Koramerica has North Korea, but I think South Korea is free to claim I believe.

TGSR's lists tend to be slightly out of date.

Koramerica has North Korea, but I think South Korea is free to claim I believe.

MC has it. So lets look elsewhere outside of Asia, as most of it is claimed.

Hey guys I'll be gone tomorrow and Sunday so if anybody has any plans with Cameroon we may have to put them on hold for awhile. I responded to our talks ALM and I may have time quick tomorrow to post as well. See everybody on Monday.

Could I claim Ireland, the United Kingdom?

Could I claim Ireland, the United Kingdom?

The UK is being annexed by my nations from sometime before the new year.

Could I claim Ireland, the United Kingdom?
As you already are in Earth-V you must take it by force/RP. Be aware of the fact that Military Command is invading the UK now...

I've started a new thread for reference of the People's Liberation Army, Asian China. I was inspired by Sharina's post (about his bases) in the war of the Americas thread.

There is a skeleton in the thread, and I will continue to update/add more stuff.

This is a complement to my military declaration.

Asian China, Military facts + Orbat [Earth-V] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514307)

Seeing as how not everyone on Earth V has IM clients, I created a Chatsy room for Earth V players, which can be accessed here:

http://www.chatzy.com/480616195449

No password or e-mail or anything like that required- just go there, put your name on, and sign in. Everyone in Earth V is welcome to utilize the room.

From the Military Declarations Thread:

The Democratic Dominion of KorAmerica
Population:

Earth V / N. Korea: 23,113,019 (July 2006 est.)

Koramericas Earth V Military Strength
8,462,500 men in total (Equals 10.0% of the population):
Army (12.0%)
3,000,000 men. 360,000 troops, 2,640,000 logistics (88 %)*
Navy (12.0%)
2,000,000 men. 240,000 troops, 1,760,000 logistics (88 %)*
Air Force (12.0%)
2,000,000 men. 240,000 troops, 1,760,000 logistics (88 %)*
Marines (12.0%)
1,462,500 men. 175,500 troops, 1,287,000 logistics (88 %)
Totals: 1,015,500 actual troops and 7,447,000 logistics personnel.
Reserves: 2,538,750 or (3% of population), little military training / 25% to each branch.

Hmm... you may have missed something, but your military is way to big.
8,462,500 out of 23,113,019 (total population) is 36.6% of the population.
And then you're having another 2,538,750 in the reserves.

If you're playing as RL Norht Korea, you're allowed to have a maximum of 10% of the population in the army. But as I've understand your nation you're playing as and ordinary democracy, and as such the limit is 5% INCLUDING a reserve of 3%. This is what the FAQ says about this:

Q: How big is my army?
A: You're allowed to have 2% of your population active in the military. If you're in a war you can have an additional 3% (reserves) which makes 5% total. If you're playing a nation with war as "tradition" (think Korea) you can have 10% of your population.

I think you need to downsize your army to the allowed 2% (462,260 men).

Well, here's what I'll have to say about some of the stuff here:

Koramerica, I'm glad that you're taking some initiative to get IC active. As far as invading Ireland, there is no IC constraint [aside from sailing your invasion fleet all the way over there...]. Ireland is not currently under claims by MC [as it's not part of the UK], but I think that considering the length of time it takes to get from Point A to Point B, you'd have to consider not doing it.

Asian China, I will put the new thread on the reference thread - thanks for keeping organized!

Samtonia, that's a good idea - I'll make certain that people will have access to it from the reference thread, although in general, it's probably better if people simply bookmark it.


Asian China, referencing the 5% rule, it's kinda hard to enforce, but here's what I will say about it.

With a defense budget of $20,467,831,235 [taken aptly from Kopparbergs's calculation website] and an army of about 8,462,500, he's paying about $2,500 per soldier annually, not accounting for research, reserves, and maintenance. If anything, the army is pretty much a paper elephant - a huge bulky waste - which further calls into question the various IC projects that has been started by his government.

I'm not personally opposed [as long as you can AFFORD it all] to having him have that many people, but just don't expect him to have much luck with his army. That said, an army size of your suggestion [462,260 men] would be vastly more reasonable, at a rate of about $44,000 per soldier [still less than my standard minimum of $100,000 per soldier, but it will work to some point]. But still, TG6R has already ruled that armies would not exceed the percentage quotas, so Koramerica will need to downsize his armed forces in order to abide by the rules established.

From the Military Declarations Thread:


Hmm... you may have missed something, but your military is way to big.
8,462,500 out of 23,113,019 (total population) is 36.6% of the population.
And then you're having another 2,538,750 in the reserves.

If you're playing as RL Norht Korea, you're allowed to have a maximum of 10% of the population in the army. But as I've understand your nation you're playing as and ordinary democracy, and as such the limit is 5% INCLUDING a reserve of 3%. This is what the FAQ says about this:

Q: How big is my army?
A: You're allowed to have 2% of your population active in the military. If you're in a war you can have an additional 3% (reserves) which makes 5% total. If you're playing a nation with war as "tradition" (think Korea) you can have 10% of your population.

I think you need to downsize your army to the allowed 2% (462,260 men).


North Korea is allowed 10% of the population, It says so in your rules ...


Q: How big is my army?

A: You're allowed to have 2% of your population active in the military. If you're in a war you can have an additional 3% (reserves) which makes 5% total. If you're playing a nation with war as "tradition" (think Korea ) you can have 10% of your population.

Here is the numbers for the real N. Korean Army;

Military Korea, North

Military branches:

North Korean People's Army: Ground Force, Navy, Air Force; civil security forces (2005)

Military service age and obligation:
17 years of age (2004)

Manpower available for military service:
males age 17-49: 5,851,801
females age 17-49: 5,850,733 (2005 est.)

Manpower fit for military service:
males age 17-49: 4,810,831
females age 17-49: 4,853,270 (2005 est.)

Manpower reaching military service age annually:
males age 18-49: 194,605
females age 17-49: 187,846 (2005 est.)

From these numbers you should be able to see that Koramerica's army is not to large.

No, see, 36% /= 10%. You are allowed 10% of your population in the military. Moreover, the numbers you provide shoe absolutely nothing. Of any relevance, at least. They show how many people could, theoretically, bei n the military if every single person in the entire nation of North Korea were conscripted.

Your military has that many people in it. If you want to play as a nation who has every able-bodied man and woman in the military, go ahead. Your equipment won't be produced, your crops won't be harvested (not that North Korea has that much food to begin with), your nation will cease to function- and your military will be comprised of starving peasants who don't even have guns to hold and will be nothing mroe than a massive mob.

Even at 10%, you're pushing it, society-wise. Thus why modern NK is, how shall we say... the worst place on earth (give or take) to live in?

Glad to see a returning member [from before my time :D]

Of course, the map has since changed since TG6R's map list, so for easy reference, here's a map and list of available countries:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109



You have been since added to the list, and I may comment, that you are a prolific writer...

thanks. "blushes":p

No, see, 36% /= 10%. You are allowed 10% of your population in the military. Moreover, the numbers you provide shoe absolutely nothing. Of any relevance, at least. They show how many people could, theoretically, bei n the military if every single person in the entire nation of North Korea were conscripted.

Your military has that many people in it. If you want to play as a nation who has every able-bodied man and woman in the military, go ahead. Your equipment won't be produced, your crops won't be harvested (not that North Korea has that much food to begin with), your nation will cease to function- and your military will be comprised of starving peasants who don't even have guns to hold and will be nothing mroe than a massive mob.

Even at 10%, you're pushing it, society-wise. Thus why modern NK is, how shall we say... the worst place on earth (give or take) to live in?

I don't have every one in the military ...

People Korea, North Top of Page
Population:

23,113,019 Total RL N. Korean Population (July 2006 est.)
-8,462,500 Military Personel
-----------
14,650,519 Civilian Personel

Beyond that my NS Population is now 795,000,000, these numbers are based on my NS Population when it was 667,000,000 divided by 2. I divided it by two in order to give my spending limit for training of each soldier as near to $200,000 as I could.

Looks to me like I have plenty of people leftover to work civilian jobs. I have also made sweeping changes to the living conditions since I took control of N. Korea, so my N. Korea is not KIMS Korea.

I don't have every one in the military ...

People Korea, North Top of Page
Population:

23,113,019 Total RL N. Korean Population (July 2006 est.)
-8,462,500 Military Personel
-----------
14,650,519 Civilian Personel

Beyond that my NS Population is now 788,000,000, these numbers are based on my NS Population when it was 667,000,000 divided by 2. I divided it by two in order to give my spending limit for training of each soldier as near to $200,000 as I could.

Looks to me like I have plenty of people leftover to work civilian jobs. I have also made sweeping changes to the living conditions since I took control of N. Korea, so my N. Korea is not KIMS Korea.
Your NS-population has absolutely nothing to do with this.

Your population is 23,113,019, and the age structure is like this:
0-14 years: 23.8% (male 2,788,944/female 2,708,331)
15-64 years: 68% (male 7,762,442/female 7,955,522)
65 years and over: 8.2% (male 667,792/female 1,229,988) (2006 est.)

Here's one thing to think about:
You're saying that your military consist of 8,462,500 people. In NK there are 7,762,442 male between 15-64 years. You're lacking about 800,000 men only to cover in your army. And who is doing the civilian jobs? Kids? People above 65? ONLY women (except for the 800,000 in the army)?

No, 36% of the total population in the army is totally sick. Even at 10% you're pushing it, and you are not able to put a dollar on education and research = no space industry or new weapons at all.

And besides, the FAQ says this:
If you're playing a nation with war as "tradition" (think Korea ) you can have 10% of your population

One question: Are you playing a country with war as tradition? You haven't participated in a single skirmish here in Earth-V, not a single military manevour. And as you said yourself:
I have also made sweeping changes to the living conditions since I took control of N. Korea, so my N. Korea is not KIMS Korea.
That means that your not playing a country with war as tradition, as it's KIMS Korea that's allowed to have 10% in the army.

EDIT: I found one more thing, N. Koreas labor force is 9.6 million. That means that you're having 1.2 million people left to work. IF you're having 50% female in your military...

Can I be renamed the reformed confederacy? (CoCo the silly monkey is merely a pseudonym of sorts.)

The claims thread shows that Korea has been abandoned. Could I take it over?
Wirraway,
The list of claims in this thread's first post is totally out of date. Look at the first post in the map-thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109) for an accurate list.

Here are some suggestions:

1) Belarus, Lithuania, Estonia and Finland.
Sweden is currently under invasion by United Earthlings (The Republic of United Nations), so you may contest his invasion if you make this choice.

2) Hungary, Slovakia

3) A couple of smaller African nations are also available. Look at the map, it's up to date.

And here are some claims you need to RP to get, as they may be under invasion right now, but not recognized yet:

4) Burma, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia - Brinkman Isle is making and attempt to take these (his invasion force is currently in Vietnam). Thread here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508169).

5) Some leftover states in the USA. A new player "Coco the Silly Monkey" is making a RP now for some states (Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas). Thread here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=513902).

6) South America. Here it's a mess... But we're having a couple of countries available to new players, but you need to make a RP for them. If this sounds interesting, let us know and we should help you to bring some light over the situation here.

7) Afghanistan & Pakistan may also be available. Make a good RP for them, and I think you'll get them.

I hope you'll find something, as it would be really great to have you here in Earth-V!

I am interested in joining Earth V.

Wirraway, I remember you from "the old days", back in 2004. Great to have you back here, hope you'll find some countries to claim.
I also remember, Wirraway. Welcome back. :)

Wirraway, check the map thread (there's a list in the first post) to see what's available.

Your NS-population has absolutely nothing to do with this.

Your population is 23,113,019, and the age structure is like this:
0-14 years: 23.8% (male 2,788,944/female 2,708,331)
15-64 years: 68% (male 7,762,442/female 7,955,522)
65 years and over: 8.2% (male 667,792/female 1,229,988) (2006 est.)

Here's one thing to think about:
You're saying that your military consist of 8,462,500 people. In NK there are 7,762,442 male between 15-64 years. You're lacking about 800,000 men only to cover in your army. And who is doing the civilian jobs? Kids? People above 65? ONLY women (except for the 800,000 in the army)?

No, 36% of the total population in the army is totally sick. Even at 10% you're pushing it, and you are not able to put a dollar on education and research = no space industry or new weapons at all.

And besides, the FAQ says this:
If you're playing a nation with war as "tradition" (think Korea ) you can have 10% of your population

One question: Are you playing a country with war as tradition? You haven't participated in a single skirmish here in Earth-V, not a single military manevour. And as you said yourself:
I have also made sweeping changes to the living conditions since I took control of N. Korea, so my N. Korea is not KIMS Korea.
That means that your not playing a country with war as tradition, as it's KIMS Korea that's allowed to have 10% in the army.

EDIT: I found one more thing, N. Koreas labor force is 9.6 million. That means that you're having 1.2 million people left to work. IF you're having 50% female in your military...

Yes and there is a good reason for that, until recently Koramerica had zero defense spending. I will change the numbers but I am still tired of the big countries taking all the available land when they already have alot. I only asked for one country when I joined because I didn't want to be greedy. I believe I was qualified by my size for more then one. So tell me, if I can't get anymore countries how will I ever be able to grow. Surely you don't expect the little guys to wish to stay small do you?

Any random event this week? I'm thinkin' this week is my week :)

Wirraway!

Welcome back!

And I myself just got back from a convention of sorts... needless to say, TG6R and I have both recieved awards from an Ivy-league school. Go us.

At any rate, I have a feeling that UE may not be able to invade Sweden in the 'future'. So its essentially open. I recommend you grab something up there, its relitivly secure and remote.

How do my new military strength numbers look?

The Democratic Dominion of KorAmerica Population:

Earth V / N. Korea: 23,113,019 (July 2006 est.)

Koramericas Earth V Military Strength
462,260 men & women in total (Equals 2.0% of the population):

Army (12.5%)
14,447 men. 1,806 troops, 12,643 logistics (87.5 %)

Navy (12.5%)
14,445 men. 1,805 troops, 12,642 logistics (87.5 %)

Air Force (12.5%)
14,445 men. 1,805 troops, 12,642 logistics (87.5 %)

Marines (12.5%)
14,445 men. 1,805 troops, 12,642 logistics (87.5 %)

Totals: 7,221 actual troops and 50,569 logistics personnel.

$178,955 per trooper

Reserves: 693,390 or (3% of population), little military training / 25% to each branch.

Good! Much more realistic!
But if I add the four branches together, there are 57,782 troops and logistics. Where are the rest of the "462,260 men & women in total"?

I don't say that you need to have these, but as you have stated that your army has them I wander where they are. You can have an army of just 57,782 men if you like (to have a high spending/soldier), but in that case you must change the total number, and put the remaining 405,000 men into the reserves.

---

And as a reply to your other question - you're allowed to grow! But you cannot just claim another country, you must make a RP where you take the power in the "new" country - either by invasion or some kind of coup (or something like that).

Good! Much more realistic!
But if I add the four branches together, there are 57,782 troops and logistics. Where are the rest of the "462,260 men & women in total"?

I don't say that you need to have these, but as you have stated that your army has them I wander where they are. You can have an army of just 57,782 men if you like (to have a high spending/soldier), but in that case you must change the total number, and put the remaining 405,000 men into the reserves.

---

And as a reply to your other question - you're allowed to grow! But you cannot just claim another country, you must make a RP where you take the power in the "new" country - either by invasion or some kind of coup (or something like that).


Exactly ... but that is a very hard thing to do with such a small military. I have to keep it small or there training will not be good. Untrained soldiers are pretty useless in my opinion. I will add the remaining men to the reserves for now.

I would like to inform everybody that Azaha's NS nation has apparently been deleted for inactivity. I would like to give him one more month to resurrect his nation on NS and start posting here on Jolt. Same goes for Warta Endor (even though I hate to see a good RP'er go). Warta Endor's last NS activity was 28 days ago as of today.

So at the end of Feb. if Azaha and Warta Endor isn't back, I would like to free up their lands for new RP'ers once and for all.

Can I take the states of Indiana, Ohio, and Michigan?

OOC: Please keep OOC in the main thread, but I also believe that there's clearly some Godmodism in Koramerica's recent RPs.


How am I Godmodding?

How am I Godmodding?
You never actually RPed the development of any of those things on the list, from what I saw. Remember: the more abstract a thing, the more detailed RP needed.

You never actually RPed the development of any of those things on the list, from what I saw. Remember: the more abstract a thing, the more detailed RP needed.


Ok which items do you consider abstract enought to require the more detailed RP?

I'd consider all of them - when in doubt, make an RP about it.

I would like to inform everybody that Azaha's NS nation has apparently been deleted for inactivity. I would like to give him one more month to resurrect his nation on NS and start posting here on Jolt. Same goes for Warta Endor (even though I hate to see a good RP'er go). Warta Endor's last NS activity was 28 days ago as of today.

So at the end of Feb. if Azaha and Warta Endor isn't back, I would like to free up their lands for new RP'ers once and for all.

Okay... I'd hate to see them both go the way of the dodo...


ALSO!!!

There have been inactive members [beyond those already stated to be inactive]. Their names will be interred in a bank of those to be warned of their pending status.

To all people wanting to join, check the map thread for territories open, BUT post your claims here so TG6R can more readily verify them.

I'd consider all of them - when in doubt, make an RP about it.



By the time all that happens someone will have already attacked me and taken my only country.

By the time all that happens someone will have already attacked me and taken my only country.

Sucks to be you. Look at me. I am a small country and I have no way to expand, other then invading countries way larger then me. I am content with being a support nation. That is until something big happens.

By the time all that happens someone will have already attacked me and taken my only country.

For what reason? You're allied to FOAM, so unless they decide it's not worth it, you've got some blanket security. Besides, they'd need to do an RP as well, so don't cheat them.

Can I rp as a paramilitary militia type group trying to reclaim Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana from the CSA?

All right- Koramerica, here are the problems I see with your "tech advances."

Land Warrior Personal Defense Package- No. That's something that the United States, the most technologically advanced nation on earth, is only thinking about implementing. And you want to have that used in North Korea?!?

Two types of Amp. Assault Vehicles- Okay- I suppose you can, though don't expect anything nice. Korea hasn't...well...ever had any type of naval experience for large vessels in a while. Try over 400 years.

Assault Rifle w/ Grenade Launcher- Okay. But why? You have scads of crappy AK knockoffs and those are better than anything North Korea can design, so why bother?

Coastal Rail guns- Not in 2007 tech you don't! And especially not as North Korea!

Our new Main Battle Tank- Okay. Why? North Korea has an MBT already and there have been no new tech or design advances that would get you anything better. So what's the point?

Concrete Submarines- No. You have, again, no shipbuilding infrastructure or experience or even ability for something like this. Moreover, you don't have their key component- Shkval torpedoes. Those are not something you possess, make, or can make.

Daisy Cutter like Bombs- Possible. But why? Not like there's much foliage to de-foliate in the Koreas. Or, you know, landing areas to clear for you. North Korea isn't known for its...shall we say...ability to transport men via helicopter? Or have an air force that will survive in a modern war?

Electronic Bombs- You haven't the tech to make anything guided. Plus, how would you? GPS is flat out, you don't have the cash to get infrared guided (moreover, what would you use to mark the target?)- really, you're North Korea. Nothing electronic or guided for you.

Electronic Missiles- You do realize how crappy North Korea's missile building ability is, right? So unless your electronic missile is a massive ICBM that can actually get over Japan and then continue out into the ocean a ways, not just smash into the sea and explode, there's not going to be much advancing down this tech road.

Autonomous Aircraft- Ha. Ha. No. Not in North Korea you can't.

Autonomous Subs- See above. Repeat.

Bucker Buster Bombs- Okay- but again, why? The ones that you have now (re: big bombs, not precision guided or anything fancy) work and you won't be able to design anything nicer.

Electronic Equipment- What? Seeing as you, again, have no ability to do so.

New Military Sniper Rifle- Okay. Why? Your Russian knock-offs should work out just fine.

Mobile Artillery- Okay. Why? Your Chinese/Russian knock-offs should work out just fine.

Laser technology- No. Not in 2007 (well, maybe not) but certainly not for North Korea.

I'm not trying to be an ass or anything- it's just that your tech ideas are all either completely impractical to implement as North Korea or there is no need for them. I'd suggest that your time would be better spent trying to build up a coalition of either allies or partners who might help you build up your tech level and be allied up to you in a war.

I mean, current situation- MC, who controls South Korea, is allied against Sharina and Vineyard in a war due to connectinos with UE. Why not approach the Sharina/Vineyard side and see if they'll try to keep MC distracted enough naval-wise in the Pacific so you can go after South Korea? If it fails, so what? Your country is crap anyways- let them pound it to rubble. You'll just rebuild and try again later! And if MC invades, make it hell for him! Guerilla attacks, terroism against South Korea- you name it. There are ways to improve your status in the world besides outright military conquest - in the instance of guerilla operations, anyone who wants to give MC an open military sore will give you nice, new (relatively) technology you can use after that ends and you rebuild!

Get what I'm saying? Be proactive! Don't complain you're too small- do something about it! Or fight anyways! I mean, no offense, but- dude, you're North Korea. It, by any definition of the term, sucks already. What could be worse?

Aye. I can testify to the validity of such speculation. If you were to, lets say, tie down MC, the Empire would most graciously give your nation all sorts of neat toys to work with.

Lets put it this way. North Korea's small border with Russia would get very busy ;)

Can I rp as a paramilitary militia type group trying to reclaim Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana from the CSA?

Yea sounds good to me. check out my R.P. thread.

No one heard me :(
Any random event this week?

Yea sounds good to me. check out my R.P. thread.

Which one? Or both of them?

Ah sorry just the conferance thread, It pertains to the new confederation consolidating her old borders.

Feel free to be the Ohio, Michigan Indiana delegates. :p

Can I rp as a paramilitary militia type group trying to reclaim Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana from the CSA?

You already have claimed lands as the CWAA in Africa, yes?

That brings up two major issues.

1. How are you going to supply troops and material and such from the CWAA into these three US states? You'd have to go through Sharinan held territory, CSA territory, or anarchy territory (hard for logistics in anarchy territory).

2. Sharina has already implemented anti-CSA elements within these three states a while ago, when MC sold these three states to the CSA. Therefore you will have to deal with strong Sharinan interests within these three states on top of all the logistics stuff involved.

Therefore, you will have to be involved in a RP not just with the CSA, but Sharina (me) as well. CSA as the former "owners" of these three states, and Sharina for the Sharinan interests, spies, propganda, subvertion, etc. that I have already initated.

You are thinking about someone else, most likely Candistan. I have done nothing with in Earth V and have no country in Africa. I want to join as rebels in Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana trying to break off from the Reformed CSA and make their own country.

@ Candistan: I can create a random event for you, but then it wouldn't be so random...

@ Canadstein: If you're willing to take up the gauntlet, I think TG6R wouldn't object. It also sounds like a great RP idea!

@ Those involved in the Americas Conflict/War/Dispute/GREAT REVOLUTION/whatever-you'd-prefer-to-call-it: I need to have declarations from some people before we are officially ready to re-commence the mayhem. We've gotten much progress thanks to the cooperation between the main contestants [I sound like a game-show host now...], so if you really do want to get involved [GR, MC, PP, anyone else?], post your declarations [or a link to your main military declaration if you're going total] and we can perhaps get started!!! WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, HOW.

All right .. here are my answers to the problems YOU see with my "tech advances."

Land Warrior Personal Defense Package; Yes you are right, I can't do it because I don't have a Radio Shack to take some of the parts of the shelf of. Please Mary, I'd like to remind you that North Korea is right next to China ... you know ... where all our manufacturers are moving to.

Two types of Amp. Assault Vehicles: Large Naval Vessels? Amp. Assualt Vehicles are hardly large naval vessels. They carry ten to twenty personel to battle destinations.

Assault Rifle w/ Grenade Launcher: I don't like crappy AK knockoffs, and maybe Mr. Kims North Korea can't build things. But I'm not Mr. Kim, if you would have read the posts I have made you would know that I have made sweeping changes to MY North Korea. MY North Korea CAN build things ...
so " Chill " your jets.

Coastal Rail guns: Since when is modern tech only in the year you are currently in? Modern tech by defination should be at least up to 2016, in my storefronts it is up to 2025 or 26. So yes railguns are possible in my opinion.

Main Battle Tank: The point is that I want to design my own ... do you have a problem with that?!

Concrete Submarines: Again you aren't talking about Mr. Kims North Korea here. Shkval torpedoes were first designed by the Russians in the middle 1900's. This is NOT High Tech. Besides I could always buy some from the Russians anyway.

Daisy Cutter like Bombs: Even you said they are possible, so why not have as good a military as you can.

Electronic Bombs: Mr. Kim was able to build nukes in his North Korea. But you think I can't build Lasers & EMP Weapons? Please!

Electronic Missiles: Please see Electronic Bombs

Autonomous Aircraft & Subs: The hardest part of this is writting the code that will control the craft. I could do that myself, after all I did attend Devry.

Bucker Buster Bombs: Why? Because I may need to open a bunker ... DA!

Electronic Equipment: Again you are thinking of Mr. Kims North Korea ... not mine.

New Military Sniper Rifle: Why do you care? I don't WANT Russian Knockoffs.

Mobile Artillery: Why do you care? Besides I don't see anyone knocking my door down to sell me military hardware. So I figured I would build it.

Laser technology: Lets just assume that I attended any number of American Colleges before I took power. Lasers have been around for years, so what are you talking about trying to use the Modern Tech card here?



For someone thats not trying to be an ass, you are doing a very good job at being an ass. Foreign students attend american colleges all the time. I could have sent people to America or any of the European Countries to study any of these technologies, so none are impractical to implement. Finally I don't appreciate your attitude towards my North Korea. Mr. Kims North Korea may be considered crap by you, but for the final time my name isn't KIM. SO STOP JUDGING ME AS IF IT WAS!

PS: Just in case you wasn't aware of it, Koramerica is my puppet nation that I use for NFT, PMT & MT.Threads, and has Kormanthors total support.

I am reading through the American Division thread at the moment, and would like to make a claim in EV.

I still need to read to find a territory set, but I will ask preemptively is alright for me to join?

I am reading through the American Division thread at the moment, and would like to make a claim in EV.

I still need to read to find a territory set, but I will ask preemptively is alright for me to join?

Pick out a few nations per the rules, then wait for TG6R to respond. Oh, and check the map thread for available nations... TG6R is terrible at claims upkeep.

All right .. here are my answers to the problems YOU see with my "tech advances."

Land Warrior Personal Defense Package; Yes you are right, I can't do it because I don't have a Radio Shack to take some of the parts of the shelf of. Please Mary, I'd like to remind you that North Korea is right next to China ... you know ... where all our manufacturers are moving to.

Two types of Amp. Assault Vehicles: Large Naval Vessels? Amp. Assualt Vehicles are hardly large naval vessels. They carry ten to twenty personel to battle destinations.

Assault Rifle w/ Grenade Launcher: I don't like crappy AK knockoffs, and maybe Mr. Kims North Korea can't build things. But I'm not Mr. Kim, if you would have read the posts I have made you would know that I have made sweeping changes to MY North Korea. MY North Korea CAN build things ...
so " Chill " your jets.

Coastal Rail guns: Since when is modern tech only in the year you are currently in? Modern tech by defination should be at least up to 2016, in my storefronts it is up to 2025 or 26. So yes railguns are possible in my opinion.

Main Battle Tank: The point is that I want to design my own ... do you have a problem with that?!

Concrete Submarines: Again you aren't talking about Mr. Kims North Korea here. Shkval torpedoes were first designed by the Russians in the middle 1900's. This is NOT High Tech. Besides I could always buy some from the Russians anyway.

Daisy Cutter like Bombs: Even you said they are possible, so why not have as good a military as you can.

Electronic Bombs: Mr. Kim was able to build nukes in his North Korea. But you think I can't build Lasers & EMP Weapons? Please!

Electronic Missiles: Please see Electronic Bombs

Autonomous Aircraft & Subs: The hardest part of this is writting the code that will control the craft. I could do that myself, after all I did attend Devry.

Bucker Buster Bombs: Why? Because I may need to open a bunker ... DA!

Electronic Equipment: Again you are thinking of Mr. Kims North Korea ... not mine.

New Military Sniper Rifle: Why do you care? I don't WANT Russian Knockoffs.

Mobile Artillery: Why do you care? Besides I don't see anyone knocking my door down to sell me military hardware. So I figured I would build it.

Laser technology: Lets just assume that I attended any number of American Colleges before I took power. Lasers have been around for years, so what are you talking about trying to use the Modern Tech card here?



For someone thats not trying to be an ass, you are doing a very good job at being an ass. Foreign students attend american colleges all the time. I could have sent people to America or any of the European Countries to study any of these technologies, so none are impractical to implement. Finally I don't appreciate your attitude towards my North Korea. Mr. Kims North Korea may be considered crap by you, but for the final time my name isn't KIM. SO STOP JUDGING ME AS IF IT WAS!

PS: Just in case you wasn't aware of it, Koramerica is my puppet nation that I use for NFT, PMT & MT.Threads, and has Kormanthors total support.

Where would you send them to school KorAmerica? the American national institute of giving clandestine military projects to foreign nations?

I bet Saddam wished he sent a few men over to study Railgun and advanced Laser technology (Damn!!!)

sorry dude needs to be said tho, even the confederacy doesnt have these capabilities. I dont think a lot of "bigger nations" do either.

@ Kor:

To echo sentiments already stated:

When in doubt, make an RP. As you have made no RPs [or at least posted no proof of any RPs], the credibility of your statements is near nil. In addition, even with whatever support your FOAM allies may provide, your financial situation is no where near prime.

Here's a few suggestions that you could take in mind:

* Ask for financial support or joint-development programs. Not only does this alleviate your economic situation, you also get the share of the technologies that your allies may possess, advancing your own situation. Of course, you'd have to be willing to share it.

* Stir up investors to give you money for the development of those products - it's certainly the free market option to getting your projects funded, and the only problem you'd have is trying to sell the ideas that you have to neighbors.

* Develop a home industry to tackle your problems. I see that you've already started that option, but you've certainly run the high-speed route. This option is going to cost you the most - terms of money and time. It would be a long, long time before you had home-grown industries that were functioning comparably to most other home grown industries. Of course, it's probably also the most lucrative option too, but that doesn't mean you can start chugging out high quality products in an instant - it took Asia nearly 20 years before they had even comparable products on market, and your chaebol markets haven't reached their 5th anniversary.

I've listed these in the order of increasing cost and efficiency, so your real option could be a combination of these options. That said, a lot of your projects open for suggestion are either not 2007 tech-level or not feasible at your economic level, so don't be offended if people don't buy into the prospect that you have the ability to even make them. Your government might not be RL DPRK, but you've certainly inherited a lot of its problems - massive agricultural sustenance problems, underfunding industrial development, and a weak and limited workforce.

You've taken some steps in fixing the problems, but you'd need to do some more before the edifices of the old Juche system are really broken [Juche as in the political ideology that strangles the Korean workforce].

All right .. here are my answers to the problems YOU see with my "tech advances."

No- problems any rational player on Earth V would see. I've just taken the time to explain why they are totally wrong.

Land Warrior Personal Defense Package Yes you are right, I can't do it because I don't have a Radio Shack to take some of the parts of the shelf of. Please Mary, I'd like to remind you that North Korea is right next to China ... you know ... where all our manufacturers are moving to.
How about you try again. Which China, the relatively unindustrialized South that has no route to you or the north, that's currnelty under invasion and, oh, right- the one you never RPed asking to help you develop or buy parts from. No Rp, no tech. And for the "Please Mary"- I don't even know what you meant by that. Try again.



Two types of Amp. Assault Vehicles: Large Naval Vessels? Amp. Assualt Vehicles are hardly large naval vessels. They carry ten to twenty personel to battle destinations. No small boat ever made can carry 10-20 men any long distance. You need larger ships to carry them and the amphibious vehicles, which you do not have and have no capacity to design or build- sorry. Try again.


Assault Rifle w/ Grenade Launcher: I don't like crappy AK knockoffs, and maybe Mr. Kims North Korea can't build things. But I'm not Mr. Kim, if you would have read the posts I have made you would know that I have made sweeping changes to MY North Korea. MY North Korea CAN build things ...
so " Chill " your jets. Ah yes, all those posts about the complete retooling of your infrastructure, the construction of new factories, the agricultural reforms, the economic deals made with your neighbors....oh, wait. That's right- you didn't do any of those. And your posts on Earth V have consisted of either claiming to be able to build outlandish weapons or....yeah, that's pretty much it. Until you RP changing your economy, it's as shit as North Korea's is right now in RL 2007. Which is a lot. Try again.



Coastal Rail guns: Since when is modern tech only in the year you are currently in? Modern tech by defination should be at least up to 2016, in my storefronts it is up to 2025 or 26. So yes railguns are possible in my opinion.
When did I ever say I cared about your opinio? Earth V is a realistic rolepaly- if it's not in production by your nation in 2007 (Hint- today) you can't have it. Oh wait- which nation on this planet uses railguns? Hmmmm- oh, right. None. Especially not the pile of rubble that is North Korea. Your ludicrous idea on MT is not applicable here- try again.


Main Battle Tank: The point is that I want to design my own ... do you have a problem with that?! If it's as ludicrous as the tech slaims you've made to this point, yes, I do have a problem with that. But fine, if you want to waste your very limited resources on a pointless endeavour, go ahead. Try Again.

Concrete Submarines: Again you aren't talking about Mr. Kims North Korea here.
Actually, yes, I am. Since you've never Rped improving it in any way. Try again.

Shkval torpedoes were first designed by the Russians in the middle 1900's. How about we check basic facts? The idea was first announced in the 1960s- the first deployment was in the 1990s. And aren't you forgetting something? Russia on its worst day (military design capability-wise) is better than North Korea on its best. On its really, really best. You can't design the Shkval- you haven't got the ability! Try again.


This is NOT High Tech. Besides I could always buy some from the Russians anyway. Actually it is high tech and not without an RP with Russia you can't. Try again.

Daisy Cutter like Bombs: Even you said they are possible, so why not have as good a military as you can. Because your country is shit and can't afford doing frivolous things like designing pointless weapons? Oh, no, that couldn't be the answer at all! Try again.

Electronic Bombs: Mr. Kim was able to build nukes in his North Korea. But you think I can't build Lasers & EMP Weapons? Please! No. Especially since North Korea built one nuclear weapon, it failed during its test, and that was...oh, that was about six months ago!!! No way you can make the leap from crappy failed nuke to "Lasers and EMP weapons." Try again.

Electronic Missiles: Please see Electronic Bombs Please see North Korea's missile capabilities. Please. Because North korea doesn't really have one- so,again, anything you build of these "electronic missiles" will be a slight improvement on existing designs. Which are crappy MRBMs.

Autonomous Aircraft & Subs: The hardest part of this is writting the code that will control the craft. I could do that myself, after all I did attend Devry. Do you seriously think the hardest thing for North Korea is coders? No- umm, you see, there are these things like aerospace design and stuff that...ummm....how do you say- ah, yes, need to be really precise. Ah, yes, that aerospace industry and design North Korea doesn't possess. And a small hint- unless you actually are a part of defense industries, trying to use personal experiences to back anything up doesn't work. Because unless you actually know about programming of UAVs or other like systems, you quite frankly have no standing in the mind of any of us. If you are a core member of DARPA's research team then by all means- tell us! Since I very much doubt you are, sorry. Try again.

Bucker Buster Bombs: Why? Because I may need to open a bunker ... DA! "Why should I design a weapon that I don't need, since i can use existing North Korean weapons that fulfill the same task and any design I make won't be an improvement and will hurt my budget?" I don't see an answer to that question- do you? Try again.

Electronic Equipment: Again you are thinking of Mr. Kims North Korea ... not mine. Again, you are vastly inflating North Korea's abilities and haven't RPed improving them at all. Try again.

New Military Sniper Rifle: Why do you care? I don't WANT Russian Knockoffs. So you want the crappier weapons you'll make on your own? Okay- your choice.

Mobile Artillery: Why do you care? Besides I don't see anyone knocking my door down to sell me military hardware. So I figured I would build it. Why would anyone approach ypu? You have to approach them. And again, dig the budgetary hole even more, be my guest. I just don't think it's a very smart thing to do.

Laser technology: Lets just assume that I attended any number of American Colleges before I took power. Lasers have been around for years, so what are you talking about trying to use the Modern Tech card here?

Do you get? YOU ARE NORTH KOREA. You cannot build lasers! Besides which, what makes you think one person can design the infrastructure for laser production from the ground up? No matter how knwledgeable they are, there need to be many more than just one person who knows what htey are doing. Try again.

For someone thats not trying to be an ass, you are doing a very good job at being an ass.No, i'd say that this current post is me doing a better job. Try again.

Foreign students attend american colleges all the time.
Small hint- not North Koreans. Oh, and you haven't RPed anything to the contrary- sorry. Try again.

I could have sent people to America or any of the European Countries to study any of these technologies, so none are impractical to implement. Oh, except you didn't send them. and sending students then requires some sort of industrial base to do anything- oh, right, that one you never RPed fdeveloping. Try again.

Finally I don't appreciate your attitude towards my North Korea. Mr. Kims North Korea may be considered crap by you, but for the final time my name isn't KIM. SO STOP JUDGING ME AS IF IT WAS! When you RP changing North Korea, it is changed. Changing North Korea will take a very involved RP- sometihng you have not even approached. Until that point in time, you have not revamped North Korea at all- it is the same as it is in the status quo. Try again.

PS: Just in case you wasn't aware of it, Koramerica is my puppet nation that I use for NFT, PMT & MT.Threads, and has Kormanthors total support.
PS: OH NOES! TEH COUNTRY NOT IN EARTH V WILL ATTACK!!! I R SCARED! You threatened me with the other nation you have. That's just plain bad RPing on so many levels...especially because your other nation isn't even in Earth V and so does not exist as far as this RP is concerned.

Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Hostage (organized, non-terrorist)

The target nation is...:

Vineyard

The severity is...:

Low




Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Transportation / Bus accident

The target nation is...:

Candistan

The severity is...:

Medium

So could I drop an RP take over of Bolivia, Peru, and Chile?

I cant find any claims to them ...I go checking some more until I get an answer.

Where would you send them to school KorAmerica? the American national institute of giving clandestine military projects to foreign nations?

I bet Saddam wished he sent a few men over to study Railgun and advanced Laser technology (Damn!!!)

sorry dude needs to be said tho, even the confederacy doesnt have these capabilities. I dont think a lot of "bigger nations" do either.


My Korea is a Democracy just like the US, so don't try to compare it to Saddam's Iraq. You seem to want me too model my Korea from the RL Korea but you don't want to admit there are schools that teach these things in the
RL.

Yes! Finally! I get hit by a bus! w00t!

I have stated my side of it, I will not waste anymore of my time on your
stupidity. Not only do you insult Korea, you insult me personally. My mention of Kormanthor was to say that it is the parent country to Koramerica and backs Koramerica. Kormanthor does exist in Earth V as Koramerica. If you ever get a backbone, you might travel outside Earth V & Modern Tech where I can introduce you to Kormanthor. But I'm sure that won't happen as you can only bully someone smaller then you right?

I have stated my side of it, I will not waste anymore of my time on your
stupidity. Not only do you insult Korea, you insult me personally. My mention of Kormanthor was to say that it is the parent country to Koramerica and backs Koramerica. Kormanthor does exist in Earth V as Koramerica. If you ever get a backbone, you might travel outside Earth V & Modern Tech where I can introduce you to Kormanthor. But I'm sure that won't happen as you can only bully someone smaller then you right?

Somehow I think you took it way too personally, and I don't forsee this ending well.

Somehow I think you took it way too personally, and I don't forsee this ending well.


As far as I am concerned my communication with you ends now.

Bye bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Bye bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I didn't say I was leaving Earth V, I just no longer wish to speak to you is all I meant.

So could I drop an RP take over of Bolivia, Peru, and Chile?

I cant find any claims to them ...I go checking some more until I get an answer.
I believe that is fine, but be aware that nearby RUN-controlled Argentina is about to enter a war.

So could I drop an RP take over of Bolivia, Peru, and Chile?

I cant find any claims to them ...I go checking some more until I get an answer.

Bolivia and Peru are under my jurisdiction right now, But I have been seeking to install some form of government in the region... sure would quash management problems. I will allow you to posses these nations under Vineyardian tutulage, as the Empire still needs these lands for funnling war supplies....

I have stated my side of it, I will not waste anymore of my time on your
stupidity. Not only do you insult Korea, you insult me personally. My mention of Kormanthor was to say that it is the parent country to Koramerica and backs Koramerica. Kormanthor does exist in Earth V as Koramerica. If you ever get a backbone, you might travel outside Earth V & Modern Tech where I can introduce you to Kormanthor. But I'm sure that won't happen as you can only bully someone smaller then you right?

Excuse me, but you're going a little too far. Some of the critiques have been more excessive than most, but that is absolutely no reason to retaliate with void threats.

And don't speak to me about insulting Korea, because you've done it more by adopting Japanese type names [well, they're not Korean, and "chaebatsu" sounds like a cruel mixing of "chaebol"' and "zaibatsu"]. By mentioning that, you insult me more than you can imagine, so don't go about pulling strings on people who probably don't know much better.

As far as your void threats, I'm extremely peeved at the moment that you even thought to bring things to this kind of attitude. You have absolutely no right to taunt people here for choosing to follow rules that are plainly written, rules that you have either flaunted or twisted by doing your various incredulous developments or declarations. And after people prod you with critiques [some of which are perhaps not appropriate], you try to even the grounds by introducing an entity that does not officially exist on this realm, and furthermore threatening members with that entity.

I hope that I've been very tolerant of your presence so far, because you've just about stretched any limits that I can even imagine to hold for a person on an online site. If you want to insult people who have insulted you, please do so - but do NOT threaten any of them. As far as I can conjure, it's just a game; do NOT take it to be any more serious than what it needs to be.

I should say more, but I'm concerned about what else I might recklessly want to say about this.

So could I drop an RP take over of Bolivia, Peru, and Chile?

I cant find any claims to them ...I go checking some more until I get an answer.

I'm fine with you claiming Chile, that's why I haven't claimed it and left it open. However, there are a few things you should be made aware of if you want to claim Chile.

I've been roleplaying for Chile as I along with help from Brinkman set up a stable government in Chile. I've even, again with help from Brinkman (he's roleplaying the Philippines-his main nation though he does have others) equipped the Chile Armed forces. I put up a military declaration for them.

However, be aware-you'll have to do a hell of a good RP to claim Chile and you'd be kind of limited in how you go about that. Chile right now is very stable unlike Bolivia and Peru. One of my government's has poured billions of funds into the country.

Example, Chile falling into Civil War is highly unlikely. Still, you can always claim-Chile and for your claim of Bolivia and Peru have Chile invaded those countries. I gave Chile a large enough army and besides you would have the support of other powers. Though do note, claiming Bolivia and Peru puts you into conflict with Vineyard. He has a RP out on those two countries like I have a RP out on Chile. Neither of us have claimed those countries, so they are open if you wish to RP for them. I don't know how Vineyard will react, but Chile's yours if you want it.

If, your still interested in Chile after reading this-let me know and I'll dig up the threads and posts of my involvement in Chile.

I have stated my side of it, I will not waste anymore of my time on your
stupidity. Not only do you insult Korea, you insult me personally. My mention of Kormanthor was to say that it is the parent country to Koramerica and backs Koramerica. Kormanthor does exist in Earth V as Koramerica. If you ever get a backbone, you might travel outside Earth V & Modern Tech where I can introduce you to Kormanthor. But I'm sure that won't happen as you can only bully someone smaller then you right?

Ok heres my two cents, Instead of jumping on the cannibalistic bandwagon and simply devour everything Kormanthor says, I suggest Kormanthor changes his nation, i hear Braskas brazils up for grabs,

Granted half the technology still would not be availble to him and its not "kosher" (so to speak) to change your nation once joined but i believe Maldorians did it...(not setting a precedent for this thing, but if its causing Kormanthor so much Agro....)

Atleast you show Military stats on earth V (even if some of these cannot be true:p )

Brazil has a better infrastructure (thanks to D.P the former owner) and way more natural resources which would be very conducive to your Earth V ambitions.

Do a proper R.P for Brazil and maybe the mods can do something. If you choose to stay as North Korea thats commendable too but try to compromise a bit eh dude?

good luck.

Here's my thoughts on these following nations:

Moorington
Braska
Recolitus
Constantinalia

I have not seen Moorington post in Earth V in a while, but he has been posting in several other RP's.

I have seen Braska post in E-20 but not even get involved in E-20. He has posted here in Earth V that he is waiting for the America War to get underway because he is surrounded by either Sharina or RUN. Once the dust settles, I am pretty sure Braska will be able to RP.

I haven't seen Recolitus post in a month.

I haven't seen Constantinalia post here in Earth V for a while. However he has been posting and RP'ing in other Earth's like Earth 1935 (same as Moorington). If he has the time to RP elsewhere like Earth 1935, he could at least post here explaining his RP inactivity here, or RP something small at least.


My opinion:

Moorington has the time to RP in Earth V as indicated by his RP'ing in other RP's as recent as this past weekend. Thus, he needs to post something in Earth V soon, or his claims go out the window.

Braska did post several times why he hasn't been RP'ing much in Earth V, and he explained that he is waiting for the America War to get underway. Based on this, I'm inclined to let Braska stay because unlike most "Claim and disappear" players, he does posts explaining stuff, and he has shown himself to be a promising RP'er. That is another reason why I'm not about to just kick him out- good RP'ers are hard to come by nowadays.

Recolitus hasn't posted in Earth V or NS for a month. He hasn't posted any explaination of his absence or inactivity in RP'ing. Thus, I'm inclined to kick him out. Warta Endor, Azaha, and Braska *DID* explain ahead of time why they will be inactive, something Recolitus didn't do.

Constantinalia should be treated the same as Moorington (as explained above).

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My timetable for claim-clearing is as follows:

Moorington - Sunday Jan. 21
Braska - end of Feburary (same as Azaha and Warta Endor)
Recolitus - Wed. Jan 31
Constantinalia - Sunday Jan. 21

I have much lower tolerance for players like Moorington and Constantinalia who seemingly abandon Earth V to RP in other Earth's and not even inform us or explain to us whats up. For players like Recolitus, I have more tolerance because he may be having serious problems at home or be grounded or something. For players like Braska, Azaha, and Warta Endor, I have the greatest patience for them out of all three types of players (Claim + RP elsewhere, Claim + no activity at all, and Claim + explain whats up for inacitivity) because they have shown more responibility in telling us ahead of time what's up, have justifiable reasons why they haven't been RP'ing lately, and are great writers / RP'ers when they do post.

I would like to put a hold on Candistein's membership in Earth V for a time, as there's a few issues to be worked out regarding his membership that I am discussing with TGSR.

hold up! Candistan or Canadstein? I'm pretty sure Canadstein had a previous claim he kinda ditched for the Ohio, Michigan and Indiana one.

hold up! Candistan or Canadstein? I'm pretty sure Canadstein had a previous claim he kinda ditched for the Ohio, Michigan and Indiana one.

The CWAA Canadstan (you) are already a member of Earth V, and I enjoy your roleplays. Its the other Candastan I have concerns about.

okay tight. For a second I was like OMG what did I do lol

My timetable for claim-clearing is as follows:

Moorington - Sunday Jan. 21
Braska - end of Feburary (same as Azaha and Warta Endor)
Recolitus - Wed. Jan 31
Constantinalia - Sunday Jan. 21

I have much lower tolerance for players like Moorington and Constantinalia who seemingly abandon Earth V to RP in other Earth's and not even inform us or explain to us whats up. For players like Recolitus, I have more tolerance because he may be having serious problems at home or be grounded or something. For players like Braska, Azaha, and Warta Endor, I have the greatest patience for them out of all three types of players (Claim + RP elsewhere, Claim + no activity at all, and Claim + explain whats up for inacitivity) because they have shown more responibility in telling us ahead of time what's up, have justifiable reasons why they haven't been RP'ing lately, and are great writers / RP'ers when they do post.

I will adopt this as my own policy.

AT 0000GMT of the specified dates, if these people do not give word to their activity on Earth V for the better, they will be thereafter stricken from the list and their territories open to claims [with those that have had significant IC development requiring IC take-overs for certain].

Candastein can still participate in my R.p though?????

Candastein can still participate in my R.p though?????

Not until he's an official member of Earth V, and his membership is in question and I'm working with TGSR to figure it out for several issues.

Ah ok then....

hmmmmmm, Should i freeze R.P. untill he gets in or assume resistance myself? (or let someone else play resistance movement)

ok heres what Im going to do, Il leave Ohi and Michigan for the time being and focus on regaining the rest of the Confederacy.

also damn, where was Neuvo Ricas military declaration, I cant find it:(

I suck at military stats, and I dont think I can wiki it because the Confederacy here would have different varities of military equipment e.t.c. than the southern states of america.

ok heres what Im going to do, Il leave Ohi and Michigan for the time being and focus on regaining the rest of the Confederacy.

also damn, where was Neuvo Ricas military declaration, I cant find it:(

I suck at military stats, and I dont think I can wiki it because the Confederacy here would have different varities of military equipment e.t.c. than the southern states of america.

Ask and you shall receive-http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11458890&postcount=7.

Excuse me, but you're going a little too far. Some of the critiques have been more excessive than most, but that is absolutely no reason to retaliate with void threats.

And don't speak to me about insulting Korea, because you've done it more by adopting Japanese type names [well, they're not Korean, and "chaebatsu" sounds like a cruel mixing of "chaebol"' and "zaibatsu"]. By mentioning that, you insult me more than you can imagine, so don't go about pulling strings on people who probably don't know much better.

As far as your void threats, I'm extremely peeved at the moment that you even thought to bring things to this kind of attitude. You have absolutely no right to taunt people here for choosing to follow rules that are plainly written, rules that you have either flaunted or twisted by doing your various incredulous developments or declarations. And after people prod you with critiques [some of which are perhaps not appropriate], you try to even the grounds by introducing an entity that does not officially exist on this realm, and furthermore threatening members with that entity.

I hope that I've been very tolerant of your presence so far, because you've just about stretched any limits that I can even imagine to hold for a person on an online site. If you want to insult people who have insulted you, please do so - but do NOT threaten any of them. As far as I can conjure, it's just a game; do NOT take it to be any more serious than what it needs to be.

I should say more, but I'm concerned about what else I might recklessly want to say about this.


Maybe I didn't RP the changes I was trying to make in North Korea, but some of us have other real world concerns to take care of. This being the case, I don't have alot of time to write long drawn out RP's most of the time. As far as the names that supposedly offended you I was trying to create names that sounded more realistic ( if only to me ) instead of using English or maybe German names for Korean Companies. You must remember I don't speak Korean or Japanese. As far as void threats, I don't make VOID threats. If I threaten you, you can be sure that I mean it.
Futher if you would have told me you had a problem with the way I was posting concerning N. Korean earlier this all may have never happened. The fact that you think it's ok for other members of this thread to cut N. Korea down with cuss words, and insult my intelligence, without me even having the right to defend myself is criminal. Also if you think this is showing tolerance, I wouldn't want to see you idea of intolerance. As for Kormanthor not existing in this realm, I believe I said if they wished to come out of this realm, did I not. I see a few people involved in this thread that are powerful within this thread and show only contempt for smaller countries. In my opinion people like that need to be shown that they are not as big as they think for the good of all concerned.

Ah ok then....

hmmmmmm, Should i freeze R.P. untill he gets in or assume resistance myself? (or let someone else play resistance movement)

Not at all. Please do continue your RP. The Candistein stuff essentially doesn't exist and isn't happening officially in Earth V (meaning no Ohio + Michigan + Indiana guriellas calling themselves "Candistein Nation" or stuff like that) until the time that Candistein is actually officially a member of Earth V, THEN that part of the RP will be valid.

In the meanwhile, please do continue your RP for the rest of the Confederacy excepting these three states until the whole Candistein stuff is cleared up. Assuming that Candistein isn't made a member of Earth V, I would be more than happy to RP with you over these 3 states, but for me to RP that, I'll have to finish the coming war with the RUN (as I don't think I could keep track of being involved in multiple RP's all at once).

Not at all. Please do continue your RP. The Candistein stuff essentially doesn't exist and isn't happening officially in Earth V (meaning no Ohio + Michigan + Indiana guriellas calling themselves "Candistein Nation" or stuff like that) until the time that Candistein is actually officially a member of Earth V, THEN that part of the RP will be valid.

In the meanwhile, please do continue your RP for the rest of the Confederacy excepting these three states until the whole Candistein stuff is cleared up. Assuming that Candistein isn't made a member of Earth V, I would be more than happy to RP with you over these 3 states, but for me to RP that, I'll have to finish the coming war with the RUN (as I don't think I could keep track of being involved in multiple RP's all at once).

Thanks man...:p


Wars such a drag isnt?

ooc: I just skimmed your Military Dec's... No mention of this "Triomphant" Class SSBN, despite the fact that it is produced by the French. Which, by the way, is a member of MC's nation. And I dont think he would want to piss me off, seing how I have my Best battlegroup on his border...

Also, while skimming your military dec, I encountered 1 "Cavor Class Aircraft Carrier", belonging to the Madagascarian Navy. These are relitivly new Carriers, built by the Italians. Do I REALLY have to say more?

Better yet, ask yourself this: What would I uncover if I looked into your army in-depth? Just skimming it I have seen several weapons not of your nation's origin.

Please, for the love of god, fix it. And post your Military Locations in the Americas War OOC thread, so you don't have the 'flexability' to pull troops out of nowhere...

*Sigh*

SIGH! :headbang:

OCC posts go in the occ thread, if you want me to answer your occ comments anymore I suggest you put them here. Other, then that I will be ignoring them for now on. It's not a difficult thing to do. Next, I got 5 words for you. Word has a spell checker!. Please, use it. "relitivly" I don't know about you, but where I come from "relitivly' is not a word. You may think I'm being an ass about it, but when your trying to say something important, spelling a word correctly makes all the difference. Clear meaning leads to clear understanding. Besides, running it through a spell checker takes less then 30 seconds. So, time wise I know it's not an incovience. Now, in answer to your questions.

1. Yes, it is produced by the French. [Sarcasm]At least you got that part right[End Sarcasm]. As, for the rest-look harder it's in there. {Sarcasm-that's why it's called reading, left to right; top to bottom}. However, I'm not completely heartless. Try looking under-Naval Ships:
Wow, you have a whole battlegroup. Oh, wait I have 700,000 personnel and whole armies on your border, I don't think you won't to piss me off. :D

2. "Do I REALLY have to say more?" I don't know, you looks like you do. So, I give you the benefit of the doubt and say, yes.
Considering I bought 3 Cavour Class Aircraft Carriers from you a long time ago-over 4 months if memory serves me. If, you like you can go dig up the post of me ordering them from you and you confirming the sale. I bought them when I was first starting out. You may now proceed to take your foot out of your mouth so we can continue to your next question.

3. You would uncover all the equipment I use plus how my Military for Earth V is set up. What can I say, I love buying shit. Sixth, if your reading this you may take a bow. Thank you for selling me a lot of that equipment. My dear friend and ally Military Command- thank you also. Sharina-well Sharina soon enough will regret that action. :D To, all those I left out who are not very active on Earth V or have died off- Thank you also. :)

4. In due time my friend, I plan to work on it again very soon. You’re a little late, I already posted it a few days ago. Check, page 4 of the thread. Sadly, for you I do have the flexibility to pull them out of nowhere. If, you are familiar with the song it's raining men-well let's just say that song will take on new meaning for you. :D

*All spelling in this post has been checked by a spell checker. Furthermore, this post has been proof read.*

SIGH! :headbang:

OCC posts go in the occ thread, if you want me to answer your occ comments anymore I suggest you put them here. Other, then that I will be ignoring them for now on. It's not a difficult thing to do. Next, I got 5 words for you. Word has a spell checker!. Please, use it. "relitivly" I don't know about you, but where I come from "relitivly' is not a word. You may think I'm being an ass about it, but when your trying to say something important, spelling a word correctly makes all the difference. Clear meaning leads to clear understanding. Besides, running it through a spell checker takes less then 30 seconds. So, time wise I know it's not an incovience. Now, in answer to your questions.

1. Yes, it is produced by the French. [Sarcasm]At least you got that part right[End Sarcasm]. As, for the rest-look harder it's in there. {Sarcasm-that's why it's called reading, left to right; top to bottom}. However, I'm not completely heartless. Try looking under-Naval Ships:
Wow, you have a whole battlegroup. Oh, wait I have 700,000 personnel and whole armies on your border, I don't think you won't to piss me off. :D

2. "Do I REALLY have to say more?" I don't know, you looks like you do. So, I give you the benefit of the doubt and say, yes.
Considering I bought 3 Cavour Class Aircraft Carriers from you a long time ago-over 4 months if memory serves me. If, you like you can go dig up the post of me ordering them from you and you confirming the sale. I bought them when I was first starting out. You may now proceed to take your foot out of your mouth so we can continue to your next question.

3. You would uncover all the equipment I use plus how my Military for Earth V is set up. What can I say, I love buying shit. Sixth, if your reading this you may take a bow. Thank you for selling me a lot of that equipment. My dear friend and ally Military Command- thank you also. Sharina-well Sharina soon enough will regret that action. :D To, all those I left out who are not very active on Earth V or have died off- Thank you also. :)

4. In due time my friend, I plan to work on it again very soon. You’re a little late, I already posted it a few days ago. Check, page 4 of the thread. Sadly, for you I do have the flexibility to pull them out of nowhere. If, you are familiar with the song it's raining men-well let's just say that song will take on new meaning for you. :D

*All spelling in this post has been checked by a spell checker. Furthermore, this post has been proof read.*

Just to prove a point...

And to critique the last statement [4], you don't have the liberty to move them out of nowhere. I want to know the location troops so people can't godmod and say "my army in Iraq has arrived Venezuela" and vice versa. I want people to move their troops, rather than saying that they arrive at a certain point, because moving troops is a very expensive and costly thing, especially if you're doing in contested waters.

If they aren't mobilized, they aren't moving an inch either.

And I've said this numerous times, WAR pertinent stuff belongs in the WAR Threads [IC or OOC...].

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@ Kormanthor:

I thank you for replying to my post - hopefully, we're both cooled by the absence, so I'll be less incisive than what I have been [although I don't intend to be soft with my apologetics].

As far as your remarks on RL commitments, we all have that to do. Some of us have more; some of us have less. Just because you happen to have a lot of RL work doesn't mean that you get to take shortcuts to get the stuff that you want. Everyone has to do a reasonably good job - as it says in the opening comments of the introduction:

Earth V strives to provide a realistic role-play (RP) simulation

Without the RP, there is nothing, so people are required to RP IC developments before the admins [TG6R and Sharina] can decide [i.e. agree with you about] how much development has occurred. It's more a tale of "have the proof and we'll believe you" - which means you have to write out your developments, and show people its progress. Make something interactive - there are plenty of RPs in the archives where people developed something that now contributes to their entity's vitality.



My point about making problems with the names is the point about the insults:

Not only do you insult Korea, you insult me personally.

It doesn't insult me [being Korean], and most Koreans aren't insulted by the depravity in the DPRK. They may be ashamed, but that's a different story, and another tale. As far as insults go, it insults me to think that you [either not being Korean or not taking it very seriously] would assume the authority to recognize something as insulting to Korea [or to Koreans] - that's what insults me, and only secondarily, the various "chaebatsu" and name gimmicks to which you and I have mentioned. But that is a past event, and I'm not particularly affected by it now.

Besides, I was figuring it was a Japanese controlled state in Korea, which does not offend me [because it's not real...]. As far as cussing goes, instead of retaliating with a show of lost patience, you could confront to the premiers about it and they could formally warn the use of cursory language against those who did the like to you. There is an authority in this RP, so if you feel that you're not getting the respect you deserve, confront them [or at least post it in the OOC thread and ask for acknowledgment from the players].

As far as threats, voids, and smaller and bigger countries, I hold no particular bias towards big or small countries. As far as I can relate, people have different experience levels, and I treat those who are sincere [or modestly sincere at least] with respect. Those who have no regard [or apparent regard] for working on details [minor and major], cooperating with others ICly and OOCly [especially the latter], and contributing actively to a realistic RP experience. You asked out in certain proximities [notably, only Sharina, who is often busy with RL, like you], and after being refused a reply, you decided to wage it on your own, despite invitations from other people. And as far as I am concerned, it is you who thinks to be big and needs to learn the patience of being small [I've learned that lesson several times, so don't even think of budging the argument in my face - whether you have or have not is the concern, as it is you yourself who confronts the issue].


So please consider making the amends for these developments. You have a growing neighbor [Asian China], who happens to be vehemently communist. You have the Philippines, who are not so communist [actually capitalists, if I guess right]. You have MC, who has command of a lot of neighboring territory. You have FOAM and EATO, you also have the bulk of Europe and Africa open to diplomatic envoys. I can't really help you in terms of military expansion, since the DPRK is kind of blocked up, but if you're lucky, you can probably wager yourself a partition of territory in Northeast China, with Asian China and UARCA. It'll give you some more room, an industrial base, and perhaps better leverage in the regional politics.

I've given you a lot of suggestions, so instead of challenging firmly established players in EV to make a venture to NS, challenge yourself to get firmly established in EV [and by following the rules too]. Besides that, some of our players are also NS players [Granate, Moorington, Kopparbergs, UE, among others...].

I hope that this finds you in good spirits, because I do want to see this work out, instead of turn out for the worse.


@ Sharina: I'd personally like to know what kind of concerns you have with Canadstein [aside from the confusing distinction between Candistan and the former] at the moment, because considering that we've already allowed one player to divvy up the CSA, I don't see a reason to disallow another player from doing the same.

One quick question.

Should Moorington lose his claims due to him not being active would his territories be frozen from RP Invasion by an active player.

ALSO


I've realized that in changing my map name, you guys are using an obsolete model for the map. Here's the updated URL:

http://www.freewebs.com/ducdesaintlazare/ALMMAP.PNG

I am interested in taking part in this RP and wish to know how to join.

Czechalrus

I am interested in taking part in this RP and wish to know how to join.
Great!

Select one or a couple of nations to claim, and post your choice here.

Some suggestions (based on your name, I'll assume you would prefere some easter European countries):

Belarus
Lithuania
Estonia
Finland
Slovakia
Hungary

And by Jan 31st, Ukraine and Moldavia probably will be available, as Recolitius (?) has been declared inactive by that date.

I would love to have another communistic nation here in Earth-V, as it's a bit lonely to be the only real communistic nation here in Earth-V. But I'm backed up by Great Romeo (Russia and Rumania). If you're not communistic, then you're welcome anyway...

I am interested in taking part in this RP and wish to know how to join.
Just like Asian China said, pick a country (or a couple, depening on your NS population) to claim. Post your claim here and wait for TG6R och Sharina to recognize your claim.

New players are always welcome here in Earth-V, but please - try to stay active! We've had a couple of players that made their claims, and then failed to RP...

Just to prove a point...

And to critique the last statement [4], you don't have the liberty to move them out of nowhere. I want to know the location troops so people can't godmod and say "my army in Iraq has arrived Venezuela" and vice versa. I want people to move their troops, rather than saying that they arrive at a certain point, because moving troops is a very expensive and costly thing, especially if you're doing in contested waters.

If they aren't mobilized, they aren't moving an inch either.

And I've said this numerous times, WAR pertinent stuff belongs in the WAR Threads [IC or OOC...].

I never said I had the liberty, I said I had the flexibility. I already gave you my declaration of where my troops are and furthermore, I fully intend to Roleplay their movement- using your example here is a sample of how I would RP my troops coming from Iraq to Venezuela (That is if I controlled Iraq).

Sample IC: Having assembled the necessary forces [assume those necessary forces have already been stated to have been mobilized], (Enter units here) began to load the ships throughout the next few hours. All equipment was stowed and checked for the long journey ahead. To make sure the Assault force got to it's destination undamaged, the following ships were assigned to the Assault Fleet for protection. {State number of ships and their types, sometimes I also state their names if it's a small number}. As the Fleet began to sail, it would group up outside the Red Sea and then with good speed proceed towards Venezuela and strike at the enemy with all weapons in the arsenal. Until, the Fleet could assemble into some type of defensive formation outside the Red Sea, Third Fleet (Again, I would state type of ships and how many made up third Fleet.) would escort the Assault Fleet out of the Red Sea by projecting it's presence ahead to determine if any threat lay nearby and if it found any enemy activity to take care of it pronto.

OCC: Ok, so I would stop there to give players time to read and acknowledge that post. After, a day or two-I would pick up where I left off of the Fleet entering the Indian Ocean. From there I would continue the RP of the Fleet sailing to Venezuela and adjusting the RP if the Fleet came under attack or had to put in a friendly port, so on and so on.

For the record, his question I didn't find pertinent to the war. He was asking me about my military fact book. When, I raised some issues about others military fact books that thankfully got answer-I posted my issues in here.

If, I would have thought it pertinent to the war you can rest assured I would have post it in the thread for the Americas, whichever one.

I will be unable to post or check out Czechalrus until very late tonight or tomorrow because I won't be home all day today.

I will be unable to post or check out Czechalrus until very late tonight or tomorrow because I won't be home all day today.

Czechalrus has shown a lot of interest, so I hope that his acceptance is granted soon, to allow him to get on to making a claim [although he really should make a claim first, so there's something to evaluate]

I never said I had the liberty, I said I had the flexibility. I already gave you my declaration of where my troops are and furthermore, I fully intend to Roleplay their movement- using your example here is a sample of how I would RP my troops coming from Iraq to Venezuela (That is if I controlled Iraq).

Sample IC: Having assembled the necessary forces [assume those necessary forces have already been stated to have been mobilized], (Enter units here) began to load the ships throughout the next few hours. All equipment was stowed and checked for the long journey ahead. To make sure the Assault force got to it's destination undamaged, the following ships were assigned to the Assault Fleet for protection. {State number of ships and their types, sometimes I also state their names if it's a small number}. As the Fleet began to sail, it would group up outside the Red Sea and then with good speed proceed towards Venezuela and strike at the enemy with all weapons in the arsenal. Until, the Fleet could assemble into some type of defensive formation outside the Red Sea, Third Fleet (Again, I would state type of ships and how many made up third Fleet.) would escort the Assault Fleet out of the Red Sea by projecting it's presence ahead to determine if any threat lay nearby and if it found any enemy activity to take care of it pronto.

OCC: Ok, so I would stop there to give players time to read and acknowledge that post. After, a day or two-I would pick up where I left off of the Fleet entering the Indian Ocean. From there I would continue the RP of the Fleet sailing to Venezuela and adjusting the RP if the Fleet came under attack or had to put in a friendly port, so on and so on.

For the record, his question I didn't find pertinent to the war. He was asking me about my military fact book. When, I raised some issues about others military fact books that thankfully got answer-I posted my issues in here.

If, I would have thought it pertinent to the war you can rest assured I would have post it in the thread for the Americas, whichever one.

The statement was not referring to the "liberty" or "flexibility" per se, but more about this: "to pull them out of nowhere" - Liberty or flexibility, you can't just put them out of nowhere [unless this is me taking a light bit of sarcasm too seriously]. But thanks for demonstrating what I would expect if it were a real post. I think that Vineyard's original post would have better belonged in the OOC thread, although I can't remember for what reason now...

One quick question.

Should Moorington lose his claims due to him not being active would his territories be frozen from RP Invasion by an active player.
I cannot see why it should be frozen. If you're going after, say Turkey, you'll have my full support!

I'd like to see Czechalrus post again with more details, like what exactly does he want, and a sample of his RP if possible. It'll make it much easier for me to see whether he's serious about staying in Earth V, or if he's gonna be like Moorington and Recolitus (going off to other RP's like Earth 1935 and forget about Earth V RP'ing).

I have not seen Candistein post in a week, so his membership status is still uncertain whether to be granted or not (on top of the issues I'm discussing with TGSR).

I have to be somewhat more strict with admissions because of the available claims and trying to get players who are actually comitted to Earth V RP'ing.

I cannot see why it should be frozen. If you're going after, say Turkey, you'll have my full support!

Actually yes.

Turkey to me solves a few problems. One: It may quell the Kurds. Since the whole incident with the Kurds in my country happened because of Turkey. Two: It gives me greater acess to the Mediterranean. Three: It allows me to increase my naval tonnage.

Well, allow me to be frank.

I have auctually considered invading turkey to annex the small parcel of land it had on the otherside of the Golden Horn. As for mainland Turkey, I could care less. I only want the land for strategic purposes. Also Istanbul is a nice bonus.

At any rate, I have my eyes set on these:
-Bulgaria
-The Western part of Turkey
-Hungary
-Slovakia
-Austria*

*Austria is designated as "UN" territory... and the UN has no role and is defunct in Earth V... So as to why the UN still controls an entire country is beyond me.

Im back :cool:

I have not seen Candistein post in a week, so his membership status is still uncertain whether to be granted or not (on top of the issues I'm discussing with TGSR).

Actually I have nothing to really post about, since E20 is going threw a time warp.

hehe...UE, do you remember that plot to kill your king? Well, in my thread Operation Fat Cat, his days are sort of coming to an end. So this is the last time just to make sure I can take him out. If you want him to live, I could have the attempt end in total failure with him being either wounded or not harmed at all, but, as you may have guessed, It'd be better if he got whacked rather than lived (for me, at least).

We really should take into consideration that a lot of IC action that should be happening isn't happening at the moment. People involved in the war should be focused on ending it.

And, the World Cup is nearly underway!!!!!!! You guys [those not directly involved in the conflict] are not fully and appreciably exploiting that opportunity!!!

So anyway, the last ring of the qualifiers will go out and we'll have our little fun with the World Cup this week. I'll try to make each post vocal and noticed, so you guys can have fun with it, but otherwise it's upon you to do something with it.

And if people haven't realized it yet, TG6R is our beautiful inaugural host for the WC, so let's hope that he's gotten something great for us. [As to who hosts the next one, that's still in discussion with the Association...]. And yes, the World Cup will have its own thread, so don't be shy!!!



Ehhh... one more thing, if any new players want to join the Association, they can go here and make an application. You won't be able to participate in this year's World Cup, but give a few friendlies and you might put yourself head for the ranks coming up this Season's close!

I've sold oil @ $40/bbl [to Asian China]

Great Romeo has sold oil @ ~$42/bbl [to Asian China]

Kopparbergs is selling oil @ $44.50/bbl [to RUN]

Talking about inflation...

Are there any Middle East or Muslim nations left open?
I am fairly certain my old nations are no longer available.

Are there any Middle East or Muslim nations left open?
I am fairly certain my old nations are no longer available.

Is the name Verlan? And as to any Muslim countries open, not yet... But you're welcome to look around and see if any countries are of interest to you:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109

No, Bedou is who I have always been.
I am back after a re-up.

If you check my factbook in my signature you will find all my old land claims...I think someo the nations involved have been deleted.

In the map thread it suggests that Lebanon is open...but I wasnt certain how old the that list was.

Lebanon is indeed open!!!!!

Small, but open!!!

[and Verlan is an Arabic slang version of French...]

I've sold oil @ $40/bbl [to Asian China]

Great Romeo has sold oil @ ~$42/bbl [to Asian China]

Kopparbergs is selling oil @ $44.50/bbl [to RUN]

Talking about inflation...

Bah- that's cheap! Where is our OPEC...actually....I need to talk to you. My apologies to the rest of the world. :)

Cheap, but the price is rising... I basically started the price @ $40/bbl, knowing that RL prices range at about $50 to $60...

And as far as OPEC goes, you're looking at them [I have 13mil bbl of oil for export, GR has 10mil bbl, Kopparbergs is exporting 1.1mil bbl at the moment, and heaven knows who else has enough oil for export [maybe Warta Endor...]

I've sold oil @ $40/bbl [to Asian China]

Great Romeo has sold oil @ ~$42/bbl [to Asian China]

Kopparbergs is selling oil @ $44.50/bbl [to RUN]

Talking about inflation...
He said 32.26 USD/bbl in his post. ;)

And speaking of trade prices, I would strongly encourage people to make an economic declaration at this thread:


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512459

hehe...UE, do you remember that plot to kill your king? Well, in my thread Operation Fat Cat, his days are sort of coming to an end. So this is the last time just to make sure I can take him out. If you want him to live, I could have the attempt end in total failure with him being either wounded or not harmed at all, but, as you may have guessed, It'd be better if he got whacked rather than lived (for me, at least).

I'm fine with you trying to kill him, in fact- I have an outstanding Earth V Random Event I've been wanting to use. It works for both of us. So, I join that RP and see how it goes. Who knows, you might get to kill him after all. :D

But, first your going to have to find him. :D

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12180351&postcount=2214-see link, it will make you laugh.

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Cheap, but the price is rising... I basically started the price @ $40/bbl, knowing that RL prices range at about $50 to $60...

And as far as OPEC goes, you're looking at them [I have 13mil bbl of oil for export, GR has 10mil bbl, Kopparbergs is exporting 1.1mil bbl at the moment, and heaven knows who else has enough oil for export [maybe Warta Endor...]

Venezuela is also a member of OPEC, which is kind of funny considering most of the other members of OPEC hate the Republic and indirectly Venezuela. And everyone wonders why Venezuela is so paranoid. LOL

Even more funnier, it was Venezuela that pretty much got OPEC started. See for yourself, here's some information on OPEC. The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) is an international organization made up of Algeria, Angola, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Venezuela. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC)

So, the Republic does have the ability to export. However, since trading partners couldn't be found it was deemed easier to export to just members of the Republic. Only recently have I (The Republic) needed to import Oil, but the Republic deemed it better to import. Trade relationships can be a good thing as it sets a precedent.

lol what a coincidence. Yeah...that will be hard to figure out where he lives. But I'll find a way...

I know of Venezuela's export potential, but that's in part to its low consumption rate. By far, the USA produces more oil than Venezuela produces, but the fact is that the USA also consumes far more [I'd guesstimate 60% more] oil than what it can produce. Judging on the RL stats for the RUN, Venezuela would happen to reduce the RUN's penchant for oil, not eliminate it. Although Venezuela itself could serve oil on its own, if the majority of its oil was reserved for the RUN, then conceivably Venezuela would form a part of the OPEC bloc.

But that's my explicit reason for not including Venezuela. I could have also mentioned Warta Endor [but he's not present], UARCA [but he's the person to whom I was replying... if he doesn't know he's part of OPEC, then there's a problem...], and Vineyard [actually, maybe not, but he's got enough oil producing states to outdo the oil-guzzling states]. But I guess, the point is that the pool has certainly shrunk since last we checked...

I know of Venezuela's export potential, but that's in part to its low consumption rate. By far, the USA produces more oil than Venezuela produces, but the fact is that the USA also consumes far more [I'd guesstimate 60% more] oil than what it can produce. Judging on the RL stats for the RUN, Venezuela would happen to reduce the RUN's penchant for oil, not eliminate it. Although Venezuela itself could serve oil on its own, if the majority of its oil was reserved for the RUN, then conceivably Venezuela would form a part of the OPEC bloc.

But that's my explicit reason for not including Venezuela. I could have also mentioned Warta Endor [but he's not present], UARCA [but he's the person to whom I was replying... if he doesn't know he's part of OPEC, then there's a problem...], and Vineyard [actually, maybe not, but he's got enough oil producing states to outdo the oil-guzzling states]. But I guess, the point is that the pool has certainly shrunk since last we checked...

I do have the prized oil sands of Canada. ;)

I do have the Caspian Sea.... Azerbaijan does produce alot of Oil for a country it's size.

okay...

so a lot more people want to export oil? fine... [not to discredit any of them... as long as you produce more than you consume...]

I've sold oil @ $40/bbl [to Asian China]
Great Romeo has sold oil @ ~$42/bbl [to Asian China]
Kopparbergs is selling oil @ $44.50/bbl [to RUN]
Talking about inflation...
We will gladly increase our petroleum exportation immediately to met your nation's need of 2,100,000 bbl/day. Our price for your nation would be 32.26 USD/bbl.
Our price/bbl from Great Romeo is ten dollars cheaper, 32.26. There are som deflation too...
But I think Kopparbergs did a great deal @44.50.

If they haven't been taken yet I would like the Ukrainian/Poland area.

If they haven't been taken yet I would like the Ukrainian/Poland area.

Both are taken for now, Poland by TGSR and it looks like Ukraine will be opening up soon. Instead of Poland might I suggest Belarus.

Here's an up to date map, http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109

Both are taken for now, Poland by TGSR and it looks like Ukraine will be opening up soon. Instead of Poland might I suggest Belarus.

Here's an up to date map, http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109

I would like Belarus and Slovakia

I would like Belarus and Slovakia

I'm inclined to grant the claims to you. However, I'd like to know what kind of RP'ing we can expect from you (a sample would be nice). I have to ask this question as there have been several players who come in, claim land, then never RP again.

Lebanon is indeed open!!!!!

Small, but open!!!

[and Verlan is an Arabic slang version of French...]
Bon, fantastic...though Lebanon isnt quite "Bedouin" perse' that never stopped me before.

I will have to edit my old factbook and remove my old EV claims...damn.

If it is alright I will start with Lebanon and pick my other two at a later date where I can make it RP related.


Unfortunately Alif I am neither Arab nor Muslim, Bedou is just an essentially muslim nation I created(I am Skibereen, Bedou is my alternate nation) I rp'd in earth V with it longtime ago.
So I dont speak Arabic...though I try to not butcher the language when I do reference it.

Also I hope there is no expectation that I be a radical Islamist State hell bent on the destruction of the West...ORRRR.....a puppet to Western Imperial powers.

I always RP the Bedou people as being Islamic Fundametal Reformists.
If any of the old nations are still around I do believe a few have my Wadi Rum Islamic schools in them.

Anyway I would indeed like to claim Lebanon.

Bon, fantastic...though Lebanon isnt quite "Bedouin" perse' that never stopped me before.

I will have to edit my old factbook and remove my old EV claims...damn.

If it is alright I will start with Lebanon and pick my other two at a later date where I can make it RP related.


Unfortunately Alif I am neither Arab nor Muslim, Bedou is just an essentially muslim nation I created(I am Skibereen, Bedou is my alternate nation) I rp'd in earth V with it longtime ago.
So I dont speak Arabic...though I try to not butcher the language when I do reference it.

Also I hope there is no expectation that I be a radical Islamist State hell bent on the destruction of the West...ORRRR.....a puppet to Western Imperial powers.

I always RP the Bedou people as being Islamic Fundametal Reformists.
If any of the old nations are still around I do believe a few have my Wadi Rum Islamic schools in them.

Anyway I would indeed like to claim Lebanon.

You seem like quite a reasonable RP'er and player. I therefore grant you membership and your claim of Lebanon is now official. I look forward to seeing your RP's here in Earth V!

I've sold oil @ $40/bbl [to Asian China]
Great Romeo has sold oil @ ~$42/bbl [to Asian China]
Kopparbergs is selling oil @ $44.50/bbl [to RUN]
Talking about inflation...
Asian China is bunkering up all available oil...
Nah, good to see some realistic trade.

And I think both RUN and I made a good deal with the oil.

Didnt know where else to put this.
Breif intro...not done at all, I hope it is acceptable.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515391

Bon, fantastic...though Lebanon isnt quite "Bedouin" perse' that never stopped me before.
If it is alright I will start with Lebanon and pick my other two at a later date where I can make it RP related.

Also I hope there is no expectation that I be a radical Islamist State hell bent on the destruction of the West...ORRRR.....a puppet to Western Imperial powers.
If any of the old nations are still around I do believe a few have my Wadi Rum Islamic schools in them.
Welcome Bedou! I remember you from the old days! Good to see old gamers come back.

I'm controlling Israel and Jordan in the Middle East (and a buch of nations in western Africa). I've left Lebanon open on purpose, as I love to have neighbors to RP with. If I invaded every available nation neighboring my nations, there would be no nations left to claim.

No one is expecting something from Lebanon, as that nations has been unclaimed all the time since the revamp. You can form it as you want (almost).

Welcome!

Cool, you are still listed as having a Bedou colony in your regular nation.
Hope that is still alright. Nice to see some people around who remember me.

I did make mention of the former tensions between Hezbollah and Isreal...does that fit with your Isreal?

.............
Also I had a question on economics.
ITo calculate my GDP I used thirdgeek divided lebanese pop by my pop (.001) multiplied that to my GDP and got a figure...I assumed that if my defense budget was to be calculated this was then so too would my GDP.
However this begs the question...do I use the thirdgeek percentage as my military budget or the more realistic 2-4% of my GDP?
I have no problem using he thirdgeek percentages for everything...it doesnt conflict with my national designs and if that is what everyone has been doing then cool....if more realistic percentages are expected then that is cool too.

But just as an indicator...thirdgeek places my defense budget at 22% of my GDP now while fine for NS that isnt a very realistic number...again if that is what everyone else is doing then booyah to that. I just need to know.

Oh I also found the other nations I wish to use....
Though I will not be incorporating them directly...I will take minute.
They are Senegal and Guinea.

My timetable for claim-clearing is as follows:

Moorington - Sunday Jan. 21
Braska - end of Feburary (same as Azaha and Warta Endor)
Recolitus - Wed. Jan 31
Constantinalia - Sunday Jan. 21


I am wondering if this has taken effect.

Sorry about my long absense, Im having computer difficulties.:)

I'm inclined to grant the claims to you. However, I'd like to know what kind of RP'ing we can expect from you (a sample would be nice). I have to ask this question as there have been several players who come in, claim land, then never RP again.

Well here is what my orders look like:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/0/07/200px-Russia_coa.svg.png
Defense Department of Czechalrus

The Republic of Czechalrus would like to order:

100 Antonov An-225 = $17,500,000,000

Total = $17,500,000,000

*Money has been wired in advance, its a pleasure doing business.

Also check my military page and storefronts for more examples.

Okay, time to find probable cause. Easy, I'll just say some random crap about him allowing Kurdish Genocide, which he was allowing in a small way.

Czechalrus, I'd like to say that I'm willing to give you a chance in Earth V, and see what kinds of RP you can do here with the other players. You can take up shop and start RP'ing the rise of your government and start diplomacy and such with other players.

Granate, it should have already taken effect (considering ALM edits the claims list on the map thread as I can't edit his posts or TGSR's claims posts). As of today, Moorington and Constantinalia are out of Earth V. Recolitus has 10 more days, and Braska has 5 more weeks (same as Azaha and Warta Endor) to post something.

RUN...the time is ticking down! At the moment, the assassin has made his way onto Spanish soil on a remote Southern beach and is travelling towards Madrid. Have you decided if the King lives or dies yet?

FYI, school is starting up for me, soooo... for the next few days [and perhaps weeks], I will be focusing a lot of attention away from Earth V - it does not mean that I've lost interest; RL is going to start murdering me though, if I continue to devote as much attention to NS as I have been for the past four weeks.

I will try to have everything updated by tomorrow.

Czechalrus, I'd like to say that I'm willing to give you a chance in Earth V, and see what kinds of RP you can do here with the other players. You can take up shop and start RP'ing the rise of your government and start diplomacy and such with other players.

Granate, it should have already taken effect (considering ALM edits the claims list on the map thread as I can't edit his posts or TGSR's claims posts). As of today, Moorington and Constantinalia are out of Earth V. Recolitus has 10 more days, and Braska has 5 more weeks (same as Azaha and Warta Endor) to post something.

True to both statements!!!

World Cup is now open! Congrats to all who made it!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515578

Damn, I joined too late to get a world cup shot...oh well maybe next time.

The Guy who owns Tanzania, is he still on?

DONE!

As promised the projected has been completed. Over 2,000 posts throughout the 162 pages and over 5 hours of work. I have finished it!

I'm never ever going through all that ever again. Next time, I'm keeping my mouth shut.

If, you guys ever wanted to know what you said in the occ thread over the past year- now's your time to ask as I've gone through it all. Man, that was a nightmare- however the agruement between DP and Brinkman over some little islands in the Pacific was quite amusing to say the least.

Reading the debates over how the population should be calculated was funny reading it in hindsight. 3-4 pages of nothing but, No, the Pop should be this. Add to that you had the budgets debates that raged on for pages. :rolleyes:

Did you know Maldorians has joined Earth V three times and left twice? First he claimed Pakistan then left, then came back and claimed Guinea then left and then came back and claimed Belarus though I couldn't find a post of that being confirmed and then he ask to claim Afghanistan and Pakistan; one of the countries he first claimed. All of this in less then a year. Go Figure. :rolleyes:

I counted at least over 30 players that have applied for Earth V membership and most of them fading away after not posting anything at all. Some, were better then others, but rarely.

But, the project is done as I promised it would be. It was a Nightmare to complete, but true to my word I did it.

I could go on rambling but, I think I close with these posts. As, to when I have it posted. That will be sometime tomorrow.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12001111&postcount=1894

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12001572&postcount=1895

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12002704&postcount=1897 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12002704&postcount=1897)

Kudos, U.E,

Guess someone had to do it.

good job old chap:)

Damn, I joined too late to get a world cup shot...oh well maybe next time.

there's always another opportunity ;)

Sorry to bother you (again...) UE but did you get the last message to you on the page before this? Your answer to it is kind of important for that RP with your king. Thanks!

Sorry to bother you (again...) UE but did you get the last message to you on the page before this? Your answer to it is kind of important for that RP with your king. Thanks!

Yes, I did get your last message I just didn't have time to response. Yes, I've decided the fate of the king, just let me know which Thread your going to be role-playing in and I be there.

It's called Operation: Fat Cat
Here's the link> http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514827

I could have a mapmaking job. Here's a rather outdated version of my regional map that I drew...


~~MAP OF THE AEDN~~ (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theaednmapya7.jpg)

I could have a mapmaking job. Here's a rather outdated version of my regional map that I drew...


~~MAP OF THE AEDN~~ (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=theaednmapya7.jpg)

I appreciate the thought and your enthuaism. However, we already have a mapmaker. He's Alif Laam Miim. He uses the RL Earth map, and colors in the nation claims there, as we're roleplaying on a RL Earth, not NS Earth.

OOC: See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-ise#-ise_.2F_-ize).

Ah, I know of that, but here's the question:

emphasise = to stress as important, to note as critical

empathize = to share feelings, to acknowledge a common bond between two or more entities [usually of sentience].

He wrote emphasise when I think he means empathize...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515922

Senegal, Guinnea additions these are the final nations to complete my claims...I will revise stats later after gaining some depth.

Ah, I know of that, but here's the question:

emphasise = to stress as important, to note as critical

empathize = to share feelings, to acknowledge a common bond between two or more entities [usually of sentience].

He wrote emphasise when I think he means empathize...
He also forgot an "although" at the beginning of that clause if he meant "empathize"/"empathise."*

*Now that's a rarity: a chiefly British spelling with American punctuation rules. :)

[ooc: this is one reason why my government does not particularly like the idea of using Allah in a politically entangling manner - as now you've have declared war on two states that have been given protections for their sovereignty by numerous players...]

OOC: Citizen unrest is not war. And if I was to just say the governments just jumped up and said "yeah!! I want to join up!!!" that would be lame.

A government being pressured by its citizens to take actions is not war.

That is like saying if Catholics took up arms to defend the church they would be declaring war on the state by demanding the state take action.--in other words it would be wrong.

Now the nations were open, I claimed them as a 3 billion plus nation--instead of just having the nations all decide to be buddies--which is just plain stupid. And takes no RP skill what so ever, completely lacks any originality---I did what is at least remorely realistic----I used the national demographic to begin to effect political change.




However, no Sovereign nation has been violated as it is the CITIZENS who make the nation.

Tell me how do you explain your nations being united? Did they just all agree to be friends for no reason? Because without some ideological reason that is nothing short of impossible---religious agreement especially in Islam is singularly the most motivating factor for such an event---Bedou Islam(Wadi Rum) is the unifying factor here and like traditional islam before the schisms of the Imams and Caliphate debates ---it has not predilection to ethnicity or national origin.

My explanation and unification of these nations is the most thoughtout I have read thus far---while not being exceedingly verbose.


So if these nurmerous players wish to ensure the sovereignty of the nations of Senegal and Guinea then I expect they will support the majority of the citizens.

AND

Finally,
The Bedou religion has no political entanglements--the citizens have made demands of the government. This is not a decalration of war on one state to antoher or to one faith to a state.
It is a declaration of the citizens that there will be internal consequenses if their governments do not;
1. Defend the majority religion
2. Up hold and defend the sovereignty of nations being attacked using said majority religion as a shield.
3. represent the wishes of the people as the government is expected to---

The understanding is that with the Sutlan's declaration of Jihad, all Bedou were now at war...everywhere.
The declaration had been made and so anyone should consider it to men that any Bedou they encountered were at war.

Already Bedou from other parts of Africa were making their slow way to Senegal and Guinnea to rally...and with all likelihood began an offnesive war against those whom the Sultan proclaimed Jihad against.

here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12256238&postcount=1)

Jihad is an invocation of a "holy struggle" - which is the epitome of the Muslim's war [be it with himself, other evils, or the world]. You say yourself that it is a war. It might not be a war between two official governments, but the end result is a conflict, and invoking the Divine to achieve a political objective is something that my government does not like. It does not matter the people invoked the Sultan to invoke God, my government does not like it.

As far as conquering and assimilation, I was rather secular in my approach, claiming the conquests in an effort for national security and defense [like old empires, one could say...]. And I have come near the point where Hadrian started to build the walls to say that Rome is satisfied, or where the Qin decided that his Dynasty was large enough to build a wall to his north, or where the other olden empires laid their arms to rest. I will admit that I violated quite a bit of some other's national sovereignties, but I've justified it enough to consider that they were violating mine first.

And as a note, I wasn't calling anything seriously oocly against it - I was just explaining that you're obviously willing to strike up a potential IC firestorm to enter territories that were guaranteed their independence from foreign intervention . And the last that I saw, bedouin tribes did not form the majority of the demographics of West Africa, particularly in Senegal and Guinea. Perhaps, "per capita", they hold the most, but that "per capita" is rather small. According to some websites, only 1% of the Senegalese population is of Lebanese descent, and the clear majority of Senegal is Wolof. So as far as your invocation of God [I]and of a minority demographic, I find it difficult to imagine.

And as far as I am concerned, it is your responsibility to cultivate your country in a manner that renders it successful in the international community. Every state must do that, and at times it may mean caving to the desires of others to preserve the sovereignty of your own state for today. I can personally attribute my success to that - a little quid pro quo for today, and I become stronger from it. But simply taking up everything at one time in one place - that might stir up some problems, and then people might have a contention with you, especially if the people don't ICly like it. Not being a Muslim, I'm not offended by your state ICly declaring jihad, so I hope that that is cleared.

Of course, this is all banking on the idea that you've declared jihad against the fundamentally opposed governments of Senegal and Guinea - which are IRL fundamentally strong democracies [more so Senegal than Guinea]. And if anything, my IC government would much prefer a stable non-fundamentalist country than the opposed, because it's much nicer to deal with governments that do not actively flaunt God as a major tenet of their own state [as opposed to the world]. IF this is NOT a declaration of Holy Struggle against the opposed governments of Guinea and Senegal, then please clarify against what exactly you are performing jihad, because there is also the matter of interpretation that I personally feel is lacking.

Jihad is an invocation of a "holy struggle" - which is the epitome of the Muslim's war [be it with himself, other evils, or the world].
You say yourself that it is a war. It might not be a war between two official governments, but the end result is a conflict, and invoking the Divine to achieve a political objective is something that my government does not like. It does not matter the people invoked the Sultan to invoke God, my government does not like it.

All Jihad is "war" and all Jihad is the obligation of the Muslim, not the choice. All muslims participate in Jihad--the only thing open to interpretation is how they will engage in Jihad not if.

As far as conquering and assimilation, I was rather secular in my approach, claiming the conquests in an effort for national security and defense [like old empires, one could say...].
One could also say you defied all cultural reality in realtion to the region you roleplay...if one wnated to tell you how to RP your nation.

And I have come near the point where Hadrian started to build the walls to say that Rome is satisfied, or where the Qin decided that his Dynasty was large enough to build a wall to his north, or where the other olden empires laid their arms to rest. I will admit that I violated quite a bit of some other's national sovereignties, but I've justified it enough to consider that they were violating mine first.
I dont need to demonstrate a violation of national sovereignty;
1. Senegal and Guinea are mine.
2. This isnt political--I am sorry that is beyond your scope of understanding.
3. I dont need to explain every move I make to you. As the only authority I recognise in Earth V is G6 and Sharina as respect RPer.
You, I answer out of courtesy.


And as a note, I wasn't calling anything seriously oocly against it - I was just explaining that you're obviously willing to strike up a potential IC firestorm to enter territories that were guaranteed their independence from foreign intervention [if anyone remembers the last intervention in Africa...]
You posted OOCly, and any action risks a potential IC firestorm as you put it, hence the point ofthe roleplay...conflict be it religious, political or economic.

And the last that I saw, bedouin tribes did not form the majority of the demographics of West Africa, particularly in Senegal and Guinea. That would be important if I was rping as Bedouin tribes...since that is only a portion of my demographic it is a strawman. As Bedou is an Ideology, not a ethnic or national group I dont see where you are going with this.

Perhaps, "per capita", they hold the most, but that "per capita" is rather small. According to some websites, only 1% of the Senegalese population is of Lebanese descent, and the clear majority of Senegal is Wolof. So as far as your invocation of God and of a minority demographic, I find it difficult to imagine.
See point marked (1.) where I clearify--Senegal and Guinea are mine the Muslims there are majority Bedou(Wadi Rum)--so you dont need to imagine it--I told you so. Just like you told everyone how the Muslims in your nations reacted to the Blanket secularisation of there Theocratic states. Good for you that you didnt have to deal with yourself or you would have to waste you time with pointless OOC posts about the opinions of others on your IC concepts in nations you hold claim over.

And as far as I am concerned, You make the assumptions;
1b. that I care what you are concerned with.
2b. that what you are concerned with is the law of the land.
3b. that somehow you misunderstanding of reality is my problem.
it is your responsibility to cultivate your country in a manner that renders it successful in the international community.
Ineed it is. As I see fit, not as you see fit--you roleplay your nations.

Every state must do that, and at times it may mean caving to the desires of others to preserve the sovereignty of your own state for today. You dont decide for everyone how that is accomplished. Iam not new to the world, NS, or Earth V. I was one ofthe first people to RP with G6 in Earth V so spare me what your opinion of what I should is, because I didnt request you to offer it, did I?

I can personally attribute my success to that - a little quid pro quo for today, and I become stronger from it.
The point? I again didnt ask for why you pat yourself on the back and dont see how it is on point here...but I suppose you might feel better letting people know every now and then.

But simply taking up everything at one time in one place - that might stir up some problems, and then people might have a contention with you, especially if the people don't ICly like it.
Not really a concern of mine. Maybe if you let me get ten posts in before you try hijacking my authority over my nations--but that would be Roleplaying courtesy...I note that wasnt one of the things you attribute your success too...whatever success there is in Roleplaying.

Not being a Muslim, I'm not offended by your state ICly declaring jihad, so I hope that that is cleared. You should clearify that also not knowing that much about Islam--as you clearly dont. Yet you keep trying to connect it to politics in a way it isnt connected...at least not yet.


Of course, this is all banking on the idea that you've declared jihad against the fundamentally opposed governments of Senegal and Guinea - which are IRL fundamentally strong democracies [more so Senegal than Guinea].
well why I would declare a Holy War against my own nations...I have no idea...and I never said I did...work on your reading skills.
As I stated plainly and clearly the citizen of a nation making demands on thier government is not a threat to its sovereignty---and while you were on wiki readin about Senegal and Guinea you might note that they are as I stated Demogrphically Muslim Majority--and since as you point out Democracies they bend to the will of the people--Democracies do that, not Depots.


And if anything, my IC government would much prefer a stable non-fundamentalist country than the opposed, because it's much nicer to deal with governments that do not actively flaunt God as a major tenet of their own state [as opposed to the world].
I am not interested in what you would prefer OOCly, because all of your posts in opposition have been OOC so this is obviously by action OOC and not IC in nature. My nations are wadi-Rum Fundamentalists--who are diametrically opposed to Terror Tactics as by definition they are directed on civilians. See my posts for Ethics of War.


IF this is NOT a declaration of Holy Struggle against the opposed governments of Guinea and Senegal,then please clarify against what exactly you are performing jihad I have explained twice to you what and who I was declaring Jihad on...figure it out.


, because there is also the matter of interpretation that I personally feel is lacking.
Interpretation is a function of the one taking in the information not he one presenting---how is that for clearity of language.
Since I clearly stated to you who and what i was declaring Jihad on the first time you asked it seems you are the one with the problem.


Finally,
I want to be very clear so there is no confusion.
I dont know who you are in realtion to being an authority in Earth V--and I frankly do not care at this point.

If you are someone that G6 has made some type of moderator then he obviously had a lapse in judgement as far as I am concerned.

I dont want anymore of your OOC clutter in my IC threads.
I dont want to be harrassed with your incessant critiques of pointless issues that could be understood by anyone reading my posts who aactually makes an effort to do so without prattling off.
I am not interested in what is clearly an OOC bias you have against a theocratic Islamic nation being your neighbor---a role I had fully intended would be completely peaceful as I loathe war RPs.

In closing I want a ruling---

I want G6 to tell me I have to take your harrassment if I want to be part of Earth V.

Since you seem to be the sort who likes a little OOC discussion, I will help to clarify some points out:

1 - You first tell me that there is not war, and after been shown that you declared a jihad, you acknowledge that these is war. For what reason are you randomly attacking Senegal and Guinea, because as I can recall, you never claimed them in your initial claims, as is evidenced in this post here:

Bon, fantastic...though Lebanon isnt quite "Bedouin" perse' that never stopped me before.

I will have to edit my old factbook and remove my old EV claims...damn.

If it is alright I will start with Lebanon and pick my other two at a later date where I can make it RP related.


Unfortunately Alif I am neither Arab nor Muslim, Bedou is just an essentially muslim nation I created(I am Skibereen, Bedou is my alternate nation) I rp'd in earth V with it longtime ago.
So I dont speak Arabic...though I try to not butcher the language when I do reference it.

Also I hope there is no expectation that I be a radical Islamist State hell bent on the destruction of the West...ORRRR.....a puppet to Western Imperial powers.

I always RP the Bedou people as being Islamic Fundametal Reformists.
If any of the old nations are still around I do believe a few have my Wadi Rum Islamic schools in them.

Anyway I would indeed like to claim Lebanon.

Absolutely no where is stated that you want to claim Guinea or Senegal, so contrary to what you would believe, you do not simply own them and will thence have to earn them through an RP, which may or may not be contested, depending on the methods you employ to acquire them - in part which I find interesting for your country to attack through three large countries to get to that partition of the world. So there will have to be a war to take these territories because they were not provided in your claims initially.

2 - Fortunately for you, I did have to contest with extremists - under the name Sistan and Asherton. And I did test my demons against them, and won the legitimacy to rule as a secular Islamist. Granted, the war ended because of a technicality, but I've earned my stripes for that one, and it's my IC objective to stamp out Islamic fundamentalism to prervent extremist ideologies from gaining sweep again.

3 - I perhaps regret having mentioned my comments oocly, because they have been interpreted as ooc bias against your country. Personally, I'm happy to have someone willing to RP a fundamentalist country, especially in the Middle East - it adds spice to the whole experience. But this is the last time I'll mention this ever again.

4 - I am not a moderator per se, but I am a very active member [not so much as once was do to studies...] and I hold a dear interest to the stability of my country. As it is with you, it is curiosity that brings my questions, not a challenge of authority or any sort. Ergo, TG6R has made no lapse of error because there is no error in appointing me a mod of anything [other than the maps, which really isn't a mod... but oh well...].

5 - I have only posted once in your thread, and have since then obliged as a courtesy to post in the OOC thread - unless this thread has suddenly become "yours".

6 - If you do not like harassment via curious onlookers, I'd suggest taking a step back and looking at all of the OOC threads and comments that have passed here because there is quite a bit of that here. I'm not trying to single you out, but you're the only one on at the moment that garners an interest.

7 - In terms of clearly answering the question, you have done nothing that regard, either expecting me to somehow find it again reading the words that I have done so for numerous times since I had brought this issue to your attention. It may be naivety as a non-Muslim, but given that you had believed that Guinea and Senegal were somehow yours to begin with, I think that this is where the disconnect occurred.

8 - I hope that this clears up some of my points [at least those that I care to argue now...]. As far as trying to maligning me by posting a resume longer than mine, please don't do that because at this point, that won't prove anything to me that's worth my or your time. I've hopefully kept to my rational side and not to any sort of bad discourse [as is sometimes the case]. If in bringing up these contentions I have somehow offended you, I sincerely apologize for having done so. However, it is not my intention to argue you oocly out of an IC commitment, or to convince you that you're wrong and I'm right [at the point, I don't care who's right or wrong] - as a person who values a good experience, I just want to know the situation better, and I'm at least glad that you've given me some replies that have allowed me to clear my points better. occurred

In closing I want a ruling---

I want G6 to tell me I have to take your harrassment if I want to be part of Earth V.
ALM is an "Adjudicator" of "maps, with occasional war duties" on Earth V. Although not part of his duties, he and other players (especially if Sharina and I do not notice it) occasionally may ask for clarification on an RP to ensure that it is realistic.

But you may want to re-read this:
And as a note, I wasn't calling anything seriously oocly against it - I was just explaining that you're obviously willing to strike up a potential IC firestorm to enter territories that were guaranteed their independence from foreign intervention
I believe that means he doesn't have any OOC problem with it. ALM simply appears to be giving advice throughout his post, besides a few areas he asks for clarification on.

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I would also like to use this moment to remind everyone that NS moderators and administrators still enforce the rules for "flameing" and "flamebaiting" on quasi-self-contained communities such as Earth V, so be careful to avoid this in OOC debates. Even an IC post that is not marked IC may be ruled as an OOC flame.

World Cup results are now officially in:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12265891#post12265891

With regards to your point 1.

[ooc: where did Bedou acquire Guinea and Senegal?]
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12258572&postcount=24

[ooc: umm, I didn't know that you asked for Guinea and Senegal... but they are open. I suppose that there's editing that needs to be done on my part...]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12258646&postcount=27


.

Oh I also found the other nations I wish to use....
Though I will not be incorporating them directly...I will take minute.
They are Senegal and Guinea.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12239192&postcount=2408

You are clearly a LIAR as you are the only one who noted my claims for Senegal and Guinea, Alif. As well, I already explained going on 4 times that I am not attacking Senegal or Guinea as they are my nations as YOU clearly noted before you posted any of this harrassing bullshit about not knowing...

2. I see nothing in your limited experience that is fortunate or unfortunate for me. Especially considering you just lied, piss poorly i might add--to back up your harrassing behavior.

3. Given the fact that you lied about knowing I claimed I senegal and Guinea and what G6 calls advice clearly isnt. This point of yours looks like another lie.

4. This should have been your first point---if you have even a modicum of decorum stop harrassing me---I have been RPing here for over years with various nations I dont need your "advice"---considering the amount of reading I have demonstrated to have done on the subjects i RP that should be clear. Also considering that Both Koppar and Sharina endorse my Roleplay here---given their status as RPers. Stop harrassing me, especially considering you have no authority to do so. Your inability to understand the clear answers I have given you---and dont make me quote the two long OOC responses from other threads where I already answered your questions and provbe you a liar twice.

5. One post too many--hecne the reason I moved it ot the OOC thread...note the order of posts of the fact my response is mirrored from there to here...you didnt choose to post here out of your own accord you pposted here because I brought here. No courtesy on your part at all.

6. No one else has a single question--and as stated above I brought into the OOC thread--not you. As no one else had a problem with anything I was doing. That would go back to lies about 1. Not knowing who I was declaring Jihad on after I answered you...I will happy to link that conversation as well if you require it to show you to be a liar again.
I have no problem with any QUESTIONS---you gave dictates, and bad ones if that.

7. Fine You are a Liar again that regard Quote and Link Below;
My post declaring Jihad-->http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12254245&postcount=1329

Alif asks what i mean-->[ooc: I don't know who you're declaring jihad against, but I don't like it one bit [ICly of course]...]
"
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12257441&postcount=1332


I answer--->OOC:
Jihad ash-munafiqin --Jihad against hypocrites...those who claim to be faithful and are not, this is not typically faught with weapons but rather discussion.
However the Bedou oath to protect People of the Book(Christians and Jews) from Islamic extremists who have led people astray in a war of hate and not defense of Islam.

The Bedou are traditional Islamic reformists...the muslims you want next door.
Unless you intend to slight the faith.

So the Jihad is declared against Islamic extremists who are commiting trecherous terrorist attacks on civilian targets killin women children and old people.
.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12258389&postcount=1342


Alif acknowledges understanding the answer-->[ooc: I apologize - not being fluent in Arabic or even Muslim, I did not know what sort of jihad you were declaring. I was hoping to read some context in your speech, but I was evenly split between you supporting the extremists and you supporting the URC and such. But now I know, and with good reason, I left the speech a little vague, although I did put your declaration in somewhat bad light, principally because my Emir doesn't believe in invoking Allah's will through jihad works politically or religiously. Nonetheless, now that he understands it better, he will likely render some support to your regime in combating the extremists. Although do be aware that the terrorists have now targeted your country for oppression next...]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12258683&postcount=1343

I give a more lengthy explanation to my overall intention with the declaration of Jihad and explanation of my culture, right beneath Alif's acknowledgement of understanding--->http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12258757&postcount=1344
Is there anything else you would like to lie about not understanding, or not knowing I will be happy to provide links and quotes to where prior to all of this you were made completely clear of the thing you claim now to be unclear on.

8. If by rational you mean making poor effort of deceit by not even editing your posts where you prove I have already answered all your question prior to your harrassment yet continue to mother me--and that you recognized my claims then later pretended not....yes you kept your rationale very consistant.

Oh, and dont ask me not to post a retort when you knew clearly you were making a direct effort to be deceptive. You are oocly beligerant towards me, or you obviously wouldnt have the need to lie about why you were asking all these question which the links clearly show above I answered more then 24hours before you posted in my IC thread.

Someone took somethings a little too far.

Just a note. There may be a ruling soon egarding E20, something I don't know if you guys have seen or not. Whatever the case, the ruling that affects whther it stays or does not on the NS forums could have a direct impact on us. I urge everyone to pay attention to the upcoming ruling- and if there are specific things addressed by the moderation staff we may have to change how Earth V is run or also disappear.

Just a head's up to everyone.

I'm sorry to bring this up, but I have bad news. I guess some E20 dumbass might get all NS Earths banned because he started the Holocaust. It was bad enough to put E20 Out of Commision, so I think we should watch out.

To address the last two posts:

Do not fear. We clearly are a NationStates RP, as we use our NationStates nations; the only difference is we use the earth as the setting, with real technology.

As The Most Glorious Hack writes (who is former Earth V player, actually :)):
If the other earths were like this, they would have been stepped on. The only reason I never paid any attention to E20 was because I made the mistake of assuming it was the same.

The other earths are people using their own nation in a real-world geographic location. For instance, I might claim Greenland for my nation. I'm not playing Greenland; I'm playing the Hack, with the Hack's history, timeline, and leadership.

Sorry I was absent for so long, what occured while I was gone?

I'm sorry to bring this up, but I have bad news. I guess some E20 dumbass might get all NS Earths banned because he started the Holocaust. It was bad enough to put E20 Out of Commision, so I think we should watch out.

Incorrect. We were bumped because we were alternate history.

Incorrect. We were bumped because we were alternate history.

Oh, sorry.

Oh, sorry.

No prob. Just correcting a misconception before rumors start spreading.:cool:

It is with much regret that I must announce my resignation from Earth V. At the moment I have prior responsibilities that need tending and rather then waste valuable land I wish to put it out to claim…with one catch!

The person taking over many lands must:
Be a new player to EV
Must claim all land that I own including the land in conquest
Must be a democracy

Unless these are reached and the player met by my approval, ill hold onto the lands as if I will remain to play.

It has been fun Rping, and hopefully EV continues to prosper.

It is with much regret that I must announce my resignation from Earth V.
Sorry to se you go, BI!

Hope you'll come back someday...

First, my apologies to everyone for having been sucked into RL and finding no real time to get on to doing my duties here; Ill get out the Football matches ASAP, and answer any other questions at the appropriate time later this weekend.

Secondly

With regards to your point 1.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12258572&postcount=24


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12258646&postcount=27



http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12239192&postcount=2408

You are clearly a LIAR as you are the only one who noted my claims for Senegal and Guinea, Alif. As well, I already explained going on 4 times that I am not attacking Senegal or Guinea as they are my nations as YOU clearly noted before you posted any of this harrassing bullshit about not knowing...

2. I see nothing in your limited experience that is fortunate or unfortunate for me. Especially considering you just lied, piss poorly i might add--to back up your harrassing behavior.

3. Given the fact that you lied about knowing I claimed I senegal and Guinea and what G6 calls advice clearly isnt. This point of yours looks like another lie.

4. This should have been your first point---if you have even a modicum of decorum stop harrassing me---I have been RPing here for over years with various nations I dont need your "advice"---considering the amount of reading I have demonstrated to have done on the subjects i RP that should be clear. Also considering that Both Koppar and Sharina endorse my Roleplay here---given their status as RPers. Stop harrassing me, especially considering you have no authority to do so. Your inability to understand the clear answers I have given you---and dont make me quote the two long OOC responses from other threads where I already answered your questions and provbe you a liar twice.

5. One post too many--hecne the reason I moved it ot the OOC thread...note the order of posts of the fact my response is mirrored from there to here...you didnt choose to post here out of your own accord you pposted here because I brought here. No courtesy on your part at all.

6. No one else has a single question--and as stated above I brought into the OOC thread--not you. As no one else had a problem with anything I was doing. That would go back to lies about 1. Not knowing who I was declaring Jihad on after I answered you...I will happy to link that conversation as well if you require it to show you to be a liar again.
I have no problem with any QUESTIONS---you gave dictates, and bad ones if that.

7. Fine You are a Liar again that regard Quote and Link Below;
My post declaring Jihad-->http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12254245&postcount=1329

Alif asks what i mean-->
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12257441&postcount=1332


I answer--->
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12258389&postcount=1342


Alif acknowledges understanding the answer-->
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12258683&postcount=1343

I give a more lengthy explanation to my overall intention with the declaration of Jihad and explanation of my culture, right beneath Alif's acknowledgement of understanding--->http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12258757&postcount=1344
Is there anything else you would like to lie about not understanding, or not knowing I will be happy to provide links and quotes to where prior to all of this you were made completely clear of the thing you claim now to be unclear on.

8. If by rational you mean making poor effort of deceit by not even editing your posts where you prove I have already answered all your question prior to your harrassment yet continue to mother me--and that you recognized my claims then later pretended not....yes you kept your rationale very consistant.

Oh, and dont ask me not to post a retort when you knew clearly you were making a direct effort to be deceptive. You are oocly beligerant towards me, or you obviously wouldnt have the need to lie about why you were asking all these question which the links clearly show above I answered more then 24hours before you posted in my IC thread.

I have absolutely no clue as to why you are being absolutely hostile to me [more so than to what I have to say]. I'd like to say that it's karma, but I personally don't believe in the concept itself, and I haven't done too much of a bad thing to warrant libelous slander from someone like you. If God is trying to tell me that NS is bad, this might be the best cue of all.

I'm nearing threshold for tolerance for you personally, and that does not bode for either of us [especially since I don't like ooc bias interceding my ic bias]. So for the first matter - CALM DOWN. Otherwise, another slanderous post from you will equate to me doing something more than make a reply.

1 - So I am a liar for recognizing that something was not as I had thought it to be, and then checking to find out that it was as I had thought it to be? If you will have noticed, I have added neither Guinea nor Senegal to your claims, primarily because I did my research for your first post claiming a territory - I found neither Guinea nor Senegal - furthermore, the post was not edited at all. So I can only conclude that your first claim was and remains to be simply Lebanon. As far as I care, you never claimed Guinea and Senegal. So yes, you secondarily claimed Guinea and Senegal - that itself is neither legal nor legitimate. We've had a little run with players who tried that and neither TG6R nor Sharina approved, principally because they had already made a claim. There are exceptions, of course - but they are the people who went inactive and claimed a new set of territories, dropping their prior claim on the condition that they make extensive RPs to earn the territory. So far, only one is still here [Maldorians], and he has yet to contribute to his part of the agreement - and I've probably helped him out more than enough to try to get him to be active. So, you are deceiving only yourself by saying that you claimed Guinea and Senegal - in addition to Lebanon - if you think that your secondary claims are going to count.

Of course, if TG6R and Sharina approve this, then do whatever the hell you to iit, but until then, they are IC conquests. And if you really wanted to have all these territories, you have made them your first claim.

2 - Yes, it is most unfortunate that you cannot see what experience that I have accrued - , unfortunately for me, I can retort the same for you.

3 - [no mention]

4 - If you don't need my advice, don't critique me first before telling me that, because all that I see is an craze person who lacks all respect for people. And I will make my points in a manner as I see fit, because I do not sway to the opinions of people who are either ignorant or choose to remain ignorant of the circumstances.

5 - If you don't like it, tell me - because I have no clue that "one post is too many"; and in so far as to say that "one post is one too many," warn other people of it so they can make the proper arrangements and link it to the OOC thread. Just for clarity, I will be removing that post and pasting the contents below, so people can see what exactly started this mess.

6 - The correct statement would be as follows: "No one has posted a single question." As far as your replies concerning my knowledge of your declaration of jihad - you specifically made mention to one sort of jihad - that against the extremists. Unless you perceive the current governments of Senegal and Guinea as extremists [and in any case, I don't ICly or OOCly perceive the countries as extremist yet...], then the jihad in Guinea and Senegal is completely different than the jihad explained to me in this post:

OOC:
Jihad ash-munafiqin --Jihad against hypocrites...those who claim to be faithful and are not, this is not typically faught with weapons but rather discussion.
However the Bedou oath to protect People of the Book(Christians and Jews) from Islamic extremists who have led people astray in a war of hate and not defense of Islam.

The Bedou are traditional Islamic reformists...the muslims you want next door.
Unless you intend to slight the faith.

So the Jihad is declared against Islamic extremists who are commiting trecherous terrorist attacks on civilian targets killin women children and old people.

IC:
"The Bedou nations offer their deepest sympathies for lives lost across the globe at the hands of cowardly thieves who would steal away the face of Islam in the name of hate."
Imam Ushraf Al Amein, Chief cleric of the Bedou Council of Qu'ranic Vigilence.

Since then, you have made some jihad against Senegal and Guinea - different than as declared in the IC thread - and arer now accusing me to be lying about the things that I seem to be pretending not to understand but really do, in the instance where I actually do not understand what is going on and to be perceiving that I do not understand what I am perceived to feigning misunderstanding makes my head hurt even to think about it. And your retort to having explained to me why you are declaring jihad does not explain what jihad you are declaring or even against whom.

7 - Read point 1 again as far the point of misinterpreting your claims; Read point 6 as far as the point of misunderstanding your jihad.

8 - To be honest, I could be really really sinister and consider flagging your post for being flagrant and libelous. The only thing that you have done in your past post was to prove to everyone that you think that I'm a liar, because I know myself not to be a liar [or at least one as deliberative and foolish as your claim me to be]. Here's the thing I don't get - why are you being so hostile to me? I ask several questions, post some statements [mostly ooc], and you become inflamed towards me. Is there something wrong with me, or is it just that you don't people asking you questions or making suggestions? I really want to know this because if every time I [or someone else] have to answer to this every time [not saying that it has happened...], it makes me a little more curious as to why you are like this. Plain and simple - I will neither tolerate nor test whatever temper this is, because it's childish. I will admit that I let loose sparks all of the time [probably some people here can attest to that.

If there is doubt in your mind about the technicalities of your claims, ask TG6R and/or Sharina to clear it out, as they are the ones who share the final say on Earth V [and at this point, I would sincerely invoke them to post some response to this].


---The more [or most] important part of this post---
As far as inciting hostile reactions, I think that you have a little history of that subject, because I've been tempted to do some research just now:
First in the Technical sense would be the Academic Sense-and since in the academic sense the Creationist concept has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity-beyond the fact that Christian Ideas fall under the umbrella of creationism Myths is the correct usage of the word.

Associating Creationism with Christianity is the common--more precise ignorant definition of hte word.

As far as an apology--I am half black, I speak proper english, and so does my family.

It is ignorant degenerates like you who perpetuate the sterotype of "jive talkin niggas".
You are a deficit to plight of American Black males.

the next post:
They teach a study in Ebonics at Berkley--All black school? I hadn't noticed.

You simply need to attach a racist conotation to my words because first-you are incapable of debating me with just points of fact cited by noted authorities, and two because you are ignorant enough to assume only Blacks speak improper english, as cited in your post.

the last one:
Really, so I while I use the Academic definition, you cling to Christianity--yet I argue like a Creationist.
Again Free Soviets, very inept attempt to attack my language and not my idea.

Grad school you say, I would have thought they would have covered these weak skills by then.

My point in pointing these posts out is not to slander you, but ask why do you have to do this? I'm not interested in slandering you [if I do, then I'm sorry for it]. I'm not interested in hearing me being a liar or the whatnot, because it completely contradicts my character, and furthermore, it makes me want to reach out and destroy something. I don't like my character being maligned, and I don't like destroying things. What I am interested in is this:

Fair enough, I was just trying to put a positive spin on it.
I get angry when people are rude to me, and I dont like getting angry.
So I was suggesting merely a more pleasant perspective.

How was I rude [aside from making a post that interceded in your IC action, challenged the perceptions of what is and what isn't in your claims, and replying in a manner that seemed to elicit your perception of me being a liar] to you, and how do I fix that? If it's not my attitude or my action, then your bias is clearly against me, and as I have said, I will not tolerate that. Personally, I don't think that I have wronged you as much as you have wronged me - so at this point, I do feel that the point of what your IC actions are have fallen beyond my point. Explain to me how we can fix this oocly and without any slanderous or libelous expressions, because I warn you that this will be my last warning in that regard.

If we are ready to go beyond the childish accusations and have a sincere argument, maybe then we can discuss this some more. Until then, I want this attitude discussed - if it needs another thread, I will gladly supply.




This is the post referenced in my earlier discourse [#4]:
[ooc: this is one reason why my government does not particularly like the idea of using Allah in a politically entangling manner - as now you've have declared war on two states that have been given protections for their sovereignty by numerous players...]

I am sorry for having put others into this sort of an atmosphere, but I don't know how I could have elicited this sort of an attitude.


@ Czechalrus:
From what I've seen, not much since I was gone. But just as an update, you do need to post something regarding your claims, because it has been quite a while since you've claimed - but I do understand that you were away.

@ Brinkman Isle:
It's a pity that you leave us; I'm not sure if it's because of the War of the Americas or if it's out of RL interests [it seems to be the latter], but your presence will be dearly missed.

@ anyone else:

Association of League International Football friendlies will be posted later this evening, and I will start the Invitationals that have people to supply them [I've only checked it briefly before devoting my time and attention to this, but I'm not sure if any Invitational has all teams supplied for its quotas...]. Additionally, I will try to post something in the OOC War of the Americas thread, because today is indeed Friday, and I did say that things were going to go into the iron fists.

Sorry about my seemingly perpetual absence, i would like to re assure you guys my interest hasnt faded.....:D

hmmmmmmm. i am playing the confederacy and all that it entails.... I dont want to seem to proliferate hatred oocly by my I.c. nation.

and freedom of Imaginatiom must be upheld to some dgree. Undoubtedly the (presumably ww2) Holocaust went a bit to far perhaps, But then again if you do one holocaust (forgive me for putting this in such a bad context. ) and shut down theearth because of it... (people tend to overlook Maos and Stalins purges as the lesser of two evils. and what about the Rwandan Holocaust eh?) whats to stop the Mods from shutting down the earths because of these?

Its a contraversial decision and I know but its wrong to bring this shit like mass genocide up, but its in a purely I.C context. (hopefully:( )

Important OOC news:

Azaha is back!

Back..... Ready to smack people around with grand'ol India.

This is very, very good! Good to have you back Azaha!

And Azaha, I've sent you a TG with your username and password to the Earth-V World Factbook (www.earthv.net (http://www.earthv.net)).

Oh my god... Look at Azaha's defense-budget!!

Top-15 defense-budget (Earth-V)
1. Azaha: $11,804,656,862,880
2. Sharina: $2,964,781,567,820
3. Asian China: $2,459,362,141,716
4. Alif Laam Miim: $2,409,344,596,935
5. Warta Endor: $2,206,872,281,961
6. Military Command: $2,036,621,470,000
7. Samtonia: $1,494,043,234,289
8. Great Romeo: $1,298,634,709,380
9. The Great Sixth Reich: $1,287,584,137,857
10. Kopparbergs: $1,163,770,345,584

Four times the size of Sharina's defense-budget! And ten times my db...

(list from Earth-V World Factbook (http://www.oabv.com/index.php))

Important OOC news:

Azaha is back!



This is very, very good! Good to have you back Azaha!

And Azaha, I've sent you a TG with your username and password to the Earth-V World Factbook (www.earthv.net (http://www.earthv.net)).

That reminds me, I need to go work and edit some of that with my nation in Earth V world factbook. For one, I printed my NS economy at a fixed point because, as my NS nation grows it changes my budgets dramatically. Those real life nations don't do that as the population of are Earth V nations are fixed, only growing if and when the CIA factbook gets updated. Which, hasn't happen once. When, I started Earth V I had a NS population of around 3.8 billion. I now have a population of 5.3 billion. My real life nations haven't grown by over a billion people. So, I fixed my NS population at 4.912 billion when I printed the economy out for reference.

That reminds me, I need to go work and edit some of that with my nation in Earth V world factbook. For one, I printed my NS economy at a fixed point because, as my NS nation grows it changes my budgets dramatically. Those real life nations don't do that as the population of are Earth V nations are fixed, only growing if and when the CIA factbook gets updated. Which, hasn't happen once. When, I started Earth V I had a NS population of around 3.8 billion. I now have a population of 5.3 billion. My real life nations haven't grown by over a billion people. So, I fixed my NS population at 4.912 billion when I printed the economy out for reference.
But your Earth-V budget doesn't change when your NS-populations grows.

Remember the population-ratio? The ratio is decreasing with the same amount the NS-population is increasing, so the Earth-V-budget is unchanged.

I've monitored a couple of defense-budgets at earthv.net, and the only things that makes the budgets change are the issues answered on, and changing your RL-based earthv-population.

Oh my god... Look at Azaha's defense-budget!!

Top-15 defense-budget (Earth-V)
1. Azaha: $11,804,656,862,880
2. Sharina: $2,964,781,567,820
3. Asian China: $2,459,362,141,716
4. Alif Laam Miim: $2,409,344,596,935
5. Warta Endor: $2,206,872,281,961
6. Military Command: $2,036,621,470,000
7. Samtonia: $1,494,043,234,289
8. Great Romeo: $1,298,634,709,380
9. The Great Sixth Reich: $1,287,584,137,857
10. Kopparbergs: $1,163,770,345,584

Four times the size of Sharina's defense-budget! And ten times my db...

(list from Earth-V World Factbook (http://www.oabv.com/index.php))

That's actually not a real reflection of those real life nations. Those countries we claimed barely spend over 4% of their GDP on their defense budget. I know of no nation on Earth that spends 20% or more of their GDP on defense. Even the United States, the highest nation I know of with the amount spent on defense even only spends 4.06% of it's GDP on defense. Most real life nations spend even less then that with 2% or less of their GDP on defense.

I'm probably the only nation in Earth V with any sort of realistic Defense budget and it shows. I only spend 14% and in real life that's pushing it way beyond anything compared to 4% or less. So, I started not to long ago of ignoring my defense budgets and such. Budgets are approved year by year and are subject to change in minor or major ways. Countries are also able to take out loans so on, so while my defense budget say couldn't support a massive military build up, I could in reality pay for it, but at a later date. Your site is better, but not 100% realistic and I don't think any of us will be able to find a 100% accurate budget calculation. Unless, of course we made one ourselves.

Note: GDP=Gross Domestic Product.

Thank you for read for my long 2 cents worth reply. I've been thinking of ways to create a 90% or better realistic budget, but I yet to come up with anything.

But your Earth-V budget doesn't change when your NS-populations grows.

Remember the population-ratio? The ratio is decreasing with the same amount the NS-population is increasing, so the Earth-V-budget is unchanged.

I've monitored a couple of defense-budgets at earthv.net, and the only things that makes the budgets change are the issues answered on, and changing your RL-based earthv-population.

Actually, I record changes. I should know, I hardly ever answer any issues and when I was monitored the changes the only that changed in my NS nation was my population growth. Note: I didn't answer a single issue during my week long observation. What I record was follows, as my NS population increases my defense budget decreases little by little. So, I'm assuming it effects the others too. I don't plan on answering any new issues any time soon as I'm happy where I have my NS nation and have been for quite some time. Nearly 6 months now. I delete almost all of my issues I get. I just keep them on to get them so my nation doesn't get deleted.

If, you can edit the NS population in your Earth V factbook it should confirm what I just told you. Just adjust the population up or down and their should be differences. They’ll be small, but they’ll grow bigger as the population changes.

I can’t give a current example as my budget has changed slightly. However, if you record it today and compared it in say a week. You would see a change, little one and hard to see, but there would be a change.

For the record on 2/4/2007 my NS population was 5.328 billion

I relize my population is and D budget is upsurdly high... which is why I dont, and will not go nuts with it and just smash everything.... though I do plan to make it the most powerful military, I dont plan to go nuts... or anything close.

I limit myself....

I relize my population is and D budget is upsurdly high... which is why I dont, and will not go nuts with it and just smash everything.... though I do plan to make it the most powerful military, I dont plan to go nuts... or anything close.

I limit myself....

Good to have you back, Azaha! I look forward to seeing what kinds of RP's you have up your sleeve.

I should be jippy and happy to see Azaha back, but he IMed me first, so I've sort of lost my ecstasy for his return in the process [and he complained to me about this too... :D]

So... here's to hoping that Warta Endor will find his way home too...

I'm back, RL has been busy lately.
An it's nice to see India wake up from the beauty sleep! Azaha, we must make an IC contact!

Sad to see Brinkman leave the game, but that's life I suppose.

I was following a link here on jolt, and I stumbled onto this post about logistics:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=393903

It's makes it very clear that keeping an eye on the logistics is the key to success, both for the defending and the attacking part (with the "War of the Americas - Europe edition" in mind).

I was following a link here on jolt, and I stumbled onto this post about logistics:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=393903

It's makes it very clear that keeping an eye on the logistics is the key to success, both for the defending and the attacking part (with the "War of the Americas - Europe edition" in mind).

There is an old phrase that I think says it all.

"Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics."

That holds true today as it did over 2,000 years ago. The reason logistics aren't talked about like tactics are is because it's so very behind the scenes and let's admit it not as interesting to discuss as tactics, but in the end that's what wins wars. The ability to keep your forces supplied and at strength. Though, in the end in my opinion it comes down to all doing their job. That is after all why it's called Combined Arms.

It is with much regret that I must announce my resignation from Earth V. At the moment I have prior responsibilities that need tending and rather then waste valuable land I wish to put it out to claim…with one catch!

The person taking over many lands must:
Be a new player to EV
Must claim all land that I own including the land in conquest
Must be a democracy

Unless these are reached and the player met by my approval, ill hold onto the lands as if I will remain to play.

It has been fun Rping, and hopefully EV continues to prosper.
What is the current status of BI's territories now? Is he still controlling them, or is he out?

Am I right if I say that he cannot control his territories if he has left EV, and if he still controls the territories, he hasn't left - he must make a decision?

According to his statement above, he will stay if someone attacks his possessions – and that may be a way to keep him inside Earth-V...

Asian China, I put our meeting on hold while you were gone. Just so you know i didn't rush ahead and ignore it or anything.

Asian China, I put our meeting on hold while you were gone. Just so you know i didn't rush ahead and ignore it or anything.
Thanks, very kind of you. I've just made a reply in that thread!

My apologies for having been detained for so long on doing RL things... [although at the moment, I don't know to whom I am apologizing...]


School is being nasty for my first two weeks [and I don't anticipate it to be any nicer over the next couple of weeks...] - and I was stupid enough to max out my credits for this semester [well, I have to anyway...]. But anyway, here's some concrete details about which hopefully settles things a little bit better than what I had originally intended.

Regarding the football organization - I'm still doing it; it's just that I'm not as responsive as I ought to be to hold 4-week seasons, so I'm doubling it to 8 weeks [for convenience...]. That means that people still have a lot of time to actually get on to doing some more friendlies, and to vote [since TG6R is obviously the only person who votes...] for the next World Cup Host [for this season]. I'm laying out the schedule here, so people who are involved will at least see this somewhere [copied to the main thread as well, so don't worry about it].

Week of 29JAN2007 - Start of Season 2
Week of 05FEB2007 - rien d'especiale
Week of 12FEB2007 - ditto
Week of 19FEB2007 - ditto
Week of 26FEB2007 - Voting for the Host will end [thread is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515578), if you are having problems finding]
Week of 05MAR2007 - rien d'especiale
Week of 12MAR2007 - Qualifiers for the World Cup
Week of 19MAR2007 - World Cup Season II

And obviously Season III starts the week of 26MAR2007.

I'm hoping that this will work out better for me and for those who are eager to get involved. I haven't decided if I would extend extensions to the match limits, but at the moment, they remain the same [because school work is killing me, and I don't want to do bad in RL work...].


I'll check the other threads for things that I perceive to be necessary replies, but if you need anything specific, it is probably best to shoot me a TG...

Dude wheres my country?. lol

Im back (albeitly rather suprised I wasnt in the Pink...:) )

yay! I was wondering where you were. The PAC has been pretty dull lately...

Dude wheres my country?. lol

Im back (albeitly rather suprised I wasnt in the Pink...:) )
Welcome back. I've been busy too. I'm trying to cach things up now.

This is fun, now as things seem to rolling again. I hate freezes...

I want my land to go to new Players.

I want my land to go to new Players.

I think that this is best resolved by direct "premier" intervention, because simply saying it in this case ain't going to make it happen.

TG6R/Sharina? Anything to say about this?

Season 2


1 UCR - Iranian Republics
2 Kopparbergs Middle East
3 The Great Sixth Reich
4 Alif Laam Miim
5 United Caucasian Republics
6 Sharina Technocracy
7 Candistan West African Alliance
8 Cameroon
9 Poland
10 Southern Sardinia
11 Maldives
12 East Timor
13 Tanzania
14 Schenectady
15 Midway Islands
16 Great Romeo
17 Asian China
18 Abyssinia
19 Chad
20 Scandinavia
21 Kopparbergs Africa
22 Bamako
23 Vineyard Imperials

Just posting this to remind everyone whose Number 1.

Just posting this to remind everyone whose Number 1.

Reminding Granate that it's my Number 1 [you said "whose" - as compared to "who's"]...

I want my land to go to new Players.
What do you do if (I say if, because it depends on the status of your nation) I launch an attack towards Taiwan? Are you going to RP as your nation, or are you out of Earth-V?

I would like it reserved for new comers.
If attacked ill make it the bloodiest war you could ever dream.

I would like it reserved for new comers.
If attacked ill make it the bloodiest war you could ever dream.
Okay, so you hasn't left Earth-V then.
It sounds tempting though...

I would like it reserved for new comers.
If attacked ill make it the bloodiest war you could ever dream.

You need to decide if you are staying or leaving. This cuts into one of my biggest pet peeves - saying you're gone but sticking around away. I have no qualms with you staying or leaving, but you can't do both. And, as I said, TG6R and Sharina have the final say in this matter, so leave it to them to decide - otherwise what you say doesn't matter.


That said, I need to review the attendance of our members, to see who hasn't been active particularly [that is, haven't posted anything since two weeks at least...] School might intrude, but I'll try to have it by this weekend.

If that is the case then ill stay, post the only when i have to, and wait until a new player that meets my approval comes along to claim my land.

if anyone attacks, sure maybe ill let them take the land, but ill make it not worth the war...for everyone.

[ooc: a big time no-no in my book: either claiming that you DON'T own a territory and yet effectively control it for your own purposes {not a la NPC either}, or claiming that it's yours and doing nothing with it. UE, either Bangladesh is yours or isn't - you can't skirt the middle ground forever, and seeing as you've already made military declarations for Bangladesh, it's kinda foolhardy to say that you don't own it - which gets to another sticking point in my line, but I'll keep away from that. I'll understand it if you want to keep Bangladesh apart from the RUN, but saying that you don't effectively own it and then popping out a military declaration is not the best way to convince people of that standard.]

[ooc: that said, if the UE controls Bangladesh, how did the UARCA suffer an attack at an embassy if there is none to lose?]

1. I both own and control Bangladesh, the same goes for Sweden. As for the military declarations for them. Some people have expressed interest in invading them for some reason or another. I'm fine if they want to do that as that's why I created a declaration for them. Just, so long as their aware that they will be bringing them into the war on my side. I was going to leave them out per agreement until after the war ends and not use their resources, population base or anything else. However, if they are attacked as I'm going to make an IC post of them declaring their neutrality then I will gain those country resources.

It's a your free to attack them (Sweden and/or Bangladesh) if you want, but do so at your own risk. I've explain that all before so hopefully, this will be the last time I have to explain it.

2. I think your confused, I never said I didn't own Bangladesh as I been roleplaying for it and the roleplay is coming along quite nicely. The only countries I don't own yet control are Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay. However, I have decided what I want to do with them- I was going to state my intentions after the war ends (whenever that is). But, if there is undo problems with that- I can make that statement sooner if need be. That's not a problem.

[B]3. Since, I have no embassies with the UARCA either as the Republic or Bangladesh I don't know how he suffered an attack sense from my reasoning the attack doesn't exist. No Embassy-No attack. Which, is why I called his declaration of war invalid. He's free to declaration war on me, I'm not denying him that right. I just would like a valid reason that is realistic.

An declaration of war based on an attack on a non-existing Embassy is not a valid reason. Now, if Samtonia doesn't care for a reason that still leaves his declaration of war in a weird place. Why, Bangladesh- a country his nation has never heard of nor had contact with. In, fact the only two nations Bangladesh has had contact with (both in secret BTW) are the Iberian Netherlands (precursor to the RUN) and India. With no Navy and sharing no land border with Bangladesh, how does he expect to attack it? By magic?

I'm sorry, but his declaration makes no sense to me for so many reasons-some of which I explained above.

This is all too confusing.

I say screw it. All attacks, or planned attacks on Bangladesh, or Indo-China is cancelled until after this South American war.

All contact with Bangladesh that has occured, has been anulled by me. Basically, it starts over with India and Bangladesh.

And where do I make my damn military declaration for that war? Since it seems to be going nowhere fast, I am going to make it go somewhere, and fast.

Uh, UE, are you still doing fat cat? My men need to die or something.

@ UE
okay - as long as it doesn't turn into "they're not mine, but if you do something, I've got this and this and this to bomb you out..." - which it does not seem to be heading now...


@ Azaha
As for the military deployments declaration - you've done it in the right place, and for the moment, you've got all that you need. The one thing I will need [as it's not in your military declaration either] is where your 8th Field Army is situated at the moment [among other things], but you've said that you will post them sometime soon, so I will leave you to do that at your convenience - as long as it happens before Indian troops actively engage in the war.


@anything else
Sorry for being not as active as I should be, but school is murdering me bit by bit, and I'm trying to fight it off with books, but that's sort of adding to the fodder... rest assured, I should have more free time come three or four weeks [SPRING BREAK]

Hey UE! Lets get the ball rollin'!

Also, where the hell is Sharina? We have yet to hear a peep out of him concerning any form of military action. I really can't do much in S.America without his simultaneous action.

Blame New Shiron's, Galveston Bay, new RP. Sharina seems to be totally into it.

Uh, UE, are you still doing fat cat? My men need to die or something.

Yep, your next after I get my reply up for Vineyard. So, don't worry I haven't forgotten. You actually want your men to die? Weird, I thought you wanted your men to kill the King of Iberia? :rolleyes:

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Hey UE! Lets get the ball rollin'!

Also, where the hell is Sharina? We have yet to hear a peep out of him concerning any form of military action. I really can't do much in S.America without his simultaneous action.

I'm rolling, remember I'm just slow but, I'll get to it.

Blame New Shiron's, Galveston Bay, new RP. Sharina seems to be totally into it.

I'm not complaining...:D

Gives me more time to finish up the other things I want to do. And allows me to address one person at a time. Which, makes my job much easier. If, it gets really bad you start seeing this. [Please, pick a number and get in line.] :rolleyes:

Anyway, time to get to work on that reply.... Onwards!

Yep, your next after I get my reply up for Vineyard. So, don't worry I haven't forgotten. You actually want your men to die? Weird, I thought you wanted your men to kill the King of Iberia? :rolleyes:

Well, you said the king was moved out of the area they are trying to get to to kill him. Plus, in the situation they are in, they will most likely blow themselves up, or at least attempt to in order to keep the CWAA out of a cataclysmic war with RUN. Sacrifice for the greater good of the CWAA.

Could ALM just TG me when he's ready to roll the results of my attacks? I'm still waiting for results on that before taking any further action.

I've already indicated where my troops went, my planes went, my ships went, etc. I need to know how much damage I've inflicted, and how much losses I've suffered in the initial wave of attacks before I do any second round, third round, and so on of action.

As far as I know, my planes and Navy seem to be frozen mid-air like in the Bermuda Triangle or something (chuckle).

@ Sharina/UE: see post in war ooc thread...

@ everyone else:

I've done research, and here's the red list candidates [magenta list per se...] for this week:

* Koramerica
* Braska [he has until the end of this month to post, as per previous agreement - like Warta Endor]
* Buristan
* Thyrius
* Public Enemastan
* Coco the Silly Monkey
* Bedou
* Czechalrus

I will not likely be able to contact all of the people on this list, but I would appreciate it if people could help me in this endeavor. I'm unilaterally putting a week's cap on this [aside from Braska], unless the "premiers" have something else to say about this. This should help to make the community more active, so if you're new and looking for new territory, check these guys' territories in the Map thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109).

All right, because there's been some confusion: All posts dealing with Bangladesh are as of now retconned by me. It never happened.

However, I'm going to say that I am disappointed that some RP protocol was not followed and some easy to make assumptions were not made- so I'm stating these at this time.

I refuse to accept partial control of any country. Either you control it in its entirety or you don't control it at all and should not RP it. There was very widespread confusion on the status of Bangladesh at the beginning of the RP- confusion that easily would have been avoided had there been a way to know definitively whether or not UE controlled Bangladesh.

Moreover, I do not have time nor inclination to RP setting up embassies with every single nation in Earth V as well as NPC nations. Therefore, unless I have said otherwise, I have an embassy in every nation on this planet. The current exceptions to that are (I believe) Spain and the Netherlands, as all diplomatic relations have been severed with them following the detonation of a nuclear device in the Indian Ocean. Since apparantly the RUN is not technically one nation and that was the action of individual nations, diplomatic contact is currently severed with only those nations that committed the test.

That is all.

@RUN: Really sorry to nag at ya (again) but I really need to conclude Operation Fat Cat, so could you make a quick post please?

@RUN: Really sorry to nag at ya (again) but I really need to conclude Operation Fat Cat, so could you make a quick post please?

sdrawkcab egassem retne siht depyt evah I. uoy tsniaga detcane neeb sah ecnep a gniggan etah yllaer I sa tub, kO

Ok, but as I really hate nagging a pence has been enacted against you. I have typed this enter message backwards. Yes, I hate nagging that much. Also, I was really bored when I typed this.

sdrawkcab egassem retne siht depyt evah I. uoy tsniaga detcane neeb sah ecnep a gniggan etah yllaer I sa tub, kO

Ok, but as I really hate nagging a pence has been enacted against you. I have typed this enter message backwards. Yes, I hate nagging that much. Also, I was really bored when I typed this.

Cool, it flipped it around for me. I was going to say damn the language barrier but now I see that is useless to say lol.

I accidentally posted this in the wrong thread...

Can I claim the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland? I had some RPing experience on NS before my nation was deleted, so don't worry about n00bish behaviour.

sorry to be out for so long - this week has been utterly busy!!!

I'm not supposed to be online, but I just wanted people to know that progress on my home front is slow; I'll try sometime later this weekend...

Bumpety

I accidentally posted this in the wrong thread...

Can I claim the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland? I had some RPing experience on NS before my nation was deleted, so don't worry about n00bish behaviour.
I'm not the one who validate claims, but as one of the longest lasting members in Earth-V I would like to say that we'll give you the green light.

Your claim is reasonable, and both Ireland and North Ireland are unclaimed, and no one is invading it right now. Military Command/The Citizens Federation (or something like that) is occupied with an invasion of England/Scotland right now, but he hasn't showed any kind of interest in Ireland.

The one who recognizes your claim in the end is either The Great Sixth Reich or Sharina, but you can count on being a member in Earth-V.

Please read the FAQ in the map-thread (where you first posted your claim), and then you might want to make a factbook. To participate in some kind of military activity you must post a military declaration in the thread for that.

And one last thing, really important: Please try to stay active! We've had a lot of people just claiming a piece of land, and then fails to RP. If you're absent, just leave a message here to let us know.

Welcome!!

Great! I'll get a factbook on tomorrow. I have one question though:

I read this:

No creating custom budgets. Always use ratios based on ThirdGeek NS Economy calculations.

Does that mean that I'll have to 25% of my budget in the military if it says so on Thirdgeek? Or can I change it to 15% or something?

This is my second time logging in for a very long time, and I can't stay on for very long, so I'll try to get admin stuff out of the way.

Unfortunately, I can't validate your claim - Maryan - but I think your interest will be enough to garner your entry into Earth V. Your claim is also reasonable, so I hope that TG6R will validate it soon. As for your economy, Kopparbergs has in fact created a website that calculates it for you. Although if you want to change your ratios, you might have to wait until Kopparbergs introductions his modification thingy that might be an ongoing project. But talk to him - he's the semi-official economics mod...

I'll check out the Americas threads to see if any progress needs my attention...

Back from visiting Roman ruins in Italy. I couldn't find an Internet café where I was, surprisingly.

Anything important I need to address immediately?