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It's hardly like I'm depriving would be new players of a prime spot by taking French Guyana and Suriname.

NV and Braska check your TG's.

Also A Mod Is most Def Needed in Operation America.

I have, for the first time, called a 'God-Mod' against UE. I've halted are replies and ask everyone in the thread to do so as well until it can be settled.

Why not make a new forum game for this? I can help if it is needed. No biggie but I think it would be easier to dicern from NS if you did!

Probably because all off-site RPs die. Incidentally, who are you?

I am a new player... why?


Also, in regards to the off-site RPs die that would not be the case if they were done well.

And again, they rarely are.

Well, I am sure that TG6R and the crew could certainly make a good off-site RPG! I am just saying that it is easier for 1) the NS players if the RPs on NS were all geared for NS and 2) EV players to keep EV to EV and NS out.

Should any RP wish to recruit new members, it needs to stay on the NS forums. Speaking as someone who's been around far longer than you, this is the truth. Should Earth V move offsite, it will die. No question about it. Only RPs that require a limited amount of players can survive offsite, and even then only if all players stay in on the RP.

Should any RP wish to recruit new members, it needs to stay on the NS forums. Speaking as someone who's been around far longer than you, this is the truth. Should Earth V move offsite, it will die. No question about it. Only RPs that require a limited amount of players can survive offsite, and even then only if all players stay in on the RP.

It will surely die, I know that for a fact. I joined a RP once that then moved off site. Was such a great RP, only to die when major players started to leave and because their were no new players to fill their spots it ended.

It won't just die, it will cease to exist.

I miss Warta Endor, hope he'll come back soon!

And does someone know when Azaha will be back?

Not to worry - I've got their countries under protected mode until they return, although a sure return date for the both of them would be nice at this stage [Azaha has two more weeks? wow...]

I am a new player... why?


Also, in regards to the off-site RPs die that would not be the case if they were done well.

In reference to your comments, I'd like to know what territories you claimed so I can make the necessary addendums to the map [I will add Braska ASAP]. And a side comment for the off-site forums - I personally know that TG6R will not look favorably upon re-locating to an off-site forum, seeing as they recently returned to NS from an off-site forum, seeking instead to stay on Jolt. As a suggestion, I won't mind it, but I know that a lot of people don't like it at all because of various fears of not getting enough attention and likewise isolating the pool of available players [etc...]. I know from experience that it does work, but it takes a lot of work and effort - something that makes me sad as a student, because everything takes a lot of work and effort - especially time as well. But in sum, I don't think that TG6R or Sharina will take the suggestion seriously.

OOC:

We need to start up a thread about the Caribbean.

There might end up being war in South America anyway, as Sharina doesn't want UE (or whatever the new name is) to gain even more land in the Americas, Brinkman Isle and Vineyard is doing stuff, and Braska may or may not want to get a piece of the action.

OOC:

We need to start up a thread about the Caribbean.

There might end up being war in South America anyway, as Sharina doesn't want UE (or whatever the new name is) to gain even more land in the Americas, Brinkman Isle and Vineyard is doing stuff, and Braska may or may not want to get a piece of the action.

OCC: Thanks for reminding me, I did create just a thread. I called it . The Division of the America's (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506375). Nice title huh. There is also the link.

Also, I'm now called the Republic of United Nations. Also, I don't want you gaining any more land either. If, I can live with you gaining more land and your much bigger then most Earth V nations, I'm sure you can stomach me gaining a little land from this situation.

Also, I'm taking care of the Brinkman problem. As you said, America’s for the Americans.

Edit2: It was the Republic of United Nations not the Republic of the United Nations.

Project "Due Course" Info to posted later....
Once I finalize a way to build a canal in a very moutainous region.... oh well.

Project "Due Course" Info to posted later....
Once I finalize a way to build a canal in a very moutainous region.... oh well.

One word "explosives" :D

Thats a given. Mostly I am working on where the canal will run through, where will it start and end. And the canal will need to be large because of the ships running through it.

Project "Due Course" Info to posted later....
Once I finalize a way to build a canal in a very moutainous region.... oh well.

Granate: I have a suggestion. Wait- scrap the suggestion. That'd be an extremely radioactive canal. Want to talk about the project at all tonight? I'll get on MSN if so.

Granate: I have a suggestion. Wait- scrap the suggestion. That'd be an extremely radioactive canal. Want to talk about the project at all tonight? I'll get on MSN if so.
Yea that would be greatly appreciated.

OOC:

We need to start up a thread about the Caribbean.

There might end up being war in South America anyway, as Sharina doesn't want UE (or whatever the new name is) to gain even more land in the Americas, Brinkman Isle and Vineyard is doing stuff, and Braska may or may not want to get a piece of the action.

Speaking of which...

ANY TERRITORIES FORMERLY OWNED BY DP MUST HAVE A VALID AND WORTHY [to be decided at mod discretion, preferably unbiased and agreeable by all parties] RP TO ASSIMILATE THESE TERRITORIES, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU ARE A NEW PLAYER JOINING OR AN OLD PLAYER CAPITALIZING ON THE LOSS OF AN EMPIRE.

This is mostly directed to Braska, who is seeking to take on Brazil - which I strongly support. But not to get too technical, I'd love to offer some advice about how you can take Brazil through a curiously intellectual RP that is agreeable and at the same time fitting for your purposes.

Given the history of the Brazilian Empire, you're going to have a lot of military forces, which presents you with numerous options to take control. You can RP as a former Army General/Commander who is fighting as part of a military faction seeking to take control of the government from other military commanders - the most logical and easiest option. You can try RPing as pro-democracy [pro-whatever else] factions wanting to liberalize the country from its former Imperial system [I don't care who you are, an Empire cannot have an effective functioning democracy without sacrificing the effective control of the Empire or the effective will of the people - an Empire with elections is simply a state that offers a fashion show]. You can try RPing as renegade anarchists trying to bring state-supported terrorism to the world [the most exciting, albeit the most dangerous one as well...]. You can even try to invade Brazil as a separate non-state group wanting to institute changes and establish a state for the people it represents [no aliens, as I believe was agreed in earlier comments]. There are a number of options, all equally viable at this point. If you want, you can pry the world for support [you can try the Sharina route or the Euro-bloc that keeps changing their freaking countries' official names route] and take control. As always, keep it real and use real-life military stats [the previous Brazil owner didn't have a good affinity to this clause...], and you should be fine. A word of advice from me personally - build some support for your country, regardless of what you intend to do. As long as there is some faction in the international community that is willing to support your interests, you'll have a fun time.

An FYI - I'm planning on having a coup-style take-over in Uganda, using Emirate intelligence officers. While I'd love to have this go completely undetected, I figure that it wouldn't be fair if I did all of the RPing, so I'd invite anyone to come into Uganda and RP the counterforce to my perpetration program [noting that at the moment, the coup isn't even in force - all of the preparations are still being made, to organize a pro-Emirate faction that will take control from the current government...]. First person to apply is likely [but not certain] to have the RPing rights to the Ugandan counterforce.

thread is here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501950

Information for Project "Due Course" is out.
Check this post.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11921855&postcount=16

Pretty cool R.p. Granate. Emphasis on the words original and non annexation. well done like to read more when your done...

In reference to your comments, I'd like to know what territories you claimed so I can make the necessary addendums to the map [I will add Braska ASAP]. And a side comment for the off-site forums - I personally know that TG6R will not look favorably upon re-locating to an off-site forum, seeing as they recently returned to NS from an off-site forum, seeking instead to stay on Jolt. As a suggestion, I won't mind it, but I know that a lot of people don't like it at all because of various fears of not getting enough attention and likewise isolating the pool of available players [etc...]. I know from experience that it does work, but it takes a lot of work and effort - something that makes me sad as a student, because everything takes a lot of work and effort - especially time as well. But in sum, I don't think that TG6R or Sharina will take the suggestion seriously.
Recruiting for the RP becomes a pain when an RP goes on in an off-site forum. Almost no one joined while we were RPing on Zifos.


OOC 2:

I'm willing to give Braska a chance. After all, it *is* good to have fresh blood in Earth V, especially with Dweladelfina's departure. The fact that Braska wants realism is a bonus as well.
As do I.

The test version of the random events generator I completed completed last weekend. Today the full version is done.

Here's a sample of what kind of output I could post every day:

Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!
A random event will be generated...
The event is...:
Tidal wave / Tsunami
The target nation is...:
Moorington
The severity is...:
High

However, I personally do not think it is fair to force all nations of Earth V to be subject to events in their nations I create unless they approve beforehand.

The test version of the random events generator I completed completed last weekend. Today the full version is done.

Here's a sample of what kind of output I could post every day:

Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!
A random event will be generated...
The event is...:
Tidal wave / Tsunami
The target nation is...:
Moorington
The severity is...:
High

However, I personally do not think it is fair to force all nations of Earth V to be subject to events in their nations I create unless they approve beforehand.
...huh? Then why bother? Which nation would want a Tsunami? Its like Indonesia saying "No, I dont want a Tsunami, thanks." a few years back. Or like kansas saying: "No, i wont let you make a tornado in my state!!"

Its just unrealistic.

You MUST make it mandatory.

I'd suggest not posting it every day- amybe once a week? Random event happens once a week? And are there good events too?

I am wondering if it would give me or Samtonia as victimes for a Tsunami....

...huh? Then why bother? Which nation would want a Tsunami? Its like Indonesia saying "No, I dont want a Tsunami, thanks." a few years back. Or like kansas saying: "No, i wont let you make a tornado in my state!!"

Its just unrealistic.

You MUST make it mandatory.
If someone barely has enough time to RP in the first place (such as Moorington or [NS]Rethan), how are they going to RP the resolution of a hostage crisis, for example?

I didn't say tell the nation what the event was and ask if he wanted it; I said ask nations if they want to participate in the random event series.

I am wondering if it would give me or Samtonia as victimes for a Tsunami....
:D. Right now, it would. Although I would redo it if it did, a solution could be programmed.

Example of bad event that would not ever be posted unless Vineyard received tropical holdings:
Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Tidal wave / Tsunami

The target nation is...:

Vineyard

The severity is...:

High



Example of violent event:
Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Terrorism / Attempted assault on government property

The target nation is...:

Alif Laam Miim

The severity is...:

Low



Example of accident:
Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Transportation / Bus accident

The target nation is...:

[NS]Rethan

The severity is...:

Low



Example of weather event:

Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Flood

The target nation is...:

Confederate States of America

The severity is...:

Low

If you want to test the thing out, I guess I (CWAA) could have a hostage crisis in Burkina Faso involving General UNgawa being ambushed and captured by guerillas.

The Vineyardian Tsunami would be pushing it, but not as unbelievable as me or Samtonia.
Maybe I should remember that Vineyard has colonial holdings.... and that most of them aren't tropical, fuck.
I really need to read.

This random event generator does sound like a pretty good idea. I support this idea as it does introduce some element of realistic "surprise" and "shock" to Earth V.

This random event generator does sound like a pretty good idea. I support this idea as it does introduce some element of realistic "surprise" and "shock" to Earth V.

For one, I am willing to submit my country to whatever realistic random events do occur; as long as they are realistic and random [terrorist attacks are NOT random - random murder or explosion is not terrorism, unless it happens to be one freaky accident...].

My personal preference:

Random = anything that a person cannot control

, UFOs [ditto]]

Anything else ought to be agreed in advance, especially if it involves people acting.

I.E. I wouldn't losing my PM if he dies in flood in Cairo - but I would not particularly like losing him to terrorists, especially if I don't agree to it.

And then again, there is the option to introduce it as an RP [I]possibility, so you can get consent for the action and not impose on people who don't want anything random happening in their country.

If you want to test the thing out, I guess I (CWAA) could have a hostage crisis in Burkina Faso involving General UNgawa being ambushed and captured by guerillas.

That is something that is particularly not-random, because someone happened to plan it [albeit an NPC character]; and while I am not opposed to this idea as I would be to other ideas like it, I insist that this is something that players should agree in advance. On a personal note, that's a pretty good way to get legitimacy [or lose it...] for your actions in Burkina Faso, although I wouldn't imagine that you'd need anymore legitimacy since it is widely recognized.

My spiel.

Remember when DP attacked and occupied some Island in Europe?

Remember how i persuaded him to withdraw in exchange for some carriers?

Anyone remember what that island was? I think it was wither Cyprus or Crete.. I forgot to occupy it, and I will do so ASAP.

Twas Cyprus. Crete is currently under ALM Control.

Remember when DP attacked and occupied some Island in Europe?

Remember how i persuaded him to withdraw in exchange for some carriers?

Anyone remember what that island was? I think it was wither Cyprus or Crete.. I forgot to occupy it, and I will do so ASAP.

Not really, DP invaded a lot of Islands. :D Do you remember where it was posted?

Also, I support the random event thingy. However, I also think that unless the event has a history or has happen before in a country it does not effect that country. The CIA fact book lists the natural hazards of known countries. For example- Venezuela has a history of being subject to floods, rockslides, mudslides; periodic droughts. Most of us have control over regions across the globe. So, depending on the event it would effect different places. A Tidal Wave is unlikely to happen to Venezuela or the Netherlands/Belgium so on, in Sri Lanka that is a different matter as shown in 2004.

If the system is agreed to, here's the event for this week:

Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Avalanche

The target nation is...:

United Autonomous Republic of Central Asia

The severity is...:

Medium



Here's some background information on avalanches in Kazakhstan:
http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EGU4/00973/EGU04-A-00973.pdf
(If that does not work: http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:HDBZKSBRxZ4J:www.cosis.net/abstracts/EGU04/00973/EGU04-A-00973.pdf+Kazakhstan+avalanches&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4)

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For entertainment purposes, here are the scrapped events:

Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Tropical cyclone

The target nation is...:

United Autonomous Republic of Central Asia

The severity is...:

Low



Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Limnic eruption

The target nation is...:

[NS]Rethan

The severity is...:

Low

The page cannot be found

The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

In other words, the link's not working. :(

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Oh, I forget to add- I agree to the Event System. Should be interesting.

I think the random generator's a good idea, although as ALM said, it shouldn't include things like terrorism, as they need someone to kickstart the attack. A terrorist isn't going to bomb someone for no reason. They always seem to have a reason (currently at war, religious, etc..)

As for the weather, and Natural Disaster things, they look pretty good.

Rethan;11932992']I think the random generator's a good idea, although as ALM said, it shouldn't include things like terrorism, as they need someone to kickstart the attack. A terrorist isn't going to bomb someone for no reason. They always seem to have a reason (currently at war, religious, etc..)

As for the weather, and Natural Disaster things, they look pretty good.
What about high-profile crime?

If someone barely has enough time to RP in the first place (such as Moorington or [NS]Rethan), how are they going to RP the resolution of a hostage crisis, for example?
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Thanks for bringing that up. Even though it seems the direction the REG (Random Events Generator) is you volunteer your country to be included, it is not completely said and done. So I would like to cast m two cents in and say yeah, it shouldn't be mandatory. Especially for people like me who are more or less place holding until the summer.

Since really, by the time I even noticed my country had been a victim of a tsunami any RPing would seem to be a dollor short and more than a day late.

Hopefully I havn't kept anyone's attention for too long.

Auf Wiedersehen!

Sorry if I haven't done much in Earth V lately. It's just that for my Canal Rp to work, I have to give it time to complete. After that I may try to do a few more RPs like it.

ditto......:)

but expect some things done from me tonight.:D

(on an Irrevalent note who can beat New Zealand at Rugby apart from a panzer division?? I know its a minority sport (comparatively speaking, a little ball kicking game is quite popular overseas:D ) but who cares we are de facto world champs. yehaaaaa

not bad for a country of 4.5 million.

I am still here so don't worry. I am doing research and trying to get more information on Brazil in the meantime so that I can build my factbook and declare my military and adhere to Earth V rules. I am thinking of doing my rise as a mix of democratic leadership and military. Just give me time, I can't make everything happen in 1 day.

I am still here so don't worry. I am doing research and trying to get more information on Brazil in the meantime so that I can build my factbook and declare my military and adhere to Earth V rules. I am thinking of doing my rise as a mix of democratic leadership and military. Just give me time, I can't make everything happen in 1 day.

that's all good - at least we know where you are, and I personally don't expect you finish any of this in one day; i'd be mindful that your state will require a conquest RP of some sort [however well you can manage it], so don't forget about that.

I'd like to take Burma if it is still available.

It is.
And it's known as Myanmar

True. My apologies.

Well if your British, I notice your name, then you will consder it Burma, the wayword colony.

I'd like to take Burma if it is still available.

This is me just acknowledging that I will update you into our list of ACTIVE people. As such, I'm late for class, so I'll do it later. In the meantime, I'd like to invite you to take Thailand as well, because once you've got your first claims, you've got to "conquer" all new territories in various RP forms. Of course, you might also have to do that to take Burma and Thailand, but if you're active enough, that shouldn't be a problem, and quite frankly, we could use some activity in Southeast Asia, since WA is away for the moment's notice.

This is me being nice and giving you a second chance to more than double the size of your country, so if you just want Myanmar/Burma [you can change the name once you take control of it :D], just say so or don't say anything, because that's your original request. If you're interested in this offer, please say so [and you must say so]. If nothing else, let's all give British Londinium a big welcome!

I am still here so don't worry. I am doing research and trying to get more information on Brazil in the meantime so that I can build my factbook and declare my military and adhere to Earth V rules. I am thinking of doing my rise as a mix of democratic leadership and military. Just give me time, I can't make everything happen in 1 day.
That's good!
Please let me know if you want help with the military budget, I'll do the calculations for you!

That's good!
Please let me know if you want help with the military budget, I'll do the calculations for you!

He's serious - he's practically done it for everyone except me...

And me...

And me...

hence the word "practically" :D

On that note, I'll be making the map updates in a very short while! so if you've got changes that need to be made, please speak there [except new claims - make those here...] or forever hold your pieces!

He's serious - he's practically done it for everyone except me...

and me... Your budget for Earth V is not that hard to figure out. I had mine done in less then a minute. Doing the rest is what takes time.

Your practically is getting smaller. :D

This is me just acknowledging that I will update you into our list of ACTIVE people. As such, I'm late for class, so I'll do it later. In the meantime, I'd like to invite you to take Thailand as well, because once you've got your first claims, you've got to "conquer" all new territories in various RP forms. Of course, you might also have to do that to take Burma and Thailand, but if you're active enough, that shouldn't be a problem, and quite frankly, we could use some activity in Southeast Asia, since WA is away for the moment's notice.

This is me being nice and giving you a second chance to more than double the size of your country, so if you just want Myanmar/Burma [you can change the name once you take control of it :D], just say so or don't say anything, because that's your original request. If you're interested in this offer, please say so [and you must say so]. If nothing else, let's all give British Londinium a big welcome!

I am very interested in your offer, and i'm happy to be here.

Is there an official Earth V forum?

You're looking at it.

I am very interested in your offer, and i'm happy to be here.

Is there an official Earth V forum?

This is the quasi-formal OOC thread; there's also an IC thread, where we do most of our international business. There's also numerous other threads that might be of particular interest to you [or not] - in which case, we have my fabulous reference thread, which I would encourage you to use it as a reference point for all of those senseless threads that you either didn't bookmark or didn't inscribe on your list of subscriptions. In any case, I have used it plenty of times for references to old and new threads, and I like to think that it's useful for other people as well.

On a first note, I would strongly encourage you to make a factbook thread for your country, so people can have an official place to establish and make relations with your country. Since your country isn't marked in black stripes, you don't need to make an RP for it, but I would strongly encourage you to get on to doing something with your country, to yourself active in the international politicking that is currently going along. At the moment, you have two absent neighbors [Warta Endor and Azaha], who are very friendly people oocly [icly, they can be whatever they want]. In addition, you have numerous other players who are more than willing to give you a boost into the international setting [namely Kopparbergs, with his fancy economic indicator spiel thingy... I don't know exactly what he does, but he's more than willing to help you with it - in fact, he'll do it for you if you're lucky].

Once you've established your country and your state, you can build your military, using the RL stats from those two countries [or any RL combination, as long as the military you're using is a RL rendition of either the Burmese or the Thai Armed Forces...]. With that established, you can proceed to do whatever you want to do.

On that note, after you've done all of this, I would strongly suggest that you begin hunting for friendly neighbors and friendly IC states. Warta Endor and Azaha are the two obvious choices, but they're out ATM, so you can try Asian China, Hong Kong, and the Philippines and associated territories. And then you can try looking abroad. My key point is that you are recognized as a state by others, your actions gain better international recognition and are less likely to be contested by others, and as such, it makes your life easier [well, I don't know about you, but it makes mine easier to bear...].

For a simplified version of this starter kit, look at Kopparberg's FAQ list on the Map Thread [the one directly above the map ]. It's all the same material, except more condensed and perhaps more legible as well.

In any case, I'm glad you chose to come, and I hope that you decide to stay - but I must stress the most important tenets of Earth V - 1) active RPing, 2) relatively realistic RPing, & 3) fun RPing! With that in mind, I wish you luck in the formation of your state.

For easy convenience, the most common threads to use are listed below:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492522 - IC Thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109 - Map Thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501393 - Reference Thread [if you make a factbook, submit the thread link here so I can updated it!]
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492526 - Military Declarations Thread [if you want to have a war, you need to declare the status of your armed forces, and this is place to do it!]

I'd really like to claim Sweden, if it is still available. Can I?

The Map (http://www.freewebs.com/ducdesaintlazare/ALM_world.PNG) says yes.

I'd really like to claim Sweden, if it is still available. Can I?

You might as well go for Finland too, both countries have very small populations. Under 10 million.

Also, welcome to Earth V.

New Greensland: Both confirmed if wanted.

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I (and Vineyard, actually) will not be available until Sunday/Monday, just to let you guys know.

Ok then, i'll take both Sweden and Finland. I'll start working on my factbook right away.

Ok then, i'll take both Sweden and Finland. I'll start working on my factbook right away.

Your welcome, also if you need any help. We the fellow members of Earth V are here to help you if need be.

Your welcome, also if you need any help. We the fellow members of Earth V are here to help you if need be.

Stuff like this makes me happy :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Can I join?

^YES! Look at the map and pick a nation or two

Uganda,Kenya

Yeah, you could probably take those. Ask ALM or TG6R first, though. ALM is on all the time so he'll probably answer in a matter of seconds lol. Yes, he is that good.

Can I join?

Absolutely! I'm glad that you came at this time because I had just finished helping start up someone else with Earth V.

So anyway, referencing whatever post this is...:


This is the quasi-formal OOC thread; there's also an IC thread, where we do most of our international business. There's also numerous other threads that might be of particular interest to you [or not] - in which case, we have my fabulous reference thread, which I would encourage you to use it as a reference point for all of those senseless threads that you either didn't bookmark or didn't inscribe on your list of subscriptions. In any case, I have used it plenty of times for references to old and new threads, and I like to think that it's useful for other people as well.

On a first note, I would strongly encourage you to make a factbook thread for your country, so people can have an official place to establish and make relations with your country. Since your country isn't marked in black stripes, you don't need to make an RP for it, but I would strongly encourage you to get on to doing something with your country, to yourself active in the international politicking that is currently going along. At the moment, you have two absent neighbors [Warta Endor and Azaha], who are very friendly people oocly [icly, they can be whatever they want]. In addition, you have numerous other players who are more than willing to give you a boost into the international setting [namely Kopparbergs, with his fancy economic indicator spiel thingy... I don't know exactly what he does, but he's more than willing to help you with it - in fact, he'll do it for you if you're lucky].

Once you've established your country and your state, you can build your military, using the RL stats from those two countries [or any RL combination, as long as the military you're using is a RL rendition of either the Burmese or the Thai Armed Forces...]. With that established, you can proceed to do whatever you want to do.

On that note, after you've done all of this, I would strongly suggest that you begin hunting for friendly neighbors and friendly IC states. Warta Endor and Azaha are the two obvious choices, but they're out ATM, so you can try Asian China, Hong Kong, and the Philippines and associated territories. And then you can try looking abroad. My key point is that you are recognized as a state by others, your actions gain better international recognition and are less likely to be contested by others, and as such, it makes your life easier [well, I don't know about you, but it makes mine easier to bear...].

For a simplified version of this starter kit, look at Kopparberg's FAQ list on the Map Thread [the one directly above the map ]. It's all the same material, except more condensed and perhaps more legible as well.

In any case, I'm glad you chose to come, and I hope that you decide to stay - but I must stress the most important tenets of Earth V - 1) active RPing, 2) relatively realistic RPing, & 3) fun RPing! With that in mind, I wish you luck in the formation of your state.

For easy convenience, the most common threads to use are listed below:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492522 - IC Thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109 - Map Thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501393 - Reference Thread [if you make a factbook, submit the thread link here so I can updated it!]
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492526 - Military Declarations Thread [if you want to have a war, you need to declare the status of your armed forces, and this is place to do it!]

I hope that this helps you on your way. And seeing as you've made your claims already, I will try to update them ASAP.

I just thought of something. What if we run out of Territories? And the entire world is already owned or being assimilated by players. What then?

I just thought of something. What if we run out of Territories? And the entire world is already owned or being assimilated by players. What then?

Unlikely, at the rate new players join and old players drop out, there will always be territories.

Example, since I have joined around 5-6 players have joined. Add to that 6-7 players have dropped out.

That's not including the new ones just joining now or in the past few weeks.

Make it so Number 1

Make it so Number 1

Ok, Old Man. :D

I just thought of something. What if we run out of Territories? And the entire world is already owned or being assimilated by players. What then?

Then we will need to have war until people drop out...

Hey guys, i'm having a little trouble in making the calculations for my factbook. How do I calculate my GDP? And what about the budgets?

Hey guys, i'm having a little trouble in making the calculations for my factbook. How do I calculate my GDP? And what about the budgets?

OCC: We really don't have a GDP for any of our nations, however we do have a military budget. If, their is a calculation for our countries Gross Domestic Product I have never seen it. Here's your military budget using the rules for Earth V.

Q: How big is my defense budget?
A: Look at your nation on nseconomy, and follow these steps:
1) Divide your RL-population with your NS-population (i.e.: 32,000,000 / 540,000,000). The result is your ratio (in this example: 0.059).
2) Multiply your NS-defense budget with your ratio from step 1. I.e.: 3,508,281 million * 0.059 = 206,988 million. This is your defense budget in Earth V.

Sweden has a population of 9,016,596 and Finland a population of 5,231,372. Together they have a combined pop of 14,247,968. Your NS nation has a population of 244 million. Using rule 1 we get this...

1. 14,247,968 divided by 244 million= a ratio of 0.0583933114754 (add lots of other numbers defending on many your calcultor can hold, that's as far as I'm going).

2. Your NS defense budget is 131,888,741,677.06 times that with your ratio of 0.0583933114754 which= 7,701,420,372.85 [That is your defense Budget.]


Also, don't forget to post a military declaration. You can do that here-http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492526&page=4

OCC: We really don't have a GDP for any of our nations, however we do have a military budget. If, their is a calculation for our countries Gross Domestic Product I have never seen it. Here's your military budget using the rules for Earth V.

Q: How big is my defense budget?
A: Look at your nation on nseconomy, and follow these steps:
1) Divide your RL-population with your NS-population (i.e.: 32,000,000 / 540,000,000). The result is your ratio (in this example: 0.059).
2) Multiply your NS-defense budget with your ratio from step 1. I.e.: 3,508,281 million * 0.059 = 206,988 million. This is your defense budget in Earth V.

Sweden has a population of 9,016,596 and Finland a population of 5,231,372. Together they have a combined pop of 14,247,968. Your NS nation has a population of 244 million. Using rule 1 we get this...

1. 14,247,968 divided by 244 million= a ratio of 0.0583933114754 (add lots of other numbers defending on many your calcultor can hold, that's as far as I'm going).

2. Your NS defense budget is 131,888,741,677.06 times that with your ratio of 0.0583933114754 which= 7,701,420,372.85 [That is your defense Budget.]


Also, don't forget to post a military declaration. You can do that here-http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492526&page=4

I use a GDP calculator that I believe is more accurate and more useful.

Using the NS calculators:

You figure out your GDP per capita; multiply the GDP capita to your EV population to get your GDP; multiply by tax rate to get budget; multiply by individual governmental domains to get those individual budgets. The error of this process is that it leaves out the corruption bonus that is automatically deducted from the national budget in the regular NS calculator, so if you want to calculate a more realistic budget, factor the percent of corruption relative to your nation's budget, and then multiply the corruption factor into the budget to get corruption factor, and then subtract. I've got a nice excel worksheet does it automatically for me, so I'm somewhat happy about - just plug and chug :D.

:D This is becoming quite the fraternity now.....

I use a GDP calculator that I believe is more accurate and more useful.

Using the NS calculators:

You figure out your GDP per capita; multiply the GDP capita to your EV population to get your GDP; multiply by tax rate to get budget; multiply by individual governmental domains to get those individual budgets. The error of this process is that it leaves out the corruption bonus that is automatically deducted from the national budget in the regular NS calculator, so if you want to calculate a more realistic budget, factor the percent of corruption relative to your nation's budget, and then multiply the corruption factor into the budget to get corruption factor, and then subtract. I've got a nice excel worksheet does it automatically for me, so I'm somewhat happy about - just plug and chug :D.

Yeah after the first sentence, I just skipped over to I got "I've got a nice excel worksheet does it automatically for me." Yeah, I don't got one so I'm doing it the easiest way I know how. :D

That's all I needed to know.

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On that note: I now officially have the greatest military declaration of any nation here on Earth V and more then likely on the entire NS site. And I quote- "The text that you have entered is too long (50554 characters). Please shorten it to 50000 characters long." LMAO, :p

ADD to that, I'll still got crap to add to it. You may now proceed to tell me I am the greatest, you know you want to. :D

So Can I Do Something with H-Town yet? {Like always it will be done politicly]

Yeah after the first sentence, I just skipped over to I got "I've got a nice excel worksheet does it automatically for me." Yeah, I don't got one so I'm doing it the easiest way I know how. :D

That's all I needed to know.

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On that note: I now officially have the greatest military declaration of any nation here on Earth V and more then likely on the entire NS site. And I quote- "The text that you have entered is too long (50554 characters). Please shorten it to 50000 characters long." LMAO, :p

ADD to that, I'll still got crap to add to it. You may now proceed to tell me I am the greatest, you know you want to. :D


I surrender i dont want to read all the text. you have beaten me with your powers of consistancy. lol:D

So Can I Do Something with H-Town yet? {Like always it will be done politicly]

politically? you conquer via politics? wow... well anyway, Indochina has been open to RPing opportunities for the longest time, so if you really want to, you can stick your head out of America and delve into Asia :D

Yeah after the first sentence, I just skipped over to I got "I've got a nice excel worksheet does it automatically for me." Yeah, I don't got one so I'm doing it the easiest way I know how. :D

That's all I needed to know.

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On that note: I now officially have the greatest military declaration of any nation here on Earth V and more then likely on the entire NS site. And I quote- "The text that you have entered is too long (50554 characters). Please shorten it to 50000 characters long." LMAO, :p

ADD to that, I'll still got crap to add to it. You may now proceed to tell me I am the greatest, you know you want to. :D

Well, I hope that I never become that detailed, but my automation will beat your manual labor anyday :D - but again, I'm not in the business for making a contest out of every single thing, so let's keep it at that; geez, first it's philanthropy, now it's military declarations! next thing is "I've got the longest RP in history!!! and most of it isn't bumps!!!"...

well, I'm just posting this out there, I've got people going on my Red list for the next week!!! I will post them when I have more time this evening.

ON THAT NOTE:


If you are anticipating a long furlough in excess of two weeks!!! PLEASE LET US KNOW SO WE CAN ACCOMMODATE YOUR ABSENCE!!! I've currently got two people who in absentia, only because they told us that they would be gone for a long time, so they are safe. As far as I know or care to know, no one else has exempted themselves since, so I'd like it that if you are interested in staying and have no ability in the near future to RP for an extended time of more than two weeks, please let us know so we can note the change and "save" your country in some kind of RP stasis chamber [to be decided ad libitum].

On that same note, if you are no longer interested in this RP or cannot continue this RP for personal reasons [or a combination of the two], please let us know!!! The earlier we can get out inactive players, the more opportunities we have to get someone who is as good or better than you :D. And seriously, it's a waste of space and time, so do it for the good of this RP.

That's all for now, folks!

Well, I hope that I never become that detailed, but my automation will beat your manual labor anyday :D - but again, I'm not in the business for making a contest out of every single thing, so let's keep it at that; geez, first it's philanthropy, now it's military declarations! next thing is "I've got the longest RP in history!!! and most of it isn't bumps!!!"...

well, I'm just posting this out there, I've got people going on my Red list for the next week!!! I will post them when I have more time this evening.

What can I say, I'm an pefectist. Remember, the Devil is in the detail.

I'm not in a contest either, I just thought when that came up it was funny as I never have had that message pop up before. When I first saw it, serious I was thinking. WTH.

The longest RP in history you say, hmmmmmmmm that gives me an idea. ;)

OCC: Anyways, I replied to your message in the Division of the American Thread.

Make it so Number 1.
Worf to Engineering.
Commander Data find out what you know about this "Longest RP in History".
I'll be in my quarters.

Make it so Number 1.
Worf to Engineering.
Commander Data find out what you know about this "Longest RP in History".
I'll be in my quarters.

Holy hell- I'm playing a Star Trek game right now. Are you stalking me? :p

The game I'm playing is called "Birth of the Federation", which is essentially a Civilization type of game set in the Star Trek: Next Generation timeline and universe. You can play the Feds, Romulans, Cardassians, Klingons, or the Ferengi, plus you get to get various minor races to join your empire (Vulcans, Betazoids, Yridians, Andorians, Sheliak, etc.). The Borg can invade the galaxy, and it takes like 30+ battleships to defeat one Borg Cube, compared to the wussy Borg's of the other Trek games that can be defeated by 1 or 2 battleships.

What's more, one of the best and fun things of the game is that you can actually steal the enemy's warships and add them to your fleet. Imagine the Romulans stealing Federation Galaxy-class warships, and then use these ships aganist the Federation. Imagine the "WTF?!" moment Picard will go through when he sees a single Galaxy class ship approach the Enterprise-D (or Enterprise-E) then have two Romulan warbirds decloak behind the Galaxy ship, then the Galaxy ship fires ON the Enterprise, along with the 2 Romulan Warbirds.

Heh- stuff like this *is* possible in this game.

GTA: star trek... has a good ring to it

Thanks for the helps guys, i just wanted to let you know that i'm still working on the factbook, i should finish it later today.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11963054#post11963054

New RP. I'd like somone at some point to help out- not now, as nothing has really happened yet. Oh, but it will.

Hi. I'm having some problems trying to research Brazilian military equipment and troop numbers. I think I have the Brazil politics down pat but seeing that Earth V people love war, I need to have the Brazilian military numbers and equipment. Can anyone help me with this? After I finish this, then I should be finally able to put up my factbook and start roleplaying.

Hi. I'm having some problems trying to research Brazilian military equipment and troop numbers. I think I have the Brazil politics down pat but seeing that Earth V people love war, I need to have the Brazilian military numbers and equipment. Can anyone help me with this? After I finish this, then I should be finally able to put up my factbook and start roleplaying.
Here is something:

http://www.exercito.gov.br/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/brazil/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Brazil

I think you'll find everything you need on these pages.

And - welcome to Earth-V Braska!

Here is something:

http://www.exercito.gov.br/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/brazil/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Brazil

I think you'll find everything you need on these pages.

And - welcome to Earth-V Braska!

Earth V - It's that friendly!!!

[anyone from Kentucky will know about what I speak, especially if you hated those gay-ass license plates...]

Here is something:

http://www.exercito.gov.br/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/brazil/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Brazil

I think you'll find everything you need on these pages.

And - welcome to Earth-V Braska!

OCC: Darnit, you beat me to it. However, you missed one. [INSERT EVIL GRIN] :D

Brazil Air Force (http://www.scramble.nl/br.htm). I also know of a few more sites. To many in fact, [Enter Sarcasm]Got to love pen and paper :D [End Sarcasm]

Edit: Also, I restarted the West African thread. Maybe now I can finish it up.

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Earth V - It's that friendly!!!

[anyone from Kentucky will know about what I speak, especially if you hated those gay-ass license plates...]

To Friendly if you ask me.*[Note the Sarcasm] :D

[Sarcasm again]-When did Kentucky go gay? I thought Massachusetts had that all to it self. :rolleyes: :D

Anyway, I'm not from Kentucky. I'm down more, keep going till you get to hell. That's where I am at the moment. Thankfully, though that's only in the summers and it's WINTER NOW! YEAH!!!!!!! Best time of the Year.

OCC: Darnit, you beat me to it. However, you missed one. [INSERT EVIL GRIN] :D

Brazil Air Force (http://www.scramble.nl/br.htm). I also know of a few more sites. To many in fact, [Enter Sarcasm]Got to love pen and paper :D [End Sarcasm]

Edit: Also, I restarted the West African thread. Maybe now I can finish it up.

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To Friendly if you ask me.*[Note the Sarcasm] :D

[Sarcasm again]-When did Kentucky go gay? I thought Massachusetts had that all to it self. :rolleyes: :D

Anyway, I'm not from Kentucky. I'm down more, keep going till you get to hell. That's where I am at the moment. Thankfully, though that's only in the summers and it's WINTER NOW! YEAH!!!!!!! Best time of the Year.

Hmm, well, here's what I was talking about:

http://www.platehut.com/images/plates_unitedstates/ky/KY_Friendly_294JML.jpg

OCC: Darnit, you beat me to it. However, you missed one. [INSERT EVIL GRIN] :D

Brazil Air Force (http://www.scramble.nl/br.htm). I also know of a few more sites. To many in fact, [Enter Sarcasm]Got to love pen and paper :D [End Sarcasm]

Edit: Also, I restarted the West African thread. Maybe now I can finish it up.

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To Friendly if you ask me.*[Note the Sarcasm] :D

[Sarcasm again]-When did Kentucky go gay? I thought Massachusetts had that all to it self. :rolleyes: :D

Anyway, I'm not from Kentucky. I'm down more, keep going till you get to hell. That's where I am at the moment. Thankfully, though that's only in the summers and it's WINTER NOW! YEAH!!!!!!! Best time of the Year.

Is your west african thread pertaining to Senegal..... you need to talk to me first bub:)

yeah i wantt to get out of the quagmire of sengal also.

Hmm, well, here's what I was talking about:

http://www.platehut.com/images/plates_unitedstates/ky/KY_Friendly_294JML.jpg

LMAO, LMAO! :D- Man that cracks me up and I've seen some terrible plates. A lot of states allow you to have a custom plate and where I live the last time I check it had a selection of over a 1,000 different types. I've also seen some pretty cool ones too. As they said the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

Is your west african thread pertaining to Senegal..... you need to talk to me first bub:)

yeah i wantt to get out of the quagmire of sengal also.

Nope, that thread had to do with my mistake invading Gabon and also Equatorial Guinea. I'm glad to say, I'll be able to put that RP to rest and start one I've been dying to do for over 2 weeks plus an extra 2 day break. I had no quagmire in Senegal, I only sent a fighter group. With the war over, it returned home. With Vineyard done annexing nations left and right (Congo). I be able to finish up my withdraw and go back to just minding my own business.

Thanks for the links. I should be able to make my factbook within the next couple of days (work and all that, y'know), then finally begin roleplaying me taking control of Brazil. Looking forward to getting in the mess of things in Earth V.

I'm back!

Any problems with Sharina and Costa Rica?

I'm back!

Any problems with Sharina and Costa Rica?

In a sense, yes. DP's gone and the entire Caribbean is well on its way from a regional war to a global war. Interesting times lay ahead.

"gets a bit envious now Aficas out of limelight" :D

"gets a bit envious now Aficas out of limelight" :D

Go! Seize Africa when nobody's looking!

(whistles innocently)

Ok Ill be making a post tomorrow to deal with the lands held by the former HTown Ninjas and British Londinium (although im sure hell be back so if he is discount the latter).

Also expect a post in the America's situation.

Im a tad lost. What has happened since my trip? (Which began last wednesday).

Go! Seize Africa when nobody's looking!

(whistles innocently)

[whistles innocently reseting the pieces...]

to answer Vineyard, not much...

Sorry I haven't done much Earth V Rping as of late. Been more into the NS Regular world. I have an idea for a new RP. Election. My country needs a new Leader. Andrei has been leader for almost 15 years. Thats enough.

what is it? election season?

It's November. Need I say more?

"Blessed Lord, let us be thankful for this great food before us, and may it be that elections someday perish in the Great Pits of Fire when You come again!"

Hmm...A change of leader eh? I was thinking of doing something like that...only not in a boring peaceful way like elections... ;)

Finally finished my factbook. Please share your opinions.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11985623#post11985623

Finally finished my factbook. Please share your opinions.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11985623#post11985623
Excellent. Just don't forget about DP for military stuff. ;)

Excellent. Just don't forget about DP for military stuff. ;)

i second this

I am not sure what you mean by DP military stuff. I'm working with what Brazil has in real life, albeit tweaked a bit to fit the recent civil war and different nations in Earth V than in real life.

I am not sure what you mean by DP military stuff. I'm working with what Brazil has in real life, albeit tweaked a bit to fit the recent civil war and different nations in Earth V than in real life.
We mean the player Dweladelfia prime (DP). He used to have Brazil, remember? You most likely inherit some of his stuff, as long as it makes IC sense.

I cannot seem to find DP's stuff, thus I am reverting to original Brazilian equipment then upgrade from there on Brazil's own.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11577137&postcount=20

There it is. All that you need to know.

If you need any help, let Kopparsbergs know. Because, hell, I ain't helping ya.

J/K, let me know if you need help. :)

Word has leaked through the grapevine through soldiers present during the time. Investigators soon followed and one brave journalist confirmed the stories. Forces under the command of Vineyard have murdered the first family while forcing them to surrender. When this story was leaked, rebel forces ambushed and where able to capture the bodies of the family. Unfortunately for Vineyard this had a terrible affect and increased resistance tenfold.

Meanwhile this information was then heard across the globe, and during this turbulent time it just added fuel to the fire. The Philippines was the first to question Vineyard accusing them of barbarism. The nation of Vineyard was asked, rather impolitely, to try and explain this story to the free world.

ooc: Mmmm, Godmod.

And I will tell you why.

I made that RP to show the brutality and barbarity of the Imperial Guards. Seeing how it was such a traumatic incident, however, I doubt that the Guards would ever talk about it. For that matter, they don't talk to forign reporters, or any forigners unless they are ordering something of of that forigner, or are interrogating that forigner. They would never callously remark about the deaths of the Presidential family to another Guardsman, and certainly not to a forigner. They are the Elite of the Empire, trained to fight and to be pristine soldiers from a young age. They are mentally trained as well, to be self contained, to be calculating, to be observant, and to loathe forigners.

The other part of that godmod was what you called 'rebel resistance' seizing the bodies of the Presidential family from the Guardsmen. HIGHLY unlikly, to say the least.

1). No Rebel Resistance had yet formed, the National Guard was still on their feet trying to resist.

2). Untrained citizens turned rebels could never defeat a small column of Guardsmen, not unless they rushed them with massive numbers. Even then, I doubt their effictiveness. They can't aim, they can't shoot, and they can't fight hand-to-hand on a professional level, let alone a decent level.

In short: A big godmod.

It would be yes....if you out SIC tags on it.

OOC: The thing is you still have to use my stuff. I was going to tell you all what I had to make your life’s easier. But since you continue to pester me, I won't. So much for realism (If there was any.)

This is only be my first warning, but seeing as you've already caught up a small gale with former members, I'm also making this my last warning - stay out.

I did warn you - this is going out. Either you chose to ignore me - which I hope that you did not because I take my word very seriously - or you hoped to incite me to react. In any case, I am reacting, and I can only postulate how best to react to your intrusion, which has been warned - past and present. I could simply refer this to TG6R, but my mind wanders over to the flaming button, and I'm feeling that this consequence would be well worth the action committed. But you know, I'm going to be nice - since I didn't specify how I would react. So now you know - next offense I see anywhere, I will personally report to the MODs - and whatever punishment they liken will be what is endowed upon you. So for your own sake, I strongly suggest that you simply give up this little tirade before it becomes beyond proportions that it ought to hold. I state again - you want to intervene, rejoin Earth V or otherwise stay out. MY last warning before I report. And just so that there isn't confusion, this is going straight into the OOC Thread, so people can recognize that this is simply not out of the wild blue yonder.

As I stated - if anyone witnesses DP intruding on this RP at any point, please tell TG6R or me, or report to the MODs directly. I have little tolerance for person who either shows no respect for common courtesy or demonstrates an incapacity to restrain opinions in places where they are no longer valued. Even if he is right, I think it would be a bad precedent to set if we simply allowed mal sangue into the air here.

On that note, Braska - Vineyard's link is very good, so if you need any help trying to rearrange that sort of stuff, I'd be happy to help.

Would this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11992037&postcount=21) be strike three?

I realized earlier today that I didn't have a factbook up for Earth V so I thought I'd go ahead and build one. I just finished putting it up, but there's a lot still to be fleshed out.

Better something than nothing, yeah?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508411

I realized earlier today that I didn't have a factbook up for Earth V so I thought I'd go ahead and build one. I just finished putting it up, but there's a lot still to be fleshed out.

Better something than nothing, yeah?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508411

Was wondering when you were going to get one up, looks good. Look forward to seeing what else you add.

ALM says I have a few days before my claims are repossessed. I think I'll let them go. This RP is good, but not for me. I think I need to be in an RP at its start\ to like it. Thank you for your time. I will have a complete decision soon.

Was wondering when you were going to get one up, looks good. Look forward to seeing what else you add.

I thought I had one up from my early days of Earth V, but I guess it was either lost, erased in the Jolt Wipe earlier this year, or something else. Then I looked over the compendium of Earth V nation factbooks and didn't see my nation in there, and went "Oh, crap. Better get a new one up!"

I'm glad I finally got that factbook up and running. Perhaps I can even use that factbook for any mainstream NS RP'ing (with a respectable group of RP'ers). However, I don't usually do mainstream NS RP'ing anymore because of the extreme wank with 100 million man armies, NS-tech, uber-ships, uber-planes, and uber-tanks.

I try to start up good RP's, like exploration, colonialism, or civic RP's, and nobody is interested in them. They prefer to blow shit up and stuff, and when I try to get into that spirit, I always get smacked around. When I try to use plausible and realistic ships like Iowa or Montana battleships, and Nimitz carriers, or realistic aircraft like F-22 Raptors, or tanks like M1A2 (or M1A3) Abrams, the other RP'ers always pull out superdread's with 30 inch guns, 1 kilometer long hulls, 2 million tons weight, planes that fly Mach 10+, tanks that kill 10,000 infantry soldiers without one scratch on one tank, and so on.

That's why I don't bother with mainstream NS anymore, because I can't be assed to wank myself to match the other RP'er's wank. I prefer real RP like Earth V or RP's that ban ridiclious and silly wank.

(end rant)

In Reply to Sharina

Good Rant, I agree with you on the extreme wank a lot of these Role-Plays turn into. Post-Modern Tech seems to be the most popular time period, but what seems to be happen is the merging of FT and PMT into one and people getting the two intertwined to the point no one can tell them apart. Example- as you stated the 100 million man armies. I also find it funny that people really think in the future their will be 100 million man armies. That just isn't the case by looking at the history of our civilization.

The last time, record number breaking armies was fielded was during the height of World War 2. Then and only then a few select countries mobilized millions upon million of soldiers reaching a height into the high tens of millions. Those being America of course, Russia and Germany. The rest mostly fielded only a few million to a few hundred thousand. The trend since world war two has been smaller, better equip and smarter armies. I think that trend will continue until we see man completely replaced on the battlefield by some type of machine. Either AI or programmed. (Think Star Wars: the Clone Wars- Droids or the Cylons in BattleStar Galactic.) Of course mankind, will still be on the Battlefield but, in a role no one is certain to know or guess at.

Though it's not always called, a lot of that wanking is in fact a God Mod. Because, most of the equipment and technology people play with in Post Modern Tech is based off of equipment and technology being used or developed today.

(End of my rant)

You know what?

Ill start a factbook too.

You know what?

Ill start a factbook too.

yay :eek:

ATTN: WANDERJAR

I am giving you until Monday 0000GMT to tell me that you are willing to take power inn Gaelithia, since he has already expressed his non-interest in taking Scotland and Ireland. That said, Moorington is also interested in seizing the territory - so you have until then to take power [albeit through an RP, something simple like an extensive election campaign or a brutal genocide campaign...]. If you do not reply by Monday 0000GMT, Moorington will win rights to make an RP in Scotland/Ireland.

ATTN: Moorington

If Wanderjar takes the Scottish/Irish territories, I can work out an arrangement to get you into some of the more prominent areas of RP abilities, seeing as you're starting to get active again. In fact, if things don't work out, I'll make them work out.

ATTN: Moorington

If Wanderjar takes the Scottish/Irish territories, I can work out an arrangement to get you into some of the more prominent areas of RP abilities, seeing as you're starting to get active again. In fact, if things don't work out, I'll make them work out.

Might I suggust a country or two in South America, that region seems to be the most headache today. So, if he wants to really get in the thick of things so to speak, South America is the region. Hell, I've got a few countries that are semi-open. Meaning of course, their marked in my color, but I haven't officially claimed them, yet. To officially claim them in a RP would be very easy for any new person. I have set up new governments in these nations and they could easily RP assuming command of them as they could RP the new governments that have come into power. Also, Bolivia and Peru are now also open.

ATTN: WANDERJAR

I am giving you until Monday 0000GMT to tell me that you are willing to take power inn Gaelithia, since he has already expressed his non-interest in taking Scotland and Ireland. That said, Moorington is also interested in seizing the territory - so you have until then to take power [albeit through an RP, something simple like an extensive election campaign or a brutal genocide campaign...]. If you do not reply by Monday 0000GMT, Moorington will win rights to make an RP in Scotland/Ireland.

ATTN: Moorington

If Wanderjar takes the Scottish/Irish territories, I can work out an arrangement to get you into some of the more prominent areas of RP abilities, seeing as you're starting to get active again. In fact, if things don't work out, I'll make them work out.
This is backed by myself as well. Did you send him a telegram warning?

I apologize for posting in the wrong forum before. I hope I am doing this correctly, I am extremely interested in Earth V.

I currently have a population of 7 million, and I am new to the RP side of NationStates, but I do have previous a previous RP background. I just need to get used to the lingo.

The two nations I would like to request are:

Estonia
Lithuania


If this is beyond what I am allowed I would like Lithuania please, due to its large Roman Catholic population.

EDIT: Also if I need to edit anything having to do with my NSwiki (links in my signature), please, by all means tell me.

I apologize for posting in the wrong forum before. I hope I am doing this correctly, I am extremely interested in Earth V.

I currently have a population of 7 million, and I am new to the RP side of NationStates, but I do have previous a previous RP background. I just need to get used to the lingo.

The two nations I would like to request are:

Estonia
Lithuania


If this is beyond what I am allowed I would like Lithuania please, due to its large Roman Catholic population.

EDIT: Also if I need to edit anything having to do with my NSwiki (links in my signature), please, by all means tell me.

I'd be more than happy to have Recolitus participate in Earth V. I've seen his RP in an alternate history WW-2 RP project and his stuff is above-average for Nationstates.

I've had a hard time with work the last week. Is there something important I've missed?
I hope the coming week will be better, I miss the RP's here in Earth-V!

I apologize for posting in the wrong forum before. I hope I am doing this correctly, I am extremely interested in Earth V.

I currently have a population of 7 million, and I am new to the RP side of NationStates, but I do have previous a previous RP background. I just need to get used to the lingo.

The two nations I would like to request are:

Estonia
Lithuania

Great to have you here. We're in constant need of new players here in Earth-V.

To bad, both Estonia and Lithuania are occupied by Rethan. Look in the map-thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=493109) for an updated list.

I've heard something about Sel-Appa is going to leave us, and if that's true Ukraine may be open for you. But I'm not sure about that...

I'm just making sure, but if we RP in Earth V (MT), are we also allowed to RP outside of Earth V in another time (PMT for me)? I have a feeling we are, but I want to make sure. Thanks for any input. And also, to Sharina and United earthlings, nice rants. I support you wholeheartedly (is that even a word :p )

Rethan;11997559']I'm just making sure, but if we RP in Earth V (MT), are we also allowed to RP outside of Earth V in another time (PMT for me)? I have a feeling we are, but I want to make sure. Thanks for any input. And also, to Sharina and United earthlings, nice rants. I support you wholeheartedly (is that even a word :p )
Oh yes!
You can do whatever you want outside Earth-V. Your nation inside Earth-V and your nation outside Earth-V doesn't have any connections at all.

This is backed by myself as well. Did you send him a telegram warning?

I did send them a TG, but I haven't gotten anything yet from Wanderjar - can call me crazy, but I feel that my message never got through to him...

But Gaelithia told me that he was interested in Lebanon, which is open.

And Wanderjar did say that he wanted his old territories back.

And Moorington did say that he wanted the change [which apparently he has agreed to change], and Sel has said that he's leaving.

So if everything goes as planned, we'll shift a lot of ownership, but no real losses [gain one, lose one...]



Recolitus, I'm glad that you come with endorsements :D

There's currently a whole bunch of countries open, but unfortunately, most of them are overseas. Moorington said that he'd be glad to take Turkey, but he didn't mention anything else. I'd be inclined to split the territory at Bulgaria/Turkey, and Ukraine/Moldova, since it's relatively equal sharing. If you will take that, I think we can arrange it all.


NOTE TO ALL: just because I'm saying you can have it doesn't it comes free. I think TG6R would agree with me in saying that these are formerly occupied countries, and so a takeover RP is needed somewhere in these lines [can't get away with an ascension RP anymore...]

I'd be inclined to split the territory at Bulgaria/Turkey, and Ukraine/Moldova, since it's relatively equal sharing. If you will take that, I think we can arrange it all.

That seems fine to me :D

I'd be inclined to split the territory at Bulgaria/Turkey, and Ukraine/Moldova, since it's relatively equal sharing. If you will take that, I think we can arrange it all.


NOTE TO ALL: just because I'm saying you can have it doesn't it comes free. I think TG6R would agree with me in saying that these are formerly occupied countries, and so a takeover RP is needed somewhere in these lines [can't get away with an ascension RP anymore...]
I'll agree with that as well.

As I created my NSwiki before I thought I was going to do this, I am sure there are some things that need to be removed. If you get sometime to look at it I would appreciate it. The links are in my signature

Stupid question, but so many new players have come and gone I can't remember them all. Who, the [bleep] was WANDERJAR and what were his territories? :headbang: Has, Earth V always been this busy because it's either [Enter Sarcasm]good or annoying[End Sarcasm]. I can't decided which. I've gonna have to create me a thread of who claimed what when and what happen to them if this rate of joining and dropping out keeps out. That makes what now, 12-13? Soon, little of the players that were around when I joined will be gone. That number grows smaller every day, I can now count them on my fingers.

End of boring Rant.

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Moved from IC thread- OOC:

Right here.

TG6R is a peaceful nation devoted to world peace and understanding. We don't do much. ;)

Now back to the RP...

[Enter Sarcasm]I don't know if that's a good thing or bad.[End Sarcasm] Still, it's good to have a peaceful neighbor watching your back. Since, I've never officially done this yet as I haven't gotten a chance to do it with your weird on off schedule.

Can we exchange Embassies, please? I've been trying to do that for ages. I know this is OCC, but better then nothing. Also, I want to trade. I've got lots of cheese and water to exchange. :D

Now, back to the RP. :D

Stupid question, but so many new players have come and gone I can't remember them all. Who, the [bleep] was WANDERJAR and what were his territories?
He had Scotland, way back in time. (August or September.)

He had Scotland, way back in time. (August or September.)

Thanks, I swear if one more person goes. I'm creating that thread.

Thanks, I swear if one more person goes. I'm creating that thread.
Seriously, that thread could be useful...

Seriously, that thread could be useful...

My memory thinks so. :D

One more person and I'm doing that thread. I have a feeling though that I'll end up doing that thread, cause I have already spoted about two new players that well shall we say have gone inactive and haven't been active for atleast a week or two.

Sense, this would be a reference thread. What name would you guys want it called? I've come up so far with "The Nation List". or how about "The Nations of Earth V"?

as long as it goes into the Reference Thread, I'm fine with it.

The following have been dropped and their territories are open for claiming:

H-Town Tejas
Bree Tonia
Canadstein
British Londinium

The following territories are reserved, pending a good RP takeover [since TG6R has in name approved them]:

Sel Appa [split between Moorington and Recolitus]
Gaelithia [for Wanderjar, if he does decide to return...]

And again, there's the trouble with DP...

Fix them or leave them, but make sure that ALL of your territorial changes have been noted in the Map thread, or else they aren't official :D

Umm, sorry for asking so many questions lol.

Where do I post my post RP takeover, and which territories exactly am I splitting with Moorington?

Also do I post the notes for territorial changes before or after I have done the RP takeover and it is considered appropriate.

One more thing, what types of takeovers are allowed? Since I am just getting started I think a revolution, coup-d'etat or something like that would be appropriate.

Sorry again for the billion questions

Umm, sorry for asking so many questions lol.

Where do I post my post RP takeover, and which territories exactly am I splitting with Moorington?

Also do I post the notes for territorial changes before or after I have done the RP takeover and it is considered appropriate.

One more thing, what types of takeovers are allowed? Since I am just getting started I think a revolution, coup-d'etat or something like that would be appropriate.

Sorry again for the billion questions

1. You can post your takeover in the Earth V International Incidents thread or create a new thread for it (I prefer new thread, as it's easier to keep track of).

2. Your claims are approved, but IC'wise you should post your territorial notes after you takeover these nations. It makes sense, considering you'll get IC recongition once you have a nation to control.

3. Pretty much any realistic takeover. Military coup, elections, a combination of the two, terrorism, insurgency, revolution, and so on. The important thing is to keep it realistic- no "OMG! Rebels win in just 1 day with 10 million man army!" crap like on mainstream NS.

Hope that answers most, if not all, of your questions.

Yep that answered them all, thanks =D

EDIT: Here is the post:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12005347#post12005347

If anything needs to be fixed, please tell me.

Ive started a thread for Htown and London however if a new player wants to take the realm before anything gets started ill gladly rp with them.

Yep that answered them all, thanks =D

EDIT: Here is the post:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12005347#post12005347

If anything needs to be fixed, please tell me.

I'm just here to say that it's a good start - and that you got the right territories [Ukraine and Moldova].

Moorington, to save your claim on Turkey/Bulgaria, you need to make an RP takeover soon as well.


And I will make a note of change in the claims for H-Town Tejas and British Londinium for this RP - I presume since it's started that it's already in the Reference thread?

Yep that answered them all, thanks =D

EDIT: Here is the post:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12005347#post12005347

If anything needs to be fixed, please tell me.

Looks quite good for a newcomer to NS (considering most newcomers or NS first-timers tend to RP poorly or n00bish). I'm damn glad to have someone like you in Earth V, as your RP will add to the quality and excitement of Earth V overall.

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Brinkman, post the link to your thread, so I can take a look.

I am curious as to how to make my factbook? I understand that your military starting off has to be appropriate to your country, but how close exactly does it have to be? Also as far as economy and that, what all has to be RL figures, what has to be from NSEconomy and what is just made up based on size of your nation?

Thanks in advance. I'll start typing up what I know to type up now.


EDIT: I put the link up for my Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12006431#post12006431) in the Relevant IC/OOC/RP threads

ooc: Just an FYI - since I've crafted an excel worksheet that calculates my budget out more efficiently than what I can write out here, I've decided that it would be better if I made a public copy of my budget and requirements, so I don't need to change much when my details from my country get updated.

I am still working on the details at the moment, but basically, my one worksheets helps me manage my entire domain with one click :D [literally, of course...].

here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12007652&postcount=66)

Vineyard has requested a war moderator for his upcoming war. If he accepts, ALM shall be this moderator, as he already is a moderator.

here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12007652&postcount=66)

I'm not sure if that is in response to my question about economies, but the link takes me to the quoted post....

Vineyard has requested a war moderator for his upcoming war. If he accepts, ALM shall be this moderator, as he already is a moderator.

How will the war be moderated, and losses be factored correctly if ALM should moderate the war?

How will the war be moderated, and losses be factored correctly if ALM should moderate the war?

Good question, generally in a major war the defender has the advantage so the attacker would suffer more losses. Weather also will play a role, so we need to decide what month it is for his attack to be launched. If it's in the dead of winter in one place it will be summer in another. Their's also tons of more factors, to many for me to go in right now.

Also, I'm fine with ALM moderating the war. As long as I spot no bias (at least major bias as I'm sure their will be a little for one party or another at one time), I won't have any problems. Vineyard, just has to give me time to Post a Military Declaration for Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay. I know he won't be attacking some of those countries, but you never know. Also, someone will need to RP as Gabon as it's not part of the Republic, but merely and I say this in bold so you all get it. In a defensive alliance with the Kingdom of Iberia, but not with the Republic. So, an invasion of Gabon would draw only the Kingdom of Iberia into war, but not the other powers in the Republic. An attack on the other nations would without a doubt draw the entire Republic into the conflict. So, if Vineyard decides he doesn't want a major war, but simply a small one that's one way for him to go.

Clear enough?

Good question, generally in a major war the defender has the advantage so the attacker would suffer more losses. Weather also will play a role, so we need to decide what month it is for his attack to be launched. If it's in the dead of winter in one place it will be summer in another. Their's also tons of more factors, to many for me to go in right now.

Also, I'm fine with ALM moderating the war. As long as I spot no bias (at least major bias as I'm sure their will be a little for one party or another at one time), I won't have any problems. Vineyard, just has to give me time to Post a Military Declaration for Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay. I know he won't be attacking some of those countries, but you never know. Also, someone will need to RP as Gabon as it's not part of the Republic, but merely and I say this in bold so you all get it. In a defensive alliance with the Kingdom of Iberia, but not with the Republic. So, an invasion of Gabon would draw only the Kingdom of Iberia into war, but not the other powers in the Republic. An attack on the other nations would without a doubt draw the entire Republic into the conflict. So, if Vineyard decides he doesn't want a major war, but simply a small one that's one way for him to go.

Clear enough?

To be honest, its still a little confusing for me when I try to figure out your nation. It being a nation, yet not a nation in the usual sense.

To be honest, its still a little confusing for me when I try to figure out your nation. It being a nation, yet not a nation in the usual sense.

OCC: Don't feel to bad, it's been hard on me separating the two sometimes. However, to make you feel worse and me better. It's all your fault. You stated that Venezuela or Sri Lanka or any country for that matter wouldn't just up and willing become the territory of another country or in your words join Spain or the Netherlands (as that's the example you used at the time). Well, I agreed and took that to heart. They would however join a community of nations (alliance- see NATO, UN for examples) and yet still be able to pursue their own affairs.

I looked it up and Venezuela has a real life claim against Guyana and I just extended it to also included the Windward Islands and the Island of Dominica. Given the shape of the world of Earth V, it's not that far of a stretch for given the chance I bet in real life, Venezuela would invaded those Islands if it knew it could get away with it. In real life, Venezuela and the United States don't have the best relations so it's nice to see that it Earth V. However, maybe we can change that. Image an alliance between that of Venezuela and Sharian (United States). The possibility does exist, even in real life.

So to make it easier and more realistic I came up with this, I'm going to start RPing each nation as a unique individual country as it is in real life and the Republic is merely the collection of states working towards various goals sometimes those goals would be the same sometimes not. As my official name is the Republic of United Nations. So, I will be RPing more then one nation each with it's own attitudes, direction and interests.

Simply, I decided to recreate the UN, but to take it in a different direction. Republic equals all nations. Inside, the Republic there are many nations and I’m going to try to make each country unique. So, wish me luck as that will be harder then RP as a single nation as you can see.

OCC: Don't feel to bad, it's been hard on me separating the two sometimes. However, to make you feel worse and me better. It's all your fault. You stated that Venezuela or Sri Lanka or any country for that matter wouldn't just up and willing become the territory of another country or in your words join Spain or the Netherlands (as that's the example you used at the time). Well, I agreed and took that to heart. They would however join a community of nations (alliance- see NATO, UN for examples) and yet still be able to pursue their own affairs.

I looked it up and Venezuela has a real life claim against Guyana and I just extended it to also included the Windward Islands and the Island of Dominica. Given the shape of the world of Earth V, it's not that far of a stretch for given the chance I bet in real life, Venezuela would invaded those Islands if it knew it could get away with it. In real life, Venezuela and the United States don't have the best relations so it's nice to see that it Earth V. However, maybe we can change that. Image an alliance between that of Venezuela and Sharian (United States). The possibility does exist, even in real life.

So to make it easier and more realistic I came up with this, I'm going to start RPing each nation as a unique individual country as it is in real life and the Republic is merely the collection of states working towards various goals sometimes those goals would be the same sometimes not. As my official name is the Republic of United Nations. So, I will be RPing more then one nation each with it's own attitudes, direction and interests.

Simply, I decided to recreate the UN, but to take it in a different direction. Republic equals all nations. Inside, the Republic there are many nations and I’m going to try to make each country unique. So, wish me luck as that will be harder then RP as a single nation as you can see.

Thanks for clearing it up, it's much appreciated. Huge kudos to you for trying something radically different RP-wise instead of the usual "RP as one nation". Its actually refreshing to see original ideas, new RP'ing methods, and new approaches to playing nations.

IC'wise, we are at odds, but OOC'wise, I have respect for you and it's growing more by the week as you try to pull off this new kind of RP.

Vineyard has requested a war moderator for his upcoming war. If he accepts, ALM shall be this moderator, as he already is a moderator.

I recommended ALM for his impartiality. Or Samotonia. Both are good judges OOC'ly IMO. Despite Samotonia being an 'enemy' of sorts IC'ly, I think he is above it in OOC, which is good.

But TG6R wants all parties to agree on a war moderator. But here is the thing- war moderators need to make a decision in battles who wins and who loses. That does not mean that the losing party can protest and have the warmoderator removed. Once a moderator is selected, I think that moderator should be the permanant moderator of that war until it is resolved/over.

Both of the above mentioned are fine by me.

I recommended ALM for his impartiality. Or Samotonia. Both are good judges OOC'ly IMO. Despite Samotonia being an 'enemy' of sorts IC'ly, I think he is above it in OOC, which is good.

But TG6R wants all parties to agree on a war moderator. But here is the thing- war moderators need to make a decision in battles who wins and who loses. That does not mean that the losing party can protest and have the warmoderator removed. Once a moderator is selected, I think that moderator should be the permanant moderator of that war until it is resolved/over.

This still leaves the problem on *HOW* the moderator will determine losses on both sides. Will the moderator look up unit stats, compare them, and say "This does better than that, so it wins."? Or will the moderator use rolling dice like in board games or Dunegons+Dragons games? Or something else altogether?

My concern is that some players may wish to include battle strategies, tactics, or do things like surprise attacks or such. Will this be accounted for, or ignored?

Also, if a player disagrees with the moderator's ruling, I feel the player should be given a chance to debate his case *ONLY* if the case has merit, or if the player has substantial evidence to support his case (like research into terrain, equipment strengths / weaknesses, etc.) that the moderator may not be aware of. For example, how many people are explicitly aware of terrain in, say, Madascagar? Or Mali? Or Borneo? That kind of thing.

I recommended ALM for his impartiality. Or Samotonia. Both are good judges OOC'ly IMO. Despite Samotonia being an 'enemy' of sorts IC'ly, I think he is above it in OOC, which is good.

But TG6R wants all parties to agree on a war moderator. But here is the thing- war moderators need to make a decision in battles who wins and who loses. That does not mean that the losing party can protest and have the warmoderator removed. Once a moderator is selected, I think that moderator should be the permanant moderator of that war until it is resolved/over.

Awww, now I'm blushing :cool:.

I'd be glad to take the reins, uncertain of what kind of mess I invited myself oocly into. But a note of caution - FINALS weeks arrive in two weeks, so be prepared to acknowledge that you will not get swift response to challenges. And if it is alright, I have some guidelines, by which I will be operating [and in fact, by which I would normally operate in any of my usual war RPs] - I feel that it would be best if everyone knew what to expect from me, so we can make this go smoothly and nicely, without pages of debate on who or what should win:

1 - ANY ATTACK MUST HAVE UNIT POSTS [ORBAT of involved forces]; reinforcements must have a detailed layout so people know what's fighting against them oocly at the least [sic attacks are not exempted from this, but common sense say that the forces icly won't know what it is without good intelligence.

2 - [I've seen this abused, so I will say it...] Satellites are not a guarantee to uncover all secrets surface or otherwise. As with any intelligence gathering mechanism, it requires analysis by experts, and analysis requires time. If you want to use satellites, make sure you rp an analysis as well [only because people tend to argue on the points that make up the SIC part - on first glance, a photo of 150,000 troops is obviously a troop formation, but no one in their right mind could say if the force numbered at 50,000 or 500,000 - not without time and detailed analyses. Sum of this point: I know satellites are fair play, but don't abuse your powers].

3 - An attack must be detailed in terms of three stages - mobilization, execution, and result. Mobilization is very important because that means that your troops are ready for an attack [even defending troops must mobilize in order to mount any effective defense]. It also tells us how many troops are committing to an attack oocly. All I need is a simple "this is what we're going to do, and this is how we're going to do it, and these are the resources that we'll use to do it." Execution is obvious - just do the orders. Results come after the execution - and as always, the more steps included in an execution-result stage, the more thorough and the easier it is to manage each part of a battle more closely and with less fighting [a mon avis...]. Results are always done by the defending person [the defending person in an attack, which can be a defensive move if played by the defending player, in which case, the attacking player must rp the results]. Results must include all of the following: rough casualties, general mood of the defense. That's it for that. I'm not asking for specific numbers in asking for casualties [although I do use numbers often], but just to give us an idea of how successful or extensive the attack execution went. If a battle does not carry these three characteristics at a minimum, I can guarantee that this will be a long war [the Red Sea War failed to kickstart because most of the participating players never declared their military forces].

I think that this will suffice for now, but on another note:

If any particular event forces my IC involvement in this conflict, I will voluntarily resign as war mod, seeing as I wouldn't be as unbiased as I was before. And I say "as unbiased as I was" with a good reason - as Napoleon said himself: "God favors the side with the most [best] guns."

With that, I bid you all adieu and good luck!

ALM, my big question is exactly how are you going to resolve combat and losses? I mean, are you planning to use dice like I've seen in a few other RP's, or are you going to be using a different system or something?

Tinsey (Is that a word...?) problem.

Mobilization and execution are the deciding factors of a war RP. But the result is another thing...

Players get to dictate their own results, therefore being able to cling to any real position for any extended period of time... I was auctually looking for a war mod such as yourself to decide the results of an engagement... :confused:


For intance: My forces of 150,000 attack UE's force of 25,000 men. I attack, he reports casuilties of 1,000 men, and their mood being good. Excited. or some other idealisic mood.

Speaking of which, mood reflects entirely on how 'green' or experienced the troops are. 'Green' troops are eager on the attack but prone to bolting, veterens less likly to run, but perhaps not as bold as the 'green' troops when it comes to the attack.

20 attacks later, and its all a big mess. UE claims that he has only lost half of his men because they are on the defencive, while my attack force is either cowed, partially destroied, or in battle condition... because I decide my own losses..

IMO, that is utter nonsence. What is the purpose of the war mod then? TO refree and say "Mkay fellows. Here are the rules. And if you start bickering, I will make a few remarks."

Any one else's thoughts? What about TG6R's opinion?


No offence ALM. Just wondering if anyone else shares my opinion regarding War Mod's roles.

I have a few questions:

What does "sic" stand for.

And what should I do now? I am sort of lost as to what to do besides work on my factbook. I am still confused on the whole military thing, and I don't know what RP's to get involved with, nor which alliance to join, etc.

I guess I am just looking for someone to hold my hand through the first parts of this =P

Recolitus: SIC = Secret In-Character, which means secret stuff like spies, secret meetings, covert stuff, schemes, etc. which the other player may know OOC'ly, but not IC'ly.

For example...

RP set in Area 51 = Secret IC / SIC
A mysterious project out in the boondocks = SIC
An hush-hush alliance setting up = SIC

And so on.

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Vineyard, here's my opinion on what a war mod's responibility should be.

1. The war mod determines losses for both sides, instead of players posting losses.
2. He takes into account the tactics and strategy of both sides.
3. He posts losses for a round of combat (lets say 1 round = 3 months of fighting)

If the mod's posting is in serious doubt or "Huh, what the hell?" moment, he should be able to explain in general why and how the thing happened the way it did so to avoid endless bickering and whining. For example, if a WW-2 era Sherman tank manages to destroy a modern Leopold-II tank, or a F-4 Phantom manages to defeat a MiG-31 in a dogfight, stuff like that.

I also have some questions about budgets. For which budgets do I use the ratio? Also I was looking at Alif Laam Miim's Factbook, and he has his ministries, does he make up those numbers or are they derived from something? I am just really lost on what is mathematically equated, what is from Real Life numbers or objects, and what is made up..... Sorry for being such high-drag and low-speed

Tinsey (Is that a word...?) problem.

Mobilization and execution are the deciding factors of a war RP. But the result is another thing...

Players get to dictate their own results, therefore being able to cling to any real position for any extended period of time... I was auctually looking for a war mod such as yourself to decide the results of an engagement... :confused:


For intance: My forces of 150,000 attack UE's force of 25,000 men. I attack, he reports casuilties of 1,000 men, and their mood being good. Excited. or some other idealisic mood.

Speaking of which, mood reflects entirely on how 'green' or experienced the troops are. 'Green' troops are eager on the attack but prone to bolting, veterens less likly to run, but perhaps not as bold as the 'green' troops when it comes to the attack.

20 attacks later, and its all a big mess. UE claims that he has only lost half of his men because they are on the defencive, while my attack force is either cowed, partially destroied, or in battle condition... because I decide my own losses..

IMO, that is utter nonsence. What is the purpose of the war mod then? TO refree and say "Mkay fellows. Here are the rules. And if you start bickering, I will make a few remarks."

Any one else's thoughts? What about TG6R's opinion?


No offence ALM. Just wondering if anyone else shares my opinion regarding War Mod's roles.

Well, my impression of a war mod is to make sure that things are all okay and nicely done. If you guys want me to deal out the results, I'll do that too [although I'm at a loss for any uniform method to deciding results other than common sense... I can guarantee that it won't be by the dice...] - bearing in mind that it will take time for me to analyse any kind of attack execution, which means that I'll also need the attack and the defense's reply to the attack [attack + defense = battle :D]. As far as Sharina's concern, I would say that it is possible to shoot down stealth aircraft, if they are being misused or the opposition poses a really good defensive, so going by stats books isn't necessarily the whole truth, considering modern war is particularly a war of maneuver and support [among many other things...]. Tech does not necessarily win the battle, and while I am not always clearly informed of every particular matter in every particular instance, I make an effort to learn [one reason why posting ORBATS and plans are good :D - it's evidence and clear details]. Of course, I'm not certain if you even want me to decide the result - so as far as what you guys expect from a war mod, tell me and I'll do that exactly. My only requests as such are those three declarations in my earlier post, and we'll be fine.

Speaking of which, once you guys feel that the war is going to go on, make an ooc thread where we can monitor it better without crowding this thread.

I have a few questions:

What does "sic" stand for.

And what should I do now? I am sort of lost as to what to do besides work on my factbook. I am still confused on the whole military thing, and I don't know what RP's to get involved with, nor which alliance to join, etc.

I guess I am just looking for someone to hold my hand through the first parts of this =P

I am not one typically to shy away from this, but I am particularly busy, so I'd rather not take your hand because I might forget and lose you somewhere the on the Mall or on 23rd Street - and I don't want to have to compile a police search report to find you again :D. But just to clarify a few quick points [unless someone else beats me to it...]

SIC = a number of things, depending on your interpretation:

secret in-character [otherwise secret]
special in-character [similar to secret]
others of which I have little time to recollect...


As far as military matters go, Sel Appa made some military declarations, so I would strongly urge you to consider using them. Of course, he did mention selling a lot of the older equipment for new arms - but I don't think that the plan ever materialized. Kopparbergs is always around to help with that, although he might also be in a time crunch with RL.

If you need help with a factbook, I offer my own as an example (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492189) for a somewhat extended version of a good factbook. And as always, there's a long list of factbooks available for all to see on the OOC/IC Reference Thread under D/N Factbooks. The general idea of a factbook is to provide basic details about the government, economy, military, and demographics of your country, as well as the more critical information about who are the key players in your government and what's your country like. If you've got somewhat extended details on those characters, it's good enough for EV purposes [what you have on your factbook thread is sufficient for diplomatic and military details on EV, but economically, you will need to work on getting it calculated, with which Kopparbergs will also likely gladly offer help. Of course, if I can sometime market my budget calculator, perhaps we'd have a grand ball of sorts :D in terms of keeping a uniform and easy budgeting mechanism. But that's for another day. If you wish to calculate on your own volition and our own mental capacity , the equation is on the FAQ, on the Map Thread.

As far as RPs, military alliances, etc... that's your own choice. As long as it's realistic and perhaps more importantly beneficial for your own government ad people, you shsould participate in RPs. Of course, there's also the option to begin your own RPs, although bear in mind that military conquests never go well internationally [especially in EV] without proper casus bellum [[I]cause for war - in the olde Latine tongue]. Alliances are pretty much up to up. There's FOAM, EATO, and RSA [I'm a member of the RSA, which is more a regional Middle East alliance - don't know much about the others; I suppose that they can run their own recruitment show if they want to do so...] - and there's the ever beloved option to just stay out or craft bilateral alliances [I prefer a combination of the sort, depending on the region, the relevance, and the need], but as alliances are all part of diplomacy, I'm leaving that to you. I can offer advice about what I would do in your situation, but I'll pass that offer for a more concealed setting [i.e. TGs or email...].

I hope that this gives you enough of a kickstart to jump back into the fray until someone can generously lend more time to help you get into. I'll have to admit - for a novice, you're particularly mature and sensible, which is something that NS clearly lacks at times [if not always...].


In general, if I'm missing something, please let me know, because I'm in an on-off mood for the moment until next week... [tests and finals, aie...]

Minor correction, ALM.

EATO no longer exists per-se, considering it is now only comprised of RUN and Military Command. The other major component of EATO, Dweladelfina, is gone. EATO could be considered merely as an alliance between RUN and Military Command at this time, instead of alliance "blocs" like FOAM and RSA.

Minor correction, ALM.

EATO no longer exists per-se, considering it is now only comprised of RUN and Military Command. The other major component of EATO, Dweladelfina, is gone. EATO could be considered merely as an alliance between RUN and Military Command at this time, instead of alliance "blocs" like FOAM and RSA.

There are other members of EATO so don't say something that is not ture. Make sure that you have all the facts first. Why don't you look at the thread that says how is in the alliance.

Minor correction, ALM.

EATO no longer exists per-se, considering it is now only comprised of RUN and Military Command. The other major component of EATO, Dweladelfina, is gone. EATO could be considered merely as an alliance between RUN and Military Command at this time, instead of alliance "blocs" like FOAM and RSA.

Welllllll... a lot of the former constituents of EATO disappeared for various reasons [most notably DP, but Azaha is currently in absentia, and Moorington just moved from Hong Kong to Turkey, still pending...] - as far as I can say legitimately, EATO is only an alliance by name, not that it is truly representative of what it says...

There are other members of EATO so don't say something that is not ture. Make sure that you have all the facts first. Why don't you look at the thread that says how is in the alliance.

The EATO thread doesn't have a list of members in the first post as far as I know, so I skimmed through the thread and discovered EATO was mainly comprised of MC, RUN, and DP.

The EATO thread doesn't have a list of members in the first post as far as I know, so I skimmed through the thread and discovered EATO was mainly comprised of MC, RUN, and DP.

The main point is that it's still a treaty organization [hence, the TO], and it's open perhaps to other people. It's not really Euro-American anymore [it's more EurAsian, with Azaha, but he's not here right now...], but nonetheless, it doesn't boast a large constituency [as do the other major alliances - Sharina, P&S, and Warta Endor in FOAM [anyone else?]; Kopparbergs, Granate, Vineyard, and moi in RSA].

And yeah, I'd like to know if I was detailed in my description of what I would do as war mod before the sleep hour hits me to sleep.

The main point is that it's still a treaty organization [hence, the TO], and it's open perhaps to other people. It's not really Euro-American anymore [it's more EurAsian, with Azaha, but he's not here right now...], but nonetheless, it doesn't boast a large constituency [as do the other major alliances - Sharina, P&S, and Warta Endor in FOAM [anyone else?]; Kopparbergs, Granate, Vineyard, and moi in RSA].

And yeah, I'd like to know if I was detailed in my description of what I would do as war mod before the sleep hour hits me to sleep.

I understand that. Its just that the EATO page didn't have a list of its members, forcing me to wade through the entire EATO thread to find out its 3 major members. If EATO had posted its member list, then players like myself would not have any misunderstandings or misconceptions (mainly from insufficient or the absence of needed information).

This still leaves the problem on *HOW* the moderator will determine losses on both sides. Will the moderator look up unit stats, compare them, and say "This does better than that, so it wins."? Or will the moderator use rolling dice like in board games or Dunegons+Dragons games? Or something else altogether?

My concern is that some players may wish to include battle strategies, tactics, or do things like surprise attacks or such. Will this be accounted for, or ignored?

Also, if a player disagrees with the moderator's ruling, I feel the player should be given a chance to debate his case *ONLY* if the case has merit, or if the player has substantial evidence to support his case (like research into terrain, equipment strengths / weaknesses, etc.) that the moderator may not be aware of. For example, how many people are explicitly aware of terrain in, say, Madascagar? Or Mali? Or Borneo? That kind of thing.

Tactics and any type of strategy should not be ignored. As to the RPing of losses. My opinion is that the player should decided that, but it should be in agreement with the other party. Truthfully, personally I've read a lot of war RPies and in my opinion RPing detailed losses does in most cases subtract from the RP. RPing exact losses should in my opinion only be done in certain cases. I will use Vineyard's, example below.

Next, I agree on the debate cause. Vineyard or ALM or another player might bring something to my attention I did not know about or I might bring something to their attention. So, I agree with you their Sharina. As to the terrain of those countries, well I have a few advantages over others. However, I mainly use Wikipedia to look up the Geography of said countries, something others can do as well. So, that at least gives me a basic idea. The advantage I have is that, I have a flight Simulator and it allows me to fly over those countries and see for myself how a certain type of terrain looks. Note: The Sim is not exact, but it gives you a pretty general idea of what type of terrain said country has. I did it with all those Caribbean Islands and Madagascar. So, it was an eye opener and allowed me to get a good visual of what said terrain looked like.

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Tinsey (Is that a word...?) problem.

Mobilization and execution are the deciding factors of a war RP. But the result is another thing...

Players get to dictate their own results, therefore being able to cling to any real position for any extended period of time... I was auctually looking for a war mod such as yourself to decide the results of an engagement... :confused:

For intance: My forces of 150,000 attack UE's force of 25,000 men. I attack, he reports casuilties of 1,000 men, and their mood being good. Excited. or some other idealisic mood.

Speaking of which, mood reflects entirely on how 'green' or experienced the troops are. 'Green' troops are eager on the attack but prone to bolting, veterens less likly to run, but perhaps not as bold as the 'green' troops when it comes to the attack.

20 attacks later, and its all a big mess. UE claims that he has only lost half of his men because they are on the defencive, while my attack force is either cowed, partially destroied, or in battle condition... because I decide my own losses..

IMO, that is utter nonsence. What is the purpose of the war mod then? TO refree and say "Mkay fellows. Here are the rules. And if you start bickering, I will make a few remarks."

Any one else's thoughts? What about TG6R's opinion?


No offence ALM. Just wondering if anyone else shares my opinion regarding War Mod's roles.

From above: RPing exact losses should in my opinion only be done when one side RPies having a huge advantage. I will use Vineyard, example below.

When you say mood, I'm assuming you mean morale. As to your comment about morale and the boldness of troops. While, that statement is true it is not completely true. Example, in reply to green troops. I read an article once that the rate of green soldiers firing their weapons in combat the first time was around 10-20% (Note: I forgot the exact numbers). Most were to scared to do crap. Today, most Western Nations have solved that problem by intensive training programs. That is of course with an army of volunteers. If, countries start drafting left and right then of course the quality of those troops would decrease. By how much, would depend on many factors.

Statistic wise, your 150,000 troops would wipe the floor with my 25,000 troops with all things being equal. The greater force would always win. However, things are not always equal. Read enough Military History and about Battles between various sides like I have and it will all become clear. The only certain outcome is that one side will win. Just some of the Examples that would determine that battle your using. [What is the layout of the land, does the defender or the attacker hold the high ground? Is the attacker, attacking at multiple points or single ones? Does one side have Air Superiority or neither or both? Does one side have Artillery support or neither or both? What is the Experience of the forces fighting and what was their training. If they were trained for Urban warfare and now found themselves in mountain or jungle warfare something they were not exactly trained for, losses are going to be lower for the side that is better prepared. As to the Experience, have said units fought in other wars/battles or is this their first time into combat, this applies to all units (Groups, Corps, Divisions, Regiments so on). A good one I almost forget, weather and the season. Is it Mid-December and below freezing or Mid-August and a sweating 100 degrees outside. Weather is one of the most deciding factors on the outcome of battles, next to it is terrain (position of armies) followed by strength which is then followed by plan of attack or defense and finally morale (will of the army, people and/or country).

That should answer all your questions about the type of losses I would suffer. Should 150,000 troops attack 25,000 of mine. After, all those factors are addressed would it then become clear who the winner was.

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The EATO thread doesn't have a list of members in the first post as far as I know, so I skimmed through the thread and discovered EATO was mainly comprised of MC, RUN, and DP.

It does, you just must of missed it. Before, I show you were it was I would just like to state that the EATO alliance is a little out of date. Last time I updated it was a month or two before DP dropped out. So, I do plan on updating it to reflect the current changes in Earth V, when I have time of course.

Protocol to the European-American Treaty on the Accession of the Republic of India
Protocol to the European-American Treaty on the Accession of the Republic of Hong Kong-Below Article 14 is where I put who the members are that joined, the original members minus of course DP now is in the main text. It was just a little reading that was required. See Article 11, see sentence 3.

EATO alliance use to be a pretty big one. I think it had a total of 6-7 members. True, it has stank some, but new people join all the time and it could still grow.

It does, you just must of missed it. Before, I show you were it was I would just like to state that the EATO alliance is a little out of date. Last time I updated it was a month or two before DP dropped out. So, I do plan on updating it to reflect the current changes in Earth V, when I have time of course.

Protocol to the European-American Treaty on the Accession of the Republic of India
Protocol to the European-American Treaty on the Accession of the Republic of Hong Kong-Below Article 14 is where I put who the members are that joined, the original members minus of course DP now is in the main text. It was just a little reading that was required. See Article 11, see sentence 3.

EATO alliance use to be a pretty big one. I think it had a total of 6-7 members. True, it has stank some, but new people join all the time and it could still grow.

A personal [or perhaps bilateral] request - could you have a straightforward, "who's in - who's not" type of post, so people can readily acknowledge who's in and who's not.

A personal [or perhaps bilateral] request - could you have a straightforward, "who's in - who's not" type of post, so people can readily acknowledge who's in and who's not.

Sure, that's not a problem. When, I update the Alliance post I'll add that in.

Just posting here to say I am not dead yet. Other nation states things have taken over some of Earth V's time, but don't worry. I am still here, just in a slight isolationist ideal.

Transmission Origin: Pyongyang, North Korea

Last month in Ch'ongjin the Solarius Corporation using an old ballistic missile launched our first solar sail vehicle ( SSV-1) into orbit. Like a sailboat traveling with the wind, this vehicle doesn't need an engine. Pressure from the sun's photons, striking the sail's surface at various angles, boost its orbital velocity. Although still in its infancy this new technology has been tested and proven worthwhile. Now because of there success with SSV-1 Solarius has stepped up it's timetable for their first inner solar system cruiser. One day soon cruises among the inner planets of the solar system will be possible without ever needing to refuel.

Signed

Juno Gwon, President
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Transmission Origin: Pyongyang, North Korea

Yesterday Solarius announced plans for the SSR a solar sail robot that could diagnose and repair ailing satellites. These low cost self directing robots could be used to make repairs to instruments in orbit or even haul cargo to the moon. This new technology will one day become a new industry that North Korea can use to further boost our growing economy and provide other nations with orbiting satellites needing repair a more cost effective method to fix their equipment.

Signed

Juno Gwon, President
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I'm on for a short while, but as I read this, I was wondering from what sort of industry North Korea is building this technology. There is absolutely no possibility that North Korea has space tech this advanced, and I make a comment to our tech realism disclaimer - anything that is not available in the present time as a real tech is not available now. I recognize that some countries are developing the technology, and North Korea is not one of them.

SO... here's how we could make an arrangement for this:

1 - North Korea purchases or cooperates on technology from those states that currently have the developing tech [Russia, USA, or Japan basically].

2 - North Korea starts a completely new program.

3 - North Korea steals the technology.

In any circumstance, there is no posssibility to have North Korea actively sailing to new worlds, owing to the decrepit state of the North Korean economy:

example - your NS GDP per capita is $11,223 - North Korea has a population estimated at about 23 mil. Calculating that gives your country a GDP of about $250bil. Comparatively, that's larger than the RL DPRK GDP, but it's still no where near the possible capacity to have and maintain an effective space program.

Therefore, until I see credible proof that North Korea has both the technology and the economic capability to fund such a prospective project, this is unrealistic.

Vineyard, here's my opinion on what a war mod's responibility should be.

1. The war mod determines losses for both sides, instead of players posting losses.
2. He takes into account the tactics and strategy of both sides.
3. He posts losses for a round of combat (lets say 1 round = 3 months of fighting)

If the mod's posting is in serious doubt or "Huh, what the hell?" moment, he should be able to explain in general why and how the thing happened the way it did so to avoid endless bickering and whining. For example, if a WW-2 era Sherman tank manages to destroy a modern Leopold-II tank, or a F-4 Phantom manages to defeat a MiG-31 in a dogfight, stuff like that.
My view on this matter is essentially Sharina's view outlined in this post. The only modification I would make is for an appeal process if there is relevant, significant additional information that would increase a different result's probability if the moderator was aware of it at the time.

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I'm on for a short while, but as I read this, I was wondering from what sort of industry North Korea is building this technology. There is absolutely no possibility that North Korea has space tech this advanced, and I make a comment to our tech realism disclaimer - anything that is not available in the present time as a real tech is not available now. I recognize that some countries are developing the technology, and North Korea is not one of them.

SO... here's how we could make an arrangement for this:

1 - North Korea purchases or cooperates on technology from those states that currently have the developing tech [Russia, USA, or Japan basically].

2 - North Korea starts a completely new program.

3 - North Korea steals the technology.

In any circumstance, there is no posssibility to have North Korea actively sailing to new worlds, owing to the decrepit state of the North Korean economy:

example - your NS GDP per capita is $11,223 - North Korea has a population estimated at about 23 mil. Calculating that gives your country a GDP of about $250bil. Comparatively, that's larger than the RL DPRK GDP, but it's still no where near the possible capacity to have and maintain an effective space program.

Therefore, until I see credible proof that North Korea has both the technology and the economic capability to fund such a prospective project, this is unrealistic.

In Koramerica's defense...

1. He is a member of FOAM so he has access to FOAM technologies, which includes some space stuff from Sharina and Warta Endor.

2. He isn't a communist government as far as I know, as he has been RP'ing the emergence of a post-Kim Jong government (I assume Kim Jong is dead now in Earth V)

3. I believe realistic shifts in politics, budgets, economy, etc. should be accepted if RP'ed well. For example, if a person is playing the UK, and wants to turn UK communist and establish a KGB / Gestapo deal, plus vastly increase military spending (something akin to Hitler's increase of Nazi Germany's military assets and budgets in RL). The player RP's the transition well, realistically, plausibly, and covers multiple posts- he should be allowed to do this. This should encourage players to RP well, as it stands right now, stellar RP isn't exactly "rewarded" for the effort people put into it.

4. Sometimes the right issues to raise your NS stats don't come up for weeks, or even a month or two even if you have 2 issues a day. Plus, with NS issues, you have no way of knowing what choice will increase your "hidden" budget stats revealed in NSEconomy (Defense, Commerce, Education, Order, Enviroment, etc.), or increase GDP or economy or what have you. However, with roleplay, you are able to accurately and easily direct the direction you want your nation to go, without having to wait several RL months (if ever) for the right issues to come up.

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I'd really like to hear the thoughts of Earth V players on these points. I know the system we have isn't exactly perfect, but at the same time, I don't want to make things too complex (like Earth 2000's economy system = way complex), but not so easy where you can simply change your nation's stuff at a whim at Earth V (1 year, high defense spending, then next year, cut like 80% off defense spending to fund 80% boost in, say, education. Then the following year, instantly boost defense to 100% for a war, and so on.)

I was thinking of adopting a relatively simple economy system with the following concepts.

1. Multiply your current NSEconomy GDP by your Earth V population to get total budget.

2. Use the NSEconomy percentages for your budget as a starting point (Defense, commerce, education, Order, Enviroment, etc.).

3. The values may be changed, but ONLY if RP'ed out well, realistically, and plausibly.

4. Technology rules stay the same. Technology may be shared by allies- like if RUN allies with Braska, and shares RL European tech with Brazil, then Braska / Brazil can build European stuff.

Does this sound fair to everybody? Please let me know!

In Koramerica's defense...

1. He is a member of FOAM so he has access to FOAM technologies, which includes some space stuff from Sharina and Warta Endor.

2. He isn't a communist government as far as I know, as he has been RP'ing the emergence of a post-Kim Jong government (I assume Kim Jong is dead now in Earth V)

3. I believe realistic shifts in politics, budgets, economy, etc. should be accepted if RP'ed well. For example, if a person is playing the UK, and wants to turn UK communist and establish a KGB / Gestapo deal, plus vastly increase military spending (something akin to Hitler's increase of Nazi Germany's military assets and budgets in RL). The player RP's the transition well, realistically, plausibly, and covers multiple posts- he should be allowed to do this. This should encourage players to RP well, as it stands right now, stellar RP isn't exactly "rewarded" for the effort people put into it.

4. Sometimes the right issues to raise your NS stats don't come up for weeks, or even a month or two even if you have 2 issues a day. Plus, with NS issues, you have no way of knowing what choice will increase your "hidden" budget stats revealed in NSEconomy (Defense, Commerce, Education, Order, Enviroment, etc.), or increase GDP or economy or what have you. However, with roleplay, you are able to accurately and easily direct the direction you want your nation to go, without having to wait several RL months (if ever) for the right issues to come up.

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I'd really like to hear the thoughts of Earth V players on these points. I know the system we have isn't exactly perfect, but at the same time, I don't want to make things too complex (like Earth 2000's economy system = way complex), but not so easy where you can simply change your nation's stuff at a whim at Earth V (1 year, high defense spending, then next year, cut like 80% off defense spending to fund 80% boost in, say, education. Then the following year, instantly boost defense to 100% for a war, and so on.)

I was thinking of adopting a relatively simple economy system with the following concepts.

1. Multiply your current NSEconomy GDP by your Earth V population to get total budget.

2. Use the NSEconomy percentages for your budget as a starting point (Defense, commerce, education, Order, Enviroment, etc.).

3. The values may be changed, but ONLY if RP'ed out well, realistically, and plausibly.

4. Technology rules stay the same. Technology may be shared by allies- like if RUN allies with Braska, and shares RL European tech with Brazil, then Braska / Brazil can build European stuff.

Does this sound fair to everybody? Please let me know!

1 - Okay - it's explained.

2 - Communist of not, his economy isn't strong enough to support his plans - furthermore, I doubt that his industry would be ready in as much time as he has been here [at least not without substantial support from FOAM members to build a modern industry devoted strongly to a space program - it still requires a lot of resources; of course, the simplest answer is to say that FOAM supplies the majority of these again].

3 - As do I; but his NS economy still stands at a very low rate, and his population does not boast a large manpower base to devote a lot of national resources. I use NS as a base support for my economy stats, partially because I am that patient. Basically, with all of the industrial developments that I had begun, my country when it first joined Earth V had a GDP of around $10,000 [often under]. In the time interceding, I've managed to double it, which helps me go along to make newer industrial developments, to expand my economic base to the auxiliary states around the Emirate.

4 - I'd be inclined to wait, but if someone really deserves something, I'll just make a donation :D literally. Of course, I'm open to seeing how we can allow modest GDP adjustments to work out.



And just to be out and in front of the whole thing, I've already gotten a budget plan that readjusts the rates for the NS departments [partially because I don't have some of them...] and its details will be released in the public budget accounting that I will eventually find the time to compile and post for all to see and acknowledge that my money doesn't literally grow from a tree [it grows from a dead one that lived millions of years ago and rested in the earth until metamorphic forces changed it into coal... or oil... but mostly coal...]

1 - Okay - it's explained.

2 - Communist of not, his economy isn't strong enough to support his plans - furthermore, I doubt that his industry would be ready in as much time as he has been here [at least not without substantial support from FOAM members to build a modern industry devoted strongly to a space program - it still requires a lot of resources; of course, the simplest answer is to say that FOAM supplies the majority of these again].

3 - As do I; but his NS economy still stands at a very low rate, and his population does not boast a large manpower base to devote a lot of national resources. I use NS as a base support for my economy stats, partially because I am that patient. Basically, with all of the industrial developments that I had begun, my country when it first joined Earth V had a GDP of around $10,000 [often under]. In the time interceding, I've managed to double it, which helps me go along to make newer industrial developments, to expand my economic base to the auxiliary states around the Emirate.

4 - I'd be inclined to wait, but if someone really deserves something, I'll just make a donation :D literally. Of course, I'm open to seeing how we can allow modest GDP adjustments to work out.



And just to be out and in front of the whole thing, I've already gotten a budget plan that readjusts the rates for the NS departments [partially because I don't have some of them...] and its details will be released in the public budget accounting that I will eventually find the time to compile and post for all to see and acknowledge that my money doesn't literally grow from a tree [it grows from a dead one that lived millions of years ago and rested in the earth until metamorphic forces changed it into coal... or oil... but mostly coal...]

I understand where you're coming from, ALM. The thing is, some of us aren't that patient to wait 1, 2, 3, or more RL months of cycling through issues just to get +1% in military budget (and probably is worse for nations whose NS budgets have 0% defense like Koramerica). 0% defense should be changed through RP, at least.

Another thing- there's no set solution and "Know how to cheat issues to get exact boosts you want" for NS issues. However, you can RP your nation in Earth V investing more of its GDP into, say, Education after a major war, or Defense a few years before initating a major war. Those things happen in real life, and unlike NS, people in real life can say "Hey, I want nation X (America, Uk, Canada, whatever) to adopt this policy" and then the politicans get it done. In NS, its literally a "shoot in the dark".

Hence, my proposal to simplify the economic system to two core parts.

1. Multiply your current GDP on NSEconomy by your Earth V population to get total budget.

2. Use your NSEconomy % stats as a start when you first get into Earth V, and then change it GRADUALLY through good RP, as a real nation would evolve its budget in directions it *WANTS* instead of "crapshoot in the dark" that is NS Issues.

3. Tech + timeline + other Earth V stuff stays the same as before, though.

1 - Okay - it's explained.

2 - Communist of not, his economy isn't strong enough to support his plans - furthermore, I doubt that his industry would be ready in as much time as he has been here [at least not without substantial support from FOAM members to build a modern industry devoted strongly to a space program - it still requires a lot of resources; of course, the simplest answer is to say that FOAM supplies the majority of these again].

3 - As do I; but his NS economy still stands at a very low rate, and his population does not boast a large manpower base to devote a lot of national resources. I use NS as a base support for my economy stats, partially because I am that patient. Basically, with all of the industrial developments that I had begun, my country when it first joined Earth V had a GDP of around $10,000 [often under]. In the time interceding, I've managed to double it, which helps me go along to make newer industrial developments, to expand my economic base to the auxiliary states around the Emirate.

4 - I'd be inclined to wait, but if someone really deserves something, I'll just make a donation :D literally. Of course, I'm open to seeing how we can allow modest GDP adjustments to work out.



And just to be out and in front of the whole thing, I've already gotten a budget plan that readjusts the rates for the NS departments [partially because I don't have some of them...] and its details will be released in the public budget accounting that I will eventually find the time to compile and post for all to see and acknowledge that my money doesn't literally grow from a tree [it grows from a dead one that lived millions of years ago and rested in the earth until metamorphic forces changed it into coal... or oil... but mostly coal...]

I understand where you're coming from, ALM. The thing is, some of us aren't that patient to wait 1, 2, 3, or more RL months of cycling through issues just to get +1% in military budget (and probably is worse for nations whose NS budgets have 0% defense like Koramerica). 0% defense should be changed through RP, at least.

Another thing- there's no set solution and "Know how to cheat issues to get exact boosts you want" for NS issues. However, you can RP your nation in Earth V investing more of its GDP into, say, Education after a major war, or Defense a few years before initating a major war. Those things happen in real life, and unlike NS, people in real life can say "Hey, I want nation X (America, Uk, Canada, whatever) to adopt this policy" and then the politicans get it done. In NS, its literally a "shoot in the dark".

Hence, my proposal to simplify the economic system to two core parts.

1. Multiply your current GDP on NSEconomy by your Earth V population to get total budget.

2. Use your NSEconomy % stats as a start when you first get into Earth V, and then change it GRADUALLY through good RP, as a real nation would evolve its budget in directions it *WANTS* instead of "crapshoot in the dark" that is NS Issues.

3. Tech + timeline + other Earth V stuff stays the same as before, though.

I understand where you're coming from, ALM. The thing is, some of us aren't that patient to wait 1, 2, 3, or more RL months of cycling through issues just to get +1% in military budget (and probably is worse for nations whose NS budgets have 0% defense like Koramerica). 0% defense should be changed through RP, at least.

Another thing- there's no set solution and "Know how to cheat issues to get exact boosts you want" for NS issues. However, you can RP your nation in Earth V investing more of its GDP into, say, Education after a major war, or Defense a few years before initating a major war. Those things happen in real life, and unlike NS, people in real life can say "Hey, I want nation X (America, Uk, Canada, whatever) to adopt this policy" and then the politicans get it done. In NS, its literally a "shoot in the dark".

Hence, my proposal to simplify the economic system to two core parts.

1. Multiply your current GDP on NSEconomy by your Earth V population to get total budget.

2. Use your NSEconomy % stats as a start when you first get into Earth V, and then change it GRADUALLY through good RP, as a real nation would evolve its budget in directions it *WANTS* instead of "crapshoot in the dark" that is NS Issues.

3. Tech + timeline + other Earth V stuff stays the same as before, though.


I agree with you completely on the issue thing, but I think if we do allow people to RP budget changes, they need to alert a mod so they can check if its okay. I'm not accusing anyone, or saying they'll do it, but someone could right up a brilliant RP which dedicates 90% of their budget to defence. Now, that's fine by me, so long as they also RP the consequences.

If someone does have 90% defence budget, then their law and order would collapse (although the military could take over), and all other departments would be unable to function properly.

As for your simplified economy system, I think that's much better than the current one. People seem to be getting confused (new Earth-V members anyway) on how to sort their budgets.

That's my two cents.

I understand where you're coming from, ALM. The thing is, some of us aren't that patient to wait 1, 2, 3, or more RL months of cycling through issues just to get +1% in military budget (and probably is worse for nations whose NS budgets have 0% defense like Koramerica). 0% defense should be changed through RP, at least.

Another thing- there's no set solution and "Know how to cheat issues to get exact boosts you want" for NS issues. However, you can RP your nation in Earth V investing more of its GDP into, say, Education after a major war, or Defense a few years before initating a major war. Those things happen in real life, and unlike NS, people in real life can say "Hey, I want nation X (America, Uk, Canada, whatever) to adopt this policy" and then the politicans get it done. In NS, its literally a "shoot in the dark".

Hence, my proposal to simplify the economic system to two core parts.

1. Multiply your current GDP on NSEconomy by your Earth V population to get total budget.

2. Use your NSEconomy % stats as a start when you first get into Earth V, and then change it GRADUALLY through good RP, as a real nation would evolve its budget in directions it *WANTS* instead of "crapshoot in the dark" that is NS Issues.

3. Tech + timeline + other Earth V stuff stays the same as before, though.

Let me rephrase what I said in point #4 because I think that it's been misinterpreted:

I wouldn't put stuff on my budget if it isn't on my NS budget - but I'm willing to see it happen for other people. I'm perfectly satisfied with my budget, even if it isn't the strongest now or later - but I can understand that people with a 0% defense budget might want to make more lasting adjustments to their budget. In fact, I'm probably doing something on those lines [only because I don't have a ministry of healthcare, social equality, or social welfare] - so I don't think that we should be restrictive to adjustments - whatever their merit.

But as you say, stuff requiring immediate changes will require RPing. Otherwise, it's fine. I hope that I'm more clear this time, because I'm not really setting my opinions opposed to your own - I'm just a little more "sensitive" to them, and I'd prefer to see stuff in paper than by word of mouth; as far as I can care, I like hard evidence than soft evidence - and it takes a lot to make give a solid conviction for or against something if the facts are inconclusive.

OOC: Alif, have you respnded to the last reply on the CWAA-SADR thread? and while you're at it, do something on the WWII RP. Funny thing about that lol. I'm the Finnish and your the USSR lol. I have to defend my homeland from you, you maurauding Commie lol

oh another question...what happened to the random event generator? I was looking forward to it this week...

oh another question...what happened to the random event generator? I was looking forward to it this week...
Welcome to the Earth V Random Event Generator!

A random event will be generated...

The event is...:

Cold

The target nation is...:

Asian China

The severity is...:

Medium

I'd like to issue a review of the RP of Asian China once again. I have been contacted by Samtonia about a conflict of RP'ing. Samtonia is RP'ing a war and eventual annexation of Northeast China, while Asian China has apparently restarted a RP for it as well.

Samtonia's RP: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507530

Asian China's RP: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=500512&page=2

I am more inclined to agree with Samtonia, considering that he has been RP'ing in far more detail, and realistically in the past couple weeks (in RL). At the same time, Asian China has not RP'ed anything regarding Northeast China in 2 1/2 RL months. For evidence, look at Asian China's RP and the dates of the posts (note the last RP posts took place in September, then the huge 2 1/2 month gap until the RP posts from today).

Based on this, I'm inclined to grant Samtonia the right to continue RP of Northeast China and grant Northeast China to him to RP as he deems fit (no official claim or annexation until the RP is pretty much finished to be fair). Samtonia is apparently more serious and committed towards Northeastern China (RP'ing in detail and not go RP "MIA") as compared to Asian China.

Sorry guys, but I'm gonna have to leave EV. I've got a ton of work at the moment, and I'm having trouble even getting one post in a week. It just looks like I'm taking up quite a lot of prime land and not really doing a lot with it. I can ill afford time RPing on one earth, let alone two. It's been great fun, and it's a good RP. Sorry to leave.

Sometimes, more and more often, I feel that there are to many "large" nations in Earth-V, and to few smaller ones. Many EV-nations consists of five to ten RL nations (and sometimes ever more).

One example from my EV-neighborhood: The northern part of Africa consists of three EV-nations, compared to around 15 in RL. This is limiting the ability to RP with other countries as players in EV are controlling so many nations. The situation in Asia is similar to the situation in Africa. I think it would be really fun if there were, say 20 different nations in Africa to RP with.

I'm really glad that I didn't invade the rest of the West African countries when they were unclaimed. Now I'm having a new neighbor (Candistan) to RP with.

And I'm even more worried when a player leaves EV – then a large rat race begins where everybody wants to claim the abandoned countries. How should we get new players when there are no more unclaimed nations?

I'm not sure that it's more fun to RP as a big nation, and that's what it's all about – to have fun.

I admit that my nation is rather large, and I'm not going to claim more land. At least not big countries, maybe some island or similar.

I just thought that I must say this.

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Neuvo Rica: Maybe you can downsize your nation, and stay as a smaller nation here in Earth-V? With a smaller nation you don't feel the same preassure to participate in all and every RP. And I think there could be just as fun with a small nation. It would be fun to keep you in Earth-V!

1 - Okay - it's explained.

2 - Communist of not, his economy isn't strong enough to support his plans - furthermore, I doubt that his industry would be ready in as much time as he has been here [at least not without substantial support from FOAM members to build a modern industry devoted strongly to a space program - it still requires a lot of resources; of course, the simplest answer is to say that FOAM supplies the majority of these again].

3 - As do I; but his NS economy still stands at a very low rate, and his population does not boast a large manpower base to devote a lot of national resources. I use NS as a base support for my economy stats, partially because I am that patient. Basically, with all of the industrial developments that I had begun, my country when it first joined Earth V had a GDP of around $10,000 [often under]. In the time interceding, I've managed to double it, which helps me go along to make newer industrial developments, to expand my economic base to the auxiliary states around the Emirate.

4 - I'd be inclined to wait, but if someone really deserves something, I'll just make a donation :D literally. Of course, I'm open to seeing how we can allow modest GDP adjustments to work out.



And just to be out and in front of the whole thing, I've already gotten a budget plan that readjusts the rates for the NS departments [partially because I don't have some of them...] and its details will be released in the public budget accounting that I will eventually find the time to compile and post for all to see and acknowledge that my money doesn't literally grow from a tree [it grows from a dead one that lived millions of years ago and rested in the earth until metamorphic forces changed it into coal... or oil... but mostly coal...]


Heh heh I like that analogy for Black gold. :D

I concur. Why dont you just keep Texas (thats still relatively small, Relative being the key word considering the size of some of Earth Vs monstrous nations, Sharina and Alif Im looking at you....)

I think it would be a good idea to R.P various resistance movements with a particular pariticpant who would like to obtain that bit of land from an Imperialist nation (such as myself). (I.e Angolan, Mozambique, Madagascan liberation fronts, anyone?)

I will be more than happy to accept a new participant who wants to R.P. a resistance movement in my nation. (except South Africa and Namibia, as they are my foundin states, perhaps on negotiation I can change my mind.)

I believe nations like RUN would have very profound resistance movements due to the sheer Demographical, Geographical and Ethnic divisions that nation has due to its size and because it is a loose amalgamtion of nations spanning halfthe world into a haphazard republic. (Like my own admitedly but on an African scale.)


Current Resistance movements in South Africa at the moment:

BLA: Black Liberation Army.

Sometimes, more and more often, I feel that there are to many "large" nations in Earth-V, and to few smaller ones. Many EV-nations consists of five to ten RL nations (and sometimes ever more).

One example from my EV-neighborhood: The northern part of Africa consists of three EV-nations, compared to around 15 in RL. This is limiting the ability to RP with other countries as players in EV are controlling so many nations. The situation in Asia is similar to the situation in Africa. I think it would be really fun if there were, say 20 different nations in Africa to RP with.

I'm really glad that I didn't invade the rest of the West African countries when they were unclaimed. Now I'm having a new neighbor (Candistan) to RP with.

And I'm even more worried when a player leaves EV – then a large rat race begins where everybody wants to claim the abandoned countries. How should we get new players when there are no more unclaimed nations?

I'm not sure that it's more fun to RP as a big nation, and that's what it's all about – to have fun.

I admit that my nation is rather large, and I'm not going to claim more land. At least not big countries, maybe some island or similar.

I just thought that I must say this.

- - -

Neuvo Rica: Maybe you can downsize your nation, and stay as a smaller nation here in Earth-V? With a smaller nation you don't feel the same preassure to participate in all and every RP. And I think there could be just as fun with a small nation. It would be fun to keep you in Earth-V!

Should Neuvo Rica actually leave Earth V, I wish to decree that all of his land is frozen for claims until after the Americas situation is resolved. as new nations popping up in the middle of the Americas situation will only make it even more confusing OOC'ly, and make more unnecessary complications.

Once the situation is resolved either through war or peace, then Nuevo Rica's lands should be made open for claims, but the claims must be made with reasonable RP, just like any other "collapsed nations" former claims.

Wheres great Romeo?

A country has large has his shouldnt be all quite

come on Russia do something naughty:)

OOC: I agree with P & H. I miss Great Romeo.
And he's my most important ally! (Maybe because he's my only ally.)

As a member of the BS (Balkan Steel) Alliance, he is obligated to go to war with me.

He will be active. Very active in the upcomming war. ;)

I believe nations like RUN would have very profound resistance movements due to the sheer Demographical, Geographical and Ethnic divisions that nation has due to its size and because it is a loose amalgamtion of nations spanning halfthe world into a haphazard republic. (Like my own admitedly but on an African scale.)

True, resistance movements do exist, but my nation is not one, but many nations. Think of the UN if you must when you refer to the Republic. I'm loose basing it off of the UN, but only to certain things. So, it's not as loose as you assume. Best way to describe it would be this, the combining of the UN and all it's functions with that of an alliance like say NATO or FOAM with all it's functions. As, I told Sharina I'm going to try to give each nation a unique identity and maybe even create a little conflict between the various members within the Republic.

Note, I'm not saying you can't RP resistance movements in the countries I have claimed OCC. I'm just saying IC, it would be a little hard, but not impossible. These are very stable countries in real life and even more so now.

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Should Neuvo Rica actually leave Earth V, I wish to decree that all of his land is frozen for claims until after the Americas situation is resolved. as new nations popping up in the middle of the Americas situation will only make it even more confusing OOC'ly, and make more unnecessary complications.

Once the situation is resolved either through war or peace, then Nuevo Rica's lands should be made open for claims, but the claims must be made with reasonable RP, just like any other "collapsed nations" former claims.

I agree with that statement, I should be wrapping up my RP soon for America. So, Sharina- are you going to annex even more nations and leave even less for other players to join or are you going to allow the nations that are Neuvo Rica open?

I support assigning those nations an open status no matter what happens, even if other players invaded their invasion doesn't count. Let, other players have their chance to RP in the Americas. Hopefully, they will be more active then the nations they were proceeding.

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As a member of the BS (Balkan Steel) Alliance, he is obligated to go to war with me.

He will be active. Very active in the upcomming war. ;)

Oh, the joys of an alliance. Vineyard, I'm not opposing to him joining, but at the rate he gets on that war will never finish. :D

Unless, of course he plans to get active again very active again like Sharina did. Which, was nice finally to be able to interact with his nation.

Considering Great Romeo has one of the largest nations on earth he also has one of the largest obligations. when has russia been out of the news (whether good or bad) for years at a time?:p

Considering Great Romeo has one of the largest nations on earth he also has one of the largest obligations. when has russia been out of the news (whether good or bad) for years at a time?:p
During the Five Year Plans, at least to some extent. :p We're strengthening our control at the moment; we'll be involved (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12022491&postcount=1076) in the upcoming war and also will take care of our own insurgent problem in Chechenia in the next few weeks.

True, resistance movements do exist, but my nation is not one, but many nations. Think of the UN if you must when you refer to the Republic. I'm loose basing it off of the UN, but only to certain things. So, it's not as loose as you assume. Best way to describe it would be this, the combining of the UN and all it's functions with that of an alliance like say NATO or FOAM with all it's functions. As, I told Sharina I'm going to try to give each nation a unique identity and maybe even create a little conflict between the various members within the Republic.

Note, I'm not saying you can't RP resistance movements in the countries I have claimed OCC. I'm just saying IC, it would be a little hard, but not impossible. These are very stable countries in real life and even more so now.

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I agree with that statement, I should be wrapping up my RP soon for America. So, Sharina- are you going to annex even more nations and leave even less for other players to join or are you going to allow the nations that are Neuvo Rica open?

I support assigning those nations an open status no matter what happens, even if other players invaded their invasion doesn't count. Let, other players have their chance to RP in the Americas. Hopefully, they will be more active then the nations they were proceeding.

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Oh, the joys of an alliance. Vineyard, I'm not opposing to him joining, but at the rate he gets on that war will never finish. :D

Unless, of course he plans to get active again very active again like Sharina did. Which, was nice finally to be able to interact with his nation.

I do have plans for Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana. As you may or may not recall, when Military Command sold these states to the CSA, I RP'ed sending in covert stuff to stir up anti-slavery and anti-black-oppression in these states in hopes of creating trouble within these states. With the fall of the CSA, these "rebellious elements" funded by Sharina should be having an effect within these three states.

Other than that, everything else is fair game. However, if Europeans or other non-Americans try to claim those American states, expect another war with Sharina. ;)

Great. I go from being a Member of Military Command to a CSA Citizen to a Sharinian. Meh. Indiana has switched hands too much.

sorry to say, but if you guys want to start a war in the next three weeks, I'm going to have to pass on it. RL has caught up to me, and finals are going to rape me if I don't spend less time on NS [no offense intended, but I'm serious about the severity of this situation...]. I'll still be available on AIM et al., but I'm going to be spending a lot of time studying until my finals are all over. As such, I'm hoping that you guys will be alright without me for a long time. I'll still be updating auxiliary stuff - like the map and claims - whenever time seems to avail me. But unless a straight post comes out, the Emirate is technically in hiberate mode, to secure all of its domestic policies. Any IC things started finished will not be started until after I can finish them afterwards.

And I only state this in the event that I cannot serve out my tenure - Kopparbergs is now icly responsible for the self-defense of the Emirate until my full return to EV. So if you want to attack me, you'll deal through Kopparbergs.

And for all of this grave prophesizing, I shall return. Rest assured, I will not let something so good crumble to the ground because of RL.

In the meantime, I bid you all good luck with this upcoming war, and I hope that you will wish me luck with my exams [I might need it...]




On an ooc side-note, I'm crushed to see the CSA leave, but I hope that he will consider returning as the CSA. I'm still trying to figure out the maps...

I do have plans for Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana. As you may or may not recall, when Military Command sold these states to the CSA, I RP'ed sending in covert stuff to stir up anti-slavery and anti-black-oppression in these states in hopes of creating trouble within these states. With the fall of the CSA, these "rebellious elements" funded by Sharina should be having an effect within these three states.

Other than that, everything else is fair game. However, if Europeans or other non-Americans try to claim those American states, expect another war with Sharina. ;)
We have people like you here. We call them s***stirrers. :p Anyway,I'm planing an RP soon enough, but my computer's been taken away to get fixed, so it may be a while yet before I can get on started. In the meantime though...

Just so the mods know.

War has begun.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12042833&postcount=66

As per request from Kopps redirected from the Main Thread.

Ooc: Its plenty clear.

But seriously flawed.

You constantly cite WWII, so lets use that as an example.

During the battle of Batan, there was a unit called 'The Philipine Scouts', the elite core of the Philiine army under US command.

Anyhow, they were once holding a position in the Batan peninsula, but their position had a flaw. It was next to a sugar cane feild.

No problem, you just cut it down, right?

Well, yes. And no.

If they removed it, it would give away their position but allow them to fight with greater effect, while if they didnt remove it, it would hamper their capibilities but would give them the chance to suprise their enemy.

Which leads me to my next point. You cannot set up a Machine-gun nest, and expect it to be prefectly hidden while preforming its normal capibilities. This is the proverbial 'scale' of battle. You have to weigh the pros and cons.

-On the Defence, clearing land: reveals your position, but allows you a feild of fire, where you can easily fend off assults.

-On the Defence, uncleared land: In this example, in the jungles of Africa, an uncleared land instance may be a machine gun behind a fallen tree, behind some bushes, etc. It severely limits its capibilities to fend off an assult, as their line of shght is obscured, the enemy's is as well. A enemy pops out from behind a tree 100 yards away. Game over. Even if the defending force manages to gun him down, there are obsticles, a ton of men, and some nice cover up to your position. You may have suprised them, but your position has been comprimised under tight circumstances.

At any rate, the Philipinos ended up leaving it (The Sugar Cane feild) intact, because they did not want to reveal their position to ariel recon. But somehow the Japanese still knew where they were. Why?

Recon Planes were still able to pick them out. Binoculars and ground recon out of the question, the best form of recon by anyone in a jungle enviornment is through either a sky-eye (Plane or Satilite) or through Infantry on the ground.

Anyhow, it ended disasterously for the Philipine Scouts, despite the fact that they successfully repelled the attack from the sugar canes.

So it brings me back to your previous point, regarding fog of war. True, Fog of war exists, that is a given. But only to a limited extent. There is indefinate fog of war, and limited fog of war. Indefinate whereas one cannot predict another's movements, limited being physical positions at the present. Those can be found easily.

You used the example of an outpost as opposed to a full-line. Probing motions with Platoons or Armor can easily determine the constituents of the emey force. If it is a mere nest, it MAY catch a few of my guys off guard, depending on weather or not it is hidden, as I mentioned above.

But this is what interests me, and leads me to question if you know anything about war strategy.

"So, your example of attacker-defender-attacker simply put is wrong. Both sides will be reacting at the same time so a better simple analog would be attacker/defender."

Reacting at the same time, sure. If they were feild armies, moving around in the feild. But that also means that they will not only be easily spotable (Large movements through a forest=detectable), but as vulnerable as the attackors. The defender, in this case, skewers their defencive 'advantage' in favor of liquidity.

But you cannot have an entrenched/prepared defencive position and expect to move it around. That just doesn't work. Sure, you can move your reserve divisions around to reinforce critical points/points under attack, but the front line's manewverability is limited at best. I made the mistake of assuming that you prepared defences. I was obviously wrong. Now, it is simply a matter of finding the enemy, moving in, and engaging.


From your viewpoint, you could argue the act of finding your troops, and claim it hard, if not impossible.

Tell me, do your troops eat? Supply lines have to go either by road or by air. Both are detectable to a satilite or an ariel recon plane.

Tell me, Have your troops prepared positions? You can claim that is SIC, but it effects as to weather or not I see their positions. Eyes in the Sky. Its what the Empire uses.

If your troops have prepared positions, we can find them. Swtahs of Cleared land, Machine gun nests, etc. If they have not prepared defences, and are being still, we can still find them through supply lines. This is not Age of Empires, or Rise of Nations, where you take a force, and move around indefinately without worrying about as to weather or not they cover their tracks, dont burn fires, eat, sleep, drink, effect the wildlife (Flocks of birds scatter when people approach), etc. This is realism.


So you use outposts, a series of small positions scattered along your front?

I'm glad it was clear, that's good to know. Umm ok, I read through you post and you didn't provide any evidence or any counter points to my agreement on attacker/defender. If, it's flawed you need to not only prove it's flawed. Something you didn't do, but also provided a better example. Something you also didn't do. You just cited some weird things that had nothing at all to do with my statement. So here, I repeat it as it looks like you missed it.

War's follow not set rules and each sides going to react to it differently. The defender is not always going to be the defender and the attacker is not always going to be the attacker. This is what I meant by attacker/defender. Sometimes, neither will be the attacker or defender. A stalemate could develop in which both become the defender or both become neutral in a sense.

In this case no, I wasn't specify citing World War II. I was using a general example and using many sources from my knowledge of wars. Yes, world war II was one, but so was World War I, Vietnam, Persian Gulf war so on and so on. If, you thought I was citing World War II specify that is understandable as that's the war I've mostly studied and funny you should mention about the Battle of Bataan because I have been reading about the Fall of the Philippines so I'm very familiar with the Sugarcane along with other aspects of it. So, they is probably where the World War II sources came from, which can be helped as it's still fresh in my mind. However, this time I left out any reference to any specify war, as I just wanted to use a basic general example and nothing specify. [Enter Sarcasm]Damn, I was so close. I made it past 1 sentence, before you brought up World War 2.[End Sarcasm] :D

Given the right terrain and good camouflage, you could indeed make a Machine Gun nest perfectly hidden while at the same time able to perform it's ability perfectly. I'm not surprised you didn't know that, as you even got the leaving the Sugarcane thing wrong. For the record they abandoned it not because of Aerial Recon, but because at the time the US army and the Philippine Army were conducting a fighting withdraw into the Bataan Peninsula. The Japanese knew they were their because they had engage in battle in the Sugarcane not long ago. Until, they had made contact with the enemy they didn't know they were there.

Best form of recon is through military intelligence. You've never read about Jungle warfare have you? If the tree canopy is think enough even, your precious satellites won't do you much good.

It's good I've been reading about the Fall of the Philippines, now I'll be able to correct you. Your thanks for this daily lessen in military history is not required. Let's see, the Philippine Scouts had been engaged in battle for the better part of a week during a fighting withdraw into Bataan and had come out for the most part intact while at the same time slowing down the Japanese and inflicting heavy losses on them. [Enter Sarcasm]HMMM, yeah that sure sounds bad to me. Those poor Philippine Scouts.[End Sarcasm] :rolleyes:

Oh no, Fog of War is not limited. The Fog of War is a very complex thing and many military strategists have tried to break it down to what you just tried to do. Many it simple and with limits. Sadly, it doesn't work that way. The Fog of War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_of_war).

Sure, they can easily determine the constituents of the enemy force if they have good military intelligence. What if they don't? All they know is that they ran into an enemy force and now have to guess as to it's strength and intentions. A few is to general, a few as in less then a hundred, a few hundred, a few thousand? A few what?

[Enter Sarcasm] Nope, I don't know nothing about war strategy, but I do know about .[End Sarcasm] At least, you answered my question already on that one. :D

I guess your not aware that Regiments, Battalions, Companies and Platoons are capable of independent movement. With a Battalion being the smallest unit capable of independent operations. Shame.

At least you got the next part right. I love the use of the oxymoron too. "But you cannot have an entrenched/prepared defensive position and expect to move it around. That just doesn't work." That's a good quote, expecting a prepared position to move already. Well, no duh you can't expect it to move around. If, your going to conduct offensive operations why set up a prepared defensive. That's just a waste of time.

Defending on the factors, finding troops can be hard to easy. Sense, were just RPing and have the gift of God. It will be easy. And no, I wasn't being sarcastic.

Nope, they don't eat as they don't exist. If, they did exist in real life as were assuming they do in this RP. Yep, they eat, drink, shit, sleep. Everything normal humans do in a given day. Your forgot water, why? Not always detectable, but as I said we have the gift of God so were all knowing where everything is. [Enter Sarcasm]Boy, I bet the men and women working in Pentagon would love to know where the Iraqi Insurgents are getting a lot their supplies. To bad, they can't RP having a Satellite or plane find all of it suddenly. That, would be a crying shame and not realistic.[End Sarcasm]

Finally last part, I have only began to decide what kind of defense/attack plan the nations in question would use. When, I'm ready and the thread get's started you know what my plans are. However, as I said before I was using those examples in general and not in reference to what I was going to do or what other players are going to do or what nations at war have done. It was just a general example.

Yes, this is realism and there are ways to hide and deceive your enemy. I plan to make full use of them, as any armed force that doesn't is just asking to have their ass kicked. Eyes in the sky you say, well by using Military camouflage I can deceive those Eyes in the Sky. Just, but one example. As I said, wars take on a life of their own and follow no strict rules. I'm allowed to use any and all means at my disposal, as are you.

Don't expect your war to be an easy conquest or me a push over. I have a few tricks up my sleeves, which you will be seeing.

Im bringing our mini debate from America's here to aviod clutter and to allow others to view it.

I dont want a big argument so ill present my case and wait for a rebuttal.

I simply dont see how you can RP nations you have no claim to. You have no troops in said countries, and our currently involved in war within the same region.

Plus I am not annexing anything. Im working with the said governments to bolster their defences as not to be overran by invading armies during this war. I cant sit back and watch my previous workings go to waste.

sorry to say, but if you guys want to start a war in the next three weeks, I'm going to have to pass on it. RL has caught up to me, and finals are going to rape me if I don't spend less time on NS
And I only state this in the event that I cannot serve out my tenure - Kopparbergs is now icly responsible for the self-defense of the Emirate until my full return to EV. So if you want to attack me, you'll deal through Kopparbergs.

Good luck with the exams, Alif!

I'm confirming that I'm icly responsible for the self-defense of the Emirate, but I both think and hope that I don't need to do anything. However, the Emirate will be here for your return, just before christmas.

Few quick points UE:

Infared. Think a little drape of camoflague or a few leaves can mask/remove heat being emitted by motors, etc? And assuming that you do indeed have satilites (Despite the fact that you have not even RPed the existance of a space program), you could probably see it as well. Damn shame you didn't find satilites worth the effort though.

And supply. You utilized a little tase-tless sarcasm to emphasize your point that Supply lines are not detectable. That is not true. But the Iraqi insurgency is a citizen-based gurilla force. They get their food from the market, just like every one else.

"So my army can do the same!"

No, they cannot. Well, they COULD to a very limited extent, but they are not one with the populace. Not yet at any rate.

As I read over this again and again, I think you're actually being serious. You think fog of war is undefinable? You think fog of war is indefinate?

Wake up and smell the age.

This is not WWI, WW2, etc etc etc. This is the modern age, where live satilite feeds are streamed into the feild, commanders watch enemy formations live... I dont need to elaborate, do I?

And Human Intelegence is the least reliable source of information. Exagerations, inaccuracies, mis-constrewed distances, etc. That and they can only see the 'surface' of a military unit. They can see the men, guesstimate the number, and find their forward positions. But they cannot report positions live (And if they were, they could be easily found.) Such as the German Spies in Britain during your beloved WW2. Know why they were found? You tell me, after you poke around a bit on the internet, then claim expertise. Do I have to cite more examples?

And of course I know about the smaller units of the army. But they are not applicable in such an enviornment. perhaps on a smaller scale, but we have not exactly degenerated into a 'small units' war.

"Yea, I can use a bunch of neat tricks which you cant see to hide in the forests, etc etc etc."

Thats fine, and you certainly can. But if you really expect to fight a 'small unit' war in remote terrain, you will find yourself sorely disappointed. Infared (Given to all units, see my 'units' in my military decs..) kinda ignores most foliage. That, and unlike in Veitnam, my soldiers could honestly care less what happens to the civilians. A force cannot disperse to villages and then emerge to strike. For once they do, the villages in the area will be put to the sword.

Now, I touched something there. The only real place where an army can 'hide' is either underground, or amungst a populace. If it is amungst a populace, you have violated the Geneva Convention. ("But you just said you would massacare innocent people!" Yes, yes I did. If your soldiers do resort to tactics such as those.) Otherwise, they should be detectable. In a city setting, such as what is going on in Iraq, an army can disperse and conduct gurilla tactics on an occupying army.


Ill post more later.

A few quick points as much of what you said has already been addressed.

"Infrared. Think a little drape of camouflage or a few leaves can mask/remove heat being emitted by motors, etc"

1. No, but for every technology there are advantages and disadvantages. There is also the ability by that same technology to be negated. Infrared, Satellites, Automobiles. If, it exist's their exist's the possibility of a counter to that technology. You would be wise to remember that.

As I read over this again and again, I think you're actually being serious. You think fog of war is undefinable? You think fog of war is indefinite?

Wake up and smell the age.

This is not WWI, WW2, etc etc. This is the modern age, where live satellite feeds are streamed into the field, commanders watch enemy formations live... I don’t need to elaborate, do I?

2. I don't think it's undefinable, but I do think it can be at times indefinite. War's are never fought with the up most clarity. Which is why it's called the Fog of War. Fog of War-The fog of war is a term used to describe the level of ambiguity in situational awareness experienced by participants in military operations. The term seeks to capture the uncertainty regarding own capability, adversary capability and adversary intent during an engagement, operation or campaign./Ambiguity: Noun-doubtfulness or uncertainty in meaning or intention, the condition of admitting more then one meaning, Syn... 1. Vagueness 2. Equivocation That agrees with the term indefinite. If your still confused about the Fog of War after this your on your own.
This is indeed the Modern Age and yet the Fog of War still exists. So, yes you do need to elaborate as military commanders have been doing that for the past 2,000 years in trying to limit the Fog of War.

3. You really misquoted me a lot and you need to go reread my post nice and slow.

4. Now look who's using tasteless Sarcasm. "My beloved WW2" Hey, if you want a history lessen. I'll be more then glad to give you a lessen as you seem to quote sources and then get them wrong. If, your going to use a subject as an example. You first might want to know about it. I guess that's too much to ask for. People actually knowing about something before sounding off on it.

Hey guys..... I am sort of lost at the moment as to what I should do..... I tried setting up a meeting with Great Romeo.... but he never answered.. And I am just not sure where to go from now? I haven't really done anything.

Hey guys..... I am sort of lost at the moment as to what I should do..... I tried setting up a meeting with Great Romeo.... but he never answered.. And I am just not sure where to go from now? I haven't really done anything.
Where? I never saw it...

Oh, I am really sorry for falsely accusing you. I made it a seperate thread and I think that is where it got lost. I will link you though. In the future where should I make posts such as these?


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread....5#post12033035

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509940

Me and Recolitus' Conference.

Well, seeing as how both me and GR are in Kiev at roughly the same time, why don't we make the conference for three? Yes, no?

I am fine with that

Would need GR's approval of course.

I made it a seperate thread and I think that is where it got lost. I will link you though. In the future where should I make posts such as these?

Alif Laam Miim has made a good thread, with links to all Earth-V threads (or it's supposed to be all, but it's up to us to announce them in his thread). Post a link to new threads here:

Earth V - Relevant IC/OOC/RP Threads (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501393)

And it's really good to see you active, good work!

Alif Laam Miim has made a good thread, with links to all Earth-V threads (or it's supposed to be all, but it's up to us to announce them in his thread). Post a link to new threads here:

Earth V - Relevant IC/OOC/RP Threads (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501393)

And it's really good to see you active, good work!

Thank you for speaking in my defense :D!

I'm only on to get the reference thread stuff up and running - no point making you wait for me...


As far as what I've read, I hear that the war has officially started - I strongly, vehemently, persuasively, emphatically, ecstatically, insistently, pressingly urge you all to make an OOC thread for the War. If anything, I'll make it now if I'm not persuaded against doing it.

I would like to join.

Atocian Republic.

War has begun.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12042833&postcount=66

Directed towards Vineyard and Sharina. Sorry, to nitpick but I would just like these two minor issues addressed please.

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And with that, the carrier’s deck came to life, as Eurofighters streaked off of the deck and into the night. A portion of the deck then disappeared, only to re-appear with more Eurofighters. Within minutes there were 24 Typhoon Eurofighters in the night’s sky

If, by Carrier you mean the Cavour Aircraft Carrier. Then sorry to say, but your wrong. Not mentioning that you never RPed designing the Eurofighters for Carrier Operations which I’m willing to ignore in the interest of moving along.

The Cavour Aircraft Carrier was not designed for large fighter jets to take off from like the Eurofighter. It's called a Light Aircraft Carrier for that reason. Only helicopters and VTOL (vertical take-off and landing) aircraft such as the AV-8B Harrier can operate from the Cavour Class Aircraft Carrier. Now, I checked your Military Fact book and sadly couldn't find a listing for you having a Bigger type of Aircraft Carrier such as an Charles De Gaulle Class or Nimitz Class. And for the record- the Cavour can operate 8 Harriers. However, you could put 8 in the hanger and 8 on deck for a total of 16.

Now, not to be completely unhelpful sense I know you put a great deal of time and thought into that post and you really want your war. Italy does operate some Harriers as does some members of the Republic. So, by changing your Eurofighters to Harriers you can keep the rest of your post. However, as it is written now makes it completely unrealistic.

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People of Sharina and the world, I come before you today with grim news. Earlier today, special forces troops attacked and massacred the people of Georgetown in the Cayman Islands.

Few minor points, unless I have been totally correct in assuming your nation is indeed an Empire. You state you’re an democracy and yet for a declaration of war to be issued you would have had to have your Congress agree. Next, issuing the war declaration on the same day is kind of quick, like you planned it. Third, the Cayman Islands? I doubt the majority of citizens of Sharina are really going to care about the Cayman Islands or have even heard of them. Funny, thing is I didn't even know you owned them until I look at the map. LMAO. I think the same would apply to most of the people living under your so called Empire.

The evidence at the Georgetown Massacre points the finger at the Republic of United Nations. The spent bullet casings, aircraft profiles, and several other pieces of evidence reveal the weapons, ammunition, and such are European in origin.

This horrific atrocity committed by the Republic of United Nations must not be allowed to stand.

Hate to be a lawyer here, but in the eyes of the world and in the courtroom that's circumstantial evidence. Lots of nations in Europe, mind being more specify? Have you matched the bullets with the guns? Each weapon leaves a unique trace on each bullet. Your proof is not proof of guilt.

I'm going to have fun with that one, Sri Lanka attacked you? Man, they would indeed be weird and neat at the same time to see. How did Argentina attack you again? How did the Kingdom of Iberia attack you again? Man, your people must be really confused as your even confusing me.

Anyway, as I said minor points. When I'm ready, I'll post my reply to the declaration of war even if I think it makes no sense. I’m not here to deprive you of your war. It's not like your going to win anyway. :D

I would like to join.

Atocian Republic.

Pick a country and have it approved by TG6R

Pick a country and have it approved by TG6R


oh, I would like to claim Myanmar as my nation.

^^depends...which ones were you lokking at?

Few minor points, unless I have been totally correct in assuming your nation is indeed an Empire. You state you’re an democracy and yet for a declaration of war to be issued you would have had to have your Congress agree. Next, issuing the war declaration on the same day is kind of quick, like you planned it. Third, the Cayman Islands? I doubt the majority of citizens of Sharina are really going to care about the Cayman Islands or have even heard of them. Funny, thing is I didn't even know you owned them until I look at the map. LMAO. I think the same would apply to most of the people living under your so called Empire.



Hate to be a lawyer here, but in the eyes of the world and in the courtroom that's circumstantial evidence. Lots of nations in Europe, mind being more specify? Have you matched the bullets with the guns? Each weapon leaves a unique trace on each bullet. Your proof is not proof of guilt.

I'm going to have fun with that one, Sri Lanka attacked you? Man, they would indeed be weird and neat at the same time to see. How did Argentina attack you again? How did the Kingdom of Iberia attack you again? Man, your people must be really confused as your even confusing me.

Anyway, as I said minor points. When I'm ready, I'll post my reply to the declaration of war even if I think it makes no sense. I’m not here to deprive you of your war. It's not like your going to win anyway. :D

First, the United States didn't waste any time declaring war on Japan after Pearl Harbor. This is something similiar- tensions are already high, and with the tensions as they are prior to the war declaration, it is very easy for errors to happen. In fact, wars have begun over misunderstandings or "trickery" like this in RL history.

Second, as for the proof- I just read over my post and I realized I forgot to state that the bullets were Spanish in origin.

Third, my people consider the Republic as one nation instead of seperate nations, considering that my nation knows that if it declares war on Venzeula, Argentina, or Iberia, all the other nations you control will come to help and support the individual nation that war was declared on, thus, "all for one, and one for all" applies here. Thus, your nation "becomes" one for the war.

Finally, the Cayman Islands are just south of Cuba, and they're well known for their "OMG! Huge Bank Accounts!"

Well, seeing as how both me and GR are in Kiev at roughly the same time, why don't we make the conference for three? Yes, no?

Still waiting on GR's note.

Pick a country and have it approved by TG6R

^^depends...which ones were you lokking at?

already picked...

oh, I would like to claim Myanmar as my nation.

a lot of people don't know the difference between Myanmar and Burma

Wait Burma...is that one of the ones im claiming..lol i forget. If so just teley me or something im willing to let the new guys have a whack but id also enjoy an rp so just let me know. id spare a few more as well.

Directed towards Vineyard and Sharina. Sorry, to nitpick but I would just like these two minor issues addressed please.

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If, by Carrier you mean the Cavour Aircraft Carrier. Then sorry to say, but your wrong. Not mentioning that you never RPed designing the Eurofighters for Carrier Operations which I’m willing to ignore in the interest of moving along.

The Cavour Aircraft Carrier was not designed for large fighter jets to take off from like the Eurofighter. It's called a Light Aircraft Carrier for that reason. Only helicopters and VTOL (vertical take-off and landing) aircraft such as the AV-8B Harrier can operate from the Cavour Class Aircraft Carrier. Now, I checked your Military Fact book and sadly couldn't find a listing for you having a Bigger type of Aircraft Carrier such as an Charles De Gaulle Class or Nimitz Class. And for the record- the Cavour can operate 8 Harriers. However, you could put 8 in the hanger and 8 on deck for a total of 16.

Now, not to be completely unhelpful sense I know you put a great deal of time and thought into that post and you really want your war. Italy does operate some Harriers as does some members of the Republic. So, by changing your Eurofighters to Harriers you can keep the rest of your post. However, as it is written now makes it completely unrealistic.



Honest mistake, ill correct it ASAP.

And Sharina can match the guns used by the assailents. They were H&K G36E Assault Rifles. Designed & Produced in Germany, and Used by Spain. I thought I mentioned the HK guns in the post. Or did you miss it?

Need proof? http://world.guns.ru/assault/as53-e.htm Note the end of the first paragraph please.

Then: http://world.guns.ru/assault/as14-e.htm The picture of the gun is at the very top.

Now, I have production rights to most, if not all, german weapons throuhg TG6R. Now, this combined with the fact that the gun uses the standard NATO Ammunition (Which is used by ALL Assult rifles in the Empire), means that it is simply a matter of procuring the weapons.

And providing 30 of them is not that difficult.

So, any contempt Investigator would note that the rounds, fired by an HK, would have either been fired by a German or a Spainard (Or any other nation that uses these soprt of guns..). The Empire is Pubically known to use the Croatian APS 95, and the Italian Beretta AR 70/90 (For the Imperial Guard-Primarily because of the versitility of the weapon. Attachable Grenade launcher primarily... Bipods for the guns, Light-weight Bayonettes, and 20 more Rounds per second than the Croatian make.)

What else.. Oh. The Imperial Army uses 2 different types of Sniper Rifles. One of which is SIC, but I will disclose it to you at any rate.

As you should know, Croatia has one of the most profesional militaries in the world, and is one of the few that produces its own domestic weaponry. But the pinnicle of such weaponry, is this baby. The RT-20 Antimateriel Sniper Rifle, with reduced recoil. It is a bit ungainly, but it is "one of the most powerful anti-materiel rifles fielded by any army in the world today" (That was a quote). It is going to be my 'ace in the hole', should UE try to invade my European Holdings. I will probably mobilize it towards the end of the war to 'feild test' the gun at any rate. Imagine a sniper rifle which makes holes in your armored vehicules, and literally blows off chunks of flesh, limbs, and leaves gaping holes. Plesent, eh?

At any rate, the other Standard Imperial Sniper rifle is the M-93 Black Arrow. Croatian make, nothing special.

So that leaves a myriad of German Sniper guns, none of which Spain, Or any of your republics use... I think. But it still uses 7.62 mm (NATO) Ammunition.

Oh, and one last thing. I believe that Spain uses Harriers as well. So wouldn't your suggestion be considered aiding the enemy? :D

After some careful thought I've decided to leave Earth V. Not that it'd make a huge difference to it anyway.

I just don't have the time to put into it, at least not in the same amount everyone else is, and I think it's unfair that I'm taking up two perfectly useable nations that new members could use, especially when they could be a lot more active than me.

I may return some time in the future, when I have more free time and if Earth V is still around at that point, but until then...If any of you also have PMT nations, I will be RP'ing as the PMT Militocracy of Rethan, as that's more lenient as regards to inactivity (I basically choose when to be active), as opposed to Earth V where everyone is active and having a good time. I just don't have the freedom to take part as much as I'd like to.

Anyway, I'll end now. So long y'all, and have fun fighting over my now empty lands. ;)

why dont you just have Estonia while you go "Incomunicado" for a bit? Much like Azaha with India and warta endor with Indonesia and Australia+ Malaysia and Singapore. (speaking of which when is warta estimated to be coming back?)

Estonias pretty small . I think a lot of people will be more interested in Nuevo Ricas terrirories anyway.

Ive seen a lot larger nations remain on here whilst posting a few threads weekly.

your decision dude. :)

Still waiting on GR's note.
It's fine with me.

Now, I have production rights to most, if not all, german weapons throuhg TG6R. Now, this combined with the fact that the gun uses the standard NATO Ammunition (Which is used by ALL Assult rifles in the Empire), means that it is simply a matter of procuring the weapons.

And providing 30 of them is not that difficult.
Just a minor nitpick, but it's actually no-questions-asked purchase rights (Vineyard gets as many as it wants as quickly if not more than producing it themselves), not production rights. It doesn't matter for the RP, but I felt I should clarify it.

I'd like to form the Holy Roman Pacific Theocracy. Claims The Holy See (Vatican City?), Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Tarawa, Guadal Canal, Guam, Coral Sea Islands, and Jarvis Island.

I'd like to form the Holy Roman Pacific Theocracy. Claims The Holy See (Vatican City?), Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Tarawa, Guadal Canal, Guam, Coral Sea Islands, and Jarvis Island.
Jarvis Islands, Guam, Coral Sea Islands, and the Holy See are all open and yours if you want them. They're quite small nations, so I exempt you from the "takeover RP" requirement for unestablished nations on NS.

Sure, I'll take them.

First, the United States didn't waste any time declaring war on Japan after Pearl Harbor. This is something similiar- tensions are already high, and with the tensions as they are prior to the war declaration, it is very easy for errors to happen. In fact, wars have begun over misunderstandings or "trickery" like this in RL history.

True, but it still didn't happen on the same day. It was the day after the attacks that the declaration of war came. Also, comparing the attack on the Cayman Islands and the attack by Japan on Pearl Harbor are not the same. I think it would be safe to say that it would have taken you at least a week to go over all the findings. Longer, to get the full details of what happen. Declaring war on the same day makes it seem like you just ignored the evidence and went right to war. Which you did, Real Life doesn't work that way. To safely conclude it was me, (Double OCC: Which you darn well know it wasn't) a full impartial investigation would be needed. That investigation would take time.

As to tensions, they had been calming down in my opinion. Also, my nations don't have a history of attacking a country and then slaughtering it's citizens for no reason. Also, when I said your citizens would be confused. You stating I attack some Islands in the Caribbean with no military value and yet attacked no where else. Using the Pearl Harbor attack which in my opinion is not valid in this case. When Japan attack the United States, they not only attacked in Hawaii, but also started a war of conquest in South East Asia. The Philippines, Singapore, Dutch East Indies and the Malay States just to name the major ones.

So, if you go that path you would in real life have a very unpopular war and trust me I'm going to RP making it very unpopular. So, maybe you should give peace a chance.

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Honest mistake, ill correct it ASAP.

And Sharina can match the guns used by the assailents. They were H&K G36E Assault Rifles. Designed & Produced in Germany, and Used by Spain. I thought I mentioned the HK guns in the post. Or did you miss it?

Oh, and one last thing. I believe that Spain uses Harriers as well. So wouldn't your suggestion be considered aiding the enemy? :D

Ok, good. Many nations on Earth V use them not just Spain. It is well known that the Empire of Vineyard uses them as does TGSR it self. As, said before each gun leaves a unique mark on a bullet. Match the bullet to the gun and you got your suspect. Speaking way OCC: Unless, you plan to hand over the weapons you used to Sharian all he has is expended bullets cases. As I said he has no proof of guilt. If you do indeed hand him the weapons I have a feeling it will go something like this. [Enter Sarcasm]Oh yeah, we found the weapons used in the attack. The Empire of Vineyard gave them to us. So you see the Republic of United Nations is guilty. :rolleyes:[End Sarcasm]. There are other means to find out who attacked Sharina, but I'm not going to give them away. You wanted to go that way, your going to have to work for it. If, it was in the post I missed it.

Well unless were OCC enemies, then no. I was trying to not only correct you, but be helpful. If, you don't want me to be helpful just say so. :D Less work for me to do.

OOC:

I need to ask something about these numbers. How do you cram 1,000 tanks and 600 artillery pieces and 500 APC's in a single town? Plus have room for the citizens of Schenectady to drive around and go about their business?

Believe me, I know as I live in a town of comparable size just south of Boston in RL. 1,000 tanks, 500 APC's and 600 artillery pieces would essentially shut down all roads in a rural town, and people there wouldn't be able to do anything (commute, go to work, go to school, etc. with all these things blocking every road) and consquently, these people won't be too happy with your government.

If these numbers were deployed in an area the size of, say, Los Angeles, then it would make more sense as there'll be far more room to deploy these huge vehicles. A reasonable number to deploy in a rural town such as Schenectady would probably be 100 - 150 tanks at the most, maybe 50 artillery pieces, and 30 - 40 APC's. This would ensure that the roads of the town won't be inaccessible to the citizens, and won't cause total gridlock.

Other than that, I have no objections whatsoever.
Here's the problem with your objection:

By "Schenectady," I did not mean the city of Schenectady, but the Protectorate of Schenectady. This semi-sovereign territory encompasses several small towns (Rexford, Niskayuna, Guilderland, and Glenville, to name a few) and a city (Schenectady).

Here's one military base:
http://www3.filehost.to/files/2006-12-10_03/174040_Schenectadyairforce1.JPG

Here's the location of the larger one:
http://www3.filehost.to/files/2006-12-10_03/174532_Schenectadyarmy1.JPG

True, but it still didn't happen on the same day. It was the day after the attacks that the declaration of war came. Also, comparing the attack on the Cayman Islands and the attack by Japan on Pearl Harbor are not the same. I think it would be safe to say that it would have taken you at least a week to go over all the findings. Longer, to get the full details of what happen. Declaring war on the same day makes it seem like you just ignored the evidence and went right to war. Which you did, Real Life doesn't work that way. To safely conclude it was me, (Double OCC: Which you darn well know it wasn't) a full impartial investigation would be needed. That investigation would take time.

As to tensions, they had been calming down in my opinion. Also, my nations don't have a history of attacking a country and then slaughtering it's citizens for no reason. Also, when I said your citizens would be confused. You stating I attack some Islands in the Caribbean with no military value and yet attacked no where else. Using the Pearl Harbor attack which in my opinion is not valid in this case. When Japan attack the United States, they not only attacked in Hawaii, but also started a war of conquest in South East Asia. The Philippines, Singapore, Dutch East Indies and the Malay States just to name the major ones.

So, if you go that path you would in real life have a very unpopular war and trust me I'm going to RP making it very unpopular. So, maybe you should give peace a chance.

OOC:

Hmm. I'll change the detail to 1 week after the attack, for the sake of realism and plausibility. Thanks for that minor detail clear-up.

In my opinion, tensions haven't calmed down considering the RUN has been expanding in South America- if it was just Venzeula then probably not as much tension. However, the RUN "took over" Argentina, then Windward Islands, then Guyana, and kind of puppet government in Chile and Peru if I recall correctly. Not only this, but the acquistion of Gabon in Africa also raises a red flag even though Sharina is not interested in African affairs. Sharina was still saber rattling about these new "acquistions" of the RUN when Vineyard's secret IC attack took place.

OOC'wise I know it was Vineyard who attacked me, but IC'ly the prime suspect is either RUN or Vineyard and with the recent cooperation between Sharina and Vineyard (note: the Panama canal), the prime suspect shifts more onto the RUN considering the RUN was / is currently expanding in South America (see above paragraph).

This war might not be as unpopular as you may think. The Sharinan people just witnessed RUN expand in the past couple of game years (Argentina all the way up to Guyana and Gabon) and are kind of afraid that if the Sharina government turns a blind eye to the RUN's stuff, then the RUN will end up gobbling up Chile, Peru, Bolivia, Uruguay, Suriname, and French Guyana. Not only this with RUN, but the fact that the CSA collapsed (due to Nuevo Rico quitting OOC'ly) it creates yet more uncertainty of foreign powers wanting land in former CSA lands.

Consquently, Sharina feels it needs to set an example, and basically say "Europe, Africa, and Asia stay the hell out of the Americas" otherwise it'd be setting a precedent along the lines of "Hey its open season on the Americas. Come invade this nice parcel of land in former CSA territory or South America territory, and Sharina will love you for it!".

As for the Pearl Harbor comparison- I know its not a perfect analogy, but considering that tensions were pretty high with the RUN expanding, Sharina saber rattling aganist the RUN, Vineyardian stuff in Peru, and so forth, all it takes is one small spark to set off a powder keg. That spark was Vineyard's commando raid on the Cayman Islands. Throughout history, small sparks or misunderstandings led to large wars, and I'm trying to represent that instead of the usual mainstream NS stuff of "Magically know all secret IC stuff and act upon it even though I am not supposed to know it IC'ly yet (or ever)".

Let me put it another way. Suppose a group of Japs, Chinese, or any "Asian-looking" people went on a spree in Hawaii, killing civilians, women, and children, and leaving behind Asian-manufactured weapons and ammo, the US would most likely do something aganist Japan as Japan was a member of the Axis (similiar to EATO in Earth V in Sharina's eyes), Japan was expanding (similiar to RUN- like Guyana, Windward Islands, and Gabon), has been quite tense politically (like the saber rattling between Sharina and RUN), and so on. On the other hand, the other suspects would be China (unlikely as it was engaged in civil war between Commies and Nationalists), Australia (unlikely as it is an ally), and all those island nations (unlikely as they were either conquered by Japan or have little to gain by provocating the US).

In Earth V, Sharina doesn't suspect or believe TGSR or Vineyard are responible, as Sharina knows that TGSR has been a steadfast ally for decades and Vineyard isn't that foolish to provocate Sharina when an entire Vineyardian fleet is surrounded by Sharinan forces (and the fact that Vineyard didn't try anything funny like blowing up the Panama Canal). Sharina might suspect Military Command but isn't likely to as Military Command gave up land in the Americas (a big plus in Sharina's eyes, something the RUN hasn't done- the RUN did exactly the opposite), and MC is too involved in taking over England to go to war with Sharina. Thus the process of deduction leaves the RUN as the prime suspect.

1. Only other major nation in Europe besides Vineyard, TGSR, and Military Command.

2. Only other nation to use European weapons, guns, and ammo (as TGSR, Vineyard, and MC are the other European nations)

3. It is the only European nation to actually expand in the Americas, whereas TGSR, Vineyard, and MC haven't (or withdrew from Americas- Vineyard and MC did this)

4. Tensions are high between RUN and Sharina, while tensions between Sharina and the other 3 European nations are low (tensions with MC lowered because MC left America, exactly what Sharina wanted).

5. Sharina believes that Vineyard is not likely to attack Sharina and be pinpointed as the one responible because Sharinan people and leadership knows Vineyard wouldn't make such a foolish mistake considering the majority of Vineyard's fleet is doing "partnership" stuff with Sharina. If Vineyard was that foolish, Sharina would sink the whole Vineyardian battlefleet within a few minutes, thus eliminating the majority of Vineyard's Naval branch.

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Hope that clears up stuff, and helps people understand where and what I'm coming from, and trying to keep it all in IC perpsective, as opposed to "Magic Knowledge" that happens in mainstream NS when people act on secret IC knowledge when they're not even supposed to.

TGSR:

I stand corrected. I forgot your area included more than just Schenectady. Consider my objection withdrawn- I wanted to make sure there were no "OMG! Uber-NS number cramming!" happening here in Earth V (stuff like cramming 5 billion people in the land size of Delaware that happens sometimes in mainstream NS).

Jarvis Islands, Guam, Coral Sea Islands, and the Holy See are all open and yours if you want them. They're quite small nations, so I exempt you from the "takeover RP" requirement for unestablished nations on NS.

Can I buy Midway from you?

Can I buy Midway from you?
First of all, I would advise you to read the FAQ in the map thread (there's a link on the first page). It will help you get started.

Secondly, remember that all IC actions belong in the IC thread (again, there's a link on the first page to this).

Welcome to Earth V! ;)

And no, you can't have the Midway Islands. :p I've had them since the start of time, literally.

MIght want to look these over.

The Holy Roman Army:
1,000 Swiss Imperial Guard (Army of the Holy See)
5,000 Guardians of the Roman Pacific Islands (Army of the Islands in the Pacific; Spread throughout various islands)
1,000 Soldiers of the Holy Roman Army (Marines; on Guam)
10,000 Holy Roman Reserves (Holy See and Various Islands in the Pacific)

Holy Roman Navy
1 Nimitz Class Carrier (Guam)
3 Fletcher Class Destroyers

Holy Roman Air Force
200 B-52s
10 B-47s
400 F-14s

As of now, the Armies are not organized as that will come in the future.

1). He has way to many people in his Military. Guam and the Holy See are the only things he owns with a Population. And Guam would probably be the only one to provide troops, seeing as how the Holy See is mostly made up of the Papacy.

2). B-52s? For a Nation smaller then Azerbaijan? Most of the Air-Force is a God-Mode.

3). Lets just say the entire military is a god-mode.

MIght want to look these over.



1). He has way to many people in his Military. Guam and the Holy See are the only things he owns with a Population. And Guam would probably be the only one to provide troops, seeing as how the Holy See is mostly made up of the Papacy.

2). B-52s? For a Nation smaller then Azerbaijan? Most of the Air-Force is a God-Mode.

3). Lets just say the entire military is a god-mode.

He cannot have any of the following...

1 Nimitz Class Carrier (Guam)
3 Fletcher Class Destroyers
200 B-52s
10 B-47s
400 F-14s

This is because he doesn't have production rights, specs, technology, or the industrial base to build these things. Sharina is now the only nation capable of building, maintaining, and fielding all American made military material, equipment, and vehicles as the CSA has just collapsed.

This is realism, after all, not mainstream NS wank-fest.