NationStates Jolt Archive

CND protests merge with existing Korean groups to protest at Yongbyon Atomic Power Station. Of course, a few are arrested, the rest ignored. However, the Social Democrats pay attention, especially Lyuh Woon-Hyung, who in E20 had voiced opposition to Yongbyon.

Newspapers, TV broadcasts, and government statements in China fully oppose the CND.

Several messages include...

Statement #1:

"CND wishes to return society to a Stone Age existence!"

Statement #2:

"Without electricity, there cannot be a modern lifestyle with excellent medicine, living standards, efficient transportation, and everyday amenities!"

Statement #3:

"Nuclear power is far preferable than coal and oil power. Coal pollutes much heavier than nuclear power, and oil is needed for everyday applications such as plastics and automobiles instead of being used up in energy power plants."

Statement #4:

"Would the CND prefer to have the Earth covered in black soot from thousands of potential coal power plants? Would the CND desire beautiful countrysides ruined through oil spills and huge coal mines? Does the CND want to pay the billions or even trillions of dollars that will be needed to treat people suffering from inhaling coal soot all over the world? Is a dark, grimy, and ash-filled future the one the CND really wants?"

Statement #5:

"China has been committed towards clean energy, and nuclear power, hydroelectric power, and natural gas power fills the bill. China is also researching alternatives so to not rely on coal power which will destroy the Earth through suffocating coal soot pollution."

Police in Essen where two Nuclear Power plants are located, begin to make arrests of very loud CND members. Bullets are fired into the air and a tank Company comes to the assistance of the Police. An old Flamethrower tank is equipped with a water hose and crowds are blasted with them.

The Mayor of Essen states he will not allow international protestors to interfere in the economy of Germany.

Meanwhile, the Chancellor echoes some of the comments of the CND, calling for world-wide reduction in nuclear arms. The Chief of Armed Forces is rumored to have said, following his agreement with the Chancellor, "Nuclear arms take all the fun out of war."

BTW, here's my new thread. It's not finished yet, but I'll try to get it done today.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=483068

can they call it the rainbow warrior like Greenpeace did?

Sure why not.

Newspapers, TV broadcasts, and government statements in China fully oppose the CND.

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"China has been committed towards clean energy, and nuclear power, hydroelectric power, and natural gas power fills the bill. China is also researching alternatives so to not rely on coal power which will destroy the Earth through suffocating coal soot pollution."

Local CND activists state that whilst many of their members are not too keen on nuclear power the CND's aim is to see the reduction in useage and development of Nuclear weapons which are seen as immoral and overkill. The CND cite several leading scientists and radical politicians as supporters.

With four nuclear power plants in Kiev and two new nuclear powers plants soon to join them, there have been an amount of CND protests at these facilities, though perhaps not to the severity of the other nations'. When asked briefly in a press conference about the CND, President Mykola stated "It is ridiculous that this organization chooses to protest in the Ukraine, which has no nuclear weapon arsenal, or even intent of creating such weapons. All we have done is taken advantage of a plentiful fuel supply that has helped our nation to grow economically and provide a better life for our citizens. Those who are protesting at our facilities are like those who persecuted Galileo for the heliocentric theory- uninformed, dogmatic and ultimately opposed to the advancement of mankind."

There has been some talk in the Ukraine left of forming a Green Party that would agree with the CND's principles. Additionally, the Ukraine Socialist Party has announced that they will add an anti-nuclear plank to their party platform in the next election, two years from now. The Ukraine Communist party has denounced the "inhuman tools of capitalist warmongering", and declared their support for the CND's efforts.

Thousands of student CND activists gather at Chinon, the Nuclear hub of France. They protest loudly the direction France has taken in regards to nuclear power.

Police prescence has been tightened at these locations to ensure security while the government hold dialogue and disscussions with the activists.

Further Intel Stuff:

Italy

Several pro-demlcratic groups continue their political fight for more representation in the government. They begin to garner support in the rural areas where many of the poorer farmers feel a little hard done by the current government.

Russia

In the Caucasus region several groups are set up to garner support for independence from Russia. Spurred on by the actions of the Siberian groups they also send representatives to the UN in the hope of getting foreign support for devolution or independence. The delegates include members of the Armenian, Azerbaijani, Dagestani, Ossetian, Chechnyan, Circassian and Abkhaz ethno-linguistic groupings.

Austria

Several pro-independence groups continue their work in Austria trying to garner support for a level of devolution from Germany (similar to that in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in the UK today). Though they have few supporters at present as many people are happy with the current status quo in the region.

May 15, 1959 -
Several National Student Movements had a sit-in protest near local HydroBulgaria main stations as well as at several of the main Universities all over the country. Man of these protests ended in complete disaster for the Students and for the government...
In Sofia, several protesters took down the Chinese flag from the Chinese Embassy, but were arrested and the Securetaria had to find a replacement flag for the embassy.
In Varna, the students mistakenly over ran three ships coming from Italy to discover that the ships were carrying construction materials for a hospital site in Varna, a boat load of exchange students and humanitarian supplies that were meant to be sent to Africa over a stop-over in Varna. The students were arrested and were charged with breaking and entering, vandalism, piracy and many other crimes.
King Simeone I and the Royal government were absolutely appalled(sic) at the most violent protests in the last 50 years and at the anti-nuclear demonstrations that the Kingdom called an emergency session of the National Assembly.

Chancellor Schuschnigg goes to Dublin and speaks in the General Assembly.

"Perhaps we should listen to the calls of these protestors and work together to peacefully reduce the number of nuclear arms. The current nuclear arsenal could wipe out all life on Earth several times. While I understand why many nations would wish to have nuclear weapons, the amount of weapons held by some borders on the range of absurdity."

"Therefore, Germany calls for all nations to sit down together at the Assembly and work together to create a fair and balanced arms reduction so that the horrors of the Eurasian War may never be felt again."

ooc. Due to a couple of heavy weeks (school...) I won't be able to check the E20 threads very often. If everything goes as planned (no re-examinations) I'll be able to post regularly in three weeks or something.

The powerful Green party in Japan staged several rallies and protest marches across the country, a symbolic event as Japan has no nuclear weapons. There was no violence, and the protests are siad to be leading into the 1960 election, were the Green Part hopes to win a fifth of the available seats

The ballistic missile sub Svensksund set off from Karlskrona on its routine patrol through the North Sea and down to the Atlantic. Near Iceland the reactors coolant started leaking requiring the crew to work under radioactive conditions to fix the leak before the reactor overheated. Distress calls were sent out over the radio, but the closest Scandic vessel was still several days away and so the problem had to be dealt with by the crew. By the time the Niels Juel, a newly built destroyer, arrived to take the crew onboard and tow the wounded sub home, four men had died and the entire crew had been exposed to high levels of radiation.

When news of what happened got out crowds of CND supporters demonstrated in front of the naval base at Karlskrona and other such facilities.

China points out that it hasn't engaged in any wars of aggression with the exception of Burma over three decades ago. The Burma invasion was mostly a half-hearted effort to placate the Warsaw Pact so that the Pact wouldn't invade China, which they eventually did during the Third World War.

China has been the victim of many defeats and even nuclear weapons. It is one of the four nations that suffered such in the history of mankind up to this point. China was defenseless back then, and refuses to be defenseless again, lest other nations decide to ravage or employ nuclear weapons aganist China ever again.

Therefore, the only reason why China is maintaining nuclear weapons is as deterrant, so that other nations will not use nuclear weapons on China, lest they themselves suffer in a counter-strike. Having equal weapons as the enemy ensures that the enemy is less likely to cause such widespread destruction knowing that they themselves will suffer similiar, if not worse, destruction in return.

China never has and never will employ nuclear weapons in an offensive, or first-strike aganist any of its potential enemies next year, ten years, or a hundred years from now.

China adds the following statement.

"China will give up its nuclear weapons only if every other nation on Earth gives up their nuclear weapons. Otherwise, the need for WMD deterrance will remain.

The goal of the CND is admirable, attempting to eliminate nuclear weapons from the face of Earth. However, their goal, as the Americans would put it, 'has a snowball's chance in hell' of succeeding as long as nations are not willing to give up their WMD weapons.

Again, China is willing to do just that, but the problem is that if China gives up its WMD weapons then other nations could very well view that situation as a perfect opporunity to employ WMD weapons aganist China with impunity, killing millions once again. If everybody gives up all their WMD's at the same time then the threat of WMD would be greatly reduced, if not eliminated."

Further Intel Stuff:
Russia

In the Caucasus region several groups are set up to garner support for independence from Russia. Spurred on by the actions of the Siberian groups they also send representatives to the UN in the hope of getting foreign support for devolution or independence. The delegates include members of the Armenian, Azerbaijani, Dagestani, Ossetian, Chechnyan, Circassian and Abkhaz ethno-linguistic groupings.


You know Ossetians are currently fighting Georgians to join back with Russia IRL right?

The Ossetians who want to be part of Russia are the Southern Ossetians who wish to be set apart from the Georgians who they are bundled with now and instead join a seperate republican territory of Russia with the Northern Ossetians. It is not so much a case of being a part of Russia as being a part of a recognised ethnic type instead of being classified as Georgians.

In any case there may not be that many Ossetians wanting independence and it could just be a well funded (and vocal) minority...

A minority in Ossetia doesn't beat back the Georgian army.

From: King Simeone I of Bulgaria and the University Board of Sofia
To: All of the Consulates of the Chinese Republic and to the people of China

We would like to sincerely apologise for the behaviours of many of the rebellous youth of the nation. The Royal Government would be honoured to help in any way to reduce the threat of any form of destructive device yet be able to use alternative sources of energy to help the world in the long run. We must be able to settle the situation with peace and with care to insure that everything will be in both of us best interests as nations and partners...

From: King Simeone I of Bulgaria and the University Board of Sofia
To: All of the Consulates of the Chinese Republic and to the people of China

We would like to sincerely apologise for the behaviours of many of the rebellous youth of the nation. The Royal Government would be honoured to help in any way to reduce the threat of any form of destructive device yet be able to use alternative sources of energy to help the world in the long run. We must be able to settle the situation with peace and with care to insure that everything will be in both of us best interests as nations and partners...

Comminque to the Bulgarian people
From: Prime Minister Chiang Kai-Shek, Sovereign Republic of China

China appreciates and accepts the Bulgarian apology. It is human nature to occasionally lash out at things they fear or do not understand.

China has been attempting to look into alternative energy sources for some time now. We have been looking at expanding hydroelectric potential, ethanol fuels, methane based energy, and possibly even harnessing energy from the wind and the sun.

It is a necessity as Chinese economists and scientists predict that the world will run out of oil within three decades, give or take several years considering the massive economic expansion that occured worldwide in the past fifty years. We must seek large scale alternative energy technologies and sources, otherwise modern civilization as we know will come to a crashing and sudden halt as oil deposits run dry.

We will revert back to the Dark Ages or Medieval times if something is not done about it, and decades in advance instead of seeking last minute solutions. We must preserve the future for not only China and Bulgaria, but for the entire world as we know it.

Go in peace.
~Prime Minister Chiang Kai-Shek

OOC: I am interested in joining as the NPC Greece and making it a player character, I have talked to Malkyer and Sharina about this, and was informed to post here.

there are more powerful countries if you want, I think Poland and Italy are open, unless you really want Greece

OOC: Ah, I think I'll look at Italy.

OOC: Ah, I think I'll look at Italy.

Be Poland!

cool. A lot of people signed up, and then stopped playing. Good nations available include:
Mexico
Italy
Poland
Spain (could be good)
plus some okay nations like Burma, Phillipines (both of which are getting stronger), Indonesia, Malaysia and such

OOC: Alright, if it's ok with everyone, I would like to sign up as Italy, and if I do, should I do retroactive builds from the point at which they stopped?

interesting choice, but It will probably be accepted. Usually you just continue with what you have now, although you probably can go back to 1959 I think

OOC: Ah, alright, I saw Italy's thread and his builds stopped at 1946, but I guess that more recent builds could be found. I will look.

I'm pretty sure GB did Italy's build for last year.

OOC: Found GB's build for Italy, I'm cool now, if I am accepted, I'm ready to roll.

OOC: I know I haven't been accepted, but I want to make sure this is the right way to do things... I have made a build for Italy for 1960, and would like it to be checked... Here it is:

Italian Budget for 1960 (includes Libya, Tunisia, Eritrea, Italian Somalia, Corsica)
Population: 55,000,000
Income: 56
Production: 20 (20.4 production centers (Milan (5), Rome (4), Genoa (3), Turin (3), Venice (2), Naples (1), Tripoli (1), Tunis (1).) / 110 maximum)
Commerce: 30 (20 shipping units)
Airline: 4 (1 national, 1 international)
Tourism: N/A
Misc.: 1 Point from Sardinia, 1 Point from Eritrea
Pollution effects: -1%
Annual Growth: 2% (Market/Peacetime=3%, -1% from Pollution)

Constant Costs-28 points
Military Upkeep- .5 points
Intelligence Service- 5 points (new this year)
Social Services (Level III)- 16.5 points
Continuing Research Grants- 6 points (Nuclear Power only)

Government Projects
2 x Standard Trained Garrison Units (Milan, Rome)- 6 points
Italian Intelligence Agency- 10 points
Nuclear power plant construction- 6 points a year (has 2 power plants, plus 1 under construction year 2 of 4 finished in 1963)
Subtotal: 22 Points

Total Expenses: 50 Points

Foreign Aid
N/A

Outstanding Debt:
N/A

Surplus
6 Points

Energy Calculations
Energy Needed:
--Production: 1
--Commerce: 2
--Military: N/A

Energy Avaliable:
-- 2 Coal, 1 Natural Gas, 2 Nuclear, 1 Hydro Electric (6 total)
Energy Used:
-- 3
Energy Surplus:
-- 3

Energy Used Breakdown:
-- 1 Hydro Electric for production
-- 1 Natural Gas, 1 Coal for commerce
Energy Imported:
-- N/A (looking for Oil)

Projected 1961 Income: 20 (20.4 Production Centers + 2% = 20.8) + 30 commerce + 4 Airline + 2 Misc. = 56 points

OOC: I know I haven't been accepted, but I want to make sure this is the right way to do things... I have made a build for Italy for 1960, and would like it to be checked... Here it is:

Italian Budget for 1960 (includes Libya, Tunisia, Eritrea, Italian Somalia, Corsica)
Population: 55,000,000
Income: 56
Production: 20 (20.4 production centers (Milan (5), Rome (4), Genoa (3), Turin (3), Venice (2), Naples (1), Tripoli (1), Tunis (1).) / 110 maximum)
Commerce: 30 (20 shipping units)
Airline: 4 (1 national, 1 international)
Tourism: N/A
Misc.: 1 Point from Sardinia, 1 Point from Eritrea
Pollution effects: -1%
Annual Growth: 2% (Market/Peacetime=3%, -1% from Pollution)

Constant Costs-28 points
Military Upkeep- .5 points
Intelligence Service- 5 points (new this year)
Social Services (Level III)- 16.5 points
Continuing Research Grants- 6 points (Nuclear Power only)

Government Projects
2 x Standard Trained Garrison Units (Milan, Rome)- 6 points
Italian Intelligence Agency- 10 points
Nuclear power plant construction- 6 points a year (has 2 power plants, plus 1 under construction year 2 of 4 finished in 1963)
Subtotal: 22 Points

Total Expenses: 50 Points

Foreign Aid
N/A

Outstanding Debt:
N/A

Surplus
6 Points

Energy Calculations
Energy Needed:
--Production: 1
--Commerce: 2
--Military: N/A

Energy Avaliable:
-- 2 Coal, 1 Natural Gas, 2 Nuclear, 1 Hydro Electric (6 total)
Energy Used:
-- 3
Energy Surplus:
-- 3

Energy Used Breakdown:
-- 1 Hydro Electric for production
-- 1 Natural Gas, 1 Coal for commerce
Energy Imported:
-- N/A (looking for Oil)

Projected 1961 Income: 20 (20.4 Production Centers + 2% = 20.8) + 30 commerce + 4 Airline + 2 Misc. = 56 points

You already have an Intelligence Agency, there's no need to make a new one. Other than that, good post

As Economic Mod:
Tinsuvilia, you should have 76 total points, as production centers are worth 2 points each, meaning you have 40 domestic production points rather than 20. Also, as Haneastic said, you don't have to pay for an intelligence agency, since you already have one. Otherwise, everything looks good, though you need to find some oil to fuel your military. Libya, which you control, has 3 oil points, so you are covered there.

Here is the Economic Thread, which has all of the rules and is where you will need to post your build once it's official that you're in the game: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472573

Tinsuvilia is approved- I believe he will be a great asset to E20.

Get ready to get rollin'. :)

OOC: Ok, thanks. I'll get the revised build up soon as possible.

Hi and welcome, I'll be your neighbor France, I am also part of the EEC (economic pact) and the ESA (Space Agency -first to put a man in orbit-) with the UK, Germany, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium, Burgundy (Luxembourg combined with that area between Germany and France (Alasace-Lorraine or something)), Albania and Kosovo (one nation) and Yugoslavia.

Our position towards Italy is one of hope that there will be a return to democracy, as if you haven't noticed the last player made a dictatorship headed by the "Doge".

A minority in Ossetia doesn't beat back the Georgian army.

Sorry I should have been clearer, I meant the minority existed in the E20 timeline and was being well funded and vocal, not in our RL timeline. Sorry for the confusion.

Dear E20'ers,

It is my unfortunate duty to tell you I am withdrawing from this excellent RP. I have been with this RP since the beginning and once hoped to be with it to its end. I remember when Parthini was just a part time sub for Germany, when the world shook before the might of GB’s Moderating Power and before Vas’s wrath. I remember of course igniting two world wars single-handedly and have enjoyed myself thoroughly doing so. And yet as I come back to this RP after another brief hiatus, I find myself missing the drive I once had. I am no longer as interested in this RP or in NS in general, though by no fault of my fellow RP’ers. I have enjoyed myself greatly and will always look upon this RP and the nations who participated with a particular fondness. I will continue to RP on NS on a limited basis and I fell that this would not do justice to this to E20. So I find myself once again saying, So long and thanks for all the fish! I sincerely hope to RP with all of you in the future.

Dear E20'ers,

It is my unfortunate duty to tell you I am withdrawing from this excellent RP. I have been with this RP since the beginning and once hoped to be with it to its end. I remember when Parthini was just a part time sub for Germany, when the world shook before the might of GB’s Moderating Power and before Vas’s wrath. I remember of course igniting two world wars single-handedly and have enjoyed myself thoroughly doing so. And yet as I come back to this RP after another brief hiatus, I find myself missing the drive I once had. I am no longer as interested in this RP or in NS in general, though by no fault of my fellow RP’ers. I have enjoyed myself greatly and will always look upon this RP and the nations who participated with a particular fondness. I will continue to RP on NS on a limited basis and I fell that this would not do justice to this to E20. So I find myself once again saying, So long and thanks for all the fish! I sincerely hope to RP with all of you in the future.

that's truly sad. Are you sure you don't want to stay on part-time?

that's truly sad. Are you sure you don't want to stay on part-time?

I'm not sure to be honest. Maybe in the future, but right now I have lost the interest that gets me to actually to the builds each year and to put up with the scheming of Sharina and Safehaven2 ;)

Quite honestly I don't want to stay on if I'm if I'm not going to do anything because of lack of effort on my part. It wouldn't be fare to you guys.

just invade someone

The Development of Infrastructure: Italy requests aid! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=483706)

Welcome to E20.

To everyone else, I'm not going to be able to do anything but keep up with what is happening until Wednesday afternoon/evening. If you want to ask me something, tg me. I'll have my build up then too, as well as the results of the 1960 Reichstag General elections.

Italy: France took Corsica back a while ago, not your top concern, but it could make a difference.

Hey guys, I just thought of something.

In E20, there are diplomacy RPs, battle RPs, what about character RPs? It'd be interesting to see how the different happenings in E20 resulted in different societies at the personal level (i.e., gangster stories, archaeological expeditions, personal accounts of the wars, spy stories involving corporations or SCT v. OA, etc.).

Cause as I see it, E20 does have some room for this sort of thing, though time wise could be an issue.

Hey guys, I just thought of something.

In E20, there are diplomacy RPs, battle RPs, what about character RPs? It'd be interesting to see how the different happenings in E20 resulted in different societies at the personal level (i.e., gangster stories, archaeological expeditions, personal accounts of the wars, spy stories involving corporations or SCT v. OA, etc.).

Cause as I see it, E20 does have some room for this sort of thing, though time wise could be an issue.

that is a weakness, but the speed we move at is part of the issue there

I've had a few character RPs here and there, although they were no more than a post or two.

But as I see it, there is no reason why we can't do more. I myself plan to do more RPing as the Kaiserin (who is 15 and will need a hubby relatively soon ;) ) an Imperial Guardsman and maybe just a guy who gets caugh up in everything (think Forrest Gump, but German. Hitler Gump or something...) when summer comes b/c I'll have a lot more time on my hands. Maybe some other people want to do joint character RPs or something. TG me if you want. Otherwise, I think the most we can do is encourage it and do it ourselves.

Hey guys, I just thought of something.

In E20, there are diplomacy RPs, battle RPs, what about character RPs? It'd be interesting to see how the different happenings in E20 resulted in different societies at the personal level (i.e., gangster stories, archaeological expeditions, personal accounts of the wars, spy stories involving corporations or SCT v. OA, etc.).

Cause as I see it, E20 does have some room for this sort of thing, though time wise could be an issue.

I'm game for that.

It should be interesting to see some behind-the-scenes stuff and also he possibility of "combat" between the alliances without outright war. Something like spies or ideology or media propganda... similiar to the Cold War between the USA and USSR in RL (think of all these spy and politics movies).

On E2 someone created a blog that a bunch of us joined (I never really posted anything and I'm not sure about its current fate) but people made op-eds and other things from thier nations. A thread like that would be interesting.

I definitely think this summer, when some of us have free time, is the best time to do something interesting. Come to think of it, my Crown Prince needs a wife (probably too old for the Kaiserin though, hes 28 or so, plus there'd be all kinds of issues when the King died) I'll have to check a few RL Arab royal families and find someone appropriate.

I'm game for that.

It should be interesting to see some behind-the-scenes stuff and also he possibility of "combat" between the alliances without outright war. Something like spies or ideology or media propganda... similiar to the Cold War between the USA and USSR in RL (think of all these spy and politics movies).

It sounds interesting, and I'd like to do a little of it, but I'd rather keep diplomacy and the stuff we have right, now, and just add some character stuff in to add flavor

On E2 someone created a blog that a bunch of us joined (I never really posted anything and I'm not sure about its current fate) but people made op-eds and other things from thier nations. A thread like that would be interesting.

I definitely think this summer, when some of us have free time, is the best time to do something interesting. Come to think of it, my Crown Prince needs a wife (probably too old for the Kaiserin though, hes 28 or so, plus there'd be all kinds of issues when the King died) I'll have to check a few RL Arab royal families and find someone appropriate.

The Joesons need new blood, y'know-we might have a Prince available.

It sounds interesting, and I'd like to do a little of it, but I'd rather keep diplomacy and the stuff we have right, now, and just add some character stuff in to add flavor

I'm game for that-it'd be interesting to occasionally do a James Bond-type story, which gives life to a simple spy op that would otherwise be handled by stats.

I could do Kim Jong Il as a Sam Peckinpah-type director (complete with brilliance, booze, girls, and anger), seeing as how he never got the chance to become a dictator in E20.

I'm game for that-it'd be interesting to occasionally do a James Bond-type story, which gives life to a simple spy op that would otherwise be handled by stats.

I could do Kim Jong Il as a Sam Peckinpah-type director (complete with brilliance, booze, girls, and anger), seeing as how he never got the chance to become a dictator in E20.

and have a SCT commando team kill him

and have a SCT commando team kill him

After he argues with his acting crew and dies of alcoholism, having been fired by his studio after flipping out at them once too many.... :D

Sounds good to me

Sorry that I haven't been able to put up a 1960 Ukraine build yet, I'm still a bit new and am not sure what to do. I've had a hectic weekend with graduation etc., and haven't been able to be online to talk with Safehaven2 to figure out what to do and how to adjust my population. Again, sorry.

Is it just me or do we desparately need a Russia?

Sorry that I haven't been able to put up a 1960 Ukraine build yet, I'm still a bit new and am not sure what to do. I've had a hectic weekend with graduation etc., and haven't been able to be online to talk with Safehaven2 to figure out what to do and how to adjust my population. Again, sorry.

You can post anytime you want.

And Elephantum, yes we will need a Russia soon. Anyone want to do it? There should be some small nation, like Bulgaria, that might be good to switch

i read some of this and it looks good. im interested if you need a Russia. But, is the war still on? or is the peace now?

if i cant be Russia i would probably want to be a Euro nation, probably more than Russia.

i read some of this and it looks good. im interested if you need a Russia. But, is the war still on? or is the peace now?

if i cant be Russia i would probably want to be a Euro nation, probably more than Russia.

Right now, we're at peace, so you won't have many problems.

is it the USSR? Is it f'ed up?

is it the USSR? Is it f'ed up?

No, its the Russian Federation. Details are here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10645288#post10645288

sorry i havent checked in. Sure, i guess ill take Russia.

btw, are there any conflicts going on?

Belarus is on its way to independence, there are groups in Siberia and the Causcaus who want independence (whether they are popular is a matter of debate) The UN called fro a plebecite in Scandanavian St. Petersburg, to see if it would return to you, but the SU hasnt held it yet.

sorry i havent checked in. Sure, i guess ill take Russia.

btw, are there any conflicts going on?

Russia has a player who is somewhat inactive, but nevertheless, has a player. Sharina has to approve you.

Russia has a player who is somewhat inactive, but nevertheless, has a player. Sharina has to approve you.

Actually I resigned (again). I guess you missed my beautifully crafted goodbye message.

Actually I resigned (again). I guess you missed my beautifully crafted goodbye message.

yep, I missed it. I would suggest an experienced player take Russia though, Kilani would be my recommendation. Its a big country, its under pressure, and its key.

So I havent been around for a while. Care to update me and Ill get right on posting?

Sorry i've missed the last couple of days. I've been off school with a fairly bad case of the flu (I actually missed an important Physics exam, but they put in an estimated grade for me). I'll try to catch up as soon as I can, as usual if there's anything I am likely to have missed or needs my urgent attention TG me and i'll attend to it as soon as I feel better, probably tomorrow.

Though my recovery isn't likely to be aided by the refusal of NHS GP's to allow flu patients in to see them, even charging me £25 for a doctor's note for the exam board: grumble, grumble, grumble...

Cheers Guys.

In Europe (which is probably what you want to know): The EEC was formed, Germany, France, Britain, Albania, and a few other nations joined (ask an EEC member). Portugal collapsed into anarchy, and lots of people fled to Spai, and a US-UK force landed and restored order. There's probably more, but that's all I remember, as well as new rules regarding oil

Sorry i've missed the last couple of days. I've been off school with a fairly bad case of the flu (I actually missed an important Physics exam, but they put in an estimated grade for me). I'll try to catch up as soon as I can, as usual if there's anything I am likely to have missed or needs my urgent attention TG me and i'll attend to it as soon as I feel better, probably tomorrow.

Though my recovery isn't likely to be aided by the refusal of NHS GP's to allow flu patients in to see them, even charging me £25 for a doctor's note for the exam board: grumble, grumble, grumble...

Cheers Guys.

estimated grade? man I wish we could get that...

o dont worry, im an experianced roleplayer. But, i would rather be a European country. Are there any good ones?

In Europe, I'd say Spain or Portugal (which recently lost its colonies and had a civil war/intervention) could be interesting. Greece is feeling very nationalistic, and might attempt to restore Alexander's empire. Canada, while not a European country, is very similar to one, and has a large population, giving you wiggle room and spare cash smaller nations might not have. They are also very stable, and in the Oceanic Alliance (like NATO, but in the Pacific). If you want to get some experience though, you could take a new African country and build it up a bit. Idi Amin's always a fun guy to bring into the world scene.

Although I definetely think big, important nations like Russia should be saved for someone with more experience, probably someone active with a small-ish nation.

In Europe, I'd say Spain or Portugal (which recently lost its colonies and had a civil war/intervention) could be interesting. Greece is feeling very nationalistic, and might attempt to restore Alexander's empire. Canada, while not a European country, is very similar to one, and has a large population, giving you wiggle room and spare cash smaller nations might not have. They are also very stable, and in the Oceanic Alliance (like NATO, but in the Pacific). If you want to get some experience though, you could take a new African country and build it up a bit. Idi Amin's always a fun guy to bring into the world scene.

Although I definetely think big, important nations like Russia should be saved for someone with more experience, probably someone active with a small-ish nation.


I'd say go for Poland. It's probably the strongest NPC European nation out there (except Russia), and always the possibility of war, as well as plenty of help from the SU

Look at the front page. Im the resident Spain player.

I have an announcement:

HALLELUJA!!

Finals are over. Algebra (unless I screwed up on the final) is over. I can now play this like an addicted child. Huzzah!

Spain, you are a member of the EEC. It's like the real EU, just smaller. So far its only Germany, Britain, France, BeNeBur, Yugoslavia, Albania, and yourself, but we're looking to expand. It's mostly just a economic alliance, but there is a defensive clause in there. Geo-Politically, it's sitting in between the SCT and OA with Britain with the OA some, and Germany dabbling in the Middle East and Africa.

We also have a really good space program. And by really good, I mean months behind the US in just about everything. And that's just b/c they're cheaters who had to get the FNS, Australia, Mexico and Canada, and are trying to steal Britain.

As to Russian guy, I would prefer someone who is more experienced in E20. Experience outside counts for a lot, but since E20 is pretty complicated, I think it would be better to take something else that is smaller. Like Greece. That would be interesting.

If your interested in playing Greece, TG me with the details, since I'm the NPC mod.

I wasn't aware you were still active, sorry. We do need a Russia though, so if Kilani doesn't take it and Ebedron takes something else, I'll take up the role if no one objects

Germany, don't forget the CSPS in Europe.

o dont worry, im an experianced roleplayer. But, i would rather be a European country. Are there any good ones?

Ah, forget Europe they are always squabbling between themselves anyway.
Come to Asia we have a free spot in as Burma and although it is quite behind at the moment in the technological race as a member of the SCT it is part of a stable alliance and economic community that stretches from the shores of the Caspian to the Sea of Japan.
Burma has acesses to the economic might of China, the technological advancements of Japan, Indochina and Korea and the massive, well trained armies of Asia as a whole.

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I wasn't aware you were still active, sorry. We do need a Russia though, so if Kilani doesn't take it and Ebedron takes something else, I'll take up the role if no one objects

I would highly recommend you for that

lol i played Poland in the old 21c rp(now moved to an easier forum) and it was fun. I need a little info on them, but i think i will be them.

Poland!

lol i played Poland in the old 21c rp(now moved to an easier forum) and it was fun. I need a little info on them, but i think i will be them.

Poland!

has Danard (the current Polish player) posted at any time in the last month?

has Danard (the current Polish player) posted at any time in the last month?

Danard hasn't posted for like 3 months.

We need a good Poland! Those scheming Germans and Scandics want to get rid of my precious Poland, and I certainly don't want them to do that...

Those scheming Germans and Scandics want to get rid of my precious Poland, and I certainly don't want them to do that...

Makes a lot of sense considering Poland...is my ally...and I'm the one whose brought Poland to where it is.

also, i looked at the poland thread, but there was nothing there telling me about the nation. Whats its side?

Its in the CSPS (SU is a big ally, so is Ukraine, Germany and Russia not so much). You're a democracy (to what degree is likely up to you, but Safehaven2, GB, and Parthini should know a lot.)

Poland is a member of the CSPS(Which includes me-the Scandic Union-, the Ukraine, Turkey, Kashgaria, the CAR and Azerbaijan.) Very bad relations with Russia and strained relations with Germany. Poland is a relatively new nation, you won your independence from the Union(Communist Germany and Russia) about 15 year ago in the 3rd Great War. Poland is sending its first man into space this year on a CSPS spacecraft. I'm the one whose been handling Polands economy and military since its an NPC. I'll send you a tg later with more info and you economic situation, which is pretty good.

SWEET im going into space. awesome. so do i got money and stuff to spend it on?

I'll send you your economic info in a tg later, like I said it is pretty good and expanding pretty well. Do you have AIM or MSN?

Poland is a member of the CSPS(Which includes me-the Scandic Union-, the Ukraine, Turkey, Kashgaria, the CAR and Azerbaijan.) Very bad relations with Russia and strained relations with Germany. Poland is a relatively new nation, you won your independence from the Union(Communist Germany and Russia) about 15 year ago in the 3rd Great War. Poland is sending its first man into space this year on a CSPS spacecraft. I'm the one whose been handling Polands economy and military since its an NPC. I'll send you a tg later with more info and you economic situation, which is pretty good.

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I would assume relations between Poland and Russia are probably fair, mainly because there are buffer states between them and Russia hasn't built up a massive military machine. Now relations between Germany and Poland on the other hand, those are probably tense, as the Germans do have a massive military, and there is no buffer state between them.

Aside from Russian displeasure over the continued occupation (in their view) of St. Petersburg, relations between the Scandic Union and Russia would be fair as well. Until the Russians discover that the SCT and SU are both funding the Siberian and Caucasian seperatists anyway.

cool. i get to not get along with Germany. sounds like fun.

can i setup a thread and become polAND? i would need info for the economy and military.

Also, what is this point thing??

The points determine economy strength and make things much more realistic, allows you to buy military units realistically, and in general makes for a much fairer RP

Sounds complicated. Can I play? SOunds like it might actually have some semblance of order.

It is. Probably, talk to Sharina and GB. Yes.

While you wait, think about a country you'd like, something small-medium sized, or pick an area and people can tell you what good choices would be.

WHose available?

In Asia, the Phillipines, Indonesia and Malaysia are the only nations left large enough to do anything with. Most RL African nations are free, except some in the south (under South African control), Egypt, Sudan, and Nigeria. Don't pick a tiny one (Gambia for example). In the Americas, Mexico and Canada, although you may want to get some practice on a smaller nation first. In Europe, Belgium, the Netherlands, or Portugal. Yugoslavia, Greece, and Turkey are also available. Greece may go on world conquest mode soon, if you're interested. GB also mentioned companies becoming PCs at some point, but we might not be there yet.

WHat's WOrld COnquest Mode mean?

WHose available?

Come to Burma, pretty pretty please!!!:p

It's not much right now but with a player behind it, it could get good.

WHat's WOrld COnquest Mode mean?

Greece in this universe basically wants to revive "Alexander's Empire"-or more simply, try to pwn all the Middle East and Turkey.

go for Burma and help us rule the world. It's so exciting, a new influx of members!:p

WHose available?

We need some African nations, if you're interested. Angola and the Belgian Congo will be getting independence soon, and each of those has a lot of natural resources, and will be reasonably well industrialized once South Africa and the US, respectively, are through with them.

To Ebedron:
You might want to check out the rules on economy: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10559619#post10559619

Of course I could always brief you on the basics if you like, though don't worry about making some common mistakes at first, you'll get the hang of it and the mods will be only too happy to stop scheming down each others throats and help you with Poland. :)

go for Burma and help us rule the world. It's so exciting, a new influx of members!:p

Actually, yeah we might need a Burma....

EDIT: Though some of the larger African states might be good too.

Alright let me read. ANd why is Burma so important? And I had to print that to have any hope of understanding it.

Alright let me read. ANd why is Burma so important?

no reason :rolleyes:

because it's cool to be an asian nation, and we have secret chats, plus we're the largest growing power bloc

K and how big is Burma?

no reason :rolleyes:

because it's cool to be an asian nation, and we have secret chats, plus we're the largest growing power bloc

Which is about to get pwned by the US.

It really depends on what you want to have your nation do in the middle of the 20th Century. If you could tell us what you would like to do (go to war, build a weak economy, interfere with other people, etc.) then it will be a lot easier to decide.

a population of 22 million, and recieving tons of aid from myself (Japan), China, USEA (Indochina), and Korea. More than that and you might want to consult the person who did Burma's builds

Parthini']Which is about to get pwned by the US.

It really depends on what you want to have your nation do in the middle of the 20th Century. If you could tell us what you would like to do (go to war, build a weak economy, interfere with other people, etc.) then it will be a lot easier to decide.

We wil bury them! just had to say that. Seriously though, I doubt that America would beat us if it came to war, and the gap is increasing as we (aka China) grows stronger

I'd like a country that's seperated from everyone physically so that it doesn't have huge invasion risks, but has the ability to watch and wait.

I'd like a country that's seperated from everyone physically so that it doesn't have huge invasion risks, but has the ability to watch and wait.

How does Madagascar sound? I control it at the moment (spoils of war from our WWII), but maybe we can work something out.

I'd like a country that's seperated from everyone physically so that it doesn't have huge invasion risks, but has the ability to watch and wait.

hmm that's tough. There are nations that aren't seperated physically but are protected, but there don't seem to be any good sized nation that can do that

Australia? New Zealand? Personally I want to make sure that I don't have 100% of the rest of the world invading me cause I got my economy fixed. Cause personally it's happened to be twice and I'm not in the mood for it again.

The Phillipines have the SCT backing them up and a good relationship with the US, and gets aid as well, though not as much as Burma.

Burma wouldn't exactly be the best then.

Mexico, Greece or Oman (which is Oman and the UAE) would be good choices. Mexico is safe with America but doesn't have pretty much any room for expansion. Greece is safe being away from most rivalries and has a good deal of room for expansion, although now its a bit on the warpath, athough that could change. Oman is in the Middle East which is very stable although it has a small rivalry with my ally the Arab Federation (Saudi Arabia/part of Iraq) and it has Western Arabia (Hejaz) as a client state, although its pretty close to Pakistan (Pakistan, India and Bangladesh) which is somewhat unstable.

However, there are many other places open, especially in Africa. The Congo would actually be a good choice too, since it's under the protection of America and is far away. Plus it also has resources to fund a good economy.

SO basically the only countries left are those with little to no economy and dependent on other countries.

Australia? New Zealand? Personally I want to make sure that I don't have 100% of the rest of the world invading me cause I got my economy fixed. Cause personally it's happened to be twice and I'm not in the mood for it again.

The game is a lot different. There are power blocs (SCT in Asia, EEC in Europe..) that ensure that war does not break out. People have fought 3 World Wars in 60 years and don't want to start again

Australia? New Zealand? Personally I want to make sure that I don't have 100% of the rest of the world invading me cause I got my economy fixed. Cause personally it's happened to be twice and I'm not in the mood for it again.

Those nations are currently unified and have a player. Besides, in our RP you have lovely things like the Americans and the UN to keep 100% of the world from invading you.

Those nations are currently unified and have a player. Besides, in our RP you have lovely things like the Americans and the UN to keep 100% of the world from invading you.


yea...only 99% do. The SCT offers you protection...

HMMM so Greece is the only other one. Mexico, I can't do for inner problems. HMMM I suppose the Phillipines would be fine. Now I gotta learn the rules of how everything works.

*grumble*

We really need a Congo...

HMMM so Greece is the only other one. Mexico, I can't do for inner problems. HMMM I suppose the Phillipines would be fine. Now I gotta learn the rules of how everything works.

Sharina is the Chief Moderator, Parthini the NPC Mod, Lesser Ribena and Galveston share duties as War/Military Mod, and I am the Economic Mod. You should send a TG to Sharina if you want to join, preferably with a couple of links to previous RPs of yours, as accepting new players is his jurisdiction. Any specific questions can be directed to the relevant mod.

EDIT: Parth is right, a Congo would be nice.

HMMM so Greece is the only other one. Mexico, I can't do for inner problems. HMMM I suppose the Phillipines would be fine. Now I gotta learn the rules of how everything works.

w00t we got another one!

HMM I already sent him a telegram, so I suppose I can talk with it in general there.

Sharina is the Chief Moderator, Parthini the NPC Mod, Lesser Ribena and Galveston share duties as War/Military Mod, and I am the Economic Mod. You should send a TG to Sharina if you want to join, preferably with a couple of links to previous RPs of yours, as accepting new players is his jurisdiction. Any specific questions can be directed to the relevant mod.

EDIT: Parth is right, a Congo would be nice.

don't forget your friendly fellow SCT members!

Depends on how nice you are to me. Besides if China is there what major thing is the Phillipines.

Depends on how nice you are to me. Besides if China is there what major thing is the Phillipines.

A really big naval base. Although we all make it a lot stronger. Japan, Pakistan (India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan), Burma, Phillipines, USEA, Korea make a very strong power bloc

Whatever.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=463059

SCT thread, were we will all be happy to help with your military, economy, etc., pending your approval (although I can vouch for him if necessary)

Maybe you should change the name from the Philippines into Airstrip One then :p

Nah screw it. I ain't playin. Personally I wanted to give this nations thing another chance, but I can't deal with people who are just a bunch of kids who plan OOC with stuff and then pull crap and then blame you for it. I am not dealing with it anymore. I tried, no. Bye.

... What?

Nah screw it. I ain't playin. Personally I wanted to give this nations thing another chance, but I can't deal with people who are just a bunch of kids who plan OOC with stuff and then pull crap and then blame you for it. I am not dealing with it anymore. I tried, no. Bye.

It's definitley different than the AOI thread you are talking about, a lot different. I urge you to at least try before quitting, you won't be gange dup on, and people are generally friendly here

Easy, the reason I left Nationstates before was because of these whole jerk offs who do OOC stuff behind the scenes to set up a fall if you actually complain a little bit and have the knowledge to back it up. So I ain't dealin with it. I tried, I did, and now I am leaving. I ain't risking my blood pressure going off because of them anymore.

And how do I know that? HMMM? How do I know that Voxio or others won't go through their linearity again and pull off that crap, and then blame me for it. Hmm?

Easy, the reason I left Nationstates before was because of these whole jerk offs who do OOC stuff behind the scenes to set up a fall if you actually complain a little bit and have the knowledge to back it up. So I ain't dealin with it. I tried, I did, and now I am leaving. I ain't risking my blood pressure going off because of them anymore.

If you really feel that way, then I am sorry to see you go, but again I will reiterate that E20 is completely different than most RP's, there's much less godmosing and very little ganging up on (I've never experienced either)

SIgh... I am tired, so I'll give it a go. I suppose a chance isn't too much to ask.

SIgh... I am tired, so I'll give it a go. I suppose a chance isn't too much to ask.

nope. Believe me, with the entire SCT behins you, no one will attempt to attack you (unless they're crazy)

Nah dude, I know it's bad, but I change my mind again. I just ain't built for the role playing here. So in the end I'm just going to quit Nationstates for good now. So, whatever man. Let others call me a quiter or whiner or whatever. I'm gonna go. Cause obviously I'm the wrong kind of role player here. Or a bad role player. So.. bye.

Sigh, fine I'll find out how this economic thing works until SHarina TG's me back or something.

brief Rp history of the Philippines
1900 - 01 Philippine Insurrection (historical)
1904 US promises Philippine independence by 1946 (historical)
1905 - 1934 Substantial US investment in Philippines, Filipino troops fight alongside American troops during 2nd Great War (1924-26) in Spain and France
1935 - 40 During Third Great War, US and Filipino troops fight side by side and repel Japanese invasion, Filipino troops fight alongside American troops in Mideast, Ukraine and the final invasion of Russia
1946 Philippines granted independence by US, US/Filipino defense treaty, US retains base at Subic Bay and Clark AFB,
1946 -present US continues to provide military equipment, training and support to Philippines military, and substantial investment as well. Japan pays sizeable reparations to Philippines post war up to 1955. SCT provides sizeable investment as well (builds Filipino merchant marine), US provides some assistance in that regard as well. At the present time, the US bases a fleet out of Subic Bay (figure about 10,000 US Navy and Air Force personnel plus some US Army advisors in the Philippines).

The Philippines therefore has close relations with both the US and the SCT. In addition, the Philippines has control over the Spratley Islands (with sizeable oil and natural gas reserves)

The US and Australia own most of the Pacific islands to the east of you, while the SCT is Southeast and East Asia. Russia is a neutral nation, while real life Indonesia owns part of Indonesia, Australia the eastern part, and Malayasia owns part of Bornea and Brunei (real life Malayasia plus Singapore and Brunei).

so can i be Poland? and learn all about it?

We really need to start a recruiting drive or something. We need a Russia, Congo, Greece (potentially), the SCT wants a Burma, plus there's plenty of other interesting playable countries.

A dedicated recruitment thread, or perhaps something else?

We can start with close friends. Does anyone have any NS friends who like to RP?

so can i be Poland? and learn all about it?

Sharina has final word, but I am ok with it as Danard seems to have vanished. If confirmed, will provide background tomorrow or Saturday

I'd like to give Ebedron a chance as Poland. I'd like to see how well he does- I believe in giving everybody a chance at trying something out.

Is Sukaida accepted?

Is Sukaida accepted?

He said he quit NS and RP'ing in general.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11026019&postcount=888

He said he quit NS and RP'ing in general.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11026019&postcount=888

Ah, I missed that one, I only saw the one were he said he would after saying he wouldn't. Whatver then

Ah, I missed that one, I only saw the one were he said he would after saying he wouldn't. Whatver then

Personally, I don't understand Sukaida.

He says he quit the first time, then he comes back and tries again in AoI. Then he says he quits AoI and then he comes to E20. He says "I wanna play in E20" then changes his mind AGAIN and says he quits.

When will he make up his mind?!

Meh. Some people are like that. I know I can be wishy-washy and even borderline whiny at times in RL. Good thing here, I'm actually having fun :p .

Anyway, a nugget of interest for those wishing to explore the possibility of a character RP further. I for one would like to see Korea's machines compete versus Triumph and Harley-Davidson in this one.

Korean Register

June 16th, 1960

Sports and Automotive Page

Korean Automotive Association announces plans to hold a Saigon to Seoul Rally


The KAA today announced to the world a proposal to host a Saigon to Seoul Rally, calling for a "test of skill to show that we can compete in the auto and motorcycle fields."

"We of the KAA have always espoused racing, and feel that Korean racers ought to be placed against their fellow Asians in friendly competition. It will increase Korea's stature, and help boost our auto industry-its a win win. So far, we have the Indochinese on board with us; they seem to appreciate the idea. However, we have yet to hear from other nations in the SCT, especially China. Their involvement would be helpful," said Rhoo Bak, KAA Chairman.

Suggesting a form of rapprochement and tension easing, Mr. Rhoo even suggested, "Perhaps even Western competitors could come into the race."

Well the fact I'm also borderline skitzo doesn't help either. BUt I think the final say will be that I'll be damned if I let some jerk offs drive me out. WHo they are and who they aren't I won't name. So I suppose the Phillipines.

And I am not whiny. I just complain alot when I see unfairness, for.... certain reasons. Or at least what I percieve to be unfair. So in the end my stubborness wins out.

Sorry for running you all in circles, it's just what my mind does.

The German Motorcycle Company Motorrad und Zweiradwerk announces its desire to put a racer into the Seoul-Saigon. (I know next to nothing about Motorcycles so you can pick one for me :p)

Parthini']The German Motorcycle Company Motorrad und Zweiradwerk announces its desire to put a racer into the Seoul-Saigon. (I know next to nothing about Motorcycles so you can pick one for me :p)

First off, Sukiaida, my apologies, man. I was taken offguard, that's all.

Second of all, Parth, you're in luck. I have a guide to motorbikes from DK, and it has a section on MZ. I'll enter in a modified version of the RE125, which was one of MZ's best during this time.

Yeah, and also I point out discrepencies which make people hate me even more, so I'm not a likeable person. Mostly cause I have the brains and people don't like their loopholes revealed, but whatever. Either way I'm here cause I'nm stubborn.

Suikada, you can be the Philippines.

If you decide to quit or stop RP'ing please let me know.

Parthini']The German Motorcycle Company Motorrad und Zweiradwerk announces its desire to put a racer into the Seoul-Saigon. (I know next to nothing about Motorcycles so you can pick one for me :p)

BMW makes very fine motorcycles (Bavarian Motor Works)

You're right!

Hmm...

I'm still mad you gave Volkswagon to the FNS. Now I can't have those freakin' cool commercials...

"German engineering. Vee duhb in da haus!"

Parthini']You're right!

Hmm...

I'm still mad you gave Volkswagon to the FNS. Now I can't have those freakin' cool commercials...

"German engineering. Vee duhb in da haus!"

You can easily replace all "Volkswagen" references with "BMW" references and then you can have your cool commercials. Simple, really.

guess where the VW Beetle is still made to this day...

Latin American nations

so... yes for me?
Im anxious to get into it.

Ebedron, I sent you a tg with the current info on Poland.

did you send in NS? or on here?

nationstates

so... yes for me?
Im anxious to get into it.

Yes, you're in as Poland. I'd like to see what you can do.

Kilani doesn't want to take over as Russia, so, I will if no one objects. Either I or Koryan can maintain Syrian NPC builds.

Kilani doesn't want to take over as Russia, so, I will if no one objects. Either I or Koryan can maintain Syrian NPC builds.

I am for it

Kilani doesn't want to take over as Russia, so, I will if no one objects. Either I or Koryan can maintain Syrian NPC builds.

Should make things interesting.

I have a general idea of Russian E20 History, but are there any treaties from WWIII I should know about?

ok i just want to make sure...

im buddies with the Scandanavian and other European nations(except Germany) and im cool with Russia?

Just catching up on my NPC builds for 1960 and for next year.

Did Nigeria absorb Cameroon and Benin?

Alright, that's fair. All I ask is a few days to study up on the rules cause personally they are complicated.

ok i just want to make sure...

im buddies with the Scandanavian and other European nations(except Germany) and im cool with Russia?

It's a little more complicated than that, if I catch you on MSN I'll explain it more fully along witht he whole economy/points thing.

I have a general idea of Russian E20 History, but are there any treaties from WWIII I should know about?

US / Russian defense treaty, and the US has a couple of airbases in Russia (1 at Sverdlovsk, 1 at Irkutsk).

Frequent exercises between US SAC and Russian air defense command occur.

Alright, I'll take a look at Kordo's thread and come up with a new one and Russia's build this weekend.

o if u need my msn its mikel989@hotmail.com

Italy - General Information (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=484785) <--- OOC thread is up.

My time as Syria may well have ended with a bang (unless Sharina decides to un-Russify me) To simplfy for those who don't feel like finding my thread and reading my last post there, a young and popular general went to Germany on vacation, something quite common. While there, he met with German leaders about trying to make them AL members. When he returned, he told the goverment about it. They were furious at him, completely overstepping his boundaries, and placed him under arrest for treason. They're mad at Germany for not questioning why the ambassador and such were'nt present, and went back to the foriegn relations debate with renewed vigor. Pro-SCT groups control roughly 50% of the government, the pro-Europe (Pro-France/-UK/-Russia groups banded together) bloc has roughly 33%, and pro-US has 5-10% (due to the fact that I didnt come up with specific numbers for each house). To approve anything, each house needs 66% majority. To ratify it, 2 of the three sections of government (Majlis al-Chaab, Majlis Watani, and the King) must vote in favor. So far the King has expressed no sentiment, but has been friendly with France, Russia, and the SCT, leaving his opinion unknown.

OOC: Syria is one of the more important NPCs, and its alliance is up for grabs (something that was in the making before I switched) Due to conflict of interest (NPC mod lost out, main mod stands to gain, so does GB) I would propose Malkyer take over this, although GB could as it would take a miracle to get a pro-US victory. Keep in mind Syria is a nuclear power (though chooses not to build bombs) and a space power, with ties to the AL and Nigeria (builds nuclear plants) and that there are 2 German bases in Syria.

Elephantum, which would you prefer to play- Syria or Russia?

Forget all the E20 "pressure" for a Russia and the demand for a Russian player... what nation do you, the player behind Elephantum, really feel and want to play?

I don't want players to feel "obligated" into playing nations. It'd be like me abandoning China which I've put a lot of work into to play a "needed" Poland or Brazil or whatever.

OOC: Syria is one of the more important NPCs, and its alliance is up for grabs (something that was in the making before I switched) Due to conflict of interest (NPC mod lost out, main mod stands to gain, so does GB) I would propose Malkyer take over this, although GB could as it would take a miracle to get a pro-US victory. Keep in mind Syria is a nuclear power (though chooses not to build bombs) and a space power, with ties to the AL and Nigeria (builds nuclear plants) and that there are 2 German bases in Syria.

I will give it some thought, and get back to you.

The question is whether Syria will align itself with Europe, the US, or the SCT, am I correct?

EDIT: Just saw Sharina's post, and I agree with him. After all, I'd be a hypocrite if I said anything else (I turned down Japan years ago because I wanted to keep South Africa). If you decide to stay as Syria, then obviously I'll leave Syrian issues to you.

Yes, pretty much. They feel like they need a backer, due to Turkey and the rest of the CSPS on one side and the not-so-loyal Egyptians on the other.

I will give it some thought, and get back to you.

The question is whether Syria will align itself with Europe, the US, or the SCT, am I correct?

EDIT: Just saw Sharina's post, and I agree with him. After all, I'd be a hypocrite if I said anything else (I turned down Japan years ago because I wanted to keep South Africa). If you decide to stay as Syria, then obviously I'll leave Syrian issues to you.

I beat you all, I turned down America.:p

here is my d/n thread for poland

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11037285#post11037285

Elephantum, which would you prefer to play- Syria or Russia?

Forget all the E20 "pressure" for a Russia and the demand for a Russian player... what nation do you, the player behind Elephantum, really feel and want to play?

I don't want players to feel "obligated" into playing nations. It'd be like me abandoning China which I've put a lot of work into to play a "needed" Poland or Brazil or whatever.

But to answer Sharina's question, I like Russia, not my area of expertise, but its great. I have an economy that can do something, a military that can function as well. Seeing industry grow is amazing. Syria was maxed at day 1, and only grew with population. While Syria is fun, Id just sit there researching space techs until WWIV came along, which, to whoever does its NPC builds, is what they likely will do.

hmm, I see Syria being less interested in an alliance except for the fact that Turkey has rearmed. So unlikely to be favorable to the Scandic Union.

The US and Syria have decent relations, but no real close ties, so an alliance is unlikely there. SCT would be a good source of military equipment, but so would the Ukraine / Poland or Russia, or the US, or UK.

Improving ties with Egypt would be a priority, and a possible discussion with Greece (which could lead to indirect talks to Russia) concerning the Turks would be reasonable.

My guess, the government hedges its bets and doesn't seek close ties with any alliance at the moment in hopes of getting a bidding war started between the Europeans and Asians regarding technology transfers. As it has a powerful military, and nuclear capability, Syria probably doesn't see the need to move quickly in this.

Although acquiring Baghdad and its Sunni population (and oil) would be a reasonable long term policy goal.

Pretty much true, except for a few things:
-Syria probably wouldn't go to talks with Greece, considering their long term goals including invading Syria
-Ukraine/Poland are allied to Turkey, so talks are possible but likely to be strained. The fact that the SU is in the pact isn't helpful.

Baghdad is an idea, but it will probably have to wait until the King dies and his son takes over.

I agree with GB; I think the wisest course of action for Syria at this time would be to play the major blocs (Europe, SCT, America) off of one another to buy time and remain relatively free of undue foreign influence...a modern-day Siam, as it were. Talks with Egypt, Greece, and Russia (in that order) seem like reasonable priorities, as does a long term-goal of gaining control of Baghdad, as GB pointed out.

Syria can afford to wait for some time, for several reasons that have already been stated (military, nukes, etc).

EDIT: I don't think anyone outside of the Greek government is too likely to take the whole re-unification of Alexander's empire too seriously...after all, Syria and Turkey have nukes (and/or the capability to build them), and anyway I imagine Greece's goal of conquering the Middle East and Balkans is a plan along the lines of my own dreams of dominating the whole of the African continent back in 1912: it would be cool, but it would never happen.

I checked Chatzy and here's what I found.

May 21 Update

Our plan is to keep trying to get access to and restore our valuable data for yet another week. If we are not successfull, we will put Chatzy back online around June 1 without historic data. Customers who have paid for Chatzy Plus will be given a new chatroom with the full amount of space originally purchased. In addition, we will make Chatzy Plus free for everybody for at least one month after we get back online.

So Chatzy should be up within a week or two.

EDIT: I don't think anyone outside of the Greek government is too likely to take the whole re-unification of Alexander's empire too seriously...after all, Syria and Turkey have nukes (and/or the capability to build them), and anyway I imagine Greece's goal of conquering the Middle East and Balkans is a plan along the lines of my own dreams of dominating the whole of the African continent back in 1912: it would be cool, but it would never happen.

It *can* happen. Nothing's impossible, really.

Once SDI comes in, nukes will become a thing of the past.

Remind me. Why is continuing a treaty of friendship not possible, especially considering Germany has TWO military bases in Syria and has steadily given 20 odd points to the Arab League for the past, oh, 10 years?

Obviously, AF oil will be difficult to obtain should Syrian/German relations weaken.

Yeah, and the Greek dream of Alexander's Empire is pretty much all words, to inspire the people. Most of the government is too prudent to try anything nasty, although, if the chance came up, they might try again at Turkey.

Yes, pretty much. They feel like they need a backer, due to Turkey and the rest of the CSPS on one side and the not-so-loyal Egyptians on the other.

OOC: Uh, Egypt isn't exactly a puppet of Syria. I have North Africa, East Africa, and the Middle East to look after. Just because I'm not giving Syria all of my attention doesn't mean I'm abandonning you.

Originally Posted by Elephantum
Yes, pretty much. They feel like they need a backer, due to Turkey and the rest of the CSPS on one side and the not-so-loyal Egyptians on the other.

Wow... Germany isn't a backer?

And someone explain to me how Syria would get Baghdad? I can guarentee you that the Arab Federation won't give up w/o a fight. A fight assisted by Germany, if Syria keeps up this habit of insulting their benefactors.

I have posted my 1960 NPC builds on the economy thread. I plan to have a few things kicking off in Rwanda and a few other African nations later. Rwanda will come first and probably tomorrow after I do this years builds. The Commonwealth (I have no idea how Rwanda became British, I must have purchased it from the Belgians back in the 1910's or 20's for the Cape-Cairo railway but anyway...) may be interested to help, and Britain will certainly be dispatching peacekeepers and UN/EEC/OA assistance will be sought.

There was a quasi-civil war in Rwanda in RL 1959 so this will be in place of that. The Tutsis will be jealous of the gradual loss of power to the Hutus and violence will erupt. Though reaction to it here should hopefully be better than in RL with membership of the Commonwealth of Nations meaning probable suspension from that organisation followed by a taskforce to quell the violence.

I'm not sure if this is where to do this but, I would like to be Portugal, as I see it is NPC... if you need some references go to theThe RP section of the DU forums (http://s13.invisionfree.com/democratic_union)

And sorry if this isn't the right place to do this at...

this is the right thread, just wait for Sharina's decision

Parthini']Wow... Germany isn't a backer?

And someone explain to me how Syria would get Baghdad? I can guarentee you that the Arab Federation won't give up w/o a fight. A fight assisted by Germany, if Syria keeps up this habit of insulting their benefactors.

doesn't have to be overt... after all, the Wahibis are further from Baghdad religiously and ethically then the more relaxed Moslems of Syria.

I'm not sure if this is where to do this but, I would like to be Portugal, as I see it is NPC... if you need some references go to theThe RP section of the DU forums (http://s13.invisionfree.com/democratic_union)

And sorry if this isn't the right place to do this at...

Actually, I change my mind, I don't want to be in the game...sorry:headbang:

The Wahabis aren't running Arabia anymore :)

I may not be on much for a while (family medical emergency), but I intend to return as soon as possible. I apologize for any inconvenience

I'd like to be Portugal... go to here if you want some of my RPing info... (http://s13.invisionfree.com/democratic_union)

What's the rush to be Portugal? It just finished blowing itself up in a civil war and doesn't have any colonies... What about Canada? Mexico? Greece? Syria?

Burma? Just had to throw that out there

I have posted my 1960 NPC builds on the economy thread. I plan to have a few things kicking off in Rwanda and a few other African nations later. Rwanda will come first and probably tomorrow after I do this years builds. The Commonwealth (I have no idea how Rwanda became British, I must have purchased it from the Belgians back in the 1910's or 20's for the Cape-Cairo railway but anyway...) may be interested to help, and Britain will certainly be dispatching peacekeepers and UN/EEC/OA assistance will be sought.

There was a quasi-civil war in Rwanda in RL 1959 so this will be in place of that. The Tutsis will be jealous of the gradual loss of power to the Hutus and violence will erupt. Though reaction to it here should hopefully be better than in RL with membership of the Commonwealth of Nations meaning probable suspension from that organisation followed by a taskforce to quell the violence.

I totally call sending the Imperial Guard in. They're supposed to be the best soldiers in the world but they haven't fought in a fight yet. Beating up some indiginous peoples is a good way to keep that rep.

That and I'm sure there are some Belgian speakers in there.

is there any place i should be involved in? i now remember how hard it is to maneuver through all the N/Ds. Anything i need to loook at? or can i do stuff to start something?

the CPSS or whatever it is. That's big with you, and the SU and Ukraine are big friends of yours

I am working on rules clarifications for the military thread and space thread (both of which I will recreate and post)

My internet access is flaky today, but hope to have everything up this evening.

I suggest tabling the discussion regarding tech advancement until then

Sharina, here be my new News thread. You didn't put it on apparently :\

AHem. THe Phillipines reportin for duty.

welcome, just put a D/N thread up and away we go! Anything confusing?

Yeah, can I have a link to a sample D/N thread. And still need to know my whole starting points thing. Sorry, been busy so still behind.

New military thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11058272&posted=1#post11058272

some rules clarifications, and also naval, air and ground forces each have their own post so that adjustments can be made easily.

Some significant rule changes, particularly regarding aircraft (some added), carriers (carrier air wings now given more accurate treatment), some changes in naval rules, and clarifications on nuclear, biological and chemical warfare. Ground units also modified (corps sized units for mechanized war included).

A seperate space thread is next, which is where space rules will be posted, and it would be the place to start posting missions etc.

Yeah, can I have a link to a sample D/N thread. And still need to know my whole starting points thing. Sorry, been busy so still behind.

Links are all on the front page, so there is a whole bunch of inspiration there.

If you have any questions, let someone know through a TG. I'm sure an SCT member or a mod will be happy to help.

New military thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11058272&posted=1#post11058272

some rules clarifications, and also naval, air and ground forces each have their own post so that adjustments can be made easily.

Some significant rule changes, particularly regarding aircraft (some added), carriers (carrier air wings now given more accurate treatment), some changes in naval rules, and clarifications on nuclear, biological and chemical warfare. Ground units also modified (corps sized units for mechanized war included).

A seperate space thread is next, which is where space rules will be posted, and it would be the place to start posting missions etc.


GB, you double or triple posted some things in the aircraft section.

GB, you double or triple posted some things in the aircraft section.

so I saw.. fixed now

Space. The Final Frontier.

and its thread

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11058884&posted=1#post11058884

which will be filled out hopefully tonight and definitely by tomorrow

So, you all were complaining about the lack of roleplaying? I just made a nice little story. A potential encounter for the Kaiserin and a potential Space Admiral.

Now I'd like to see a few others do some of their own. Then maybe people will stop complaining about how this game is just about number crunching...

ahh, but the US has Admiral Robert A. Heinlein (chuckle)

on a more serious note.. the first estimated human death due to AIDS occured in 1959. In this timeline, its going to show up earlier, as Africa is a bigger part of the world economy than it was historically in the 1960s, and estimates are that hundreds of thousands of cases of HIV positive people and active AIDs patients existed during that time in that region.

AIDs can't even be identified until tech level 8 either.

(an excellent history of AIDS can be found in the book "The Band Played On" and a very good NOVA 2 hour program concerning its history was on this evening. For those who don't know, NOVA is a PBS show, and can be generally seen again on Saturdays or Sundays depending on your location).

By the way, the estimate is that 70 million people have had AIDS since 1960.. historically. No remedy shows up until AZT in 1985 historically either (a tech level 8 drug).

At this point, 1961, AIDS would not be recognized as a disease, or even have shown up on the radar of the medical profession. Apparently a big impetus to it becoming endemic in the Congo River Valley was the small pox vaccination program administered by the UN in the early 1960s. Sadly, needles were reused on a large scale.

In this timeline, the US, Belgium and new Congolese government are already spending a lot more money on social spending in that area. So the triggering event is underway.

This thread has roughly 100 - 200 posts since the last time I updated the links, so I would like everybody to re-post their links that they want to be put up on the main post.

Please post (or re-post) any and all new factbook, news threads, alliance threads, new game mechanics rules, etc. if possible. Then it'll save a lot of time looking through 200+ posts in the past week or two. Besides the main post does need substantial updating anyway.

I have the link to the new military and space threads that GB posted a few posts above this one, but linkys for the other "new" threads needs to be re-posted.

ahh, but the US has Admiral Robert A. Heinlein (chuckle)

on a more serious note.. the first estimated human death due to AIDS occured in 1959. In this timeline, its going to show up earlier, as Africa is a bigger part of the world economy than it was historically in the 1960s, and estimates are that hundreds of thousands of cases of HIV positive people and active AIDs patients existed during that time in that region.

AIDs can't even be identified until tech level 8 either.

(an excellent history of AIDS can be found in the book "The Band Played On" and a very good NOVA 2 hour program concerning its history was on this evening. For those who don't know, NOVA is a PBS show, and can be generally seen again on Saturdays or Sundays depending on your location).

NOVA is an awesome show

But anyway, is there some way we can spend points for treatment or research into AIDS?

NOVA is an awesome show

But anyway, is there some way we can spend points for treatment or research into AIDS?

Probably, but only after Tech level 8 is reached (GB said AIDS won't be identified until tech 8).

NOVA is an awesome show

But anyway, is there some way we can spend points for treatment or research into AIDS?

incidently, it was Frontline, not Nova (my mistake)... part 2 of the show is on tonight.

No, no points on treatment for AIDs until it is actually identified as a disease, and initial spending will have to be spent figuring out what it is.

I will handle the spread of the Pandemic. Figure it will show up sometime around 1970, plus or minus a couple of years.

Ok is tech level explained in the economic sheet?

yea you're tech level 7

Let me guess, tech level is explained at the first page too.

actually yes, but you would be level 7 for a while I think, unles some changes are made. Might as well get a N/D thread up

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11042212

my new thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=479899

EEC/ESA thread

you have my old thread

space thread updated with rules ... please add your nations (or whatever alliance has a space program) to the thread.. Also the best place to post your space achievements each year

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11058884&posted=1#post11058884

a very interesting event has happened in Japan, see my factbook

This has been bugging me...

What will music be like? With no real Cold War, what will the Punk movement say? Will faster technology bring synthesizers earlier, thus bringing the traditional "80s" pop music into the 70s?

Damn alternate history...

Also, did Heinlein write all of his books? He better have...

Rwandan Crisis has begun:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11064819#post11064819

Here is my D/N thread, though I need alot of help. SOrry about this, I kinda got get all the sheets together and work is kinda keeping me busy.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11064952#post11064952

Added the Rwanda, Philippines, and new german thread. The EEC thread was already up in the main post.

Anyone else needs their threads put up?

Alrighty. Now to figure out the points system. But at least now I can get into diplomacy.

Chatzy Update:

They have switched to a new host and expect be be back up by June 5th.

See: Chatzy (http://www.chatzy.com)

Chatzy Update:

They have switched to a new host and expect be be back up by June 5th.

See: Chatzy (http://www.chatzy.com)

It says it will be back up, but WITHOUT historical data. I think that means we won't have our various E20 chat-rooms back. We will have to make new ones all over again.

i almost wish we could take this off Nation States. things like atafreeforum or invision is so much easier to manuever around. Its difficult to talk to allies or enemies or engage in wars when you have to go through a hundred different threads

I just use their private posts to find where it is. That's only about 10 to 15 threads.

Bookmarks are your friends, the only annoying thing is having to update them everytime someone makes a new thread.

Thats why we have this thread and the "main post" or so to speak. The "main post" has links to ALL the various E20 threads.

Besides, I'm VERY aganist moving this E20 off NS because when ANY RP moves off NS, it dies very very quickly. Believe me, I've experienced this more times than I'd like. The reason being that without exposure to NS there won't be new members interested in E20.

Sukiaida and Ebedron wouldn't have come across E20 if it was moved off NS, thus we wouldn't have 2 new players. See what I mean?

im in an rp off NS right now. It was started on NS, but we found this very difficult. As long as u make sure the people come, and keep advertising and showing off the story, i think it would be good. Yeah, im having trouble with these bookmarks. If there is anything dealing with Poland, can you place it on my D/n? i cant view all threads.

Secret IC:

China and the Scandic Union has agreed to a technology exchange. The exact details are not known, and the technology trade is done at the Chinese and Scandic embassies. This is done to minimize and eliminate any and all non-Chinese and non-Scandic intelligence and spies finding out the details.

IC: The United Islands of the Philippines would be curious if China would be willing to trade 1 of it's points of oil from the Statley Islands for other economic concessions.

IC: The United Islands of the Philippines would be curious if China would be willing to trade 1 of it's points of oil from the Statley Islands for other economic concessions.

China points out that it would be difficult, as it needs the oil from the Spratly Islands for domestic production.

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OOC:

In 1962 onwards, I have to import oil and I'll have to import even more oil in successive years (probably a few units in 1962, then 5 in 1963, then 10 in 1964, you get the idea).

Unless natural gas is adapted for military and automobile fuel consumption.

Alright, The UIP was just curious due to it's possible need of having more power for it's industrial plans. But we are sure we can make modifications. Just an attempt. We will continue to honor our earlier agreement.

Russia has extensive exportable quantities of oil, natural gas, and coal if the Phillipines needs energy.

Edit: Syria's thread is now NPC, my new Russian thread is: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=484814

Right now we are trying to see what we can do with our own resources to develop. OUr former government has left us in a fix due to it's status quo ideals. We would like get some things in order before we start to become energy dependent. Thank you for the offer, however.

Alright, The UIP was just curious due to it's possible need of having more power for it's industrial plans. But we are sure we can make modifications. Just an attempt. We will continue to honor our earlier agreement.

China will be more than happy to supply nuclear fueling technology to the Philippines so that it will be able to construct its own nuclear power plants. That way the Philippines will be able to power itself independent of oil and natural gas supplies.

Is there any more threads that I need to put up?

Whoah, 1000th post in E20. Pretty amazing that E20 has been around since mid-2005. How many NS RP's have lasted this long?