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Sounds good, AB. I'm glad to see other nation joining forces with Marx and the CAE. It really evens things out.

Sounds good, AB. I'm glad to see other nation joining forces with Marx and the CAE. It really evens things out.

Good for the conflict, other wise we coulda had a walk-over with both us in the region :P

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hey man, texans are awesome! but W can suck it up at times...
Yeah, it looks like the WEF is the key player here as the GGA has said they will follow them to whatever side they choose... But China getting involved would help, too.

Good for the conflict, other wise we coulda had a walk-over with both us in the region :P

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Yeah. I wonder what the GEACPS Peacekeeping fleet will do when the inevitable occurs and a naval skirmish erupts. With the carrier group coming to join the task force, their peacekeeping efforts will probably be all for nought. (No offense to either the GEACPS or USSM)

Yeah. I wonder what the GEACPS Peacekeeping fleet will do when the inevitable occurs and a naval skirmish erupts. With the carrier group coming to join the task force, their peacekeeping efforts will probably be all for nought. (No offense to either the GEACPS or USSM)

Yeah; we'd probably get more actively involved if China got involved but at the moment we'll probably work more behind the scenes with the AIA and An'La'Shok angencys doing black ops.

Yeah; we'd probably get more actively involved if China got involved but at the moment we'll probably work more behind the scenes with the AIA and An'La'Shok angencys doing black ops.

Yeah, so far the GRU is mostly planning bombings in gov't stations such as Postal buildings and airport terminals. What was your organizations planning?

***OOC KNOWLEDGE! NONE OF THIS CAN BE USED IC!!!1!***

Yeah; we'd probably get more actively involved if China got involved but at the moment we'll probably work more behind the scenes with the AIA and An'La'Shok angencys doing black ops.

come on man. thats practically a terrorist operation... Don't be gay. Either don't do anything, or attack someone (like GEACPS if they ally with marx)

You know what might be cool? If me and the WEF decide we don't like either sides agenda and form a third alliance. That would make things interesting (and confusing).

^
Dirik suggested something like that a page or two back. It would be interesting.

hmmm. I wasn't here for that. Yea, maybe he would join. Then it would be practically a new E.U. But that might not even happen, so... its all just speculation.

I fixed my last post so I'm pretty sure it's all cleared up now.

You know what might be cool? If me and the WEF decide we don't like either sides agenda and form a third alliance. That would make things interesting (and confusing).
Although it might cost me some "Red Cred," at the moment I can safely say that this would be my preferred option. Especially if we can get Czechalrus on board since my government and his are allied in all but the strictest formality, since ICly I got my stuff from him (including all those l33t ex-Ukrainian/Czechalrussian bobmers I fly...) back before we even formally opened relations; essentially through so many "under the table" deals to keep the stuff from being uselessly scrapped I reckon.

Although it might cost me some "Red Cred," at the moment I can safely say that this would be my preferred option. Especially if we can get Czechalrus on board since my government and his are allied in all but the strictest formality, since ICly I got my stuff from him (including all those l33t ex-Ukrainian/Czechalrussian bobmers I fly...) back before we even formally opened relations; essentially through so many "under the table" deals to keep the stuff from being uselessly scrapped I reckon.

so would you join this alliance?

god damn servers, crashes every night at 10. can't be much more consistent than that...

It reboots, not crashes. I'm central time too so I know what you mean.

so would you join this alliance?

god damn servers, crashes every night at 10. can't be much more consistent than that...
Yeah, rly my government can't be seen as helping Marxikhan the way he'd need right now (although DO note that when UR starts the big-time pwnage, I wouldn't be averse to helping secretly evacuate your government discreetly if you can go through Brazil and rendezvous with a sub I can send to meet you of Uruguay). But once I'm in, hopefully I can prevent a total massacre by at least covertly helping a government-in-exile survive and moving it to territory belonging to more powerful allies of his. Not to compromise our neutrality, mind; but just to show the UR that we're not going to let them run completely riot either.

come on man. thats practically a terrorist operation... Don't be gay. Either don't do anything, or attack someone (like GEACPS if they ally with marx)

Trouble is most our navy is still green water compliant; though we are starting to roll out more blue water navy stuff most of it won't be finished until at least 2015 ICly; but we will have wartime attrition too if we get into a war as resources will be put into tanks and aircraft more than the navy upgrade program and even though we have carriers now we're still building up our Anthip assault LPD's; so for us to get directly involved we'd have to be attacked by the GEACPS since its unlikely we'd start an offensive war though a Perl harbour Esc Attack or Port Blair would be a great way to start a war with us. its far enough away to be vunerable and is a major navel base.

Huh? What? NOOO!:eek: Im a bit confused....people forming a third alliance? thats a bit odd if you ask me, but maybe thats fear speaking....I dont know imo it should be two sides...not sure what to do next rp wise, guess im just waiting for UR/NAR to make their next move/someone else jump in(as opposed to forming some other random alliance)...

i posted another...post in the world war thread...when i log on tommarrow i hope to see some answers and a good ol' two party world war going on tommarrow~!:D :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :D

Given that pages upon pages have probably been written in the time I've taken to write this post, what is the current global conflict in brief? I understand that there has been some sorta WTC-esque bombing in Havana, but what are you guys plotting occly?

EDIT: If you need a reason for a European war to erupt, this small expansionist, socialist nation could help there. Perhaps re-ignite fervor for a global socialist order...

Oh please, start a war in Europe - I'd love it if you did. Despite sounding otherwise, the WEF has no real plans to be a major force in the South American conflict, but if you and the Balklands, Czech Replubic etc. start attacking Europe or Asia or whatever, the WEF would certainly be involved.

i think a NAR attk on T&T would be a great equilizer for the sides, because it would draw the WEF and maybe the GGA into the fight for marx.

Good idea - though, honestly at the moment I'm not sure I can handle a war on two fronts against America (maybe three if something happens in Africa) so I'd prefer a European war for now, but if that does not take off quickly enough then this would be interesting, god knows why the NAR would attack though.

Oh please, start a war in Europe - I'd love it if you did. Despite sounding otherwise, the WEF has no real plans to be a major force in the South American conflict, but if you and the Balklands, Czech Replubic etc. start attacking Europe or Asia or whatever, the WEF would certainly be involved.

Good idea - though, honestly at the moment I'm not sure I can handle a war on two fronts against America (maybe three if something happens in Africa) so I'd prefer a European war for now, but if that does not take off quickly enough then this would be interesting, god knows why the NAR would attack though.
Problem is I'm trying to bring Czechalrus into our third alliance.:headbang: It can serve to irk the UR against us, since Czecharlus can be portrayed by our propaganda the virtuous, neutral and true 'Kievan Rus' to the UR's 'Muscovite Despotism' as some might say, and thus put us in an interesting position versus Russia/Muscovy's traditional southern ally in Yugoslavia/Serbia. That is, once the time to decide has come of course.;)
Amazonian Beasts was eyeing the Caribbean before Marxikhan stole his thunder. For all we know, he may still have Jamaica on the table if ploughing through NPC nations to seize the Panama Canal and take the CAE in the rear sounds like a better idea than a frontal assault along the Rio Grande. Eh, AB?:p

Hmmm... seems like I won't have much to do, for now. Seeing as how my military is kind of in an inferior state at the moment, I suppose my current plans are basically to just stay neutral.

Speaking of military, i've been planning for a little while to launch a sweeping modernization and upgrade of my military; in order to do that, I need nations interested in selling equipment, sending officers to train the troops, etc. It may be a bad time to do so, as y'all may be a bit preoccupied by the coming war, but ICly we don't know about all that yet, right? It's still just a local conflict. ;) I'll post something in the IC thread soon about that; if you're interested in getting some cash and gaining a friend located the middle of nowhere, please help me out, yeah? :D

By the way, i'm liking the idea of a three-sided war. It makes things a wee bit more complex, and thus interesting. I'm looking forward to everything exploding in Europe.

Hmmm... seems like I won't have much to do, for now. Seeing as how my military is kind of in an inferior state at the moment, I suppose my current plans are basically to just stay neutral.

Speaking of military, i've been planning for a little while to launch a sweeping modernization and upgrade of my military; in order to do that, I need nations interested in selling equipment, sending officers to train the troops, etc. It may be a bad time to do so, as y'all may be a bit preoccupied by the coming war, but ICly we don't know about all that yet, right? It's still just a local conflict. ;) I'll post something in the IC thread soon about that; if you're interested in getting some cash and gaining a friend located the middle of nowhere, please help me out, yeah? :D

By the way, i'm liking the idea of a three-sided war. It makes things a wee bit more complex, and thus interesting. I'm looking forward to everything exploding in Europe.

Need weapons and troop training, eh? You know who to call.

Sorry, haven't been able to post all of yesterday. It's been a pretty hectic week (and another week to go, until tuesday).

I'll make a post later in the thread

Yeah. I wonder what the GEACPS Peacekeeping fleet will do when the inevitable occurs and a naval skirmish erupts.

You'll see, You'll ALL SEE!

Corbournne;12554213']You'll see, You'll ALL SEE!

Oh, snap.

Oh, snap.

Wait...

Hey! You're not supposed to say that yet. I haven't unveiled my plan for world uberdomination.

Okay...what did you have there again?

Okay...what did you have there again?

Uhm, I had something?

What ships?

ICly; if Mongolia wants to partion to buy some of our stuff we'll sell; we have one of the best tanks around in the Arjun and the Tejas is entering service at full production now. so poke the factbook and we'll work something out.

Marx: Do you have any major dams near heavily populated Areas if you could arange for your defence minister to be near one that'd be great?...lets just say Abbys going to take some..."loose interpretation" of those orders muhahhaa

What ships?

I have ships? Woohoo!

I was sort of thinking that IF, not for sure but IF, China got in against the UR, an air strike vs. the Three Gorges Dam would be quite interesting. The same goes for everyone else. If there's a dam, blow it up! Anyways, Marx, I'm still waiting for the okay to possibly blow up a post office or two in your country.

I have ships? Woohoo!

What the hell was I talking about...?

I was sort of thinking that IF, not for sure but IF, China got in against the UR, an air strike vs. the Three Gorges Dam would be quite interesting. The same goes for everyone else. If there's a dam, blow it up! Anyways, Marx, I'm still waiting for the okay to possibly blow up a post office or two in your country.

Yeah *grins* I'm hoping to Wipe out an entire city when the damn goes and pin it on the UR >.>

i'm going to invite mongolia to join the third alliance as well.

Yeah *grins* I'm hoping to Wipe out an entire city when the damn goes and pin it on the UR >.>

Not if I do it myself first!

i'm going to invite mongolia to join the third alliance as well.

Oh, snap. Not if I can help it!

What the hell was I talking about...?

I have no clue.

Not if I do it myself first!

that would be pretty funny; our agent just standing there wondering what the hell happened.

This third alliance is playing right into my hands :D

Marx and CAE-with all of them keeping their noses out of it, we're gonna tighten that noose and pull.

Wagdog: I'll probaly say that Jamaica and the Bahamas (the two I'm really looking at procuring) are secretly allowing staging grounds for an attack against Miami, and will then proceed to blast the tar outta them. I do intend on taking both before the war's over to strengthen my grip on the Carribbean.

Another Animarnian/GRU spy calamity!

Animarnian hit leader: Are the charges planted? We have to hurry.

Animarnian Agent 1: Yeah, just one more sec. And there! Let's get out of here!

Animarnian Agent 2: Yeah, get a move on.

Outside...

Hit leader: Okay everyone ready?

Agent 1: Yup.

Agent 2: Yup.

Hit leader: Okay on the count of three. One...two... thre...

URAF MiG 1.44 screams overhead and drops two massive bunker buster bombs into the dam, breaking it and flooding the city below.

Hit leader: God Damnit!

Agent 1: *Screaming in anger.

Agent 2: God, I hate them! Every god damned time!

I was sort of thinking that IF, not for sure but IF, China got in against the UR, an air strike vs. the Three Gorges Dam would be quite interesting. The same goes for everyone else. If there's a dam, blow it up! Anyways, Marx, I'm still waiting for the okay to possibly blow up a post office or two in your country.

I think UK the would suddenly sink. Destroying that dam would be like pulling the dragons tail. China would invaribly shoot down your planes though on route.

It was only theoretical. Not for real (hopefully never for real). Anyways, has China done anything about the war yet?

I think UK the would suddenly sink. Destroying that dam would be like pulling the dragons tail. China would invaribly shoot down your planes though on route.

Um, against the second best AF in the world? Good luck.

Bumped down Wagdog and the WEF to Dip. Grey, CAE and Marx to Dip. Red. My leadership is not kidding around this time.

I think UK the would suddenly sink. Destroying that dam would be like pulling the dragons tail. China would invaribly shoot down your planes though on route.

China's here. :p I'm interested to see what their reactions to events will be. Maybe finally a major world power will join with Marx, or for better for me, the Third Alliance - then we really would look menacing on Trinidad and Tobago.

China's here. :p I'm interested to see what their reactions to events will be. Maybe finally a major world power will join with Marx, or for better for me, the Third Alliance - then we really would look menacing on Trinidad and Tobago.

I need a laughing smiley...you are so close to my Florida-based ICBM launchers...

So Animarnia, I really think we should actually have my GRU operatives and your agents accidentally meet in Bogata planting a bomb or something. Not even joking.

look, as of now we aren't there to fight you, but to protect their soveriegnty.
It looks that if a move is made involoving T&T, it will be yours...

look, as of now we aren't there to fight you, but to protect their soveriegnty.
It looks that if a move is made involoving T&T, it will be yours...

Once your gov't makes it public, I gotta drop you to Con Gray too...sorry.

Frist and the nation are ticked off about the Terror actions, and with the Marx and CAE responses, the buildup of nations that have claimed "neutrality" but have responded rather negatively to the Republic are getting eyed by the military and OMI (whose goal, remember, is unrestricted non-nuke attack on Marxikhan).

Once your gov't makes it public, I gotta drop you to Con Gray too...sorry.

Frist and the nation are ticked off about the Terror actions, and with the Marx and CAE responses, the buildup of nations that have claimed "neutrality" but have responded rather negatively to the Republic are getting eyed by the military and OMI (whose goal, remember, is unrestricted non-nuke attack on Marxikhan).

look, I already made it public, but thats lame. I mean, how did I respond "negatively"? All i did was join a currently neutral alliance. And I would be more angry at the UR (even though they are your ally) than the WEF and me.

I responded in quite a negative way as to be honest I was not prepared for an American backlash, an Marx one maybe, but not American - plus I wanted to make things a bit more interesting than me just begging for you to be more friendly with us.

Oh, and if you read it, I edited it a bit so re-read it as it didn't make sense beforehand. Also, I used one of your OCC comments Kampfers, but it basically summed up what I was trying to say so...

look, I already made it public, but thats lame. I mean, how did I respond "negatively"? All i did was join a currently neutral alliance. And I would be more angry at the UR (even though they are your ally) than the WEF and me.

Why the hell would he be angry at me? I find it funny that because of an accident, the UR is labeled civilian killers and brutal. Since when did western nations care about one man in a third world coutnry who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

look, as of now we aren't there to fight you, but to protect their soveriegnty.
It looks that if a move is made involoving T&T, it will be yours...

I'm basically going off soon - I sent you a TG about the whole situation.

I'm staying out of this for now. China if provoked will attack, but so far nothing is happening directly in China's interest that would provoke war. Also....I doubt the UK can shoot down ICBMs. Theydon't have the technology. Not even the USA has a chance.

look, I already made it public, but thats lame. I mean, how did I respond "negatively"? All i did was join a currently neutral alliance. And I would be more angry at the UR (even though they are your ally) than the WEF and me.

Whups, then I'll move to my factbook in just a sec. Missed that post.

Negatively by my gov't is essentially the whole "hmm, American military aggression" in int'l responses-except for Animarnia and Russia-Frist considers this international passion to take down the Eagle and the Bear, and therefore is growing defensive. For a Real Life similarity: Franco-American relations after 9/11. France responded rather negatively, and as a result, France got their label absolutely crushed in America, and sentiment was not good for a few years for teammates on the UN security council and in NATO.

I'm staying out of this for now. China if provoked will attack, but so far nothing is happening directly in China's interest that would provoke war. Also....I doubt the UK can shoot down ICBMs. Theydon't have the technology. Not even the USA has a chance.

What are you talking about?

The USA right now has missile-intercept stations all over the continental US-and now I include Canada and Cuba into that defense grid. The UK, Russia, China, Japan, France, and Germany all probaly have anti-ballistic missile defenses.

Also: The world's largest supplies of ICBMs lie within two allied nations. As well, your ICBMs would take a very long time to cross the Atlantic...giving plenty of time for Alaskan-based, Hawaiin based, or Montanan-based (if they got that far) launchers to shoot 'em down.

As it is, however, I plan to keep my attacks to Marx and the CAE (and Brazil if H-T-T wants to get in). China, though, may come under scrutiny if you attack Russia or India.

So Animarnia, I really think we should actually have my GRU operatives and your agents accidentally meet in Bogata planting a bomb or something. Not even joking.

one of you should blow up a station while the other was still inside... that would be funny.

Why the hell would he be angry at me? I find it funny that because of an accident, the UR is labeled civilian killers and brutal. Since when did western nations care about one man in a third world coutnry who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Its part of that "this is bad" but then you turn around and do it yourself attitude that the western world has done for so long.

Whups, then I'll move to my factbook in just a sec. Missed that post.

Negatively by my gov't is essentially the whole "hmm, American military aggression" in int'l responses-except for Animarnia and Russia-Frist considers this international passion to take down the Eagle and the Bear, and therefore is growing defensive. For a Real Life similarity: Franco-American relations after 9/11. France responded rather negatively, and as a result, France got their label absolutely crushed in America, and sentiment was not good for a few years for teammates on the UN security council and in NATO.

Wait, france was ever liked by the US? I don't remember that. Maybe its jsut because i live in texas.

I'm going to make a thread with all the threads and factbooks in the first post, and edit accordingly. If you start a new thread/factbook, post the link in the thread, and I'll put it in. Also, if the idea flies, (@Wagdog) it could be helpful to put the link to the thread in on the first page or something. It's up to you of course.

France and the US were on good terms during the Clinton Admin, but after Jacques Chirac's rather not-good comments afte 9/11, that all hit the turf and the after-9/11 patriotism shot France's rep out the room.

France and the US were on good terms during the Clinton Admin, but after Jacques Chirac's rather not-good comments afte 9/11, that all hit the turf and the after-9/11 patriotism shot France's rep out the room.

yeah, so they might have been good with the pres. but texans have always hated those bastards. Save your ass twice and you cant support us?

Well, you'll all have a long posting time whilst in the UK we go to bed...I'll let the GGA speak for me, as he seems to be making sense...unless he does anything drastic. :p

Well, you'll all have a long posting time whilst in the UK we go to bed...I'll let the GGA speak for me, as he seems to be making sense...unless he does anything drastic. :p

k, but im leaving in 30 mins to watch the stars (GO STARS) so then Wagdog will be the only current member of our diversified alliance online (Democracy, Fascist, Communist)

Yeah, im pretty pissed off right now...the whole third alliance thing is shacking me up pretty bad...I dont understand why some people find it hard to not support either side but w/e...at least dont call your selves a "third alliance" because of your actions, Latin America is about to hit the breaking point. We are all small countrys that are about to be torn apart from UBER-military/random terror attacks. Im kinda dissapointed in this earth but maybe that just because my career in ESS is all over....:( :mad:

what do you mean?

Yeah, im pretty pissed off right now...the whole third alliance thing is shacking me up pretty bad...I dont understand why some people find it hard to not support either side but w/e...at least dont call your selves a "third alliance" because of your actions, Latin America is about to hit the breaking point. We are all small countrys that are about to be torn apart from UBER-military/random terror attacks. Im kinda dissapointed in this earth but maybe that just because my career in ESS is all over....:( :mad:

Marx, think about it this way. Animarnia is going to bomb something. You pin it on me and say I did it. Brazil, following the comments made before, would come to your aid. I would look like an asshole and deny it. Plus, How do you know that you are getting the brunt of the NAR attack? I'm sure as hell not going to launch a ground invasion mostly because it costs too much for me and I have nothing to gain. If the Third Alliance attacked the NAR or its allies, then I'm sure pressure would be alleviated on you and the CAE.

read my above post.

what do you mean?

Lets look at the vauge teams right now


team one

NAR
UR
those are possibly the two highest world powers right now
KoA

team two
Marxikhan
CAE
Brasil(realations a bit shacky)

Team three
WEF
GGA
Wagdog
Eastern Europe (cant remember the name sorry)

How is this a world war? A world war is a war with many fronts across the globe..and i guess this is it but team two will not be hear much longer with out the support of team three...I was hoping that this would become a fair fight between two sides, but my fears became reality when i have three third world countrys against the two most powerful nations! i dont care how many fronts the NAR and the UR are on they will still take us down and im fine with that as long as it was a fair fight, not my major citys getting bombed or flooded do to terror attacks, or getting bombarded by two complete overkill nations...:( :mad:

Look, don't quit. The UR isn't launching a ground invasion unless something seriously goes FUBAR in south america, and when I say that, I mean very very fucked up. Like you getting 100 ICBM's and threatening to blow me anf the NAR out of existence. I highly doubt it will get that far. So, the only thing you have to worry about is the NAR, but as soon as another front opens up in Europe, Asia or North America, the NAR will be forced to protect their interests there.

Maybe its just me in my first RP but i have grown a bit attached to my nation, i find it fun and dare i say it-cool. If i go out i want to go out with a bang, not a muffeld death, with the world focusing on their own agenda...

Maybe its just me in my first RP but i have grown a bit attached to my nation, i find it fun and dare i say it-cool. If i go out i want to go out with a bang, not a muffeld death, with the world focusing on their own agenda...

You've done a good job for your first RP so far, but here is a tip. Losing can be just as fun as winning. You can RP the insurgency and rebellion, then build it back up to a better position than it was in the first place. Empire building is very fun and exciting for everyone involved.

Look, don't quit. The UR isn't launching a ground invasion unless something seriously goes FUBAR in south america, and when I say that, I mean very very fucked up. Like you getting 100 ICBM's and threatening to blow me anf the NAR out of existence. I highly doubt it will get that far. So, the only thing you have to worry about is the NAR, but as soon as another front opens up in Europe, Asia or North America, the NAR will be forced to protect their interests there.

I never planned on quiting im just wondering why the third alliance dosn't mesh with Us..they dont have to help us even just not attack us and we wont attack them an you throw us in the same group..after all i coudnt hurt them considering that they do plan on attacking you anyway....

I never planned on quiting im just wondering why the third alliance dosn't mesh with Us..they dont have to help us even just not attack us and we wont attack them an you throw us in the same group..after all i coudnt hurt them considering that they do plan on attacking you anyway....

I don't know, it's just their own deal. But remember, Brazil has a very good military, Mexico and yourself have decently trained forces two.

I never planned on quiting im just wondering why the third alliance dosn't mesh with Us..they dont have to help us even just not attack us and we wont attack them an you throw us in the same group..after all i coudnt hurt them considering that they do plan on attacking you anyway....

1st off, we don't particularly like ur gov (see your invasion of T&T)
2nd, we have no reason to believe that they will attack us, but in the case that they do, i bet we can fight them to a stalemate. As long as we don't invade them, they have said that nukes won't be used. So we have a pretty good chance if we only fight defensively.

1st off, we don't particularly like ur gov (see your invasion of T&T)
2nd, we have no reason to believe that they will attack us, but in the case that they do, i bet we can fight them to a stalemate. As long as we don't invade them, they have said that nukes won't be used. So we have a pretty good chance if we only fight defensively.

Ok, it is your decision i didnt think it would hurt to have another couple of countrys in your mix tho :D


And i ment once the third alliance got started in the war, why not have us..i understand why not now but later? Then again it is your choice

im leaving now...

im leaving now...

Seeya later. So Marx, are you okay with a small scale bombing at a post office?

sure it can only boost patriotism, though i dont like the bombing of the dam's to much damage

I didn't plan the dam bombing, Animarnia did. I'll get to work on the post though.

sure it can only boost patriotism, though i dont like the bombing of the dam's to much damage

Marx, here's a tip to use:

If you do end up losing the war to me and my allies-your nation will not be a) subjugated, or b) destroyed. All you will likely face is a regime change-and Reperations. You may face some peacekeepers, but your nation will not be like Post-WW2 Germany. More like Post-WW1 Germany.

And if you seriously have doubts, here's my final piece of evidence to the overall safety of your nation.

I hoped to keep it secret-I haven't even talked to Wagdog about it yet-but once the war ends, I planned on (once approved) developing a story revolving around those aliens in Area 51. Essentially, I am in the works of planning an Independence Day (if you ain't seen the movie, it's a global alien invasion). The NAR will need as many nations as it can get.
That isn't final yet, but I feel that it can really promote this Earth and get some positive vibes. And if its anything, something like that would certainly be a reason to stick around if done well-it could go down as a spectacular RP.

As a conclusion: I plan to maximize my attack on the CAE, as my Southern neighbor, and on the Bahamas, Jamaica, and Puerto Rico. You and Brazil will certainly be more worried about Russia than me-but of course, I will send some forces down. But not as many as the CAE will face.

Marx, here's a tip to use:

If you do end up losing the war to me and my allies-your nation will not be a) subjugated, or b) destroyed. All you will likely face is a regime change-and Reperations. You may face some peacekeepers, but your nation will not be like Post-WW2 Germany. More like Post-WW1 Germany.

And if you seriously have doubts, here's my final piece of evidence to the overall safety of your nation.

I hoped to keep it secret-I haven't even talked to Wagdog about it yet-but once the war ends, I planned on (once approved) developing a story revolving around those aliens in Area 51. Essentially, I am in the works of planning an Independence Day (if you ain't seen the movie, it's a global alien invasion). The NAR will need as many nations as it can get.
That isn't final yet, but I feel that it can really promote this Earth and get some positive vibes. And if its anything, something like that would certainly be a reason to stick around if done well-it could go down as a spectacular RP.

As a conclusion: I plan to maximize my attack on the CAE, as my Southern neighbor, and on the Bahamas, Jamaica, and Puerto Rico. You and Brazil will certainly be more worried about Russia than me-but of course, I will send some forces down. But not as many as the CAE will face.

I don't want to sound like a copycat, but could I have a sort of secret collection of data on either A) Photographs from Russian sattelites showing alien craft, and/or B) Actual Specimens.

Marx, here's a tip to use:

If you do end up losing the war to me and my allies-your nation will not be a) subjugated, or b) destroyed. All you will likely face is a regime change-and Reperations. You may face some peacekeepers, but your nation will not be like Post-WW2 Germany. More like Post-WW1 Germany.

And if you seriously have doubts, here's my final piece of evidence to the overall safety of your nation.

I hoped to keep it secret-I haven't even talked to Wagdog about it yet-but once the war ends, I planned on (once approved) developing a story revolving around those aliens in Area 51. Essentially, I am in the works of planning an Independence Day (if you ain't seen the movie, it's a global alien invasion). The NAR will need as many nations as it can get.
That isn't final yet, but I feel that it can really promote this Earth and get some positive vibes. And if its anything, something like that would certainly be a reason to stick around if done well-it could go down as a spectacular RP.

As a conclusion: I plan to maximize my attack on the CAE, as my Southern neighbor, and on the Bahamas, Jamaica, and Puerto Rico. You and Brazil will certainly be more worried about Russia than me-but of course, I will send some forces down. But not as many as the CAE will face.

Plus he has me as a back-up plan. Which might work out in Africa, who knows.

I don't want to sound like a copycat, but could I have a sort of secret collection of data on either A) Photographs from Russian sattelites showing alien craft, and/or B) Actual Specimens.

Yeah, if you want your own Area 51 kinda thing, go ahead. After all, supposedly they already visited (according to my history)-so doubtless they wouldn't just visit the Southwestern Continental United States.

That'd probaly help in the RP, because I don't really know how much experience any of you have in RPing FT...and if I were to do it, I'd probaly end up raping America with particle beams (I'd attack based on pop density likely, and America therefore would be priority numero uno in that regard, likely, due to the number of large, first-world cities).

I recently found information on a supposed raid on Baikonur Cosmodrome by Extra-terrestrials in '82. This could make for a good background story, something like aliens attacking it and the Spetsnaz pushing them out.

This is mainly to check my immense boredom, but please tell me most of southern africa is still available.

If it is, I would like to claim South Africa, Lesotho, Swaziland, Namibia, Botswana, Mozambique, Zambia, and Malawi, and Madagascar. It will be known as the South African Dominion

It is.

This is mainly to check my immense boredom, but please tell me most of southern africa is still available.

If it is, I would like to claim South Africa, Lesotho, Swaziland, Namibia, Botswana, Mozambique, Zambia, and Malawi, and Madagascar. It will be known as the South African Dominion

You could link supposed contact with them-that could work (and it could lead to a better defense than the lame-O Earth forces in the movie originally provided).

Granate: I believe all said nations are open. You'll have to wait for Wagdog to ok it and add it, however.

Like a satellite sighting a few months before they hit?

You could link supposed contact with them-that could work (and it could lead to a better defense than the lame-O Earth forces in the movie originally provided).

Granate: I believe all said nations are open. You'll have to wait for Wagdog to ok it and add it, however.

Please not this is for my boredom, which with SYAE being a little dry right now I need a place to RP.

I'd say it could. I doubt anyone else would claim it on its own.

Please not this is for my boredom, which with SYAE being a little dry right now I need a place to RP.

Well, we got plenty of that (RPing, not boredom). You can even repulse the Futuris advances on Africa (or EUROPE you could get involved because Tunisia is on the MEDITERRANEAN hint hint :P)

Oh, and Wagdog: If you need, I'll handle the Tunisian campaign with Futuris; I'm already versed in the region due to my claims in SYAE.

Also can Zimbabwe be added to that list, because I forgot it was there.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12555498#post12555498

Here it is. If I missed anything, please notify me there, not here. It will be much easier to keep that thread for IC Thread/Factbook notifications, so please don't litter it with OOC comments.

I hope it's okay :)

Well, we got plenty of that (RPing, not boredom). You can even repulse the Futuris advances on Africa (or EUROPE you could get involved because Tunisia is on the MEDITERRANEAN hint hint :P)

Oh, and Wagdog: If you need, I'll handle the Tunisian campaign with Futuris; I'm already versed in the region due to my claims in SYAE.

I would advise against that...

If you could rp for Tunisia, AB, that would be great. Of course, please try your best not to be biased, and think of what the Tunisian leaders might be thinking - if it comes to war, they will die. If it comes to peaceful terms, they can join in the EF market (which should actually be an economic plus) and bolster their overall nation in economy.

I would advise against that...

If you could rp for Tunisia, AB, that would be great. Of course, please try your best not to be biased, and think of what the Tunisian leaders might be thinking - if it comes to war, they will die. If it comes to peaceful terms, they can join in the EF market (which should actually be an economic plus) and bolster their overall nation in economy.

It probaly won't come to war...though I'll probaly keep around a little rebel group (like Muslim countries do, No offense any Muslims here!).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12555498#post12555498

Here it is. If I missed anything, please notify me there, not here. It will be much easier to keep that thread for IC Thread/Factbook notifications, so please don't litter it with OOC comments.

I hope it's okay :)

Thanks for doing that man!

Thanks for doing that man!

No problemo.

I'm concerned that I left an IC Thread out. I've heard of an invasion of "T&T" (what's T&T?) and I don't know if I have it. If I missed any due to my absences near the beginning of ESS, fill me in in the thread.

It probaly won't come to war...though I'll probaly keep around a little rebel group (like Muslim countries do, No offense any Muslims here!).

first off Futuist's is a muslim empire....im not going to mention my second opinion :D

Marx, are you going to respond to the bombing in Bogota?

No problemo.

I'm concerned that I left an IC Thread out. I've heard of an invasion of "T&T" (what's T&T?) and I don't know if I have it. If I missed any due to my absences near the beginning of ESS, fill me in in the thread.

Trinidad and Tobago. The thread was under CNN news conference or something.

first off Futuist's is a muslim empire....im not going to mention my second opinion :D

I was actually referring to Iraq, but Tunisia is Muslim too.

Yeah, AB, what kind of things are these aliens using? J/w. Is this like uber ownage Independance Day Aliens or are they slightly less cheap War of the Worlds type creatures? I would prefer the latter of the two so Earth actually stands a chance, but it's up to you.

As long as we get that far, (and I never saw War of the Worlds, so don't get me :P), I don't intend for them to be "CITY...SMASH!" like Independence Day.

The goal I'm aiming towards would probaly best be a mix of the Jem'Hadar from "Star Trek" with the Covenant from Halo (without all the planet bombing). That'd seem to give the best chance of success for the humans (I mean, Master Chief does it for a good deal...). That way, they ain't gonna obliterate stuff, but they'll come planetside and the tech will give them the edge...but the numbers and innovation of humanity will prevent Earth from being wiped.

Obviously, like any invasion would probaly go, my initial plan would probaly be them taking out a chunk from humanity at the beginning.

Hey AB, what kind of aliens are they? Are they like a hive-mind insect race or a sentient bipedal race? And one thing they aliens need to worry about on the ground...bacteria and viruses. The aliens are totally new to them and even the simplest disease would probably kill them.

Hey AB, what kind of aliens are they? Are they like a hive-mind insect race or a sentient bipedal race? And one thing they aliens need to worry about on the ground...bacteria and viruses. The aliens are totally new to them and even the simplest disease would probably kill them.

Having a hive-insect race would be awesome, especially if the queen of all landing forces actually landed on Earth.

Note: I hope that whatever these aliens have, it's not too FT - aliens are possible with MT too, and that would be much more plausible too, and probably more fun to RP. Also, there could always be several nations opposing you and in favor of the aliens - perhaps we should get someone to actually RP them as a nation? That would sound much cooler - the aliens could forge alliances, capture lands, and whoever doing it could start up a factbook (no godmodding). There was that one guy who wanted an "ancient alien" species in Antarctica or something, but he's been away for some time. But it's really up to you (and Wagdog too, I suppose)

@Candistan - can you give me a link to the T&T thing (in the thread/factbook thread? that would be great, thx. I'm thinking about having "archive threads" or something, to have old IC threads not in use anymore in there too)

It probaly won't come to war...though I'll probaly keep around a little rebel group (like Muslim countries do, No offense any Muslims here!).

Well, they can't fight for religious reasons, as we're both Muslim countries.

But other than that, I'm fine. One of the reasons I make sure to have around 35% of my forces guirella-trained, in the army. I don't think we need a seperate thread for that - you could probably just put off a few attacks or something in the Fusing the Spark thread. Unless suddenly a lot of countries start supporting you, and your little faction turns into a widespread terrorist force bent on destroying my empire. Hopefully not.

This is mainly to check my immense boredom, but please tell me most of southern africa is still available.

If it is, I would like to claim South Africa, Lesotho, Swaziland, Namibia, Botswana, Mozambique, Zambia, and Malawi, and Madagascar. It will be known as the South African Dominion

Also can Zimbabwe be added to that list, because I forgot it was there.

As long as we get that far, (and I never saw War of the Worlds, so don't get me :P), I don't intend for them to be "CITY...SMASH!" like Independence Day.

The goal I'm aiming towards would probaly best be a mix of the Jem'Hadar from "Star Trek" with the Covenant from Halo (without all the planet bombing). That'd seem to give the best chance of success for the humans (I mean, Master Chief does it for a good deal...). That way, they ain't gonna obliterate stuff, but they'll come planetside and the tech will give them the edge...but the numbers and innovation of humanity will prevent Earth from being wiped.

Obviously, like any invasion would probaly go, my initial plan would probaly be them taking out a chunk from humanity at the beginning.

Hey AB, what kind of aliens are they? Are they like a hive-mind insect race or a sentient bipedal race? And one thing they aliens need to worry about on the ground...bacteria and viruses. The aliens are totally new to them and even the simplest disease would probably kill them.

Having a hive-insect race would be awesome, especially if the queen of all landing forces actually landed on Earth.

Note: I hope that whatever these aliens have, it's not too FT - aliens are possible with MT too, and that would be much more plausible too, and probably more fun to RP. Also, there could always be several nations opposing you and in favor of the aliens - perhaps we should get someone to actually RP them as a nation? That would sound much cooler - the aliens could forge alliances, capture lands, and whoever doing it could start up a factbook (no godmodding). There was that one guy who wanted an "ancient alien" species in Antarctica or something, but he's been away for some time. But it's really up to you (and Wagdog too, I suppose)

@Candistan - can you give me a link to the T&T thing (in the thread/factbook thread? that would be great, thx. I'm thinking about having "archive threads" or something, to have old IC threads not in use anymore in there too)
OK, hope I didn't miss too much while I was at work and at least caught the essentials. South African Dominion Approved, Granate, and adding now. Also, I saw the aliens' foreshadowing in your factbook AB, and ABSOLUTELY APPROVED!:D:cool: All that sounds r0xz0rz, extreme-to-the-max (LOL), and is defintely the hook to take this Earth to the next level I'd say. If you need a secondary invasion site or such, I'd volunteer my country as the first of the neutrals to be hit; on Guam since our air forces and fleet there are probably about as intimidating as a nation our size can get, and the invaders won't want to take any chances leaving that kind of firepower around even in small numbers I'd bet. Plus, my islands are ideal guerrilla warfare territory and the history section I put up tomorrow will explain just how good both my army and senior leadership are at that sort of stuff; both having originated as part of a "Pacific Revolutionary Front" during the last years of Nixon and Vietnam, after American leftist expatriates got lucky with a Quixotic "Revolution" in the Solomons and beyond as the British Empire progressively pulled out and such (essentially my founders were an actually-serious parallel to the RL Symbionese Liberation Army, another reason your country can downgrade me to Dip. Grey of course...:p).

Futuris: I'd be happy to oppose any forceful invasion of Africa, seeing as it is near me, call it no better than the imperialism we did years ago which you have such a distaste for. Though I won't go on a full out assault, just defend and lend a secret helping hand to some countries that don't want to be part of a united Africa.

Are there any current conflicts I should know about and such?

Are there any current conflicts I should know about and such?
Well, since I caught this to update Granate's claim into the OP before bed, we're about to get our own World War going here; with the UR, NAR and Animarnia on one side, Marxikhan and Brazil plus the CAE on the other, and me/WEF/GGA/you too if you want in on a third side trying to stay out of the crossfire until we have no choice. Also, there's going to be an alien invasion sometime in this whole blowup I think, the result of America's IC playing around with too much stuff at Area 51 and Russia's equal shenanigans around Kapustin Yar and such. My country will be among the first hit by the aliens, a cross between Halo's The Covenant and Star Trek's Jem'Hadar; meaning, nasty warrior-fundamentalist types I think. In short, lots of fun to be had; so long as you don't mind possibly having to lose your country and RP fighting the resistance effort needed to get it back...;)

Hold up... an alien invasion? How'd I miss that? :eek:

As for the question of Mongolia joining the third alliance: depends. I'm still mulling over asking Russia to help reform my military; if I did that, i'd probably be drawn solidly into the NAR/UR faction. I'll make a decision on that later today, when I have some time. (At the moment, i've got a class, so ta-ta for now.)

I wish for my country to be called República Argentina, I will post a fact book soon.

Yeah, like AB said before, I think about a month before the aliens come a Russian satellite might see it and the gov't goes insane, calling up reserves and opening the armories for conscription if necessary. Also, a little off topic, but would it be possible for the UR to go back into researching some "unconventional" weapons, such as they did in the cold war? They could come in handy if the invasion was bad enough.

No offense but aliens suck. I rather not see this happen because it constitutes poor RP and just isn't fair.

I'll get my factbook done today.

Just so you all know, SAD, lol at the acronym, will be nominally in support of NAR and UR, but don't expect them to do anything.

I will be supporting them because, South Africa's Military Equipment is lacking. I may the Gripens for my airforce, but I need an MBT, LAV, IFV, and APC for my army. The Artillery can be easily upgraded. My navy... is sadly almost null, but hey I can improve that later with help from the UR and NAR.

Granate: I'd be willing to sell you the Kitty Hawk once you've shown that your on our side (and things start to simmer off).

Candistan: I'd probaly mix up a few different races into one Collective-style alien "faction" rather than "race"-so they may share the same mindset, but I may have a hive-mind bug group in there with some arboreals. (That could parrallel with Star Trek's Xindi species-and lead to some interesting things).
As for the unconventional warfare, I'd say if your gov't could justify it more as a "research project" rather than a feasible weapons system (at least, at first), then it'd probaly pull off better before anything actually started up.

Futuris: I wouldn't have them at the sort of FT I usually play at (which would be like, blowing up continents in one shot). I'd probaly play at a high-PMT/Low-NFT level. The reason it'd probaly be better to give them some sort of a tech advantage (not extreme, of course, but better than the rest of us) would be to mix things up and change some strategies. If they stayed at MT, it would likely only change the social fabric of the Earth, while the military side wouldn't change all too much. This way (ie, the Scrin from the most recent C&C game) would force nations to take reactions and could at the same time heal a lot of the wounds from this war.

Wagdog: If you'd like them to hit your nation, that'd be sweet-cause then we could get into air and naval engagements over the ocean.

DPW: The NAR can sell you some weapons :P of course, that would constitute you coming on our side.

Eralineta: I'll probaly launch a poll before any alien thing would actually start, just to measure reaction. If a majority would say no to the idea, than we would nix it. Though really, FT RPs (the derivative of alien RPs) can actually be great...just look at Chronosia and Coreworlds, two of the best RPers in NS. Also, I can balance out any sort of alien faction attacking with a sheer lack of numbers-Earth, naturally, will solidly have an advantage in that, because no faction is going to off-the-bat commit billions of personnel into a planetary invasion-that's not good strategy, unless you want to leave your flank of your galactic civilization open.

Futuris again: About the Tunisia thing: I could make the terrorists into a major faction like Al-Quaeda (SP MAJOR) to spice things up...but you can be assured that if I did that, they wouldn't focus their assault on you, but spread out across the globe. This could also go great if such aliens attacked...because than they could go hand-in-hand with my corrupt intel branch and try to sell out people. I'll get to RPing the Tunisian stuff in a bit here.

Just so you all know, SAD, lol at the acronym, will be nominally in support of NAR and UR, but don't expect them to do anything.

I will be supporting them because, South Africa's Military Equipment is lacking. I may the Gripens for my airforce, but I need an MBT, LAV, IFV, and APC for my army. The Artillery can be easily upgraded. My navy... is sadly almost null, but hey I can improve that later with help from the UR and NAR.
Well, you have the Olifant II total-rebuild of the Centurion that can match a Leopard II fairly well when fitted with the 120mm gun; plus several experimental Rooikat variants that never made it, including a very Stryker-like IFV to match the already pwnz0r armored car; plus there's the Ratel series and Mambas which are all mine-protected, and artillery that is second-to-none even today. What's so lacking?:p
Remember what I said in the OP: Here you can just substitute out the stuff you don't want for the stuff you do, so long as the switches made are reasonable such as fewer but advanced items in place of a larger but less-advanced RL arsenal for your territories; or alternately a larger but less-advanced arsenal in place of a supposedly "better" RL one should you decide numbers are what you want. Arsenals are only fixed when your factbook is declared done; before that, you can design the military you want to start with since all RL tech is "open" here and you can also bring in your NS tech so long as it's at least discussed with us first (this includes the smaller SDs if you wish, although your non-capital navy should obviously take appropriate reductions to make room for any supercapitals you field). Cool?:cool:

Futuris again: About the Tunisia thing: I could make the terrorists into a major faction like Al-Quaeda (SP MAJOR) to spice things up...but you can be assured that if I did that, they wouldn't focus their assault on you, but spread out across the globe. This could also go great if such aliens attacked...because than they could go hand-in-hand with my corrupt intel branch and try to sell out people. I'll get to RPing the Tunisian stuff in a bit here.

AB, are you RPing Tunisian resistance then? I think if there is a proper conflict in Africa a separate thread should be made if it kicks off, as it will be confusing (for me anyway) to have two different conflicts in different continents one thread. That's assuming Tunisia don't just give in and there is no conflict...

Well, you have the Olifant II total-rebuild of the Centurion that can match a Leopard II fairly well when fitted with the 120mm gun; plus several experimental Rooikat variants that never made it, including a very Stryker-like IFV to match the already pwnz0r armored car; plus there's the Ratel series and Mambas which are all mine-protected, and artillery that is second-to-none even today. What's so lacking?:p
Remember what I said in the OP: Here you can just substitute out the stuff you don't want for the stuff you do, so long as the switches made are reasonable such as fewer but advanced items in place of a larger but less-advanced RL arsenal for your territories; or alternately a larger but less-advanced arsenal in place of a supposedly "better" RL one should you decide numbers are what you want. Arsenals are only fixed when your factbook is declared done; before that, you can design the military you want to start with since all RL tech is "open" here and you can also bring in your NS tech so long as it's at least discussed with us first (this includes the smaller SDs if you wish, although your non-capital navy should obviously take appropriate reductions to make room for any supercapitals you field). Cool?:cool:

Fine, but I would rather have something better then the Olifant II, but I'll probably switch out many of T-55 and Type 55 Tanks the other african nations I control have for Olifants. I'll probably end up with around 500 Olifant IIs.

The Rooikat looks good, but I want something thats more versatile, IE the a more Stryker Type Vehicle that can do more. The Rooikat and the Stryker are similiar vehicles, both being LAVs.

The Mamba is unarmed, which doesn't work well with my military doctrine. Which calls for rapid armor insertion with infrantry support. I may update the Mamba to include a machine gun or auto-cannon.

I am still going to need an upgrade to the Olifant, and I will probably shop for one.(HINT HINT!) Also I will probably need to find an update for my Assault Rifle.

AB: Yea, I may buy it. It will be the flagship of the Dominion Navy.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524439

My factbook, although not done. It's got the basics down.

Granate: I'd be willing to sell you the Kitty Hawk once you've shown that your on our side (and things start to simmer off).

Candistan: I'd probaly mix up a few different races into one Collective-style alien "faction" rather than "race"-so they may share the same mindset, but I may have a hive-mind bug group in there with some arboreals. (That could parrallel with Star Trek's Xindi species-and lead to some interesting things).
As for the unconventional warfare, I'd say if your gov't could justify it more as a "research project" rather than a feasible weapons system (at least, at first), then it'd probaly pull off better before anything actually started up.



A mix, eh. That sounds cool. I have one request though. Have you ever played Gears of War? If so, you know the wretches? Things like them would be cool. (Small, Scampering around on walls and cielings, high pitched, glass-shattering scream, loping gait, etc.)

A mix, eh. That sounds cool. I have one request though. Have you ever played Gears of War? If so, you know the wretches? Things like them would be cool. (Small, Scampering around on walls and cielings, high pitched, glass-shattering scream, loping gait, etc.)

But, Wretches aren't aliens, the Locust came from underground not outerspace.

Yeah, I know. I was talking about a race based off of them. You obviously play Gears. So how scary do you think it would be for some soldiers to be walking through a shopping mall or something and then they let out the horrid scream. I can't even write it out, but you know what it sounds like :)

The most recent map (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/earthss-4.png).

Yeah, I know. I was talking about a race based off of them. You obviously play Gears. So how scary do you think it would be for some soldiers to be walking through a shopping mall or something and then they let out the horrid scream. I can't even write it out, but you know what it sounds like :)

Most would probably be scared for the whole 10 second scream they have. After that, the adrenaline kicks in and most would find a way to fight them off. If they are based of wretches that means they are very weak and can't take a beating.

Most would probably be scared for the whole 10 second scream they have. After that, the adrenaline kicks in and most would find a way to fight them off. If they are based of wretches that means they are very weak and can't take a beating.

Yes, but they are still scary as hell. And a swarm of them would probably be effective to eliminate large groups of soldiers.

Oh and my Factbook is ready for Diplomacy.

Yes, but they are still scary as hell. And a swarm of them would probably be effective to eliminate large groups of soldiers.

Not really, soldiers are trained to handle fear. More often then not they would find the wretches and eliminate them. If it happened in a confined area, in the dark then yea I could see that. But still the soldiers would soon find the threat and eliminate it.

Not really, soldiers are trained to handle fear. More often then not they would find the wretches and eliminate them. If it happened in a confined area, in the dark then yea I could see that. But still the soldiers would soon find the threat and eliminate it.

On second thought, they are pretty ineffective. Maybe something with wretchlike qualities but larger and a little more tough would be better.

The most recent map (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/earthss-4.png).

hey i finally got some neighbors!

Cooks, you're the country in the middle of Africa, right?

hey i finally got some neighbors!

Besides me....or do you not count fascist and imperialistic countries as suitable "neighbors"?

/threatening

Futuris: I'd be happy to oppose any forceful invasion of Africa, seeing as it is near me, call it no better than the imperialism we did years ago which you have such a distaste for. Though I won't go on a full out assault, just defend and lend a secret helping hand to some countries that don't want to be part of a united Africa.

Well...the combined forces of the United Kingdom, France, Spain, and Portugal against a few African countries? I mean, come on, what threat do I pose to you? Exactly. Nothing. /ooc diplomacy

Futuris again: About the Tunisia thing: I could make the terrorists into a major faction like Al-Quaeda (SP MAJOR) to spice things up...but you can be assured that if I did that, they wouldn't focus their assault on you, but spread out across the globe. This could also go great if such aliens attacked...because than they could go hand-in-hand with my corrupt intel branch and try to sell out people. I'll get to RPing the Tunisian stuff in a bit here.

Well, perhaps, but you have to remember that terrorist factions like Al-Quaeda are so huge primarily because of religion. "America is not Muslim. Death to America." Obviously that's not the only reason - but it's the main reason they use to recruit new people. As I said, Tunisia joining me is like Alaska joining the United States. Although the people of Alaska maybe didn't want to (like the Indians there) it was done, and then Alaska was greatly improved by the United States, and living conditions definitely got better.

You see, with Tunisia, I'm not going to turn it into a fascist slave state as you would think. Instead, I'm going to gradually allow Tunisia to participate and become a part of the EF market, improving the land, and turning the poorer Tunisia into a richer and more prosperous one. Borders will be abolished, allowing free trade and travel. In other words, Tunisia will become a part of my country - not a seperate principality for me to torture at will.

If you're going to go ahead with the terrorist faction and Honako with "defending Tunisian lands" which we all know is a land grab by him :p, I'll start the thread. I just want to make sure that at least you guys will get in, so it will become a large enough thread. Oh, and please let me start it - I need to start off the thread to establish something a bit differently (not change what I've done - simply put something new in).

Well...the combined forces of the United Kingdom, France, Spain, and Portugal against a few African countries? I mean, come on, what threat do I pose to you? Exactly. Nothing. /ooc diplomacy



Well, perhaps, but you have to remember that terrorist factions like Al-Quaeda are so huge primarily because of religion. "America is not Muslim. Death to America." Obviously that's not the only reason - but it's the main reason they use to recruit new people. As I said, Tunisia joining me is like Alaska joining the United States. Although the people of Alaska maybe didn't want to (like the Indians there) it was done, and then Alaska was greatly improved by the United States, and living conditions definitely got better.

You see, with Tunisia, I'm not going to turn it into a fascist slave state as you would think. Instead, I'm going to gradually allow Tunisia to participate and become a part of the EF market, improving the land, and turning the poorer Tunisia into a richer and more prosperous one. Borders will be abolished, allowing free trade and travel. In other words, Tunisia will become a part of my country - not a seperate principality for me to torture at will.

If you're going to go ahead with the terrorist faction and Honako with "defending Tunisian lands" which we all know is a land grab by him :p, I'll start the thread. I just want to make sure that at least you guys will get in, so it will become a large enough thread. Oh, and please let me start it - I need to start off the thread to establish something a bit differently (not change what I've done - simply put something new in).

Let's not forget Italy and Ireland :p I have no problems with letting you start it, and for now I have no plans to directly attack you - and probably never will - I'll just "observe" the situation, make sure it doesn't get too near Spain, and maybe like the group AB is doing secretly help the African governments by lending them untraceable back to me money and weapons. Infact, if you don't do anything really bad in Africa I might overlook the whole thing, as a way of improving our relations as you seem to have a distaste for Europe, unless you want me to be involved to make it more interesting.

I am having the URAF pretty much dumping its budget into the new Project: Arkbird, a sort of Orbital/Suborbital craft tendered by an SSTO mass driver on the surface (Most likely on a site in the Great Siberian Plain near a nuclear reactor) that launches up the supplies and crews to the Arkbird. I haven't devised a return system yet, but I think a sort of reusable re-entry vehicle might work.

That's true of Al-Quaeda (once again, SP), but not of the likes of Al-Sadr's regime in Iraq. They're just plain disgusted by the Iraqis cooperating with the Americans-and if such a similar faction would see your own government having "Western-like tendencies", then it may look to strike where it can.

As for the aliens: I'd probaly have one or two weak-type aliens who could strike in numbers (something like the Geonosians, here), and then one or two stronger races to give more challenge (like the Brutes).

AB: What would I have to do to get you to sell me the Kitty Hawk? Also what kind of weapons will the aliens have? Plasma/Energy Weapons or Kinetic Force Weapons?

That's true of Al-Quaeda (once again, SP), but not of the likes of Al-Sadr's regime in Iraq. They're just plain disgusted by the Iraqis cooperating with the Americans-and if such a similar faction would see your own government having "Western-like tendencies", then it may look to strike where it can.

As for the aliens: I'd probaly have one or two weak-type aliens who could strike in numbers (something like the Geonosians, here), and then one or two stronger races to give more challenge (like the Brutes).

Well, Iraq is a whole different story, because you have technically two or even three different religions that hate each other (at least, that's all that we've seen so far) grouped into a small territory. Yes - there are Western-hating tendencies in Iraq, but a lot of Iraq has to do with religion, not America. Everyone in Iraq is just generally pissed at us on a side note that we're there in the first place, but the real conflict is between Sunnis and Shi'ites.

On the aliens...perhaps in your alien "poll" we could have people mention what kind of aliens they want to have? Or just here? For example, the aliens I'm thinking of could have slightly more advanced technology than us, but they can't have like 30 billion ships loaded with 20 million 9-feet tall aliens brandishing sniper/rocket launching assault rifles in hulking invincible tripods and/or megatanks. That would equal the elimination of human life on the planet as we know it. Any "resistance" would be equally futile. So, reasonable numbers.

Thus, I propose a hive-like species in social ways only (taken from the Formics/Buggers in Ender's Game - super excellent book, highly recommend it and its sequels as well as Ender's Shadow, a different series but very closely related) although their individual shape/form etc. can be whatever. But the hive principle could opt for interesting efforts to ignore their advances in our territories, while having our special forces trying to kill the Queen/King of the hive, etc.

edit: I'm fine with the resistance thing-just pointing out Iraq as I see it.

Well, Iraq is a whole different story, because you have technically two or even three different religions that hate each other (at least, that's all that we've seen so far) grouped into a small territory. Yes - there are Western-hating tendencies in Iraq, but a lot of Iraq has to do with religion, not America. Everyone in Iraq is just generally pissed at us on a side note that we're there in the first place, but the real conflict is between Sunnis and Shi'ites.

On the aliens...perhaps in your alien "poll" we could have people mention what kind of aliens they want to have? Or just here? For example, the aliens I'm thinking of could have slightly more advanced technology than us, but they can't have like 30 billion ships loaded with 20 million 9-feet tall aliens brandishing sniper/rocket launching assault rifles in hulking invincible tripods and/or megatanks. That would equal the elimination of human life on the planet as we know it. Any "resistance" would be equally futile. So, reasonable numbers.

Thus, I propose a hive-like species in social ways only (taken from the Formics/Buggers in Ender's Game - super excellent book, highly recommend it and its sequels as well as Ender's Shadow, a different series but very closely related) although their individual shape/form etc. can be whatever. But the hive principle could opt for interesting efforts to ignore their advances in our territories, while having our special forces trying to kill the Queen/King of the hive, etc.

edit: I'm fine with the resistance thing-just pointing out Iraq as I see it.

Were is the Poll?

I enjoyed the Ender's series. I don't know, though. I can't exactly remember what the Formic Ground weapons were like.

Granate: I would be thinking some sort of plasma-throwing weaponry. That'd certainly throw some defenses off guard and provide a pretty nice twist. Of course, no logical future tech force is going to strictly rely on one class of weaponry, so kinetic or explosive weaponry would likely be present too.


Futuris: Aliens gotta be able to travel through space, so they gotta have pretty good tech-which is why I'd personally lean to NFT (over FT or PMT) as the choice here. 20 mil is kinda a lot-however, I would expect them to have a suitable invasion force. About the concept of a hive mind: It's a time-honored idea, but as far as RPing goes, the really only good scenario that a hive mind seems to work in for FT-like situations is in a Parasite race. Otherwise, the race lacks character-which is certainly something to be emphasized, even with aliens.
A major factor to include would to incorporate a set of weaknesses into the aliens. Another thing would be the obvious-a no-holds barred nuclear strike policy against the extraterrestrial force (Of course, President whatshisface proved that doesn't always work in Independence Day).
But I'd be open to suggestions, sure-quite likely, an incorporation of many races will be involved into the final product.

How are the aliens going to be RP'd?

I enjoyed the Ender's series. I don't know, though. I can't exactly remember what the Formic Ground weapons were like.

I don't think they really specified that - they mainly focused on their ships, and how their ships related with the "Queen". Since Ender's Game was all about the space battles, ground weapons weren't gone into.

They might have in the books after Ender's Game (actually, I've read Ender's Shadow and those sequels but not Speaker of the Dead, Xenocide, etc.)

@AB: Yeah, I guess. The hive concept might have been a potential weakness and strength, but whatever.

Halo aliens are great examples. I only have the first game trailer, and I just returned the full Halo combat evolved to my friend. But Halo aliens have strengths, weaknesses, personalities, and their tech isn't that advanced of the humans's except in space itself possibly. Of course, a Marine probably wouldn't stand against an Elite for long - and that kind of thing should be incorporated in this alien race, that their individual fighting skills, including hand-to-hand should be fairly good, and their better fighters should be able to easily kill an armed human being.

I hope no one minds that I am updating the Rooikat to incorporate possible Anti-Aircraft Missle Launchers. I am also looking for a new Assault Rifle, the FN FAL is good, but it's old.

I hope no one minds that I am updating the Rooikat to incorporate possible Anti-Aircraft Missle Launchers. I am also looking for a new Assault Rifle, the FN FAL is good, but it's old.

I think it is feasable. Go for it.

Who's RP-ing them?

I don't think they really specified that - they mainly focused on their ships, and how their ships related with the "Queen". Since Ender's Game was all about the space battles, ground weapons weren't gone into.

They might have in the books after Ender's Game (actually, I've read Ender's Shadow and those sequels but not Speaker of the Dead, Xenocide, etc.)

@AB: Yeah, I guess. The hive concept might have been a potential weakness and strength, but whatever.

Halo aliens are great examples. I only have the first game trailer, and I just returned the full Halo combat evolved to my friend. But Halo aliens have strengths, weaknesses, personalities, and their tech isn't that advanced of the humans's except in space itself possibly. Of course, a Marine probably wouldn't stand against an Elite for long - and that kind of thing should be incorporated in this alien race, that their individual fighting skills, including hand-to-hand should be fairly good, and their better fighters should be able to easily kill an armed human being.

Halo 2 really brings out the Covenant, as well-and the various species-some weaker than the humans (heck, Grunts make up more than 80% of the Covenant, and they suck) such as Drones and Jackals, to the powerful-Brutes and Elites, who are rarer. Since the only really other two great examples of alien ground combat-Star Wars and Command and Conquer-are way overmatching-Halo is a good meter to go by, as the UNSC isn't too far from modern standards, except in the arena of space combat (and the Spartan 2s).

Candistan: They'll be RPed like a culture and a society-but this won't be like an entire civilization, simply a war armada/invasion fleet. Plenty of landers/assault ships to shoot down. They'll have a good inventory of air attack as well.
As far as personality, I intended to make them zealous like the Yuuzhan Vong with some of the "focused" mindset of the Jem'Hadar. However, I haven't ruled out having a seperatist party at one point break off and assist humanity.

I am having the URAF pretty much dumping its budget into the new Project: Arkbird, a sort of Orbital/Suborbital craft tendered by an SSTO mass driver on the surface (Most likely on a site in the Great Siberian Plain near a nuclear reactor) that launches up the supplies and crews to the Arkbird. I haven't devised a return system yet, but I think a sort of reusable re-entry vehicle might work.

Sombody here plays Ace Combat :p

Sorry just had to point that out. Anyway, what's going on with this massive war I have been hearing about? Sorry, Im a bit lost.

Sombody here plays Ace Combat :p

Sorry just had to point that out. Anyway, what's going on with this massive war I have been hearing about? Sorry, Im a bit lost.

You caught me red handed :)

Anyways, there is basically a situation brewing in the Americas involving pretty much all of South and Central America vs. the UR and NAR and Animarnia. A series of terrorist attcks have been commited in Marxikhan by GRU (Russian) and Animarnian agents who had no idea each other were there.

And back to the Arkbird, I thought it would be a pretty cool thing to put funds into. I mean hey, being able to be the first nation to have a working Mass Driver AND SSTO spacecraft. Who could resist?

@ Candistan- Yeah good idea. That would be quite useful. Although SOLG would be cooler :P

Hey, you wouldn't mind starting an alliance once you get your SSTO up, would you?

And thanks a bunch for the update

@ Candistan- Yeah good idea. That would be quite useful. Although SOLG would be cooler :P

Hey, you wouldn't mind starting an alliance once you get your SSTO up, would you?

And thanks a bunch for the update

I will consider an alliance when the time comes. The SOLG would be cheap as hell, but the USSR actually had a satellite platform like it, but due to the SALT treaties had to dismantle it. Speaking of SALT, did they ever happen in ESS history? If not, then I could still have that satellite up there...

Marx, I just have to say that that is the last attack the GRU will commence on you until a war starts between us. I know that this may seem kind of bad in the wake of the VAT shootings, but just bear with me here.

Marx, I just have to say that that is the last attack the GRU will commence on you until a war starts between us. I know that this may seem kind of bad in the wake of the VAT shootings, but just bear with me here.

VTech shooting has been linked to 4chan /b/.

Discuss.

Are you fo'real?

Never liked those bastards.

And dude, you are talking to a /b/tard right now.

VTech shooting has been linked to 4chan /b/.

Discuss.

Discuss what?

VTech shooting has been linked to 4chan /b/.

Discuss.

Are you fo'real?

Never liked those bastards.

What is 4chan /b/?

Unless you want your soul destroyed, you never want to know the answer to that question.

What is 4chan /b/?

Hold up, didn't they do the NFL bomb threat?

Hold up, didn't they do the NFL bomb threat?

If by they you mean Anonymous then yes they did, because Anonymous is one. We are all anonymous and anonymous is legion.

But in reality it was the work of one /b/tard who thought it would be funny. And it was, until it got out of hand. Right now before the VTech Shootings, /b/ had been in a confrontation with Hal Turner.

We /b/tards have a weird sense of humor, everyday there is threads about the weirdest things from CP, child porn, to 9/11. It's a really fucked up place, but hey we are where we belong.

can we get this thread back on track? when are the attacks going to begin? so far i don't see any declarations of war.

can we get this thread back on track? when are the attacks going to begin? so far i don't see any declarations of war.

Well, they will begin after tensions rise a wee bit more. The high school bombing in Caracas might do it.

I need to find someway to get invovled in this war RP.

I need to find someway to get invovled in this war RP.

That should be relatively easy. Either oppose or support Futuris's idea for a united Africa

I need to find someway to get invovled in this war RP.

Psst...join the NAR-UR-Animarnian Alliance. Then you can be the African foothold. You could go do something about Futuris's attacks on Tunisia, or if Silvado does anything against us, you're the go to guy in Africa. Plus your political ideology seems pretty close to ours.

Psst...join the NAR-UR-Animarnian Alliance. Then you can be the African foothold. You could go do something about Futuris's attacks on Tunisia, or if Silvado does anything against us, you're the go to guy in Africa. Plus your political ideology seems pretty close to ours.

I know, my nation agrees with what the UR and NAR are doing, they don't think it was the UR or KoA that did the bombings. I would join the alliance but, I dunno. Is Animarnia apart of it, if yet. I may join.

I need to find someway to get invovled in this war RP.

If you don't approve of Futuris's African invasion, condemn him and try to prevent it - I may do that to an extent so you will not be alone. And of cause there is the chance of Silvado doing something bad, and will all his mobilization of forces around the oil fields - that's one of the reasons I'm unsure whether it would be a good idea to have him in the Third Alliance, aside from the ecomonic beneifits.

Or you could always join the Third Alliance, though I know you'll probably go with the NAR. Were not really such as tight an alliance as those three are, though me and the GGA are basically allies. We are more a group of nations who do not agree with either of the sides actions in the meantime, and we seemed to have stirred up some controversy by doing that.

I know, my nation agrees with what the UR and NAR are doing, they don't think it was the UR or KoA that did the bombings. I would join the alliance but, I dunno. Is Animarnia apart of it, if yet. I may join.

Yeah, Animarnia is the third nation in it.

Yeah, Animarnia is the third nation in it.

I may just join, but I am not going to just go up to one of your guys' nations and say that I want to join the alliance. If you asked for me to join and provided some further stimulation to join, like maybe a MBT deal or something. Be creative.

On the MBT thing, I want an American or Animarnian (Indian) design. Sorry, I don't like russian equipment.

If you don't approve of Futuris's African invasion, condemn him and try to prevent it - I may do that to an extent so you will not be alone. And of cause there is the chance of Silvado doing something bad, and will all his mobilization of forces around the oil fields - that's one of the reasons I'm unsure whether it would be a good idea to have him in the Third Alliance, aside from the ecomonic beneifits.

Or you could always join the Third Alliance, though I know you'll probably go with the NAR. Were not really such as tight an alliance as those three are, though me and the GGA are basically allies. We are more a group of nations who do not agree with either of the sides actions in the meantime, and we seemed to have stirred up some controversy by doing that.

Well, somebody's gotta try and do something with Futuris besides (I need to find the thread that Futuris said he'd make) the Tunisians-so we can actually get this into a global war, becuase of the neutral-ness of both the GEACPS and China. Right now it's still a regional war-it's only global because our whole "Triple Alliance" thing spans three continents.

Heck, at this rate, I could conquer half the world with no one really caring...though I won't.

Well, it is about to be global since in Fusing the Spark, Marx finally decided to declare war on the UR. I hope he likes Agent 15, because it's testing time now :)

Heck, at this rate, I could conquer half the world with no one really caring...though I won't.

you try that and i think someone might care. just a little though. Although if you let me have france and the UK, i might allow it... lol, jk

I am wondering if people are seriously just skipping over my Factbook, what? You don't check the front page?

NAR doesn't initiate contact with anyone-per its newer, more inwardly-focused policy. If you want American relations, you gotta come to us.

*mumbles obscenities about being lazy* Fine.

I am wondering if people are seriously just skipping over my Factbook, what? You don't check the front page?

NAR doesn't initiate contact with anyone-per its newer, more inwardly-focused policy. If you want American relations, you gotta come to us.

Courbornne better hurry back...that naval skirmish is going to happen very soon.

Courbornne better hurry back...that naval skirmish is going to happen very soon.

I need Sendersdale here...otherwise, this will be a very short invasion...

I need Sendersdale here...otherwise, this will be a very short invasion...

yeah, don't godmod ur way to victory.

I wish Marx came on right now. I'm interested to hear what he and his nation have to say about declaring war on me. I want to try out of few of those cruise missiles, too. But don't worry, Marx. I'll only use them if the situation gets REALLY bad for my carrier group.

Just wondering, why did the SAD give themselves a 55% GDP boost? If i did that my GDP would be crazy good. And the NAR's GDP would be through the roof...

Just wondering, why did the SAD give themselves a 55% GDP boost? If i did that my GDP would be crazy good. And the NAR's GDP would be through the roof...

probably because it gives them a decent abilty to compeat with the big guns plus alternate history is your friend :) Africa would have a great economy if it hadn't been utterly raped by Europe during the Colonial Era

probably because it gives them a decent abilty to compeat with the big guns plus alternate history is your friend :) Africa would have a great economy if it hadn't been utterly raped by Europe during the Colonial Era

yeah, just 55% seems like a lot.

yeah, just 55% seems like a lot.

You forget that Africa is a resource rich land. If it had time to develope industries along side Europe and other countries, it would be an economic powerhouse. But like Animarnia said, it was raped of it's resourced and industries were barely developed there, apart from areas like Egypt and South Africa, which even with the 55% increase still makes up more then 40% of my GDP, with just it's regular GDP.

I just had an idea for a defense for the Oka Nieba. Has anyone ever heard of brilliant pebbles?

I just had an idea for a defense for the Oka Nieba. Has anyone ever heard of brilliant pebbles?

Yup. Only too often in Hataria threads.

Yup. Only too often in Hataria threads.

People actually read Hataria threads?

Oh...I take it that that's bad...

People actually read Hataria threads?

Candistan: No, actually it's a good thing, assuming you can do it right (Hataria's threads are all PMT-but often, 'people' who use them in such threads don't at all get them right-and that leads to the usual. Of course, that would be expected with the people involved).

Animaria: Yeah, I even am participating in one (Shal, TPF, Ezaltia, and me found a strategy we think can prevent this thread from going the fate of the others).

Candistan: No, actually it's a good thing, assuming you can do it right (Hataria's threads are all PMT-but often, 'people' who use them in such threads don't at all get them right-and that leads to the usual. Of course, that would be expected with the people involved).

Animaria: Yeah, I even am participating in one (Shal, TPF, Ezaltia, and me found a strategy we think can prevent this thread from going the fate of the others).

good luck with that; I've read a few of Hataria's threads and while I note he has improved a lot it still reminds me too much of Rping with Mationbuds which I have no desire to repeat anytime soon.

I know the pebbles work well, it's just the Hataria reference that worried me.

good luck with that; I've read a few of Hataria's threads and while I note he has improved a lot it still reminds me too much of Rping with Mationbuds which I have no desire to repeat anytime soon.

This one's actually been pretty good...mostly because I've currently gotten the upper hand with a load of railgun units and thermobaric weaponry. Of course, if his fleet decides to attack mine (it has started...but I just deployed some nasty little missiles to make some big booms), it could get messy.

Candistan: Don't worry about the Hatarian referance, that's just where I've seen it most often. It showed up with Laquasa Isle too, I think (who was a pretty good ally here before he disappeared)

Oh, AB. The URAF sent a reply to the RSC in the General IC thread that basically outlined most of the programs workings and such.

Oh, AB. The URAF sent a reply to the RSC in the General IC thread that basically outlined most of the programs workings and such.

Sweet; I'll get up a response.

This one's actually been pretty good...mostly because I've currently gotten the upper hand with a load of railgun units and thermobaric weaponry. Of course, if his fleet decides to attack mine (it has started...but I just deployed some nasty little missiles to make some big booms), it could get messy.

Candistan: Don't worry about the Hatarian referance, that's just where I've seen it most often. It showed up with Laquasa Isle too, I think (who was a pretty good ally here before he disappeared)

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning, Nothin else smells like that! gods I love it. some day this war will be over"

Thermobaric weaponry is your friend. >> our airforce operates enough of the stuff to fry anything living above ground in a city

About Tunisia...it's not an invasion unless the government directly opposes it. If they agree (which AB has been hinting at doing, even implied) then there's no invasion, only a peaceful cooperation to unite a part of Africa. The resistance is okay, so I'll create the thread in a few minutes.

@Granate: My countries weren't raped by Europe during the Imperialistic Age either, as I've stated in my history. And yet I haven't increased my GDP by a whopping 55%. If I did, I'd have an overall GDP of 3 trillion - about one fourth of China's in RL. That's huge. If you can do it, what's to stop every other country in South America/Africa from creating an alternate history and doing it too?

Third alliance thing....this is what I was talking about when you guys first claimed your countries. It's all of Europe, parts of Africa, Asia, Middle East against a few poor African nations. And several Latin American nations getting their ass whipped by the United States, Russia, and India at the same time.

I'll have fun RPing it out, yes.....but this is why reasonably sized claims make Earths better. Unless someone doesn't change allegiance, or the rest of the world sides with us (unlikely) most nations won't last very long.

About Tunisia...it's not an invasion unless the government directly opposes it. If they agree (which AB has been hinting at doing, even implied) then there's no invasion, only a peaceful cooperation to unite a part of Africa. The resistance is okay, so I'll create the thread in a few minutes.

@Granate: My countries weren't raped by Europe during the Imperialistic Age either, as I've stated in my history. And yet I haven't increased my GDP by a whopping 55%. If I did, I'd have an overall GDP of 3 trillion - about one fourth of China's in RL. That's huge. If you can do it, what's to stop every other country in South America/Africa from creating an alternate history and doing it too?

Third alliance thing....this is what I was talking about when you guys first claimed your countries. It's all of Europe, parts of Africa, Asia, Middle East against a few poor African nations. And several Latin American nations getting their ass whipped by the United States, Russia, and India at the same time.

I'll have fun RPing it out, yes.....but this is why reasonably sized claims make Earths better. Unless someone doesn't change allegiance, or the rest of the world sides with us (unlikely) most nations won't last very long.

Solution? Have the Third Alliance invade Me or Russia (heck, they're neighbors) or India. Conduct some espionage and terror acts and pin the blame on the Entente over here.

There's your answer. Just need some guts.

Yeah, Animarnia is the third nation in it.
Oh. Well then, should I put in an IC request to withdraw my Kazakhstan PKF once the invaders hit? I could sure use a spare tank battalion hanging around in my land for that occasion, not to mention that there's not likely to be much peace to keep once Russia decides to bag a neutral at last and forces the Third Alliance's hand. Plus I'm getting the distinct-but-unmentioned IC feeling that my men already have Animarnian/Russian sights on their backs even now in K-Stan...:headbang: No offense, just stating the obvious IC politics as they stand.

Yeah, the Third Alliance is probably, dare I say it, more powerful than the UR-NAR-Animarnia. I say this because they have footholds all over the planet, the high-tech and good economy of Europe, Arabia's oil, and pretty much most of the world's citizens love when it comes to their neutrality in the conflict. And about Futuris's statement, the UR really isn't in a good position to make a full scale assault on Marxikhan considering it would be that lone Russian force against the militaries of South America.

Yeah, the Third Alliance is probably, dare I say it, more powerful than the UR-NAR-Animarnia. I say this because they have footholds all over the planet, the high-tech and good economy of Europe, Arabia's oil, and pretty much most of the world's citizens love when it comes to their neutrality in the conflict. And about Futuris's statement, the UR really isn't in a good position to make a full scale assault on Marxikhan considering it would be that lone Russian force against the militaries of South America.

Along with America and India. Three of the world top superpower's in the world (not counting China) against 1-2 poor small Latin American nations. Just because it takes time, effort, and strategy for you to move your troops from Russia to South America doesn't mean you aren't in a good position. You have a superior by far military. They have a fairly mediocre one. Still, war could last quite a while - you would still probably win, but a lot of lives would be lost, and a lot of energy spent on people and lands in a distant continent, that AB could eventually attack (and betray you) and you'd lose all those lands at the expense of thousands of your soldiers.

But together, you, AB, and Animarnia against South America will be unstoppable.

Yeah, the Third Alliance is probably, dare I say it, more powerful than the UR-NAR-Animarnia. I say this because they have footholds all over the planet, the high-tech and good economy of Europe, Arabia's oil, and pretty much most of the world's citizens love when it comes to their neutrality in the conflict.

thats all fine and dandy until you realize that we have next to 0 nukes. If we went on UR, or NAR hometurf, we would get nuked, and be unable to do stuff. Although, it would be fun to rp as a terrorist organization if your country got captured.

Marx, for the love of god, please come back!

Oh and by the way, I've started the Tunisia thread under "Unification of Africa".

Linky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524557)

thats all fine and dandy until you realize that we have next to 0 nukes. If we went on UR, or NAR hometurf, we would get nuked, and be unable to do stuff. Although, it would be fun to rp as a terrorist organization if your country got captured.

Well, yeah, there are the nukes, but think about it this way. Even if you did manage to get to a point in an invasion of Russia or America where they had to use nukes against you, they pretty much destroy their home turf getting you out. So even though we pushed you out, we are still stuck in a radioactive cesspool of dead people and ruined cities.

@Granate: My countries weren't raped by Europe during the Imperialistic Age either, as I've stated in my history. And yet I haven't increased my GDP by a whopping 55%. If I did, I'd have an overall GDP of 3 trillion - about one fourth of China's in RL. That's huge. If you can do it, what's to stop every other country in South America/Africa from creating an alternate history and doing it too?

Yeah, that would make your GDP about as high as mine, and i have the germanic countries and Scandanavia

Im baaaaaaccccccckkkkk



ello folks as it seems we have a war on our hands, a world war.....the shit officaily hit the fan :upyours: :D :mp5: :mp5:


and if you couldnt tell by my poor grammer and spelling, i am still in school, have not been able to check on as much as i wanted to. sorry

Yeah, that would make your GDP about as high as mine, and i have the germanic countries and Scandanavia

Exactly.

finally Europe will get its rightous ass kicked by Africa, kiss his dirt poor ass! :p :p :p joking sorry if i offended anyone

I responded to your post. Could you be a little more specific about your naval group, please? I can't really RP anything if I don't know what you have.

finally Europe will get its rightous ass kicked by Africa, kiss his dirt poor ass! :p :p :p joking sorry if i offended anyone

That would be stupid to attempt, as most of Africa is against me in the first place. If you get wiped off, I'm pretty much a one-man team against Europe. So, I won't stand much of a chance.

Therefore, declaring war on Europe would be a bad idea at this point. Remember - one step at a time.

/ooc falsified hinting

sure


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BAP Palacios (FM-56) ex MM Lupo
BAP Bolognesi (FM-57) ex MM Perseo
BAP Quiñónez (FM-58) ex MM Sagitario

Destroyer
Daring class
BAP Ferré (DM-74) ex HMS Decoy


have fun with that for now as the rest of my navy comes a marching

That would be stupid to attempt, as most of Africa is against me in the first place. If you get wiped off, I'm pretty much a one-man team against Europe. So, I won't stand much of a chance.

Therefore, declaring war on Europe would be a bad idea at this point. Remember - one step at a time.

/ooc falsified hinting

I knew that, im just looking ahead a couple of years from now after you have united Africa and Europe has burned it self our with a world war

sure


BAP Chipana (SS-34).
Type 209/1200 class
BAP Angamos (SS-31) ex BAP Casma
BAP Antofagasta (SS-32)
(subs)


Modified Lupo class
BAP Carvajal (FM-51)
BAP Villavisencio (FM-52)
BAP Montero (FM-53)
BAP Mariátegui (FM-54)
Lupo class
BAP Aguirre (FM-55) ex MM Orsa
BAP Palacios (FM-56) ex MM Lupo
BAP Bolognesi (FM-57) ex MM Perseo
BAP Quiñónez (FM-58) ex MM Sagitario

Destroyer
Daring class
BAP Ferré (DM-74) ex HMS Decoy


have fun with that for now as the rest of my navy comes a marching

And i hope that was usful if not, its manly old Spainish, French, US and Russian equipt from the 50's and 60's

I knew that, im just looking ahead a couple of years from now after you have united Africa and Europe has burned it self our with a world war

Well, hopefully...

And by a few years, I'm assuming RP years, right?

Are they destroyers? And just lettin you know, but it takes a long time for navies to move, so it will be extremely hard to move your atlantic stationed ships to the pacific in only a few days.

Panama Cannal ill assume i can use and those are old subs, destroyers and Frigets

Are they destroyers? And just lettin you know, but it takes a long time for navies to move, so it will be extremely hard to move your atlantic stationed ships to the pacific in only a few days.

Well, hopefully...

And by a few years, I'm assuming RP years, right?

rp years yes....

I'm out for tonite. Marx, you can leave a reply and I'll respond in the morning.

ight im ganna hit the hay soon to...not going to be back on until sunday though sorry. That should give the world time to respond and dissend into chaos, i expect atleast two more fronts opend up by the time i get back though!

what happened to that GEACPS fleet?

Not sure....i want to see were they stand on this...hopfully on my side..this should be cool either way

what happened to that GEACPS fleet?

@Wagdog - I created the Threads/Factbooks thing a little while back, which has basically every single thread in ESS on it. It would be easier (I think) to have it linked on the first page for easy reference. Of course, it's up to you, just a suggestion.

AB - I got the Tunisian thing going, just respond with the Tunisian response to my letter from Fusing the Spark (do you join peacefully, want war, etc.) and then whatever else you think is good (like resistance maybe). Anyone else who was going to get involved in it should put something up so I can begin either my peaceful rebuilding of Tunisia or invasion in force (depending on AB).

@Wagdog - I created the Threads/Factbooks thing a little while back, which has basically every single thread in ESS on it. It would be easier (I think) to have it linked on the first page for easy reference. Of course, it's up to you, just a suggestion.

AB - I got the Tunisian thing going, just respond with the Tunisian response to my letter from Fusing the Spark (do you join peacefully, want war, etc.) and then whatever else you think is good (like resistance maybe). Anyone else who was going to get involved in it should put something up so I can begin either my peaceful rebuilding of Tunisia or invasion in force (depending on AB).
Hmm... I think I'll put it in so as not to waste your good work, of course:), but I kind of like having another link in the lines since those allow easy reminders of which players are active and not (whom I have to TG in the worst way to see what's going on...:headbang:). This will need to be tomorrow as I'm officially hitting the sack once this is posted successfully...
Also, I forgot to cross-post your letter but for now I'm erring towards a "no" in the next post I get. I'll reference it when deciding then after some more provocative moves on your part, eh?:p

Oh. Well then, should I put in an IC request to withdraw my Kazakhstan PKF once the invaders hit? I could sure use a spare tank battalion hanging around in my land for that occasion, not to mention that there's not likely to be much peace to keep once Russia decides to bag a neutral at last and forces the Third Alliance's hand. Plus I'm getting the distinct-but-unmentioned IC feeling that my men already have Animarnian/Russian sights on their backs even now in K-Stan...:headbang: No offense, just stating the obvious IC politics as they stand.

Nah :) we have no issue you, we're still on good terms and we admire your neutrality we're not on a "lets burn some commies" kick unlesss you attack us; our army's mobalising to face Silvado if he crosses the Iranian border to invade us.

Nah :) we have no issue you, we're still on good terms and we admire your neutrality we're not on a "lets burn some commies" kick unlesss you attack us; our army's mobalising to face Silvado if he crosses the Iranian border to invade us.
WHEW!:eek::D Thanks, besides I can get a most l33t "Army in Exile" thing going with those guys in the PKF once the Invaders hit and pwn the rest of my army, heh-heh...

Futuris: Lemme put this in perspective. A good portion of the countries I control have a GPD Per Capita of under $2500. Malawi: $600. Madagascar: $900. Zambia: $1000. Mozambique: $1500 Zimbabwe: $2000. Lesotho: $2200. Swaziland: $5,500. Botswana: $11,400. South Africa: $13,000

Now lets take a look at your countries. Isreal: $26,2000. Libya: $11,200 Algeria: $7,700. Nigeria: $1,500. Niger: $1,000.

I beleive your situation is better then mine.

Hey, I had had a great weapon idea for this world, and was going to anounce it, and promptly forgot it. So now i need a new one to take it's place in my rp's. Any suggestions?

Unless it's something really radical, I doubt you'd really need to develope anything. German has one of the most advanced equipment in the world.

yeah, i just had hinted at it in my post (military-codeword pansy) and was pissed because i forgot my idea.

I don't give out ideas, I use them myself.

lol, well lets just forget i mentioned it in my post. Im too lazy to go edit it out.

I'll get up posts tomorrow, just some commentary for tonight.

About the power of alliances-I think the Third Alliance has more social and political strength, but both economic (Alaskan and Canadian oil, which have both been laid open-as well as the massive Indian worker pop and large Russian and American economies) as well as military (America, Russia, and India are all forerunners in the military), and possibly even cohesiveness (The Third Alliance is numerous, but are they as cohesive as the focused mindset of the Triple Entente?) I'd swing to the Entente (I'm unofficially dubbing the NAR-UR-KoA that).

AB: Don't call it the Entente just yet. If everything goes according to my plan, I should be able to join that alliance. Also check your factbook.

I'll get up posts tomorrow, just some commentary for tonight.

About the power of alliances-I think the Third Alliance has more social and political strength, but both economic (Alaskan and Canadian oil, which have both been laid open-as well as the massive Indian worker pop and large Russian and American economies) as well as military (America, Russia, and India are all forerunners in the military), and possibly even cohesiveness (The Third Alliance is numerous, but are they as cohesive as the focused mindset of the Triple Entente?) I'd swing to the Entente (I'm unofficially dubbing the NAR-UR-KoA that).

The aim of the Third Alliance at the moment is not to oppose you, so it doesn't really matter who is stronger, but I agree with most your points above. Though economically I think we are very close, and we can overtake - considering we may have the Middle Eastern oil fields soon and the WEF has a $7 trillion economy itself, much larger than Russia’s and India, and many other rich nations are in the alliance, we are not too far behind. Of all the points you mentioned I think the only ones the Third Alliance can try to get past you at are economic power and social/political power - which is great in peace, but larger military is better in war. :p

I think the basic goals of the Third Alliance are to be a group of nations that don't agree with either sides in the South American conflict, and to Unite Europe (alliance-wise, not to invade or anything) and get a country or so in each other continent as footholds there. Obviously there not official, GGA basically had the idea for this thing anyway, but it's what I think and what the WEF aims are in this alliance.

Hey, I had had a great weapon idea for this world, and was going to anounce it, and promptly forgot it. So now i need a new one to take it's place in my rp's. Any suggestions?
Well, seeing the pics used for UR's Oka Nieba and such, maybe...
Excalibur?:D
Seriously, Belka was AC's Germany anyway and my non-ESS country packs three of those babies already. L33tn3ss, ya?:cool:

But Belka in Russian means Squirrel! Hah! Was Excalibur that big laser tower? That seemed a bit...crazy.

It would take the GGA along time to develope that Space Defense. Hell, there current space launches are only for small satelittes.

The UR or the NAR doing it would be alot more beleivable, since they already have established Space Exploration Experiance.

OOC:

Hello All,

I am glad to see that Wagdog's Idea for ESS has really taken off well done dude. I was initially going to take on Australia and New Zealand under an ANZAC Confederation but I got struck down with damn Jolt problems. Anyway im going on I today post to propose an Idea im unsure as to whether this has ever occured in an Earth Style Thread but its somthing im sure as has been thought of. With the permission of all current ESS Earth Players id like to enter the ESS world RP'ing an International Terrorist Organization like for example Al Qaeda.

My proposed Terror Group would be known as the Grass Snakes and would be a very radical, extreme and fanatical Pro Enviroment Terror Group. They would launch various attacks against all ESS nations and would have Cells throughout the world. I am hoping it would add a new, diverse and exciting element to a Earth Enviroment. Obviously id RP building the groups base up initially for example recruiting members and stealing cash and weapons from various nations. Im not sure what the current situation is in ESS basically im unsure as to whether you guys are already fighting some World War situation if so ignore this post if not have a wee bit of a discussion and drop us a TG if your interested or with any questions. Cheers.

Regards Vetaka

OOC:

Hello All,

I am glad to see that Wagdog's Idea for ESS has really taken off well done dude. I was initially going to take on Australia and New Zealand under an ANZAC Confederation but I got struck down with damn Jolt problems. Anyway im going on I today post to propose an Idea im unsure as to whether this has ever occured in an Earth Style Thread but its somthing im sure as has been thought of. With the permission of all current ESS Earth Players id like to enter the ESS world RP'ing an International Terrorist Organization like for example Al Qaeda.

My proposed Terror Group would be known as the Grass Snakes and would be a very radical, extreme and fanatical Pro Enviroment Terror Group. They would launch various attacks against all ESS nations and would have Cells throughout the world. I am hoping it would add a new, diverse and exciting element to a Earth Enviroment. Obviously id RP building the groups base up initially for example recruiting members and stealing cash and weapons from various nations. Im not sure what the current situation is in ESS basically im unsure as to whether you guys are already fighting some World War situation if so ignore this post if not have a wee bit of a discussion and drop us a TG if your interested or with any questions. Cheers.

Regards Vetaka

I'd be interested in that - currently there are riots in the country of Portugal due to the fact they are ignored by the WEF, and the PPF (Portuguese Peoples Front) is trying to have the government give poorer citizens more equal opportunities. Whilst my government is very pro-environmental, they could use the uneasiness in Portugal to attack there and come across with some other point, or just say I'm not environmental enough or something...

OOC:

Hello All,

I am glad to see that Wagdog's Idea for ESS has really taken off well done dude. I was initially going to take on Australia and New Zealand under an ANZAC Confederation but I got struck down with damn Jolt problems. Anyway im going on I today post to propose an Idea im unsure as to whether this has ever occured in an Earth Style Thread but its somthing im sure as has been thought of. With the permission of all current ESS Earth Players id like to enter the ESS world RP'ing an International Terrorist Organization like for example Al Qaeda.

My proposed Terror Group would be known as the Grass Snakes and would be a very radical, extreme and fanatical Pro Enviroment Terror Group. They would launch various attacks against all ESS nations and would have Cells throughout the world. I am hoping it would add a new, diverse and exciting element to a Earth Enviroment. Obviously id RP building the groups base up initially for example recruiting members and stealing cash and weapons from various nations. Im not sure what the current situation is in ESS basically im unsure as to whether you guys are already fighting some World War situation if so ignore this post if not have a wee bit of a discussion and drop us a TG if your interested or with any questions. Cheers.

Regards Vetaka

It actually has been done before. We tried it on AB's 21C Earth, but after jolt crashed for two days the thread was dead and we didn't get to see its full potential. You should go for it. If you are looking for terrorists to help get a hold of in the UR, there is a group of Communist political prisoners in siberia who recently escaped. I'm not so sure you would approve of the previous regime's weapons testing habits, though.

Slow day, huh?

yeah, sure seems like it. I'm getting tons of TG's to attack KoE. Wanna run this by my alliance buddies.

Erm, who is KoE?

Erm, who is KoE?

KoE=Kingdom of Erstereich, those fools who are never on. The ones i previously backed out of attacking. The kingdom extends from Europe to turkey, to iraq, to kuwait

KoE=Kingdom of Erstereich, those fools who are never on. The ones i previously backed out of attacking. The kingdom extends from Europe to turkey, to iraq, to kuwait

Uh. Who is sending you the TG's to invade, if you don't mind me asking.

Uh. Who is sending you the TG's to invade, if you don't mind me asking.

Czechalrus:
we need to get KoE out of Europe
Espartania (are they even in this world?):
We need to force KoE out of Europe

Czechalrus:

Espartania (are they even in this world?):

Ok, well I'd support it - it's not like there even active. Though, of course we'd expect you to divide the land with Third Alliance countries who helped you, not just take it all yourself - though not sure whether it would be sound, considering they can't really RP a defence.

Ok, well I'd support it - it's not like there even active. Though, of course we'd expect you to divide the land with Third Alliance countries who helped you, not just take it all yourself - though not sure whether it would be sound, considering they can't really RP a defence.

I'll TG Estereich so there will be someone to repulse your actions...so we don't get bogged down by the same sort of SYAE results.

If he doesn't come back, me or Wagdog can act as the defenders here.

Ok, well I'd support it - it's not like there even active. Though, of course we'd expect you to divide the land with Third Alliance countries who helped you, not just take it all yourself - though not sure whether it would be sound, considering they can't really RP a defence.
If they can't RP a defense, AB might have to play them since claim-modding is a no-no here and yet I'd probably contribute something as a Third Alliance member (if I could get it there...:headbang:). How's that sound AB? I'll TG them now to see if they're aware of this...

If they can't RP a defense, AB might have to play them since claim-modding is a no-no here and yet I'd probably contribute something as a Third Alliance member (if I could get it there...:headbang:). How's that sound AB? I'll TG them now to see if they're aware of this...

I'll let you TG him so I can go find that Tunisia thread...

responded a post before to the rest.