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Please..no!

Why not?

...Would you like over 10,000 nukes in return?
NAR's anti-missiles defenses are far stronger than China's. They've been built for all of Russia's, anyway.

Thank again, I don't even think I care for Taiwan much-I may just direct more trade to India and other countries and away from China. Try to attack me over that, and you'll really be screwed.

Personally, I don't envision the NAR entering a war any time in the next few years-while I wait for my next-gen military lines to finish up.

Very true. Though I doubt anyone would really go full-scale war over Taiwan. China is weird about that. Though I wouldn't put it past China to actually do that.

[QUOTE='[NS]Corbournne;12510858']I asked for it, but someone said it belonged to China.[QUOTE]

Just making sure this didn't get lost.

I'll take it if nobody minds.

Er, Eralineta, about the "hundreds of US cities" thing-I just did a little research-China has probaly around 160 nukes, of which only about 40 have the range to actually hit the US.

Between China and North America, sits Guam, American Samao, Quadjilean, and other anti-missile sites, as well as Hawaii.

The nuke thing might be a bit hard to do.

As well, China released a 2005 document stating their intention to "not be the first to use nuclear weapons at any time in any circumstance". You can bet the NAR will be watching that one, seeing as China's also under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Also: Would anyone object to me setting up an IC thread to get this ball rolling?

Er, Eralineta, about the "hundreds of US cities" thing-I just did a little research-China has probaly around 160 nukes, of which only about 40 have the range to actually hit the US.

Between China and North America, sits Guam, American Samao, Quadjilean, and other anti-missile sites, as well as Hawaii.

The nuke thing might be a bit hard to do.

As well, China released a 2005 document stating their intention to "not be the first to use nuclear weapons at any time in any circumstance". You can bet the NAR will be watching that one, seeing as China's also under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Not true. They have a new launcher, but my quote came from General Zhu. He clearly says that nuclear weapons are an option for dealing with the US if they help Taiwan Here's a story close to it: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/28cfe55a-f4a7-11d9-9dd1-00000e2511c8.html

Its a big issue, but a good threat if you know what they have.

Ah. I will remember to attack you with nukes first in the future.

Still, the numbers (confirmed by Wiki, CIA, and answers.com) all stand. The US has 12,000 total nukes in stockpile (about 6000 active).

Ah. I will remember to attack you with nukes first in the future.

Still, the numbers (confirmed by Wiki, CIA, and answers.com) all stand. The US has 12,000 total nukes in stockpile (about 6000 active).

*sigh* You just don't understand. Forget it.

*sigh* You just don't understand. Forget it.

Someone thinks highly of themselves.

Not to nag, but could you change my name in the front page? I'm going with The Republic of Yugoslavia ...and can I have a slightly darker color for visibility?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522928&highlight=Union+of+the+Russias

Here is the link again. Hopefully it works.

Er, Eralineta, about the "hundreds of US cities" thing-I just did a little research-China has probaly around 160 nukes, of which only about 40 have the range to actually hit the US.

Between China and North America, sits Guam, American Samao, Quadjilean, and other anti-missile sites, as well as Hawaii.

The nuke thing might be a bit hard to do.

As well, China released a 2005 document stating their intention to "not be the first to use nuclear weapons at any time in any circumstance". You can bet the NAR will be watching that one, seeing as China's also under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Also: Would anyone object to me setting up an IC thread to get this ball rolling?

It's funny because it means that I have more nukes than you do......and I don't happen to have a 12 trillion dollar GDP at the same time.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522928&highlight=Union+of+the+Russias

Here is the link again. Hopefully it works.

Why are all the "The" "Of" "Union" and I'm guessing "Russias" too in red? I mean, I know that they're the words that make up your nation's name, but do I have to change the color of every 'the' and 'of' and 'Union' and 'Russia' when I consult you?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522928

thats his link without those words highlighted

Also: Would anyone object to me setting up an IC thread to get this ball rolling?

Nope.

Er, Eralineta, about the "hundreds of US cities" thing-I just did a little research-China has probaly around 160 nukes, of which only about 40 have the range to actually hit the US.

Between China and North America, sits Guam, American Samao, Quadjilean, and other anti-missile sites, as well as Hawaii.

The nuke thing might be a bit hard to do.

As well, China released a 2005 document stating their intention to "not be the first to use nuclear weapons at any time in any circumstance". You can bet the NAR will be watching that one, seeing as China's also under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Also: Would anyone object to me setting up an IC thread to get this ball rolling?
True, except those territories are mine on this Earth (ICly, I'm thinking I'm going with having successfully exploited local uprisings and such while the NAR was still in its post-Vietnam funk first, and then busy with Cuba/Quebec, as far as "how I got here" goes.), he he he.:D No seriously, take a look at my claims: Kwajelein is in the Marshalls (mine), Guam in the Marianas even though administratively separate IRL (reunified and mine on ESS), and both of the Samoas are also off limits to the NAR in this scenaro (again, reunified and mine; however I decide I got them when my factbook history is done). Hawaii is an option, plus a good one since Pearl Harbor/7th Fleet HQ is an attractive-enoung ICBM target on its own; but that's the only island you mentioned that the NAR still controls as far as ESS is concerned. The others you simply "lost" after a fashion, as territories tend to do if neglected long enough even IRL.;)

I made a military fact book for my country here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12512725#post12512725).

The U212 has been in service with Germany since 05. Germany never used F-16s, they had F-4 II Phantoms from America. They used the Panavia Tornado as it's Main Air-craft.
All true, although do remember that under the rules here he could swap the F-4s for an appropriately smaller force of F-16s if so desired to add a "what if" aspect to his factbook's history and ORBAT. Just wait 'till you see my factbook for an example of how wacky yet similar to IRL things can get under the rules here...;):p

I'm gonna be away for about three days so no doubt I'll miss a few major threads to do with this - but I'll check up on them when I get access to a computer and hopefully get involved.

Futuris: Africa/Israel has more nukes than the US? I believe Russia is the only nation with more (17k I believe)

Wagdog: Oops, forgot you had those. Well, Hawaii still stands.

Futuris: Africa/Israel has more nukes than the US? I believe Russia is the only nation with more (17k I believe)

Wagdog: Oops, forgot you had those. Well, Hawaii still stands.

I think he was referring to china. and i replied to that TG

Futuris: Africa/Israel has more nukes than the US? I believe Russia is the only nation with more (17k I believe)

Wagdog: Oops, forgot you had those. Well, Hawaii still stands.
Futuris might be talking about nuclear material rather than actual weapons, although IDK exactly about that; you're right about actual weapons though. And don't worry about the lost islands; although I have come up with an IC reason for them to have an order of battle similar to IRL but with different stuff (Soviet/NS Czechalrussian instead of US/British/French), I won't go so far as to put smuggled ABMs or such there or anything.:p

1. Cities of Pre-Cambrian Rock are forced up from the ice due to a massive earthquake.
2. A strange race emerges from these lost cities who:
---Once colonized earth
---Driven to Antartica during the Deluge
---Locked inside cities during the fall of Atlantis, Hyperborea, Ultima Thule, Mu, Rama Empire and Lemuria (The end of the antediluvian age.)
3. The race has lost much technology, and I will play them almost as an NGO, traviling to various ruins to rediscover this Earth's lost past( Helping to make a lost history for you all!)

In the beginning I want the race to be almost a past tech race, having nothing but the crude weapons they have furnished in the cities. Slowly they will adept to modern weapons.

I was also wondering if I might have "modern" technology work a bit different. Say, it works and has same stats as an abrams tank, but has a much more ancient and alien feel to it, while retaining MT stats.

Reposted for confirmation

Since Kampfers was the replier, I'll set up an IC thread so we can get exciting stuff going...

YAY its about time we finally get to start doing stuff.

I'm going on the assumption that we're starting as if it were 2007 in ESS (which is where I've seen the bases of all the other factbooks, as well) for the IC thread.

I'm going on the assumption that we're starting as if it were 2007 in ESS (which is where I've seen the bases of all the other factbooks, as well) for the IC thread.

ya thats the assumption I was under when I joined
check ur TGs, amazonian beast

Not to nag, but could you change my name in the front page? I'm going with The Republic of Yugoslavia ...and can I have a slightly darker color for visibility?

I don't mean to be a pest, but I've been bugging about this for the past three days. Please change it...it shouldn't take long...

Could I claim Antartica? My idea is thus:

1. Cities of Pre-Cambrian Rock are forced up from the ice due to a massive earthquake.
2. A strange race emerges from these lost cities who:
---Once colonized earth
---Driven to Antartica during the Deluge
---Locked inside cities during the fall of Atlantis, Hyperborea, Ultima Thule, Mu, Rama Empire and Lemuria (The end of the antediluvian age.)
3. The race has lost much technology, and I will play them almost as an NGO, traviling to various ruins to rediscover this Earth's lost past( Helping to make a lost history for you all!)

In the beginning I want the race to be almost a past tech race, having nothing but the crude weapons they have furnished in the cities. Slowly they will adept to modern weapons.

I was also wondering if I might have "modern" technology work a bit different. Say, it works and has same stats as an abrams tank, but has a much more ancient and alien feel to it, while retaining MT stats.
Hmm... As long as the tech works on reasonably-believable principles (i.e. isn't a godmod), knock yourself out. So these aliens colonized the place millions of years prior but were forced into near-hibernation, right? It's legal, don't worry (I have Tolkien Elves, Vampires and Werewolves in my country, after all..:D), but some further clarification would help us factor it in better anyway. Country name? To keep things simple I'll add after you post that so we don't get problems...

I don't mean to be a pest, but I've been bugging about this for the past three days. Please change it...it shouldn't take long...
ZOMG! I'm so sorry!:eek::( Doing so NOW (as soon as this reply goes through). Jolt's been confusing me to the edge of reason by not refreshing properly and I've been missing posts left-and-right...

Futuris: Africa/Israel has more nukes than the US? I believe Russia is the only nation with more (17k I believe)

Wagdog: Oops, forgot you had those. Well, Hawaii still stands.

I think he was referring to china. and i replied to that TG

lol I have more nukes than China, not America.

Also, I believe that at one point the USSR had over 40,000 nuclear weapons while the United States didn't go past 20,000 or something. Now of course they're all lower and the USA has a little over 10,000 (approx) while Russia still has more, although I don't know how many.

Important note: Please don't use nuclear weapons unless they have been used upon you first. That way it doesn't turn into one of those wars where everyone declares war on everyone else and just launches nukes at them and everyone gets nuked back to the stone age, and it's just a really messy business. So, please, don't do that. Even all the fascist countries. It's no fun then.

edit: I'm not saying that you absolutely can't use nukes - you can, and I can, (as long as you have them). But what usually happens is it turns into a nuclear stalemate unlike the cold war because this time the nukes have been sent, the cities destroyed, the millions dead, and.........now what? Half the world is a desolate wasteland, death count could rise into billions, radiation prevents civilzation in the former cities again, and it's this really bad time through which people get by by godmodding. Unless of course successfully getting rid of civilzation on the face of the planet for a good couple of decades is your goal....

lol I have more nukes than China, not America.

Also, I believe that at one point the USSR had over 40,000 nuclear weapons while the United States didn't go past 20,000 or something. Now of course they're all lower and the USA has a little over 10,000 (approx) while Russia still has more, although I don't know how many.

Important note: Please don't use nuclear weapons unless they have been used upon you first. That way it doesn't turn into one of those wars where everyone declares war on everyone else and just launches nukes at them and everyone gets nuked back to the stone age, and it's just a really messy business. So, please, don't do that. Even all the fascist countries. It's no fun then.

edit: I'm not saying that you absolutely can't use nukes - you can, and I can, (as long as you have them). But what usually happens is it turns into a nuclear stalemate unlike the cold war because this time the nukes have been sent, the cities destroyed, the millions dead, and.........now what? Half the world is a desolate wasteland, death count could rise into billions, radiation prevents civilzation in the former cities again, and it's this really bad time through which people get by by godmodding. Unless of course successfully getting rid of civilzation on the face of the planet for a good couple of decades is your goal....

I was planning on sticking to conventional combat with maybe some unconventional weaponry added in (Chemical and orbital weapons. Yes, The USSR waslloking into god rodsin the 80's and supposedly was on its way to developing a weapons-grade particle-beam cannon.).

ZOMG! I'm so sorry!:eek::( Doing so NOW (as soon as this reply goes through). Jolt's been confusing me to the edge of reason by not refreshing properly and I've been missing posts left-and-right...

That's fine. I figured as much. The beginning of my factbook is in my signature; below the futuretech portion.

lol I have more nukes than China, not America.

Also, I believe that at one point the USSR had over 40,000 nuclear weapons while the United States didn't go past 20,000 or something. Now of course they're all lower and the USA has a little over 10,000 (approx) while Russia still has more, although I don't know how many.

Important note: Please don't use nuclear weapons unless they have been used upon you first. That way it doesn't turn into one of those wars where everyone declares war on everyone else and just launches nukes at them and everyone gets nuked back to the stone age, and it's just a really messy business. So, please, don't do that. Even all the fascist countries. It's no fun then.

edit: I'm not saying that you absolutely can't use nukes - you can, and I can, (as long as you have them). But what usually happens is it turns into a nuclear stalemate unlike the cold war because this time the nukes have been sent, the cities destroyed, the millions dead, and.........now what? Half the world is a desolate wasteland, death count could rise into billions, radiation prevents civilzation in the former cities again, and it's this really bad time through which people get by by godmodding. Unless of course successfully getting rid of civilzation on the face of the planet for a good couple of decades is your goal....

Well, when you get threatened by a rather beserk country (as of recent) that wouldn't mind throwing around nukes...
You use force to make your point clear.

I'd much rather stick to conventional warfare-much more satisfying-but if someone wants to nuke me, you'll be I'll glass them into the Mesozoic Era.

factbook coming soon....:)

Just warning all of you, The UR is going to launch the first annexation to start off the RP. Just a heads up.

Just warning all of you, The UR is going to launch the first annexation to start off the RP. Just a heads up.

Sweet.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12515778 <-- Fact book largely finished but parts still WIP but We're open for Diplomacy rarr

Corbournne;12510858']I asked for it, but someone said it belonged to China.

Anyways, I'm working on a factbook that should be ready before nightfall. (EST)
Can't believe I overlooked this :headbang:, but would anyone mind me adding Taiwan to the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere right off before Courbonne's factbook is done? It would give Japan the full empire they once desired (aside from China), while still leaving China reason enough to kick some butt. I just prefer not to leave the current US-defended Taiwan regime in place if that means ESS is at all likely to n00k itself over Taiwan before the IC year's out, not if I can help it. 'K?:confused: I should think a rollicking Sino-Japanese War should be enough for us bloodthirsty types here...:D

Can't believe I overlooked this :headbang:, but would anyone mind me adding Taiwan to the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere right off before Courbonne's factbook is done? It would give Japan the full empire they once desired (aside from China), while still leaving China reason enough to kick some butt. I just prefer not to leave the current US-defended Taiwan regime in place if that means ESS is at all likely to n00k itself over Taiwan before the IC year's out, not if I can help it. 'K?:confused: I should think a rollicking Sino-Japanese War should be enough for us bloodthirsty types here...:D

Probaly be better if Taiwan was in Japanese hands, as I'd probaly let it get steamrolled. I'm focusing in on the Bahamas and shoring up a giant defensive line against Mexico.

Can't believe I overlooked this :headbang:, but would anyone mind me adding Taiwan to the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere right off before Courbonne's factbook is done? It would give Japan the full empire they once desired (aside from China), while still leaving China reason enough to kick some butt. I just prefer not to leave the current US-defended Taiwan regime in place if that means ESS is at all likely to n00k itself over Taiwan before the IC year's out, not if I can help it. 'K?:confused: I should think a rollicking Sino-Japanese War should be enough for us bloodthirsty types here...:D

Yeah, sorry about the factbook, I was waiting for the approval of Taiwan.

Updated map (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/earthss-2.png)

Yeah, sorry about the factbook, I was waiting for the approval of Taiwan.
So approved. Adding now (sorry about more work so soon after finishing the new one, H-Town...:headbang:).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523360

Factbook and Diplomatic Thread

Corbournne;12521116']http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523360

Factbook and Diplomatic Thread
Already added, but thanks for the post.;) Any others I missed? I swear there was a glut of them a few days back that I just couldn't keep up with.
Oh, and also, mine's (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t-522923) up enough to RP from at least. More needs doing, but that can wait...

Yeah, Wagdog, I don't want to sound like I can just sweep Kazakhstan without resistance, but Kazakhstan can't and won't be a failiure like Afghanistan was.

1) Most of it is flat plains with some scattered mountains around (Aside from Almaty...)

2) Unlike the previous Russian Army, this one is a bit more skilled in counter-insurgency.

Yeah, Wagdog, I don't want to sound like I can just sweep Kazakhstan without resistance, but Kazakhstan can't and won't be a failiure like Afghanistan was.

1) Most of it is flat plains with some scattered mountains around (Aside from Almaty...)

2) Unlike the previous Russian Army, this one is a bit more skilled in counter-insurgency.

This suit is NOT BLACK!

You may have trouble with the gypsies in Kazahkstan [/Borat Jokes]

Anyway, RP its roll-over, than...I'm sure you can dedicate enough 24-hour bombing runs to cause some severe damage.

Yeah, Wagdog, I don't want to sound like I can just sweep Kazakhstan without resistance, but Kazakhstan can't and won't be a failiure like Afghanistan was.

1) Most of it is flat plains with some scattered mountains around (Aside from Almaty...)

2) Unlike the previous Russian Army, this one is a bit more skilled in counter-insurgency.
Just looked at my globe, point taken :headbang:; although it will apply less as my forces head south towards the mountainous central and southeastern districts along the PRC border. However, regardless my units are going to rumble forward and inflict what losses they can before the end; really more as a massive covering force for evacuating as much of the government as possible and to support the dispersal of what partisan-nuclei I can to give your NKVD some practice in that regard.:D Well, that and to deny you as much hardware as you'd like to claim, from either battlefield attrition or destruction of arsenals. Give me a bit of time though before my IC reply, since I need to dig up more detail on the Kazakh Army proper (most info I have only glosses that, while giving great details on the air force). Two questions first: were your Blackjacks firing from within Russian territory, as I presume? And what is your take on the USSR breakup this timeline?
Oh, and I might point out that the Kazakh capital was moved to Astana close to ten years ago, although I prefer Almaty myself.:p Needless to say, once this surge of Foxhounds is done they'll be holding over Astana and points surrounding in as many numbers as can be kept in the air around-the-clock to support the government's evac preparations. That is, as soon as they're done swatting down those misdirected missiles, of course...

Yeah, I just began a cruise missile campaign on Almaty and I plan bomb out as many air bases there as possible. Once Air Superiority is gained, the URM's armor can sweep the country and take the main cities and factories on the flat areas, then concentrating on the mountanous areas after a firm foothold is gained.

Just looked at my globe, point taken :headbang:; although it will apply less as my forces head south towards the mountainous central and southeastern districts along the PRC border. However, regardless my units are going to rumble forward and inflict what losses they can before the end; really more as a massive covering force for evacuating as much of the government as possible and to support the dispersal of what partisan-nuclei I can to give your NKVD some practice in that regard.:D Well, that and to deny you as much hardware as you'd like to claim, from either battlefield attrition or destruction of arsenals. Give me a bit of time though before my IC reply, since I need to dig up more detail on the Kazakh Army proper (most info I have only glosses that, while giving great details on the air force). Two questions first: were your Blackjacks firing from within Russian territory, as I presume? And what is your take on the USSR breakup this timeline?
Oh, and I might point out that the Kazakh capital was moved to Astana close to ten years ago, although I prefer Almaty myself.:p Needless to say, once this surge of Foxhounds is done they'll be holding over Astana and points surrounding in as many numbers as can be kept in the air around-the-clock to support the government's evac preparations. That is, as soon as they're done swatting down those misdirected missiles, of course...

Oh, the map I looked at showed Almaty as the capital. Damn. And the jets fired from within Russian bordrs since the Kh-55 Cruise Missile has a range of about 1900nm, so Almaty is withing range. I can change the target to Astana if you wish, or we could just say the Capital change never occured.

Oh, the map I looked at showed Almaty as the capital. Damn. And the jets fired from within Russian bordrs since the Kh-55 Cruise Missile has a range of about 1900nm, so Almaty is withing range. I can change the target to Astana if you wish, or we could just say the Capital change never occured.
Well, since you're determined to strike the capital, editing it to Astana is fine.;) As a rule I try to keep the NPC countries exempt from the suspension rules since technically they're proverbial "'bots", countries without a character beyond what the mod plays them with. If another world I do later has custom NPC countries this would change, of course; but for now I'd rather the proviso-rules I gave apply only to players-proper and their claims so that ESS obeys the KISS Principle as much as possible.

If it is still possible, could I make a claim on Mexico, Guatemala, Belieze, El Salvador, Hondoras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama?

I always wanted to create a Central American Empire.

We're always open, but Wagdog has to confirm you.

If it is still possible, could I make a claim on Mexico, Guatemala, Belieze, El Salvador, Hondoras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama?

I always wanted to create a Central American Empire.
Central American Empire it is then; welcome aboard.:D Will add as soon as I can find a color I haven't used, though thats' a good thing IMO of course since it means this Earth is filling up.

Ach, looks like I'm gonna go after Jamaica and the Bahamas now.

Jk, welcome aboard, Sendersdale. Glad to have a geographic neighbor.

Now NAR shall join the Empire of Doom!

lol just joking (unless you really want too:D )

anyhow I made a factbook/embassy exchange

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523486

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12526480

My factbook/diplomatic relations thread. I'm back now.

Also, could someone tell me if their is anything interesting going on with this yet - I've seen the general IC thread and numerous factbooks, anything else?

Also, to shamefully double post, I have started an RP - more info inside, it's basically about a rebellion in Portugal but I've tried to make it less boring and standard by creating a government scandel out of it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523594

Hey, what is up? Sorry that I have been gone. I've had a busy week.

Also is it possible that I could claim Moldova, and Slovakia as well as change my nation's name to The Czechalrus Federation? If so thanks!

Hey, what is up? Sorry that I have been gone. I've had a busy week.

Also is it possible that I could claim Moldova, and Slovakia as well as change my nation's name to The Czechalrus Federation? If so thanks!
No problem, so long as you had some RL fun too.;) Moldova's clear, and I'm adding it now, but Slovakia is already in the Greater Germanic Alliance's claim (they've got that old Habsburg Empire's claim on Slovakia/"Moravia" going on...:() and waiting for the next map update; which can include your growth in Moldova too at least.
Note that if you want to use any of your NS tech in your military, you still can since you haven't actually gotten into any RP situations yet; though once you do get into full RP, your initial forces are set and will have to go through RP development and purchase of weaponry before you can replace anything, after you start scenarios proper. Whatever you choose for your main-draft factbook, just post it in here and I'll add the link when it's time.

No problem, so long as you had some RL fun too.;) Moldova's clear, and I'm adding it now, but Slovakia is already in the Greater Germanic Alliance's claim (they've got that old Habsburg Empire's claim on Slovakia/"Moravia" going on...:() and waiting for the next map update; which can include your growth in Moldova too at least.
Note that if you want to use any of your NS tech in your military, you still can since you haven't actually gotten into any RP situations yet; though once you do get into full RP, your initial forces are set and will have to go through RP development and purchase of weaponry before you can replace anything, after you start scenarios proper. Whatever you choose for your main-draft factbook, just post it in here and I'll add the link when it's time.

Alright, thanks man. I better get all my NS weapons into my military!

Hello all

Well my ideas for Middle East and And North Africa are takin so lets see what i can grab...

Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Guyana, Suriname, French Guiana, Bolivia and Paraguay.

If possible i would also like to snatch the Galapagos Isands as a Nuke Test site as well as a naval yard. I will be rping as the USSM or United Socialist States of Marxikhan. I have fact book/other info on the way

Sorry i thought i posted, but W/ ill do it again...


USSM or Marxikhan

Colombia, Venezuela, French Guiana, Suriname, Guyana, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia Paraguay and the Galpagos for Naval Base/Nuke Test Site

Sorry I'm not a bit confused on the wepon system, what age are we looking for, i am assuming modern? And population is modern day right? Thanks ahead


i aplogize to any of you who find my missing post....not sure where i might have posted it in LOL

Sorry i thought i posted, but W/ ill do it again...


USSM or Marxikhan

Colombia, Venezuela, French Guiana, Suriname, Guyana, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia Paraguay and the Galpagos for Naval Base/Nuke Test Site

Sorry I'm not a bit confused on the wepon system, what age are we looking for, i am assuming modern? And population is modern day right? Thanks ahead


i aplogize to any of you who find my missing post....not sure where i might have posted it in LOL
Claim approved;), although I warn you Brazil/H-Town Tejas is going to have reason to suspect something; what with Paraugay producing the most hydroelectric power of anywhere in the world (perfect for powering weapons labs)... Really, I put Kampfers in for a similarly-powerful claim with the Greater German Alliance, so I apologize for at first holding back on your claim. Have fun, and go for it; that's what ESS is about and I'm glad you reminded me!:)

Alright, I know that I (referring to post count) have pretty much no experience at RPing in II, but i've been reading the forums for over a year now, so I hopefully know the basics when it comes to RPing. And better late than never to start, eh?

I'd like start off relatively small so I can take some time to learn how everything should work. With that in mind i'd like to submit a claim for the "Mongolian Republic", which is made up of, um, Mongolia. I figure that's plenty big enough. Being stuck in the middle of several world powers might be pretty interesting. :D

Alright, I know that I (referring to post count) have pretty much no experience at RPing in II, but i've been reading the forums for over a year now, so I hopefully know the basics when it comes to RPing. And better late than never to start, eh?

I'd like start off relatively small so I can take some time to learn how everything should work. With that in mind i'd like to submit a claim for the "Mongolian Republic", which is made up of, um, Mongolia. I figure that's plenty big enough. Being stuck in the middle of several world powers might be pretty interesting. :D
Care to exchange IMs? I think we've met before...

Alright, I know that I (referring to post count) have pretty much no experience at RPing in II, but i've been reading the forums for over a year now, so I hopefully know the basics when it comes to RPing. And better late than never to start, eh?

I'd like start off relatively small so I can take some time to learn how everything should work. With that in mind i'd like to submit a claim for the "Mongolian Republic", which is made up of, um, Mongolia. I figure that's plenty big enough. Being stuck in the middle of several world powers might be pretty interesting. :D
Indeed, that's my situation both here and in NS more broadly; hence we both have to pick what allies we may and either (preferably) stick to them whatever happens, or change them like socks if we can't for whatever reason. Claim is approved, and anyway do remember that you can make Mongolia more powerful by substituting out whatever equipment you don't want for what you do (not by too much mind, since you need to balance out the new force and the old one; eyeballing it usually but if you can research more precisely, great:cool:). This should help you survive a bit longer at least. Good luck!:D

[QUOTE=Wagdog;12532618]Claim approved;), although I warn you Brazil/H-Town Tejas is going to have reason to suspect something; what with Paraugay producing the most hydroelectric power of anywhere in the world (perfect for powering weapons labs)...QUOTE]


Hey that just makes it more fun!

Do you know a good place to start the research? Could i get a link please, my first guess was Wikipedia but if there is somthing...better than that would be great!

[QUOTE=Wagdog;12532618]Claim approved;), although I warn you Brazil/H-Town Tejas is going to have reason to suspect something; what with Paraugay producing the most hydroelectric power of anywhere in the world (perfect for powering weapons labs)...QUOTE]


Hey that just makes it more fun!

Do you know a good place to start the research? Could i get a link please, my first guess was Wikipedia but if there is somthing...better than that would be great!

For my nations factbook I used Wiki and the CIA World Factbook. (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/)

Alright, I know that I (referring to post count) have pretty much no experience at RPing in II, but i've been reading the forums for over a year now, so I hopefully know the basics when it comes to RPing. And better late than never to start, eh?

I'd like start off relatively small so I can take some time to learn how everything should work. With that in mind i'd like to submit a claim for the "Mongolian Republic", which is made up of, um, Mongolia. I figure that's plenty big enough. Being stuck in the middle of several world powers might be pretty interesting. :D

You're just lucky China isn't an aggressor. :P I doubt Russia would do much either as well....everyone just seems to ignore those countries as 'wastelands' I think, but that can be changed in time. :)

In my opinion we need more from this, I know there is a possibility of a GGA conflict with Erstereich (if he is even on), but maybe we could create some united alliance, a mixture of the UN, EU and G8. The founders would be the most powerful nations, the Western Countries (and China, Japan, India and Russia - though obviously not all of them can be founders, maybe limit it to the WEF, North America, Russia and the GGA) basically. Then from there the founders choose who enters from the applicants, by voting them in much like many NS alliances do.

This was just a quick idea and it has its faults, as currently there may be not enough active nations to do this, and it may make the more economically powerful nations look elitist. Another problem is the fact it may cause conflicts as some may not wish to join the alliance (which will probably be quite democratic and good, though capitalist) and will oppose it - though I don't see this as a fault, it would only add to the fun of ESS! This alliance as it is probably won't work, though I'd be interested in something similar. Are there any plans from people for further RP's? As I have an unhealthy amount of free time. :p

You're just lucky China isn't an aggressor. :P I doubt Russia would do much either as well....everyone just seems to ignore those countries as 'wastelands' I think, but that can be changed in time. :)

Oh, I know, Mongolia isn't exactly desirable territory, which makes it a wee bit easier on me. Still, the country does have a history of being dominated by China (in the Imperial times) and Russia (more recently), although i'm planning to play it as though the country never fell directly under the influence of the Soviet bloc. We'll just have to see what fun I can have with the descendants of the Khans. :D What governmental style are you planning on having China fall under (communist, I assume)?

In other news, i'll try to get up a factbook sometime tomorrow, as i'm heading off to sleep soon. G'night.

In my opinion we need more from this, I know there is a possibility of a GGA conflict with Erstereich (if he is even on), but maybe we could create some united alliance, a mixture of the UN, EU and G8. The founders would be the most powerful nations, the Western Countries (and China, Japan, India and Russia - though obviously not all of them can be founders, maybe limit it to the WEF, North America, Russia and the GGA) basically. Then from there the founders choose who enters from the applicants, by voting them in much like many NS alliances do.

This was just a quick idea and it has its faults, as currently there may be not enough active nations to do this, and it may make the more economically powerful nations look elitist. Another problem is the fact it may cause conflicts as some may not wish to join the alliance (which will probably be quite democratic and good, though capitalist) and will oppose it - though I don't see this as a fault, it would only add to the fun of ESS! This alliance as it is probably won't work, though I'd be interested in something similar. Are there any plans from people for further RP's? As I have an unhealthy amount of free time. :p

Sounds good to me and the GGA :p
Ya, im gonna call off that war. Hes never on, and i would get tired of rping how my troops crushed his. im just gonna say i rescued my dude.

Sounds good to me and the GGA :p
Ya, im gonna call off that war. Hes never on, and i would get tired of rping how my troops crushed his. im just gonna say i rescued my dude.

I may do that big alliance thing, depending on whether enough people support it.

Though I think an international conflict would be fun if the one you were starting is happening. I mean, I know peace is good etc. etc. - but RPing war is much better. There are loads of ways conflict could arise, the Mongolian thing, the South Americans and their possible nuclear weapons, the GGA being a ditactorship (I think). Just makes it more interesting. But it's early days yet I suppose.

Sounds good to me and the GGA :p
Ya, im gonna call off that war. Hes never on, and i would get tired of rping how my troops crushed his. im just gonna say i rescued my dude.
Fine, although if you need to fight him over whatever reason I could TG him and... well wait, does he even have a factbook up?:confused: I'd hate to have to retcon his forces in the middle of a war if I fought for him as an emergency measure until he could get back on (per the PC/NPC war rules, since as I've said before I agree with you: one-poster threads where a claim gets technically godmodded into success are BORING...:rolleyes:). Also, anybody whose factbooks I've missed, by all means post the links and I can get them up over tonight; sry for any mistakes...:(

Working on fact book now, until then on the other ESS thread i announced Neutrality, I just hope i can stay out of the headlines until i get this complete.:rolleyes:

I may do that big alliance thing, depending on whether enough people support it.

Though I think an international conflict would be fun if the one you were starting is happening. I mean, I know peace is good etc. etc. - but RPing war is much better. There are loads of ways conflict could arise, the Mongolian thing, the South Americans and their possible nuclear weapons, the GGA being a ditactorship (I think). Just makes it more interesting. But it's early days yet I suppose.

Well, I believe me and Candistan are going to do a Russian-American war game soon-but starting an international war could be even more fun. 'Specially if it was in Europe with three big nations there-or in SE Asia, with Mongolia, China, Russia, and Animarnia all there...

Hey all apologies about my disappearing. Anyway, I just read the 13 pages I missed and posting to say Im working on a Factbook and to say I haven't left yet.

Great to have ya' back, Silvado.

Just as we're on the ideas road-I may do a Cuban Revolt as well (I included Cuba in my territory for all of Miami, but I may use them as the American atagonists as well in several RPs [No Rascism here, just politics.])

Well, I believe me and Candistan are going to do a Russian-American war game soon-but starting an international war could be even more fun. 'Specially if it was in Europe with three big nations there-or in SE Asia, with Mongolia, China, Russia, and Animarnia all there...

sounds cool. I think the asia war wood be tight, esp. if i could deploy forces there if asked. The NAR-UR may b okay, but i've got a nap with both, so I cant fight...:(

sounds cool. I think the asia war wood be tight, esp. if i could deploy forces there if asked. The NAR-UR may b okay, but i've got a nap with both, so I cant fight...:(

Wargames. UR and NAR are at a "Calm" level on my Diplomacy-o-Meter, but it's just to test our forces and see how they can do against each other. Simulated war.

On a side note, I TG'ed both Vetaka and Erstereich about if they're still in just now.

Great to have ya' back, Silvado.

Just as we're on the ideas road-I may do a Cuban Revolt as well (I included Cuba in my territory for all of Miami, but I may use them as the American atagonists as well in several RPs [No Rascism here, just politics.])

Yeah Its good to be back. I have to go read the IC thread now and work on my factbook.

Yeah, Russia and the USA have actually done a few naval games before at Hawaii. One was in '96, the other...I forgot. And you know, Kampfers, NAPs doesnt mean you can't attack them. Even though it says that you can't, nothing is really stopping you to move in on the country you have the NAP with other than that piece of paper.

hey AB; so what do you want to do with this Boat thats sinking?

Hey not sure if ya'll got it let me just throw some numbers at you....


Total Pop. 515,712,876


Faith: 94 percent Roman Catholic 6 percent other


Annual amount of people in military 2,092, 834

Note that military is subject to change if we enter war/military spending is increased


Thanks for having to put up with all of my OMG CNN! news on the other fourm :D

What countries is your nation comprised of?

Marxikhan your country's population should be 126,223,468 est. July 2005.

Just wondering, does WEF control all his oversea colonies that France, Spain, and the UK have?

Marxikhan your country's population should be 126,223,468 est. July 2005.

Just wondering, does WEF control all his oversea colonies that France, Spain, and the UK have?
No, not all of them. For myself I claimed New Caledonia (FR) and Tuvalu (FR) right off; as well as Tokelau (NZ), American Samoa (US), Guam (US), the Northern Marianas (US), and Wake Island (US). In other words, players need to claim their territories or lose them to others; unless they can either convince a player to give the territory back or fight to retake it somehow.

Yeah i relized that my first source was well...wrong. So i have gotton some more info, and i got a rounded up version of the population(from wikipedia) placing me at 127,889,200 but if I will go with your pop. if i need to. What is the percent of my pop. that becomes military? My guess was 5% in war and 3% in peace:headbang:

At this stage, I usually use the population already used in my military. 3% and 5% is actually a pretty large army size, because that would make your army in the millions.

Then again it is your country.

At this stage, I usually use the population already used in my military. 3% and 5% is actually a pretty large army size, because that would make your army in the millions.

Then again it is your country.
Kk thanks, do you know a good percent/number to go with, becuse the my previous military number ended being too high and i did use the normal army pop. for my countrys :confused:

we could also have a war game with the maj. powers (UR, WEF, GGA, NAR) fight evry1 else...

Sorry for being MIA guys, I completely forgot this was going on... I'm sure that I have missed a whole lot and will probably not be able to get caught up, especially considering how new I am to this whole thing.

Sorry for being MIA guys, I completely forgot this was going on... I'm sure that I have missed a whole lot and will probably not be able to get caught up, especially considering how new I am to this whole thing.
Well I'm about to head for bed, but you've mostly missed just embassy exchanges and an abortive invasion of Kazakhstan by Candistan/Union of the Russias that I frustrated (RPing the Kazakhs per mod's obligation) to the point that the Kazakhs lost as well as they ever could (i.e. not getting entirely steamrolled, and still having a say in what pro-Russian government they elect soon...). You might be able to get something cool going on with Kampfers, so don't give up!:) Glad to have you back, and aside from my mod duties I'm about as active as you so don't sweat it too much.

Sorry for being MIA guys, I completely forgot this was going on... I'm sure that I have missed a whole lot and will probably not be able to get caught up, especially considering how new I am to this whole thing.

ya, i was about 2 attack you, but called it off. you can read about it in the IC thread...

Marxikhan your country's population should be 126,223,468 est. July 2005.

Just wondering, does WEF control all his oversea colonies that France, Spain, and the UK have?

I didn't claim them no, I'm powerful enough as it is really.

As for the an international war, if the GGA thing is still on that would be a great one as it would involve Europe and it's allies and really there is no set bad guy who everyone would turn themselves against. If not the Asia war or North/Central America war would be good, though you'd have to think of something to trigger it..I'd be happy to get involved whatever.

If so i might alli with Mexico in the North America/Central America War, as soon as i finish my factbook, it's almost done :D


And as for triggering the war above, it could be some small conflict in the caribbean over the annex of some small island countrys(but Mexico annexing not me)


or you as the American Republic could try to relive their "dark dictator" of his duty's

In my opinion we need more from this, I know there is a possibility of a GGA conflict with Erstereich (if he is even on), but maybe we could create some united alliance, a mixture of the UN, EU and G8. The founders would be the most powerful nations, the Western Countries (and China, Japan, India and Russia - though obviously not all of them can be founders, maybe limit it to the WEF, North America, Russia and the GGA) basically. Then from there the founders choose who enters from the applicants, by voting them in much like many NS alliances do.

This was just a quick idea and it has its faults, as currently there may be not enough active nations to do this, and it may make the more economically powerful nations look elitist. Another problem is the fact it may cause conflicts as some may not wish to join the alliance (which will probably be quite democratic and good, though capitalist) and will oppose it - though I don't see this as a fault, it would only add to the fun of ESS! This alliance as it is probably won't work, though I'd be interested in something similar. Are there any plans from people for further RP's? As I have an unhealthy amount of free time. :p

The GEACPS would be interested in founding such an organization.

The GEACPS would be interested in founding such an organization.

Great, though I'm a tad unsure about how to create charters etc. so this alliance thing could take sometime, unless someone is willing to help?

Great, though I'm a tad unsure about how to create charters etc. so this alliance thing could take sometime, unless someone is willing to help?

I'm unexperienced with stuff like that, too, but I could try to put something together.

Marxikhan, I've replied to your TG.

Okay, I went ahead and posted a factbook, but it, um, didn't appear anywhere. Is it normal for new threads to take awhile to show up? I'm just afraid that i'll try to repost it and end up having duplicate threads or something.

Okay, I went ahead and posted a factbook, but it, um, didn't appear anywhere. Is it normal for new threads to take awhile to show up? I'm just afraid that i'll try to repost it and end up having duplicate threads or something.

All people who have under ten posts are moderated, just wait a bit and it will appear. I've replied again to your TG M-etc..

Not sure if anyone who would take part in this but is anyone interested in the Central America/North America war (when i ask is anyone i mean you two?)
As long as this annextion thing dosn't evolove into somthing much much worse that should be fun to do...

Ah, but where's the fun in keeping these kinds of conflicts local? World war! world war! :P

*ahem* In any event, though, once i'm done with the factbook and all, i'll start getting more and more into what's going on (posting in the IC thread, etc, etc), though i'm at a loss as to something for us to RP over in Asia at the moment (short of someone invading me, which might be a bit heavy for a novice like myself, though I wouldn't be completely averse to it). Anyone in the region have an idea for us to mull over?

Russia would be interested in an alliance of the sorts, but under one condition: No Communists. Period.

A world war would be fun, would take some organizing though and a big thing to trigger it, or at least something that left the world divided and hostile.

And Candistan, the alliance would focus on the large ecomonic powers of the world, and is very democratic and capitalist. Are there any major powers in ESS that are commie?

LOL nope there only four commys i think Wagdog, me and Brasil, and china

Marxikhan, I've TG'd you about the whole conflict issue between the WEF and you.

Marxikhan, the UR is kind of bitching you out for your PM's actions in the IC thread. They are awaiting your response.

thanks i got it, well if what my country wanted was attention it sure got it!

hey btw i started my annextion party, but no one came :( its a new thread under the name MArxikhan News Confrance(ess only) so any of you who want to watch this evolve into somthing horrible your welcome to watch :D

hey btw i started my annextion party, but no one came :( its a new thread under the name MArxikhan News Confrance(ess only) so any of you who want to watch this evolve into somthing horrible your welcome to watch :D

Conference - :D

Yeah, I posted. Other nations, feel free to join this little war, make it into something bigger.

YAY commies vs the world!

lol, this is gonna be one hell of a massacre.

YAY commies vs the world!

lol, this is gonna be one hell of a massacre.

Shame I'm going soon - I'm on a different time zone. Though don't end the war without me, give it going on for a while...

Someone will side with you Marxikhan don't be discouraged. Even if you do lose this war, I have no plans to invade your nation, as that would be a bit hypocritical, so it's not your end or anything.

lol good to know, just making sure i don't burn out before the real conflict begins. Also we can't make it commys vs. the world seeing as the commy nations are some of the smallest ie me, brasil, wagdog, china vs. the rest of the world?

exactly. its containment, not invasion.

good just making sure this is a proxy war not a real war(as in my invasion) :D

good just making sure this is a proxy war not a real war(as in my invasion) :D

Yeah, it's only over a few small islands. Obviously if you start unleashing nuclear weapons on me then it will be the latter, but, erm, that won't happen..right? ;)

Anyways, I'm off now basically.

No wepons :rolleyes: *fingers crossed* but yeah ok.....:D

The little conflict is progressing well, in any case. In fact, it almost looks like it may be finished all too soon. Ah well. :P

EDIT: Or not. Things are heating up again, it would seem. Ahem.

In other news, I have a factbook (of sorts) up and running: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523867. I'll start on applying for embassies in other folks' nations tomorrow or something; in the meantime, i'm going to bed. G'night.

The NAR is fiercely capitalist, so the word communism will rise them...

As for a Central American War-I could do it, but if it involved the Carribean-that would mean a naval war...and there really isn't any other American naval power around.

Animarnia: about the sinking ship, go ahead and do what looks good with it. I basically just through the ship in for a news liner underneath my Planet discovery (RL event, actually).

Honako: I used to write charters for alliances for the game CyberNations, I could certainly do it for a UN kinda thing.

The UR, being an extreme right-wing nation, has posted its thoughts and actions on the thread. I'd like to see him get out of what I have for him...

Sigh well it is clear that there is a seirus need for more commys if this breaks out into a blue/red conflict (i hope i dosn't) an internation conflict should be fun but only if it is close to fair

man this is going to ruin my country unless i get some support sigh...any how the biggest question is Will any one in the world take up arms against a country who has killed so many innocent lives? With the UR's little knowledge of the event and random bombings will their be international attention due to his poor judgment(last bit IC)

The UR is merely trying to stop the spread of Communism to T&T.

man this is going to ruin my country unless i get some support sigh...any how the biggest question is Will any one in the world take up arms against a country who has killed so many innocent lives? With the UR's little knowledge of the event and random bombings will their be international attention due to his poor judgment(last bit IC)

The NAR is looking to preserve a favorable Western Hemisphere BoP-all while calling it "preserving T&T's natural freedoms and sovereignty from aggression". Call it what you want, but the NAR, seemingly nice, has an agenda.

man this is going to ruin my country unless i get some support sigh...any how the biggest question is Will any one in the world take up arms against a country who has killed so many innocent lives? With the UR's little knowledge of the event and random bombings will their be international attention due to his poor judgment(last bit IC)

Preach to Amnesty. About 1 year later it will become an issue in the UN otherwise...maybe 2 or more. Its not really cost effective to do that for any nation, so we will see less hyper interventionalists. China is stable and neutral on these matters as well though.

By killing innocent people that chose their ideaology?

Yeah looks like im ganna have to pull out :( i really dont want to die be4 all the real fun starts, looks like i shot myself in the foot with this one. And the 4 communist nations of the world are ganna go down fast :( :headbang:

Yeah looks like im ganna have to pull out :( i really dont want to die be4 all the real fun starts, looks like i shot myself in the foot with this one. And the 4 communist nations of the world are ganna go down fast :( :headbang:

China is communist, but you still have to appeal to them, I take issues seriously. If America gets involved China will though.

As do i, but Russia borders you and you will soon find a war on your door step

As do i, but Russia borders you and you will soon find a war on your door step

And Russia also happens to border me through the Beiring Strait. It's one big merry-go-round!

Like I said before, The UR doesn't have a bad rap with China since they have a capitalist economy, so they have nothing to worry about unless they really do something bad. And I mean REALLY bad.

As do i, but Russia borders you and you will soon find a war on your door step

Why would Russia attack China? China purchased over $21 Bil in military hardware from them last RL year, so they are likely on still good terms and we ARE China (no political power change).

Any how, I'm done with trying to help countrys from oppression, and at least a new leader will be put into place for T&T, lets just hope this time its not another dictator

And the GGA borders both Russia and the WEF!!!
yay...
we really need a world war here.

A world war would be cool, as long as the sides are even

ya, we should pick teams...

ex:

Team 1:
GGA, UR, NAR, Arminia, KoS

Team 2:
WEF, China, Wagdog, KoE, and evry1 else

Are we seriously picking teams for a world war? This is rediculous. Instead of picking teams like a sports game, how about we get teams according to political views and such. That way, we don't have teams like Israel and Saudi Arabia vs. the USA.

lol i agree, Im just saying if we do get into a war i don't want it to be major over kill (ie world versus me)

it was a joke.

in that case, it would be 2 complicated...

Commies (china, marxkihan, wagdog) vs Fascists (UR and GGA) vs Democracy (every-freaking-body else)

and democracy would dominate.

I don't think that would work. The UR and the NAR have pretty good relations. Same with Animarnia. Plus, not everyone has to get involved in the war. You need to remember what your country goes through in times of turmoil.

yes, i understand. I was just showing that a war based on idealogy would not work.

the GGA has good relations with the WEF, NAR, UR, and Arminria. SO it wouldn't work for me either.

And im not on good terms with anyone so yeah, and it appears that some nations have such a deep hatred for some countrys it would never work. Any big war would never work becuse the any one who is in an alliance is the world powers and the world powers are any one who is active

Marxikhan, you just have to get really good relations with your commie brothers. Then you will have their support so you won't be alone.

Yeah, I think they're pretty much a left wing version of the UR.

Somthing i am trying to do, im looking for China Factbook and i Brazil hasn't been on, and i will seek germany's support

Hey whats up? I finally made a full factbook here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12539598&posted=1#post12539598)

I will precipitate in any world war, though...

Team 1:
GGA, UR, NAR, Arminia, KoS

Team 2:
WEF, China, Wagdog, KoE, and evry1 else

The fact you would consider me on the side against from my allies is a tad strange - considering the GGA, NAR and Central America are the only nations I would say I have close relations with.

Though the WEF is not like most capitalist nations, we do not fear or wish to stop the Communism - over time they will do that themselves. The reason we went into T&T was because we saw Imperialism all over it, though sadly that seems to have ended now before it really began...

Although I posted in the other thread saying of my dismay at the end of that, if there is a chance of a world war I would stop that now without a second thought.

Starting the war would not be hard - all it would take was a little bit of anger between two major nations and them threatening to bomb or maybe just killing some high up member of government or maybe not a world superpower, like Marxikhan, starting to invade the quite unclaimed Latin America much like Germany did with Europe in World War II. Though personally I believe a European/Asian war would be by far the most interesting as they are the most overpopulated areas.

But then you have the issue with the sides, as no one but China doesn't seem to want to stand up against the four major powers - me, NAR, UR and GGA (though to be fair China is a major power itself). I quite like the Commie vs. The World thing, but thats probably only cause they are doomed to lose. I'll leave some more intelligent mind to think of sides and how we could work this out maybe...

The NAR is fiercely capitalist, so the word communism will rise them...

As for a Central American War-I could do it, but if it involved the Carribean-that would mean a naval war...and there really isn't any other American naval power around.

Animarnia: about the sinking ship, go ahead and do what looks good with it. I basically just through the ship in for a news liner underneath my Planet discovery (RL event, actually).

Honako: I used to write charters for alliances for the game CyberNations, I could certainly do it for a UN kinda thing.

Missed this. That would be much appreciated, no need to rush with it either as it could maybe be formed after this big war that seems to be developing. I'd help you with it with whatever skills I have in writing charters, but erm, that’s near non-existent. ;)

Central American - NAR war would work but I feel it should be in Asia or Europe as otherwise half the nations would have to go across the world to fight..

Yay another commy!


And the central american war didn't have to be world wide. It would be a regional thing while asia/europe has its war.

OMG maybe it dosn't have to be divided by ideaology, the soivet union allied with America and Britain, it could work to save unfair sides. The "Axis" will be a couple nations that are land grabbers and will be seen as the evil enemy this would probley included UR, GGA and some lesser nations and the allies would be WEF NAR and so on

I will precipitate in any world war, though...



The fact you would consider me on the side against from my allies is a tad strange - considering the GGA, NAR and Central America are the only nations I would say I have close relations with.

Though the WEF is not like most capitalist nations, we do not fear or wish to stop the Communism - over time they will do that themselves. The reason we went into T&T was because we saw Imperialism all over it, though sadly that seems to have ended now before it really began...

Although I posted in the other thread saying of my dismay at the end of that, if there is a chance of a world war I would stop that now without a second thought.

Starting the war would not be hard - all it would take was a little bit of anger between two major nations and them threatening to bomb or maybe just killing some high up member of government or maybe not a world superpower, like Marxikhan, starting to invade the quite unclaimed Latin America much like Germany did with Europe in World War II. Though personally I believe a European/Asian war would be by far the most interesting as they are the most overpopulated areas.

But then you have the issue with the sides, as no one but China doesn't seem to want to stand up against the four major powers - me, NAR, UR and GGA (though to be fair China is a major power itself). I quite like the Commie vs. The World thing, but thats probably only cause they are doomed to lose. I'll leave some more intelligent mind to think of sides and how we could work this out maybe...

:P Hey were willing to stand up to the world powers; though we have good relations with the NAR, GGA and the WEF; relations with the UR are a bit iffy at the moment over the Kazakhstan thing. we handled that quite well; though we may end up in a war with China...I plan on putting some Nuke Missile Silo's in Napal in a few IC years..and we are REALLY Edgy over China well when you have one of the worlds largest standing armys on your door that happens :) hence the large arms purchases and I plan on pimping the hell out of Northgrum-Gruman as soon as the NAR's F-23 becomes avalable for exporting.

Speaking off IC years; is it 2008 now as I may kick off an invasion of Sri Lanka over the sinking for the NAR Cruise liner. as for World Wars I'll look at the middle east..theres a big powderkeg there waiting to be lit if played right. WMD's in Iran anyone? ;)

Now that was funny, WMD's, Iraq, haha :p


Well if we were to get a war started it would be world wide(ie. war in america, war in Europe) so we don't need to worry about regional issues and i would be honored to start the war, as along as i do have a side backing me up


i have a great way to start the conflict in the Western Hemisphere(ie. Cuba Civil war, Latin American countrys go in to back rebels, war starts)that would be alot of fun to do if H-town, Central American and Amazon was on

:P Hey were willing to stand up to the world powers; though we have good relations with the NAR, GGA and the WEF; relations with the UR are a bit iffy at the moment over the Kazakhstan thing. we handled that quite well; though we may end up in a war with China...I plan on putting some Nuke Missile Silo's in Napal in a few IC years..and we are REALLY Edgy over China well when you have one of the worlds largest standing armys on your door that happens :) hence the large arms purchases and I plan on pimping the hell out of Northgrum-Gruman as soon as the NAR's F-23 becomes avalable for exporting.

Speaking off IC years; is it 2008 now as I may kick off an invasion of Sri Lanka over the sinking for the NAR Cruise liner. as for World Wars I'll look at the middle east..theres a big powderkeg there waiting to be lit if played right. WMD's in Iran anyone? ;)

Sorry - I was just judging it on who had responded in this thread. Why exactly are you invading Sri Lanka? Maybe that could trigger a more international war. Please don't say it's cause they have a 'terrorist opressive government'. :)

The only major nation I'd say the WEF is unsure of is Russia, for the same reasons as you. Though I'd count India as a big power anyhow.

Now that was funny, WMD's, Iraq, haha :p


Well if we were to get a war started it would be world wide(ie. war in america, war in Europe) so we don't need to worry about regional issues and i would be honored to start the war, as along as i do have a side backing me up


i have a great way to start the conflict in the Western Hemisphere(ie. Cuba Civil war, Latin American countrys go in to back rebels, war starts)that would be alot of fun to do if H-town, Central American and Amazon was on

Well I can see WMD's in the middle east deviding the world..naturally there on our doorstep so we'd be concerned; and then theres the UR and China not the mention the GGA's lurative oil deal with the middle east. :)..I can't see us going to war over cuba;

Honako:
Its more a "Pacifying" of the Tiger Rebels; we highly suspect they sank that Cruise ship in a sucide bombing. we've given Lanker an ultimatum to either sort out there problems or We will.

Now that was funny, WMD's, Iraq, haha :p


Well if we were to get a war started it would be world wide(ie. war in america, war in Europe) so we don't need to worry about regional issues and i would be honored to start the war, as along as i do have a side backing me up


i have a great way to start the conflict in the Western Hemisphere(ie. Cuba Civil war, Latin American countrys go in to back rebels, war starts)that would be alot of fun to do if H-town, Central American and Amazon was on

Personally I still think the war should be more concentrated in Asia and Europe, though Latin America could have a linked war as well.

Well I can see WMD's in the middle east deviding the world..naturally there on our doorstep so we'd be concerned; and then theres the UR and China not the mention the GGA's lurative oil deal with the middle east. :)..I can't see us going to war over cuba;

Honako:
Its more a "Pacifying" of the Tiger Rebels; we highly suspect they sank that Cruise ship in a sucide bombing. we've given Lanker an ultimatum to either sort out there problems or We will.

I ment just a western hemisphere war, not the world one. Though Russia is going to be the major "bad guy" in this world war., he just seems to scream evil things......:p

Personally I still think the war should be more concentrated in Asia and Europe, though Latin America could have a linked war as well.

Well yeah, like Europe was the main point of World war one and two, but there were other fronts, like africa(no one who has african countrys in on) and middle east(once again not really on) and the pacific

and btw What is the number one power? number two? three? someone should make a list...


the list could be based of Military for the most part and have economy as a small side factor.

Well I can see WMD's in the middle east deviding the world..naturally there on our doorstep so we'd be concerned; and then theres the UR and China not the mention the GGA's lurative oil deal with the middle east. :)..I can't see us going to war over cuba;

Honako:
Its more a "Pacifying" of the Tiger Rebels; we highly suspect they sank that Cruise ship in a sucide bombing. we've given Lanker an ultimatum to either sort out there problems or We will.

Interesting. Unless I'm wrong about the whole situation I can see the WEF being against you in this conflict possibly, most likely not by the use of force, but just in a statement or something. It's not that we endorse the fact they murdered American innocents, but we just might not approve of you removing the Sri Lankan government just because they are too incompetent to stop there terror problem. Should make us a bit different from everything else who might support you.

Though, if this will severely affect our relations or I didn't get the gist of this please tell me. I don't want to end up supporting a terrorist government again like I did in the T&T conflict.

Heh that looks like an asain version of our conflict, maybe this one will work out :D

and btw What is the number one power? number two? three? someone should make a list...


the list could be based of Military for the most part and have economy as a small side factor.

Guessing I'd say it's probably economically the top three are NAR, China, WEF or GGA (I'm unsure as they have Germany and a lot more nations). Military wise it's probably Russia, NAR and China - that’s in no order though.

Heh that looks like an asain version of our conflict, maybe this one will work out :D

No, because I don't want to harm relations with India really, - so we won't forcefully remove them. Plus I don't know the full story

:( awww I ment a full list :p but w/e, if we have a major conflict it dose need to have a small Latin America conflict in it some im not left out :( i don't really have the power to be sending my army around the globe ;ike some nations, but i guess thats what i get for coming late :)

btw animarnia i replied to your post in the embassy thread

:( awww I ment a full list :p but w/e, if we have a major conflict it dose need to have a small Latin America conflict in it some im not left out :( i don't really have the power to be sending my army around the globe ;ike some nations, but i guess thats what i get for coming late :)

Sadly I'm not yet bored enough to do a full list ;)

Guessing I'd say it's probably economically the top three are NAR, China, WEF or GGA (I'm unsure as they have Germany and a lot more nations). Military wise it's probably Russia, NAR and China - that’s in no order though.

Japan itself is the second richest country in the world, so I think the GEACPS would be up there.

And it has eight out of the twenty-one largest militaries in the world.

Corbournne;12541234']Japan itself is the second richest country in the world, so I think the GEACPS would be up there.

And it has eight out of the twenty-one largest militaries in the world.

Sorry, though it wasn't exactly a confirmed list and I don't know what nations are in your group...though, Japan's ecomony according to Wiki, which isn't always correct, is $4.9 trillion, which makes it the third or something.

Sorry, though it wasn't exactly a confirmed list and I don't know what nations are in your group...though, Japan's ecomony according to Wiki, which isn't always correct, is $4.9 trillion, which makes it the third or something.

I know, I was just being a smart ass, and I was looking at nominal GDP, not PPP, my bad.

Interesting. Unless I'm wrong about the whole situation I can see the WEF being against you in this conflict possibly, most likely not by the use of force, but just in a statement or something. It's not that we endorse the fact they murdered American innocents, but we just might not approve of you removing the Sri Lankan government just because they are too incompetent to stop there terror problem. Should make us a bit different from everything else who might support you.

Though, if this will severely affect our relations or I didn't get the gist of this please tell me. I don't want to end up supporting a terrorist government again like I did in the T&T conflict.

We're not going to remove the Government; though they will be notably pissed at us; we're just going to bomb the living crap out of the rebel positons and posable sink anything remotely rebel that floats to pacifiy the problem.

We're not going to remove the Government; though they will be notably pissed at us; we're just going to bomb the living crap out of the rebel positons and posable sink anything remotely rebel that floats to pacifiy the problem.

Oh, well then we won't be so against you.

yes, a world war should be centralized in asia or the middle east, but can have theatres elsewhere.

and heres a rough list of powers:

Nukes:
1) NAR
2) UR
3) China
4) WEF

Army
1) NAR
2) GGA
3) China or UR

Navy
1) NAR
2) WEF
3) ???

Air Force
1) NAR
2) idk, the GGA has the Gripen, and other countries have US castoffs

and the GGA has good relations with all the world powers (WEF, NAR, UR) plus they are good with Arminria and Silvado. So it would be hard to see them fighting one of the above nations.

Kampfers, I sent you a TG - as Little Honako.

Are those lists in order, Kampfers? If they are, the UR should be on top of the nuke one and added to the Air Force and the Navy one. Russia has more nukes than any other nation, including the US. It also has a very good air force comprised of very capable jets such as higher generation Sukhoi and MiGs

Are those lists in order, Kampfers? If they are, the UR should be on top of the nuke one and added to the Air Force and the Navy one. Russia has more nukes than any other nation, including the US. It also has a very good air force comprised of very capable jets such as higher generation Sukhoi and MiGs

Yes this is true. Russia may not be very high on the Navy list though.

On the military list, the UR is number one in nukes, not NAR. NAR is about 5k behind (12k nukes, compared to Russia's 17k). Air force is probaly slightly over the UR's-not by all that much-due to the F-22 rollout and the developmental projects (IC thread has stuff on it) of the F-23, X-45, and F-35.

As for army, same thing-the Stryker probaly is the only thing, if at all, that would push me ahead of China or Russia (or the upcoming new guns). For navy, that's the one thing I'll concede to my own nation being the forerunner in-I've got a load of carriers and am rolling out the next-gen line of ships (the LCSes are already being commished, 3 are out). However, with Animarnia now getting the Kitty-Hawks (btw, I'm putting the finishing touches of the refits on-they'll be shipping out to India in short time), that nation could probaly rise to number 2 or 3 (depending on Russian naval stats, which I'm not definate about).

About wars: A Central American war has promise, except for a little thing: the major powers outside the Republic are all in Europe or Asia. The Americas are virtually a half-world away, and navies take a good time to get over there. Seeing how the Republic has a large navy base in Jacksonville, one in Miami, and a huge one in Norfolk-all fairly close to the Gulf-no offense, but that area could simply be blasted by constant naval attack, supplemented by bomber strikes (I'm trying to avoid WMDs here-I'm officially No-First-Strike).

A European War or Asian war, however, holds plenty of promise and could spill into an American regional conflict based on BoP. There will be enough conflicting nations to put one another off, and allow time for American nations to get involved over there, worsening the problem and getting a big con-fla-gra-shun going. The American war starting it all off, however, could simply lead to a mop-up (no offense once again, other American guys, it's simply that the closest military people to me are [I'd put them, as overall] UR, Animarnia, and China...and they're a long ways away.

Splitting Russian-Republic ties could be a tad difficult-seeing how close both nations are getting-but if one tried hard enough, there could probaly be some way of doing it. A smarter alternative for some nations trying to take on one or the other would be to get a coalition of bigger guys together to try and take out the two Cold War superpowers (and modern superpowers of ESS).

it was just a rough list.

although russia has more nukes, i thought the NAR has better quality nukes?

but I think my army has to be one of the best, with the Leapord tanks, and all that crap

honako, i replied 2 that TG.

Good to see you agree with me that the main focus of the war should be in Europe or Asia.

This will need to be greatly organized though, probably the picking of teams however lame it is, as otherwise it would just be a mess that would be over with in a second. I mean, most nations are gonna want to be on the NAR and UR side if they are such close 'friends'. One or two major countries will have to support some movement against these (and they'll have to refrain for a little while from pulling out the nukes as thats no fun). One plan could be to sacrifice poor Mongolia by Russia or China invading it. If Russia do it, China would feel threatened and maybe it's fellow major asian allies could get pissed off and if China did it America and Russia would.

Actaully, this isn't sounding so good, I'm gonna shut up and let better RPers think of something, though again I must express I'd like to be involved.

it was just a rough list.

although russia has more nukes, i thought the NAR has better quality nukes?

but I think my army has to be one of the best, with the Leapord tanks, and all that crap

honako, i replied 2 that TG.

Just because the Leopard 2 is one of the best tanks in the world, doesn't make your army great. To have a great army, you need good soldiers, equipment, and training. Besides the US Army has an infantry weapon that can easily pierce the Leopard 2's armor.

it was just a rough list.

although russia has more nukes, i thought the NAR has better quality nukes?

but I think my army has to be one of the best, with the Leapord tanks, and all that crap

honako, i replied 2 that TG.

I got the TG and replied.

Nukes are nukes, there is no high or low quality, only high or low Kt/Mtonnage. Deliver devices can be high or low quality, but the UR and the NAR have very good devices like SLBMs and ICBMs.

Just because the Leopard 2 is one of the best tanks in the world, doesn't make your army great. To have a great army, you need good soldiers, equipment, and training. Besides the US Army has an infantry weapon that can easily pierce the Leopard 2's armor.

well, I also have the AT-4 and other crap. I didn't say i was better than the NAR... I just said I was up there in the army part.
Plus, Germany has always been miliaristic. You dont think they train well?

On a war:

heres my idea.
i think 2 make it fair we have 2 put NAR and UR on different teams.
give china and japan to UR, and let GGA and WEF be under NAR

let the other pieces fall where they may

well, I also have the AT-4 and other crap. I didn't say i was better than the NAR... I just said I was up there in the army part.
Plus, Germany has always been miliaristic. You dont think they train well?

On a war:

heres my idea.
i think 2 make it fair we have 2 put NAR and UR on different teams.
give china and japan to UR, and let GGA and WEF be under NAR

let the other pieces fall where they may

They can do whatever they want. If the UR and NAR want to be on the same "team", my god they can.

Good to see you agree with me that the main focus of the war should be in Europe or Asia.

This will need to be greatly organized though, probably the picking of teams however lame it is, as otherwise it would just be a mess that would be over with in a second. I mean, most nations are gonna want to be on the NAR and UR side if they are such close 'friends'. One or two major countries will have to support some movement against these (and they'll have to refrain for a little while from pulling out the nukes as thats no fun). One plan could be to sacrifice poor Mongolia by Russia or China invading it. If Russia do it, China would feel threatened and maybe it's fellow major asian allies could get pissed off and if China did it America and Russia would.

Actaully, this isn't sounding so good, I'm gonna shut up and let better RPers think of something, though again I must express I'd like to be involved.

If it comes to trying to get guys away from my side, I can pull some snap outta my sleeve. However, as it stands, America is like its old World War days-not wanting to get involved first. Even if a war broke out-and even though Russia and the Republic now have an MDP, it's conditional (communist aggression only-if a democratic or authoritarian nation invades, it's not immediate *BOOM HEADSHOT* time; it's simply supposed to stop the idealogy)-the Republic might not even get involved before it escalated a bit. So instead of facing both Russia and America, you may be only facing Russia for a while...and eventually America would mosy on in, like it used to always do (WW1, WW2, Korea-I'm trying to revert away from the "international policeman" image the US has gotten IRL, and am going back as best I can to "LOL IM WATCHING YOU" that the US was back in the early to mid 1900s. All the time while being a superpower with a gutty military).

Even so, the GEACPS and the NAR haven't even established relations yet. As far as Asia goes, America now is much better off with West Asia-East Asia is pretty much an American watchground. The GEACPS could ally with China (even though that breaks the time-honored Japan-China rivalry) to defy Russia and the Republic.

They can do whatever they want. If the UR and NAR want to be on the same "team", my god they can.
i kno they can, but they would be able to whip all there enemies (HELLO NUKES!!!)

i kno they can, but they would be able to whip all there enemies (HELLO NUKES!!!)

HELLO NUCLEAR WINTER! Scientists have stated that it would only take 20 Nuclear Explosions in the span of a year to put the World into Nuclear Winter, that alone would keep them using their nukes.

Like I said before, this is not a sports game. No picking teams off the bat. Someone start a conflict worthy of the world getting really pissed, then we will play it by ear from there.

i kno they can, but they would be able to whip all there enemies (HELLO NUKES!!!)

I don't know about Russia, and i know China has some intent to use them (if they do, watch out...I will come in with a vengeance), but I'm not using nukes unless American soil is invaded. And even then, I probaly still won't even use nukes unless it really gets really bad-and even then, i'll look for conventional options (which, with the NAR, will probaly actually be a better option with things such as MOABs and other things).

If it comes to trying to get guys away from my side, I can pull some snap outta my sleeve. However, as it stands, America is like its old World War days-not wanting to get involved first. Even if a war broke out-and even though Russia and the Republic now have an MDP, it's conditional (communist aggression only-if a democratic or authoritarian nation invades, it's not immediate *BOOM HEADSHOT* time; it's simply supposed to stop the idealogy)-the Republic might not even get involved before it escalated a bit. So instead of facing both Russia and America, you may be only facing Russia for a while...and eventually America would mosy on in, like it used to always do (WW1, WW2, Korea-I'm trying to revert away from the "international policeman" image the US has gotten IRL, and am going back as best I can to "LOL IM WATCHING YOU" that the US was back in the early to mid 1900s. All the time while being a superpower with a gutty military).

Even so, the GEACPS and the NAR haven't even established relations yet. As far as Asia goes, America now is much better off with West Asia-East Asia is pretty much an American watchground. The GEACPS could ally with China (even though that breaks the time-honored Japan-China rivalry) to defy Russia and the Republic.

Granate: I agree with you that it's their choice, though in all fairness even if China got involved it would be an unfair war.

AB: I understand it's not America's tradition to start wars, which is why I think the Mongolia conflict I suggested would be good as it means you can do that. That or some kind of world war II scenario where Germany tries to invade Europe again...

You seemed to of hinted I might choose to be against you - or if not I'll put my stance on which superpowers side I'd take anyway. Now, we are willing to be against the UR, as the WEF is a bit worried about them anyway, but it would not make any sense for us to be against you though at this time. WEF is more focused on it's economy than military, and to destroy ties with America, not only a rich nation, but also one who they have a long history of alliance with, would be stupid.

Granate: I agree with you that it's their choice, though in all fairness even if China got involved it would be an unfair war.

AB: I understand it's not America's tradition to start wars, which is why I think the Mongolia conflict I suggested would be good as it means you can do that. That or some kind of world war II scenario where Germany tries to invade Europe again...

You seemed to of hinted I might choose to be against you - or if not I'll put my stance on which superpowers side I'd take anyway. Now, we are willing to be against the UR, as the WEF is a bit worried about them anyway, but it would not make any sense for us to be against you though at this time. WEF is more focused on it's economy than military, and to destroy ties with America, not only a rich nation, but also one who they have a long history of alliance with, would be stupid.

Er...I hinted you'd be against me? I used "you" as my general second-person non-denomination indicator to whoever's reading, not specifying your nation.
The nation that I hinted to be agaisnt me (And if there's an ESS Dark Horse, it's for sure this) is the GEACPS. Tremendous economy, strong military with plenty of advanced equipment-if you somehow get them to look past a troubled history with China, those two Asian nations could deal out some serious damage before American naval assets could even arrive.

Er...I hinted you'd be against me? I used "you" as my general second-person non-denomination indicator to whoever's reading, not specifying your nation.
The nation that I hinted to be agaisnt me (And if there's an ESS Dark Horse, it's for sure this) is the GEACPS. Tremendous economy, strong military with plenty of advanced equipment-if you somehow get them to look past a troubled history with China, those two Asian nations could deal out some serious damage before American naval assets could even arrive.

Except China doesn't pose much of a threat to a UR-NAR-WEF-Who tha Fuck- alliance.

Except China doesn't pose much of a threat to a UR-NAR-WEF-Who tha Fuck- alliance.

Actually they do. They have some moderately advanced tech, and lets not forget that they have over a billion people!

Actually they do. They have some moderately advanced tech, and lets not forget that they have over a billion people!

QFT. China and East Asia would pose a major threat and would inflict dire casulties in an Asian war-they could quickly strike Mongolia, hit Russia, strike at Alaska (be warned: there are some bases up there too, however), and nail Animarnia quick. Granted, that'd mean that they started a three-front war-not a good idea-but it's a possibility. However, Animarnia has more people than China, due to having India and Bangledesh.

Except China doesn't pose much of a threat to a UR-NAR-WEF-Who tha Fuck- alliance.

Lets not forget China could invade me. we're already twitchy having two of the worlds most powerful militaries on our door and China has one of the largest standing armys on the planet IRL and if they really wanted to bring the pain they could call up potentially millions of conscripts. the A-10's and Apaches we brought would make an impact in the ground war but at best all we could do is slow them down alone.

I think we the claims are pretty much done, so a new map would be nice.

QFT. China and East Asia would pose a major threat and would inflict dire casulties in an Asian war-they could quickly strike Mongolia, hit Russia, strike at Alaska (be warned: there are some bases up there too, however), and nail Animarnia quick. Granted, that'd mean that they started a three-front war-not a good idea-but it's a possibility. However, Animarnia has more people than China, due to having India and Bangledesh.

Yeah but we got quality over quantity. China could churn out tens of thousands of tanks, cheaply and quickly; not to mention the millions of conscripts. where Animarnia troops are well trained, well equiped and well motivated but not avalable is such large numbers; the Arjun is comparable to western tanks but can't be bult as fast.

we could bottlneck the Hymilayer passes or in a worst case scenario bring them down with an airstrike. but all we could do is slow them down until help arrived we'd pretty much be like WWII france.

Yeah but we got quality over quantity. China could churn out tens of thousands of tanks, cheaply and quickly; not to mention the millions of conscripts. where Animarnia troops are well trained, well equiped and well motivated but not avalable is such large numbers; the Arjun is comparable to western tanks but can't be bult as fast.

we could bottlneck the Hymilayer passes or in a worst case scenario bring them down with an airstrike. but all we could do is slow them down until help arrived we'd pretty much be like WWII france.

Though technically, you could build up Animarnia's forces like the Persian Empire. You would have your core good units, and then just draft the crap outta your nation to get a whole load of recruits. Assuming you have Kashmir (I think you do), there's a whole load of motivated guys right there.
As for tanks, China would probaly have the mass-production edge, but if you could hold the seas, there would be plenty of countries (mine included) that could mass produce tanks even faster (no war-time strain) and send them over.

This war talk is so suspensful! Someone do something to start it.

AB:
Aye, very very true; we could make them fight for every inch. by the way when will the F-23 be going up for export? we'll be talking and offering lots of cash to Northrup when it does.

This war talk is so suspensful! Someone do something to start it.

i agree. Someone needs to just attack...

AB:
Aye, very very true; we could make them fight for every inch. by the way when will the F-23 be going up for export? we'll be talking and offering lots of cash to Northrup when it does.

Probaly another six months to initial testing, and probaly eighteen months to production (it would probaly take shorter if it was the only project on Northrop-Grumman's slate, but they have a lot to work on-the X-45, several naval contracts, and the F-23). It's a high priority, but it's part of the puzzle. By the time the F-23 comes out, planning will probaly also start to the A-10's successor (it's good, but it's the next century...) and a naval interceptor (though I may make a variant of the F-23 for that, since the planned F-35 will be more of an F/A-18 replacement).

Probaly another six months to initial testing, and probaly eighteen months to production (it would probaly take shorter if it was the only project on Northrop-Grumman's slate, but they have a lot to work on-the X-45, several naval contracts, and the F-23). It's a high priority, but it's part of the puzzle. By the time the F-23 comes out, planning will probaly also start to the A-10's successor (it's good, but it's the next century...) and a naval interceptor (though I may make a variant of the F-23 for that, since the planned F-35 will be more of an F/A-18 replacement).

Well then in 2009/2010 you can expect a lot of money from us then; meanwhile we're going to be produsing the F/A-25 Tejas at full capacity starting begining 08 the first of which will hopefully see service on the Kitty hawks as we've already run a production of 40 (since India IRL is doing so)

Well then in 2009/2010 you can expect a lot of money from us then; meanwhile we're going to be produsing the F/A-25 Tejas at full capacity starting begining 08 the first of which will hopefully see service on the Kitty hawks as we've already run a production of 40 (since India IRL is doing so)

I'm not familiar with the Tejas, is that somewhat like the F-35 or the Gripen?

I'm not familiar with the Tejas, is that somewhat like the F-35 or the Gripen?

More like the Grippen; its a non stealth 4th Generation Fighter nativly designed and made in India capable of multi-role and carrier variants.

I would wish to join in on this. We would like to claim Argentina.

I would wish to join in on this. We would like to claim Argentina.
Might as well claim Uraguay and Chile too

k. Wagdog has to approve you though. We are currently debating about how the world war should be set up.

You know, I could just say fuck this talk and invade the KoE to get this started, but that would probably piss evry1 off and then I'd get attacked by all the other major powers...

We would like Chile also.

I would wish to join in on this. We would like to claim Argentina.

Might as well claim Uraguay and Chile too

We would like Chile also.
Argentina and Chile confirmed, adding now.:D What about Uruguay/"La Banda Oriental" (as Argentines often put it)?

k. Wagdog has to approve you though. We are currently debating about how the world war should be set up.

You know, I could just say fuck this talk and invade the KoE to get this started, but that would probably piss evry1 off and then I'd get attacked by all the other major powers...
And perhaps not just them, seeing as I have socialist friends in Brazil or China whose airspace I might just be able to "borrow" upon asking to send some Kh-555 Kent-C's your way (see my II wars for evidence of how I love those little "Red Tomahawks"...:D), courtesy of my six Tu-160s. Oh, might as part of the Suspension of Disbelief rules, might we all be able to agree that although DPRs or replacements for weapons platforms have to be bought, we could consider missiles and other munitions easily pirated-or-bought enough for local production to be mutually-assumed for all PC nations? I know Port Moresby has a decent enough electronics industry that they could probably produce the Kent guidance system at least...
However, so somebody stays neutral in this global fracas we're setting up, I'd like to make the OOC invitation to all Pacific nations to a free-trade and limited freedom-of-passage conference in Tailville DR/Bougainville (essentially, I'm building the island into a DC sized island-city). I'll put up the IC bit later, probably Sunday night so Vetaka can participate since they're on a trip for the weekend. But anyway, how's the OOC idea sound for getting something besides war going, eh?;)

Shit i am so kicking my self for not getting into this earlier. Man i wish i had a world power ;)

Any countries around I could possibly claim? (Has Albania been taken?)

And perhaps not just them, seeing as I have socialist friends in Brazil or China whose airspace I might just be able to "borrow" upon asking to send some Kh-555 Kent-C's your way (see my II wars for evidence of how I love those little "Red Tomahawks"...:D), courtesy of my six Tu-160s. Oh, might as part of the Suspension of Disbelief rules, might we all be able to agree that although DPRs or replacements for weapons platforms have to be bought, we could consider missiles and other munitions easily pirated-or-bought enough for local production to be mutually-assumed for all PC nations? I know Port Moresby has a decent enough electronics industry that they could probably produce the Kent guidance system at least...
However, so somebody stays neutral in this global fracas we're setting up, I'd like to make the OOC invitation to all Pacific nations to a free-trade and limited freedom-of-passage conference in Tailville DR/Bougainville (essentially, I'm building the island into a DC sized island-city). I'll put up the IC bit later, probably Sunday night so Vetaka can participate since they're on a trip for the weekend. But anyway, how's the OOC idea sound for getting something besides war going, eh?;)

Hey I'm not a socialist friend? :(

Any countries around I could possibly claim? (Has Albania been taken?)
Albania and Moldova are the only two countries (of significant size) left in Europe.

Basically all of the Americas (excluding most Caribbean islands), Europe (excluding micronations, Albania, Moldova, Cypus), Antarctica, and the Oceania (excluding random islands) are taken.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/earthss-2.png

here the most recent map update (well it's missing a few countries but eh.

Any countries around I could possibly claim? (Has Albania been taken?)
Maybe, but defending Albania might be difficult since you'd need to violate Erstereich's waters to ship most of your navy there unless you could come up with an agreement. But that shouldn't be too hard by TG or whatever; still want it?:confused:

Maybe, but defending Albania might be difficult since you'd need to violate Erstereich's waters to ship most of your navy there unless you could come up with an agreement. But that shouldn't be too hard by TG or whatever; still want it?:confused:

Yeah, sure. I will probably make such an agreement. Thanks!:)

P.S. Albania shouldn't be too hard to defend because of the almost 750,000 bunkers it has!

and yet Wagdog still pretends i dont exist :rolleyes: :p

and yet Wagdog still pretends i dont exist :rolleyes: :p
Not true, I just can't find your factbook.:headbang::p Reposting the link if there is one would be helpful in this, and then I can put it up; and no, a news thread does not count...

Anyway, it dose appear that the left wing nations grow, with Wagdog, China, Brasil, Marxikhan and Czechalrussian Federation and Yugoslavia

Not true, I just can't find your factbook.:headbang::p Reposting the link if there is one would be helpful in this, and then I can put it up; and no, a news thread does not count...

LOL ok im not finished with it yet, been a bit busy it'll be done soon tho...i hope;)

LOL ok im not finished with it yet, been a bit busy it'll be done soon tho...i hope;)
'K.:) Take your time, but a factbook is far better IMO for keeping the important information than a news thread; mainly since another player wouldn't need to look through the whole thing to find out if their embassy's been approved or what (or at least I think not... lol).

I'd claim all of the Commonwealth countries or ones with British/French/Spanish influence which haven't been claimed. There probably all in Africa I'd think.

Oh and to AB about you hinting I was against you...I sort of realised I was wrong after I posted that but I left it up just to say my bit about which superpowers I'd be willing to fight.

So, is this conflict still talk? Sigh, I agree with Candistan, it has to get going! I have no plans to start this war so...most of you are in America so even if it did start it would be about 2am here probs :p But anyways, we all know China could do something, but they aren't very active - they don't even have a factbook I think - so I still favour Russia or Japan invading Mongolia and onwards to the rest of asia. Also then if someone sided with them in Europe, say the GGA or Czechalrus could start invading terrorities there.

Hey I'm not a socialist friend? :(

Yeah, sure. I will probably make such an agreement. Thanks!:)

P.S. Albania shouldn't be too hard to defend because of the almost 750,000 bunkers it has!

Anyway, it dose appear that the left wing nations grow, with Wagdog, China, Brasil, Marxikhan and Czechalrussian Federation and Yugoslavia
Missing all this is why it sux to be too antsy to sleep and yet too sleepy to write at your best.:headbang: Anyway, Albania's approved for Czechalrus, and it's good to see more OOC diplomacy too as a result. Oh and ya, 750K bunkers is pretty defensible I'll admit...
Yes Marxikhan, we're not so outnumbered now as we were; or out-populated as badly.:D Anyway ICly my government regards pretty much everybody on ESS as at least a potential friend (yes, even UR now that they've agreed to Animarnia's peacekeeping efforts; which actually reminds me of something needing doing I think...), although we also take a dim view of such naked wars of conquest as in Trinidad & Tobago or Kazakhstan; preferring ourselves if nations' expansion at least looked like the natives being assimilated had a say in the matter (which can include everything from international-standard elections to a simple bloodless coup, although obviously much depends on the character of the ones expanding since we emphatically do NOT back 1984-wannabes of any alignment). Now that you've backed off from attacking T&T, we can put an embassy in your country without getting the UR or GEACPS all Red Scared against us.;) Again, it doesn't do to get n00k3d or even just b0mbz3d over something minor before the IC year is out (which also reminds me)....

If somebody's gonna invade Mongolia, I guess i'm all for it, but do wait until i've got my military all sorted out. I don't know when that will be, but i'm aiming for either late tonight or Sunday. Of course, i'd be more in favor of starting the war elsewhere, with India, China, Japan, Russia, or whoever going head-to-head and me joining in on one side or the other, if only so I can get some quick Rp war experience. Whatever you guys decide is fine with me, I guess.

Either way, it sounds to me like I need to get some friends, pronto. :rolleyes:

If somebody's gonna invade Mongolia, I guess i'm all for it, but do wait until i've got my military all sorted out. I don't know when that will be, but i'm aiming for either late tonight or Sunday. Of course, i'd be more in favor of starting the war elsewhere, with India, China, Japan, Russia, or whoever going head-to-head and me joining in on one side or the other, if only so I can get some quick Rp war experience. Whatever you guys decide is fine with me, I guess.

Either way, it sounds to me like I need to get some friends, pronto. :rolleyes:

I suggested Mongolia mostly because it located in between many world powers, so it's invasion would probably be the most affected. It doesn't have to be there - whoever starts this RP will choose where to invade probs.

Anyways, the WEF is your ally sort of; I think we have an anti-aggression pact and thats good enough for us to be willing to defend you.

Japan invading Mongolia

I don't know if I could pull that off, invading a landlocked country that I have no border with.

I was thinking that I could like "guarantee their independence" or something, so, if somebody invaded, it would be an automatic declaration of war.

If I was going to invade, I'd need to be sure that either China or Russia would support, or at least not harm me, in my conquest.

It would be helpful if one of the them would allow me passage through their nation for an easier invasion.

Anyway, just a side note, the GEACPS has a socialist economy, but is not communist.

I agree that if someone's gonna invade me, it should probably be China or Russia - not only because of the obvious border thing, but also because of historical reasons, as Mongolia was a part of China until 1918 or so IRL (and Inner Mongolia remains a part of China to this day), and Russia has always had influence there. I'm RPing as though Russia never drew Mongolia behind the Iron Curtain, so to speak, but there's still a history there anyway.

Well, if your willing to be invaded and be a cause for the start of the war - all we need to do now if have someone step up to do the invading. Then from there nations will obviously side about the issue. Once they are in control of Mongolia as someone else mentioned in a previous post, they can take Kazakhstan, hurt China, India and Russia (not all of them as then you would have no Asian allies) - and them or their allies can progress into Europe if there a nation in it for the power and land. Cause you can't really have a world war over Mongolia only.

I think it's stupid to pick sides and everyone should be allowed to choose who to fight, but if we did it this way a good war I think would be the UR, WEF and GGA vs. China, Japan and others, India, Brazil, Wagdog, Columbia and others - that's just judging on geographical locations and the types of government, and the NAR can come in whenever. I think thats a good balance.

It could always end up being a proxy war (kinda like Vietnam, which had the Americans on one side and the Commies on the other) that explodes into something bigger. Or think of it in terms of WWI - someone invades me, then gets attacked by an ally of mine, who is in turn attacked by an ally of my aggressor, etc, etc,. 'Cept this time the alliances/mutual defense pacts/whatever cause a worldwide, rather than European-exclusive, conflict.

Or the aggressor(s) could just sweep me, and i'll set up a shadow government with some De Gaulle-esque leader and pray that whichever "side" i'm on wins in the end. :p Either way, just let the war develop and people will join a side as it goes, I guess.

I cant wait for a world conflict! But to do somthing like this, we should set up an OCC fourm for the planning of this. To get the "party" started(:D ) we should set up asn Issue for each region to join in, My country for example has no real care about Mongolia(no offence just it dosn't affect us and its too far away.)

Oh and another question how do i begin to make nukes, IC that is;)

I cant wait for a world conflict! But to do somthing like this, we should set up an OCC fourm for the planning of this. To get the "party" started(:D ) we should set up asn Issue for each region to join in, My country for example has no real care about Mongolia(no offence just it dosn't affect us and its too far away.)

If there was a world war it would not be just over Mongolia - that would just start the events. Though I understand what you mean and the war would be fought on multiple fronts. Anyway, I think we've had enough talk - someone just needs to start this now (though whoever does should probs sort out alliances etc. first).

the UR should invade and begin the war

Why the hell do I have to start it. I am on very good terms with the Mongolians.

Oh and another question how do i begin to make nukes, IC that is;)

Begin a Uranium and Plutonium Enrichment Project, much like what Iran's doing right now.

how much dose that cost? (like how much is it costing iran)

Why the hell do I have to start it. I am on very good terms with the Mongolians.

Who else is ganna invade him? And if not Mongolia Invade somwhere else! Im sure you will find somewhere(other than south america) to invade :D

Uranium costs a lot, enriching it costs ten times more, and international pressure costs you loss of the program and/or your citizens safety.

Uranium costs a lot, enriching it costs ten times more, and international pressure costs you loss of the program and/or your citizens safety.

And it's also very hard to hide the fact that you are Enriching Uranium.

Here's a scenario: Marxikhan starts a nuke program. The NAR hates it and pledges to invade to stop it. The FRB pledges defense of the Marxi, the UR is dragged in with its agreement with the NAR for mutual assistance. From there, the rest of the world reacts as they want. It's anyone's game.

not really, UR and NAR are alot more powerful than Brasil and Me. And I'm only making Nukes because i feel the need to protect my people...if you have 17k nukes and america has 12k, and i have none.....well that dosn't look good for my population.

Why would we use them? The NAR even said the only time they would use them would be if enemies were on their soil. And even then, conventional options would be sought. That goes for the UR as well.

not really, UR and NAR are alot more powerful than Brasil and Me. And I'm only making Nukes because i feel the need to protect my people...if you have 17k nukes and america has 12k, and i have none.....well that dosn't look good for my population.

That'll tell a lot of the free world that you're looking for aggression, though...

not really, UR and NAR are alot more powerful than Brasil and Me. And I'm only making Nukes because i feel the need to protect my people...if you have 17k nukes and america has 12k, and i have none.....well that dosn't look good for my population.

look, the GGA has never and will never have nukes (unless it is our only defense, then we will attempt to purchase some from an ally). There are other ways to win wars than by nook3ng the fuck out of someone.

like I said before, the UR would use 'em Only in defense, like nuking a mountain pass in the Urals shut so the aggressing Army couldn't get through, or blasting part a naval fleet in my waters. I prefer chemical and bio weapons more.

lol well ic i would never use them, i find that it would put to many lives innocent lives at sake, (though if i needed to use them in the most dire of situations i prolly would). That and i feel using nukes in an RP like this is a bit cheep. Any how, how come other nations can say they are using them for peace and not me! (if i had nukes they would be a tool of peace, kinda like hw the UR used the bombs against me in T&T, as Roosvelt said "carry a big stick)

like I said before, the UR would use 'em Only in defense, like nuking a mountain pass in the Urals shut so the aggressing Army couldn't get through, or blasting part a naval fleet in my waters. I prefer chemical and bio weapons more.

how much are chemical/bioweapons?