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Mod: Wagdog
Vice Mod: Amazonian Beasts POLL (Closed, called for AB) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523025)
Map Mod: H-Town Tejas

General Consolidation Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524384) (Look here in future if you've got a factbook but I haven't added it below, or else need to find an IC thread. Thanks.:))

Greetings fellow Earth RPers.:D You may know me from my brief tenure as a player on The People's Earth, plus my long-stalled and ongoing attempts to get started on New SYAE; but I figure the time has come to try out a project I've been mulling over ever since The People's Earth died before its time. It's something I've been considering after comparing the strict realism of SYAE (not a bad thing, mind) and the more liberal attitude of TPE, my idea being for a consensus Earth that veterans of either Earth or new players entirely could both find fun.
To that effect, as self-appointed mod of the newly-proclaimed "Earth of Suspension and Succession," named for the principles that I believe should guide both roleplay and the overall meta-RP "why" of this earth (see below), I hereby declare it open for players to claim land and make their mark upon. Note that my policy regarding factbooks and claims is based on the following principles, intended to allow maximum openness and "play" while still keeping to proper RP etiquette. The founding principles for this Earth are...

Suspension of Disbelief: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief) Simply put, unless a player's description of their country/military/economy/&c gives them so many advantages as to consitute outright godmodding (determined by discussion between myself, the Vice Mod, and all players involved), the player's description and characterization of his country shall stand and all players shall have to embrace or cope with this in RP terms. Hence, if a player (myself, for example) wants to incorporate fantasy races into his nation's populace, so be it; as long as they RP those fairly, with disadvantages as well as advantages (e.g. how would Elves have to adapt to live in the modern world?). If said player wants to create an entire alternate history to accommodate their country (such as SYAE's majestic DaeHanJeiGuk and its detailed timeline), also fine; so long as it does not render said nation invincible or such either. The same goes for claims' extent; for example, although mine might look ungodly huge, since I intend to follow RL orders of battle and populations it actually isn't much at all (~10 million pop, &c). Hence, be imaginative with your claims and don't hesitate to ask, please.:)

Succession of States: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_of_states) So that this earth doesn't have the sort of drawn-out discussions about what weaponry, financial assets, et. al. a nation may have that I've seen on SYAE due to its (laudable) emphasis on hardcore realism, this Earth shall abide by internationally-recognized Succession of States theory. Simply put, if you claim territories on this Earth, you have both de facto and de jure deposed their NPC governments in a bloodless coup as far as I'm concerned, at whatever point in your nation's history you decide to have done so; and thus unquestionably inherit all military assets, territories, population, capital wealth, and such upon those territories claimed, at the time claimed.
Note the emphasis, for I am aware of how this principle might become a lure to godmodding if not qualified. Although I will err on the side of Suspension of Disbelief when a nation wants to design its military according to the raw TOE of its territories (X Tanks, Y Fighters, &c), certain rules of courtesy have to be followed. First, if upgrading to an advanced model when starting with alternate forces (should a nation desire say, MiG-29s instead of F-16s as part of its alternate history), it is advised that the player research the cost of the existing arsenal and then divide that by the cost of the desired system to replace it. If going by a less-advanced standard for whatever reason (perhaps larger forces?), the same principle is advised. Also, if claiming a territory in the past rather than today, using a prior order of battle is advisable (with the need to follow the "weapons upgrade" advice above) so that the nation's military development may be both pre-written and RPed at least semi-realistically. Again, I will go out of my way to accommodate what I can, but the limits of ones territories and their economies still apply here as part of basic RP etiquette.
ALthough I will say right off that this Earth should probably use RL populations, I'm willing to discuss this matter with others here. My personal vote is to allow RL populations but NS technology (including the lesser superbattleships), not least to take advantage of the latter's creativity to stimulate more imaginative RP. In short, why not see what your NS nation (or a puppet if you want to play that here) would look like in the real world? I went for a spiffy "War Room" style map, but if this is too unreadable I am open to working on another (and looking around for one even now...:headbang:).

The United Socialist States of Wagdog (Wagdog): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522923) Solomon Islands, Papua New Guinea, West Papua, Palau, Micronesia, Guam, Northern Marianas, Marshall Islands, Wake Island, Nauru, Kiribati, Tuvalu, Tokelau, Samoa, American Samoa, Fiji, Vanuatu, New Caledonia

Union of the Russias (Candistan): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522928) Russia, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Belarus

República Federativa do Brasil (H-Town Tejas): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522949) Brazil

People's Republic of China (Eralineta): China

Greater Germanic Alliance (Kampfers): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522932) Germany, Austria, Poland, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Belgium

North American Republic (Amazonian Beasts):Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522975) United States, Cuba, Canada

Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere (Courbonne): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523360) Japan, South Korea, North Korea, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, East Timor, Taiwan

Western European Federation (Honako): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12526480) Great Britain, Ireland, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Iceland

Central African Empire (Cookesland): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523590) Central African Republic, Zaire/DR Congo, Congo, Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, Cameroon, Chad, Cabinda

The Grass Snakes (Vetaka): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524885) Transnational Terrorist Group, though how this is indicated on a map IDK...>.>

Kingdom of Erstereich (Erstereich): Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Greece, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kuwait

Unified States of Silvado (Silvado): Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt, Yemen

Kingdom of Animarnia (Animarnia): Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12515778) India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan

Czechalrussian Federation: Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523926), Ukraine, Moldova, Albania

Empire of Futuris (Futuris): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524177) Niger, Nigeria, Libya, Sudan, Algeria, Israel, Tunisia

Republic of Yugoslavia (Dirik): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12479328&postcount=1) Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro

Zambistan (Subject to Edit): Antarctica

Central American Empire (Sendersdale): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523486) Mexico, Guatemala, Belize, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama

United Socialist States of Marxikhan (Marxikhan): Colombia, Venezuela, French Guyana, Guyana, Suriname, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay

Mongolian Republic (Drunken Pagan Weirdos): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523867) Mongolia

República Argentina (Germantly): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524658) Argentina, Chile

South African Dominion (Granate): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524439) South Africa, Lesotho, Swaziland, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Botswana, Mozambique, Zambia, Malawi, Madagascar

Dai Bere-Ketsueki 9 (Psychotika): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=525136) Transnational Mercenary Organization, though how this is indicated on a map IDK...>.>

Federation of Australia and New Zealand (Stendaria): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=525244) Australia, New Zealand

Empire of Deurem (Deurem): Factbook: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=525529) Sierra Leone, Togo, Cape Verde, Liberia, Ghana, Mali

Khakistan (Intoxicated Leprechauns): Afghanistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan

United East African Nations (Canadstein): Djibouti, Eritirea, Ethiopia, and Somalia

Can I make a claim? If so, I want Russia and the Baltic States (just like SYAE without the stupid calving up of Siberia). This time, I'll switch it up and make the Russians fascist:)

Can I claim Brasil? Just as the Federative Republic of Brasil, though I plan on switching up its government and history.

Can I claim china (and Japan)?

The Dominion of Kampfers claims the following countries (updated):

Germany, Austria, Poland, Switzerland, Sweeden, Norway, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Luxemborg, Belgium, Denmark, France, and the UK.
if claim is too big (moderators desicion only), remove France and the UK
map is wrong!

I'll join, i miss SYAE:)

can i claim Zaire, Congo, Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, Central African Republic, Cameroon, Chad, and Cabinda?

Can I get a second though? Maybe Japan? That's my ace area as well.

The Dominion of Kampfers claims the following countries:

Germany, Austria, Poland, Switzerland, Sweeden, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Luxemborg, Belgium, Denmark, and a costal piece of Russia.

The map of our claims:

No russia or baltic states for you, I already claimed it.

Can I make a claim? If so, I want Russia and the Baltic States (just like SYAE without the stupid calving up of Siberia). This time, I'll switch it up and make the Russians fascist:)

Can I claim Brasil? Just as the Federative Republic of Brasil, though I plan on switching up its government and history.

Can I claim china?
All sound good, and I'm editing text into the OP for your claims now. Nice job keeping things reasonable, I add.:) The map will usually be a bit behind the claims early since I'm doing the borders only and that takes a bit (but filling in would take even longer, believe me. I tried with my claim for a while and gave up, especially since it ruined the "war room" atmosphere immediately). But yes, your claims are all approved and you may direct to the text even if the map is behind.

The Dominion of Kampfers claims the following countries:

Germany, Austria, Poland, Switzerland, Sweeden, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Luxemborg, Belgium, Denmark, and a costal piece of Russia.

The map of our claims:

I probably won't join this, but I am speaking out and saying this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to big of a claim. Scandinavia, the Baltic States, the Benelux, and the German Speaking lands!

Sorry about this, but I forgot to put Belarus on my claims. I wanted my list to be the same as SYAE.

I probably won't join this, but I am speaking out and saying this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to big of a claim. Scandinavia, the Baltic States, the Benelux, and the German Speaking lands!

He can't have the Baltic States since I already nabbed 'em. :)

Nix. Japan then. Economic super power would give me way too much of a boost.

Is your China still Communist? If so, I foresee interesting diplomacy between the nieghbors on the opposite ends of the spectrum.

I probably won't join this, but I am speaking out and saying this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to big of a claim. Scandinavia, the Baltic States, the Benelux, and the German Speaking lands!

sorry bud, already claimed

sorry bud, already claimed

He wasn't claiming them, he said that it was way too big of a claim.

The Dominion of Kampfers claims the following countries (updated):

Germany, Austria, Poland, Switzerland, Sweeden, Norway, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Luxemborg, Belgium, Denmark, France, and the UK

The map of our claims:

I'll join, i miss SYAE:)

can i claim Zaire, Congo, Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, Central African Republic, Cameroon, Chad, and Cabinda?

Can I get a second though? Maybe Japan? That's my ace area as well.
Thanks for editing your claims, Kampfers. Yes, those bits of Russia et al would need a war first. All others approved, though hopefully I can update the map tonight and get some sleep...:p

Nix. Japan then. Economic super power would give me way too much of a boost.
OK...:confused: This mean you dropping China or what?

Keeping china. Forgetting about Japan.

Hopefully Commie China...

Communist-faced-Democratic-Marketed-Despotic-govenment run China.

Fair enough. I'm cool with it. I can't wait to fight with you over ideological issues!

Hopefully Commie China...

Communist-faced-Democratic-Marketed-Despotic-govenment run China.

Keeping china. Forgetting about Japan.
Roger. It'll be interesting to see how far behind even the text might get here. Updating that now, and I'll do what mapping I can tonight. Any ideas on pops/tech (RL/RL versus RL/NS)?

so russia is gonna be a dictatorship?
my claim will be. maybe we can sign a Non Aggression pact
I say RL techs, but i can work both ways

Roger. It'll be interesting to see how far behind even the text might get here. Updating that now, and I'll do what mapping I can tonight. Any ideas on pops/tech (RL/RL versus RL/NS)?

RL/RL. China though will be actually more pushy then what we've seen, but that's only because they are even more pushy then I know of in RL.

They've been after Metal Storm technology for some time and offered $100 mil for the CEO to come to China. After a defection it was revealed. China is definately trying to get a stronger military, but they don't seem to be aggressive. I plan on sticking to that 'Cold war' approach.

Well for Population I believe we should use RL stats. Defense Budgets could be figured out by dividing your NS one by a said number, then increasing/decreasing it a few percent depending on how militaristic your nation is. Other budgeting is determined by your overall spending power that can be decided by either doing a similar process like the defense budget or another idea put forth by someone else.

Im tired of seeing all these democratic alliances in other worlds.
so im planning on founding a dictatorial alliance.
ne1 interested?

Well for Population I believe we should use RL stats. Defense Budgets could be figured out by dividing your NS one by a said number, then increasing/decreasing it a few percent depending on how militaristic your nation is. Other budgeting is determined by your overall spending power that can be decided by either doing a similar process like the defense budget or another idea put forth by someone else.

I'm all for RL values, but the USA spends over 550 billion. China/Russia spend 62 Billion and the rest spend more like 10 billion a year. However you don't NEED a lot to still be a threat. I have a very evil plan that is already used by China to boost our forces far higher then the Americans.

USA, Canada, and Cuba, por favor. I can never seem to grab America in any earth...I'll jump at a chance.

so russia is gonna be a dictatorship?
my claim will be. maybe we can sign a Non Aggression pact
I say RL techs, but i can work both ways

The Union of the Russias is not a dictatorship. It is more of an oligarchy of sorts. It has a chancellor (pretty much the PM of the country) who makes many decisions and there are elections held for the National and District Congresses and Positions in the Government. You can only be elected if you are a member of the National Russian Party, of course, so you don't see any drastically differing opinions in the gov't.

the map is hard to see. if you would not use such a dark background it would be easier.

The Dominion of Kampfers claims the following countries (updated):

Germany, Austria, Poland, Switzerland, Sweeden, Norway, Czech Republic, Netherlands, Luxemborg, Belgium, Denmark, France, and the UK.
if claim is too big (moderators desicion only), remove France and the UK
map is wrong!
Thanks for the qualification. I edited it accordingly; you read my mind about adding in France/UK giving you a bit much in my mind, although I was originally going to let it stand on principle before you enacted the edit (too late now:p).
I'm not arguing economic RP so much as simply data and tech format. Personally, on The People's Earth for example, I just used my country's NS percentages mated to the RL GDP of my territories; because they're parallel incarnations of the same fundamental country (expanded a bit here) and hence my spending priorities would be the same or at least similar.

I'm all for RL values, but the USA spends over 550 billion. China/Russia spend 62 Billion and the rest spend more like 10 billion a year. However you don't NEED a lot to still be a threat. I have a very evil plan that is already used by China to boost our forces far higher then the Americans.

China's forces are already higher than the American's. The problem with that is, since there are som many, the amount of cash spent per soldier is far less than the amount America spends. So even though you have a horde of them, it doesn't mean that a far fewer force of more technologically equipped and better trained soldiers can't defeat them. Just look at the 300.

If Wagdog approves my claim, I'll be playing America a bit differently...than RL. Still cool, however...I have plans :D

the map is hard to see. if you would not use such a dark background it would be easier.
Ya, Rly.:rolleyes: I'll be looking for a new one, hopefully one that keeps the "war room" look I like. Wait, let me look at that normal Theodora one a sec (will do later) with a color inversion... Until then guys, just go by the text to sort things out since clearly the map right now is a bust.:headbang:

Did you add Belarus to my claims? And my country's name is the Union of the Russias. The UR for short.

USA, Canada, and Cuba, por favor. I can never seem to grab America in any earth...I'll jump at a chance.

If Wagdog approves my claim, I'll be playing America a bit differently...than RL. Still cool, however...I have plans :D
No hay problema.;) Editing the OP text now, map will come later as above...

No hay problema.;) Editing the OP text now, map will come later as above...

Gracias! (my limited Spanish...)

Thanks for editing your claims, Kampfers. Yes, those bits of Russia et al would need a war first. All others approved, though hopefully I can update the map tonight and get some sleep...:p

sweet!!! can't wait to get this party started :D

China's forces are already higher than the American's. The problem with that is, since there are som many, the amount of cash spent per soldier is far less than the amount America spends. So even though you have a horde of them, it doesn't mean that a far fewer force of more technologically equipped and better trained soldiers can't defeat them. Just look at the 300.

300 is a terrible movie to go by historically.

In reality Sparta was advanced, but they thought they were the best and never improved their weaponry. This lead them to get slaughtered in the end. The difference in technology and ability was akin to 300 M1A2 Abrams in WWI. No contest at the time even for 50 on 1. (Assuming modern arming sources)

China's army is surprisingly well equipped, but their integration time is terrible. Though to date, they are the only forces capable of using laser guns on the face of the world. My plans for China are the same as RL China.

Candistan, if you want finland, its all yours.

Announcement: even though the Dominion of Kampfers is a dictatorship, they are willing to establish friendly relations with all countries.

I'll only take Finland if Wagdog allows it.

300 is a terrible movie to go by historically.

In reality Sparta was advanced, but they thought they were the best and never improved their weaponry. This lead them to get slaughtered in the end. The difference in technology and ability was akin to 300 M1A2 Abrams in WWI. No contest at the time even for 50 on 1. (Assuming modern arming sources)

China's army is surprisingly well equipped, but their integration time is terrible. Though to date, they are the only forces capable of using laser guns on the face of the world. My plans for China are the same as RL China.

Sparta was very well advanced physically-just technologically, they weren't the best. They were incredibally disciplined and strong in a natural way per soldiers.
Athens was better-off, even though they lost the Peloponneasean War 'cause they had gotten too full of themselves-it can be debated that Athens won the 2nd Persian invasion at Salamis (most of the Fleet was Athenian, anyway).

Sparta was very well advanced physically-just technologically, they weren't the best. They were incredibally disciplined and strong in a natural way per soldiers.
Athens was better-off, even though they lost the Peloponneasean War 'cause they had gotten too full of themselves-it can be debated that Athens won the 2nd Persian invasion at Salamis (most of the Fleet was Athenian, anyway).

See... this happens when you don't research your original sources. Sparta BEFORE was technologically advanced, they had better armor and weapons, but they never improved them. If they had improved and kept the prinicipals they would have done better. Though really... I assure you, all is safe with me as China.

See... this happens when you don't research your original sources. Sparta BEFORE was technologically advanced, they had better armor and weapons, but they never improved them. If they had improved and kept the prinicipals they would have done better. Though really... I assure you, all is safe with me as China.

Ok, I'm talking about the height of Greeck power (after they had stalled both Persian advances). After the Persians were knocked twice, they were removed as Power Numero Uno of the region, and Greece took over that reign. Reign was a bit short-as Macedonia came soon-but nevertheless, it was the height of Greece.

I’ll form the Western European Federation and take France, the UK and Ireland, Italy, Spain and Portugal please. Sorry if they have already been taken or this is too much.

Just a quick Note: If we're doing renaming here, can I fix the name of my nation to the North American Republic (NAR)?

Ok, I'm talking about the height of Greeck power (after they had stalled both Persian advances). After the Persians were knocked twice, they were removed as Power Numero Uno of the region, and Greece took over that reign. Reign was a bit short-as Macedonia came soon-but nevertheless, it was the height of Greece.

Got ya.

I don't think I'm going to join this Earth, SYAE is keeping me going.

I do want to point out the outlandishly large claims. Russia, the largest country in the world with fairly decent military equipment and a few more countries? Scandinavia and German speaking countries? I myself would have joined if allowed my previous SYAE claims as those seemed to work quite well for me.

A final note: Unless you want 10 players claiming the whole Earth (which isn't very fun to RP with) make smaller claims or reduce them. I don't have authority over it, it's up to Wagdog, and if that's the Earth he wants, there's nothing wrong with that. But it's a lot more fun to RP with a lot of smaller nations then it is with a few mega huge nations.

Japan, the Koreas, Phillipines, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, Burma, Singapore, Indonesia, and Brunei(Not sure on a name yet.)

I don't think I'm going to join this Earth, SYAE is keeping me going.

I do want to point out the outlandishly large claims. Russia, the largest country in the world with fairly decent military equipment and a few more countries? Scandinavia and German speaking countries? I myself would have joined if allowed my previous SYAE claims as those seemed to work quite well for me.

A final note: Unless you want 10 players claiming the whole Earth (which isn't very fun to RP with) make smaller claims or reduce them. I don't have authority over it, it's up to Wagdog, and if that's the Earth he wants, there's nothing wrong with that. But it's a lot more fun to RP with a lot of smaller nations then it is with a few mega huge nations.

Don't be dissing my Russian Federation!

Well, here are some stats that show the difficulties in choosing NS or RL stats.
If we use RL stats, whoever has the US should dominate.
however when we compare my NS stats with the RL stats:
Total Defense (RL):
79,222,020,000

Total Defense (NS):
16,794,562,279

I have a much higher spending cap. I don't know. Its up to you guys.

Well, here are some stats that show the difficulties in choosing NS or RL stats.
If we use RL stats, whoever has the US should dominate.
however when we compare my NS stats with the RL stats:
Total Defense (RL):
79,222,020,000

Total Defense (NS):
16,794,562,279

I have a much higher spending cap. I don't know. Its up to you guys.

If we used NS stats, my military budget would be through the roof b/c I have 100% taxes in NS...

Did you add Belarus to my claims? And my country's name is the Union of the Russias. The UR for short.

Candistan, if you want finland, its all yours.

Announcement: even though the Dominion of Kampfers is a dictatorship, they are willing to establish friendly relations with all countries.

I'll only take Finland if Wagdog allows it.
Sure.;) Fits more for a UR anyway, although I'd advise against taking Ukraine for at least a day or two since I think Czechalrus will claim that (or part) if they show up. Don't worry though, I'm not going to hold my breath much past tomorrow afternoon on the Ukraine so those who might want it, don't give up hope entirely.
Also, Candistan, I caught the UR earlier, but I'm editing Finland and Belarus in now on a plain Theodora map I got for default use until I can update the fancy one.

If we used NS stats, my military budget would be through the roof b/c I have 100% taxes in NS...

You have the US! Your military budget is through the roof both ways!

I just want to say that my claims list is closed (until conquest later on...) so I am not taking anything else like Ukraine, Slovakia, Czech Republic, ect.

You have the US! Your military budget is through the roof both ways!

Yeah, but in NS, my pop is over 2.5 billion-which equals an exponential growth in said budget.

I don't think I'm going to join this Earth, SYAE is keeping me going.

I do want to point out the outlandishly large claims. Russia, the largest country in the world with fairly decent military equipment and a few more countries? Scandinavia and German speaking countries? I myself would have joined if allowed my previous SYAE claims as those seemed to work quite well for me.

A final note: Unless you want 10 players claiming the whole Earth (which isn't very fun to RP with) make smaller claims or reduce them. I don't have authority over it, it's up to Wagdog, and if that's the Earth he wants, there's nothing wrong with that. But it's a lot more fun to RP with a lot of smaller nations then it is with a few mega huge nations.

Japan, the Koreas, Phillipines, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, Burma, Singapore, Indonesia, and Brunei(Not sure on a name yet.)
First, @ CourbonneApproved; sounds like a "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" or "Greater Japanese Empire" to me, but pick the name you want.:cool::p That's why Suspension of Disbelief is in force here, after all: so you can come up with whatever alternate country you want so long as it doesn't completely flip the proverbial game board.
Either way, in response to Futruis; your objection is certainly legitimate, though I'll miss having you for sure.:( By nature, this RP is somewhat skewed towards the newbs (allowing any substitution upon original hardware claims, or even completely allowing those given the vagaries of alternate history...) so as to teach them the finer points of earth RP (and perhaps let the supposed "veterans" learn a bit more themselves as well) without overly crimping imagination. However, do note that Kampfers' allowed me to edit their claim down twice, which I did in the interests of fairness and realism and (above all) because they requested such.

i hate having my old country deleted...
my new one is only at 50 mil.

Don't be dissing my Russian Federation!

I was opting for Poland since in SYAE WP already had that. And your 'Russian Federation' is already large.

I just think that if you already have one worldpower (not world super power, but world power nonetheless, up there with China) that adding on several nations to that is overkill.

Either way, in response to Futruis; your objection is certainly legitimate, though I'll miss having you for sure.:( By nature, this RP is somewhat skewed towards the newbs (allowing any substitution upon original hardware claims, or even completely allowing those given the vagaries of alternate history...) so as to teach them the finer points of earth RP (and perhaps let the supposed "veterans" learn a bit more themselves as well) without overly crimping imagination. However, do note that Kampfers' allowed me to edit their claim down twice, which I did in the interests of fairness and realism and (above all) because they requested such.

Yeah, it's fine, I just wasn't sure if you wanted a lot of people Earth or few people to keep a smaller community in (for the new guys as well as the veterans). I don't want to get in the way of your Earth, just pointing out a thing or two to make it a bit more realistic - but larger claims has it advantages too. Well, I guess I'm leaving this thread then.... :(

I was opting for Poland since in SYAE WP already had that. And your 'Russian Federation' is already large.

I just think that if you already have one worldpower (not world super power, but world power nonetheless, up there with China) that adding on several nations to that is overkill.

Sorry *shrugs* :p

Heres a rough map of Europe:

Heres a rough map of Europe:

You forgot Belarus under the UR's ownership.

I’ll form the Western European Federation and take France, the UK and Ireland, Italy, Spain and Portugal please. Sorry if they have already been taken or this is too much.

Is that approved or should I edit it? It's not so big actually looking at other peoples claims...

Is that approved or should I edit it? It's not so big actually looking at other peoples claims...

Big is kind of relative...while, territory-wise, you don't have such a big claim, power-wise, you do.

You forgot Belarus under the UR's ownership.
sorry, it was just a sketch to please some of us before the real map arrives.

Oh, Wagdog, if you really need a better map, I'll make one for you.

I’ll form the Western European Federation and take France, the UK and Ireland, Italy, Spain and Portugal please. Sorry if they have already been taken or this is too much.

Just a quick Note: If we're doing renaming here, can I fix the name of my nation to the North American Republic (NAR)?

i hate having my old country deleted...
my new one is only at 50 mil.

Is that approved or should I edit it? It's not so big actually looking at other peoples claims...
Hey, I allowed Kampfers' claim (sorry, but once you edited down IMO that was the final cut.:p Believe me, what you've got alone is quite powerful on its own, enough to go nuclear easily since Sweden already has much of the needed infrastructure IRL IIRC), so this WEF of yours should fly fairly well Honako. Entering it now, first the list and then the map. Also, editing your name now, AB.

i hate having my old country deleted...
my new one is only at 50 mil.

you can get it back ya know...


oh and i vote we use RL stats to make it more realistic

Oh, Wagdog, if you really need a better map, I'll make one for you.
Please do!:eek::) As is, how about I nominate you for Map Mod or something? "My drawing skillz R teh phail" pretty much sums things up on my end, and help there would be most appreciated. Vice Mod I'd like to have some votes for later, but would anybody object to HTT as Map Mod?:confused:

It sounds extremely interesting as such I would like to Claim Australia & New Zealand or just Australia Cheers.

can i claim Zaire, Congo, Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, Central African Republic, Cameroon, Chad, and Cabinda?


oh yeah, Wagdog can i name my claim The Central African Empire?

you can get it back ya know...


oh and i vote we use RL stats to make it more realistic

ya i know. ( someone told me that a few days ago)
but i kinda like how this new country is shaping better than i did the old one.
plus ive invested a lot of time in it (like on NS wiki and crap)

Im suprised no one has claimed the oil yet...

It sounds extremely interesting as such I would like to Claim Australia & New Zealand or just Australia Cheers.

oh yeah, Wagdog can i name my claim The Central African Empire?
ANZAC is the way to go, I say; and welcome aboard.:D As Vetaka-proper or what? Also, Cookesland, YA I need to add you in the worst way and CAE works great. If this is what I think it is, we could certainly use a tin-pot country or two (no insult meant, just the first thing that came to mind when I saw the CAE name)...;)

you can get it back ya know...


oh and i vote we use RL stats to make it more realistic

QFT on the 2nd part.

Erm after the failure of Peoples Earth one of my main downfalls was that I used Vetaka as a name so id like to be known As:

The Confederation of ANZAC States

Wagdog, Check TG's.

If this is what I think it is, we could certainly use a tin-pot country or two (no insult meant, just the first thing that came to mind when I saw the CAE name)...;)

whats a tin-pot country?


QFT on the 2nd part.

QFT?

Wagdog, Check TG's.
Checked, and replied.;) Hence, I'm nominating Candistan for Vice Mod. Any other candidacies, questions, votes?:confused: Same for H-Town as Map Mod?

heres a proposal: declare a color as the disputed color.
that way, if we look on the map and see a country in that color we can easily see that there has been an invasion.

Oh yeah, and instead of light blue can i get a medium blue

umm could i just get Dark Green as my color? i don't think anyone else is using it...

Checked, and replied.;) Hence, I'm nominating Candistan for Vice Mod. Any other candidacies, questions, votes?:confused: Same for H-Town as Map Mod?

Thank you for the nomination!

I nominate H-Town for map mod if he hasn't been nominated already..

I nominate H-Town for map mod if he hasn't been nominated already..

He has been already. By the way, he recieves my vote.

He has been already. By the way, he recieves my vote.

ditto

heres a proposal: declare a color as the disputed color.
that way, if we look on the map and see a country in that color we can easily see that there has been an invasion.

Oh yeah, and instead of light blue can i get a medium blue

Here's a Disputed Nomination I wager noone wants

He has been already. By the way, he recieves my vote.

mine 2

whats a tin-pot country?




QFT?
A "tin-pot" country, more fully "tin-plated dictatorship" is the sort of regime that the RL Emperor Jean-Bedel Boukassa of the Central African Empire ran; a country which is falling apart economically and socially, yet spends all its money on fancy weapons and the paraphernalia of State, and frequently not even these that well since much of the budget simply goes into the ruling elite's pockets as often as not. Again, no presumptions; for all I know your CAE could be something much more formidable (I hope so.;) An African major power always shakes things up a bit).
QFT= Quoted for Truth, indication of complete agreement on your part with a statement (Which I was relieved to learn, since I originally thought it meant the vulgar version of "Quit Trying" and such). A variant is QFMT or "Quoted for Mighty Truth," which adds oomph to the normal QFT.

heres a proposal: declare a color as the disputed color.
that way, if we look on the map and see a country in that color we can easily see that there has been an invasion.

Oh yeah, and instead of light blue can i get a medium blue

umm could i just get Dark Green as my color? i don't think anyone else is using it...
Can do, but the way the votes look to be going you might want to direct such questions to HTT soon...

A "tin-pot" country, more fully "tin-plated dictatorship" is the sort of regime that the RL Emperor Jean-Bedel Boukassa of the Central African Empire ran; a country which is falling apart economically and socially, yet spends all its money on fancy weapons and the paraphernalia of State, and frequently not even these that well since much of the budget simply goes into the ruling elite's pockets as often as not. Again, no presumptions; for all I know your CAE could be something much more formidable (I hope so.;) An African major power always shakes things up a bit).
QFT= Quoted for Truth, indication of complete agreement on your part with a statement (Which I was relieved to learn, since I originally thought it meant the vulgar version of "Quit Trying" and such). A variant is QFMT or "Quoted for Mighty Truth," which adds oomph to the normal QFT.

aha, yes i am going to make CAE a tin-pot country and thanks for the QFT clear up :)

Can do, but the way the votes look to be going you might want to direct such questions to HTT soon...

okay sure

地図ですよ! (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/ess.png)

何? 英語?

Oh, fine. The link above is the map...

hey h-town....
link don't work!:eek:

It does now.

地図ですよ! (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/ess.png)

何? 英語?

Oh, fine. The link above is the map...

the link didn't work.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/ess.png

Lol. Found it.

地図ですよ! ("http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/ess.png)

何? 英語?

Oh, fine. The link above is the map...
BRILLIANT!:eek::D Far superior to any of mine. But you need to drop the double-http:// in there, otherwise the link is broken (fixed it myself when trying and it worked fine). Are there any objections to me closing the poll on Map Mod and calling it for HTT?

Nope.

HTT, if you could make the map a little bigger perhaps?
and if you leave the country lines on within our choices, then it would be easier for editing if someone got invaded and you needed to change that part to disputed.

I took out the double http already. Now, are we to make factbooks now? Also, what time scale will we be moving on?

Nope.

HTT, if you could make the map a little bigger perhaps?
and if you leave the country lines on within our choices, then it would be easier for editing if someone got invaded and you needed to change that part to disputed.

I agree.

HTT, if you could make the map a little bigger perhaps?
and if you leave the country lines on within our choices, then it would be easier for editing if someone got invaded and you needed to change that part to disputed.

I have a version w/borders, if that happens, I'll switch to it. And what exactly is disputed now?

I have a version w/borders, if that happens, I'll switch to it. And what exactly is disputed now?

nothing yet. but it will be easier for later.

In that case, here (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/earthss.png) is the larger version.

What do we have to decide on next?

I took out the double http already. Now, are we to make factbooks now? Also, what time scale will we be moving on?

In that case, here (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/earthss.png) is the larger version.

What do we have to decide on next?
OK, noting the lack of objection, HTT is Map Mod now. Polls for Vice Mod are still open, and I need to log out for a while guys so have some fun discussing OK? Anyway, adding the bigger map link now. I'd say timescale is next, and I have no opinion since I can't really decide between 12 days RL/1 Year ESS or 1 month RL/1 Year ESS...:confused:

Can the years be a little longer in this earth. It gives us more time to get things done and RP them out.

Can the years be a little longer in this earth. It gives us more time to get things done and RP them out.

12 days is a good system...the problem is, if you make it too long, no one can ever get anywhere. 7 days is a bit too short; I personally like 12, as it makes each day a month, while indy RPs run on fluid time.

I like a month = 1 ESS year because my parents are divorced and my dad has custody rights on weekends. He has no computer so I can't play on saturday. Thus, i would miss a full month of ESS action.

I like a month = 1 ESS year because my parents are divorced and my dad has custody rights on weekends. He has no computer so I can't play on saturday. Thus, i would miss a full month of ESS action.

One month in Earths generally isn't that bad...I've missed considerably more on SYAE over the last week (missed 7 days-so I missed a good deal of a year). Earths won't push forward too much action over the coarse of one day.

Japan, the Koreas, Phillipines, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, Burma, Singapore, Indonesia, and Brunei

Just like to point out I have Singapore. Also, I would like to add Taiwan, Thailand, and East Timor to my claims, if that's alright. (Hopefully it should be, since others have edited their claims.)

And I'll take Wagdog's suggestion: Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

I think tawain is part of china, unless their willing to cede it.
we need some more people in this joint

I think tawain is part of china, unless their willing to cede it.
we need some more people in this joint

Taiwan is claimed by China, correct.

Taiwan is claimed by China, correct.

QFT yes in this Earth i agree

and im okay with the one month 1 year system..

H-Town that map is awesome :D

ya map is great.

can everybody invite more ppl to join this, though? there is a lot of unclaimed territory.
Although if no one else joins I will claim Hungary, Slovenia, and Slovakia. But as of now, I will not.

Sorry, map didn't have Taiwan claimed. Just need Singapore, Thailand, and East Timor updated, then.

Taiwan is claimed by China, correct.

Taiwan is claimed, but won't try to break off unless a war can be avoided or their total destruction can be avoided. Not likely anytime soon.

I claim Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Macedonia, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Kuwait

I suppose I will call it the Kingdom of Erstereich.

Don't kill your claims...otherwise I'll pick up Mexico at this rate, too...

Hell, can i go ahead and claim Hungary, Slovenia, and Slovakia to add to the Dominion of Kampfers? And actually, I would like to change the name from the domion of kampfers to the Greater Germanic Alliance

ooc: Just so you guys know... I am very very new to this... so I might be like this :confused: at the beginning or even the whole way through.

Hey can I make a claim for Saudia Arabia, Iran, and Kuwait?

Kuwaits gone, take iraq and the UAE
give your claim a name.

Fine Saudia Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and UAE

For the Unified States of Silvado

Fine Saudia Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and UAE

For the Unified States of Silvado

Iraq's gone too. Try for Yemen/Egypt/Oman, or somethin' around there.

Ya, egypt would be good, cause then you could have 3 developed nations, 1 on every side of the 2 middle eastern seas.

How does Saudia Arabia, Iran, Egypt, Yemen sound?

For Unified States of Silvado

Ya, egypt would be good, cause then you could have 3 developed nations, 1 on every side of the 2 middle eastern seas.

Too bad they are all....umm...poor?

Too bad they are all....umm...poor?

but having those countries practically gives him a monopoly on oil...
what if he doesn't care about his individual citizens?

Hold up guys. I really don't think it is fair for new people if the first five claimers take 18 nations each. Kampfers, your claim that you have not including Hungary, Slovenia, and Slovakia was fine. That is some of the richest and most advanced countries in the world, you don't need any more.

Hold up guys. I really don't think it is fair for new people if the first five claimers take 18 nations each. Kampfers, your claim that you have not including Hungary, Slovenia, and Slovakia was fine. That is some of the richest and most advanced countries in the world, you don't need any more.

Did I claim too much? Like I said I am extremely new to this whole thing...

Hold up guys. I really don't think it is fair for new people if the first five claimers take 18 nations each. Kampfers, your claim that you have not including Hungary, Slovenia, and Slovakia was fine. That is some of the richest and most advanced countries in the world, you don't need any more.

QFT.

Corbournne;12501282']Sorry, map didn't have Taiwan claimed. Just need Singapore, Thailand, and East Timor updated, then.

I claim Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Macedonia, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Kuwait

I suppose I will call it the Kingdom of Erstereich.

Hell, can i go ahead and claim Hungary, Slovenia, and Slovakia to add to the Dominion of Kampfers? And actually, I would like to change the name from the domion of kampfers to the Greater Germanic Alliance

How does Saudia Arabia, Iran, Egypt, Yemen sound?

For Unified States of Silvado
For now, Taiwan might actually serve well as the first "disputed" color territory, eh?:p Anyway, I'll allow Kampfers to claim the rest of these lands (since they were German or Austrian territory at one time or another), but that's it; so Greater Germanic Alliance it is. Also, Silvado is approved, and so is Erstereich's claim. Will add the text now.

Hold up guys. I really don't think it is fair for new people if the first five claimers take 18 nations each. Kampfers, your claim that you have not including Hungary, Slovenia, and Slovakia was fine. That is some of the richest and most advanced countries in the world, you don't need any more.

My 2nd QFT of this thread.

Something Wicked this way comes. Translation: I foresee alot of troubles for this.

Hold up guys. I really don't think it is fair for new people if the first five claimers take 18 nations each. Kampfers, your claim that you have not including Hungary, Slovenia, and Slovakia was fine. That is some of the richest and most advanced countries in the world, you don't need any more.
i was just tryin 2 pick up some places in the poorhouse that noone else seemed to want.

Did I claim too much? Like I said I am extremely new to this whole thing...
i think urs is fine, but we'll leave it up to wagdog

i was just tryin 2 pick up some places in the poorhouse that noone else seemed to want.


i think urs is fine, but we'll leave it up to wagdog

That so called "poor house" isn't as poor as you think. They have stable governments and good militaries, and though their economies may not be up to par with West Europe and America's, they are still good places to have for your nation. If played right, someone could turn them into a formidable power on the European stage.

Hold up guys. I really don't think it is fair for new people if the first five claimers take 18 nations each. Kampfers, your claim that you have not including Hungary, Slovenia, and Slovakia was fine. That is some of the richest and most advanced countries in the world, you don't need any more.

Did I claim too much? Like I said I am extremely new to this whole thing...
You're fine. It's just that some are objecting to Kampfers going for the largest possible definition of "Grossdeutschland" in his country. But all of that was either German (e.g. Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation/"First Reich") or unified Scandinavian (such as the Kalmar Union) territiory; and thus as I've said, I approved it, but no more. As is, the WEF with their superior navy(ies) and nukes should balance him out well-enough. According to "suspension of disbelief," this allows the resurrection of a great historical empire at its maximum extent (and yes, if Candistan had claimed all of the USSR or even the Tsarist-era Russian Empire at first, I would also have accepted these claims as being within the maximum doable). However, I would advise against too much more un-RPed expansion. Like on SYAE's OOC thread, eventually we're going to have to start wheeling-dealing and warring here people...:p

Like on SYAE's OOC thread, eventually we're going to have to start wheeling-dealing and warring here people...:p

Thats where I am going to get lost lol...

All i want is the unified germany.
you know the song. But its not like im overpowering people. I got russia and half its old commie provinces on one side and practically all western europe on the other. and then amazonian beasts has the US, canda and Cuba. i hardly think im being unrealistic. the sizes dont compare, and the military is relatively the same.

All i want is the unified germany.
you know the song. But its not like im overpowering people. I got russia and half its old commie provinces on one side and practically all western europe on the other. and then amazonian beasts has the US, canda and Cuba. i hardly think im being unrealistic. the sizes dont compare, and the military is relatively the same.

Uhhh, hello? Germany has some of the best Military Equipment money can buy! Hell the Swedes have invented alot of great military equipment. If you equip your army correctly, it's going to be a powerful force, even for America.

Can we start this soon? The faster we start it, the better.

Uhhh, hello? Germany has some of the best Military Equipment money can buy! Hell the Swedes have invented alot of great military equipment. If you equip your army correctly, it's going to be a powerful force, even for America.

but the other people have next to nothing. so i can compete with others but i wont overly dominate them. plus, i aim to have good relations with everyone.

All i want is the unified germany.
you know the song. But its not like im overpowering people. I got russia and half its old commie provinces on one side and practically all western europe on the other. and then amazonian beasts has the US, canda and Cuba. i hardly think im being unrealistic. the sizes dont compare, and the military is relatively the same.

I won't be unrealistic after I open up :p

You'll simply need all your nations ;)

Be back tomorrow at noon.

but the other people have next to nothing. so i can compete with others but i wont overly dominate them. plus, i aim to have good relations with everyone.

Compete? Hell you'd almost dominate anyone you fight as long you arm your military correctly. The Leopard 2 is a much better tank the French LeClerc or the British Challenger 2. Hell it's more then a match for the M1A2 Abrams. Th German also field the PzH 2000, one of the greatest Self-Propelled Artillery Guns ever.

What are the rules concerning military size/strength, economy, population, and all that jazz?

Compete? Hell you'd almost dominate anyone you fight as long you arm your military correctly. The Leopard 2 is a much better tank the French LeClerc or the British Challenger 2. Hell it's more then a match for the M1A2 Abrams. Th German also field the PzH 2000, one of the greatest Self-Propelled Artillery Guns ever.

Not to mention the Swedes and their AT-4's and such.

What are the rules concerning military size/strength, economy, population, and all that jazz?

Realism I think, but if you RP correctly, you could turn a dirt-poor African nation into a good-strength economy.

ok... so militarily I'll probably have a lot of old Soviet hand me downs. At least I have Iraq and Kuwait for oil production.

Compete? Hell you'd almost dominate anyone you fight as long you arm your military correctly. The Leopard 2 is a much better tank the French LeClerc or the British Challenger 2. Hell it's more then a match for the M1A2 Abrams. Th German also field the PzH 2000, one of the greatest Self-Propelled Artillery Guns ever.

well, heres 2 reasons why i might not dominate-
A- im rusty at rp'ing
B- i might not want to engage in a me against the world situation.

Not to mention the Swedes and their AT-4's and such.

i assume your talking about the AK-4's and AK-5's?

i assume your talking about the AK-4's and AK-5's?

AT-4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT4) is the correct answer

What are the rules concerning military size/strength, economy, population, and all that jazz?

Realism I think, but if you RP correctly, you could turn a dirt-poor African nation into a good-strength economy.
Xactly, my good Candistan.;) Hence, the Central African Empire could become quite the regional power on this Earth, played well.
Also, Erstereich, unlike on some Earth's you're not stuck with the military equipment you claim (although you are stuck with your military's size, at least at the start you are), so by-and-large you can create your own force when doing your factbook. Hence, Kampfers (say) could go all-Swedish, or all-German, or whatever in his military; overwriting that onto the Swedish stuff under "Suspension of Disbelief" so long as he stays within the overall numbers and types of weapons, or else modifies the numbers up or down to match type changes accordingly. As long as you either swap for roughly-equivalent weapons in terms of capability/cost, or either smaller numbers/more advanced or greater numbers/less advanced force postures accordingly, you'll be OK. Essentially, try to stay within both what you want and what you think your country could afford, based on what the regions have IRL and what your factbook research shows. I don't demand exact accuracy, just so long as you're willing to discuss problems with us and ask for what help you need.

oh. i didn't see that at first. Nice weapon, hmm

Are we voting on the vice-mod now? :)

Can I Claim: India, Pakistan, Nepal, Banglahdesh and Bhutan? as the Kingdom of Animarnia?

Xactly, my good Candistan.;) Hence, the Central African Empire could become quite the regional power on this Earth, played well.
Also, Erstereich, unlike on some Earth's you're not stuck with the military equipment you claim (although you are stuck with your military's size, at least at the start you are), so by-and-large you can create your own force when doing your factbook. Hence, Kampfers (say) could go all-Swedish, or all-German, or whatever in his military; overwriting that onto the Swedish stuff under "Suspension of Disbelief" so long as he stays within the overall numbers and types of weapons, or else modifies the numbers up or down to match type changes accordingly. As long as you either swap for roughly-equivalent weapons in terms of capability/cost, or either smaller numbers/more advanced or greater numbers/less advanced force postures accordingly, you'll be OK. Essentially, try to stay within both what you want and what you think your country could afford, based on what the regions have IRL and what your factbook research shows. I don't demand exact accuracy, just so long as you're willing to discuss problems with us and ask for what help you need.


I'll probably have a lot of questions... so try not to get annoyed.

Are we voting on the vice-mod now? :)

Can I Claim: India, Pakistan, Nepal, Banglahdesh and Bhutan? as the Kingdom of Animarnia?
We should be, Candistan. Since Czechalrus has had hours to show up, claim land and declare for the candidacy if interested but hasn't, you have my vote. Others may still nominate and vote as they choose, of course.
Welcome aboard Animarnia, and yes your claim is approved.

I vote for myself. :)

I vote for myself. :)
Noted, although beware since Czechalrus is probably going to show up after all and claim some; so you'll probably have a challenger for the vice-modship soon...

Noted, although beware since Czechalrus is probably going to show up after all and claim some; so you'll probably have a challenger for the vice-modship soon...

Yeah, I know. I read it in the Peter the Great thread.

How Librel are we allowed with our military?

are we limited just by type (like in SYAE) or number too? I'd prefer to be limited just by type

I think it should be the type only, but I don't think we can allow a more than 5% max population in the armed forces. And that is with conscription and volunteering and such, discluding reserves.

How Librel are we allowed with our military?

are we limited just by type (like in SYAE) or number too? I'd prefer to be limited just by type
The only limitations I can really countenance are numbers, and only for your starting force (i.e. when you first publish your factbook). After that, you can build or buy what you will under the Suspension clause (Opentech on this Earth is just that: open.), so long as you modify the numbers accordingly if the tech is different or stay within the numbers if equivalent. And of course, so long as you can pay for it somehow and explain why (not too detailed, really just a matter of showing that the reasons are there and allowing us a few moments' thought over whether they justify the claim or not).
EDIT: And as for % under arms, yeah 10% absolute max (if you want to go North Korea-style), 1-2% normal max with provision for 5% under wartime measures. Candistan, the problem I see with limiting weapon types is that some here might see operating a given weapon type as part of their country's 'signature' for example. That's why I let them switch types out even before starting, as part of an AU or such; so long as an attempt is made to do so realistically (i.e. a base that supports 18 F-16C-40s can support how many MiG-29B Fulcrum-As instead?). Again, why not let opentech be 'opentech'? I seriously doubt international patent lawsuits are going to stop even IRL weapons piracies (see Iran putting the CQ pirated-M16 into service, and a bullpup derivative of this besides), much less NSers who are far less scrupulous on average I'd imagine...

ITs just the armed forces I have are a bit of a mess; we still use some old generation stuff; I was wondering if it would be ok to bring the stuff up to the current standard but still only by the types at the start avalable to my clams? it just cuts down the logistical nighmare of keeping lots and lots and lots of different parts of different peices of equipment.

Sorry, I misunderstood the "Type" part of it. I though it was army type like "provisional" or "North Korean" because I didn't think it would make sense for a country with per say 1 million people in it to have a NK type military.

ITs just the armed forces I have are a bit of a mess; we still use some old generation stuff; I was wondering if it would be ok to bring the stuff up to the current standard but still only by the types at the start avalable to my clams? it just cuts down the logistical nighmare of keeping lots and lots and lots of different parts of different peices of equipment.
In short: YES.:D This is exactly the sort of question my doctrine here on ESS addresses. However, it cannot be a perfect 1-1 substitution, since your MiG-29s or Mirage 2Ks are going to cost far more than the older types (MiG-21s, &c) they replace, and so you'll still need to relinquish some numbers to achieve this upgrade. I'd originally thought of allowing perfect "fighter=fighter=fighter" style swapping, but that struck me as giving too much power to the tinclads of the world, who could've suddenly converted their hordes of MiG-21s into MiG-1.44s or worse under that scheme...:eek: A cool magic trick? Sure, but hardly the stuff of fair RP even by my liberal standards...:rolleyes:
Edit: Well guys, bedtime calls for me I'm afraid. Just put up your claims and votes and whatnot, I'll get to them when I'm up right away; and by all means keep discussing your stuff in the meantime.;) This can't be "The People's Earth II" b/c Dweladelphia still has that name for whatever sequel to that he does AFAIK (I asked if I could start that, but he never got back to me with an answer). But I try to run things here like a tighter version of the same consultative style he used, so please keep hashing things out and I'll see what you've all come up with; once I'm semi-conscious again... anyway.

Very true. Though you will see something else coming from me on this. In wartime your aged stuff can suddenly become useful.

^That's why Russia maintains a supply of WWII era weaponry.

In short: YES.:D This is exactly the sort of question my doctrine here on ESS addresses. However, it cannot be a perfect 1-1 substitution, since your MiG-29s or Mirage 2Ks are going to cost far more than the older types (MiG-21s, &c) they replace, and so you'll still need to relinquish some numbers to achieve this upgrade. I'd originally thought of allowing perfect "fighter=fighter=fighter" style swapping, but that struck me as giving too much power to the tinclads of the world, who could've suddenly converted their hordes of MiG-21s into MiG-1.44s or worse under that scheme...:eek: A cool magic trick? Sure, but hardly the stuff of fair RP even by my liberal standards...:rolleyes:

Ya basically all I'm doing is putting the Mig-29 and Su-30 as the main stay in the airforce and swapping out the older tanks for Adjun MBT's it cuts down on the logistics train

Finding information on the artilary is a problem; plus anyone have a link to Pakistani Military information; Wiki only has india

Ya basically all I'm doing is putting the Mig-29 and Su-30 as the main stay in the airforce and swapping out the older tanks for Adjun MBT's it cuts down on the logistics train

Finding information on the artilary is a problem; plus anyone have a link to Pakistani Military information; Wiki only has india

I have a book of Armor and Airforce stats of most of the nations of the world if that is of any help. Pakistan has a lot of American Armor such as M60's and such.

I have a book of Armor and Airforce stats of most of the nations of the world if that is of any help. Pakistan has a lot of American Armor such as M60's and such.

That would actually be quite helpful; if you could give me the basics of the Pakistani airforce, army and navy ?

types and numbers.

That would actually be quite helpful; if you could give me the basics of the Pakistani airforce, army and navy ?

types and numbers.

I don't have Naval craft other than planes or helicopters in there, but I can give you a general amount and type of their planes and vehicles.

Here is a list of vehicles they have. I will add more when I find it.

MBT's and LT's:

NORINCO Type 85-II MBT
NORINCO Type 69 MBT
NORINCO Type 59 MBT
Al Khalid MBT 2000
T-80 MBT
T-54/55 MBT
T-84 MBT
M48A5 MBT

TRACKED APC'S and WEAPONS CARRIERS
M113A2 APC
M901 IMPROVED TOW VEHICHLE

WHEELED VEHICLES
UR-416 APC (4x4)
S-55 APC (4x4)

SP ARTILLERY
M110 203mm
M109A2 155mm

That's all for land vehicles, time for air forces.

FIGHTERS
CAC F-7P/MP/PG
CAC/PAC FC-1/JF-17 XIAOLONG/THUNDER (JF-17)
MIRAGE III/5/50
F-16A/B
NAMC Q-5 FANTAN A-5
SHENYANG J-6/FT-6 (MiG-19 FARMER)

TRANSPORT/UTILITY
DASSAULT ATLANTIC 1 & 2
CN-235M
FOKKER F-27/ FOKKER 50/60
C-130H
P-3 ORION
RC-12 GUARDRAIL

HELICOPTERS
SA 313/315
SA 316/319
SA 330
AH-1 SUPERCOBRA
UH-1 IROQUOIS
Mil Mi-17

There you go. It's done.

I don't have Naval craft other than planes or helicopters in there, but I can give you a general amount and type of their planes and vehicles.

:) that would be much appriated

Can I join in on this? If I can I wish to claim the Ukraine, the world's breadbasket.

I already did research on Turkish military equipment and to my suprise they use a lot of American and German stuff in there military (I dont know why it suprised me, but it did).

Romania and Greece also use a lot of German stuff... So it looked like I didnt get a bad draw as far as military equipment.

Pakistani list done.

Here is a list of vehicles they have. I will add more when I find it.

MBT's and LT's:

NORINCO Type 85-II MBT
NORINCO Type 69 MBT
NORINCO Type 59 MBT
Al Khalid MBT 2000
T-80 MBT
T-54/55 MBT
T-84 MBT
M48A5 MBT

TRACKED APC'S and WEAPONS CARRIERS
M113A2 APC
M901 IMPROVED TOW VEHICHLE

WHEELED VEHICLES
UR-416 APC (4x4)
S-55 APC (4x4)

SP ARTILLERY
M110 203mm
M109A2 155mm

That's all for land vehicles, time for air forces.

FIGHTERS
CAC F-7P/MP/PG
CAC/PAC FC-1/JF-17 XIAOLONG/THUNDER (JF-17)
MIRAGE III/5/50
F-16A/B
NAMC Q-5 FANTAN A-5
SHENYANG J-6/FT-6 (MiG-19 FARMER)

TRANSPORT/UTILITY
DASSAULT ATLANTIC 1 & 2
CN-235M
FOKKER F-27/ FOKKER 50/60
C-130H
P-3 ORION
RC-12 GUARDRAIL

HELICOPTERS
SA 313/315
SA 316/319
SA 330
AH-1 SUPERCOBRA
UH-1 IROQUOIS
Mil Mi-17

There you go. It's done.


Any idea how many nukes India and Pakistan have between them?

Hey Wagdog when you get on can you check your telegrams. There was a small mistake in my claims.

Can I join in on this? If I can I wish to claim the Ukraine, the world's breadbasket.

Hey Wagdog when you get on can you check your telegrams. There was a small mistake in my claims.
You most certainly may, especailly since I'd been holding the Ukraine open for you in case you wanted to claim there.;) As Czechalrus proper or what?
Mistake, how?:confused: As is you can get Portugal and Spain fine, assuming you still want them.

Any idea how many nukes India and Pakistan have between them?

A few hundred maybe.

China has a lot of forces. I don't think I can list them all here.

China has a lot of forces. I don't think I can list them all here.

What do you mean?

Factbook up! (see here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522923)...)

OOC: Ill get my book up in about an hour or two. What are the rules for this this earth RL All, NS All or a mixture of the two? Id also put myself forward for any MOD positions that are required.

I'm putting up a factbook in a few minutes.

OOC: Ill get my book up in about an hour or two. What are the rules for this this earth RL All, NS All or a mixture of the two? Id also put myself forward for any MOD positions that are required.
As explained in the OP, freeform so long as a) you work with your territories and their stats ("Succession of States"), or else make reasonable alterations that balance each other out (e.g. more military equipment, so long as it's cheaper than the RL stuff that place has); and b) you respect others' right to make such alterations within reason ("Suspension of Disbelief"), and absolutely respect their story background unless that amounts to a godmod as well (e.g. an entire truly-immortal population, a race of gods or such; versus a minority of ageless but still destructible-with-effort citizens such as Tolkien Elves or Highlander Immortals living within a majority-normal human population, both of which and more besides are legal here for countries to have if they wish so long as all 'special inhabitants' have weaknesses that are RPed as fairly as their strengths...). The populations are going to be RL AFAIK (Votes?:confused:), but the jury is out on techs (I favor both RL and NS, for extra creativity; and since Czechalrus' homebuilt stuff is pwnz0r too....;)).
Also, I say we should start the vice-mod vote over in a separate poll, just for openness' sake; since Czechalrus and Vetaka at least expressed interest later than Candistan did, and I don't want to deny them a fair vote. So how about all interested declare your candidacies now so I know how many options for the poll there will be? I won't be able to set the poll up until later, but it will run for a while so no worries about being slept-out or anything.

Start RL then move to more NS as we go up in years?

I think that we should just RP the developement of new tech in the RP. If you want something from NS, take the design and RP development.

Aye; Start libral RL then move to NS; I say Librel RL cos I think its pretty fair to allow projects that could have been like the F-23 for the US and the Mig-1.44 for russia

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12504516&posted=1#post12504516
^
My start on the Factbook of the Union of the Russias

Start RL then move to more NS as we go up in years?

I think that we should just RP the developement of new tech in the RP. If you want something from NS, take the design and RP development.

Aye; Start libral RL then move to NS; I say Librel RL cos I think its pretty fair to allow projects that could have been like the F-23 for the US and the Mig-1.44 for russia
This will have to be my last post for a bit thanks to work, but ya, all of these are good ideas. How about if we have players RP the R&D for a weapon if it's NS in-service date is later than 2007; but equally, we allow an NS design right off if its debut date is earlier than 2007 (such as some of Czechalrus' older stuff like the T-7 series and its relatives)? And yes, experimental designs IRL count as RL, so the MiG-1.44 ("MiG-39 Flatpack" as some sources have it, such as hinted here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_Project_1.44) if you combine the bolded designator and ASCC reporting names) and YF/F-23 Black Widow II can enter service easily. In fact, so long as you reduce force structure accordingly, I see no reason why a wealthy enough country couldn't start out with those; since all of their development cycles are essentially complete, lacking only the production funding and intent needed to actually procure militarily-useful numbers of the designs.

Hey, I allowed Kampfers' claim (sorry, but once you edited down IMO that was the final cut.:p Believe me, what you've got alone is quite powerful on its own, enough to go nuclear easily since Sweden already has much of the needed infrastructure IRL IIRC), so this WEF of yours should fly fairly well Honako. Entering it now, first the list and then the map. Also, editing your name now, AB.

Does Sweden really have the infastructure to build a nuclear bomb? Do you have any links (not that I'm criticizing, but I haven't been able to find anything, and I have Sweden in SYAE...)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522932
this is the start of the Greater Germanic Alliance's factbook.
i hav 2 go so it will be updated this afternoon into tommorrow. skool suks and they blocked this webpage, so i have to do it all at home now.

Candistan, Honako check ur TGs

Cool. Metal Storm tech hurray.

Does Sweden really have the infastructure to build a nuclear bomb? Do you have any links (not that I'm criticizing, but I haven't been able to find anything, and I have Sweden in SYAE...)

Join us; you can have our spares I plan on reduscing our nuclear stockpile by 75% when I get a fact book up.

Uhhh, hello? Germany has some of the best Military Equipment money can buy! Hell the Swedes have invented alot of great military equipment. If you equip your army correctly, it's going to be a powerful force, even for America.

Really? I was never aware that Sweden was a world leader in military equipment.

Besides Visby corvettes, Gotland class subs, JAS 39-Gripen's, the AT-4...yeah, I guess.

There are a few others too, like Carl Gustav recoilless rifle, and stuff, things that aren't huge but good too.

By the way, if you haven't caught it yet, to whoever has Scandinavia (which I believe is Kampfers) that was a list of a few things you might want to consider as important Swedish military devices.

AND.............

I think that I will, in fact, join this Earth. I don't know for how long I will stay (hopefully as long as possible) but based on what I have plans for in IC terms, my reign may be short lived. But hey, it's worth a try....

Claims: Israel (all of it), Spain, Portugal

Name: The Empire of Futuris

EDIT: When I'm talking about Israel, I don't mean Gaza Strip or West Bank. In IC terms, I could eventually think about invading those regions, but with claiming in general, I prefer not to trouble my starting power with poverty stricken pieces of land brutally fought over.

Your too late I think.

Who's the poor sap who's gonna play Taiwan (the NPC nation at this point)? Also for IC reasons. If sweden gets nuclear weapons...won't that be against their policy? Similiar to how Japan can easily build nuclear weapons, but decided against it?

It's never too late to join.

It's never too late to join.

*gives cookie*

On the issue of Sweden getting nuclear weapons......it would be against their RL policy (they already have nuclear power plants and such) but in SYAE, even in that somewhat strict realism (which believe me is not as strict as E2 for example) I don't have to follow RL Swedish policy in SYAE (in this Earth, Kampfers doesn't have to either).

1st section of factbook finished! gosh adding up thos GDP's, populations, and areas took forever.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522932

Candistan, Honako, and Czechalrus, check ur TG's

Skeleton factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522949)

I plan on putting in a lot more later.

Alright, I new to this is there anything I need to know?

Hey h-Town, can we get an updated map?

What do we have to do before we start this. If there are no objections, may I start a thread on something the Union is going to do? The more active we get in the beginning, the better this RP will fare.

My still-under-construction NAR factbook (buncha articles to go):

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12505774#post12505774

What do we have to do before we start this. If there are no objections, may I start a thread on something the Union is going to do? The more active we get in the beginning, the better this RP will fare.

I think we are waiting until the factbooks are done to start but i could be wrong.
o, and check ur TGs

Really? I was never aware that Sweden was a world leader in military equipment.

Besides Visby corvettes, Gotland class subs, JAS 39-Gripen's, the AT-4...yeah, I guess.

There are a few others too, like Carl Gustav recoilless rifle, and stuff, things that aren't huge but good too.

By the way, if you haven't caught it yet, to whoever has Scandinavia (which I believe is Kampfers) that was a list of a few things you might want to consider as important Swedish military devices.

AND.............

I think that I will, in fact, join this Earth. I don't know for how long I will stay (hopefully as long as possible) but based on what I have plans for in IC terms, my reign may be short lived. But hey, it's worth a try....

Claims: Israel (all of it), Spain, Portugal

Name: The Empire of Futuris

EDIT: When I'm talking about Israel, I don't mean Gaza Strip or West Bank. In IC terms, I could eventually think about invading those regions, but with claiming in general, I prefer not to trouble my starting power with poverty stricken pieces of land brutally fought over.

It's never too late to join.

Alright, I new to this is there anything I need to know?

What do we have to do before we start this. If there are no objections, may I start a thread on something the Union is going to do? The more active we get in the beginning, the better this RP will fare.

I think we are waiting until the factbooks are done to start but i could be wrong.
o, and check ur TGs
Futruris, claim approved for Israel and adding now; but yes, Spain and Portugal are in the WEF as things stand. Also, I'll see candistan's cookies so far and raise a jar of them myself.:):p That's just the spirit for here.
Well Czechalrus, basically just that so long as you stay within your facts and figures for the Ukraine and what territories you RP-claim afterward, you can let your imagination run. Case in point, you could exchange all of Ukraine's MiG-29s for MiG-39/1.44s and Su-27s for S-37/Su-47s even at the start if you wanted; but to do this, you should either find or estimate the cost of the original equipment, and then divide that by the new stuff to get your revised (smaller in this hypothetical case) force structure to keep your overall military power balanced. Also, economic limits will be enforced although growth is certainly allowed (hint: research your growth rates if you can).
Also, Czechalrus' question gives me a good opportunity to raise a point. Once we've agreed our starting claims are over (a country's are when they post their first RP; which I'd advise waiting for until we have the vice-mod vote and everybody has at least a skeleton-factbook up), all future claims of NPC nations must be RPed out to avoid claim-'modding. For that purpose, one may contact a player you'd like to challenge (such as a rival you think would oppose you ICly here?) to play the NPC nation, or else the NPC side can be played by myself or the vice mod (candidates besides Czechalrus and Candistan?:confused:) as available. I agree with Candistan that waiting for all our factbooks to be completely done would kill ESS for sure; which is why I rule that we should wait until everybody has a skeleton up, but failing that a country may RP first if it has its factbook completed and there is a player at an equal or similar stage of readiness to challenge or whatever, so as not to see slower-to-start players griefed out entirely.

Stuff

Alright so the country we claim we have their military structure?

Alright so the country we claim we have their military structure?
Yes.;) As per the "Succession of States" bit at the beginning, your claim is considered a bloodless-coup or such on all lands you claim; and you thjus automatically and indsiputably claim all RL military assets on your territories. These can be modified to suit a player's national "style", such as a player simply transforming their territories' Western planes and such into Russian or Chinese instead when drawing up their factbook; so long as more advanced weapons choices yield smaller forces, and more basic ones yield larger forces if so desired (researching the RL stuff's cost and then dividing that by the desired stuff's cost is recommended, but guessing the difference is fine if needed). And under "Suspension of Disbelief", joining this RP requires us to accept what some might deem a "magical" substitution of hardware, so long as it obeys the limits of your claim's economy and aggregate military power under whatever order-of-battle you use (you can use past militaries as your starting point if you wish, but you have to take the past economy supporting them as well and then grow/shrink it accordingly). This way, you can customize your country however you want to start with, but still not be considered godmodding or anything; since there are rules still being applied to the process.
Well, 'night for now. Seriously, are there any Vice Mod candidates besides Czechalrus and Candistan?:confused: I'll start the poll first thing tomorrow so we can get started with somebody around besides me to fight for the NPC nations when people invade/subvert/coup/whatever to claim them. This way, the sort of weak claims RPs I saw all the time on TPE can be avoided and we can have some interesting Claimant vs. Mod/NPC matches for the newer players to learn the ropes watching...:cool:

Id like to put myself to be a vice mod. Do i need to make a Political Statement or somthing lol?

Newest map (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/earthss-1.png)

Futuris, I assumed by "Israel (all of it)" you meant Israel and the West Bank.

Id like to put myself to be a vice mod. Do i need to make a Political Statement or somthing lol?
This counts.:):p You're on the poll, and I'm going to put it up as soon as I finish browsing the new threads from while I was asleep; so Last call for Vice Mod Candidates! Get 'em while they're hot!

Factbook Updated.

Yeah, by the way, people. If you want diplomatic contact with the UR, drop by the factbook and say what type of gov't you and your country is.

This counts.:):p You're on the poll, and I'm going to put it up as soon as I finish browsing the new threads from while I was asleep; so Last call for Vice Mod Candidates! Get 'em while they're hot!

I might as well try for Vice Mod-I've had experience with other Earths already and already made my own at one point.

I'm just going to keep my current regime for now. However, when we start I got a couple of issues to clear up with the world. :)

China is already in RL preparing for war, so we will be as bold as them.

I might as well try for Vice Mod-I've had experience with other Earths already and already made my own at one point.

I'm just going to keep my current regime for now. However, when we start I got a couple of issues to clear up with the world. :)

China is already in RL preparing for war, so we will be as bold as them.
OK AB, will put you up as the fourth V-MOD candidate and start the poll now. Thanks for standing up to be counted.;)
And Eralineta as the PRC, got it. Changing now...

Newest map (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/fukuoka_yakuza/earthss-1.png)

Futuris, I assumed by "Israel (all of it)" you meant Israel and the West Bank.
The map looks good, aside from the possible error on Futuris claim IIRC; and from what I can see Kampfers still needs Hungary and Slovakia/Moravia colored in, as per his full claim. Do take your time, just a reminder is all.

In all the years I've been creating and re-creating nations for N-S (this being the 5th or so, Rea Dan was probably the orginal and is now gone,) I've never done MT of any sort. Given the loose nature of this earth, I think I'll give it a shot here.

I'd like to create a new (or maybe just a non-collapsed,) Yugoslavia, holding atleast Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia. I'l probably be working on the MT part of my factbook while your reading this and hope the alleged join date doesn't scare you off.

The map looks good, aside from the possible error on Futuris claim IIRC; and from what I can see Kampfers still needs Hungary and Slovakia/Moravia colored in, as per his full claim. Do take your time, just a reminder is all.

and silvado has the UAE

In all the years I've been creating and re-creating nations for N-S (this being the 5th or so, Rea Dan was probably the orginal and is now gone,) I've never done MT of any sort. Given the loose nature of this earth, I think I'll give it a shot here.

I'd like to create a new (or maybe just a non-collapsed,) Yugoslavia, holding atleast Serbia, Croatia and Bosnia. I'l probably be working on the MT part of my factbook while your reading this and hope the alleged join date doesn't scare you off.
New members are welcome, since part of this Earth is to provide a nice RP environment where players new to Earths, MT, or even RP itself can get up to speed. Welcome aboard:), I'll add you now under your name since I have to head to work, but after that I can edit your listing to whatever else you want (Country name? Add/leave Montenegro? &c...) when I get back around 10PM.

New members are welcome, since part of this Earth is to provide a nice RP environment where players new to Earths, MT, or even RP itself can get up to speed. Welcome aboard:), I'll add you now under your name since I have to head to work, but after that I can edit your listing to whatever else you want (Country name? Add/leave Montenegro? &c...) when I get back around 10PM.

wat time zone r u in? im in US central time (GMT -6). But if ur not, then ur 10 PM aint my 10 PM.

Amazonian Beast, check TGs

wat time r u in? im in US central time (GMT -6). But if ur not, then ur 10 PM aint my 10 PM.
Sry, I'm GMT-5 (-4 now thanks to Daylight time), Eastern US. That meant my 10PM, or about 4.5 hours from now unless work runs long (can go to 11PM EDT some nights.:rolleyes:). Meh, it's a reliable $7/hr in an easy office so I can't complain much...

wat time zone r u in? im in US central time (GMT -6). But if ur not, then ur 10 PM aint my 10 PM.

Amazonian Beast, check TGs

Replied that TG

I'd prefer the name to merely be "The Republic of Yugoslavia," since I'm fairly sure that it will be democratic but unsure about communism. Montenegro will be included and the republic will have (in a yet undetermined way,) resolved of ethnicity issues and now squabbles with ideological, religious and political problems.

Futruris, claim approved for Israel and adding now; but yes, Spain and Portugal are in the WEF as things stand.

Oh. It wasn't on the map before, so I guessed....

In that case, I don't want to be a part of this Earth. Sorry. I had a plan with Spain and Portugal, and if Honako really wants all of those 5-6 powerful European countries, sure. I just don't have anything to compete with that power.

Oh. It wasn't on the map before, so I guessed....

In that case, I don't want to be a part of this Earth. Sorry. I had a plan with Spain and Portugal, and if Honako really wants all of those 5-6 powerful European countries, sure. I just don't have anything to compete with that power.

Don't be a baby, that's never fun. You don't need all that power anyways. Do South America or the middle east.

Oh. It wasn't on the map before, so I guessed....

In that case, I don't want to be a part of this Earth. Sorry. I had a plan with Spain and Portugal, and if Honako really wants all of those 5-6 powerful European countries, sure. I just don't have anything to compete with that power.

Go for Argentina and the South American nations not taken, or grab Nigeria and surroundings (trust me, it's got a wealth of potential that's easily exploitable having a large pop.)

Don't be a baby, that's never fun. You don't need all that power anyways. Do South America or the middle east.

Go for Argentina and the South American nations not taken, or grab Nigeria and surroundings (trust me, it's got a wealth of potential that's easily exploitable having a large pop.)

No, you see, I had a very concrete and well thought out plan with Spain, Portugal, and Israel. A very good plan. On the map I think that Spain and Portugal weren't included in Honako's claim so I assumed that he withdrew from such a large claim and got himself a smaller one...

Hmm....I'll think about it. Maybe I can hatch another plan with the same outcome as last time. Who knows?

As a precaution I'll take Niger, Libya, Sudan, and Algeria. You can keep Israel (sorry for confusion w/ Spain&Portugal). Same name.

No, you see, I had a very concrete and well thought out plan with Spain, Portugal, and Israel. A very good plan. On the map I think that Spain and Portugal weren't included in Honako's claim so I assumed that he withdrew from such a large claim and got himself a smaller one...

Hmm....I'll think about it. Maybe I can hatch another plan with the same outcome as last time. Who knows?

As a precaution I'll take Niger, Libya, Sudan, and Algeria. You can keep Israel (sorry for confusion w/ Spain&Portugal). Same name.
Alright... Yeah, sorry.:( But claims still have to be first-come unless you (and this is a disembodied "you", everyone) can work out some sort of deal with the player who has what you want before starting. Editing now

You should go for Nigeria, Futuris-I swear, it's a great boost for population (especially with Lagos, giant city and potential).

Anyways:

NAR Factbook now Open for Arms Deals, Whatever other Economic Deals, Embassies, Consulates, Diplomacy, whatever else you can think of.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522975

Hey, I've been away for a couple of days. Are there any major threads on this that have been started, or is it all just factbooks so far?

Nothing to major. I am ready to start as china though. So it is ultimately up to you guys when we do actually start. I'll be using all of china's current tech and their policies will be the same as mine.

Seriously no one want Taiwan, that could be a major start for WWIII after all because of the key industries and support to China that will ultimately make it a key catalyst in any future international incidents or wars. Compared to the middle east, Taiwan is the biggest threat to starting WWIII if they even dare to suceed. Taiwan has been openly threatened for years and they are semi-seperate. As they pull away anyone aiding them will also face the wrath of China.

As said once before by the government. Chinese nuclear weapons will rain down upon hundreds of US cities if they go to war to help China. Though this ultimately will beckon a response and counter it as another cold war, though it will not be proxy in this case. As the fact that china can help Taiwan is clearly able to be seen.

China has the satellite-destruction ICBMs that can take out satellites, so I envision a stand off or all out war in WWIII with the way things are. Though that is really only just a plan for what might transpire in the next five years in the RP. Though this is entirely up to you guys. I just want to get this started and kick it off with a little fireworks, it won't take much to push the chinese into war when you help part of their country break away from them.

Nothing to major. I am ready to start as china though. So it is ultimately up to you guys when we do actually start. I'll be using all of china's current tech and their policies will be the same as mine.

Seriously no one want Taiwan, that could be a major start for WWIII after all because of the key industries and support to China that will ultimately make it a key catalyst in any future international incidents or wars. Compared to the middle east, Taiwan is the biggest threat to starting WWIII if they even dare to suceed. Taiwan has been openly threatened for years and they are semi-seperate. As they pull away anyone aiding them will also face the wrath of China.

As said once before by the government. Chinese nuclear weapons will rain down upon hundreds of US cities if they go to war to help China. Though this ultimately will beckon a response and counter it as another cold war, though it will not be proxy in this case. As the fact that china can help Taiwan is clearly able to be seen.

China has the satellite-destruction ICBMs that can take out satellites, so I envision a stand off or all out war in WWIII with the way things are. Though that is really only just a plan for what might transpire in the next five years in the RP. Though this is entirely up to you guys. I just want to get this started and kick it off with a little fireworks, it won't take much to push the chinese into war when you help part of their country break away from them.
Sounds interesting, although I'd suggest TGing the countries you plan to fight and such first, that way certain ground rules besides those here can be agreed to. Although anti-satellite ICBMs pwn, many are of the "n00ks=ph4il" school and might ignore the RP if it escalates to nukes; a tragedy, since this earth could use a good regional or world war around which things get organized, and I'd certainly be willing to RP the Tawianese defenders at least. But don't expect immediate help from my country proper though, since we're more interested in guarding our neutrality at first than getting the GEACCP and NAR to weigh in against us.

Factbook updated, only the Navy, Shock Troops, and Marines left to go.

Seriously no one want Taiwan, that could be a major start for WWIII after all because of the key industries and support to China that will ultimately make it a key catalyst in any future international incidents or wars. Compared to the middle east, Taiwan is the biggest threat to starting WWIII if they even dare to suceed. Taiwan has been openly threatened for years and they are semi-seperate. As they pull away anyone aiding them will also face the wrath of China.

I asked for it, but someone said it belonged to China.

Anyways, I'm working on a factbook that should be ready before nightfall. (EST)

alright, my factbook is finished.
it might need some revision, and if you have any suggestions then please tell me.
and i couldn't find much info on the navy and af of germany and sweden, so there is not much there.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522932

alright, my factbook is finished.
it might need some revision, and if you have any suggestions then please tell me.
and i couldn't find much info on the navy and af of germany and sweden, so there is not much there.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522932

Sweden and Germany don't have much of a navy. Sweden has the JAS 39 Gripen's and Germany has (or will have) the Eurofighter Typhoon and a few F-16's and such. And is the U212 really still under development? I was under the impression that it had already been developed by Germany...

Sweden and Germany don't have much of a navy. Sweden has the JAS 39 Gripen's and Germany has (or will have) the Eurofighter Typhoon and a few F-16's and such. And is the U212 really still under development? I was under the impression that it had already been developed by Germany...

It is. I meant to have it be "phasing in", not under development

Alright... Yeah, sorry.:( But claims still have to be first-come unless you (and this is a disembodied "you", everyone) can work out some sort of deal with the player who has what you want before starting. Editing now

You should go for Nigeria, Futuris-I swear, it's a great boost for population (especially with Lagos, giant city and potential).

Anyways:

NAR Factbook now Open for Arms Deals, Whatever other Economic Deals, Embassies, Consulates, Diplomacy, whatever else you can think of.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522975

Lol I mistook Niger for Nigeria. Okay, through all the confusion can I be allowed to finalize my claim Wagdog?

Claims: Niger, Nigeria, Sudan, Libya, Algeria, Israel (without West Bank, I don't want to anger the PA).

Name: The Empire of Futuris

(I think you forgot to include Israel in my new claims, I still want it but not Spain and Portugal. If I get this I will be content with my claim and not whine about S/P as I did so n00bishly before)

Sweden and Germany don't have much of a navy. Sweden has the JAS 39 Gripen's and Germany has (or will have) the Eurofighter Typhoon and a few F-16's and such. And is the U212 really still under development? I was under the impression that it had already been developed by Germany...

The U212 has been in service with Germany since 05. Germany never used F-16s, they had F-4 II Phantoms from America. They used the Panavia Tornado as it's Main Air-craft.

Factbook updated, only the Navy, Shock Troops, and Marines left to go.

Lol I mistook Niger for Nigeria. Okay, through all the confusion can I be allowed to finalize my claim Wagdog?

Claims: Niger, Nigeria, Sudan, Libya, Algeria, Israel (without West Bank, I don't want to anger the PA).

Name: The Empire of Futuris

(I think you forgot to include Israel in my new claims, I still want it but not Spain and Portugal. If I get this I will be content with my claim and not whine about S/P as I did so n00bishly before)
Eh, it happens; I know I've done worse in my time.:headbang: Yeah, I'll add all that (although IIRC that makes for some interesting lines-of-communication problems...:p).
Also, Candistan, for some reason the link I have keeps giving a 404 error even though I think I corrected it. Any idea what might be wrong? I kind of need to read through your take on the USSR's fall or such since it has a role in how I'm going to justify some of my forces on Guam (even with Suspension of Disebelief intact...), plus more of my planned RL-->ESS equipment substitutions besides.

Factbook updated, only the Navy, Shock Troops, and Marines left to go.

Lol I mistook Niger for Nigeria. Okay, through all the confusion can I be allowed to finalize my claim Wagdog?

Claims: Niger, Nigeria, Sudan, Libya, Algeria, Israel (without West Bank, I don't want to anger the PA).

Name: The Empire of Futuris

(I think you forgot to include Israel in my new claims, I still want it but not Spain and Portugal. If I get this I will be content with my claim and not whine about S/P as I did so n00bishly before)
Meh, it happens. I know I've done worse in my time.:headbang: Adding all of that now, although your lines of communication are going to be interesting to say the least.
Also, Candistan, the link to your factbook in the OP still gives me a Jolt 404; any idea what might be wrong?:confused: Both the thread link and the post link you provided don't work, although your factbook is accessible-enough if I use the II forum link...

It is. I meant to have it be "phasing in", not under development

Gotcha.

Could I claim Antartica? My idea is thus:

1. Cities of Pre-Cambrian Rock are forced up from the ice due to a massive earthquake.
2. A strange race emerges from these lost cities who:
---Once colonized earth
---Driven to Antartica during the Deluge
---Locked inside cities during the fall of Atlantis, Hyperborea, Ultima Thule, Mu, Rama Empire and Lemuria (The end of the antediluvian age.)
3. The race has lost much technology, and I will play them almost as an NGO, traviling to various ruins to rediscover this Earth's lost past( Helping to make a lost history for you all!)

In the beginning I want the race to be almost a past tech race, having nothing but the crude weapons they have furnished in the cities. Slowly they will adept to modern weapons.

I was also wondering if I might have "modern" technology work a bit different. Say, it works and has same stats as an abrams tank, but has a much more ancient and alien feel to it, while retaining MT stats.

Could I claim Antartica? My idea is thus:

1. Cities of Pre-Cambrian Rock are forced up from the ice due to a massive earthquake.
2. A strange race emerges from these lost cities who:
---Once colonized earth
---Driven to Antartica during the Deluge
---Locked inside cities during the fall of Atlantis, Hyperborea, Ultima Thule, Mu, Rama Empire and Lemuria (The end of the antediluvian age.)
3. The race has lost much technology, and I will play them almost as an NGO, traviling to various ruins to rediscover this Earth's lost past( Helping to make a lost history for you all!)

In the beginning I want the race to be almost a past tech race, having nothing but the crude weapons they have furnished in the cities. Slowly they will adept to modern weapons.

I was also wondering if I might have "modern" technology work a bit different. Say, it works and has same stats as an abrams tank, but has a much more ancient and alien feel to it, while retaining MT stats.


Please..no!

Nothing to major. I am ready to start as china though. So it is ultimately up to you guys when we do actually start. I'll be using all of china's current tech and their policies will be the same as mine.

Seriously no one want Taiwan, that could be a major start for WWIII after all because of the key industries and support to China that will ultimately make it a key catalyst in any future international incidents or wars. Compared to the middle east, Taiwan is the biggest threat to starting WWIII if they even dare to suceed. Taiwan has been openly threatened for years and they are semi-seperate. As they pull away anyone aiding them will also face the wrath of China.

As said once before by the government. Chinese nuclear weapons will rain down upon hundreds of US cities if they go to war to help China. Though this ultimately will beckon a response and counter it as another cold war, though it will not be proxy in this case. As the fact that china can help Taiwan is clearly able to be seen.

China has the satellite-destruction ICBMs that can take out satellites, so I envision a stand off or all out war in WWIII with the way things are. Though that is really only just a plan for what might transpire in the next five years in the RP. Though this is entirely up to you guys. I just want to get this started and kick it off with a little fireworks, it won't take much to push the chinese into war when you help part of their country break away from them.

...Would you like over 10,000 nukes in return?
NAR's anti-missiles defenses are far stronger than China's. They've been built for all of Russia's, anyway.

Thank again, I don't even think I care for Taiwan much-I may just direct more trade to India and other countries and away from China. Try to attack me over that, and you'll really be screwed.

Personally, I don't envision the NAR entering a war any time in the next few years-while I wait for my next-gen military lines to finish up.

Could I claim Antartica? My idea is thus:

1. Cities of Pre-Cambrian Rock are forced up from the ice due to a massive earthquake.
2. A strange race emerges from these lost cities who:
---Once colonized earth
---Driven to Antartica during the Deluge
---Locked inside cities during the fall of Atlantis, Hyperborea, Ultima Thule, Mu, Rama Empire and Lemuria (The end of the antediluvian age.)
3. The race has lost much technology, and I will play them almost as an NGO, traviling to various ruins to rediscover this Earth's lost past( Helping to make a lost history for you all!)

In the beginning I want the race to be almost a past tech race, having nothing but the crude weapons they have furnished in the cities. Slowly they will adept to modern weapons.

I was also wondering if I might have "modern" technology work a bit different. Say, it works and has same stats as an abrams tank, but has a much more ancient and alien feel to it, while retaining MT stats.

OOh, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, and Boeing want to speak to you!!