NationStates Jolt Archive

By theway, those fortresses are the gretest defences on the planet, built n the old days of the empires glory.
What tech level are we on, the same as when i left?

Oda. Hmmm. Well, Angerman said it first.
My essential aim would be forcing you to withdraw from India; in an ideal world from Indo-China as well. That, to me, would be knocking you down a peg or 5.
Now, in a nation of your size, social structure, and predominance of peasant rice farmers, industrializing will be haaaard. And I'd expect a lot of resistance from bureaucrats; along with the fact that your buraucracy, even if it doesn't deliberately stall progress, will hold things back. Meh, whatever. I'll be there first :D
As to trading with you, that's all very well, when I no longer feel threatened by your sheer size. So, once you're out of India, we'll trade with you to your (and our) hearts' content.

Ok, you can run that past Xavier when your charactor meets him in the Ostia thread..i would be glad to help.

Any fortress will fall eventually, and in a combination of gunpowder weapons and stone walls, gunpowder wins :D
Naval tech seems to have crept up a bit, but basically yeah, it's the same tech level.

Argh! Too many things at once! Anyhow, I don't even know Spizania exists yet; it'll have to wait for a bit. Though that oh so convenient India Company of mine will be knocking on his door as soon as he has one :D
Spizania, have you formally claimed those territories yet, or is it still a proposal?

So terribly poor quality gun poweder weapons, with mostly ancient weaponry otherwise?

Yes i have formally claimed them, as of now

You cant have old fortresses being the best. Firstly you have no idea what other nations have built. Secondly if they are old, there defences may not be that great compared to modern forts.

Hm I will deal with Russia. Even if I have a rebellion every year, I can make it like it was during the 1800's: Full of people who are so crushed by years of brutallity, what could be called slavery (although they are not officially) so that they have no will to fight.

By the way, last I looked Aust was posting in the fall of America thread.

And could we please, please, please have someone edit the map please!? So much needs to be done.....

My armys are acient roman legions pretty much, poor quality cannons and are being developed and received from our allys who have access to those types of things but they have not yet been put into circulation.

Im just saying thier very very formidable

Ok Spizania, get a thread up and you'll have visitors. Traders to start with, deal with them as you please, depending on whether you want a war now or later.
Just for my information, what is your navy like?

Oh yeah, I would edit the map, but I tried (and failed) to set up an imageshack or whatever account, so I could modify the map and then sit on it.

Why do I turn into the evil guy just because I have control of India? I mean, ok so invading Kiri is kinda mean, but why do you care about India so much? Mad that I got there first? :P lol, just wondering.

And whose to say I can't just do like Stalin did, massive industrilization in a short span of time just because I (the emperor wants it, and if you don't like it, die) want it. :D

Perhaps we should set up an OOC thread requesting someone to do the editting and hosting? And leave a list of things that need to be done.
Thrashia could you edit and host the map?

Navies probably going to be quite good to help defend my remining colonies

Does taht mean mostly ballistas and catapults with maybe some cannon creeping in.

So can i have a chain of florida-keys type islands between the fortress and the mainland, with a chain of short causeways between them and small forts on each. Then a massive walled city called the Craen Tirith guarding the land end

You turn into the evil guy because you're toooo powerful. And yes, I wanted to trade, play the Great Game, and maybe go to war in parts of India. Also, it is the second most populous area on earth, after the one you already control...
You CAN do it like Stalin did. But an essential part of doing it that way is external technology, as that form of system makes innovation almost impossible. I don't mean government research projects, just gradual improvement of the basics, that cumulatively makes all the difference.
In other words, it's possible when I've done it first, and you buy or steal the stuff from me.

Aust's navy is quite good, and that means ballistae on multi-deck ships. No cannon at all.
Mine and Caladonn's have cannon instead, but we are both rich countries on the rise, rather than a declining empire, so while I'm sure you can have
cannon, ballistae might be more appropriate.

Reallydrunk']My armys are acient roman legions pretty much, poor quality cannons and are being developed and received from our allys who have access to those types of things but they have not yet been put into circulation.

Y'know Romans were on the brink of discovering the Steam Engine, or thats what my Brother told me, that's right? right?

The Greeks had a toy based around the basic principle, so while I haven't seen anything specific it's entirely possible.
Not sure their metalworking was entirely up to it though; and the masses of slave labour militated against an (initially) expensive and unreliable new technology.
So they could have built a few prototypes, but would have had massive trouble adopting it large-scale, is my take on it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477134

I'm there :D

Reguarding the steam engine: the romans had everything they needed to discover it, but so far as i'm aware it was never even looked at.

much like my guys and the longbow, really.

and the slave based ecconomy would have rendered it difficult to get going. however, think if the romans had railways rather than just roads... the whole of europe, large chunks of asia, and most of africa would probiblby have been screwed.

oh: tech level wise, Angermanland has also developed Fixed wing, heavyer than air flight.. though not powered flight yet. Terror Incognitia is probibly the closest other nation to being able to develope it.

I like how anything exciting tech-wise, I'm there :D Must be a knack or something.
And, by the time we go Napoleonic, I intend to fully legitimately have Maxim guns and breech loading rifles, along with screw-powered iron-hulled rifled gunned ships :D
Be warned.:cool:

I like how anything exciting tech-wise, I'm there :D Must be a knack or something.
And, by the time we go Napoleonic, I intend to fully legitimately have Maxim guns and breech loading rifles, along with screw-powered iron-hulled rifled gunned ships :D
Be warned.:cool:

breach loaders are kinda.. late napolionic. it'd be very dificult to justify starting with them.

errrrrrrr... your ships scare me. though i expect, given the technological progression of our reality, the only thing in there anyone could take issue with is the screw power, unless it's powered by a bunch of slaves or soemthing in the hold :P

what's a maxim? i totaly forget.

though breach loading cannon came into use a little earlyer. still. they were.... less reliable and/or powerful, it think. though faster to fire.

By the time the world as a whole is Napoleonic I mean to be slightly beyond that :D
Screw power was first used on the SS Great Britain, built...for some reason 1840 comes to mind. I might be wrong. Paddle wheels might do if I had to.
Maxim is an early machine gun, only about 4 rounds a second. Hehe. Might have to hold back on that, cos I think it's more 1870's.

Whew...im working on getting deep blue ships and early cannons, the ostian military will put them into circulation at some point. When the 16,17,00's are reached ostia will have a VERY well established land force army because of our use of early tactics and formation right now. My navy will be built up to support these troops and patrol the high sea's.

i thinking, with the introduction of gunpowder and metals, combined with my guys high level of compitance in enginering and chemistry...

i have no idea where they'll end up. oh! that remeinds me: napolionic british style rockets are on the agenda. only with a variant of my arial delivery ordinance in them.

heh. those really were equily likely to come cureling back around and hit the fireing position or ammo dump as what they were aimed at, and more likely still would be big, boomy, scarry, and do jack all actual damage.

however, with their experiance Re the Hawks.... it's entirely possible i could come up with some that would actually fly in a [relitivly] straight line.

with a bit of effort i might even be able to launch them FROM the hawks gliders.


well, now i've OOCly revealed my next super wepon. snap. ;)

meanwhile, in the current era, the next round of Angerman ships are in development. i'm about to make a post in my thread about it.

Is it possible for me to create WWI Gas Masks, by which I mean is it possible for my guys to pee on socks and realise that it protects against lethal poison gas?

Wow...alots going on, well it's nice to see we are all developing nicely

OOC: pee on socks? who wears socks in this age?

the history of Empire. hehehe. new post in my thread that may interest peeps. go check it out.

as for the socks and stuff...

it strikes me as unlikely, *thinks* and would it have to urine? would water work?

it's possible that anyone who wears cloth masks anyway woud discover that fact easyly if it did.

heck, my eels basicly wear cloth masks. but... they're untreated. means they can get away with being accidently caught in their own attack, so long as they get out Fast, becuas it doesn't help a lot. just enough to give them a little.. breathing space... hehehe.

which is why, dureing a gass attack, you'll see my troops doing what i like to call the "RUN AWAY!" charge...

that is, they run up, toss the sulpher and fire grenades [or fly up and drop the bombs] then, without checking the effect, they... run away. very fast. upwind if that isn't towards the enemy.

Wow..your sience level is good, you may want to cheak my thread

Holy Empire of Ostia

Ostia Expands

Information that everyone should know about my nation is in there. I will cheak out your post anger, i have been trying to stay with the times.

Reallydrunk']Wow..your sience level is good, you may want to cheak my thread

Holy Empire of Ostia

Ostia Expands

Information that everyone should know about my nation is in there. I will cheak out your post anger, i have been trying to stay with the times.


links please? i'm lazy :P

there's a link to mine on the frount page.. well, to the one i was talking about. the "Angerman Exploritory Expidition" isn't listed, i don't think.. or was it "Angermanland Exploritory Expidition" .. at any rate, the one with Tazkook in it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471990&page=2 http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469057&page=10

There yah go, lol

Ahh, could somone please update the map and put egypt my colour. Also i have extended my borders father into Gaul, if that could be done i would be greatful.

you know, it really would be nice if the thread tools worked as advertised. prepare for minor tagage.

I like, think you could now maybe take out a frigate :p
Ships of the line, on the other hand, you'd leave in your wake but once they got to you you'd get mullered. Fair enough though.

Rockets= useless
From hawk gliders? No chance.
Really drunk if you want the map editted, do it yourself.
I would say having maxim guns at the start of the napoleonic era is beyond your means Terror. And probably that other thing too.


Anyways thats my two cents.

If we can have some kind of breah loading cannon, when we napoleonic can i have a massive spinal gun that hurls huge black powder charges when ive got the prow pointing at the enemy

I like, think you could now maybe take out a frigate :p
Ships of the line, on the other hand, you'd leave in your wake but once they got to you you'd get mullered. Fair enough though.


even a ship of the line will burn. and, as a bonus, i can shoot them while running toward or away from them. they have to cease to make forward progress to fire. well, once those ships come into production, anyway.

not to mention my ships are at lest as manouverable as schooners, i'd suspect. those things gave the british awful trouble in the napolionic wars. american privitears, or whatever. they would often sink and/or damage entire [empty, useually] transport fleets, even in harbour, and get away with minumul damage because the ships of the line couldn't turn fast enough to actually fire and hit them.

of course, they would only ever turn up in 1s or 2s, so a solid battle line would... detur them. put enough shot in the air, anything's going to get hit eventually.

Rockets= useless
From hawk gliders? No chance.
Really drunk if you want the map editted, do it yourself.
I would say having maxim guns at the start of the napoleonic era is beyond your means Terror. And probably that other thing too.


Anyways thats my two cents.

well, sure, if you're talking rockets exactly like the british had. but, think of how my guys are doing now? what are the odds they WOULDN"T work out stabilizeing fins? *laughs* then again, there is that whole embarrassing bit with the bows.

as for launching them from the gliders.. your probibly right. that's definitaly getting a bit carryed away.

and yeah, the maxim guns are pretty much beyond anyone untill late napolionic at best, i suspect. though volly guns arn't. hehe. they're funny.

If we can have some kind of breah loading cannon, when we napoleonic can i have a massive spinal gun that hurls huge black powder charges when ive got the prow pointing at the enemy

you know, i DID that. in modern tech. with a suped up PT style boat. i got slammed for it on the principal that haveing a fixed gun was stupid because you couldn't aim it. it was annoying. i mean, come on, the thing had twin jetboat engines, rocket launchers, torpedo launchers, depthcharges... crap all armour, but there's no way you could pack enough onto something that small for it to do anything other than just slow it down.

I liked the idea. i had these huge freaken carryer/tanker/ammo dump ships for them too, so they actually had decent range. they fought in swarms, and the carrier ships had a ginormas fixed spinal gun as well. for bombardment perposes only, because, well, something that big you CAN"T use the ship to aim.

yeup, i went totaly off topic there.

anyway, that has .. half the same advantage my "Dominance" [i think that's what i called them] class ships will have, only, i suspect, slower, less agile, and thus rediculously hard to aim at anything. on the other hand, if you reinforce the bow.. hehe.. sail straight at them, fireing all the way, take minimum rakeing damage [that was worst from the rear even without reinforcement] and then ram them if they don't move.

of course, if they do move, you're absolutly, totaly, and utterly stufffed, because their movement will probilby involve turning and fireing a broadside into you on your way past, or just getting out the way and raking [*cough*raping*cough*] your sturn.

this is why my ships fire forward AND backward. that and so they can shoot and run at the same time.

heh. be prepaired for more technological tangents comeing from Angermanland as time goes on, they will arive in ubundance, i think :)

Rockets= useless
From hawk gliders? No chance.
Really drunk if you want the map editted, do it yourself.
I would say having maxim guns at the start of the napoleonic era is beyond your means Terror. And probably that other thing too.


Anyways thats my two cents.

I happen to have pretty good rockets, most advanced gunpowder weapon in my arsenal. Toops experianced the full fury of their power when he tried attacking the Great Wall, didn't-cha Toops? :D

Don't forget people, that I have my Imperial School. All the greatest minds in my Empire are centered at it, its where the advances in all fields of science, medicine, astrology, warfare, etc are being made. Heck, I think I'm the first one here to use the telescope (I invented that, HA! Just like I invented the internet...) and I have the best astrologers in the world, not to mention map-makers for charting the oceans.

I could imagine that many of Terror's ship captains have Han-made maps, from when we were trading more and had no...discontent between us.

I happen to have pretty good rockets, most advanced gunpowder weapon in my arsenal. Toops experianced the full fury of their power when he tried attacking the Great Wall, didn't-cha Toops? :D

Don't forget people, that I have my Imperial School. All the greatest minds in my Empire are centered at it, its where the advances in all fields of science, medicine, astrology, warfare, etc are being made. Heck, I think I'm the first one here to use the telescope (I invented that, HA! Just like I invented the internet...) and I have the best astrologers in the world, not to mention map-makers for charting the oceans.

I could imagine that many of Terror's ship captains have Han-made maps, from when we were trading more and had no...discontent between us.


i susspect it's entirely likely i may soon surpass you when it comes to maps, between the guild and the Aphrodit Raven's voyage. ahh.. that would explane the telescope in Pharhaven then :D

the school, in a way, works both ways. while it would accellerate itterative advancement, it would, in a way, limit the revolutionary leaps of genious that propel technology forward. [incidently, IRL we need another one of those leaps sometime soon] beurocracy sucks like that. on the other hand, if something Does get through, it will indeed be perfected and distributed rapidly from such an institution.

i'm curious as to how your guys solved the inherant problem of rockets at this techlevel: they're TOTALY uncontrolable after launch. i play a set of wargameing rules that show this well.

on 2d6 [a pair of six sided dice]:

2, the rocket loops around and comes back, hitting the ammo dump and destroying the rocket battery.

3-4, hits the nearest frendly unit

5-9, flys off into the distance, never to be seen again.

10-11, near miss, no dammage, but massive moral penaltys [can't remember how it's worded]

12, causes unexpected devistation [or whatever that rules set's equivilant is] to the target enemy unit]

so, yeah.. how'd you get around that?

that was british rockets in the napolionic era, mind.

Ever seen the disney movie Mulan? My rockets are like the ones they used in that. My rockets fire like they do because of the way in which my alchemists pack the powder into the firing tubes. Its made into a cone shape within the tube, to maximize the wild force of the gunpowder and centralizing it on a single direction: forward. The rocket, I would say, has a range of about 300 yards, but is only completely accurate up to 100; with no wind.

The chinese learned how to control gunpowder centuries before it even reached the middle east, and then onto Europe. Thats why you see such awsome fireworks in China, they 'make' or 'compact' the gunpowder in a certain manner.

ehh.. i'll take your word for it.

the british rockets were actually exactly the same as the chinese/indian ones of the time, that's where they got them. at least if i remember rightly.

how would those stack up against hawk troops, do you think?

and what's the range on a balista, anyway? i have no idea how high my hawk troops start. :confused: i'm guessing it's about half the horisontal range of a balista fireing standard .. balista amunition.

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and for all that, it was the europeans who invented cannons and muskets and most aplications there after. then again, the cannon was as a responce to european seige warfare, something that never really became anything like as complex in asia. and the musket was a miniturised cannon.

Hey the guy who invented the internet, or maybe the world Wide web if there is a difference, went to my school!

Im gonna ask for outside help on the map. Guys post your request on:
Frozopia on their knee's (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10744173#post10744173)

Signiture test! [i just created one for myself]

anyone who guesses correctly as to what it means befor i get board gets .. oh, i don't know... *thinks* the use of an Angerman battle group, including hawks, ICly, errr... after the compleation of any hostilitys with them on the other side, obviously, and the troops would have to get there.. but you get the idea.

to the victor goes the spoiles.

oy.. three revisions later and i finaly get the syntax right.

not board yet, you still got time.

edit:
CRAP! i still have the last word wrong. *le sigh* fixing it now.

edit, again:

right.. i think i got it [finaly... hopefully... ]

surely someone wants to take a crack? or did you all go to bed or work or whatever already? come on.. the worst you can do is get it worng :D

Rockets aren't massively useful in this time period; however, those who have put in more work on them, will have better rockets...
My charts may well have begun as Hanese, but they've advanced quite a bit since. Especially with a lot more soundings in major shipping lanes, extending the charts to newly discovered lands....and contour lines :D
I agree with Angerman on the Imperial School. It will help massively with steady improvements, but a leap like the hawks simply wouldn't occur without a major battle. I, on the other hand, largely let the market fuel progress, with some government funded work, largely on ships and cannon :D

Ahhh hearing about all the Asian nations running around with their rockets and super ships makes me jealous. Antanjyl is on the other side of the world, safe from any incursions, using slaves to power everything, including our stomachs on occasion. At some point I'll have to look into those sciences, instead of taking designs from our allies. Though then again, for this time period, nothing beats slave power in effectiveness, if you forget about the though of rebellion.

Yes Ostia is also involved in the slave trade, Galleys..theater..farms are all run by slaves aswell. Without them the empire would not be the same at all, but times do change after awhile and great minds start to develop many things that will change the world as they know it.

Antajnyl's going to become my biggest customer, especially once I spread further and further into Asia.

Hm I wish we had more people. I still feel the maps underpopulated.

It is. Maybe we should do what we've been threatening for a while, and start a new OOC/planning thread, so people aren't put off by the umpteen hundred pages.

Yep. So can someone send me the newest map in .png format so I can easily edit it for everyone? @_@ Then just name off the color and where everyone wants to be.

I have control of all Italy and my borders stretch farther into france than they did at first, also egypt has been turned into an Ostian province,

My color is yellow


Frozopia is right, we need more nations.......

Put it in the Map makers required thread Really Drunk.

Rats....i posted it here by accident..

Antanjyl whats your email address?

Antanjyl, your expansion takes you to the normandy coast correct? further inland where you did not plan to expand i have troops, just letting you know for future referance..

And Ostia remains friendly...

Once we have the map completely upto date, then Im going to start the new OOC thread.

MoogleBoss@yahoo.com

Sent. Make sure you check your junk mail if it aint there.

Yargh. That map was originally a jpeg, so I can't just use paint to fill in the blanks. We should probably just get someone else to do it using the original map in png format. Any that was originally a .jpeg is useless, since editing it all would take too long. : P

Bah. Ah well. How far off was I in the slave gold thing? I think I was too high, just wanna know by how much.

hummm. a new ooc thread might be a good idea. however meny hundered pages isn't too thretening...

the thousand and some posts might be though.

and the fact that, even knowing what's going on, when i look back the the first few pages, i am confused. *laughs*

Aust's turn in "Time" when he comes back. actually, it was befor he left *laughs*

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ok, i'm board. no hawks for the people.

Yargh. That map was originally a jpeg, so I can't just use paint to fill in the blanks. We should probably just get someone else to do it using the original map in png format. Any that was originally a .jpeg is useless, since editing it all would take too long. : P


What do you mean?...I used paint when I altered it way back when. Just right click the image, copy it into paint. So simple it seems stupid, no need to try altering the original programming, that just gets you caught up in techno-wank crap.

What do you mean?...I used paint when I altered it way back when. Just right click the image, copy it into paint. So simple it seems stupid, no need to try altering the original programming, that just gets you caught up in techno-wank crap.


"... the Russians had been useing a pencil"

actually they didn't, see a normal pen would have worked just fine anyway, that story is just a myth.

A fountain or other pen like that wont work becuase they rely on Gravity to bring the ink to the nib, that doesnt happen in Space because thier is no resultant force due to gravity.

actually they didn't, see a normal pen would have worked just fine anyway, that story is just a myth.


even so, it's well knowen and the point holds.

and it depends: a fountain pen wouldn't have. a ball point... proiblby would, true. then again, they stop working for the strangest reasons even in normal use.

I'm sure I heard somwhere that a Biro would work fine in Space but the Russians didn't use pencils, the shavings and broken nibs would result in catastrophe.

Thats why the americans spent thirty million dollars developing the biro

I'm sure I heard somwhere that a Biro would work fine in Space but the Russians didn't use pencils, the shavings and broken nibs would result in catastrophe.


you know, if it was one of the softer types, sharpening it owuld be a non issue, as would broken ends...

anyway, this is WAY off topic, even givein the broad thread topic :P

jolt hates me today.

incidently, with a pencil... have you never seen one of the sharpeners with a kind of .. case.. that stores the shaveings? very conveniant, even in a gravity well. would be nessisary in space.

when did Aust and Killani say they were comeing back? anyone remember?

I don't know if we should be getting all these advanced weapons... it strikes me that if you want stuff from Napoleonic times, we should fast forward a couple hundred years instead of GMing to have them now.

By the way, I've expanded into the rest of the Carribean, like Wintree's old places and the untaken areas.

most of htose advanced wepons were ideas of what to get in the napolionic times. after we get done with the present era and all. filling in time untill our main pro/antagonists return.

...now jolt has stoped sending me e-mail to say that the threads have updates... grr. at least they still appear on my subscription list.

I wont be posting for a while, a few days, maybe more.
I've got alot on my mind right now(actually just one thing but its damn important) and I dont feel too well either

fair enough. hope things go well, whatever they may be.

ugh.. anyone who's still around and doing want to fill in some events that can have been happening while the war was going on?

everything i'm involved in, near enough, has stalled.

mabey those incognetians merchants who are learning the language?


or... i dunno... something ... *shrugs* i'm impatiant when i've got nothing to do.


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humm... perhaps i could start up a shop and sell all my interesting weponary and technology... at an exhourberant price, mostly in iorn, of course.

but.. then everyone else would have it too. and i'd lose my edge.....

not such a good idea. oh well, back ot the drawing board.

BTW Thrashia the problem with editting your map after you changed it is not that we cant open it, its editting it, too few pixels in the one you used (or something like that) and it makes editting it via paint so long..........

But Im trying anyways.

Gods that was painful. I gave up after awhile, although I added names for Toops and Syria, as well giving Ostia Eygpt and more of Gaul. After that I gave up......

i'm curious, but would it be any easyer to make the map if you got a blank one and started over? you know, colour all the land one colour and all the sea another, then go from there? the fill tool would [proibibly] even work.

then, while it would give you jaggidy stragith line boarders, you could just use paint's line and fill tools to make it up. i think.

That'd probably work. Does anyone have the blank one? I have a few of the earlier ones.

And does anyone know how much the average human male slave would cost in gold?

That'd probably work. Does anyone have the blank one? I have a few of the earlier ones.

And does anyone know how much the average human male slave would cost in gold?

umm, actually, the general practice with slave tradeing was auction, so far as i can tell, when the slaves were captured warriors or a conquered race, or if they had been slaves for a while, their price was arived at based on a combination of their worth to their current owner, their worth to the potentual buyer, and haggleing.

so... in absolute gold terms? haven't a clue. and there's no such thing as an average human.

and intelligent but obediant slave would probibly fetch more than the best warhorses. a rebelious slave would be worth little, while a stupid one would be worth not a lot more.

hope that helps.

edit: the fill tool is a wonderfull thing. you may well be able to MAKE a blank one from one of the earlyer ones.

Hey Antanjyl Im certain I ripped you off, so Im willing to edit those prices.

Hmm... Well my government shall be buying those slaves. Seeing as most won't be seeing the auction, I'll just say a percentage of their worth. If they're disobediant we'll just whip it out of them. They're only orcs and goblins after all, not like I'll keep them out of the mines where they'll spend the rest of their lives.

You do know that we'll need some females for breeding stock right?

I'll round off how much. About 90 gold bars for the entire group you've just sent will probably be adequate.

kk. The group has females btw. We didnt take warriors only, we took everything except children. These we just killed.

kk. The group has females btw. We didnt take warriors only, we took everything except children. These we just killed.


oy... my people can be harsh in the name of practicality and effectivness, but.. that's just evil! *laughs*

[evidance of my guys being "harsh" check what happend to the navigator in the exploration thread. it would have been worse, but terror umm... talked me down.. that is to say, talked the navigator up. the original plan was only one foot of clearance.]

hey, terror, how go the battle maps?

Battle maps; I'm done on Aust, looking at one for Spizania even though war hasn't yet begun there, need more info on Kirisubo.
Problem? I'm on the wrong damn computer.

And, uh...the technical stuff, of GMing high-tech weapons? That was all for as and when we go napoleonic, assuming we skip there rather than working our way up to it gradually.

Finally, I'd do stuff with those merchants, but I can't guarantee access to t'Internet until Wednesday evening.

heh. i can't wait to get a look at hte maps.. well, obviously i can, and have to, but you know what i mean.


sometimes i suspect i'm the only one who doesn't have a life :p you lot all get busy and do stuff.

as for the merchants.. fair enough. i was just looking for filler material, really. keep the thing from stalling compleatly and so on.

I can't wait to see them! :),i still have some rp's on the go..once i invade africa with terror it will give us somthing to do untill everyone is back...

Reallydrunk']I can't wait to see them! :),i still have some rp's on the go..once i invade africa with terror it will give us somthing to do untill everyone is back...


meh... wouldn't help me much... unless he "borrows" More of my guys.. which involves me creating more charicters...

bah... i REALLY need to retreave Mahkath and Deehow from Aust...

sort of ment to be the best Komander-Jeneral/Stratkom team in my entire principality... and they're stuck in Aust's capital with only 60 men, half of whome are sailors, and no idea there's a war going on.


to be honest, so far as they're concerned, it's NOT. . . . . they've only been there a day or two and they got their weeks befor the first incognetian expidition got ot Angermanland...


hummm... ok, new plan: somewhere along the way Aust and i will exchange the information that's ment to be in that thread OOCly.

meanwhile: TELEPORT!

i'll just.. claime they came home somewhere along the way, or... something... discovered there was a war, and scraped all the deals they set up.

of course, then i've got to get the stuff with Caladonn in My thread out the way befor the incognetian messanger actually turns up... but i can still justify training more troops as "reinforcements"


infact, i'll start doing that now. based on the fact that Mahkath and Deehow wouldn't have died and left befor the war started [so far as Angermanland was concerned, at least] they're now in Kant setting up some re-enforcements for the AAAA [Angermanland Aust Attack Army] which will be diverted to kilani when the messanger arives.

unless anyone has objections, and voices them befor anyone responds to the post i'm about to set up about that.

Might aswell go ahead...

ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!!

:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5:


i spent.. most of the interveaning time since my last post in this thread typing up the set up for that.... got done at 4am, local time...

move my mouse over the "submit" button, hadn't clicked it yet...

and a random power fluctuation or something rebooted the computer.

all that work.. gone... :( :headbang:

though, i'll admit, it wasn't some of my best. :p but hey.. 4 in the morning, man.

and apparantly it didn't like nine gunmen ....

That's horrible...i would be bitter although it's done it to me before..

Ouch... that's seriously bad, man. I feel for you.

Yes, I thought most of those weapons were in the future. We should wait till it was invented IRL before using it though.

It will be interesting when i have ships that are capible to travel across oceans....i can't wait to explore more territory..

I think when we move into the Napoleonic era we should add some NPC nations to the map, just to give us some assurance that there is somthing going on, I mean even for a medieval world we are a bit thin.

I guess we could all take a puppet, but never have your puppet or your nation allied together.

Ouch... that's seriously bad, man. I feel for you.

Yes, I thought most of those weapons were in the future. We should wait till it was invented IRL before using it though.


you do realise that menas half my stuff would NEVER be able to be used....

and Terror loses most of his advantages

and all our ships in the pacifc are kind of illegal due to being too advanced..

amoung other issues.

the trick though, is finding the balance. go too far one way, you're GMing... go too far the other way, and you're locked into following almost exactly OTL history/devlopment, which is , to be honest, just as unrealistic.

on a different note: NPC nations sound good. puppets, not so good.

we could, however, make up an "NPC nations" thread, build up the equivilant of our nations referance page for each of them in that thread, and then when someone wants to interact with them, you just gotta grab another player to control them for the duration.

also meens any new players can just jump in and nick off with an NPC nation to get started, and any nation "abandoned" by it's players can become an NPC nation.

is it not nifty?

Caladonn, do you have any idea how awkward this: "The Caladonnians were very confused, but just smiled and nodded." actually is to reply to?

you guys have all seen how long and detailed my posts can get, right?

when i stop its' because either i'm out of ideas and need the other person to do something for me to key off, or the chain of events requires some action from them.

all to often you guys give me something like caladonn's responce up there. i really must ask.. what can i do with that? it's like... *shrugs* i dunno what it's like, but it's a pain and really awkward to work with.

can we please try and avoid IC posts of that sort in future?

thanks
:cool:

you do realise that menas half my stuff would NEVER be able to be used....

and Terror loses most of his advantages

and all our ships in the pacifc are kind of illegal due to being too advanced..

amoung other issues.

the trick though, is finding the balance. go too far one way, you're GMing... go too far the other way, and you're locked into following almost exactly OTL history/devlopment, which is , to be honest, just as unrealistic.

on a different note: NPC nations sound good. puppets, not so good.

we could, however, make up an "NPC nations" thread, build up the equivilant of our nations referance page for each of them in that thread, and then when someone wants to interact with them, you just gotta grab another player to control them for the duration.

also meens any new players can just jump in and nick off with an NPC nation to get started, and any nation "abandoned" by it's players can become an NPC nation.

is it not nifty?

Sounds good.

see? this is what happens when your players have a life...



nothing...



*laughs*

hey guys, I've already notified all the other RP's i'm in that I'm leaving the NS world from the 18th of April til whenever I feel like I can return, possibly 4-6 weeks time, I'll see all you guys then.

ARGH! say it an't so!

oh well, at least it doesn't directly impact on the stuff i'm involved in *le sigh*

so, here's a question, who still IS here?

I am :D (meaning you can't suddenly start invading China :))

I am :D (meaning you can't suddenly start invading China :))


ok, india it is then ;)

... conveniantly, you're one of the people i can interact with.... once terror gets back :headbang:

Im still here. Kinda.

I'm around for the next five minutes or so, and then from Wednesday :D

I say India, Angerman. Easier than China, in that he's only ruled it for a short while, so there will be power structures and popular sentiments well outside his control.

I like an NPC nation thread. Since you're so bored, go make one...:p
I'll add to it.

And I think on technology we can go beyond RL, because in real life there are Dark Ages, and collapses of government, and losses of focus on the essentials.
We can't plausibly avoid all of those, but we can avoid some of them by making the right decisions for our nations. For example my naval structure, not defined in detail yet (I'm doing some background reading) will take into account many of the problems of 17th-18th century European navies, both technologically and administratively. There's no way, having read about it, that I can honestly avoid that. So...I think we can manage about 50 years progress to every 40 RL years, for those nations with the economy and political will to achieve that.

So...I think we can manage about 50 years progress to every 40 RL years, for those nations with the economy and political will to achieve that.

You mean days right?

Sorry. Total mixup there.
I mean 50 years progress in RP to 40 years progress in real history.
I wasn't meaning to set a limit to how many RL days corresponded to an RP year; I think fluid time is quite good, though it has an occasional annoying moment.

i'm thinking that there would be Kirisuban ambassadors at the Ostian and Frozopian courts.

they would have left long before the invasion of Kirisubo started and the standard party would be an Ambassador, an interepreter/secretary and a squad of 10 samurai guards

I'm around for the next five minutes or so, and then from Wednesday :D

I like an NPC nation thread. Since you're so bored, go make one...:p
I'll add to it.



i lack the rellivant imagining. at least for the moment. then again, i have only hd 5 hours sleep... ehh... whatever. mabey. or someone else could do it and i'll add to it.. whichever happens first.

Just passing by to check how things are going here, Because Its not going very well for me IRL.

Seems alot of people are dissapearing or becoming (temporarely) inactive

yeah.. almost maddeningly so... :(

I will be a bit more active in the coming days. I have a break from school! Yay! *throws confetti*

So cheer up. And just so you all remember, I still have around 250 to 300 thousand troops stationed in India. So it's not going to be some kind of cake walk.

I will be a bit more active in the coming days. I have a break from school! Yay! *throws confetti*

So cheer up. And just so you all remember, I still have around 250 to 300 thousand troops stationed in India. So it's not going to be some kind of cake walk.


hehe.. there were no actual serious plans to invade you at all untill after the Aust and Krisubo issues are resolved.. at least, not so far. that i know of.. hehe.

o..k... it's really Really awkward for me to do that bit wich results in my guys getting home from Aust [Mahkath and Deehow, that is] .. i just can't make it sit right, as it doesn't flow with everything else..... wait... i know...

hehe.. let the multi-thread posting of doom commence!

hehe.. let the multi-thread posting of doom commence!

"get your helmet on boy."

"b-but sir, why?"

"Just do it! Believe me, the shit is going to hit the fan now."

"get your helmet on boy."

"b-but sir, why?"

"Just do it! Believe me, the shit is going to hit the fan now."


heheheheeh... not really. i just kinda killed the "time" thread even more dead, that's all. it was really for my own bennifit so i could actually get my head around their arival without it totaly disrupting...err... Everything.

now i just gotta line it up with Caladonn's ambasidors arival.

WHOOHOO!!! finaly, my best Jeneral, as well as Pi's teacher, are back in Angermanland.. and leading an army of just over 7000 men that will soon become the Kirisubo Defence Army.

so, i found a way to get them home, drag terror's merchants out of the pit of infinite learning and falling that is Southport [yeup, those are the guys who will be temporarly conscripted for instruction on the use of the crossbow.. hehe.. ]
started raising the army... with some interesting surprises...

so, now i just need to finish up with caladonn, then Terror's messanger can turn up.. and we're off to Kirisubo! WHOOHAA!

edit: and the kid may well be greatful for his helmit when they get there... mwahahahahahaha! new seige weapons!... [some that are freaky weird and of dubious use, and some that are only new to my guys]

of course, now i'm left waiting for terror again... oh well. it's useually at least slightly worth it. ... and caladonn... and kilani.. gah....

terror, when you get back? drag your merchant's butts north away to Kant. there's an army wanting their services in the training of it's men in how to use a crossbow. or at least in telling them who htey need to get hold of to od it.

Hello people

I have returned from the weekend, im gonna catch up...

Okydoke, will pull them out when I get a moment. They'll probably be able to help.

Done. Tadjik, I seem to remember that I had some diplomats going your way? Is it about time they came into contact with your Emperor?

.. that was both informative and wonderfuly unhelpful, Terror :p you could have at least got them to the camp :p


oh well. give me a little time to wake up... and hopefully i won't have been kicked off by then, and i'll type up the next segment.

kant is a large region, you see. it's where most of the grain gets growen.

Ok, I was in a rush. And I said that they were in the city (I'm assuming it is also a major city, as well as a region) and looking conspicuous.
If it really matters then I'll have them search out your guys on a pretext tomorrow, but for now I was going to leave it.

Lets just screw the trade meetings and go to war with me hows it sound?

Ok with me, just attack my ship and consider it done.

Contrary to popular belief I have decided to stay, there was very little to occupy myself and distract myself from the NS cravings.

hehe.. like they say "you check in, but you don't check out"... or something.. heh.

hey, terror.. that map looks pretty shiney...

though i was sort of expecting one of the actual battle field?

oh well. it's still shiney

Meh, I can zoom in on the actual battlefield and make it even more shiny.

Gotta love Google Earth. The only downside is when we fight in places we've totally made up, or radically altered.

Expect an update soonish :D

heh.. i've been trying to keep the stuff in NZ relitivly true to real world geography.

Shepford is where Oxford is on a map of the real NZ
Deepharour replaces Littleton
Sothsea replaces Invicargil
Alpini replaces the town of Authers Pass
Angerwraith replaces Auckland

Kant is.. mostly canterbury [sp]
sutlan [or whatever i called it] is mostly southland.
and the western one is mostly ... [imaginativly] westland.

it carrys on like that.

Email me it TerroR!

Right, I'm bac, what did I miss?

WHOOOHAAA!!!

not a lot, actualy, Aust. i pulled a magic trick to get my guys out of your capital [check the time thread] as i needed them.. and a few posts were made in the war thread. read them, and you're probibly pretty much up on most things that involve you taht i know of.

have we decided what date we're gonna mave forwards to Napoleonic Tech, or is that still just the fevered rantings of a madman, or have we abandoned that scheme, or are we just gunna keep developing tech until we eventually arrive at NT, or am I feverishly ranting like a madman?

have we decided what date we're gonna mave forwards to Napoleonic Tech, or is that still just the fevered rantings of a madman, or have we abandoned that scheme, or are we just gunna keep developing tech until we eventually arrive at NT, or am I feverishly ranting like a madman?


we didn't decide on anything. just tossed ideas around.. the conclusion, such as it was, was that we weren't going in with OnN as big as he is, or untill all the current major conflicts were resloved.

edit: that's big in relitive military terms, at least, not land area specificly, as most of us plan to get kinda imprialistic around then.

Napolianic Tech WTF?

well, it was discovered that a lot of our more ambitious plans called for a rather large jump in tech level.

it was just batted around as an idea, and as i said, the current major events would be finnished off first. look back a few pages.. i think we filled 3 just with speculateing about it.. as much to pass the time as anything.

Frozo, and Ostia, I believe I've now put your addresses in right :(
I meant to send it to you with everyone else, but... problem with rushing stuff, I guess.
I'm now thinking of an actual battlefield map :D but that'll have to wait until I have too much time on my hands again ...
Still need info from Oda/Thrashia on the Kirisubo war, to do that map.

And...if Aust is back can we get the siege and the naval battle going again? Pleeease?

Time to rock, that trader is going down

Nice 1 Terror.

Spizania, seen and responded. You got a war on your hands now - nothing to rile my people up more than destroying a trading ship.

Frozo, and Ostia, I believe I've now put your addresses in right :(
I meant to send it to you with everyone else, but... problem with rushing stuff, I guess.
I'm now thinking of an actual battlefield map :D but that'll have to wait until I have too much time on my hands again ...
Still need info from Oda/Thrashia on the Kirisubo war, to do that map.

And...if Aust is back can we get the siege and the naval battle going again? Pleeease?


You mean the current dispositions of my forces right? It that is so, I will 'enlighten' you.
==================

Force A, of 35,000 men, are on the outskirts of Kyoto.

Force B, of 45,000 men, is marching on the road and less than 20 miles from Osaka castle.

Force C, of 50,000 men, is marching north-west, between the ocean and the big lake.

Force D, of 3,000 men, are harrying and attacking large parties of men and merchants along the road between Osaka and Kyoto.

Force E, of 217,000 men, are forming a fortress-line of defenses and occupying the territory taken up from Force A's advance.

In all: 350,000 men invasion force. Supply lines guarded by 100 Emperor-class ships of the Imperial navy. Supply Base: South Korean area, 20,000 men stationed there from occupation military authorities.

OOC: Right, should post on da conquest thread 2moz, I'm too tired+Hundover to post today-I havn't slept for 40 hours and in half of that I was pissed.

Ok. I'll bully some troop info out of Kiri, then should have that map ready.

OK

Finally back from vacationing in Philly. Good times were had by all, including me.

Now, can someone throw me a link to the Aust conquest thread so I can finally land my troops?

Ummm, I've sort of said they're close, without actually landing them yet. Linkage is Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467366&page=29)

Probably best if you skip up to where you land.

Thanks. I'll get right on it.

Ahh, Kilani. you have returned. good, good.

now, if i could get some information so i can get my exploration thread moveing again?

i have a ship comeing towards you from Incognitia. i need to know what it's going to come accross, with reguards to things visable from the coast, landing points, anything i'm going to have to deal with befor meeting your guys, anything it would be easyer if i knew about befor hand, that kind of stuff.

edit: terror, i think my thread is waiting on you again. i'm not sure at what point your messege about kirisubo will turn up, but it'll be with in a "month" of where they're at now.

and i'm still waiting for caladonn to ... elaborate.. on his previous post.. i think *goes and looks* yeup. still waiting.

if you don't say anything in the next..ehhh.. 12 hours, perhaps? i may well just force it past there, but it'll be awkward.

heh.. i just looked at the kirisubo map [and good job, btw, terror] and i am thinking....

once my troops get there, can we fight a battle at sekigahara somewhere along the line? that would rock.

a significant battle, mind. not just some random little skirmish. and i am aware that my entire army really only makes up one or two units on the battle field, given the scale of the conflicts....

though disturbingly, i'll be sending in more troops than terrror currently has there.

and the Snow Tallions will like japan much better than australia, i think. the terrain and weather and all.

Ok guys sorry, been busy at work...i will catch up

You mean the current dispositions of my forces right? It that is so, I will 'enlighten' you.
==================

Force A, of 35,000 men, are on the outskirts of Kyoto.

Force B, of 45,000 men, is marching on the road and less than 20 miles from Osaka castle.

Force C, of 50,000 men, is marching north-west, between the ocean and the big lake.

Force D, of 3,000 men, are harrying and attacking large parties of men and merchants along the road between Osaka and Kyoto.

Force E, of 217,000 men, are forming a fortress-line of defenses and occupying the territory taken up from Force A's advance.

In all: 350,000 men invasion force. Supply lines guarded by 100 Emperor-class ships of the Imperial navy. Supply Base: South Korean area, 20,000 men stationed there from occupation military authorities.Reminds me of the Mongol invasions of Japan in some things like the amout of soldiers you are sending.

Eh, I'll repost the arrival of the messenger. Hope that helps (don't fully understand what you're on about).

And don't worry, before your troops arrive I'll have another 30,000 in place :D

Your inbox was too full for the second map showing that. Remind me to send it again some time.

Eh, I'll repost the arrival of the messenger. Hope that helps (don't fully understand what you're on about).

And don't worry, before your troops arrive I'll have another 30,000 in place :D

Your inbox was too full for the second map showing that. Remind me to send it again some time.


i had an emisary from caladonn i was dealing with..

bah, your messanger can just interupt them, problem solved.

and.. i get e-mail allerts for every thread update... or at least, every thread that is updated.. or something.. and that sorta filled it up.

if i'm online my inbox is probibly empty.

Done. Tadjik, I seem to remember that I had some diplomats going your way? Is it about time they came into contact with your Emperor?

Posted now.
Lord Drozhna is not the Emperor, but consider him an important person like a foreign affairs minister, he can sign treaties and enjoys the Emperors trust.

When I have time and noone is bothering me(or problems(one in particular) stop haunting me) I'll post again. Dont know when that'll be, maybe in the weekend.

Reminds me of the Mongol invasions of Japan in some things like the amout of soldiers you are sending.

I'm not one to do things half-assed, you know? hehehe. :D And it allows me to be flexible, in how I deal with multiple allied forces; since afterall, they can't hope to equal my full number of troops. so, keep them seperate, and keep them from uniting, and I will win for sure.

And as I said many many pages ago: there is a difference from invading and conquerering.

a few interesting facts:

one: i worked out how to kick my military into the napolionic era when and if we do that without compleatly screwing up who they are or messing with what resorces are available to them.

2: i [though not entirely by myself] worked out how to fit the afformentioned advanced army into a rules set for napolionic war games. except the hawks. the hawks were a pain in the butt. hehe. and even they were half fit in.

but yeah, i had great fun doing that.

weird And interesting fact: my battle groups [equivilant to battalions] are hugely oversized. by the standards of the day at least.

while plenty of Armys would be bigger, each unit within them would be smaller.

a napolionic russian line battalion was only half the size of one of my battle groups.

... to war game my current army, one would need to buy 7 boxes of infantry. and some artillary/seige gear. it's interesting.

heh.. i can't do it so well at this point, but by the time [when/if] we move onto the colonial/imperial/napolionic era, i may well be able to wargame some of the battles... and take notes on how it went.. give something slightly more realistic to work up the battle in the RP from...

or that might compleatly remove all point, and thus not be any good. i don't know. and it was just a thought at this point.

I'm not one to do things half-assed, you know? hehehe. :D And it allows me to be flexible, in how I deal with multiple allied forces; since afterall, they can't hope to equal my full number of troops. so, keep them seperate, and keep them from uniting, and I will win for sure.

And as I said many many pages ago: there is a difference from invading and conquerering.


the fun thing about japan.. it doesn't have heaps of open planes. so, those large numbers wouldn't Always be an advantage. well, short term, at least.

Sekigahara!

i seriously want to fight a battle or three there dureing the course of this war. hehe.

Tadjik, that's cool. I posted. Respond when you get a chance. We're talking mid to long term stuff with you anyway, so there's no rush.

Angerman, seen what you've done, dealt with it. Threatening Carr if he doesn't help you is a bit low though. He's a proud man, you'll have put his back up a bit.

Thrashia, we'll see how long flexibility lasts when you lose your naval control of the West coast, and your vast army is 1) getting short on supplies and 2) being outmanouevred by allied forces. :D
In addition, keep in mind that our forces aren't mainly peasant spearmen - overwhelming quantity may have a quality all it's own, as NATO used to say, but quality shows in the end.
If you don't conquer, Kirisubo will be free, and will be protected from further invasion. In that I'll leave enough of a navy there, until they build their own, to wreak havoc with a future invasion force.
I'll be making every effort to ensure the alliance holds firm. We just need Kirisubo to keep fighting.

YOu going to attack the Caern Indien or the Caern Punica? Or the Caern Solar?

Indien is Madagascar, right? Solar = South Africa, and Punica is the North African one.
So, I'll probably assist Ostia in attacking Punica, possibly mount an independent assault on Indien (if I'm right about where it is).

Eventually we should push this to low FT, space battles wohooo

low?
Apart from the clue of space battles, what tech period is that?

that might be cool, but I have troubles when it comes to FT cos I can't come up with decent tech without having a limitation to the depths at which I am allowed for my imagination to travel, and soon everything becomes either a Superlaser or a Pea shooter.

Ok, I get ya now. I think we should stick with this for a while, then when everyone's fought each other once (if they want to, of course) go to Napoleonic - stay there a while as there's a LOT of colonisation, industrialisation, and resultant conflict/growth pangs/confrontation with modernity to be got over.

And Toops, that's cool. Just nick your ideas from anywhere. EXCEPT Star Trek and Star Wars. Everyone seems to do that, it gets repetitive.

Yeah I was thinking about using Wraith tech anyways as they seem sutably evil anyway.

Thrashia, we'll see how long flexibility lasts when you lose your naval control of the West coast, and your vast army is 1) getting short on supplies and 2) being outmanouevred by allied forces. :D
In addition, keep in mind that our forces aren't mainly peasant spearmen - overwhelming quantity may have a quality all it's own, as NATO used to say, but quality shows in the end.
If you don't conquer, Kirisubo will be free, and will be protected from further invasion. In that I'll leave enough of a navy there, until they build their own, to wreak havoc with a future invasion force.
I'll be making every effort to ensure the alliance holds firm. We just need Kirisubo to keep fighting.

Did I ever say my Imperial Army was a horde of bamboo wielding peasents? I think your under a small misconception there. The Imperial Army, the one I just sent against Kiri, is made up of hardened veterans from India and Korea. I even have a few longbow companies in the force that took part in the Great Wall defence against Toops.

By no means are they a bunch of peasents.

And, if you guys had seen my main thread 'Rise of the Han Empire' and watched it more closely; you'd have seen me getting ready for this for about...six to seven months RP time in advance. I've already conquered, literally, an entire province. My supplies will last until winter, and by then the newly conquered land will be producing rice and other needed things.

You have to remember, I'd been planning this for a long time. Oh, and as a side note, don't underestimate my naval forces.

I think I can RP again. Biggest problem is gone and I dont give a f*ck about the rest.

So Terror, we can have a long diplomatic meeting if you wish.

Napoleonic would be nice, maybe I'll fight a bit more then. What other techs should we get through? late 19th, WW1, WW2?

Tadjik, one at a time dude. Lol. But yeah, long diplomatic session is cool.

And Thrashia, I'm sure your army isn't entirely peasants with bamboo spears. But a lot of them will be - must be. Even with the population you possess, an army of 350,000 men, all in one place, will be largely peasants, with rudimentary equipment and not much better training. That or you'd have to cripple your economy to keep it going.
EDIT: considering the forces you evidently have in other places across your Empire.

The naval point, well, we shall see just how good your navy is. All in good time.

Fair point on the planning, but you will need external supplies, as I doubt all Kirisubo could support 350,000 extra men, especially in time of war.

Angerman, seen what you've done, dealt with it. Threatening Carr if he doesn't help you is a bit low though. He's a proud man, you'll have put his back up a bit.


well.... it's not really an official threat.. it's just Deehow messing with his head.

and you'll note Mahkath's elaboration on it? it's not That bad. hehe. but yeah, it is a little low.

seriously, though look at the rest of the offer? gold crosses are litteraly a cross [crusifix?] made of gold, about 5 inchesX 2 inch X 1/4inch

that's a lot of cash. i need to put some detail about the currencey in my first post in my thread [which is getting HUGE, btw.. hehe. the post that is.] as there are a whole bunch of lower denominations too.

what's rediculous, is that if you look at the various calculators for NS... it trys to tell me my gold crosses are worth only 1/3 of a US dollar, if i remember correctly. i would have had to instigate laws to prevent people takeing cash out of the country if that was the case, as it would be worth more for the mettal than it's currency value.


oh, reguarding the Han imperial army? it's possible for them to be hardend veterins, i guess. but they're hardened, veteren, RANDOM PEASENTS WITH SPEARS... hehe. meaning they're better than your average random-peasant-with-spear, but they're still [generaly speaking] not going to measure up to a fully trained, fully equiped regular infantry man.

and they're STILL going to Hate fighting my guys :D

somewhere along the way... Aust needs to actualy.. i don't know...

post in the thread where he is being invaded? yeash..

and yeah.. one thing at a time. we'll get done with this era's major wars and , redo the map, tidy up the set up for everything, and then skip forward to the napolionic. we'll see from there, i guess. i doubt we'll be getting to future tech though :p

i had more, and more useful, stuff to say, but it escapes me.

Wow...

Anyway, I will now retroactively tell you that I was in New York for several days. Then I will cower to attempt to avoid Angermanland's blows.

So, anyway, about that last post... well, I posted that around fifteen minutes before I left, so it was really bad. I'll try to elaborate on it.

However, Angermanland, do you have AIM? It might resolve our negotiations far faster than you waiting constantly for me to post :rolleyes: .

Anyway, Thrashia... you may have posted this somewhere before, but would you mind reiterating some information on your navy? I'd find it very useful.

Wow...

Anyway, I will now retroactively tell you that I was in New York for several days. Then I will cower to attempt to avoid Angermanland's blows.

However, Angermanland, do you have AIM? It might resolve our negotiations far faster than you waiting constantly for me to post :rolleyes: .



i sorta bypassed the need for you to respond ..hehe...

and so long as there are no conveniant prodding sticks around, you don't need to worry about being attacked :D

and.. no. i don't have aim. i did for a while. it annoyed me no end. though i might still have an account. i'll see if trillian can get at it or not.

i do, however, have MSN.

ok.. no AIM for me.

i needed a new account.. and you HAVE to put in a zip code for it to accept your new account.

NO ONE outside the US [north america? i don't know if canada has them] HAS ZIP CODES! ARGH! [that i'm aware of, at least.]

we have post codes, but that's a different system, and lots of places have nothing of the sort.

We need Aust to post. We also need Oda/Thrashia to post. Seeing as each of them is one side in a major war.

replyed, need some info about the other attacks(Other than Froztopias, I think I've cover his.)

Given you some about mine.
Is that post about his attack on the West or the East wall? Given that one is the vast numbers of men, siege engines, rams etc, the other is the small party sneaking to open a gate.

umm.. Aust.. did you take into account, at all, the effect of large shadows flying accross the sky, dropping things into your city while makeing an awful noise, and then leaveing again, with said things then either explodeing or emtiing toxic gasses? that would kinda screw moral.

not to mention, as there's no way all 300 of those men could actualy be IN the gatehouse [infact, i'd say most would either be on the wall or behind the gatehouse], then if that's the one being "infultrated", at least some of them are laying around in screaming heaps after the afformentioned shaddows dropped acid on them. and there are the howlers..

if we had a bit more information about your stratigist.. who's actually running the seige from your side... it might almost be beliveable that he saw the other atacks as "decoys" and pulled troops to cover other possibilitys, but that would weaken your defences there..

Given you some about mine.
Is that post about his attack on the West or the East wall? Given that one is the vast numbers of men, siege engines, rams etc, the other is the small party sneaking to open a gate.
That was the small party-he's attacking the western wall as well. Shit. I've got a LOT of posting to do.

umm.. Aust.. did you take into account, at all, the effect of large shadows flying accross the sky, dropping things into your city while makeing an awful noise, and then leaveing again, with said things then either explodeing or emtiing toxic gasses? that would kinda screw moral.

not to mention, as there's no way all 300 of those men could actualy be IN the gatehouse [infact, i'd say most would either be on the wall or behind the gatehouse], then if that's the one being "infultrated", at least some of them are laying around in screaming heaps after the afformentioned shaddows dropped acid on them. and there are the howlers..

if we had a bit more information about your stratigist.. who's actually running the seige from your side... it might almost be beliveable that he saw the other atacks as "decoys" and pulled troops to cover other possibilitys, but that would weaken your defences there..
I don't know where your coming from, I have no idea at all, so I'm keeping apritty even watch everywhere, concentrating on the towers and gatehouses. I'm not going to leave the gatehouses undefended.

Argh! I put that the wrong way round. The infiltrators are on the West side. The main excitement is (IIRC) on the east. There's an attack in the south that I posted about in the invasion thread.
And there's an attack in the north as well, I just forget exactly what.

Ok, South wall is my attack.
Middle gate, North Wall, is an Ostian escalade and ram attack.
The Eastern wall is therefore the main bombardment, large assault force, etc.
West is the infiltrators, otherwise nothing doing.

Just to say what happened to the gatehouse. The main gate and the front took most of the blast, it's blasted off most of the stonework on the front, as well as the gates, the first portcullis and the second (innder wall). This has fallen to produce a large pile of rubble at thhe base of where the gates once where. The second prtcullis, it's chains snapped by the blast has fallen and now blockes the gate. My defendrs have seen this and are now rushing back inside to man the murderholes, and to prepare my specal weapon.

Aust, I like how conveniently blowing up the gatehouse has, um, blocked the gateway again. Either it acted like a ram, only faster, in only taking out the gate itself; or the WHOLE gatehouse would have gone. Half the gatehouse, excepting the portcullis and murderholes, and the rubble landing in the way of the gate again, is highly unlikely.

I'll be updating the kiri invasion thread, on my movements.

yay! my troops are on their way now too :)

Aust, I like how conveniently blowing up the gatehouse has, um, blocked the gateway again. Either it acted like a ram, only faster, in only taking out the gate itself; or the WHOLE gatehouse would have gone. Half the gatehouse, excepting the portcullis and murderholes, and the rubble landing in the way of the gate again, is highly unlikely.
Not that unlikly. Where talking blackpowder which isn't the strongest explosive force in the world. Placed again a gate more of the energy wil be A) Forced into the gate (Blowing it off it's hidges) but much will be forced upwards, into the gatehouse. That would take out the font of it, but much of the palce will survive. When a bomb hits a house much of the hosue survives dosn't it. And the bombs stronger than blackpowder.

I was actually thinking it would probably blow the gates off their hinges but not do much more than that.

hey, Aust, can we get a responce on the sulpher gas that is now wafting around some of the southern parts of your city, and those houses i droped explosives on?

umm.. and the acid actually hitting the guys at the gate where it was droped?

ehh.... i need stuff to advance in such a way that my hawks can actually be getting back to the camp soon. get them set up for another run, possibly have my guys do something else as well. i have a whole kompany totaly uncommmitited to anything..

and that chant just keeps on going, over and over...
the only people not doing it are the infultrators. the guys with Terror are as well.

Give m,e time guys, comen. I think I've said about your hawks hitting some of my men with acid.

Give m,e time guys, comen. I think I've said about your hawks hitting some of my men with acid.

yes. yes you did. at a compleatly different gate from the one they bombed. that's what i was pointing out.

amoung meny, Meny other things.

If you don't have masses of time to post, easier for us if you ask where we are, what we're doing, what we mean, so that when you post in the thread it works first time.

Yeah, I could do with some clearing up here. I thought that that was the gate, didn't terror dsy sbout your troops being there? Anyway I know I'm not doing brilliantly, but I'm doing my best to keep up with about 5 or 6 attacks.

Fair enough, you're not doing too badly, just there are one or two issues. Angermanland has some infantry with my attack. His hawks attacked elsewhere, in the eastern part of the city I believe.

ok: clarification:

one of my kompanys is with terror assulting from the south.

the 2 hawks with acid bombs hit the west gate.

the rest of them [7 i think] carrying a mix of sulpher bombs and explosives, hit the mid/southern protion of the city.

the infultrators are headed for the west gate.


that clear it up a bit?

Thanks. I'm going out now, but I should be able to post about 19:00 today.

ok.. redirecting my exploration thread due to lack of responce.. who wants to be the next to have the Aphrodit Raven come calling?

caladonn, whenever your ready.. the negotiations in my thread are ready to go again.

Thanks, Angermanland. I'll try and get a post in today or tomorrow.

I may get MSN, but to tell the truth it's annoying to be logged in to two things at once.

Meh, get something that lets you log into several at once. They're annoying as well, but it's only one set of annoyance to deal with, if you get my drift.

may i suggest trillian?

if you don't mind mostly only haveing the base functions of each messanger, it's quite good.

though you do useually have to restart it rather than use it's reconnect button if you lose your connection.

heya guys,

Lets get thi ball rollin' on the aust thread :), also i can't wait to post on the Spizania....

hummm... i notice one of terror's ships got burnt... by pirates? why do i suspect they were not actual pirates.. [i only read the last post or two]

hehe.. if you wait a bit to retaliate...

you could have some Hellfires to help you out :D

of course... that's probibly a year of game time.. so perhaps you'd make do with some dominance class ships? they're allmost as good at inflicting burnyness upon T3h 3V1L [deliberate use of leet for emphasis and shear silly sounding goodness]

I'm calling them pirates, because ICly they unprovokedly attacked trading ships.
If you want to send dominance class ships, seeing the burning pirates burn would be great :D
My people would love ya for it. Really.

hoki fillet.

ask and ye shall receive, but.. it needs to be IC asking. and the ships have to actually get finished being built first.

Pyromania for all :D

Um, stone doesnt burn very well

Um, stone doesnt burn very well

doesn't float very well either :p

if you have ships, they're wood. so they'll burn.

and you forget: terror has proper cannons. so stone is hardly THAT big a worry.

Terror: more on "the origions of Angermanland's military thinking from and OOC perspective"

"Rommel - in frustration at his lack of effective manpower once said "Give me 1000 Maori bayonets and I'll take Cairo" - in deference to the ferocity of the New Zealand infantry fighting in North Africa."

heh.. i was looking for example of that battle i told you about.. i found this along the way :)

... about 1/3rd of my army is equivilant to those "maori bayonets", the major difference being that the taiahu is actually a more effective melee weapon.

I had some diplomats running around in some nations but those RPs have stopped. I think I should call them back(or consider them back)

and you forget: terror has proper cannons. so stone is hardly THAT big a worry.

Im talking about my forts, and his cannon wont do him any good when my men swim out too his ships and drive spikes into his cannon or pour water all over his powder

The whole point is that bombardment with cannon breaches and fells stone walls. That's what he meant by my having real cannon.
And I'll be interested to see how long swimmers last, trying to somehow make their way, dripping wet, tired, and almost totally unequipped, aboard a ship of the line, then fight their way through the crew, the marines and the gunners to the cannon and try driving nails into the touch-holes. Let alone getting into the armoury and wetting the powder.
Feel free to try though.

If I provoke a revolt in India, who RPs the rebellion? Me, Oda, both of us, or a neutral third party?
I mean once forces are established I would think each side RPs their troops and troops allied with them; but before that point, in establishing how many men rebel, in what areas, and what the quality of them is, who does that, as it will be crucial to the success or failure of the rebellion.

Hmmm... if it's a revolt purposely instigated by you, then I'd say you should RP it and have Thrashia do the defence.

EDIT: I'll think about getting some sort of other thing for IM... I'm a bit busy right now, but maybe this weekend.

The whole point is that bombardment with cannon breaches and fells stone walls. That's what he meant by my having real cannon.
And I'll be interested to see how long swimmers last, trying to somehow make their way, dripping wet, tired, and almost totally unequipped, aboard a ship of the line, then fight their way through the crew, the marines and the gunners to the cannon and try driving nails into the touch-holes. Let alone getting into the armoury and wetting the powder.
Feel free to try though.

the important part of this being the crew.. didn't each of your ships of the line have something in the order of 1000 men aboard them, Terror?

of course, my dominance class ships are more vulnerable to that tactic. then agian, they're not just armed with cannon, so it gets a bit more awkward to do. and a couple of hundered men are still kinda hard for anyone who's been swiming, then had to clime into the ship, to take down.

I'm happy with that, I'm just going to need to agree...well, a lot of stuff...with Thrashia before I can run the revolt to make it practicable.

And yeah, approaching 1,000 man crews :D

woot! we have breaches!

umm.. which walls/gates were those again?

i would expect Aust to start pulling troops from that west gate [i think it was west] eventually.. seeing as how the only thing to happen there is a run or two by the hawks.

meanwhile, my latest post amounted to the hawks are now flying constantly, they land, they get back to the launchers, and they take off again, over and over. i expect to take some casualtys by the end, but meh *shrugity* these things happen. in the meantime they're dropping nasty stuff on Aust's troops.

i asked where the breaches were so i could get an idea of where to send my troops.. the ones that arn't already attacking with Terror, that is. call it half a battle group plus reserves.

Ok no matter what Aust said, I have successfully captured the Eastern wall with a good 15000 men, being reinforced by more as I continue.

The Northern gates are cracking under prolonged pressure in the north.

And Terror should be sailing through the south, although I dont know how much success he is having.

My ships pulled off a ways long ago. I know too little about these iron gates to convincingly RP going through them, so I gave up in the end.

The men in the south...last we heard were just fighting by attrition in an escalade, but I think it'll be time pretty soon for them to mount a renewed offensive to get up and over.

The rest of my men are waiting in the east.

I agree that you'll have made it onto the wall in numbers by now, considering just how many you were attacking with.

OOC: I call GODMOD, first off you have no diea where my forces are concentrated-al I've said is that my elites-my 4,000 fully trained soildiers are based on the gates and towers, supported by a few auxillarys. When under attack they are supposed to hold out against the enermy until my renforcements arrive-and they'll arrive in number. So elts start again shall we, lets see-6 gates, 300 men guarding each gate? Unfeasable? I think not, thats just 1,800 of my men being occupied, and 300 is more than enough to hold up your forces I balive.

Then the towers, a garasson of 10-20 ,men per tower is appropriate I think, so thats maybe another 500 used up. The rest of my men are in other positiosn around the city.

Then my conscripts. It have about 40-50,000 of them (Every person over 14 is in the army, 70,000 in the city. Of course they could dodge being in but that would A) break there honour,
B) mean they get no food) Anyway, they are based at statigic points in blocks of 1,000 near each wall and gate. Shouled you attack they'll be there within 10 mins. of the alarm being raised.

ooc: Another problem, saying my murder holes where out of action. In a castle (An city gate you usually have 3-4 layers of gates. The main gate, the 1st portcullis, the 2nd poportcullis and the last gate. Now you may have destroyed the 1st line of muderholes, above the main gate, but I think the 2nd line would be unbtouched.


Aust, any claim of godmodeing comes back and hits you in the face, sorry.
totaly ignoreing the effects of most of the hawks ordinance/attacks, somehow, miraculously, while haveing acid etc droped on them your troops Arn't running away [i can understand this in some places if you have good officers/sergents, but a lot of the time They'll break too]

any "blocks" of troops outside in the open will be compleatly STUFFED by now. explosives and acid and gass will do that. that's befor we even take into account the moral effects.

the sudden appearance of extra troops at a gate where Nothing is happening while you're being attacked from every other direction is a major stretch at the very least. the porculus of a gate falling in such a way as to block it is signifiactly pushing it, your 4000 elite, actually trained, soldiers somehow allowing you to have Longbowmen on the wall on the far side of the city [those guys have to have a lot of training. if they're actually Longbows, then i'm sorry, that's not pesant malitia. crossbows/bows woulb be beliveable.] though i may be forgeting something reguarding that one.

the list goes on, you know? some of it make sound strategic and logical sence.. except that you don't have the relivant information ICly.. some of it is just silly. a lot more of the former than the latter. basicly, people got pissed off with every move being met by a counter move that either had very low probiblity of occuring [portculus blocks gateway] or required ooc information. combine that with numerical superiority and attack from 5 directions [all sides +air] it's safe to say you're going to fall to this attack.

seriously. my allies reactied more realisticly to the hawks than you, and it resulted in them very nearly getting into a fight with the guys who came to help them.

that's my big rant. please take it on board. i don't Think i missed anything.

OOC: Might be a bit late for this city, but for the next battle/siege can we please put together a map of troop placements, defences etc BEFORE we start? You can state that some things are known OOC - better that way than look like GMing. And you can move troops after you place them on the map (realistic distances). But it'll avoid this sort of problem.

EDIT: As in I send a map, with terrain features only, to the defender (almost certainly Aust), because the defender is most likely to pick their ground. He sends it back with his troops/city defences marked. I then send it round the attacking powers, and we put reasonable troop positionings on, as having deployed from column of march, from the direction we marched in from - as in encirclement has to be justified IC. And then I send the finished version to everyone, and we all have a baseline to work from.


best. idea. Ever. for this kind of stuff at least.

I like it too..

A few comments, though I haven't read the Aust invasion thread, I am pretty impartial...

Angermanland, it is reasonable for some of his militia to be longbowmen, as sometimes longbows are used in hunting that militia would do. However, large amounts doesn't seem so reasonable.

And Aust, it's pretty impossible for a portcullis to block a gateway. It either falls in or out. Most of them are designed to fall out, so they hit and crush the enemy, but a portcullis is essentially a large grid of iron or wooden bars, so once it falls it's not going to block anyone stepping over them.

Of course, if you have multiple portcullises/gates, then once the enemy get into the gateway you can bombard them from murder holes...

A few comments, though I haven't read the Aust invasion thread, I am pretty impartial...

Angermanland, it is reasonable for some of his militia to be longbowmen, as sometimes longbows are used in hunting that militia would do. However, large amounts doesn't seem so reasonable.

And Aust, it's pretty impossible for a portcullis to block a gateway. It either falls in or out. Most of them are designed to fall out, so they hit and crush the enemy, but a portcullis is essentially a large grid of iron or wooden bars, so once it falls it's not going to block anyone stepping over them.

Of course, if you have multiple portcullises/gates, then once the enemy get into the gateway you can bombard them from murder holes...


heh. yeah, some of them. it's far more likely that, for the number of bowmen he appears to have somehow got, they won't be LONGbows, though. i dunno.

it's more about the training than the equipment, you know? Longbows take years a physical training befor you can actually draw them. my guys now know how to make the things.. it's going to be a good 40 years or more Game time befor i can gather up a fighting force of them.

Aust: weren't your guys useing blow guns and stuff litteraly a few months befor this war? or was that a different group/player/whatever? i seem to remember it somewhere..

heh. yeah, some of them. it's far more likely that, for the number of bowmen he appears to have somehow got, they won't be LONGbows, though. i dunno.

it's more about the training than the equipment, you know? Longbows take years a physical training befor you can actually draw them. my guys now know how to make the things.. it's going to be a good 40 years or more Game time befor i can gather up a fighting force of them.

Aust: weren't your guys useing blow guns and stuff litteraly a few months befor this war? or was that a different group/player/whatever? i seem to remember it somewhere..
Actually, I wasn't really referring to the equipment, but the training. If you've hunted all your life with a longbow, you can easily change that skill to warfare.

I wonder how many hunted with the longbow? Seems like alot of effort when a normal bows pretty effective for hunting anyways.

I would think longbows would be rather common anyways, he knew were were comming therefore everyone that was able to use a longbow im sure would be equiped from military stock?

The odds are that the people who knew how to use them had one already.........

ehh, the longbows were/are one of the less significant issues.

Really Drunk.. based on the fact that i'm going to have to do silly things with the weather to get them anywhere, would you be williing to have my explorers turn up at your doorstep next? or, more accuratly, somewhere around egypt?

i would, of course, need information befor they arived, so as to shape the trip properly.

they won't be stopping in Han. they know it's there and it's hostile.

Aust: weren't your guys useing blow guns and stuff litteraly a few months befor this war? or was that a different group/player/whatever? i seem to remember it somewhere..
Diffrent area, northern Aust is jungle so the people lving there are goin to sues the natural resources. Southern Aust is plain so more conventional tactics are used.

And about 1/4 of my bows are actually longbows. Most are medium bows.

Me'sa away til Monday now. If any of the allies wants to use my 12 cannon and 2 howitzers I've dragged inside the walls against Aust's massed troops, feel free. If you'd rather just attack I'll catch up when I'm back.

And I do think that 1) We should give them the chance to surrender. Civilians go free, soldiers into captivity, but all guaranteed to live.
2) If we make an offer like that a lot of them will want to accept, seeing as they're staring death in the face right now, cos even if they hold for a bit, now we're inside the walls their situation is hopeless; the part of the city they hold is inadequate for them all to sleep in, let alone anything else, so even 24-48 hours and they'll be noticing the effects bigtime.

I say we have a victory here, wouldn't it make more sence to regroup then dish them out a final blow?. I am bringing archers into the city now, we could mass all of ours and give them death from above. General Regulus wants to crush their remaining forces, he don't want to have prisioners to tie up his men and give good to.

If we leave men to guard them it ties up valuble military streneth we could be using elsewhere.

True. But lets hear what anger and Kiri says: Hopefully the Austians wont want to surrender anyways.

given that all our efforts have inflicted "few" casualtys [does that sound right to ANYONE?] and that the somehow didn't break under the hawks attacks at all, only fell back from a loseing situation on the walls when ordered to do so.. etc etc...

surrender is unlikely. try it if you want, but i suspect it'll come down to one big slaughter.

When will you get down to attack Caern Punica? I want to pull out my variation of the Battle of Pellenor Fields

When will you get down to attack Caern Punica? I want to pull out my variation of the Battle of Pellenor Fields


pretty much when Terror gets back i think.

though seiges suck, so we'll probibly just set fire to everything, or some such.

Bah lets just butcher them senseless. Compensate for all those men we didnt kill on the wall. Hopefully they will refuse to surrender.

If they surrender i will send my cavelry charging into their soldiers ranks. Ostia did not come here to mess around with cowards who surrender, i say we run them into the ground.

Reallydrunk']If they surrender i will send my cavelry charging into their soldiers ranks. Ostia did not come here to mess around with cowards who surrender, i say we run them into the ground.

if i may suggest it, if they DO surrender... hehe.. i've been reading sun tzu..
if they surrender, each of their troops is worth 2 of your own, as you have not had to transport of feed them to get them their. each wagon of supplys is worth 20 of your own, because you have not had to feed those transporting it..

any intact balista would be good too.

get the idea? offer them surrender if they join your army. bolsters your forces, AND gives you one of the 5 typs of spies.

not to mention you could always use them as slaves later if you get that desperate.

heck, if you manage to convince them you're better for them than Aust is, you'll have less rebelions and things after we're done...

so perhaps whole sale slaughter is not the awnser? this is, after all, not a war of genocide, but of territory.

Ostian law is as follows....Any man from a conquerd nation or nation at war with Ostia is able to apply to join, he will be accepted as a low rank infantryman for 25 years and at that point he also gains citizenship to my nation. If he does not complete his dutys and decides to turn back over or desert, that member will be torn limb from limb.

How many Austians you think would take that up...maybe afew if im lucky, I will think about it..but it shall be known that is the rule.

Reallydrunk']Ostian law is as follows....Any man from a conquerd nation or nation at war with Ostia is able to apply to join, he will be accepted as a low rank infantryman for 25 years and at that point he also gains citizenship to my nation. If he does not complete his dutys and decides to turn back over or desert, that member will be torn limb from limb.

How many Austians you think would take that up...maybe afew if im lucky, I will think about it..but it shall be known that is the rule.


different nations, different laws. at the very least i'd suggest offering them the chance and the choice of who to surrender TOO.

heh.. our law governing surrender amounts to "accept it if such is at all practical, then do whatever works" hehehe

my logic on deserters [so long as they desert Between battles, rather than dureing them] is basicly to let them go. you're the better for the loss of weakness. Trators, on the other hand... yeah.. the die in much pain...

Yeah,

General Regulus is also unpredictable in a surrender situation, you have to remember his nick name if you knew it, "The Butcher" for a reason...

On a battlefield Regulus is a totaly different man who cares for nothing but his men, allies and victory, when the enemy is wiped out he is content..BUT that is where the counsiling of your leaders comes in lol...

Not all ostian officers are like that but you got some bad apples in the barrel.

truth, truth.

though it is unlikely anyone of such tempriment would rise so high in the ranks of my armys, given their fluid nature.

at least not under Chargone. perhaps under one of the more.. umm.. poor rulers..

and yay! for i shall get to make use of teh "war manuals" again :)

Regulus don't care what the emperor says ither, when it's time to suck up to him he manages to do so staying on his good side. Also he is married to the emperor's sister therefore they are related, Regulus changed over time..in the army too long and way to many experiances transformed him, people learned to tolerate him.

humm.

still, i could do with more troops, whatever happens.

heh.. you know, Sun Tzu lists 5 different types of fire attack? that's kinda cool. i think it was 5.

something to remember though "stratigy without tactics is the slowest rout to victory. tactics without stratagy are but the noises of defeat."

now, i'm seriously hopeing your over all stratigy is more developed than mine, or we're screwed :D

well, yours or terrors or frozopias or Someone's. other than Aust's.

I was thinking i would link Agrippa with my main force. It would also boost the morale if more soldiers arrived to assist then we could push forward with another 30,000 troops plus the ships they arrive on could be given other dutys that could help out our land forces..like transporting troops of all nations up and down the coast.

It is an option, i will commit my galleys to such an action by all means.

humm.. so you all hate my exploration thread that much? *laughs*

come on. they need somewhere to go. they've been on their way to kilani for ages, without any chance of getting there, it seems *sigh*

does ANYONE want them to visit their nation?

Reallydrunk']I was thinking i would link Agrippa with my main force. It would also boost the morale if more soldiers arrived to assist then we could push forward with another 30,000 troops plus the ships they arrive on could be given other dutys that could help out our land forces..like transporting troops of all nations up and down the coast.

It is an option, i will commit my galleys to such an action by all means.

it would help, but we Really don't want to get into a contested landing, you know? and Aust has those evil beacons...

transporting supplys and stuff would be good though... i dunno. i forget where i was going with this :S

Send them to egypt, General Titus is there currently preparing his army because he has received word of the destruction of an allied vessel. General Titus is 25,350 strong and will be reinforced if we decide to march from Egypt on towards our enemy.

Reallydrunk']Send them to egypt, General Titus is there currently preparing his army because he has received word of the destruction of an allied vessel. General Titus is 25,350 strong and will be reinforced if we decide to march from Egypt on towards our enemy.

fair enough. i might warn you though, the explorers are only one ship's worth. and it's not a war ship.

at any rate, can you give me information about what they'll run into on the way in? you know, general geography, anything interesting they'll see on the way in, that kind of stuff?

meanwhile, i'll be writeing a storm sequence :D