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Soldiers sat around smoking pipes enjoying the cool morning air. The air was damp and soggy feeling but it is better than snow or rain,

"Gaul weather...so unpredictable.." said Sulla

All the prisoners were put in 1 big grave and covered over...

hubbawha? ... you're drunk again, arn't you? :P

Dont discount Toops completely. Give him more time.
Milchama is yet to be active.

So now it's Aust Vs. the world is it. I'm dead really, corse it's going to be tough on your lot, I think the froztopians will find it perticually hard, with the HEAT and all. I have a lot of advantages really, but facin 5 nations is a bit hard on me. Everyones betrayed me, what did I do worng?

its not 5v1, its 3v1. The other two probably wont get involved. So relax.
And my troops will cope, they are tough and have some idea what to expect.

its not 5v1, its 3v1. The other two probably wont get involved. So relax.
And my troops will cope, they are tough and have some idea what to expect.
Meh, it's still not the 3vs3 that I expected.

And if you may know what to expect, but are you ready for it? The british knew what to expect with India and Africa and had trouble.

Obviously I will have troubles, but my troops are not completely snow bound. They raid overseas frequently, so they are used to a variety of climates, although probably none as extreme as Aust.

Aust, it's mostly not so much what you did, as the domino effect of Frozopia's actions, near as i can tell. though that random pirate may not have helped your cause any :P

Cool about the army sizes and such.

I'll give ya'll my stats soon enough. It's finals week next week, so I'm already feeling the pressure right now. Don't expect me to have the factbook up and running just yet.

My army - when you see it - will be b'fricken awesome. I even came up with my own little unique "unit." Think Medival Grenadeer, only without gunpowder.

But, more on that later.

-Eeofol

Aust mate, you didn't do anything, apart from sit in the wrong place. I admit your raider pissed me off, but I got over that before I switched over. If I'd been off to the West more, I wouldn't have been so bothered.

Heres a new thread I started: Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10554985#post10554985)

Kirisubo, you might want to take notice. Not that you can do much about it though.

I'd like to set up a meeting with Almohed, does he have a thread somewhere where it can be done.
Also, it seems my other meeting have ended, even the one with the Han soldiers.

Ooooo I hope your Emperor makes it alive Kiri.

Oda, theres always something you can do about assasins. they're called guards and fortifications. 100 of the son of heaven's guards are ninja assasins so be warned :p

i'll be away this weekend so i probally won't be able to reply much until sunday evening.

In the meantime my reply should cover things until then.

100 of the son of heaven's guards are ninja assasins so be warned.

I find this hard to believe since the Japanese despised ninja, the samurai more so. How could the most unhonorable dregs of society be allowed to guard the holiest person in the Empire? Maybe if their the best of your samurai, i can believe it, but not ninja. An assassin is an assassin. To use one as a guard is to waste that ones talent.

humm, perhaps they are only ninja equivilant?

and i don't know, keeping such people close at hand, especially if you do not relly too heavyly on any one clan, would seem the best way to keep them under control :D

Yes, but the problem with that solution is that no one knew who the ninja were. They were anonimous clans who would kill themselves rather than be captured. In japanese society, even if you somehow contacted them, they would not guard the EMPEROR; they'd be dragged off to the execution yards to be crucified.

Its just simply not done. It goes against an ingrained mindset of samurai. Not to mention that when the Shogun took power in Japan, the Emperor was barely a pauper and had no real formal body guard. It was just an INGRAINED mindset of the Japanese people that there was always an Emperor and that he was the Son of Heaven. His edicts, while lacking some power, could never be ignored.

So, no, I don't accept that you Kirisubo are able to have ninja as guards for the Emperor. Thats why I didn't just use Japanese assassins. No matter how much I would pay them, a japanese person would not attempt to kill the Emperor.

Hm Im not sure Kiriusubo is completely Japanese, maybe just Japanese based.
This gives him the flexibility to decide whatever he wants, whatever his soldiers ethics are.

But Im not sure.

I'm pulling out of this RP. Not anything against anyone really, it was fun rping with most of ya'll. But there is a lot of conflict about me in the Sahara, and I don't want to cause any more strife. For those of you who just simply had no clue why I was in the Sahara, I needed it for natural resources. It was rich, underpopulated, and unclaimed. Just wish some of ya'll would have seen it my way. Anyway, I'm going to do Modern Tech, the rules are a lot more strict, and it's kind of hard to be caught in a tangle like this in MT. (I hope). But anyway, have fun, I'm using Phil's blank map to start my new RP, hopefully some of ya'll who are rping MT right now (Spiz, Aust, etc), ya'll will take ya'lls spots on that map so we can have more interraction, and more war between other nations. It's alot easier to get from one place to another MT ROFL...but anyway yeah.

Back. Sorry for being gone for a bit. Did I miss much? O_o

well.. we appear to have lost our mappy person while i wasn't looking...

and the balance of power in the pacific shifted...

that's about it.

how far back did you miss from? *laughs*

these Rp's are quite the story...lots of talented ppl, i just wanted to say keep it up ppl...looks good

heh. i write much better in these than if i were to try and write a novel or something. i only have to deal with one side of most things :)

it occurs to me that i should have some posts about the stuff that goes on when no other nations are there.. but what's the point? *grins* no one's there to see it. not to mention my thread's kinda cluttered with diplomacy :)

diplomacy...might be an option...Aust is going to fall..

*grins* that depends. for example, terror has already showen a readyness to switch sides when it appears to be in their best interests.

such things do happen. then there is terrain and tactics/stratagy to take into account...

but, yeah, they're going to get maulled, no matter what happens.

ahahaha

I know what you mean Angermanland. No one seems to have noticed besides maybe Aust (who landed with a sailing ship) that I've gathered an army of 350,000 troops in Canton. *shrugs*.....

Aust has entered my territorial claim with a group of renegades in North America. This will probably end poorly, at best.

heh.. i really need to make a go of reading threads that Don't involve me at some point, huh?

Eh perhaps. He has some exiles. They're meeting with the monster known as General Gares to discuss things. It will probably end very poorly, seeing as he is completely loyal and subserviant to the God Emperor.

humm.. well, my bit with Terror is done untill he notifys me of ships ariving to take my men. i can't set up my army untill the bit with frozopia is done [i need the main charicter in that bit freed up to lead the army] caladonn has yet to reply, the bit in time is waiting on Aust, Oda STILL hasn't replyed [seriously, if he doesn't soon i'm going to ..er... commandeer those ships.. i wonder how much they'll carry?] so, i'm just sitting around for a while, cooling my heals :)

Sounds like you should send an immense ocean-faring voyage of exploratory to visit your more strange and exotic neighbors. ;)

Oda, need a reply on both Time and your thread. Thanks.

And I've done MT before, hell I was a superpower (if I say so myself) at MT. I helped found the RWC, (I was president at one point) I forght AMF. You guys may not realsie it but I've faced these odds beofre in MT and won. (I had 4 nations invading me.)

But MT gets tiring thats why i moved to FT and PT, MT is just to techincal and rule based. I'm no millitary genius and I don't know the diffrence between a AK78 and an AK79. I've got imagination but not much knowlage in that area. PT and FT are far easier.

And things are probably going to go badly in the north. Both of our caracters are NEVER going to submit to each others ruler, Austians view there Emporer as a god, as do yours. Still should be good fun though.

And in the south I've got a few tricks up my sleeve...

Sounds like you should send an immense ocean-faring voyage of exploratory to visit your more strange and exotic neighbors. ;)


sorta how i ended up in Aust... 'cept i could legitimatly get a single ship all the way up to Briton within ... oh, say, a year because they don't know the course?

if they did, i think the fastest that the trip was ever made was roughly 3 months. by a sailing ship at least. and it wasn't built for speed like my masters.. then again, it was more capable of handleing rough weather, and didn't have to stick close to land so as to avoid the worst storms....

humm. you know, i may well make an exploritory thread at some point, and prod people on here as my guys get to their lands.

thanks for the idea :)

Oda, need a reply on both Time and your thread. Thanks.

And I've done MT before, hell I was a superpower (if I say so myself) at MT. I helped found the RWC, (I was president at one point) I forght AMF. You guys may not realsie it but I've faced these odds beofre in MT and won. (I had 4 nations invading me.)

But MT gets tiring thats why i moved to FT and PT, MT is just to techincal and rule based. I'm no millitary genius and I don't know the diffrence between a AK78 and an AK79. I've got imagination but not much knowlage in that area. PT and FT are far easier.

And things are probably going to go badly in the north. Both of our caracters are NEVER going to submit to each others ruler, Austians view there Emporer as a god, as do yours. Still should be good fun though.

And in the south I've got a few tricks up my sleeve...

You left the RWC during Brimstone, even when I asked you to stay! And had you asked me I would have told you there is no AK78 or 79. I agree on the fact that MT is to technical, though rules are sometimes(read: often with some people) required.

I'll be honest, I'm thinking of siding with you, to even out the odds a bit

humm. you know, i may well make an exploritory thread at some point, and prod people on here as my guys get to their lands.



infact, i shall! right now! ...err.. not sure exactly how that's going to go. obviously terror incognita is first on the list of places to go.... *thinks* north, east, or west from there, do you think?

drat.. it means useing up yet more of my masters... so there will only be 6 left in friendly waters...

on the other hand, the tech-boosts from this should be Huge :)

MT is just to techincal and rule based
Couldnt agree more man.

Hey Aust even with 3 nations against you, you have all the advantages.

Mainly the shipping problem. We cannot transport enough men to Aust, so theres a good chance you will always outnumber us.

And you are fighting at home.

So you could win this war easily by yourself.

That is assuming im not the tactical genius I am :D

By the way I might start expanding my boarders to the north of the Han Empire. We will see.

By the way I might start expanding my boarders to the north of the Han Empire. We will see.

And the fact that Milchama is there means little? I don't mean to be picky about it of course, just remember theres a big-ass wall to keep the border line strait. It would be cool to have trade going on through certain check points or something. I'm sure both our societies would benefit from such trade.

War, after all, is such a wasteful thing.

I think theres some land unclaimed, I just need to find a recent map. I dont want to go to war with a neighbour.

And where has that guy been anyways? He hasnt RPed at all has he?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10560434#post10560434

lady's and gentlemen, one huge-ass post :D

exploration now :D

*blinks* all that and they only just got out of the harbour.. good greif. i really am longwinded :eek:

anyway, it doesn't need any responce yet. but a post or two from now it'll need a small amount of input from terror, and then a bit later it'll head off to see someone else :D that's right, its' a migratory thread! that has nothing to do with migration.

I think theres some land unclaimed, I just need to find a recent map. I dont want to go to war with a neighbour.

And where has that guy been anyways? He hasnt RPed at all has he?

He started an RP earlier on, but probably halted it because he was not added to the map at the time. Philanchez 'kinda dissapeared' and noone took over (rightaway).

I dont mean to take over his land, I was just inquiring.

Milchama is very active in the World Cup scene(as am I), so I'll try and get him back into action.
I guess you can take anything that open, maybe more if he doesnt continue his RP.

You left the RWC during Brimstone, even when I asked you to stay! And had you asked me I would have told you there is no AK78 or 79. I agree on the fact that MT is to technical, though rules are sometimes(read: often with some people) required.

I'll be honest, I'm thinking of siding with you, to even out the odds a bit
I was using the AK as an Example, and I did leave during Brimstone to protect, Dumpsterdam. I had a chocie, keep my allince and forfit the RQWC (Where I was Vice President and Head of Recruiting)

Couldnt agree more man.

Hey Aust even with 3 nations against you, you have all the advantages.

Mainly the shipping problem. We cannot transport enough men to Aust, so theres a good chance you will always outnumber us.

And you are fighting at home.

So you could win this war easily by yourself.

That is assuming im not the tactical genius I am :D

By the way I might start expanding my boarders to the north of the Han Empire. We will see.
I know, all that, and I have some tricks up my sleeve. I outnumber you hugely, (I have about 25 million population, say 20 million of them can fight....

What the hell? Originally you were 5 million, then 15 and now 25!?

Screw that then Frozopia's got a population of 35 Million, as I had always wanted it. The only reason I stated it as 20 is because everyone was smaller than me at the time.

No offense Aust, but 20 is way too many.

1) You could never arm them all.
2) Rougly 30-40% of your total population would be too young or old, or to ill (medieval times and all)
3) And most of those left over would be useless, and those that are any use would also be needed to defend Tasmania etc.
4) You would also suffer desertion, with your troops being conscripted in wanting to return home so as to reach your crops.

Im assuming you use armies of men and women also.

Aust, no need to go raising your population just because your outnumbered. Keep your normal population. Numbers are nothing compared to good tactics. If Hannibal can slaughter 80,000 romans with only 35,000 men, then you can handle this. (I'm speaking of Cannae of course)

What the hell? Originally you were 5 million, then 15 and now 25!?

Screw that then Frozopia's got a population of 35 Million, as I had always wanted it. The only reason I stated it as 20 is because everyone was smaller than me at the time.

No offense Aust, but 20 is way too many.

1) You could never arm them all.
2) Rougly 30-40% of your total population would be too young or old, or to ill (medieval times and all)
3) And most of those left over would be useless, and those that are any use would also be needed to defend Tasmania etc.
4) You would also suffer desertion, with your troops being conscripted in wanting to return home so as to reach your crops.

Im assuming you use armies of men and women also.
OOC: 25, was what agreed on, wasn't it, I can't reamber.

A)Blacksmiths? I have already stated how I'm doing this, read through the invasion thread. I'm conscripting them all into the army, I've just sent out a royal degree that all men and women ovre 14 are to be armed becuase of inasvion. blacksmiths can work on spear heads when there not working on other stuff (agreculural impliments ect.) Austian army is very easy to equip, you smiply have a sheild and a pike, not hard.

B) well average population age is roughly 25 or so i think. We would ahev a young demographic so proably about 25% would be udnerage. very few would be too old. 17.5 would be more accurate.

C) As I said there not all in my army, most are just being given weapons and basic training. (If you have a vetren in the village, adn your proabably going to have one, he can teach you the basics.)

D) tehre not conscripted, just formed into groups of peopleready to fight should they be attacked by your raiders.

Firstly you have had about 4 months. To give 20 million people weapons.
All I can say is NO.
25+17.5= 42.5%
You agreeing with me, so I dont really get that point. In fact you increased by number of people unable to fight. And if you add another 1% for ill people etc its 43.5%

If you start trying to pull out these rediculous numbers in war, Im ignoring you. For someone with 7000+ posts, you know very little about roleplay.

OOC: 25, was what agreed on, wasn't it, I can't reamber.

A)Blacksmiths? I have already stated how I'm doing this, read through the invasion thread. I'm conscripting them all into the army,



D) tehre not conscripted, just formed into groups of peopleready to fight should they be attacked by your raiders.

contradiction? Or are you conscripting in your black smiths?

contradiction? Or are you conscripting in your black smiths?
I fail to see the problem ehre, do you know how long it taeks to make a spearhead? an hour? less. And 4 months in itself is a rediculas number, as is 1% ill. 4 months to prepare, and travel half the globe, and stopping off in japan. through uncharted waters in a convoy? It took the crusaders a year to reach the Holy Land and thats less that half the distance your proposing to mvoe. If you want to pull numebrs on me I'll pull them on you.

And I don't see why the blacksmiths couldn't fight. The system is VERY similar to that of England during the 900's, where everyone was part of the Fryd, and most wehre armed and ready to fight. That was the way that, in a nation of about 30,000 people, Alfred the Great was able to pull together an army of 5,000 men. Thats not just for defending there hoems eathier, most had to travel vast distances to get there. King Harold did the same, he forght two battles and manged to rase a army of 10,000 just while marching. people simly stepped out and joined him. They ahd there own weapons.The English standing army was about 500 or so, BTW.

I'm doing almost exactly the same thing. every village has a blacksmikith, okay. or someone who can make metal, now in a village of 60-70 people there is onyl so much metal work to be done. they will probably have there own patch of land to farm, yes, but they will still have free time. They get a decree from the Emporer telling them to arm to village to the best of there abillity, that means 30 or so spear heads and helmets. not a big amount at all. Then the people quite simly work at forming a phalnax (Not hard) in there free time. The greeks also used the same system.

Firstly you have had about 4 months. To give 20 million people weapons.
All I can say is NO.
25+17.5= 42.5%
You agreeing with me, so I dont really get that point. In fact you increased by number of people unable to fight. And if you add another 1% for ill people etc its 43.5%

If you start trying to pull out these rediculous numbers in war, Im ignoring you. For someone with 7000+ posts, you know very little about roleplay.

Just to let you know, Frozopia, it is not uncommon during times of foreign invasion (IE: invasion of a disrespected or non-similar-religious group) to conscript a huge portion of people. Though, I think what Aust is saying is that his people are ready to fight to the death, rather than succumb to the invaders.

Eeofol is like that too. Let's say Aust invaded me right now and broke through my armies. Eeofolians hate outsiders, and many fiefs would fight to the death rather than let those smelly Austians take them!

Of course, if Aust is saying he can just conscript them and organize them into an army, I think he should rethink that.

A good idea, Aust, is to simply allow the peasantry/simple folk to construct their own arms. If you have people who are hunters or fishers, then a bow-and-arrow or a fishing spear works just as well as a longbow and a pike. Plus, I mean, you have a huge area to cover. If I were you, I'd keep local "garrisons" of armed civilians in each town. True, they can't stop an invasion: but they can cause casualties and used "scortched earth" if worse comes to worse.

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I'm, like, 80% done with my "factbook" post. After I'm done with that, and it's been reviewed by everyone, I'll revise it and do an intro post.

Just a little spoiler: my people were essentially exiles from the European continent. Though it's not known, they originated in northern France/Belgium, and moved down to the Iberian peninsula. There, they traveled from Iberia to North Africa, to the Arabian Peninsula, until they finally came to the Ethopian/Somalian area of Africa. This means that my nation has certain traditions/ethnicities of these places: things like African cooking, Arabic bazaars, and European ironworking. It's like a nice blend of the stuff! Really good.

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Also, I'd like to point something out here: it seems that this board has gotten a little...well...vicious. If there's an inconsistancy or unrealistic thing, people jump on them like vultures on a dead baby. True, that was an inappropriate annalogy, but I think we can all recognize that. Hell, I've done it myself.

As long as discrepencies don't fundimentally change the way the world works - (IE: Having so many soldiers that your country could no longer function as a nation) - then we should simply register a complaint, ask politely for the nation to change said thing, and if they don't simply say, "Okay, but you owe me one."

I mean, if you want to have an army of insane canabalistic monkeys armed with sabers, go for it I feel. As long as you don't say those monkeys can operate siege equipment and farm and count to seven, I don't mind.

Case and point: the Aust thing. Aust does have a lot of people. Now, the idea that 20 million of his people can fight (but not fight in an organized military formation) is not too unreasonable. Since he's also being ganged up by three other nations, let him keep that number. I mean, they would be scattered over huge tracts of land in smaller militia-like bands of men and women. Complaints have been registered to Aust, but I feel we need to stop getting so...angry? Jumpety? I don't know...

Aust, if you want to make other people happy, try a more conservative number. Out of 25 million, say about 5 or 10 million are ready to fight. Again, they might not be in an organized army, but they can defend their little tract of land.

This is just a comprimise I'm proposing, not a demand. If Aust wants his 20 million, I say let him have it - so long as they're not organized in an army.

So, yeah...that's my two bits.

A spear head in half an hour!? What the hell? If you want it to break a few seconds later, than sure! Sure make 20 million spearheads that can break afterwards. No one the size of your nation could make so many weapons in such short time.

And yes Alfred the Great pulled together 5000. Out of 30,000. 12.5% Much less than you.

And I think you missed my whole point. You said you were consripting, and then you said you wern't. Contradiction.

And how much free time do you think people in the country side had? Not much. No where near enough to form any sort of decent spear/shield wall.

By the way check the post I made before that second one. I said alot there also.

As for 4 months, you want to know why it takes 4 months? Because news of my invasion took even longer to reach you, so you had little time. And I made up 4 in my head anyways.

To be honest I might just give up. I can see that you know very little about any sort of warfare, and this will end with me ignoring some stupid claim you make. Rping with you will probably be a waste of time.

*walks into the room. Shakes head and smacks both Aust and Frozopia over the head.* "Now, shut both ya traps for a moment and let me talk."


Alright. Aust. Your population needs to stay at what it was (I think 20 mil) and doesn't need to grow more. And while you can have your blacksmiths working hard, you can't keep your entire country on military red alert the entire time. Your farmers HAVE TO take of your crops and normal workings of your country, you can't just have everyone above the age of 14 go into it.

Now, Frozopia. Your fleet thus far as I've read, has not run into any sort of problems. All sunny skies and fair weather. My ass. At least 5% of your invasion fleet is going to be lost through this sort of transit. It happens, and theres nothing you can really do about it. I would say every 1 in 8 ships are losts; that is if your fleet is under 200 ships. If more, then 2 in 10 are lost. Its only fair considering the odds facing Aust.

You both have problems. I've presented you with a few. Now 'talk' this thing out, listen to what I said, and get over it. Theres no need to let this ruin the entire rp. All it requires if communication. So, play nice. I have my own flaws as well, we all do, so no need to point fingers at each other.

Ok Im listening to what you say Eofol. I still think 20 million is a rediculous number, after all he did say 25% of people are too young and 17.5% too old.

So roughly 10.625 million people out of 25 would be unable to fight.

Most of the remaining would be rubbish, but ok.

Now, Frozopia. Your fleet thus far as I've read, has not run into any sort of problems. All sunny skies and fair weather. My ass. At least 5% of your invasion fleet is going to be lost through this sort of transit. It happens, and theres nothing you can really do about it. I would say every 1 in 8 ships are losts; that is if your fleet is under 200 ships. If more, then 2 in 10 are lost. Its only fair considering the odds facing Aust.



I never once disagreed with that number. Im just not bothering to roleplay the loss of 1-2 in every 20 of my ships.

And I dont know why you say "The odds facing Aust". He has all the advantages here.

And I dont know why you say "The odds facing Aust". He has all the advantages here.

You underestimate yourself. If Aust had all the advantages, then this invasion would not even be happening.

Meh we will see. Hurry up angerman, I want to finish that diplomacy.

Is Qarez still activated? I mean, he would be the first logical nation I would make contact with...but, I haven't seen him post...like, ever...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread....4#post10560434

heh. anyone actually read that?

or are you all just argueing over silly things?

doesnt link to anywhere.

it doesn't? that's annoying...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472599

does that? it should actually show it.

Okay, here's what I think about this:

I think we need some sort of balance between using realistic, and NS, numbers for population. Based on NS populations, Aust should be able to support 64 million people, and Frozopia only 7 million- obviously that's ridiculous.

However, basing it entirely on realism will also result in problems, as everyone will think that it's realistic for them to have high populations, while their enemies will think it's unrealistic.

Right now, both of your populations are unrealistically high, but Frozopia's is far more so. You claim to have 35 million people in an area quite similar in size and climate to Greenland? If you'll look up Greenland's population, it is, in 2006, with all our modern amenities that make living in extreme climates possible, only 56,000 people.

Aust's situation is more realistic, but still blown out of proportion. In modern times Australia has a population of 20 million, to think that you can have a significant amount more than that while only controlling 2/3 of the land mass in medieval times is quite off the mark.

Well equally you could say my NS nation could not exist at all. 788 million on that frozen continent? But then again its not so bad. At least in the south its a bit greener.

The way I argue it is I have a large "base" population compared to other nations to compensate for the lower rate of growth over the next 600 years.

I would prefer if we stuck to our original numbers though, mine at 20 million, Austs at 15 million etc etc.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472599

Terror, any information pertaining to this thread i should know? they're going to get there very soon.

humm... one of my best works, i think.

I was using the AK as an Example, and I did leave during Brimstone to protect, Dumpsterdam. I had a chocie, keep my allince and forfit the RQWC (Where I was Vice President and Head of Recruiting)

Heh, I was president and as far as I was concerned, you did not have to leave at all.

Oh and about population, when we decided that this would be in 1450 I immediatly looked in my docs and found that France had 12 million citizens, England 3 million during the Hundred years war.
Rome and surroundings had 23 million slaves in the period of Emperor Diocletianus (an official doc from that time was found) and at its largest, the Roman Empire had 400.000 soldiers(not much if you look at the size and border they had to defend).

Firstly, I used the worng word-conscription. Think of it more of an Home Guard style of thing, people arn't part of the regular army. They are part of a group of people from there village/town/city that will protect the place if it's attacked. They've been told that an enermy force is coming and been ordered to make arms. They probably have at least one person in the village that forght during the wars of conquest-due our land redistrabution policy. (I give vertrens land in villages so that in a time of war the vetrens can pass there knowlage onto the next genteration.)

So I've told people that the iunvasion is coming and to make weapons. Many will probably have a bow or somthing of the sort-but my people fight in a Phalnax. Sheild construction is remarkably easy to do as is creating a pike. A single tree can make hudnreds of pikes. A pike is just a long, thin stick with a spear head on the end. You have to weather the wood of course to stregthan it, but even so it is very easy to make. Oh and the 30 minuates came from actually shaping the heaad, not letting it cool, tempering it ect.

The fact is all these populations are high, for the time period, but at lerast Asutralia has the ability to sustain 20 million people in it's sheer size, 35 million in a artic wasteland is rediculas. how about a dead-we both have equal populations.

Heh, I was president and as far as I was concerned, you did not have to leave at all.


I didn't want to bring the RWC into conflict with NATO. The fact is that had I helped Dumpsterdam that would have forced the RWC to fight Brimstone-which was basically NATO.

Pshaw. Should my semi-frozen wasteland ever run out of food we can always resort to cannibalism. The secret is to never eat the brain or intestines, as they contain dangerous parasites. I'm expecting a population boom eventually, at least in my slave total if Frozopia succeeds in this war against Aust. If not I still have the native Americans to look forward to.

Currently we have 9,900,000 Civilians and 13,300,000 slaves in our territory, and will have more once we begin stealing women and children as slaves. Essentially we control them with force and religion; Nature's babysitter.

Pshaw. Should my semi-frozen wasteland ever run out of food we can always resort to cannibalism. The secret is to never eat the brain or intestines, as they contain dangerous parasites. I'm expecting a population boom eventually, at least in my slave total if Frozopia succeeds in this war against Aust. If not I still have the native Americans to look forward to.

Currently we have 9,900,000 Civilians and 13,300,000 slaves in our territory, and will have more once we begin stealing women and children as slaves. Essentially we control them with force and religion; Nature's babysitter.

You have no shame do you? (jk ;) )

Nope. Not really, why do you ask? Hey, if slaves are cutting into your food supply so heavily whats to stop you from turning the tables on them? Should we ever be starved or the like, we can compensate by eating our slaves... All secret-like. Though of course since we're so secluded its more or less not widely known that we engage in this practice.

I was thinking of resorting to cannabilism if my soldiers got a bit stretched in supplies in Aust.......

But ok Aust. 20 million sound good? I always thought of my country as a bit of Russia......

Sooner or later I'll be in direct conflict with Philanchez. Hmm... He hasn't been on much, so I wonder how that will turn out? >_>

Sooner or later I'll be in direct conflict with Philanchez. Hmm... He hasn't been on much, so I wonder how that will turn out? >_>

*grins* i suspect it would start and end with a desperate defence of the capital. otherwise you'd probibly just be marching along going "mine, mine, mine, mine" unless the politicians paralyze him to the point where what you actually get is .... Iraq. yeup. those are kinda your options, i think.

Well he is pretty long nation-wise. I suspect if I can pinpoint the capital I could launch a swift invasion before his forces can all come in and defend it. Depending on his government style, if his leader is killed that would make taking the rest of the Empire easier, as it would be ununified and untrusting of the other leaders, even with their shared hatred of the Antanjylian War Machine.

Essentially if anyone comes within a mile of Antanjyl's territory, we mark it off by impaling prisoners and those who were simply victims of circumstance as a warning. So yeah, Antanjyl doesn't take crap from filthy "barbarians". This goes to essentially every nation in the PT world, even though technologically we're more or less just fanatical knights and warriors. Warriors who enslave women and children and kill any able bodied man who looks "like trouble". Tough but fair, right?

*grins* i suspect it would start and end with a desperate defence of the capital. otherwise you'd probibly just be marching along going "mine, mine, mine, mine" unless the politicians paralyze him to the point where what you actually get is .... Iraq. yeup. those are kinda your options, i think.

*Nods*

and Angerman, for the time being just imagine my ships never landed near your islands. I'm currently stressed for time, so please excuse me for not finishing the rp with you.

I was thinking of resorting to cannabilism if my soldiers got a bit stretched in supplies in Aust.......

But ok Aust. 20 million sound good? I always thought of my country as a bit of Russia......
Who would you eat though-the Asutians?

And 20 million sounds good.

I'm not sure but Philanchez is native american correct? I wonder how the typical native would react to a large formation of black featureless knights on horseback charging at them...

*Nods*

and Angerman, for the time being just imagine my ships never landed near your islands. I'm currently stressed for time, so please excuse me for not finishing the rp with you.


ok. is cool. kinda got to that point anyway. but it had potentual to be interesting... errr.... guess that rules out my exploeres stopping past China then :D

The Austian dead, and probably as secretly as possible.
Wouldnt kill people so as to eat them.

I'm not sure but Philanchez is native american correct? I wonder how the typical native would react to a large formation of black featureless knights on horseback charging at them...


i'd say 50/50 get out the bow/tomahawk/whatever, get on your horse or up a tree, and fight, or "Run Away!" probilby with plenty of prayer of assorted sorts in both cases.

From what I remember of RPing with Philanchez, he likes heavy cavalry (calls them mounted tanks). Not exactly native americans, more European.

From what I remember of RPing with Philanchez, he likes heavy cavalry (calls them mounted tanks). Not exactly native americans, more European.

Then it will probably more or less equal grounds. If I found out about that beforehand IC I probably won't be so prone to marching in huge formations to attack. Though still theres alot of forest between me and him, so my cavalry need to get there first, or break into the Midwest. It will basically be a European nation in North America Versus my invaders. It would probably be interesting at least. O_o

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/Kutulmak/FortRungvie.jpg

Behold Fort Rungvie! Antanjyl's North American Frontier Stronghold. All in all there are six thousand soldiers there at all times. It was built to keep the area under Antanjylian control at all cost, and the designers made it so that anyone attempting to conventionally break into the fortress would be easy targets for a multitude of archers in the towers. All in all there are thirty-six thousand soldiers in the frontier at this point, twenty-four thousand of which report directly to the fortress, meaning on any given week the amount of soldiers there may easily be almost doubled on their way to bringing slaves into the Empire.

Nice fort...*feels a game of "Build the better Fortress" coming on*

Yep. Our Capital and Major Cities are likewise maze-like.

Awesome. I dont really understand everything in it, but I bet that maze will be hard to get through.....

I would definatly attack the fort without artillery.

The smaller squares are large towers for our archers and to keep watch for any enemies. They're eight to ten stories high, and can house a few dozen of our men and women. The Rectangles are barracks, and the weird looking square thing are where we house our stables and Holy Knights. The largest structure is the actual fort, where from the top we can fire additional arrows, and pour boiling oil and the like from a few stories up, not to mention the arrow slits on all sides. Well at least once its finished. The main building in the center will take a few more months IC.

The walls are there to get the enemy shot by as many arrows as possible, and to allow our forces to set up smaller blockades or to set up counter attacks using the walls themselves. Essentially artillery would be a good bet, though the walls are space far from the actual buildings, making aiming for the bottom difficult, and by that time we would have released cavalry or our soldiers.

Oda, can I have a reply....PLEASE????

Of course if you release your soldiers, you send them out into the open to be slaughtered by other soldiers guarding artillery.

How long does it take to build? Its more like a mini castle than a fort.

I personally if I had loads of time and men, would dig under neath and bring the whole thing down. That with continuous bombardment. But thats ideally. Its unlikely I would have the time or men to do so.

Technically other than the whole large thing in the center everything is made of wood, with some stone thrown in. The walls can probably be burnt down though. Its more like a very fortified encampment. Since we can leave from any direction you would need to have artillery aiming at the thing from every direction, which makes choosing a direction to attack your men from easier. You would need to start digging from far away, since coming anywhere within arrow range will essentially have you attacked.

In the most positive scenario you could arrive and there would be six thousand soldiers around inside of the fortified array of walls and barracks. They can leave from any direction to attack, and at any moment reinforcements can likewise come in to attack from behind or go in to strengthen the defenses even more.


So far it more or less took a few weeks for the slaves to set up the wooden walls, which were eventually strengthened with a bit of stone to keep them from easily being collapsed. The main citadel will probably take a very very large amount of slaves and time to complete. Though the barracks and stables are functional, though not entirely armored. Essentially the first things built are the walls and watch towers, which are both made of wood, and can be reinforced with stone later. Then the barracks and stables, followed up with the massive citadel, which is just there to house supplies and more soldiers.

@Artillery: It would be difficult to bring it in, as it was constructed by knocking down all forest in eye-range, so its essentially built in a manmade open plain, as all the wood went in constructing or reinforcing it. So most large siege equipment would probably need to be assembled on the spot or brought along one of our makeshift roads.

now i'm back i can give my answer to the emperors bodyguard question.

when i created Kirisubo i had japan in mind but it wasn't going to be an exact copy of the feudal period. past of my ideas came from the D&D oriental adventures book and others came from the film Shogun Assasin and the Akira Kurosawa jidai-geki films.

therefore the ninja families are under the Shoguns control up to a point and most of them would serve as internal spies so he knows what the plots other nobles are up to as well as protecting the Emperor.

The Imperial familiy may be a figurehead and not very well off but the Shogun supplies and pays the guards.

Theres no ninja guards for the Shogun. his defenders are samurai and normal army troops.

Just because assasins are sent dosen't mean they'll automatically suceed in their mission.

Oh and yes, once it is completely refortified with enough stone after a few years and the citadel is constructed it might as well be called a castle at that point.

Just because assasins are sent dosen't mean they'll automatically suceed in their mission.

Hehe...actually, most assassination plots fail. It's very difficult to assassinate a target. Which is one reason why the whole ninja myth is kind of funny. There is very little historical data about ninjas - save for one or two assassin families similar to the Pinkertons of the US...only, you know, for assassinations. Most of the "ninja" myth is developed from post WWII Japan as it began to commercialize and tourize (if that's a word...) it's culture. After all, at that time Japan's industrial capabilities and quality were poor. Thus, selling a unique culture to the world became a way to make money and add a mistique to the defeated and impoverished nation.

But, that asside, have ninjas. There's no reason why ninjas weren't developed in your country seperately from China (which is where assassin guilds originated from in Japan), and follow a unique honor code and morale system.

But, remember, most assassinations failed...even by the alleged ninjas. Generally, this is the rule: if a ninja sneaks up on a guard, then the guard is dead. If the guard sees the ninja and engages it in combat, the ninja is almost surely dead.

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Also, I'm a bit stumped as to the size of Eeofol. I am not sure what my population should be. I don't mind being a numerically small nation, at the tenacity and tougher-than-nails reputation my citizens will develop is more than enough to compensate for their size. I would just like some consences before I RP...so I can avoid problems in the future.

EDIT: Oh, and I've been meaning to add this! I forgot one of the advantages of a crossbow: disturbingly accurate. It's like a modern gun: point and fire. It gave peasant armies almost perfect (well, okay, that's a stretch...but very VERY high) accuracy, compaired to the low-accuracy of longbows at distances more than a few dozen yards.

Woohoo I missed a lot. Anger, I see ya exploration thread, what can I do for you there? Just specify what you'll encounter coming at me from that direction or what?

My population is being RPed at 20 mill. IMHO, that should be roughly a benchmark for anyone who isn't 1) Huge and 2) Massively densely populated, ie Oda. But that seems to've blown over, so good.

Anyone aware of anything that's waiting on my involvement?

Sorry for my absence. Could I get an update as far as how borders have changed and could womeone sum up whats happened since about mid to late February?

H'ok.

The Aust Invasion is _finally_ coming up to be ready to go, now with me on the invading side. The fleet is approaching my waters.

I've made contact with the new nation of Kilani, we'll see where it leads.

I've made alliances with Caladonn and Angermanland, in addition to the ones coming with my side in the invasion.

I will have as soon as I deploy troops lands bordering Oda.

The Philippines are de facto mine, though thus far I only hold the northern island one away from Wintrees.

That's my news, giving you some from other people at the same time. I'd tell you everything, but I'd get half of it wrong.

Kilani will throw in with you Incognita, once the idenity of the raiders is established. Then you will have the Imperial Legions. Probaly ten of them, 50,000 men, plus 5,000 cavalry and probaly another 30,000 auxiliaries.

Awww....Sweet! :D

A massive logistical problem, but I'm sure we can handle it.

That's going to be a very major portion of the invasion force. Will take a while to cobble together a fleet to bring it over.

Yep. The legions are 5,000 men a pice and there are 30 of them. So ten of them will be a god sized bulk of Kilani's military might. The auxiliaries are mostly archers, slingers, skirmishers, and barbarian infantry brought along to bolster the legionaries and make up for lack of ranged weaponry in the legions themselves. The cavalry won't be that great, though.

We can probably cobble enough ships together to transport them across.

Ok. We'll probably need to provide naval escort for them though; and I get the idea we'll be providing a lot of the logistic capacity around the invasion area.

If the cavalry aren't great, may I suggest bringing them purely as scouts and a pursuit force, as Aust doesn't have cavalry at all.

Going to be interesting to have two Roman-based legion forces involved.

Yup. That's what it's used for in Kilani: scouting and finsihing off a broken enemy. It's not heavy cavalry.

My navy as of now is mostly galleys, alhtough we have a growing corp of carracks and barks.

Do you have any messengers?

Messengers? As in the trader from me who's been in your capital (IIRC) since before this Austian raid excitement?
Or as in fast ships in general? There is a sloop from me on it's way to you with the diplomatic news.

I meant as in AIM, but uh, that works too.

Oh, sorry, I'm being a bit stupid. Got msn I guess, but not AIM.

Cools. I'm sub-tallest-klin@hotmail.com. Drop me a line if you wanna talk.

Add me on Msn aswell people, Hallett_77@hotmail.com, 2 roman legion type armys..that will be intense, our culture i would asume is somwhat similar

** that is an underscore in my email....

Hm. Maybe you can attack from a second front, but Im not sure if splitting our forces is a good idea. We will see.

If not we'll bring him round to meet the main force. By that time there should be a substantial area of land under our control to land his troops.

I have 30 thousand troops ready to set sail from the nile....we can link up with Kilani's legions...

That's great.

Frozopia, I've realised the myself and Kilani, at least, if no-one else, is going to find your slaving distasteful in Aust. Is it going to be just captured soldiers, or are you going to be marching off the civilian population on a large scale?

Basically, if you could stick, officially at least, to combatants, we'd find it easier to justify.

Just to clarify, having changed sides once, I'm not going to do it again, because otherwiase no-one would evert trust my word again. You can be too Machiavellian.

Ostia will be gathering slaves for farms back home,servants and galley dogs to row. Agrippa has to sail past kilani so there is a chance they will join forces..

We're still mobilizing.

The slave situation will exacerbate any guerrila situation that is in place.

EDIT: failed to notice the double situation. Hey, never mind.

Woohoo I missed a lot. Anger, I see ya exploration thread, what can I do for you there? Just specify what you'll encounter coming at me from that direction or what?

My population is being RPed at 20 mill. IMHO, that should be roughly a benchmark for anyone who isn't 1) Huge and 2) Massively densely populated, ie Oda. But that seems to've blown over, so good.

Anyone aware of anything that's waiting on my involvement?


well, your ships need to turn up befor my guys can go to war, that's all i know of.

reguarding exploration:
pretty much. just need to know what i'm going to hit. still kinda debateing if i should actually have other people do stuff in the thread, or get info on what htey want to happen and write it all up myself. the first sounds mroe fun, the second ... cleaner...

i begin to suspect i have the smallest population on the planet :P

Hmm... I think that an Austian population of around 20 million is reasonable.

For Frozopia, if we were going with pure realism, then he'd have no fun RPing as he could only have around 500 soldiers. Therefore, a pop of upwards of 10 million seems reasonable.

We've already agreed my population, so stop bringing it up. I stated it weeks ago, no one complained then, and it hasnt changed since.

Its at 20 million.

As for slaves, we will have to see. It depends on how readily the enemy surrender, If they dont my nobles will take other means to make money.

Its not really encouraged by William, but its the only way he can persuade nobles armies to join him.

Frozo, fair enough on both the population and the slave-taking. On the slaves, I just wanted to point out that we, along with Kilani and Kirisubo, will find it distasteful, and so it's a potential source of friction, especially if it exacerbates Austian resistance. Having raised it, I'm happy to leave it there until we actually RP it.

Angermanland...my ships will be joining you as soon as is practical. Probably after you've gathered your army together, if we're honest.

As for knowing what you're going to hit...I still need to put together a map as a basis for what I tell you. I'll get back to you on that. I'm happy for you to write up an agreed version of what happens if you want, or I'm happy to play it out.

I'm orginiseing the army now. hehe.. my different.. strands.. are commeing togeather, crossing over, and mentioning one another :D bringing the frozopians to my capital has also brought the army's commander and scout/messangers. cool, no?

I'm thinking of sending about a dozen ships to carry your men, with some kind of naval escort, probably half a dozen frigates and a couple of ships of the line, one or two sloops and cutters.

A force that size wouldn't take long to put together, once the transports are ready, so you can expect them to appear over the horizon soonish.

I've put together a fast and dirty map, but imagebucket doesn't like it. Maybe I'm having a mare from just having signed up. Dunno. For now, if you stumble across Neinkennen, a city roughly in the position of RL Port Moresby (so you can look at a map) that'll be cool. It's a relative backwater, so it'll only be bustling with merchant vessels, and maybe a quarter of it's naval squadron will be on the way to your islands to get your army.

I will not be around much this week. Sorry to those involved with me atm, but I'll be even more scarce until next week.

Alright Philanchez... Essentially Antanjyl is moving into North America and sooner or later will run into your people, once we carve away at a small Austian settlement they managed to create awhile ago when their exploratory vessels hit shore. Look at the Carving Westward thread for details. As for a map:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/Kutulmak/untitled26gm.png

Thats a crappy version, and Almohed is no longer there, and there have been more nations added. As for what matters to YOUR nation...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/Kutulmak/AntanjylMapExpansion1.png

The X's are fortifications, the central being Fort Rungvie, the largest.

By the way, are your people European with castles and such, or native americans?

I'm thinking of sending about a dozen ships to carry your men, with some kind of naval escort, probably half a dozen frigates and a couple of ships of the line, one or two sloops and cutters.

A force that size wouldn't take long to put together, once the transports are ready, so you can expect them to appear over the horizon soonish.

I've put together a fast and dirty map, but imagebucket doesn't like it. Maybe I'm having a mare from just having signed up. Dunno. For now, if you stumble across Neinkennen, a city roughly in the position of RL Port Moresby (so you can look at a map) that'll be cool. It's a relative backwater, so it'll only be bustling with merchant vessels, and maybe a quarter of it's naval squadron will be on the way to your islands to get your army.

12 ships to carry 1000 men, some mounts, probibly around 200 moa [think emus. now almost double their hight. make their legs and necks much more muscular. make their body proprtional. it still won't do it justice :P err. double might be a Minor exageration. they're shorter than a geraffie or large elephant] and assorted supplys and stuff.. comes out at about 100 men a ship. they're big enough for that as well as their crews?.

i'm thinking i'll send a some masters and waka with them, but they really can't carry a lot of troops. 3 of them each towing a waka will carry 150 warriors in Very poor conditions. 75 if one modifys things sufficiantly for life to not suck while in transit.

humm.. i'll look into that landing. probilby get to it the day after tommorow. general anistetic[sp] kinda takes most of the day to wear off properly and stuff.

I've sort of declared a state of neutrality for the moment. I've of course made some incognito moves with assassins against Kirisubo, but thats off the record. :)

Nice to have you back Phil.

And just so everyone knows, I've begun extending the Great Wall. I'm planning for it to turn south and have it mark the extent of my western border. It will take time of course, and I'm not making it into a huge project, only 50,000 workers, so it will take an estimated 3 months for every 50 meters of wall.

So far from staying out of it Terror your helping them. i'm never going to trust you again. still you havn't invaded my islands yet.

Oda, i'd like to ask a question.

Why are you trying to kill the kirisuban royal family and deny MT Kirisubo their prescence?

I'm in the PT roleplay in order to tell a good story just not to be RP fodder for your nation.

i also need to know how fast the poison will work if it it is taken.

i can't post further until these questions are answered.

In all fairness Kiri, you cant argue protection of your future Mt nation so as another nation doesnt hurt you.

It kinda ruins the whole point of this RP.

i can argue it because the line needs to continue. at least one child of the imperial family needs to survive otherwise the future kirisubo won't have a divine ruler.

its the same reason why i put a spanner in the works of the ostian invasion of the kuriles. for an RP to work there has to be some continuity from the past to the present.

i would allow some of the imperial family to die as long as one child survived to carry on the line and suceed the throne given time.

i've also had another thought. why try and kill a leader unless you want to invade another nation?

......Why indeed? why oh hwy oh why HAHAHAHAHAHA....

Because he wants to invade your nation, in all likelyhood. Dont worry, I will be the first to leap to your aid when he does (after all we have been strong allies and trading partners for awhile), but whether we are successful is another matter.

i'll make sure that Kirisubo survives to make it to the modern age.

Oh well I guess I'll have to concede the population thing... doesn't really matter a huge amount anyway.

By the way, I am thinking of a smaller version of the American Summit with just North America; Hyr and Zanarkaand aren't active, but it seems like most of the NA people are.

Also, any chance that my thread can be added to the list at the beginning? I know I've mentioned it several times and it might help people contact me.

I will also help you Kuri when it happens, he will not succeed.

Also, any chance that my thread can be added to the list at the beginning? I know I've mentioned it several times and it might help people contact me.
i'll put it up mate, link.


Ostria, how do you suppose to do that?

i'll put it up mate, link.


Ostria, how do you suppose to do that?

If I was in europe and saw all these legions marching away, I'd be thinking of taking advantage of their absence. And its hard to hide a legion, let alone nearly 10 of them, from spies when its leaving.

i can argue it because the line needs to continue. at least one child of the imperial family needs to survive otherwise the future kirisubo won't have a divine ruler.

its the same reason why i put a spanner in the works of the ostian invasion of the kuriles. for an RP to work there has to be some continuity from the past to the present.

i would allow some of the imperial family to die as long as one child survived to carry on the line and suceed the throne given time.

i've also had another thought. why try and kill a leader unless you want to invade another nation?

You know that its quite possible to just have a nephew, or coursin, or some distant relative become emporer? Its happened before in the past. And then theres the fact that the Emperor would no doubt have several hundred conquibines to make sure the line continued.

And this doesn't mean that you be affected in MT. They're seperate times and rps. They affect each other only if you say they do. I don't let what affects me in PT, nor MT, affect me in FT, nor vise versa. So I don't see your problem other than a want to restrain yourself.

Killing another nations leader can be expediant to other aims beside invasion. It would cause your nation to be in turmoil for months at least, making your economy and markets be shakey. Merchants would then need to come to Han to get what they need and trade. This is one thing I can possibly benefit from it. Then there is also the fact that without the Emperor many daimyo will not feel as inclined to follow the Shogun. With the Emperor dead, it could give a legitimate reason for some daimyo to not follow the Shogun since his Imperial Mandate, that put him in power, is now void. (unless you whine about it and decide to say its a continous thing, which in reality and historically it wasn't) These rebellious daimyo could possibly benefit me in a way; such as defeating your shogun and putting on in place who will be more inclined to follow where Han leads.

Those are a few reasons. And invasion does not imply conquer. To do so would overextend my armies more than needs be. If it comes to a fight, which I hope it does not, then it pays to have the majority of my army on the continent. I could simply attack, defeat you, set up some dummy government, then leave: making it a sattelite. The Romans are familiar with this tactic. Since because they could not directly rule most of the lands they conquered, they played off the internal opposing sides, using the ones that could be puppets of Rome. Its not a bad way to rule really.

Ostia, whose to say I can't get an alliance with Tadjik and with him defeat your army coming over. I could promise him Egypt. His advancing into the middle of the continent are at odds with other nations. A free hand in africa could be beneficial. Not to mention that I have India to offer as well.

Then with the largest of my armies I could easily outnumber a combined Terror-Frozo army. Since, after all, I've already taken out Kirisubo whose armies will not be able to fight me (they may even be working for me) and any forces of Aust would be willing to hit Terror in the rear (looking for revenge) should Terror advance from the South.

Thus leaving Frozopia the only one to have a, shall we say 'clear path', to attack me directly. And while his armed forces are strong, they are not nearly in the numbers required. Nor is his navy.

This of course is all speculation. "What ifs" and such. It hinges on my decision of what to do with a certain army sitting in a certain port less than 60 miles from the coast of Kirisubo. And with the government in tormoil the locals will not have time to send word to their allies, and not to mention that I could simply blockade the major passways to Frozopia. But then it would not be expediant for Frozopia to send any armed forces. It would overextend him, leaving Frozopia itself open to attack; and with the size of army I can field, its quite possible that 40,000-100,000 men could be spared to invade Frozopia.


Whew...*wipes head* All this is getting to me. A lot of planning, but it depends on a few things: tadjik's alliance with me, Aust still being strong enough to send a moderate force north to terror, the effect of the blockade.

All plans mind you, nothing set in stone. Oh, and Kiri, the poison takes three minutes to travel along your blood stream and into your heart. Within five minutes your dead.

If I fought for kiri, I would fight a defensive war, rather than attack Han.

Also its unlikely you could blockade me: Its alot of water space for me to travel through, even with your navy.

I think my land is very defendable, so I would not worry about leaving a relatively small garrison (Maybe a minimum of 50-75,000), a force easily capable of destroying a counter invasion.

Well....if Kuri does go to war with Oda, i would make my decision on how i would assist him then..right now i have MANY things on the go.

Thrash is right, if Terror decided to help you you'd be stuck with the Austian armed forces striking him from behind-he won't risk it.

Terror really never promised protection for Kiri anyways, although Im sure he would if he could.

It depends on how successful we are in Aust. If we destroy the Austian navy, Terror need not worry about a Austian counter invasion.

Who says my navys going to offer you a chance to destory them, it's far easyier just to ambush your ships on by one.

If I fought for kiri, I would fight a defensive war, rather than attack Han.

Also its unlikely you could blockade me: Its alot of water space for me to travel through, even with your navy.

I think my land is very defendable, so I would not worry about leaving a relatively small garrison (Maybe a minimum of 50-75,000), a force easily capable of destroying a counter invasion.

I said I would block passages. not you. Why waste time coming into your 'line-of-sight' and giving you a tip off. I would simply need to blockade the few ports of Kirisubo and then set a watch on the area between Korea and Kiri; the more travelled path that most ships take. Thus leaving Frozopia without a way to recieve word.

And have you left a garrison that large in Frozopia? I was under the impression that all but a few 10,000 had been left behind. Since it would afterall take a large majority of your army to conquer Aust; least of all to mention resistance afterwards and trying to annex it. Takes a hella' load of troops.

I am not worried about Aust, the outcome will be in the alliances favor. The odds are on our side for this operation, our leaders and troops combined make a very well trained hardened force. For now i will not worry myself about future conflicts that may arise, Oda could just be trying to create havoc in Kurisubo and leave it at that? who knows...besides him?

Reallydrunk']I am not worried about Aust, the outcome will be in the alliances favor. The odds are on our side for this operation, our leaders and troops combined make a very well trained hardened force. For now i will not worry myself about future conflicts that may arise, Oda could just be trying to create havoc in Kurisubo and leave it at that? who knows...besides him?
Well...

And persoanlly you are too overconfident about this. It takes a hell of a lot of men to concor a country, especiallyone the size of Aust.

Reallydrunk']I am not worried about Aust, the outcome will be in the alliances favor. The odds are on our side for this operation, our leaders and troops combined make a very well trained hardened force. For now i will not worry myself about future conflicts that may arise, Oda could just be trying to create havoc in Kurisubo and leave it at that? who knows...besides him?

It does boggle the mind doesn't it? :D I mean with my at core of 900k well trained imperial troops...theres so much that could happen! *giggles with excitement*

And this makes me think of a quote:

"Your overconfidence is your weakness," said Luke.

"Your faith in your friends is yours," replied Palpatine.

I trust in my allies and have hope that it will work, is it such a bad thing to be confident?. I know it will not be easy to overcome great Aust, don't get me wrong..i consider Aust a powerful enemy and it will be a long road to victory.

Where's Almohed? And what happened to all the contact that I had?

Oda my nations pretty large. 20 million people and roughly 400,000 land troops (admittedly, a large amount kinda privately owned). When I said 50-75000, I meant after I sent more troops to Kiri (ok I probably would be unable to send 265,000 to Kiri (I would be incredibly reluctant to do so anyways), but 50-75 is my minimum garrison.

Almohed left the RP (he said so himself).

Hmm, so no negotiations with him then.

Who makes the map if he's gone?

Well originally it was Phil anyways, but anyone can volunteer.
By the way Really Drunk, you do realise that Gaulic territory is claimed?
Or at least some of it it.

Hmm, so no negotiations with him then.

Who makes the map if he's gone?

I think Phil will take it back up; if he will be so kind as to do so. Also, Tadjik, i have a bone to pick with you, I will TG you with my msn, and we can discuss it there. If you don't mind?

Yes i am taking only a little peice.. :) putting my hand in the cookie jar

Can some one update the map please? i only need to extend my Gaul border a bit more if you would...thank you


Tajik...we also need to continue diplomatic discussion .....if you are still interested..

I never promised to protect Kirisubo, however I would. I am shocked that Aust expressed surprise that I am now aiding the invasion...I thought I made it clear immediately that I had switched sides, not turned neutral. And I don't expect you to trust me ever again. Nor do I expect your nation to have an active foreign policy for some time, that rump of it which remains independent.

Thus, if Oda does invade Kirisubo, I would undertake:
1) A naval campaign to prevent reinforcement of the invasion force.
2) Small scale interventions in his recently conquered territories, fomenting rebellion. It has to be simmering anyway, especially in India, but also Indochina.
3) Send all available land forces to Kirisubo. And even if you don't think my navy is strong enough to defeat yours, Oda, you have to recognise it could punch through taking troops to aid Kirisubo.

Well said....

i'll put it up mate, link.
Thanks, here's the link- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10246981

Hmm... interesting things are happening, or at least being talked about...

Well, anyway, if Kirisubo is invaded and Terror defends them, then I am drawn into the war too as his ally. You can expect a large fleet in the China Seas, and possibly some action in the Indian Ocean as well. The only person I won't help Terror against is Aust, since per that treaty wars with him are conquest-oriented.

I'm pretty sure that one-on-one Terror's navy could defeat Oda's, since he's far more naval-based than Oda is.

Oh, things just get better and better :D

EDIT: Forgot that we had a treaty that would cover that particular eventuality. Well, I don't see Oda invading anyway, really. More threatening and trying to destabilise Kirisubo so he can take them out of the war.

I agree with caladonn, i will make it clear where i stand right now so that everyone knows. I remain loyal to my allies and i will assist them in any conflict i possibly can with out them even needing to ask for help as i am sure they would do for me...

If my allies are in trouble i will do everything in my power....

hehehe.. you don't even Want to know my stance on aliances :)

Awww, go on....what is it? (think I can guess....hehe).

Awww, go on....what is it? (think I can guess....hehe).

heh. excepting the whole vassel/leagie arangement, they tend to be Very... temporary. the paperwork is writen so one doesn't break oath when the treaty ceases to be benificial.

for example: the treaty i'm currently working out with Aust [rendered void befor being signed due to the decleration of war] ... my guys are actively trying to put in escape clauses that amount to "we don't have to do anything we don't want to" hehe.

put it this way: as long as keeping a treaty remains in his best interestes, the prince will keep it. as long as there is no compelling reason to, he won't break it.

mroe to it than that, but basicly, Terror, you don't have to worry about me being your enemy for a Very long time, if ever. unless you attack me, of course.

confuseing? it amounts to the ability to go "aliance? what aliance? *hides the paperwork behind his back and starts whistleing*" :D

of course, if we Like you, and/or your existance is benificial, and we have the capacity to do so, we will help.

Mucho Machiavellian. I would, just I see the downside...if people can't trust you, they won't make an alliance, and you'll be diplomatically isolated.

Still, rest assured I will keep it in your interests to remain allied with me, and see how close we can get your tech level to mine while importing all your metal. :D

Oh yeah, do you want to set up an exchange? The knowledge of building Masters in exchange for metalworking and a fair amount of metal to try it with?

Mucho Machiavellian. I would, just I see the downside...if people can't trust you, they won't make an alliance, and you'll be diplomatically isolated.

Still, rest assured I will keep it in your interests to remain allied with me, and see how close we can get your tech level to mine while importing all your metal. :D

Oh yeah, do you want to set up an exchange? The knowledge of building Masters in exchange for metalworking and a fair amount of metal to try it with?


well, the current dealings with Aust, and prior interaction with your guys [around the boarder] have sorta given me the knowledge of.. the possiblity of metal working.

hummm would be a valid deal. building Masters is slow though. incidently, there is Some iorn around, but it's in sands. kinda hard to "discover" and extracting it in large quantitys would.. destablise the area. not to mention i think the technequies required might be above teh current tech level?

*grins* still. sounds good. we'll set up some negotiations.

and it's not really as machiavellian as you'd think. especially when combined with a rather uniquely british method of takeing places over :)

and the prince, at least, as well as his better subjects, are all honest almost to a fault. they won't generaly lie. instead, they'll word their deals and promises, even verbal ones or ones made to themselves in their own head, Very carefully so as to give escape clauses and so on, so that they never actually Break them.

What you meaning by the British method of taking places over?

But yeah. I can have the Admiral who just arrived carry the message of that offer, saves time.

What you meaning by the British method of taking places over?

But yeah. I can have the Admiral who just arrived carry the message of that offer, saves time.


the british, at their hight, had a very nice way of takeing places over. their merchants would set up tradeing posts, then their citizens would simply... go and live there. eventually some sort of trouble was bound to flair up, with the natives or some other power, and the british would annex the area in order ot protect their citizens [generaly this was actually a legitimate concern. takeing territory was the bonus] they'd establish themselves as rulers [well, the monarch as ruler, but you get the idea] move in some defencive troops, and carry on. generaly there was eventaully some sort of rebellion, but not always.

it says something for the effectiveness of this method that, after the empire disolved, the vast majority of it's coloneys joined the 'commonwelth' that replaced it, and retained the monarch as head of state. some of them did only one and not the other, but *shrugs* it was far less devistateing to the native population [useually] and gave them greater controll wtih less resentment [useually] than the french, german, spanish, or dutch methods.

anyway. teh message commeing wtih the admeral is probilby a good idea. . . 'cept you've never really had opertunity to get a good look at a master of it's performance, have you?

I see what you mean now. Yeah.

I'm not sure I've seen it in open sea, but I've spotted it in harbour...
Basically I want them as message-carriers, especially in time of war. Maybe as traders for certain specialised commodities, where time is of the essence and bulk is low.

I see what you mean now. Yeah.

I'm not sure I've seen it in open sea, but I've spotted it in harbour...
Basically I want them as message-carriers, especially in time of war. Maybe as traders for certain specialised commodities, where time is of the essence and bulk is low.


heh. that's mostly what they're for. that and giveing waka the speed they need to be really effective at ramming [amuseing slingshot manouver i was going to use on Frozopia right near the begining when Mahkath put in his first appearance in "Time"]

Hmm... come to think of it I should be quite concerned about allying with Terror after his betrayal... I'll have to work out a few contingency plans.

As for me, I generally don't break alliances. Doing so results in people not trusting you.

1) How is it in my interest? There isn't a vast coalition passing through my waters with almost 100,000 soldiers on it's way to you.
2) After pulling that trick once, people are wary of trusting me. I understand that. Which is why I'm not going to do it again, otherwise I would fully expect no-one ever to trust me again.

Well, I guess as and when I've had a chance to prove myself, you might trust me. Until then, just feel free to watch me closely.

Aust, Antanjyl is very brutal in her tactics, and will probably not show much mercy to the officers and higher ups should they surrender at this point. We're very specific about dates, and the Empire must keep on schedule after all.

Well Hyr is around. He just doesn't post in here. I'd more or less join, but you'd need to telegram everyone you'd like to join. Since we're distant and its very very hard to reach so many spread out nations at this point.

Well Hyr is around. He just doesn't post in here. I'd more or less join, but you'd need to telegram everyone you'd like to join. Since we're distant and its very very hard to reach so many spread out nations at this point.


hehe. didn't stop the pacific Anti-Aust alliance setting up, Ostia and all.

or stop Aust from sending letters to everyone he was trying to get on his side.

the real trick is to set it several months after the letters Should all have reached their destinations.

Reallydrunk']Yes i am taking only a little peice.. :) putting my hand in the cookie jar

Can some one update the map please? i only need to extend my Gaul border a bit more if you would...thank you


Tajik...we also need to continue diplomatic discussion .....if you are still interested..

We can pick it up where we left off

Sence then the emperor has went to the fortress pompeyy. We can rp a recess to the meeting so that it may be continued at that location...if thats cool with you post it on the holy empire of ostia thread when you got the chance..

Meh, I'm expecting everybody to die anyway, it's justa case of killing everyone else while 'm at it.

Like I said...I think I'll stay neutral.

o0o yeah

Meh, I'm expecting everybody to die anyway, it's justa case of killing everyone else while 'm at it.

Sounds like one of those high school gunmen in the US...Columbine anyone?

Sounds like one of those high school gunmen in the US...Columbine anyone?
yeah.

Need a reply, sorry to soiund repetive...

Oda, you're one wise emperor. I can see this war getting messy.

Oda, you're one wise emperor. I can see this war getting messy.

Well it certainly does pay to have the largest nation.

Well, depends on the situation really, doesn't it? But in the present situation, you can afford to stay out of it.

Well, depends on the situation really, doesn't it? But in the present situation, you can afford to stay out of it.

After-war affects are always nice. :D

I'm actually suprised you didn't all go after ODa, your all in ther right position to go for him, not for. me.

I can't remember, but had Oda joined when the Triple Alliance decided to invade?

Oda is a bit big for the moment. Kiriusubo is limited in troops, Ostia is too far and that leaves me, who would rather make an easier win to the south.

At least attacking Aust I have several local allies on board.

Also Oda was barely in the RP then, and I was not certain if he would drop out or be a general noob (didnt know he was Thrasia).

Yeah, neither did i..lol that suprized me a bit :), i see where you are comming from..im not ready to try and invade oda....

Hi guys, I thought that since this RP has been such a success you might be interested in joining another PT RP I've created offsite. It's an earth-based RP set in 1000 AD, where you can claim either a nation or a group of culturally similar territories (You need to RP internal strife and feuds in that case though).

It's going to be really awesome so I suggest you all join.

Here's the link: Earth 1000 AD (http://s12.invisionfree.com/1000AD)

I will take part....

I would, but I'm spending far too much time on RPing as it is...

Great, thanks so much for joining Ostia.

Terror, I understand if you can't do it... still, 1000 AD needs some treachery and stuff... If you find time, then you know where it is.

I obviously have too much of a reputation already.
:(
All ya gotta do is break one alliance, and all of a sudden people think you're Machiavelli reborn.

I'll think about it. Actually, maybe I'll join, and then be fairly quiet, until I have time....just I know if I do that I'll get dragged in...arrghh! Decisions.

Yaa! welcome aboard terror :) lol....this time im mighty china muhahahahahhahahaha

Reallydrunk']Yaa! welcome aboard terror :) lol....this time im mighty china muhahahahahhahahaha

Learning from the from the master I see. :cool:

Oda, i've replied to the assasination thread.

i'm also looking at the possibilities of looking at 1000 AD Japan but i need to do a lot of reading up first

I obviously have too much of a reputation already.
:(
All ya gotta do is break one alliance, and all of a sudden people think you're Machiavelli reborn.

I'll think about it. Actually, maybe I'll join, and then be fairly quiet, until I have time....just I know if I do that I'll get dragged in...arrghh! Decisions.


well, if it makes you feel any better, so far as I'm concerned you're just sensible... now if you'd betrayed him IN BATTLE, that would be a whole other story. and it's not like the alliance is particularly evil. just expansionist.

seriously, wait untill my stratigist charicters start messing with the diplomacy... hehehhehe. Machiavelli indeed. well, it's ment to be. i'll admit, i'm not Brilliant at that stuff.

i had a point, but i lost it.
hummm..

i'll investigatet that RP.

If you're going to join, I'd suggest getting in there. Cos the good ones seem to be going quite fast.

i have signed up and penciled in my claim on japan.

its an interesting period of history from what i've read so far and they've close relations with china.

well.. i said some stuff. *laughs* so, i have a pressance on those boards, if not on the map as yet :)

Haven't checked it out yet, but seems promising. I responded in kind Kiri, and I let the kid live. Dogs! I tell ya...such a distraction from rl...but then I guess it can't be helped and I will go easy on ya.

what other pet would you have expected a little princess to have? :)

the sucession decree has now kicked in and the Empress is the regent for now, princess Genjiko now 2nd in line for the throne.

I have a crown princess in MT Kirisubo as well as an established right of women to assume the throne so maybe is is how it happened.

i also need to know if the poison can be detected and identified.

Sorry. I was busy for awhile. I'm back though. Ho ho ho!

Sorry. I was busy for awhile. I'm back though. Ho ho ho!


merry christmas :D

i guess my thread is now waiting on Frozopia's responces. anyway, it's after 4am. i'm going to try and get some sleep. back in the morning.. or afternoon.. whatever.

I'd join, but I'm doing to much Rping anyway, GCSE's in may...

GCSE's are easy, don't let them get in the way of having fun :D

Are you going to admit this raider was yours?

GCSE's are easy, don't let them get in the way of having fun :D

Are you going to admit this raider was yours?
No.

And I'm predicted 6 A*'s, i'm working bloody hard!

i hope you get what you're after aust :)

Hehe. I got 6 A*s, and I tell ya that the work your doing now is as nothing to A-level, which itself is very little when you get to university, and then you do large parts of it in a drunken haze. :D

I didn't expect you would admit it, but at least now I don't think my guys are going to be executed, so I can wait for you to be found out.

EDIT: Don't take me too seriously on GCSE's, they are hard. Good luck with em.:cool:

Hehe. I got 6 A*s, and I tell ya that the work your doing now is as nothing to A-level, which itself is very little when you get to university, and then you do large parts of it in a drunken haze. :D

I didn't expect you would admit it, but at least now I don't think my guys are going to be executed, so I can wait for you to be found out.

EDIT: Don't take me too seriously on GCSE's, they are hard. Good luck with em.:cool:
Thanks, taking Enllgish Lit, english language, History and Goverment and poltics at A lecvel with the hope of going into law when I'm odler. (or teaching/journalism.)

Man I wish I was still doing GCSES (got 4A*, 2 A's, and 6 B's).
Right now Im suffering A levels.

What ones you doing?
(I did Physics Maths History last year. And Politics AS year before).

Maths, Physics and Chemistry. Dropped Business studies at the end of AS (boy do I regret that, Chemistry is a nightmare).

I would swap my A level subjects for yours any time.

History was fun. Politics was a bit repetitive, especially since I was doing History as well. Same Shit, Different Century.

Yay! Anyone who has time or doesn't should definitely join... it's going to be really cool.

Still, as someone said, the good nations are being snapped up quickly- pick soon if you want something good!

Still, there are nations left, and some good ones, too.

You know Caladonn, every time I see your sig it makes me think that your Putin (President of Russia). Becuase, as we've all seem to have forgotten, all the news was filled with how things in Chechnya were getting bad and that Putin might send troops to stomp the country. THEN the tsunami came and the news has been off the story since. No news coming out of the country. You have to think that if you were Putin, you'd use the camo of the tsunamia as a good time to invade...at least thats what I would do...if I was an evil, coniving, unscupolous, russian bastard....good thing I'm not.

It's gonna be good. I'm gonna enjoy this thing of having fiefs controlled by another player. And I like that Phil's first action is calling for a crusade.:p

Wow... You know, Thrashia, I've never thought of it that way. I think I'll change it to something like "I have not invaded the Republic of San Marino" or "I have not invaded the Nation of Tannu Tuva."

Heh. I don't want to be thought of as a Putin-esque evil, conniving, unscrupulous Russian bastard... I'd prefer to be thought of as someone who's just started a really great RP that you're all dying to join.

Actually, THAT's what I'll put in my sig.

Hi, I'm officially back and will soon revive the Toop Moon thread, as soon as I come down from this amazing Caffine hype.

Welcome back Toops. You brave, brave barbarian chieftain. (You're insane :headbang: )

Welcome back Toops. You brave, brave barbarian chieftain. (You're insane :headbang: )

now that's siggable

I wanted to put a :D smily, but every time I try it gives me :d

Im sure Toops follows me thread to thread, because I've been present everytime he's seen a quote thats siggable.

Anyways, you guys ready for moving into Austian waters? We sailing in tomorow.

Finally it works!

well two of those qoutes are from the NFT experiment, good times, anywho, just one more can of Coke left so I should be able to post at around 5am-ish GMT

Another 6/1/2 hours? On one can of Coke?

long story; spent a fiver on 16 cans of the stuff, drank four then me dad rang and said he'd be back home tommorow, had to drink it or he'd of wondered why I bought so much Coke, already drank 4 yesterday, have drank 11 so far, 1 left.

Party? Where not much coke was drunk?

I'm on the come-down now, i'll be crashed for a while but i'll be back, I have some questions in the mean-time, whats the current map and diplomatic situation? Do we have a PT storefront? (I'd be interested in opening one)

How long you been away?

How long you been away?

well according to the thingy at the top, 17 days!!!!

Thats a looong time. Right, I'll run down where I am, cos if I try and do everyone I'll get totally lost.

Alliances (currently in force): Frozopia, Kirisubo, Ostia, Caladonn, Angermanland.
Alliances (negotiations in progress): Kilani.
Enemies: Aust
Want to contact: WinTrees. The mercenary bloke. Has appeared, been given territory in the Philippines amongst other places, and disappeared again.

(Yes, I changed sides in the Aust war. And I never stop hearing about it.)

Thats a looong time. Right, I'll run down where I am, cos if I try and do everyone I'll get totally lost.
.....
(Yes, I changed sides in the Aust war. And I never stop hearing about it.)

so did i, at least OOCly, and everyone seems to just be ignoreing the fact. on the other hand, i never signed anything ICly....

I am still here, I was very busy this week so I was not around here. But apparently people like to see players post in this thread everyonce in a while. Frankly I havn't seen much point since this has mostly been about the Aust war of which I have no part in.

Caladonn are you still doing the America's conference?

Antanjyl feel free to start the slaver thing now. Either in a new thread or in my thread is fine.

Guys the current map:
http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/9914/untitled28gp.png
We need a mapmaker, this one needs editting. I would do it myself, but I would suck and I have no where to host it (photobucket wont fit it with much detail).

What needs to be done to it?
Remove Almohed and his stripy lines in Africa. He left, and said so himself.

Possibly remove Qarez, Milchama, Rodenka, Zanarkand, Spizania and Whyatica. Seriously where have these guys gone?

Maybe ask about for Tadjikstan and The Scandivanians. Have they left?

It really pisses me off when people claim so much land and then disappear, without one good post.

Ok I've slightly clumsily edited, ruthlessly cutting people who have been absent.
Could someone send me their email? And then they can host it.

Ok I've slightly clumsily edited, ruthlessly cutting people who have been absent.
Could someone send me their email? And then they can host it.

sengokutenno@gmail.com

Send away.

Maybe ask about for The Scandivanians. Have they left?I am still here, just took a little break from this thread.

Ok Hyr has expanded south to cover the rest of the land below me. To the north I have expanded along the west coast (not very far inland) about half way between where I am now and where Zanarkaand is. This is mostly for fishing and resources as the land between the coast and mountains is mostly desert there.

Also I have discovered the island continent west of me. A few settlements will be built in the future.

I know some of my expansion attempts have caused controversy so I wish to ask if I take the area I have highlighted with white will be okay for me to take as an area where I can grow spices and cotton? If you want I will also start a thread that is open to other people to join in on if they wish.

Here is the map: http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled28gp5fu.png

Bit distant isnt it? Ah well I can hardly talk. I will add u a colony.


I will ad Hyrs.

BTW Zanarkand is gone from the map. I was utterly ruthless, I havent seen him RP at all.

If he gets back, I will fill him back in.

Emailed the thing now. Feel free to make it a bit neater.

I am still here, I was very busy this week so I was not around here. But apparently people like to see players post in this thread everyonce in a while. Frankly I havn't seen much point since this has mostly been about the Aust war of which I have no part in.

Caladonn are you still doing the America's conference?

Antanjyl feel free to start the slaver thing now. Either in a new thread or in my thread is fine.
Yes, Hyr, I'm still doing the conference- now that Zanarkaand has quit. I just want to see if Philanchez is active.

Thanks Frozopia those lands will help my economy and to man the plantations I will import slaves to work in them. As well I just looked up dyes and I will also being growing a few dyes that are found naturally in roots, berries, leaves, wood, and bark.

Emailed the thing now. Feel free to make it a bit neater.

No problem.

The lights have turned on, all the actors are ready, the band begins its first chord...and the play begins.

Invasion of Kirisubo (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10607589#post10607589)

The lights have turned on, all the actors are ready, the band begins its first chord...and the play begins.
:D