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Oda, you've missed most of the play...you're looking like a deus ex machina for Aust, who is in his second to last act. We shall see.

Oda, you've missed most of the play...you're looking like a deus ex machina for Aust, who is in his second to last act. We shall see.

Who ever said we were in the same play? :cool:

And I have a bone to pick with Kirisubo

With the Emperors funeral still a few days away and the Empress confirmed as leading the council of regents which would sit until Crown Prince Saruji came of age the Kirisuban imperial navy was still watching the Western and Eastern shorelines. every port had a few ships on patrol and where there was gaps soldiers watched the coast ready to light beacons. On Hokkaido Ostian and Kirisuban galleys were watching the northern coasts.

With part of the Kirisuban army away fighting in Terror and with the death of the Emperor the defence forces were on high alert.

If they were going to be attacked from the west it would come now if not sooner

This is in no way possible. A ninja attack on you emperor would in no way cause the ENTIRE FREAKING NATION to be put on high alert. And not only that, but you do not know where I am going to land; another thing which you are failing to realise. And thats a LOT of shoreline, you don't have enough troops to watch all of it.

And not only that, but you even involved Ostian vessels!

the redeployed sourthern fleet of 30 Kirisuban small galleys and 5 Ostian galleys were now at Wakasa bay on the western coast of Honshu province. their mission was to keep an eye out for hostile vessels and along with the other fleets the western coast line and horizion was being carefully watched.

On the Tsubaki Commander Sato Toshiro who was in charge of the kirisuban ships of the fleet was waiting for the supply galley to arrive so they could get fresh water.

it was quiet and that worried him...

No. Simple: no. Ostia clearly stated bringing all available vessels south with him for the invasion of aust. So I will not recognize any forces you claim he has there. If you try to use them, then I will let my men really feel what its like to hallucinate.

Back to the high alert thing. No. For an imperial funeral, all daimyo would be required to appear in Kyoto with a small guard and be there to honor the dead emperor at his funeral. They wouldn't remain in their provinces and suddenly say: "Hey...this means we're going to be attacked!" As far as your nation is concerned ICly, Han has kept out of the Aust war entirely. Your safe in your thoughts about Han being afraid to invade because of your allies.

So I ask you kindly to revise your post and bring back a proper one. In no way, shape, or form, will I accept this. Its simply god-mod.

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Also, guys, stop the OOC chatter in my thread. You got a problem, bring it in here. Don't clutter my thread like you did the Invasion of Aust thread.

One more thing:

Oh yeah, and Oda, assuming all the threads are roughly simultaneous, it IS storm season. See my thread for the typhoon that has been raging around some of mine and Kiri's ships.

We're in two totally different seas bud. Meaning while it may be storming south of terror and north of aust; it won't be storming north between Han and Kirisubo. So, no, I don't accept that either.

EDIT: and with time being as fluctual as it is with you austian invaders, I could be leaving at a time before the typhoon season, or after it, or at a calm period. You don't know.


And One more thing:

For the moment......... Im totally ignorant. That is untill a trade ship returns bringing news. I will wait for the blockades, to inform me on that number. Because blockades give themself away, in reality.

Whoever said your merchant ships will be allowed to get away? No one alive, no tail to be spread.

I wouldn't have 'cluttered' it, if I hadn't had Aust GMing far more blatantly than Kirisubo.
I think we're now sorted, but it was necessary at the time, ok?

And on the different plays....probably :cool:
In fact, I hope so. That way we can both have happy endings :D

I wouldn't have 'cluttered' it, if I hadn't had Aust GMing far more blatantly than Kirisubo.
I think we're now sorted, but it was necessary at the time, ok?

And on the different plays....probably :cool:
In fact, I hope so. That way we can both have happy endings :D

True, I would like a happy ending. What would you like terror if I was to offer you control of half of kirisubo in return for not inolving yourself in any military reprisals my invasion sparks?

i did RP with Really Drunk so that some Ostian ships would be involved. They already had a base in Hokkaido province and there only 5 of them in the fleet at Wakasa bay.

if you read whats been going on in Rise of the Kirisuban empire you'll see how the southern fleet got redeployed to where it is now.

I'll edit some of it but you need to remember that there will still be beacons round the coast lines. Once the invasion is spotted the word will spread fast.

I was referring purely to the season, not to the specific storm, or the specific day. I think it's reasonable for the threads to be within a month or so of each other.

And...no blockade, however effective, is going to prevent word from getting through/out. Can't be done. Not even by my navy :p Though, with effective blockade, Frozo won't get word for a while, and may not get any concrete news at all.

True, I would like a happy ending. What would you like terror if I was to offer you control of half of kirisubo in return for not inolving yourself in any military reprisals my invasion sparks?

I would think...that it's kind of you to offer, but that I'll say no for three reasons.
1) I already changed sides once. If I sell out an ally again, no-one will ever trust me. I have to stand firm.
2) I think you're quite powerful enough already. Having another independent nation fall into your grasp is not a great idea.
3) I quite like Kirisubo, and I can see our nations working well together. So having him conquered would not be cool.

i did RP with Really Drunk so that some Ostian ships would be involved. They already had a base in Hokkaido province and there only 5 of them in the fleet at Wakasa bay.

if you read whats been going on in Rise of the Kirisuban empire you'll see how the southern fleet got redeployed to where it is now.

I'll edit some of it but you need to remember that there will still be beacons round the coast lines. Once the invasion is spotted the word will spread fast.

not fast enough for a large enough force to be prepared. :D

I would think...that it's kind of you to offer, but that I'll say no for three reasons.
1) I already changed sides once. If I sell out an ally again, no-one will ever trust me. I have to stand firm.
2) I think you're quite powerful enough already. Having another independent nation fall into your grasp is not a great idea.
3) I quite like Kirisubo, and I can see our nations working well together. So having him conquered would not be cool.


1) I mean a sort of non-aggression pact; I would give you some land in return for not deploying your forces against me. Thus keeping you from switching sides. now it would be more like sitting on the side lines and cheering your allies on.

2 & 3) Who said I would conquer Kirisubo? I'm invading him. That does somewhat imply that I conquer him, but whose to say that once I defeat him (if of course) that I leave and simply have a government in place for him to run; but one that will be more likely to listen and follow my Emperor's orders. So, like I said in a previous statement of intent, I would turn Kirisubo into a satellite, not a province. Less strings attached.

But fair enough. *bows*

Ok I will cut out the OOC crap in your thread. Want us to deleted it?
Well I doubt you will stop every ship getting away, and even the ones that dont will tell us something is wrong.

But I will wait for concrete evidense.

Also could you post the newly editted map? Thank you.

The armies of Toops came marching back from a failed battle, they were bloodied and severely down in morale, thier march had been spotted three days previous by the now 35,000 strong Raider army which had wandered the landscape for many months before returning to Toophian lands.

"General Gritsnak reporting, the invasion of the Southern lands has failed and we await the return of King Goredash." The army had ceased its advance and many of the lesser Goblins and Grobbles wandered off to be welcomed home by the women-folk, "Where did your scummy Raider lot go, we needed your skills in that fight!" The Raider general frowned at the the uppity Noomian, "The army has been requested that it be prepared and sent off once more for full combat, you will be joined this time by the best in Toophian advances, this is by order of Goredash!" Gritsnak stared at the Raider, there was an instant twinge of bad-blood "we failed the first time." Gritsnak raised his Orcy blades and was followed by the Raider Orc "somethings changed!"

"We have word from Merchants and Spies that a large force is being moved from the Redlands towards our allies land in the Blue Islands, not only will this have provided a distraction but will also possibly grant us a military alliance, already 20,000 men have been sent to aid the Kirisubans and along with your men we have orders to march back to where you failed misirably and try again!"

(OOC:k, I'm writing this as a few months after Oda's ships have set sail so this post won't come into effect until a little while later, but I wanted to get clear my intentions.)


That much time hasn't gone past yet. Remove your post.

Hasnt been a few months oda? I suppose not with the Aust thing.

That much time hasn't gone past yet. Remove your post.

k, ima delete it but I just want to ndraw attention to fact that that post was just make clear my intentions, it was not meant to come into efect til much later.

Oda, what can I say? I like your style, but circumstances mean I have to fight you. Life's a beatch.

I suggest everyone delete their OOC comments in that thread BTW.

Oda, what can I say? I like your style, but circumstances mean I have to fight you. Life's a beatch.

Well if you read my opening invasion post, you see I made contingincies for such an event. Sad, but true. I'd hate to invade you as well. Or at least that strip of peninsula I gave you.

Here is the new refined map. Image (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Upum/NewMap.jpg)

Also, instead of just repeating things; here is a link to what I said might happen and the course of events that I might take.

Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10574279&postcount=1140)

i have tailored this slightly but Kirisubo has always been paranoid about strangers and having the Han as your neighbour when they've taken over south east asia is like being Finland with Stalins USSR as your neighbour. :)

With the Emperors funeral still a few days away and the Empress confirmed as leading the council of regents which would sit until Crown Prince Saruji came of age the Kirisuban imperial navy was still watching the Western and Eastern shorelines. There was large gaps however and the beacon crews were watchful.

Most of the daimyo's were in Kyoto preparing for the Imperial funeral but the watch needed to be maintained.

On Hokkaido Ostian and Kirisuban galleys were watching the northern coasts. These ships were stetched thin and sticking close to the coast.

while an invason from the west was unlikely it was guarded against all the same as their forebears had done while the civil war was being fought.



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the redeployed sourthern fleet of 30 Kirisuban small galleys and 5 Ostian galleys were now at Wakasa bay on the western coast of Honshu province. their mission was to keep an eye out for hostile vessels and along with the other fleets the western coast line and horizion was being carefully watched.

On the Tsubaki Commander Sato Toshiro who was in charge of the kirisuban ships of the fleet was waiting for the supply galley to arrive so they could get fresh water.

He didn't expect the Han to come since they had been silent for a century but orders were orders and he had to patrol this stretch of coast.

happy now?

Here is the new refined map. Image (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Upum/NewMap.jpg)

Half the world has been emptied.

Half the world has been emptied.

Lmao..no shit. ;)

Kiri: fine, fine, fine. Just dont expect to have a large force ready too fast, k?

Feel lucky that you didnt go with it Tadjik.
I was considering erasing you too.

BTW I will pay anyone a million dollars if they can find a little blue R.
Good luck.

R

pay up dude!

Lmao!

R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R

There are 20 little blue Rs. $20 million please.

I'll respond to the Oda invasion thing once I've read it...

Hehe. Oda....with all the excitement over the invasion of Aust, I haven't actually occupied those territories, so you can feel free to sweep down the peninsula unopposed :p
By the time you have an army good to go, I will have 1) discovered you're invading Kiri and so are my enemy (my thread. any day now.) and 2) gathered a naval force looking that way. After all, it was that very concern of a Han invasion that made me lay claim to the peninsula in the first place.
We'll see. I'm prepared to only engage you in and around Kirisubo if you'll agree to do the same, but otherwise I will wreak whatever havoc I can with whatever force I can spare.

Now...OOCily I'm wondering if the threat to Kirisubo is so severe we pull from Aust to go and help as soon as we know ICily what is going on? Or do we stay to teach Aust a lesson, and just send what help we can to Kiri when we are able?

Stick in Aust I reckon. I will do my best to delay old Oda, dont worry.

Meh better pull out my piggy bank *blows out dust*

Note: the blockade is soon to be tested in my thread, first by a single merchant ship. I don't expect it to survive, but it happened to be in the area, and we shall see how it performs.

On Aust, that's what I reckoned, having spent so much time and effort getting there, I just wanted to check.

OOC: Aust, is a hi sepor semaphore or what?

yeah it is, we only have a expermental version on 1 or 2 ships and watchtowers, it's spreading slowly.

And you can sttick in aust if you want. the way i see it you have two chocies-seize a city. (hard) force a passsage across the great river. (harder) or attack the jungle (Just stupid). You'll be running out food in a month or two...

Ok, glad I know what it means now.

We can sieze a city, definitely. And on the supplies situation, right now you have no navy to stop food being transported from my lands, in addition to what can be taken in Aust (if we take a city, with one of these vast stockpiles you mentioned it having. You can't totally destroy a stockpile that huge before a city falls.)

Aust dont tell us what we can or cant do. We dont do it to you. And please take more care in reading posts, I answer your questions, and then ask you some but you seem to be oblivious to this.

It will be easy I think to break your blockade. We will just do it via convoys and strong naval power. You missed your best chance at hurting us by letting us land peacefully.

Also Kiri check the invasion thread, I need your Samurai horse archers.

Oda.

Ship incoming from the South. If there is a blockade, he's going to hit it soon.

I am considering having a civil war in my nation where the direct heir of the emperor and his brother fight for the throne. I am wondering how many of you would be interested in this civil war and how good does this sound?

i'll have other things to worry about IC :p but i could help if you need a neutral player to do do NPC stuff. i know a fair bit about the vikings as well

I'm far too far away IC to help/hinder/realistically interfere.
However, once the war is over, my nation will happily welcome any exiles as immigrants. Just remember, no slaves :P
OOC, I think that's a pretty cool thing to do.

Kirisubo: If I need any NPC help I will contact, but remember that my culture is like Viking society, except that slaves are considered with more care and there is more focus on group fighting.

Terror Incognitia: Alright, though the journey will be to far except for those who go aboard my larger ships.

Well, presumably you can stop off along the way. Just my nation would take people in on the longer term. Just throw it out as an idea. I'll watch the civil war with interest. :cool:

Scandinvans not a problem :)

umm, yeah, terror? could you tell me what i'm going to hit with my explorers again? i kinda forgot if you told me or not, and i need to update that at some point.

Hmm... I think I may help Kirisubo out... after all, we have met and there is some trade going on.

Any chance I could snag a bit of the Philippines for it?

Yea terror, I positioned an army in Indo-China in the case that you invade. Their purely on a defensive stance, so no need to worry about your peninsula. I think I even started building a wall across it...like the Great Wall only much shorter. Keeps the border nice and neat. :D

And I will respond to the invasion thread when I get the chance. Sry.

Aust dont tell us what we can or cant do. We dont do it to you. And please take more care in reading posts, I answer your questions, and then ask you some but you seem to be oblivious to this.

It will be easy I think to break your blockade. We will just do it via convoys and strong naval power. You missed your best chance at hurting us by letting us land peacefully.

Also Kiri check the invasion thread, I need your Samurai horse archers.
I never said what you can't do and can do, i just said what i see your options being. You can do all of those things, but it will take time.

Caladonn: by informal agreement between myself and Kirisubo (and by right of conquest) the Philippines are mine. I'm prepared to negotiate for your involvement, and part of the Philippines may be up for grab;. I just wanted to make the point it isn't Kiri's to give.
Oda/Thrashia: that's cool. I assume you'll understand if I make some purely defensive troop movements as insurance against that, as I think I trust you but can't afford to take the risk.
Angermanland: You're going to hit Dunkennen, recently (nearly, before anyone gets any ideas) emptied of warships as they all went chasing after Aust. Major port on the bottom edge of a south-east to north-west peninsula. I can give more info if you need.

Can I get an update? Ill need territorial changes and such so I can edit the map too. I need you guys to update me so I can get back into the game.

Caladonn: by informal agreement between myself and Kirisubo (and by right of conquest) the Philippines are mine. I'm prepared to negotiate for your involvement, and part of the Philippines may be up for grab;. I just wanted to make the point it isn't Kiri's to give.
Oh, don't worry. I just posed that question to the Kirisuban Defense Alliance as a whole, not just him. I know you have plans to expand into that area.

I'm interested in helping out. I'm ready for a good naval battle; I could probably send 400 ships to aid in Kirisubo's defense and counterattack on Oda. I won't fight Aust, though; he's too far away from me.

Can I get an update? Ill need territorial changes and such so I can edit the map too. I need you guys to update me so I can get back into the game.

Ostia (reallydrunk, Kirisubo and Frozopia are working on their invasion of Aust while Oda is attacking Kirisubo. And thats the most important news

Well, Caladonn, there's a diplomat in my capital, feel free to make contact when you know ICily whats going on. For that level of aid, we would certainly be prepared to do some serious negotiating.

Phil, I've taken the Philippine immediately below Wintrees. (Is Wintrees still active?) And can we have a flyspeck somewhere South East of me, cos we had to make up an island for Aust to have raided, and I'd like to see it now :D

Angermanland: You're going to hit Dunkennen, recently (nearly, before anyone gets any ideas) emptied of warships as they all went chasing after Aust. Major port on the bottom edge of a south-east to north-west peninsula. I can give more info if you need.


well, you can give me a lot more, far more detailed info... or we can do yet another "light the beacons" equivilant sceen. take your pick.

Ok. I can type out what you need here, but it's probably easier if...do you have messenger? msn, i mean.

Ok. I can type out what you need here, but it's probably easier if...do you have messenger? msn, i mean.

yeah, i'l TG you my address.

Ta. Much easier than typing it all out, cos I'd never get exactly what you wanted, and it would go round and round...

hehe. i know how that goes.

Hm am I the only one that finds it strange that the austian forces, heading to Terror originally, brought enough supplies to head to Kiriusuban instead and managed to land at almost the same time as Oda? Co-ordinating this all from 100's of miles away?

Load of crap if you ask me.

Don't worry about it. Aust is going to get creamed as they hit the beaches, so it doesnt matter how improbable it is that they're there :cool:

Hm am I the only one that finds it strange that the austian forces, heading to Terror originally, brought enough supplies to head to Kiriusuban instead and managed to land at almost the same time as Oda? Co-ordinating this all from 100's of miles away?

Load of crap if you ask me.
Shouldn't be that hard actually. My plan originally to raid Terror, this would ahve meant I need lot of supplies (Shuttling too and forth throughout his islands) My admiral then decided to continue north. This means, of course, that i will have to land and take a port to get supplies.

Yeah but after all that hassle I faced when launching a perfectly planned naval invasion from a very simialar distance....

Pisses me off.

Hey Terror, one amazing thing could come out of this. If you see Oda's invasion force, send someone in a fast ship to Frozopia: I'm sure you can get through the blockade.

My plan was actually to send a whole squadron, to bust through anything he has in the way, but apart from that, my thoughts exactly :D

Aust, regarding information on the Hizen region this will start you off.

the major settlement is is the treaty port of Nagasaki, which the Han would be familiar with as well.

theres also some outlying small islands as well before you reach the port.

they'd also have lit their beacons once the attack commenced. Each settlement would have some samurai and whatever spear armed peasants they had but defending forces will be small at this stage.

Ok, Aust...200 ships? Is modelled on my population, the fact that I have a heavy focus on the Navy (no land borders...), my prosperity and vast amount of maritime trade...and the number of ships of the line that Britain had with a rather smaller population. (Ok, in about 1800, but that's what I have figures for, and that's when they were taking full advantage of their pre-industrial resources.)
So I think I have about 250 ships of the line in total, of which 200 are facing up to you. The remaining 50 could be anywhere :D

I'm working out how many deployable soldiers would be in a fleet that size, for when I get to Kirisubo.

William the conqueror used 600 ships to invade England.
Ok they are probably nothing compared to the ships we use (and hence much more numerous) but this gave me my idea for my massive navy (despite most of it being privately owned).

Terror, exactly how big is this squadron your sending? I imagine a dozen ships. Because I now have several squadrons of my own patrolling the area where your ships would be coming in. So a little encounter would be nice.

However we have to look into something else. Why are your ships there in the first place? The reason I waited to launch this attack was because most nations would be ICly only thinking of the Austian invasion.

Are these a lost squadron searching for the Aust ships that sped north? Thats the pnly plausible reason I see now.

Hehe, if privately owned vessels in my nation were suitable for naval combat, I'd have a VAST fleet.

Of course it should be remembered, that figure only applies to the really big ships. Frigates and etc I'll work out how many I should have for 250 ships of the line if I really have to, otherwise I'm going to leave it undefined.

My squadron will probably be sent from the main force that has chased Aust all the way to Kirisubo, once I've crushed the Austian fleet and made contact with Kiri there. Take a little time. Probably a couple of ships of the line, half a dozen frigates, couple of sloops, though that may change. I'm thinking that way round, because before I'm ready to leave Kirisubo news should have spread to where my fleet is of your invasion, at which point we'll try to get work to Frozo.
While you're here, there is a ship unwittingly probing the south of your blockade in my thread.

Here is the civil war thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474234

Ok, idea, Ill link the map and everyone tell me what needs to be changed.

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/4361/ptrpworldmap3rv.png

Aust now includes all of australia, Han [OnN] now includes india [all the unclamed bits of it on that map] a lot of the nations got stripped out because they were inactive. everything in europe except scandinavia and ostia, if i remember rightly. as well as warshrike

Hyr has expanded up the western coast a ways. not sure exactly how far. Caladonn controls the northern coast of south america, Zanarkand is gone. spizania[sp] is gone, and wintres[sp] owns random islands in the carabian and pacific. not sure how long that will be though, I haven't seen any posts, but i don't check most of the threads.

for more details, ask their respective owners :)

Ok, Terror- I'll have my diplomat contact you. Perhaps a new thread would be nice though, since when I'm trying to differentiate my posts from tons of other people's who have nothing to do with me, I generally lose what I'm going to say. Heh.

I'll post a link when I have it up, if it's ok with you that I make another thread.

Also, Philanchez, I've now expanded to all of the Carribean (Since WinTrees has been really inactive) and I'm exploring Mexico, though I haven't colonised there at all.

I probably have a larger/better fleet than anyone in all modesty- after all, I'm completely naval-based, have a large population and advanced (At least shipwise) technology. 400 SOTL right here.

Ok, Terror- I'll have my diplomat contact you. Perhaps a new thread would be nice though, since when I'm trying to differentiate my posts from tons of other people's who have nothing to do with me, I generally lose what I'm going to say. Heh.

I'll post a link when I have it up, if it's ok with you that I make another thread.

Also, Philanchez, I've now expanded to all of the Carribean (Since WinTrees has been really inactive) and I'm exploring Mexico, though I haven't colonised there at all.

I probably have a larger/better fleet than anyone in all modesty- after all, I'm completely naval-based, have a large population and advanced (At least shipwise) technology. 400 SOTL right here.


ehh, i'm reasonably sure plenty of people would argue about the "larger" portion, and the "better" part, depending on what you're measureing, Terror and/or i can probilby out do you in one area or another.

the combination, however, terror is your only compitition for, i belive :D

also, Caladonn, i forget. i think i'm waiting on a responce from you in my thread, from a message about 3 pages back or something. i'll check again, might be my turn to do something and i've just missed it, but if i am waiting for you, please respond, k?

edit: ok, more than that. i Think it's the first post on page 8.

Kisbo (SP) sorry about my post in ur thread, I didn't read this one ebfore.

Terror I'm talking 120 ships of the line-that means hsips 2 decks+

This is the best map we have:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Upum/NewMap.jpg
Could you edit that someone? Theres a few things missing.

And then can Aust post it at the start of the thread.

Hey, Aust, I think i'm gonna send a diplomat your way.
What was the name of Perth? Because I think thats where he'll arrive if thats fine with you

tanka, i think.

Hm, ok. I guess I can still alter it if its wrong.

Caladonn, new thread sounds fine. I'll argue you the better ships :p but larger fleet I give you.

Aust, yes I did mean 200 ships of the line. As in I'm not including frigates and anything smaller.

Philanchez, I may have mentioned that I've taken land in the Philippines. And if we could show the peninsula South of Oda as mine, though I haven't taken possession formally yet (too much going on! Argh!)

I thought it was marked as yours already (you do after all seem to have no official colour).

I have this sort of pathetic blue that doesn't seem to show up much on the map. That's a point. Can whoever is editing the map give me a different colour? Anything will do, it would just help to see what is mine without squinting at the map.

this is the link to the map of japan that i use

www.ease.com/~randyj/japanmap.htm


its a modern day map but i'm still using the same names apart from Toyko. I'm using its old name of Edo in the RP.

Hey I was wondering, this thread could do with some filling. I mean, most of the world is empty.

So perhaps we should start a new OOC thread, because I dont think anyone is going to join a RP when the OOC thread is 90 pages long.

I will set it up and maintain it: putting current threads and current maps in the first page.

Well?

Good plan. Do it. I'll migrate as soon as it's done :D

also, Caladonn, i forget. i think i'm waiting on a responce from you in my thread, from a message about 3 pages back or something. i'll check again, might be my turn to do something and i've just missed it, but if i am waiting for you, please respond, k?

edit: ok, more than that. i Think it's the first post on page 8.
There are a lot of posts I'm responding to, but this is the first one so I'll just go from here.

Angermanland- I did actually have something trying to contact you but it kinda petered out as your thread ballooned hugely and I couldn't really keep track. We should probably just set up relations and possibly a transaction over your northern islands if you're willing.

Terror- You know, I'm just thinking, perhaps it'd be best if like one of your ships comes into Caladonn to inform your diplomats of the war on Kirisubo. That way I could respond to the war immediately and dispatch my fleet.

As for the navy thing... I think it's probable my ships are slightly better than Terror's, since I don't devote pretty much any attention to my land-bound military and thus would be able to develop a better fleet. However, I am sure that we're pretty close in quality naval-wise.

Caladonn, as long as we don't fight, the comparative qualities of our navies doesn't matter hugely. And even if we did, the vast distances involved probably mean home advantage would be crucial as a decider, not technology.
I guess I could send a messenger to inform everyone, but i don't ICily know yet....Ok. I'll send a ship with a message when I know IC that Kirisubo has been invaded.

There are a lot of posts I'm responding to, but this is the first one so I'll just go from here.

Angermanland- I did actually have something trying to contact you but it kinda petered out as your thread ballooned hugely and I couldn't really keep track. We should probably just set up relations and possibly a transaction over your northern islands if you're willing.

Terror- You know, I'm just thinking, perhaps it'd be best if like one of your ships comes into Caladonn to inform your diplomats of the war on Kirisubo. That way I could respond to the war immediately and dispatch my fleet.

As for the navy thing... I think it's probable my ships are slightly better than Terror's, since I don't devote pretty much any attention to my land-bound military and thus would be able to develop a better fleet. However, I am sure that we're pretty close in quality naval-wise.

humm. ok. i'm about to finnish up that huge bit. hehe. i tend to write very long posts.

of course "about to" is very very relitive :)

Ok. So I edited the map although I saw some posts after I uploadeed it so next time I edit it Ill make those changes.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2870/ptrpworldmap6yg.png

Ok, idea, Ill link the map and everyone tell me what needs to be changed.

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/4361/ptrpworldmap3rv.png

It doesn't include my massive landgrab to the West which was included in all previous maps. Essentially I have this amount of land now...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y21/Kutulmak/AntanjylMapExpansion1.png

The crosses being my main military fortifications. So what exactly are the Philanchez people like physically and technologically?

On an additional note I couldn't see your newer version of the map. The url didn't work.

Here is the civil war thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474234Someone show a little interest because by now the civil war should be well known.

You should probably describe how they differ in opinion. Regardless I'll make a post in the thread at Antanjyl's reaction.

Rodenka will probably try to take a hunk of your Continental holdings...

On the bottom of my post I talk about our stance. The top is essentially the Emperor honoring his passing with a funeral to the Dark Gods we worship, mainly out of fear. Its a give-take relationship, but the omens were good, and as such the human sacrifice also went off without a hitch.

I'm away from now until Sunday evening. Anything urgently requiring my attention can wait, anything else I expect will roll on happily without my contributions, and I'll expect an update on any massive changes when I get back :D

Oh and Philanchez, the link didn't work for me either.

this is the link to the map of japan that i use

www.ease.com/~randyj/japanmap.htm


its a modern day map but i'm still using the same names apart from Toyko. I'm using its old name of Edo in the RP.
ta mate.

Rodenka, your completely out of the RP for inactivity.. You will probably have to ask Phil to add you to the map if you want to be in again.
Phil that link doesnt work.

Scaninavians theres a good chance my people will never even hear of the civil war, so dont expect a response here.

I'm syill contacting peoples in the neighbourhood. We barely know anything about the war in the pacific so whatever we hear of North Europe is unreliable 'hearsay'.

Caladonn has heard about the civil war, but they probably won't do anything. They're pretty much focused on the Pacific right now.

Sry for the belated absence, but I will be missing until monday morning...so sorry. :(

Rodenka just to tell I still about 40,000 soldiers who are garrisoned in Normandy.

Hey Scandy, shouldn't you be worried about Antanjyl's land grab

Hey Scandy, shouldn't you be worried about Antanjyl's land grabNo, I am in alliance with Antanjyl.

Scand, aren't those 40,000 men going to be dragged into the civil war pretty sharpish by whoever holds their loyalty?

And is Rodenka still in this RP? He has to restake his claim on the map.

Scand, aren't those 40,000 men going to be dragged into the civil war pretty sharpish by whoever holds their loyalty?The war has not really spread yet to Normandy, due to it being a recently Valgardian settle area. To this the troops are more concerned to maintain Valgardian authority in the land then in the civil war.

Isnt that convenient?

In fairness, using the example of the Wars of the Roses, the Calais garrison stayed out of it, though they were wooed now and then, and ISTR the threat of their intervention had an effect.
But if this civil war gets really messy, all troops not engaged in actual fighting will be dragged in, and possibly even those who are.

I thin it might even be possible to bribe someof them...or convince the local populace that ROdenka is a better thing then Valgardia.

Anyway, restaking claim: Spain and what remains of France.

Ah by the way Scandavians. My thousands of soldiers that are on loan to defend your territory will remain in Europe untill the Emperor calls them back. You can consider them a neutral force to keep certain parts of your coastal territories from seeing conflict. They might also make small raids against any attacking forces.

Could someone edit the map for rodenka please?

Isnt that convenient?

Albeit he also has an equal half of that number as Antanjylian Soldiers on loan from the motherland, so that might also help them from having too strong of a view. Especially as Antanjyl has since remained neutral during the conflict, at least untill one of the princes brings something interesting onto the negotiating table.

hm true.

But yeah, should one of the princes make a decent deal the Antanjylian soldiers will stand and wait untill the Scandavians form any type of sides so they can wipe out the "enemy" before they can form anything.

Why dont you Antanjyl send some troops so Britain (or any scaninavian held territory, although this is probably the wealthiest), promising to help them and then seize the island for yourself? Your nation sounds dishonourable enough. :D

While we are dishonorable, the Valgardians offer us quite a bit in the way of ships and gunpowder. They're also our main buyers of slaves, and we have a history going back a few centuries. Besides, Britain is full of those darn Christians we had trouble wiping out in the past. Theres not much hope our Zealous governments would assist them over the Valgardian Empire.

So yeah, its more convenient. Likewise they're a wall from Europe, so should we ever go to war with those nations they would need to contend with our alliance. Should we ever suffer a slave revolt, we can likewise count on the Valgardians, and the fact that they send so many "gifts" to our Emperor only cements our friendship. Its the only nation that Antanjyl will never attack. Also we don't care much for Europe, mainly due to the religious factions that have taken over there which go against our ideals. North America is much more important to us. So while we help the Scandavians take Europe, we're also going to keep them from taking any more of North America, and will probably eventually buy it from them in exchange for helping them by lending them an even larger amount of soldiers to take more of Europe.

In short: Its safer and far more profitable as it is.

Aust: to explain what I've said in the naval battle.
I honestly don't believe that a ram on a sailing ship is practical; and I doubt that I'm the only one. If you can show me an example of it working, or even of it's being seriously tried, then fair enough. Otherwise, I cannot bring myself to accept it.
I'm happy to work together on a work-around for it, so you don't have to totally rewrite your post.

I'll accept it taking several hours to get around the islands, but I'm not sure your whole fleet will break contact because of it.

Ah by the way Scandavians. My thousands of soldiers that are on loan to defend your territory will remain in Europe untill the Emperor calls them back. You can consider them a neutral force to keep certain parts of your coastal territories from seeing conflict. They might also make small raids against any attacking forces.Thanks Antanjyl for allowing me to keep your soldiers in Normandy to defend it. As well thank you for not invading me during this time of great war. Also one of my princes will so send you an offer.

By the way Frozopia in total both sides of the civil war have 120,000 soldiers in England in total.

Aust: to explain what I've said in the naval battle.
I honestly don't believe that a ram on a sailing ship is practical; and I doubt that I'm the only one. If you can show me an example of it working, or even of it's being seriously tried, then fair enough.Just to tell you the Romans pulled it off during the final Battle of Actium.

Actually, I believe that the warships at Actium were galleys who only used sailpower during voyages, not battles- the battles were rowed.

i'm reasonably sure that it happend duering the napolonic wars, though that's a different type of ship. they would prefur to fire their guns of course, but if for some reason they couldn't, or if they needed to force the other ship into a different position, they would ram. or try to. i suspect that what often happend was that the other ship got out of the way and then got raked by cannon fire. certianly at trafalgar the british ships would have rammed the french if they hadn't moved.

i don't think it's really an intelligent tactic in a large battle, but a small scurmish? works well enough. especially if you want to board and capture, rather than sink, or as a kind of "finishing blow". one would have to be very careful about WHERE one hit though, as some points on some ships would, upon being hit, split the ramming ship in half, or at least badly munch it, rather than damageing the rammed ship.

if you're talking gallys and the like, they were BUILT to ram. that's what they did. *shrugity* though not under sail power, they would be useing their oars then.

so i'd tend to say that ramming is entirely doable, but there is a decent chance that an alert enemy will get out of the way, leaveing one or the other party decidely vulnerable to cannon or balista fire, if that is what the ships are armed with, or possibly both at point blank range to fire upon each other with full broad-sides. in the case of gallys, the most likely result is that they turn and you wipe out a good portion of the oars on that side, rather than cracking the ship in half.


of course, i don't know the actual situation you're argueing about :)

Thanks Antanjyl for allowing me to keep your soldiers in Normandy to defend it. As well thank you for not invading me during this time of great war. Also one of my princes will so send you an offer.

By the way Frozopia in total both sides of the civil war have 120,000 soldiers in England in total.

Its really only 20,000 soldiers currently. Our gaze is to the west, so unless they really need reinforcements for something, thats all the manpower Antanjyl will offer at this time. During your civil war we need to keep an eye on our own lands as well, especially with your princes fighting eachother. I'll be honest though, if the prince in charge of the North American colonies moves against us, we'll take the opportunity to seize it as a war trophy.

Alright, I will make sure not to launch any attacks upon your territory and anyway that is unlikely due to the reason that there are too few soldiers available to launch such an invasion. As well both princes remember the alliance that their father made with your nation. Yet despite this one or both of them will probably make some kind of deal with you.

Aust: to explain what I've said in the naval battle.
I honestly don't believe that a ram on a sailing ship is practical; and I doubt that I'm the only one. If you can show me an example of it working, or even of it's being seriously tried, then fair enough. Otherwise, I cannot bring myself to accept it.
I'm happy to work together on a work-around for it, so you don't have to totally rewrite your post.

I'll accept it taking several hours to get around the islands, but I'm not sure your whole fleet will break contact because of it.
The Greek triemmes (And i balive, biremes) where armed mainly with rams. They where oar powered so there steel tipped rams where there main weapons. they usually had 1 or 2 catapults on board but other than that. I'll find a source if I can. I balive that the carthginians and Romans also used them.

And i think the British expermented with it as well, in the napolianic wars, but dismissed the idea becuase you would be consatntly raked while doing it. And who said my fleets running. I'm getting out of the trap I've got myself in, but I'm forming a battleline-it's you that decided to follow me through the channel-thus giving me time to get my battleline ready and a target to aim at.

Well, so far the examples given have primarily been galleys that carry sails, rather than true sailing vessels.
However, I will accept that your ships carry rams. Just as long as you accept the substantial drop in speed that will give them.
I'll respond to that part of it in the invasion thread on those grounds.

Well, so far the examples given have primarily been galleys that carry sails, rather than true sailing vessels.
However, I will accept that your ships carry rams. Just as long as you accept the substantial drop in speed that will give them.
I'll respond to that part of it in the invasion thread on those grounds.
I'll sue it as one of the reasons why your ships are quicker than mine.

Okay people, I'm going to be having a Civil War!

The last of the Moon Kings (Goredash) is going to pass away, leaving no hiers, many of the great Goblin generals (Gritsnak, y'know the guy who discovered Kirisubo and then made various apperances throughout the Toop Moon campaign) stake there claim to the throne, this is followed by the announcement of a Noomian general claiming the throne, of course all the Goblins scoff this as being petty and foolish, of course being rightful owner of the isle of Noomi the Goblins are expelled from the profitable island, thus beggineth the Civil War, hopefully by the end the Noomians will have taken control, any takers, my allies/enemies/warmongers/mercs?

Hm. If it wernt for Aust and the upcoming Han war, I would use this time to make some land grabs. But Im sure there will be plenty of Frozopian nobles willing to sell their men to the side that pays the right price. Or you could ask King Clauro to back a side, so that Frozopia can officially decide.

Whats the difference between the Noomians and the goblins again?

Antanjyl has some ships that should be coming over through that area by now Toops. I'm thinking a small exploratory fleet, with some naval weaponry. They'll probably take up the reigns of mercenaries with their troops, as there are a few thousand that have been sent across the Western Continent(North America) to bring back knowledge and slaves. Since the only nation on that side of the Hemisphere thats ever seen the Antanjylians was Frozopia, it would give me something of a way to get involved in the hot spot of the world.

Noomians are Orcs, basically my way for making up for the fact that Goblins are piss weak, they are few and far between an average population of 100-1000? Goblins are as said piss weak but use superior numbers to swamp enemies, although it doesn't look like it but that is a fairly equal battle, especially being as the Grobbles may be persuaded to side with Noomian rule over Goblins who have tortured and punished them for so many centuries.

wow, with the Han war and the Aust war now with the civil war East has really become a violent area, not like timid West.

not like timid West.

Awwww... Well all I have to wipe out are native american tribes untill I run through Philanchez. It doesn't appear that the Valgardian Civil War will see too much of a direct involvement from Antanjyl unless we get alot of compensation for it. But yeah, the poor West, here I am enslaving North America, impaling people, and sacrificing them to our gods, while everywhere else is at peace, and in fact trading with us for slaves.


Though I'm sure that won't last long...

All Hail Blue Orc! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10649531#post10649531)

My Civil War thread.

Hm ok, but do you want a side to have Frozopian mercs fighting for them already? Because the mention of men gave me that impression. If so, what side? Bear in mind Frozopian nobles will rarely fight each other.

no, it's cos on the fringes of Toops there are Human settlements, the Toop raid these places for food, technology, weapons and occasionally slaves, it's just this King was foolish enough to use his slaves as a last line of defence, if I were you i'd go for one of the more powerful rulers, Gritsnak is so far the most powerful with lands to the west stretching just outside of the capitol Toophium, or you could go for one of the underdogs, in the Blood fields there are literally hundreds of fighting chieftains, and of course there are the severely outnumbered Noomians led by Gozfar II.

Question for Aust, is it okay if I use a now extinct creature called Aurochs as cavalry, they're basically giant bulls, not many cos they are impossible to train.

Do they even have pistols yet? I know they have small hand cannons, but flintlock weaponry is a century or two away. Also, the Antanjylians will join whoever they run across first, unless the other side ends up paying more.

Pistols are rare and salvaged off nomads (VERY rare) I remember though I think I bought 4 off some nation on Kirisubo and that cost like half my defence budget :P but no flintlock yet, making do with Long/Shortbows and the more popular Crossbow.

Ah looks like my evil side has taken over. The ruthless Darrek is going to lead a coallition of nobles, pretending alliance with one side but really to stake a claim on the lands of the south. He will have 30,000 men under his command.

My soldiers can also be bribed if its profitable enough, since theres actually no formal agreements with our people as of yet. Not that it would stop us, since our Empire is a bit self-serving. I wonder if any of the Frozopians would take notice of our distinct armor? Well in any case there are about a couple thousand men and women now there. In total there are about four to five thousand.

Hm who was the noble I sent to see Antayjl? Simon, thats the one.

I could include him in the coallition. He and Darrek both have a mutual dislike for William, and the slaves will not reach Frozopia for a long time.

Alright. By the way, do the orcs speak a butchered English? I'll have a few linguists aboard to make translations easier regardless.

They speak a cruder form of Toopish Cyrillic, kinda like Russian, but they prefer to speak in thier native Greentongue which is also commonly spoken by Grobbles, infact the Noomians are the only ones able to have a fluent convorsation with Grobbles, making them excellent spies for the Noomians.

Ah well, then understanding Antanjylian will be next to impossible. Its a language with routes in Norse, English, and Latin, though the actual language doesn't share much in common with any of them.

I'm back! And...I must say...that your troop movements are rather annoying...Kiri...since I haven't had the time to respond. However, none the less, I'll simply rp my troops as I was going to when my general laid out his plan. (should have waited a bit in my opinion)

Basic plan: A force of 40,000 men that had landed on the first day of the invasion were sent on a forced quick march east with the objective to take Kyoto.

A second army of 50,000 was prepared in the following days and is march south-east with the objective to take Osaka and destroy any army marching to Kyoto.

A small but powerful force of 1,500 heavy cavalry has been unleashed to harry all roads between Osaka and Kyoto.

A third army of 60,000 has also been prepared and sent north with the similar task of the second army.

The rest of the invasion force, some 200,000, are fortifying and holding the territory of Wakase.
=----=

I'll deal with your three ships at another time when I have it, Frozo.

I'm back! And...I must say...that your troop movements are rather annoying...Kiri...since I haven't had the time to respond. However, none the less, I'll simply rp my troops as I was going to when my general laid out his plan. (should have waited a bit in my opinion)

Basic plan: A force of 40,000 men that had landed on the first day of the invasion were sent on a forced quick march east with the objective to take Kyoto.

A second army of 50,000 was prepared in the following days and is march south-east with the objective to take Osaka and destroy any army marching to Kyoto.

A small but powerful force of 1,500 heavy cavalry has been unleashed to harry all roads between Osaka and Kyoto.

A third army of 60,000 has also been prepared and sent north with the similar task of the second army.

The rest of the invasion force, some 200,000, are fortifying and holding the territory of Wakase.
=----=

I'll deal with your three ships at another time when I have it, Frozo.


you know, the only external force i ever remember trying to conqure japan, ever, was the mongols.. and their ships sank in a storm on the way there, or something. *laughs* useually it's japan invadeing china.

long live the historical reversal!
badda badda badda :mp5:

actually the mongols tried to invade Japan twice in the 1300's.

the first time they made a beach head but couldn't get off the beach head. so they turned around and went back to China.

A few years later they had another go with a bigger fleet. They ended up being stuck on their ships when their beach head was blocked again during typhoon season and the divine winds (Kamikaze) came and destroyed the fleet.

somehow i doubt that will happen this time.

If being horribly outnumbered by the Han isn't bad enough (55,000 troops on are on their way from two different directions) its uncertain how many troops will make it. i'll need to check a map and work out where the columns could be intercepted.

by the way Oda, the southern force wasn't landed at Osaka. they were simply dropped off at the closest land fall on Honshu and are marching the rest of the way.

I'm estimating that it will take them 3 days real time to reach Kyoto unless they are engaged first.

the northern force will take a weeks real time to reach Kyoto even with a forced march so it dosen't mess up your time table.

I am new to the PT scene, and would like to lay claim to the land from the greek penninsula, to the southern shore of the North Sea, and then west to the tip of the Iberian Penninsula not already claimed.

I am new to the PT scene, and would like to lay claim to the land from the greek penninsula, to the southern shore of the North Sea, and then west to the tip of the Iberian Penninsula not already claimed.

welcome aboard!

some information about your nation would be helpful. we do have non-human races but none off them are too uber or use magic.

Oda, can we have also a reply in my thread, to testing the blockade in the south?

My thread, where the relevant ship(s) are to be found. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469653&page=14)

If being horribly outnumbered by the Han isn't bad enough (55,000 troops on are on their way from two different directions) its uncertain how many troops will make it. i'll need to check a map and work out where the columns could be intercepted.

I'll give you the map that I'm working off: Link (http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~chgis/japan/images/hall_medieval_prov.jpg)


by the way Oda, the southern force wasn't landed at Osaka. they were simply dropped off at the closest land fall on Honshu and are marching the rest of the way.

I'm estimating that it will take them 3 days real time to reach Kyoto unless they are engaged first.


:confused: That would put you the farthest possible extent away from Kyoto and in no position to help the capital. If they're coming from Kyushsu, landing at Osaka would be the most direct route to get to Kyoto. To simply land on the other side of te straits onto Honshu would put you hundreds of miles away...closest point between Honshu and Kyushu... (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Upum/MapJ1.jpg)


the northern force will take a weeks real time to reach Kyoto even with a forced march so it dosen't mess up your time table.

Mine or yours?


My men coming over the local rise and seeing Kyoto left the beach-head landing sight and marched the very day I landed. Heres the post: Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10617651&postcount=14). I was going to elaborate in a second post, but I couldn't; so I guess you can call it secret planning.

Needless to say...I'm a bit confused by your post here.www

Oda, if you've read my last post in the invasion thread it'll detail how the southern army got to the honshu mainland and the ports they used to get there.

its the Kirisuban northern army that i was talking about, not han forces.

it'll still take them a week real time to reach Kyoto giving you plenty of time to attack them.

heres the link for the map i'm using. all the place names are the same expect for Toyko which i call Edo.

www.ease.com/~randyj/japanmap.htm

By the way Aust, should your civilians be sailing north, they'll be attacked by any number of settlements. Antanjyl is amassing her forces to the West to take the continent as ruthlessly and quickly as possible. We don't have to worry about the East thanks to the Valgardians, but we still keep a modicrum of defense to not give them any ideas. So your civilians will only have the option of moving South if they know where they're going.

By the way Aust, should your civilians be sailing north, they'll be attacked by any number of settlements. Antanjyl is amassing her forces to the West to take the continent as ruthlessly and quickly as possible. We don't have to worry about the East thanks to the Valgardians, but we still keep a modicrum of defense to not give them any ideas. So your civilians will only have the option of moving South if they know where they're going.
I'd probably sail south, then travel on foot, keep in a group so as not to get attacked and set up again further down.

I am new to the PT scene, and would like to lay claim to the land from the greek penninsula, to the southern shore of the North Sea, and then west to the tip of the Iberian Penninsula not already claimed.


now, i may be wrong... but isn't that.. *thinks* Europe? as in all of it? or am i thinking of the wrong north sea? i belive someone has a claime on iberia and part of france already. and the scandinavians control northern france, and Ostia may control south-eastern france, mabey. from germany all the way to errr... almost anywhere west of india is empty though, as is most of africa.

I own most of France (minus Normandy and a bit of South-East france) and all of Spain and Portugal.

Also, i'd like to bitch about people wavine 100,000+ man armies around like it's nothing. PT logistics are not able to support such large armies for extended periods of time.

Then change mine to control the southern and western shores of the Mediteranean sea from Greece, into Turkey and the shores of the middle East, into Egypt, and along the Northern shores of Africa.

I own most of France (minus Normandy and a bit of South-East france) and all of Spain and Portugal.

Also, i'd like to bitch about people wavine 100,000+ man armies around like it's nothing. PT logistics are not able to support such large armies for extended periods of time.


han china [or the dynasty after] : 1,000,000 man standing armys. that's right. PT standard armys of over one million men. *grins* though.. they're about the only ones who should be able to do it legitiamtly. and i'll admit that the vast majority of the time that army would not all be acting as one unit. but i belive they supposeidly did at the battle of chi-bi? *shrugs* just at thought. yeah, for most though, 100, 000 men marching around or on the battle feild at the same time? it's .. a Little crazy. then again, population seems to be scaled up in this, as does navel tech, so you never know *shrugs* so long as they stay within a day of the coast they should [probibly] be ok, at least the pacific nations. that's a day on foot, btw, and that's really from supply points, and changing Those is a nightmare.


ehh.. be sensible with yoru logistics, i guess *shrugs* .. i have no idea if i'm agreeing or disagreeing anymore.

Then change mine to control the southern and western shores of the Mediteranean sea from Greece, into Turkey and the shores of the middle East, into Egypt, and along the Northern shores of Africa.


that seems.. familior. how about you say "i want byzantium!" hehe. it was quite large, but not so... strung out.. and in roughly the right area. not that byzantium as such exists in this world, but yeah. far less useless deasert, makes you less strung out, still quite large, and if you're desperate you can RP some expansion. fair enough?

it should be noted that the seuz cannal is a natural feature in this reality, so expanding past it is unlikely, however expanding around that coast and possibly west from greece/turkey untill you bump into Tadjikstan would be reasonable. err, i suggest you RP that expansion, however, as we'd love to know how you'd control such a large area.

on another note: check out my first post in my thread. it grew. a lot. there's more detail in there now, as well as an explination of the non-secret bits of my military [the secret bits have been mentioned in posts, but i'm not makeing it easy for you to find them if you don't need to :P :P ]

oh, and my exploration thread grew again. i decided that it's easyer to have other people respond as i get to them, rather htan trying to pre-orginize it and write it all myself. it's ready and waiting for terror's responce. check it out :)

Ok dude, remind me where it is (as in link to it) I lost it.:(

And Aust, really, the ramming has got to stop. It'll be fine when we're in a melee, but these guys are still in formation, acting according to plan.

Oh yeah, I think we should bear in mind, that although our population etc permits vast armies (me, 20 million, on a rough 10% for a single massive effort could have 2 million men under arms) the logistics does not permit their being in one place. As in, until the days of railways, any combination of people bigger than around 1 million people for any length of time without highly organised waterborne transport WILL face starvation. And that is best case.
In a military situation, with uncertain, attacked supply lines, it is gonna be lower. Much lower.
I better get working on a railway then :D (jk)

Then change it to the Suez Penninsula, to Turkey and Greece in the north, and out to the western border of Modern Day Iraq, with nomadic influence out to the Euphrates.

Oh yeah, Dragan Riocht, welcome. Wherever you end up established, feel free to drop in on my thread (linked somewhere up there /\) or I might visit you.
EDIT(link is the top post on this page):D

Then change it to the Suez Penninsula, to Turkey and Greece in the north, and out to the western border of Modern Day Iraq, with nomadic influence out to the Euphrates.

very reasonable :) now all that's got to happen is who ever is doing the map these days needs to put you in, and you need to start a thread for your nation and it's area of influence.

Terror: this should be the link http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=472599

Ok dude, remind me where it is (as in link to it) I lost it.:(

And Aust, really, the ramming has got to stop. It'll be fine when we're in a melee, but these guys are still in formation, acting according to plan.


if it's any consolation, Terror, if he trys that on the fleet carrying my men
ramming and boarding is the only kind of navel combat they know :)


[incidently, there should be a lot of waka being towed or sitting on the decks or whatever. err... wow. scary thought. it would only take 20 of them to hold the entire army, excepting mounts and specilist gear...]

Waka being towed is easiest. NP.
I don't mind ramming, in it's place. As in when our battle degenerates into a melee, as it inevitably will soon, he will have some opportunities to ram. But right now, it just wouldn't work. My blokes would all have to be asleep to let it happen.

Waka being towed is easiest. NP.
I don't mind ramming, in it's place. As in when our battle degenerates into a melee, as it inevitably will soon, he will have some opportunities to ram. But right now, it just wouldn't work. My blokes would all have to be asleep to let it happen.


i take it it's not night time? *laughs*

Nope. And the cannon don't load themselves, y'know. Autoloaders are expensive at this tech level :P and they still can't repel boarders and sail the ship.

Nope. And the cannon don't load themselves, y'know. Autoloaders are expensive at this tech level :P and they still can't repel boarders and sail the ship.


hehe. i'm sure if you got hold of some of my shollars they could whip up something ... obviously not true auto loaders, but perhaps something that would allow a single man to operate a cannon. *thinks* it would take up space though, and thus probibly reduce the number of canon you could have to 1/2 or 1/3, but it would then allow you to have a single man operateing two cannons, fireing them alternatly or both togeather, depending how it was set up. of course, the first hit they took would stuff the mechanisem and possible the canon as well, but that's the price you pay. *grins* just a thought. with a lack of workable metals and things that stem from them, my guys have had to get Very good at working with mechanisems and such for their engenearing projects.

of course, teh R&D would probibly take a while, especially as my guys still don't actually know about cannons. you just introduced them to ranged weaponary at all :P

Here is the thread establishing my nation.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10663806#post10663806

This is the PT world, formed on the 6th on january 2006. Welcome. Your free to join our users in creating a nation and claiming your spot on the map. Rules are available, just TG me for them

Related threads


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=462780 Main Thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467366 Aust/Frozopian War
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469653 Terror Incognitia
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=468984 Zanarkaand
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=465079 Angermanland
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=468047 Toops/OnN War
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469155 Kilani
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467592 Oda noh Nobunaga
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=468069 Invading India
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=464780 Aust
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469168 Hyr
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469120 Invading India


Map
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Upum/NewMap.jpg
where you get that map? (ima noob in RP)

where you get that map? (ima noob in RP)

...we made it...thats rather odd as well, to just enter a thread and ask a question without any sort of reasoning other than "ima noob in rp". Very strange New-lexington, you are. (:P)

...we made it...thats rather odd as well, to just enter a thread and ask a question without any sort of reasoning other than "ima noob in rp". Very strange New-lexington, you are. (:P)


on the other hand, now we don't have to check the first page for the [now somewhat obsolete, i belive] threadlist :)

I haven't read the front page in ages. Is that what it looks like now? :D

Hadn't realised this had been going since January either. Whoa. Don't time just fly when you're having fun :cool:

Ok Aust could you add the current map to the first page:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Upum/NewMap.jpg
Could someone please edit it for rodenka and the new guy? I would but I have nowhere to host it.

Also Terror, dont let Aust overuse greek fire. Im not an expert on it, but Im pretty sure that they would have run out by now, for from what I read in the wiki testimony, it was not used frequently (e.g. not every few minutes).

I'd like to try Past Tech. Could I join this?

I dont see why not. Stake a claim on the map (it needs some editting so check no-one else has that land despite the space seeming empty.)

Well then, could I claim the island west of South America?

Sure.

I think i'm gonna jump into the war, seems to be the only way to keep contact going especially since all diplomatic encounters so far seem to die out fairly quickly.

Tadjik, what would you think about allying? Seems natural thing to do.

Oh yeah, I think we should bear in mind, that although our population etc permits vast armies (me, 20 million, on a rough 10% for a single massive effort could have 2 million men under arms) the logistics does not permit their being in one place. As in, until the days of railways, any combination of people bigger than around 1 million people for any length of time without highly organised waterborne transport WILL face starvation. And that is best case.
In a military situation, with uncertain, attacked supply lines, it is gonna be lower. Much lower.
I better get working on a railway then :D (jk)
If you sailing throught e gaps in my line- and my ships are aligned

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Then why shouldn't I sue my rams, thats what there for. You sail in front of one of my shisp and I'll try to ram you. I don't exactly leave massive gaps between my ships in my line, do I.

Point I'm making is, you don't just say "Oh yeah I rammed you." You say "the Austian ships put on more speed to ram", then I get a bit of warning, some of my guys get away and some of them get rammed; the problem comes when the first you mention of it is "they got rammed". I wouldn't say of your men "They got shot with arrows." I'd say I fired the arrows, and then let you rp the effect of the arrows. Likewise, I'd appreciate it if you say you're trying to ram; then let _me_ rp the results.

Ok Aust could you add the current map to the first page:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/Upum/NewMap.jpg
Could someone please edit it for rodenka and the new guy? I would but I have nowhere to host it.Out of plain curiosity is it me or are we missing a lot of the smaller islands?

Out of plain curiosity is it me or are we missing a lot of the smaller islands?

hahahaha....yea

Point I'm making is, you don't just say "Oh yeah I rammed you." You say "the Austian ships put on more speed to ram", then I get a bit of warning, some of my guys get away and some of them get rammed; the problem comes when the first you mention of it is "they got rammed". I wouldn't say of your men "They got shot with arrows." I'd say I fired the arrows, and then let you rp the effect of the arrows. Likewise, I'd appreciate it if you say you're trying to ram; then let _me_ rp the results.

Its true, you are doing what can only be called Godmodding, giving the enemy no time at all to form a counter manouver to your own.

Tadjik, what would you think about allying? Seems natural thing to do.

Yes so it seems,

Point I'm making is, you don't just say "Oh yeah I rammed you." You say "the Austian ships put on more speed to ram", then I get a bit of warning, some of my guys get away and some of them get rammed; the problem comes when the first you mention of it is "they got rammed". I wouldn't say of your men "They got shot with arrows." I'd say I fired the arrows, and then let you rp the effect of the arrows. Likewise, I'd appreciate it if you say you're trying to ram; then let _me_ rp the results.
I never Rped the results, i said that i rammed you, and my plans for that afterwards. I'm fine with letting some ships get through the line. And I don't mind it if you say your arrows shot my men, generally thats what arrows do. I was udner the impression that his men had already sdailed through my line (I balive you said you'd fired your broadside) I had not diea that your ships where ven approching my ine, i though you where still mixing it with my rearguard.

The broadsides did tremendous damage to the Austian ships, each ball killing tens of Asutians and unseating bastilla. However now the flaw in the enermys plan was clear. The Austians where sailing down wind, and the great rams on the front of the ships now crunched into the enermys bottoms, beneath the waterline. This mean that unless the enermy could plug the gap quickly there ships would sink, already water would be rushing in.
The Admiral had foreseen this and planned for it. The barrels of greek fire-on the topdeck of the Asutian ships to coat the bastilla arrows. Now it was dragged to the foredeck of the ships, lit and then tipped onto the enermy ship, setting alight. The Austians now had to disentangle themselves from there enermy.

The bold bits are results of what happens to my ships because you assume the ramming is successful. That isn't plans, you're RPing the actions as they occur.

Oh yeah, I apologise for using the term line loosely.
In my mind, I have one rammed, sinking frigate involved with your main body, one frigate running away from your main body, my main fleet moving towards your main fleet (not there yet); and 20 engaging your rearguard. I have been using the term line for the rearguard because you said they were in line formation.
My impression was the rearguard were going across the wind, as the wind was going down the channel, and your rearguard line was across it.

The bold bits are results of what happens to my ships because you assume the ramming is successful. That isn't plans, you're RPing the actions as they occur.
I think you'll reamber that this was just a draft post, I had no tiem last night. I did do a long (3 pages on Word) post and put it up but my PC died, so i posted a quick rundown there. i think i explaiend it OOC:(?) I was under the impression that the win was blwoing down the channel and my rearguard where sailing with the wind towards my main battleline.

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The A's being my ships and K's yours Thus the only way for you to hit my rear guard would be to sail, tacking <---- way, into my double line of fleeing ships.

Could do with a better form of diagram, but we have the two islands
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Between them was your entire fleet.
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I approached coming downwind
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You ran away
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Some of mine pursued into the channel. These are the 20 fighting your rearguard. So in sailing into the channel, they are still approaching downwind.
You posted that your rearguard had turned to face my ships, and formed a line across the channel. That is what I was attacking.
That's what I thought, anyway. I'm sure my ships are attacking downwind, as they have been throughout.

Could do with a better form of diagram, but we have the two islands
@..............@
Between them was your entire fleet.
@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@
I approached coming downwind
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Wind \/
@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx@
You ran away
@xxxxxxxxxxxxx...@
xx
Some of mine pursued into the channel. These are the 20 fighting your rearguard. So in sailing into the channel, they are still approaching downwind.
You posted that your rearguard had turned to face my ships, and formed a line across the channel. That is what I was attacking.
That's what I thought, anyway. I'm sure my ships are attacking downwind, as they have been throughout.
I thought the wind was left to right, down the channel----->

My men where running that way and forming a battleline once they got out. Your ships where going roud the other way, while your 20 where sailing where I had been.

We can agree the wind is along rather than across the channel, and it is blowing from where my fleet started to where yours started. Yes?
Your fleet was going downwind to form a battle-line. My 20 were pursuing them, also downwind. And yes, my main fleet was going round the islands rather than through.
Agreed on all that?

We can agree the wind is along rather than across the channel, and it is blowing from where my fleet started to where yours started. Yes?
Your fleet was going downwind to form a battle-line. My 20 were pursuing them, also downwind. And yes, my main fleet was going round the islands rather than through.
Agreed on all that?
I think so. I still don't see how you hit my battleline, my rearguard arn't in a battleline.

You said 15 ships, with more coming, forming a line, who then fired on ships of mine - I said my only ships close enough to contact you were the 20 going for the rearguard, was this who you meant, you said yes, so I added 2 and 2 to make the ships firing on me the rearguard, in line.

Shall we start this whole battle again from your ships raising anchor and going away to form a battle line the other side of the islands? It seems to have been a shambles of misunderstanding ever since.

Yes so it seems,


actually, the Logical thing would be to encourage revolts in the newly conqured territorys of india, and possibly anywhere else you can, and then, while he's dealing with those and still dealing with kirisubo[sp] to attack OnN from the west [that being where you are] tie up enough of his troops, and you stand a good chance of makeing significant gains. if he's getting expansionist, allying and helping him, when he's already the biggest power out there, is the Least logical move.

I happen to think Oda needs challenging, and I would think so even if I weren't allied with a country he is invading.
Tadjik, what happened to your alliance with Ostia? Think what happens when Ostia, fighting Oda in Kirisubo, finds out you're helping Oda...

Sure.

Well then, I'll start building an army.

Are Large avian creatures allowed. Roc's, Griffins, Hippogriffs, etc.

When I joined this RP, I expected it to be a fairly realistic RP, requring realistic logistics, numbers, lack of magic, etc. Apparently not. Apparently, the Valgadarians can live three times as long as normal humans and can keep 15,00 people in a fort designed for 5,000. So much for realism. All I have to say is that that shit is fucked up.

I'm out, until these and other serious problems are fixed. Have a good one.

I was wondering if I would be able to RP as the Wendols. Basicly, we're a Neanderthal-like race. If you've ever read Eaters of the Dead or seen the movie The 13th Warrior, then you'll know what I'm talking about.

Basicly, we're Neanderthals that survived extinction. So, nothing magical, mystical, mumbo-jumboish, etc. We do have a tendency to scare the crap out of people...but, I'll get into that later.

I was just wondering if there was any desolate area in the far North that was available for RPing as the Wendols.

Thanks.

- Wendols

EDIT: I read that if you want to join, it's good to claim land. Well, if I can join, I have penciled in a modest tract of land I wish to own:

Here it is:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d5/Lord_Gabon/Wendol/WendolMapRough.jpg

A better close-up (next to the Scandenavians)

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d5/Lord_Gabon/Wendol/wendolsmap2.jpg

When I joined this RP, I expected it to be a fairly realistic RP, requring realistic logistics, numbers, lack of magic, etc. Apparently not. Apparently, the Valgadarians can live three times as long as normal humans and can keep 15,00 people in a fort designed for 5,000. So much for realism. All I have to say is that that shit is fucked up.

I'm out, until these and other serious problems are fixed. Have a good one.Dude, you do know that there are fricken Orcs in this thread and well my fortress is hard stretched and in fact if you had waited I would have actually had made my forces make a desperate plea to ride out due to that. As well in my beginning post if you recall my emperor died when he was nearly FOUR HUNDRED years old.

I happen to think Oda needs challenging, and I would think so even if I weren't allied with a country he is invading.
Tadjik, what happened to your alliance with Ostia? Think what happens when Ostia, fighting Oda in Kirisubo, finds out you're helping Oda...

I've made contact with a couple nations, offered some stuff but never got anything in return, not even the promesse that i'd get something out of a cooperation.
I'm not afraid of anyone attacking me anyway, the nature of the land and people guarantee me that I can hold out for quite a while.

I'm free to go where I wish, I'll make a new thread soon in which i'm presenting a slighty reorganized army. Then i'll decide what side I'll help in the war.

When I joined this RP, I expected it to be a fairly realistic RP, requring realistic logistics, numbers, lack of magic, etc. Apparently not. Apparently, the Valgadarians can live three times as long as normal humans and can keep 15,00 people in a fort designed for 5,000. So much for realism. All I have to say is that that shit is fucked up.

I'm out, until these and other serious problems are fixed. Have a good one.

I tend to think that my emperor and his family live a long life too, a bit like the Kings of Gondor(whom are of Numenorean descendance) in LotR, The only real advantage is that I dont have to come up with new names for lords and kings too often. I dont think there's a problem with it as long as they are still RP as human beings.

Dude, you do know that there are fricken Orcs in this thread

yeah but I'm thinking of turning Human after the end of my Blue Orc RP, gonna ride down the side of assassin type nation, maybe give up the land in Siberia cos it's not doing me any good, I'll talk more on this when I've decided what I'm gonna do.

well... that was potentually damageing.. i was under the impression that the extra life was restricted to the ruling family.. we have several non-human races actually, and the tech level is kind of skewed all over the place... populations are oversized for the area, and yet somehow there are still large tracts of empty land most places...

but.. yeah.. so far as i was aware, realizem was the goal....? occasionaly it is... adjusted for the sake of expidancy.. but that should only happen when agreed upon by all concerned.

still, i'm curious as to why the first post i have seen from Rodenka other than set up stuff is an "i quite" and "you all suck" style message. it can't be the first issue, i suspect, so i for one would like to know what else was built up on top of it to cause such a responce.

on the other hand, if that Was all, and you quit over it rather than trying to resolve it here, then i can't say i'm sorry to see you leave. heh.. on the other hand, i can see why you would. some of this lot can be very... irritateing at times. myself included :)

Dude, you do know that there are fricken Orcs in this thread and well my fortress is hard stretched and in fact if you had waited I would have actually had made my forces make a desperate plea to ride out due to that. As well in my beginning post if you recall my emperor died when he was nearly FOUR HUNDRED years old.


^^^^^^^^

really, Really not helping if you're trying to convince him not to quit, you know.

some of this lot can be very... irritateing at times.

"Grobbles Attack!!!"

"Bleeh blah blah bloo plip wibble!"

"Grobbles Attack!!!"

"Bleeh blah blah bloo plip wibble!"

that too.
(So not what i was refuring to :P )

that too.
(So not what i was refuring to :P )

yeah but any excuse to use and maim Grobbles is fine by me, k, another note, I've been doing some research on Assassins and have been thinking about the perfect way to carry it out, I'm about ready to start using an Assassin nation, only thing holding me back is the Blue Orc thread and the fact that I havn't even reached the firey turning point.

Hmm...well you know, I think I explained what would happen if a war was to spring between me and kirisubo. It pretty much covered all theatres of possible conflict and dealt with Tadjik as well.

I would offer him a free hand in the far west, even to go so far as to help him control Egypt, Mesopotamia, etc. And further north into some fertile areas of land there in the Caucaus.

Not to mention that trade between our two nations would be more beneficial than fighting.

And I've occupied India for about a year + some right now. I've begun fortifying my side of the Indus, and I've had my best and brightest of the Commissariat go in...theres not much rebellion to be had. They're all dead if they were there in the beginning.

Hmm...well you know, I think I explained what would happen if a war was to spring between me and kirisubo. It pretty much covered all theatres of possible conflict and dealt with Tadjik as well.

I would offer him a free hand in the far west, even to go so far as to help him control Egypt, Mesopotamia, etc. And further north into some fertile areas of land there in the Caucaus.

Not to mention that trade between our two nations would be more beneficial than fighting.

And I've occupied India for about a year + some right now. I've begun fortifying my side of the Indus, and I've had my best and brightest of the Commissariat go in...theres not much rebellion to be had. They're all dead if they were there in the beginning.


you'd be surprised what can simmer under the serface. i mean, seriously, who expected the current situation in iraq? [beyond the whole thing screwing up and not working out right.. that was a forgon conclusion, almost.] just as an example. get the right agitators in the right places.. words can do strange things to mobs. as can symbols. of course, it's unlikely they'd be successful, and i belive you were only getting 100 feet a month or something with the expansion of the wall? last i looked, at least. never the less, they would serve to keep the garison busy.

anyway, it was simply one of meny potentual ideas :) and i'm not the one who has to impliment any of them...

Well, Tadjik, I would have offered you something, I just didn't think you were going to jump in, and obviously misread your deal with Ostia.
I might send a diplomat, see what we can thrash out. (No pun intended on Thrashia there)
Obviously you can go where you wish. I might be interested in helping you, um, reassess your interests, so you join us. I could see a major coalition war on Oda being great fun :D

Well, Tadjik, I would have offered you something, I just didn't think you were going to jump in, and obviously misread your deal with Ostia.
I might send a diplomat, see what we can thrash out. (No pun intended on Thrashia there)
Obviously you can go where you wish. I might be interested in helping you, um, reassess your interests, so you join us. I could see a major coalition war on Oda being great fun :D

it would certianly be interesting and challangeing. and messy. heh.. i would like to get involved.. but i think Chargone would like a certian degree of denighability. fortunatly by our deal that 1000 man army is actually working under a mercinary contract, not an alliance agreement. of course, that's purely for deniability's sake, and it does mean you can use them for pretty much anything they don't refuse to do of their own initiative. meanwhile, whatever happend to those traders who were learning the Angerman tounge?

Wendols that does sound good. Add yourself to the world map (and you can host it) assuming there are no objections.

Dragon Riocht you cant really have any of those beasts. Any sort of fantasy is extremely restricted.

Interesting and challenging and messy, sounds good. There would be armies and wars kicking off ALL over the place.
I mean, if I had to I would fight Oda alone, but 1) I don't think I would have to, and 2) Just because I would fight doesn't mean I'd go picking the fight. It's just...he's so huge, I can't help but be somewhat intimidated.

why Intimidated, I fought him and I didn't do too badly.

why Intimidated, I fought him and I didn't do too badly.


small question: did you actually face an army or just guards, and did you ever make it past the wall? better yet, i'd like to see the casualty ratios :P

small question: did you actually face an army or just guards, and did you ever make it past the wall? better yet, i'd like to see the casualty ratios :P

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=468047

it's all in there, I tried to blow it up with balls of Gunpowder, failed, mega failed.

Why intimidated? Because to win, or even achieve an honourable, if costly, stalemate, I would have to overcome hundreds of thousands of men. Even an army of that many all-conscripted peasant spearmen would take some dealing with.
Don't get me wrong, it's not impossible, just it would consume all my efforts for the duration. I let the Aust war do that, and I'm not sure it was the best of ideas.

anywho, completely unrelated, I'm thinking about a shock ending to the end of my Civil war, I was thinking Tsunami, there might not be a fault line in Siberia (is there? I dunno) but this is a different world, anywho, Tsunami comes and wipes away Orcs and Gobbos, Humies settlement are too far from the sea and take the land and name Toops, this all cool?

One problem. Tsunami would heavily affect everyone across the Western Pacific, ie from Frozo to Aust via me, Kiri and Oda. With the amount of fleets around there, I'm not sure I'm happy to have a massive tsunami sweeping across the area.
The idea of ending it by wiping out the non-humans I have no problem with.

anywho, completely unrelated, I'm thinking about a shock ending to the end of my Civil war, I was thinking Tsunami, there might not be a fault line in Siberia (is there? I dunno) but this is a different world, anywho, Tsunami comes and wipes away Orcs and Gobbos, Humies settlement are too far from the sea and take the land and name Toops, this all cool?


if that were to have any effect on anyone other than you, most would call it godmoding, you know :P meh, it's just a map edit to me... though there is more than just the whole faultline thing soping you getting hit by tsunami up there.

One problem. Tsunami would heavily affect everyone across the Western Pacific, ie from Frozo to Aust via me, Kiri and Oda. With the amount of fleets around there, I'm not sure I'm happy to have a massive tsunami sweeping across the area.
The idea of ending it by wiping out the non-humans I have no problem with.

hmm, then I need another metheod of mass genocide in a short period of time, can't have them kill eachother.

hold that thought just had na idea, k, ignore the Tsunami idea.

hmm, then I need another metheod of mass genocide in a short period of time, can't have them kill eachother.

hold that thought just had na idea, k, ignore the Tsunami idea.
Mewtor stirke, your orcs so how about a good old plague. Thatw on't affect us.

Mewtor stirke, your orcs so how about a good old plague. Thatw on't affect us.

k, gonna reveal my idea, it'll solve three problems at once, with the assistance of Frozopia (who i'm pretty sure is gonna betray me and try to sieze power) the Goblins are fought into their thousands, leaving a small amount, the new Human King will order the training of hunters to hunt down the survivors, then when Frozopia attempts to sieze power the Humans leave on a mass exodus (maybe leave the lands to Frozo, dunno if that'll be okay) I've yet to find lands for my people to settle but boy will it be fun, anywho, continuing with the hunter heritage the land becomes fascinated with poisons and toxins and eventually turn to assassination, my plan.

Liking the plague idea. Combined with war, a poor harvest, etc, that could bring them so close to destruction that your humans could waltz to victory. Then all you need is for there to have been one massive atrocity by orcs against humans, so the humans wipe them out.

Lands to settle, there's still plenty of empty space on the map, all you gotta do is get there.

Lands to settle, there's still plenty of empty space on the map, all you gotta do is get there.

I'm thinking of the Arabian peninsula.

Heh. With a suitable deal, we could take (a lot of) your people straight there.

Heh. With a suitable deal, we could take (a lot of) your people straight there.

no, I quite like the idea of a floating population not sure where the're going, meeting random encounters along the way, having to deal with poor morale and hunger, it'll add to the hoped darkness I want to obtain from my reformed nation.

of course, between frozopia and the great wall of Han, you're only real choice is to go west through some of the worst terrain and landscape and stuff north of antarctica :P

from russia with love, so to speak.

That's fair enough. We'll just sell you stuff when you arrive. What sort of size population are you thinking of having migrate?

That's fair enough. We'll just sell you stuff when you arrive. What sort of size population are you thinking of having migrate?

well judging from the fact that the settlements outside of Toops have been culled majorly recently and a lot of Humans have been sent to thier death by the hands of Graasha then I'm gonna say around 1,000-2,000 to start with and maybe around 5,000 when I reach Aldera- Arabia.

well judging from the fact that the settlements outside of Toops have been culled majorly recently and a lot of Humans have been sent to thier death by the hands of Graasha then I'm gonna say around 1,000-2,000 to start with and maybe around 5,000 when I reach Aldera- Arabia.

i take it you're planing to avoid the russian winter somehow.

i take it you're planing to avoid the russian winter somehow.

well, they are Russian, Siberian no less, they bathe in freezing cold water, if that doesn't satisfy then I'll be RPing in casualties just another part to the great adventure.

well, they are Russian, Siberian no less, they bathe in freezing cold water, if that doesn't satisfy then I'll be RPing in casualties just another part to the great adventure.

fair enough, fair enough. but if they're human, well, even the best adjusted human without a well built home can freeze to death in the night. so i'll be interested to see how they get around it, taht's all.

Okay, I'm still wondering if I'm allowed to join...since no one seemed to reply to my first post.

Again, I took a location on the blank map that's in part of Russia, if that's alright.

The Wendols are an off-shoot of Neanderthals - sacrificing a bit of their physical prowess for intelligence. On average, a Wendol is slightly less intelligent than a Homo Sapiens, but they're definately better conditioned for wintery environments. Thus, I can operate and make more complex tools, but most of my tech/other stuff I'm going to be swiping from those around us.

Please can someone confirm/deny/yell at me about whether or not I can even RP here, or if my claim is acceptable?

Thanks a bunch,

The Wendols

but there was a response

Wendols that does sound good. Add yourself to the world map (and you can host it) assuming there are no objections.

Dragon Riocht you cant really have any of those beasts. Any sort of fantasy is extremely restricted.

Indeed.
Toops look forward to seizing the more wealthy southern of your Kingdom.
Hope ya dont mind :D

southern of your empire.

Kingdom

true true.

Indeed.
Toops look forward to seizing the more wealthy southern of your Kingdom.
Hope ya dont mind :D

Hope you don't mind the fighting-back...

...the Wendols don't fight in the normal way. You may sieze land, but you'll be hard-pressed to hold it. I'll tellegram you about the details...maybe we can work something interesting out. Honestly, though, I don't care if I win or not: I just want to have a good time playing it out.

-The Wendols

PS: Look for a "fact book" soon enough...

but there was a response

Ah, and yes...well, I'm a numb-nut...

Hope you don't mind the fighting-back...

...the Wendols don't fight in the normal way. You may sieze land, but you'll be hard-pressed to hold it. I'll tellegram you about the details...maybe we can work something interesting out. Honestly, though, I don't care if I win or not: I just want to have a good time playing it out.

-The Wendols

PS: Look for a "fact book" soon enough...

Dude, Frozo was talking to me, he's right this very minute subduing my peoples.

Indeed. Toops how am I going to go about this?
I mean, am I to move onto the capital now and lay siege, or is something else going to happen?

I'm waiting for you to move onto the Capitol, Gritsnak is still fighting off the last of Graashas truly loyal followers and has enslaved much of the Human guards.

Ok. What kinda city is it? Walled? River? Coastal?

A nice description and I will post what the Frozopians come across.

k, but I suck at dramatic descriptions, Toophium is located at the center of a velly, in the low flood plains, the ground is thick with clay and on either side are steep hills, on the Western wall of the valley is the Royal Caves, throughout the plains are simple roundhouses and in other places are small localised fires, Graashas forces have lined up at the top of the Eastern wall and are holding off Gritsnaks forces, Gritsnak has control of the City itself and has 2 trebuchets bombarding Graashas position, Graasha is of course dead but anywho, there are about 1,000 Humans 2,000 Goblins Graasha and Gritsnak respectivly.

Welcome Wendols. Interesting having Neanderthals. Just one question, why?
Actually, three. Will they be able to breed with standard humans? And what would the results look like?

Will they be able to breed with standard humans? And what would the results look like?

If they're the standard Human Neanderthal then they should, the result will be a little less different from Modern Humanity, interesting fact is that the Neanderthals were both Bi and Left handed wheras the Homo-Sapiens were mostly Straight and mostly Right handed, so Left handed people are actually more likely to be gay/bi.

Where do you get this alleged link between handedness and sexuality?
Meh?