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The AU is going to close some of the NOP's waterways!?!?!

OUR waterways, the NOP just happens to use 'em. And glassing a nation because they close their own waterways doesn't look very non-aggressive.

Edit, I believe I made it clear that it was hypothetical, and Yani was pretty definite in saying that he'd go Kamikaze with nukes if the waterways were closed.

Hmm, A first strike can be countered by a mass launch of SLBM from the subs stationed at those underwater submarine pens. Each of my Missile subs carries 48 SLBM, and each missile has 14 warheads with 450 kilotons per warhead. So per sub I can hit you with 672 warheads. Say I launch from 50 of my 125 Ballastic Missile subs that is 33,600 450 kiloton warheads. Or 15,120 megatons. From not even half of my sub force. I doubt you'd ever recover from that without massive wanking.

I never said I would recover. That's the point of a Kamikaze, I may go down, but so will you. I have second strike capability as well, so in a nuclear fight, both of us are screwed.

Hectonia: I know it was a joke, I was only being semi-serious, because obviously you aren't gonna go into a one on one.

Nobody in the region wants a war. Least of all me.

Um, he said if I tried to blockade him, he'd nuke me. So I said that would result in a massive counterstrike.

and blockading him in the first place wouldn't be aggressive?

OUR waterways, the NOP just happens to use 'em.

Really? Says who?

And also, as you are fond of pointing out, any nuking is purely hypothetical and is hinged on AU aggression.

and blockading him in the first place wouldn't be aggressive?

Not worthy of a glassing, though. Perhaps an international appeal, but not the murder of billions of people.

Don't get your pineapples delivered on time? Genocide all the way!

and blockading him in the first place wouldn't be aggressive?

supplying insurgents in AU territory could be seen as aggressive.

OUR waterways, the NOP just happens to use 'em. And glassing a nation because they close their own waterways doesn't look very non-aggressive.

Edit, I believe I made it clear that it was hypothetical, and Yani was pretty definite in saying that he'd go Kamikaze with nukes if the waterways were closed.

Obviously not clear enough. I am talking about a war with Binaria. And since he probably wont take my shooting at his blockades nicely, I assume that's where it would end up.

supplying insurgents in AU territory could be seen as agressive.

It sure would, but seeing as the NOP hasn't...

Obviously not clear enough. I am talking about a war with Binaria. And since he probably wont take my shooting at his blockades nicely, I assume that's where it would end up.

Sorry, thought we were talking about if Hectonia and Binaria closed off their waters to stop NOP trade going through 'em.

I never said it wasn't. But thats like Frank calling Tom's mom a whore and Tom throwing Frank into a wood chipper, feet first.

ROFL XD

I never said it wasn't. But thats like Frank calling Tom's mom a whore and Tom throwing Frank into a wood chipper, feet first.

Yeah, what's your point? That you can bully nations and expect them not to "over react"?

Pretty fun how when I pointed out that the AU is just a bunch of warmongers you all got defensive... and now you all are talking about blockades again and launching warheads.

Um, he said if I tried to blockade him, he'd nuke me. So I said that would result in a massive counterstrike.

Sorry, thought we were talking about if Hectonia and Binaria closed off their waters to stop NOP trade going through 'em.

Perhaps, hypothetically, the NOP does not recognize such waters as belonging to anyone.

[QUOTE=Yanitaria] I never said I would recover. That's the point of a Kamikaze, I may go down, but so will you. I have second strike capability as well, so in a nuclear fight, both of us are screwed.[QUOTE]

Unless you hit all of my colonies aswell, (which are very far away) I can still have some what of a nation, just a lot less people.

Yeah, what's your point? That you can bully nations and expect them not to "over react"?

Yes. If they truly were peaceful nations then genocide may be seen as a bit unjust.

Yes. If they truly were peaceful nations then genocide may be seen as a bit unjust.

Maybe, but faced with economic isolation and a slow death it might be the only way. And given the fact that the AU had caused an unsolicited conflict in the first place perhaps the AU would be seen as a bit unjust.

and blockading him in the first place wouldn't be aggressive?

I never said it wasn't. But thats like Frank calling Tom's mom a whore and Tom throwing Frank into a wood chipper, feet first.

No, i would expect them to react sanely. And Blockades happen because the pople that are getting blockade did something that pissed off the person doing the blockade.

The NOP is just sitting around forming economic relationships... but if that justifies blockades then so be it. Your nation is the biggest so presumably you are right.

Whats that suppose to mean?

That you can do what you want.

Yeah, what's your point? That you can bully nations and expect them not to "over react"?

No, i would expect them to react sanely. And Blockades happen because the pople that are getting blockade did something that pissed off the person doing the blockade.

The NOP is just sitting around forming economic relationships... but if that justifies blockades then so be it. Your nation is the biggest so presumably you are right.

Whats that suppose to mean?

wow. Major time warps.

Jesus, your post was smothered by a billion others. If Yani does get blockaded, remember that my nation is huge, and to blockade my nation you're going to need hundreds of thousands if not millions of ships. Also, if you blockade Yani, remember that I also have nuclear weapons, able to be launched from silos hidden throughout the country. I'm currently designing one, as well.

On another note, being warmongering is not going to look good in the AU's public image, you know.

Jesus, your post was smothered by a billion others. If Yani does get blockaded, remember that my nation is huge, and to blockade my nation you're going to need hundreds of thousands if not millions of ships. Also, if you blockade Yani, remember that I also have nuclear weapons, able to be launched from silos hidden throughout the country. I'm currently designing one, as well.

On another note, being warmongering is not going to look good in the AU's public image, you know.

A blockade doesn't need to cover every signle square meter of coastline. With your postions I could do it with a 600-800 ships. Simply station them in Adgean Sea and your ships can't go anywhere. Sure you could ship them overland to Corbournne, but then they would have to pass through the Binarian Straights. I would let them through, but with very high tarrifs.

They could all ship through a neutral nation. They couldn't ship military supplies through the Beatus, but other things could be shipped. Or, even better, they could fly what ever they need to move, as long as it is not that big.

if you blockade Yani, remember that I also have nuclear weapons, able to be launched from silos hidden throughout the country. I'm currently designing one, as well.
You're threatening to nuke us if we blockade Yani even though the whole reason it would be put in place would be to ensure he keeps his nose out of the AU domestic affairs?
Looking to initiate a Nuclear holocaust because they're not being allowed sell weapons to terrorists may also be bad for NOP's public image.

I believe that everyone is aware of everyone else's military power and geographic positioning so are all these hypotheticals really necessary? I am not speaking directly to any nation, rather to both AU and NOP nations. As a member of the NOP we do not take kindly to perceived "threats" from the AU be they militaristic, economic, or political. Likewise, I am sure that the AU does not wish to be "threatened" by the NOP.

I say that we urge our national leaders to cool their tempers and clear their heads before commenting further on "hypothetical" situations, as it is often the fear of a certain situation that causes the most fear, and therefore aggression.

They could all ship through a neutral nation. They couldn't ship military supplies through the Beatus, but other things could be shipped.

True, but because you are so far norht, the increase of ships going through will mean you have widen the ice filled shipping lanes, which means more icebreakers.

Or, even better, they could fly what ever they need to move, as long as it is not that big

Yes, but flying all of your cargo means you have shift fuel refining to higher octane fuels, meaning that you have less gasoline and desiel production, making both more expensive, driving up other costs aswell, causing inflation. So, instead of just affecting one or two countries with a blockade, we've affected half of the NOP.

I believe that everyone is aware of everyone else's military power and geographic positioning so are all these hypotheticals really necessary? I am not speaking directly to any nation, rather to both AU and NOP nations. As a member of the NOP we do not take kindly to perceived "threats" from the AU be they militaristic, economic, or political. Likewise, I am sure that the AU does not wish to be "threatened" by the NOP.

I say that we urge our national leaders to cool their tempers and clear their heads before commenting further on "hypothetical" situations, as it is often the fear of a certain situation that causes the most fear, and therefore aggression.

None of this is in-character. It is all out of chrarcter. Do you really think I'd talk about the details of my Ballistic missile subs in IC?

None of this is in-character.

Yeah, obviously.

Your last post seemed to indicate that you thought it was IC.

I was under the impression this was an ooc signup/claims thread.

Yeah, obviously.

Your last post seemed to indicate that you thought it was IC.

*grabs popcorn* this ought to be good

Well put Stok. the NOP has little reason to venture westward. We have found that sufficient trade can currently be found between NOP members.

If this is only EA, then there's no way in hell you're getting into my Caspian Sea. I can still trade through that. Unless you have flying ships, upon which I will use my Ignoratus missiles. For all practical purposes, I personally trade only with the NOP, since I have no reason to go anywhere else.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd188/NS_Crossbowman/consulatemap.png

My all around map. It only marks locations in which you can establish consulates, though.

WARP STORM!

Yeah, what's your point? That you can bully nations and expect them not to "over react"?

For me, it's mostly acting like the crazy guy on the street. Nobody mugs the crazy guy, because he'll kill the other guy even as he is being stabbed to death.

[QUOTE=Yanitaria] I never said I would recover. That's the point of a Kamikaze, I may go down, but so will you. I have second strike capability as well, so in a nuclear fight, both of us are screwed.[QUOTE]

Unless you hit all of my colonies aswell, (which are very far away) I can still have some what of a nation, just a lot less people.

I also have colonies elsewhere, so the same applies.

I never said it wasn't. But thats like Frank calling Tom's mom a whore and Tom throwing Frank into a wood chipper, feet first.

lmao.

No, it's more like a bandit telling a cowboy that he is going to use his shotgun in a pistol shoot out, and then being like "WTF DUDE!" when the cowboy pulls out a grenade launcher.

No, i would expect them to react sanely. And Blockades happen because the pople that are getting blockade did something that pissed off the person doing the blockade.

You could steam roll my nation one on one. Even with all the NOP and AU nations involved in fighting the blockade, if my nation is where the start of the fighting is, then my nation will be screwed. Might as well take the biggest nation out with me.

wow. Major time warps.

QFT

Jesus, your post was smothered by a billion others. If Yani does get blockaded, remember that my nation is huge, and to blockade my nation you're going to need hundreds of thousands if not millions of ships. Also, if you blockade Yani, remember that I also have nuclear weapons, able to be launched from silos hidden throughout the country. I'm currently designing one, as well.

On another note, being warmongering is not going to look good in the AU's public image, you know.

That's if he blockaded both of us. He really just needs to set them out by the Aegean.

A blockade doesn't need to cover every signle square meter of coastline. With your postions I could do it with a 600-800 ships. Simply station them in Adgean Sea and your ships can't go anywhere. Sure you could ship them overland to Corbournne, but then they would have to pass through the Binarian Straights. I would let them through, but with very high tarrifs.

Or No Taxes, duh. Especially since I have a MDP with him, I am sure he wouldn't mind me sending ships through his ports.

They could all ship through a neutral nation. They couldn't ship military supplies through the Beatus, but other things could be shipped. Or, even better, they could fly what ever they need to move, as long as it is not that big.

An-225

You're threatening to nuke us if we blockade Yani even though the whole reason it would be put in place would be to ensure he keeps his nose out of the AU domestic affairs?
Looking to initiate a Nuclear holocaust because they're not being allowed sell weapons to terrorists may also be bad for NOP's public image.

First of all I said I'd nuke Binaria if he set foot in my nation.

Second, I am not putting my nose in anyones business. Urchina (sp?) is simply buying a product that's totally legal in Yanitaria, putting it on a ship he owns, and taking it home. How is that putting my nose in AU business?

Well put Stok. the NOP has little reason to venture westward. We have found that sufficient trade can currently be found between NOP members.

It's the principal of the thing though. We should be allow to trade with whoever we want.

Yani: Urchinia is not a legitimate state, he only exists as a rebel group right now. Your products need to be legal in Benelux in order to make it.

But wouldn't he still have the right to sell them in Yanitaria to whom ever he wished? Whatever they did with them afterwards (bring them back to Benelux) wouldn't be Yari's concern. (I think, I don't know that much about international law).

Oh, the weapons would be confiscated by the Dutch police. Being of Yanitarian design and Yanitaria being a socialist country, which means businesses are state-owned I think, we would know Yanitaria sold them to the rebels.

Stok: That's true. It depends what weapons you give. Besides, AK-47 is legal. It's just there is the ease of identification if you shoot someone because you are the one holding the gun. And it is illegal if it is less than 80 cm long.

Oh, the weapons would be confiscated by the Dutch police. Being of Yanitarian design and Yanitaria being a socialist country, which means businesses are state-owned I think, we would know Yanitaria sold them to the rebels.

Yeah, you might know where the guns were coming from, but if selling said weapons in Yanitaria were legal...

You could always confiscate them like you said, but I don't know beyond that what legal option you have (does anyone actually know what international laws are on this?).

Doesn't mean that you will know who made the weapons. If I gave an AK-47 to a random Urchinian, you can't trace that back to me or anybody for that matter.

Boothby: Normally we confiscate them and sell them to buyers in foreign countries. I am going to look up the international law on supply terrorists with weapons.

I think it just means that Urchinia becomes state-sponsored terrorists which is reason for me to go to war with Yani. That's what the US did with Iraq.

First of all I said I'd nuke Binaria if he set foot in my nation.

That was directed towards Stok who implied he may use nukes if you was under a blockade.

Oh, the weapons would be confiscated by the Dutch police. Being of Yanitarian design and Yanitaria being a socialist country, which means businesses are state-owned I think, we would know Yanitaria sold them to the rebels.

First of all, I am not fully communist, so free enterprise exists. Economic socialism usually just means there is a government owned alternative.

Second, again, I am simply selling them to people in my nation. Those people *might* just hand them over to the Urchinians. Then the Urchinians *might* just take them home (in large quantities).

Perfectly legal.

Third, even though you know where the weapons are from, you can't really do anything about it short of going to war.

Yeah, you might know where the guns were coming from, but if selling said weapons in Yanitaria were legal...

You could always confiscate them like you said, but I don't know beyond that what legal option you have (does anyone actually know what international laws are on this?).

He could confiscate them, but there is no governing body like the EU or UN to tell me Benelux that they are in the right.

Boothby: Normally we confiscate them and sell them to buyers in foreign countries. I am going to look up the international law on supply terrorists with weapons.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Luckily for me, there is no UN telling me who I can and can't sell arms to.

Boothby: Normally we confiscate them and sell them to buyers in foreign countries. I am going to look up the international law on supply terrorists with weapons.

I think it just means that Urchinia becomes state-sponsored terrorists which is reason for me to go to war with Yani. That's what the US did with Iraq.

Yeah, that sounds about right. But honestly I don't think it is too rare for countries to sell other "countries" weapons. IE: US selling/supplying armaments to Israel, the US sees it as legit as does most of Europe (I believe). But Egypt, Palestine, and other Muslim nations doesn't even "recognize" Israel as a country.

I guess it isn't exactly black and white, but as long as Yani isn't directly shipping weapons into Benelux it seems like a stretch (though not out of the realm of possibility).

That was directed towards Stok who implied he may use nukes if you was under a blockade.

Stoklomolvi is one of my closest allies, so he probably meant that if I use nukes, not if Binaria blockaded me.

Yani, I see your point. But it also depends on Calzorinstani gun law. That or shipping them and usually shipping involves one party shipping stuff back and forth between two other parties. At least in Benelux. Not to mention large quantities are going to be confiscated due to suspicion. If every single one goes to Yanitaria to buy armaments that is suspicious too.

If need be goods could be shipped by land through Stok to Morgiland and then out to Sea...There are many alternatives.

Yani, I see your point. But it also depends on Calzorinstani gun law. That or shipping them and usually shipping involves one party shipping stuff back and forth between two other parties. At least in Benelux. Not to mention large quantities are going to be confiscated due to suspicion. If every single one goes to Yanitaria to buy armaments that is suspicious too.

They'd probably have an intermediate Yanitarian source (SICly funded by the Yanitarian Ministry of Military Intelligence) buy the arms, and load it up on an Urchinian ships, and go from there.

If they used enough small yachts or private submersibles, they'd probably be able to sneak a sizable amount in. Or I could simply hide a set of blue prints on a ship. Then it'd be like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

No! Idea! I'll put the blue prints on one of those tiny SD cards, and send it on an unarmed civilian ship carrying hay to be sold in Urchinia. Short of sinking the ship (the right ship, mind you), or stopping any ship from entering Urchinia at all, no matter what, you'd never find it.

In any case, there are many possibilities.

Keep in mind Urchinian ships would = Dutch ships because Urchinia is still part of the Benelux. I suppose you'd need to get everything on before the war happens and once it starts you're pretty much out of luck.

Binaria, I understand you find me inconsequential and all, but I can still scrounge up enough nukes from my Air, land and sea based assets to put you into a world of hurt, and damn the consequences.

Binaria, I understand you find me inconsequential and all, but I can still scrounge up enough nukes from my Air, land and sea based assets to put you into a world of hurt, and damn the consequences.

Like radioactive fallout from those nukes blanketing your nation and the oceans around you, elimnating your fishing industry, destroying your crops, and making whats left of your people after my retailiation, die from radiation sickness or cancer?

I know I would sacrifice myself for fellow Allies. I'd even send my leader man to defend Stok or Yani or HOB. Everyone else, sorry. :rolleyes:

I would rather remain neutral in the event of a nuclear war. Since my Nation has no Nuclear weapons. ABMs? Yes, Balistic Missles? No.

Binaria, if you haven't noticed, most of the NOP are willing to sacrifice themselves in the name of protecting others.

Binaria, if you haven't noticed, most of the NOP are willing to sacrifice themselves in the name of protecting others.

In the same way as sucide bombers do. Okay, so if I go to war with any of you, even if you start it, I get nuked. Corrected? And this isn't stupid and Immature how?

In the same way as sucide bombers do. Okay, so if I go to war with any of you, even if you start it, I get nuked. Corrected? And this isn't stupid and Immature how?My position on when to help is, if any NOP members are invaded I will help. If the NOP members are the agressors most likely I will remain neutral.

NOP doesn't start wars with aligned nations.

This is all IC, by the way. No bad OOC feelings.

The NOP is an alliance, after all, and like the AU, we also have a military clause. And while you correctly pointed out that the radioactive fallout from the bombs would adversely affect Norsikia, It will also harm you much greater than it would harm me. My people are crazy like that. New Pictavia would also be affected by radiation landing in cities like Oslo, and if a full counterattack was initiated by you against NOP, it would pollute your allies, and the entire region as well. Hobson's choice.

In the same way as sucide bombers do. Okay, so if I go to war with any of you, even if you start it, I get nuked. Corrected? And this isn't stupid and Immature how?

The NOP wouldn't start a war with the AU, so if there is a war between the NOP and Binaria/AU, then you guys would have started it. Remember, we started our alliance for fun, you guys started your alliance to prepare for war with us.

Furthermore, if we tell you right off the bat that invading us would get you thrown back into the stone age, you're a lot less likely to do it. We are willing to turn out land into a nuclear waste in order to protect our sovereignty.


This is all IC, by the way. No bad OOC feelings.

The NOP is an alliance, after all, and like the AU, we also have a military clause. And while you correctly pointed out that the radioactive fallout from the bombs would adversely affect Norsikia, It will also harm you much greater than it would harm me. My people are crazy like that. New Pictavia would also be affected by radiation landing in cities like Oslo, and if a full counterattack was initiated by you against NOP, it would pollute your allies, and the entire region as well. Hobson's choice.

Definite point. Nobody wins a nuclear war. Nobody.

Boothby: Your statement seemed very IC since you were calling upon national leaders (as memory serves), that is why people thought it was IC. Also, you are right, this is a claims thread, to which the last part of this post is relevant.

Remember, we started our alliance for fun, you guys started your alliance to prepare for war with us.

Furthermore, if we tell you right off the bat that invading us would get you thrown back into the stone age, you're a lot less likely to do it. We are willing to turn out land into a nuclear waste in order to protect our sovereignty.

So the NOP is an alliance based upon OOC relations, whereas the AU is an alliance based upon IC relations. I fail to see why this would make one better than the other. Also, your "sovereignty" would be pointless, since everyone in your nation would be dead or dying. Personally, I'd prefer an occupation than the murder of billions of people and the ultimate responsibility for the destruction of my entire race. But heck, that's just me :rolleyes:

Binaria, if you haven't noticed, most of the NOP are willing to sacrifice themselves in the name of protecting others.

Instigating a nuclear war as such would be, well, rubbish. It offers neither party much benefit at all as far as RPing goes, which is mostly why we play NS. That is why I understand that unjust nuclear deployment is mostly frowned upon both OOCly and ICly by NS (look at BL glassing N.Calaveras for example, he lost a lot of OOC respect.

However, to entertain the scenario:
I would aid Binaria any way I could in intercepting NOP warheads, and accept as many refugees as could make it, but I wouldn't sacrifice my people when there would be no significant difference in the outcome of the exchange whatsoever. Whether I nuked the NOP or not, it's highly likely all parties that participate in the exchange would be toast. Not worth expanding a nuclear war into several more million casualties for.

So, I would do all that I could to save as many Binarian citizens as possible, and attempt to save the actual states, but I wouldn't make myself an unnecessary target. Especially since when the NOP has "sacrificed" itself I and the Binarians who make it (refugees perhaps, who would be aided in all ways possible in establishing their own state outwith Pictavia once again) will still be around to claim victory and live to see peace.

Finally, this would make for a really good topic in the EA forums. A lot of the time interesting topics evolve here in the claims thread, and that's part of the reason why the forums were established. Take full advantage of 'em, as besides the repetitive "my alliance is better than yours" statements etc., it is actually an interesting topic.

If Binaria attacked us, it would be an AU-NOP war, not just a Binaria-NOP war. You would be hit by thousands of nukes too.

And I'm tempted to simply ignore a such a noobish move. I don't think I'd be the only one.

If Binaria attacked us, it would be an AU-NOP war, not just a Binaria-NOP war. You would be hit by thousands of nukes too.

And why would you ignore it? You attack, you face the consequences, no matter how stupid they may be. Also remember that you are part of the AU.

Because we as individual players would have to give our consent that our nation would be involved in the "RP". I would simply ignore you too. This is a region for II RP'ing, not for beginning a noobish nuclear holocaust for little reason that would destroy the region and thus contradict the priorly mentioned purpose for the region, as there would be nothing to RP with afterwards.

Also, in regards to Yanis last post, The AU was in development since day one of this region, far preceding any knowledge of the NOP, with the original draft of the charter created before the NOP was actually established. The AU represents an alternative with all the same benifits to its member nations than joining the NOP. For the billionth time, I have no intention for using the alliance as a bloc to attack the NOP with as it is not in the majority of our members interests.

Hey, Nova, check your telegrams for me.

Anyways, I like peace.

IC: With The Beatus' announcement of oil finds in the Arctic, the Morgians have claimed the area immediately North of the USSM for their rigs and have begun immediate drilling.

Nova Pictavia, TPF says he will pull out, so what do you say about that?

What land did you want again, Greal? Also, are you interested in either the AU or the NOP?

I wanted Southern France.

I'm not sure which alliance I support, I am slightly confused on why there are 2 regional alliances in one region.

I may stay out the the NOP-AU fight. Or join the NOP or AU, I'm not sure......

No. Stay neutral. It's what all the cool kids are doing.

TIMEWARP FTW

I'm in the NOP, which is essentially centred in the east, and the AU is lead by Nova Pictavia in the west. My nation sees the AU as a counter to the NOP, while they see us as the red threat.

I'm in the NOP, which is essentially centred in the east, and the AU is lead by Nova Pictavia in the west. My nation sees the AU as a counter to the NOP, while they see us as the red threat.

I may stay out the the NOP-AU fight (If I join the region). Or join the NOP or AU, I'm not sure......

I may stay out the the NOP-AU fight (If I join the region). Or join the NOP or AU, I'm not sure......

Stay neutral, and help prevent this war that is brewing on the horizon.

Yer, wise men here. Stay neutral.

Erm... the AU was proposed and drafted first, and each member state carries an equal vote so I am not the leader. As for your application, allow me to check again although I usually run all recent apps through the NSDraftroom among others (who will remain anonymous) whom I deem to be a sound judge of applicants.

I wrote a long, LONG post about all this, but it became too wordy. So here is the short version.

AU Nations: We are simply letting you know that we will not ignore an invasion of our soil by your alliance. The threat of nuclear war is simply a deterrent to an invasion. We are simply making sure that it is in your best interest to not invade us, because we know that we don't want to invade you.

NP: The scenario you put forward ignores the fact that the NOP would not all launch nuclear missiles at the same time.

If, say, Binaria invaded me, I would be the one to launch nukes, and only at Binaria. Then my allies, both NOP, Atlantican, and non-Atlantican would help me recover. Further, just like Binaria, I have colonies abroad, and deals with several nations (NOP, Non-NOP Atlanticans, and Non-Atlanticans) to evacuate my citizens until my nation recovered.

Unlike Binaria, I have Project Atlantis (remember those Doomsday Projects for the UC?).

So some of both of our citizens would survive and recover (one day), the only difference is that the Binarians would know that it's foolish to invade Yanitaria while they still have nukes.

In any case, I am gonna do something about this IC hostility, and the OOC paranoia over war.

IC: With The Beatus' announcement of oil finds in the Arctic, the Morgians have claimed the area immediately North of the USSM for their rigs and have begun immediate drilling.

Could someone direct me to the post regarding this?

Could someone direct me to the post regarding this?

I think he means Stok

ATTN EA

Pan-Atlantican Summit (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13496659#post13496659)

As for your application, allow me to check again although I usually run all recent apps through the NSDraftroom among others (who will remain anonymous) whom I deem to be a sound judge of applicants.

Okay thanks, I'll wait for an answer.......

No! Take the space between my and Boothby, It'll fill up nicely

I do like the French sun :D

If I do take the land between Boothy and Stok and Morgiland and Corbunne, I will be squeezed a little

(I would like to add Corsica to my claim if possible)

Maybe you guys should have a neutral alliance int he region also. :D

Maybe you guys should have a neutral alliance int he region also. :D

Well, The Beatus, ---Kenny---, and I are going to have a neutral meeting of sorts, maybe you could join that if you get in.

You're more than welcome to attend, Greal

Corb, when do you think we should start the meeting?

You're more than welcome to attend, Greal

Corb, when do you think we should start the meeting?

Whenever's good with me.

You guys are invited to the Pan-Atlantican Summit, too. This is about the entire region, and I'd like to see some neutral nations involved.

Edit: I didn't check it, but it looks like Corb is involved. Still, I'd like to see all the neutral nation involved if possible.

First, this meeting is basically a NOP conference, with little to no AU involvement, and we do not wish to get dragged into the conflict by appearing to support you. Also, Fjordenberg is inquiring into the meeting, and may be attending.

We would like for everyone to attend, but since nobody is attending of course it will seem like an NOP only conference.

I am attending so be quiet about it being a NOP only conference. My only contest is Orbath's involvement. If it is truly about Europa Atlantica he should but out.

I am attending so be quiet about it being a NOP only conference. My only contest is Orbath's involvement. If it is truly about Europa Atlantica he should but out.

This is why I said little AU involvement. When the bulk of AU commits, than the neutral nations will be glad to attend, but with out the there, the conference cannot do anything.

I am attending so be quiet about it being a NOP only conference. My only contest is Orbath's involvement. If it is truly about Europa Atlantica he should but out.

I see where your coming from but at the same time, I'm a member of NOP and part of the point of this conference is to reduce/eliminate NOP AU tensions.

I see where your coming from but at the same time, I'm a member of NOP and part of the point of this conference is to reduce/eliminate NOP AU tensions.

Indeed, plus it really doesn't matter either way whether or not he comes, the message the NOP sends will still be the same.

Well, The Beatus, ---Kenny---, and I are going to have a neutral meeting of sorts, maybe you could join that if you get in.

Consider me in, if I get in.....

Consider me in, if I get in.....

Suhweet.

I replied, Greal.

Wrong thread, I replied in NSNE.

Greal: Unfortunately, I'm not sure that it would work out if you joined. Sorry for the wait there mate, I was waiting to hear from a particular member. Best o' luck,
~Picts

Greal: Unfortunately, I'm not sure that it would work out if you joined. Sorry for the wait there mate, I was waiting to hear from a particular member. Best o' luck,
~Picts

TPF did withdraw..........:(

Anyway, too bad.

Greal: Unfortunately, I'm not sure that it would work out if you joined. Sorry for the wait there mate, I was waiting to hear from a particular member. Best o' luck,
~Picts

I would just like to point out, due to the fact that Anagonia first joined Pictavia as an independent province, would gladly send military forces to assist you. Under your banner, of course. Since the entire Military Arsenal of Anagonia IS under your control.

If you decide it, the link to our ground forces is as follows:
UberPwnage (http://hawk.proboards1.com/index.cgi?board=Military&action=display&thread=1103679272)

Anyway, last post here. Sorry for bugging!

That's just wrong. I don't recognise that. Sorry.

Sorry to say this, but
M102 "Dominance" MBT= No no

I would just like to point out, due to the fact that Anagonia first joined Pictavia as an independent province, would gladly send military forces to assist you. Under your banner, of course. Since the entire Military Arsenal of Anagonia IS under your control.

If you decide it, the link to our ground forces is as follows:
UberWankage (http://hawk.proboards1.com/index.cgi?board=Military&action=display&thread=1103679272)

Anyway, last post here. Sorry for bugging!

Fix'd.

Anagonia, you do realize you are six times the size of NP? I would have said that it doesn't make sense that you are his protectorate, but the horrors of what you call a tank are still fresh in my mind.

There is a secret reason...
EDIT: WARP

He's not just six times; his United Republic forms up nearly all of the Silver Imperium population. I mean, he's strong enough to have an empire!

He's not just six times; his United Republic forms up nearly all of the Silver Imperium population. I mean, he's strong enough to have an empire!

But then again, with tanks like that, I wouldn't be surprised if his armies were declared god modding, allowing the opponent to win by default.

And he only has ~9000 tanks. I had 4 times that many back when my army was only 4 million men.

Edit: Ha, look at what I found!

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/DF.gif

How do I do useless accessories? Bayonets are awesome, but on a pistol? If you are that close to your enemy, and you need to go into a knife fight with a pistol instead of shooting them, you've already lost.

Gah! Shun the big Pic!

HAHAHAHHAA!

Yes...I am old. Anyway, the M102 was purchased way back in 04 when I needed a modern tank. Realizing then after everyone hated, like, tanks with two guns, I never really use it unless the other RP'er allows it. Some people DO consider it a godmod.

The Gun was purchased back in....woah...way back when...and it was from a good friend. I don't RP it with the knife, but it may come in handy if Kung-Fu ensues.

As for the number of tanks, I do believe its well within my defense budget. I could have more, then again, I haven't updated those numbers for quite some time.

I think I might.

Anyway, cheers.
-Travis

EDIT:

As for the "Uberwankage" statement, I call that an insult. I did the numbers myself back in 05, and made arrangements. I'm now nearing 10 Billion people, so having that many forces is within my defense budget. If you happen to see something I overlooked, please inform me and I will change it according to NS rules.

Thank you.

That's just wrong. I don't recognise that. Sorry.

Also, you made an agreement with me via TG, and an Alliance, to stop all hostilities towards Pictavia and the Imperium. I'm within the Imperium. I believe our agreement still stands.

Just a friendly reminder.

But then again, with tanks like that, I wouldn't be surprised if his armies were declared god modding, allowing the opponent to win by default.

Concerning this statement:

God modding? I used those tanks in the Cripistan conflict, and many other conflicts prior. Though my Main Battle Tank in RP's is the T-90 and M1A2 Main Battle Tanks, I will use those if the RP allows it.

I've never lost a war, only a stalemate. That was against Red Tide2. He beat me, literally, to holy heck. I think he won to this day. Anyway, as concerning everything else, any conflict I have been involved with has either died away or ended with satisfactory results for both Role Playing parties.

I'm in the game for experience and writing, not for wanking. Look up my name sometime, and you'll see what I mean.

Fix'd.

Anagonia, you do realize you are six times the size of NP? I would have said that it doesn't make sense that you are his protectorate, but the horrors of what you call a tank are still fresh in my mind.

Concerning this statement:

I did it as an act of goodwill, and it lead to a wonderful role play between me and him that is allowing me to explore my nations history in depth. I think it was a good choice. And I do realize I could easily conquer him and most all of the people here (one on one or perhaps in a small group!). Like I said before, I'm in the game for experience and writing. Fun is a part of it. If my protectorate status, which is legal and binding, finds you swearing me for even thinking it, then we can talk about it.

Arrange something like me and Stoky did, over TG, about not having hostilities towards Pictavia or the Imperium.

As for anything else, if you want to RP sometime, tell me. I'll gladly participate.

ON A LAST NOTE:

I intended every response with a separate post.

I know that you are an excellent RPer; I've told you so myself. However, I don't agree to letting NP control all of your forces. That's just...argh. Regardless of an agreement formed between us; NP used that as evidence against me and the NOP. I felt rather betrayed at that.

I know, and I respect you as a Role Player. I do apologize for the way Pictavia may have acted, and I deeply apologize for insulting you. It was not intended. Please, forgive me, as a person to a person.

I promise you I will not, if I have then no longer, use this as an excuse. If anyone else does, tell me. Your in an alliance with me, our two nations joined in friendship. I did it this way so I didn't have to "legally" war with you if anything happened between the Imperium and your alliance. I wanted good relations, and a future role playing partner.

Again, I apologize. Perhaps a good thread about something would lighten things? Should we discuss it? Have a grand RP?

Anything anyone else says doesn't matter. What matters is that, YOU TOO, are under my protection. While I understand the ramifications, it prevents you, or the Imperium, from engaging in war. If that happens, I am forced from the Imperium due to conflicts of interests.

Don't test that, btw. I apologized, so please owe me that favor. Lol.

Anyway, again, I'm sorry.

I know that you are an excellent RPer; I've told you so myself. However, I don't agree to letting NP control all of your forces. That's just...argh. Regardless of an agreement formed between us; NP used that as evidence against me and the NOP. I felt rather betrayed at that.

I know that you are an excellent RPer; I've told you so myself. However, I don't agree to letting NP control all of your forces. That's just...argh. Regardless of an agreement formed between us; NP used that as evidence against me and the NOP. I felt rather betrayed at that.

Check your Telegrams.

Replied.

Replied.

I have, dear friend, replied.

I hope I'm not meddling where I shouldn't, but a realistic artillery(which can technically be used as a tank destroyer too) with two guns capable of both direct and indirect fire do exist. It is the Finnish AMOS (http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/artillery/patria/) and if you are interested, you maybe could use it as a basis for a realistic design, or just claim you own the DPR for it. Of course, it obviously doesn't have the armor of Main Battle Tank, but it has its uses, and it can be fitted in light brown water patrol boats too.

I hope I'm not meddling where I shouldn't, but a realistic artillery(which can technically be used as a tank destroyer too) with two guns capable of both direct and indirect fire do exist. It is the Finnish AMOS (http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/artillery/patria/) and if you are interested, you maybe could use it as a basis for a realistic design, or just claim you own the DPR for it. Of course, it obviously doesn't have the armor of Main Battle Tank, but it has its uses, and it can be fitted in light brown water patrol boats too.

*clears throat*

Yes well, your a godsend. Thanks man.

As for the tank, I'll leave it up to NS to allow it or not, because I purchased the design. I will make it my own design later, if I need to. But right now I promised to keep it to the original due to copyright stuff. So yea.

As for the DPR. You gave me ideas.

Snip.

Wow, I never realized double-barreled Mortars existed out of Games and X-Projects.

HAHAHAHHAA!

Yes...I am old. Anyway, the M102 was purchased way back in 04 when I needed a modern tank. Realizing then after everyone hated, like, tanks with two guns, I never really use it unless the other RP'er allows it. Some people DO consider it a godmod.

The Gun was purchased back in....woah...way back when...and it was from a good friend. I don't RP it with the knife, but it may come in handy if Kung-Fu ensues.

As for the number of tanks, I do believe its well within my defense budget. I could have more, then again, I haven't updated those numbers for quite some time.

I think I might.

Anyway, cheers.
-Travis

EDIT:

As for the "Uberwankage" statement, I call that an insult. I did the numbers myself back in 05, and made arrangements. I'm now nearing 10 Billion people, so having that many forces is within my defense budget. If you happen to see something I overlooked, please inform me and I will change it according to NS rules.

Thank you.

I am not saying it's out of your defense budget. I am saying that the tanks are wanked.

Concerning this statement:

I did it as an act of goodwill, and it lead to a wonderful role play between me and him that is allowing me to explore my nations history in depth. I think it was a good choice. And I do realize I could easily conquer him and most all of the people here (one on one or perhaps in a small group!). Like I said before, I'm in the game for experience and writing. Fun is a part of it. If my protectorate status, which is legal and binding, finds you swearing me for even thinking it, then we can talk about it.

Arrange something like me and Stoky did, over TG, about not having hostilities towards Pictavia or the Imperium.

As for anything else, if you want to RP sometime, tell me. I'll gladly participate.

ON A LAST NOTE:

I intended every response with a separate post.

But why protectorate? I mean, given your size and military budget, you could probably have the alliance become "The Silver Imperium of NP, Kirav, And Anagonia."

I know, and I respect you as a Role Player. I do apologize for the way Pictavia may have acted, and I deeply apologize for insulting you. It was not intended. Please, forgive me, as a person to a person.

I promise you I will not, if I have then no longer, use this as an excuse. If anyone else does, tell me. Your in an alliance with me, our two nations joined in friendship. I did it this way so I didn't have to "legally" war with you if anything happened between the Imperium and your alliance. I wanted good relations, and a future role playing partner.

Again, I apologize. Perhaps a good thread about something would lighten things? Should we discuss it? Have a grand RP?

Anything anyone else says doesn't matter. What matters is that, YOU TOO, are under my protection. While I understand the ramifications, it prevents you, or the Imperium, from engaging in war. If that happens, I am forced from the Imperium due to conflicts of interests.

Don't test that, btw. I apologized, so please owe me that favor. Lol.

Anyway, again, I'm sorry.

Upon reading this post, I officially respect you. The other posts led up to it, but this is the turning point. I don't, however, retract my sentiments against the tanks.

I hope I'm not meddling where I shouldn't, but a realistic artillery(which can technically be used as a tank destroyer too) with two guns capable of both direct and indirect fire do exist. It is the Finnish AMOS (http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/artillery/patria/) and if you are interested, you maybe could use it as a basis for a realistic design, or just claim you own the DPR for it. Of course, it obviously doesn't have the armor of Main Battle Tank, but it has its uses, and it can be fitted in light brown water patrol boats too.

They are double mortars, Confed. The pressure on the gun is much much lighter, but the AMOS has very little armour (APC type). Just a a for instance, the apc armour usually used is enough to take a 12.7mm, which only takes 20mm of RHE. Tanks have 200mm on it's least armoured parts.

Further, the gun, the autoloader, the additional width needed, the storage space for ammo, it would all add more than a mere 20 tons.

*clears throat*

Yes well, your a godsend. Thanks man.

As for the tank, I'll leave it up to NS to allow it or not, because I purchased the design. I will make it my own design later, if I need to. But right now I promised to keep it to the original due to copyright stuff. So yea.

As for the DPR. You gave me ideas.

I suggest you get a new design right away, especially because you are in very bad need of tanks. Like I said earlier, I had something like 40,000 tanks back when my army was still ~4,000,000. Also, your number of tanks also includes Bradely's, mind didn't.

Having so few tanks will mean that in a fullscale conflict, you'd always be pressed for them, and the fact that you use NATO and Warsaw Pact means that you will be running twice as many spare parts to your divisions.

I know that you are an excellent RPer; I've told you so myself. However, I don't agree to letting NP control all of your forces. That's just...argh. Regardless of an agreement formed between us; NP used that as evidence against me and the NOP. I felt rather betrayed at that.

Actually, I TG'd Anagonia, he explained, so I dropped it and posted telling everyone to ignore what I just posted. Nevertheless, I apologise again.

Guys, we spend some of our spare time on NS for fun (at least I do) and can we not do so without constant bickering? I have made it crystal clear that I am not going to start anything against the NOP, and even when the stuff was on I thought you guys wouldn't acknowledge Anagonia being dragged into it. Fact is, I like the alliance with Anagonia because he is a damn solid, fun RP'er who knows that this is just fun, and keeps the OOC chatter that way: relaxed and informed. Truth is, I wouldn't mind which way our alliance worked, even if I was against him it would still be good.

So, I'm politely putting my foot down on all of this. It seems that no sort of RP'ing can be drawn in the region without crazy OOC arguments, we're not going to die, are we? We're just here to RP, and have fun, and just because we may contradict ICly does not mean this sort of atmosphere should exist OOCly.

This is a region for II RP'ing among mates, and if it can't be managed (which, apparently, it cannot), then you know where the door is.

~Picts

NP! :) See Imperivm Argentvm.

Kirav or rather West Scandia - What is the most widely spoken language in West Scandia?

Kirav or rather West Scandia - What is the most widely spoken language in West Scandia?

Scandian, a mixed Celtic-North Germanic language is poken by 40% of West Scandians. The remaining 60% speak Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Finnish, German, Gaelic, Doric, Welsh and Bungee.

Can you translate English to Scandian? I was wondering because I want to determine the working languages of the AU.

So far I have:

English( a given and once Miamoria joins it'll be a language spoken by the majourity of a member state's population)
Dutch (Benelux)
Latin (Anselmus?; Pictavia: maybe)

Calizorinstan speaks English as a primary language, and in some parts, they speak exclusively German, so put us down for English and German, and in some parts French.

Calizorinstan - In some southern parts of Benelux they speak French and German too! Because we don't want to have to translate into too many languages, which would you prefer French or German? I would prefer French but that is just because it is official in 5 provinces opposed to German which is only official in 2 provinces. Do any of your people speak Luxembourgish?

Calizorinstan - In some southern parts of Benelux they speak French and German too! Because we don't want to have to translate into too many languages, which would you prefer French or German? I would prefer French but that is just because it is official in 5 provinces opposed to German which is only official in 2 provinces. Do any of your people speak Luxembourgish?


I believe we'll speak German, because the people are rather proud of their German heritage, as to your question about Luxembourgish, some do, only in 4 counties though..

Can you translate English to Scandian? I was wondering because I want to determine the working languages of the AU.

So far I have:

English( a given and once Miamoria joins it'll be a language spoken by the majourity of a member state's population)
Dutch (Benelux)
Latin (Anselmus?; Pictavia: maybe)

I'll have to consult with my Gaelic- and Scandinavian-speaking contacts first. T'will not be like Coscivian, Kirav's language, which I can translate off the top of my head.

I am not saying it's out of your defense budget. I am saying that the tanks are wanked.

Oh hell, of course their wanked. I like big tanks with big guns and sexy bikini models to make them look special. Why the hell else would I get them? For war?!

BAH!

Well...maybe I did. Anyway, got'em way back in the day, when this festering for REAL technology wasn't as strong as it was these days. No one minded then, now they do. Don't worry, I won't use them. I try to only use them in PMT wars because of the technology involved. And because, like....their cool.

Two guns...hehe...explosions...hehe...bang...hehe *drool*

But why protectorate? I mean, given your size and military budget, you could probably have the alliance become "The Silver Imperium of NP, Kirav, And Anagonia."

Well, mainly because I wanted a turning point for my nation. I wanted something new. I know I'm basically an empire in itself, having SEVEN other nations is basically an Imperium in itself. But here's the difference. All those nations in "The Galactic Republic" region are my puppets, created for the FT Galactic Republic of Anagonia. Then they transfered over into MT, because thats what the provinces of Anagonia were named originally. So I couldn't POSSIBLY create an Alliance with Myself...I mean, I could...but that would be pointless and blatant godmod.

So I decided to go with the Imperium, because I looked over Picty's posts and saw potential, and I love role playing with him. He provides me with a release for my nation to create my history over again, and solidify the need for the puppet nations. Instead of being something of a past name for me, their now Anagonia, and I can Role Play them with more potential.

So thats why I decided for it. Not because I was bored. Okay, mainly because of that. BUT THE REAL REASON was for Role Playing, because I never did it before, and because I thought it would be fun to barge into an Alliance being the huge superpower and watch people gawk at entering it. I had a fun laugh, and man was Pict surprised. It was well worth the first telegram between me and him.

Yea, its fun making friends, any way you can on NationStates. Its also fun nuking people, which I do best, but I like friends more. And cause Picty is an awesome role player and a awesome guy.

Upon reading this post, I officially respect you. The other posts led up to it, but this is the turning point. I don't, however, retract my sentiments against the tanks.

Thanks. I already respected you the moment I saw you existed, because your a role player. So the feelings mutual.

So, we shall RP some time? Grand RP? Something cool? War? Peace? Allies? Enemies?

Whatever, let's just role play. I'm all in for it.

They are double mortars, Confed. The pressure on the gun is much much lighter, but the AMOS has very little armour (APC type). Just a a for instance, the apc armour usually used is enough to take a 12.7mm, which only takes 20mm of RHE. Tanks have 200mm on it's least armoured parts.

Further, the gun, the autoloader, the additional width needed, the storage space for ammo, it would all add more than a mere 20 tons.

I DON'T CARE, ITS JUST COOL! STOP RUINING MY COMMAND&CONQUER DREAMS! MOMMY!

*cries*

I suggest you get a new design right away, especially because you are in very bad need of tanks. Like I said earlier, I had something like 40,000 tanks back when my army was still ~4,000,000. Also, your number of tanks also includes Bradely's, mind didn't.

Having so few tanks will mean that in a fullscale conflict, you'd always be pressed for them, and the fact that you use NATO and Warsaw Pact means that you will be running twice as many spare parts to your divisions.

Literally the number of tanks I have is for a specific reason. My divisions alone encompass about, what, 9 million troops? Usually the amount of tanks I have serves at least two of those divisions well. I mainly concentrate my forces with air and sea power, which would assist in the lack of tank forces. I did those numbers originally to not be a godmod, but I haven't updated those numbers since 2004-05. So it's been a while.

Most of my power goes in my sea forces, which would be the first to see conflict. But you do have a point. Maybe I will update them.

As for the supplies, again, thats why I have such a HUGE power on the sea military side, because of the supplies. That part is well taken care of. As of late I have yet to get a design that would basically make those models obsolete, mainly because I LOVE to Role Play fairly with lesser experienced players and enjoy teaching them along the way.

Thats another reason why I haven't updated them, because I hate to wank. If I'm facing a future force, then I'll respond with my future tech. PMT force, PMT tanks and whatnot. But MT, I use Warsaw and whathaveyou forces for the added Realistic Role Playing experience, and try to add to the enjoyment of story writing. I try to make it a story for both parties, not just myself. In that way, a Role Play never dies truly, because it is remembered in the hearts and minds of those who participated.

Thats what I look for, and thats why I never truly update. I like to be fair, modest, and considerate in my numbers and role playing. I love to see the other person respond with "That was a good post!" or "Awesome!" or whathaveyou. I always try to do the same back. Because two people together make a novel, and a novel can change the course of history in the minds of those who read it.

Anyway....yea...blabbering on...you get the point.

NOW, WE MUST RP SOMETIME, OR I SHALL CRY....like a girl... *sniffles* ...

Peace,
-Travis

So, I'm politely putting my foot down on all of this. It seems that no sort of RP'ing can be drawn in the region without crazy OOC arguments, we're not going to die, are we? We're just here to RP, and have fun, and just because we may contradict ICly does not mean this sort of atmosphere should exist OOCly.

This is a region for II RP'ing among mates, and if it can't be managed (which, apparently, it cannot), then you know where the door is.

Atmosphere? Crazy OOC arguments? In the past two days or so, I can name probably 2 disagreements. The first was about Greal (who, on a related note, actually started an RP with Corb, and who would have chosen to not take part in the AU-NOP rivalry), while the second one was started when you chose to accused the NOP of threatening to glass you.

Aside from that, there is your refusal to take part in the one RP we have going as a region, which I wouldn't even count as a disagreement.

Anyways, there is a definite lack of RP's on the AU and Neutral side of the region, what with AU refusal to take part in wargames involving NOP members, and your refusal to attend a peace conference, and you refusal to RP with me and HOB over development rights to his power grid.

But on the NOP's side of things, we've had the RP between Orbath and HOB, a meeting to decide who controls the Barents Sea. a meeting to discuss drilling rights of the Barents Sea and Arctic Ocean, the RP between me and HOB concerning his power grid, a seperate discussion where I agreed to grow poppies for HOB, the HOB announcement of exportation of poppy based products, Stok discovering oil in siberia, the creation of a Stoklomolvi oil company, a NOP-wide wargame to replace the one that was ruined by AU withdrawal, and, to top it all off, we started the Pan-Atlantican Summit.

And as icing on the cake, the NOP board is full of conversation, humour, and plans for more RPs (for instance, I am about to go extremely in depth with my aerospace industry, and I've planned several companies that will have an interesting web of relations, such as a small company that develops a product which every other company desperately wants to use. The small company doesn't have the capacity to produce the products it makes (which will largely be radar), but knows that it can use it's clearly superior design to play all ends against the middle). Obviously the apparent atmosphere hasn't hindered the number or quality of our RP's in the slightest.

Sound that garden shears make

OOC: Ha! Reminds me of my dad's garage. See, he is an inspector for JetBlue airways, but he used to be a mechanic. Well, in his garage, he has this old calendar from a while back, with various bikini models getting oh so comfortable with equally sexy aircraft engines.

Anyways, let's RP. I think we still need another person for the NOP war game, which I am about to post in, after starting off the PAS. I am sure that everyone would love to have another RPer in that wargame

Or if you'd like, how about a low intensity skirmish over an island, with an interesting twist, like one part of the island has a raw material, and the other has the facilities to process it. We could end it by having our nations decide that it's easier to cooperate, and open up diplomatic lines. TG me if you are interested.

Sigh,
Let the man make his point.

-snip-

*sigh*

Did you miss the point of Pict's post completely? He wants you to stop posting this kind of stuff.

Politely do so.

<snip>

Exactly, two OOC "disagreements" in two days and this has been a constant pattern. It's not fun, it's not necessary and I'm politely asking for all these stupid arguments to stop, or this region will start getting smaller.

Your NOP RP's on the NOP boards or whatever sound fine, but the fact is that this has alienated a large chunk of the region who did not want to join, then when we make a similar move with the AU the same daft OOC aggression resurfaces. It's not worth it, and if you disagree then as I have said, there's the door.

For the record, Aki's right.

you chose to accused the NOP of threatening to glass you.

See, this is the kind of "point" that isn't doing any good. CUT IT OUT.
I could reply with exactly what happened, but it wouldn't go anywhere, so what's the point? Everyone knows what happened anyway.

*sigh*

Did you miss the point of Pict's post completely? He wants you to stop posting this kind of stuff.

Politely do so.

OOC: So it's okay for him to misrepresent the situation, but it's not okay for me to point that out?

If you want to point out a specific part of my post where I was mistaken, then do so, but if you just want me to shut up and never point out when someone else is mistaken again, then ask yourself "Who here is creating the hostile environment?"

I didn't insult him in my previous post at all. I took his post to mean that there is an overly hostile environment with many arguments per day, and that we are hindering any role playing, which is just not true. The hostility may be there, which I don't personally think there is, but the only ones who are apparently not RPing are you guys in the AU.

I base that last assumption on the fact that NP is in the AU, and would then know about any RPs going on with in the alliance, and yet still seems to think that there is an absence of RPing.

In order to support my stance that there is plenty of RPing, I listed all of the NOP and regional RPs started by the NOP that I could think of off of the top of my head, which of course doesn't include any that I forgot, or ones not started by the New Oslo Pact members.

So if you could please explain to me what is so offensive about that, I'd love to know.

OOC: So it's okay for him to misrepresent the situation, but it's not okay for me to point that out?

If you want to point out a specific part of my post where I was mistaken, then do so, but if you just want me to shut up and never point out when someone else is mistaken again, then ask yourself "Who here is creating the hostile environment?"

I didn't insult him in my previous post at all. I took his post to mean that there is an overly hostile environment with many arguments per day, and that we are hindering any role playing, which is just not true. The hostility may be there, which I don't personally think there is, but the only ones who are apparently not RPing are you guys in the AU.

I base that last assumption on the fact that NP is in the AU, and would then know about any RPs going on with in the alliance, and yet still seems to think that there is an absence of RPing.

In order to support my stance that there is plenty of RPing, I listed all of the NOP and regional RPs started by the NOP that I could think of off of the top of my head, which of course doesn't include any that I forgot, or ones not started by the New Oslo Pact members.

So if you could please explain to me what is so offensive about that, I'd love to know.

As I have said, having half the region's Rp's or whatever discussed or held on the NOP boards when you pushed for Regional boards that I then created, is just alienating a large chunk of us.

Last time I'm gunna say it, but cut out the pointless provoking attitude.

Nova Pictavia - While I understand your frustration and that there shouldn't be talk of nuclear war at all; the nuclear war was hypothetical and OOC so while you can say they were talking about glassing AU members you can't say they were threatening to glass you - atleast not ICly. I do believe Binaria does like to talk about hypothetical situations.

IIRC, Yani said he would glass Binaria if he encroached on his territory, and Stok said the rest of the AU would be included after I said I wouldn't participate.

A threat IS based on a hypothetical action, if the event being threatened against had already happened then the threat would be pointless.

EDIT: Oh, and Anselmus, an AU member had an EA wide wargame a while ago.

Nova Pictavia - While I understand your frustration and that there shouldn't be talk of nuclear war at all; the nuclear war was hypothetical and OOC so while you can say they were talking about glassing AU members you can't say they were threatening to glass you - atleast not ICly. I do believe Binaria does like to talk about hypothetical situations.

As I have said, having half the region's Rp's or whatever discussed or held on the NOP boards when you pushed for Regional boards that I then created, is just alienating a large chunk of us.

Last time I'm gunna say it, but cut out the pointless provoking attitude.

What provoking attitude? I am not trying to provoke anything. I am simply saying that you were mistaken.

In any case, all of those RPs, except for the discussions about the Barents Sea drilling and the Barents Sea control, are on II. The two that I just listed as being on the NOP boards didn't concern the rest of EA anyways, so they don't matter.

If you'd like, I'll link up on II every RP that I mentioned, besides the two about the Barents.

And the nuclear war discussion was simply OOC hypothetical, and therefore not a threat. Now if I had said ICly

"Dear mister leader of 101010102,

If you were to hypothetically invade me, then I would hypothetically nuke you.

Sincerely,
Leader of Yanitaria"

Then, yes, it would have been a threat.

Hell, if I had said, out of the blue, "Geez, you know, I was just thinking, if binaria invaded me, I'd probably nuke him", then yeah, I might see your point.

But it was part of a larger discussion of hypothetical events, starting with Urchina hypothetically rebelling (which probably would have made for another great RP, although I do believe you were right that Urchina wasn't qualified for the level of writing that EA is looking for).

Yes, this was all completely hypothetical.
As some of you remember, I said "Binaria, If you Nuke Yanitaria, Stok and I will Nuke you." But Obviously, I have no intention of launching a nuclear bomb at my neighbour, which would harm me and innocent neutral nations in the process.

So I say-no, Beseech. Please, let's forget the whole OOC upset over our Nuclear Junkwaving, and start afresh with no leftover OOC tensions in mind.

So I say-no, Beseech. Please, let's forget the whole OOC upset over our Nuclear Junkwaving, and start afresh with no leftover OOC tensions in mind.

Exactly, that is what I have been advocating. However, as the past seems to tell us, one OOC upset seems to always be forgotten by the time another arrives, and the same unravels yet again.

So, as I have said, I come on NS for fun etc. and personally can't be bothered with this sort of thing repeating itself every week or so, as it is consuming most of my time on NS. So if it continues down this road, the region will have a few drastic changes.

EDIT: Oh, and Anselmus, an AU member had an EA wide wargame a while ago.

Most things addressed, Anselmus started the wargame before the AU was officially formed. After he joined the AU the thing just died. One thing I noticed a while ago is that you, NP, post semi-IC every so often. I left the UC because you posted semi-IC. You criticised the NOP in a cooling of tensions thread on the EA boards using semi-IC. The thing with semi-IC is just that; it's some IC, some OOC. It can be offensive to some if you post it like that and you insult the other person, since it's not fully either or. Hell, one should post either in OOC or in IC; I'm friends with Greal OOC and I'm threatening to nuke him in my CW off-site.

On the note of fun, we've been trying to do that by starting up some RPs. Even if you joined in as a hostile, that would be just it; you're a hostile IC. You ignore us. On another note, it would be nice if we could at least have some say in regional affairs; you being a dictator is not exactly the most desirable image to have in mind. A benevolent dictator, that would be excellent, but you're not the most benevolent person, no offence. Nor am I, I must admit, but I do have complete power over some RPs and the atmosphere is quite light and airy.

<snip>

Well, I had originally intended the region to be more democratic a while after it's founding with regional mods, but the NOP not only polarized the region ICly (not a bad thing, I might add) but worryingly OOCly too. You and Yani were on the list to become regional mods, but unfortunately I changed my mind after a certain incident I'm sure you can remember. I still have plans for EA that will possibly include a complete remodelling if this sort of thing cannot be resolved, and if you don't like it then by all means, leave and establish your own region and implement your own rules there.

Nevertheless, I have quite clearly asked that these arguments do not continue, a countless number of times now. Arguing isn't getting us anywhere, and serves no purpose. I say this with the lightest spirit, but if we really want to resolve the mechanics of the region then it would best be doe on IRC, since the topic on forums tends to shift before it can be properly addressed.

I'm not arguing; I'm not trying to sway anybody to do anything. I said what I seen happen.

The UC incident happened because of the semi-IC, if you recall. You posted several times in semi-IC about changing my government type, which would be throwing work on my factbook out the window. It was insulting both IC and OOC, as apparently you may or may not have intended with the semi-IC. Now let's get back to moar peaceful matters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQA9nZHiCp4&feature=related

<snip>

Look, I'm not arguing back despite the fact I have plenty to say. Why? Because it gets us nowhere. You have the last word, now let us move beyond this.

TG for Picts! :)

TG for Picts! :)

Replied too, and once again my apologies for not posting since forever, I have not forgotten!

Look, I'm not arguing back despite the fact I have plenty to say. Why? Because it gets us nowhere. You have the last word, now let us move beyond this.

All of these posts were not trying to start an argument, like Stok said, we are simply stating what is there.

But it isn't getting us anywhere, I agree, so let's just drop all of this OOC tension and get back to RPing.

Sounds that a Bazooka makes when it explodes violently upon a human and blood expands in every direction to encompass everyone watching, who watch in horror as someone screams in freight, as a sudden thermonuclear explosion incinerates everyone present with a Holy Explosion from Olympus.

Yea sure, I Telegrammed you about it. Can't wait.

Peace, and many Nuclear Fallouts,
-Anny Nukem

Replied too, and once again my apologies for not posting since forever, I have not forgotten!

*sing*Have you forgotten...*sing*

(That was a nudge, mind you)

I am bored with nothing but OOC.

*Stoklomolvi needs entertainment with an RP!

I am bored with nothing but OOC.

*Stoklomolvi needs entertainment with an RP!

I would, but i'd rather not get nuked. Simply one of the downsides to waving that around at any possible threat, real or imagined.

I am bored with nothing but OOC.

*Stoklomolvi needs entertainment with an RP!

Post a damn thread about some accident off my waters, then we'll do stuff. Now, or I'll get bored....and nuke you...

(DUN DUN DUN)

I IZ RITINN!!2!1!

wwwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaatttttttttt?!

*reads*

OOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY!

*sing*Have you forgotten...*sing*

(That was a nudge, mind you)

I IZ RITINN!!2!1!

I'm back now, but I have no idea what's going on, if anything, since ten pages have accumulated in this thread since I was last on.

Yea sure, I Telegrammed you about it. Can't wait.

Peace, and many Nuclear Fallouts,
-Anny Nukem

For a second there, I was wondering what the quote was about. I was like "Wait, nuclear war?"

Hey,dude could I join,I would like to claim that area south of Bithunia and Caliz and if accepted could I also have Corscia.I'd be a good region mate considering my nation is a member of the Kiravian Commonwealth.

Hey,dude could I join,I would like to claim that area south of Bithunia and Caliz and if accepted could I also have Corscia.I'd be a good region mate considering my nation is a member of the Kiravian Commonwealth.

That area is already claimed, the map just hasn't been updated, my bad on that one. I'm actually looking for older, more experienced nations for the last few spots of the region, sorry, but we just had an influx of newer nations.

Will see you around the KC once I get over this dang backlog of RP's...

That area is already claimed, the map just hasn't been updated, my bad on that one. I'm actually looking for older, more experienced nations for the last few spots of the region, sorry, but we just had an influx of newer nations.

Will see you around the KC once I get over this dang backlog of RP's...

No prob Picts,I did't really expect you to admit me anyway,I did read the beginning of the thread.But it doesn't hurt to try:D.

Those days are gone now that we have a forum for that.

What happened to the good ol' days of incessant chatter about random topics?

What happened to the good ol' days of incessant chatter about random topics?

See: NOP Boards (http://s15.invisionfree.com/New_Oslo_Pact/)

For a second there, I was wondering what the quote was about. I was like "Wait, nuclear war?"

Back in the day, in the Allied Socialist Defense Union, and their Region...the Allied Defense Union or something...I forgot...I kept nuking everyone and no one could do a damn thing about it. So they nicknamed me Anny Nukem.

The true story is that EVERY conflict I got into I used Nuclear Weapons, because I like explosions. So everyone in the region just gave me that nickname and its stuck.

Hectonia, Binaria and Torvque - Most widely spoken language in your country?

Anselmus - Is latin the most widely spoken language in your country? If not what is?

Calizorinstan - What percent of your people speak German and what percent speak French?

West Scandia (a.k.a. Kirav) - Can you translate 'The official channel for the Atlantican Union' into Scandian? How different is it from Icelandic?

Hectonia, Binaria and Torvque - Most widely spoken language in your country?

Anselmus - Is latin the most widely spoken language in your country? If not what is?

Calizorinstan - What percent of your people speak German and what percent speak French?

West Scandia (a.k.a. Kirav) - Can you translate 'The official channel for the Atlantican Union' into Scandian? How different is it from Icelandic?

Greek and English. Greek is more widely spoken through the northern regions English in the south.

What percent of your pop speaks Greek and what percent of your pop speak English? It's hard to do two per country because then we may end up with 30+ languages. And that is a pain in the Ass to translate.

English is the official language if thats what you meant, but Greek is spoken by about 48% of the pop.

Benelux, 75% speak German, and 17% French, and the other percent is Luxembourgian.

Calizorinstan speaks English as a primary language, and in some parts, they speak exclusively German, so put us down for English and German, and in some parts French.

Benelux, 75% speak German, and 17% French, and the other percent is Luxembourgian.

What about English? Or are you doing away with the general pop speaking English?

Let's see...

effectively, 98% of my population can read, understand and speak Dutch. Writing isn't as wide spread.

About 5% use Luxembourgish fluently

About 5% use Frisian fluently

About 8% use German fluently

About 26% use French fluently.

Frisian is out considering it isn't spoken anywhere near the border.

I'd say German gains recognition using your numbers which don't include English unless english overlaps like dutch does for my country.

Now we need to convert these percentages into numbers because your population is larger than mine:

This means that

27,750,000 of my citizens use Luxembourgish fluently and another 27,750,000 use Frisian fluently.

44,400,000 of my citizens use German fluently.

144,300,000 of my citizens use French fluently.

Using your numbers:

1,523,250,000 of your citizens use German.

345,270,000 of your citizens use French

162,480,000 of your citizens use Luxembourgish.

out of 2.586 billion citizens:

1,567,650,000 use German

489,570,000 use French

190,230,000 use Luxembourgish.

That's:

About 60% of our combined citizens use German.

About 19% of our combined citizens use French.

About 7% of our combined citizens use Luxembourgish.

Obviously, German wins.

Whoops, it's actually 74% English, 15% German, 5% French and 5% Luxenbourgian.

time to re-do calculations:

Using your numbers:

304,650,000 use German

101,550,000 use French

101,550,000 use Luxembourgish

out of 2.586 billion citizens:

349,050,000 use German

245,850,000 use French

129,300,000 use Luxembourgish

That is:

13% use German

10% use French

5% use Luxembourgish.

Not near large enough numbers.

I actually haven't thought about this very throughly yet. But I'll get on that.

Does anyone else's citizens speak flemish?

Its the dialect most common in the southern provinces (RL Beligum & Luxembourg) although Standard Dutch is spoken in the north (RL Netherlands).

The language situation in Anselmus is this. The two official languages of the country are Latin and English. English is spoken, while all students are required to learn Latin in school as a written language. In the north of the country, specifically the provinces of Liguria, Romania, and Toscania, there is a significant proportion of citizens that speaks French or German in the home. In the south, specifically the provinces of Sicilia, Lucania, Basilicata, Apulia, and Campania, Italian is the dominant language spoken in the home. In the center of the country, English is the dominant spoken language.

That's all fine and dandy but I need numbers and percents here, not generalisations. This is for the working languages of the AU not some little survey here and if you have ever been to the AtlanticanUnion channel on IRC you would know that the topic has the same message is all the [confirmed] working languages of the AU except for Scandian.

Well, Hmm...
99.7% of Norsikians are proficient in English(Read,Write,Speak,Play NS)
41% Are fully Proficient in German(Mainly the older ones)
11% Proficient in Russian
4% Proficient in Chinese
5% Proficient in Hindi
(These are the 4 languages offered in schools for extra credit in Norsikia)

90% of population speaks English with some degree of fluency
70% of population has some proficiency in written Latin

30% of population, largely in the south, speaks primarily Italian
25% of population, largely in the north, speaks primarily French
10% of population, largely in the north, speaks primarily German
30% of population, largely in the center, speaks primarily English
5% of population speaks primarily another language in the home (Spanish, Greek, others)

Norsikia - That's very interesting

Anselmus - Wait, latin it is only written? And why do you have two statistics for English? Let's just have English and all document must be written in Latin too. As for minority languages...

466,500,000 - Italian
388,750,000 - French
155,500,000 - German

Combined with Calizorinstan and I's statistics for German and French...

out of 4.141 billion...

634,600,000 - 15% - French
504,550,000 - 12% - German


Numbers are still too low to make either a minority language. I'm curious about other AU members as well.

The two English statistics are percentage of the total population that is fluent in English (90%) and percentage that speak it as their first language (30%). Of that 90%, 60% speak another language as their first language.

3 whole days with nothing? What happened?

I started nuking people, particularly Shanestan, for going into anarchy. Then everyone got afraid and left.

Well, you're a large nation with a galactic empire behind you. Kind of hard to stand up without quivering to that. Unless you're AMF :p

Well, you're a large nation with a galactic empire behind you. Kind of hard to stand up without quivering to that. Unless you're AMF :p

AMF alone, in MT, could Pwn my FT and my MT without lifting a damn finger. I'd probably pee in my pants, change them, do it again, and cry in pain unimaginable by the human mind. Cause, well, I'd be doomed.

Otherwise I just like picking on the nations that think their strong or allow it...cause its fun to nuke people. XD

I mean, I don't PICK on them, I just do it if they allow me to. You know, cause they explode, and I don't. Hardie har har!

How ya don't get nuclear fire raining back down on ya I don't know.

Dude, look at him. Would you dare to rain nuclear fire back on him?

Yeah, sure, when I have a death wish, which means When I quit NS.

True true.

I'm gonna nuke you....with babies.

Somehow I think us swapping nukes would collaspe NS.

Somehow I think us swapping nukes would collaspe NS.

Yes, it would, and therefore collapse the Time/Space continuum of NationStates and thereby allow me to win.

I might like that.

Your logic is flawed, chief. But I like it...
You remind me of a good slacker friend of mine...

Your logic is flawed, chief. But I like it...
You remind me of a good slacker friend of mine...

There was one time where I would have killed you for that comment, but today is your lucky day. Today, I'll just drink to flawed logic.

That's good, considering I just bought some Shot glasses.

*Pours Whiskey for Anagonia*

OMFG GENERAL =O

*ahem*

Ahhhhh!

I would be willing to make comprimises with the NOP on arms trading. Would either you or Yani be interested? (of course in a seperate thread)

Yeah, I would be interested. At least now we're making some progress and moving away from the old Cold War. However, do know that I have nothing to sell :p . Well, right now anyway.

I would be willing to make comprimises with the NOP on arms trading. Would either you or Yani be interested? (of course in a seperate thread)

Sure thing.

Sure thing.

How about something along the lines of we set up factories and other assets in each others nations? (Note just a word of OOC warning, anthing with Binarian and Corporation in it is controled by the Binarian Maffia, which is a semi-rouge element of my version of the CIA, KGB, MI-6, ect.)

I have something similar, the "capitalist underground", a crime syndicate run by the government.

I'm sure they'll keep an eye on them. Maybe even strike up a deal for illegal drug or arms sales.

I have something similar, the "capitalist underground", a crime syndicate run by the government.

I'm sure they'll keep an eye on them. Maybe even strike up a deal for illegal drug or arms sales.

How do you feel about corporate armies? A good chunk of my millitary equipment (tanks, rifles, artillery, Armored vehicles, ships munitions of all shapes and sizes) is made, and designed by the Binarian Corporate Conglomerate, so they have access to state of the art millitary hardware.

That would constitute a foreign military under Yanitarian law, and wouldn't be allowed to have things like tanks, artillery, or fighter planes.

However, security companies are allowed, but are subject to extensive laws limiting what they can carry, and how many people there can be which changes depending on the perceived threat.

Basically, if the caliber is 14.5mm or below, or the armour is 20mm or less, it should be fine.

That would constitute a foreign military under Yanitarian law, and wouldn't be allowed to have things like tanks, artillery, or fighter planes.

However, security companies are allowed, but are subject to extensive laws limiting what they can carry, and how many people there can be which changes depending on the perceived threat.

Basically, if the caliber is 14.5mm or below, or the armour is 20mm or less, it should be fine.

Would this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13340107&postcount=8) be acteptable if the 40mm Grenades are non-lethal rounds?

EA is dying...

EA is dying...

I know. I'm trying to stop it. If you didn't threaten to nuke us for any hostile action, it might not be dying. You scared people from RPing at the region level. So if you would promise not to nuke me if one of my soldiers steps foot on your soil, I might be willing to try to get this region away from becoming inactive.

OOC:

Oh, nukes? Stoki wouldn't do that, he's a good friend of mine. He knows my side, the twisted Nukem side. You see, long ago Duke Nukem had a child, and I'm that child. I love nukes, and no one can outnuke me.

Plus he's a mighty fine rper, and wouldn't do that. So the EA needs to thrive, or I might find target practice. Seriously. Anyone see Shanestan? How he said he was leaving and left his country open? I nuked the heck out of it, just because it was fun to do.

Like Ol' Daddy used to say:

"Anyone else want some?!"

:D

I know. I'm trying to stop it. If you didn't threaten to nuke us for any hostile action, it might not be dying. You scared people from RPing at the region level. So if you would promise not to nuke me if one of my soldiers steps foot on your soil, I might be willing to try to get this region away from becoming inactive.

I don't think he scared anyone away because even NOP is experiencing inactivity.

OOC:

Oh, nukes? Stoki wouldn't do that,

Ask him, not me.

We can RP with out nuking or invading anyone in the region. However, I think this inactivity is due to the spring break.

As for the IFV, yeah sure, so long as the 40mm are non-lethal.

About Yanitarian export and import laws, any ships in Yanitarian waters have to send the port authority a day's notice, and all ships are at least given a cursory search. That okay with you?

How cursory are we talking? Just a check in the holds to see what it is, or just a manifest check?

EDIT: you got MSN, AIM, ect?

On the most boring of days, where the customs officers are as lazy as can be, it's a manifest check, and opening 2-3 boxes.

However, they are supposed to check 5-10. But the job is very boring, and so it's easy to get lazy.

AIM: Comradecadaver

I am usually on all day, but I may be brief. I am doing a major research paper, which I've been neglecting in favour of HoI2 (nearly conquered all of Europe as germany, and it's only early 1940. But now the russians are giving me major headaches).

OOC:

Oh, nukes? Stoki wouldn't do that, he's a good friend of mine. He knows my side, the twisted Nukem side. You see, long ago Duke Nukem had a child, and I'm that child. I love nukes, and no one can outnuke me.

Plus he's a mighty fine rper, and wouldn't do that. So the EA needs to thrive, or I might find target practice. Seriously. Anyone see Shanestan? How he said he was leaving and left his country open? I nuked the heck out of it, just because it was fun to do.

Like Ol' Daddy used to say:

"Anyone else want some?!"

:D

Mate, 'fraid you're very wrong on that one. I was informed New Pictavia would be glassed too even if it stayed neutral from a Binarian-NOP conflict.

On the side of not much happening: Well nobody's doing anything, that's why. Only a handful of folk in the region appear to actually be active in II (despite the terms and purpose of the region) and I'm ridiculously busy at the moment as well.

"Hello!"
(Echo)"Hello! Hello! Hello!"
"Is anyone out there!"
(Echo)"Out there! Out there! Out there!"

"Hello!"
(Echo)"Hello! Hello! Hello!"
"Is anyone out there!"
(Echo)"Out there! Out there! Out there!"

*Nukes*

*Nukes*

Pwnt

On the side of not much happening: Well nobody's doing anything, that's why. Only a handful of folk in the region appear to actually be active in II (despite the terms and purpose of the region) and I'm ridiculously busy at the moment as well.

Hmm. >_>

Time to activate my *cough* plan.

*plays bagpipe funeral music*

This was a good region, but alas, 'twas not meant to be.

*sheds single, beautiful tear*