NationStates Jolt Archive

Huzzah for a regional embassy thread! Huzzah!

In all seriousness, I think we should document all of our country's stats in a block, like Kirav did for his commonwealth.

Happily "borrowed" from Kirav:

Application

Official Name:

Political System:

Head of Government:

Legislative Body(if any):

Capital City:

Population:

Official Language(s):

Other Languages:

Climate:

Vegetation:

Natural Resources:

Chief Industries:

Chief Crops:

Economic System:

Names of Colonies/Territories:

Combined Population of Colonies:

Ethnic Groups: Note: Racial Groups(White/Caucasian, Black/African), and Geographic Descriptors (Asian), do not count.

Religions:

Non-Human Sentient Species:

State your current positions on:

The Environment

Marijuana

Colonialism

Arts & Culture

Science, Technology & Education

Militarism

the UN

In your nation, as an average citizen, could I legally....

Eat Trans-Fat?
Own a weapon?
Speak Freely?
Smoke in Public?
View Pornography?
Get an Abortion?
Kill a Dolphin?
Wear Baggy Jeans?
Appear Nude on a public street?
Own a business?
Vote?
Attend Church?
Have children without a licence?
Go to a university?
Own Land?
Marry freely?
Retain my land, even if the Government wants it?
Drive?
Drink?
Drink and Drive?

Is education compulsory in your nation?

Are "Affirmative Action" laws in place in your nation?

What alliances are you in?

Benelux: 1. What are the subdivisions of your country? (for example, provinces, states, cantons, duchies, etc.)

each of my individual "states" are actually kingdoms united back in the early 1000's after the Prakrit-Erapeen War

2. What would everyone feel about a regional embassy exchange thread?
good:P

as for drugs my parliament would be willing to further discuss the taxation on "goods" the taxation will surely be higher on ecstasy then on marijuana

This is the "unofficial document just to give y'all an idea on me"

Official Name: The Most Serene Imperial Union of Surailia

Political System: Elective Absolute monarchy

Head of Government:Chairman is head with prime minister superior acting directly under him and a series of prime ministers for each governemt

Legislative Body(if any): people may speak their opinion in the "boule(boo-lay)" if the law being debated in the boule reaches quorum then the law moves up to the house where the reps from the individual kingdoms debate on it then send it to the senate to be voted on if it is approved by both the house and the panel of judges in the senate then it finally goes to the chairman's office to be viewed by him and the other prime ministers where he will sign it making it law

Capital City:Cirica

Population: 75 Million and growing

Official Language(s):English, French, Erainian, Paratik

Other Languages: picktish, other official languages from region, Pakistani

Climate:Mediterranean to oceanic to alpine in the east

Vegetation:50% covered tracditonal european vegitation

Natural Rescources: Argriculture, uranium,iron,coal,bauxite,gold, fish to name a few

Chief Industries: Argriculture, Engery Production, Information Technology, Arms Manufacturing,

Chief Crops: traditional european crop, figs

Economic System: Capitalist/laissez faire although there are some Crown Corporations

Names of Colonies/Territories:Corsica,Tezcatlipocca

Combined Population of Colonies: 25 million

Ethnic Groups: Paratick,Earapeen, Corsican, Iberian

Religions: Gaianism,Buddhism,Catholicism, Jewish, Islam, Aithiest ,Hindu,satanism....
(cath-aholic:P)
Non-Human Sentient Species:i dont think thats allowed here

State your current positions(in short and OOC) on:

The Environment we like it lets keep it

Marajuana see above but we ask you do it indoors like with alchohol

Colonialism we are an emprie

Arts & Culture LOVE IT 100% nessasary just look at our capital

Science, Technology & Education just as important as the arts if not more

Militarism meh we have one...and we will kick your butts if you try to take away our teritory/freedoms

the UN its good

In your nation, as an average citizen, could I legally....

Eat Trans-Fat?yeah but we recommend you don't
Own a weapon?yes but it must be registered and be used out of public
Speak Freely?sure, just not hate
Smoke in Public? sure, just put it out if asked politely
View Pornography?yeah, it generally lowers our rape #'s
Get an Abortion?yes but as a last resort
Kill a Dolphin?no, its mean but not illegal so yeah but don't its cruel
Wear Baggy Jeans?yepp
Appear Nude on a public street?yepp, but its still pretty taboo
Own a buisness? totally
Vote?sorta
Attend Church? yepp we feel that its good to be up in the community god is good as long as it dosent mean hating each other (Gaianism and Buddhism are #1 for a reason)
Have children without a license?yeah
Go to a university? we recommend you do
Own Land?yepp but the crown still technically owns it....
Marry freely?yeah...with a license
Retain my land, even if the Government wants it? to a point but if you break laws or owe tax money we can reposes it
Drive?yes but we recommend hybrid or pneumatic vehicles
Drink?yeah, not in public unless its joy day then f*ck it:P
Drink and Drive?nope never thats how people die...

Is education compulsory in your nation?untillt he age of 16

Are "Affrimative Action" laws in place in your nation?no we are mostly one race ....and Iberian....dirty..im kidding no you need reasons to turn people down and if we suspect racsim then they can go to civil court

What alliances are you in? UC CS

Beatus: say what?

Surailia: OK then.

Stok:

Official Name: The Dutch Kingdom of Benelux

Political System: Absolute monarchy w/ municipal elections

Head of Government: King Willem V

Legislative Body(if any): n/a

Capital City: Amsterdam

Population: approx. 20 million

Official Language(s): Dutch; West Frisian, French, German and Luxembourgish are official in various provinces

Other Languages: immigrant languages

Climate: Cwa (I think) according to Köppen climate classification

Vegetation: Broadleaf forest

Natural Rescources: not known

Chief Industries: Gambling, IT

Chief Crops: not known

Economic System: Capitalist

Names of Colonies/Territories: n/a

Combined Population of Colonies: n/a

Ethnic Groups: Dutch, other Europeans

Religions: Protestant, Roman Catholic

Non-Human Sentient Species: n/a

State your current positions on:

The Environment: Not concerned

Marijuana: Legal

Colonialism: No, expanding territroy is easier

Arts & Culture: Not concerned

Science, Technology & Education: Useful

Militarism: Positive

the UN: boneless

In your nation, as an average citizen, could I legally....

Eat Trans-Fat? No
Own a weapon? Depends
Speak Freely? Yes
Smoke in Public? If no one is bothered by it.
View Pornography? as an adult
Get an Abortion? Yes
Kill a Dolphin? Yes
Wear Baggy Jeans? Yes
Appear Nude on a public street? No
Own a buisness? Yes
Vote? Only at the Municipal level
Attend Church? Yes
Have children without a licence? Yes
Go to a university? Yes
Own Land? Yes
Marry freely? Yes
Retain my land, even if the Government wants it? Yes
Drive? Yes
Drink? Yes
Drink and Drive? Yes, but you are held responsible as if you are not drunk.

Is education compulsory in your nation? No

Are "Affrimative Action" laws in place in your nation? No

What alliances are you in? none at the moment

A poor attempt to give a location to my nation.

I think I get it, though I would have extended to that little notch leading to the peninsula while not controlling the peninsula itself.

Application

Official Name:The Free Republic Of Oily Prata

Political System:Socialist Democracy

Head of Government:President Willheim Zeko

Legislative Body(if any): parliment

Capital City:City Prime(Legislative)New Manhattan(Business)

Population:Approx. 1.4 Billion

Official Language(s):English,German,Russian in some areas

Other Languages:Immigrant languages

Climate:Nordic

Vegetation:Nordic

Natural Rescources:Nordic

Chief Industries:Oil,Arms production

Chief Crops:Wheat,Atlantic Cod

Economic System:Unknown

Names of Colonies/Territories:N/A(Dead)

Combined Population of Colonies:N/A

Ethnic Groups:Oily Pratan,Immigrants from europe and Asia such as russia,Singapore,India and China

Religions:Buddhism,Christian(All denominations),Catholics,Hinduism,Taoism,Atheist

Non-Human Sentient Species:N/A

State your current positions on:

The Environment: Concerned

Marijuana: Illegal

Colonialism: Good if it's profitable

Arts & Culture: Supported

Science, Technology & Education: MAKE ORBITAL CANNONS FOR THE MILITARY!

Militarism: Good

the UN: Pompus but necessary(sp)

In your nation, as an average citizen, could I legally....

Eat Trans-Fat?Y
Own a weapon?Y
Speak Freely?Y
Smoke in Public?Y
View Pornography?Y
Get an Abortion?Y
Kill a Dolphin?N
Wear Baggy Jeans?N
Appear Nude on a public street?N
Own a buisness?Y
Vote?Y
Attend Church?Y
Have children without a licence?Y
Go to a university?Y
Own Land?Y
Marry freely?Y
Retain my land, even if the Government wants it?N
Drive?Y
Drink?Y
Drink and Drive?N

Is education compulsory in your nation?Y

Are "Affrimative Action" laws in place in your nation?

What alliances are you in?

super interesting it seems like the farther west and south you go the more....not communist you get


also: can someone fix the map with respect to my nation before i go insane ...you know what can i just have Iberia

I FEAR STOKLOMOVI Look down

Application

Official Name: The Communist Dominion of Stoklomolvi

Political System: Communistic dictatorship

Head of Government: Commissar Alexei Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich

Legislative Body(if any): None

Capital City: Vladistov; executive, judicial, legislative

Population: ~1.3 billion

Official Language(s): British English, Russian, Mandarin Chinese

Other Languages: None

Climate: Varies tremendously

Vegetation: Varies tremendously

Natural Resources: Factbook

Chief Industries: Arms manufacturing, beef-based agriculture, uranium mining

Chief Crops: Wheat

Economic System: Communistic state

Names of Colonies/Territories: Philippine state, Brazilian state, Peruvian state, African state

Combined Population of Colonies: Census outdated

Ethnic Groups: Stoklomolvi

Religions: Tremendous variety

Non-Human Sentient Species: None

State your current positions on:

The Environment - highly important; fusion widespread

Marijuana - illegal

Colonialism - we prefer "imperialism"

Arts & Culture - highly important; art colleges and communities

Science, Technology & Education - highly important; prestigious colleges and universities

Militarism - military police, compulsory military service

the UN - a glob of jelly

In your nation, as an average citizen, could I legally....

Eat Trans-Fat? No
Own a weapon? No
Speak Freely? No
Smoke in Public? No
View Pornography? No
Get an Abortion? Depends on situation
Kill a Dolphin? No
Wear Baggy Jeans? No
Appear Nude on a public street? No
Own a business? No
Vote? No
Attend Church? Yes
Have children without a licence? Yes
Go to a university? Yes
Own Land? Yes
Marry freely? Yes
Retain my land, even if the Government wants it? No
Drive? Yes
Drink? Illegal except for the Dominion hotel in Vladistov
Drink and Drive? No

Is education compulsory in your nation? Yes

Are "Affirmative Action" laws in place in your nation? No

What alliances are you in? UC

Official Name: Capitalist Republic of No Taxes

Political System: Minarchist Confederal Government

Head of Government: Chancellor Vitaliy Friedhelm

Legislative Body(if any): National Congress

Capital City: Isidor

Population: ~4.05 Billion

Official Language(s): German, Hungarian, Serbian, Russian, Polish

Other Languages: Italian, French, Czech, Slovenian, Croatian, Romanian, Farsi, Hindi, Malay, Minor Languages

Climate: Temperate

Vegetation: Temperate

Natural Resources: Uranium, Iron Ore, Copper, Rare Metals, Timber, Agricultural Products, Others

Chief Industries: Automobile Manufacturing, Gambling, Soda Sales, Insurance, Arms Manufacturing, Information Technology, Heavy Industries, Chemical Processing

Chief Crops: Wheat, Livestock, Barley

Economic System: Laissez-Faire

Names of Colonies/Territories: N/A

Combined Population of Colonies: N/A

Ethnic Groups: Roughly Same as Languages

Religions: Atheism, Agnosticism, Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, Islam, Others

Non-Human Sentient Species: N/A

State your current positions on:

The Environment - Who Cares?

Marijuana - Why should I care if he wants to get high?

Colonialism - We believe in indirect control through economic means.

Arts & Culture - Private Matters

Science, Technology & Education - Private Matters

Militarism - There is currently not too much militarist sentiment, although there are several quite large mercenary forces.

the UN - International Meddler

In your nation, as an average citizen, could I legally....

Eat Trans-Fat? Y
Own a weapon? Y (all kinds, except for nuclear, chemical and biological weapons)
Speak Freely? Y
Smoke in Public? Y
View Pornography? Y
Get an Abortion? Y
Kill a Dolphin? Y
Wear Baggy Jeans? Y
Appear Nude on a public street? Y, if you don't mind being ridiculed
Own a business? Y
Vote? Y
Attend Church? Y, but who would want to?
Have children without a licence? Y
Go to a university? Y
Own Land? Y
Marry freely? Y
Retain my land, even if the Government wants it? Y
Drive? Y
Drink? Y
Drink and Drive? N, although no one really enforces it.

Is education compulsory in your nation? No

Are "Affirmative Action" laws in place in your nation? No

What alliances are you in? CA

Application

Official Name: The Republic of the Beatus

Political System: Interim Government

Head of Government: Jim Lange (Temp.)

Legislative Body(if any): Not at this time

Capital City: The City of the Blessed (May Change soon)

Population: 355 million

Official Language(s): English

Other Languages: No Data Available

Climate: Cold winters, mild summers, average precipitation

Vegetation: Pine Forest, grasslands, tundra

Natural Resources: Oil, coal

Chief Industries: Arms Manufacturing, Uranium Mining, Automobile Manufacturing, Gambling

Chief Crops: Wheat, Barley

Economic System: Capitalistic

Names of Colonies/Territories: No Data Available

Combined Population of Colonies: No Data Available

Ethnic Groups: Beatusian

Religions: The Path of the Blessed

Non-Human Sentient Species: None

State your current positions on:

The Environment: Can take care of it self

Marijuana: Take it elsewhere

Colonialism: as bad as Imperialism

Arts & Culture: Can pay for them selves

Science, Technology & Education: Are crucial to surviving in the modern world

Militarism: I don't get it?

the UN: getting a headache just thinking about it

In your nation, as an average citizen, could I legally....

Eat Trans-Fat? Why not?
Own a weapon? Of course, its encouraged
Speak Freely? if you want to die
Smoke in Public? do you want to be shot?
View Pornography? it's a free country
Get an Abortion? If you enjoy living in the woods alone, ostracized by your friends and neighbors
Kill a Dolphin? No
Wear Baggy Jeans? If it pleases you
Appear Nude on a public street? NOOOOOOO!
Own a business? Its your Bob given right
Vote? Why not
Attend Church? It's recommend it
Have children without a license? Why would you need a license?
Go to a university? If you can afford it
Own Land? The government won't stop you
Marry freely? If it's a woman and a man
Retain my land, even if the Government wants it? We are not savages
Drive? If you can afford a car, and gas
Drink? as long as you don't drive
Drink and Drive? No, under penalty of lobotomy

Is education compulsory in your nation? Yes to a degree

Are "Affirmative Action" laws in place in your nation? Uh-fur-muh-tiv ak-shuh?

What alliances are you in? No Data Available

Official Name: Empire of Binaria

Political System: Constitiuonal Monarchy

Head of Government: Emporer Ander Olson

Legislative Body(if any): 1 house

Capital City: Binaria City

Population:4.123 billion

Official Language(s): N/A

Other Languages:English

Climate: Mild Contential, Tundra, Subartic

Vegetation:

Natural Resources: Oil,Uranium, Iron, Tungsten, cobalt, lead, bauxite, water,coal

Chief Industries: Defence Sector

Chief Crops: Corn, soybeans, Wheat, oats,

Economic System: Capitialist

Names of Colonies/Territories: N/A

Combined Population of Colonies:N/A

Ethnic Groups: Note: Racial Groups(White/Caucasian, Black/African), and Geographic Descriptors (Asian), do not count.

Religions: Non-reiligous 87%, Christian 10% muslim 2% Jewish%

Non-Human Sentient Species: N/A

State your current positions on:

The Environment: fairly protective.

Marijuana:Legal

Colonialism: supports

Arts & Culture: government funded

Science, Technology & Education: Full support

Militarism: A good thing

the UN: meh.

In your nation, as an average citizen, could I legally....

Eat Trans-Fat? y
Own a weapon?y
Speak Freely?y
Smoke in Public?n
View Pornography?y
Get an Abortion?y
Kill a Dolphin?y
Wear Baggy Jeans?y
Appear Nude on a public street?y
Own a business?y
Vote?y
Attend Church?y
Have children without a licence?y
Go to a university?y
Own Land?y
Marry freely?y
Retain my land, even if the Government wants it?n
Drive?y
Drink?y
Drink and Drive?n

Is education compulsory in your nation?y

Are "Affirmative Action" laws in place in your nation?n

What alliances are you in? Greater Prussian Empire, ACID, LION

Official Name: The Great Imperial Empire of HRH <insert ruling monarch> of Hectonia (The Empire of Hectonia for short)

Political System: Constituional Monarchy

Head of Government: Emperor Philip II

Legislative Body(if any): None

Capital City:November city

Population:86 million

Official Language(s):Greek, English

Other Languages:Italian, Serbian, Bulgarian

Climate:Mediterranean

Vegetation:Mediterranean

Natural Resources:Oil, Timber, Agricultral, Iron Ore, Copper, Marbel, Gold, Coal

Chief Industries:Arms Manufacturing, I.T

Chief Crops: Wheat, Oats

Economic System: Mixed

Names of Colonies/Territories: Greece, Macedonia Parts of Bulgaria and Serbia

Combined Population of Colonies:

Ethnic Groups:Hectonian, Greek, Bulgarian, No taxian and Yanitarian

Religions:N/A

Non-Human Sentient Species:N/A

State your current positions on:

The Environment- Not that concerned

Marijuana- Illegal in public places

Colonialism- Favourite pastime

Arts & Culture- Full backing

Science, Technology & Education- Full backing

Militarism- Great

the UN- A nuisance

In your nation, as an average citizen, could I legally....

Eat Trans-Fat?Y
Own a weapon?N
Speak Freely?N
Smoke in Public?Y
View Pornography?Y
Get an Abortion?Y
Kill a Dolphin?Y
Wear Baggy Jeans?N
Appear Nude on a public street?N
Own a business?Y
Vote?N
Attend Church?N
Have children without a licence?N
Go to a university?Y
Own Land?Y
Marry freely?Y
Retain my land, even if the Government wants it?N
Drive?Y
Drink?Y
Drink and Drive?N

Is education compulsory in your nation?Y

Are "Affirmative Action" laws in place in your nation?

What alliances are you in?

A poor attempt to give a location to my nation.

No, it's a ridiculously confusing way of giving your location. Can you just sketch out your claim instead?

Everyone else
Woah, application overload. Plus it is a ridiculously long application at that. As for embassies, people already have their own embassy threads which serve much the same purpose, plus the AU would undoubtedly supersede the need for inter-Atlantican embassies, with most affairs being consolidated through some kind of AU council or community of representatives. But you guys sure do like filling out forms...

No, it's a ridiculously confusing way of giving your location. Can you just sketch out your claim instead?

He was trying to describe it through word sinstead of pictures. I don't think he can describe it with pictures.

the AU would undoubtedly supersede the need for inter-Atlantican embassies, with most affairs being consolidated through some kind of AU council or community of representatives. But you guys sure do like filling out forms...

It gives us insight into eachother's nations even if it isn't for any other purpose. I guess you are correct so embassy thread won't be a go, instead the AU will resolve problems.

Comments on the forms:

Binaria: In a constitutional monarchy, like the UK today, Prime Minister is Head of Government and the Monarch is Head of State.

Beatus: May I ask why you have an interim government? I would also like to hear more about this religion, 'the Path of the Blessed'.

No Taxes: It says chief industries, lol. Practically the same as my personal views on most of those things.

Stok: Colonies were supposed to be dropped but w/e. Talk about strict society.

Oily Prata: I wouldn't say free if you don't have the level of freedom like No Taxes.

Surailia: Do you have a map of the 'states'?

What I think Beatus is claiming:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/Uiri/EAPoliticalMapMkXI.png

not to sound repetitive but its Friday and i'm going out for a night of fun so can you guys fix my map up so i can stop being annoying:P

FINAL CLAIM: IBERIA AND THE CURRENT SURAILIAN CLAIM AND CORSICA

i shall read up on this tomoroz!

much love to the Nova Erope!

Surailia, I estimate that what you already have + Corisca and the Iberian peninsula is over 1,000,000 square kilometres. I do believe it will be a strict 'No' from Nova Pictavia. Personally, I think your claim is a lot, including Corsica. Wait until the Italian peninsula is claimed before asking for Sardinia because the person who claims it might not mind giving Sardinia to you. Or you could buy it off of them for $100,000/square kilometre ($2,409,000,000), considering the price of real estate today. Of course if anyone wants to sell territory, the Dutch Kingdom is a willing buyer.

Sorry for the confusing claim, here is what I had in mind,

http://a879.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/92/l_6b4c90f7dc9894a5ecb810a5aa0b64de.png

Kewl. Do you have any more information on your nation such as sub-divisions, languages (besides English) or history?

Kewl. Do you have any more information on your nation such as sub-divisions, languages (besides English) or history?

Sub divisions will come after the new government is settled and it has been worked out.

Oily Prata: I wouldn't say free if you don't have the level of freedom like No Taxes.


The Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Heh.

This is what I had in mind for a while now...

Blue slash = Beatus
Red slash = Stok

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd188/NS_Crossbowman/myproposal.png

why is what im asking so much....stoklo, is allready has like a billion km

My actual nation was based on Russia, and NP already took a whole bunch of land away so that I could join this region. I only want a sliver of land that's actually to be used.

Stoklomolvi, that would give you the whole east, why do you need more land anyway? Your taking the best part of my land

Sub divisions will come after the new government is settled and it has been worked out.

Ahhh. What about religion and (other) languages. surely no russian country would use English only.

Stoklomolvi, that would give you the whole east, why do you need more land anyway? Your taking the best part of my land

Because he want's sea acess in the north, and he's russia.

why is what im asking so much....stoklo, is allready has like a billion km

When it comes down to it, the edge of the map = the edge of the world. don't fall off.

My actual nation was based on Russia, and NP already took a whole bunch of land away so that I could join this region. I only want a sliver of land that's actually to be used.

Exactly. Stok, you don't have more than, what, 750,000 square kilometres in the region?

We have a religion, the Path of the Blessed. Of course there are other languages, but the government is in very poor shape, so that information is not readily available, but they would be, Russian, Icelandic, and English

(just to establish official communication)

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/Uiri/NL_-_COA.png

Greetings to the Interim Government of Beatus,

I wish to learn more about your culture and I hope you may learn more of mine. I also wish to you the best of luck in establishing political stability. The Dutch Kingdom has had stability for over 175 years. Firstly, we wish to learn about your religion.

Here in the Dutch Kingdom, most citizens practise either some form of Catholicism or Protestantism. Personally, I am a very libertarian Prostetant. Both religions are Christian and thus believe Jesus to be the messiah and follow the Bible.

Best Wishes,
Willem VI,
Grand Duke of East Lixembourg

P.S. I apologize for the fact that my father, the reigning monarch, cannot speak to you directly.

To Willem VI Grand Duke of East Lixembourg,

Thank you for your wishes of luck, in achieving governmental stability. We would love to discuss our culture and religion at length, but I am very busy at this time, what with the planing of our former leaders funeral, and reconstructing of the government, maybe you could do this with me, or my predecessor, at a later date.

Signed,
Jim Lange,
Acting Leader,
The Republic of the Beatus

Greetings to the Interim Government of Beatus,

I wish to learn more about your culture and I hope you may learn more of mine. We wish you the best of luck in Achieving stability. Surailia itself has lasted for more than a thousand years but has just achieved now the freedom we so much deserve.

the best,

HIM Chairman Gaultier and Jillian Burnhardt (Prime minister Superior)

OOC: BENELUS WTF ARE YOU SAYING:P um i still need a few more mof my states in there and they arent being comped in:P

Just a note: This is not Europe. Beatus can speak whatever language his people want.

I really want that sliver of land...

I really want that sliver of land...

Perhaps you and beatus can work out a deal where you each give each other a port in each other's land, completely run autonomously by theowning country.

Beatus would get one in the black sea, you'd get one in the north.

You're no getting my point argh! I want that sliver because then I can at least incorporate some of my nation's history into this region. Otherwise, it's all scrap.

Makes sense. Dunno if NP will let you, and I am kinda torn, because on the one hand I am sympathetic to you, but on the other, I can see why Beatus would want that sliver.

Just a note: This is not Europe. Beatus can speak whatever language his people want.

I see your point.

How about this map:

http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/Uiri/EAPoliticalMapMkII.png

make it debated territory...like Kashmir's will give this place a little more depth and a possible RP for the future.

now it is important that np comes on so i can discuss my issues with him/her about my land claims

make it debated territory...like Kashmir's will give this place a little more depth and a possible RP for the future.

now it is important that np comes on so i can discuss my issues with him/her about my land claims

Hey, Surailia, I have a friend coming on soon (today or tomorrow) who said he wanted Spain. I don't suppose you could could rethink your expansion? After all, France and Corsica basically make up the limit to the amount of land you can have.

i am adamant on the north part of Iberia and the northwest portion of italian peninsula or alternatively south Britain and wales

i am adamant on the north part of Iberia and the northwest portion of italian peninsula or alternatively south Britain and wales

Surailia, I'm pretty sure what you have + Sardina and Corsica is plenty. Really, NP said to claim the minimum land.

well i claimed my minimum but its still being debated right now those are just "aproximate borders"

and i don't want Sardinia, just Corsica and the territory i claimed

well i claimed my minimum but its still being debated right now those are just "aproximate borders"

and i don't want Sardinia, just Corsica and the territory i claimed


So...present territory and Corsica? Sounds reasonable.

I still really want that sliver of land...

Benelux the territory i have isn't the territory i claimed there is still some place left and stok if u need it that bad then i will support you if you help me get my land back

You want the rest of France, I assume? Also, use correct grammar. Everyone will love you for it.

This should make this more interesting.

link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=545431)

He wants the rest of the Iberian peninsula. Also, what's wrong with this?:

http://s87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/Uiri/EAPoliticalMapMkII.png

After looking at the map, I see it is not what I though it was. Okay, I'm willing to go with the area on Stoklomolvi's map.

i'm not asking for the rest of France my official claim is for the north east of Iberia and the north west of Italy and Corsica.

Surailia, I cannot support you in asking for Italy and Spain. However, I will support you in obtaining Corsica, as well as the rest of RL France. I fear NP's final decision...

not the WHOLE of France and Spain (even though they would fit comfortably inside your borders

this is my claim

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/EAPoliticalMapMkII.png

the red is the claim

I can still only support your Corsican claim. While you may believe that I am just being greedy, and while I sort of am, my nation is based on Russia and has a massive land area to population ratio.

im asking for BARELY anything, i beg of everyone can i just have the things i'm asking for

Surailia, I will support your Italian and Corsican claim although I won't support your Spanish claim. I suggest your border curve south of the mountians and end just beyond the base of the peninsula. Maybe a tiny extention into Iberia but keep in mind Nova Pictavia has final word and won't like this bargaining.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/Surailia-1.gif

thats all i want please can we just get it done and close this :P :(

and i know he wont thats why im trying to keep cool but in all fairness he said they were temporary borders

I would say just drop your Spanish and Italian claims and just claim the rest of France. Unless you already have a massive history written in stone, it wouldn't matter as much.

i have a history though :P

its how we get our islamist people in and helpd make the kingdom thing more realistic

i will however trade it for the southern part of britan shown in pink on my map

Unless you have that history saved in word or some other word processor, chances are you can improvise and rewrite some of it. If I were to rewrite my history, all of the hours spent on writing my previous history would be lost, and my nation as a whole would be changed.

well im just trying to keep most of it together from my move here this wasn't intended to be a European country

Hmm...I'm willing not to fight your borders. They are kewl with me. But the problem is that now you have to deal with Nova Pictavia. I don't think you need to argue it with anyone but NP anymore.

alright well as long as the rest of the region supports my claims i think NP will be more inclined to agree

OOC: All this land dispute hurts my brain.....
While we're talking about land,Binaria,Mind selling Oslo to me?

well land disputes are what happens at the beginning of regions....

stock would u be interested in incorporating your history with mine

ie: my nation was taken over by the soviet dictatorship and recently we have left and reconstructed...kinda like the fall of the Berlin wall but less pathetic.

interested?

OOC: All this land dispute hurts my brain.....
While we're talking about land,Binaria,Mind selling Oslo to me?

Basically,( still unofficial) Surailia gets Corsica and tiny bits of Spain and Italy.

Oily prata, unless you are refering to the County, Oslo as a city doesn't exist unless Binaria says so.

I'm not sure why Stoklomolvi would conquer Surailia, though perhaps it could work out.

nono, think of it like you are the remnants of a huge Soviet empire that just grew too big

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/stock.gif

looking somewhat like this

Benelux, I refer to Oslo as the Port.

well land disputes are what happens at the beginning of regions....

stock would u be interested in incorporating your history with mine

ie: my nation was taken over by the soviet dictatorship and recently we have left and reconstructed...kinda like the fall of the Berlin wall but less pathetic.

interested?

Actually, I just remembered that Yanitaria was interested in 'France' as a colony and once said, and I quote, "Hell to anyone who claims France" in this thread. Later he basically gave up on the idea, but I'm sure he'd be interested in that idea.

I am interested in that idea, although it would require some history re-writing I think I could do it. WWII history re-writing.

nono, think of it like you are the remnants of a huge Soviet empire that just grew too big

link (http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/f...4414/stock.gif)

looking somewhat like this

WTF, waaay too big.

Benelux, I refer to Oslo as the Port

OK...

well its just that before i re made surailia it was a soviet puppet state in asia....but i wana keep the period where it was a soviet puppet state

and its funny i was invited here to help move people out of yanitaria to a free the free land of surailia cause no taxes in anarchy and therefore would be separated by a wall from the 1984-esque Yanitaria and stoklomovi is like....hell and as for hectonia.....w/e i still want an underground to surailia thread happening

Uiri: that is the original empire or sumthing

well its just that before i re made surailia it was a soviet puppet state in asia....but i wana keep the period where it was a soviet puppet state

and its funny i was invited here to help move people out of yanitaria to a free the free land of surailia cause no taxes in anarchy and therefore would be separated by a wall from the 1984-esque Yanitaria and stoklomovi is like....hell and as for hectonia.....w/e i still want an underground to surailia thread happening


OK...well I was thinking perhaps a 'Hitler' took power in Stoklomolvi and basically invaded Yanitaria, No taxes, someone else, you and then me. OP, NP and Binaria come in and free us but you and I remain one territory. King Willem IV (I think) looses Surailia to a workers' revolution and you become led by a soviet dictator who is a puppet of Stok's leader. Eventually a second revolt just now and bang, you're independant and capitalistic.

EDIT: I just realized I'm logged in as Uiri and not Benelux. Sorry.

oh ok yeah basically thats how that would most likely work

Uiri is a pacific island. I thought I was logged in as Benelux. Yeah, huge mess up. Look at the beginning of this thread and you see how Uiri was initially expressing interest to create a separate and active puppet to join. I created the puppet on the 1st and have been posting as Benelux in here since.

Just realized you edited. I just hope Stok is ok with the 'Hitler' thing. Or alternatively whoever claims Germanic territory can have a hitler rise to power. I have a feeling Stok won't mind having a Soviet dictator in Surailia being a puppet of his country.

There is a no puppet rule if the puppet has any ties to the master nation. Since I have a really nice and detailed history of Uiri I didn't want to re-write that. The new rule was ancient racial migration would give an excuse but now that you claimed France and I don't want England or Wales or the Eire Republic, I'm just sticking with the Dutch Kingdom.

i thought there is a no puppet rule.....

what about the rhine?

and i would love to talk about beleluxes history cause i think we are peas in a gilded-pod

Surailia, you aren't suppossed to double-post but that rule is laxxer here than in some other forums.

Yeah, I have Rotterdam on the Rijn but I didn't think the Rijn went through your nation. Yeah, the history of France and the Low countries is close but that can be said about a lot of countries who share a border.

Most of the history is Low Countries, the splitting point is in the 1800's. Belgium is calmed down before it can separate but to give them a little more autonomy, the short name is changed to Betherlands, there was a period before when belgium was referred to as such. Whe (East) Luxembourg is annexed, to help lower resisitance it is made Benelux. The Line doesn't go female and stays through Willems all the way to today. The whole royal family is different.

Dutch is the official national language and official in all provinces. French, German and Luxembourgish are also official in East Luxembourg. West Frisian is co-official in Friesland. Luxembourgish and French are also co-official in West Luxembourg (present day Belgian province.) German and French are co-official in Liege and French is co-official in Namur, Hainaut and Walloon Barbant.

That is all that is marked in stone for now.

no , like your country's details :P

OK...well I was thinking perhaps a 'Hitler' took power in Stoklomolvi and basically invaded Yanitaria, No taxes, someone else, you and then me. OP, NP and Binaria come in and free us but you and I remain one territory. King Willem IV (I think) looses Surailia to a workers' revolution and you become led by a soviet dictator who is a puppet of Stok's leader. Eventually a second revolt just now and bang, you're independant and capitalistic.

Except there's no way he went over the mountains to conquer No Taxes. I don't mind if that is how the regional history goes, but I don't think it would be reasonable (or fit in with my history) for Stoklomolvi to have captured No Taxes a much larger nation. Perhaps to continue with the WW2 Hitler metaphor, No Taxes was like Spain during the war in that it was sort of friendly with Hitler but stayed neutral in the war.

well all i know is that we were soviet and now were not and we wont let it happen again

Whoa, now you're imposing a dictator on me. Well, at one point on Stoklomolvi's history there actually WAS a dictator, but he was in the early 1900s late 1800s. He was killed by one of his own supporters. At any rate, there never really was a dictator in Stoklomolvi, and at first I had Stoklomolvi sit in Eastern Russia and Manchuria. I suppose that Stoklomolvi could have invaded westward and conquered whatnot while No Taxes and Binaria were away, and then the leader was assassinated by a Stoklomolvi rebel.

well im not godmoding this but my history will involve a soviet dictator making us into a SR

its godmoding to tell others what they're history is.

Was that directed at me?

no it was directed at me

let me rephrase that

IF ANYONE WANTS TO WRITE A SOVIET DICTATORSHIP TAKING SURAILIA IT WOULD BE GOOD....PREFERABLE STOCK AS HE ALREADY IS (with all due respect) A SOVIET NIGHTMARE

GAWK! A Soviet NIGHTMARE?! I am offended :rolleyes: ! Technically Stoklomolvi is not a "nightmare", more of a human, civil, and political rights incinerator. Mostly political, though; people get free healthcare, food, etc. as long as they contribute to the Dominion.

OOC: so do the slaves in my basement they just have to obey me and belive that i am god's messenger and that is why they get to be my slaves

Riiiight..... Since Oily Prata has a period of being conquered,before being liberated(Blah, Blah, Blah), I suggest that if Stok Agrees, he has a Stalin-esqe dictator(Albeit more expansionistic) who conquers all of Euro, but not NP in England, and the rest goes on like WW2. With help from local resistance fighters,Np and whoever is still free push Stok back to his current borders a-la D-Day.

Perfect :P

Here is what I gathered:

No Taxes allows Stok to march through towards Western Europe. Stok conquers Benelux and Surailia. After the war, Benelux has control of Surailia. Revolution of '68 frees Surailia and Soviet Republic is put in place. Coup d'Etat and it ends up like the Soviet Union. Collapse of '04 turns Surailia into what it is today. Stok has a lot more influence than it normally should have over Surailia.

Also, (if Surailia is ok with this) during the time the Low Countries was ruled by the French Republic and French Empire and Batavian Republic, let's say Surailia had Benelux under it's thumb. the United Netherlands and (East) Luxembourg revolt and separate from the Empire and we have the present monarchy. This would have been from 1795 to 1815.

No Taxes (if you want) has rule over present-day Belgium and Luxembourg from 1581 until 1795. Liege is a bishopric and the rest is Burgundian(Independantly ruled) until 1581. Present-day Netherlands is a Republic until 1795.

No Taxes (if you want) has rule over present-day Belgium and Luxembourg from 1581 until 1795. Liege is a bishopric and the rest is Burgundian(Independantly ruled) until 1581. Present-day Netherlands is a Republic until 1795.
Sure, my nation was kind of like the Holy Roman Empire historically, thus it would make some sense for them to rule over part of the Lowlands.

well its just that before i re made surailia it was a soviet puppet state in asia....but i wana keep the period where it was a soviet puppet state

and its funny i was invited here to help move people out of yanitaria to a free the free land of surailia cause no taxes in anarchy and therefore would be separated by a wall from the 1984-esque Yanitaria and stoklomovi is like....hell and as for hectonia.....w/e i still want an underground to surailia thread happening

Uiri: that is the original empire or sumthing

Around that time Hectonia would have been wrapped up in trying to hold her territories within the middle east around the early 1980's.

Well, actually, I was referring to the part of history when the Netherlands was under Spanish and Austrian rule. The Bishopric of Liége and the Dutch Republic are excluded from this territory. Since Germany has become the successor state to the Holy Roman Empire, the Bishopric of Liége will count as a historically autonomous territory of whoever claims Germany. You are getting the period under Spanish rule as well because Spain isn't claimed yet and I want the history to be mostly settled now.

well whats good is that this is evolving:

after the fall of the Totoms (romans the name is up to discussion) Europe is in shambles, out of the chaos come 2 families the Gaultiers (ruling the north the area known as Erapeea) and the Paraval Family(the south known as -Para-Tikrit) they fright until what we on real earth would call 1000 until the 2 families meet on the river Cir, a river the separates the 2 alliances

there they sign the Treaty of Cirica and the new capital of Cirica and the new Empire of Surailia is formed the 2 families eventually interbred and the ruling body body became how it is today.

795 years later the north-eastern area separates from Surailia (if you are willing) a revolt lead by an Erapeen Grand Duke over disputes with the Imperial (not royal) Family

in 68' the axis(if willing no taxes(italy) and stok(germany)) takes most of europe.

Benelux and Surailia end up like Czechoslovakia and end up under under a soviet rule the soviets banishes the Imperial Family.

02' Revolution, stock is forced to leave Surailia and the Soviet republic fails

04' the collapse, the Imperial Family is Re-instated with the royal families prime ministers who are elected taking more time in the privy council then the kings and queens. the Chairman is Adam Gaultier

Yanitaria already has it's history written out, so can't be invaded during the WW2 times, although I probably would have friendly relations with Stok since my nation's first founding in 1800

then you can be in the axis?

I'd Rather be a bit neutral.

Also, guess who has the second highest GDP per capita?

not me it appears my people are sefs:P

well dont worry there wont be such a bad connotation to the "Axis" this time

we can call you guys the

Soviet Expansion Force

S.E.F

Hmm...so I'm still the expansionist regime, yes? I suppose that Yanitaria could have been a supplier of food/other logistics stuff, and I marched west and razed everything. Then, on my way back my leader was assassinated by some angry rebel, aka Aleksandr Svisklovovich Stuyonovich, and blah blah blah. Then, Alexei took power, the "empire" crumbled, and alas! Today's whatever. And I still have my Asian stuff, though that's my own history and not part of EA.

yay it all works out and we hate the soviets and the 1984 belif system boom her e is our modern times!

Hmm...so I'm still the expansionist regime, yes? I suppose that Yanitaria could have been a supplier of food/other logistics stuff, and I marched west and razed everything. Then, on my way back my leader was assassinated by some angry rebel, aka Aleksandr Svisklovovich Stuyonovich, and blah blah blah. Then, Alexei took power, the "empire" crumbled, and alas! Today's whatever. And I still have my Asian stuff, though that's my own history and not part of EA.

That works out quite well for me, I am the Bread Basket of EA.

well whats good is that this is evolving:

after the fall of the Totoms (romans the name is up to discussion) Europe is in shambles, out of the chaos come 2 families the Gaultiers (ruling the north the area known as Erapeea) and the Paraval Family(the south known as -Para-Tikrit) they fright until what we on real earth would call 1000 until the 2 families meet on the river Cir, a river the separates the 2 alliances

there they sign the Treaty of Cirica and the new capital of Cirica and the new Empire of Surailia is formed the 2 families eventually interbred and the ruling body body became how it is today.

795 years later the north-eastern area separates from Surailia (if you are willing) a revolt lead by an Erapeen Grand Duke over disputes with the Imperial (not royal) Family

in 68' the axis(if willing no taxes(italy) and stok(germany)) takes most of europe.

Benelux and Surailia end up like Czechoslovakia and end up under under a soviet rule the soviets banishes the Imperial Family.

02' Revolution, stock is forced to leave Surailia and the Soviet republic fails

04' the collapse, the Imperial Family is Re-instated with the royal families prime ministers who are elected taking more time in the privy council then the kings and queens. the Chairman is Adam Gaultier

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No soviets in any country of mine, EVER!!!! I cannot stress that enough. Didn't you read my above post??

Surailia + Benelux = one under Surailia from 1795 until 1815. After Surailia and Benelux are freed, Surailia is under Benelux's rule until '68 is what I was trying to say. What is present day Belgium and Luxembourg except for Liége is under No Taxian rule from 1581 until 1795. What is present-day Netherlands is independant all the time except for the rule by Surailia from 1795 to 1815 and WW occupations.

That's being a bit, er, unfair, isn't it? Having everyone else be occupied but not yourself?

That's being a bit, er, unfair, isn't it? Having everyone else be occupied but not yourself?

What do you mean? I am occupied but I assumed that when the war is over that would be free of soviet influence. Sorry, I guess I kind of worded my sentence badly Here is what I was thinking:

Roman empire ends up collapsing and Benelux is ruled by the Dutch Burgundians. In 1581 the Duchy is overthrown and No Taxes gets the south and the North becomes a Republic. In 1795 the whole Dutch territory is invaded and conquered by Surailia until 1815. In 1815, Luxembourg becomes a Grand Duchy and a Monarchy is restored in the rest of my territroy. The Monarch is Grand Duke of Luxembourg but there is an elected Parliament and Prime Minister in Luxembourg. In 1900, the Monarch overthrows the Prime Minister and Parliament and becomes Absolute Monarch of Benelux.

In 1939 (I assume), Stok and No Taxes invade Surailia and I. Someone ends up freeing us from Stok and No Taxes in 1945 and the Dutch Monarchy ends up ruling Surailia and Benelux. In a Stok-assisited revolution of '68 a soviet dictatorship is instated. The dictator essential being a Stokmolvian puppet. in the revolution of '02 the dictator is overthrown and the Surailian royalty is re-instated.

....oooh kayy i think i understand but,when belexlux it fused again with Surailia it has to be kind of like the union of Czechoslovakia after ww2 and can you make it parliamentary up until the revolution?

....oooh kayy i think i understand but,when belexlux it fused again with Surailia it has to be kind of like the union of Czechoslovakia after ww2 and can you make it parliamentary up until the revolution?


Err... I think the fact that it isn't parliamentary is the main reason behind the revolution. If you want, when you have Benelux from 1795-1815 it can be non-parliamentary, Taxation without Representation, etc.

Wherever I go half of the population become members of the Stoklomolvi Military Police Force. That is to enforce the laws, you see. Political commissars from the mainland are appointed to every fireteam to ensure loyalty, and essentially the people get no voting rights and whatnot. Important figures are guarded by members of the SMPF from the motherland, and also the demonym of Stoklomolvi is Stoklomolvi, not Stoklomolvian. I wouldn't have installed a puppet dictatorship unless I didn't want that land. I would have annexed and occupied it. It's rather complicated.

obviously you don't install puppet governments anymore because of the surailian revolution Aleksandr Svisklovovich Stuyonovich knows better than old sloklomolvi

and surailian's are too arrogant to adhere to your laws it would make sense that the old regime just put an ally of stocklomolvi in there to keep the surailians happy....obviously failing

benelux: the 1945-68' government will be that of a forced union between two countries and the revolution will be a sovereignty battle

obviously you don't install puppet governments anymore because of the surailian revolution Aleksandr Svisklovovich Stuyonovich knows better than old sloklomolvi

and surailian's are too arrogant to adhere to your laws it would make sense that the old regime just put an ally of stocklomolvi in there to keep the surailians happy....obviously failing

benelux: the 1945-68' government will be that of a forced union between two countries and the revolution will be a sovereignty battle

Hmmm....who would be fighting for Surailian sovereignty?

Hmmm....who would be fighting for Surailian sovereignty?
No Taxes might finance and give weapons to a Surailian independence movement.

most likely surailia v.belexluxe's dukedom

then no taxes will give us the means to start a soviet dictatorship that will be overly friendly too stocklomolvi?

most likely surailia v.belexluxe's dukedom

then no taxes will give us the means to start a soviet dictatorship that will be overly friendly too stocklomolvi?

surailian vs. dutch kingdoms. And it's B-E-N-E-L-U-X.

Sounds good to me. Of course we could have a personal union with Absolute Monarch in Benelux and Constitutional Monarch in Surailia; Willem IV being said monarch. Democracy falls into Workers' Revolt.

umm what ....this isn't a constitutional monarchy

its and allways has been an Elective Absolute Monarchy....like the holy see in Vatican

Stoklomolvi doesn't install puppet government and never did. It displaces the current government by public execution by gunfire and just takes over, essentially. Dissenters are shot, and survivors, shot again.

umm what ....this isn't a constitutional monarchy

its and allways has been an Elective Absolute Monarchy....like the holy see in Vatican

Makes easy for constitutionally appointed dictators. What say you people elect Willem IV? He runs in a bid for a larger kingdom and obtains it. he retires in 1968 and having exposed the loophole a soviet government is put in place by the citizenry.

Dissenters are shot, and survivors, shot again.

LOL

im not a fan of that course of action. :P

stock: well....we have to find a way to escape the all crushing hand of your empire then, how would the go about?

Well, you could say a coup occurred, and Surailia attempt to jerk itself away from Stoklomolvi rule. Also, it's Stok, not Stock. The Imperial Guard, numbering only five million at the time, attempted to crush the rebellion, was repelled, and voila.

im not a fan of that course of action. :P

stock: well....we have to find a way to escape the all crushing hand of your empire then, how would the go about?

OK then well let's forget Surailia and Benelux every being one. 1795, rebellion against No Taxes and Unites with the Dutch Republic. 1815, the citizens don't bother coming to the polls. Old Burgundian Monarchy is restored.

i like that we were one then you separated to become the dutch kingdom in the 1700's gives the region more depth, and would probably make us allies

And how do we( the other countries) play into all of this?

RIGHT!

Firstly: the map is staying as it is. Nothings moving for Surailia or Stok as it is. I might add Corsica to the Surailian territory, but not if I'm harassed about it. Stock, I'm adding that territory to The Beatus for now, just so I don't change what I previously said. I don't want to go back on my word: If you want it, conquer it.

Secondly: Hitler existed in Europe, Germany and Austria do not exist in Europa Atlantica. But the Stok empire is a great idea. I propose instead of writing out a history, we actually carry it out as a WWII tech RP, no?

Thirdly: Pictavia is DEFINITELY NOT in England. It seems people have a real problem with distinguishing one country from the other FIVE that are in the British Ilses. Pictavia is in Caledonia (Alba/Scotland), Hyperboria (Shetland/Orkney) and North Hibernia (Northern Eire/Ireland). :rolleyes:

Finally: Beatus, I'll get round to adding your claim et cetera.

Apologies for the double post, but I feel I needed to write this separately.

If you have a land claim or dispute, POST IS ONCE ONLY. If you feel I am being unfair then a telegram would be fine, but just one telegram. Please, don't spam this thread with repetitive arguments that I've not been on to respond to, I just had to wade through several pages of Surailia complaining about territory. One post or a telegram would have done.

Also, I'm sorry I've not been on very much, I'll try and keep updated with what's going on. RL stuff 'n' that! :rolleyes:
Finally, the first post has been updated, take a look!

i like that we were one then you separated to become the dutch kingdom in the 1700's gives the region more depth, and would probably make us allies

YOU AREN'T GETTING IT! WE WERE NEVER ONE!! LET ME SHOW YOU A TIMELINE AND BOLD COUNTRY NAMES AND ITALICIZE WHAT THEY DO:

UP TO 1581: Benelux is ruled by an independant dutch monarchy
1581 - 1795: No Taxes conquers and rules Southern Benelux
1581 - 1795: Northern Benelux becomes a republic.
1795: Southern Benelux establishes independance from No Taxes. Southern Benelux joins the Dutch Republic (Northern Benelux)
1795 - 1815: Benelux is ruled as a republic
1815: Dutch citizens don't show up to vote and the independant Dutch monarchy is restored. The Dutch Kingdom of the Benelux is created.


1940: Stoklomolvi, Yanitaria, and No Taxes invade Benelux and Surailia
1940 - 1945: Surailia and Benenlux are occupied by Stoklomolvi, Yanitaria and No Taxes
1945: Pictavia, Binaria or Oily Prata free Surailia and Benenlux
1945 - Present: Benenlux remains as it was before the war

And how do we( the other countries) play into all of this?

In any which way you want.



Secondly: Hitler existed in Europe, Germany and Austria do not exist in Europa Atlantica. But the Stok empire is a great idea. I propose instead of writing out a history, we actually carry it out as a WWII tech RP, no?


Thirdly: Pictavia is DEFINITELY NOT in England. It seems people have a real problem with distinguishing one country from the other FIVE that are in the British Ilses. Pictavia is in Caledonia (Alba/Scotland), Hyperboria (Shetland/Orkney) and North Hibernia (Northern Eire/Ireland). :rolleyes:


OK, we get that Hitler didn't exist in Europa Atlantica, but, we're creating our own histories. It doesn't make sense to RP it because it would be set 60 years before what ever else we are RPing so it could confuse some people.

As for Pictavia, it's basically Scotland and Northern Ireland and I understand that but for history purposes we were just throwing ideas around.

oh :( i wanted to conquer you guys in the 1700's oh well:P

NP: are you sure you have no idea how much i want that small piece of Iberia

and it is just easier to say what original European nation you occupy

Surailia: Last time, read the rules (first post). If you have bothered to check, you would notice I gave you Corsica as a consolation. Nevertheless, that's the end of it.

Benelux: Ohhh, could we not do something like that, I got genuinely excited! We'd just have to label it 1945 or whatever year is settled upon, use WWII tech for example (Wooo M1 Garands!), again clearly label it as a closed historical RP... You get my drift? We could have some kind of anti-communist war instead of an anti-fascist war, big battle royal thing and... Shite, am I rambling here? :p

Obviously though, as it is historical, some sort of rough outline or ending could be agreed upon before the RP begins, something that would represent our MT borders.

Yeah, if we can agree on an end result then we could totally do an RP like that. Another concern though would be populations, obviously we can't use our present populations or else it would look really messed up. If we all, let's say have 20% of our present populations and such to reflect growth between then and now. Of course we could just ignore that factor since population hasn't been paid much attention to in the first place.

Thank you so much, i shall negotiate with whoever takes Iberia later on :) i really hope it wasn't super annoying listening to me fight for that.

as for the RP. sounds like fun but we defiantly need a history that makes sense in the region

also i may invite my friend in she might take Germany, but as she is in advanced EVERYTHING she probs wont be on much, if this is a problem i wont invite her.

and NP i think it would be cool to compare our religions do you have a place where its already written out?

as for the RP. sounds like fun but we defiantly need a history that makes sense in the region

also i may invite my friend in she might take Germany, but as she is in advanced EVERYTHING she probs wont be on much, if this is a problem i wont invite her.

Yeah, the history must make sense or else it would fall apart completetly.

As for inviting your friend, if she can't be on that much then maybe she should be like a city-state, similiar to Lichenstien or Andorra or Monaco. She would probably need to be situated on a border though. Of course, checking up once a day is active enough in my opinion. Yay for another potential neighbour!

well i think that we need to start things off here and no one is coming in.....there is very little to discuss in a region that isn't full.

Benelux i think we should develop a more detailed border (with roads) cause that is my thing i love making maps :p

Roads are good, and canals, railroads, cities, etc. These are all important things, and having them on a map makes things a lot easier to understand, so that you can't just say that your tanks are taking a road that you just made up, because its not on the map. Everyone needs roads.

Roads are good, and canals, railroads, cities, etc. These are all important things, and having them on a map makes things a lot easier to understand, so that you can't just say that your tanks are taking a road that you just made up, because its not on the map. Everyone needs roads.

[Whiny voice] But I'm too lazy to draw a map!!![\Whiny voice]

[Whiny voice] But I'm too lazy to draw a map!!![\Whiny voice]

Well than, your in the wrong business, pal.

well i think that we need to start things off here and no one is coming in.....there is very little to discuss in a region that isn't full.

Benelux i think we should develop a more detailed border (with roads) cause that is my thing i love making maps :p

Will do, will do. I won't have roads leading into unclaimed territory, but I'll have roads going into Surailia. I'll edit in the map soon.

EDIT: I just realized how lazy I'm feeling. I'll either make a map tomorrow or you can mark all european roads which cross the border. There are quite a few including a route Amsterdam - Brussels - Paris

I will be making the GRAND map after most areas have been claimed. I will include roads etc. The Beatus, maybe we could, say, secure a deal that would give me that little slice of land and would give you more land to your west later on? I really, really want that land.

It... could be arranged, we should also work out our history, especially as we share a border.

sok: have i told you today that i fear you?

as for the map of surailia don't put in the European roads cause i added rivers in and my cities are all in different places
i'm also like 100% in the middle of unclaimed territory can someone please join our region so as to be my neighbor dont worry from what i understand i cant afford an invasion


QUESTIONS about my economy

what is the GDP?
What is Govt. Waste?
How do i know how well my economy is doing over all?

QUESTIONS about my economy

what is the GDP?
What is Govt. Waste?
How do i know how well my economy is doing over all?
GDP is Gross Domestic Product is put simply a measure of the value of all the goods and services that your nation produces and provides.

Govt. Waste is basically corruption, something that happens to an extent in every government.

You would usually look at GDP per Capita, currency exchange rate and unemployment rate. GDP per Capita you want to be as high as possible, you want your Currency to be as highly valued as possible and you want the unemployment rate to be low.

sok: have i told you today that i fear you?

as for the map of surailia don't put in the European roads cause i added rivers in and my cities are all in different places
i'm also like 100% in the middle of unclaimed territory can someone please join our region so as to be my neighbor dont worry from what i understand i cant afford an invasion

I bolded what I'm concerned about. I think that you can place cities and towns wherever you want but mountain ranges and rivers are supposed to remain european. Keep in mind I too was in the middle of unclaimed territory and if you really want a neighbour just ask your friend to join as Germany.

i kept the mountain ranges and i just extended a river so that it would lead farther into my nation nothing else

I bolded what I'm concerned about. I think that you can place cities and towns wherever you want but mountain ranges and rivers are supposed to remain european. Keep in mind I too was in the middle of unclaimed territory and if you really want a neighbour just ask your friend to join as Germany.

You might not be able to change rivers, but you could, if you want make canals, or divert rivers to take a different course, it's called modern engineering.

everything is the same exept the seine is longer so as to reach the Massif Central

everything is the same exept the seine is longer so as to reach the Massif Central

So you artificially expanded the river sometime recently, which is well within the power of any modern nation.

The Beatus, we can write up a massive history textbook for the region later on, when everything is settled down. About the map thing, you can't reorient real rivers like the Rhine to flow into, say, the Soviet Union. You can build canals, however.

The Beatus, we can write up a massive history textbook for the region later on, when everything is settled down. About the map thing, you can't reorient real rivers like the Rhine to flow into, say, the Soviet Union. You can build canals, however.

Well, no nothing as major as that. You could build dams and divert rivers slightly, or make lakes.

well can we say that it just naturally occurred sometime in the BC times?

like a glacier created it or something

No, you can't. Also, about the SMPF, read my factbook. It details about it.

well its important to my history that the river is extended before the union of surailia and the seine is just as long it just dosen't go east anymore

stok: i cant get to your fact book the link is messed

well its important to my history that the river is extended before the union of surailia and the seine is just as long it just dosen't go east anymore

So you under took a very large engineering project, in the building of a dam, and the digging of a canal, it could be like your pyramids.

im not sure that would work, can we say that the "roman" culture that existed before the surailians elongated the "cir" (seine) as a defense mechanism and to irrigate the lower central area but by the 1000s it had eroded into a real river?

Also this is how Europe would look almost 3000 years ago

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/BCoferopa.png

Yeah I know, NSWiki is undergoing renovation.

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/Stoklomolvi.html

wow that is ridiculously impressive, wanna make one for me?

EDIT: for rights Mature age is actually referred to as Age of majority

EDIT:AHAHA I LOVE THAT YOUR COMMISSAR IS THE TSAR!

and my previous prime minister superior was Yekaterina

Wow, Stok, good job, all I have is a government website, and that's not even half finished, gave up on my wiki.

It's currently under renovation, so I can't make one just yet. Rely on that one until it's back on-line, and then if you want I can make a starter for you. Then, use your imagination.

prefect, im a loser when it comes to wiki writting

and what kind of clearance does Surailia get passportwise

All I have is a very detailed list of my armed forces, and a bulletin list about my history, all in one very messede up wordpad file.( Yes, I'm a loser who dosen't have word)
I'll Put up my map tomorrow.

Check out my Wiki in my sig if you have time. Also, Christ Stok! That's very impressive, but have you thought of splitting up the article into a hub of smaller ones? I.e one for military et cetera?

I'm just full of ideas.....

while we are filling the region who about we take a portion make it autonomous and make it a power generating territory we can farm all sorts of energy in a territory absolutely concentrated on said production.

we can all donate a small portion of our energy budgets to build said region full of renewable energy sources (I'm thinking in Switzerland cause its all mountains anyways)

it would make us an amazing Kyoto region and as we are mostly all UC nations it would be quite bad for you to refuse....:P


Also got any theories here?

The theoretical wind energy from a hurricane is about one half the total world electrical generating capacity.

If it was autonomous, we couldn't control it. But I like the idea nonetheless.

Beatus: You've still not joined the region.

NP: well it could be Controlled by the Altlantian Energy Committee and that committee would be controlled by the sponsor nations

THIS IS WHAT MY NATION LOOKS LIKE :P:P:P
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/Surailia-2.gif

these are my final borders i swear on zeus' Skull

it would make us an amazing Kyoto region and as we are mostly all UC nations it would be quite bad for you to refuse....:P

Yes, Stokmolvi, Yanitaria, Nova Pictavia, Far Echo Islands and you are mostly the region. Excuse me, but you are forgeting No Taxes, Binaria, Oily Prata, Torvque, Beatus, Hectonia and myself. UC members are less than half the region.

In anycase, as long as the countries who sponsor the renewable energy get a fair size profit (income is 125+% of expenses) then you can count Benelux in.

Now that I have that map I can add in where I am putting roads.

Yeah, No Taxes doesn't really have too many energy problems with nuclear power and a huge uranium mining industry. Not to mention that realistically my nation would never work with the UC and most likely hates the alliance.

I also made a road map

We need an "Autobahn"

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/Surailia-Roads.gif

and this is my (first Draft) proposed plan for the Energy area.


http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/SwissMapReliefPower.jpg

KEY
Blue with red rim Cities with historical value
Blue and Red with Yellow rim Lausanne The Area's Central City

Red line Civilian/Non Civilian border

Red- Sun Farm X > 3TW
Teal- Wind Farm x > 61GW
yellow and black- Hydro Dam ~ 37,800MW



EDIT
Well the fact is that in our modern times we still cant prove that nuclear power is safe (real life Chernobyl) i don't want my citizens all dying of cancer because some no tax reactor failed exploded and the fallout fell into our nation. it is technically clean energy but if there is an explosion then it does more damage than global warming

I wish to claim England, Wales and Southern Ireland.

EDIT
Well the fact is that in our modern times we still cant prove that nuclear power is safe (real life Chernobyl) i don't want my citizens all dying of cancer because some no tax reactor failed exploded and the fallout fell into our nation. it is technically clean energy but if there is an explosion then it does more damage than global warming

To bad. 95% of my power comes from nuclear plants. They are safe. 3 major accidents in almost 60 years is a better safety record than dams have.

true but sun and wind is still safer

true but sun and wind is still safer
Both of which need vasts amounts of space to work, and only work when the wind is blowing and the suns out.

I wish to claim England, Wales and Southern Ireland.

Yay, someone finally claimed the rest of the British Isles! I think it is a reasonable claim.

well think about it where are there no clouds: on top of the mountains

where does the wind blow?:off of lakes and down mountains so we get more use out of our dollar

and i personally Welcome the Miamorians

I see a big problem, then someone could just blow up this power generating area, and everyone loses power, or what if there is some kind of natural disaster in the area, its never good to put all your eggs in one basket. We will be sticking with our geothermal power thank you.

Indeed, Miamoria's claim is more than reasonable when you look at the other large nations.

well think about it where are there no clouds: on top of the mountains

where does the wind blow?:off of lakes and down mountains so we get more use out of our dollar

You can stick with wind and solar, I'll save money and space by staying with nuclear power. Like Binaria said it is just as safe as other energy methods.

OOC:

I was sick today and did nothing but think about this, the only natural disaster to have occurred in that area was in 1390! BITCHES~

as for the attacks on that area,

we have a choice to protect it, or to make a treaty saying that region is off limits

Well, it certainly would make for a great target by terrorists. Too dangerous to have all our energy supplied there particularly with nations so far away.

Someone, like No Taxes, could just occupy it and deny power to other nations. We can't do anything about that, either. Also, Stoklomolvi, like most PMT nations, is completely fusion-powered, and sometimes relies on natural gas to fire up ovens for some reason. No need. Nice maps, though. Also, If you would notice the bottom of my factbook there are links to other places :) .

Someone, like No Taxes, could just occupy it and deny power to other nations. We can't do anything about that, either. Also, Stoklomolvi, like most PMT nations, is completely fusion-powered, and sometimes relies on natural gas to fire up ovens for some reason. No need. Nice maps, though. Also, If you would notice the bottom of my factbook there are links to other places :) .


PMT? This is a MT region FYI. Also, your factbook is in need of a majour update. It has WWI & II history.

EDIT: Yes, I have noticed the now-more-messed-up-than-ever NSWiki

Ah well. NP is PMT at times too, but at any rate my factbook is from November. NSWiki was down for renovations for a few weeks now, if you haven't noticed.

Firstly, Isn't Switzerland mostly Glacier? And we could just as easily fund offshore wind farms that would leave valuable territory for settlement.

Miamoria: Do you have a little bit of background on your nation before I add you to the region? Just because we'd be neighbours et cetera.

Lastly, I tend to keep my Tech level at MT at all times, never really gone into PMT. Realistically speaking, I could not operate in the present date, as such pinnacle military technology only available now will have to have time to go through distribution/production and the gradual replacement of current armaments. So, I play at a tech level available in the present date but not yet used en mass. Does that make sense?

I know what you mean; I'm more of an MT+2 nation, since I use fusion generators, compact fuel cells, etc. Essentially a much more efficient present.

I understand too, I use Geothermal power, which realistically speaking is still rather new, and not widely used.

Beatus: Again, you've still not joined the region. Did you not get my telegram?

I did join, right after I read your earlier post. Read the regional happenings, two hours ago the Beatus arrived from Vistogland.

I did join, right after I read your earlier post. Read the regional happenings, two hours ago the Beatus arrived from Vistogland.

:D


Shhh, you're not suppost to remind them of that little fact, especially since I am right next to Switzerland.

:eek:

Someone, like No Taxes, could just occupy it and deny power to other nations. We can't do anything about that, either.
Shhh, you're not suppost to remind them of that little fact, especially since I am right next to Switzerland.

well your all part of the Atlantic union or something you guys would impose sanctions on people like no taxes

Shhh, you're not suppost to remind them of that little fact, especially since I am right next to Switzerland.

And I will come and "liberate" them. Then take total control of the region and jack energy prices up by 50 times. Then if someone tries to take them back and lower prices I'll just blow them up as I leave.

well you realize that there would be large forces in there walls, guards, sanctions on armies that go into that area big guns and absolutely no SURAILIAN MARMALADE EVER AGAIN ill write in in our constitution

well your all part of the Atlantic union or something you guys would impose sanctions on people like no taxes
Sanctions against me would most likely hurt your economies more than mine. I would only be worried about a military intervention from Binaria.

Edit: Fucking Time Warp :p

Not even worried about me? :( I can be mean, honest.

Not even worried about me? :( I can be mean, honest.
I would be somewhat worried about you, though Binaria is much closer and much, much bigger. You're probably about third on my regional threat list.

well you haven't expressed your opinion, and what am i threat number 12?

well nations in absolute truthfulness would you be tempted to steal from us?

well you haven't expressed your opinion,

well nations in absolute truthfulness would you be tempted to steal from us?
Tempted to steal energy? No, but I would be tempted to shut down all of the energy to several nations.

What level would I be?

Tempted to steal energy? No, but I would be tempted to shut down all of the energy to several nations.

Sounds like fun, doesn't it? Either way, I'm surrounded by the North Sea and Atlantic, which is very, very windy, and thus great for offshore wind farms. Building them in Switzerland would just be an impractical expense. Also, I believe there are two tectonic plates hitting each other around the Alban/English border = Hellooooooooo geothermal goodness :D

What level would I be?

Personally, I'd think most of the Stoklomolvi's military would be consumed with covering your borders, thus I wouldn't be that bothered (Sorry, I know it was directed at No Taxes).

its not all the energy its only like a potential of 5Terrawats my small nation needs aprx 50GW this is just a good way to give good green energy to nations that are otherwise screwing up the environment.

Final post for the night:

How much should the region's land mass be multiplied by, to tackle overpopulation and such. Does four sound allright to everyone?

What level would I be?
Probably 2nd or 3rd, though I don't know how well your economy would sustain a war. Actually now that I take another look NP would be 2nd and you would probably be tied for 3rd with Yanitaria.

make it five i like five

Final post for the night:

How much should the region's land mass be multiplied by, to tackle overpopulation and such. Does four sound allright to everyone?
Four would not be even close to enough for my territory or Binaria's. Perhaps it could be multiplied by different scales depending on the population of the country?

I'm fine with what ever size, its more about the topography than the area, for my land at least.

no taxes why would you be temped to take power from us? All you would be doing is killing many hospital patients or causing brownouts. Plus what have i (the only nation in this so far) done to deserve your attacks?

no taxes why would you be temped to take power from us? All you would be doing is killing many hospital patients or causing brownouts. Plus what have i (the only nation in this so far) done to deserve your attacks?
I was mainly just joking, but if I wanted to expand for example I might do that or just to watch you stumble around in the dark :p

well I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to piss off all the nations benefiting from the 4 Terra Watts that is 4 000 000 000 000 WATTS that powers a billion Televisions around the clock

cause then they would...bomb things...of yours..and that would really suck....cause atomic fallout is gross

cause that is the real spirit of Christmas

Stoklomolvi alone produces scores of terawatts from highly efficient fusion energy...

stok: fusion energy is still far into the future and i refuse to accept that it is a variable source of energy in this APRX MT region

IE:No Protoscience

The DOE panel says: "Nuclear fusion at room temperature, of the type discussed in this report, would be contrary to all understanding gained of nuclear reactions in the last half century; it would require the invention of an entirely new nuclear process"

so unless stoklovolvi has a star in its borders and some of Apollo's sweet sun block (metamorphoses story of phaeton) there is no fusion

Fusion is NOT far into the future. Cold fusion is currently being researched, as shown here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion), and is a rather odd phenomenon. In my nation, fusion has been perfected, which could be said to be in, say, fifty years or so.

I am able to produce 5 tera watts of electricity through our Geothermal power stations.

did you bother to read the article....it states that the worlds opinion on cold fusion is that unless our concept of fusion is wrong it is impossible to create cold fusion.

but Magnetic confinement fusion may be good, i think i may use it

beatus you need volcanic activity for geothermal energy. Where in your territory do you get that?

(this is of course meant in the most respectful way possible)

Where did it say that the world's opinion may be wrong?

A majority of scientists consider this research to be pseudoscience[citation needed]...

Not that it may not be accurate due to its lack of a source. Also, how do you know that my nation didn't somehow create a way to get fusion in extremely hot reactors?

Right now I'm running everything on Fission, mainly US designs, and a few RBMKs (Chernobyl, here I come!) as well as a few wind power stations scattered around. Fusion is used in secret Military reactors, but still not cheap enough for civvies to use( Or know, for that matter).
On another note, I will be away for two days.

Stok: Because it would melt the floor.....hotter than magma...


i think its important that we at least convert our nuke power stations to PULSTAR Reactors they are almost risk free

have a fun 2 days

well you realize that there would be large forces in there walls, guards, sanctions on armies that go into that area big guns and absolutely no SURAILIAN MARMALADE EVER AGAIN ill write in in our constitution

Yes, and the fact that I am 40 times larger than you is meaningless. :rolleyes: With 2.5% of my pop in my millitary that gives me a force of 103 million total. With a 61.8 million mean in my total army including logstics, and 15.45 combat troops, i think i have a bit of an edge over anything you can throw at me.

fine....this is deff an ego thing for you isn't it

And how do you know that my nation has not come up with a method to suspend things in mid-air using plasma thingies or something?

its highly unethical

but i guess its acceptable but if you get cold fusion we get perpetual motion

Hell, it's your nation.

i hope i haven't offended you?

Nah, just a bit frustrated as to how something accepted for such a long time is suddenly yelled at. No worries, mate.

i dono i just hate when the laws of physics are broken! i need to develop a cool new WMD this is hurting my brain

Probably 2nd or 3rd, though I don't know how well your economy would sustain a war. Actually now that I take another look NP would be 2nd and you would probably be tied for 3rd with Yanitaria.

Wow, I'm sincerely flattered. ME! Disputed third biggest threat!

NP: The plates run many hundreds of miles west of you.

I on the other hand, have a major plate on my southern border, a large, windy ocean, and n00kl33r p0w4h!

thats not pride worthy :P

Sorry I misunderstood, would this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Boundary_Fault) not offer some sort of geothermal goodness?

*Edit* There's quite a few dormant volcanoes too. If all else fails, Iceland would be a perfect spot for geothermal plants.

Also, Stok, I asked my brother who's in his final year of a Maths & Physics degree, and although he's no Dr on the subject, he has been studying it for years longer than us. Basically, he said Fusion is just a theory, in the same theoretical stage as say, faster than light travel. Its firmly PMT/FT, and this is an MT region, but with something as trivial as power supply I'm not fussed about it. All the same. Will fission reactors not still provide you with more than enough energy?

and this is an FT region,


Let Loose The Orbital MAC Guns!!! :D

[QUOTE=Nova Pictavia;13305203]Sorry I misunderstood, would this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Boundary_Fault) not offer some sort of geothermal goodness?[QUOTE]

That'd work. fo' shiz

wow we got sum gangstaa's up in hurr :p

anyways you need a volcano to make geo energy but w/e lets just agree that we all have all the electricity we need

Wow, three pages since I last came. You guys sure can talk. Anyways, energy supply isn't as trivial as you think; sometimes it is nice to know what to expect when you go to cut off power of a nation you have occupied. As for benelux's power, we have wind, nuclear and low impact hydro. Yay for so many frickin' rivers.

I'm playing MT and I won't except anything PMT. Period. Anyways, how about that WW RP?

so Benelux would u be interested in my proposal?

Hot fusion is MT you can use it but its like 12T for a generator that makes 500MW

as for our history i think that everyone should collaborate with their neighbors to make a history that fits in their region of the region

IE: for myself it would be between Me, Benelux, Picts and the new south Britain guy


http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/BCoferopa.png


also i made a map of aprx. 50BC for the region everything but blue and red are just tribes under one classification unless you can give that colour a kingdoms name.

ALSO what should we name the first empire in our region's history (lets say the originate in "Carthange" "Iberia" or "Greece"

Damn MT...now what am I going to do?

Don't sweat it. If push comes to shove i can help you figure out an inexpensive thing better than cold fusion.

I'm thinking of an almost perpetual motion machine working with our good old friend 9.807m/s^2 and an old guy with a cane.


BTW does my grammar bother EVERYONE here :P

wow we got sum gangstaa's up in hurr :p

anyways you need a volcano to make geo energy but w/e lets just agree that we all have all the electricity we need

You don't need a volcano to make geothermal energy.

well stock i think im going to invent an ALMOST PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE

Darn, fusion sounds cooler :p and my version would be very compact, in a way that I cannot explain for it does not exist.

Ehhhhh, fusion seems a little too PMT-ish.

My biggest on my worry list? To be honest I'm not entirely sure. Binaria and Oily Prata are right next door, but Stok isn't too far away either.

Heh, 'French' fries would be called Dutch fries in Europa Atlantica, due to the invention of said food in Belgium.

You can call them what you want, we will still call them fried potato sticks.

Due to the lack of education in Torvque, so-called "Belgium Fries" are generally referred to as Torvquan Fries.

Why you ask?

Because they make them here.

We at Stoklomolvi would refer to "French fries" as "compressed artificially processed carbohydrate and mineral sticks". Mouthful, so we call them CAPCM (pronounced Capcom).

we call them "les Frites"

We call 'em soggy cold potato strip thingies.

The point is that these fries could have been invented anywhere because this region has a parallel history to the actual Europe.

We call 'em soggy cold potato strip thingies.

But aren't they Greasy Hot Potato Strip Thingies?

But aren't they Greasy Hot Potato Strip Thingies?

Not in Oily Prata, They're not.

care to explain?

Wow...that's the fastest transition ever. First, fusion, then French fries?!

Wow...that's the fastest transition ever. First, fusion, then French fries?!

Dutch Fries! And anyways, I was just thinking, I didn't think many people would actually post what their citizens call the fried potato sticks.

Yeah well we do PUNK

anyways my nation invented a complex system to power your nation at no cost

its is plausible

cost:150 trillion dollars

it produces 6terrawats and takes up aprx 2 km^2

Well hey! "Compressed artificially processed carbohydrate and mineral sticks" could be a name!

EDIT: 150 TRILLION?! Not even No Taxes can afford that thing!

IC:

Dear King Wilhelm(?) Of Benelux,

It appears that the northeastern kingdoms of Surailia are being frequented more and more by the drug addicted citizens of Benelux this is a serious matter that is breaking Surailian law and may result in banishment or killing of your citizens.

We ask that we work on international law between the two countries regarding our drug laws.

Your neighbor ally and close friend
His Imperial Majesty Charmian Adam Gaultier
House of Gaultier
Family Gaultier-Bosque
of the Kingdom Valoir-Saxe


EDIT-I know its hefty and I am willing to lower the price but it has to be expensive because you will need nothing ever again and its so simple to build you are really paying for the secret

IMHO, fusion would be cheaper.

it would be cheaper but its impossible

IC:

Dear King Wilhelm(?) Of Benelux,

It appears that the northeastern kingdoms of Surailia are being frequented more and more by the drug addicted citizens of Benelux this is a serious matter that is breaking Surailian law and may result in banishment or killing of your citizens.

We ask that we work on international law between the two countries regarding our drug laws.

Your neighbor ally and close friend
His Imperial Majesty Charmian Adam Gaultier
House of Gaultier
Family Gaultier-Bosque
of the Kingdom Valoir-Saxe



Dear Charmian Adam Gaultier,

King Willem V is out with his wife and first-born at a Christmas party in ViZion, an african nation. I do believe that it is rude to use an adjective which applies to approximaetly 5-10% of the population for the whole population. Yes, while many Dutch folk do love a good holiday in Surailia, the drug addicted are instructed not to share their goodies. You may subject them to any amount of jail time or fine you choose, but banishment and the death penalty seem to medieval and extreme to allow.

The King returns the day after tomorrow.

Turthfully,
His Royal Higness Nicholas I,
Duke of North Holland,
Brother of King Willam V,
the House of Orange-Nassau

Dear Royal Family of Dutch Ruled Benelux,

There are no Prisons in Surailia and our rehab programs are not for foreigners. but your citizens are causing problems and the royal family in that area are becoming quite perturbed with the amount of damage and passed out Dutch in their gutters.

We ask that you invest in Safe Houses for your citizens to enjoy their substances out of the public eye. there we can supply them with beds and toilets, food and more substances.

We just need to keep a level of safety in our nations north east.

We hope you understand, Also please come by for a visit my younger brother is turning 16 on the 27th and we are going to Get him "Krunk"!

Your dear friend, neighbor and ally,

Adam Gaultier (ooc: note the lack of titles this is a PERSONAL Letter)

Where is hectonia, did he/she just up and leave? I was hoping to discuss a cold war.

Yanitaria, if you are still becoming a 1984 nation can you make an IC statement so we can get this show in the road