NationStates Jolt Archive

Very restrictive your laws are.

I don't think so, and especially not if you own a business

One and the same Surailia wanted them to be.

I'll think about it

There is more fertile land in the North I think it is because.

I just think ----Kenny---- is more aesthtically pleasing with the normal Spanish borders

Using OSV sentence structure I like.

You like using them why, padawon?

I don't think so, and especially not if you own a business



I'll think about it



I just think ----Kenny---- is more aesthtically pleasing with the normal Spanish borders



You like using them why, padawon?

compared to Benelux's they are.
-
I see...
It looks pleasing to me. Padawan

compared to Benelux's they are.
-
I see...
It looks pleasing to me. Padawan


Don't you mean "pleasing it looks to me?" :p

Prostitution-Yes

Abortion-Yes

Euthanasia-As long as the person signs a waiver, with a witness, and has it noterized.

Prostitution - Yes
Abortion - Yes
Euthanasia - Yes, how could you stop it in No Taxes?

(Basically as long as you have enough money anything is possible in No Taxes.)

Being in the whole minded interest of the Mirror Lakes Region, and the Hegemony, the Nation of East Ying would like to set up an active colony in your lands. We hope, if approved, it would be the start of many inter-region alliances. And, we hope it could be an economic outpost for the nations in the Mirror Lakes Region.
Thank You for your time,
Hing Min,
Head Hegemony of East Ying

ooc: in no way am I connected with the alliance called by the name "Hegemony"

Denied.
I have little respect for those who do not read the OP of a thread. If you had, you'd realize that colonies are completely out of the question.

Prostitution - In some kingdoms (not confirmed nation wide)
Abortion - Pro choice
Euthanasia - In debate (in some kingdoms)

What im hoping for is just kind of Specializing the areas of EA you know like Romantic Europe , eastern Europe, Scand Europe. But its time to make our relationships with sense to our background

ie: me and Benelux share allot of the same ideology's so we might have once been part of the same "B.C" empire or Pictavia and I have fairly pagan religions we might have been at holy war for years and might be enemies

@ Picts... Tell me more about the Trade Treaty's

Also Who wants to join my religion?

@Kenny... Can i put a Peace Oriented Base on The tip of Gibraltar? we can make a treaty promising to keep it peaceful (I just want to keep all the Warships in and the invaders out)

@ Benelux....We are asking for a name Ie: house of Chanel, Armani, Uccello

Any one wanna join my religion?

@Kenny... Can i put a Peace Oriented Base on The tip of Gibraltar? we can make a treaty promising to keep it peaceful (I just want to keep all the Warships in and the invaders out)

No, sorry

I've decided if it's okay with NP, let's use the "Scramble for Africa" Africa as the Africa bordering EA.

well I'm not happy that you can just close up the straight of Gibraltar at anytime....

Prostitution - If they apply for the proper license to run such business, which ranges in the area of 2,000 Nokka, and 10% of their monthly earnings.

Abortion - No, if they do not want they're children, the military will gladly take them, or the Path of the Blessed, depending on where they drop the children of, I.E. if the drop the child at a church, cathedral, or monastery the church will accept them, and if they leave them at a hospital, police station, fire station, or other government building they go to the military, all of which is 100% legal, but they cannot leave babies anywhere else without facing arrest for child neglect.

Euthanasia - If a psychiatrist, not psychologist, as there is a big difference, finds them to be mentally sound than it is allowed, with special permits of course, for which we charge a small fee of 2,000 Nokka.

We really don't like telling people what to do, except when it comes to our population, which we like to keep growing, we just charge them for it.

Scramble for Africa? Nope. Don't want people to get the impression EA is part of an independent NS Earth, and thus EA only borders other NS regions, not colonial claims maps.

As for Gibraltar, if there is a lot of opposition to it then it may have to be rethought, although I'd like to look for an IC settlement, like a ----Kenny---- assault on N.Africa or a coalition assault on ----Kenny---- N.African territories.

I've decided if it's okay with NP, let's use the "Scramble for Africa" Africa as the Africa bordering EA.

Hell no.

Scramble for Africa? Nope. Don't want people to get the impression EA is part of an independent NS Earth, and thus EA only borders other NS regions, not colonial claims maps.

As for Gibraltar, if there is a lot of opposition to it then it may have to be rethought, although I'd like to look for an IC settlement, like a ----Kenny---- assault on N.Africa or a coalition assault on ----Kenny---- N.African territories.

Kenny has a whopping military budget of $0 dollars, so it would have to be an invasion of his lands.

Unless his lawyers have suddenly become elite military commandos.

Yeah kenny you have no army....wtf mate?

hmmm...I've never intended Kenny to need one, so I just never increased my defense bill. We mostly just hire Mercenarys anyways...

Okay first off, why on earth would I close off the Med? It would destroy all the trade routes within in it. In case you haven't noticed, we're big on trade and commerce so it would only really be hurting us. So I assure you have nothing to fear.

I would like to develop South Kenny a little ICly anyways, i'll build some settlements, resorts, and stuff like that to improve it's commerce.

but kenny....I'm a small nation and even I can march on your face.....my ego feels good...not that i would >.>

hmmm...I've never intended Kenny to need one, so I just never increased my defense bill. We mostly just hire Mercenarys anyways...

Okay first off, why on earth would I close off the Med? It would destroy all the trade routes within in it. In case you haven't noticed, we're big on trade and commerce so it would only really be hurting us. So I assure you have nothing to fear.

I would like to develop South Kenny a little ICly anyways, i'll build some settlements, resorts, and stuff like that to improve it's commerce.

We don't trust you controlling the straight. We will not tolerate your expansion into North Africa. Actions will be taken, IC'ly of course.

IC: Surailia asks that you give a portion of the northern potion of the straights of Gibraltar to Surailia and the Beatus

IC: No Taxes believes it would be better for all if ----Kenny---- remained in the control of the straights and would look harshly on other nations seeking to control the waterway.

IC: Surailia asks that you give a portion of the northern potion of the straights of Gibraltar to Surailia and the Beatus

IC: We would prefer a portion of the Southern part.

Okay, OOC and IC is being somewhat mixed up right now. If ----Kenny---- is OOCly declaring he's keeping the straights then an IC thread should be started declaring the annexation of the territory or some such event outwith this thread. there, any required action can be taken. Also, ----Kenny---- may not have a defence budget but as he says, he could 'hire' armies from other nations/regions, and he also has a Law and Order budget of some ten trillion establishing a large guerilla force with small arms if needs be.

What I need to know is whether this is going to be settled ICly or OOCly right now.

IC: We can assure you that surailia has not but the best intentions for the straights- we just want to keep them open

IC: No Taxes believes it would be better for all if ----Kenny---- remained in the control of the straights and would look harshly on other nations seeking to control the waterway.

IC: We do not seek to control it, we are simply alarmed by ----Kenny----'s expansion into Northern Africa.

Look, if this is going to be ICly settled then this isn't exactly the place for it. This is primarily and OOC and claims thread. Read my last post.

Okay, OOC and IC is being somewhat mixed up right now. If ----Kenny---- is OOCly declaring he's keeping the straights then an IC thread should be started declaring the annexation of the territory or some such event outwith this thread. there, any required action can be taken. Also, ----Kenny---- may not have a defence budget but as he says, he could 'hire' armies from other nations/regions, and he also has a Law and Order budget of some ten trillion establishing a large guerilla force with small arms if needs be.

What I need to know is whether this is going to be settled ICly or OOCly right now.

IC'ly is so much more fun!

(sry) can we just settle this then

I agree, ICly would be more fun. Would ----Kenny---- care to begin an annexation thread? Also, I believe No Taxes may provide you with some troops, although I am not certain!

IC:

The USSY would like to ask the Theocracy of Beatus and the Allied States of Surailia to stand down.

OOC Edit:Oh, darn, I missed it

IC:

The USSY would like to ask the Theocracy of Beatus and the Allied States of Surailia to stand down.

OOC Edit:Oh, darn, I missed it

IC:We wish to inform you that we are no longer a Theocracy, but a Republic now, although, as it seams that the international community is not with us, we will stand down, for now.

Yanitaria we respect you but we ask that a peaceful(internationally owned) base be built in Gibraltar to keep it from being closed

Who are you going to trust with your trading rights? Some third world nation with no Defense Budget?(no offense) Or the largest defence budget per capita in EA? Give me control of the strait. I have absolutly no reason to close it off or pose taxes there. I can defend it better than the average nation.

I believe that the Straight should be Controlled Internationally (i personally have nothing to gain from closing it

Right, someone start an IC thread, now!

Prostitution, Abortion and Euthanasia?

Punishable only by death, yes, yes.

Yanitaria:
Your national anthem is Billy Talent? :P

Ok ill start one

No. You've already asked about closing off the baltic in the future. Let's leave it to Kenny until Kaba can get back and have his say. that was territory he wanted, since it is the greenest in North Africa, so let's hear what he has to say.

Also, sorry for the lack of distinction, beatus.

Surailia, check your TG's in a sec

Yanitaria:
Your national anthem is Billy Talent? :P

Red Flag, yes. The revolutionaries were mostly college students, and that's the song they liked listening to.

At least, thats what I tell people.

My presidential song is "Indier Than Thou" by MC Frontalot.

No. You've already asked about closing off the baltic in the future. Let's leave it to Kenny until Kaba can get back and have his say. that was territory he wanted, since it is the greenest in North Africa, so let's hear what he has to say.

Also, sorry for the lack of distinction, beatus.

Surailia, check your TG's in a sec


That was a simple mental exercise. It was a hypothetical situation. I wouldn't do such a thing unless it was an emergency.

An international base is the only way to keep that place safe and open, its to important to give to one nation!

An international base is the only way to keep that place safe and open, its to important to give to one nation!

The same could be said about the Baltic and Black seas, but no one cried when that happened...

I want Kaba to have a say in this before I ICly annex the land

and with that i'm off for night...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13371126#post13371126

thats the IC thread

and i dont have territory there....so sucks to be you

Yanitaria TGs

The same could be said about the Baltic and Black seas, but no one cried when that happened...

I want Kaba to have a say in this before I ICly annex the land

and with that i'm off for night...

Who was there to cry? Stok and I are allies, so I would never even dream of closing the strait.

And there was almost no one in the region when Binaria claimed his strait. And even then, it's just Torvque.

Yani:
My national anthem's in my Wiki (signature).

Who was there to cry? Stok and I are allies, so I would never even dream of closing the strait.

And there was almost no one in the region when Binaria claimed his strait. And even then, it's just Torvque.

I'm not criticizing you, just making a point to Surailia...

Who was there to cry? Stok and I are allies, so I would never even dream of closing the strait.

And there was almost no one in the region when Binaria claimed his strait. And even then, it's just Torvque.

Well you could close it everyone but you and stok and a select few, but since you two control the black sea, its pointless because there's no one to crush.

Wow. 2 hours, 15 minutes and you make 2 pages. I wonder if that's a record.

Anyways, it's been interesting to hear your drug, prostitution, abortion and euthanasia laws. I'll probably make a table.

As for Gibraltar, as long a -----Kenny----- doesn't close it (which would result in a dogpile on his ass which he may or may not be able to handle) the Koninkrijk has no problem with his control over it.

Drug Laws: Class "C" low addictive recreational drugs are legal out with a working environment.

Prostitution: Government run and/or monitored Brothels to ensure a safe and hygienic working environment.

Abortion: Legal only in cases when, [A] The mother's life is in danger, [B] The Child's life is in danger, [C] The Child would be born with disability to such an extremity that no joy would be obtained from life. In such cases, genetic screening is commonplace.

Euthanasia: Providing it can be cleared without reasonable doubt that the patient is speaking with clarity of mind, or death is inevitable then the prolonging of suffering is deemed irresponsible. Terranism believes that after death, all consciences are returned to inhabit a cognitively capable body in due time, as per Pictish believes on reincarnation.

Drug Laws: Class "C" low addictive recreational drugs are legal out with a working environment.

Prostitution: Government run and/or monitored Brothels to ensure a safe and hygienic working environment.

Abortion: Legal only in cases when, [A] The mother's life is in danger, [B] The Child's life is in danger, [C] The Child would be born with disability to such an extremity that no joy would be obtained from life. In such cases, genetic screening is commonplace.

Euthanasia: Providing it can be cleared without reasonable doubt that the patient is speaking with clarity of mind, or death is inevitable then the prolonging of suffering is deemed irresponsible. Terranism believes that after death, all consciences are returned to inhabit a cognitively capable body in due time, as per Pictish believes on reincarnation.


Do you have a list of class 'c' drugs? Posted or link please. Sorry, I'm from the other side of the Atlantic. Are abortions allowed to eliminate pregnancies due to Rape?

EDIT:

Surailia: The name of the house is the House of Oranje (not with a g).

Right : abortion: its a last resort....must be approved by a doctor....or something

@Benelux: cool ill remeber that..... Class C is in the Drug control act in britain i think for us in america its called shecdual 3

See this is one problem I foresee if No Taxes joins the Atlantican Union. Anyone who wants to have an abortion would just hop into No Taxes. Similarly, anyone who wants to get jacked up on drugs would come to No Taxes, it's not like my government would care. If the treaty allows for free movement of goods, capital and people than anyone who wants to do anything not allowed in their country can just come to No Taxes and disregard the laws of their own country.

I think everyone would come anyways, because of the booming economy and zero taxes, but the vast difference in laws between our countries could cause some problems. I don't really care about this issue, but I think your governments would be unhappy if people started using No Taxes to circumvent laws.

See this is one problem I foresee if No Taxes joins the Atlantican Union. Anyone who wants to have an abortion would just hop into No Taxes. Similarly, anyone who wants to get jacked up on drugs would come to No Taxes, it's not like my government would care. If the treaty allows for free movement of goods, capital and people than anyone who wants to do anything not allowed in their country can just come to No Taxes and disregard the laws of their own country.

I think everyone would come anyways, because of the booming economy and zero taxes, but the vast difference in laws between our countries could cause some problems. I don't really care about this issue, but I think your governments would be unhappy if people started using No Taxes to circumvent laws.

I allow abortion, euthanasia, prostitution and drugs. I think it would be a debate between my country or yours and since I have North Sea acess most Northerners would come here. Not like the King cares, he can do whatever he wants. Also, if they are forbidden to cross a border with drugs, they'd be followed by say, Hectonian police into No Taxes.

EDITS:

@Surailia: I think there is a difference. If no one else offers then include me. Don't put my Royal Family on priority, they already have an absolute monarchy.

@NP: TY for the Linky.

Do you have a list of class 'c' drugs? Posted or link please. Sorry, I'm from the other side of the Atlantic. Are abortions allowed to eliminate pregnancies due to Rape?

UK Gov Linky (http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/drugs/drugs-law/Class-a-b-c/)

No. There are thousands of families with acute genetic disorders who's children would be born high-risk, or situations where potential parents who are infertile. The demand from said families on the adoptive system outweighs children offered and thus the future happiness and success of the prospective child is put before that of the biological mother's wishes. However early stage terminations with Levonelle 1500 are classed as contraceptives and hence perfectly legal. In a situation of rape, such a drug would be prescribed,

I allow abortion, euthanasia, prostitution and drugs. I think it would be a debate between my country or yours and since I have North Sea acess most Northerners would come here. Not like the King cares, he can do whatever he wants. Also, if they are forbidden to cross a border with drugs, they'd be followed by say, Hectonian police into No Taxes.
I think foreign police might run into some problems trying to enforce their laws in No Taxes, even if only for their own citizens.


no taxes is anarchy....alot of ppls dont like getting killed by gangs

Even though my UN category is anarchy, I do have a government with quite a large budget.

I allow abortion, euthanasia, prostitution and drugs. I think it would be a debate between my country or yours and since I have North Sea acess most Northerners would come here. Not like the King cares, he can do whatever he wants. Also, if they are forbidden to cross a border with drugs, they'd be followed by say, Hectonian police into No Taxes.

*Masses of jobless wasters migrate to DRB, hard-working and patriotic citizens are better off back home*

no taxes is anarchy....alot of ppls dont like getting killed by gangs

*Masses of jobless wasters migrate to DRB, hard-working and patriotic citizens are better off back home*

LOL
ICly though NKB (dutch) or DKB would be used as it isn't ICly called Dutch-Ruled Benelux. Real title is in my sig.

I think foreign police might run into some problems trying to enforce their laws in No Taxes, even if only for their own citizens.


Even though my UN category is anarchy, I do have a government with quite a large budget.

AU would allow it.
UN category doesn't always apply in II. Normally Anarchy is translated as 'Absolute Libertarian Paradise'

but my point is that with the huge advantages there are also HUGE disadvantages ...mostly death

My point is that it is not just total chaos with people running around with guns shooting each other.

Dutch-Ruled Benelux: That is part of the reason I don't think my country would join the AU, my government and people wouldn't want foreign police coming into the country.

My point is that it is not just total chaos with people running around with guns shooting each other.

Dutch-Ruled Benelux: That is part of the reason I don't think my country would join the AU, my government and people wouldn't want foreign police coming into the country.

It would be limited to the first 100 m in. After that, well they can't really do much actually but head back. And would police still be allowed in, not able to enforce foreign law but still.

What's this about an Atlantic Union now?

What's this about an Atlantic Union now?

Slowest. Response. Ever. ;)

If they really wanted to circumvent those laws, all they'd have to do is come to Yanitaria. It's mostly harmless, and most things are illegal, or at least extremely easy to acquire.

I wouldn't join any form of AU. Ever. I like my sovereignty, thank you very much.

Heh, the AU will not survive if the largest nations in EA don't support it. Namely, No Taxes, Binaria, etc.

Heh, the AU will not survive if the largest nations in EA don't support it. Namely, No Taxes, Binaria, etc.

It shall have the same fate as the league of nations.

yeah, economic unions are good for now but a full international law....

we are in the "primoridal ooze" of our region....lets not push it too far....lets concentrate of forging alliances,relationships,friendships,trade agreements etc


Also: i think its time we mapped out our nations as in roads, major cities, ports, airports, etc.

@stok you might want to make a capital that is in EA i mean you can have 2 capitals like Constantinople and rome

But I don't have one in Europe. My capital is not on the region map. My European capitals would either be Sankt-Peterburg or Moskva, but I don't control either.

What about one on the Volga?

Volgograd, which was Stalingrad? I considered it, but then I thought, why? Besides, what's the use of two capitals anyway? The RL Russia has one capital...

About the map, I could create one for just the region. Using PAINT.net.

thats what i was talking about

1 day and 7 pages. Please, I can't keep up! Think about me!
Since I'm lazy, please tell me who med. union is, and If there really is gonna be a war over Grib.
Oh yeah,
Yes, Yes and No.

*Runs off to build army and draw up plans about Suralia*

Why am i being targeted?

I honestly never planned on starting a war, I just believe that its important to leave a small but essential inlet to more than one country!

Nothing personal, I am just thinking up a general attack plan for most of the coastal countries in case we do the EA war.

Drugs: Drugs above class C are illegal. class c drugs are legal but employers reserve the right to fire/ refuse employment to users, it is illegal to opperate a vehicle or heavy machinery while under the influence.
Gay rights: all civil rights as any other citizen.
Abortion: forced on peoples whome do not posses a birth licence, used to terminate a fetus that is not classed as healthy.
Euthanasia: all peoples over 75 are "retired."
prostitution: governement and privately run- strict rule and regulations.

There wont be any war in Kenny.

Again, for OOC discussion. I assume we'll need a semi-special agreement with No Taxes. Rendering §2,Article 5, Subsection 1 null and void and instead replacing it with:

§2
Article 5
(1)No Taxes will set tariffs to countries of the AU and Corporate Alliance to 0% and any good imported into No Taxes from countries who are from either of those international organizations will have a label saying "Imported with 0% Tariff from [Corporate Alliance/Atlantican Union] depending on whether it was imported from the Corporate Alliance or Atlantican Union so that states who are a member of the other organization can charge appropriate tariffs. It may say "Imported with 0% Tariff from Corporate Alliance&Atlantican Union" if the product is imported from a member state of both organizations.


Treaty of Brussels

§1 Atlantican Union Administration

Article 1
(1) This hereby forms the Atlantican Union (AU), a customs union.
(2) All signing states agree to the terms laid out in this treaty and join the customs union.
Article 2
(1) The Atlantican Union is to be governed by three pillars: The Atlantican Collective Economic Community (ACEC), Atlantican Foriegn and Security Council (AFSC) and Atlantican Judicial and Policing Force (AJPF).
(2) The ACEC will be responsible for the single market, competition law, economic and monetray integration, EU citizenship, atlantican trade networks, consumer protection, social, asylum and immigration policy and border controls.
(3) The AFSC will be responsible for foreign and security policy including:
- Foreign Aid
- AU battlegroups
- Peacekeeping
(4) The AJPF will be responsible for combating weapon and drug smuggling, terrorism, slavery, organised crime, bribery and fraud.
Article 3
(1) These branches are to be co-ordinated by the Atlantican Commission. Each signatory state will send a comissioner to be appointed. The commissioners will elect among themselves a president. Commissioners are to represent the Union.
(2) Each nation will elect two members by referendum to each branch. They will represent their country in each branch.
Article 4
(1) The legislature of the AU is hereby created.
(2) It shall be unicameral and each state will send members based on population. The minimum number of memebrs is 5 and the maximum is 99.
(3) They are to be paid 5 X (10 to the power of anything deemed sufficient which would not make them poor nor rich, so 10 to the power of 4 if the currency was about equal to the USD.)
Article 5
(1) Legislation passed is equal to national law of signatory states.
(2) No loopholes are to be created.
(3) A law passed must be passed by 65% of the members of Atlantican legislature (MALs) and represent 70% of the population of the AU.

§2 Economic Intergration

Article 1
(1) Every nation will change their currency cosmetically and legal tender in one signatory state becomes legal tender in all other signatory states with value based on exchange rates.
(2) The Atlantican Monetary Institute (AMI) is formed to monitor exchange rates and look when two or more member states can adopt the same currency and have banknotes be legal tender at face value in said states.
(3) When the majourity of signatory states have acheived this the AMI shall becvome the Atlantican Central Bank (ACB), replacing all national central banks of signatory states who are up to par with the Atla's value. The AMI will work with remaining central banks until every signatory state is up to par.
(4) In the meantime, the AMI will work with national central banks.
(5) The ACB will do the work of national central banks.
Article 2
(1) This establishes the free movement of:
-Goods
-Persons
-Capital
over the borders of signatory states. It also establishes the freedom to provide services in any signatory state.
Article 3
(1) In order to join the customs union one must be ofone of the following UN categories in order to preserve freedom within the Union*:
-Right-Wing Utopia, Free Market Paradise, Conservative Democracy
-Inoffensive Centrist Democracy, Compulsory Consumerist State, Liberal Democratic Socialists
-New York Times Democracy, Coporate Bordello, Capitalist Paradise
-Anarchy, Capitalizt, Civil Rights Lovefest
-Benevolent Dictatorship, Left-Leaning College State, Left-Wing Utopia
-Libertarian Police State, Scandinavian Liberal Paradise
(2) They must meet these criteria when they sign the treaty but may change to an unaccepted category should it not raise any issues on the international stage.
Article 4
(1) The cosmetic changes to signatory states' currency shall include a name change to 'Atla'.
(2) While different Atla's have different values coins from different countries shall have different number of sides. This is so that it isn't possible to cheat vending machines. Bills from each country will have the country of origin's flag in the top left corner on each side and the reverse of each coin shall be the country of origin's flag in colour.
(3) Dementions of banknotes and coins shall be standardized throughout the AU though so that change to the common currency value will be as simple as removing the flags on bills and replacing the design of the reverse side of the coin.
Article 5
(1) Within the AU tariffs shall be set to 0%. Outside the AU, tariffs shall be set to 10% for beneficial trading to signatory states and forbiddening of re-exportation.
(2) The following products shall be the only products monitored within the AU:
-Narcotic Substances
-Firearms
This is due to differing policy on these items in various countries within the Europa Atlantica region.
(3)Passports are to be standardised within the AU
(4)Border checks are to be eliminated unless between signatory states of different policies on drugs and guns.

§3 Powers of the AFSC and AJPF

Article 1
(1) All data about crimes commited in signatory states shall be directed to the AJPF computer to re-direct to all police dtatbanks.
(2) This includes information on past crimes and criminal records
Article 2
(1) Should a police officer notice a criminal from another AU country crossing an AU border or within a foreign signatory state territory he may chase said criminal to apprehend him and bring him to the crime's country of origin to be tried in the court of law.
(2) Should a police officer cross an AU border in pursuit of a criminal s/he may continue chasing for 100 km before having to radio in local police.
(3) Police radios over all AU countris shall be made to recivie and send messages to the radios of all other AU police officials within 100 km.


To Be Edited In


*This is based on a point system with 3 points given for high, 2 for medium and 1 for low in each freedom category ( political, civil and economical). Added up, these points must total atleast six. For example, Inoffensive Centrist Democracy is medium on all freedoms so 2+2+2 = 6 so it meets the requirements. Also, I apologize to Stoklomolvi and Oily prata for they do not meet the freedom requirements (4 points by the point system).

Here you go. I didn't want to re-post it but since it is nearly 60 pages back I decided it would be best to, especially with the renewed discussion. Before criticizing the AU, read this treaty or, if NP posts it, the version with NP's stuff added.

West Scandia
If you are sure, nonetheless Rockall is yours.


Thanks. And thanks for putting it on the map too! :)

The New Policy of Drugs, Prostetution and Euthanasia

Drugs: Anyone caught in ownership of drugs, traficking drugs or using drugs will be shot on the premises of the action. However if someone flies drugs over Miamorian property then it is none of our buisness as long as they do not land our our property.

Prostetution: Prostetution is legal but you must have a license to be a prostetute which includes getting weekly testing of any sexually transmitted diseases. If you test positive for a disease you are stripped of your license. If you are an illegal prostetute and are caught you will serve a two month period in the Whales Jail district. If you offend a second time you will get a five month sentence. Any more offences after that you time keeps getting doubled.

Euthanasia: Euthanasia is illegal unless you get a government grant. If you illegally euthanise someone you get a life sentence in the Whales jail district. To apply to a grant you must prove the persons life quality is severly below normal. It must also be impossible to treat the illness the person has.

as per the general way ur nation is set up...since i have no idea how our nations look

I have a question about my claim. Why did Calizornstan get part of one of the Isalnds in the Danish straits? I was told i would have them.

The AU would bring no true benefit to some of the larger nations, namely No Taxes, Binaria, Oily Prata, etc. I mean, it's like the League of Nations, as Binaria said a while back.

I have a question about my claim. Why did Calizornstan get part of one of the Isalnds in the Danish straits? I was told i would have them.

That island in question was nearer to the Calizornistani mainland than Binarian mainland(s), so I felt it fairer to go to the former: I believed you were requesting the islands in between your Danish and Swedish territory you see, thus decided that the island was more likely to be Calizornistani. I should have said, but as you may have noticed, I do tweak the borders when new nations come in in order to offer the fairest split possible. If it is a major problem then discuss it with Calizornistan, and should that not resolve things I'll change it back for you.

OOC: I request that NP give me back the land i claimed. I claimed England, Whales and Ireland and my land has been severly lessend compared to what i originally had. Np if you want to do behind the scenes work TG me otherwise can someone edit the map.

Wales ;)

Or Cymru, if you want to be a Celt. A good language, Welsh. Sounds nice when you hear them speak in it. Tis becoming a rare tongue, though. :(

Wales ;)

Or Cymru, if you want to be a Celt.

**Engages Celtic ancestry by painting self blue. Attempts to learn Cornish**

The blue berries (I believe they are berries, I am of course speaking straight off of memory with no real hard source of reference here) are mixed with seamen to give the right consistency. That's right, seamen. I think it's called "Mude", again straight from a very dodgy memory.

The blue berries (I believe they are berries, I am of course speaking straight off of memory with no real hard source of reference here) are mixed with seamen to give the right consistency. That's right, seamen. I think it's called "Mude", again straight from a very dodgy memory.

**gives bewildered look at paint**

Creative use of bodily fluids. What was the significance of the Mude?

**gives bewildered look at paint**

Creative use of bodily fluids. What was the significance of the Mude?

I *believe* (again, no where near certain) that the mixture in face reflected very, very little light, and made warriors look almost 2D at night time. As such, it was very hard for the Roman eye to track a warriors movements, so naked blue warriors would wreck havoc in after-dark stealthy assaults on Roman camps.

I *believe* (again, no where near certain) that the mixture in face reflected very, very little light, and made warriors look almost 2D at night time. As such, it was very hard for the Roman eye to track a warriors movements, so naked blue warriors would wreck havoc in after-dark stealthy assaults on Roman camps.

Cool. Very good with tactics, these ancient Britons.

Cool. Very good with tactics, these ancient Britons.

Hang on, I'm having a very difficult time trying to find anything to back these ramblings up with. There is a firm believe that Celts painted themselves with "Woad", believing it gave them magical properties before battle. The modern theory is that it offered strong antiseptic properties however, it is nigh impossible to mix the blue "Woad" pigment into a paste let alone a tatoo-able dye and although it is an excellent astringent, it is recorded to turn the vast majority of wounds caustic. As far as I can tell, "Mude" is a product of my imagination as sources indicate the nearest pigment, "Woad" would be unsuitable for said puropose, and theories may point towards copper.

What is certain is that Celts did paint themselves blue, hence "Picti" meaning "painted ones" in classical Latin.

Hang on, I'm having a very difficult time trying to find anything to back these ramblings up with. There is a firm believe that Celts painted themselves with "Woad", believing it gave them magical properties before battle. The modern theory is that it offered strong antiseptic properties however, it is nigh impossible to mix the blue "Woad" pigment into a paste let alone a tatoo-able dye and although it is an excellent astringent, it is recorded to turn the vast majority of wounds caustic. As far as I can tell, "Mude" is a product of my imagination as sources indicate the nearest pigment, "Woad" would be unsuitable for said puropose, and theories may point towards copper.

What is certain is that Celts did paint themselves blue, hence "Picti" meaning "painted ones" in classical Latin.

**applauds**

I've now learned something today, Picts.

Meh, the damn political-correctness fest that is the US education system wouldn't dare teach about how the Amerindians painted themselves. (Though it was with berries as well, I believe.)

Hey kenny do you mind if i have the strait of Gibraltar as well?

Wales ;)

Or Cymru, if you want to be a Celt. A good language, Welsh. Sounds nice when you hear them speak in it. Tis becoming a rare tongue, though. :(

My grandmother and her friend speak it. I'd like to learn it, if I can find a place in the U.S. to do so.

I used to have welsh friends, but I stopped IMing them.

And NP beat me to the punch on the Woad thing

My grandmother and her friend speak it. I'd like to learn it, if I can find a place in the U.S. to do so.

As would I. Tell me if you find one.

well then that was educational.....i think

As would I. Tell me if you find one.

Will do.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13374330#post13374330

Miamoria: Wales*. What about abortion?

Yanitaria: Nice logo.

NP: Nice info-bite(s). Do you have an updated treaty?

This thread is getting huge. No where near old World Cup discussion thread huge but still, its getting there.

does that mean we can finally close of this thread, has EA filled up?

I disagree this keeps the thread active and visible.

Indeed. I think there should be an off site OOC board.

Nah, keep this thing alive. Like the EII thread, only much, much smaller.

I agree with No Taxes and Stok. Let's keep this thing alive right here.

Also, there is room for approximately sevenmore nations, as the following territories are still free:


Italy

Western Iberia

North-Eastern Africa

Finland

The Russian Far-West

Turkey

and That Bit East of Turkey.


And these are generous portions of land at that.

Hmm... perhaps it may be best. Any ideas on what sort of forums we would have? Instead of leaving this as an IC thread, I believe it would be best as a claims thread for new members. Then again, the way it is keeps it constantly bumped and thus attracts potential RP'ers.

It's just that the thread is so cluttered, and if you miss a day, you have to read 30 pages.

If we go IC on this, and get on OOC board, the thread will still be alive, and we can organize things much more efficiently.

For instance, Kabavian's post...



...was totally overlooked.
I don't think it was overlooked, I mean I saw it, I just don't think Kenny has been on since it was posted.

For instance, Kabavian's post...

Hey kenny do you mind if i have the strait of Gibraltar as well?

...was totally overlooked.

can we expand some of our nations, if it gets to populous it gets really complex
We have stated that we are not going to worry about insane population densities. Even if No Taxes (or Binaria or Kenny) was to take up the whole map it would still be overpopulated.

can we expand some of our nations, if it gets to populous it gets really complex

We can discuss multiplicity factors for the map in general, or leave it up to the individual nations as currently in effect.

I don't think it was overlooked, I mean I saw it, I just don't think Kenny has been on since it was posted.

Yes, but it applies just as much to NP. In any case, it should be okay with Kenny. He sent a TG telling me as much last night, and I am sure he would be glad to get rid of it after all the trouble he's gone through for it.

We can discuss multiplicity factors for the map in general, or leave it up to the individual nations as currently in effect.

I say we ignore it. Although it will get hairy in a few years when some of use have militaries in the billions, and are defending our lands with everyone of them.

So who in this region is in the UC? I didn't really see a definite list of members on the UC thread.

I'm going to get booted out if I do not change, if that counts.

Hey kenny do you mind if i have the strait of Gibraltar as well?

Sure why not, you can have the part in Morrocco back.


Pictavia, can I request that Kenny now conform with the Portuguese border of RL Spain?

I was thinking..what about timezones? Do each of you have your timezones? I know the Koninkrijk is using UTC+1h timezone but what about the rest of you? Two, maybe three timezones?

I am UC, NP is, obviously, Surailia, Kirav/West Scandia. That's it.

Perhaps an AU base? I know everyone is saying its going to be like the 'League of Nations' but I suppose no one has read the treaty for several weeks.

---Kenny--- in the most peaceful way possible can we put a NATO like base on the tips of the straights to keep them open

---Kenny--- in the most peaceful way possible can we put a NATO like base on the tips of the straights to keep them open

For the last time, NO!

I was thinking..what about timezones? Do each of you have your timezones? I know the Koninkrijk is using UTC+1h timezone but what about the rest of you? Two, maybe three timezones?

By a bizarre time paradox, Kenny uses UTC -5 or what they call Sunrise Standard Time (SST)

also can we get maps or w.e on everyones nations, like i have a bunch of detailed maps but i have reached my mapping peak.

also kenny i have shut off my south borders to you except for land trade to surailia

oh thats right, the money that was left in that account hasn't been wired to your banks yet, and if no one thinks that is allowed then i would like it all send back to surailia before the borders close tonight

also can we get maps or w.e on everyones nations, like i have a bunch of detailed maps but i have reached my mapping peak.

also kenny i have shut off my south borders to you except for land trade to surailia

um Okay...uhh all Surailian accounts, loans, and credit cards belonging to our banks are hereby frozen.

um Okay...uhh all Surailian accounts, loans, and credit cards belonging to our banks are hereby frozen.

WTFPWN3D!

I guess you should have not put your money in Kennyan banks, Sura

HAHAHA!! Wait, what? G-gasp!

Wait thats a secret bank account...your banks are no questions asked...you dont know it belongs to a suailian official...Give me my money before i giggle

We ask no questions, but since it was done in the name of the Surailian Emperor, we assume the account was Surailian.

Ahem,
We have set you up with a Capital Account, this includes the strongest security the bank offers. The deposit itself have been placed in our main bank in Kennyopolis. To make a withdrawal you yourself must be present, you also will be given a pin and a key that has only 1 other like it we keep for bank purposes.

because the beatus has better interest rates

See last post

We're sorry, but the border between Kenny and Surailia is now closed

fine, i am sorry and i will re open my borders...to trade, no tourism

Hmm...safely say, "owned"?

Hehe, PWNT! OWNT! HAHA!

Quick SIC to Kenny: We would like to invite you to an alliance between your great country and ours.

Heheh...

Sure ----Kenny----, I'll change the map as soon as I have the time.

lol u guys are funneh.

But really, what the hell is going on? :confused:

Legality of Drugs:


Every Drug is legal

Benelux
No Taxes
Surailia
Calzorinstan
Yanitaria

Soft drugs are legal

West Scandia
Torvque

Class C drugs are legal

Pictavia
Hectonia
Corbournne

Every Drug is Illegal

Stoklomolvi
----Kenny----
Miamoria
The Beatus
Oily Prata

Unknown as of most recent Edit

Binaria
Kabavian
Fjordenburg



For the purposes of this list, please correct me if this differs from your definition, soft drugs are:

Cannabis (Marijuana)
LSD
Psilocybin (contained in 'Magic Mushrooms' or 'Shrooms')
Mescaline
Caffeine
MDMA (Ecstasy)
Ketamine


There are probably others but those are the main ones. Ethanol and Nicotine are hard drugs however commonly un-regulated. Caffeine, Ketamine and Caffeine are not always considered soft drugs, nor are they always considered hard drugs.

Class C drugs are, again, tell me if your definition differs:


Benzphetamine
Benzodiazapines
Cannabinol
Cannabis
Cathine
Chlorphentermine
Fencamfamin
Gammahydroxybutyrate
Ketamine
Mephentermine
Pemoline
Phendernetrazine
Phentermine
Pripradrol
Prolintane

fine, i am sorry and i will re open my borders...to trade, no tourism

Agreed, for now

Hmm...safely say, "owned"?

indeed

Hehe, PWNT! OWNT! HAHA!

Quick SIC to Kenny: We would like to invite you to an alliance between your great country and ours.

Check your TGs

Heheh...

Sure ----Kenny----, I'll change the map as soon as I have the time.

Thanks so much NP

Class C Drugs are legal in Corbournne.

Soft drugs are legal in West Scandia.

Everyone is free to take whatever drug they want

Soft drugs are legal in Torvque, to an extent.

Where is the normal chatter which creates the pages and pages to shift through in the morning? Why...its gone. Oh yeah, Calzorinstan TGed me about his drug policy and he may or may not confirm it.

Let's get the ball rolling however. Notice how Calzorinstan, Surailia, No taxes and I create a Free Drug zone type thing? I guess drug policy is contagious, lol.

Drugs are tightly regulated, if you want them the government is going to be getting a cut of the profits, a large cut!

Yanitaria is now deregulating drugs so that we can tax them. All drugs are now legal.

Only caffiene and Nicotine is legal.
TG for Kenny

Where's the several pages worth of new stuff?

1 day and 7 pages. Please, I can't keep up! Think about me!
Since I'm lazy, please tell me who med. union is, and If there really is gonna be a war over Grib.
Oh yeah,
Yes, Yes and No.

*Runs off to build army and draw up plans about Suralia*

That's what.

Argh! Well, there goes my baguette. Damn.

To the Government of Oily Prata:
From President Norheim, of the USSY

In the interests of joint Stoklomolvi-Yanitarian Baguettes, we must full heartedly tell you that any incursion on Surailian soil will result in a counter invasion by the USSY.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/ImperialSealUpload.png
Imperial Communiqué

Open Declaration:
Any invasion of anyone may lead to the possible invasion of someone else by Pictaiva.


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/Gaius.jpg
Regards,
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/Signature.png
Gaius Kadesh, Consul of the Pictish Imperium
High Commander of the Pictish Armed Forces
Warlord of the Utopian Crusades

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/ImperialSealUpload.png
Imperial Communiqué

Open Declaration:
Any invasion of anyone may lead to the possible invasion of someone else by Pictaiva.


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/Gaius.jpg
Regards,
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/Signature.png
Gaius Kadesh, Consul of the Pictish Imperium
High Commander of the Pictish Armed Forces
Warlord of the Utopian Crusades

Statement to No One in Particular:

Failing to invade someone by any one may result in the failure of others to invade someone else.

Signed
Jim Lange,
President,
The Republic of the Beatus

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd188/NS_Crossbowman/diploheader.png

Open Diplomatic Communiqué

The failure of the invasion of someone by somebody else that results in an invasion on someone that fails will result in the failure of an invasion of someone.

Regards,
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/images/Grigorsig.png
Grigor Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich
Civilian Management
Minister of Foreign Affairs

STOP IT ALL PLEASE! I CAN'T TAKE THE CONFUSION!

....*ahem*

It's not really that confusing, Yani. It's about the invasion of someone, and if that someone is invaded by someone then that someone will be invaded by Pictavia, and if the invasion of that someone by Pictavia fails then the invasion of others will fail, and I added that the invasion of someone by Pictavia that results in the invasion of another will fail.

:headbang:...can't comprehend...brain..hurts...

It's not really that confusing, Yani. It's about the invasion of someone, and if that someone is invaded by someone then that someone will be invaded by Pictavia, and if the invasion of that someone by Pictavia fails then the invasion of others will fail, and I added that the invasion of someone by Pictavia that results in the invasion of another will fail.

LOL! That had me. But really, if anyone invades someone then Pictavia will just invade someone else to use the distraction. Woop!

FYI

Protests in the Beatus Turn Violent (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=547693)

New Oslo Pact (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13379422#post13379422)

Forget the AU, it's taking too long, and it's too invasive.

Kirav, just out of curiosity, is there any chance that you have a nation by the name of Arundhil?

Wha? What's this about me invading Surailia? Did you not read the post two posts down? I'm drawing just up basic defensive plans and my factbook!(nearing completion, I might say)

Oh, and Beatus, I get you perfectly ;)

Hi, i want to join. can i have the free land where oily prada and torque are?

Hi i want to join can i have the land left where oily prada and torque is?

My new factbook
please proofread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13380503#post13380503

Hi i want to join can i have the land left where oily prada and torque is?

I see no problem with that. Just a few things first, can you make sure you've read the opening post carefully, and then tell us a bit about your nation, i.e why it would be inhabiting that area?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/ImperialSealUpload.png
Imperial Communiqué

Open Declaration:
The Pictish Imperium (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=543662) wishes to declare its interests of peaceful expansion within Europa Atlantica. All states of Atlantica may prosper under the wing of the Imperium and share brotherhood with its circa 17,500,000,000 citizens. Already ten nations strong, the Imperium (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=543662) can provide you with decades of economic stability, international security and unlimited growth.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/Gaius.jpg
Regards,
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/Signature.png
Gaius Kadesh, Consul of the Pictish Imperium
High Commander of the Pictish Armed Forces
Warlord of the Utopian Crusades

Kirav, just out of curiosity, is there any chance that you have a nation by the name of Arundhil?

I'm afraid I don't. Never heard of him either.

picts....what are you asking?

picts....what are you asking?

Join his alliance thingie. The Pictish Imperium.

I'm still trying to figure out how Nova Pictavia got such a huge nation to become his protectorate.

NWS:
I offer sex to anyone who'll join, and I'm good ;)

So the pictish imperium is a protectorate whore?

We prefer to be called Whorectorates.

NWS:
I offer sex to anyone who'll join, and I'm good ;)

So the pictish imperium is a protectorate whore?

My new factbook
please proofread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13380503#post13380503
(I would post on the thread, but it says not to.)

I think that your number of tanks is way too high in comparison to the number of total soldiers in your army. You have less than 150,000 tanks with 5,000,000 soldiers in your army. Taking into consideration that these tanks will need a crews of at least 3 men, and service crews of probably 8 men each, 1,650,000 men, or fully 1/3 of your army are completely involved manning and servicing the tanks (compare this to the United States Army, which with about 20% of your manpower and 20% of your budget maintains a number of tanks roughly 3% of your number - this being arguably the most modern force in the world). Not to mention that keeping 150,000 tanks supplied with gasoline and ammunition would be a logistical nightmare, likely requiring the services of the rest of your Army. While of course you could have almost a completely tank-based army, it would not be advisable as it could be stopped very easily with a variety of anti-tank methods and the terrain in Scandinavia doesn't really lend itself to massive tank warfare.

Other than that the factbook seems well-detailed, perhaps you might increase your personnel in the your Airforce considering the number of planes you have - It takes quite a few men just to maintain one aircraft.

(I would post on the thread, but it says not to.)

I think that your number of tanks is way too high in comparison to the number of total soldiers in your army. You have less than 150,000 tanks with 5,000,000 soldiers in your army. Taking into consideration that these tanks will need a crews of at least 3 men, and service crews of probably 8 men each, 1,650,000 men, or fully 1/3 of your army are completely involved manning and servicing the tanks (compare this to the United States Army, which with about 20% of your manpower and 20% of your budget maintains a number of tanks roughly 3% of your number - this being arguably the most modern force in the world). Not to mention that keeping 150,000 tanks supplied with gasoline and ammunition would be a logistical nightmare, likely requiring the services of the rest of your Army. While of course you could have almost a completely tank-based army, it would not be advisable as it could be stopped very easily with a variety of anti-tank methods and the terrain in Scandinavia doesn't really lend itself to massive tank warfare.

Other than that the factbook seems well-detailed, perhaps you might increase your personnel in the your Airforce considering the number of planes you have - It takes quite a few men just to maintain one aircraft.

Also, massed tanks in mountain regions mean they have to stick to valleys, creating a massive target for carpet bombing.

@Oily

5mil troops, packed into 1 army.

So a squad has 200 men?

It's extremely bloated, and so your commanders will be busy either managing 50 times the men they should be, or never having enough experience leading a whole army, so that if you are ever invaded, the guy you have in charge will be 20 year out of date, still believing that semi-auto rifles>automatic rifles, and that RHA is the best armour one can have, because it saved him from being an overcooked pancake in the 40's, when he was last in the front lines? (For example)

I have a question: Say 2.5% of my population are in the armed forces (I consider this a norm/average for NS), and I presume that percentage would include supply operations. So, what would be a realistic percentage of population for the number of troops you could have? (I apologies for the grammatical incoherence of that question. I am quite tired)

Depends on whether or not you have PMC's do a lot of work.

If yes, 1/5

If no, 1/7

I have a question: Say 2.5% of my population are in the armed forces (I consider this a norm/average for NS), and I presume that percentage would include supply operations. So, what would be a realistic percentage of population for the number of troops you could have? (I apologies for the grammatical incoherence of that question. I am quite tired)
I personally think that even 2.5% in peacetime is high, especially if your economy is not up to par. I go with roughly 1% for my nation (which is still high compared to RL, though in my mind this is balanced out by the fact that my economy is very strong).

To Yani
Army:5,000,000x Combatants led by Field Fuhrer
Corps: 1,000,000x Combatants led by Major General
Division: 250,000x Combatants led by Colonel
Regiment: 25,000x Combatants led by Major
Battalion: 5,000x Combatants led by Captain
Company: 500x Combatants led by Lieutenant
Platoon: 50x Combatants led by Second Lieutenant
Squad: 10x Combatants led by Sergeant

To 1010102,No taxes: When I was new, I hade the theory of me being a large flat island, so I went on a missive tank buying spree. Once I realized that aircraft>tank, I started an aircraft buying spree. I think I ought to tweak the numbers, I should, as my origional factbook had an army of 30 million.

30 million?! Hell, that would implode your economy in an instant.

No taxes is right.

Also, Oily. I just looked at your navy. Congratulations, it is the only navy in the world that cannot leave port to go to war. You have no supply ships. Using your troop count and ship count, you can have 88 combat ships.

Furthermore, since you don't have a coast guard, half of those ships got to coastal and harbour defence (which is usually a joint thing between the navy protecting the harbours, and the coast guard having the shores.

Further more, at any one time, you can deploy 25% of your combat ships with out streaching your defences to thin. So you have fleets of 11 ships.

Meanwhile, with your troop count, you can have, on average, 470 men per ship.

Yet you have a primarily battleship fleet, each requiring 1000 men. aboard, at least (carriers 5 thousand).

And they are in shifts of three. So, you have a crew that cannot operate it's guns and drive the boat at the same time.

And I didn't even count the aircrews or marines. So you have no air power to speak of, and you have no one to defend against your ship being boarded, except for a bunch of starving men (remember, no supply ships means no food), who have been up 24/7 just making sure the reactors on your ship don't blow up.

You don't have a navy, you have a bunch of ships, mostly outdated anyways, who can really only gather barnacles in the harbour, or go out of a day to shoo away kids in motor boats, who will undoubtably be in better shape.

But at least they are well trained.

To Yani
Army:5,000,000x Combatants led by Field Fuhrer
Corps: 1,000,000x Combatants led by Major General
Division: 250,000x Combatants led by Colonel
Regiment: 25,000x Combatants led by Major
Battalion: 5,000x Combatants led by Captain
Company: 500x Combatants led by Lieutenant
Platoon: 50x Combatants led by Second Lieutenant
Squad: 10x Combatants led by Sergeant

To 1010102,No taxes: When I was new, I hade the theory of me being a large flat island, so I went on a missive tank buying spree. Once I realized that aircraft>tank, I started an aircraft buying spree. I think I ought to tweak the numbers, I should, as my origional factbook had an army of 30 million.

Point still stands. I was simply pointing out that a field fuher, of which there is only one, once put in control of the nation's defence force, will be out of touch with tactics, becaust by the time you hit captain, you have the responsibilities of a colonel.

I would never put anyone at the rank of captain in charge of 5,000 men, because he simply doesn't have the experience.

And if you say that you only premote them when they get that experience, your Field Fuhrer would be something like 200 years old, and probably wouldn't have actually seen a battle since he was 20.

30 million?! Hell, that would implode your economy in an instant.

Indeed, china has something like 10 million, which is about comparable in size.

Granted, this is NS, but how well is china doing?

Also, Oily, if I come off sounding harsh, I don't mean to. If you'll check my military page, that was from the first week or so that I started playing, and hasn't been updated, except for a few pieces of equipment that I upgraded.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if someone saw my airforce now, and think I was totally just making it up. On my military page, I have Nato and WP planes, but in practice, it's entirely WP.

Also, don't rely too much on NS designs, they aren't as superior as one would think, when it comes to planes.

Behemoth II Heavy Battle Tank
Type: Heavy Battle Tank
Crew: 3 (Commander, Gunner, Driver)
Length: 18.2m
Width: 10m
Height: 7.3m
Weight: 360 tons
Armor: 3x Layers of Triada Armor
Ground clearance: 2.85m
Armament:
--2x 220mm Smooth Bore Gun (with auto-loading system)
--2x Computer Controlled Stingers Pods (each hold 6x Stingers)
--1x M240 Medium Machine Gun
Engine:
-2x TLS Propulsion ME-120 (3800 hp each)
-96 ft2 of TLS Propulsion Solar Photovoltaic Panels (5600 watts per day)
Power to Weight Ratio: 21.1 hp/ton
Fuel capacity: 1750 Gallons
Max Speed: 39 mph (Governed)


Somebody ripped you off, BIG TIME.

A tank that big is impossible. Let me provide linkage.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1514

At most, you can have a 140mm gun, and even then, it's not in a turret.

You have a point there. But lets see:
Total Vessels: 440
--Active Vessels: 156
1st exped fleet
36
WOlfpack A
19 ships
WOlfpack B
24 ships
Battle Group A
28 vessels
thats 107 ships
there are two other Flotillas, one is not in service, its a paper tiger so 214 ships. the home fleet is permanently docked, so not counted...Damn, I do need more supply ships... And men...Hmm...

Yeah, I did get explained taht it was a PMT tank, and in hindsight it wasn't really valuable, it just came with the package I was buying...

Don't worry, you have 450,000 per person. I personally go with 500,000 per person, but I have a more robust economy, and I don't attack anyone, really.

You should go more in the area of 200,000 per. It's still really good, but will give you the people you need.

And you should report ships that are docked, and supply ships. The reason you are putting this here is so that in an RP, you'll not get accused of godmodding.

So list everything.

I adjusted my factbook a little, lowering the amount of warships and listing supply ships. 1-1 ratio good?

I adjusted my factbook a little, lowering the amount of warships and listing supply ships. 1-1 ratio good?

Atleast a 2-1 of supply ships to combat ships

Compilation of all Royal Families' Heads of Europa Atlantica and those relating to Europa Atlantica (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=547812)

Just thought I should post that link here. Happy Genealogical 'finding' ;)

Damn...all of my national rulers were monarchs (including the parliamentary "republic" period), and I've set it so that Stoklomolvi was "founded" in 4000 something BC...

Stok: Have single-child royal nuclear families until the most recent century or so, I'd say the last 3 monarchs. For the other approximately 147 monarchs, repeat the same five to ten names over and over. Do it horizontally if needed, change Houses every 10 - 15 monarchs. It doesn't matter if it looks un-natural.

EDIT: That leaves you with 10 - 15 houses. A house is a single male line (it is changed by marriage of a female heiress to a male noble.)

Regional RP section of the first post has been updated. The map will be fixed as soon as I can be arsed, sorry ----Kenny---- I promise I've not forgotten!

Regional RP section of the first post has been updated. The map will be fixed as soon as I can be arsed, sorry ----Kenny---- I promise I've not forgotten!

thanks, It's no problem take your time.

incidentally I'm going to try to make a political map of EA

Is the border between NP and Mia the one on the OP or is it divided by the Irish Provinces?

I do believe, although this is only what Miamoria told me IRL, NP agreed through TG to the splitting by Leinster and Munster to Miamoria, Connacht and Ulster to NP. Also, Wales + England is Miamoria's and Scotland is NP's.

TY for updating the OP NP! The map is technically a geo-political one. Not purely political, not purely geographical although with real satellite images.

EDIT: Oh. That's very interesting. I was just saying what Miamoria told me, that is that you agreed to my proposed split. I realize that that is wrong. It doesn't look, to me, like Mia has any of Ulster.

After a chat Miamoria allowed me to keep the territory in the OP. Other political maps have actually been outlawed in order to preserve geographical accuracy as the region expands. However, if you send me the direct link via TG instead of posting it here I'll take a look at it and reconsider the current stance of maps. You see, the map changes so often it would be impractical to have more than one. Added to that, I like to retain control of borders et cetera.
Although, technically is the map on the first post not already a political map?

Oh, and I'm honoured to be featured in a signature at last! :D

Edit: Dutchy: No, we never agreed anything based on RL provinces. The current divide is I have 3/4 of Connacht, 3/4 of Ulster and 1/2 of Munster, while Miamoria has all of Leinster, 1/2 of Munster, 1/4 of Connacht and 1/4 of Ulster. Roughly the same as the OP, but still a 50/50 split of Ireland like splitting the four provinces between us.

Overall, it equals the same territory to both sides.

I adjusted my factbook a little, lowering the amount of warships and listing supply ships. 1-1 ratio good?

4-1

Four supply ships for every combat ship

And that's being combat ship heavy. I think the US, for instance, uses 7 supply ships for every combat ship.

But that includes ice breakers, tugs, and supply carriers.

I'm sorry, I have a tug and icebreaking fleet as a seprate entity. I meant oilers for non-nuclear ships, supply carriers and those sort of things.

Still something like 3 to 1

I don't like this, it's like the calm before the storm. It's too quite! Keep your eyes open.

Where's the massive amount of stuff that I have to sift through everyday? Come on people, let's move!

At 15:30 on Friday the 11th of January as he was getting off the plane returning from the USSY Adam Gaultier the Chairman of the Surailian Imperial Council and Prince of Valoir-Saxe was shot by Hazer Shostakovitch of The Fog a Surailian terrorist organization for his lax attitudes on Surailian integration with the rest of AE and his most recent choice not to attack ---Kenny---.

He was then rushed to the Arms of Israel Medical Center in Cirica for treatment but sustained a massive trauma from the "through and through" and has been put into a comatose state by doctors to keep his from going into massive shock.

Until his heath improves his Daughter Amelie (Emily) Gaultier the Duchess of Saxony will be taking up the Surailian imperial crown after the Open of Parliament on Monday the 28th of January

^^^^
That, is news.

I don't like this, it's like the calm before the storm. It's too quite! Keep your eyes open.

Its all going according to plan. Soon the world will be mine, and i'll have One Hundred Quadrillion Dollars!!!!!oneeleven!!!!11111exclamationpoint!(pinkie to cheek)

^^^^
That, is news.

Yeah time to break the silence

From the national Enquirer (The celebrity papers) 15/01/08

"...Her Serene Grace and preliminary Imperial Majesty Amelie Gaultier has been said to have suffered a nervous breakdown following the shooting of her father. It is said that She spent the last three days Staring at the ocean out the window of her home on Elsenor island[Pictured] what this means for the Gaultier Royals we Don't know "

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/Katdemon113/Sweeney%20Todd/4343.jpg
Her serene grace

From the national enquirer 16/01/08

"....I am sorry for my inaccurate and forged article on His Majesty's daughter and i hope that you can accept my utmost apology's Your Grace....I hope
that there are no hard feelings, and i here by step down from my job as reporter for the National Enquirer"

From the Surailian press (national Papers) 18/01/08

....an Embarrassment for his family and for the national enquirer the Reporter who must remain nameless has abruptly left the nation overnight..."

hey kenny do you have a map of your country with cities?

hey kenny do you have a map of your country with cities?

Not yet, but i have the basic idea of where they will be located. Why?

IC: Statement to the nations of Europa Atlantica,

We wish to invite all capitalist nations of Europa Atlantica to take part in a new trade agreement. The first order of business will be to work out a formal agreement. Your input is welcome. We hope this will bring all nations closer together.

(OOC: If you like the sound of this, join forum here (http://z15.invisionfree.com/Royalist_Trade_Agree/index.php?act=idx)!)

You guys sure do like your external forums...

External forums are Ebil...

well....its not letting me sign in

well....its not letting me sign in

What's not letting you sign in?

the site

the site

Did you register?

do i have to register for each forum? cause if i do then ok i didn't register :P

NP, I see that you have a link repository. Also, when is this place considered "full"? I want to start drawing my maps, but I cannot.

NP, I see that you have a link repository. Also, when is this place considered "full"? I want to start drawing my maps, but I cannot.

You can draw a map of your own nation if you want, its just regional maps I'm not keen on. Also, not maps depicting the rest of the world again because people seem to think this is part of an "Earth". If you do want to have other earth territory, please mark it as completely separate from your EA territory.

Finally, it's full when its full!

You can draw a map of your own nation if you want, its just regional maps I'm not keen on. Also, not maps depicting the rest of the world again because people seem to think this is part of an "Earth". If you do want to have other earth territory, please mark it as completely separate from your EA territory.

Finally, it's full when its full!

Wait, what if our territory goes off the map?

Errr..., difficult issue. Basically, because that extends the region, and also because it extends it into Asia, making it like a world map. If you absolutely have to, we're talking life or death here, please only mark out your borders as though the remainder beyond your border is the sea., thus leaving no more land. Also, not claiming the rest of the world would be nice. Try and keep yourselves roughly sized to an average EA nation out of fairness.

Actually, that seems allright, as long as it all makes sense to you.

Errr..., difficult issue. Basically, because that extends the region, and also because it extends it into Asia, making it like a world map. If you absolutely have to, we're talking life or death here, please only mark out your borders as though the remainder beyond your border is the sea., thus leaving no more land. Also, not claiming the rest of the world would be nice. Try and keep yourselves roughly sized to an average EA nation out of fairness.

Actually, that seems allright, as long as it all makes sense to you.

Okay, good.

OOC:since stoklovolvi is basically a "mirror" of Russia and then the USSR can we assume that his borders extend to China (did you know that china used to be called Cathee (the ee is pronounced eh)

so if this isn't earth....can we draw an...alternate earth....i would be happy to draw the maps just to give the border nations solice...

IC:

Dear [Leader] of the Banking Republic Of Kenny,

I understand that my father has anonymously left a large sum of money in one of your banks, i have the account number and the key for his safety deposit box as his care taker in this time of need i have been given early inheritence for family affairs. A posse of guards and I will arrive in 3 days in the early morning, please secure a place in you banks so we can conduct this Transaction Discreetly,

thank you,

Her most serene Grace (Grand Duchess)
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/Amelie.jpg

I AM NOT A MIRROR OF RUSSIA! How many times do I have to say that?! In reality, my nation would be a combination of the Soviet Union, Mongolia, and China IN LAND AREA and whatnot, but that's just for my own purposes. We could each keep separate maps...

did you know that china used to be called Cathee (the ee is pronounced eh

To be precise, the Chinese called it Zhong Guo(Literally:Middle Country)

Not yet, but i have the basic idea of where they will be located. Why?

Just working on a map of my country, i was going to modify spain's cities to match yours but its not a big deal at the moment

I AM NOT A MIRROR OF RUSSIA! How many times do I have to say that?! In reality, my nation would be a combination of the Soviet Union, Mongolia, and China IN LAND AREA and whatnot, but that's just for my own purposes. We could each keep separate maps...

Thats what i meant.....I'm just trying not to offend

so if this isn't earth....can we draw an...alternate earth....i would be happy to draw the maps just to give the border nations solice...

I wouldn't let you draw the maps.

Secondly:
No! An alternate Earth is still an earth! The earth mentioned in the descriptor is merely the greater NS Earth, which bears almost no resemblance to our own.

Rewrote the NOP charter.

Now there is a general assembly and council. Anyone can join the council so long as they prove their RPing capability.

Dear [Leader] of the Banking Republic Of Kenny,

I understand that my father has anonymously left a large sum of money in one of your banks, i have the account number and the key for his safety deposit box as his care taker in this time of need i have been given early inheritence for family affairs. A posse of guards and I will arrive in 3 days in the early morning, please secure a place in you banks so we can conduct this Transaction Discreetly,

thank you,

Her most serene Grace (Grand Duchess)
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/Amelie.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/Cookesland/ireland--54.jpg

Official Diplomatic Message


To: Grand Duchess Amelie R. Gaultier
From: President Mark Velo


We must apologize your Grace, but our borders with Surailia are still closed to all things excluding trade. Sorry for this inconvienience.

P.S. Our condolences at the death of you late father

Sincerly Yours,

Mark Velo
Mark Velo
President of The Kennyian Republic

I'm launching a massive assualt on commies in my nation. linky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=548070)

OOC: not dead, still alive...just not kicking

IC:

Dear President Velo,

Please return the contents of my fathers account. This is unacceptable.

I'm launching a massive assualt on commies in my nation. linky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=548070)
How easy is travel in and out of the country for say a No Taxes citizen, or a citizen of some other Europa Atlantica country? And is private ownership of weapons allowed in Binaria?

OOC: Pictavia is essentially protecting her economic interests here as the country is already attempting to avoid economic crisis as you will see here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=548096) The fall of what is undoubtedly a major source of international revenue for Pictavia would be unacceptable. Also, since commniqués are usually SIC unless declared otherwise, presume this is a comment regarding the breakdown in ----Kenny----/Surailian relations.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/ImperialSealUpload.png
Imperial Communiqué

To The United States of Surailia:
Should Surailia once-again threaten ----Kenny---- with military action, New Pictavia will indeed intervene on the behalf of the defender. The efforts of Surailia to destabilize the region through rash and aggressive actions has not gone unnoticed, and Pictavia will ensure the survival of what is primarily a peaceful and successful state.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/Gaius.jpg
Regards,
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/Signature.png
Gaius Kadesh, Consul of New Pictavia,
Councillor of The Silver Imperium.

OOC: not its not, its an attack on someone you don't like, if you want to stop military action tell him to give me back my money...jeeze

IC:
Official statement From The Imperial Council

We, the royal families of Surailia do not share the same interests as our incapacitated ruler, His imperial Majesty chose to take an international view on the Straights but as anyone with a map may see We do not need the Straights to conduct trade. We have no need to continue hostilities towards the Banking Republic.

As for her Most Serene Grace's accounts we have no opinon on weather or not she retrieves her Accounts contents.


All the best, The house of royals

How easy is travel in and out of the country for say a No Taxes citizen, or a citizen of some other Europa Atlantica country? And is private ownership of weapons allowed in Binaria?


Since your not a communist country, fairly easily. And yes they can have weapons.

OOC: not its not, its an attack on someone you don't like, if you want to stop military action tell him to give me back my money...jeeze

Erm, no, if I want to stop your military action then I'll send forces. Please stop spamming my inbox with irrelevant comments; as I said you cannot potentially destabilize the region without expecting consequences. ----Kenny---- has just begun building a military, however it is still small so if Surailia continues to threaten a state because it thinks it is defenseless, I'd ask you to reconsider.

Erm, no, if I want to stop your military action then I'll send forces. Please stop spamming my inbox with irrelevant comments; as I said you cannot potentially destabilize the region without expecting consequences. ----Kenny---- has just begun building a military, however it is still small so if Surailia continues to threaten a state because it thinks it is defenseless, I'd ask you to reconsider.

Fine i don't care, i don't really want to argue with you and i think you are getting the wrong idea from me, although i change what has happened in the past i can tell you that i have learned allot over these past few months and continue to learn. I never officially threatened Kenny and do not plan on invading him at this time, or really ever unless the need arises.

Please, you have to learn to differentiate between OOC and IC. Stop taking any IC responses so damn personally. Every time I release a Pictish communiqué or any sort of opinion, all I get is a hail of snappy telegrams and responses from you.

This region is for IC roleplay in International Incidents: Surailia issuing ultimatums and closing off her borders would hardly go unnoticed. Judging by the amount of times you throw accusations at me via telegram, flaimbaited, flamed and tried to demonize me, perhaps this region isn't simply for you. If you really don't like it, then I am not forcing you to stay.

This is the last time I am going through this, IC and OOC opinions are on many occasions far from the same as I am writing fiction. Also, you are not going to always get what you want as concessions have to be made in RP'ing and as the region and thread starter, my rules are the rules (except of course, over the greater NS rules).

But seriously, if I continue to receive accusations and other aggressive messages in my inbox, or have to continue repeating myself in this thread, I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

OOC:NP i have no more to say, this is done i understand what you are telling me and i will try to resolve the issues as best i can, i really did have good intentions i hope that our relations haven't been damaged beyond repair.

To the banking republic of ---Kenny---
CC:President Velo

An invitation.

To Discuss issues between our nations and for tea in the Home of His Royal Highness' Alexander III Of Aunis' palace in Toulouse.

OOC: Kenny TG me

Hmm... Kenny, don't forget what I offered...
IC:
Communique from Free Republic Of Oily Prata
We send our condolences to your late ruler's death
Joyce Wu
Assistant Junior Vice undersecatary of State
Oily Prata

OOC:not dead....

ICly, I didn't know that.

Didn't Surailia agree to call off the embargo after Kenny told him about the money?

Didn't Surailia agree to call off the embargo after Kenny told him about the money?

Ditto. although i can't find a post reguarding Kenny unfreezing Surailia's accounts.

Didn't Surailia agree to call off the embargo after Kenny told him about the money?

As far as I know, borders are still closed to everything except commercial trade. I.e. they can swap goods at the border but no-one crosses it. And from an IC point of view, since the bank account is anonymous (SIC), it just looks like Surailia is being aggressive and potentially destabilizing the region.

(plus the word is technically bohemianism and that occurs near any university.....for some reason....the more plentiful your universities the more bohemians you have....its funny though because i think its No taxes that covers the actual area of bohemia)

I was looking for the post where Surailia takes it back, but I found this.

Is not. Indie culture is a bit different than Bohemian. Hipsters don't where exclusively black, and write poetry about how the man is pulling them down.

I was looking for the post where Surailia takes it back, but I found this.

Is not. Indie culture is a bit different than Bohemian. Hipsters don't where exclusively black, and write poetry about how the man is pulling them down.

I think you might be confusing bohemians with beatniks.

Indie is a pretty broad term. it really can be interpreted in a few ways i mean Kramer from Seinfeld is very different than Anthony Kedis from the RHCP but both have been called hipsters and have at one point been "indie"

Indie music is a hard idea to get your head around because it varies it can be music that is not mainstream or if it is mainstream mostly low fi or slightly experimental.

Counter Culture is another term that may be used it "umbrellas" all these terms Bohemians where the first to come out of this in modern culture, i mean one may be able to say that the roma were a part of the Counter culture but to avoid being yelled at by y'all i wont go into that.


also, are you sure? im almost certain i agreed to open the borders in exchange for entrance to Kenny?

And NP remember that i have an absolute ruler, and that his bank account was frozen.... if you had a kingdom at your disposal and a large amount of money in a frozen account you wouldn't take advantage....then again i don't know you.....

Well as the situation in my nation continues to deteriorate, it looks as if I won't be involved in many regional events for a while.

I think you might be confusing bohemians with beatniks.

Indie is a pretty broad term. it really can be interpreted in a few ways i mean Kramer from Seinfeld is very different than Anthony Kedis from the RHCP but both have been called hipsters and have at one point been "indie"

Indie music is a hard idea to get your head around because it varies it can be music that is not mainstream or if it is mainstream mostly low fi or slightly experimental.

Counter Culture is another term that may be used it "umbrellas" all these terms Bohemians where the first to come out of this in modern culture, i mean one may be able to say that the roma were a part of the Counter culture but to avoid being yelled at by y'all i wont go into that.


also, are you sure? im almost certain i agreed to open the borders in exchange for entrance to Kenny?

And NP remember that i have an absolute ruler, and that his bank account was frozen.... if you had a kingdom at your disposal and a large amount of money in a frozen account you wouldn't take advantage....then again i don't know you.....

No, Bohemian and Beatnik is the same thing. Indie is more of a Weezer, Interpol, Modest Mouse type thing, only with less people at concerts, because the band that is playing only has about a hundred fans.

Indie culture as it is can have many different shades, but it's usually the bespectacled indie nerd with the vintage, Salvation Army store clothing.

No, Bohemian and Beatnik is the same thing. Indie is more of a Weezer, Interpol, Modest Mouse type thing, only with less people at concerts, because the band that is playing only has about a hundred fans.

Indie culture as it is can have many different shades, but it's usually the bespectacled indie nerd with the vintage, Salvation Army store clothing.

Beatnik and bohemian are 2 different things even thought a beatnik could be considered a bohemian the term "bohemian" no longer refers to the Roma but can describe any person who lives an unconventional artistic life. the French thought that the "gypsies" came from Bohemia (that is now in the Czech Republic) but the term eventually evolved to encompass the many artists that began to inhabit France's poorer places

Indie has evolved in a strange Chernobyl like way you have independent indie or Contract indie (these are my own terms as i dont remeber the real ones)

Contract indies are the kind that listen to interpol and wear their grandma's clothes...from my experience....these people suck...but don't knock it till you try it....but it is a style...and in my opinion kind of conformist to be called indie or indipendant...(i have tried this style and found it just to annoying)

Indiependant indies are, more counter culture. and can also include Punks and Hippies along with the less popular CC the grandma clothes can also fit in here. But really musical arrogance dosent fit in with indiependant indies they are generaly more open to weird shit. The "indies" in this area are the Nerds with that one cool friend that takes them to new york.... then never leaves


Here is a graph to amuse myself

AMERICAN COUNTER CULTURE

The war and cultural revolution due to factors that i dont want to talk about
||
Beatnicks
||
Hippies
|| ||
GBLT(gays) Punk Emo
||
Glam Rockers (puke)
|| ||
Grunge Goth Rave
||
Indies
The Great Beond