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Yanitaria, if you are still becoming a 1984 nation can you make an IC statement so we can get this show in the road

Yes, there is still some 1984ness going on in Yanitaria. Anything in particular you'd like me to say?

Where is hectonia, did he/she just up and leave? I was hoping to discuss a cold war.
Between me and you? sorry about scarcely being active i've been rather busy but i'm still here :D

It's vacation, so I'll be around slightly more now ;)
But in about a week I'll be taking off on vacation. I'll try to get on as much as I can from my future location.

Well I'm still planning the underground to Surailia thingamajig, I think if you are going to oppress your people we should get some wort of statement.....Like you guys are changing governments or a revolution of some sort I don't know I'm still really new here.

Already had one. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=545052)

sorry i knew this existed...i guess i forgot to subscribe :P :(

When I first started out, I subscribed.

Now I just add a short, pointless comment to mask the fact that I am tagging the post, and then just use the search feature to look up my posts.

But when you sign in you get pretty little yellow arrows telling you where someone made a comment....i like it:P

You get that in the search feature too.

I normally just bookmark threads.

Why? (worlds shortest reply)

Why? (worlds shortest reply)
So I can get to them in about 5 seconds.

i do pretty well with the subscriptions, i don't see what is so special about the search system

i do pretty well with the subscriptions, i don't see what is so special about the search system
I don't want to get notified when someone posts and the search takes too long, so I bookmark.

hmm... I don't have it set to notify i just sign in and my CP says x has new stuff in it.


on another note I dont get alot of these abbreviations

i get OOC and IC but what is FT and MT and the other ones!!!!

hmm... I don't have it set to notify i just sign in and my CP says x has new stuff in it.


on another note I dont get alot of these abbreviations

i get OOC and IC but what is FT and MT and the other ones!!!!
FT is future tech, MT is modern tech, PMT is postmodern tech, PT is past tech etc.

PMT is like 20-30 yers into the future(Real ISS,Full steath,Nuclear-bomb-in-a-box, Godrods, My Godkiller MK.1)

isn't PMT and MT just splitting hairs or for that matter can you define modern tech because we didn't have touch technology last year but we do now in the year 2008 I'm sure we will have more PMT tech

There is a blurry line between MT and PMT, and it keeps getting set back further and further into PMT territory, until sometime in the foreseeable future when PMT will become superfluous.

Basically MT is what's available now. Really it means what technology is currently used, nothing else, but most people have a highly liberal view of it.

MT+1 is what's available now, and what's currently being developed.

MT+2 is the result of PMT raping MT and having an ugly, red headed, freckled sin child who get's beaten everyday by his druken stepfather. It's really messed up, and you'll see things that are more FT than anything else, because usually people who play MT+2 (most, not all) don't give two shits about the tech level in the first place.

FT is the stuff that's obviously futuristic, like teleportation. All scientific stuff.

PMT is stuff that isn't currently possible, including some very glitchy FT betas.

PT is something like 1000BCE-1950CE, although it's usually medieval or renaissance/age of exploration stuff.

Kudos to Yanitaria.

thanks that's unbelivably helpful.... But you did kinds loose me in the rapeing of mt by pmt (sry this iphone takes getting used too :Pi dont know how to do caps) but im entertained so you win!

so if we can build it but we dont currently have the tech its ....Pmt?

Maybe, that's where the blurry line is.

Things that are possible are usually being developed, so I would say that something that is impossible to build would be Real MT+2, as opposed the the MT+2 described above.

But off hand, I would say PMT. Like personal space shuttles, PMT because technically it's possible, just not possible with current tech.

Really, MT+2 is anything that is currently possible, plus some things that are not, but don't make too much of a difference. For instance, light powered armour is MT+2.

If you prefer, MT+2 can be thought of as PMT-1

wow...thats aggravating i think that we should remove PMT just cause its stupid its either modern or futuristic

wow...thats aggravating i think that we should remove PMT just cause its stupid its either modern or futuristic

Well, FT involves other planets, and teleportation, and FTL travel. PMT doesn't. So really, it's MT+2 thats superfulous

well it doesn't really matter because this is a consensus based game wars don't happen if you don't agree with it i mean we bump anyone that don't justify his RPs

Technically wars don't happen without consent, but it's like a group of guys playing truth or dare. If you don't do the dare, nobody will respect you.

hmm...i've never played truth or dare with just guys....but i get your point no one wants to play with someone who wont roll with the punches it ruins the ILLUSION

Here we play dare, because there are some things you just don't want to know about the guys sitting next to you.

Here we play dare, because there are some things you just don't want to know about the guys sitting next to you.

There are....[Evil Grin]

I like to think that I am MT/MT+2(You know, fusion and all, and the occasional dabble into massive genetic engineering)

Well as The EA progresses we will make "discoveries" and eventually bring MT into the FT! GOD BLESS THE EUROPEAN CONTINENT

and who says massive genetic engineering isn't occurring right now

Here we play dare, because there are some things you just don't want to know about the guys sitting next to you.

Like How far will they take it if do this, or how good his ABM system really is.

Well as The EA progresses we will make "discoveries" and eventually bring MT into the FT! GOD BLESS THE EUROPEAN CONTINENT

No, it won't. This is For MT. FT and MT/PMT are two totally different worlds.I have FT binara and This Binaria, both of which are completely unreated other than Name and philosphy: If its not us, and it moves, kill it.

Like How far will they take it if do this, or how good his ABM system really is.

ALRIGHT! I ADMIT IT! My ABM system is really a group of twelve year olds with slingshots! Are you satisfied now!?!

well im planning on Evolving surailia... i mean Mt is constantly moving forward PT is the only sure thing RP so.....yeah.....HUGS FOR WORLD LEADERS!

Well as The EA progresses we will make "discoveries" and eventually bring MT into the FT! GOD BLESS THE EUROPEAN CONTINENT

and who says massive genetic engineering isn't occurring right now

Agreed with Binaria. The ships will get a little fast, and the planes a little stealthier. Nothing major.

Unless, of course, a major discovery is made IRL.

Also, @Oily Fusion is typically PMT, I wouldn't put it down as MT+2 even. It's a major thing, after all.

ALRIGHT! I ADMIT IT! My ABM system is really a group of twelve year olds with slingshots! Are you satisfied now!?!

Your not the one who just lost about 80% of your total satelites after trying to destroy an oppoenents ABM sats with a mass ASAT launch from a bunch of cheap satelites...

well hot fusion is MT cold Fusion is FT

what? ABM ASAT? wft?

what? ABM ASAT? wft?

ABM=Anti-Ballistic Missile- refers to any sort of Weapon that is designed ty or disable Ballistic Missiles
ASAT=Anti-Satelite- Any weapon that destroys or disables satelites.

Here are a few sites to Help you understand the way the millitary and weapon systems work:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/index.html- Has information on most modern an future non-classified systems, and basic information on what terms and designations mean.
http://www.fas.org/main/home.jsp

Simmilar to GlobalSecurity.org, but a more indepth look.

well thats swell yanitaria....respond to your requiem thread

well im planning on Evolving surailia... i mean Mt is constantly moving forward PT is the only sure thing RP so.....yeah.....HUGS FOR WORLD LEADERS!

Not really. You could make stuff that was possible in Past Tech but never used.

Also, there are a whole bunch of weird things they had back then. The Byzantines had flame throwers, the egyptians used machinery to cut the blocks used on the pyramids, the greeks (around aristotle's time, the romans weren't even worth mentioning) had a machine that could be hidden in a harbour, that would pick up an enemy ship, shake it, then put a spike through the hull, and let it sink.

America's first submarine was used in the Revolutionary war (no I am not kidding, the 1776 war for independence from Britain. Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submarine))), one medieval king had people in glass bubbles lowered into the water to watch for enemy divers, and the chinese invented a giant water clock for keeping track of the cosmos.

The turks had a torpedo in the middle ages, invented a pump that would not be seen again until 1950, and made a robotic band that played every hour on the hour.

The first steam engine was built in the 1st century CE. The same guy, Heron, invented a steam powered bird that shot across a stage, a water powered bird that chirped realistically, and the first fully Mechanized play (it was Jason and the Argonauts, and it was done pop up book style, powered by wound ropes, sand, and gravity.

I can go on, but my hand is starting to cramp up from typing all day.

Your not the one who just lost about 80% of your total satelites after trying to destroy an oppoenents ABM sats with a mass ASAT launch from a bunch of cheap satelites...

That happened to you?

well thats swell yanitaria....respond to your requiem thread

Done

A useful site for abbreviations is stands4.com (http://www.abbreviations.com/), it's what I use when I don't understand a abbreviation, and it generally works.

Not really. You could make stuff that was possible in Past Tech but never used.

Also, there are a whole bunch of weird things they had back then. The Byzantines had flame throwers, the egyptians used machinery to cut the blocks used on the pyramids, the greeks (around aristotle's time, the romans weren't even worth mentioning) had a machine that could be hidden in a harbour, that would pick up an enemy ship, shake it, then put a spike through the hull, and let it sink.

America's first submarine was used in the Revolutionary war (no I am not kidding, the 1776 war for independence from Britain. Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submarine))), one medieval king had people in glass bubbles lowered into the water to watch for enemy divers, and the chinese invented a giant water clock for keeping track of the cosmos.

The turks had a torpedo in the middle ages, invented a pump that would not be seen again until 1950, and made a robotic band that played every hour on the hour.

The first steam engine was built in the 1st century CE. The same guy, Heron, invented a steam powered bird that shot across a stage, a water powered bird that chirped realistically, and the first fully Mechanized play (it was Jason and the Argonauts, and it was done pop up book style, powered by wound ropes, sand, and gravity.

I can go on, but my hand is starting to cramp up from typing all day.



That happened to you?



Done

Too much History Channel for you!

Too much History Channel for you!

That was actually from a while ago, you see, my Xbox 360 had the RRoD, so I had a month of free time to kill.

k two things

Well some one had to invent it sometime i myself have a plan for war itll be a surprise you will all cry ahahaha (i love me)

2 what the hell i have The RRoD and they wont take it back to fix it what is happening like i threw 500$ out my window basically!!!! HATE MY LIFE :)

Did they say why they won't take it back? Did you do anything to incur the wrath of the Xbox gods (who all look like Indiana Jones or a young Cindy Crawford), like spill soda or mod your xbox?

Oh wow...gone for what, four days? And now the entire world is falling apart.

i know we need you to watch over us or the entire operation falls appart!

No we did nothing to it we send it back and some "assfaced" Microsoft cronies broke a sticker and they wont fix it because said sticker is broken.....saying we opened it and therefore damaged it ourselves....aha (soda i love Americans!)

also go read my thing on that other thread i feel that i did a good job on it

sorry to double post but i need yall to do sumthing for me

Will someone be willing to write me up a military you get 5% of my population and 88.6 billion dollars plus 7.709 Billion for SurailianSecretService

cause im not good at life like that so yeah do it plz!

Before I do so I would very much appreciate you giving me a siggy with a link to your nation in it. Yeah I'm really, really lazy right now.

just click on my name it should have a link to my states "home page" if you are asking about a fact book i don't have one right now i have been compiling maps and thinking up the history.

Also, @Oily Fusion is typically PMT, I wouldn't put it down as MT+2 even. It's a major thing, after all.

Oopsie, I meant fusion bombs. I still use fission.

I was thinking of doing a little 3d modelling. Can anyone suggest a good program? I was thinking autodesk as I have some experience with it.

sorry to double post but i need yall to do sumthing for me

Will someone be willing to write me up a military you get 5% of my population and 88.6 billion dollars plus 7.709 Billion for SurailianSecretService

cause im not good at life like that so yeah do it plz!

Just to let you know, I will respond to that letter from your King when the ViZion Christams Party is over. I can do this for you but I need to know - what percent of the troops in the army, what percent in the navy and what percent in the air force? Marines are redundant. What do you mean by secret service?

oh fusion bombs ahaha. The power of the sun on earth.yeah if we did have the technology i think the world leaders would condemn them to the point of destroying them.

alright, im thinking of the 5% of my population


navy 45%
army 30%
Air force 25%

By secret service i mean Surailia is a technologically advanced Nation it needs researchers and also spy technology- this you may not need to work on.

also i want the best for my (MT! i don't want photon phasers or w/e) troops so if you need more cash i have more for you i can assure....also get a binarian submarine!

oh fusion bombs ahaha. The power of the sun on earth.yeah if we did have the technology i think the world leaders would condemn them to the point of destroying them.

alright, im thinking of the 5% of my population


navy 45%
army 30%
Air force 25%

By secret service i mean Surailia is a technologically advanced Nation it needs researchers and also spy technology- this you may not need to work on.

also i want the best for my (MT! i don't want photon phasers or w/e) troops so if you need more cash i have more for you i can assure....also get a binarian submarine!

OK, 5% is 7.6 million.

25% of that is 1.9 million. Only 25% of those are actual pilots so that is only 475 000 actual pilots.

30% of 7.6 million is 2.28 million. Only half of those are actual troops so that is 1.14 million.

The rest (45%) is 3.42 million. Only a third are actually on ships so that is 1.14 million.

88,600 / 7.6 = approx. $11,657 per person employed by the military. Your army is probably third-world-ish unless you spend practically 800 billion or you drastically cut your troop numbers.

alright make it 3%

88,600 / 7.6 = approx. $11,657 per person employed by the military. Your army is probably third-world-ish unless you spend practically 800 billion or you drastically cut your troop numbers.
And only half of that money will really go towards personnel, so even with 3% in the military your men would be pretty underfunded.

argh well thats my budget go look for yourself on my ns economy this is why i need help i cant figure out the semantics

Oopsie, I meant fusion bombs. I still use fission.

I was thinking of doing a little 3d modelling. Can anyone suggest a good program? I was thinking autodesk as I have some experience with it.

Try going to Tottyart.com (I think that's the url) and ask in the forums.

I swear, it's like being in an artist's utopia there.

Also, Surailia, I'll cut you a good deal on small arms at my shop, and throw in bayonets for free.

As for marines being redundant, I am thinking of cutting out my army regulars entirely. My nation is centered on the Sea of Yanitaria, so it doesn't make sense to have a land based army.

It would, since if No Taxes ever was bored and decided to, say, pop in, then you would be essentially screwed over if you had no army. Then again, you would be screwed anyway. I see your point, though let's say one day I got bored or my leader died and invaded you for the lamest reasons, like I used an emoticon when I wanted to type out "medicine".

The marines would replace the army, so really, they'd be teh army, just with a cooler name.

Marines=Teh sex

Army=Boring

Is anyone still interested in that WW2 RP for the region that we were talking about several days ago?

Marine>Army guy

Air Force special ops guys best!

Cannon fodder >>>> All

I'm still game for the WWII history RP thing.

As am I!

I guess the first thing we need to determine is who the "bad guys" would be and who the "allies" would be. I personally wouldn't mind being at least slightly evil.

Well really the "bad guys" would, as history is written by the winners, be the losers, and therefor the "good guys" would be the ones who would be able to tint history in they're favor, I.E. the winners. Also, I think we should make it more than just two sided, to make things more interesting.

I have a revolution in my nation's history a little while after when WW2 would take place so I wouldn't mind being one of the "losers" so to speak.

I'm thinking of hanging on to a bigger evil nation, and then when we lose, putting it all off on them, like Italy in WWII, being a loser, but not ending up like Germany and Japan. Would you like to be that bigger nation that I put all the blame on after the war, it would give your people a reason to hate mine?

I guess, were you looking for a reason for my people to hate yours? I also think there has been some talk of Stoklomolvi being one of the bigger aggressors in the war, too.

All I know is I want to be evil, and face no repercussions, so I've got to be Italy to someones German.

Well, I could be that nation though I was thinking of being an ally more than anything to the nation who started everything.

Well, most have suggested Stoklomolvi as to being the "evil tinpot dictatorship" who went west and conquered peoples. The Beatus, you could be one of my former allies who turned against me and then re-allied, and No Taxes could be a supporter of the invasion who for SOME odd reason was ABLE to lose, which theoretically would be impossible.

If Binaria and some others worked together I think they could defeat me, I mean I don't have to lose utterly, perhaps my people could just get tired of the war and I could collapse from the inside leading to you and me losing the war.

Well its obvious that me and uiri ie: Benelux are on the allies and stoklomolvi is on the axis

I was planning on this:

Stoklomolvi gains dictator, as already happened
Dictator moves west
Stoklomolvi envelops Surailia and Dutch Benelux
Dictator assassinated by Aleksandr
"Empire" begins to fall apart
Officially disbands empire in 195X

You guys decide what happens to yourselves.

works for me basically, but stok needs to keep a Dictator here under his thumb its hush hush cause we make you stay out of surailia

Hey guys, I'd be okay with being on the losing side. But in my history, I was the Kingdom of Simplicia, an ultra capitalizt, christian monarchy.

What kind of tech would we use? I am willing to make a battle rifle and smg, which I can run through the draft room to ensure that it is possible. I am pretty good with rifles and such ('tis my specialty on the draftroom, although I can't say I am anywhere near Russkya or any of the veterans).

My main question is what year should I set the cut off date for? WW2 tech could feasibly be up until 1950.

I am thinking I could design for my side:

Battle Rifle (or assault rifle)
Carbine (Definitely Automatic)
SMG
Rifle Grenade
Service Pistol

And anything else (mg's, tanks, apc's) we can use preexisting, as they are a bit more involved.

And of course my nation will be selling wheat and fish, since the RL region is the breadbasket of europe. My fluff also includes a lot of steel production.

ok i have a proposed map for this, just bare with me ittl be up in a sec so check back sooooon

Yanitaria, if possible make weapons that are Wehrmacht-ish...like the MG42 and K98 or something...

I was actually going to base them on russian semi-autos for the Battle rifle (or perhaps the Garand, although I would like to give my troops the option of reloading), and the Thompson. They are the superior designs. You don't have to use them, feel free to design your own, or use preexist.

Us BEFORE THE WAR

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/1900Eropa.png

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Us BEFORE THE WAR

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/1900Eropa.png

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phail.

It leaves out future nations that join EA, meaning they can't exist before 1950. That's godmoding.

For instance, Yanitaria didn't have any Anatolian land or greek islands until 1950 exactly.

Furthermore, you didn't even put beatus on the map.

Edit: Did you choose purple for my nation on purpose? Because I look an awful lot like the Byzantine Empire.

The Beatus was present, but leave Spain, Italy, etc. open. Surailia, you have only 150+ million people now. In 1940+ you probably would have had only, say, 5 million. That, my friend, would mean that for every couple dozen square miles you would have one, I repeat, one person. That would be very, very bad. Stoklomolvi probably would have had 500 million or so, and even Yanitaria would have only around 100+ million. No Taxes would have had one billion less, though that wouldn't really matter since it would still be immense. Dutch Benelux wouldn't even exist, though we could say it stayed at a stable 10 million for a long time.

w.e i'm tired we can chat this up l8ter

we need a chat service so this can move faster

Workitty.

I was thinking of a way to realistically weaken No Taxes. In a sort of perverted reverse operation Barrabosa, NT sends a large amount of Soldiers to me, trying to gain a foothold in the north sea. It bogs down and are destroyed, and NT is weakened enough for the allies to take out of the war.

Revamped map
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/zekosan/OilysEAmap.png

Revamped map
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/zekosan/OilysEAmap.png

I'd also have to say no.

Pictavia is in the north of the british isles, and the area you have marked for them is.

You've taken land from Binaria and gave it to No Taxes.

1940's Yanitaria didn't have anyland on Anatolia. Also it would have been called Simplicia.

What's wrong with using the current map, minus my Anatolian Claims?

well my proposition is that after we the war all the states are dissolved back to our normal size and other states emerge from the older empires like what happens in RL

No Taxes needs to be roughly the same size and shape it is now. I don't want a bunch of territory in Italy and Poland and stuff. It should basically look like the Austro-Hungarian Empire. As for populations I would think they would be about half of what they are now.

who sys they cant be double?

i mean ww2 the world lost ~100 million people (im to lazy to look it up but from what i remember Soviet union and Germany lost like 50 million and japan lost 2 cities and Britain lost 20 million and ......lots of people....6 million jews.....1 million gays communists and POWs so our populations could all be double and we could have lost a few billion people (this is NS standards of course)

Double population = EPIC EPIC FAIL.

No Taxes would near 10 billion. TEN BILLION. Binaria would as well, and you wouldn't even be at 500 MILLION. That just won't work.

Remember that's NS standards in RL i would have probably the same population as canada

well ns is a little inflated people wise there are well over 100 billion people in NS it would be dumb to say thats the real #

33,137,300 people...that's less than you have now.

Us BEFORE THE WAR

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/1900Eropa.png

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Not ok, i'm none existent. if you gave me Crete and the southern peninsula of greece(original hectonia) then i'd be happy. It could all kick off due to tensions between hectonia and yanitari.

I think that the bad guys should have more land than they have now, so that the good guys will get land for winning. Like the bad guys would have colonies near allied nations, and after the war the allied nations would have that land, and incorporate it into theirs.

i think everyone should have more land and that when the war ends there is a nuclear no mans land

i think everyone should have more land and that when the war ends there is a nuclear no mans land
No we are not having a nuclear war.

I could start out with more land to the south, like where Hectonia is and a little more to the west and north and then lose that.

and i think we the conflict can be originally between the empire of Surailia-Benelux(?)(and yes i am still saying that we be a huge empire) and stoklomolvi the rest of Europe is pulled in by treaties and alliances of years past.

(as for the people who join us later they will all be within the huge empires and will come out after the war)

(as for the people who join us later they will all be within the huge empires and will come out after the war)

No, because that would place a restriction on their history. Some people spend hours writing detailed history books on their nations, so I am against any of us having any more land than we do now.

well then we cant do this war until the region fills up...which isnt happening

No, because that would place a restriction on their history. Some people spend hours writing detailed history books on their nations, so I am against any of us having any more land than we do now.

What if we agree with each other on getting and giving land, say I had a colony that is now part of your nation, you won it in the war, that way the land is accounted for by your claim, and it affects no one who claims later.

@ Suailia: We can have a plenty big war using the land already claimed.

@Beatus: That would work fine for the people that are already here.

but its unrealistic to have this huge land gap in the middle on Europe

They're neutral, they don't get involved.

Still its unrealistic that stock takes me over from so far away and not take the land in the middle

i don't think that is very realistic either

Still its unrealistic that stock takes me over from so far away and not take the land in the middle

Maybe he has a colony in a nearby nation, that come to your aid, and takes his colony after the war.

"By 1950, many people had lost their faith in christianity. The Monarchs invaded Turkey and Greece that same year, taking a few Islands, and most of northern Turkey before they stopped, due to protests and riots at home."- Yanitaria's wiki
I'm seeing that as a cause for front opening up within the balkans, Simplicia invades balkan peninsula due to unrest at home(?). sweeping through smaller nations, hits hectonia* and due to most of her military somewhat thinly spread comes to a crawling pace. No taxes(?), seeing her dominace within the region underthreat resorts to military action supplying hectonian miltary with equipment and funding various allainces/ treaties /events cause other nations to get involved.
I want to see it more as a cluster f*ck reminisent of wwI were their lines between good and evil are alot less clear.

*original Hectonia consists of southern greece and crete.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj261/hectonia/hectonia.jpg

We can just the treat the empty land in between as sparsely settled mostly agricultural land. Like Yanitaria said the current land claims are easily big enough for a war, especially since Europe isn't really that big. For a nation of a billion it wouldn't be too hard to project troops across the current empty land.

fine, i still think it would be easier to extend the borders a bit

Surailia, unless you were constantly bombed and total warred upon you would have less population than you would now. Right now, you have around 150 million people. Back then, the most you could have is 160+ million. Based of NS statistics, you wouldn't even exist. If you had a huge empire, then your population density would be that of Antarctica.

well I'm saying the same thing as no taxes is. That we treat the land as sparsely inhabited (not unlike Russia) ....great i lost my train of thought....damn ipod

I would agree to it being sparsely inhabited, with no fighting happening over it. We wouldn't even need to march over it, ships are faster.

well reaching the Capital is faster by foot/tank Or by plane its in the middle of France


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and i think we the conflict can be originally between the empire of Surailia-Benelux(?)(and yes i am still saying that we be a huge empire) and stoklomolvi the rest of Europe is pulled in by treaties and alliances of years past.

(as for the people who join us later they will all be within the huge empires and will come out after the war)

Sorry, but I have my history in stone as far as I am concerned. Benelux is invaded 1940-1945, saved D-Day style. Please keep Benelux separate except from all other countries except from 1581 to 1795 when we are part of No Taxes and the 1940-45 occupation by Stokmolvi. Also keep present borders the same throughout history. Keep in mind No Taxes has only Southern Benelux (Belgium and Luxembourg).

Most likely candidate to liberate Benelux is Miamoria and I am meeting with him IRL and we will also discuss Miamoria's government. He may confirm this but this is what we established for the history, Miamoria will most likely confirm.

Instead of the House of Stuart ruling after the Tudors it is the House of Malton (No real such house existed IRL BTW).

Foggy parts are wars between Scotland and England and conquering of Ireland.

Yes, but by then you don't need to march over the sovereign land of the unclaimed territories.

*Walk up to podium*

Miamoria's a Pedophile,That is all

JK

Here.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/zekosan/OilysEAmap.png

Applause applause!

Argh......you guys just dont want be making any expansion there do ya

He is using my old map, i really regret proposing this...as i always seem to

That appears to be the same map you posted earlier and once again No Taxes is incredibly distorted from how it should be.

Yes, it is horribley distorted. He is under control of my southern territory!.

Really? It looks fine to me! No Taxes doesn't go into Denmark, Binaria has its current claims, Surailia has more of France, Stoklomolvi is larger, Yanitaria is smaller, No Taxes is larger, The Beatus is smaller, and it looks well!

OOC:

We the Surailian empire request That you the Gulf Oceana, Peacefully Turn over the Oceanic Colony To The Surailian African Authority and we will not take more extraordinary measures. WE hope that this will be accepted we do not wish to fight you. You have 24 hours.

is this too harsh? how can i improve it? i need his territory though

Sounds about right. make sure you have the force to back it up.

i do. he is minuscule do u think anyone would fight with him?

Yes.

Not because they care, but because they are bored.

But really, it's a maybe. Depends on how busy everyone is. I suggest stirring up some politics to distract everyone.

How would i go about with the politics?

Feeling stupid right now...Stupid photobucket
REAL map 2
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/zekosan/OilysEAmap2.png

How would i go about with the politics?

Well, I assume you are talking about the scramble for africa thread (I was gonna join an hour ago, but all the lands where taken).

Start up a Pan-African UN type deal. That'll keep everyone busy.

1.care to elaborate

2.I'm allied with Kirav and Shansekia (who is allied with Scandinavia) and no taxes is neutral to me as far as i can tell and you are welcome to help me wage war on them

Really? It looks fine to me! No Taxes doesn't go into Denmark, Binaria has its current claims, Surailia has more of France, Stoklomolvi is larger, Yanitaria is smaller, No Taxes is larger, The Beatus is smaller, and it looks well!

Wrong map. my bad.

1.care to elaborate

2.I'm allied with Kirav and Shansekia (who is allied with Scandinavia) and no taxes is neutral to me as far as i can tell and you are welcome to help me wage war on them

Tell everyone that you want to make a Pan-African League, to discuss international troubles, and make sure you deliberately make things over complicated.

And I'd be willing to help in exchange for a cut of the lands. Just enough to launch further forays into other peoples turf. I especially have my eye on the TSS Algerian communes.

Good Cause i want Tunaisia!

What would peoples reactions be if I Cut off all non-Binairan ships going into and out of the Baltic Sea?

EDIT:Although, I realize it would make more sense to do this only when more nations ring the Baltic Sea.

what are your motives?

and your not cutting off much...just that one guy and i'm sure land trading would still work

what are your motives?

and your not cutting off much...just that one guy and i'm sure land trading would still work...

I would dislike it, but it's also pretty pointless.

What if there was a compromise? I could sell you my Ajax SLDS DPR's cheap, and you could control the strait if anyone challenges you.

Surailia, tell me when you are gonna start preparing for war. I'll commit the same amount of troops as you. Undoubtably, my troops are some of the best trained in the region, since my economic boom, because I have only 4 million, but spend over 2trillion on the military.

Actualy, the Northsea is laden with Oil, and Natural Gas and other resources.

What would peoples reactions be if I Cut off all non-Binairan ships going into and out of the Baltic Sea?

EDIT:Although, I realize it would make more sense to do this only when more nations ring the Baltic Sea.

I'd be a little miffed, but it wouldn't really make a big difference to me. You'd just be protecting me from all those big, bad things in the world out there :)

good, did you look at the map who are our adversaries?

im sending half my army for this but its most likely that we will have them hand over the colony like their lunch money that will make me famous in the region, then we look at Spanish Algiers its mostly desert from my colony but lucky for us WE are just across the Mediterranean from them, You yanitaria are in charge of creating the numbers for my army...because i don't get how that works.

I would dislike it, but it's also pretty pointless.

What if there was a compromise? I could sell you my Ajax SLDS DPR's cheap, and you could control the strait if anyone challenges you.

Surailia, tell me when you are gonna start preparing for war. I'll commit the same amount of troops as you. Undoubtably, my troops are some of the best trained in the region, since my economic boom, because I have only 4 million, but spend over 2trillion on the military.

Why would I need them? I control both sides of it, the islands that seperate them and the straits are 4km wide at the narrowest, meaning I could place enough ships at the wide points and block all entry and exit with out having to mine them. If I really wanted to, I could probably have a a large tarriff on all ships comin gthrough the straits.

good, did you look at the map who are our adversaries?

im sending half my army for this but its most likely that we will have them hand over the colony like their lunch money that will make me famous in the region, then we look at Spanish Algiers its mostly desert from my colony but lucky for us WE are just across the Mediterranean from them, You yanitaria are in charge of creating the numbers for my army...because i don't get how that works.

I saw them. Fucking tiny. This'll be a piece of cake.... a piece of cwom cake, to quote a very backwards priest.

Before you get aggressive, let me give you a military. I am also gonna tweak my own (The marines are the same size as the army. I am gonna eliminate most of the army, and redistribute troops to my other services).

Well would you do that i mean we cant stop you, but none of us are suffering from it I'm quite comfortable at the moment...without any trade in the north

Going against NS style of " We have everything we need in our homeland" of resources. How about we go with the resource lay out of RL europe?

oh ahah no thats not what i meant i have colonies that gives us most everything we need that far north....what could i possibly need up there that i don't already have?

oh ahah no thats not what i meant i have colonies that gives us most everything we need that far north....what could i possibly need up there that i don't already have?

Well, if your colonies are up north, how do you expect to get the resources from there to your homeland?

my colony is in Africa and the Caribbean....what don't they have that you have?

my colony is in Africa and the Caribbean....what don't they have that you have?

Ice, vikings, and fjords.

What every respectable nation should have. :D

Ahaha

Well the have sun slaves and pirates...trump vikings

Oil,Natural Gas,Cod,Nordicness>Your stuff

still we will live sans trade from Torvque he may not and can ask for our aid but other than that ...sucks

Oil,Natural Gas,Cod,Nordicness>Your stuff

we also have many important minerals and ores.

still we will live sans trade from Torvque he may not and can ask for our aid but other than that ...sucks

:( you wound me with your harsh words.

But really the embargo wouldn't have a big effect on me. I can still trade with my southern neighbors across the ocean. For Oily Prata though, that might be a bit more difficult because he's got further to go.

Well, I suppose he could just go OVER Binaria, therefore completely eliminating the problem.

point is that Trade from Torvque wont kill my economy i will just look elsewhere


or Oily can make a canal....its expensive but less so then all the gas he'd need to bypass binaria forever


I'm not trading with him anyways....this is silly i'm going to bed, night

still we will live sans trade from Torvque he may not and can ask for our aid but other than that ...sucks

yes, but what's stoping my from Annexing the Straits of Gibaltaur?(What connects the medatrerrian sea with the Atlantic), or any other vital choke point and blockcading it? Sure you can go over land, but compare a signle train load to a signle cargo ship. It will take you longer, be more expensive, increase rail congestion, and the wear and tear on your rails and highways will increase by an order of mangitude.

:( you wound me with your harsh words.

But really the embargo wouldn't have a big effect on me. I can still trade with my southern neighbors across the ocean. For Oily Prata though, that might be a bit more difficult because he's got further to go.

Well, I suppose he could just go OVER Binaria, therefore completely eliminating the problem.

As in around it and use his Atlantic ports, or through my airspace?

As in around it and use his Atlantic ports, or through my airspace?

I was talking around. The long way. The difference in time and distance wouldn't be that much. The only problem I can think of is the ice, especially when it gets around this time of year...

well you cant annex it Pictavia wont let you... but i still have the Atlantic...its just a different port

Remember kids if its got magnitude and direction its a VECTOR!

well you cant annex it Pictavia wont let you... but i still have the Atlantic...its just a different port

My land claim is small compared to some of the others. I don't go over the limit. He won't let you because you wanted a massive hunk of useable land. Most of my northern half is useless for farming.

i think a hunk of land far from your original plot counts

So, hypothetically, I could expand southward over the sea, just get a little extra land?

i think a hunk of land far from your original plot counts

It wouldn't be a hunk of it. More like 10-60 km on either side of the straits. so In actuality it would be a releatively small pice of land.

Wait, who's blockading me? What's happening?

Wait, who's blockading me? What's happening?

Binaria's hypothetically blocking off the northern sea (Baltic?) and we're discussing the various possible courses of action. Of course, nobody's talked about actually attacking him, and I'm certainly not going to be the first, with my 56 million man nation :p

Edit: Binaria, I'm almost positive I'm misspelling your name. How do you spell it?

are you planing on this binaria?

Simple. I bypass binaria's blockade, going over the north sea, above NP, before circling down to the rest of ya. I guess It's time to use airships now.
But if Binaria really blockades the baltic, I will start expanding my claim into the north sea.

EDIT:Quick map I threw together in paint.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/zekosan/EAPoliticalMapMkXII.png

The white striped area is what I think BInaria's blockading. The Pink lines would be my new lines(Roughly,of course). Torvque can use my lines for trade, for a price...

So, hypothetically, I could expand southward over the sea, just get a little extra land?

Others might have eyes on that land, too, you might want to be "careful" with your decision making.

Others might have eyes on that land, too, you might want to be "careful" with your decision making.

Now now, I was just saying a little. A little patch of land with a sea border is all I'd want. Hypothetically.

Dear Sirs/and Ladies of Eropa Atlantica I recommend that we agree that by a point we are in international waters

Binaria, why exactly do you want to restrict those waters?

Also NP wouldn't let you have the strait of Gibraltar because it's a colony, and those aren't kosher.

Plus, you obviously want to restrict trade in the region, so of course he won't let you.

well if he is RPing the Trade blockade then its kosher but its kinda douche-y

Torvque, I might, hypothetically have a few Icebreakers, that, remember this is strictly hypothetical, I might not be using, that might be useful to you, for that trade issue you, hypothetically, might be facing.

Torvque, I might, hypothetically have a few Icebreakers, that, remember this is strictly hypothetical, I might not be using, that might be useful to you, for that trade issue you, hypothetically, might be facing.

I would, hypothetically, be interested.

I would, hypothetically, be interested.

Yanitaria has a large ship building industry, and if anything happens, we can provide you with ice breakers cheaply. NP, if he isn't dead, will most likely allow you a slice of than to the North Seas.

No taxes if you are listening i agree you may have a piece

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/Ghana_regions_named.png
your green

(And Yanitaria, we just acquired a shi*load of land so if u wana get in on it you get first dibbs)

I would, hypothetically, be interested.

Well then, hypothetically, the price for, say three Icebreakers of the hypothetical Huron Class, would be around $35,000,000, hypothetically speaking of course, that would include the discount we would give you for being such close friends as you have been, hypothetically, for the past few centuries.

No taxes if you are listening i agree you may have a piece

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/Ghana_regions_named.png
your green

(And Yanitaria, we just acquired a shi*load of land so if u wana get in on it you get first dibbs)

Alright, what land is available? Should I post in the thread.

I think he's just busy. Probably away on vacation or something.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/585px-Blank_Map-Africa_svg2-6-4.png

If you want some there it is (it'll be small though but at least you'll get a foot hold in the region)

About that resources argument, what of people who extend off the map, like me and The Beatus? Presumably we would both have footholds in another area...

And Surailia, mind if I "nab" a small piece of Africa off you?

possibly what does surailia get of it?

Well, 2 trillion dollars...

Actually I'm planning on invading the Spanish Algiers Everyone who helps gets a portion all i want is Tunisia and the coast

Shall we all make an alliance

Me
No Taxes
Yanitaria
Stoklomolvi
etc... :P

The EURO-AFRIKKAN Alliance

But 2 Trillion dollars.....that buys alot of.... Everything

To Surailia,

We would, also, like a very small piece Africa from you, we will offer you an export deal on oil from our nation, of which we have a lot. All we ask for is .27 sq. miles of land, preferably square shaped, and land locked.

That.... Can be arranged. wait what does my nation need oil for other than for cars?

That.... Can be arranged. wait what does my nation need oil for other than for cars?

Plastics? Oil is a major ingredient, and half your nation is probably made out of it.

Russia has huge oil and natural gas reserves IRL, but that's a matter for another day. About the purchase, 2 trillion for a fifty mile long strip of land along the coast, three miles wide. A deal to you?

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/Ghana_regions_named-1.png
That is the claim once i officially have it annexed in and no taxes gets his half you will get what is in the red

stok i don't own that land yet, i have yet to annex it from a sad small weak nation.

Works for us! 2 trillion will be wired to you once we reach the location. We will also be placing a 2% tariff on items exported, but none on items imported. However, with this tariff in place you can be assured that no items will be misplaced. There will be numerous sixty story tall factories along the shore, but appropriate safety protocols have been enacted.

So, what about my land?

We the Surailian empire request That you the Gulf Oceana, Peacefully Turn over the west portion of your territory To The Surailian African Authority and the North and Volta Region to the No Taxes Government and a Strip 50 Miles by 3 miles to The Communist Dominion of Stoklomolvi. we wish not to take more extraordinary measures. WE hope that this will be accepted we do not wish to fight you. You have 24 hours.

This is my letter to the oceanic Gov. is it Proper?

Beatus you and Yanitaria are Helping me acquire Tunisia and the Algiers....and your claim is too small to show up on a map.....

We the Surailian empire request That you the Gulf Oceana, Peacefully Turn over the west portion of your territory To The Surailian African Authority and the North and Volta Region to the No Taxes Government and a Strip 50 Miles by 3 miles to The Communist Dominion of Stoklomolvi. we wish not to take more extraordinary measures. WE hope that this will be accepted we do not wish to fight you. You have 24 hours.

This is my letter to the oceanic Gov. is it Proper?

Beatus you and Yanitaria are Helping me acquire Tunisia and the Algiers....and your claim is too small to show up on a map.....

Helping how?

Binaria, why exactly do you want to restrict those waters?

Also NP wouldn't let you have the strait of Gibraltar because it's a colony, and those aren't kosher.

Plus, you obviously want to restrict trade in the region, so of course he won't let you.

It was a hypothectical situation only. It may become an actual one at a later time. Depending on who takes up the remaining land in the Baltic Sea.

beatus, Army power

That kind of help I'm good with.

Good What power can you Rally up? and I'm sure you can have more than .27 sq miles

Good What power can you Rally up? and I'm sure you can have more than .27 sq miles

Greed leads to defeat, and I don't want anymore than that, just a nice summer home for some friends of the Government, thats all. I could rally say, 100,000 infantry troops, and 1,000 tanks.

I don't consider this greed, merely a better life for my people Thats more than enough, if you can have them sent to "Mali" that would be good and make sure they are Sand capable

I don't consider this greed, merely a better life for my people Thats more than enough, if you can have them sent to "Mali" that would be good and make sure they are Sand capable

Sand capable? I don't know what you mean by that?

oh, well they have to cross a desert ...make sure that they can....case there are some tanks that cant....

Yanitaria can send 100,000 marines, and 10,000 ST-31K1 Titans (my uber good tank) We simply want everything on the coastal side of the Atlas mountains in Algeria. However, we will take what ever nobody else wants. Of course, military access will be granted to the Euro-Afrikan alliance, and no tariffs will be levied on allies.

As for the territory in Gulf Oceana, I'd like a small strip about twice the size of Stoklomolvi's, but on the opposite side of the coast.

lets not count our Chicks before they hatch gentlemen, i can assure you you will be compensated.

Yanitaria i need my Army

And we need a letter of consent to attack the 2 nations

Are we happy with the name Euro-Afrikaan?

We ready to get this started.

Ok, who? Do we attack first?

I'm still not clear on who we are attacking? Or where, other than in Africa.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/585px-Blank_Map-Africa_svg2-6-4.png

You are attacking the black

we are going to ask that they just give us the Aqua but if that doesn't go down right me and no taxes are carpet bombing them

I don't necessarily want to be committed to a full alliance, I just want to help out and thus gain some land. What support I can give you without calling in more forces is 357 Ships in the Area, including roughly 50 Supercarriers, and roughly 8500 Fighters/Bombers. We hopefully shouldn't need too many land forces and I have roughly several hundred thousand currently stationed in Africa, but I can bring in more men and planes if necessary.

alright

so can i post my letter safely.....

Shall we come by air or by sea?

air for the black area, sea for the aqua

Thanks....Surailia will remember your Contributions

We wish you all good luck with your conquests.

What is the black sea and what is the aqua, and who exactly are we attacking apart from Gulf Oceana?

Spanish Algiers is the only other one

Spanish Algiers is the only other one
Why exactly are we attacking them?

Ummm i want Tunisia .... and...yanitaria says he wants it....is it bad to just declare war....

What do you think?

I do think the Giant "Warning" in Red letters looks a tad... unprofessional.

I just want .27 sq miles of land in Africa.

it is but I'm afraid the poor guy is going to not see it......i'm cutting him some slack

We are not attacking Spanish Algeria yet. I am still developing NS worthy weapons that are fully desert capable.

I need a couple days. Go ahead and attack Gulf Oceana though.

yea...

Also....have u done anything on my army? :D

yea...

Also....have u done anything on my army? :D

I am working on the IFV's and SLT's. I am gonna outfit your army (which will be small, but highly trained, in accordance with Yanitarian Doctrine) with the best weapons Yanitaria has for free. But that'll eat up your military aid for the next few years.

We are not attacking Spanish Algeria yet. I am still developing NS worthy weapons that are fully desert capable.

I need a couple days. Go ahead and attack Gulf Oceana though.
When you do let me know, I am not much of weapons designer myself and thus am willing to give you large amounts of cash for good weapons, particularly vehicles.

RL years or NS years?

and i would never ask for assistance unless they were attacking the homeland.

I got Jaredcohenia in exchange for say, a port town or so in Carlos? Of course, I will not go to war with him should you wish for me to take my own advice.

...i dont understand?

From french fries to hypothetical blockades to the invasion of africa all in one day?
I will not be participating in the invasion but I will send a CVN squadron or two to help you out if things go south. Until then I am officially neutral. Where will this invasion be taking place?(Thread)

...i dont understand?

Ever heard of quid pro quo? If you don't want to give me territory I will butt out. If you are willing I will hold off Jaredcohenia.

thanks there is a scary ass guy there

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=546210

And i'm sure we can award you something

Ever heard of quid pro quo? If you don't want to give me territory I will butt out. If you are willing I will hold off Jaredcohenia.
If you don't mind my asking, how exactly do you plan to hold off Jaredcohenia and Praetonia?

If you don't mind my asking, how exactly do you plan to hold off Jaredcohenia and Praetonia?

Oh, see that was the catch. I was only planning on Jaredcohenia. I was kind of hoping you guys would be able to handle Praetonia without Jared.

i don't know...whats his man power?

If Praetonia does any overposturing, I may station my troops on your border Suralia. BUt that's gonna cost you....

EDIT: No, no. No war. I will not fight said war. If anyone needs evac, I will be off the coast.

I'd think about that...i think its a little cruel to blackmail me

Oh, see that was the catch. I was only planning on Jaredcohenia. I was kind of hoping you guys would be able to handle Praetonia without Jared.

Srcatch that, Jared is 6+ billion and Praeton is 7+ billion. I'm staying out of this. Sorry. I will however state that you have soveriegnity and that unless he declares war on anyone of your allies or yourself you should stay out of it. As I should have, ironically.

yeah its off he is to powerful for us.

What if we bribed Jared? I think between No Taxes and Me, we can come up with three trillion easy.

Just checked it. Between our government wastes and a modest donation from the military budgets, we'd easily hit 2.5-3trillion dollars.

Also, No Taxes, I'll let you know when my vehicles are ready.

for the money that it will cost both of you to buy that peice of land instead we will bribe him with it.

would you, i don't know what i'm spending YANITARIA :D jk its all good

I can stick in 4.5 trillion alone, if you most desperately need it.

Epic win.

http://www.picsoap.com/Thumbs/a53e81c30cb94e06b778.gif

stok that made my day...which is kinda sad...(fucking darian)

how did you make all this extra money?

Stok is rich, that's how.

Hell, if we raised 5 trillion, we could just buy Spanish Algeria, and Gulf oceana (I say five trillion so that way non of use have to spend all the money we can)

yeah well that seems to happen when your people have no rights