NationStates Jolt Archive

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"On a secluded corner of the great NS Earth rests the lands of Europa Atlantica, whose coasts, rivers and mountains lie alike to Europe. Her peoples however, differ greatly."

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Abstract/Preamble:
Essentially a mirror of Europe and the North Atlantic, "Europa Atlantica" is a relatively new region for nations of International Incidents. Nations who join "Europa Atlantica" will be required to be active in the region and in the greater II forum (including regional RP's).

Aims:
The primary purpose of the region is to define the borders of our neighbours, provide a geographical and historical homeland and maintain the regional aspect of NS in role play, ensuring all members are active in II.

Rules:

If you want to join, post an application in this thread. Should you be accepted, the regional password will be telegrammed to you and the map updated as soon as possible.

Your nation must have valid IC reasons for inhabiting Europa Atlantica as an alternate Europe, such as European ancestry or racial migration.

As of recently, only relatively experienced players will be admitted due to an influx of newbies, in the hope of attracting some larger and veteran RP'ers to balance the region out. EA is not a newb farm, and will not admit newbies on grounds of trial RP's either.

No puppets or colonies of nations out with EA will be admitted, unless said nation is completely independent of the player's other state. EA is a region for your primary nation, not a puppet-farm.

Be active in the region, and in II! Inform myself if you are going to be absent.

You cannot own, say, half the map. Simple as that. Claim the minimum territory you require for your homeland.

Population is not an issue: Due to the population of NS Earth, do not worry about gross overpopulation. We're ignoring this fact and allowing individual players to decide by how much their territory expands by upon entry.

Just because this is an alternate Europe, does not mean this region is part of an independent Earth. It is part of the main NS Earth, simple as that.

Currently, as the region is still in infancy, independent maps depicting the greater region are disallowed, This is only temporary to provide newcomers with the greatest degree of accuracy.

Lastly for now, just post ONE claim for land or ONE post if you have a territorial dispute. Any more than that and I'll ignore it completely. A simple telegram to myself would be fine too. Nay spam!

Links of Interest:

Atlantican Political Map (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/EuropaAtlanticaPoliticalVI.png)
Europa Atlantican Forums (http://z15.invisionfree.com/Europa_Atlantica/index.php?)
Please do not attempt to register until you have been approved in this thread. When signing-up, use your nation's title (Example: Nova Pictavia) or RP'ing name (New Pictavia) as your username.
Please Note: All IC events still belong in International Incidents.

The small-print:
The regional founder (Myself) reserves the right of admitting and exiling whoever they see fit to and from the region, and have the final word on all regional IC and OOC issues except over the Mods of course. The thread itself has already been cleared by the Mods as part of a new ruling, and is perfectly in-line concerning the laws on alternate history threads. In short- you have nothing to worry about except me!

[OOC: Does this thread technically "include" the rest of Asia, since Stoklomolvi extends to the Pacific?]

[ooc: can puppets join?]

Stok: No, Its really just intended for nations included within the North Atlantic-Eurosphere, but all the same It'd be great if you joined and claimed territory.

RoA: No, well, maybe... If the puppet is regionally active plus has a regular presence in International Incidents then I don't see why not. Although, since Echo is in the North Atlantic why not move her over? If you want to keep your fictional landmass then it could be placed just outside the current map...

Bare in mind that EA is intended for future regional RP's based in II, and so puppets would be required to be active throughout.

Stok: No, Its really just intended for nations included within the North Atlantic-Eurosphere, but all the same It'd be great if you joined and claimed territory.

RoA: No, well, maybe... If the puppet is regionally active plus has a regular presence in International Incidents then I don't see why not. Although, since Echo is in the North Atlantic why not move her over? If you want to keep your fictional landmass then it could be placed just outside the current map...

Bare in mind that EA is intended for future regional RP's based in II, and so puppets would be required to be active throughout.

ooc: OK, sounds good. I (Echo) call Spain and Portugal. (If we can do that, or what not, I'm not sure, but no matter what I want some holding's in Spain) But don't just translate from my map. I have plans to change my map once again. I can get you the basic coastlines right now, but a full map might take a day or so.

Also, how do the geo politics of this Europa work? Clean Slate, or what?

[OOC: If I were to claim all the land that I currently declare to be mine in my map in "General Information", would I be invited?]

Right, to clarify: Echo, I didn't know you ever had holdings in Spain. This isn't intended to house colonies, but be a homeland for your nation. That being said, Pictavia extends to Iberia itself, thus the territorial gains made in II are relevant here. It's not just a straight-up claim-a-bit-of-land thread, its merely where to claim the territory for your homeland and then move it to the region on NS.net. Thus, Pictish colonies have not been included in the map at this time.

Stok: While I'd love to have ya, I'd be reluctant to provide such a vast expanse of land, especially since Pictavia only occupies some 95,000 square km with a reletively similar population to Stoklomolvi. Would you consider a smaller tract of land?

If I gave up Svalbard, Norway, and Sweden, would that work?

Right to clarify NP: I wasn't claiming a colony in Spain. I knew what this was about when I wrote it. I like the idea of having a Spanish history because I've never had much history at all. TFEI is actually canon from a Sci-Fi short story I wrote once, but since rping in MT appealed to me more I went with that. So I couldn't really have my FT history in an MT rp, nor did I want to put my Story out in cyber space as it has not been published, and I do plan to one day publish it. A Spanish history would be quite interesting I believe, and Frioia is surely going to go to you in the end. I do however, desire there to be a fictional archipelago in the Atlantic, It would be considerably smaller than the one now, but I still want it to be there, as I am the Far Echo ISLANDS. But it'd be more like the Spain-Canary Island's relationship. If that makes sense.

So, essentially, you would have two homelands? The Atlantic Archipelago and Spain that is?
If I am correct (Sorry, I'm being a bit ditty on this one >_<) I would probably just go with the islands, and not with Spain.

[EDIT]: There were no ill-intentions in my last post, just in case you interpreted it. I just had trouble trying to understand where you were going with this, that's all.

Stok: That would still be practically half of the map if I understand you correctly, but draw a small outline to where exactly you're after so I know exactly and then we'll see!

So, essentially, you would have two homelands? The Atlantic Archipelago and Spain that is?
If I am correct (Sorry, I'm being a bit ditty on this one >_<) I would probably just go with the islands, and not with Spain.

[EDIT]: There were no ill-intentions in my last post, just in case you interpreted it. I just had trouble trying to understand where you were going with this, that's all.

Stok: That would still be practically half of the map if I understand you correctly, but draw a small outline to where exactly you're after so I know exactly and then we'll see!

Kind of, but the Islands were colonized by the Spanish. though. If this is a grande problem, I could just rp as Dolphineo (http://www.nationstates.net/dolphineo)(of almost equal pop, but not as many posts) drop more or less TFEI after the war, or make it a colony, something with it IDK yet exactly, And forget about the whole mess. I've always wanted to be in one of these regions like Nova Europa that actually matter on II.

Well, I have a rather old map of Stoklomolvi in my signature...

Right, this has become a little more complicated than I intended it to be!

Echo: I'd prefer it if we stuck to the current II format of CFEI being in the islands, and not including Spain for the purposes of the region. Its really a case of one or the other at the moment anyway, I'm not speaking indefinitely.

Stok: That's still about half of the entire map, I'm trying to condense the region as much as possible (as with Echo's claims), I'd feel comfortable if claims were limited to say, 700,000 km squared for just now, although do not rule expansion out.

Right, this has become a little more complicated than I intended it to be!

Echo: I'd prefer it if we stuck to the current II format of CFEI being in the islands, and not including Spain for the purposes of the region. Its really a case of one or the other at the moment anyway, I'm not speaking indefinitely.

Stok: That's still about half of the entire map, I'm trying to condense the region as much as possible (as with Echo's claims), I'd feel comfortable if claims were limited to say, 700,000 km squared for just now, although do not rule expansion out.

ooc: OK, works, but can I have just a little peice of Spain? Maybe something in the north...

Oh, great, twenty million square miles is waaaay too much then, I would assume...

ooc: also, there will be a Greenland. I will not place Islands over where it is as I have been doing. Also, last post til tomorrow. Is very late here and I have tests tomorrow. Buenas Noches. (Good Night)

One question; so to join my country has to be based on a nation in europe?

Hey, I joined the region. Mark me down for France, and a bit of Ukraine (gonna redo the map tomorrow. New comp, and I need to transfer photoshop to it, and work out where my cities will be on the Map)

Total area should come up to about 700,000km squared.

Everyone: Would just like to say, please only claim your homeland right now, and leave claiming any other colonies or territories for later. It just makes it a bit simpler for my wee old heed.

Echo: Sounds about fine, I'll TG you the regional password if I havn't already. And don't worry so much about the islands, as I'm just going to declare them outside the map, but relevant nonetheless. As for Spain, I see no-problem with a wee colony, and will get down to colonies and the such as soon as main homeland claims are over.
[EDIT]: Echo, would you be interested in the segment of Greenland which is included in the map, and label it "The Far Echo Islands" instead?

Stok: Yeah, but if you find yourself a nice bit of 700k km squared let me know... (I'm allowing Stok the full amount since the far European East is not full of countries in reality)

Yani: If Ukraine is a colony then we'll sort that out later. As for France, if that is your homeland and not intended as a protectorate or anything then that is perfectly fine. Bearing in mind you do not have to follow real borders, and that France is huge, any preferences on where your borders lie? Oh, and the regional password is heading your way.

Binaria: Yeah, well as long as your nation has some sort of explanation of why it is where it is. Interested?

[EDIT]: I think NS is down, well at least I can't load the page up, so telegrams will have to wait 'till later.

Thanks, Nova, but I'm not too sure about how I'm going to size it down to only 700,000 sq km. The massive size is part of my nation's history, and I can't change that right now since NSWiki is down; also, I really don't want to change it since Vladistov, my capital, is on the Pacific coast, and it always has been. Moscow could be my secondary capital for the sake of Europa Atlantica. Yanitaria knows, since when I first met him NSWiki was still running and he could view my history, etc.

France is the colony, Ukraine is my Homeland (although in my fluff, the Ukraine was largely uninhabited, and was colonized by the Western World)

Stok: Alright, let me know if you change your mind either way.

Yani: I'm going to handle colonies later, so for now where would you like the borders to lie for Yanitaria? Roughly the same as the current Ukrainian?

Although I'd prefer it if Uiri itself was there, I understand that it may be a problem reconstructing your entire history. So, as long as the puppet was independent of Uiri, had a reason to be in that region of the world (history, race et cetera), and was active as you say, then by all means make a claim!

Edit: Urgh, warp...

Sounds interesting and I would like to join but I would have to use a puppet. As long as I use the puppet for RPing and I'm active with the puppet, will you let me in, or do I have to move Uiri from the middle of the Pacific and re-do my history all over?

I'll come back with what I'd like to claim for each option.

Yeah, mark me down for southern Ukraine and Eastern Romania (like, the coastal areas, and abit of inland Ukraine)

The new map is up on the first post of the thread. Is that OK? Feel free to shout if I've done it wrong!

That's perfect

Yanitaria: Good, glad you like it!

Stoklomolvi: I have a compromise, if I gave you the land you're after in Europe, minus all of Scandinavia (including Russian Scandinavia), and the area in between Ukraine and Kazakhstan, would you be interested? (I'm going well over the previously mentioned 700k max rule, as I believe the area to be less popular than the rest of Europa Atlantica) It does give you access to both western Russia and Europa Atlantica, so we can presume Stoklomolvi continues off-map much like CFEI.

[EDIT]: Freaking timewarps everywhere! Its like a big-ass portal storm!

My claim apparently is too large :p .

Darn, I was hoping that I could at least keep Russian Scandinavia...well, I could get rid of Norway, Sweden, and Finland, but I wish to keep most other places, since my nation is around the size of the Soviet Union.

I do not contest that Stoklomolvi should have that territory in real Europe as I realize it is based on the Russian empire, but it just represents the problem that it would undoubtedly take up more than half of the entire region for a nation of comparable populace to the rest. My previous offer still stands, but I feel that is as much as I can give at the moment as I have no idea how many other nations may want to claim land in EA. Its simply down to the amount of land available in EA, not to do with any argument over Stoklomolvi's place in the world. Just making sure you get me! :p
you are still welcome in the actual NS region even without a map-claim of course.

Sounds interesting and I would like to join but I would have to use a puppet. As long as I use the puppet for RPing and I'm active with the puppet, will you let me in, or do I have to move Uiri from the middle of the Pacific and re-do my history all over?

If I can use a puppet, I'd like Belguim and the Netherlands, and if possible, Luxembourg although I am willing to drop Luxembourg.

If I need to move Uiri all the way over and re-do everything, I'll claim Ireland (The whole island Republic + Northern) and sleep on it.

Well, how much land exactly must I give up between Ukraine and Kazakhstan? I still want access to the Black Sea.

Uiri: Puppet sounds fine (Pictavia occupies Alba and Tuaisceart Éireann, so Uiri would be confined to the Republic of Éire), as long as it has at least some relation to being in Benelux (Like some sort of alternate history, this is allowed in the alternate history sticky). The password is being telegrammed to you, and as soon as your nation is in I'll update the map.

Stok: A substantial amount, sorry :(

Darn...can I stay in the region anyway, though with my nation on an identical looking earth so that I can participate in RPs by entering through the Atlantic Ocean?

By all means, you are more than welcome in the NS region itself, it just wouldn't extend to the region in II, if you get me. (for example, leaving Stok in EA is absolutely fine, you just technically wouldn't be in the region when it came to Rp'ing in II)

[EDIT]: Right! This has got to stop! These warps have been like this for hours and the novelty is wearing thin very quickly!!

Darn...can I stay in the region anyway, though with my nation on an identical looking earth so that I can participate in RPs by entering through the Atlantic Ocean?

Can I, say, be "off-map", so that I can still participate in RPs? Otherwise, staying here would be rather pointless.

Dang. I'm not based on any european nation. I'm more like the US. However I use a lot of Scandavian based surenames (Olson, Anderson, ect) so would that count?

Uiri: Puppet sounds fine (Pictavia occupies Alba and Tuaisceart Éireann, so Uiri would be confined to the Republic of Éire), as long as it has at least some relation to being in Benelux (Like some sort of alternate history, this is allowed in the alternate history sticky). The password is being telegrammed to you, and as soon as your nation is in I'll update the map.

Stok: A substantial amount, sorry :(

I'm going with The Kingdom of Dutch-Ruled Benelux. Alternate history is that when Belguim tried to break off, William II sent in troops to control the insurrection. Belguim is therefore, still part of The Kingdom. William III changes constitution to make him absolute monarch. An invasion of Luxembourg takes place in 1892 when William IV invaded and conquered Luxembourg. all territory is under possesion of his grandson william VI.

Benelux: Haha, wasn't expecting that much Uiri! Nonetheless, the map will be updated ASAP.

Binaria: If there is a heavy Scandinavian population then it's obviously fine for Binaria to be in Scandinavia. Where would you like your borders? The regional password will be TG to you ASAP.

Stoklomolvi: Yeah, off-map would be fine, but that would technically mean no access to the Atlantic... Either way, what I mean is of course you are permitted in regional RP's, Stoklomolvi just wouldn't be recognized as sharing a close border with any EA states, if you get me? Of course, the previous offer of land still stands, and could easily be interpreted as continuing off-map too.

Mhh... Reminds me of an already existing region =P

Mhh... Reminds me of an already existing region =P

In short: Yes. It is the same in all practicality, except one might say that your region reminds them of Europe, and that Europa Atlantica bypassed Nova Europa and was inspired directly by the real thing.
But that wouldn't be completely true...

Hmmm... I think that Urmania is bigger than given limit, but... Can i join?
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6250/mapwithurmaniacj7.png

Do you see Netherlands, Belguim and luxembourg? Together they are around 73,000 km squared.

Dutch Royal Family Tree since 1815

William I of the Netherlands, King (Abdicated 1850)

William II of the Netherlands, King (Died 1890)

William III of the Netherlands, King (Died 1930); Alexander I of the Netherlands

William IV of the Netherlands; Peter I of the Netherlands - Alexander II of the Netherlands; Albert I of the Netherlands

William V ''; Nicolas I '' - Peter II ''; Carl I '' - Alexander III ''; Charles I '' - Albert II ''; Augustus I ''

William VI ''; Paul I '' - Nicolas II ''; Louis I '' - Peter III ''; Henry I '' - Carl II ''; Frederick I '' - Alexander IV ''; Ernest I '' - Charles II ''; Constantijn I '' - Albert III ''; David I '' - Augustus II ''

King of the Extended Netherlands - William V (HRMH)
Grand Duke of East Luxembourg - William VI (HRH)
Duke of North Holland - Nicholas I (HRH)
Duke of South Holland - Paul I (HRH)
Duke of Utrecht - Paul II (HRH)
Duke of Flevoland - Louis I (HRH)
Duke of Friesland - Peter II (HRH)
Duke of Gelderland - Peter III (HH)
Duke of Overijssel - Henry I (HH)
Duke of Drenthe - Carl I (HRH)
Duke of Groningen - Carl II (HH)
Duke of Zealand - Frederick I (HH)
Duke of North Brabant - Alexander III (HH)
Duke of North Limburg - Alexander IV (HE)
Duke of Liège - Ernest I (HE)
Duke of Namur - Charles I (HH)
Duke of Hainaut - Charles II (HE)
Duke of Walloon Brabant - Constantijn I (HE)
Duke of West Luxembourg - Albert II (HH)
Duke of West Flanders - Albert III (HE)
Duke of East Flanders - David I (HE)
Duke of Flemish Brabant - Augustus I (HH)
Duke of Antwerp - Augustus II (HE)

Hmmm... I think that Urmania is bigger than given limit, but... Can i join?
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6250/mapwithurmaniacj7.png

Sorry, there's a green smudge on the screen that I can't seem to shift.
:p

In all seriousness though, I'm not altering the actual geography of Europe at all, just offering the chance to be 'signposted' on the map. As it stands, I'm not prepared to acknowledge a landmass that big just out of Europa Atlantica's seas, sorry. Thanks for taking an interest though!

Not really scandanavians, just thier offspring from a few dozen generation ago.

So, you've got Scandinavian ancestors and you're state's in Scandinavia? So you're Scandinavian then :p That's good enough for me. Again, where do your borders lie?

Southern part of Sweden and Norway, and northern part of denmark.

Hokaydokes. I'm going to be at work for pretty much the next 48 hours, so consider that territory reserved for now and I'll map it up later. In the meantime, I'll TG you the regional password.
~Picts

Nice region, Picts!

My nation's not Euro-based, and my geography resembles that of the North U.S. and Canada, so I can't be in. Nonetheless, good luck wih it!

So, to clarify, could I have an arrow pointing somewhere, saying "Stoklomolvi"? That would be very awesome until I can get myself to redraw my nation map.

Interesting... one question, what about the population? I wouldn't say to use our NS populations?

So, to clarify, could I have an arrow pointing somewhere, saying "Stoklomolvi"? That would be very awesome until I can get myself to redraw my nation map.

YOU BETTER NOT!

I swear, I JUST put the finishing touches on my new map! We now have a large boarder and if you make me have to redo my map, I'll launch every single nuke my nation officially doesn't have at your capital!!!!!! (*emphasis added!*)

In other news, I have a new map, and I was wondering if you could edit the boarders a bit on the map so that Yanitaria's new boarders are shown. I'll post it in a bit

EDIT:http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/YanitariaMk3.png

Argh, what a day. Anyway I'm back after a fruitless weekend ready to redo that map and answer your questions/comments.

Binaria: Expect your territory to be included shortly.

Stoklomolvi: Yeah, sign-posting's the least I can do.

Yanitaria: That map is freaking awesome, FTW! but on a side note, see previous posts for the complications of Stok's land-claim. Sorry!

Kirav: 'Sfine, thanks anyway!

Actually, come to think of it, I think that I will edit my nation history extensively since it essentially sucks anyway. I will "smallify" my claim to a reasonable amount, and since Yanitaria already took the liberty of adding me in to the map (thanks, lulz!) I will just remove the entirety of my Scandinavian claim, remove whatever Yanitaria put in his map, and that's pretty much it for the European sector of Stoklomolvi. However, in the Asian side, I will keep Kazakhstan (not like anyone wants an Asian country in a Europe map) and I will modify my map in Asia, not that it really matters for a Europe thing.

Alright, I understand. Perhaps later if that area goes unclaimed.

Nova, could you specify a general map of what I would have to give up?

*UPDATE* EA MkV is up, although I fear it will be short lived!

Kansiov: We're essentially just creating borders for our NS nations for use in mainstream II, including the use of our full populations. Yes it doesn't make sense and is wholeheartedly impossible population-wise, but then so is the population of NS Earth. Can't win 'em all! Although, continuing on TWSP's model, a tripling of the actual landmass of Europe may be in order to encompass the burgeoning EA population.

Stok: If Scandinavia is given up and you wish to hold onto Kazakhstan, then if you merely give-up the largely useless tracks of land north of "The Gulf of Finland" (as a point of reference), and if your border runs at a positive gradient of between 45 - 60˚ from the Yanitarian border. Does that make sense? Atlantic access wouldn't be easily available if Stoklomolvi is concentrated in the south, but I figure since you're already spanning several seas including the Black and Caspian that it wouldn't be a problem. It really just comes down to leaving either North-Western or South-Western Russian territory free, and it's far more practical to leave the north free since you share that border with Yanitaria and own Kazakhstan.

[EDIT]: An example (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/EAPoliticalMapMkVI.png), remember it's very flexible if needs be.

To Stok: I only took Ukraine, which you hadn't claimed.

To NP: Yay for Yanitaria's boarders! I thought it was too big.

I was thinking more along the lines of this, if that's okay.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd188/NS_Crossbowman/NationStates/europa_atlantica_example.png

I mean, Russia is Russia, and it's massive in RL. Besides, most nations are not in Russia; they're everywhere else, lulz.

Nope, sorry. Compared to what other nations have claimed that is a massive amount of land, and really has little difference to your previous claim. It's purely about how much land is available in the region...

All right then, could I take what you suggested and whatever remains in Asia? Technically it wouldn't be in Europe then.

Your territory can extend as far as you like off-map, as that would count as outside the region and thus outside of my jurisdiction! The new map will be up shortly, thank you for your patience!

*victory!*

Ahem, the first post has magically recovered from a slight huff it took earlier. MkVI is up!

I'll make a "mini-map" for our use that spans the world, m'kay?

On another note, I was considering starting an RP documenting the trade routes of Europa Atlantic? Anyone interested?

My version of the minimap:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd188/NS_Crossbowman/NationStates/europa_atlantica_mini.png

Note that because Nova said that anything outside of Europe was out of his jurisdiction, I just expanded down into China, since in reality that is where my heritage originates anyway. My colonies remained the same, though I stole Alaska, as the Russians did many years ago. At any rate, I would also love to participate in an Atlantic trade thingy even though I have no Atlantic trade access :D .

On another note, I was considering starting an RP documenting the trade routes of Europa Atlantic? Anyone interested?


Sure.

My version of the minimap:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd188/NS_Crossbowman/NationStates/europa_atlantica_mini.png

Note that because Nova said that anything outside of Europe was out of his jurisdiction, I just expanded down into China, since in reality that is where my heritage originates anyway. My colonies remained the same, though I stole Alaska, as the Russians did many years ago. At any rate, I would also love to participate in an Atlantic trade thingy even though I have no Atlantic trade access :D .

You do too. Through the Bosporus, which is in my territory, but of course your ships will be allowed through. Also, on your minimap I own one more island, in the Aegean (right at the southwester tip on my territory, past the island you did mark.

I know it's nit picky, but could you get that? I'd really appreciate it since it means that all my maps match. I am OCD like that)

I'm surprised no ones taken Germany yet....

Sure, I'll add it in. It's only one island. Also, is my territory size okay? It's not much of a change area wise from my previous land size.

Bad-a bing, bad-a bang, bad-a boom. (http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd188/NS_Crossbowman/NationStates/europa_atlantica_mini-1.png)

Ahh, hate to nit pick again, but southern Yanitaria extends a bit farther south, encompassing that island and peninsula on the south west (sorry! Last thing, and if Isee anything else I'll forget it)

edit: Just realised that the island (don't know whatit's called now, but it used to be Lesbos) actually shows up as connected by land. So my territory extends to the little peninsula looking thing just south of it

Bad-a bing, bad-a bang, bad-a boom. (http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd188/NS_Crossbowman/NationStates/europa_atlantica_mini-2.png)

Wow, picky Yanitaria xD.

Nice digital looking map, by the way.

Google Earth FTW. Real satellite images, got the idea from NP. I was so proud.

*cough not being nitpicky if I change it myself *cough*
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/WorldMapEA.png

That all looks good, but I'm afraid it wont be used in anything to do with Europa Atlantica, since EA is merely a region and not an "NS EARTH". I'd like to make that clear right here, this region is just part of the greater giant of NS, and not in its own independent Earth.

*UPDATE*

The first post has been reformatted, with the aims of becoming clearer and more precise. Please have a read over it. Also, you may note that after Binaria's request on the regional board, nations out with European heritage are allowed in, providing they have sufficient IC reasons for being in Europe. Ancient racial migration is an example given. Any questions?

I am gonna re-right my country's fluff. People originally from Norway and Sweden will be from Binaria, for instance. People from england will be Pictavian, and so on. Is that cool with everyone?

Google Earth FTW. Real satellite images, got the idea from NP. I was so proud.

I was working on a Google Map map of my nations boundaries, it is a really useful tool especially with satellite images and places being marked so I can show where certain cities are.

On another note, I was considering starting an RP documenting the trade routes of Europa Atlantic? Anyone interested?

I'm in.

I'm surprised no ones taken Germany yet....

I'm going to be expanding into North Germany and North France and South England (including London). In response to going right up to your border, I'll put in my map and you tell me if it's too close.

That all looks good, but I'm afraid it wont be used in anything to do with Europa Atlantica, since EA is merely a region and not an "NS EARTH". I'd like to make that clear right here, this region is just part of the greater giant of NS, and not in its own independent Earth.

*UPDATE*

The first post has been reformatted, with the aims of becoming clearer and more precise. Please have a read over it. Also, you may note that after Binaria's request on the regional board, nations out with European heritage are allowed in, providing they have sufficient IC reasons for being in Europe. Ancient racial migration is an example given. Any questions?

Looks good. I was going to request Aruba and Netherland Antilles be marked on Stok's map until I saw this post.

I am gonna re-right my country's fluff. People originally from Norway and Sweden will be from Binaria, for instance. People from england will be Pictavian, and so on. Is that cool with everyone?

If there are Dutch/Belgian/Luxembourgish people, make them Dutch unless immigration was before 1900 in which case Luxembourgish remain Luxembourgish and before 1815 in which case Belgians are Belgians.

Gonna put map here. I am planning to extend the Kingdom far and wide.

Et Voila:

Map (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115620551898211156477.00044067fa346cb632488&t=k&om=1&ll=51.76784,5.646973&spn=6.447406,14.80957&z=6)

Red - Amsterdam, Capital of the Kingdom
Yellow - Brussels, Important City
Blue - London, Important Area to capture
Green - Luxembourg City, another big city

Please note that shaded areas are still available for claims to nations wanting to join the region as this is just a projection with those areas not yet part of the kingdom.

DrB: Erm, no you don't. Nobody's expanding their territory now as we still need far more nations in this region, and these nations might want where you're expanding into. Especially if you take London, who's gunna want England? Nobody 'takes' anything until it is run by me so that I get a chance to say "no way". Sorry if that seems harsh but it is the only way to stop people from claiming half the damn map.

Yani: The demonym of "Pictavia" is "Pictish": "Pictavian"'s probably some kind of bird. And Pictavia is definitely not England (that is actually considered an insult where I come from, although I know you didn't mean it! =P), rather it is Alba (Scotland) and some of Éire (Ireland).

DrB: Erm, no you don't. Nobody's expanding their territory now as we still need far more nations in this region, and these nations might want where you're expanding into. Especially if you take London, who's gunna want England? Nobody 'takes' anything until it is run by me so that I get a chance to say "no way". Sorry if that seems harsh but it is the only way to stop people from claiming half the damn map.

NP: Oh, I thought that applications were closing. OK, since applications are still open I'll edit my map if someone claims that territory. I'll also add the disclaimer below the link to the map that the shaded areas are still up to be claimed by someone else and I won't take anyone else's territory. The red shaded bit was just to see if anyone, mostly Binaria but Yanitaria too, had a problem with me marching in my troops. It is just planning so nothing is happening yet.

Also, when refering to me in short, Benelux or Dutchy are fine.

That's cool, sorry if I seemed a bit snappy. I'm just tired of trying to prevent a free-for-all land grab breaking out! If anyone could just refer to the rules on the first post if they are in doubt.

Also, as far as I am concerned applications are open until the entire region is inhabited.

Hell to anyone who claims France! I was distraught enough when Benelux popped up.

I'm in for the trade routes, btw. Avast, will there be pirates, arrrr?

And sorry, I forgot about the whole Pictish thing. And if it helps any, I meant that I wouldn't have english immigrants, just Pictish (I can do an alright fake Scottish accent, and I have fooled a few people from the West Midlands into thinking I am from new Zealand with my London/New Zealander accent).

Now that I realize that any expansion will be trespassing on other nation's land because you are leaving the region open to applications until all land is claimed, I will focus on a region map which will contain capitals and other majour cities. I will mark anything anywhere at request. State/Province capitols won't be marked however, large cities (1,000,000 + pop I think) will be. If that happens to coincide with capitols then they will be marked. If too many cities are marked in too little area, only the largest will be marked.

EDIT: Yanitaria, I think we'll have to talk to Pictavia so that it's a certain number of nations, not until the map is covered because this won't work. Just to let you know, I'll go for Deutchland (Germany) then.

Very well, shall we say it'll be closed when 80% of territory is claimed?

*crosses fingers and hopes for France and Corsica*

The big-huge map is for my own reference, and I will include a detailed political map of my entire nation sooner or later. I didn't include the Far Echo Islands 'cause I didn't know where he was IC'ly, and on my detailed political map I will include the Europe border.

I'd like to join the region since I've been looking for a good region/map to locate my country in for some time now. While I haven't been that active in II in the past several months due to time issues my schedule has cleared up lately and I will be much more active now. I want to claim the rough boundaries that the Austro-Hungarian Empire had (shown on this map (http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5025/eapoliticalmapmkvihl1.png)), which will work well with my nation's ethnicity and language. Hopefully it's not a problem that I a member of the Corporate Alliance.

I also have seen some talk on this thread about increasing the size of this Europe to accommodate larger populations and I am completely in favor of that since my population is approaching 4 billion.

No Taxes:

That's great, telegramming you the regional password as we speak, and will update the map as soon as possible. Welcome!

Hey, a former Texas Region occupant.

Where did you get the "moral order" thing in your sig? I'd love to see where my nation ranks

Very well, shall we say it'll be closed when 80% of territory is claimed?

80% could = Germany and Metropolitian France (includes Corsica)?

*crosses fingers and hopes for France and Corsica*

*Does the same for Germany*

I'd like to join the region since I've been looking for a good region/map to locate my country in for some time now. While I haven't been that active in II in the past several months due to time issues my schedule has cleared up lately and I will be much more active now. I want to claim the rough boundaries that the Austro-Hungarian Empire had (shown on this map (http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5025/eapoliticalmapmkvihl1.png)), which will work well with my nation's ethnicity and language. Hopefully it's not a problem that I a member of the Corporate Alliance.

I also have seen some talk on this thread about increasing the size of this Europe to accommodate larger populations and I am completely in favor of that since my population is approaching 4 billion.

I hope that should Germnay not be claimed, we will be able to split it among ourselves.

Hey, a former Texas Region occupant.

Where did you get the "moral order" thing in your sig? I'd love to see where my nation ranks
No, Texas is where I actually live now. I can't remember exactly where i got the moral order thing but I'll look.

Nova, do we have to use the Rl city names and locations or do we use our own cities where we feel like placing them?

Could 20% = Germany and France 9Corsica included)?

I hope to be able to split Germany with No Taxes should it not be claimed.

I wish to get the moral order thing as well for both DRB and Uiri.

EDIT: Binaria, I think we can do either as I think Yanitaria is using his own cities while I am using RL cities (such as Amsterdam, Den Haag and Haarlem).

No, Texas is where I actually live now. I can't remember exactly where i got the moral order thing but I'll look.

Wait, you live in Texas in RL, or do you mean you are still in the region?

Nova, do we have to use the Rl city names and locations or do we use our own cities where we feel like placing them?

You can use your own. You don'teven need to claim a real country. All that matters is that you have land on the map.

Could 20% = Germany and France 9Corsica included)?

With enough room for Scandinavia


EDIT: Binaria, fix the link to your map

I found that moral politics (http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Home) sight a couple of people wanted.

Wait, you live in Texas in RL, or do you mean you are still in the region?

I live in Texas in RL.

I live in Texas in RL.

Me too. Cool, man.

Your Score

Your scored 2 on the Moral Order axis and 4.5 on the Moral Rules axis.

Matches

The following items best match your score:

1. System: Authoritarianism
2. Variation: Economic Authoritarianism
3. Ideologies: Social Republicanism
4. US Parties: No match.
5. Presidents: Jimmy Carter (66.85%)
6. 2004 Election Candidates: John Kerry (63.76%), Ralph Nader (61.41%), George W. Bush (55.97%)

Interesting...wow, I used to live in Austin over there.

Binaria: As Yani says, whatever you like. As long as you have fairly adequate IC reasons for inhabiting the region it's your land to be done with as you please.

Benelux: When it finally comes down to colonies, I'm leaning towards people claiming provinces or a small-string of provinces, rather than entire RL nations, just for realism's sake.

Binaria: As Yani says, whatever you like. As long as you have fairly adequate IC reasons for inhabiting the region it's your land to be done with as you please.

Benelux: When it finally comes down to colonies, I'm leaning towards people claiming provinces or a small-string of provinces, rather than entire RL nations, just for realism's sake.

Like me following in my forefarthers foot steps and colonizing iceland...and Nova Scotia

Well, obviously it would be one German state at a time but I'm talking end results here. I don't mind anyone claiming borders on Germany as long as I have as far East as the Jutland penninsula and as far south long enough for a nice berth for people going along from Benelux. It will open thousands of trade possibilities.

Also, if anyone wants a flag designed for their now European nations, I am offering to make it. I will be making a map in Google Maps for markings of Capitals and other large cities as stated earlier. Anywhere you want marked will be marked but I would recommend more than one peg/ 35000 square kilometers (approx. 14000 square miles).

Oh and I am 0.5 on the Moral Order and 7 on the Moral Rules. Economic Conservativism FTW!

Your Score

Your scored -3 on the Moral Order axis and 4.5 on the Moral Rules axis.

Matches

The following items best match your score:

1. System: Socialism
2. Variation: Economic Socialism
3. Ideologies: Social Democratism
4. US Parties: No match.
5. Presidents: Jimmy Carter (79.63%)
6. 2004 Election Candidates: Ralph Nader (79.63%), John Kerry (71.27%), George W. Bush (45.11%) (NOOOOO, NOT BUSH!)

I want France because it's big, and french, and AWESOME! Also, it'd put me in a great position if I can take control of the suez canal

Yes, France is big, French and awesome, but everyone has to learn to share. Not to mention that that would be like the US trying to conquer Algeria. Not gonna happen. Are your borders Ukraine + North-East Africa?

Awesome, two posts to go and I've only had the 'Moderators will look it over' once.

ICly, I took over France last week. I just want all my maps to match. my boarders are ukraine, romania, bulgaria, and turkey, but my people are25% french immigrants (or at least 3rd generation natives from french ancestors)

Well, obviously it would be one German state at a time but I'm talking end results here. I don't mind anyone claiming borders on Germany as long as I have as far East as the Jutland penninsula and as far south long enough for a nice berth for people going along from Benelux. It will open thousands of trade possibilities.

Also, if anyone wants a flag designed for their now European nations, I am offering to make it. I will be making a map in Google Maps for markings of Capitals and other large cities as stated earlier. Anywhere you want marked will be marked but I would recommend more than one peg/ 35000 square kilometers (approx. 14000 square miles).

Right, I am firmly against the mere 'claiming' of a colony, when the region fills up you will have to acquire the territory by IC means, for realisms sake. Now no more mentioning of who wants what for the last time, if you want it, you'll have to fight whoever owns it for it later. Simple as that.

Also I'd like to restate that you're not changing your nation at all, thus do not need any kind of real Euro-based flag. This is an alternate Europe: just a place for NS nations who would inhabit RL Europe to call home- Your nations should already be European in essence but can deviate from RL equivalents as much as you want them to.

Like me following in my forefarthers foot steps and colonizing iceland...and Nova Scotia

forgot to mention. My ancestors were scandinavian royalty, and I am related, on my grandfather's side, to Lief Erikson and Erik the Red. I think I have the family tree somewhere, let me look.

Couldn't find the good tree, but I have an old index that lists some people, although very few from before 1200AD Teh index (http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/g/a/a/Dennis-G-Gaarder/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-Index.html)

Meh, you probably don't care, but I am extremely proud of my ancestry.

New map is up showing No Taxes' borders on the first post. That makes it EA Map MkVII.

hey, NP, I just noticed a discrepancy in the maps. My territory should about touch the edge of those mountains on No Taxes boarder.

Also, anyone up for a UN/World Court/EU rp for EA?

hey, NP, I just noticed a discrepancy in the maps. My territory should about touch the edge of those mountains on No Taxes boarder.

Also, anyone up for a UN/World Court/EU rp for EA?
Perhaps as long as there would be some sort of economic agreement/benefits.

Of course, there would be the trade agreements, and free seas agreements, and such.

My nation already maintains 0 tariffs on all foreign goods, but we want to expand comercially and low tariffs of other nations help.

(Notes with glee that No Taxes' GDP is more than twice as large as the rest of the region combined.)

Yanitaria I suppose will now be a major exporter of grain, given our fertile soil, and easy access to the ocean. I am also gonna RP a steel and coal boom, and see how fishing is in the black sea (now the Sea of Yanitaria, according to my personal map)

Sigh...now I must add Chinese products and such to my all-encompassing list...

I'll fix the map as soon as I can. And as for an EU type thing, don't worry, that has been my plan from the beginning. The Atlantican Union will be established once the region is looking just a little bit more full.

AU? Awesome. No regional currency though as we have a large economic gap between the majourity of us and No Taxes. Also, some people might want new flags to go with their new borders. Some might not.

Map so far, only includes NP, Yani, Binaria and I for now. Let me know if you like it and where I should mark important cities such as capitols.

EDIT: D'oh, I forgot to include the map.

Map (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115620551898211156477.00044067fa346cb632488&t=k&z=4&om=0)

The AU sounds awesome, but we could totally do a regional currency, only a bit different. Like, for instance, say we adopt the denarius (pl: denarii. Also, I just chose it because that's my nation's currency, I am not saying we should adopt the denarius).

Well, we could have the Pictish Denarius, the No Taxes Denarius, which would be mostly the same in design, and usable throughout the region, and the only major design difference is that while Gaius Kadesh is featured along with the "Pictish Imperium" on the pictish dollar, No Taxes would have his leader and his nation's name printed on it.

Monitarily, we can back it by a gold standard, or more likely, the pictish denarius will be worth X while the NT Denarius would be worth Y.

Then we end up with a totally inflated currency if one member's economy tanks and price differences are more easily revealed, causing mass migration to said country. How about we set the 'Atla' (from Atlantican, like Euro is from European) at the rate of the average of all the currency's in USDs and divide it into mil's? That way the bottom gets prices in mils and lots of change and the top gets prices in 10's of Atla's and lots of notes?

I have added Stoklomolvi to the map. (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115620551898211156477.00044067fa346cb632488&t=k&om=0&ll=51.069017,18.544922&spn=26.287993,59.238281&z=4)

Then we end up with a totally inflated currency if one member's economy tanks and price differences are more easily revealed, causing mass migration to said country. How about we set the 'Atla' (from Atlantican, like Euro is from European) at the rate of the average of all the currency's in USDs and divide it into mil's? That way the bottom gets prices in mils and lots of change and the top gets prices in 10's of Atla's and lots of notes?

I have added Stoklomolvi to the map. (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115620551898211156477.00044067fa346cb632488&t=k&om=0&ll=51.069017,18.544922&spn=26.287993,59.238281&z=4)

Rates

1 Atla =

0.6312 USD
0.3116 No Taxes Lib
0.5567 Binarian Dollar
0.5928 Dutch-Ruled Benelux Gulden
1.1913 Stolomolvi Stoklomolv
1.2996 Nova Pictavia Au Sha
1.3158 Yanitarian Dinarius
1.7320 Far Echoese Ice Diamond

(To find currency X in Atlas divide one by the amount 1 Atla is in curremcy X)

Not at all! The currency really only looks the same. Their worth is still decided by the country, only, every AU nation's version of the currency is accepted in every other AU nation. So if a USSY Denarius=1USD, and a Benelux denarius=3usd, then in Yanitaria, you only need one Beneluxian denarius to pay off a 3 Yanitarian denarii bill.

Dutch, not Beneluxian. Benelux is being controlled by the Dutch Monarch and everything in Benelux is in Dutch. The demonym is Dutch.

The problem with that is this:

July:

1 Dutch Atla = 2 USD
1 USSY Atla = 1.5 USD

A Dutch tourist pays for a necklace worth 4 Yanitarian Atla with 3 Dutch Atla (both worth 6 USD).

August:

1 Dutch Atla = 1.75 USD
1 USSY Atla = 1.75 USD

The Yanitarian storeowner has lost one whole Atla.

This is why I have proposed the system above.

Stores empty the register every day, and usually send their money to the bank every week. In tourist areas, it's even more frequent.

Or everyone could adopt my currency (after changing the name), that way your consumers would have much more purchasing power both abroad and in No Taxes, while it would greatly help my export industries since currently almost every single one of the countries I export to has a weaker currency and thus my products cost more. Not to mention that with almost zero labor laws and no minimum wage in my country it would help even more to lower the price of my goods for your citizens. The markets would eventually adjust to the right value. I don't think it would hurt my consumers too much. And every country could design the currency to their liking, with a few common features.

Also, Benelux on your map Yanitaria's territory goes way too far west and cuts into a large portion of my territory.

I know stores empty the register everyday, but it must be a hassle going to the bank to change the three 1 DRB Atla peices into the equivalent in USSY Atlas. Plus, if only the designs are different, it makes it even harder to tell foriegn currency apart. If we'll do it like that we'll need coins and bills whose country of origin is distinguishable by a quick look and exchange rate boards everywhere.

EDIT: I didn't see No Taxes post.

Well, I drew along Bulgaria, Romania and Ukraine. I'll try and fix it.

The problem with No Taxes' idea is that most people would be working with coins. 1 Lib is nearly 2 Gulden and more than 4 Dinarii, Binarian Dollars and more than 3 and a half Stoklomolvs.

Yeah, the map is way off.

I'd have no objections to No Taxes idea, provided we can come up with a name we can all agree on.

Edit:I know stores empty the register everyday, but it must be a hassle going to the bank to change the three 1 DRB Atla peices into the equivalent in USSY Atlas. Plus, if only the designs are different, it makes it even harder to tell foriegn currency apart. If we'll do it like that we'll need coins and bills whose country of origin is distinguishable by a quick look and exchange rate boards everywhere.

They already go to the bank, they keep their monies there. Banks take foreign currency with the regular, and sort it out themselves.

And not necessarily, about the exchange boards. They could run a ticker on all 24 hour news networks, and dedicate a radio station to run it automatically. Minimal cost, which would be easily recouped from the increase in trade.

As for security, a the increment numbers can be shaded a certain color for a certain country, focusing mostly on electric colors.

Yeah, the map is way off.

Edit:

They already go to the bank, they keep their monies there. Banks take foreign currency with the regular, and sort it out themselves.

And not necessarily, about the exchange boards. They could run a ticker on all 24 hour news networks, and dedicate a radio station to run it automatically. Minimal cost, which would be easily recouped from the increase in trade.

As for security, a the increment numbers can be shaded a certain color for a certain country, focusing mostly on electric colors.

Right, I forgot that they deposit the money the earned at the bank. So the bankers sort through it all and determine which is from which country? Of course, tickers could work well, LCD display would be minimal cost and with less than 10 countries in the Union, it would work well. More than 10 and then it gets way too complex. A plastic board before the ticker could say 1 [insert the country's name]'s [currency name] = and then the screen. We could use two letter codes + the first letter of the new name (What do you think of Atla?) for international currency codes. Also, what about the currency symbol?

Atla is a fine name.

And yeah, the agreement threw me off, because I am ready to admit that the whole system is probably a bit more effort than it's worth

Here is a Map of No Taxes (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=k&msa=0&ll=48.502048,18.94043&spn=10.237159,20.43457&z=6&om=1&msid=116578460941366778508.00044092112fbf37f3178)

Map so far, only includes NP, Yani, Binaria and I for now. Let me know if you like it and where I should mark important cities such as capitols.

EDIT: D'oh, I forgot to include the map.

Map (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115620551898211156477.00044067fa346cb632488&t=k&z=4&om=0)

Look, I don't know why we need another map, the current one is perfectly fine. Also, I have made it clear on numerous occasions that this region is part of the greater NS giant, and may not bear any resemblance to Earth besides Europa Atlantica. I am firmly drawing the line here, Europa Atlantica is not to be featured as part of an 'Earth' in anyway, this is merely a region of NS that resembles Europe, not an 'Earth'.

As for the Atlas, great idea, I like it. The problem is, I've totally lost where you guys are going with this. Could someone clarify for me? :p

Look, I don't know why we need another map, the current one is perfectly fine. Also, I have made it clear on numerous occasions that this region is part of the greater NS giant, and may not bear any resemblance to Earth besides Europa Atlantica. I am firmly drawing the line here, Europa Atlantica is not to be featured as part of an 'Earth' in anyway, this is merely a region of NS that resembles Europe, not an 'Earth'.

As for the Atlas, great idea, I like it. The problem is, I've totally lost where you guys are going with this. Could someone clarify for me? :p
I just made my map to give a more detailed picture of No Taxes.

As for the currency I think the general consensus is to have a specific national version of the Atlas with a different design and value. Though I don't see why we just don't keep are own current currencies, unless we decide on one currency that we will all use.

Probably better to keep our own.

Edit: I wanted to discuss cooperative police forces, but we ought to wait until there is an AU

I just made my map to give a more detailed picture of No Taxes.

As for the currency I think the general consensus is to have a specific national version of the Atlas with a different design and value. Though I don't see why we just don't keep are own current currencies, unless we decide on one currency that we will all use.

It's not individual maps I have a problem with, it's large regional maps created without my permission clearly depicting EA as part of Earth. It's just a region of NS, not any kind of Earth. Also, we don't need another map. It will undoubtedly just encourage people to try to expand their territory without my knowledge.

As for the Atlas, you're probably right but it was a nice idea nonetheless. Any ideas on how the concept could be saved?

*Edit* Yani: What about a variation of of "Interpol", maybe, say "Atlantiguard"!!!! (I got a little excited there, sorry)

A gold standard backed intermediary currency acceptable in all countries, and easily exchangeable.

Look, I don't know why we need another map, the current one is perfectly fine. Also, I have made it clear on numerous occasions that this region is part of the greater NS giant, and may not bear any resemblance to Earth besides Europa Atlantica. I am firmly drawing the line here, Europa Atlantica is not to be featured as part of an 'Earth' in anyway, this is merely a region of NS that resembles Europe, not an 'Earth'.

As for the Atlas, great idea, I like it. The problem is, I've totally lost where you guys are going with this. Could someone clarify for me? :p


If the current one is perfectly fine, please mark Amsterdam, Brussels and any other city anyone else may want to mark. If you can do that then yes, it is perfectly fine.

Atlas = plural form. Singular is Atla. I do believe we have come to the following conclusion:

Each and every country in the region shall change the name of their currency to Atla.

Tickers will mass produced and sold in each country in the region for their Atla compared to other Atla's. I presume the tickers will be satellite co-ordinated to keep up to date with exchange rates.

Atla's will be considered legal tender region-wide, worth different amounts in different countries due to floating exchange rates. They will be able to be redeemed for the amount in any other country's Atla's but because of exchange rates, a quarter Atla in No Taxes may become an Atla in Nova Pictavia.

Notes and coins will work like the Euro only, notes will (presumably) be colour-coded to tell nation of origin and coins will be (presumably) have the nation-of-origin's flag painted on one side and the value on the other. This point is up for debate.

No Taxes - It's eaiser to have the seller rather then the buyer change currency because it would (most likely) be one big change at a certain time of day rather than several small changes at several times of day. A Dutchmen can drive 1,144 km from Amsterdam to your capital to buy a special product and not worry about changing Gulden to Libs.

Yanitaria - I, personally, see the Gold Standard as flawed. I don't mind pegging but I do mind setting it to gold which has demand and supply unrelated to the demand and supply of currency in this day and age. DRB will not peg to gold, but will exchange with currencies which are, indirectly being pegged although not directly.

I've been lost in the rapid short posts!!! I agree with Atlantiguard. I still think the Atla is a good idea. (Not the name, the system); as examplified by my points above.

Last Edit, I am gonna keep my Europa map to determine driving distnaces, et cetera, but only for that purpose.

If the current one is perfectly fine, please mark Amsterdam, Brussels and any other city anyone else may want to mark. If you can do that then yes, it is perfectly fine.

No. The regional map is for international boundaries. National maps are for your cities et cetera, I may consider adding capitals to the map, but not just any old city someone wants posted. 'Nuff said. As for what you've said on the Atla, I agree with you 75%, it sounds like a decent plan. All our Atla's may be worth different values, but are legal tender in each nation. The only possible problem here could be inflation of 'migrating' Atla's, although I'm not sure how this would work.

No. The regional map is for international boundaries. National maps are for your cities et cetera, I may consider adding capitals to the map, but not just any old city someone wants posted. 'Nuff said.


OK, then my regional map becomes the secondary regional map for large cities people want posted.

As for what you've said on the Atla, I agree with you 75%, it sounds like a decent plan. All our Atla's may be worth different values, but are legal tender in each nation. The only possible problem here could be inflation of 'migrating' Atla's, although I'm not sure how this would work.

For this reason, storeowners would go to the bank presumably very often so that exchange rates don't effect them as much. They can go to the bank and change to their country's Atla before the rates have an impact. Different rates of inflation/deflation would be reflected in the exchange rate in addition to supply and demand.

OK, then my regional map becomes the secondary regional map for large cities people want posted.

No it doesn't, your regional map depicts Earth, not just the region. I don't want applicants confused as to what this region is and isn't. For that reason I must ask you to not include anything to do with the greater region in a map without my permission.

No it doesn't, your regional map depicts Earth, not just the region. I don't want applicants confused as to what this region is and isn't. For that reason I must ask you to not include anything to do with the greater region in a map without my permission.


It does depict Earth but that is due to the limits of my world map altering abilities. Google Maps won't let me permanently cut out the rest of the world and only nations which are recognized as 'off map' will be depicted outside Europe. Everything else will be depicted within Europe. Is that OK?

It does depict Earth but that is due to the limits of my world map altering abilities. Google Maps won't let me permanently cut out the rest of the world and only nations which are recognized as 'off map' will be depicted outside Europe. Everything else will be depicted within Europe. Is that OK?

Sorry, but it's simply a no. 'Specially since Stoklomolvi is depicted taking up most of Asia: that has nothing to do with the region whatsoever. I'm not trying to be snappy about it, I feel as though I just need to set firm boundaries about what this region is and isn't.

He is part of the region. His borders therefore, should be depicted. You said so yourself that Asia was outside your jurisdiction and therefore OK. I realize it's not a new Earth, but if it's only for members of the region and only depicts mebers of the region so we know what the driving distance between cities which are important which aren't the capitol are for furtherment of the roleplaying; what's the problem? 'Specially because if I cut Stoklomolvi at the Caspian Sea he'd complain. There's no win.

Your territory can extend as far as you like off-map, as that would count as outside the region and thus outside of my jurisdiction! The new map will be up shortly, thank you for your patience!

I never said anything about "Asia", and there may not even be an "Asia" outside of EA. Any land inhabited resembling Asia may be due to the crazy portals that join the NS world together. Last time, it's a no, and that's it.
EA is not allowed to be depicted on any map which shows beyond the region, except Stok can of course include his EA territory as part of his national map.

OK, it's a no. What exactly are you prohibiting me from doing though? Obviously, I won't depict your nation. But what about other countries in the region? If they give me permission to feature a map of their country with other countries in the region, may I, provided I get that permission from every country mapped? It isn't the EA if you aren't on it. It's a # of countries in the EA.

No. Perhaps if the map had clear boundaries of where EA ended, but even then I would be reluctant to allow a second map created so soon after the region is founded. Nations may use it as an opportunity to expand their territory without my knowledge, and it definitely wont always be up to date. I am really tired of arguing over things like maps and territory for this region, and I'm honestly considering to ask for this thread to just be deleted. I just want a simple region where enough space is left for anyone to join, and to have room for enough nations as possible. I want it to be a region and not to be confused at all with an "Earth", and I'm just making these choices out of playability. If anyone disagrees with me then I can understand if they wish to leave the region, but I'm sure you all agree how frustrating it is being continually argued against over simple things. I'm sorry, please don't interpret this as a dig at anyone, I've tried to be as polite about all of this as possible. I've just had enough of the way this region is going.

Alright, break it up people.

Dutchy: Just forget the map. It's not worth it.

NP: As a concession, I don't care anymore about the territory in France. You see, the France I am speaking of is obviously not the one in EA. The France I'm talking about is obviously on a similarly shaped continent a bazillion miles away.

So, how about that trade line RP?

No. Perhaps if the map had clear boundaries of where EA ended, but even then I would be reluctant to allow a second map created so soon after the region is founded. Nations may use it as an opportunity to expand their territory without my knowledge, and it definitely wont always be up to date. I am really tired of arguing over things like maps and territory for this region, and I'm honestly considering to ask for this thread to just be deleted. I just want a simple region where enough space is left for anyone to join, and to have room for enough nations as possible. I want it to be a region and not to be confused at all with an "Earth", and I'm just making these choices out of playability. If anyone disagrees with me then I can understand if they wish to leave the region, but I'm sure you all agree how frustrating it is being continually argued against over simple things. I'm sorry, please don't interpret this as a dig at anyone, I've tried to be as polite about all of this as possible. I've just had enough of the way this region is going.

OK, no map. I understand your point of view, as A) You just wanted a European-based region with a european map made by you as the founder so that everything could be fair. Although I would not use it to expand territory, I can understand your lack of trust. The map in the OP will be the one and only map with more than one country and even then, national maps must conform to the borders laid out in the map in the OP. I am not trying to make it sound like you are being a dictator - you're not, you're just running the region, and I respect that. I can see how that last post was too far.

Alright, break it up people.

Dutchy: Just forget the map. It's not worth it.

NP: As a concession, I don't care anymore about the territory in France. You see, the France I am speaking of is obviously not the one in EA. The France I'm talking about is obviously on a similarly shaped continent a bazillion miles away.

So, how about that trade line RP?

Yeah, I know it's not worth it.

The trade line RP sounds fun but there is also the matter of the Atla. Is it in or out? For now, I will be changing the Kingdom's currency to the Atla. A Royal Decree is to accompany this should the Atla be in with other countries.

The trade line RP sounds fun but there is also the matter of the Atla. Is it in or out? For now, I will be changing the Kingdom's currency to the Atla. A Royal Decree is to accompany this should the Atla be in with other countries.
If we're just going to have different currencies with different values and designs I don't see what difference it would make to change from our current currencies. Also, as for trade what is everyone's stance on drugs like cocaine, heroin, etc. and weapons (short of nuclear bombs)? Because No Taxes trades heavily in these products and would like to be able to export these goods somewhat freely as part of a trade agreement.

I'm all up for the Atla, after all, not every EU nation has the Euro. So if you're changing yours now Dutchy then I'll definitely follow suit. I'll also post a trade RP tomorrow.

As for guns 'n' drugs, as long as it's not traded to the commercial sector then I don't see an problem with Pictavia's IC trade.

In order to remain an absolute monarch, the Dutch Monrachy has taken very liberal stances on many things. Private arms are allowed but the barrel has to be atleast 75 cm long from the trigger to the end in order to prevent abuse of rights and weapons like that are quite unwieldly. My citizens can smoke whatever they want as long as they don't give second-hand smoke or damage property. Also, tariffs basically make all imported products the same price the difference is what goes to the government and what goes to foreign investors.

If we're just going to have different currencies with different values and designs I don't see what difference it would make to change from our current currencies. Also, as for trade what is everyone's stance on drugs like cocaine, heroin, etc. and weapons (short of nuclear bombs)? Because No Taxes trades heavily in these products and would like to be able to export these goods somewhat freely as part of a trade agreement.

Things (besides the obvious, like cigars) that are legal:
Weed
Guns
Human Meat (Highly regulated cannibalism between two consenting people)
Prostitution
"Soft" drugs

Wow, I'm sorry I caused all of this. I should have specified that the map was mainly for my own use.

For the trade RP, can I RP Pirates? (http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9971/youareapirate5xb.swf)

That flash is utterly spasm-inducing xD.

I CAN'T STOP WATCHING!!!!!!

DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE! YOU ARE A PIRATE!

*ahem*

Wow, I'm sorry I caused all of this. I should have specified that the map was mainly for my own use.

Stokmolvi, you didn't cause any if this. I just happened to map your country on Google Maps with other countries in the region. Pictavia got upset because he doesn't want any other regional maps without his permission.

Correct the 75 cm barrels to 80 cm( 32 inches). I'm using base-4 & 16 instead of base-3, 8, 10 & 12 for my Dutch Imperial System.

Units

1 duim = 2.5 cm

16 duim = 1 voet

1 voet = 4 dm

4 voet = 1 yard

1 yard = 1.6 m

4 yard / 16 voet = 1 akker

1 akker = 6.4 m

4 akker / 16 yard = 1 rod

1 rod = 2.56 dam

4 rod / 16 akker = 1 furlong

1 furlong = 1.024 hm

4 furlong / 16 rod = 1 chain

1 chain = 4.096 hm

4 chain / 16 furlong = 1 mile

1 mile = 1.6384 km = 4 chain = 16 furlong = 64 rod = 256 akker = 1,024 yard = 4,096 voet = 65,536 duim

For the trade RP, can I RP Pirates? (http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/9971/youareapirate5xb.swf)

:D :D :D

[EDIT: As it seems we're having pirates then, I have no objection!]

Pictavia got upset because he doesn't want any other regional maps without his permission.

Technically I didn't get "upset" at that, I got pissed off from saying "no" with very polite and justifiable explanations fruitlessly hundreds of times in a row. Anyway, let's put this behind us and carry on with the trade RP, I've followed your example and adopted the 'Atlas', Dutchy.

I just opened up a store front, and I am offering a discount to EA nations. Later on, it'll just be AU members.

I'm quite impressed actually, it looks like you've gone to a lot of trouble for it. Also, would anyone like to start the trade RP, or shall I do it? I know I said I would tonight but it's coming up to 3 AM here and I have Uni tomorrow, so best bet is it will be up in under twelve hours unless someone else starts it. Hope that's OK, sorry guys.

Cool can't wait. Link it here please because i've got school tommorrow.

I would do it, but I don't know what direction to go with it.

OMFG IT's FRIDAY TOMORROW! I plan on adding a lot to the store.

Tomorrow is! Erm...uh...lundi, mardi, mercredi, jeudi, vendredi...vendredi...FRIDAY! YEAH!

Currently constructing the Trade RP thread, will be up in minutes!

*Edit*
Here we go (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13270761#post13270761), the link will also be posted on the first page. Hope it's okay, the first post's a bit short but I wasn't sure what to put.

Looks good, nice pictures.

I hope one day to be known as:
"See that Picts guy? He's got some pretty decent formatting and thread titles!"
:D

Technically I didn't get "upset" at that, I got pissed off from saying "no" with very polite and justifiable explanations fruitlessly hundreds of times in a row. Anyway, let's put this behind us and carry on with the trade RP, I've followed your example and adopted the 'Atlas', Dutchy.

Sorry to sound so mean. I didn't mean to. I saw that your currency is the Atla. But I have two more things about it to sort out.

A: We need to have vending machines recognize coins from different countries without allowing cheating. I think we should either have different number of sides (can't have even number of sides on a coin if vending machines need to recognize it.) in different Atlazone (yes, taken directly from Eurozone) countries or different sizes/patterns on coins. As patterns and sizes are helpful for the blind, I suggest different number of sides. I call 9 sides then. Any other ideas?

B: Currency sign. Do you want a unique currency sign for each country or one currency sign for all Atla's? If it is unique, I am using Ð. If we are to use one symbol, then I propose ª. It's the only 'special' a character I can produce without an accent besides @. Any better ones would be aprreciated unless everyone wants their own.

I just opened up a store front, and I am offering a discount to EA nations. Later on, it'll just be AU members.

I am going to check that out right now. It sounds good, especially if you're going Atla.

Looks good, nice pictures.

What he said. Good work, NP.

<snip>

Thanks, glad you like it.
As for the Atlas symbol, I guess it would have to be an "a" of some form. What I though would look good would be a symbol similar to the "Earth Glyph" (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:RtvVyAsIebXgrM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Stargate-earth-glyph.svg/600px-Stargate-earth-glyph.svg.png) from Stargate, although the font I found isn't showing up on my damn font list for some reason.

*Edit*
Onto the Trade RP, anyone wish to begin something there?

I switched to the Atla

Thanks, glad you like it.
As for the Atlas symbol, I guess it would have to be an "a" of some form. What I though would look good would be a symbol similar to the "Earth Glyph" (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:RtvVyAsIebXgrM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Stargate-earth-glyph.svg/600px-Stargate-earth-glyph.svg.png) from Stargate, although the font I found isn't showing up on my damn font list for some reason.

*Edit*
Onto the Trade RP, anyone wish to begin something there?

You mean like this; Å? It is ok, but still an accent. One currency sign makes it look more unified but easier to confuse countries. How about a letter before the Å to distinguish country? like PÅ for NP's Atla, DÅ for mine and YÅ for Yanitaria's?

Anyone else concerned about vending machines differentiating between different Atla's?

I switched to the Atla

Awesome!

I've been working on a national map. I'll edit it in as soon as this post passes.

Map of the Kingdom w/ important cities (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=115620551898211156477.000440a54a2a034672000&ll=51.549751,6.108398&spn=6.478444,14.80957&t=k&z=6&om=1)

Still a user of the stoklomov here: §. Simple, simple code: Alt+21.

ummm im making a new map for surailia itll encompass some of south france north Spain and possibly more of that territory annnnd you will get a new map of Europe with nicer borders....

So...basically you're joining the region? I'll TG you the password if you make that map.

OOC: May I ask, is there a updated map instead of the one in he first post?

OOC: No, none that I know of. May I ask why you inquire?

You may. Well, I am without a region now and, umm... I am kind of interested in this one...

OK, where shall your borders lie? The more the merrier is what NP wants - I think. He won't allow any map depicting several nations within the region besides the one in the OP, although No Taxes edited the map to show his borders so if you edit the OP map to mark your borders I'm sure it'll be fine. Also, I recommend you read all 12 pages.

EDIT: NP has arrived.

All newcomers: Please read the rules in the first post just so you're upto speed, then...

OP: The map in the first post is the most upto date, and you'd be more than welcome. Simply post your claim here.

Surailia: Send me a draft of where you want your borders and I'll probably shrink them a bit then upload them onto the first page =P

*Edit* What Dutchy said, he's pretty much got this region sorted! You don't need to read all the pages, but it'll help. Reading the entire first post should give ya an idea of what's going on though.

Np: Tg

*Edit* What Dutchy said, he's pretty much got this region sorted! You don't need to read all the pages, but it'll help. Reading the entire first post should give ya an idea of what's going on though.

lol NP. TY. Here is the first draft for the Treaty of Brussels. To be discussed OOCly for now.

Treaty of Brussels

§1 Atlantican Union Administration

Article 1
(1) This hereby forms the Atlantican Union (AU), a customs union.
(2) All signing states agree to the terms laid out in this treaty and join the customs union.
Article 2
(1) The Atlantican Union is to be governed by three pillars: The Atlantican Collective Economic Community (ACEC), Atlantican Foriegn and Security Council (AFSC) and Atlantican Judicial and Policing Force (AJPF).
(2) The ACEC will be responsible for the single market, competition law, economic and monetray integration, EU citizenship, atlantican trade networks, consumer protection, social, asylum and immigration policy and border controls.
(3) The AFSC will be responsible for foreign and security policy including:
- Foreign Aid
- AU battlegroups
- Peacekeeping
(4) The AJPF will be responsible for combating weapon and drug smuggling, terrorism, slavery, organised crime, bribery and fraud.
Article 3
(1) These branches are to be co-ordinated by the Atlantican Commission. Each signatory state will send a comissioner to be appointed. The commissioners will elect among themselves a president. Commissioners are to represent the Union.
(2) Each nation will elect two members by referendum to each branch. They will represent their country in each branch.
Article 4
(1) The legislature of the AU is hereby created.
(2) It shall be unicameral and each state will send members based on population. The minimum number of memebrs is 5 and the maximum is 99.
(3) They are to be paid 5 X (10 to the power of anything deemed sufficient which would not make them poor nor rich, so 10 to the power of 4 if the currency was about equal to the USD.)
Article 5
(1) Legislation passed is equal to national law of signatory states.
(2) No loopholes are to be created.
(3) A law passed must be passed by 55% of the members of Atlantican legislature (MALs) and represent 65% of the population of the AU.

§2 Economic Intergration

Article 1
(1) Every nation will change their currency cosmetically and legal tender in one signatory state becomes legal tender in all other signatory states with value based on exchange rates.
(2) The Atlantican Monetary Institute (AMI) is formed to monitor exchange rates and look when two or more member states can adopt the same currency and have banknotes be legal tender at face value in said states.
(3) When all signatory states have acheived this the AMI shall becvome the Atlantican Central Bank, replacing all national central banks of signatory states.
(4) In the meantime, the AMI will work with national central banks.

To Be Edited In.

(Ignore that TG I just sent you, Nova)

I'd like to join the region. If I could, a sizeable chunk of Finland (or just all of Finland, it it's not too much) right on the Gulf of Bothnia (I think that's right...) would be nice.

How does this Europe compare to the real one, size-wise?

Shouldn't be a problem at all, the regional password has been telegrammed to everyone. I'll update the map in a wonner once the Surailian and Oily Pratan claims have been clarified. Feel free to join the regional trading/general pirate fest RP that is listed on the first post in the meantime though!
~Picts

*Edit* Dutchy, the treaty's looking promising. I'll check it again in a half hour. You want help with it at all? Oh, and I've already got a logo for the AU, its a modified version of the current Portuguese's EU administration's logo. Link! (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/AU.png)

*Edit 2* Dutchy: Like the EEC before the full EU, I see!

Oily Prata would like to claim what is left of Norway and Sweden for it's homeland. Wer would like to do so so as to have a homeland with active neighbours for trade and support.
Thank you
OOC:Feel free to adjust my borders as you wish

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/europe3.jpg

here is a new eddited version of new Europe

im in green

I gave a map depicting today's political borders like that and was turned down because NP said it must be satellite images so borders are by rivers and mountains not france and germany.

*SQUEE*

OMFG LOOK AT MY ECONOMY!

*ahem*

Relegalizing cars turned me into a powerhouse. For the first time, less than 4% of people are unemployed!

Hookers and expensive beer for all!

Noooargh! I'm stuck on strong. ARGH!

*SQUEE*

OMFG LOOK AT MY ECONOMY!

*ahem*

Relegalizing cars turned me into a powerhouse. For the first time, less than 4% of people are unemployed!

Hookers and expensive beer for all!
You call that a good economy :p

well i think these maps are superior because you can get more detail into it....remember old countries before they became all anchored in their ways were based on borders...then unions...then Germany came and now its all locked in place.....anyways...i was planning on erasing all the borders...because its not based on borders mine is based on the provinces on france...and it was just easier to convert it this way.

my economy is slowely failing.....time to stop being too controling

You call that a good economy :p

You don't count! And yeah, after a steady decline from the lofty height of $9700 GDP per capita, I do believe that's a good area

Also, that new map leaves out 1/3 of Yanitaria's Anatolian claims. There is a link to a map in my signature. Although at least you got the Islands I own, which the previous map doesn't do. I like the satellite map more, though, because it's prettier

well.... can we have both......more is always better....unless its Desise....or siblings...damn money steelers.....

I'm pretty sure i got most of your country.....eventually i will make a super map.....but i' m too tired today.....

yani, message me when you begin your "new world order"

then i can go about organizing an underground railroad of sorts

and a sea side city called Kenora.....cause that city will be the awesome place where the sutff'll take place

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/zekosan/Untitleasdffafd-1.jpg
My claim
OOC: Left a link so as not to make my post too big.
^
NOT OFFICIAL MAP

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/Untitleasdffafd-1.jpg

OOC:fine i put my rough claims in, the red dots in the sea are my islands, for a more exact map...ask me

Surailia: your map is braking the page horribly, please take it down. Also, yet again Dutchy is correct. Political maps like that one only encourage European borders, and this is not Europe. Hence, the satellite map allows us to form borders along more realistic geographical characteristics. And of course, the main map lets me have control over borders, which I think is important during the founding of a region to avoid any sort of land-grab. When the region fills up I'll have no quarrel with a political map made by a long standing member of the region. Finally, the islands wont be added to the claim, please read the first post rules for information on colonies. Realistically speaking you wouldn't control so many Mediterranean isles either.

New map to be UL soon!

*Edit*
Surailia: your borders cut a very odd and unrealistic line. They bypass mountain ranges as if they weren't even there, cutting them in two. It would also leave a very strange piece of land likely to be claimed by no-one in between yourself and Dutchy. As such, If you want to create a nation in RL France without similar borders, I'd advise you either claimed the north or the south coast for simplicity's sake.

*Edit Again*
New map up! Surailia's borders are undefined, pending reclaiming.
Surailia: Could you also remove the edited version of my map above this one as people may think it is the most up to date EA map, thanks.

Due to a duoble and triple post by surailia, I believe I should edit in the proposed treaty here again, to be discussed OOCly. Also, I can't really see Torque on the original post map. If you could highlight the coast or something like that it would be helpful. Also, I am currently at Powerhouse and Yanitaria and I may temporarily adopt the same Atla until we reach Frightening to join No Taxes.

Treaty of Brussels

§1 Atlantican Union Administration

Article 1
(1) This hereby forms the Atlantican Union (AU), a customs union.
(2) All signing states agree to the terms laid out in this treaty and join the customs union.
Article 2
(1) The Atlantican Union is to be governed by three pillars: The Atlantican Collective Economic Community (ACEC), Atlantican Foriegn and Security Council (AFSC) and Atlantican Judicial and Policing Force (AJPF).
(2) The ACEC will be responsible for the single market, competition law, economic and monetray integration, EU citizenship, atlantican trade networks, consumer protection, social, asylum and immigration policy and border controls.
(3) The AFSC will be responsible for foreign and security policy including:
- Foreign Aid
- AU battlegroups
- Peacekeeping
(4) The AJPF will be responsible for combating weapon and drug smuggling, terrorism, slavery, organised crime, bribery and fraud.
Article 3
(1) These branches are to be co-ordinated by the Atlantican Commission. Each signatory state will send a comissioner to be appointed. The commissioners will elect among themselves a president. Commissioners are to represent the Union.
(2) Each nation will elect two members by referendum to each branch. They will represent their country in each branch.
Article 4
(1) The legislature of the AU is hereby created.
(2) It shall be unicameral and each state will send members based on population. The minimum number of memebrs is 5 and the maximum is 99.
(3) They are to be paid 5 X (10 to the power of anything deemed sufficient which would not make them poor nor rich, so 10 to the power of 4 if the currency was about equal to the USD.)
Article 5
(1) Legislation passed is equal to national law of signatory states.
(2) No loopholes are to be created.
(3) A law passed must be passed by 55% of the members of Atlantican legislature (MALs) and represent 65% of the population of the AU.

§2 Economic Intergration

Article 1
(1) Every nation will change their currency cosmetically and legal tender in one signatory state becomes legal tender in all other signatory states with value based on exchange rates.
(2) The Atlantican Monetary Institute (AMI) is formed to monitor exchange rates and look when two or more member states can adopt the same currency and have banknotes be legal tender at face value in said states.
(3) When the majourity of signatory states have acheived this the AMI shall becvome the Atlantican Central Bank (ACB), replacing all national central banks of signatory states who are up to par with the Atla's value. The AMI will work with remaining central banks until every signatory state is up to par.
(4) In the meantime, the AMI will work with national central banks.
(5) The ACB will do the work of national central banks.
Article 2
(1) This establishes the free movement of:
-Goods
-Persons
-Capital
over the borders of signatory states. It also establishes the freedom to provide services in any signatory state.
Article 3
(1) In order to join the customs union one must be ofone of the following UN categories in order to preserve freedom within the Union*:
-Right-Wing Utopia, Free Market Paradise, Conservative Democracy
-Inoffensive Centrist Democracy, Compulsory Consumerist State, Liberal Democratic Socialists
-New York Times Democracy, Coporate Bordello, Capitalist Paradise
-Anarchy, Capitalizt, Civil Rights Lovefest
-Benevolent Dictatorship, Left-Leaning College State, Left-Wing Utopia
-Libertarian Police State, Scandinavian Liberal Paradise
(2) They must meet these criteria when they sign the treaty but may change to an unaccepted category should it not raise any issues on the international stage.
Article 4
(1) The cosmetic changes to signatory states' currency shall include a name change to 'Atla'.
(2) While different Atla's have different values coins from different countries shall have different number of sides. This is so that it isn't possible to cheat vending machines. Bills from each country will have the country of origin's flag in the top left corner on each side and the reverse of each coin shall be the country of origin's flag in colour.
(3) Dementions of banknotes and coins shall be standardized throughout the AU though so that change to the common currency value will be as simple as removing the flags on bills and replacing the design of the reverse side of the coin.
Article 5
(1) Within the AU tariffs shall be set to 0%. Outside the AU, tariffs shall be set to 10% for beneficial trading to signatory states and forbiddening of re-exportation.
(2) The following products shall be the only products monitored within the AU:
-Narcotic Substances
-Firearms
This is due to differing policy on these items in various countries within the Europa Atlantica region.
(3)Passports are to be standardised within the AU
(4)Border checks are to be eliminated unless between signatory states of different policies on drugs and guns.

*This is based on a point system with 3 points given for high, 2 for medium and 1 for low in each freedom category ( political, civil and economical). Added up, these points must total atleast six. For example, Inoffensive Centrist Democracy is medium on all freedoms so 2+2+2 = 6 so it meets the requirements. Also, I apologize to Stoklomolvi and Oily prata for they do not meet the freedom requirements (4 points by the point system).

ooc: it shoulden't be crossing the mountains.....it should bypass south of the the mountains and can i still get Corsica?

ok i understand that the political map is created using political maps but i feel that it gives my counrty a little bit more of a real touch....can i please keep them....im sure we can justify the mountain crossing.....

im sorry for the difficulty i am new at this.....there is allot of stuff i have yet to learn


Edit*

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are these better????

It's still something of an oddity, cutting through mountains like that. I'll upload a map of what I think borders would run like to optimize the region. As for the map on page 13, it's still breaking the page so can you take it down? And you can have a political map of your own nation fine, just not one of the entire region showing the borders of other regional members, as it would surely be out of date and inaccurate with time.

*Edit* New map is up. Surailia, your borders have been altered for regional accuracy and efficiency, now please remove the image on page 13. Thanks!

*Another Edit* Surailia, please don't double or triple post unless it is necessary, and don't say sorry for being new to this either :p It's a learning curve, and pretty good if you read over Echo's II Compass among the other stickies. I am quite controlling at the beginning when it comes to things like this, but that's just to keep the region in check and I plan to relax it once it gets a little older. Either way, we're all new once, so don't worry about it mate!

I wish to know Surailia's stances on drugs and firearms as here in the Kingdom, anyone can smoke/sniff/inject whatever they want as long as they don't effect others without the consent of others. Firearms with barrel lengths of over 80 cm are allowed but anything under that and they are not allowed, and registration of said weapons is required.

Treaty of Brussels

§1 Atlantican Union Administration

Article 1
(1) This hereby forms the Atlantican Union (AU), a customs union.
(2) All signing states agree to the terms laid out in this treaty and join the customs union.
Article 2
(1) The Atlantican Union is to be governed by three pillars: The Atlantican Collective Economic Community (ACEC), Atlantican Foriegn and Security Council (AFSC) and Atlantican Judicial and Policing Force (AJPF).
(2) The ACEC will be responsible for the single market, competition law, economic and monetray integration, EU citizenship, atlantican trade networks, consumer protection, social, asylum and immigration policy and border controls.
(3) The AFSC will be responsible for foreign and security policy including:
- Foreign Aid
- AU battlegroups
- Peacekeeping
(4) The AJPF will be responsible for combating weapon and drug smuggling, terrorism, slavery, organised crime, bribery and fraud.
Article 3
(1) These branches are to be co-ordinated by the Atlantican Commission. Each signatory state will send a comissioner to be appointed. The commissioners will elect among themselves a president. Commissioners are to represent the Union.
(2) Each nation will elect two members by referendum to each branch. They will represent their country in each branch.
Article 4
(1) The legislature of the AU is hereby created.
(2) It shall be unicameral and each state will send members based on population. The minimum number of memebrs is 5 and the maximum is 99.
(3) They are to be paid 5 X (10 to the power of anything deemed sufficient which would not make them poor nor rich, so 10 to the power of 4 if the currency was about equal to the USD.)
Article 5
(1) Legislation passed is equal to national law of signatory states.
(2) No loopholes are to be created.
(3) A law passed must be passed by 65% of the members of Atlantican legislature (MALs) and represent 70% of the population of the AU.

§2 Economic Intergration

Article 1
(1) Every nation will change their currency cosmetically and legal tender in one signatory state becomes legal tender in all other signatory states with value based on exchange rates.
(2) The Atlantican Monetary Institute (AMI) is formed to monitor exchange rates and look when two or more member states can adopt the same currency and have banknotes be legal tender at face value in said states.
(3) When the majourity of signatory states have acheived this the AMI shall becvome the Atlantican Central Bank (ACB), replacing all national central banks of signatory states who are up to par with the Atla's value. The AMI will work with remaining central banks until every signatory state is up to par.
(4) In the meantime, the AMI will work with national central banks.
(5) The ACB will do the work of national central banks.
Article 2
(1) This establishes the free movement of:
-Goods
-Persons
-Capital
over the borders of signatory states. It also establishes the freedom to provide services in any signatory state.
Article 3
(1) In order to join the customs union one must be ofone of the following UN categories in order to preserve freedom within the Union*:
-Right-Wing Utopia, Free Market Paradise, Conservative Democracy
-Inoffensive Centrist Democracy, Compulsory Consumerist State, Liberal Democratic Socialists
-New York Times Democracy, Coporate Bordello, Capitalist Paradise
-Anarchy, Capitalizt, Civil Rights Lovefest
-Benevolent Dictatorship, Left-Leaning College State, Left-Wing Utopia
-Libertarian Police State, Scandinavian Liberal Paradise
(2) They must meet these criteria when they sign the treaty but may change to an unaccepted category should it not raise any issues on the international stage.
Article 4
(1) The cosmetic changes to signatory states' currency shall include a name change to 'Atla'.
(2) While different Atla's have different values coins from different countries shall have different number of sides. This is so that it isn't possible to cheat vending machines. Bills from each country will have the country of origin's flag in the top left corner on each side and the reverse of each coin shall be the country of origin's flag in colour.
(3) Dementions of banknotes and coins shall be standardized throughout the AU though so that change to the common currency value will be as simple as removing the flags on bills and replacing the design of the reverse side of the coin.
Article 5
(1) Within the AU tariffs shall be set to 0%. Outside the AU, tariffs shall be set to 10% for beneficial trading to signatory states and forbiddening of re-exportation.
(2) The following products shall be the only products monitored within the AU:
-Narcotic Substances
-Firearms
This is due to differing policy on these items in various countries within the Europa Atlantica region.
(3)Passports are to be standardised within the AU
(4)Border checks are to be eliminated unless between signatory states of different policies on drugs and guns.

§3 Powers of the AFSC and AJPF

Article 1
(1) All data about crimes commited in signatory states shall be directed to the AJPF computer to re-direct to all police dtatbanks.
(2) This includes information on past crimes and criminal records
Article 2
(1) Should a police officer notice a criminal from another AU country crossing an AU border or within a foreign signatory state territory he may chase said criminal to apprehend him and bring him to the crime's country of origin to be tried in the court of law.
(2) Should a police officer cross an AU border in pursuit of a criminal s/he may continue chasing for 100 km before having to radio in local police.
(3) Police radios over all AU countris shall be made to recivie and send messages to the radios of all other AU police officials within 100 km.


To Be Edited In


*This is based on a point system with 3 points given for high, 2 for medium and 1 for low in each freedom category ( political, civil and economical). Added up, these points must total atleast six. For example, Inoffensive Centrist Democracy is medium on all freedoms so 2+2+2 = 6 so it meets the requirements. Also, I apologize to Stoklomolvi and Oily prata for they do not meet the freedom requirements (4 points by the point system).

Article 2
(2) The ACEC will be responsible for the single market, competition law, economic and monetray integration, EU citizenship, atlantican trade networks, consumer protection, social, asylum and immigration policy and border controls.
Article 4
(2) It shall be unicameral and each state will send members based on population. The minimum number of memebrs is 5 and the maximum is 99.

§2 Economic Intergration

Article 1
(1) Every nation will change their currency cosmetically and legal tender in one signatory state becomes legal tender in all other signatory states with value based on exchange rates.
(2) The Atlantican Monetary Institute (AMI) is formed to monitor exchange rates and look when two or more member states can adopt the same currency and have banknotes be legal tender at face value in said states.
(3) When the majourity of signatory states have acheived this the AMI shall becvome the Atlantican Central Bank (ACB), replacing all national central banks of signatory states who are up to par with the Atla's value. The AMI will work with remaining central banks until every signatory state is up to par.
(4) In the meantime, the AMI will work with national central banks.
(5) The ACB will do the work of national central banks.
Article 2
(1) This establishes the free movement of:
-Goods
-Persons
-Capital
over the borders of signatory states. It also establishes the freedom to provide services in any signatory state.
Article 4
(1) The cosmetic changes to signatory states' currency shall include a name change to 'Atla'.
(2) While different Atla's have different values coins from different countries shall have different number of sides. This is so that it isn't possible to cheat vending machines. Bills from each country will have the country of origin's flag in the top left corner on each side and the reverse of each coin shall be the country of origin's flag in colour.
(3) Dementions of banknotes and coins shall be standardized throughout the AU though so that change to the common currency value will be as simple as removing the flags on bills and replacing the design of the reverse side of the coin.
Article 5
(1) Within the AU tariffs shall be set to 0%. Outside the AU, tariffs shall be set to 10% for beneficial trading to signatory states and forbiddening of re-exportation.

Below are the main things that I have problems with (along with most of the stuff that I quoted):

If there is a free movement of goods, capital and people, then I think there could be major problems with migratory workers and immigrants coming to work in No Taxes in order to be payed in Libs, take advantage of the 0% income tax rate and have a better chance of finding a job (because of some of the vast differences in economies, taxation and labor laws), which would flood the low-wage labor market in No Taxes, depressing wages and sending large numbers of Libs back to other countries depressing the Lib.

Also, I am concerned that this could also lead to a flood of companies moving to No Taxes, once again because of the stronger economy, lower taxes, and lack of labor laws (or too many laws at all). This would greatly hurt the economies of the other nations in the AU with their economies quickly becoming based heavily on manufacturing cheap goods to sell in No Taxes because of the difference in currency values and that this would further depress wages in the other AU nations.

I am furthermore of the opinion that membership in the legislature should be based on least partly on GDP (:p) since in the modern political system the nation with more GDP tends to have more influence on both political and economic systems.

I still don't see why I need to change my currency cosmetically if there will still be differences in values.

Also, No Taxes doesn't really have a singular central bank at this point that determines economic policy and doesn't really want to have a regional central bank with power over the economy of No Taxes.

Additionally, No Taxes already maintains zero tariffs with all other nations and would like to keep it this way.

Either way you did a great job writing this, Benelux, most of my disagreements are due to the sometimes odd policies of my nation and the huge economic imbalances in the region.

Article 5
(1) Legislation passed is equal to national law of signatory states.
(2) No loopholes are to be created.
(3) A law passed must be passed by 55% of the members of Atlantican legislature (MALs) and represent 65% of the population of the AU
OOC: In my humble opinion, 55% is too low a number to prevent any malpractice in the MALs. I suggest at least 65% representation with a representation of 70% of the population.

Below are the main things that I have problems with (along with most of the stuff that I quoted):

If there is a free movement of goods, capital and people, then I think there could be major problems with migratory workers and immigrants coming to work in No Taxes in order to be payed in Libs, take advantage of the 0% income tax rate and have a better chance of finding a job (because of some of the vast differences in economies, taxation and labor laws), which would flood the low-wage labor market in No Taxes, depressing wages and sending large numbers of Libs back to other countries depressing the Lib.

Also, I am concerned that this could also lead to a flood of companies moving to No Taxes, once again because of the stronger economy, lower taxes, and lack of labor laws (or too many laws at all). This would greatly hurt the economies of the other nations in the AU with their economies quickly becoming based heavily on manufacturing cheap goods to sell in No Taxes because of the difference in currency values and that this would further depress wages in the other AU nations.

I am furthermore of the opinion that membership in the legislature should be based on least partly on GDP (:p) since in the modern political system the nation with more GDP tends to have more influence on both political and economic systems.

I still don't see why I need to change my currency cosmetically if there will still be differences in values.

Also, No Taxes doesn't really have a singular central bank at this point that determines economic policy and doesn't really want to have a regional central bank with power over the economy of No Taxes.

Additionally, No Taxes already maintains zero tariffs with all other nations and would like to keep it this way.

Either way you did a great job writing this, Benelux, most of my disagreements are due to the sometimes odd policies of my nation and the huge economic imbalances in the region.

You have no obligation to sign it, and personally I find your policies the best. (Uiri is my main nation.)

GDP = Power becuase US = High Power and High GDP but there isn't a cause effect relationship.

The free movement of economic activities is what is based in the EU. Keep in mind it is not the one with the highest exchange rate but the one with the highest purchasing power.

I think labour would move to the poorest country in the AU and would sell everywhere else.

As for currency, you may not change your currency until everyone is par with yours. No central bank? How does your currency work?

How about 5% tariff?

OP: I will change it right away.

Surailia legalized Recreational Drugs But are strictly regulated/policed (like alcohol) and those who seem to be developing an addiction are required to do 60 days of Re-Hab public inebriation is illegal and can vary in punishment from a fine to 10 years (life is rare but happens)

any Drug imports into surailia need to be checked at the border and are taxed in a big way(....we don't like drugs but will let you do it cause who are we to say you cant...)


as for guns its illegal to own an unregistered firearm of any sort and it is illegal to carry it in public without viable reason no exceptions

as for the AU i'm not sure it'll fit my country very well care to explain a little of the philosophy.....is it the EU in alternate universe talk??


Reason my nation is so weird:

part of the history of surailia involves a union between 2 families and X kingdoms creating the surailian empire now these kingdoms are the states in surailia (SUPER IMPORTANT) and thats why we can cut mountains....and its not like i'm drawing in islands speaking of which is it like a huge faux pas to want Corsica and the islands in the South.....

You have no obligation to sign it, and personally I find your policies the best. (Uiri is my main nation.)

GDP = Power becuase US = High Power and High GDP but there isn't a cause effect relationship.

The free movement of economic activities is what is based in the EU. Keep in mind it is not the one with the highest exchange rate but the one with the highest purchasing power.

I think labour would move to the poorest country in the AU and would sell everywhere else.

As for currency, you may not change your currency until everyone is par with yours. No central bank? How does your currency work?

How about 5% tariff?

OP: I will change it right away.


Percisely. Take Monaco for example. It's got a high GDP, but who gives a shit about what hey think? Except maybe for Monte Carlo gamblers.

You have no obligation to sign it, and personally I find your policies the best. (Uiri is my main nation.)

GDP = Power becuase US = High Power and High GDP but there isn't a cause effect relationship.

The free movement of economic activities is what is based in the EU. Keep in mind it is not the one with the highest exchange rate but the one with the highest purchasing power.

I think labour would move to the poorest country in the AU and would sell everywhere else.

As for currency, you may not change your currency until everyone is par with yours. No central bank? How does your currency work?

How about 5% tariff?

OP: I will change it right away.
Unskilled Labour might move to the poorest country but I think business and skilled labour would move to the richest country. When I said no central bank, I meant no federally run single institution that manages things. A group of the biggest banks and lenders meets together to determine interest rates, while a floating currency is used, the value of which is determined by international markets. As for the printing of currency, that is done by several federally run mints. As for the tariff, can't an exception be made for my nation, so that everyone else has tariff rates of 10% against the outside world while I don't have tariffs. My consumers like their cheap goods.

Percisely. Take Monaco for example. It's got a high GDP, but who gives a shit about what hey think? Except maybe for Monte Carlo gamblers.
Monaco has a high GDP per capita, not GDP. The highest total GDP's are the US, Japan, China and Germany. And in this region my total GDP is bigger than the rest of the region combined.

how do we go about finding GDP?

cause i'm wondering if there is a set way for finding these things cause i also have a huge surplus on my Taxes

how do we go about finding GDP?

cause i'm wondering if there is a set way for finding these things cause i also have a huge surplus on my Taxes

nstracker.jfsoftware.com/

Surailia legalized Recreational Drugs But are strictly regulated/policed (like alcohol) and those who seem to be developing an addiction are required to do 60 days of Re-Hab public inebriation is illegal and can vary in punishment from a fine to 10 years (life is rare but happens)

any Drug imports into surailia need to be checked at the border and are taxed in a big way(....we don't like drugs but will let you do it cause who are we to say you cant...)


as for guns its illegal to own an unregistered firearm of any sort and it is illegal to carry it in public without viable reason no exceptions

as for the AU i'm not sure it'll fit my country very well care to explain a little of the philosophy.....is it the EU in alternate universe talk??


Reason my nation is so weird:

part of the history of surailia involves a union between 2 families and X kingdoms creating the surailian empire now these kingdoms are the states in surailia (SUPER IMPORTANT) and thats why we can cut mountains....and its not like i'm drawing in islands speaking of which is it like a huge faux pas to want Corsica and the islands in the South.....

So...gun registry can be shared and drugs will be allowed to cross borders?
Yeah, AU = our region's EU.

Unskilled Labour might move to the poorest country but I think business and skilled labour would move to the richest country. When I said no central bank, I meant no federally run single institution that manages things. A group of the biggest banks and lenders meets together to determine interest rates, while a floating currency is used, the value of which is determined by international markets. As for the printing of currency, that is done by several federally run mints. As for the tariff, can't an exception be made for my nation, so that everyone else has tariff rates of 10% against the outside world while I don't have tariffs. My consumers like their cheap goods.

Ahh..ok that works too. I am thinking a special agreement will have to be made because people will use No Taxes as a middleman to get less taxes into other AU countries and without a central bank it will also need special currency arrangements.

Monaco has a high GDP per capita, not GDP. The highest total GDP's are the US, Japan, China and Germany. And in this region my total GDP is bigger than the rest of the region combined.

Notice how all those countries also have huge populations? High GDP has more than a casual relationship with high population.

how do we go about finding GDP?

cause i'm wondering if there is a set way for finding these things cause i also have a huge surplus on my Taxes

here (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=surailia)

nstracker.jfsoftware.com/

Horrible calculator.

Ahh..ok that works too. I am thinking a special agreement will have to be made because people will use No Taxes as a middleman to get less taxes into other AU countries and without a central bank it will also need special currency arrangements.



Notice how all those countries also have huge populations? High GDP has more than a casual relationship with high population.

If nothing else, I have to maintain zero tariffs with members of the Corporate Alliance. I don't really care too much and don't want to debate too much more on this but Germany and Japan have relatively small populations especially compared to nations like India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Indonesia, etc.

Oh wow. I had no idea NSEconomy was fixed. I thought it was broken...

If nothing else, I have to maintain zero tariffs with members of the Corporate Alliance. I don't really care too much and don't to debate too much more on this but Germany and Japan have relatively small populations especially compared to nations like India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Indonesia, etc.

Well, Japan maybe not, but Germany has the largest in EU. 5% with corporate allince, 0% with AU, 10% with everyone else.

Oh wow. I had no idea NSEconomy was fixed. I thought it was broken...


Me too. It was working since a few days ago.

Well, Japan maybe not, but Germany has the largest in EU. 5% with corporate allince, 0% with AU, 10% with everyone else.




Me too. It was working since a few days ago.
I personally like this calculator: NS dossier (http://nsdossier.texasregion.net/main.aspx)

For Tariffs, 0% with CA, 0% with AU, 5% with everyone else. To stop people from sending in goods through No Taxes, the rest of the AU could have a tariff on my goods, or simply on goods that I mark as foreign.

So, place of origin marked for applicable tariffs? Sounds good to me. It'll be a special agreement though. 10% with everyone else. I might have to go so don't expect much more of a post until tomorrow.

thats all good (assuming that is on top of government imposed Tarrifs (like my drug tax?)

Just thought I should let it be known, My President is dead (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13281722#post13281722). Any IC interaction with the government will have to wait until tomorrow, when I put in a new one.

WHY are all of the leaders DYING?!

WHY are all of the leaders DYING?!

Because it doesn't make sense if they all just go and play with bunnies while another group takes power:p.

thats all good (assuming that is on top of government imposed Tarrifs (like my drug tax?)

Aren't tariffs for goods which are imported for sale? Assuming all drugs are bought in the Kingdom and then druggies cross the border but just smoke it in their car with no windows open, would there be a fee or not? If so, which fees for which drugs. Main ones in the Dutch Kingdom is Marijuana and Ecstacy.

Just thought I should let it be known, My President is dead (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13281722#post13281722). Any IC interaction with the government will have to wait until tomorrow, when I put in a new one.

I knew this was going to happen, so is my King in limbo to get the President or what?

WHY are all of the leaders DYING?!

It's always a fun fiasco.

Because it doesn't make sense if they all just go and play with bunnies while another group takes power:p.

lol

Again, for OOC discussion. I assume we'll need a semi-special agreement with No Taxes. Rendering §2,Article 5, Subsection 1 null and void and instead replacing it with:

§2
Article 5
(1)No Taxes will set tariffs to countries of the AU and Corporate Alliance to 0% and any good imported into No Taxes from countries who are from either of those international organizations will have a label saying "Imported with 0% Tariff from [Corporate Alliance/Atlantican Union] depending on whether it was imported from the Corporate Alliance or Atlantican Union so that states who are a member of the other organization can charge appropriate tariffs. It may say "Imported with 0% Tariff from Corporate Alliance&Atlantican Union" if the product is imported from a member state of both organizations.


Treaty of Brussels

§1 Atlantican Union Administration

Article 1
(1) This hereby forms the Atlantican Union (AU), a customs union.
(2) All signing states agree to the terms laid out in this treaty and join the customs union.
Article 2
(1) The Atlantican Union is to be governed by three pillars: The Atlantican Collective Economic Community (ACEC), Atlantican Foriegn and Security Council (AFSC) and Atlantican Judicial and Policing Force (AJPF).
(2) The ACEC will be responsible for the single market, competition law, economic and monetray integration, EU citizenship, atlantican trade networks, consumer protection, social, asylum and immigration policy and border controls.
(3) The AFSC will be responsible for foreign and security policy including:
- Foreign Aid
- AU battlegroups
- Peacekeeping
(4) The AJPF will be responsible for combating weapon and drug smuggling, terrorism, slavery, organised crime, bribery and fraud.
Article 3
(1) These branches are to be co-ordinated by the Atlantican Commission. Each signatory state will send a comissioner to be appointed. The commissioners will elect among themselves a president. Commissioners are to represent the Union.
(2) Each nation will elect two members by referendum to each branch. They will represent their country in each branch.
Article 4
(1) The legislature of the AU is hereby created.
(2) It shall be unicameral and each state will send members based on population. The minimum number of memebrs is 5 and the maximum is 99.
(3) They are to be paid 5 X (10 to the power of anything deemed sufficient which would not make them poor nor rich, so 10 to the power of 4 if the currency was about equal to the USD.)
Article 5
(1) Legislation passed is equal to national law of signatory states.
(2) No loopholes are to be created.
(3) A law passed must be passed by 65% of the members of Atlantican legislature (MALs) and represent 70% of the population of the AU.

§2 Economic Intergration

Article 1
(1) Every nation will change their currency cosmetically and legal tender in one signatory state becomes legal tender in all other signatory states with value based on exchange rates.
(2) The Atlantican Monetary Institute (AMI) is formed to monitor exchange rates and look when two or more member states can adopt the same currency and have banknotes be legal tender at face value in said states.
(3) When the majourity of signatory states have acheived this the AMI shall becvome the Atlantican Central Bank (ACB), replacing all national central banks of signatory states who are up to par with the Atla's value. The AMI will work with remaining central banks until every signatory state is up to par.
(4) In the meantime, the AMI will work with national central banks.
(5) The ACB will do the work of national central banks.
Article 2
(1) This establishes the free movement of:
-Goods
-Persons
-Capital
over the borders of signatory states. It also establishes the freedom to provide services in any signatory state.
Article 3
(1) In order to join the customs union one must be ofone of the following UN categories in order to preserve freedom within the Union*:
-Right-Wing Utopia, Free Market Paradise, Conservative Democracy
-Inoffensive Centrist Democracy, Compulsory Consumerist State, Liberal Democratic Socialists
-New York Times Democracy, Coporate Bordello, Capitalist Paradise
-Anarchy, Capitalizt, Civil Rights Lovefest
-Benevolent Dictatorship, Left-Leaning College State, Left-Wing Utopia
-Libertarian Police State, Scandinavian Liberal Paradise
(2) They must meet these criteria when they sign the treaty but may change to an unaccepted category should it not raise any issues on the international stage.
Article 4
(1) The cosmetic changes to signatory states' currency shall include a name change to 'Atla'.
(2) While different Atla's have different values coins from different countries shall have different number of sides. This is so that it isn't possible to cheat vending machines. Bills from each country will have the country of origin's flag in the top left corner on each side and the reverse of each coin shall be the country of origin's flag in colour.
(3) Dementions of banknotes and coins shall be standardized throughout the AU though so that change to the common currency value will be as simple as removing the flags on bills and replacing the design of the reverse side of the coin.
Article 5
(1) Within the AU tariffs shall be set to 0%. Outside the AU, tariffs shall be set to 10% for beneficial trading to signatory states and forbiddening of re-exportation.
(2) The following products shall be the only products monitored within the AU:
-Narcotic Substances
-Firearms
This is due to differing policy on these items in various countries within the Europa Atlantica region.
(3)Passports are to be standardised within the AU
(4)Border checks are to be eliminated unless between signatory states of different policies on drugs and guns.

§3 Powers of the AFSC and AJPF

Article 1
(1) All data about crimes commited in signatory states shall be directed to the AJPF computer to re-direct to all police dtatbanks.
(2) This includes information on past crimes and criminal records
Article 2
(1) Should a police officer notice a criminal from another AU country crossing an AU border or within a foreign signatory state territory he may chase said criminal to apprehend him and bring him to the crime's country of origin to be tried in the court of law.
(2) Should a police officer cross an AU border in pursuit of a criminal s/he may continue chasing for 100 km before having to radio in local police.
(3) Police radios over all AU countris shall be made to recivie and send messages to the radios of all other AU police officials within 100 km.


To Be Edited In


*This is based on a point system with 3 points given for high, 2 for medium and 1 for low in each freedom category ( political, civil and economical). Added up, these points must total atleast six. For example, Inoffensive Centrist Democracy is medium on all freedoms so 2+2+2 = 6 so it meets the requirements. Also, I apologize to Stoklomolvi and Oily prata for they do not meet the freedom requirements (4 points by the point system).

Is any one using greece and crete? if not i claim them :p

I do believe that Yanitaria goes a tiny, tiny bit into the eastern most portion of greece, near the Turkish border, but no, no one has formally claimed Greece. FYI, Crete is part of Greece. I think you can pretty much go ahead and claim the rest of the Balkan peninsula then.

I knew this was going to happen, so is my King in limbo to get the President or what?

The phone call will be put through to Parliament. They will be camping out in the Parliament building until the new president will be chosen

if he gets Crete i get Corsica...and sardinia...as for the islands by yanitaria i get one...just because i need one for the RP i hope to have with him

I do believe that Yanitaria goes a tiny, tiny bit into the eastern most portion of greece, near the Turkish border, but no, no one has formally claimed Greece. FYI, Crete is part of Greece. I think you can pretty much go ahead and claim the rest of the Balkan peninsula then.

Oh ok, cheers its just i was skimming through and heard a few of you had already claimed territories around there. so how do i go about this i'm rather new to it all?

I do believe that Yanitaria goes a tiny, tiny bit into the eastern most portion of greece, near the Turkish border, but no, no one has formally claimed Greece. FYI, Crete is part of Greece. I think you can pretty much go ahead and claim the rest of the Balkan peninsula then.

I have claimed the Islands of Lemnos, Lesbos, and all that are between them and the mainland. I have also claimed the Turkish owned Eastern Thrace.

To NP and Hectonia

NP, I noticed that the EA map leaves out a few islands. Could you change it to reflect my official map?

Hectonia, these would be the islands claimed in my official map.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/ItsAllGreekToMe.png

So how would everyone feel if the land area of my part of the region is scaled up by about 50 times. The map will still look the same except for the fact that upon entering my country the scale increases by 50. Otherwise I would have a population density close to 15,000 people per square kilometer. :p

lets just say as our country all ways has a density of what like 20 ppl per km2

and i would like to note that for now at least i have claims on samos and Rhodes islands

Monaco has a high GDP per capita, not GDP. The highest total GDP's are the US, Japan, China and Germany. And in this region my total GDP is bigger than the rest of the region combined.

You're right, my mistake. Still, territory, population, and other fators are equally important in determining influene. Russia's GDP isn't exactly huge, but since it has a large territory, military, and a good deal of power inherited as the successor state to the USSR, it has considerable foriegn influence.

unlike Belarus and the Ukraine...they just got the shi* radiated outa them

the Ukraine's defiantly got the short end of the stick in the USSR

The phone call will be put through to Parliament. They will be camping out in the Parliament building until the new president will be chosen

OK then.

So how would everyone feel if the land area of my part of the region is scaled up by about 50 times. The map will still look the same except for the fact that upon entering my country the scale increases by 50. Otherwise I would have a population density close to 15,000 people per square kilometer. :p

We're ignoring population factors, according to NP. I assume you're fine with the clause which replaces section 2, article 5 statement 1 for No Taxes?

I have claimed the Islands of Lemnos, Lesbos, and all that are between them and the mainland. I have also claimed the Turkish owned Eastern Thrace.

To NP and Hectonia

NP, I noticed that the EA map leaves out a few islands. Could you change it to reflect my official map.


Sounds fine, although I thought your border went into a little of mainland Greece. I guess I was wrong.

Oh ok, cheers its just i was skimming through and heard a few of you had already claimed territories around there. so how do i go about this i'm rather new to it all?

Just say what you claim and ask Nova Pictavia (NP) to edit your claim into the map. I suggest you claim what is unclaimed of the balkans because I doubt anyone would want a landlocked country if they can avoid it.

if he gets Crete i get Corsica...and sardinia...as for the islands by yanitaria i get one...just because i need one for the RP i hope to have with him

What business do you have being so far from home. That would have to be captured probably. Corsica seems logical as it is French, Sardinia is debatable.

lets just say as our country all ways has a density of what like 20 ppl per km2

and i would like to note that for now at least i have claims on samos and Rhodes islands

20 ppl/ square km is very very low. The world population density is 34/ square km so I'd say 150/square km sounds right for the region.

well thats why i' m asking for permission from the region for 2 small islands.... and Corsica i dono think of it as a purchase from another nation....like Alaska...its nowhere near the us but its a state you know i could be asking for a piece of turkey.....if that is better a small sliver of Turkish soil with a yanitarian border would be good.....fantastic even

I may agree to the tariffs, but as of right now I won't be signing the entire treaty.

well thats why i' m asking for permission from the region for 2 small islands.... and Corsica i dono think of it as a purchase from another nation....like Alaska...its nowhere near the us but its a state you know i could be asking for a piece of turkey.....if that is better a small sliver of Turkish soil with a yanitarian border would be good.....fantastic even

Then you can't get it until someone owns that piece of land to buy it off them.

I may agree to the tariffs, but as of right now I won't be signing the entire treaty.

OK then.

can i have previously conquered it in the middle ages?

can i have previously conquered it in the middle ages?

No. You want it, you'll have to wait till it's occupied then conquer/purchase it later. Please read the rules, especially the rule regarding colonies. Last time I'm going to say it.

alright you cant blame me for trying

hey, NP, noticed you changed the map. Thanks!

If someone occupies northern Russia, could I invade him/her and steal his land?

If someone occupies northern Russia, could I invade him/her and steal his land?
I could certainly use the growing room, but aren't we not suppose to expand until the region is full?

That's why I said "if someone occupies northern Russia", but I see your point. I could still declare wars and such, though. We would all prefer it if you didn't, since you could take ALL of us on and still have left over to eat.

If someone occupies northern Russia, could I invade him/her and steal his land?

BAD Stoklomolvi! Imperialism is WRONG! *wraps up news paper, and hit's Stoklomolvi on the nose*

Silly communists, when will they learn? (for lulz! I only kid!)

I could certainly use the growing room, but aren't we not suppose to expand until the region is full?

*Silently regrets having boarder with No Taxes*

*Falls onto a land mine...*

AHHH! *Flies into China*

With all seriousness, No Taxes is an anarchy, though a huge-ass powerhouse anarchy at hat. It's "border", by the way.

*Falls onto a land mine...*

AHHH! *Flies into China*

With all seriousness, No Taxes is an anarchy, though a huge-ass powerhouse anarchy at hat. It's "border", by the way.
Normally I am actually capitalizt, by the way being in this region has brought my GDP per capita down by 2000 dollars.

With all seriousness, No Taxes is an anarchy, though a huge-ass powerhouse anarchy at hat. It's "border", by the way.

How embarrassing for me. Now I have to correct almost every post I ever made...

BAD Stoklomolvi! Imperialism is WRONG! *wraps up news paper, and hit's Stoklomolvi on the nose*

Silly communists, when will they learn? (for lulz! I only kid!)



*Silently regrets having boarder with No Taxes*

ROFL! :D

But yeah, if you want you can invade anyone you like so long as they're willing to acknowledge the war of course.

Picts, I'm gonna reply in your Imperium thread a little later this afternoon. Don't thinkI've forgotten about that.

Normally I am actually capitalizt, by the way being in this region has brought my GDP per capita down by 2000 dollars.

Oh jeez, 45k per capita, SOOOOO horrible.

And btw, Stok, I think the reason your economy is only Strong is that you pour too much into Police and Military only 2% of your budget goes to commerce.

I have a couple questions for the region.

1. What are the subdivisions of your country? (for example, provinces, states, cantons, duchies, etc.)

2. What would everyone feel about a regional embassy exchange thread?


The Dutch Kingdom is divided into 'provinces' although technically they are duchies. The 23 members of the royal household (not counting the King himself) govern these twenty-three provinces. The heir to the throne is the Grand Duke of East Luxembourg. Notice the grand part because it is a special region in that it was annexed by the Kingdom in the early 1900's. East Luxembourg used to be just Luxembourg but there was a province already called Luxembourg so it became West Luxembourg and the annexed territory became East Luxembourg. Each province is divided into municipalities and the inhabitants elect Mayors who are the only democratically elected officials in the Kingdom.

I believe that a regional embassy thread would be good because it is easier for members of intraregional inhabitants to declare war on a country within the region than extraregional inhabitants and thus, positive diplomatic relations are even more important within the region.

Also, a question to Surailia which was never answered:

What are your drug taxes for Marijuana and Ecstasy? Dutch citizens probably wouldn't sellit and only keep it for personal use.

Provinces (yeah, I know, it should be the United Socialist Provinces of Yanitaria, but that's not an option)

I'm neutral on a regional embassy program.

I have a couple questions for the region.

1. What are the subdivisions of your country? (for example, provinces, states, cantons, duchies, etc.)

2. What would everyone feel about a regional embassy exchange thread?

No Taxes is divided into regions, that each have quite a bit of power over their internal affairs and thus divide themselves into all manner of duchies, provinces and districts in various fashions.

I would be fine with a regional embassy exchange thread.

I would like to join. My national claim would sit north of Stoklomolvi, and its western boarder would start at the coast near the third inlet up from the bottom of that bay where that big peninsula sticks back east, and run in a jagged fashion Southeasterly to the the firsts bump, after the firsts indentation of Stoklomolvi border from the East. My people will be well situated there.