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I'm active more so in the EA forums than here. i could pop in here more often if you would prefer.

I'm active more so in the EA forums than here. i could pop in here more often if you would prefer.

Nope, whatever you like. I think replying that fast proves you're active :P

Nope, whatever you like. I think replying that fast proves you're active :P

hehe, i suppose i should really post more now anyway:D. has that war with Yanitaria and Akimonad kicked off yet?

Any of you new nations got factbooks/embassies? If so please send link so I can tag them.

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I totally agree. Some small nations are good, and allow for a more RP diplomacy, since they obviously can't stand up to the older nations, but too many and nobody will respect EA.

OOC: Would it be possible for me to acquire the area of southern France still left open on the map? Thankyou.

Uh-oh. More New Nations are signing up. I agree that small nations add a essence of reality to the Roleplay. Not every nation has at least A hundred million or more. But this is NS and not RL.

S'alright, I understand, I'm just wary about brand new nations joining under the banner of an existing nation, as it seems as though they were created solely for the purpose of being a protectorate and thus an extension of Soviet territory. After all, we could all just ask a mate to create a nation and claim territory with the intent of handing it over to us in the end, it sorta bypasses the fair claims bit.

Nevertheless, I'd like to give Blakn and Anselmus a trial period in the region, as I think would be a decent policy for new players (as we do seem to have an influx of them). Just to see how they play, how active they are et cetera. Both of you, look to your TG's.

Also, Dutchy, is Miamoria ever active in the regional or II? I've not seen anything from him since he joined and it is prime territory he's inhabiting. It's just the brief for the region is very definite in saying that it is for nations active in II. I've not seen Hectonia around much either...

EDIT: Anselmus and Blakn have been TG'd with an invite to join the region for a trial period, although I'm still unsure of Blakn as it looks increasingly like (as in the nation's title) Blakn was created specifically for the purpose of being a Soviet protectorate, be it by another player. So, if Blakn isn't active or independent as described then don't be offended if I reverse my decision. The only way to be fair is to see how you do in EA.

Secondly, I'm getting a bit concerned that with the influx of new players, EA is in danger of becoming a "noob farm", so to speak. As such, I'll only be accepting new nations who are well-written/presented or have examples of prior Rp'ing in the future.

It may seem tough, but while I respect that NS is a learning curve, I still want a majority of experienced RP'ers to maintain the quality of the region.

Any questions?

Miamoria got a virus on his computer and couldn't get on until he gets virus protection. He was last on on Friday and I think he must've sneaked on. I haven't seen him IRL for a few days either.

As for the region becoming a noob farm - I think we should give all those european microstates which haven't been claimed to them like Andorra (if neither ----Kenny---- nor Bithunia has a problem with that) or Monaco or Malta or San Marino or Vatican City or Cyprus. And Leichenstein if Calzorinstan and No taxes don't mind. And if we really need to we can create more squished between existing borders or on the coast if anyone say invites their friend when the friend is still under say 100 mil or so.

That's my two cents.

I'd like to hang on to Andorra for now

OOC: Would it be possible for me to acquire the area of southern France still left open on the map? Thankyou.

[EDIT: Couldn't help but wonder if you're already a nation whose created that account specifically for the region? If so, you better not already have a nation in EA!]

Since that's your first post, and we do have a lot of small nations, I'd prefer to see you around and about the forums and gaining some RP experience before joining. But by all means, come back in a month or so and let us know how you're doing if you're still interested.

DRB: That's cool, thanks for letting me know. Does anyone think Calizorinstan would miss Switzerland per say? :p
I've not seen him around the region at all lately, and I think he still has a map of California in his sig anyway... Heh...

DRB: That's cool, thanks for letting me know. Does anyone think Calizorinstan would miss Switzerland per say? :p
I've not seen him around the region at all lately, and I think he still has a map of California in his sig anyway... Heh...


I would ask and give him some time to respond first

I would ask and give him some time to respond first

T'was a joke, was referring to giving newbies small bits o' land.
Although I doubt he'd notice... :rolleyes:

Perhaps the smaller countries that we insert should be in random places as opposed to RL European countries. I mean, everyone else's borders are largely random so additional countries might as well be too, no?

Yagghh, we need more small nations.

Mebbe some more ethnic diversity, too. I'd like to see a Greek nation pop up, heh.

Sorta like Hectonia or that new nation in france?

What with the recent influx of threads that seem to be EA only, not to mention the immensely annoying stigma I've gotten of late, if you can answer me a couple of questions I'd like to join with a newly-created nation.

1) Is there a constant tech level?
2) Assuming that the map in the first post is up-to-date, will the fact this new nation is a new nation have any bearing on it's territory?
3) Who are the main players?

Huh, less questions than I thought.

Maybe? I know that Hectonia occupies Greece, but I don't know anything about their cultural identity.

Anselmus - Bithynia - the nation in France Yani was referring to - is a Jewish Greek Nation.

McPsychoville - Nova Pictavia has final authority on the proper answers although from what I can gather the answers would be:

1) (P)MT
2) It shouldn't although to be on the safe side I wouldn't take more than around 70,000 km squared.
3) In my opinion:

Myself
Yanitaria
Nova Pictavia
Stoklomolvi
The Beatus
Binaria
Oily Prata
Corbournne

I do believe Nova Pictavia should approve your nation as long as ICly it is unrelated to your own nation. This nation and West Scandia are ICly unrelated puppets of Uiri and Kirav respectively and are completely fine within the region.

Yep, it's got bugger all to do with us. In that case, if it's approved, we'd like to take that expanse of land east of Kabavian; it should be nice and warm and it offers expansionary prospects

Hey McPsychoville, please don't nuke me to plate glass. Thank you.

[EDIT: Couldn't help but wonder if you're already a nation whose created that account specifically for the region? If so, you better not already have a nation in EA!]

Since that's your first post, and we do have a lot of small nations, I'd prefer to see you around and about the forums and gaining some RP experience before joining. But by all means, come back in a month or so and let us know how you're doing if you're still interested.

This nation is actually a puppet of my regular nation Kalbekistan - who I tried to gain a slot for some time in the last few weeks - as I would like to participate in an active region with neighbours to my country.

Examples of my RPing can be found HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=549498) and HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=549101) for you to examine my literary levels on this forum.

To point out, Lyon France is another nation I have started, my regular nation being Kalbekistan. These nations do not have and will continue not to have any contact between them. I just wished to start a nation that could fit onto the EA continent to RP with.

EDIT: Moderator posting thing did not allow me to post a moment ago, so there will be another message saying Lyon France is a 'puppet' nation of Kalbekistan, by which I mean what I have mentioned above.

Due to a bush crash at my school (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/19/school.bus.crash.ap/index.html) that killed four people i knew and injured others. I am going to leave NS and the draftroom for the next week so i can have some time to clear my head. I got off that bus less than 10 minutes before the crash. I hope you all understand.

Due to a bush crash at my school (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/19/school.bus.crash.ap/index.html) that killed four people i knew and injured others. I am going to leave NS and the draftroom for the next week so i can have some time to clear my head. I got off that bus less than 10 minutes before the crash. I hope you all understand.

Nay problem mate, take your time.

To point out, Lyon France is another nation I have started, my regular nation being Kalbekistan. These nations do not have and will continue not to have any contact between them. I just wished to start a nation that could fit onto the EA continent to RP with.

EDIT: Moderator posting thing did not allow me to post a moment ago, so there will be another message saying Lyon France is a 'puppet' nation of Kalbekistan, by which I mean what I have mentioned above.

We've got a lot of puppets in the region already. I'd prefer original nations so to speak from now on, since puppets aren't necessarily so active.

Yep, it's got bugger all to do with us. In that case, if it's approved, we'd like to take that expanse of land east of Kabavian; it should be nice and warm and it offers expansionary prospects

I don't know what Dutchy was meaning, but you need some sort of IC reason for inhabiting whatever area of a mirror of Europe. Either way, it's a no I'm afraid, because I've seen and been informed of quite a few "controversial" posts from yourself.

Kal wanted the land below mine, though he told me that you rejected it. However, with the recent opening of the territories, is there any chance that he can join as a nation that extends off the map?

Kal wanted the land below mine, though he told me that you rejected it. However, with the recent opening of the territories, is there any chance that he can join as a nation that extends off the map?

Yeah I remember, but I'd rather keep the region to within the region. If Kal wishes to claim another portion of territory on the map I'd be more than happy to let him join.
Otherwise, I'm thinking about the puppet thing but there's quite a few around already..

Hey, Picts, do you still have the physical/borders map of EA?

Hey, Picts, do you still have the physical/borders map of EA?

Check the link in the first post or in the message boards for the new political map, although there isn't an up-to-date satellite/hybrid version. Also, please note that we have two trial members inhabiting Italy and Turkey that are not marked on the map.

~Picts

Check the link in the first post or in the message boards for the new political map, although there isn't an up-to-date satellite/hybrid version. Also, please note that we have two trial members inhabiting Italy and Turkey that are not marked on the map.

~Picts

Do you have a link to even an old satellite or hybrid one? I'm just going to be using it for my own national purposes.

Here's (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/EAPoliticalMapMkXVIII.png)the latest version of the hybrid, although it's been discontinued by the political. (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/EuropaAtlanticaPoliticalIV.png) Most people have actually started using Google earth, too, but here's (http://www.worldcountries.info/Maps/Region/Europe_satellite_globe.jpeg) a blank version of the original map if you need it.

Right, I'm off, so enjoy your weekend and don't cause any trouble! I left a post in the Leader's Bar of the regional boards explaining what I'm talking about.

See you all later,
~Picts

So wait, where is my Nation on this map? Is it an old one?

Here's (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/EAPoliticalMapMkXVIII.png)the latest version of the hybrid, although it's been discontinued by the political. (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/EuropaAtlanticaPoliticalIV.png) Most people have actually started using Google earth, too, but here's (http://www.worldcountries.info/Maps/Region/Europe_satellite_globe.jpeg) a blank version of the original map if you need it.

Right, I'm off, so enjoy your weekend and don't cause any trouble! I left a post in the Leader's Bar of the regional boards explaining what I'm talking about.

See you all later,
~Picts

Thanks.

So wait, where is my Nation on this map? Is it an old one?

Nowhere. Yes.

Nowhere. Yes. Thank you.

Thank you.

No problem.

Too quiet these days...http://209.85.62.26/html/emoticons/dry.gif

I know what you mean. You'd think with over 20 countries it would be somewhat more popular.

I don't know what Dutchy was meaning, but you need some sort of IC reason for inhabiting whatever area of a mirror of Europe. Either way, it's a no I'm afraid, because I've seen and been informed of quite a few "controversial" posts from yourself.

Ah, the very stigma I was trying to get away from is what stops me from getting in. I do love some good irony.

We have plenty of activity on the Forums.

There are still significantly more nations in RL Europe than Europa Atlantica.

All nations in RL Europe are significant due to the nature of RL politics. There's many more small ones too.

Yes, but here, a number of small nations would simply be invaded.

I think those of us who are that douchebaggy would probably balanced out by those of us who would intervene on behalf of those small nations.

Maybe? I know that Hectonia occupies Greece, but I don't know anything about their cultural identity.

Hectonia is mostly Anglo-Greek heritage; i could post a bit about our history if you wish.

with reguards to smaller nations- i wouldn't mind the extra leg room. :D

Anything new?

Not really. Seems like everything has ground to a halt.

*Screech*

*covers ears*

darn, when things grind to a halt they sure to make annoying high-pitched noises...

Pretty dead.

Gee, guys. One might think we're just subtlely bumping...

Nah, the region's nearly full, and only a few select nations will be allowed in...

Gee, guys. One might think we're just subtlely bumping...

no, not really.

^^^^
No! Don't bring that here!

Update:
The new map is up, and a banner competition for the boards is on. Ready?

GO!

Yay, I'm on the map! I'll have a go at the banner competition as soon as my computer ceases having issues...

OOC: I know it's been stated before that you don't want any more "noob" states in the region, but I would like to see if I could gain entrance. I've been around NS for a long while now under a previous nation that was deleted and just recently came back.

If you do give me access then I ask to please have the nation west of Beatus.

Thank you,

Morgaviti

OOC: I know it's been stated before that you don't want any more "noob" states in the region, but I would like to see if I could gain entrance. I've been around NS for a long while now under a previous nation that was deleted and just recently came back.

If you do give me access then I ask to please have the nation west of Beatus.

Thank you,

Morgaviti

Which nation is that?

WooHoo! A new neighbor for me to invade!

It is part of Western Russia

*Eyes the new land lovingly...bwahaha*

Hey, keep your eyes of what will soon be Beatusian Territory.

*Eyes the new land lovingly...bwahaha*

It is part of Western Russia

Kirav means what nation were you before it got deleted.

Kirav means what nation were you before it got deleted.

Thanks. Morgiland, a country of about 1.5 billion.

Perhaps you could resurrect it? Also, you and I have the same flag. Not cool.

It says in the intro post that population isn't an issue and will be ignored.

Alright, I've been restored. Given the large population could I request the neighboring nation in addition to the previous one?

A fellow commie! You'll like it in Eastern EA.

I'm aware of that, I selected the one nation previously because of my small population and didn't want to over-extend myself.

A fellow commie! You'll like it in Eastern EA.

That's what I was hoping for...

Inoffensive Centrist Democratic commies, no less. Impressive.

Watches as small nation on border becomes ginormous communist nation. Orders all troops to the western border as a precautionary action, and quickly calls for assistance from rest of NOP. Panic sets in.

Watches as small nation on border becomes ginormous communist nation. Orders all troops to the western border as a precautionary action, and quickly calls for assistance from rest of NOP. Panic sets in.

You've got nothing to worry about...

Oh dear, a nation suddenly grew huge. Well, there goes my plan. NP, I bet you're happy now.

Well, at least you're communist. That's a big plus. I feel panicked anyway.

Another neighbor, there goes the buffer zone, now where am I going to dump my reactor waste?

Communists, yeah EA has some of those, one more won't hurt :)

Edit: new trade opportunities?

The Kingdom of Kabavian is announcing its membership with The New Oslo Pact. We believe that this will benefit our country as we will gain protection, improve trade with Yanitaria and other members of the New Oslo Pact, and gain a greater access to new technology.

Ministry of Military and Defense
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg13/kabavian/AlidKabihr-1.jpg
Alid Kabihr

Oh, good. Now who's in the NOP?

Morgiland: While you are an older, pretty big nation, your post count is relatively low. As I said I am after more experienced RP'ers on NS, but I'd be happy to look at any RP you've taken part in that you can find.

Cheers,
~Picts

[Edit: Also, I think the mods limit signatures on NS to eight regular lines, as I have been in trouble before for having mine too long.]

The Kingdom of Kabavian is announcing its membership with The New Oslo Pact. We believe that this will benefit our country as we will gain protection, improve trade with Yanitaria and other members of the New Oslo Pact, and gain a greater access to new technology.

Ministry of Military and Defense
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg13/kabavian/AlidKabihr-1.jpg
Alid Kabihr

OOC: Eh, Brian, I told you to post in the New Oslo Pact thread, not the EA thread

Oh, good. Now who's in the NOP?

In its most basic form a communist alliance

In its most basic form a communist alliance

It has nothing to do with Communism, economic systems have nothing to do with the alliance, it is about mutual protection, defense, and trade. The best point of this would be us, a capitalist nation, and a member.

In its most basic form a communist alliance

How does it have ANYTHING to do with communism? Seriously, I challenge you to point out one part of the charter that promotes communism.

In its most basic form a communist alliance

It has nothing to do with Communism, economic systems have nothing to do with the alliance, it is about mutual protection, defense, and trade. The best point of this would be us, a capitalist nation, and a member.

Or us, a libertarian consumer state.

Pfft, typical angry commies. :rolleyes:

I believe he's referring to Stok, Soviet and Oily being commy, alongside the fact Yani wants a hammer and sickle in his new flag.

Pfft, typical commies. :rolleyes:

Thems fighten words sonnie!

Thems fighten words sonnie!

*Rolls up sleeves, begins to circle fists*

Care to engage in fisticuffs, ol' chap?

*Rolls up sleeves, begins to circle fists*

Care to engage in fisticuffs, ol' chap?

Speak American you darn Brit, you keep this up, it'll be a dual youl be in for.

Morgiland has been here before us; I think he knows how to RP.

Yeah, but he has got a small post count so I wouldn't mind taking a look. Also, Amboss has been given a trial week although I doubt there'll be any problems at all.

Hey, Boothby and Beatus aren't. Both start with B :p .

*Pulls out old cane*

Yer, sonny, I'm going to beat you to the stone age!

Morgiland has been here before us; I think he knows how to RP.

Speak American you darn Brit, you keep this up, it'll be a dual youl be in for.

Them Brits and Irish are pretty damn good at fighting. Trust me, I've got the scars. **points to scar on chest bearing an uncanny resemblance to Queen Victoria's profile**

Them Brits and Irish are pretty damn good at fighting. Trust me, I've got the scars. **points to scar on chest bearing an uncanny resemblance to Queen Victoria's profile**

That's what my colt .45s for**Unholsters revolver**

That's what my colt .45s for**Unholsters revolver**

Aye, we red-blooded Americans do have better, and more [90 guns/100 pop] guns. And a Consitution giving us the right to have them!

**raises 70-star flag while surrendering to Beatus**

Hurrah for Amboss!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=504707&page=3

There should be a little in the next page as well...And If you need more, I can find it.

Ello, May I claim the rest of Turkey and that Isreal area? If not both I will take the rest of Turkey with those nice islands. :)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=504707&page=3

There should be a little in the next page as well...And If you need more, I can find it.

Yer in. I'll TG you the details when I come across some sort of miraculous source of energy. In the meantime, I'll just TG you the password.

Welcome to the region, mate.
~Picts

I was asking which nations are in the NOP...

Yer in. I'll TG you the details when I come across some sort of miraculous source of energy. In the meantime, I'll just TG you the password.

Welcome to the region, mate.
~Picts

Thanks alot!

AMBOSS! Blitzkrieg, post faster next time!

Lightning War, post faster next time? :)

Woah! Why did my post jump ahead of yours? xD

Surailia and Blakn aren't in the region. Blakn lost his access to the internet for a good while, although I'm keeping him inside the region OOCly just in case.

Also, by special request,
The Atlantican Union (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550682)

AMBOSS! Blitzkrieg, post faster next time!

Anselmus, NOP:
Yanitaria
The Beatus
The House of Boothby
oil prata
Soviet Aissur
blakn
Kabavian
Orbath
Surailia (NP doesn't recognise him)
Stoklomolvi

AMBOSS! Blitzkrieg, post faster next time!

Anselmus, NOP:
Yanitaria
The Beatus
The House of Boothby
oil prata
Soviet Aissur
blakn
Kabavian
Orbath
Surailia (NP doesn't recognise him)
Stoklomolvi

Am I actually considered part of NOP? I always assumed I was just an outsider providing aid.

Am I being ignored?

That's a lot. Ok. Did Blakn pass his trial period?

Stok, you don't use your messenger! :(

Amboss: I TG'd you a while ago with the regional password amongst other things.

Anselmus: Blakn no longer has regular internet access, so cannot be part of the IC region. As I said though it's perfectly fine for him to stay in the actual NS region just in case he comes back.

I accuse the AU of purely being there to counter the NOP's growing popularity.;):p

Naw, COLD WAR! =@

Also I've been posting, there's just a big warp-storm on Jolt right now. Amboss was TG'd earlier today with the password et cetera.

Orbath, you aren't de jure part of NOP, but de facto you have done enough for the NOP that you can be sort of considered part of the NOP while not really since you haven't officially registered there.

I accuse the AU of purely being there to counter the NOP's growing popularity.;):p

Amboss, you're there, though NP seems to be AFK or something.

Amboss, what territory are you claiming? Keeping in mind that Morgiland has just claimed the plot west of The Beatus.

Them Brits and Irish are pretty damn good at fighting. Trust me, I've got the scars. **points to scar on chest bearing an uncanny resemblance to Queen Victoria's profile**

That's what's good about americans, they are too lazy to fight you when they can just shoot you.

Amboss, what territory are you claiming? Keeping in mind that Morgiland has just claimed the plot west of The Beatus.

Already said, Rest of Turkey and that Israel area.

Oh, darn, GIANT Warp Storm.

Scotty, how are the engines?

"*CRRRRK, THEY CANNA TAKE IT ANEH MORE, CA'TAIN!"

Orbath, you aren't de jure part of NOP, but de facto you have done enough for the NOP that you can be sort of considered part of the NOP while not really since you haven't officially registered there.

I accuse the AU of purely being there to counter the NOP's growing popularity.;):p

Amboss, you're there, though NP seems to be AFK or something.

Orbath, you aren't part of the NOP, but since the NOP is more like a club, for this group of friends we have, than anything else, we think of you as a member in all but membership.

Already said, Rest of Turkey and that Israel area.

One or the other for the moment, please.

All right... Turkey it is. :)

All right... Turkey it is. :)

Goodstuff, it's yours. I'll update the map now.

"Is Hungry a country?"

"I thought Europe was a country!"

"Is mayonnaise an instrument?"

"What...is the capital of Assyria?"

"What...is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?"

"I am NOT the messiah!"

Pause.

"Only the true messiah would say that he isn't the messiah!"

Cheer cheer.

"All right then I AM the messiah."

"HE'S THE MESSIAH!"

Welcome Amboss and Morgi

Welcome Amboss and Morgi

Thank 'ya

Welcome Amboss and Morgiland



"What...is the capital of Assyria?"

Ninevah


"What...is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?"

Depends, Kabavian or Atlantican?

Depends, Kabavian or Atlantican?

ROFL.

got more room left?

See the map on the first post, however we're looking for players with a bit more experience at the moment since territory is growing scarce.

What? I don't know tha- AHHHH!

* Stoklomolvi falls into a massive pit.

Welcome, Amboss and Morgiland.

got more room left?

guess no room for me then:(

okay i understand

Sorry mate, no hard feelings. It's just how I said; we're looking for slightly older more experienced nations now.

guess no room for me then:(

okay i understand

How come Amboss gets in but Megalithon doesn't?

SWEET! Morgi moves in next door and I get an island in the White Sea!! Territorial expansion mauw!

You are communist, correct?

SWEET! Morgi moves in next door and I get an island in the White Sea!! Territorial expansion mauw!

Nah, he isn't. I am, and so is Yanitaria and Soviet Aissur. Oily prata also is communist. You're communist, correct? If so, then hurrah!

Nah, he isn't. I am, and so is Yanitaria and Soviet Aissur. Oily prata also is communist. You're communist, correct? If so, then hurrah!

Me and Norsikia are democratic socialists.

You are communist, correct?

No, The House of Boothby is a constitutional monarchy which is ruled with a libertarian philosophy. As such we are rather accepting of all other nations and their governmental forms, as long as they do not infringe on our sovereignty.

Important News for all EA members:

Click Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13487550&postcount=7)

Uh, what?

Uh, what?

Beatus is pulling out of the NOP due to New Pictavia's establishment of the AU. He is basically with calling his citizens from all NOP and AU nations as he sees the establishment of the AU as predictory of war.

I personally do not see it that way. The NOP does not strong arm smaller nations into it, nor does the NOP infringe on the sovereignty of any nation (NOP or otherwise). As such I find it hard to believe that any nations would join the AU, whose stated aim is to destroy the NOP. The HOB views this as nothing less then warmongering and would urge unaligned nations to seek peace rather then conflict.

Can some one make a political map showing who's in what alliance i'm so confused right now

Beatus is pulling out of the NOP due to New Pictavia's establishment of the AU. He is basically with calling his citizens from all NOP and AU nations as he sees the establishment of the AU as predictory of war.

I personally do not see it that way. The NOP does not strong arm smaller nations into it, nor does the NOP infringe on the sovereignty of any nation (NOP or otherwise). As such I find it hard to believe that any nations would join the AU, whose stated aim is to destroy the NOP. The HOB views this as nothing less then warmongering and would urge unaligned nations to seek peace rather then conflict.

The stated aim of the AU is far from the destruction of the NOP. It is much more than a military alliance, but also an economic one, much like the NOP. However, as the NOP charter includes military aspects, so does the AU. The threat of the massive military alliance within our region is what drove us to create the AU. How dare you accuse of of warmongering? To claim that we are any more offensive-minded than the NOP is both hypocrisy and idiocy.

So does the AU support the existence of the NOP?

Not an offical source, but no.

So does the AU support the existence of the NOP?

I cannot give an official opinion for all of the Atlantican Union, but the position of the Anselmian government is this: Ideally, there would be no need for any mutual defense pacts between any nations because there would be absolutely no threat from external forces. Another option would be that every nation in Europa Atlantica would sign an agreement binding all of them to the same international law. However, that cannot be the case as some nations to not wish to have such codified ties to others. Unfortunately, neither of those conditions is likely to be met. So under a perceived threat from the West, nations of the East unified under the New Oslo Pact. While offering many economic members to others, the alliance is also very military in nature. Anselmus, while wishing to remain at peace with every nation, began to feel threatened by the expansion of the New Oslo Pact because of the aforementioned military aspects of it.

Because of said expansion, Anselmus chose ally itself with other non-NOP nations not only for defense, but also because we find ourselves more culturally affiliated with these nations and because Anselmus finds irreconcilable ideological differences between herself and many NOP nations.

The bottom line is that while Anselmus whole-heartedly supports economic communities, it regards the birth of a large military alliance in the region as the greatest possible threat to her sovereignty, considering the total lack of a reasonable threat from Western countries to provoke the creation of such an alliance.

As I said in my previous post, that would be the ideal situation.

But why not form one EA wide alliance that spans everything?

Because that's boring :p

But why not form one EA wide alliance that spans everything?

But why not form one EA wide alliance that spans everything?

Yes, while the AU claims that its aim is not the destruction of the NOP, nearly every line of the introduction and preamble is peppered with anti-NOP sentiment.

If the true aim was to secure peace in the region the AU would try to incorporate the NOP rather then isolate and alienate its members.

How New Pictavia has set up the AU, it leaves any current or past NOP member with very few options: we cannot join the AU, but the AU is opposed to our being members of the NOP.

In essence, the AU is outlawing all alliances other then itself and trying to condemn all nations that do not kowtow to the AU.

There is but one verse of one article that conveys this message. Anselmus will propose to have it struck from the charter.

As a concession to the point made by our friends and neighbors the House of Boothby, Anselmus resigns its brief membership in the AU until the matter of our concern is resolved.

...the oppressive grasp of the New Oslo Pact consumes eastern Europa Atlantica in red. One by one, smaller eastern states are subdued into the NOP's empire, until the west lies in the ever looming shadow...

...stand against those to our east...

...All prospective signatories must be completely independent and hold no formal alliances with any member of the New Oslo Pact...


...All AU Nations reserve the right for first strike tactics against enemy states...

...The entirety of the Atlantican Union must stand united in the face of the NOP. Each member state must be committed to the pacification of all states hostile to the AU, with the ultimate goal of becoming the sole power bloc within Europa Atlantica...



Here are several passages that the HOB finds either: purely false, opening aggressive, or otherwise disturbing. Special attention should be paid to the final statement, which we see no way of reconciling ourselves with.

As a concession to the point made by our friends and neighbors the House of Boothby, Anselmus resigns its brief membership in the AU until the matter of our concern is resolved.

The HOB thanks you for your cool headedness and would hope other nations could act in kind. We can work through this peacefully, but drawing up battle lines will do nobody any good.

I cannot give an official opinion for all of the Atlantican Union, but the position of the Anselmian government is this: Ideally, there would be no need for any mutual defense pacts between any nations because there would be absolutely no threat from external forces. Another option would be that every nation in Europa Atlantica would sign an agreement binding all of them to the same international law. However, that cannot be the case as some nations to not wish to have such codified ties to others. Unfortunately, neither of those conditions is likely to be met. So under a perceived threat from the West, nations of the East unified under the New Oslo Pact. While offering many economic members to others, the alliance is also very military in nature. Anselmus, while wishing to remain at peace with every nation, began to feel threatened by the expansion of the New Oslo Pact because of the aforementioned military aspects of it.

Because of said expansion, Anselmus chose ally itself with other non-NOP nations not only for defense, but also because we find ourselves more culturally affiliated with these nations and because Anselmus finds irreconcilable ideological differences between herself and many NOP nations.

The bottom line is that while Anselmus whole-heartedly supports economic communities, it regards the birth of a large military alliance in the region as the greatest possible threat to her sovereignty, considering the total lack of a reasonable threat from Western countries to provoke the creation of such an alliance.

I think this is a really good idea, stating our government's IC position so everyone knows where were at, I'm going to do the same.

AU
Orbath sees the AU as an alliance which takes the basic principles of an alliance created for economic gain and military security and mixes it with ''somewhat militaristic tendencies,'' specifically towards nations of NOP but also towards communism. The former bothers Orbath because NOP consists of their allies and some very close allies. The latter doesn't bother Orbath because Orbath is not communist.

The ''Cold War'' & Hostilities
Orbath believes NP to be the ''bad guy'' (Obviously) and thinks that NP is militaristic. Orbath does not wish for offensive conflict but will defend its allies at all costs.

NOP
Orbath believes NOP is simply a peaceful organization with its main goals to increase diplomacy, trade and promote defense. Orbath believes the alliance has good intentions, though others seem to see differently.

Remember these are my government's IC views presented in an OOC format. My OOC views are neutral...I have no problem with NP, members of the AU or members of NOP.

My actual OOC attitude towards NP declined a bit during the UC incident, since he apparently did not acknowledge any work or the number of manhours I put into describing my nation and its government in my factbook. I'm fine with him now, though ICly I still hate him more than anything else in EA.

AU

Stoklomolvi sees this alliance as merely a band of nations against NOP, and serves essentially no other purpose. Noting aggressive attitudes throughout the AU charter, Stoklomolvi was horrified when it saw that it was determined to completely destroy the NOP, something that the NOP would not do to the AU.

Cold War

Stoklomolvi believes that there would be no Cold War if Nova Pictavia backed down from its attitude of superiority towards the rest of EA. It seems to have subjugated every member of the Silver Imperium, since the populations of the two "Silver Republics" are 35 billion, which would assume that no other member state of the SI have any sovereignty.

NOP

Stoklomolvi sees the NOP as a defensive and economic alliance designed to protect its members, not attack. There shall be no pre-emptive strikes originating from the NOP unless another nation has already declared war and is merely preparing; the NOP would then assault the other nation when it is still vulnerable, though would stand its ground after that.

Not much to say; I'm biased. Very much.

How come Amboss gets in but Megalithon doesn't?

Amboss actually had quite a bit of Rp'ing expirience, compared to Megalithon's fifty or so posts.

Can some one make a political map showing who's in what alliance i'm so confused right now

I have one, which I'll put up in the forums at some point.

Because that's boring :p

Exactly. Does nobody else want to have fun in the region? Would everyone prefer if we sat around doing nothing? The AU was created for nations who did not want to join the NOP, as the size of the alliance is undoubtedly threatening through its many military aspects. Why would people not just be in one alliance? Well the NOP's not everyone's cup of tea, simply put.

Yes, while the AU claims that its aim is not the destruction of the NOP, nearly every line of the introduction and preamble is peppered with anti-NOP sentiment.

If the true aim was to secure peace in the region the AU would try to incorporate the NOP rather then isolate and alienate its members.

How New Pictavia has set up the AU, it leaves any current or past NOP member with very few options: we cannot join the AU, but the AU is opposed to our being members of the NOP.

In essence, the AU is outlawing all alliances other then itself and trying to condemn all nations that do not kowtow to the AU.

Actually, the AU just doesn't want to be the underdog in the face of a militarily superior bloc. Simple strategic policy. Also, the whole NOP/AU Cold war part is just a bit of fun, which seems to have totally gone over most folk's heads.

My actual OOC attitude towards NP declined a bit during the UC incident, since he apparently did not acknowledge any work or the number of manhours I put into describing my nation and its government in my factbook. I'm fine with him now, though ICly I still hate him more than anything else in EA.

AU

Stoklomolvi sees this alliance as merely a band of nations against NOP, and serves essentially no other purpose. Noting aggressive attitudes throughout the AU charter, Stoklomolvi was horrified when it saw that it was determined to completely destroy the NOP, something that the NOP would not do to the AU.

Cold War

Stoklomolvi believes that there would be no Cold War if Nova Pictavia backed down from its attitude of superiority towards the rest of EA. It seems to have subjugated every member of the Silver Imperium, since the populations of the two "Silver Republics" are 35 billion, which would assume that no other member state of the SI have any sovereignty.

NOP

Stoklomolvi sees the NOP as a defensive and economic alliance designed to protect its members, not attack. There shall be no pre-emptive strikes originating from the NOP unless another nation has already declared war and is merely preparing; the NOP would then assault the other nation when it is still vulnerable, though would stand its ground after that.

Not much to say; I'm biased. Very much.

As I have said many times before, Stok was chucked out of the UC because your NS page showed that you simply favoured the economy over the environment, and you were unwilling to allocate more environmental spending to offset it. It is quite simple really, the UC was an environmental alliance for Nationstates, that is the game, and if I do recall correctly Stoklomolvi did not perform well at all during the last environmental UN inspections. I play the game according to the game, and that's it.

Also, no state has been subjugated into the Imperium, their admittance was voluntary, and their sovereignty is not in question whatsoever. Also, I've never claimed the 39-40 Billion figure as Pictavia's population, but as the Imperium's (as in the alliance, the Silver Imperium), a fact that everyone seems to have missed.

The NOP seems to jump every smaller nation that enters the region, or creates an IC alliance as a result of OOC friends. We have a perfect right to form our own alliance in the face of a military superpower growing to our east. All in all, it is just a bit of fun! I do not see why everyone's taking it so deathly seriously! The original idea was to have a Cold War scenario within the region, as it would undoubtedly be interesting. Nevertheless, the AU has no intention of attacking the NOP. It merely serves as collective military and economic defence for its members as another option to the NOP.

Here are several passages that the HOB finds either: purely false, opening aggressive, or otherwise disturbing. Special attention should be paid to the final statement, which we see no way of reconciling ourselves with.

The charter in the II thread was changed almost instantly. The EA one just hasn't been updated. But nevertheless:

Oppressive=Communist. It's IC, just making things interesting.

Looming shadow=Reference to the growth of the NOP arriving at many state's doorsteps.

stand against those to our east= Admittedly that is anti NOP, but again it serves just to make things interesting.

Hold no formal alliances with the NOP= Erm... Well, yeah. Of course.

first strike tactics= That doesn't mention the NOP anywhere, and just informs members that we do not oppose a strike in the name of their ultimate defence.

I would like to make a claim on Southern France.

Wha? Greal? I hope you didn't bring Cholgoth and Haven with you. If not, then Okay.
Votes for Greal.

Are you no one of those SOL troublemakers? :rolleyes:
Also are you not being occupied by TPF?

I pulled out of SOL a long time ago. And there has been no word on the occupation for 2 RL weeks now. I am a republic.

(I do have a question. Whats the New Oslo Pact?)

I would like to make a claim on Southern France.

Are you no one of those SOL troublemakers? :rolleyes:
Also are you not being occupied by TPF?

Lighten up, Picts. He did say that he quit SOL.
(Plus, you might just get a member for your AU here)

Hubris :P . Greal is awesome still :D , and he's from nearly the same nationality as me! Hurrah!

Look at my flag and you know where I'm from.:D

Lighten up, Picts. He did say that he quit SOL.
(Plus, you might just get a member for your AU here)

Hang on, I just asked a couple of pretty damn simple questions. I am very "light", thank you very much. You may have noticed that his reply was warped in front of my post. And the TPF thing was a simple question, since I don't want TPF on my back for smuggling Greal into the region since if he's occupied then he's probably a territory of TPF now (I don't know that for certain, that's why I asked). The SOL thing was a joke, hence the smiley-face. >_<

(I do have a question. Whats the New Oslo Pact?)

The New Oslo Pact is a mutual aid and economic agreement made between many members of Europa Atlantica who seek peace and prosperity through fair trade and diplomatic relations.

It's also an unnecessary military alliance unified against a non-existent threat.

It's also an unnecessary military alliance unified against a non-existent threat.

If you would care to reread the NOP then you will observe that any military alliance is strictly for domestic peace keeping and defense. Two conditional essential to economic prosperity.

As to "non-existent threat" the SI has declared via news feed that it intended to invade and execute all NOP nations and leaders. Additionally, the AU was formed with the express purpose of overthrowing all NOP nations. The threat to the NOP seems very real and existent to me.

See other thread.

The stated aim of the AU is far from the destruction of the NOP. It is much more than a military alliance, but also an economic one, much like the NOP. However, as the NOP charter includes military aspects, so does the AU. The threat of the massive military alliance within our region is what drove us to create the AU. How dare you accuse of of warmongering? To claim that we are any more offensive-minded than the NOP is both hypocrisy and idiocy.

Military aspects or not, we are all good friends, and very friendly ICly, so we would support each other in any case. Notice how the NOP can't go to war with out the agreement of a large portion of the Council of Nations, and that colonial wars will recieve no NOP support. Further, NOP states can be pardoned from military duty if the nation being attacked says they don't have to.

However, the AU is borne from much more obvious aggression.

I cannot give an official opinion for all of the Atlantican Union, but the position of the Anselmian government is this: Ideally, there would be no need for any mutual defense pacts between any nations because there would be absolutely no threat from external forces. Another option would be that every nation in Europa Atlantica would sign an agreement binding all of them to the same international law. However, that cannot be the case as some nations to not wish to have such codified ties to others. Unfortunately, neither of those conditions is likely to be met. So under a perceived threat from the West, nations of the East unified under the New Oslo Pact. While offering many economic members to others, the alliance is also very military in nature. Anselmus, while wishing to remain at peace with every nation, began to feel threatened by the expansion of the New Oslo Pact because of the aforementioned military aspects of it.

Because of said expansion, Anselmus chose ally itself with other non-NOP nations not only for defense, but also because we find ourselves more culturally affiliated with these nations and because Anselmus finds irreconcilable ideological differences between herself and many NOP nations.

The bottom line is that while Anselmus whole-heartedly supports economic communities, it regards the birth of a large military alliance in the region as the greatest possible threat to her sovereignty, considering the total lack of a reasonable threat from Western countries to provoke the creation of such an alliance.

Totally false. The NOP was originally started to stop Surailia from attacking the militaryless Kenny. One of the concessions is that we had to protect Surailia from the repurcussions, and since all of the other original members were already extremely friendly, we decided to make an alliance.

We never even expected, nor solicited anyone to join before other started showing interest.

Snip.

I agree. NP has made it clear that this is simply a cold war, so it's just a bit of fun.

Although I would rather it didn't lead to the AU bringing down an Iron Curtain. I'd very much like to continue diplomatic ties to the western EA nations.

It's also an unnecessary military alliance unified against a non-existent threat.

Well, I have already explained how the NOP came to be, but I'd like to point out that there are a lot of nations outside of EA, and it is very likely that at some point one of us will be invaded.

Since the NOP is a purely defensive agreement, it is neither unnecessary, or is the threat non-existant.

NP - Noooooo....now the cat's out of the bag.

Greal - Phew, for a minute I thought you were Greston. Welcome.

Miamoria, Corbournne and Bithunia - Sign the AU Treaty Nao, plz.

Greal:

After consulting with a few players, and in light of the TPF situation, I don't think a move to EA would work. Especially since your current homeland is occupied.

Sorry mate,
~Picts

Miamoria, Corbournne and Bithunia - Sign the AU Treaty Nao, plz.

No.

I'll give you a cookie.

No, seriously I really suggest you avoid the position of Buffer State. Of course, it is ultimately your decision. The cookie is waiting by the charter.

I don't know if NP will let you in. You look like the post-and-forget-all-about-this game type although that could just be me. If you can show some RP experience though I'm pretty sure that would help your chances.

I would like to make a claim on the remainder of north africa if thats ok.

I would like to make a claim on the remainder of north africa if thats ok.

Sorry, but we're looking for more experienced players to fill the final territories.

No.

lolz.

Btw, Corbournne, would you like to do a cultural exchange thing to compare our Arkadians? They will probably be extremely different, according to what you wrote about yours. Which reminds me, did you ever finish writing about the other group?

Do we have any IRC heads in here? I think an IRC channel would be so much better for us, since even with the regional message boards I struggle to keep on top of the little chat here. Plus it is so much easier than always having to TG each other certain stuff.

Norsikia, I am rewriting some of my history, and my people will be distant inhabitants of the land you are occupying. Does this create any major conflicts with your histoire?

No! Greal! Come back! :(

Corbournne doesn't need to be a buffer state. One alliance can protect him from the other :D .

No! Greal! Come back! :(

Corbournne doesn't need to be a buffer state. One alliance can protect him from the other :D .

I'd say he needs one. He is the main land based invasion ruote.

Greal was looking for a way to get around his occupation at the hands of TPF and me. We would invade him again anyway if he got approved.

I'd say he needs one. He is the main land based invasion ruote.

Greal was looking for a way to get around his occupation at the hands of TPF and me. We would invade him again anyway if he got approved.

Oh yes, he needs one so that he can be invaded.

Oh yes, he needs one so that he can be invaded.

The more nations between the two Allainces the less likely a full on invasion can reach either one.

The more nations between the two Allainces the less likely a full on invasion can reach either one.

But still, it's a bad position for him, since he is on the border. He is much better off being neutral, especially since we have a MDP, which allows me to aid him militarily in a defensive war, but since I have the NOP behind me, it's unlikely that he would be called to act in my defense.

How cute. You think you have a chance.

Stok is right there, especially when dealing with a nation that would rather nuke itself and it's enemy than give up it's sovereignty.

So unless you utterly wank over a nuclear attack, in which case you will be ignored, we would both be a radioactive waste.

lolz.

Btw, Corbournne, would you like to do a cultural exchange thing to compare our Arkadians? They will probably be extremely different, according to what you wrote about yours. Which reminds me, did you ever finish writing about the other group?

To the first question: Yea, sure.

To the second: No, completely forgot about it, I'll get on it.

Overconfidence kills. 'Nuff said.

How cute. You think you have a chance.

With this I would like to announce Morgiland's entrance into the NOP.

Hang on, I just asked a couple of pretty damn simple questions. I am very "light", thank you very much. You may have noticed that his reply was warped in front of my post. And the TPF thing was a simple question, since I don't want TPF on my back for smuggling Greal into the region since if he's occupied then he's probably a territory of TPF now (I don't know that for certain, that's why I asked). The SOL thing was a joke, hence the smiley-face. >_<

TPF promises he will pull out soon, but it seems like his promise may not be true.

I understand if you don't want me in your region. :headbang:

Three hurrays for Morgiland!

Greal, remember that the option of retcon is always next to your thumb...

Greal, remember that the option of retcon is always next to your thumb...

You mean ignore the occupation like it never happened? :eek:

You mean ignore the occupation like it never happened? :eek:

What occupation? ;)

*Passes Morgiland the vodka*
"Velcome comrade."

<--- not communist, but likes stereotypes.

stereotypes are not'a fun'a,

anyone'a want'a some pizza?

What occupation? ;)

Never mind.

Even though I am not in the region, I do both support the New Oslo Pact and the AU.

Never mind.

Even though I am not in the region, I do both support the New Oslo Pact and the AU.

Doesn't anyone get the wink anymore?

EDIT: I think he was referring to my idea of retconning everything. NOP + AU = BAGLHHHH

I will talk to TPF about it, if he agrees, I'll just say that the Greal Government turned Democratic already.......

Lulz!

Ja, ich want some pizza, herr becker.

EDIT: I think he was referring to my idea of retconning everything. NOP + AU = BAGLHHHH

With this I would like to announce Morgiland's entrance into the NOP.

Well, I might have to instiute a draft.

Morgi, I didn't realize you had such a big population.

Well, I might have to instiute a draft.

Like I've had for years...;)

And the population is frickin' huge!

Our government would prefer that our fellow AU members would cease to be so aggressive.

Sorry, but we're looking for more experienced players to fill the final territories.

Ok fair enough, but maybe I could just be given a small region like Portugal? Everyones gotta learn somewhere?

Hey NP... I just had a thought... I have a map of a land mass I created, not for RPing purposes like this but just to give me a home among real nations. Would you allow me to post a link here, then some of the people you turned/turn away might populate my land. I'm not trying to steal them from you or anything, I just thought If they can't be here, why not come over to my place ;).

HOB-Sure, go ahead
Picts- I hope you wouldn't mind that your coastal towns would have been raided and pillaged by Norsikian Vikings in the early middle ages, will you? No occupation, just sacking.

With this I would like to announce Morgiland's entrance into the NOP.

Being a commy eastern bloc nation, I would've expected you to join the NOP already, but if you're going to do so then please do it for real reasons rather than idle OOC chatter.

I think we need to clearly revise how OOC aspects are coming into this.

HOB-Sure, go ahead
Picts- I hope you wouldn't mind that your coastal towns would have been raided and pillaged by Norsikian Vikings in the early middle ages, will you? No occupation, just sacking.

Actually, that is one of the key differences between Pictavia and Scotland: There is no Norse blood thus there was no Norse invasion. I think. Consult my history if you like.

Hey NP... I just had a thought... I have a map of a land mass I created, not for RPing purposes like this but just to give me a home among real nations. Would you allow me to post a link here, then some of the people you turned/turn away might populate my land. I'm not trying to steal them from you or anything, I just thought If they can't be here, why not come over to my place ;).

Sure, I wont post a link but I'll direct them t'wards you. I'll also give you a short list of those I can remember who applied so you can TG them.

Urchinia
Megalithon
McPsychoville
Kalbekistan/Lyon Frace

Nope, no Norse invasion. In fact, not even any serious Sacking going on at all. Only a handful of raids squeezed into the history books.

Could we not put my joining the region to the vote? i dont seem to be able to find anywhere else you see.

Could we not put my joining the region to the vote? i dont seem to be able to find anywhere else you see.

Try contacting Orbath.

Urchinia - As I can see you are very persistent and we need a microstate I'll make a deal with you. You can have 1,061.57 square kilometres of inhabited island - Schiermonnikoog, Ameland and Terschellig plus the sandbars known as Richel, Griend, Rif, Engelsmanplaat and the few known as Rottum.

Here's the catch though. You have to successfully RP a revolution on those islands.

Urchinia - As I can see you are very persistent and we need a microstate I'll make a deal with you. You can have 1,061.57 square kilometres of inhabited island - Schiermonnikoog, Ameland and Terschellig plus the sandbars known as Richel, Griend, Rif, Engelsmanplaat and the few known as Rottum.

Here's the catch though. You have to successfully RP a revolution on those islands.

Interesting proposition, Dutchie. Would you mind if I sold him AY-1Ms and ATMY-1M Nails? (respectively a guerrilla rifle and a much improved RPG-7/Pzf 3)

Urchinia - As I can see you are very persistent and we need a microstate I'll make a deal with you. You can have 1,061.57 square kilometres of inhabited island - Schiermonnikoog, Ameland and Terschellig plus the sandbars known as Richel, Griend, Rif, Engelsmanplaat and the few known as Rottum.

Here's the catch though. You have to successfully RP a revolution on those islands.

Now that would be interesting

That's what I'm hoping for. Particularly if NOP members fund the revolutionists. That would make it even more interesting and give real solid reason for there to be an EA Wide War.

Yani - Give them weapons at your own risk. Hectonia is on your borders...

That's what I'm hoping for. Particularly if NOP members fund the revolutionists. That would make it even more interesting and give real solid reason for there to be an EA Wide War.

Yani - Give them weapons at your own risk. Hectonia is on your borders...

I'd of course supply the counter-revolutionists.

Oh, of course. The King would most likely treat this as a domestic affair however and request the international community at large not get involved. I advise people not to get ahead of themselves however as if Urchinia doesn't want to do the RP then it won't happen.

That's what I'm hoping for. Particularly if NOP members fund the revolutionists. That would make it even more interesting and give real solid reason for there to be an EA Wide War.

Yani - Give them weapons at your own risk. Hectonia is on your borders...

Proxy war, sorta like vietnam. Neither side wants a war, so they fight through smaller nations. In any case, the arms industry is large in Yanitaria, and buying automatics is legal here, so they could just say they have contacts in Yanitaria that bought them, and I'll just look the othe rway when the license inspector tells me that they are exporting the rifles.

Dude, the King will just set up a blockade. They know their ships so you'd need to steal one of those in order to get weapons and supplies in. We'll shoot down planes and inspect the remains.

I like how everyone is scrambling to make a buck or declare war before Urchinia has even replied. It wouldn't even make sense for him to agree, he has 6 million people and Benelux is part of a huge alliance, I doubt his micronation would last to long, even if international influences were restricted.

No, I'd kind of 'let' him win. I'd protect him if we could reach a compromise. Say protectorate status.

Interesting. I guess it would be a good way to recruit more alliance members.

He wouldn't be forced to join the AU however. More like how Ireland was when it was still under the Queen's control yet not part of the UK.

A dominion?

I suppose. King Willem's title would be (bold depending on Constitutional Monarchy / Republic):

His Royal Majestic Highness, King Willem VI, by the Grace of God King of the Benelux, absolute ruler of all fiefs granted to his vassals and granted to their vassals and so on and so forth and Grand Duke of Zeeëgeland / and Protector of Urchinia

Dude, the King will just set up a blockade. They know their ships so you'd need to steal one of those in order to get weapons and supplies in. We'll shoot down planes and inspect the remains.

Let me get this straight. Your king would blockade my nation?

No, Yanitaria, he would blockade the islands and sandbars.

I'll have a go at it...



*holds breath*

lol

OK, I'll start the thread but first I want to know whether you intend to become a Constitutional Monarchy or Republic or something else entirely?

No, Yanitaria, he would blockade the islands and sandbars.

Lol, good, because I was about to say.

In any case, there is more than two ways to smuggle in weapons. Assuming he has the infrastructure, I'd simply let him have a DPR on it.

I would.:D

*palm->face, exasperated groan*

You know, I seriously wrote three drafts of the earlier post, each with a variation of "binaria, before you go off and say something like 'lol I am jumbo sized and can pwn you' just stop, we've had this discussion before." but I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Let me get this straight. Your king would blockade my nation?

I would.:D

*palm->face, exasperated groan*

You know, I seriously wrote three drafts of the earlier post, each with a variation of "binaria, before you go off and say something like 'lol I am jumbo sized and can pwn you' just stop, we've had this discussion before." but I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I never said that. I merely said I would. With your postion a nation a lotsmaller than me with a decent navy could blockade your trade into the mederterrian. Choke points work both ways.

I never said that. I merely said I would. With your postion a nation a lotsmaller than me with a decent navy could blockade your trade into the mederterrian. Choke points work both ways.

Hehe, I think it's a bit more complicated than that. I am very confident that I could defend my waters from a much larger navy.

Urichinia, I was thinking more like:

There have been recent protests in the West Frisian Islands. Claims of perferential treatment to the mainland by the Duke of Frieslandto the mainland, which both the King and the Duke insist are false, are leading to violent protests. Surprisingly, Vlieland and Texel are completely protest free although there are worries of protests spilling over. No one is there to control the riots as all inhabitants of islands where the riots are taking place are up in arms.

The King plans to send in the military and is calling it a domestic crisis. Any foreign interference will be told to step down peacefully or have their aids sunk and/or shot down. Many are saying that this will blow over quickly although our analysts are saying that it could be bigger than that. [Urchinia's main official language] isn't recognized in any province while two languages - Dutch and West Frisian - are recognized in the province the islands are apart of. This is because many second and third and some fourth generation immigrants from [insert country which speaks language] reside on the islands.

Sweet.

I would.:D
So would i :p

I was thinking about doing something along these lines a while back involving mainland Hectonia.

Just to let y'all know, I'm leaving for Italy this afternoon, so I don't know how much I'll be able to check in on NS.

Once again on the west frisian islands, inhabitants have felt let down by their monarchy. Issues which they feel are easy and simple have once again been ignored and now a revolution led by Jimmy Von Kelly has begun.
Jimmy Von Kelly is a descendant of an ancient tribe called The Urchins as are many of the Inhabitants of the West Frisian isles. They speak their once native language Urchinian which is not recognised on the mainland of Benelux.
One of the main Issues is schooling within the Islands, many people believe that it is their right to teach/learn Urchinian Language and History, but the monarchy fails to see how this would help anyone. "It's our heritage, our ancestors, our rights!" claims Jimmy Von Kelly as he speaks openly at an Urchin rally. "Are you with me?" he asks, "Yes!" was the claim of the West Frisian peoples.
Over the next few months there were clashes on the streets as cultural tensions grew and the revolutionists clashed with the small pocket of loyalists. There was no control on the Isles, the police force had either joined the revolution or fled to mainland Benelux, it was becoming out of control.

Just to let y'all know, I'm leaving for Italy this afternoon, so I don't know how much I'll be able to check in on NS.

That's cool, have a good time.

Once again on the west frisian islands, inhabitants have felt let down by their monarchy. Issues which they feel are easy and simple have once again been ignored and now a revolution led by Jimmy Von Kelly has begun.
Jimmy Von Kelly is a descendant of an ancient tribe called The Urchins as are many of the Inhabitants of the West Frisian isles. They speak their once native language Urchinian which is not recognised on the mainland of Benelux.
One of the main Issues is schooling within the Islands, many people believe that it is their right to teach/learn Urchinian Language and History, but the monarchy fails to see how this would help anyone. "It's our heritage, our ancestors, our rights!" claims Jimmy Von Kelly as he speaks openly at an Urchin rally. "Are you with me?" he asks, "Yes!" was the claim of the West Frisian peoples.
Over the next few months there were clashes on the streets as cultural tensions grew and the revolutionists clashed with the small pocket of loyalists. There was no control on the Isles, the police force had either joined the revolution or fled to mainland Benelux, it was becoming out of control.

Don't RP here as it is a "sign-up"/"claims" thread, please, and you're not in or joining the region. You posted here, and I politely said no and listed my reasons, so you TG'd me, and I replied the same. Now you've bypassed me completely and declared a "vote", so now it's definitely not gunna happen. Please do not post in this thread any more (of course, I'm sure Dutchy will still want to RP with you, but it wont get you a place here).

Once again on the west frisian islands, inhabitants have felt let down by their monarchy. Issues which they feel are easy and simple have once again been ignored and now a revolution led by Jimmy Von Kelly has begun.
Jimmy Von Kelly is a descendant of an ancient tribe called The Urchins as are many of the Inhabitants of the West Frisian isles. They speak their once native language Urchinian which is not recognised on the mainland of Benelux.
One of the main Issues is schooling within the Islands, many people believe that it is their right to teach/learn Urchinian Language and History, but the monarchy fails to see how this would help anyone. "It's our heritage, our ancestors, our rights!" claims Jimmy Von Kelly as he speaks openly at an Urchin rally. "Are you with me?" he asks, "Yes!" was the claim of the West Frisian peoples.
Over the next few months there were clashes on the streets as cultural tensions grew and the revolutionists clashed with the small pocket of loyalists. There was no control on the Isles, the police force had either joined the revolution or fled to mainland Benelux, it was becoming out of control.Question, were you even accepted to join the Region?

Assur - I'm RPing with him and hope that if he can show that he is a good RPer he can enter the region. As a new nation which has secceded from me.

Urchinia - I'm going to make a separate thread. I suggest you skip lines between paragraphs so that it is easier to read. As for The Urchins, I would assume that is the name of it because Sea Urchins are a delicacy or something, lol. It will be translated as Zeeëgeland in Dutch. Could you teach me Urchinian, I am curious how detailed you have made it.

You can't just say a revolution has begun because it would have to be nationwide while it is only restricted to the West Frisian Islands save Vlieland and Texel. It is more a separatist movement. They can teach their language and history since there is no public education system. It would be more against the fact that you can't choose the new monarch.

West Frisian is a language which is officially recognised in RL Friesland, and it is recognised in my Province of Friesland along with Dutch. Also, it wouldn't be 'over the next few months' it would be happening right now. I'll create a new thread and we can RP it from the start of the movement until you become independant.

Nova Pictavia - Wait...I was doing this as a favour so that if he is a good RPer he could get in as a tiny little microstate because:

a) I am feeling like a nice guy

and

b) We are lacking microstates

<Snip>

We can take this discussion to the regional message boards where I have made a thread.

NP: K.

Urchinia: RP Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550848)

So would i :p

That's the funniest thing I've heard since "Automatically disengaging rifle safeties"

But if you want to blockade me, I fully invite you to a one on one RP. Even if I use soviet tech fillers for now, I sure wouldn't mind taking those nice little Aegean Islands.

Oi! Just 'cause he's far smaller than you doesn't mean it would suddenly be one on one, if you were the smaller nation you'd be calling on the NOP by now :p

Yeah, don't expect to be able to take down each AU member smaller than yourself one-by-one. We are sticking up for eachother.

All NOP style 'n' that. We've got Hectonia's back! AU PRIDE! WE ARE NOT ASHAMED! :D

That's the funniest thing I've heard since "Automatically disengaging rifle safeties"

But if you want to blockade me, I fully invite you to a one on one RP. Even if I use soviet tech fillers for now, I sure wouldn't mind taking those nice little Aegean Islands.

Oi! Just 'cause he's far smaller than you doesn't mean it would suddenly be one on one, if you were the smaller nation you'd be calling on the NOP by now :p

Yeah, don't expect to be able to take down each AU member smaller than yourself one-by-one. We are sticking up for eachother.

My waters are secure, and I have nothing to fear from any of you except Binaria. And that's evened out by nuclear missiles, and my willingness to go kamikaze on his nation, which I doubt he wants.

Oh, yes that reminds me. I should make the signing ceremony thread now.

That's the funniest thing I've heard since "Automatically disengaging rifle safeties"

But if you want to blockade me, I fully invite you to a one on one RP. Even if I use soviet tech fillers for now, I sure wouldn't mind taking those nice little Aegean Islands.
It sounded funny cause it was meant as a joke! jesus! calm down!
the second half of my post was aimed at the whole revolution scenario(i should have really used a quote.)

Picts & Benelux- Cheers for having my back. AU Pride! lol

Pretty fun how when I pointed out that the AU is just a bunch of warmongers you all got defensive... and now you all are talking about blockades again and launching warheads.

The NOP's going to nuke us if some of our waterways are closed!?

Pretty fun how when I pointed out that the AU is just a bunch of warmongers you all got defensive... and now you all are talking about blockades again and launching warheads.

Okay, ONE: It was hypothetical.

TWO: We didn't get all defensive, in fact I wouldn't mind if the AU was aggressive or peaceful. The NOP just really, really didn't like the aggressive parts so it was changed after a barrage of both OOC and IC comments.

The NOP's going to nuke us if some of our waterways are closed!?

Okay, One: It was hypothetical.

TWO: The AU is going to close some of the NOP's waterways!?!?!

My waters are secure, and I have nothing to fear from any of you except Binaria. And that's evened out by nuclear missiles, and my willingness to go kamikaze on his nation, which I doubt he wants.

Hmm, A first strike can be countered by a mass launch of SLBM from the subs stationed at those underwater submarine pens. Each of my Missile subs carries 48 SLBM, and each missile has 14 warheads with 450 kilotons per warhead. So per sub I can hit you with 672 warheads. Say I launch from 50 of my 125 Ballastic Missile subs that is 33,600 450 kiloton warheads. Or 15,120 megatons. From not even half of my sub force. I doubt you'd ever recover from that without massive wanking.