NationStates Jolt Archive

Actually, when you don't spend anything on police, and put 100% of your revenue in commerce and military, you get anarchy+high economy like no taxes. No taxes is rich because the people have all this (since there are no taxes) money to spend, and there is absolutely no regulation of businesses. And since businesses get most of the sales tax, they grow.

His people are rich, but his government has only a few trillion more dollars than my own. However, because I have a 100% tax rate and a very, very inefficient, "omnipresent" government, I spend some of it and I gain more money. Hence, a large waste.

Alright, I am done with the pistols, an auto and a double action.

I am finished with the drawings of the General Purpose Machine Gun,and commando variant. The stat block will take five minutes.

I still have the following. The ones marked in red are essential, and the ones marked in blue are essential, but easy (either requiring no pictures, or only slightly modded ones)



HMG

Sniper (standard round)
AM Sniper

ATGM
MANPADS
UBGL

Arty Recoiless
Seige Howitzer Recoiless

General IFV Amphib
General SLT Amphib
Wheeled IFV Amphib
Trike Bike

Future Soldier Kit
Tanto Bayonet
Sword Bayonet
Bowie Knife Style Bayonet
Tac Watch

Xyston type police spear.


Sorry for the cryptic notes.

^^^
Wow. I can't beleive the effort you're putting into this. Normally I just buy my equipment off somebody.

Yes, the people who frequent the draftroom tend to be very dedicated.

But it's not as hard as it seems. Really, you need to know the basics, and have some innovative ideas. Innovative ideas can of course be stolen from RL machinery, and in some cases, others work, but I always ask permission.

For instance, all my weapons are bullpups, so they are short. My standard rifle is M4 sized, or around there, and has extreme accuracy. 25 shots out of 30 at full auto hit the target, 400m away, and 1m in diameter. And real soldiers NEVER use full auto.

But really, it's due to a lot of things, like the muzzle break, the ammo, and the balanced gas system. All of these reduce the kick to almost zero.

Anyways, I am rambling. I am gonna go to bed. I have to volunteer at the library tomorrow, for 7 hours.

His people are rich, but his government has only a few trillion more dollars than my own. However, because I have a 100% tax rate and a very, very inefficient, "omnipresent" government, I spend some of it and I gain more money. Hence, a large waste.
Yes my government actually spends a realistic amount of money compared to the GDP. Some nations here spend a third, or even half of their GDP on the government, which would realistically ruin their economy and mean that their people would have no money to buy normal consumer goods. Also, I have corporations with tons of money and lots of political power.

so....what am i doing?

<<snip>>

While this may be true in most cases, in NS I suppose that some governments take all that their people produce and in exchange provide them with necessities and the like, such as housing, food, etc. Communist China worked the same way; people stayed in "communal residences" and were provided consumer goods to select.

Is this still open?

Yes, it is. Post what you want to claim and Nova Pictavia, or NP, will look over it.

Is the island of Ireland still open?

yes please we need to fill in more of this map!

Ugh jaredcohenia is pissing me off.....people like him bother me.

Is the island of Ireland still open?

No, some guy claimed the rest a few days ago. Nova Pictavia just hasn't been on to update the map.

Alternate History for Miamoria:

England and Scotland peacefully co-habit Graet Britain. Ireland is fought for by the two contries (should NP allow) and the current border is eventually drawn.

Elizabeth I does marry, she marries John Malton, Duke of East England and their descendants who become king are as follows:

Jon II
|
Frederick I
|
William III
|
Archibald I
|
Harry I
|
Michael I
|
Nicolas I
|
Peter I
|
Paul I
|
Richard IV
|
Miamroga I


There are of course, some cadet branches.

I confirm this is my history.

You don't need to have an alternate history using RL analogs. if Miamoria is willing to let Kenny have what's left of Ireland, I don't see any problem.

As Emperor i do not wish to give up any of Ireland. Please tell Kenny that i don't wish to be hostile but i do not want to give that area up. Please note i i am open to negotiation.

Technically if you lay claim to that area, it is rightfully yours, since you called it, and so there isn't anyone to negotiate with until he choses another plot of land.

Off-topic: Full wiki for me!

http://nationstates.wikia.com/wiki/Stoklomolvi

Applause Applause.
I like the photo about the second badminton war a lot.

Yay Stok!

I need you to wire me your 2 trillion for your land And i will draw you where it is

All righty then!

[IC as myself]

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Vladistov Kremlin, Red Square
Room 1684, Computerised Offices Hall F3
Vladistov, Stoklomolvi

Money wired.

$2,000,000,000,000.

Do not reply. This is an automated message.

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OFFICIAL STOKLOMOLVI TERRITORY

(its a lil big but now it'll show up on a map)

No Taxes, I just released a replacement for the Humvee and RG-31 Nyala. Also, I put out a new pistol, and my Light Support Weapon, Model 150 is coming out soon.

i need help sketching my plans for GENESIS....or whatever i decide to call it

The draftroom has lots of people that could help you out. use the link I gave you

I'm confused, what is going on with the Africa invasion?

because i hate People all the time....I'm selling most if not all of my nation's colony

no my shit would get kicked

So we aren't invading?

no my shit would get kicked

No it wouldn't. Trust me, they tolerate some stupid shit.

I remember my first invention, *shudder*

I'm really confused!:headbang:

I'm really confused!:headbang:

I think Surailia is selling his African Colony, and I am making things to kill enemy soldiers with.

Making things to kill enemy soldiers with, huh, sounds interesting, may I inquire as to what, exactly you are working on?

I'm working on what i will call gods penis...hand....or Genesis

And jaredcohenia will kick my ass if i stay in Africa he TG'd me sum messed up shit

Here is the updated list. Green is what I am currently working on, red is essential, and blue is essential, but easy/quick.


Light Support Weapon
MG
HMG

Sniper (small round)
AM Sniper

ATGM
MANPADS (perhaps launchable from the same tube?)
UBGL

Arty Recoiless
Seige Howitzer Recoiless

General IFV Amphib
Wheeled IFV Amphib
Trike Bike

Future Soldier Kit
Tanto
Sword Bayonet
Bowie Knife
Tac Watch

Xyston type police spear.

6.5x39mm Grendel round, which is standard for my military. It kicks less than the 7.62mm Soviet, and isn't a pussy like the 5.56mm NATO.

Edit: DOUBLE WARP!

is it a .30 cal. MG?

so yanitaria.... i know your working on my army I'm just really exited to know whats the hishap on that issue

BTW these engineer bitches scare me

The reason I am working on all those weapons is so that I can equip your army with NS level designs. That's why there is a list with red and blue marked things.

The specifics I haven't gotten to, but I do know that it'll be small, and highly trained, thanks to Yanitarian Military Advisors, and Aid. It'll also be well equipped.

I know it seems like I am not making much headway since yesterday, but I spent 7 hours at the library volunteering today, so I am spent. The fact that I got 3 designs finalized and started on another is actually pretty good.

And Surailia, don't worry about them. They are nice once you have proven that you can learn, and put effort into your designs.

Edit: I've just pulled up a whole lot of dumb questions I've asked. Don't be discouraged.

And if Russkya says something about a gun, he is probably right.

i have worked so hard on this concept.....i think i might complete it and sell it to the UN

If it pans out, I'll buy it.

ARGH they are Eating me up!

Argh Why Did You Make Me Do This They Are Making Me Look Like An Idiot :(:(:(:(:(

Ah well, you tried.

No, i wont let this die, i know it would work if i could just know more about physics.....

Could I enter this region?

If so, I would like to occupy Iceland, the Faroe Islands, Jan Mayen, Rockall, Shetland and Orkney (if the latter two aren't part of Pictavia.)

Oh, and this is a Kirav puppet, just so's ya know.

Go ahead! No quarrels here. Also, I was thinking that you were a puppet when you didn't write like this:

"Can i plz enter this region? I want iceland and thoser islands sitting around the north sea"

Welcome, Kirav!

hey! the etiquette here is different then most of the net.....then again most of the net is porn.....or ebay......

Or 2girls1cup.

DO NOT GOOGLE IT!

...Pandora?

"I'm sorry i couldn't help it and now i have to throw up"

Really. don't Google it

Okay then, how about Spain and the Baleric islands?

hey! the etiquette here is different then most of the net.....then again most of the net is porn.....or ebay......

You haven't been to many Anime RP forums I take it.

Also, I do believe these are the terms we agreed to. I didn't record it so remind me if I missed one, but here goes:

I gain the rest of Senegal, Guinea-Bissau and Gambia and Surailia gains:

-$20 billion
-Government Waste - Trade Deficit. If there is no trade deficit he gets Government Waste and if Government Waste - Trade Deficit equals 0 or less, Uiri will pay up the difference.
-Citizens of the colony may retain Surailian citizenship, gain Uir citizenship or both.
-Surailia retains the right to buy back the territory for $20 billion.
-I retain the right to sell any territory but if Surailia wants it I must buy the territory back and give it to Surailia with the rest of the territroy for $20 billion.
-Any official languages of Surailia will be official languages of the territroy in addition to Uir and Wolof. Wolof is a native language.
-Surailia retains the use of the ports.

I think that is it but not 100% sure.

That's a very reasonable claim compared to my own. Also, 2girls1cup is the most disturbing thing on the internets. Search it on YouTube, and there's a lot of people talking about how disgusting it is. The video itself is not there, thank God.

thanks uiri, i got that cash

Go ahead! No quarrels here. Also, I was thinking that you were a puppet when you didn't write like this:

"Can i plz enter this region? I want iceland and thoser islands sitting around the north sea"

Welcome, Kirav!

Lol, thanks, Stoklomolvi.

Could I enter this region?, if I can, I'd like Austria, Switzerland, and a small portion of Northern Italy, my nation has alot of Germanic ancestry, so I believe I might qualify.

thanks uiri, i got that cash

Good, so I can post about my settlers arriving in Uir Os Afirik? Uir Afirik will be re-named Uir Es Afirik.

Okay so who oon the map hasn't been updated other than West Scandia, Miamoria, and I?

kenny, i plan on invading Iberia to get some of the land that you just claimed if you tell np to give me a portion of that land i will be VERY good to you

Surailia, you are NOT going to receive any more land. You're going to have to negotiate with ----Kenny---- for that. Calizorinstan, Austria is settled by No Taxes, though Germany is open.

Kenny, go ahead and claim portugal. Noone will claim it if you don't.

but i do want that lil top part on the coast.....so kenny if its not too much can we negotiate sumthin

but i do want that lil top part on the coast.....so kenny if its not too much can we negotiate sumthin

Provided you help me get some things i want...

Kenny, go ahead and claim portugal. Noone will claim it if you don't.

I might as well...

What do u need Kenny-Provided its easier than RPing an invasion

Kenny, if you need weapons, I would be willing to give you 2 trillion in credit* in my store in exchange for letting me have a permanent base in the Balearic Isles.

*Credit not in that you have to pay it back, but like a gift card.

updated list of things to design, for those of you interested in my progress Color scheme is as before:

Sniper (small round)
AM Sniper

ATGM
MANPADS
UBGL

Arty Recoiless
Seige Howitzer Recoiless

Wheeled IFV Amphib
Trike Bike

Future Soldier Kit
Tanto
Sword Bayonet
Bowie Knife
Tac Watch

Xyston type police spear.

What do u need Kenny-Provided its easier than RPing an invasion

I will telegram you, but do keep in mind if you plan an invasion that there are 2.884 billion more of us than you.


Kenny, if you need weapons, I would be willing to give you 2 trillion in credit* in my store in exchange for letting me have a permanent base in the Balearic Isles.

*Credit not in that you have to pay it back, but like a gift card.

I'll think about it


Map with updated claims (http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii290/Twilight201/EAPoliticalMapMkXII.png)

Surailia, you are NOT going to receive any more land. You're going to have to negotiate with ----Kenny---- for that. Calizorinstan, Austria is settled by No Taxes, though Germany is open.

I'll claim Germany then Stolk. That's okay, I'm just claiming Germany instead.

Hurrah!

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Calizorinstan are you Communist?

Since when were we allowed to just colonize wherever we want?

Kenny is a new player, not a coloniser. Also, colonisation needs to be roleplayed.

Just updated the store with a host of new weapons. I have 4 new designs available for sale, including an IFV.

Calizorinstan are you Communist?

OOC: No, my nation is a Federal Republic, with a slight hint of a Benevolent Dictatorship thing going on..

You! Calizorinstan! You made me Redo my whole WW2 map!

You! Calizorinstan! You made me Redo my whole WW2 map!

Technically, unless we have a world war before then, it's WWI w/ WWII tech and years.

Hurrah!

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd188/NS_Crossbowman/europa_atlantica_example2.png

Thanks, Stok.

OOC: Would anyone mind sending me the regional password so I could move in please? Thanks!

Do we need factbooks?

OOC: Would anyone mind sending me the regional password so I could move in please? Thanks!

Ditto, please :)

I will by ICly laying claim to the rest of Russia, just so you guys know.

Are we using RL names for the seas?(Baltic Sea, North Sea, ect...)

Well, I am calling the Black Sea the Sea of Yanitaria. We don't have to use RL names because this isn't europe

then can we call the meditaranian the Pandorian Ocean

Why?

We could call the Baltic, the Calitic Sea, because my nation borders the Baltic..

That doesn't work, since there's other nations bordering it as well. Yanitaria essentially controls the Black Sea, and since I'm his ally I have no squabbles with that.

Hmm, well that stinks, ah well. I'll guess I'm content with naming landmarks in my nation then. I'll have to transpose the cities in my current nation then..

That doesn't work, since there's other nations bordering it as well. Yanitaria essentially controls the Black Sea, and since I'm his ally I have no squabbles with that.

i just feel like popping in to say hi!

I dono I like Pandora and.... I like oceans...

Be back in two days...

How abo we call the RL Atlantic "the Atlantican OCean" and the RL Med the "Pandorian Sea".

Happy New Year to all of you, I am now back in the big city, thank god. Surailia, kindly cease pining for that land. You want it, invade it, or buy it ICly. It is not attainable OOCly. Funny how I am away for the best part of a month and the same thing is going on! Finally, the updated map will be up tomorrow night, but has anyone heard from Miamoria?

Calizonristan: Welcome to the region.

Kenny: Can I have some background, perhaps a factbook link or any information possible before your claims are validated as I don't know much about your nation. Thanks!

West Scandia: Is that you, Kirav ol' buddy?

Also, feel free to name your seas what you want. I'll try and compile a far more detailed map including some seas et cetera if you specify. And if someone could just give me a quick rundown on everything that's happened incase I missed something, ta!

Alternate History for Miamoria:

England and Scotland peacefully co-habit Graet Britain. Ireland is fought for by the two contries (should NP allow) and the current border is eventually drawn.

Elizabeth I does marry, she marries John Malton, Duke of East England and their descendants who become king are as follows:

Jon II
|
Frederick I
|
William III
|
Archibald I
|
Harry I
|
Michael I
|
Nicolas I
|
Peter I
|
Paul I
|
Richard IV
|
Miamroga I


There are of course, some cadet branches.

I confirm this is my history.

Here's the answer to your question NP.

I will by ICly laying claim to the rest of Russia, just so you guys know.

What rest of Russia?

West Scandia: Is that you, Kirav ol' buddy?


Indeed it is. Glad to see you're back, Picts.

Kenny: Can I have some background, perhaps a factbook link or any information possible before your claims are validated as I don't know much about your nation. Thanks!

I've no factbook...yet anyways

Basically, ----Kenny---- is a democratic republic and is very capitalist. Big business is hardly regulated and the government has a lassez-faire policy.

Also ----Kenny---- and the Kennyians themselves is/are world-renown for it's/their banks and financial acumen

So if you ever are in financial need, need a loan, or need a tax free haven for your cash give us a call and we'll help out.

sounds like a deal, i need a place to put my "salary"

What interest rates am i looking at?

IC: (More or less Secret letter)
Return adress: 1345 la rue Avril, L'avvere, Surailian kingdom of Valoire Saxe, Surailia. E3MR6C-12

To the Bank of Kenny

In the name of His Imperial Highness The Most Serene and Exalted Chairman of the Surailian Imperial Council, Adam Gaultier

Wishes to Deposit:

$2 026 526 076 456.31 NSD (nation states Dollars)
Along with various Valuable documents and Small personal jewels

Into your best and most secure "no questions asked" off shore accounts

All the best

Annonymus

IC:
To the Nations Near the Beatus,

We have a situation ongoing at one of our power facilities, which may result in the release of radioactive material into the atmosphere. There is no reason to panic, but being prepared for the worst possible outcome, a full meltdown, won't hurt anyone, and if the preparation is justified, you will have acted quickly in the face of an emergency. That is all.

Signed
Jim Lange,
President
The Republic of the Beatus

[OOC: see thread here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=546776]

I will by ICly laying claim to the rest of Russia, just so you guys know.

What?

#2 Your nation must have valid IC reasons for inhabiting Europa Atlantica as an alternate Europe, such as European ancestry or racial migration.

Any background into ----Kenny---- inhabiting the Iberian peninsula will be appreciated, thanks!

Later on, I'll be making a topic about claiming whatever is left of Russia.

Any background into ----Kenny---- inhabiting the Iberian peninsula will be appreciated, thanks!


Hmmm I didn't see that, well the Kennyians are a Celtic people so they could immigrated south from Gaul and Ireland.

Hmmm I didn't see that, well the Kennyians are a Celtic people so they could immigrated south from Gaul and Ireland.

Celts rock. Just though I'd mention that.

You know, ----Kenny----, there were large populations of Celtic-speaking peoples living on the Iberian peninsula, before they were Latinised by the Roman Empire.

Later on, I'll be making a topic about claiming whatever is left of Russia.

Erm, what? I'm not sure on were the RP/OOC Claim boundaries are on uninhabited territory, it seems like a perquisite to mass colonization which is something we've sought to avoid.

And yeah, the Picts themselves are theorized to have been one of the first Celtic peoples to settle in Iberia, although it is also disputed whether the Picts were indeed Celts. ----Kenny---- are you claiming the whole of Iberia or just a section? Splitting it with another nation would certainly make for a more interesting political map.

New Map Up.

West Scandia:
Yeah, Orkney and the Shetlands are definitely part of Pictavia, and so are the Falklands, hence the words "Pictavia" in the map hovering in the sea instead of directly through Scotland. Should it be a problem though, I'm sure a compromise can be reached!

NP, I am curious as to why you suddenly have more than Ulster as before the update. Just wondering, really.

I'd originally only taken a tiny section as I thought someone may want to claim the remainder of the isle as their homeland, however created a more accurate split once Miamoria claimed both the Irish remains and England/Wales, although as usual it is totally up for discussion in Miamoria is unhappy at all.

sounds like a deal, i need a place to put my "salary"

What interest rates am i looking at?

IC: (More or less Secret letter)
Return adress: 1345 la rue Avril, L'avvere, Surailian kingdom of Valoire Saxe, Surailia. E3MR6C-12

To the Bank of Kenny

In the name of His Imperial Highness The Most Serene and Exalted Chairman of the Surailian Imperial Council, Adam Gaultier

Wishes to Deposit:

$2,026,526,076,456. 31 NSD (nation states Dollars)
Along with various Valuable documents and Small personal jewels

Into your best and most secure "no questions asked" off shore accounts

All the best

Annonymus

SIC:

To: Adam Gaultier
From: The International Bank of ----Kenny----

We have set you up with a Capital Account, this includes the strongest security the bank offers. The deposit itself have been placed in our main bank in Kennyopolis. To make a withdrawal you yourself must be present, you also will be given a pin and a key that has only 1 other like it we keep for bank purposes. Interest will be at 1% compounded monthly, insurance will be charged at .2% of the total deposit monthly. You fee will be 5% of the total of extraction of the funds. If you have anymore questions feel free to ask.

Account PIN: 3358-6740-1012-9994 (highlight)

Sincerly Yours,
David Summers
David Summers
Co-Director of the International Banking Sydicate, IBK Representative


OOC:

Celts rock. Just though I'd mention that.

You know, ----Kenny----, there were large populations of Celtic-speaking peoples living on the Iberian peninsula, before they were Latinised by the Roman Empire.

Yeah the Celts do. There still are people in Galicia, who i believe are celtic so this seems more feasible than i originally had thought.

And yeah, the Picts themselves are theorized to have been one of the first Celtic peoples to settle in Iberia, although it is also disputed whether the Picts were indeed Celts. ----Kenny---- are you claiming the whole of Iberia or just a section? Splitting it with another nation would certainly make for a more interesting political map.

For now I'd like to hang on to it, but if someone wants Portugal i'd be willing to let them have it.

For now I'd like to hang on to it, but if someone wants Portugal i'd be willing to let them have it.

Nay problem mate.

New Map Up.

West Scandia:
Yeah, Orkney and the Shetlands are definitely part of Pictavia, and so are the Falklands, hence the words "Pictavia" in the map hovering in the sea instead of directly through Scotland. Should it be a problem though, I'm sure a compromise can be reached!

Certainly. What would you propose?

Some sort of Co-governance of the Falklands perhaps? Or I can invade :p
Incidentally, would you be pissed if I invaded Ireland Miamoria?

I am not Miamoria, but I do know the history. The wars between England&Scotland were fought over in Ireland and eventually today's border was reached. I suppose it would be the 2nd or maybe 3rd Eire War then. If Miamoria isn't on today I'll talk to him tomorrow.

Some sort of Co-governance of the Falklands perhaps? Or I can invade :p
Incidentally, would you be pissed if I invaded Ireland Miamoria?

Well, I've no claim to the Falklands(If by Falkland you mean Falkland Fife). Only the Faeroes(which should have no conflict with you), Orkney, and Shetland.

>_< Sorry, I meant the Faroes, not the Falklands.

>_< Sorry, I meant the Faroes, not the Falklands.

Oh. It's alright. I once mixed up Alberta and Saskatchewan. And they don't even start with the same letters.

Although 80% or so of the population is of mixed Scots/Irish and Scandinavian ancestry, the Faeroes have more of a Scandinavian culture and society.

Apologies for any confusion, I just can't be bothered signing out and back in again as Pictavia.

Concerning the Faroes, EA is of a completely different history to that of RL Europe in order to explain the states which inhabit the region, thus, it is not unrealistic for Pictish settlers to have retained the Isle. After all, the Norse conquests occurred in Europe, not necessarily in EA.

Apologies for any confusion, I just can't be bothered signing out and back in again as Pictavia.

Concerning the Faroes, EA is of a completely different history to that of RL Europe in order to explain the states which inhabit the region, thus, it is not unrealistic for Pictish settlers to have retained the Isle. After all, the Norse conquests occurred in Europe, not necessarily in EA.

OK. So, in that case, how about the condominia that you proposed earlier?

OOC: I feel for ya, Picts. I don't think I've done a whole lot as West Scandia either.:cool:

I do not wish for anyone to take any of Ireland. I do not approve of this. Please edit.

NP was there in the beginning, and the others are talking about Spain.

NP was there in the beginning, and the others are talking about Spain.

And you've got your eyes on Russia, which we will not be happy with.

They were talking about the origins of the Spanish people, not taking it. And, well, Stoklomolvi is based on a conglomerate of Russians and Chinese. Figures.

I'm talking about your repeated statements about claiming the rest of Russia. If you try that, than you will have some competition, if you get what I mean.

A-cough cough. Well, there goes the alliance :P .

We had hoped it wouldn't come to that.

A-cough cough. Well, there goes the alliance :P .

Perhaps...we could negotiate...the Beatus would shift downwards and Stoklomolvi would shift northwards, and in the process gaining land for both parties.

Perhaps...we could negotiate...the Beatus would shift downwards and Stoklomolvi would shift northwards, and in the process gaining land for both parties.

And to ensure the others don't get involved, we could pretend to fight over it, and make it seam legit.

And to ensure the others don't get involved, we could pretend to fight over it, and make it seam legit.

That might have worked if youhadn't announced it on a public forum in a popular thread.

just popping in to say hello and that the calorzistan borders go to far in my borders aren't that bulbous

Could I join your region?

I'd like a portion of land from the edge of Torvque extending to Yanitaria, but I'd prefer being up north if that's possible, with the rest of the scandinavian peninsula.

Stephanopolis: That's quite a big claim. How about the rest of the Scandinavian peninsula for now? You'd be most welcome.

Miamoria: No-ones jumping into Ireland, as whomever said I have been there since the beginning, I've just altered the borders to offer a different split. Pictavia is a larger nation with less land than you, so I'd be hesitant to give any up. I'd still like to invade however if your up for it?

Surailia: Calizornistan just occupied the gap. No new borders have been drawn, they've been like that since the start.

Beatus/Stok: As long as you don't 'infringe' on any unclaimed territory, I don't have a problem with ICly swapping about your territories.

Sorry, the above post was me again.

West Scandia: I don't know, what do you propose?

If I can, I would like to have a coast on the baltic sea, and the northern coast of russia, with a little bit of land.

Perhaps I cloud have a line going to the Beatus-Stolkomovi border. I'd like to have a nice little border with a few nations ;)

Sorry if that's too much:(:(:(

Firstly, cut out smilies it looks n00bish and unprofessional. Secondly, I don't think, unless your nation is 10 km wide and forms an upside-down U-type shape that you will border Torvque, Beatus and Stokmolvi, have some of Scandinavia and Baltic coast. I'd suggest choosing Baltic coast or Scandinavia.

If I can, I would like to have a coast on the baltic sea, and the northern coast of russia, with a little bit of land.

Perhaps I cloud have a line going to the Beatus-Stolkomovi border. I'd like to have a nice little border with a few nations ;)

Sorry if that's too much

I would suggest a warm water Baltic port then.

Firstly, cut out smilies it looks n00bish and unprofessional.

oh, act your age :p

That might have worked if youhadn't announced it on a public forum in a popular thread.

This is ooc, your nations won't know it ICly

oh, act your age :p

I've been here since March. And if you look I don't use smilies that often in my posts. Its not about how long you've been here, either. 'Act your age', lol I most definetly wouldn't be on NS if I had done that.

Gotta admit, Steph, that is a lot of land for a small country. How about this? I think it fits what you wanted, and it'll give you plenty of room to grow your nation.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/you.jpg

Although I don't see the big appeal of having a border that goes all the way to Stoklomolvi. You spelled it wrong, by the way, but that was probably innocent enough.

If I were you, I'd claim more land around Eastern Europe.

I've been here since March. And if you look I don't use smilies that often in my posts. Its not about how long you've been here, either. 'Act your age', lol I most definetly wouldn't be on NS if I had done that.

I don't use smilies at all, and I don't tolerate them ICly, but this is a mostly OOC thread, so I don't think it matters.

Stephinopolis: Copy the EA map and draw round the territory you're after, preferably with a similar landmass as within Torvque's borders. Thanks!

I've been here since March. And if you look I don't use smilies that often in my posts. Its not about how long you've been here, either. 'Act your age', lol I most definetly wouldn't be on NS if I had done that.

Yea, March of '07...;)

I don't use smilies at all, and I don't tolerate them ICly, but this is a mostly OOC thread, so I don't think it matters.

my philosophy: ICly is bad, OOCly is ok just don't go over board on them, but really it doesn't matter

Stephinapolis, if you really want to extend your lands near my border, feel free to do so. Stoklomolvi could always use more...

Darn, I was planning on "claiming" the rest of unclaimed Russia. Arr.

Stephinapolis, if you really want to extend your lands near my border, feel free to do so. Stoklomolvi could always use more...

Darn, I was planning on "claiming" the rest of unclaimed Russia. Arr.

You can still have it, you'll just have to work for it!

Stoklomolvi: Shhh...

I was gonna say something, but for the life of me, I can't remember what.

I'm still here. Don't you dare think of giving away my claim, all of you! *steely eyed glare* :) <-- (Couldn't find a respectable glare-smiley)

Don't worry, your land is firmly secured!

Don't worry, your land is firmly secured!

Well, you never can tell with some of my neighbors...

That wasn't meant as an OOC jab, just a statement of fact.

Whoa, hold on. NP is telling everyone what they claimed is what they get but he extended his Irish territory. Doesn't that seem a little hypocritic?

Allright, the indirect way of addressing me is a bit condescending. Okay, I suppose on paper it is a tad hypocritical, but here are the facts:


Pictavia's been in Ireland since the very beginning, and hasn't just tore into Miamoria's territory.

Miamoria has never had more territory than what it has currently, as the current border was the first offered to Miamoria.

My territory has been extended by approximately 4000 sq miles, which is extremely negligible considering the vast portions of land being claimed by everyone else.

Pictiavia isn't claiming land that could be used for another homeland, just altering the borders. It does not effect newcomers with land claims whatsoever compared to other claims which include large portions of uninhabited territory.

Pictavia's probably claimed the least land overall with population taken into account. Lets face it, she ain't inhabiting much.

Miamoria has a smaller population than Pictavia and yet more of the British Isles. Even with the additional 4000 sq miles Miamoria still inhabits most of the land.

The original territory claimed by Pictavia in Ireland was insignificant as I thought a nation would still want Ireland as their homeland. Instead, Miamoria claimed England, Wales and part of Ireland so I believed this to be a far fairer split.

Finally, this is really up to Miamoria, as he's not exactly contested the issue besides one post and hasn't responded to my telegram offering war as an IC solution. If Miamoria really has problems with it then I'm sure he'll come round to an IC solution.

The original territory claimed by Pictavia in Ireland was insignificant as I thought a nation would still want Ireland as their homeland. Instead, Miamoria claimed England, Wales and part of Ireland so I believed this to be a far fairer split.

I agree with NP. Since no one claimed ireland, I don't see any problem with him claiming a tiny slice of land.

I would extremely prefer if no one invaded me. Thanks and sorry.

I'm new to all this but can I have Greenland for my country - fjordenberg.
What do I have to do?

I would extremely prefer if no one invaded me. Thanks and sorry.

Miamoria - It appears that you don't appreciate the situation. Nova Pictavia has drawn the border giving him your province of Connacht and half of Munster. You are only left with Leinster and the other half of Munster or in other terms 15 counties. Nova Pictavia has Ulster, Connacht, the half of Munster or 17 counties.

My suggestion: NP gets Ulster and Connacht, Miamoria gets Leinster and Munster. The border would be the old one except it would go down until the sharpest indent after that peninsula which Connacht is situated on. Hard to show you but if you look at this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Ireland) Miamoria gets 1 and 2 and NP gets 3 and 4.

I'm new to all this but can I have Greenland for my country - fjordenberg.
What do I have to do?

Well, you just have to say you claim Greenland but it is not [completely] visible on the map. I suggest Svalbard which is that island north of Oily Prata and the Beatus (I think).

Well, you just have to say you claim Greenland but it is not [completely] visible on the map. I suggest Svalbard which is that island north of Oily Prata and the Beatus (I think).

I thought that was my Island?

Hey guys, this is Corbournne here. Hopefully some of you remember me from my earlier stint here. School basically took up all my time, and that's why I haven't been here in awhile. I'm ready to start anew however, and I would like to begin by requesting a claim here. If accepted, I will go ahead and move my reclaimed nation to the region, etc.

Claim: As much of the Baltic coast as you'll let me have, with some kind of territory extending into the mainland near RL Poland

I'm not gonna be much more picky than that.

Map plx? Oh, and the Beatus, I'll make the thread soon.

Fjordenberg: Doesn't seem like a problem to me. I'll TG you the regional password and update the map by the end of today.

Corbournne: Any specific preferences? I'd prefer to give you only a portion of the Baltic coastline and more territory inland so other new claims don't end up completely landlocked. Unless you want something precise, I'll draw you in tomorrow. Will TG you the regional password today though!

Thanks!

Uiri regarding your previous preposition i agree to those terms. If NP agree's i would appreciate if someone edited the map.

Can I still add Spanish Morrocco to my claim?

Corbournne: Any specific preferences? I'd prefer to give you only a portion of the Baltic coastline and more territory inland so other new claims don't end up completely landlocked. Unless you want something precise, I'll draw you in tomorrow. Will TG you the regional password today though!

Thanks!

Well, I'd like the RL Poland with my borders extending to Calizornistan, No Taxes, and Yanitaria, I'd also appreciate what's left of Russia extending to Moscow in the east and St. Petersburg (being my only other coastal region, leaving the Baltic States open), creating borders with Stoklomolvi and Torvque.

I understand this may be a bit much, so, if need be, cut it off as you see fit.

You're purposely doing that to frustrate me, aren't you...great, there goes our land gain, Beatus.

You're purposely doing that to frustrate me, aren't you...great, there goes our land gain, Beatus.
I don't think NP was going to allow you to claim unclaimed land. Now you actually have the opportunity to gain the land through IC conquest.

You're purposely doing that to frustrate me, aren't you...great, there goes our land gain, Beatus.

The land is still there, we just need to work a little harder to get it!

Stok, you and beatus could totally take that guy. Instead of being frustrated, do what every frustrated politician does. INVADE!

Stok, you and beatus could totally take that guy. Instead of being frustrated, do what every frustrated politician does. INVADE!
Except I might have a little something to say about an invasion so close to my border.

No Taxes: I have been planning on conquering the land alongside the Beatus for a while ICly...as my past few posts have stated...

Yani: Maybe...I just noticed that even though he's older than I am, his population is smaller. His economy is also weaker, though probably the mega alliance system is going to drag the whole of EA into war.

You're purposely doing that to frustrate me, aren't you...great, there goes our land gain, Beatus.

Yes, that was my plan in the beginning.

But not really. :p

With Stok's money, and the donations from some investors, he could hire No Taxian companies to fight with him.

Intervening as a government would then be against your pro-business attitude, and might get you some land to boot.

Anyways. Stok, check your TG's (in a few minutes), I have a new secret weapons project you might like.

Hurrah! Replied.

Holy Shit, I passed my 1000th post already.

Does I get free n00ks nao?

Yus, you get n00kz, but you has to paie $100 billionz for each nuke for upkeeps!

A lot of nothing.

Eh? I posted in response to Oily Prata but I posted before him...

2 days and 5 pages. You guys are prolific.
What's going on?

yeah we are gods, sorry i'm not on as much i haven't lost interest, but exams are making me need to ignore you a little more....

Yani: what are the stats on ma army, or did you forget :P ? and i might be interested in this weapons project, i have allot of money to throw around




Surailia: Calizornistan just occupied the gap. No new borders have been drawn, they've been like that since the start.




Yes but i have objected to those borders for a while now but you were you for Christmas and i don't blame you over those 2 weeks we wrote like 40 pages of boring dialog, i posted a map somewhere back there its just your curve is a tad steep, i'm sorry i am being so adamant i would just rather not redraw my national maps...(please don't make me it might actually kill me)....


Also: until further notice i am neutral in this whole land grab and am willing to allow summits in surailia to help solve the conflict without, in lamens terms havening to bomb the living shit out of the east

Uiri regarding your previous preposition i agree to those terms. If NP agree's i would appreciate if someone edited the map.

Hmmm... I would personally prefer an IC solution because Pictavia would hardly allow a past enemy to have so much territory beyond her borders. I'll take a look at it nonetheless, but to be fair, my previous points all still stand. You still have far, far more of the British Isles than I with a lesser population. I can understand if you don't want war, but this is a region for II roleplay and that is really how it would go down. We do have a strong "You want it? Fight for it!" policy in the region after all.


Can I still add Spanish Morrocco to my claim?

Nope, sorry. Someone may still want that claim, and ----Kenny---- already has a largish claim. Either way, we're refraining from colonial-type claims.


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It is a bit much, but I'll edit it down to Poland and see how you feel.

I don't think NP was going to allow you to claim unclaimed land. Now you actually have the opportunity to gain the land through IC conquest.

Correcto! Stok, cut it out! You already have the largest claim in the region when there are more populous nations than yourself. Sorry man, last time I'm gunna say it though, if you want it, you'll have to invade. (and that means invade someone, not nothing!)

2 days and 5 pages. You guys are prolific.
What's going on?

You say what me thinks! It does keep it bumped up though, plus the level of involvement is admirable. Thanks guys!

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Don't worry about being absent man, that's fine. Although if I apparently cannot add a province to my already very conservative claim when everyone else still wants large portions of land, then there's not much I can do. Again, "If you want it, fight for it!".

Hmmm... I would personally prefer an IC solution because Pictavia would hardly allow a past enemy to have so much territory beyond her borders. I'll take a look at it nonetheless, but to be fair, my previous points all still stand. You still have far, far more of the British Isles than I with a lesser population. I can understand if you don't want war, but this is a region for II roleplay and that is really how it would go down. We do have a strong "You want it? Fight for it!" policy in the region after all.

"You want it? Fight for it!"

I suggest you take your own advice NP. The 'current border' when Miamoria's history was written was you have Ulster he has the rest. About 'more land with less population', the difference is neglible. He joined two months after you and that isn't that big a gap, trust me. Compare, oh, France and Canada. Canada has more land but less population. Compare US and Canada. Not as big a difference as Canada and France but Canada still has more land with less population. In a few monthes the difference will be way less than it is now. You'll be 0.2 billion bigger but that difference looks smaller that way.

You want Connacht, I guess you can have it. You want part of Munster? Fight for it. IC solution means you need to fight for Connacht and Munster unless Miamoria finds it in his heart to give you 5/12 of the island in addirion to your 1/6. 5/12 is half his irish territory. Just one further note, even if you had the whole Irish Isle he would still have more land.

Just one further note, even if you had the whole Irish Isle he would still have more land.

Exactly. I drew the current border on a flat synthetic map of Ireland and it's pretty much a 50/50 split land-wise, which is pretty fair. Also, I've put the "You want it, fight for it!" policy forward as you have so eloquently mentioned, and Miamoria's refused. Finally, I was absent over Christmas when our "history" was agreed upon without any agreement from myself. As I recall, I was told what our history was by a third party. Now, its a decent split of Ireland, Miamoria still has more land, and its up to him what he wants to do about it.
And its not totally hypocritical. I've tried to keep borders as fair as possible claim-wise, that is Surailia got Corsica, the bulge into his territory was reduced slightly, the Calizornistani border was moved slightly east to compensate for any loss of territory, Stok was granted far more territory than the rules stated and Yanitaria was given the isles he asked for after his claim was made. Well this is my compromise. Again, the following stands as the current border was drawn with Miamoria's addition to the map, technically, no land was taken away from him:

"The original territory claimed by Pictavia in Ireland was insignificant as I thought a nation would still want Ireland as their homeland. Instead, Miamoria claimed England, Wales and part of Ireland so I believed this to be a far fairer split."

Quite frankly Uiri, you've been quite rude about this. Miamoria on the other hand hasn't, and that is why it is still up for discussion. If this is about your original extensions to your claim being rejected then that is a different matter. I simply could not let you have the Thames region alongside parts of south-east England as it would severely hamper any future claims for English territory. Now, let this be the end of it unless Miamoria wishes to continue, which he is more than welcome to via telegram where we can work something out between the two nations involved.

I'm not OOCly claiming anything. I'm going to invade whatever is there, and people will die, whether it is by attrition or something random like rocks falling and breaking their hands and causing them to bleed to death. I have something planned with the Beatus.

Stok, I trust you have no intention of expanding to the north sea, no?

No, I do not. I just want the rest of the Russian territory...

You will want A nice port in the north sea to get a strategic advantage over the others that currently I and Torvque have, no?

It is a bit much, but I'll edit it down to Poland and see how you feel.

Looks fine. I've gone ahead and moved to the region.

Anyone mind giving me a recap of what's going on in the shipping thread?

Looks fine. I've gone ahead and moved to the region.

Anyone mind giving me a recap of what's going on in the shipping thread?

I think it's dead.

I think it's dead.

Ah, well then, that makes catching up easier.

It doesn't have to be dead, we could certainly get things going again.

Nope, sorry. Someone may still want that claim, and ----Kenny---- already has a largish claim. Either way, we're refraining from colonial-type claims.

It's not like it's that much more [Map] (http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii290/Twilight201/EAPoliticalMapMkXII.png), and i mean there are 3 billion of us...besides i'm not colonizing it, nor do I want to colonize, i'm annexing it.

I'm going to be gone until tomorrow evening with work, so I'll think about it! See ya's later!

NP, I'm Truly sorry that you are facing a problem with your neighbor, i although i have written a whole mess of maps and have written a beginnings of history for each region.


Sorry its so big.....Calorzistan if you see this maybe we can figure something out
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/Adamus4414/Surailia-2.gif

Can you send ne the password so that I can join

NP, I'm Truly sorry that you are facing a problem with your neighbor, i although i have written a whole mess of maps and have written a beginnings of history for each region.


Sorry its so big.....Calorzistan if you see this maybe we can figure something out


How 'bout this: Map (http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii290/Twilight201/Surailia-2.gif)

Corbournne, No Taxes, would you perhaps like to discuss trade rights, and police cooperation along our border?

I'd even go so far as to sign a defensive alliance. I certainly wouldn't like an aggressive state invading a nation right next to mine.

Corbournne, No Taxes, would you perhaps like to discuss trade rights, and police cooperation along our border?

I'd even go so far as to sign a defensive alliance. I certainly wouldn't like an aggressive state invading a nation right next to mine.
Check your TGs.

NP, I'm Truly sorry that you are facing a problem with your neighbor, i although i have written a whole mess of maps and have written a beginnings of history for each region.


Sorry its so big.....Calorzistan if you see this maybe we can figure something out

It's okay, what should we figure something out.

Yes, I am posting as Dutchy again Uiri will stay out of here. Its a pain in the ass switching between puppets but considering the two have absolutely no ties it makes no sense to post in here as Uiri.

Surailia:

The citizens of my Kingdom are prohibited from sharing, selling or subjecting Surailians to narcotic substances, first or second-hand smoke or otherwise. Should they you may give them full punishment for possesion and whatever crimes Surailian law may charge upon them.

Calzorinstan:

What the drug policies in Calzorinstan?

Hey, I've been recommended by a friend (Yanitaria) to join nation states, and he suggested I join his region. I was wonderin if i could claim morroco and algeria, it seems big i know... but there isn't much except useless dessert there thats useful for really only glass and limited oil production. Most my population would have to be situated on the coast, as thats really the only place they could live. thanks

BTW, Surailia, I haven't forgotten your military. I am working on it right now.

Corbournne, No Taxes, would you perhaps like to discuss trade rights, and police cooperation along our border?

I'd even go so far as to sign a defensive alliance. I certainly wouldn't like an aggressive state invading a nation right next to mine.

TGed.

Corbournne, No Taxes, would you perhaps like to discuss trade rights, and police cooperation along our border?

I'd even go so far as to sign a defensive alliance. I certainly wouldn't like an aggressive state invading a nation right next to mine.

Would it be possible for hectonia to be included also?

kenny: the problem is that i have written like 12 different maps, its like with the puppets of larger nations here i have made too much effort on building surailia to go back to scratch that area that you are trying to keep is actually one of the more important areas in surailia...I'm actually kind of begging you to just let me have that land

Everyone: eventually we need to write a better detailed map our borders are too...wonky

Yani:Thanks a bunch and send me a TG about that weapon...I'd love to invest

Cal: Thank you so much for the co-operation

Stok: Are you still willing to help me make a Wiki.....I'm So helpless

IC to Benelux:

We are still demanding that you take the initiative that our nation has and build "safe houses" in the kingdoms that border your own. This is not a problem with the sharing of narcotics, its the peoples choice but lately we have noticed an influx of Bums in our parks and such.....

IC Reply:

You have the authority to jail them to the full extent of your law.

OOC: there are no jails in Surailia, we send the Criminals to a Re-hab program and if the problem persists after a while we generally work with them to make the problem go away or ultimately kill them ( the method of execution varies by kingdom, usually injection, but they still hang people in some parts of Corsica)

Brainwashing for the win. About the wiki, link and information and whatnot so I know what you need?

kenny: the problem is that i have written like 12 different maps, its like with the puppets of larger nations here i have made too much effort on building surailia to go back to scratch that area that you are trying to keep is actually one of the more important areas in surailia...I'm actually kind of begging you to just let me have that land

What? I don't understand what your saying in the first part.

What land, how much land, and why is this land so important that you need to beg me for it?

@Kenny- Yeah i started rambling... I'm not begging you for land.., although originally my claim did go a bit into Spain on the other side of the mountains if you are willing to discuss it i would be happy there too. But I'm happy with my maps as they are.

@Stok: I have no Wiki i was hoping you'd get me one started

NP: Never mind, actually. I'll do without them. May I have Rockall, though? My nation needs some rescources if it's going to be able to keep involved in regional economics. It's only a hunk of basalt, anyway.

Also, are we allowed to colonise land within the region ICly?
Only if it is already claimed.

Only if it is already claimed.

Damn. **crumples up map of Europe dotted with Scandian flags**

Has Fjordenburg's claim to Greenland been accepted?

Would it be possible for hectonia to be included also?

Sure thing, the basic outline is a mutual protection pact, tax breaks for each others corporations, allowing police to cross borders in pursuit, and I'll be giving you the full 45% EA member&Ally discount at my store. Also, I'll give you an embassy so that I can mark you down as an ally. Also there is a Free Trade agreement, but that's about it. You'll have to talk to NP and Corbournne to see what they want.

Also, this is available for any nation that borders me, present and future.

[Yani:Thanks a bunch and send me a TG about that weapon...I'd love to invest

Oh, I forgot. It's actually a lulz weapon that fires lasers at the enemy to make them have an insatiable need to pleasure themselves. That's why I didn't post it here.

About your airforce, I am currently rewriting my own, to use the superior technology of the soviet union. The helicopters are ugly, but pretty much everything out does american tech (minus the A-10) and costs about half as much.

Has Fjordenburg's claim to Greenland been accepted?

Yes

Yes

Excellent.

OOC: there are no jails in Surailia, we send the Criminals to a Re-hab program and if the problem persists after a while we generally work with them to make the problem go away or ultimately kill them ( the method of execution varies by kingdom, usually injection, but they still hang people in some parts of Corsica)

OOC: Ohhh...ok, well then...you could always export them back here. Just send us a monthly (or weekly) shipment of our citizens. I suggest sailing up the coast and dropping them in Amsterdam or Den Haag. Could that work?

Everyone else but especially Calzorinstan: What are your stances on drugs and if they are legal could you ship them to the rest of the world using Benelux as a middle man? Its easier to reach other countries across Atlantica. Even if you ban them, are you OK with them passing through to other countries? And I know I've probably asked this before.

OOC: Ohhh...ok, well then...you could always export them back here. Just send us a monthly (or weekly) shipment of our citizens. I suggest sailing up the coast and dropping them in Amsterdam or Den Haag. Could that work?

Everyone else but especially Calzorinstan: What are your stances on drugs and if they are legal could you ship them to the rest of the world using Benelux as a middle man? Its easier to reach other countries across Atlantica. Even if you ban them, are you OK with them passing through to other countries?

I think you already know my stance on drugs, but just in case, soft drugs are legal, and things like weed are a major cash crop, while hard drugs are imported by the Capitalist Underground.

Yanitaria: How about importing that our way? I don't think anyone will send drugs through you to us though.

Everyone else but especially Calzorinstan: What are your stances on drugs and if they are legal could you ship them to the rest of the world using Benelux as a middle man? Its easier to reach other countries across Atlantica. Even if you ban them, are you OK with them passing through to other countries? And I know I've probably asked this before.
Every type of drug is legal in No Taxes and with no tariffs of any kind, it might actually be easier to go through No Taxes, but whatever.

OOC: yeah i'm not really liking the whole drugs thing RL Amsterdam is in shambles because of it...so i dono how heavy my stance on drugs is gonna be....but our heroin is kick ass

Yani: My nation has recently started a space program too

IC:

If we are to ship your delinquents back to you we then demand that you pay for the Shipments,

OOC:What about by train?

I don't know if I like any of the current/past gen space craft. Although the MiG is pretty cool looking.

Every drug is strictly monitored in Stoklomolvi, and drug traffickers automatically have bounties attached to their necks; you kill one, you get $20,000. Drugs are only legal in the hands of doctors in the hospital themselves; elsewhere, you can get shot for it. Like for any other crime. With no trial.

Well, I'm hoping on putting up a colony in there, im still a lil gun shy after the whole engineers forum disaster (thanks yani :'( ) but yeah

Stok: What kind of Security passes do my citizens get in Stok

OOC: yeah i'm not really liking the whole drugs thing RL Amsterdam is in shambles because of it...so i dono how heavy my stance on drugs is gonna be....but our heroin is kick ass

Yani: My nation has recently started a space program too

IC:

If we are to ship your delinquents back to you we then demand that you pay for the Shipments,

OOC:What about by train?

OK, what about drugs shipped from ---Kenny--- (if they are legal where he is)
Yes we shall pay for the importation of our druggies.
Train could work but the lines would be also used by normal people and freight. Druggies would fall under frieght.
Every type of drug is legal in No Taxes and with no tariffs of any kind, it might actually be easier to go through No Taxes, but whatever.

Yes, most likely Yanitaria - No Taxes - Calzorinstan - Benelux - Outside Countries trade route, buying and selling drugs along the way. Except in Calzorinstan & if he forbids the shipment of drugs through his lands I'm screwed.

I'm fine with letting Kenny's trade through my nation (tarrifs of course) no matter what he is selling, also drugs are legal here its just that the druggies are ruining our tourist attractions we keep our drug addicts in rehab centers and safe homes at night

Yes, most likely Yanitaria - No Taxes - Calzorinstan - Benelux - Outside Countries trade route, buying and selling drugs along the way. Except in Calzorinstan & if he forbids the shipment of drugs through his lands I'm screwed.
You could just fly them in, unless he plans on shooting down cargo planes.

Drugs are illegal to own, possess, or transport in ----Kenny----, it's possetions, and it's territorial waters

Hurrah for illegal drugs and shooting drug traffickers.
Where the Sidewalk Ends
That poet much?

Surailia: Level 3.

also, gay rights huh? what are yours?

Surailia-Gays get all the same rights as everyone else and get marriage rights, but a priest can deny marrying them and it is a hate crime to abuse a gay man/woman and our capital has a huge gay district.

OOC: Ciricia can be like Milan ie the fashion capital of Europa Atlantica

Stok: level 3 meaning?

Gays are shot. End of story.

Level 3. (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/stoklomolvi_passport.html)

West Scandia is a very (in many ways) right-wing, conservative country. Gay marriage is illegal.

However, the government does not butt into what they do privately.

Nonetheless, if you start walking around with rainbows all over you, you're likely to wake up in one of Krøsfjord's many dumpsters. Vigilante justice, my friends, it's quite effective.

Vigilante justice, my friends, it's quite effective.
You should see vigilante justice in No Taxes. There are no government-run police forces and any citizen can own any type of weapon (barring nuclear, biological and chemical weapons).

You should see vigilante justice in No Taxes. There are no government-run police forces and any citizen can own any type of weapon (barring nuclear, biological and chemical weapons).

Would any of your citizens mind selling said weapons? :D

Gay people have no restrictions in Yanitaria. Cut's down on admin costs, too.

Yay Surailia is the Gay capital of the world!!, and fashion as of now!

Would any of your citizens mind selling said weapons? :D
I am sure that out of over 4 Billion people some of them would be willing to sell some weapons, I also have plenty of mercenaries for hire.

That poet much?

Very good, you get a cookie. Now can you tell me who wrote

also, gay rights huh? what are yours?

We don't have any retrictions against them

OOC: Ciricia can be like Milan ie the fashion capital of Europa Atlantica

Only if Kennyopolis can be it's financial center

Only if Kennyopolis can be it's financial center lol
Now, just hold on a second. Kennyopolis might be the banking center, but any No Taxes should definitely be the financial capital, I mean our GDP is over twice as large as yours.

Now, just hold on a second. Kennyopolis might be the banking center, but any No Taxes should definitely be the financial capital, I mean our GDP is over twice as large as yours.

You think we're just a nation of bankers?

You know what we probably shouldn't do this, making "centers" of stuff all over the region, nothing good will come of it.

lolz....

well think this way

Surailia:Cultural center like Milan or Paris
Kenny: Banking Paradise like Switzerland
Benelux:lots of drugs....and dikes (not lesbians)
No taxes: Financial Capital like Hong Kong or Tokyo
Stoklovolvi: Hell on earth(just kidding) a Soviet paradise
Yani:...not sure


also i plan on letting in 3 houses into the Royal Chambres d'Haute Couture tell me if you want to put a guy in there.

see my last post ^

lolz....

well think this way

Surailia:Cultural center like Milan or Paris
Kenny: Banking Paradise like Switzerland
Benelux:lots of drugs....and dikes (not lesbians)
No taxes: Financial Capital like Hong Kong or Tokyo
Stoklovolvi: Hell on earth(just kidding) a Soviet paradise
Yani:...not sure


also i plan on letting in 3 houses into the Royal Chambres d'Haute Couture tell me if you want to put a guy in there.

yes well, i think we can start kin of bringing about powerful cities and shaping the region a bit, since we have basically filled up

Hell on earth?! Once again, I am NOT A SOVIET. Do I need a NEEDLE to INSERT that in your HEAD? Stoklomolvi could be the most dictatorial police-state in EA...

If we are talking about centers, you could call the Beatus the ship building center of the region.

Yanitaria would be something like the booze and bread basket. Yeast Capital perhaps?

Also, Kenny, since you have such tight drug laws, how about an RP with my Capitalist Underground shipping in Shift. That'd be interesting, your police vs. my syndicate.

If we are talking about centers, you could call the Beatus the ship building center of the region.

In that case, I call Arms Capital.

But really, capitals of EA are just kinda dumb.

*I also call Indie (as in Indie Music/Films/Books and hipsterism) capital of the world*

xnay on the arms i was just kind of thinking about things that the area's can be famous for, i forgot about your wine but thats what inspired me to think about what surailia can be famous for i was hoping to keep these things more or less civil types...plus NS is pretty famous for arms races. Also Milan and Paris are in different nations just because Surailia is the proclaimed culture capital of EA doesn't mean Yanitaria hasnst got a city or two with a strong indie scene

(plus the word is technically bohemianism and that occurs near any university.....for some reason....the more plentiful your universities the more bohemians you have....its funny though because i think its No taxes that covers the actual area of bohemia)

I call Oil-Producing Capital of EA.
Oh, and world premier producer of Viking Toys.

What would happen If I extended my sea borders 150 Miles or so?

Read Me!
The big update of EA by order of the management, governing EA with a fascist like iron hand since 2007!

Europa Atlantica MkXV
Firstly, whoa do you guys like to chat! Keep it up! I would also like to announce the new map is up depicting our new members.

Good evening, and hello from the Mediterranica. It has recently come to our attention of your regions startling growth, on which, first of all, we wish to congratulate you. With such growth comes greater problems, greater problems of mistrust, agitation, disunity and defense. It is said however that every obstacle is an opportunity in disguise.

Therefore on behalf of the Mediterranica Council, the general governing body of aforementioned august region, wishes to extend the hand of friendship to our friends in Europa Atlantica. We wish to offer, as part of the Bilateral Treaties Directives, an economic agreement that will be mutually beneficially in the financial realms and also build greater trust between larger entities. As we understand it, nothing has been done so far on such a grand scale, region by region alliance by alliance, is what we plan sir.

The initial proposal is straightforward enough: “The first level is that of economic cooperation consisting of a very few basic principles. The first is that all domestic and foreign items shipped between economically aligned states shall pay no tariff over 5% with the exception of necessary goods such as food, water, or humanitarian aide, upon which no tariffs shall be levied. Military armaments and equipment are not included in this category and any form of taxes may be levied by individual states, as the MU, and we believe the world at large will not sacrifice the security of member states by the reduction of said taxes or risk a sudden and potentially harmful influx of weaponry into any member state.

Secondly a free trade zone shall be established by the office of MU Secretary within the MU International Zone, and respective area shall be set up within the counter nation or entity of the MU. As the Secretary is within his rights to do so in the IZ, this point may either be canceled or brought up on an individual scale.

Diplomatically the MU shall extend its hand as well, and offer an exchange of regional embassies, as well as consulates within any interested nations. In exchange the MU would obviously accept a joint embassy within the IZ, and if individual nations are interested with the Med All opposing entities under this category shall be named as Grade 1 Allies.” All these terms are directly copied from the Bilateral Treaties Directive, and allow a large level of autonomy within the boundaries, and so we believe it very reasonable. And anything within this treaty is of course negotiable, but we do not wish to aim too high in our initial proposal.

We need not mention that together the GDP of Europa Atlantica, and Mediterranica equal to around two quadrillion dollars, and on our part all of that will be in open markets. For you see I speak not on behalf of the Waldenburg Empire alone but for the entire region, every state, and every dollar represented there in. And once of course trust is built up between our constituent entities so far as to promulgate such things, there is a grade two alliance, made of mutual defense pact amongst other things, one whose combined armies would number in the billions, and would not be threatened by even the most belligerent of tyrants. That perhaps is for another day however, please discuss these with those inside the august halls of the Atlantica, and see if they will not agree to a more prosperous future. All things are of course negotiable and we look forward to hearing on the subject. Copies of this will be sent to other influential members, and I believe a delegate of the newly established Corbournne shall be able to attest for our sincerity in this matter.

Signed:
His Grace and Excellency Vice Secretary of the MU Archduke Leopold von Waldenburg II of the Waldenburg Empire

The first order of the day is this telegram I among others have received from the states of Mediterranica. Basically, they are offering an inter-regional economic pact. As at the moment, the Atlantican Union is not yet established (I believed that it would be wise to wait until after the Great Atlantican [Cold] War). Nevertheless, I believe this should be put up for discussion before I thread together a formal reply. Finally, I have also underwent plans to create the Inter-Entity Strategic Alliance as a mutual trade and defence body between regions and alliances, creating a "Super-alliance" in itself. However, one step at a time!

Hey, I've been recommended by a friend (Yanitaria) to join nation states, and he suggested I join his region. I was wonderin if i could claim morroco and algeria, it seems big i know... but there isn't much except useless dessert there thats useful for really only glass and limited oil production. Most my population would have to be situated on the coast, as thats really the only place they could live. thanks

No problem. Regional Password will be telegrammed to you. Welcome to the region! Just one thing, the territory is granted with a split of N.Africa. As you can see, your territory is on the left. Also, ----Kenny---- has expressed an interest in the territory of N.Africa just south of Gibraltar (Just the peninsula, nothing more), to which I'll leave for you two to discuss for now.

Can you send ne the password so that I can join

Sorry! I'll get on it unless anyone else has. Your territory is confirmed too!

Dutchy
Would you mind sending me your work on the AU so I could incorporate it into mine? I'll send you my email address via telegram as its the best way for me to avoid losing it! Thanks!

West Scandia
If you are sure, nonetheless Rockall is yours.

----Kenny----
As you can see, the new member has claimed North Africa. Should you still want the peninsula, I have left it upto him to discuss with you. However, I would support territory in N.Africa for you if Portugal was removed from your claim. I know you have every right to it, its just in the spirit of making more interesting borders. Either way does not bother me so let me know if you guys reach a decision!

The Final Word
I see you've been discussing industry! Well as my page reads "A powerhouse of a private sector is dominated by the Information Technology industry". This is to such an extent of dominance that it is the only industry mentioned on my page compared to others who may have two or three successful industries. Nevertheless, its pretty damn strong.
If I have missed anyone out in this update, give me a shout!

Cheers,
~Picts

----Kenny----
As you can see, the new member has claimed North Africa. Should you still want the peninsula, I have left it upto him to discuss with you. However, I would support territory in N.Africa for you if Portugal was removed from your claim. I know you have every right to it, its just in the spirit of making more interesting borders. Either way does not bother me so let me know if you guys reach a decision!


I actually wouldn't mind removing Portugal at all, but in return I would like the part of N. Africa I originally asked for Map Link (http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii290/Twilight201/EAPoliticalMapMkXII-1.png)

WARNING: Über long post ahead.

Before I respond to about two pages of stuff I have another question regarding laws of your nation:

Prostitution, Abortion and Euthanasia?

You could just fly them in, unless he plans on shooting down cargo planes.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I was thinking of something more along the lines of the 'Drug Chain' where all the drug dealers of the region gather.

Drugs are illegal to own, possess, or transport in ----Kenny----, it's possetions, and it's territorial waters

OK thank you for the information

also, gay rights huh? what are yours?

Surailia-Gays get all the same rights as everyone else and get marriage rights, but a priest can deny marrying them and it is a hate crime to abuse a gay man/woman and our capital has a huge gay district.

Well, pretty much the same but they call it 'Personal Union' instead of marriage if it is performed by the Kingdom as opposed to a Church.

Gays are shot. End of story.

Level 3. (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/stoklomolvi_passport.html)

If you become part of the AU you will more/less need to give Level 5 to all other members.

You should see vigilante justice in No Taxes. There are no government-run police forces and any citizen can own any type of weapon (barring nuclear, biological and chemical weapons).

lol, thank God we don't share a border. Guns would be impossible to prevent from spilling over.

Gay people have no restrictions in Yanitaria. Cut's down on admin costs, too.

Yay Gay Rights!

lolz....

well think this way

Surailia:Cultural center like Milan or Paris
Kenny: Banking Paradise like Switzerland
Benelux:lots of drugs....and dikes (not lesbians)
No taxes: Financial Capital like Hong Kong or Tokyo
Stoklovolvi: Hell on earth(just kidding) a Soviet paradise
Yani:...not sure


also i plan on letting in 3 houses into the Royal Chambres d'Haute Couture tell me if you want to put a guy in there.

You have permission to include the Dutch Royal House.
As for my 'capital' I'd like something along the lines of Cargo Capital in Rotterdam as opposed to Drug Capital in Amsterdam.

Yanitaria would be something like the booze and bread basket. Yeast Capital perhaps?

Also, Kenny, since you have such tight drug laws, how about an RP with my Capitalist Underground shipping in Shift. That'd be interesting, your police vs. my syndicate.

Sounds fine with me.

Read Me!
The big update of EA by order of the management, governing EA with a fascist like iron hand since 2007!

Europa Atlantica MkXV
Firstly, whoa do you guys like to chat! Keep it up! I would also like to announce the new map is up depicting our new members.



The first order of the day is this telegram I among others have received from the states of Mediterranica. Basically, they are offering an inter-regional economic pact. As at the moment, the Atlantican Union is not yet established (I believed that it would be wise to wait until after the Great Atlantican [Cold] War). Nevertheless, I believe this should be put up for discussion before I thread together a formal reply. Finally, I have also underwent plans to create the Inter-Entity Strategic Alliance as a mutual trade and defence body between regions and alliances, creating a "Super-alliance" in itself. However, one step at a time!

Dutchy
Would you mind sending me your work on the AU so I could incorporate it into mine? I'll send you my email address via telegram as its the best way for me to avoid losing it! Thanks!

The Final Word
I see you've been discussing industry! Well as my page reads "A powerhouse of a private sector is dominated by the Information Technology industry". This is to such an extent of dominance that it is the only industry mentioned on my page compared to others who may have two or three successful industries. Nevertheless, its pretty damn strong.
If I have missed anyone out in this update, give me a shout!

Cheers,
~Picts

I have cut out parts which do not partain to me.

Map: Looks full, I like it. Just though that Africa wasn't up for claim especially with Surailia and No Taxes participating in the Scramble for Africa thread.

Regional War: I think we have talked a lot about a WW1 with WW2 tech and timeframe considering Hectonia killing No Taxian Royalty would end up in Hectonia establishing independance NOW and the rest of the region probably wouldn't get involved like in RL WW1.

Super-alliance: I think it's only significance from say, the AU, should be its geographical range.

Post with latest version of Treaty of Brussels (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13282887&postcount=218)

Industry: Benelux's leading industry is Gambling on the page although I don't feel that would be as big as it says. If you want an idustry to be big in your country, no matter what it is, you can say it is. So if you want Beef & Dairy Agriculture to be your thing, go ahead.

I actually wouldn't mind removing Portugal at all, but in return I would like the part of N. Africa I originally asked for Map Link (http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii290/Twilight201/EAPoliticalMapMkXII-1.png)

Done. Portugal has been flipped as I'd imagine the RL Gibraltar area would be very well secured territorially, also to allow the EA Portugal to offer some sort of attraction with its north Iberian greens.
Kabavian was also given more eastern territory to compensate, including more coastline for habitation.

~Snip~

Maybe, but i am a little busy right now


WARNING: Über long post ahead.

Before I respond to about two pages of stuff I have another question regarding laws of your nation:

Prostitution, Abortion and Euthanasia?

No, Only in special cases, No


Map: Looks full, I like it. Just though that Africa wasn't up for claim especially with Surailia and No Taxes participating in the Scramble for Africa thread.

Scramble for Africa occured in a parallel Africa, not this one


Done. Portugal has been flipped as I'd imagine the RL Gibraltar area would be very well secured territorially, also to allow the EA Portugal to offer some sort of attraction with its north Iberian greens.
Kabavian was also given more eastern territory to compensate, including more coastline for habitation.

if it's not a problem can we just keep RL and EA Portugal's borders the same?

No, Only in special cases, No




Scramble for Africa occured in a parallel Africa, not this one





if it's not a problem can we just keep RL and EA Portugal's borders the same?

Very restrictive your laws are.
One and the same Surailia wanted them to be.
There is more fertile land in the North I think it is because.
Using OSV sentence structure I like.