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I need someone to RP Togo.

I'll rp them, but I'll just say they surrender, mostly because I don't have much time to RP them this weekend.

Anyone need oil? The discovery of more oil reserves in Ghana plus the fields I already have in Nigeria means I have a surplus right now. If you're interested, drop a post in my factbook, and we can work out a trade agreement.

Anyone need oil? The discovery of more oil reserves in Ghana plus the fields I already have in Nigeria means I have a surplus right now. If you're interested, drop a post in my factbook, and we can work out a trade agreement.

Granate's going green. We're using alternative fuels and Nuclear Energy to power my nation. Oil's not exactly something I am great need of. Sorry.

Calizorinstan would be interested in the surplus oil from Nigeria.

That's a shame. Nigeria still has to improve its economy more before it can go green. In fact, I'm planning to start exporting hardwoods in large quantities, seeing as I need another trade good to tempt those western countries with.

Granzi, RP some Tunisians in that thread.

Well, I'm in Poland. Don't have much time - what's happening? And Granate, if you can't RP it, don't be lame like that.

That's a shame. Nigeria still has to improve its economy more before it can go green. In fact, I'm planning to start exporting hardwoods in large quantities, seeing as I need another trade good to tempt those western countries with.

With less volatility in the oil countries, it leads you to wonder how less the price of oil is, and how much less is the drive to replace a cheap fuel whose countries are largely benign.

Yes we have minor players like me and Granzi all raising a fuss, but apart from us, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Venezuela, all them are just chillin’, exporting oil, and counting their money.

Well, I'm in Poland. Don't have much time - what's happening? And Granate, if you can't RP it, don't be lame like that.

Well what can he post? I still won't believe that Togo will rise up against these evil, democratic, liberalized Commonwealth of West African States to support their benevolent, tyrannical, has people disappear in the night dictator.

Well what can he post? I still won't believe that Togo will rise up against these evil, democratic, liberalized Commonwealth of West African States to support their benevolent, tyrannical, has people disappear in the night dictator.

What about the offer from Candistan? Plus, dictators like that don't care whether or not their country "prospers", etc. but whether they stay in power or not. Of course, in this case, I would say the smartest thing to do is lay back while Candistan dukes it out with Granzi, and take any leftovers. Unless Granate plans on RPing more as this happens - in that case, if he actually cares for the dictator's success, fine. It just seemed to me like "I don't care about Togo, so I'm just going to RP it in one sentence - "We surrender". Silly Granate, they weren't colonized by the French.

So Granzi...I think I did the math a few pages back...shouldn't you have a GDP of 350 billionish? So with the tax rate in there, your budget...and yet you spend 70 billion on military?

Even if you have a BUDGET of 318 billion (I don't know how though...) a defense budget of 70 billion is pretty high. Very high. For a country that claims that a few third-world dirt poor countries in Africa have "risen out of the dust" and prospered. I'm fine with your countries prospering, as you say, over the past couple of RP years to where they are now - but not if you're spending that big a portion of your budget on military. It's contradictory.

/Stealing Granate's Secondary Mod Title

AB and Honako hae a TG. If someone on this earth likes me and would help my nation, tell me so I can TG you too.

Well, I'm in Poland. Don't have much time - what's happening? And Granate, if you can't RP it, don't be lame like that.

Well what is Togo going to do against a large force like that? Call for help. But unfortunately no one cares about Togo like they did Dijibouti.

Well what is Togo going to do against a large force like that? Call for help. But unfortunately no one cares about Togo like they did Dijibouti.

Too far out of the way.

I don't really understand why a dictator would surrender. Surely they of all governments would fight till the death. However, I also don't really mind - it's up to who RP's it.

Replied to Kamp.

I don't really understand why a dictator would surrender. Surely they of all governments would fight till the death. However, I also don't really mind - it's up to who RP's it.

Replied to Kamp.

NO I REPLIED TO YOU! :D

Well what is Togo going to do against a large force like that? Call for help. But unfortunately no one cares about Togo like they did Dijibouti.

I do...I made that offer to "buy" them, keeping the dictator in power while he lets me mine their land and such.

I do...I made that offer to "buy" them, keeping the dictator in power while he lets me mine their land and such.
Maybe he couldn't afford to buy your services? :)

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Oh please. Your annexation of the Azores was just as short. It's not my fault that the Togolese don't take Candistan's offer of support, just as the Azores didn't take the Commonwealth's support.

I don't know where you're getting the GDP of 350 billion (perhaps the sum of the GDPs of the countries as they are in RL?]. But like I've said before, I'm RPing the history of the Commonwealth as one that has taken massive social-economic changes since it was founded. That's why I have a GDP of $1062.4 billion, which I might add, is still a fraction of that of the western powers.

Maybe he couldn't afford to buy your services? :)

No, I was going to buy Togo, he didn't need to pay for anything.

I don't really understand why a dictator would surrender. Surely they of all governments would fight till the death. However, I also don't really mind - it's up to who RP's it.
Of course the dictator would try to salvage his government. The question is, however, how many people would follow him? How many would be willing to take up arms for a man who has for decades oppressed them and held the country back while its neighbors have prospered?

Oh please. Your annexation of the Azores was just as short. It's not my fault that the Togolese don't take Candistan's offer of support, just as the Azores didn't take the Commonwealth's support.

I don't know where you're getting the GDP of 350 billion (perhaps the sum of the GDPs of the countries as they are in RL?]. But like I've said before, I'm RPing the history of the Commonwealth as one that has taken massive social-economic changes since it was founded. That's why I have a GDP of $1062.4 billion, which I might add, is still a fraction of that of the western powers.

still, you can't do that. That is alternate history. Unless you are saying it has changed since the beggining of this earth, and that is bs since you haven't rped it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530724

Kamp.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530724

Kamp.

fuck

still, you can't do that. That is alternate history. Unless you are saying it has changed since the beggining of this earth, and that is bs since you haven't rped it.
I have. It's practically my entire factbook.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530523

I have. It's practically my entire factbook.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530523

Ok. I really dont care now.

Also, note to others, THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER BE AN ISOLATIONIST!

Cuz then monster powers come and take fucking advantage of the man with no allies!

Honako, Check yer goddam TGs!

Ok. I really dont care now.

Also, note to others, THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER BE AN ISOLATIONIST!

Cuz then monster powers come and take fucking advantage of the man with no allies!
You wouldn't happen to be in Africa would you? Otherwise, can't help you there.

Hes in Eastern Europe.

I have. It's practically my entire factbook.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530523

You're increasing your GDP over three times what it is in real-life. I'm sorry, we just can't allow that. If you do what's stopping me from saying that my GDP is 5 trillion or even 10 trillion? Goodness knows my my country could do it. But I don't, my GDP is 2 Trillion, which is what all of the countries I control rolled into one would be if they did that.

Now you can increase your GDP a little bit, but no fucking way I am going to allow you to increase it threefold.

that was a damn long help plea...

Your nations may not be able to triple their GDP, simply because they're already fairly developed and do not have the capacity to produce more with existing technology. My nations however, in RL, are completely undeveloped. About half of them are in civil wars. Others, such as Nigeria suffer from endemic corruption that siphon away money from the people and hinder development of the economy. That's the kind of situation that leads to the current crappy RL GDP. Now, assuming that I obtain even some semblence of law and order and re-assert government authority over the region, that's going to double the GDP at least. Add on top of that the economic reforms, and I can easily triple my GDP, plus have more room to grow in the future.

Real-Life Factors Coming into Play, but Maintaining NS Eligibility: For reference and organizational purposes, three limiting factors must be imported from the real world to prevent this Earth from devolving into a mass chaos of uber-strong nations. These are: Gross Domestic Product (GDP), Population, and Land. By claiming the landmass of a nation, you also claim it's set population and GDP, that is based from the real life standard of the land/nation. However, these are the only RL factors. So, if you claim what is IRL Italy, you also claim Italy's GDP and Population. However, everything else is up to your NS nation's normality, as shown in the next bullet. Regarding GDPs: please feel free to adjust economic statistics within the GDP (ie, devoting more/less money to military, or more/less money to education), but please stick to your total GDP as to keep some sort of imbalanced structure (for variety) in this Earth.
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All I have to say on this issue.

Your nations may not be able to triple their GDP, simply because they're already fairly developed and do not have the capacity to produce more with existing technology. My nations however, in RL, are completely undeveloped. About half of them are in civil wars. Others, such as Nigeria suffer from endemic corruption that siphon away money from the people and hinder development of the economy. That's the kind of situation that leads to the current crappy RL GDP. Now, assuming that I obtain even some semblence of law and order and re-assert government authority over the region, that's going to double the GDP at least. Add on top of that the economic reforms, and I can easily triple my GDP, plus have more room to grow in the future.

Listen. I understand what you are trying to do, but you can't do it. If you do it, what's stopping every other player changing their GDP because their history says so and so never happened? Hell I could say my GDP is on par with Caliz's because my history says that theres been little political instability in my country, but I don't. Just because your history is different, doesn't mean you can change your GDP that much. It's Godmodding. I dunno what's the limit for increasing your GDP but 300% is not it.

How then, can I reconcile have the GDP of a nation in civil war (basically in anarchy) with the fact that IC, I've improved the economy and formed a commonwealth? I'm sorry, that just doesn't make sense.

How then, can I reconcile have the GDP of a nation in civil war (basically in anarchy) with the fact that IC, I've improved the economy and formed a commonwealth? I'm sorry, that just doesn't make sense.

Look, if you don't like the way things are ran here, you can always leave. We don't cater to people's whims. You're the only one complaining about your GDP. Hell Drosk is worse off then you and he's perfectly fine with what he has. Economic improvements need to be made in RP and over time, you can't just say that you suddenly have this Trillion Dollar GDP.

In short, Deal with it or leave. Take any complaints you have of my actions to AB. I'm only his Voice for when he is not here.

I'm sure the mods will allow you to increase your GDP somewhat, though I agree tripling it is too high.

Also, posted in the Mongol thread and...finally the Meeting of Leaders were I'm basically saying "Be my ally!".

Alright. I give up my claims. I think that the system as it is needs some changes before it can be fair to everyone. At least in the other earths, no matter which nation you picked, you had a chance to decently RP with the territories at your disposal. Here, all you're going to have is the Europeans/Americans take over the world. Boring, and quite frankly, not worth the effort to participate.

Alright. I give up my claims. I think that the system as it is needs some changes before it can be fair to everyone. At least in the other earths, no matter which nation you picked, you had a chance to decently RP with the territories at your disposal. Here, all you're going to have is the Europeans/Americans take over the world. Boring, and quite frankly, not worth the effort to participate.

Dangit! I was about to own your Navy and Army at the same time..

Dangit! I was about to own your Navy and Army at the same time..
Hah, you wish. =) I was about to rain missile death on your fleets from my Torrent Arsenal Ships.

We don't make the rules, we just enforce them.
I'm not blaming anyone, just saying the system's flawed. If you're going for fairness you might as well fine-tune it.

Alright. I give up my claims. I think that the system as it is needs some changes before it can be fair to everyone. At least in the other earths, no matter which nation you picked, you had a chance to decently RP with the territories at your disposal. Here, all you're going to have is the Europeans/Americans take over the world. Boring, and quite frankly, not worth the effort to participate.

We don't make the rules, we just enforce them.

Alright. I give up my claims. I think that the system as it is needs some changes before it can be fair to everyone. At least in the other earths, no matter which nation you picked, you had a chance to decently RP with the territories at your disposal. Here, all you're going to have is the Europeans/Americans take over the world. Boring, and quite frankly, not worth the effort to participate.

Thats why I was rping my economy icrease. Then I would be on a higher level. But, now I am invaded by one of those nations that is to take over the world so...

Thats why I was rping my economy icrease. Then I would be on a higher level. But, now I am invaded by one of those nations that is to take over the world so...

Just because I'm invading you means I am out to take over the world..?

Look, if you don't like the way things are ran here, you can always leave. We don't cater to people's whims. You're the only one complaining about your GDP. Hell Drosk is worse off then you and he's perfectly fine with what he has. Economic improvements need to be made in RP and over time, you can't just say that you suddenly have this Trillion Dollar GDP.

In short, Deal with it or leave. Take any complaints you have of my actions to AB. I'm only his Voice for when he is not here.


Granate said something half nice about me.... its the happiest day of my life :p

Just because I'm invading you means I am out to take over the world..?
No, its just that developed nations (Europe/America) are pre-dispositioned to win on this earth because of their highly developed status.

No, its just that developed nations (Europe/America) are pre-dispositioned to win on this earth because of their highly developed status.

They're pre-dispositioned to win on any Earth with any realism. And that made me laugh so hard, Drosk.

Anyway. I made amendments to my posts, and commited the mistakes to memory.

No, its just that developed nations (Europe/America) are pre-dispositioned to win on this earth because of their highly developed status.

If you have no more business here, I ask you to please leave this thread alone.

No, its just that developed nations (Europe/America) are pre-dispositioned to win on this earth because of their highly developed status.


Not necassarily. Usually, we have a balance between powerful imperialistic nations, and those that want to protect everyone. That usually stops people from invading weaker nations too much (eg. Drosk and Djibouti) But later, with my Azores, I had a justification (sort of) and my nation was powerful enough that nobody really did anything (or perhaps didn't even notice the thread...). The Tunisia incident was a little more known...with SYAE, Dae (who played China) was very protectionist - that usually stopped people from doing anything. In this Earth, China as Honako isn't exactly imperialistic, but not too protectionist (which is a good thing too... :p) and AB is going to get pretty much outmuscled, especially if all of us imperialistic nations join in on that conference thing.

And about that "missile death"....you are aware I had around 4 of my Fleets converging on yours, right? 4 ouf of my 6 Fleets? And I control one of the most powerful navies on this Earth? I don't care about your missiles if the ships firing them are on the bottom of the ocean.

And your troops in Libya were about to get owned too, if you look at the Retribution thread... :p

Alright. I give up my claims. I think that the system as it is needs some changes before it can be fair to everyone. At least in the other earths, no matter which nation you picked, you had a chance to decently RP with the territories at your disposal. Here, all you're going to have is the Europeans/Americans take over the world. Boring, and quite frankly, not worth the effort to participate.

No ones saying its fair; thats just how it is. I mean Animarnia should have a much higher GDP because we havn't been plauged by imperalism or ilsamifacation or hundreds of years of internal strife but that comes under Alternate history and under the new Mod rules (forum mod) the Alt History is no longer allowed which limits us to what we have.

I don't think its fair; and AB probably dosn't either but thats just how it is and those arn't his rules those are the forum rules - Alt History is now a rules vilation so you have to go with what you have.

Actually, I was just beginning to like this Earth. The war in Africa was going smoothly and stuff...

About "poor nations" and "inequality" - that's why you have to play it smart. Use diplomacy to your advantage - that African coalition was smart - too bad it was a bit too late to save Tunisia. Also, when nations way more powerful than you attack some poor and defenseless nation and you want to protect it, either don't protect it, or get the help of several nations before doing so. I haven't always had the "top nations" as you call it. Hell, I had the same African nations Granzi had (well, minus a few, and plus Algeria, Libya, and Israel) and used diplomacy and such - I allied myself with basically America, Russia, and South Africa - and from there, got Tunisia, lost the bid for Morocco, Lebanon...until the Earth was banned cause of the alternate history thing.

@Granzi: No offense...but because you are a really large nation, you probably aren't used to "playing it safe". I, as an '06 nation, am, so I have a bit more experience in that. Most of my posts are made up of diplomatic letters instead of war. You're probably used to pwning n00bs with your navy - lol, in NS, you would destroy me.:rolleyes:

TG for Droskianishk and Cali when he's back.

Ok Waldenburg, Futuris, and Animarnia check the Carlo's war thread for important Droskian updates (Waldenburg protectorate stuff) (Futuris and Animarnia its Iraqi Federation stuff)

I'm not touching Iraq, Drosk lol.

Waldenburg I TG'd you back/

I'm not touching Iraq, Drosk lol.


Yea but your war in the North and trade deals with Animarnia affect the Droskian attempt at creating a Federation with Iraq.

Actually, I was just beginning to like this Earth. The war in Africa was going smoothly and stuff...

About "poor nations" and "inequality" - that's why you have to play it smart. Use diplomacy to your advantage - that African coalition was smart - too bad it was a bit too late to save Tunisia. Also, when nations way more powerful than you attack some poor and defenseless nation and you want to protect it, either don't protect it, or get the help of several nations before doing so. I haven't always had the "top nations" as you call it. Hell, I had the same African nations Granzi had (well, minus a few, and plus Algeria, Libya, and Israel) and used diplomacy and such - I allied myself with basically America, Russia, and South Africa - and from there, got Tunisia, lost the bid for Morocco, Lebanon...until the Earth was banned cause of the alternate history thing.


Yeah play it safe. Be an isolationist. Get invaded by the largest nation on the planet. I used diplomacy to my advantage- called off a war with Shakal. I tryed to build my economy. Then I get knocked off my feet. This advice doesnt always work, and my nation is a perfect example.

Kampfers Drosk both with TG's.

Kampfers Drosk both with TG's.

Didn't get it just log on MSN

Didn't get it just log on MSN

I'm on.

hmm its not saying youre on

Yeah play it safe. Be an isolationist. Get invaded by the largest nation on the planet. I used diplomacy to my advantage- called off a war with Shakal. I tryed to build my economy. Then I get knocked off my feet. This advice doesnt always work, and my nation is a perfect example.

I never said isolationism. In fact, the opposite. I survived my imperialistic efforts as a pretty weak nation because I had a lot of powerful allies. Diplomacy usually doesn't mean isolationism.

Damn. Ah well it wasn't very important anyway. I still be on but I doubt you'll find me this happens quite a lot and I'm not very good with the whole IM deal. Mine dosen't pick your's up as being online. Never mind about the whole thing then. It was fairly basic conformation.

I RP as a former isolationist who now carefully and cautiously picks his friends. I'm quite a protectionist, but only really so far in jamacia, though I look over Eastern Asia and so far no one has done anything there so...

Also, I posted in the Meeting of Leaders thread - please ALL invited read.

Yea but your war in the North and trade deals with Animarnia affect the Droskian attempt at creating a Federation with Iraq.

Sneaky! even though we have trade deals with a lot of people nice blackstabbing diplomacy :P but two can play at that game.

Honako: Link...I can't find the thread. oh and anyone wants the JB186 Rifle just hit me up in the Market thread addressed to "JAck Baur firmarms" they be a private company so will sell to pretty much anyone.

I read it Honako, and I posted a response, indicating interest in your treaty you proposed...

Sneaky! even though we have trade deals with a lot of people nice blackstabbing diplomacy :P but two can play at that game.

Hey you've been playing the game Animarnia haha this is just me playing back haha.

Hey you've been playing the game Animarnia haha this is just me playing back haha.

You invaded a neighbour just beacause we didn't go to arms dosn't me we DON'T oppose you every way we can. through backdoor diplomacy; even if we don't get Iraq we're going to do our best to make sure you don't either to limit your sphere of infulance :P

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528967 - Meeting of Leaders.

Also, Arm, are you planning to get involved in the Kamp-Carlo conflict. It's not really too near me, but I've been asked by both sides, and as I kind of view you ICly as my closest diplomatic friend currently in Asia, if you are going to do something it could sway it for me really. Of course, it would make my more sense for me to remain neutral, but war is funner (well, NS RPing it anyway).

I might leave this earth too.

With Granzi out of EFJ, and a vice mod who I think has a really bad OOC-attitude I'm not sure I want to continue this. I'm taking a pause from EFJ for the rest of the day. I'll let you know my decision tomorrow, maybe I'm feeling different by then, maybe not.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528967 - Meeting of Leaders.

Also, Arm, are you planning to get involved in the Kamp-Carlo conflict. It's not really too near me, but I've been asked by both sides, and as I kind of view you ICly as my closest diplomatic friend currently in Asia, if you are going to do something it could sway it for me really. Of course, it would make my more sense for me to remain neutral, but war is funner (well, NS RPing it anyway).

FUCK! So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, goodbye!

He is so close to carlo. Now I really am screwed. Even if Waldenburg and Courburnne jump in for me. You are my last hope Calizornistan. You have to force yourself and the US of A to be active for me.

Kampf, I'm sending my 1st and 2nd battlefleet's over, to help defend you. I will stay active until the threat from Carlo's is gone.

I might leave this earth too.

With Granzi out of EFJ, and a vice mod who I think has a really bad OOC-attitude I'm not sure I want to continue this. I'm taking a pause from EFJ for the rest of the day. I'll let you know my decision tomorrow, maybe I'm feeling different by then, maybe not.

I hope I'm not that vice mod - I've tried to be thoughtful and debate about things before reaching conclusions. :eek:

You could always just surrender.

Kampf, I'm sending my 1st and 2nd battlefleet's over, to help defend you. I will stay active until the threat from Carlo's is gone.

How will you be getting there?

You could always just surrender.

But that's no fun.

He means me. Yes, I am known for my hard-handed techniques, oh well.

If you would look at your location...now it makes sense! :p

I hope I'm not that vice mod - I've tried to be thoughtful and debate about things before reaching conclusions. :eek:

He means me. Yes, I am known for my hard-handed techniques, oh well.

I hope I'm not that vice mod - I've tried to be thoughtful and debate about things before reaching conclusions. :eek:


Come on Futuris, I'm the only one that has a reason to dislike you..... DAMN IRAQ!!! :p

Come on Futuris, I'm the only one that has a reason to dislike you..... DAMN IRAQ!!! :p

LOL. :p

Still, if Animarnia is in for the "equality" thing, than Iraq is basically done for. I get to pretty much keep Babylonia's independence, while at the same time being offered much more.

In ESS, we took to buying off countries. I got Tunisia, my first one, for free (well, not completely...I basically used a combination of diplomacy and threats). For the second one (morocco) I was like, what the hell, I'll just kill them, but Honako came in and bought them for a couple billion or something, and that was it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528967 - Meeting of Leaders.

Also, Arm, are you planning to get involved in the Kamp-Carlo conflict. It's not really too near me, but I've been asked by both sides, and as I kind of view you ICly as my closest diplomatic friend currently in Asia, if you are going to do something it could sway it for me really. Of course, it would make my more sense for me to remain neutral, but war is funner (well, NS RPing it anyway).

I'm going to write up a reply to the leaders thread first; then get a diplomatic message writen up to throw our full diplomatic support behind Kampfers as far as our AIA know there was no terror attack that they're using to justify the war with you; we're still unnerved by the islamifacation of Drosk so we won't take any military action until thats settled down; but Contact JB arms and they might give you cheap Rifles to get them war tested

I'm going to write up a reply to the leaders thread first; then get a diplomatic message writen up to throw our full diplomatic support behind Kampfers as far as our AIA know there was no terror attack that they're using to justify the war with you; we're still unnerved by the islamifacation of Drosk so we won't take any military action until thats settled down; but Contact JB arms and they might give you cheap Rifles to get them war tested

Islamifacation? Oh that is just a gross abuse of language... I prefer the word Islamicize haha. But yea thats going to happen here in the next couple days
the 'House of Clerics' is going to be instituted making Droskianishk an officially Islamic Republic.

Honako, check yer TGs.

I would of asked you for neutrallity, but I don't think you'll be let into the Mediteranean.

And still no one runs to Granate for help. Not that I would help just anyone.

Actually, If you read my post it is a cry to help from anyone. But I can Tg you here in a minute...

And still no one runs to Granate for help. Not that I would help just anyone.

A bellboy walks in.
"Granate, a telegram for you, sir. Also came with a nice box of pron from the TWSP."
Exit Bellboy.

A bellboy walks in.
"Granate, a telegram for you, sir. Also came with a nice box of pron from the TWSP."
Exit Bellboy.

"OH do hope they got me last month's issue of Cats!"

Honako, check yer TGs.

What, do I have to send you some pron too?

Waldenburg a TG awaits you

Debate thread now closed, election thread now up and running. Found here.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530764

This will stay open through the weekend... after that, we'll see. I'd like to close it in 3 days though, so get your votes in on which candidate your country would most like to work with.

Honako, check yer TGs.

Honako, Check yer goddam TGs!

Honako, have you checked your TGs?

Alright. I give up my claims. I think that the system as it is needs some changes before it can be fair to everyone. At least in the other earths, no matter which nation you picked, you had a chance to decently RP with the territories at your disposal. Here, all you're going to have is the Europeans/Americans take over the world. Boring, and quite frankly, not worth the effort to participate.

Nicht gut, with mein friend in Afrika saying 'Auf Weidersehen' to the lot of us, then ich have no other choice but to do the same.

Honestly, he has some valid points, being a punching bag for European powers is only so fun...

Granzi, if your still alive, out there, check out AMW. It is 'uber-pwnage'.

I might leave this earth too.

With Granzi out of EFJ, and a vice mod who I think has a really bad OOC-attitude I'm not sure I want to continue this. I'm taking a pause from EFJ for the rest of the day. I'll let you know my decision tomorrow, maybe I'm feeling different by then, maybe not.

Same to you Koppar, AMW is pretty tight and will let you run amoke like you want to, as long as you keep reality (not actual reality, if you catch my drift) within firm bounds.

To those of you who are leaving. Although I do feel bad that you are leaving and it was partially my fault, I stand by my actions. Realism must be kept and GDPs were one of the things that AB set down as boundaries for Realism. I am only acting as his voice and if he chooses to change the system, so be it.

Wow...three in one day...that must be a record.

Wow...three in one day...that must be a record.

I've turned away more during my days as a Mod in SYAE.

I know Granzi left... who were the other two?

I have to stand w/Granate, but I don't think Kopparberg will leave if you promise to be a wee bit nicer ooc Granate, but basically I feel like Granzi and Moorington are mad because they want to be Super PWNZER nations and since they can't whine and get what they want they leave.

I know Granzi left... who were the other two?

Moorington and Koppar...pretty much the major players in Africa...now all of the opposition to the Imperialist Conference is gone. This sucks. And Amb, did you ever respond to the other comment by the evil South African?

I understand what Granate means. An example is the crossing of the sahara they wanted to undertake. IRL thr brits and germans in ww2 were having supply trouble along the coast only goin 80km inland.

Moorington and Koppar...pretty much the major players in Africa...now all of the opposition to the Imperialist Conference is gone. This sucks. And Amb, did you ever respond to the other comment by the evil South African?

Yeah... and then the moderator stepped in... and then I ended the debate on schedule like I said I would... it looks like just about everyone has voted in the elections, but I'll give it another day or two before declaring a winner.

I have to stand w/Granate, but I don't think Kopparberg will leave if you promise to be a wee bit nicer ooc Granate...

I make no promises.

I make no promises.


Not even a wee one like this much of one //? But i think you will find that you agree with the rest of my post.

I understand what Granate means. An example is the crossing of the sahara they wanted to undertake. IRL thr brits and germans in ww2 were having supply trouble along the coast only goin 80km inland.

yea but that is taking into account poor maps of non-natives poor navigation etc etc, perhaps native nations could do slightly better. Just a suggestion.

Yeah... and then the moderator stepped in... and then I ended the debate on schedule like I said I would... it looks like just about everyone has voted in the elections, but I'll give it another day or two before declaring a winner.

Crap, I haven't yet, I'll do that right now.

Moorington and Koppar...pretty much the major players in Africa...now all of the opposition to the Imperialist Conference is gone. This sucks. And Amb, did you ever respond to the other comment by the evil South African?

I thought about starting one but I'm afraid no one would attend considering Droskianishks attempt to join the Imperialist Club, it would be like... the Wannabe Club haha :p

Crap, I haven't yet, I'll do that right now.

Would your Mercs be interested in any of Jack Baur Arms Products? We could sell them cheaper to get them war tested. (see the IC thread for Details)

I thought about starting one but I'm afraid no one would attend considering Droskianishks attempt to join the Imperialist Club, it would be like... the Wannabe Club haha :p

I don't think Protectorates qualify as Imperialists...you are more like the outcome of imperialism lol.

Hey Candistan I responded to your post in the Invasion thread.

Maybe working in oartnership on some things, but they mostly focus on using domestic goods. I'm sure they would buy a few hundred of those assault rifles for weapons familiarization and special use, but other than that it is mostly the R7 ModRifle that is used.

what about the new "Flame Tank"...since Geneva never happens they're legal I belive could for clearing out infantry

Would your Mercs be interested in any of Jack Baur Arms Products? We could sell them cheaper to get them war tested. (see the IC thread for Details)

Maybe working in oartnership on some things, but they mostly focus on using domestic goods. I'm sure they would buy a few hundred of those assault rifles for weapons familiarization and special use, but other than that it is mostly the R7 ModRifle that is used.

Hey Candistan I responded to your post in the Invasion thread.

OOCly? Yeah, I saw. CIA is probably right, but from the map I saw there was no uranium in your territory, but I'll check CIA and if it shows what you said, then you win...but not totally. It is unexploited, meaning there ius a possibility there is only a small amount in there, so just because you have uranium in Somalia, don't think you can mine it unlimitedly. It runs out.

what about the new "Flame Tank"...since Geneva never happens they're legal I belive could for clearing out infantry

Lol...I'll look into it. Flame tanks, reminds me of the OT-34.

OOCly? Yeah, I saw. CIA is probably right, but from the map I saw there was no uranium in your territory, but I'll check CIA and if it shows what you said, then you win...but not totally. It is unexploited, meaning there ius a possibility there is only a small amount in there, so just because you have uranium in Somalia, don't think you can mine it unlimitedly. It runs out.


And the fact that I'm Droskianishk the most hated nation in the world, i'm not going to be mass producing the stuff, its all going to be hush hush under the table sales.

Lol...I'll look into it. Flame tanks, reminds me of the OT-34.

Flame Tank equal big boom from an Anti-Armor weapon, like the Zeuz MPAR

Flame Tank equal big boom from an Anti-Armor weapon, like the Zeuz MPAR

Not Saying it doesn't have its flaws but its has better armour and better protection than the old WWII style; plus the chemicals are kept in seperate tanks and only "intermixed" when needing to fire and the tanks are seperated from each other and the crew by armoured firewalls. Not saying it CAN'T blow up but certainly no one would send one in alone but I reconise the problems of the Flame Tank and do a at least decent job to fix some of them I hope but its yet to be battle tested...hmm wonder if we could ship a few to Kampf for free

I dont hate you yet you Droskianishk fanatic

So, if all of those who said they'd leave are leaving...shouldn't they at least RP some kind of civil war? Because they're all at war with us...which gives us a chance to push forward if we win, keep borders pretty much stable if they just leave...unless someone comes in and takes their nations, those forces (especially CWAS) in Africa are doomed.

Actually, I think that's partially the reason - the super, uber pwnage I was about to unleash on CWAS - his Carrier Group was completely surrounded, as his army was about to be too. And with CWAS leaving, the tables turned on me and Shakal, therefore rendering TEACK's and Moorington's attacks useless since we would just repel them back and push on.

Still, now we need someone to RP Tunisia again.

And Sao Tome and Principe are about to turn into my naval bases. So yeah...

I can't do it.

...but basically I feel like Granzi and Moorington are mad because they want to be Super PWNZER nations and since they can't whine and get what they want they leave.

Don't worry, you'll feel the same way when your shoddy little empire schemes come crashing down on your head as Europe decides that attacking each other isn't half as fun as attacking an 'Empire' whose GDP doesn't quite equal Luxembourgs.

I understand what Granate means. An example is the crossing of the sahara they wanted to undertake. IRL thr brits and germans in ww2 were having supply trouble along the coast only goin 80km inland.

Comparing modern day vehicles to some old 1940 relics hardly sounds logical.

I dunno, I didn't want to be the super-pwnage-dealer but when you combine all of Northern Africa and it doesn't quite equal the GDP of say, Spain, then it kind of takes the fight out of you. It's interesting to be on the bottom rung of the ladder, but being the mud which the ladder rests on isn't fun at all.

Exactly my point Futuris, we still would've lost in the end, undoubtably, yet even that little gasp of a fight was, for whatever reason, to much for you to accept. We were too 'uber-pwnage' with a force a 1/4th the size, if not less, arrayed against us. The irony, hypocrisy, and unreason was too much for my small mind to grasp, that's why I left.

For me, my stockholders ousted by Board of Directors and CEO von Braun. The country has another selection of associates who do not want war, or really anything, except to count their money.

The massive amount of debt the commonwealth accrued, living as it did with such a small GDP, was too much for the economy to handle. The area has now degenerated into warlords and stuff. Same for Koppar.

Just wanted to depart with those final comments, hope Europe and America have fun with Africa... Wait, never mind, Africa is dead!

Actually moorington, I do feel that way, with my Djibouti attack defeated and Iraq out of my reach now. But I don't run away just because of that. I'm gonna see this thing through to the end. I'll work with what I have to try and make it.

What about me? Eastern Europe isnt much better than Africa. Now I'm being invaded by Russia. Am I running away?

Aw, your all leaving. I was interested in that little African conflict. But, realism is only adopted on three things here and I suppose we must stick to that - it's first come first served, so although it kinda sucks to be in your areas of Africa, you really shouldn't go. Again, I'm sure a boost would be allowed, but tripling you ecomony is way too much.

Honako, A TG or 2 for you!

btw, do you have msn or aim?

Don't worry, you'll feel the same way when your shoddy little empire schemes come crashing down on your head as Europe decides that attacking each other isn't half as fun as attacking an 'Empire' whose GDP doesn't quite equal Luxembourgs.



Comparing modern day vehicles to some old 1940 relics hardly sounds logical.

I dunno, I didn't want to be the super-pwnage-dealer but when you combine all of Northern Africa and it doesn't quite equal the GDP of say, Spain, then it kind of takes the fight out of you. It's interesting to be on the bottom rung of the ladder, but being the mud which the ladder rests on isn't fun at all.

Exactly my point Futuris, we still would've lost in the end, undoubtably, yet even that little gasp of a fight was, for whatever reason, to much for you to accept. We were too 'uber-pwnage' with a force a 1/4th the size, if not less, arrayed against us. The irony, hypocrisy, and unreason was too much for my small mind to grasp, that's why I left.

For me, my stockholders ousted by Board of Directors and CEO von Braun. The country has another selection of associates who do not want war, or really anything, except to count their money.

The massive amount of debt the commonwealth accrued, living as it did with such a small GDP, was too much for the economy to handle. The area has now degenerated into warlords and stuff. Same for Koppar.

Just wanted to depart with those final comments, hope Europe and America have fun with Africa... Wait, never mind, Africa is dead!

Well, actually, with CWAS in there, you guys stood a chance - it was a 3-2 conflict. Another thing you have to realize, is since you are close to the bottom of the totem pole/ladder/whatever, even if you can't support super-uber-high-tech weapons, your populations can be the balancing force - instead of a few thousand of us with our high tech fighters and such, its a few milion of you with AK-47's (well, not that bad...but the quality/quantity ratio could be used to your advantage).

You should have also tried harder for diplomacy - waited on attacking Shakal before jumping in - in that time, made a few more alliances, so that 3:2 ratio could have turned into a 4:2 or even a 5:2 - if any of those nations on your side would have been by then powerful (as in, multi-trillion dollar GDP's to challenge ours) you would have won. Again, I stress this - if you wanted a challenge here, you can't just charge in blindly - my strategic maneuvers later - surrounding Granzi's fleet, and later, cutting in from the flank on his supply lines, and later, surrounding his attackign force in Libya - tactics matter at that point too. If you're on the bottom, the better your RPing skill, the more you are actually "higher" when it comes down to it.

Strategy - whether diplomatic or military - is always important. Smaller nations simply have to get used to using a lot more of it.

Someone has a TG.

Well, it wasnt me. I just checked and responded to mine.

Someone has two TGs.

Really now Granate? I don't believe you.

Futuris, Check your TGs. I accidently divided the message into two.

Kamp, I read and got your TG's. I'll be making a post in the Invasion thread soon.

Also, Carlo - I've got that meeting between us underway.

Replied as well.

Replied as well.

I've also replied in the meeting thread. :)

I've also replied in the meeting thread. :)

Me too.

Posted in Mongol Horde thread Kamp.

Honako, have you responded to the Jamaica thread since my last post?

Ahh Honako. Money is indeed a powerful motivater.

NOTE TO MY ALLIES IN CARLO WAR: DON'T BOMB MOSCOW! HONAKO IS VISITING AND WOULD ENTER THE WAR AGAINST US.

Kampf: one of my arms companys offers free weapons..

Hmmm I'm debating whether or not to let Cali use Droskianishk as a base for air operations...

Kampf: one of my arms companys offers free weapons..

Yes, However Bosporus is closed so my ports are gone. If we can find away around that I'm all for it.

Honako, have you responded to the Jamaica thread since my last post?

Will do.

Ahh Honako. Money is indeed a powerful motivater.

Yep, but I've decided to change my offer. It'll be good if you accepted it, cause I think it could be the starting point for some good RP's in the future (eg. such as me cutting of your supplies, or us fighting on your "border").

Also, I sound like I'm putting people in concentration camps lol - it's not like that, they are just places for people to go to be processed before they are deported.

can i get in on this?

can i get in on this?

Then claim something.

Then claim something.

A lot of spots in Africa now open...and getting invaded pretty soon...

If I may, I would like to claim Tunisia, Montenegro, Albania, Bosnia, and Iraq as the New Islamic Republic of Manth.

Cheers.

OOC: Kampf, it appear's as though Waldenburg won't let me through to help you, should I just bust through anyway?

OOC: Kampf, it appear's as though Waldenburg won't let me through to help you, should I just bust through anyway?

I've only told Futuris that, you're still Icily free to come through. Not hearing anything to the contrary, you're more then welcome.

OOC: Ah, okay, my bad :p, didn't know that earlier.... I'll move em into the Mediterranean...

OOC: Ah, okay, my bad :p, didn't know that earlier.... I'll move em into the Mediterranean...

Then is I'm not mistaken you will be passing through the Gibralter Strait, which is being controlled by Futuris someone who has just pledged assistance to your enemy. Personally it dosen't much matter to me, the less aircraft carriers within three miles of my captital the better.

And New Manth:

Montenegro: Fine
Albania: Fine
Bosnia: Fine
Tunisia: Currently being invaded by two European powers. I imagine you could take it but you probably inherit the war. Lot's of African nations just left so if you can wait a day or so the complete map of countries will be available.
Iraq: Also a bit of a tricky one, it's currently going through a Federation process with another country. It's open but there would be some sovereignty issues.

OOC: I've changed my mind, they're going back into the Baltic now, I most certainly don't want to go into enemy controlled seas....

OOC: I've changed my mind, they're going back into the Baltic now, I most certainly don't want to go into enemy controlled seas....

Or you could send a fleet to assist me in the Pacific. You know, invade Vladivostok and shit. You know hit him from the rear and attempt to cut him off from his valuable fuel reserves. I would go directly to Kampfers to assist him, but since Futuris supports Carlo, I think the Mediterranean would be hard to get into.

Or you could send a fleet to assist me in the Pacific. You know, invade Vladivostok and shit. You know hit him from the rear and attempt to cut him off from his valuable fuel reserves. I would go directly to Kampfers to assist him, but since Futuris supports Carlo, I think the Mediterranean would be hard to get into.

You could go the long way, around africa, and through the Suez Canal. Futuris couldn't really do anything then...

You could go the long way, around africa, and through the Suez Canal. Futuris couldn't really do anything then...

Aircraft Carriers can't go through the canal.

Aircraft Carriers can't go through the canal.

Ahh, see if I was rping Egypt I would have widened it so they could. But I would charge a very hefty fee... It would make you a load of money.

Well, I have bad news...

After a fateful visit to Starbucks, I think I might have a bought of food poisoning. I will be on sporadically when I'm not doing what has to be done...I bet they gave me sour milk. Bastards.

Ahh, see if I was rping Egypt I would have widened it so they could. But I would charge a very hefty fee... It would make you a load of money.

No one is, and as such I am launching my invasion at Vladivostok.

Well, I have bad news...

After a fateful visit to Starbucks, I think I might have a bought of food poisoning. I will be on sporadically when I'm not doing what has to be done...I bet they gave me sour milk. Bastards.

Starbucks is communism in American Society. Your case is another reason that I will boycott them.

Hey, get better soon.

Starbucks is communism in American Society. Your case is another reason that I will boycott them.

Hey, get better soon.

Hell yeah, I am NEVER stepping foot in there again. You guys have no idea how bad this is lol. :rolleyes: vomit

Hmm, thats close to me(Vladivostok). Is everyone turning on Russia now then. Interesting.

Also, I think I have Mongolia if you wish to add it to my claims when you next update the map - I haven't fully completed the invasion, though it should only take a couple of RP posts and it'll be be finished at least taking the country, then more deportation. Also, put a little grey dot, the smallest one you can do on paint or something, right in the centre, to show the new Principality of Ulaanbaatar, if you want.

And New Manth:

Montenegro: Fine
Albania: Fine
Bosnia: Fine
Tunisia: Currently being invaded by two European powers. I imagine you could take it but you probably inherit the war. Lot's of African nations just left so if you can wait a day or so the complete map of countries will be available.
Iraq: Also a bit of a tricky one, it's currently going through a Federation process with another country. It's open but there would be some sovereignty issues.

Hmmm... damn. Those two were my top picks, all three Baltic countries put together probably wouldn't make a decent province...

I'll see what opens up in Africa.

Baltic States = Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

I don't know where you people are getting Baltic for the Balkan States

Hmmm... damn. Those two were my top picks, all three Baltic countries put together probably wouldn't make a decent province...

I'll see what opens up in Africa.

What about Australia, New Zealand and a couple of African colonies? They are far more economically powerful than the orginal ones you wanted to claim.

Hmmm... damn. Those two were my top picks, all three Baltic countries put together probably wouldn't make a decent province...

I'll see what opens up in Africa.

Take Kopp's old claim.

Baltic States = Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

I don't know where you people are getting Baltic for the Balkan States

Slip of the tongue. I actually went and corrected it, I remember, but now it's back to Baltic. Damn gnomes.

Kopparsberg is inactive? Egypt et al would be lovely, that's where I RP my main NS nation too... bit confused now as to what is taken and what isn't/

If I may, I would like to claim Tunisia, Montenegro, Albania, Bosnia, and Iraq as the New Islamic Republic of Manth.

Cheers.



I say give it to him, Drosk will help with the Sovereign issues since his gonna be an Islamic Republic.

Slip of the tongue. I actually went and corrected it, I remember, but now it's back to Baltic. Damn gnomes.

Australia was listed as claimed, but hell if not I'll take it.

Yeah our main mod is out of town for a bit (though we have a mapo mod) making things a bit more difficult. On the map everything is accurate except in Africa. Australia and New Zealand are open, deffinately and you could take a few others in different places.

Slip of the tongue. I actually went and corrected it, I remember, but now it's back to Baltic. Damn gnomes.

Kopparsberg is inactive? Egypt et al would be lovely, that's where I RP my main NS nation too... bit confused now as to what is taken and what isn't/

No, he isnt inactive, he quit.

Hmmm... A United Islamic Republic including Egypt and Australia... hmmmm... I can't say I'm not tempted.

I will take Kopparsberg's claim then excepting Kenya and Uganda, and will substitute Iraq (as long as Droskianishk is OK with it...) and Australia.

If Droshianishk would like to keep Iraq I could substitute one of Kopparsberg's African countries, or maybe New Zealand.

Iraq is not Droskianishk federation, it is Animinria. And I don't think he will like it... But I could be wrong. Hurry up and get your claim approved, so you can join the "Bash Kampfers" Party! Soon it will be the "Bash his friends too" party! Or maybe You could help me, eh? Why does a world war have to start with the shitty nations being invaded?

Calm down.

Hmmm... The United Islamic Republic of Egypt and Australia... hmmmm...

I will take Kopparsberg's claim then excepting Kenya and Uganda, and will substitute Iraq (as long as Droskianishk is OK with it...) and Australia. Islam has come to Australia!

Hmmm...

Iraq is not Droskianishk federation, it is Animinria. And I don't think he will like it... But I could be wrong. Hurry up and get your claim approved, so you can join the "Bash Kampfers" Party! Soon it will be the "Bash his friends too" party! Or maybe You could help me, eh? Why does a world war have to start with the shitty nations being invaded?

Iraq is not Droskianishk federation, it is Animinria. And I don't think he will like it... But I could be wrong. Hurry up and get your claim approved, so you can join the "Bash Kampfers" Party! Soon it will be the "Bash his friends too" party! Or maybe You could help me, eh? Why does a world war have to start with the shitty nations being invaded?


Actually Animarnia doesn't 'own' Iraq, you could RP some sort of political fallout because of that federation and get Iraq...

OK here's my full claim then

Class One Nation: Egypt

Other Nations: Ethiopia, Sudan, Eritrea, Iraq, Australia.

AS: The New Islamic Republic of Manth

I'll do that with Iraq, then, if it is OK with whoever it needs to be OK with.

Iraq will bring you a lot of problems, but will make a good RP - Drosk's help won't be much against the forces of Animarnia if he takes action - how I think Anim will just be pleased it's not in Drosks hands and might leave you alone. I'll also be interested in your factbook to read your history and see how you fit Australia in there :p - though you can make it all Islamic, thats the good thing, you have the freedom to change most things - in this China is European.

And Kampf, you still have Cali and Granate.

I think Iraq is mine now..though I'd need word from Futuris on that to be sure; basically I'll see what he says on the issue..

Ha...I spend $308,000 per each of my 950,000 mercenaries. This is good news.

Ha...I spend $308,000 per each of my 950,000 mercenaries. This is good news.

That's over 292 Billion USD. What is your total defense budget? It better be over 500 Billion or else you won't be able to afford to maintain many of your vehicles, especially your Olifant Tanks which are post-WWII Vintage.

I have a budget of 117 Billion USD, and I spend 29-34 Billion on my 450,000 Man Full-Time Force. I then spend roughly 14-19 Billion for my 600,000 Man Reserve. That puts 43-53 Billion USD into my soldiers training, salary, and weaponry. The rest is for Maintainence, purchases, paying for military bases, and specialized Training.

That's over 292 Billion USD. What is your total defense budget? It better be over 500 Billion or else you won't be able to afford to maintain many of your vehicles, especially your Olifant Tanks which are post-WWII Vintage.

I have a budget of 117 Billion USD, and I spend 29-34 Billion on my 450,000 Man Full-Time Force. I then spend roughly 14-19 Billion for my 600,000 Man Reserve. That puts 43-53 Billion USD into my soldiers training, salary, and weaponry. The rest is for Maintainence, purchases, paying for military bases, and specialized Training.

I think I messed up calculations. I'll try again later when I recover from my...ailment...damn Starbucks.

Now I'm in Holland...all over Europe. We had problems with my siblings, who happened to be sick several times in our small train compartment...can someone tell me what's going on in general? Is it basically Shakal, Cali, and Granate with Kamp against Carlo and Waldenburg for now? I've only promised diplomatic support - and Walden took care of that fleet for me...dangit. You stole my kills! :p

Granate, since you're flying in to Macedonia and stuff, over where will your air route take you?

As for the Iraq situation....since I RPed it before, I'll RP it now, since it IS in a federation thing with Animarnia, so I don't think we can just give it to someone else since Animarnia tried so hard to get it - since it's more of a Player to player type Federation, with enough money from whoever wants it, I can RP some sort of sucession from the Federation - again, with enough money to Iraq, since the federation it's in right now is very profitable.

Futuris, Cali, Granate, AB (when he returns) and Anim, please read the Meeting of Leaders - sign and I'll let you leave at last! http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12810135#post12810135

Also, Granate, is there anyway I could get access to that Cross: Com technology, consider we are now basically allies.

Granate, since you're flying in to Macedonia and stuff, over where will your air route take you?

Over a bunch of African States. I would doubt they'd shoot me down, unless they'd want some intense pain as retribution.

Also, Granate, is there anyway I could get access to that Cross: Com technology, consider we are now basically allies.

Same time as Kamp, which is after the entire Granatian Military is integrated, which could roughly 3-7 years. He only has 2 companies worth of the stuff and it's not even the final version.

Due to the war, Hellsing: Kampfers is basically jumping ship and taking the first of many flights out of the country to Hellsing: Animarnia.

Over a bunch of African States. I would doubt they'd shoot me down, unless they'd want some intense pain as retribution.

What African states exactly? Although the exact air routes, as you say, may not be revealed, considering you're moving such a large force, it would surely get out quickly.

As for the Iraq situation....since I RPed it before, I'll RP it now, since it IS in a federation thing with Animarnia, so I don't think we can just give it to someone else since Animarnia tried so hard to get it - since it's more of a Player to player type Federation, with enough money from whoever wants it, I can RP some sort of sucession from the Federation - again, with enough money to Iraq, since the federation it's in right now is very profitable.

should I add Iraq's GDP and Pop to my fact book?

Oh and you visiting the UK Futaris?

should I add Iraq's GDP and Pop to my fact book?

Oh and you visiting the UK Futaris?

Well...I don't know. Technically, if you're trying to do something as a country, you have to have a seperate person (probably me...since I've been RPing Iraq before) to RP what Iraq is going to want to do...still, yeah, go ahead. Unless AB/other mods have something to say.

Actually, we were thinking about going to the UK, but I hear that you guys are getting really heavy floods? We don't have that much time (only about a week here before going back to Poland) and we want to see stuff here too, plus I have to train up on my soccer skills :p

I was born in the UK...but unfortunately, probably not. Lol, I've always wanted to go back. It would be very funny to see a person from NS by chance on the streets of London or something :p

Europe...is so different from America. A lot smaller...but it's fun. What's the tunnel from France to the UK underwater called again?

Europe...is so different from America. A lot smaller...but it's fun. What's the tunnel from France to the UK underwater called again?

The Chunnel

The Channel Tunnel. Four hours on a train from Paris, goes from Belgium too - Brussels is nice by the way :p - it's alright, and quicker than the ferry overall.

And yep, it's raining heavily here where I am, however I'm further North from London, which I assume will be where you would go, however I'd think it's pretty bad down there at some times. Where are you now?

Hm, if that is the case I will probably claim some other country, and maybe we can wrangle over Iraq IC at some later time. Still have a lot of reading to catch up on first.

Exactly who all is inactive & with territory up for grabs, besides Kopparsberg and Drunken Pagan Weirdos?

Hm, if that is the case I will probably claim some other country, and maybe we can wrangle over Iraq IC at some later time. Still have a lot of reading to catch up on first.

Exactly who all is inactive & with territory up for grabs, besides Kopparsberg and Drunken Pagan Weirdos?

Moorington, Granzi, Kopp and DPW all left, so their lands are open.

BTW, I switched the old design I had in the IC thread for a far mroe realistic helicopter, so check it out. I'm going to update it in the Market thread.

On another note, where the Hell is Marxikhan? It's safe to say he is a major player here with all of the territories he has, so why hasn't he posted anything?

I am still here though, I am just juggling RL life and cyber life, which can be a tough challenge....

Hey are there any Nations that have a large amount of refined pharmaceutical supplies that they would be willing to trade IC? Since I'm in Africa with all this stuff and what not.

I think I'll grab Malaysia then in place of Iraq.

Hey are there any Nations that have a large amount of refined pharmaceutical supplies that they would be willing to trade IC? Since I'm in Africa with all this stuff and what not.

I DO! Call up Schroeder on its factbook page and I can supply you with everything from Cough medicine to Euthenasia pills! When you make the purchase, do it on the market and sales thread.

Well...I don't know. Technically, if you're trying to do something as a country, you have to have a seperate person (probably me...since I've been RPing Iraq before) to RP what Iraq is going to want to do...still, yeah, go ahead. Unless AB/other mods have something to say.

Actually, we were thinking about going to the UK, but I hear that you guys are getting really heavy floods? We don't have that much time (only about a week here before going back to Poland) and we want to see stuff here too, plus I have to train up on my soccer skills :p

I was born in the UK...but unfortunately, probably not. Lol, I've always wanted to go back. It would be very funny to see a person from NS by chance on the streets of London or something :p

Europe...is so different from America. A lot smaller...but it's fun. What's the tunnel from France to the UK underwater called again?

its been raining a bit yeah; I'm down in Wales near Cardiff though and it hasn't hit here so bad had some lovily thunderstorms though about Iraq since like you said we didn't techincally "Conqure" Iraq it was more a diplomatic victory so I'm not sure what the procedure is I'll add it for now but take it off if AB says other wise I think that would be prudent?

King Buzzard Assault Transport Ready for Action

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Some of the features of the buzzard

The King Buzzard Assault Transport helicopter is a marvel of Schroeder Defense Industries and is considered the next generation in its helicopter arsenal.

Designed to outdue the Oryx, its current transport copter, the King Buzzard utilizes the coaxial contra-rotating rotor system, eliminating a tail rotor and allowing reduced noise and increased lift capacity. So far, it is designated the King Buzzard M3. Other variants may include a gunship role with increased armament at the expense of passenger capacity.

The King Buzzard has a 2 pilot crew with a 18 man passenger capacity. Its armament includes a 30mm chain gun under the nose as well as two more 23mm chain guns on the side in each door. Countermeasures are also available. It is designed to be a great all-around helicopter, capable of either ground or naval use.

Units will be for sale shortly to trusted nations and clients.

Hmmm, trying to steal the HAH-37's thunder?

HAH-37 "Scythe" Heavy Assault Helicopter
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It's just a Mi-24V so sure me. :B

The HAH-37 is the Granatian Militaries new Assault Helicopter. Designed off of the Russian Mi-24 Hind, the Scythe takes everything that was good on the Hind and takes it up a notch. Better weapons, armor, and avionics dot this new helicopter. It is even able to take more soldiers along for the ride then the Hind.

General Info
Crew: 4 (Pilot, Weapons Officer, 2 Technicians)
Length: 20.7m
Rotor diameter: 18.2m
Height: 6.7m
Disc area: 250.3m square
Empty weight: 11,750 kgs (25,850 lbs)
Max takeoff weight: 18,500kgs (40,700 lbs)
Powerplant: 2 x Hellsing RGx1750, 2,450hp each
Rotor system: 5 blades main, 3 blades tail.
Complement: Can carry up to 14 men standing or 10 stretchers.

Performance
Maximum speed: 310kph (167.39 Knots)
Cruise speed: 270kph (145.79 Knots)
Combat radius: 600km (323.97 Nautical Miles)
Ferry range: 1,350km (728.94 Nautical Miles)
Service ceiling: 21,000 ft (6,400 m)
Rate of climb: 2,500 ft/min (12.7 m/s)
Power/mass: .210 lb/hp Empty, .133 lb/hp Max

Armament
Guns: 1x 30mm Autocannon, 1,500 rounds. 1x Door Mounted Machine Gun.
Missiles: Combination of up to 14x Surface to Air, Anti-Armor, and Air to air Missles.

Are you kidding me? I didn't take any of that off of the Hind at all. I used the Gears copters stats mized with the Helix B.

My Scythe is better then your King Buzzard, but then again your's is designed as a Transport first, while the Scythe is designed to just cause a whole lotta Havoc.

Ypur Scyth is designed for entirely different things than mine. THey are each good in their own respects.

((OOC- My war machine is up and running now, I don't see why I can't begin mass producing military hardware. I'll even have a surplus after the war.))

A Leopard 2 built from scratch will take nearly 10 weeks to build and then 2 weeks at a minimum to tweak it and make sure it works correctly. And then you got to transport it to the front, which will take quite a long time, because Russia isn't exactly known for it's Infrastructure.

B-2 Bombers take many months to build. And they cost 2 Billion a peice. Not to mention that once they are built they have to be tested incase they aren't faulty. Don't want a stealth bomber that isn't stealthy no do you?

A Leopard 2 built from scratch will take nearly 10 weeks to build and then 2 weeks at a minimum to tweak it and make sure it works correctly. And then you got to transport it to the front, which will take quite a long time, because Russia isn't exactly known for it's Infrastructure.

B-2 Bombers take many months to build. And they cost 2 Billion a peice. Not to mention that once they are built they have to be tested incase they aren't faulty. Don't want a stealth bomber that isn't stealthy no do you?

This is Russia we're talking about, quantity not quality; however Wiki wasen't working for me yesterday so I coulden't find development time. (I almost thought my uncle blocked the site).

I've been really sick lately. After vomiting a couple times, I remembered Candistan's "Strain" thread and... lol jk :p

Anyways...I'm near Den Haag and Delft in Holland. Because of my "Strain" we've decided to reduce travelling and stuff. Unfortunately, lol.

Futuris, you have a few TG's. I hope that you don't have the Strain lol...wait, you'd be a raving feral human by now. Nevermind :p

Futuris, you have a few TG's. I hope that you don't have the Strain lol...wait, you'd be a raving feral human by now. Nevermind :p

Well...as long as I can still think and type, why not? :p jk

Yup, answered them.

I replied to them, Futuris.

And you never know, maybe you are just a carrier of it and don't suffer from the usual symptoms :eek:

I sent you some PMs, too Fut.

I sent you some PMs, too Fut.

Did you get mine?

I sent you some PMs, too Fut.

Once I get myself an atlas/map I'll answer, lol..

I replied to them, Futuris.

And you never know, maybe you are just a carrier of it and don't suffer from the usual symptoms :eek:

I don't know about the Dutch government...but the American government would have me quarantined and detained...which wouldn't be much fun. But if the effects ever did take place...who knows? I'd grab a laptop and run into the wild where I could play NationStates and...live...in the wild at the same time? :p /jk

I think that Strain idea was genius Candistan. At least for me. I'm not sure how others would take it. ;)

Did you get mine?

I TG'ed you didn't I? Will do it now, if I didn't. Check your TGs

Once I get myself an atlas/map I'll answer, lol..

Lol.

As you see in the Invasion thread, I have surrendered. I am leaving this world. I have justified my leaving ICly, so don't give me any bullshit about it. I am to pissed at Carloginias to roleplay with him any more. Waldenburg, your betrayal injured me, but I am not such a poor roleplayer that I quit because you left me. The same to you, Shakal. While that might have played a small role in my leaving, it was not the major issue. My major issue was several accounts of godmoding by Carloginias, and several counts of him not being reasonable. We were able to work through a few of them, but not anymore. Carloginias, I have lost most of my respect for you OOCly and ICly. First, you did not roleplay that your troop buildup. Second, you always claimed that my economy should be in shambles from having a three million man army, despite repeated attempts by me to tell you that that figure included all my reserves. If you go to my nations page, you will see that military service is compulsorary. Also, you repeatedly claimed that I could not afford a single spy sattelite to check my borders. I don't know what calculator you used, but the numbers add up just fine. Also, You consistently insisted that I was using top of the line material in my army and that I could not afford it. Lets see, this is a PMT world and I was using Leopard tanks. Not so top of the line. Another reason was that he consistently said that I should run out of oil. My nations each produced oil, I could confiscate civilian oil, and I could use a friendly nation's ports. I don't see how my military would run out. Lastly, there was the issue of the bombers. First, he sends his bombers out at day. Then, he edits his post and sends them out at night. Godmoding, but I allowed it. Then, I fire SAMs at him. He says they all miss. Once again godmoding. I tell him that's bullshit, so he dares to change it to four planes shot down. It was better at zero. That was still godmoding, yet he refused to change it. And now I have come to this point. To all the others in this world, my opinions of you have not changed. I still respect you. Honako, I still will be allied to you in the real NationStates. Waldenburg, though I don't trust you anymore, I still respect you. Granate, you can be a real dick sometimes, but sometimes you have to be. Maybe if I had acted like that, this would have been changed. I don't know. Anyways, my relationship as a roleplayer with Carloginias is irrefutably broken, and I am leaving EFJ. Sorry about it, AB, whenever you get back. I wish you all the best of luck as you continue on, both OOCly and ICly. Yes, even you Carloginias. Auf wiedersehen, meine freunde.

OOC: Kampf, it wasn't my fault you're leaving I hope, I mean I read it, and you didn't mention me as a cause, so I presume I didn't do this?

Second, you always claimed that my economy should be in shambles from having a three million man army, despite repeated attempts by me to tell you that that figure included all my reserves.

You never had that in your factbook.


Carloginias, I have lost most of my respect for you OOCly and ICly. First, you did not roleplay that your troop buildup

Actually I did. I decided to listen to Granate.

Then, I fire SAMs at him. He says they all miss. Once again godmoding.

You never said PAC-2, and with a 0-10% rating its actually 3 and a half.

Lets see, this is a PMT world and I was using Leopard tanks. Not so top of the line. Another reason was that he consistently said that I should run out of oil. My nations each produced oil, I could confiscate civilian oil, and I could use a friendly nation's ports. I don't see how my military would run out.

You weren't able to use a friendly port until later, so I was right to assume that your economy would be destroyed. All of your nations combine produce approx 195k oil while Romania alone produces 212k barrels. And I haven't seen you produce any new weaponry, so I assume that the Leopard 2 tanks are rather new.

And finally, your nation was poor and coulden't afford a top of the line airforce, army, missle system, etc.

OOC: Kampf, it wasn't my fault you're leaving I hope, I mean I read it, and you didn't mention me as a cause, so I presume I didn't do this?

Did I mention you? No. Its not your fault

You never had that in your factbook.

Yet I told you that on several occasions


Actually I did. I decided to listen to Granate.

AFTER YOU HAD DECLARED WAR

You never said PAC-2, and with a 0-10% rating its actually 3 and a half.

Umm, read the Wikipedia writeup on the PAC-2. Actually, let me copy a portion of it for you. There have been many more upgrades to PAC-2 systems throughout the 1990s and into the 21st century, again mostly centering on software. However, the PAC-2 missiles have been modified significantly, into four separate variants known collectively as "GEM" or "guidance enhanced" missiles.

The chief upgrade to the original GEM missile was a new, much faster proximity fused warhead. Tests had indicated that the fuse on the original PAC-2 missiles were detonating their warheads too late when engaging ballistic missiles with an extremely steep ingress, and as such it was necessary to shorten this fuse delay. The GEM missile was also given a new "low noise" seeker head designed to reduce interference in front of the missiles radar seeker, and a higher performance seeker designed to better detect low radar cross section targets, such as stealth aircraft. The GEM was used extensively in Operation Iraqi Freedom, with a perfect success rate.



Not to mention proximity fused warhead, which means I dont have to have a direct hit to destroy your planes. And it's not like they are even agile and can dodge them in the first place.

You weren't able to use a friendly port until later, so I was right to assume that your economy would be destroyed. All of your nations combine produce approx 195k oil while Romania alone produces 212k barrels. And I haven't seen you produce any new weaponry, so I assume that the Leopard 2 tanks are rather new.

I didn't rp it because you don't have to rp what your nation already has.

And finally, your nation was poor and coulden't afford a top of the line airforce, army, missle system, etc.

I had no navy, which saved me money. I had all MT equipment besides fighters, which saved money. Actually, most of my stuff was not top of the line. THIS IS A PMT WORLD! THAT MEANS MT IS OUTDATED!




See, exactly what I meant.

Never saw the PAC-2 in your factbook

Per Wiki Article-

On April 7, 1992 Theodore Postol of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Reuven Pedatzur of Tel Aviv University testified before a House Committee stating that, according to their independent analyses, the Patriot system had a success rate of below 10%, and perhaps even a zero success rate. In response to this testimony and other evidence, the staff of the House Government Operations Subcommittee on Legislation and National Security reported, "The Patriot missile system was not the spectacular success in the Persian Gulf War that the American public was led to believe. There is little evidence to prove that the Patriot hit more than a few Scud missiles launched by Iraq during the Gulf War, and there are some doubts about even these engagements. The public and the Congress were misled by definitive statements of success issued by administration and Raytheon representatives during and after the war."

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Just because it is PMT, dosen't mean they cost less.

Never saw the PAC-2 in your factbook

Per Wiki Article-

On April 7, 1992 Theodore Postol of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Reuven Pedatzur of Tel Aviv University testified before a House Committee stating that, according to their independent analyses, the Patriot system had a success rate of below 10%, and perhaps even a zero success rate. In response to this testimony and other evidence, the staff of the House Government Operations Subcommittee on Legislation and National Security reported, "The Patriot missile system was not the spectacular success in the Persian Gulf War that the American public was led to believe. There is little evidence to prove that the Patriot hit more than a few Scud missiles launched by Iraq during the Gulf War, and there are some doubts about even these engagements. The public and the Congress were misled by definitive statements of success issued by administration and Raytheon representatives during and after the war."

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Just because it is PMT, dosen't mean they cost less.

But I wasn't trying to hit little missiles was I? No! PAC-2's are ineffective against missiles. PAC-3's are ineffective against bombers. PAC-2's are effective against bombers. PAC-3's are effective against missiles. Get the picture? I used PAC-2's against bombers. Your SCUD article doesn't apply, genius!

Ah.

EDIT: Well that was my bad then.

Just because it is PMT, dosen't mean they cost less.

Actually if the vehicles and equipment in question have been produced for quite a while, then it is safe to assume that the process of manufacturing said items would of become more efficient, thus cheaper.

A T-64 Tank built when it first came out would cost somewhere upwards of 2 Million to 3 Million Dollars, as it was Top-Of Line back then. A T-64 made today, which they still are, costs alot less then it did it the 60s and 70s.

Actually if the vehicles and equipment in question have been produced for quite a while, then it is safe to assume that the process of manufacturing said items would of become more efficient, thus cheaper.

A T-64 Tank built when it first came out would cost somewhere upwards of 2 Million to 3 Million Dollars, as it was Top-Of Line back then. A T-64 made today, which they still are, costs alot less then it did it the 60s and 70s.


Yes, but there isn't a 37-47 year gap between the Leopard 2 A6 and today.

This world is dying off pretty quickly...

Yes, but there isn't a 37-47 year gap between the Leopard 2 A6 and today.

In the twenty-first century, advancements happen in leaps and bounds, not in the sputters of the 60s and 70s. Trust me, the 2A6 is not a young tank. It's almost 10 years old.

This world is dying off pretty quickly...

I disagree. When AB gets back, he'll figure something out.

Bye Kampf :( Sorry for not helping you earlier and all, but, it was best for me to remain neutral ICly - and to be honest, I never thought you'd resign or Carlo's invasion would even work due to your resistance.

Bye, Kampf too, you were going to be a good ally, ah well, OOC'ly our nation's are good friend's anyway. I will miss ya in EFJ!

Sorry to see you go. I was looking forward to Rping with you, and again sorry about the betrayal but as you point out it wasn't an OOC move. Ah well maybe in the future.

Sorry you are leaving Kampfers.

On another note, can I assume my claim is OK and start actually doing stuff? For reference, Egypt, Ethiopia, Malaysia, Australia, Eritrea, Sudan.a

Sorry you are leaving Kampfers.

On another note, can I assume my claim is OK and start actually doing stuff? For reference, Egypt, Ethiopia, Malaysia, Australia, Eritrea, Sudan.a

Mayalasia's already claimed.

Sorry Kampf...

This is the second time this has happened this Earth....I'm on the winning side of a war, and the other side suddenly just gives up and leaves. I always feel sad since I can never get any good RPing done.

Sorry to see you go, Kampf. Good luck wherever else you go. Futuris, you have a TG.

Sorry to see you go, Kampf. Good luck wherever else you go. Futuris, you have a TG.

Replied.

@Shakal: Once you get ahold of the situation, well... :(

Hi, i was wondering if i could join. and i would like some help setting up my country and all.

i claim:

Nigeria
Lebanon
Australia
Bhutan
Jamaica
Cayman Islands

Please reply quickly as i have today and tomorrow to set this up

Hi, i was wondering if i could join. and i would like some help setting up my country and all.

i claim:

Nigeria
Lebanon
Australia
Bhutan
Jamaica
Cayman Islands

Please reply quickly as i have today and tomorrow to set this up

I have Jamaica pretty much (in negotiations with them right now), and I think there was already someone here trying to claim Nigeria and Australia... could be wrong though.

Okay, well i just wanna get approved 1st and then we can sort this out cuz i'm kinda new to this

how about this:

Nigeria (for now)
Australia (for now)
Lebanon
Iraq
Cayman Islands

Okay, well i just wanna get approved 1st and then we can sort this out cuz i'm kinda new to this

how about this:

Nigeria (for now)
Australia (for now)
Lebanon
Iraq
Cayman Islands

Iraq will probably be a problem too... I know, we're being picky, but someone else also wanted that one and it's already going to someone else who went through a lot of negotiations, they just didn't have it claimed yet.

Ok. i have absolutely no clue how to do this so i'll just be

nigeria
australia
caymans
lebanon

for right now

Okay, well i just wanna get approved 1st and then we can sort this out cuz i'm kinda new to this

how about this:

Nigeria (for now)
Australia (for now)
Lebanon
Iraq
Cayman Islands

Nigeria: Open
Austrailia: I think someone claimed it (New Manth)
Lebanon: Open unless Drosk is doing something there.
Iraq: Part of Animarnia
Caymans: Open

I don't undestand why everyone has these wierd spread out claims.

How about you do this. Claim Nigeria. It is class 1, so you get five more picks. Pick some African ones near it. That way you might aactually have a chance with military and stuff if anyon messes with you instead of taking weeks to fly your armies across the world to the attacked territory.

Ok. i have absolutely no clue how to do this so i'll just be

nigeria
australia
caymans
lebanon

for right now

You're doing it right, don't worry. You're just asking for countries that have already been claimed, negotiated for, or asked for. Go back through a few pages in this thread and read some of the convos, it'll help you out some. Also, Africa is wide open... you can be Drosk's new best friend.

Well, i was just looking at the map.... this is getting confusing :confused:. do you have a list of unclaimed countries?

Well, i was just looking at the map.... this is getting confusing :confused:. do you have a list of unclaimed countries?

Not as of yet but I will make one right now. It is rather confusing since our main mod who approves everything is away but the map mod is here, a list will be coming shortly.

Okay thanks.

Look at the map on the front. The nation that has Nigeria and Niger, the nation that has Egypt, and the nation that is Mali and Mauritania no longer exist. They are open, as are the grays around them. Start picking.

And BTW, since me and Futuris are Vice Mods, we can approve people, so If we both agree on his claim, then we can approve him.

Well, i was just looking at the map.... this is getting confusing :confused:. do you have a list of unclaimed countries?

Almost all the African countries are open (except for Schroeder Corp. in RL South African area and Drosk in Somalia, etc), Carribbean islands except Jamaica are pretty much open... you'll have to deal with me, Granate, Caliz, and others who have interests there though... your best bet would be what Cand said... grab Nigeria and five surrounding african countries. Challenge? Yes. Impossible? Nope, not as long as you are patients and don't go blasting wars your first few days. Diplomacy will be your friend.

Okay, I'll take Egypt, Nigeria, Libya, Morocco, Liberia, and Kenya.

If you pick the African nations then I can sell you everything from Manufactured Goods to Weapons and Mercenaries (You'll find out about my deadly business later on...) so you won't be in the dust. The only thing you would have to do is let me open up mines and factories in your country which helps you out anyways.

Okay, so i negotiate for them or something?

Okay, I'll take Egypt, Nigeria, Libya, Morocco, Liberia, and Kenya.

Libya is calimed. Like I said before, just take like Nigeria, Niger, and four other coastal African nations of somethiong that touch each other. It is easier for you to do it that way. Otherwise you end up like Drosk if you go to war where it is impossible to defend yourself well and you end up becoming a protectorate.

Okay, so i negotiate for them or something?

Once your claim is approved and you make your factbook, that's when you can start negotiations and such.

OK, doesn't look like I have much of a choice... which is OK

But when do you think my claim will be approved, because i'm going on vacation and i don't think i can get internet.... does Amazonian Beasts do it or...

OK, doesn't look like I have much of a choice... which is OK

Just trust us. We saw what happened to the people who did things that you planned on doing when you came. They quit, so we are trying to save you from their mistakes.

But when do you think my claim will be approved, because i'm going on vacation and i don't think i can get internet.... does Amazonian Beasts do it or...

Tell the final claim to me and I can approve it.

But when do you think my claim will be approved, because i'm going on vacation and i don't think i can get internet.... does Amazonian Beasts do it or...

He'll approve it, but just let them know you'll be on vacation and for how long, and they'll make sure no one messes with your claim until you return, probably.

Ok. sounds good. :)

He'll approve it, but just let them know you'll be on vacation and for how long, and they'll make sure no one messes with your claim until you return, probably.

Well, I'll be on vacation until July 16 starting Saturday.

Tell the final claim to me and I can approve it.


I think it'll be Egypt, Nigeria, Libya, Morocco, Liberia, and Kenya, like before.

Well, I'll be on vacation until July 16 starting Saturday.




I think it'll be Egypt, Nigeria, Libya, Morocco, Liberia, and Kenya, like before.

Libya is claimed, sorry. Maybe go with Niger instead?